23/10/2017

:00:09. > :00:10.Hello, it's Monday, it's nine o'clock, I'm Chloe Tilley

:00:11. > :00:13.in for Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.

:00:14. > :00:15.Our top story today - from today drivers of older,

:00:16. > :00:18.more polluting vehicles will have to pay almost twice as much

:00:19. > :00:31.We can either take action to clean up fears that your children have

:00:32. > :00:34.underdeveloped and your adults suffer strokes and asthma, we do

:00:35. > :00:36.nothing which will make things worse.

:00:37. > :00:37.Critics say it will "disproportionately penalise

:00:38. > :00:40.London's poorest drivers" but those in favour say it's the only way to

:00:41. > :00:43.Your thoughts very welcome as always.

:00:44. > :00:47.Also on the programme, we've discovered that 95% of TV ads

:00:48. > :00:49.during live UK football matches feature at least one

:00:50. > :00:58.gambling advert, with some games being dominated by betting ads.

:00:59. > :01:05.The figures are hugely negative for many people my age group. It is

:01:06. > :01:08.almost seen as the thing to do. That have to put a bet on to kind of get

:01:09. > :01:09.something out of football. So is there any link

:01:10. > :01:11.between these ads Plus, a government minister says

:01:12. > :01:16.the "only way" to deal with British IS fighters

:01:17. > :01:18.in Syria is "in almost every case" to kill them.

:01:19. > :01:53.Is he right? In around half an hour's time

:01:54. > :01:57.the Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson is going to make a speech

:01:58. > :02:00.about North Korea. He's expected to say diplomacy

:02:01. > :02:02.and dialogue are the way forward. Do get in touch on all the stories

:02:03. > :02:07.we're talking about this morning. if you text, you will be charged

:02:08. > :02:11.at the standard network rate. From today, owners of

:02:12. > :02:13.older, dirtier vehicles will have to pay an extra ?10

:02:14. > :02:16.to drive in central London. The scheme, known as the T-charge,

:02:17. > :02:19.is designed to reduce air pollution and has been described

:02:20. > :02:21.as the toughest emmission standard The move has been welcomed

:02:22. > :02:25.by some health charities and environmental groups,

:02:26. > :02:45.although some say it The T-charge will be charged on top

:02:46. > :02:50.of the congestion charge up was introduced here a few years ago. The

:02:51. > :02:59.idea is to reduce pollution in the city. The London mea Sadiq Khan has

:03:00. > :03:01.improving air quality as 30, particularly for children who have

:03:02. > :03:06.been hit hard by the pollution in the city at the moment. In terms of

:03:07. > :03:12.how it works, this is a ?10 daily charge, so to find if your vehicle

:03:13. > :03:16.was one has to pay this charge, you can go to the Transport for London

:03:17. > :03:22.website and get the details. The rough rules around this is because

:03:23. > :03:27.vehicles registered before 2006, so it is the older, more polluting

:03:28. > :03:34.vehicles that will have to pay this ?10 daily charge. That charges for

:03:35. > :03:39.weekdays between 7am and 6pm and it is expected to impact something like

:03:40. > :03:44.34,000 cars. If you do not pay the charge, if you come into the area

:03:45. > :03:50.and do not pay it, you could be hit with a penalty charge notice of

:03:51. > :03:55.?130. This ?10 charge is important to pay if you have a vehicle that is

:03:56. > :03:58.not meeting these new emission standards. Lots of business people

:03:59. > :04:02.wonder what it is going to mean for them. I was talking to the

:04:03. > :04:05.Federation of Small Businesses who say lots of companies will not be

:04:06. > :04:08.aware of this new charging system coming in so they are wondering

:04:09. > :04:11.whether they are vehicles are in the right spec for this, whether they

:04:12. > :04:16.will have to pay this charge and how much it will mean in total.

:04:17. > :04:19.Rebecca is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

:04:20. > :04:23.The UK's biggest business lobby groups - including the Insitute

:04:24. > :04:26.of Directors and CBI - are calling for an urgent Brexit

:04:27. > :04:28.transition deal to safeguard jobs and investment.

:04:29. > :04:33.In a joint letter due to be sent to the Brexit Secretary,

:04:34. > :04:36.David Davis, in the coming days, the groups warn

:04:37. > :04:40.A government spokesman says the talks

:04:41. > :04:42."are making real, tangible progress".

:04:43. > :04:49.Our political correspondent Alex Forsyth is at Westminster.

:04:50. > :04:56.Tell us more about what is in this letter, Alex. This comes from five

:04:57. > :05:00.influential business groups. They are effectively saying that

:05:01. > :05:03.uncertainty over Brexit can have damaging consequences for investment

:05:04. > :05:09.and trade. They want a commitment to the two-year transition period after

:05:10. > :05:12.the Brittney Reese the EU effectively on the same terms as

:05:13. > :05:16.now, and that is what the government is aiming for but the other 27 EU

:05:17. > :05:21.leaders were not committed until things like the financial settlement

:05:22. > :05:24.are dealt with, which is proving tricky. Businesses are urging the

:05:25. > :05:29.Prime Minister to get on with this but to some degree she's at the

:05:30. > :05:34.mercy of the other EU 27 before they can start talking about trade. They

:05:35. > :05:38.have agreed to talk about it internally but those formal

:05:39. > :05:42.negotiations have yet to start. The Prime Minister will be updating MPs

:05:43. > :05:46.later on the current negotiations on Brexit. Do we know what she is

:05:47. > :05:49.likely say? You can imagine she will give a fairly upbeat assessment of

:05:50. > :05:57.what has happened but the backdrop to this, recent report from a German

:05:58. > :05:58.newspaper about a dinner between the Prime Minister, Jean-Claude Juncker,

:05:59. > :06:05.and the EU chief negotiator, Michel Barnier. Allegedly leaked report of

:06:06. > :06:07.that said that Jean-Claude Juncker thought that Theresa May looked

:06:08. > :06:11.tired and anxious throughout and that she was asking EU leaders for

:06:12. > :06:14.help because of the domestic political pressure she faces at home

:06:15. > :06:19.with all of the differing views on Brexit. This morning, the senior

:06:20. > :06:23.aide to Jean Todt Junker has denied leaking that the Pope and denied

:06:24. > :06:27.that he ever said it. He says that this is trying to undermine the EU

:06:28. > :06:34.side and damage negotiations. This programme has learnt

:06:35. > :06:36.that the government is considering during football matches.

:06:37. > :06:40.on gambling adverts on TV One in five of the commercials

:06:41. > :06:42.broadcast across 25 matches rising to more than one

:06:43. > :06:47.in three in some games. A report on the subject is expected

:06:48. > :06:50.as early as next week. And Chloe will have much more

:06:51. > :06:56.on this story shortly. A government minister has said has

:06:57. > :06:58.said British extremists who've gone to fight with the Islamic State

:06:59. > :07:05.group in Syria will have to be be killed, "in almost every case",

:07:06. > :07:07.because of the threat for International Development,

:07:08. > :07:13.at Foreign Office and the Department said there were difficult

:07:14. > :07:17.moral issues involved. He's told the BBC that British

:07:18. > :07:21.recruits to IS had "essentially moved away from any kind

:07:22. > :07:27.of allegiance" towards the UK. Patients are being encouraged to go

:07:28. > :07:30.home and rest in order to recover from some illnesses,

:07:31. > :07:31.rather than be prescribed The advice is part of a campaign

:07:32. > :07:37.by Public Health England aimed at limiting the spread

:07:38. > :07:40.of drug-resistant super-bugs. Our health correspondent,

:07:41. > :07:46.James Gallagher reports. Bacteria, like these E-coli,

:07:47. > :07:48.are getting harder to treat as they evolve ways

:07:49. > :07:54.to resist antibiotics. This is where the most serious

:07:55. > :07:57.infections come for analysis and the staff at these

:07:58. > :08:00.Public Health England laboratories admit they're worried about growing

:08:01. > :08:04.levels of antibiotic resistance. My lab looks for resistance

:08:05. > :08:08.to the most powerful If go back to 2005 to 2007,

:08:09. > :08:19.we were seeing these bacteria Last year we confirmed

:08:20. > :08:22.these resistant bacteria Drug resistant infections

:08:23. > :08:27.are a growing problem. 5,000 people were killed by such

:08:28. > :08:33.infections last year. If you take E-coli in the blood

:08:34. > :08:36.stream, now four in ten cases can't be treated

:08:37. > :08:42.with the most common antibiotics. # Antibiotics, we're

:08:43. > :08:44.wonderful pills... Using too many antibiotics

:08:45. > :08:47.increases drug resistance. This TV campaign is being launched

:08:48. > :08:51.to tell people they'll not be given The majority of us will get

:08:52. > :08:57.infections from time to time and we will recover

:08:58. > :09:01.because of our own immunity. The fact is if you take

:09:02. > :09:05.an antibiotic when you don't need it then you are more likely

:09:06. > :09:07.to have an infection that the antibiotics then don't work

:09:08. > :09:10.for over the coming months. Health officials say

:09:11. > :09:17.we all have a part to play in preventing the rise

:09:18. > :09:25.of antibiotic resistance. From today, hospitals in England

:09:26. > :09:28.will be required to charge up-front fees to foreign patients

:09:29. > :09:30.who receive non-emergency care. The move is part of attempts

:09:31. > :09:33.by the Government to crack down But the British Medical Association

:09:34. > :09:38.has warned of the risk of confusion and an extra administrative

:09:39. > :09:44.burden for trusts. Police in Warwickshire

:09:45. > :09:47.are questioning a man arrested over the four-hour hostage

:09:48. > :09:49.situation at a bowling alley Armed officers stormed

:09:50. > :09:53.the building in Bermuda Park, where two people were allegedly

:09:54. > :09:56.held at gunpoint. No-one was injured and

:09:57. > :09:58.police say the incident A group of MPs has today launched

:09:59. > :10:15.an inquiry into so called "pop-up" brothels -

:10:16. > :10:17.that's where one or more sex workers set up in residential or holiday

:10:18. > :10:20.premises for a short period. It follows a huge increase

:10:21. > :10:22.in their prevalence, and accusations that they are a hotbed for criminal

:10:23. > :10:25.and human trafficking. Sex work campaigners said women have

:10:26. > :10:28.had to resort to this after a number of well-established brothels

:10:29. > :10:30.were raided and subsequently closed, A British diver, who was stalked

:10:31. > :10:37.by a giant tiger shark off the coast of western Australia,

:10:38. > :10:41.has said he's lucky to be alive. John Craig, from Sunderland,

:10:42. > :10:46.became separated from his boat and was forced to swim several miles

:10:47. > :10:52.to shore as it pursued him. I just kept my head in the water,

:10:53. > :10:55.watched what the big tiger shark was doing,

:10:56. > :10:57.and it kept coming back towards me, it would circle me,

:10:58. > :11:02.and kind of dart in. I just had to use my spear gun

:11:03. > :11:06.to try and fend it off, and try and keep it as a safe

:11:07. > :11:09.distance, and then I knew the boat wasn't coming back, so my only

:11:10. > :11:12.option was to swim to shore. I knew it was, you know,

:11:13. > :11:16.seven-and-a-half kilometres to get to the beach,

:11:17. > :11:18.and that's an awful long swim Doctor Who's first female

:11:19. > :11:24.Time Lord will be joined Jodie Whittaker, who takes over

:11:25. > :11:31.as the thirteenth Doctor next year, will be joined by new cast regulars

:11:32. > :11:34.Bradley Walsh, Bradley Walsh has said he's looking

:11:35. > :11:41.forward to being part of the show some 50 years after first

:11:42. > :11:45.becoming a fan. A video has emerged

:11:46. > :11:50.of the French President's dog making his presence known

:11:51. > :11:53.at the Elysee Palace. Emmanuel Macron was talking

:11:54. > :11:55.with three junior members of his government,

:11:56. > :11:58.when the Labrador-griffin cross, called Nemo, began urinating on one

:11:59. > :12:02.of the esteemed fireplaces. The incident was captured

:12:03. > :12:09.by a French TV station. Nemo also appeared in Mr Macron's

:12:10. > :12:12.entourage back in August - continuing a tradition

:12:13. > :12:13.of French Presidents That's a summary of the latest BBC

:12:14. > :12:23.News - more at 9.30am. I think that eats my cat bringing in

:12:24. > :12:42.a dead squirrel the other day! We fight this message on gambling

:12:43. > :12:48.from Norma. I'm surprised that it is allowed during the day. They are

:12:49. > :12:51.only allowed during live sport. We will be getting into that issue

:12:52. > :12:59.throughout the morning. You can get in touch throughout the programme

:13:00. > :13:04.using the hash tag #victorialive. Text will be charge that the

:13:05. > :13:09.standard network rate. Let's get some sport now. Let's talk about

:13:10. > :13:15.Lewis Hamilton. Touching distance now that Formula 1 drivers

:13:16. > :13:18.championship. Yes, exactly. Incredible when you consider the

:13:19. > :13:23.poor start that he had to the season. But he is edging closer to

:13:24. > :13:27.that fourth world title. A really impressive win at the US Grand Prix

:13:28. > :13:32.at the weekend. He had to fight for it. He was overtaken at the start of

:13:33. > :13:37.the race by his title rival Sebastian Vettel. Hamilton, not to

:13:38. > :13:41.be outdone, overtook again on lap six and from there, never looked

:13:42. > :13:46.back. Big celebrations from him. Quite a few people in the crowd,

:13:47. > :13:50.including a certain you saying belt, two of the fastest men in their

:13:51. > :13:54.respective sports, there, celebrating. Let's hear from Lewis

:13:55. > :13:58.Hamilton now. It has been an incredible year, so far. I enjoyed

:13:59. > :14:03.that in the car. I did not expect to have the pace that we had on

:14:04. > :14:08.Sebastian this year, today, but the car felt fantastic, we had the right

:14:09. > :14:14.balance at the start. Three more to go, three more to win. Let's show

:14:15. > :14:19.why he's in such a dominant position. These stats are very

:14:20. > :14:22.telling. Not only has he had more wins and more podium places but he's

:14:23. > :14:27.been in more positions that are awarded points than Sebastian Vettel

:14:28. > :14:31.and four Sebastian Vettel in the red, he had two retirements, and you

:14:32. > :14:34.wonder how costly those will have been for him, early in the year.

:14:35. > :14:41.Hamilton needs just a top five finish in Mexico next weekend for a

:14:42. > :14:45.fourth world title, Chloe. Let's talk about the Premier League. A

:14:46. > :14:50.great day for the North London sides, not so great for Merseyside

:14:51. > :14:55.sites. Pretty much advantage London after a massively heavy defeat for

:14:56. > :15:01.Everton and Liverpool. Everton boss Ronald Kuhlman was under pressure

:15:02. > :15:07.already before even going into this match. After a 5-2 loss, you could

:15:08. > :15:11.see at full-time, the fans, board members, Ronald Coman himself

:15:12. > :15:16.looking utterly deflated. No wins in five matches for them, meaning they

:15:17. > :15:20.drop into the bottom three. He gave a very honest assessment after the

:15:21. > :15:24.game. He said that it is not good enough and that the club expects

:15:25. > :15:30.better. And for Liverpool, another heavy defeat. They went down 4-1 to

:15:31. > :15:36.Spurs. A good day for Tottenham and their star man, Harry Kane, grabbing

:15:37. > :15:40.two goes in front of 80,000 fans at Wembley. Liverpool's defensive

:15:41. > :15:46.problems have been an issue all season and were therefore see. The

:15:47. > :15:48.Reds boss Jurgen Klopp was very critical of his players and said he

:15:49. > :15:51.could have done a better job himself. We will hear from both of

:15:52. > :15:53.those managers when I returned with the rest of the sport at ten

:15:54. > :15:57.o'clock. 95% of TV ads during live UK

:15:58. > :16:00.football matches feature at least one gambling advert,

:16:01. > :16:01.this programme has found. One in five of the commercials

:16:02. > :16:04.broadcast across 25 matches were for betting firms,

:16:05. > :16:06.rising to more than one The government's considering

:16:07. > :16:10.whether new restrictions are needed, with a report expected as early

:16:11. > :16:24.as this week. What is you found out? Thfr is

:16:25. > :16:30.manager the Government has been looking into for a while. As far as

:16:31. > :16:35.those adverts are concerned there is a rule they won't be shown before

:16:36. > :16:39.9pm, before the watershed in the evening but there is an exception,

:16:40. > :16:42.that is for live sporting events, almost every football match shown in

:16:43. > :16:46.this country is going to be before 9pm. In other countries Australia

:16:47. > :16:50.for example they have banned this, they have said it is not allowed the

:16:51. > :16:52.live event, the question for the Government is should they follow

:16:53. > :16:57.suit and do the same thing? Let's think fast and

:16:58. > :16:58.act faster in play. You can watch it and you can

:16:59. > :17:02.get involved in it. The betting industry and the way it

:17:03. > :17:05.sells itself has changed radically New research for this programme has

:17:06. > :17:12.found adverts like these now Making up one in every three

:17:13. > :17:19.show means some games. There is growing pressure

:17:20. > :17:23.on the government to follow other I think almost betting has

:17:24. > :17:38.become part of the social Whether online or in store,

:17:39. > :17:47.it's almost a normal thing to do. When he was a teenager

:17:48. > :17:51.he started gambling At one point he was spending

:17:52. > :17:58.a couple of hundred pounds a week. Any spare money that I had

:17:59. > :18:01.was spent on gambling. Two weeks you would be

:18:02. > :18:03.losing, but you would hope The number of problem gamblers has

:18:04. > :18:09.remained fairly stable over the last few years,

:18:10. > :18:11.with around two million The latest stats though show

:18:12. > :18:14.if you're under 35 years old, you're far more likely

:18:15. > :18:20.to get in trouble. It has swamped the whole

:18:21. > :18:28.Premier League. It's trying to get these bets placed

:18:29. > :18:30.as quickly as possible. I think for many people of my age

:18:31. > :18:38.group, it is almost seen That you have to put

:18:39. > :18:43.a bet on to kind of get Ten years ago, the Labour Government

:18:44. > :18:46.let bookies advertise There was and still is

:18:47. > :18:55.an agreement not to show ads There is an exception though,

:18:56. > :18:58.in live sporting events This is all about targeting

:18:59. > :19:04.the new generations. The generations that don't go

:19:05. > :19:06.into the old-fashioned bookies, who wouldn't know

:19:07. > :19:17.what one is really. We looked at 25 games shown on TV

:19:18. > :19:21.this season from the build up That's total of 1,324 commercials

:19:22. > :19:24.and sponsorship indents. Of those 272 were for betting ads,

:19:25. > :19:29.that's one in every five. For some games sponsored by betting

:19:30. > :19:32.firms, the rate was even higher, take a recent Everton match,

:19:33. > :19:34.40% of the adverts Or Scotland's match in Slovakia

:19:35. > :19:44.again, 37% of the commercials It's definitely about brand

:19:45. > :19:53.building and getting as many customers as possible,

:19:54. > :19:55.but the main thing is getting people to bet now and this is all about,

:19:56. > :20:00.here's a chance, bet on it now. Last year gambling firms spent

:20:01. > :20:05.?150 million on TV ads, that's up sharply over

:20:06. > :20:07.the last four years. A single advert for premiership

:20:08. > :20:08.football is thought The concern from campaigners

:20:09. > :20:21.is that this makes betting seem too normal especially amongst the next

:20:22. > :20:23.generation of potential customers. These 17-year-olds are training

:20:24. > :20:26.on a cold night in South London. We asked them what gambling brands

:20:27. > :20:29.they associate with the game. I would say like about five years

:20:30. > :20:46.ago, there weren't really much. I think now there seems

:20:47. > :20:49.to be quite a lot more. There is a game next week

:20:50. > :20:52.and adverts would be on like for betting

:20:53. > :20:58.president week before. That's the whole point to urge

:20:59. > :21:04.you, to make you feel If you were going to name one

:21:05. > :21:10.of type of advertiser associated with football,

:21:11. > :21:12.would it be cars, alcohol, gambling? Which is the one that

:21:13. > :21:17.first comes to mind? It's always gambling

:21:18. > :21:21.because you just have it around and it just

:21:22. > :21:24.catches your eye, yeah. The Government is now under

:21:25. > :21:26.pressure to do more on this. At a recent debate in the House

:21:27. > :21:29.of Lords, former Spurs chairman They have recently started to add

:21:30. > :21:35.at the end of the advert, Well, My Lords these couple

:21:36. > :21:44.of words are pathetic. It is my personal belief

:21:45. > :21:48.that it is these adverts that are the major culprits who induce

:21:49. > :21:51.young people to gamble. Frankly, these adverts are too

:21:52. > :21:59.clever, and too luring. Other countries have

:22:00. > :22:00.been taking action. Earlier this year Australia banned

:22:01. > :22:03.all gambling ads in live sport before the watershed and in Europe,

:22:04. > :22:05.Belgium has just The betting industry says

:22:06. > :22:13.there is no evidence that more adverts leads

:22:14. > :22:15.to more problem gambling. Is there a danger that this has just

:22:16. > :22:18.gone a bit too far now? You look at the number of adverts,

:22:19. > :22:21.this wasn't the case Yes, it is a subjective

:22:22. > :22:29.decision, isn't it? There is an interesting question

:22:30. > :22:33.there about whether the current Are they causing harm

:22:34. > :22:41.or is it subjective? People don't like them

:22:42. > :22:43.and there is even people in the gambling industry

:22:44. > :22:45.to feel that way. We have a major review

:22:46. > :22:48.under way at the moment, It's a great opportunity to look

:22:49. > :22:52.at all these issues. Are you comfortable with under-18s

:22:53. > :22:54.seeing lots of these adverts? Not comfortable with it,

:22:55. > :22:56.you by I it's inevitable and you can't look at these

:22:57. > :22:58.adverts in isolation. Gambling is all around us in this

:22:59. > :23:01.society and has been That's what critics say thought that

:23:02. > :23:05.all the adverts normalise gambling. They will make under-18s think

:23:06. > :23:08.it is just part of sport? I think that debate

:23:09. > :23:10.is probably passed. The reality is gambling

:23:11. > :23:13.is normalised and if you look at why, it was probably

:23:14. > :23:15.the introduction of It changed the whole world in terms

:23:16. > :23:19.of gambling you cans the perception and when you look at underage

:23:20. > :23:21.gambling thankfully It's back to business

:23:22. > :23:30.in the Premier League. The thing is, a TV advertising ban

:23:31. > :23:33.can only do so much. Take the BBC's own programme,

:23:34. > :23:35.Match Of The Day. No commercials maybe, but a study

:23:36. > :23:38.by Goldsmith's University found over 250 separate gambling adverts

:23:39. > :23:40.on screen - mostly It's Burnley nil,

:23:41. > :23:53.West Ham United one. And if the Government does clamp

:23:54. > :23:55.down on TV commercials, some think more spending could just

:23:56. > :23:58.switch to the internet Matt is now getting help

:23:59. > :24:05.for his problem and has excluded himself from most

:24:06. > :24:07.of the sites and apps. Like other people we've spoken to,

:24:08. > :24:09.he thinks a blanket ban He'd just like to see

:24:10. > :24:17.fewer of them on screen. I personally think the most sensible

:24:18. > :24:19.is to limit the amount I think to stop it completely

:24:20. > :24:22.is probably irrational, This is all likely to come

:24:23. > :24:34.to a head this autumn. A major government review

:24:35. > :24:37.of the gambling sector is expected soon and greater restrictions

:24:38. > :24:39.on advertising are Jim, what do we think

:24:40. > :24:56.the Government is planning to do? It has been a long time coming this

:24:57. > :25:01.review. We expect it as possibly as later this week. A spokesman for the

:25:02. > :25:05.Department of Culture, Media and Sport which is in charge, said we

:25:06. > :25:08.have been clear that we expect the gambling sector to protect players

:25:09. > :25:11.an help them stay in control of their gambling, but there is clearly

:25:12. > :25:15.more work that is needed in this area. Now that sound strong to me,

:25:16. > :25:20.like there is some sort of change coming. When you speak to people in

:25:21. > :25:25.the tri, they sort of accept they will be more regulations on adverts,

:25:26. > :25:30.the question is how far will the Government go? Will it copy what has

:25:31. > :25:34.been done in Australia? There is likely to be consultation before any

:25:35. > :25:38.final decision is made. It comes down to how much damage these

:25:39. > :25:43.adverts are doing? It does, what the industry says there is no evidence

:25:44. > :25:48.that these ads are leading to increased levels of problem

:25:49. > :25:51.gambling, part of the issue is the figure, so the latest statistics we

:25:52. > :25:55.on this from the Gambling Commission, they were published back

:25:56. > :26:00.in August, showing relatively stable level of problem gambling in this

:26:01. > :26:03.country, the thing is they are using figures from back in 2015, that is

:26:04. > :26:07.how they calculated it. This industry is moving so quickly, with

:26:08. > :26:13.technological change, more betting on the phone and adverts have change

:26:14. > :26:16.a lot. A lot of people are saying how relevant are these statistics?

:26:17. > :26:20.It can cause some people real problem, wanted to leave you with an

:26:21. > :26:24.e-mail we got from a viewer a couple of weeks ago, it is one reason we

:26:25. > :26:28.decided to make the film. We won't use his name. He said I discovered

:26:29. > :26:35.my son's gambling problem in sixth form. He has taken my debit card and

:26:36. > :26:39.used it to place bets on matches. They are absolutely polluted with

:26:40. > :26:44.gambling adverts, aimed at vulnerable young people. My son, his

:26:45. > :26:47.son, did win a couple of times but ultimately lost it all. Hopefully

:26:48. > :26:51.the Government will wake up and realise the football world needs to

:26:52. > :26:55.clean its act up and distance itself from gambling. Thank you. I know

:26:56. > :27:00.some comments are coming in, the internet is failing me. I will read

:27:01. > :27:04.them when they come in. We can take to Jo Steven, a member of the

:27:05. > :27:09.digital culture, media an sport committee. Labour want to see a ban

:27:10. > :27:13.on gambling firms from advertising on football shirt, so first of all,

:27:14. > :27:18.if you watch any football match, any live football match, there so many

:27:19. > :27:22.gambling advert, is your view is that it there are too many It has

:27:23. > :27:27.reached saturation level. I watch a lot of football, I can't think of

:27:28. > :27:30.any other advertisers that target live football game in the the way

:27:31. > :27:34.the betting industry does. I do think it has got to a point where is

:27:35. > :27:39.so much of it, I welcome the fact that the Government are going to

:27:40. > :27:44.publish their review and I hope there stringent measureness o there.

:27:45. > :27:49.My internet has worked. James says betting adverts are prevalent with

:27:50. > :27:52.golf coverage too, two out of three are gambling adverts and row can

:27:53. > :27:55.have five ad breaks in an hour. Alcohol is shown in adverts

:27:56. > :27:59.throughout the day, alcohol is just or more dangerous than gambling so

:28:00. > :28:04.why is it we are focussing on gambling, is that fair? You would

:28:05. > :28:08.make a point about alcohol, about gambling, tobacco as well, but what

:28:09. > :28:13.we have seen is that there is a growth in problem gamblers over the

:28:14. > :28:19.last few years so there are nearly 500,000 problem gambler bler in the

:28:20. > :28:24.country. Two million who gamble regularly who are at risk, and it is

:28:25. > :28:27.the money that is being spent on advertising is growing massively

:28:28. > :28:30.year on year, the betting industry wouldn't be putting that money into

:28:31. > :28:34.advertising if they didn't think it was going to increase their revenue.

:28:35. > :28:38.It is worth remembering of course, it was the Labour Government under

:28:39. > :28:41.Tony Blair that liberalised the gambling laws around between years

:28:42. > :28:45.ago, do you think it was thought through enough? I think that the

:28:46. > :28:54.consequences may be weren't, but we would like to see, we are very clear

:28:55. > :28:59.we would like to see a ban on betting company sponsorship in live

:29:00. > :29:03.coverage and on shirts. It is the shirt sponsorship, it is the

:29:04. > :29:07.hoardings round the ground, how many kids are watching live football? You

:29:08. > :29:11.know, there are millions of people watching live football, every week,

:29:12. > :29:16.and this saturation of the adverts and the hoardings and seeing the

:29:17. > :29:24.logos, it is happening every single week. As we saw in that report,

:29:25. > :29:27.everyone on Match of the Day we see so many references inadvertently to

:29:28. > :29:32.betting company, do you think Labour got it wrong? Ten years ago when

:29:33. > :29:37.Tony Blair said let us liberalise the gambling law, you said you

:29:38. > :29:41.didn't foe foresee it? You can argue we did get it wronging but we would

:29:42. > :29:47.like to have the opportunity to put it right if we get back in

:29:48. > :29:52.Government. This is a wide measure of agreement cross-party agreement.

:29:53. > :29:56.I am a member of the group on fixed odd betting terminals where we have

:29:57. > :30:03.done research on those. Explain watching a what they are? These are

:30:04. > :30:07.machines in betting shops, where you can bet up to ?100 every 20 second,

:30:08. > :30:12.they are described as the crack cocaine of gambling. People who have

:30:13. > :30:16.problems are spending more and more money and the social problems they

:30:17. > :30:22.cause are well documented, not just to individuals, job loss, crime,

:30:23. > :30:25.break down of families, and in the worst and most severe cases suicide,

:30:26. > :30:31.so there are problems across the industry, this is why row have seen

:30:32. > :30:34.other country like Australia and Belgian take radical steps to ban

:30:35. > :30:38.sponsorship and so this review by the Government is long overdue and

:30:39. > :30:42.the industry is moving very quickly, technology, you know, in 2007 we

:30:43. > :30:48.didn't really know what technology would bring to the gambling industry

:30:49. > :30:52.and to sponsorship and to advert, so now is the very good time for review

:30:53. > :31:00.and it is long overdue. Lots more comments coming in, if you want to

:31:01. > :31:00.get in industry is moving very quickly, "I

:31:01. > :31:08.: up with watching live sports on Sky and seeing adverts all the time.

:31:09. > :31:10.Sky makes money without having to rely on them." Sponsorship and to "I

:31:11. > :31:14.: up with watching live sports on Sky and seeing adverts all the time.

:31:15. > :31:17.Sky makes money without having to rely on them." Tony says "Thank grow

:31:18. > :31:18.for covering the ghastly ads. Go for the companies that advertise on

:31:19. > :31:24.football shirts and that his do "I : up with watching live sports on

:31:25. > :31:27.Sky and seeing adverts all the time. Sky makes money without having to

:31:28. > :31:29.rely on them." Tony says "Thank grow for covering the ghastly ads. Go for

:31:30. > :31:32.the companies that advertise on football shirts and that his do not

:31:33. > :31:34.support responsible gambling." "The gambling ads are a disgrace, I have

:31:35. > :31:36.watched young men throw hundreds away. The ads before and during the

:31:37. > :31:38.game bombard the network, encouraging outlandish gambling. I

:31:39. > :31:43.have seen men in tears the at full-time."

:31:44. > :31:51.Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson's speech on global security - live.

:31:52. > :31:57.He will be talking about the secretive state of North Korea. We

:31:58. > :32:01.will bring you his speech. And the German newspaper has published an

:32:02. > :32:10.account that Theresa May begged for help with Brexit during a dinner

:32:11. > :32:14.with the European Commission president. We will bring you the

:32:15. > :32:21.latest. Now get the latest headlines. From today, owners of

:32:22. > :32:26.older, more polluting vehicles will have to pay an extra ?10 to drive

:32:27. > :32:30.into Central London. The scheme known as the T-charge is designed to

:32:31. > :32:34.reduce air pollution and has been described as the toughest emissions

:32:35. > :32:39.standards of any major city award. The move has been welcomed by some

:32:40. > :32:43.health charities and environmental groups. Some say that it does not go

:32:44. > :32:47.far enough. The mirror of the capital has defended the policy. We

:32:48. > :32:51.have children in London whose lungs are underdeveloped because of the

:32:52. > :32:55.poor quality of the air. Adults suffering from a variety of

:32:56. > :32:59.conditions from asthma through to dementia and strokes, link to the

:33:00. > :33:04.poor quality air. So today's T-charge is the toughest vehicles

:33:05. > :33:08.emissions charge an award for a reason. We need to get the most

:33:09. > :33:15.polluting vehicles off the streets of London. The UK's biggest business

:33:16. > :33:18.lobby groups including the Institute of Directors and the CBI are calling

:33:19. > :33:23.for an urgent Brexit transition deal to safeguard jobs and investment. In

:33:24. > :33:27.a joint letter due to be sent to the Brexit secretary David Davis in the

:33:28. > :33:31.coming days, the groups warn that time is running out. A government

:33:32. > :33:36.spokesman said that the talks are making real, tangible progress. The

:33:37. > :33:39.Victoria Derbyshire programme has learned that the government is

:33:40. > :33:45.considering whether new restrictions are needed on gambling adverts on TV

:33:46. > :33:49.during football matches. One in five of the commercials broadcast across

:33:50. > :33:53.25 matches were for betting companies, rising to more than one

:33:54. > :33:58.in three on some games. A government report on the subject is expected as

:33:59. > :34:04.early as next week. Patients are being encouraged to go home and rest

:34:05. > :34:07.in order to recover from some illnesses rather than being

:34:08. > :34:11.prescribed unnecessary and. It's part of a new campaign by Public

:34:12. > :34:16.Health England. Health officials warn that the overuse of certain

:34:17. > :34:21.medicines has made some infections harder to treat by creating

:34:22. > :34:26.drug-resistant superbugs. Last year in England alone, more than 3000

:34:27. > :34:34.people died from such infections. That's the summary of the latest BBC

:34:35. > :34:38.News. Let's get some sport now with Jessica. Good morning. Mercedes

:34:39. > :34:41.driver Lewis Hamilton is on the brink of winning his fourth Formula

:34:42. > :34:46.1 drivers championship. He won big US Grand Prix yesterday ahead of his

:34:47. > :34:52.Ferrari rival. I am just handing back to you now, Chloe. We can go

:34:53. > :34:58.straight to Central London where the Foreign Secretary, Boris Johnson, is

:34:59. > :35:01.talking about North Korea. This is an example of the kind of

:35:02. > :35:05.infrastructure that you were just talking about. It is an

:35:06. > :35:14.inspirational structure that was created many, many decades ago, over

:35:15. > :35:18.100 years ago and has been beautifully upgraded and has stood

:35:19. > :35:23.the test of time. And that is what I want to talk about this morning,

:35:24. > :35:32.because all of you young, thrusting Chatham House types are looking far

:35:33. > :35:37.too dynamic to remember the early 1980s are indeed the late 1970s. Do

:35:38. > :35:42.you? I certainly do. I remember being chilled to the marrow, not

:35:43. > :35:48.just by the newspaper graphics, the hundreds of nuclear missiles trained

:35:49. > :35:54.in this country by the Warsaw Pact, and scarier still, the attempts by

:35:55. > :35:59.the UK Government to reassure the population, the pamphlets and films

:36:00. > :36:04.that told you such things as how to build a fallout shelter. You took

:36:05. > :36:08.several doors off of their hinges and prop them up diagonally against

:36:09. > :36:12.the wall, reinforced them with suitcases full of books and then you

:36:13. > :36:21.were told to tune into Radio 4, whether contingency plans would play

:36:22. > :36:25.endless reruns of Just A Minute. There was a time in British children

:36:26. > :36:30.knew all about four-minute warnings and the perils of radiation sickness

:36:31. > :36:40.and we all read a book called Where The Wind Blows by Raymond Briggs.

:36:41. > :36:44.Remember that? I remember it, as a teenager, about the horror of those

:36:45. > :36:50.weapons. For decades now, that threat has seemed to vanish. It went

:36:51. > :36:58.with the end of the Cold War. We don't want it back. And that is why

:36:59. > :37:04.people are watching with such interest, and the first stirrings of

:37:05. > :37:10.apprehension, the events in the Karim peninsular. Kim Jong-hyun has

:37:11. > :37:16.tested 19 Misano so far this year and has conducted four of the six

:37:17. > :37:24.nuclear tests ever carried out by that country. It is now widely

:37:25. > :37:31.accepted that Kim is coming closer to being able to launch a nuclear

:37:32. > :37:36.armed ICBM over the continental United States. I should stress this

:37:37. > :37:40.is not only prompted outrage in America but it is a prospect that

:37:41. > :37:44.has been unanimously consent -- condemned by Russia, China, the EU,

:37:45. > :37:52.to say nothing of the dismay of those quintessentially peaceable

:37:53. > :37:56.countries, Japan and South Korea. It is this increased tempo of nuclear

:37:57. > :38:03.testing, coupled with florid outbursts of verbal belligerence

:38:04. > :38:10.that have reawakened, even in this country, those forgotten fears. The

:38:11. > :38:14.public can be forgiven for genuinely starting to wonder whether the

:38:15. > :38:21.nuclear sword of Damocles is once again held over the head of a

:38:22. > :38:31.trembling human race. So now is perhaps a good moment in a calm and

:38:32. > :38:39.dispassionate way, to take stock. Before we reissue that old pamphlet

:38:40. > :38:43.called Protect And Survive, before we teach kids how to hide under

:38:44. > :38:50.desks and lay on stocks of baked beans and spam, let's look at the

:38:51. > :38:54.history of nuclear proliferation, how nuclear weapons have spread and

:38:55. > :39:04.how we have collectively sought to contain their spread. Back then, as

:39:05. > :39:06.now, most predictions were gloomy. And yet those gloomy predictions

:39:07. > :39:17.have been utterly confounded by events. America was of course the

:39:18. > :39:22.first to use the bomb in 1945. The Soviet Union detonated a device in

:39:23. > :39:27.1949, the UK next in 1952, the French did their testing in the

:39:28. > :39:31.Sahara and 1960. And at that point, the then American presidential

:39:32. > :39:40.candidate John F. Kennedy predicted that, by 1964, within only four

:39:41. > :39:47.years, there would be ten, 15 or 20 nations that would acquire nuclear

:39:48. > :39:59.weapons. As things have turned out, it is now almost 60 years after he

:40:00. > :40:02.issued his warning and, yes, the NPT has some notable non-signatories

:40:03. > :40:04.including India and Pakistan and yet the number of nuclear armed

:40:05. > :40:15.countries has yet to reach double figures. This is, on the face of it,

:40:16. > :40:19.an absolutely astonishing statistic. And an extraordinary achievement.

:40:20. > :40:22.When you consider that every previous military development, from

:40:23. > :40:31.firearms to fighter jets has spread among humanity like impetigo, you

:40:32. > :40:36.have to ask yourself why. Why has nuclear weapons been a great

:40:37. > :40:39.exception? It can't just be the kit. They cannot be so complex that only

:40:40. > :40:44.a handful of so-called advanced nations have the intellectual

:40:45. > :40:49.wherewithal to make them. It is true that the process is laborious and

:40:50. > :40:53.highly expensive, but the basic technology is more than 70 years old

:40:54. > :41:00.and indeed has been taught in universities, if not schools, for

:41:01. > :41:03.decades. Generations. The answer is partly that many countries wisely

:41:04. > :41:11.decided, after the war, that they were going to take shelter under the

:41:12. > :41:15.nuclear umbrella provided by the United States, nations in both

:41:16. > :41:19.Europe and in Asia opted for this protection. A commitment that must

:41:20. > :41:23.be rated one of the greatest contributions by America to the

:41:24. > :41:29.unprecedented Epoque of peace and prosperity that we have all been

:41:30. > :41:33.living through. I should observe that some European countries found

:41:34. > :41:37.themselves under a rival umbrella provided by the Soviet Union,

:41:38. > :41:43.although by that stage, they had no choice in the matter. It was that

:41:44. > :41:50.American fall, that guarantee, that make possible global consensus

:41:51. > :41:57.embodied by the 1970 nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. By this

:41:58. > :42:04.Treaty, 191 nations came together to recognise the special role of the

:42:05. > :42:09.five existing nuclear powers and also to insist that there should be

:42:10. > :42:14.no further dispersal of such weapons. Nuclear technology would be

:42:15. > :42:22.made available to other countries, provided it was used exclusively for

:42:23. > :42:29.civilian purposes. That was a great diplomatic achievement. It was an

:42:30. > :42:32.effort in which the UK, as one of the leading upholders of the

:42:33. > :42:41.post-war rules -based international order, played a crucial role. The

:42:42. > :42:45.British delegation was led by Alan Chalfant, now Lord Chalfont, the

:42:46. > :42:51.Labour Minister, who was, and at the age of 100, almost 100, still is a

:42:52. > :42:59.representative of the days when Labour was both hawkish and

:43:00. > :43:05.commonsensical on nuclear deterrence. That diplomacy has

:43:06. > :43:12.helped make the world safer, more secure, more confident and therefore

:43:13. > :43:17.more prosperous. It has helped to avoid what might otherwise have been

:43:18. > :43:21.a gathering rush to destruction in which the world was turned into a

:43:22. > :43:31.great arena of Mexican stand-offs, a nuclear version of the final scene

:43:32. > :43:36.of Reservoir Dogs. That far-sightedness is now needed more

:43:37. > :43:44.than ever. Not only to keep the NPT, but also, one of its most valuable,

:43:45. > :43:50.complementary accords, the nuclear deal with Iran. To grasp the

:43:51. > :43:55.importance of the joint comprehensive plan of action, we

:43:56. > :44:02.should remember that, just before it was signed in 2015, Iran had enough

:44:03. > :44:07.centrifuges and low enriched uranium to be only months away from

:44:08. > :44:11.producing the essential material for at least one nuclear weapon. Let's

:44:12. > :44:22.remember what the consequences would have been for Iran and the walk, if

:44:23. > :44:25.Teheran had gone down that road. Never mind the response of Israel or

:44:26. > :44:32.indeed the United States to the back of nuclear weapons in the hip or the

:44:33. > :44:35.Iranians, a regime that has been capable of bloodcurdling rhetoric

:44:36. > :44:45.about the mere existence of the Zionist entity. A nuclear armed Iran

:44:46. > :44:48.would have placed irresistible pressure on neighbouring countries

:44:49. > :44:51.to up the anti and to trigger an arms race in what is already one of

:44:52. > :45:01.the most volatile regions of the world. Imagine all those mutually

:45:02. > :45:06.contaminating sectarian dynastic internee Sign conflicts in the

:45:07. > :45:15.Middle East today. Then, turn the dial and add a nuclear arms race.

:45:16. > :45:25.It is nightmare we can continue to avoid if we are sensible, and if we

:45:26. > :45:33.show the same generosity and wisdom as the negotiators the of the NPT.

:45:34. > :45:39.First and and most important, it is important to understand, vital to

:45:40. > :45:47.understand, that President Trump has not withdrawn from the JCPOA. He has

:45:48. > :45:52.not junked it. He has won'ted -- continued to waive nuclear sanctions

:45:53. > :45:57.against Iran and having spoken to some of the most influential figures

:45:58. > :46:02.onical tap -- Capitol Hill, none of them fans of the Iranian regime, I

:46:03. > :46:07.have no doubt with determination, and with courage, the JCPOA can be

:46:08. > :46:14.preserved. This is not just because the

:46:15. > :46:18.essential deal is in the interests of western security, though it is.

:46:19. > :46:25.But because it is profoundly in the interests of the Iranian people.

:46:26. > :46:31.This is a great nation. Of 80 million people. Two thirds of whom

:46:32. > :46:37.are under the age of 30. They are highly educated men and women, they

:46:38. > :46:43.watch YouTube, they dance to music video, even if it is in the privacy

:46:44. > :46:48.of their own home, they use and understand technology, they are

:46:49. > :46:54.bursting with capitalist and entrepreneurial spirit. If we can

:46:55. > :47:02.show them they are welcome in the great global market place of ideas

:47:03. > :47:06.and innovation, in time, a very different relationship is possible

:47:07. > :47:13.with the modern heirs of what is after all, one of the greatest of

:47:14. > :47:20.all ancient civilisations, that is the possibility that the JCPOA holds

:47:21. > :47:25.open. Not just averting a perilous and debilitating arms race, but

:47:26. > :47:29.ending the long and largely self imposed exclusion of Iran from the

:47:30. > :47:37.global mainstream that so many millions of Iranians yearn to join.

:47:38. > :47:41.Of course, of course we share, we in the UK share with our American

:47:42. > :47:46.friends and with many of our allies, in Europe and across the Middle

:47:47. > :47:50.East, the concern, the legitimate concern over the disruptive

:47:51. > :47:53.behaviour of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, in countries

:47:54. > :47:59.hundreds of miles from their borders. It is simply provocative

:48:00. > :48:06.and dangerous that Iran has supplied tens of thousands of rockets and

:48:07. > :48:12.missiles to Hezbollah, weapons that are point at Israel but whose use

:48:13. > :48:15.would bring the most destructive retaliation not on Iran, the

:48:16. > :48:21.responsible party, but upon the people of Lebanon.

:48:22. > :48:28.It is of no conceivable benefit to the tormented people of Yemen, that

:48:29. > :48:35.Iran should be supplying missiles to the Houthi rebels who they use to

:48:36. > :48:37.target Saudi Arabia. Behaviour which alalas can only strengthen the

:48:38. > :48:44.consickions of those in the region who believe they have no choice but

:48:45. > :48:50.to respond to Iran's actions. Frankly, it is astonishing, that the

:48:51. > :48:56.Iranians, who rightly complain that the world looked the other way when

:48:57. > :49:02.they suffered so tragically from the chemical weapons deployed by Saddam

:49:03. > :49:10.Hussein in the 0s should even now by a betting and concealing the crimes

:49:11. > :49:15.of Bashar al-Assad who has used the same methods against his own people.

:49:16. > :49:20.So I think it is right that we should join with our American

:49:21. > :49:26.friends and allies to counter this kind of behaviour, where ever

:49:27. > :49:32.possible. But that does not mean for one minute that with should write

:49:33. > :49:37.Iran off or we should refuse to engage with Iran, or we should show

:49:38. > :49:42.disrespect to its people, on the contrary. We should continue to

:49:43. > :49:47.work, to demonstrate to that population, in Iran, that they will

:49:48. > :49:54.be better off, that they will be better off under this deal, and the

:49:55. > :49:59.path of reengagement it prescribes, and that is the model of toughness,

:50:00. > :50:05.but engagement. Each reinforcing the other. That we should have at the

:50:06. > :50:10.front of our mind, as we try to resolve the tensions in the Korean

:50:11. > :50:15.peninsula. I think it is right that Rex Tillerson has specifically

:50:16. > :50:19.opened the door to dialogue. He has tried to give some sensible

:50:20. > :50:24.reassurances to the regime, to enable them to take up this offer.

:50:25. > :50:29.Offer. Remember the four noes that have been offered by the South

:50:30. > :50:35.Korean President and reinforce bed I the US Secretary of State. No

:50:36. > :50:39.seeking regime regime change, no seeks to force the collapse of North

:50:40. > :50:45.Korea's regime, no seeking to deploy US forces beyond the 38th parallel,

:50:46. > :50:53.no attempt to accelerate the reunification of Korea.

:50:54. > :50:58.These are the commitments that we hope will encourage Kim Jong-un to

:50:59. > :51:03.halt his nuclear weapons programme. To come to the negotiating table and

:51:04. > :51:08.there to take the only path that can guarantee the security of the region

:51:09. > :51:14.as a whole. You will often here it -- hear it said that in weighing up

:51:15. > :51:23.those options Kim must bear in mind the woeful precedence of those whoa

:51:24. > :51:27.disarmed. Of Libya, where the leader listens to the ambulance dishments

:51:28. > :51:34.of the west and gave up his nuclear weapons programme over to be

:51:35. > :51:38.overthrown with western connigh vans or Ukraine which surrendered its

:51:39. > :51:43.nuclear Arsenal to suffer the forceable loss of territory in

:51:44. > :51:47.Europe since 1945. 1945. It is therefore suggested that Kim would

:51:48. > :51:58.be sealing his own fate if he were to comply. I reject those analogies.

:51:59. > :52:03.What finished Gaddafi was an up rising of his own people, including

:52:04. > :52:09.on the streets of Tripoli. Even if he had been able to perfect a nuke

:52:10. > :52:15.Arsenal in time, and if it is true, that he had a justified reputation

:52:16. > :52:22.for mercurial behaviour, it seems unlikely that he would have December

:52:23. > :52:26.decided to nuke his own capical, -- capital, including himself. As

:52:27. > :52:32.survival strategies go, that would have been eccentric even by his own

:52:33. > :52:38.standards. As for Ukraine, the fundamental difference is that

:52:39. > :52:42.no-one, not South Korea, nor any other neighbour has any designs on

:52:43. > :52:54.the national territory of North Korea. And the crucial question Kim

:52:55. > :52:59.Jong-un surely needs to ask himself is whether his current activities

:53:00. > :53:04.are making Pyongyang any saver for himself and for his regime? No-one,

:53:05. > :53:10.I am sure no-one in this room, certainly no-one in the UK and

:53:11. > :53:17.indeed around the world wants any kind of military solution to this

:53:18. > :53:24.problem. Known actively desire -- no-one actively desires that

:53:25. > :53:33.outcome. But Kim -- Kim Jong-un and the world need to understand that

:53:34. > :53:41.when the 45th President of the United States contemplates a regime

:53:42. > :53:47.led by a man who not only threatens to reduce New York to ashes, but who

:53:48. > :53:53.stands on the verge of acquiring the power to make good on his threat, I

:53:54. > :54:00.am afraid that the US President, whoever he or she might be, will

:54:01. > :54:06.have an absolute duty to prepare any option to keep safe not only the

:54:07. > :54:14.American people, but all those who have sheltered under the American

:54:15. > :54:21.nuclear umbrella. I hope Kim will also consider this. That if he is

:54:22. > :54:26.objective is to intimidate the US, into wholesale withdrawal from east

:54:27. > :54:35.Asia, it strikes me his current course might also be designed to

:54:36. > :54:45.produce the opposite effect. Already President Moon of South Korea is

:54:46. > :54:50.installing US-made missile defences. And in Japan and South Korea, it is

:54:51. > :54:55.easy to imagine the growth of domestic pressure for those

:54:56. > :55:02.Governments to take further steps to protect their own populations, from

:55:03. > :55:09.a nuclear North Korea. In short, Pyongyang faces the same dilemma as

:55:10. > :55:13.Tehran. By continuing to develop nuclear capabilities Kim risks

:55:14. > :55:19.provoking a reaction in the region that it at one defensive and

:55:20. > :55:24.competitive. That reduces not increases his security and reduces

:55:25. > :55:37.the survival chances of the regime. And therefore, I hope that Kim will

:55:38. > :55:42.see that it is no part of his family doctrine of national self-reliance,

:55:43. > :55:47.no is it in the interests of his national security to end up with an

:55:48. > :55:54.escalation of America's military presence in east Asia, let althrown

:55:55. > :56:00.run the risks that could emperil his regime. Until he understands that I

:56:01. > :56:05.am afraid we have no choice collectively but to step up the

:56:06. > :56:07.pressure on Pyongyang. It is one of the most encouraging developments

:56:08. > :56:14.this year that the UN Security Council, with the strong support of

:56:15. > :56:18.the UK, has unanimously passed three resolutions to tighten the economic

:56:19. > :56:22.ligature around the regime. When I joined a debate on North Korea in

:56:23. > :56:29.the Security Council earlier this year, I was struck by the

:56:30. > :56:33.unaccustomed absence of discord. For the first time, the Chinese have

:56:34. > :56:43.agreed to impose strict limits on the export of oil to North Korea,

:56:44. > :56:47.which until now was taboo. There has been an unmistakable change in

:56:48. > :56:54.Chinese policy, that is warmly to be welcomed. In his speech to the 19th

:56:55. > :57:00.party Congress President Xi hailed China's standing as a world power. I

:57:01. > :57:05.would say there is no more urgent problem for China to address, nor

:57:06. > :57:09.anywhere Beijing has greater influence than the threat to

:57:10. > :57:14.international security represented by the behaviour of North Korea.

:57:15. > :57:21.There is also unprecedented discussion between China and the US,

:57:22. > :57:26.on how to handle this crisis, a thing I think bodes well for the

:57:27. > :57:32.world. I should pay tribute to my colleague Rex Tillerson for his

:57:33. > :57:38.efforts. Whatever we may think of the regime and its behaviour, the

:57:39. > :57:43.ruling elite in North Korea is in the end composed of human beings. We

:57:44. > :57:50.must find ways of getting through to them. And at the same time, not just

:57:51. > :57:55.toughening the sanctions regime, but enforcing those already in place,

:57:56. > :58:01.and, in this respect, again, the Chinese hold the key. This is the

:58:02. > :58:11.moment for North Korea's regime to change course. And, if they do, the

:58:12. > :58:20.world can show that it is once again capable of the diplomatic

:58:21. > :58:25.imagination that produced the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty,

:58:26. > :58:29.and after 12 years of continuous effort produced the JCPOA nuclear

:58:30. > :58:38.deal with Iran. It won't be easy but the costs of failure could be

:58:39. > :58:44.catastrophic. We cannot disinvent nuclear weapons or wish them away.

:58:45. > :58:49.And the events in the Korean pins peninsula are the clearest possible

:58:50. > :58:53.rejoinder to those such alas as Jeremy Corbyn in at least some of

:58:54. > :58:59.his pronouncement although I accept on this matter he says different

:59:00. > :59:05.things ass different times. To those who say we should unilaterally cast

:59:06. > :59:11.aside our nuclear weapons. To wield a nuclear deterrent as this

:59:12. > :59:19.country does is neither easy, nor cheap. Indeed it imposes a huge

:59:20. > :59:25.responsibility on any country. We are one of the handful specifically

:59:26. > :59:30.recognised by the MPT to possess such dreadful weapons and we do so

:59:31. > :59:37.not just in the name of our own security but via Nato for the

:59:38. > :59:42.protection of dozens of our allies. And by holding that stockpile, a

:59:43. > :59:48.minimum stockpile I should say which has been reduced by half since its

:59:49. > :59:52.Cold War peak we play or part in deterring the ambitions of rogue

:59:53. > :59:56.states. It is 25 years since the end of the Cold War. And a new

:59:57. > :00:01.generation has grown up with no memory of the threat of nuclear

:00:02. > :00:13.winter and little education in the appalling logic of mutually assured

:00:14. > :00:17.destruction. Hiroshima, Nagasaki, their destruction, the full horror

:00:18. > :00:25.of what took place is now fading from living memory.

:00:26. > :00:32.When people like Alan Chalfant drew up the NPT, those horrors were still

:00:33. > :00:37.fresh in the hearts of the world. We must not be so forgetful or so

:00:38. > :00:44.complacent as to require a new lesson in what these weapons can do,

:00:45. > :00:49.or of the price of failing to limit their spread. The NPT is one of the

:00:50. > :00:56.great diplomatic achievements of the last century. It has stood the test

:00:57. > :01:03.of time. In its restraint and its maturity, it shows an unexpected

:01:04. > :01:08.wisdom on the part of humanity, and almost evolutionary instinct for the

:01:09. > :01:13.survival of our species. It is the job of our generation now to

:01:14. > :01:17.preserve that agreement and British diplomacy will be at the forefront

:01:18. > :01:26.of that endeavour. Thank you all very much indeed for your attention

:01:27. > :01:28.this morning. Thank you so much. And that is the Foreign Secretary Boris

:01:29. > :01:34.Johnson making a speech in Central London. He's been talking about

:01:35. > :01:37.North Korea, saying that the US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson is

:01:38. > :01:39.right to keep an open dialogue. He says that there needs to be

:01:40. > :01:43.toughness but engagement and they have to step up pressure on North

:01:44. > :01:52.Korea. He also says Iran should continue to be engaged. Good

:01:53. > :01:55.morning. It is ten o'clock. Some 95% of TV advert breaks

:01:56. > :01:57.during live football feature at least one gambling ad and in some

:01:58. > :02:01.cases as many as one in three The sports betting adverts

:02:02. > :02:04.is absolutely huge. It's swamped the whole

:02:05. > :02:08.Premier League. It's trying get these bets placed

:02:09. > :02:16.as quickly as possible. So many of you getting in touch with

:02:17. > :02:18.others on this this morning. We'll be talking to people

:02:19. > :02:21.with experience of gambling Also, a government minister says

:02:22. > :02:29.the "only way" to deal with British IS fighters in Syria is "in almost

:02:30. > :02:43.every case" to kill them. Sir David Attenborough is back on

:02:44. > :02:47.our screens this Sunday with another series of Blue Planet. He talks

:02:48. > :02:51.about the threat to the oceans and says that climate change scepticism

:02:52. > :02:54.must be in decline. I think any sceptics that there were ten or 20

:02:55. > :02:59.years ago about global warming, climate change, and there were lots,

:03:00. > :03:00.must surely be diminishing almost vanishing point when you see the

:03:01. > :03:10.evidence. Here's Rebecca in the BBC Newsroom

:03:11. > :03:14.with a summary of today's news. From today, owners of older,

:03:15. > :03:20.dirtier vehicles will have to pay an extra ?10 to drive

:03:21. > :03:23.in central London. The scheme, known as the T-charge,

:03:24. > :03:26.is designed to reduce air pollution and has been described

:03:27. > :03:28.as the toughest emission standard and environmental groups,

:03:29. > :03:33.by some health charities although some say it

:03:34. > :03:42.doesn't go far enough. The mayor of the capital has

:03:43. > :03:45.defended the policy. The UK's biggest business lobby

:03:46. > :03:48.groups, including the Institute of Directors and the CBI,

:03:49. > :03:50.are calling for an urgent Brexit transition deal to safeguard

:03:51. > :03:52.jobs and investment. David Davis, in the coming days,

:03:53. > :03:56.to the Brexit Secretary, the groups warn that

:03:57. > :04:01.time is running out. A government spokesman says

:04:02. > :04:02.the talks "are making real,

:04:03. > :04:16.tangible progress". The Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson

:04:17. > :04:19.has backed those in the United States urging restraint on President

:04:20. > :04:23.Trump over both Iran and North Korea. In a speech in Central

:04:24. > :04:28.London, Mr Johnson said dialogue and diplomacy are needed to counter any

:04:29. > :04:33.threat of nuclear war. However, he warned that the increased tempo of

:04:34. > :04:42.nuclear testing by North Korea has reawakened forgotten fears.

:04:43. > :04:43.The Victoria Derbyshire programme has learnt

:04:44. > :04:45.that the government is considering whether new

:04:46. > :04:47.restrictions are needed on gambling adverts on TV

:04:48. > :04:51.were for betting firms, broadcast across 25 matches

:04:52. > :04:54.rising to more than one in three in some games.

:04:55. > :04:58.A government report on the subject is expected as early as next week.

:04:59. > :05:04.from some illnesses, home and rest in order to recover

:05:05. > :05:05.rather than be prescribed unnecessary antibiotics,

:05:06. > :05:09.as part of a new campaign by Public Health England.

:05:10. > :05:16.Health officials are warning the overuse of certain medicines

:05:17. > :05:18.has made some infections harder to treat by creating

:05:19. > :05:24.Last year, in England alone, more than 5,000 people died

:05:25. > :05:42.That's a summary of the latest BBC News. Moore at 1030 the AM. Bruce,

:05:43. > :05:47.Doctor Who, three new companions have been announced. But are they

:05:48. > :05:52.new companions? As someone who spends a lot of time on Doctor Who

:05:53. > :05:58.forums and websites... If they do not Ashley travelled with the doctor

:05:59. > :06:02.on his adventures, do they count as a companion? B don't know how these

:06:03. > :06:11.people are going to fit in. We have a familiar face, Bradley Walsh,

:06:12. > :06:16.known for his comedy, presenting The Chase on ITV, and a versatile

:06:17. > :06:23.talent. He has long been rumoured to be taking part. We have got Tosin

:06:24. > :06:32.Cole from EastEnders, and Mandeep Gill, who has appeared in Hollyoaks

:06:33. > :06:38.and on casualty. We have to talk about video footage that has emerged

:06:39. > :06:42.of Harry Styles being groped in the crotch during a concert in Los

:06:43. > :06:56.Angeles on Saturday night. Let's have a look at the video. SCREAMING.

:06:57. > :07:02.Let's have a look at the video. We are going to play that again...

:07:03. > :07:08.Hopefully. We will play again. You can see that he's pushing that fan

:07:09. > :07:11.away. This video has gone up on social media and it has been a huge

:07:12. > :07:17.reaction from people pointing out of course that any kind of contact like

:07:18. > :07:21.this is inappropriate one of the figures involved, Harry Styles, one

:07:22. > :07:25.of the biggest male stars in the world, with a very kind of adoring

:07:26. > :07:31.fan base, but really, people saying that this kind of thing, it doesn't

:07:32. > :07:34.matter who is affected by it, it is absolutely unacceptable. We haven't

:07:35. > :07:37.heard anything from Harry Styles or his people and no complaints have

:07:38. > :07:41.been made to the authorities at this point, but it shines a spotlight on

:07:42. > :07:54.the ongoing issue of any kind of inappropriate contact between

:07:55. > :07:56.celebrities and other people. Thank you, Liso, a la entertainment

:07:57. > :08:00.correspondent. Let's get some sports news now.

:08:01. > :08:03.Lewis Hamilton is edging closer to a fourth F1 world title

:08:04. > :08:07.He was made to work early in the race, after being overtaken

:08:08. > :08:09.by title rival Sebastian Vettel from the off.

:08:10. > :08:12.Hamilton managed to regain the lead on lap six and never looked back.

:08:13. > :08:15.There were many in attendance to watch Hamilton take

:08:16. > :08:17.his ninth victory of the season, including a certain Usain Bolt.

:08:18. > :08:20.It means that Hamilton needs just a top five finish in Mexico

:08:21. > :08:22.next weekend to clinch the Drivers' Championship.

:08:23. > :08:24.It has been an incredible year, so far.

:08:25. > :08:28.I did not expect to have the pace that we had on

:08:29. > :08:30.Sebastian this year, today, but the car felt fantastic,

:08:31. > :08:32.we had the right balance at the start.

:08:33. > :08:45.On to football, where it was another loss for Everton.

:08:46. > :08:47.And yet more pressure heaped on manager Ronald Kooman.

:08:48. > :08:50.Everton were thrashed 5-2 by Arsenal at Goodison Park

:08:51. > :08:53.But they conceded four second half goals, and means they've not

:08:54. > :09:04.won a match in five matches in all competitions.

:09:05. > :09:07.Manager Koeman admitted his club expects better.

:09:08. > :09:13.It is a tough time. The team is not performing well. The position in the

:09:14. > :09:17.table was not the position that Everton should be on. Everybody

:09:18. > :09:22.knows that. We had a lot of expectation after last season. And

:09:23. > :09:26.that, those expectations are not filling in at the moment. And that

:09:27. > :09:33.makes the situation really difficult. It was a miserable day

:09:34. > :09:39.for the Merseyside rivals Liverpool. They lost 4-1 to Spurs at Wembley.

:09:40. > :09:43.Harry Kane scored twice to increase his tally to 15 in all competitions

:09:44. > :09:45.this season. Liverpool paid for bad defensive errors.

:09:46. > :09:46.Congratulations this morning to Motherwell.

:09:47. > :09:48.They've have reached the Scottish League Cup final

:09:49. > :09:51.for the first time in more than a decade.

:09:52. > :09:56.They'll take on current holders Celtic in the final next month.

:09:57. > :09:59.The Chief of Staff for the President of the European Commission has

:10:00. > :10:01.denied leaking an account of Theresa May's dinner with EU

:10:02. > :10:09.negotiators last week to a German newspaper which claimed Theresa May

:10:10. > :10:11."begged" Jean-Claude Juncker "for help" with Brexit.

:10:12. > :10:16.Our political correspondent Eleanor Garnier can tell us more.

:10:17. > :10:26.What details do we have unworthily came from? This is a report in the

:10:27. > :10:30.German newspaper. It is about a dinner that Theresa May had last

:10:31. > :10:33.week with the president of the commission, Jean-Claude Juncker, and

:10:34. > :10:39.also the EU chief negotiator, Michel Barnier. After that dinner this

:10:40. > :10:43.German newspaper is reporting that Theresa May seemed tired and

:10:44. > :10:46.despondent, she was apparently anxious and tormented and apparently

:10:47. > :10:50.asked those EU leaders for help, because of the domestic pressure she

:10:51. > :10:56.is facing back home, with her cabinet so divided over Brexit. We

:10:57. > :10:59.have heard from Jean-Claude Juncker's Chief of Staff this

:11:00. > :11:03.morning. He has denied leaking those reports to this German newspaper. He

:11:04. > :11:08.has denied that Jean-Claude Juncker even said those things. He said this

:11:09. > :11:13.is an attempt to frame the EU, undermine negotiations and he has

:11:14. > :11:17.insisted that Brussels does not want to undermine Theresa May's position.

:11:18. > :11:20.Another thing I would like to speak about as this letter that has

:11:21. > :11:25.emerged from Britain's five biggest business lobby groups. They are

:11:26. > :11:29.calling for an urgent Brexit transitional deal. Explain what it

:11:30. > :11:32.is what they are calling for. These business groups say that things are

:11:33. > :11:36.so uncertain now, and they are worried about the future, and the

:11:37. > :11:41.decisions they need to make in order to secure the growth that they think

:11:42. > :11:46.their businesses need, but of course lead into the UK's economy. They say

:11:47. > :11:50.that the country needs an urgent transition deal put in place as soon

:11:51. > :11:54.as possible to end that uncertainty. What this transition deal would do

:11:55. > :11:58.would be to keep things as they are, the day after we leave the EU. They

:11:59. > :12:03.say things need to be as close as possible to the existing

:12:04. > :12:08.arrangements, the day after we leave the EU. We know Theresa May has said

:12:09. > :12:12.she does want a transition deal of about two years. But we also know

:12:13. > :12:17.that the EU would agree on that until further progress is made on

:12:18. > :12:22.the divorce side of things, the divorce talks. Issues like the

:12:23. > :12:27.rights of EU citizens and of course the big sticking point that we have

:12:28. > :12:34.seen so far, money, that issue of how much the UK is willing to pay

:12:35. > :12:38.the EU, as it leaves the union. That's what business leaders want.

:12:39. > :12:42.It just shows how much pressure Theresa May is under. She is

:12:43. > :12:45.fighting on all fronts, not just in the EU with negotiations there,

:12:46. > :12:49.trying to persuade those in Brussels to move onto talks about trade. She

:12:50. > :12:54.has pressure here in Westminster from MPs, not just on the opposition

:12:55. > :12:55.parties but behind, on own backbenches and of course from

:12:56. > :13:00.businesses, too. Now we can speak to Kwasi Kwarteng,

:13:01. > :13:02.a Conservative MP who was a leading Leave campaigner

:13:03. > :13:05.and Heidi Alexander, Labour MP and Remain supporter

:13:06. > :13:15.who is part of Thank you both for coming in. Let's

:13:16. > :13:18.talk first of all about that embarrassing leak today. It has been

:13:19. > :13:24.quoted that Theresa May begged for help last week from Jean-Claude

:13:25. > :13:27.Juncker. She was anxious, tormented, despondent and discouraged. That is

:13:28. > :13:32.not the sort of language you want to hear one woman who is meant to be

:13:33. > :13:34.leaving these Brexit negotiations. We have had these looks before. I'm

:13:35. > :13:40.not sure how much credence we can give them. I think the Chief of

:13:41. > :13:44.Staff of Jean-Claude Juncker has already been fingered for leaking

:13:45. > :13:57.the first meeting, if you remember, all those months ago. The story

:13:58. > :14:00.appeared in the same newspaper, in the property. That doesn't mean it

:14:01. > :14:04.is not true. They have been playing lots of games on the EU side. What

:14:05. > :14:09.the Prime Minister has always said has been consistent. If you look at

:14:10. > :14:13.the Lancaster House speech, and what she said subsequently, she's had a

:14:14. > :14:17.consistent line. There will be lots of noise, lots of different word

:14:18. > :14:22.said about her position but I think her position is actually quite clear

:14:23. > :14:27.one. It is worth saying that the source of the league has denied

:14:28. > :14:31.making it. I think there is no smoke without fire, to be honest and this

:14:32. > :14:36.is probably underlining the extent to which these negotiations are

:14:37. > :14:40.going so badly wrong. I think that Theresa May may find some friendly

:14:41. > :14:42.faces round the negotiating table in Brussels than she actually finds

:14:43. > :14:48.around the Cabinet table in Number Ten. She has got huge problems on

:14:49. > :14:52.her own backbenches and with some of her Cabinet colleagues. And so, I

:14:53. > :14:58.think the news that we have heard this morning about this letter from

:14:59. > :15:05.a number of significant employers just underscores how critical it is

:15:06. > :15:08.that we get an agreement on transition which is essentially

:15:09. > :15:13.staying in the single market and Customs union for a number of years

:15:14. > :15:17.following the conclusion of Article 50 negotiations. Does it worry you,

:15:18. > :15:20.this letter from these business leaders? They are worried, and if

:15:21. > :15:23.they are worried that is not good for the economy. A couple of things

:15:24. > :15:27.you must bear in mind, the transition give something the

:15:28. > :15:31.Chancellor has mentioned. Liam Fox, lots of people on both sides of the

:15:32. > :15:37.unit within the Conservative Party are signed up to this. This is

:15:38. > :15:46.nothing new. Secondly, I would say... Forgive me, forgive me, Heidi

:15:47. > :15:50.has made a number of remarks about disagree with and I would like to

:15:51. > :15:54.counter. These business leaders have said that there is support in the

:15:55. > :15:57.government for transitional arrangements and they are putting

:15:58. > :16:03.together budgets for next year and they are saying, if you do not start

:16:04. > :16:06.telling as soon... What I am saying, Heidi said that the negotiations are

:16:07. > :16:10.going badly. They are not. Angela Merkel has said that we can talk

:16:11. > :16:15.about trade in December after the first stage is done. Many people on

:16:16. > :16:21.your side were saying that it was going to be next year. We have

:16:22. > :16:23.talked down the British diplomacy and government and economy, but

:16:24. > :16:27.actually, if you strip away all of the rhetoric, we are not in a bad

:16:28. > :16:30.place. I think we will get a deal. Everyone involved is confident that

:16:31. > :16:34.we can get the deal, and then we can move on.

:16:35. > :16:40.People said this summit in October was going to be crunch time.

:16:41. > :16:43.Businesses need the certainty about what the trading arrangements are

:16:44. > :16:47.going to be, whether they are going to have to make customs declaration,

:16:48. > :16:53.whether they their supply chain is going to hold up, they need that

:16:54. > :16:57.certainty, because we are looking at a situation in March 2019, which is

:16:58. > :17:01.less than a year-and-a-half away now, and so, you know, the fact that

:17:02. > :17:05.we haven't been able to progress to the talks about the future trading

:17:06. > :17:10.arrangement, all we have got from this summit is an agreement that we

:17:11. > :17:15.are going to start talking about having talks in the future, when

:17:16. > :17:18.this is now 16 months since the referendum, for Government ministers

:17:19. > :17:23.to be describing this summit as a success when it was an unambiguous

:17:24. > :17:28.failure is nauseating in my view. I don't think she has got this right

:17:29. > :17:32.at all if we lock at it. It not from the referendum it have from the

:17:33. > :17:36.signing of the Article 50, in March. In the last six month, nine nonths

:17:37. > :17:43.we have had a lot of progress. Have we? People will be saying are you

:17:44. > :17:46.sure about that? We have had no progress on EU citizens right, on

:17:47. > :17:50.Northern Ireland, we haven't got agreement about moving to the next

:17:51. > :17:56.talk, these talks are failing and it is a mess and you have to accept

:17:57. > :18:00.that. If you let me talk, if we look where we were in March, no-one was

:18:01. > :18:03.talking about a transition deal in March, no-one was talking about

:18:04. > :18:06.that, now we are talking about that. In terms of EU migrants the Prime

:18:07. > :18:11.Minister has written a letter and said they will be allowed to stay,

:18:12. > :18:16.that wasn't the case in March. OK. Then when she say, when Heidi says

:18:17. > :18:19.we haven't made progress, three weeks' ago we were saying we would

:18:20. > :18:23.never get to a point where we talk about trade. Last week Angela Merkel

:18:24. > :18:27.said that we could get to that point before the end of the year. That is

:18:28. > :18:35.all progress. Those are three things in which we have made big steps. I

:18:36. > :18:41.think, eHeidi said it was nauseating it is nauseating for me to have the

:18:42. > :18:42.negotiationtive attitude on what is a sensitive discussion. We are make

:18:43. > :18:49.progress. Thank you for coming in. Sir David Attenborough talks

:18:50. > :18:53.about sea life and the threats it faces as he returns to screens this

:18:54. > :18:55.Sunday with a new series Gambling ads are banned on British

:18:56. > :19:02.TV before the 9pm watershed - except in live sporting matches -

:19:03. > :19:05.and now an investigation for this programme has found that 95% of ad

:19:06. > :19:08.breaks during football matches contain at least one

:19:09. > :19:09.gambling advert. A fifth of the commercials

:19:10. > :19:11.broadcast across 25 matches were for betting firms,

:19:12. > :19:13.rising to more than It comes as the government

:19:14. > :19:22.is considering whether new restrictions are needed,

:19:23. > :19:24.with a report expected You can watch it and you can

:19:25. > :19:33.get involved in it. The betting industry and the way it

:19:34. > :19:36.sells itself has changed radically. Ten years ago, the Labour Government

:19:37. > :19:38.let bookies advertise There was and still is

:19:39. > :19:48.an agreement not to show ads There is an exception though,

:19:49. > :19:56.in live sporting events When he was a teenager

:19:57. > :20:03.he started gambling Any spare money that I had was spent

:20:04. > :20:09.on gambling, you know, two weeks you would be losing,

:20:10. > :20:13.but you hoped to go on a lucky run. The number of problem gamblers has

:20:14. > :20:16.remained fairly stable over the last few years with around two million

:20:17. > :20:19.people at risk. The latest stats show

:20:20. > :20:22.if you are under 35 years old, you're far more likely

:20:23. > :20:27.to get in trouble. The sports betting adverts

:20:28. > :20:29.is absolutely huge. It has swamped the whole

:20:30. > :20:36.Premier League. It's almost seen that

:20:37. > :20:38.it's the thing to do. That you have to put

:20:39. > :20:41.a bet on to kind of get We looked at 25 games

:20:42. > :20:47.shown on TV this season. That's total of 1,324 commercials

:20:48. > :20:49.and sponsorship idents. Of those 272 were for betting ads -

:20:50. > :20:54.that's one in every five. For some games sponsored by betting

:20:55. > :20:57.firms, the rate was even higher. Take a recent Everton match, 40%

:20:58. > :21:00.of the adverts were for gambling. Again, 37% of the commercials

:21:01. > :21:13.were betting related. The Government is now under

:21:14. > :21:16.pressure to do more on this. At a recent debate in the House

:21:17. > :21:19.of Lords, former Spurs chairman It's my personal belief

:21:20. > :21:27.that it is these adverts that are the major culprits who induce

:21:28. > :21:30.young people to gamble. Frankly, these adverts are too

:21:31. > :21:37.clever, and too luring. The betting industry says

:21:38. > :21:38.there is no evidence that more adverts leads

:21:39. > :21:45.to more problem gambling. There's an interesting question

:21:46. > :21:47.there about whether the current Are they causing harm

:21:48. > :21:50.or is it subjective? People don't like them and there's

:21:51. > :21:52.even people in the gambling But we have a major review

:21:53. > :22:03.under way at the moment, It's a great opportunity to look

:22:04. > :22:06.at all these issues. The thing is a TV advertising ban

:22:07. > :22:09.can only do so much. Take the BBC's own programme,

:22:10. > :22:12.Match Of The Day. No commercials maybe, but a study

:22:13. > :22:14.by Goldsmith's University still found over 250 separate

:22:15. > :22:16.gambling adverts on screen - It's Burnley nil,

:22:17. > :22:30.West Ham United one. This is all likely to come

:22:31. > :22:32.to a head this autumn. A major government review

:22:33. > :22:35.of the gambling sector is expected soon and greater restrictions

:22:36. > :22:36.on advertising are The Government told us,

:22:37. > :22:43."We have been clear that we expect the gambling sector to help people

:22:44. > :22:46.stay in control of their gambling, but there is clearly more work

:22:47. > :22:49.that is needed in this area". Liz Karter is a gambling addiction

:22:50. > :22:54.therapist who specialises in getting Matt Zarb-Cousin is a former

:22:55. > :22:59.gambling addict now working with the Campaign for Fairer

:23:00. > :23:00.Gambling. In Devon, Justyn Larcombe,

:23:01. > :23:09.a former gambler and trained money Negative attitude on what is a

:23:10. > :23:11.sensitive discussion. We are make progress. Thank you for coming in.

:23:12. > :23:18.Tell us hour your addiction took hold? It started when I was very

:23:19. > :23:24.young, 16, I got addicted to fixed odds betting machines, part of the

:23:25. > :23:27.review that is imminent. And I think the adverts, gambling adverts really

:23:28. > :23:31.are a trigger for people who are addicted. I think it is very

:23:32. > :23:34.difficult, you feel like you can't get away from gambling, whenever you

:23:35. > :23:39.go shopping, down the high street, there is dozens of betting shop, you

:23:40. > :23:44.turn on the TV to watch a sporting event, there is the ads again, and

:23:45. > :23:48.the feeling of gambling becoming more and more normalised I think is

:23:49. > :23:53.a cause for concern, particularly among young people. There was a

:23:54. > :23:57.study out last week, a Australian study on young people and how

:23:58. > :24:03.gambling adverts affect them. They, children as young as 11 were able to

:24:04. > :24:10.recall exactly what the. Amling advert was, how to place a bet. They

:24:11. > :24:15.knew about odds, I think that is a a particular concern, and I think it

:24:16. > :24:20.speaks to actually how bloated the gambling industry has got. Last year

:24:21. > :24:25.it generated 14 billion, and what does it say about our economy that

:24:26. > :24:30.these ads are everywhere, and half of football teams are sponsored by

:24:31. > :24:35.gambling companies. Liz, when you speak to people who have gapening

:24:36. > :24:39.addictions, are they talking about adverts in football matches being a

:24:40. > :24:44.trigger for them. It is a trigger, if we look at recovery, the area I

:24:45. > :24:48.have been working in for the last 16 year, whatever the evidence says I

:24:49. > :24:53.know through my professional experience, that the gambling

:24:54. > :24:57.adverts cause huge problems for people in their recovery, and

:24:58. > :25:00.doesn't recovery require some sort of personal responsibility, we are

:25:01. > :25:04.always asked, yes, of course it does, but we have to bear in mind,

:25:05. > :25:09.that when somebody is in recovery from gambling addiction they are in

:25:10. > :25:14.a massive conflict with themselves on the one hand there is one part of

:25:15. > :25:19.them that desperately wants to stop because they know their gambling is

:25:20. > :25:24.destroying their lives, their mental health and the lives of those round

:25:25. > :25:29.them they love and care about. They are, especially in the early weeks

:25:30. > :25:34.driven by huge intense cravings to gamble that are every bit as

:25:35. > :25:40.difficult to negotiate as anyone who is going through withdrawal from

:25:41. > :25:43.Class A drugs or alcohol so to be constantly drip fed adverts

:25:44. > :25:49.encouraging them what they are trying not to do is incredibly

:25:50. > :25:53.difficult. I want to introduce you to Jon Brian who has written about

:25:54. > :25:58.gambling adverts. I don't know how much you have heard of what Liz and

:25:59. > :26:02.Matt have said, they are talking about the prevalence of the TV

:26:03. > :26:05.adverts being a real problem for people trying to recover from

:26:06. > :26:11.gambling addiction, would you agree with that? I think they could be a

:26:12. > :26:14.problem, but I think, the bit I did hear was where someone said whatever

:26:15. > :26:19.the evidence shows, we have to stop this. I just don't think that is the

:26:20. > :26:23.case. I think the research is inconclusive in terms of whether or

:26:24. > :26:27.not they have an impact. I think they, there is a kind of tendency to

:26:28. > :26:32.think a common-sense idea, which there must be something we can do to

:26:33. > :26:37.stop these adverts and therefore regulate them. I don't think that, I

:26:38. > :26:41.think there is this assumption we immediate to do these things, to

:26:42. > :26:45.prevent the amount of adverts, but I think we can make our own choices

:26:46. > :26:50.from watching adverts about what it is we choose to do, overall, the

:26:51. > :26:54.Gambling Commission have just done a, some research that shows the

:26:55. > :26:58.level of problem gambling is statistically stable and in fact has

:26:59. > :27:04.been over the last few year, so I don't think there is anything that

:27:05. > :27:09.needs doing, I don't think we need any further regularings --

:27:10. > :27:16.regulation. A quick one it has gone up. It went up to 430,000 in 2015

:27:17. > :27:20.but aside from that, do you think it is appropriate young people are

:27:21. > :27:25.targeted with these advert, particularly when there is a

:27:26. > :27:30.prewatershed exemption, do you not think there is a case for these ads,

:27:31. > :27:35.if they are allowed they should be after the watershed. It depend that

:27:36. > :27:38.you you by young people. There is an assumption we need to protect

:27:39. > :27:43.children. The Gambling Commission and others have kind of recently

:27:44. > :27:48.writ frn and said that people need to adjust their adverts to make sure

:27:49. > :27:53.they don't attract children. I think that is a legitimate thing to do.

:27:54. > :27:56.When you saw young people are we talking about 16-year-old,

:27:57. > :28:00.18-year-old, 20-year-olds, what is, that we are talking about? It is

:28:01. > :28:05.clearly the case that gambling is something that the majority of

:28:06. > :28:11.people in this country enjoy, at least once a year, I the most recent

:28:12. > :28:17.research says 65% of people gambling at some point throughout the year,

:28:18. > :28:20.so, the fact there are a number of gambling advert, you know, I think

:28:21. > :28:25.that is a reflection of the way that things are, I think that you know,

:28:26. > :28:31.in terms of protecting children, you know, then, as I said, there has

:28:32. > :28:37.been recent intervention to try and do that, but, I don't think that we

:28:38. > :28:41.should all be treated. That is a real problem. If I could come in

:28:42. > :28:45.there I would like to be clear what I said certainly wasn't let's stop

:28:46. > :28:50.all gambling advertising, because I don't believe that would work, I

:28:51. > :28:57.think we need to have sensible reasonable discussions about the

:28:58. > :28:59.current level, I don't believe if we eradicate all advertising we will

:29:00. > :29:05.eradicate addiction to gambling, what I know is for the majority of

:29:06. > :29:10.people that I work with, their gambling addiction whether they are

:29:11. > :29:16.consciously wear of it is an attempt to medicate often high lesses of

:29:17. > :29:20.stress depression or anxiety by absorption in their addiction or

:29:21. > :29:25.getting a high from the experience, we talk about the FOBTs a lot and

:29:26. > :29:30.they have been dubbed the crack cocaine of the gambling industry.

:29:31. > :29:37.These fixed betting terminals. Exactly. So, to eradicate the

:29:38. > :29:41.adverts would not eradicate the problem, because the problem exists

:29:42. > :29:47.because of problems often that person has in their life, but what I

:29:48. > :29:50.think we do need to do, along with having sensible conversations about

:29:51. > :29:54.the level of advertising is look at how we are going to educate people

:29:55. > :29:59.in the real risks they are taking, if they do, as you said, choose to

:30:00. > :30:07.gamble, because for many people it will remain fun, for some people,

:30:08. > :30:11.they will become hooked not by the loss chasing initially but how hay

:30:12. > :30:16.feel when they are in the activity of gambling. I am sorry that we

:30:17. > :30:21.don't educate better in that, we can't just educate about the odds of

:30:22. > :30:25.winning or being sensible with money, to safeguard young people or

:30:26. > :30:29.indeed anybody of any age. We need to educate people that if they get

:30:30. > :30:31.hooked it might be they are going through a particularly difficult

:30:32. > :30:34.time in their life and gambling lifts their mood.

:30:35. > :30:51.Thank you ever so much. If let me bring this to you. Gemma

:30:52. > :30:55.Proctor has been charged with the murder of 18-month-old Elliot Potter

:30:56. > :31:02.to go from a sixth floor window in Bradford in West Yorkshire. Still to

:31:03. > :31:05.come, reaction to the comments from a government minister that the only

:31:06. > :31:09.way to deal with British extremists who have gone to fight with the

:31:10. > :31:17.so-called Islamic State in Syria is to kill them in almost every case. A

:31:18. > :31:21.group of MPs is to launch an inquiry into so-called pop-up brothels,

:31:22. > :31:31.where sex workers set up on premises for a short period before moving on.

:31:32. > :31:36.Time to the latest news now with Rebecca. Here are the headlines on

:31:37. > :31:39.BBC News. From today, owners of older,

:31:40. > :31:42.dirtier vehicles will have to pay an extra ?10 to drive

:31:43. > :31:44.in central London. The scheme, known as the T-charge,

:31:45. > :31:47.is designed to reduce air pollution and has been described

:31:48. > :31:49.as the toughest emission standard and environmental groups,

:31:50. > :31:54.by some health charities although some say it

:31:55. > :32:07.doesn't go far enough. The Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson

:32:08. > :32:10.has backed those in the United States urging restraint on President

:32:11. > :32:15.Trump over both Iran and North Korea. In a speech in Central

:32:16. > :32:20.London, Mr Johnson said dialogue and diplomacy are needed to counter any

:32:21. > :32:25.threat of nuclear war. He said recent activity by North Korea had

:32:26. > :32:31.raised fears around the world. It is this increased tempo of nuclear

:32:32. > :32:37.testing, coupled with florid outbursts of verbal belligerence

:32:38. > :32:48.that have reawakened, even in this country, those forgotten peers. --

:32:49. > :32:52.fears. The public can be forgiven for once again starting to wonder

:32:53. > :32:54.whether the nuclear sword of Damocles is once again held over the

:32:55. > :32:59.head of a trembling human race. The Victoria Derbyshire

:33:00. > :33:01.programme has learnt that the government

:33:02. > :33:02.is considering whether new restrictions are needed

:33:03. > :33:04.on gambling adverts on TV were for betting firms,

:33:05. > :33:09.broadcast across 25 matches rising to more than one

:33:10. > :33:12.in three in some games. A government report on the subject

:33:13. > :33:20.is expected as early as next week. Patients are being encouraged to go

:33:21. > :33:22.home and rest in order

:33:23. > :33:24.to recover from some illnesses, rather than be prescribed

:33:25. > :33:25.unnecessary antibiotics, as part of a new campaign

:33:26. > :33:28.by Public Health England. Health officials are warning

:33:29. > :33:32.the overuse of certain medicines has made some infections harder

:33:33. > :33:34.to treat by creating Last year, in England alone,

:33:35. > :33:39.more than 5,000 people died That's a summary of

:33:40. > :33:53.the latest BBC News. Lewis Hamilton is edging closer

:33:54. > :34:10.to a fourth F1 world title If he finishes in the top five in

:34:11. > :34:19.Mexico next weekend he will seal the championship. Everton manager Ronald

:34:20. > :34:25.Koeman is leaving training today and preparing as normal for Everton's

:34:26. > :34:28.next match. There is increasing speculation about his future after

:34:29. > :34:35.Everton drop into the relegation zone following defeat at Arsenal. I

:34:36. > :34:41.will try to carry on... You don't have to carry on. I have been there.

:34:42. > :34:44.It is not pleasant. Take a drink of water. I was going to give you the

:34:45. > :34:48.rest of the sport but it is not going to happen, I'm afraid. Don't

:34:49. > :34:56.apologise, it has happened to all of us.

:34:57. > :34:59.A group of MPs have today launched an inquiry into so called "pop-up"

:35:00. > :35:01.brothels which are growing in popularity across the UK.

:35:02. > :35:04.It's where sex workers use rented properties for between one day

:35:05. > :35:06.and a few weeks before packing up and moving on.

:35:07. > :35:09.Many of the pop-up brothels are linked to organised crime gangs,

:35:10. > :35:12.Let's talk now to Carrie Mitchell from Poland and Romania.

:35:13. > :35:14.from the English Collective of Prostitutes, who says

:35:15. > :35:16.women are being forced into this predicament.

:35:17. > :35:19.Inspector Dave Meredith is from Newquay Police, whose force

:35:20. > :35:21.discovered 14 pop-up brothels in the seaside town

:35:22. > :35:32.Thank you both for coming in and speaking to us. Why are these pop-up

:35:33. > :35:39.brothels increasing, do we know? Well, we think they are caused, the

:35:40. > :35:44.name pop-up brothels is a bit of a misnomer. These are short-term lets,

:35:45. > :35:48.as you said, and they are caused by the police closing down longer-term

:35:49. > :35:52.premises where women have been working in many cases stably, the

:35:53. > :35:57.premises have been there and have been stable for a while, but the

:35:58. > :36:02.police are raiding and closing premises using closure orders or

:36:03. > :36:06.they are just coming round and saying, if you don't close in a

:36:07. > :36:10.week, I will come back and prosecute. That has happened widely

:36:11. > :36:16.around the country. And this has forced women to move to short-term

:36:17. > :36:20.lets to keep ahead of the police. So this isn't about criminal gangs

:36:21. > :36:24.trafficking Eastern European woman? This is about women who have, for

:36:25. > :36:27.years, work in brothels, they have been closed down. There may be

:36:28. > :36:36.immigrant women working in short-term lets, but the trafficking

:36:37. > :36:41.initiatives are really based on outdated figures. Less than 6% of

:36:42. > :36:44.sex workers are trafficked, have been forced to work. So people

:36:45. > :36:47.shouldn't worry so much and if anybody is being forced to work in

:36:48. > :36:51.the sex industry or any industry they should be able to come forward

:36:52. > :36:55.and report it to the police but that again is a problem because then you

:36:56. > :36:58.fear that you're going to be thrown out of your premises or deported,

:36:59. > :37:03.and that is big fear for women, because most of them are mothers or

:37:04. > :37:10.they are working to send money home to other countries. Can you pick up

:37:11. > :37:15.and respond to those points? Good morning. I would like to clarify

:37:16. > :37:21.that the police approach to dealing with pop-up brothels is very much a

:37:22. > :37:24.victim centred. It is not like it was done decades ago, when they were

:37:25. > :37:28.arrested and taken in handcuffs. When we do visit a pop-up brothel,

:37:29. > :37:33.it is very much a safeguarding approach to checking their wealth of

:37:34. > :37:36.the sex workers, to check on their welfare and perhaps give them

:37:37. > :37:42.signposting advice to various welfare agencies and secondly to

:37:43. > :37:51.gather evidence to see if they are victims of sex trafficking. That is

:37:52. > :37:55.good, as long as women can come forward and report and they know

:37:56. > :38:00.that they can report to the police without fear of deportation. Our

:38:01. > :38:04.experience is that the police are raiding widely around the country.

:38:05. > :38:07.We've add women coming to our group who have been threatened by the

:38:08. > :38:09.police that if they do not close down they are going to prosecute

:38:10. > :38:16.anybody who works in the premises, including somebody who has had a

:38:17. > :38:19.violent attack and burglary to the police, that's the only reason she

:38:20. > :38:24.came to their pension then she was threatened with personal prosecution

:38:25. > :38:29.and then with deportation. -- came to the attention of the police. The

:38:30. > :38:36.police said that she had to close down. They said that she was

:38:37. > :38:40.allowing under age clients in. They have a strict policy of not doing

:38:41. > :38:43.that. The police evidence was they sat outside on a particular night

:38:44. > :38:48.and they had the evidence but in fact they did not have any clients,

:38:49. > :38:53.that night. So the police are not being straightforward, and we think

:38:54. > :38:58.there is something else behind it. What do you think? They are probably

:38:59. > :39:03.getting money in order to do these trafficking rates. That is what we

:39:04. > :39:07.think. You think there is an incentive to do this? There is an

:39:08. > :39:09.incentive to do this, and they should be leading women alone so

:39:10. > :39:16.that they can work together safely without fear of arrest. That has to

:39:17. > :39:22.be the way that the police go. Let's get a response to that. There is

:39:23. > :39:28.most sinister element to our approach to dealing with sex workers

:39:29. > :39:31.or pop-up brothels. -- there is no sinister element. It is a victim

:39:32. > :39:37.centred. The approach from the police is to visit rather than to

:39:38. > :39:41.raid a pop-up brothel and, when we do visit, we have a caring and

:39:42. > :39:47.compassionate approach. We go along and most of the visits are planned

:39:48. > :39:51.and structured and our intention when we go there is to safeguard and

:39:52. > :39:55.operate on a compassionate and victim centred approach. And that

:39:56. > :40:00.includes signposting sex workers to various aid agencies and doing

:40:01. > :40:06.everything we can to find out if they are the subject of modern

:40:07. > :40:10.slavery and sex trafficking. As I said, we have moved on in Leeds and

:40:11. > :40:14.bounds in the last decades and our overall approach is far removed from

:40:15. > :40:20.what it used to be, arrest and prosecution, and now it is a

:40:21. > :40:22.question of welfare. We are going to have to move on. Thank you for

:40:23. > :40:24.coming in. Any remaining scepticism

:40:25. > :40:25.about climate change must be at vanishing point,

:40:26. > :40:28.when you see what's happening to the oceans -

:40:29. > :40:31.so says Sir David Attenborough, who's back on our screens

:40:32. > :40:33.this Sunday with another

:40:34. > :40:34.series of Blue Planet. He talked about the fragility

:40:35. > :40:39.of the ocean, the threats it faces, and the remarkable communication

:40:40. > :40:42.between sea life, and exploding lakes of methane gas,

:40:43. > :40:45.when he sat down for an interview with our science

:40:46. > :40:50.editor David Shukman. Hidden beneath the waves, right

:40:51. > :40:53.beneath my feet there are creatures It's always said we know

:40:54. > :41:05.more about the moon Is that really true and do you think

:41:06. > :41:15.this adventure shows that? This world is infinitely more

:41:16. > :41:17.complex than anything we've discovered out in the universe

:41:18. > :41:20.as far as I know. The degree of complexity

:41:21. > :41:24.of what we need to know or do know about the moon and Mars are not very

:41:25. > :41:28.great actually because there are no life, there's no complex communities

:41:29. > :41:30.of life to know things Do you think we will ever reach

:41:31. > :41:40.a point where we do know enough or is there always going to be

:41:41. > :41:45.a journey of curiosity and enquiry? As far as I can see,

:41:46. > :41:49.what we are discovering is almost always that the world is more

:41:50. > :41:51.intricate, more wonderful, more David, you have been involved

:41:52. > :42:04.in so many documentary series and this one,

:42:05. > :42:06.I've seen the first episode, What, for you, is the most startling

:42:07. > :42:11.revelation if you like about this I think it's the degree

:42:12. > :42:20.to which marine animals communicate with one another,

:42:21. > :42:22.not only individually within A mother walrus still needs to find

:42:23. > :42:36.a place where her young can rest. There was a very moving scene

:42:37. > :42:42.in episode one of a walrus mother trying to get her calf onto a piece

:42:43. > :42:45.of ice and there wasn't much left What is your sense about the scale

:42:46. > :42:49.and rate of change in, I think any sceptics

:42:50. > :42:57.that there were ten years ago, 20 years ago, about global warming

:42:58. > :43:00.and so on, climate change, and there were lots,

:43:01. > :43:03.must surely be diminishing, almost to vanishing point when you

:43:04. > :43:12.see the evidence we have collected. World scientists around the world

:43:13. > :43:14.have collected And the fact we are

:43:15. > :43:19.responsible for that. What is it that motivates

:43:20. > :43:24.you to remain engaged at this active This amazing panoply of astonishment

:43:25. > :43:40.and beauty and intricacy and wonder Discovery in the natural world

:43:41. > :43:48.is just a never ending delight. The extraordinary behaviours

:43:49. > :43:51.of all these creatures doing so, they are all so beautiful

:43:52. > :43:54.and extraordinary and so unlike anything else

:43:55. > :43:58.we encounter on our dry land. The world of the underwater

:43:59. > :44:02.is just amazing. Sir David Attenborough

:44:03. > :44:03.talking to our science Next this morning, in an incredibly

:44:04. > :44:23.rare interview we can hear now from an active FBI undercover agent

:44:24. > :44:26.who was able to infiltrate himself inside an Al-Qaeda linked cell

:44:27. > :44:29.and prevent the bombing of the New York-Toronto

:44:30. > :44:30.railway line. His story is published today under

:44:31. > :44:33.the pseudonym of Tamer El-Noury. His words have been revoiced

:44:34. > :44:35.to protect his identity. He was talking to

:44:36. > :44:40.Scott Pelley at CBS. It starts that morning

:44:41. > :44:42.that I'm travelling. I assume I'm travelling

:44:43. > :44:45.covertly in alias. I take a shower and I put on -

:44:46. > :44:48.for this case I put And I drive to the beach and I sit

:44:49. > :45:05.at the beach and I talk to myself out loud like a crazy person

:45:06. > :45:08.reciting everything there is to know about Tamer El-Noury,

:45:09. > :45:10.his company, his family, The FBI created a history

:45:11. > :45:19.for Tamer El-Noury, an online presence and actual office

:45:20. > :45:21.for his investment company, where a receptionist

:45:22. > :45:23.answered the phone. There were ownership

:45:24. > :45:25.records, a home, fake IDs and critical to the legend,

:45:26. > :45:27.there was a false personal tragedy. El-Noury's fake background said

:45:28. > :45:29.that his mother had died of neglect in a US hospital

:45:30. > :45:32.because of anti-Muslim That lie completed the picture

:45:33. > :45:49.of a wealthy Arab American Chiheb Esseghaier thought

:45:50. > :45:58.that his new friend was made to order which,

:45:59. > :46:00.of course, he was. Esseghaier twisted the Koran

:46:01. > :46:04.to justify attacking the West. He admitted that his trips

:46:05. > :46:06.to Iran were for meetings Surveillance showed that Esseghaier

:46:07. > :46:13.was checking Tamer El-Noury's back story and one night in a basement

:46:14. > :46:16.in Toronto, El-Noury Was grilled This interrogation was so sharp

:46:17. > :46:38.El-Noury feared that his He analysed the room

:46:39. > :46:42.in case he had to escape. But the cop within you had

:46:43. > :46:44.figured out where the exit was and had decided what order

:46:45. > :46:47.he was going to shoot the people As you get older and slower,

:46:48. > :46:56.you realise you always go That was a rare interview

:46:57. > :47:06.with an active FBI undercover agent who infiltrated himself

:47:07. > :47:08.inside an Al-Qaeda linked cell. Meanwhile, a government minister has

:47:09. > :47:11.said the "only way" to deal with British IS fighters in Syria

:47:12. > :47:13.is "in almost every Rory Stewart, a Foreign Office

:47:14. > :47:22.Minister, says converts to so-called Islamic State believed

:47:23. > :47:24.in an "extremely hateful doctrine" and had moved away from any

:47:25. > :47:26.allegiance to Britain. This is what Rory Stewart

:47:27. > :47:30.told BBC 5 Live. I don't think anybody should be

:47:31. > :47:33.in any doubt these are people who have essentially moved away

:47:34. > :47:35.from any kind of allegiance They are absolutely dedicated

:47:36. > :47:39.as members of Islamic State They believe in an extremely hateful

:47:40. > :47:48.doctrine which involves killing themselves and killing others

:47:49. > :47:50.and trying to use violence and brutality to create an eighth

:47:51. > :47:52.century or seventh century state. So I'm afraid we have to be serious

:47:53. > :47:56.about the fact these people are a serious danger to us

:47:57. > :47:58.and unfortunately the only way of dealing with them,

:47:59. > :48:00.in almost every case, Or should Brits who join

:48:01. > :48:33.through "naiveity" be allowed Thank you for taking the time to

:48:34. > :48:38.speak to us. What do you make of the comments in light of what your

:48:39. > :48:42.family has been through? They are very uneducated, dangerous, blanket

:48:43. > :48:47.generalised statements, by putting out statementsches that level of

:48:48. > :48:50.violence, and generalising it over everybody who has joined these

:48:51. > :48:56.organisations without the individualty of each case you are

:48:57. > :49:05.creating hypocrisy in wondering who is the more evil of the two groups

:49:06. > :49:11.Government or these extreme mist groups by stating just kill them

:49:12. > :49:15.all. Colonel Bob Stewart speak to Christian. Did you know your son was

:49:16. > :49:20.going out to the Middle East, if you did, did you try and stop him? I had

:49:21. > :49:25.no idea he was going out to the Middle East. This was 2012 and my

:49:26. > :49:30.Government decided it was not up to me to try to stop him, so didn't

:49:31. > :49:37.inform me of the information they had all this time.

:49:38. > :49:45.Was he fighting against the, against us, when he was killed? When he went

:49:46. > :49:48.over he went over with Al-Nusra and changed over to IS. He was fighting

:49:49. > :49:52.against Bashar al-Assad for what he thought was the right thing to do

:49:53. > :49:55.because of the torture, on the women and children, that nobody else was

:49:56. > :50:01.doing anything about. In his mind, that is the reason he went. It

:50:02. > :50:04.wasn't about brutality, or killing everybody, or anything else and

:50:05. > :50:08.there are a lot of youth over there, children, women, that are there for

:50:09. > :50:11.different reasons, that aren't necessarily there to kill everybody

:50:12. > :50:16.in sight just because that is what they must do. Did he communicate

:50:17. > :50:22.back to you and tell you this? Absolutely. We communicated on a

:50:23. > :50:26.regular basis on the telephone, right up until he changed over the

:50:27. > :50:31.IS and communications became strained. So he realised yeast was

:50:32. > :50:37.an enemy of this country -- IS was an enemy of this country. He didn't

:50:38. > :50:41.say that. Not once did he say they were an enemy, nor am I defending

:50:42. > :50:47.their action, I am not defending anybody's actions when it comes to

:50:48. > :50:50.violence, I am saying to make a broad statement, uneducated and

:50:51. > :50:55.creating more danger at those youth that are sitting on the fence,

:50:56. > :50:59.without reaching out, by creating an environment of hostility on both

:51:00. > :51:02.sides, makes it very difficult for the youth to decide who is right and

:51:03. > :51:06.who is wrong. Unfortunately they have got off the fence, they have

:51:07. > :51:10.gone and they are fighting and they are killing people, by their

:51:11. > :51:15.actions, this is, this is a real problem. Our problem is if we allow

:51:16. > :51:20.such people back, can we trust them? I mean, I have actually been on the

:51:21. > :51:25.ground on operations and seen this, they change. I agree. There is a lot

:51:26. > :51:30.of things there, but we let them go, we let this happen. Our community,

:51:31. > :51:35.we are failing our communities the and our youth. Until we start make

:51:36. > :51:39.changes ourselves and the way we start integrating programmes for

:51:40. > :51:47.youth and giving them a voice where they can be heard and stop dealing

:51:48. > :51:50.with hypocrisy s how can they make informed decisions properly,

:51:51. > :51:54.especially when representatives of our Government are making uneducated

:51:55. > :51:59.statements themselves and general hiding is proving their point. You

:52:00. > :52:02.are aiding these extremists in their arguments by saying these

:52:03. > :52:10.statements. I am not saying anything is right or wrong in this case, in

:52:11. > :52:15.the... Forgive me for jumping in, tell me, if your son hadn't been

:52:16. > :52:23.killed, fighting for Islamic State and he decided he wanted to return

:52:24. > :52:26.home, do you feel he would have been safe to return home, or do you feel

:52:27. > :52:30.he would have posed a threat to society? Very difficult to say. I

:52:31. > :52:34.mean unless you sit down with each individual as to where they are at

:52:35. > :52:38.in their own ideological process, we have heard of many youth that get

:52:39. > :52:43.over there, that realise it is not what they expected. They want to

:52:44. > :52:46.escape but they are not allowed to, there are so many other conditions

:52:47. > :52:51.we don't necessarily understand for each case, I would expect him to go

:52:52. > :52:54.straight into prison, absolutely, without a doubt. There would need to

:52:55. > :52:58.be some assessments and everything else, in this case, we also have to

:52:59. > :53:01.look at women and children that are there, that were brought

:53:02. > :53:05.unwillingly, that were forced, some of the young children at this point

:53:06. > :53:10.have been indoctrinated but that mean we don't give them a chance

:53:11. > :53:13.again? They are ten, 11 years old, do we create that blanket statement

:53:14. > :53:17.for them as well? They could be dangerous too. Unless we reach out

:53:18. > :53:26.and try to help them, how can we know? Colonel Bob Stewart respond to

:53:27. > :53:30.that point. The problem is, I have seen evidence, personally, in

:53:31. > :53:35.Africa, for example, in northern Uganda of children that have been

:53:36. > :53:39.taken by the Lords Liberation Army, brainwashed and they come back

:53:40. > :53:44.saying all the well, they go back to their families and they turn guns on

:53:45. > :53:48.them. I just, I am sorry but we have got to be extremely careful. When

:53:49. > :53:51.someone deliberately goes against his background here, or her

:53:52. > :53:55.background here, and says you know, this is awful I'm going to a much

:53:56. > :54:00.better place, they go to the much better place and they pick up arms

:54:01. > :54:04.against us, I am afraid we ought to look at this and say frankly I don't

:54:05. > :54:09.trust this person, and I'm not sure I want them back in my society.

:54:10. > :54:12.I agree we have to be cautious, without a doubt we have to be

:54:13. > :54:16.cautious, it is not like we are just going to let them in and say live

:54:17. > :54:20.your life pick up where you left off. Hopefully we are intelligent

:54:21. > :54:24.enough to sit with them and determine, are we saying we don't

:54:25. > :54:30.have that level of intelligence and education to deal with the problem

:54:31. > :54:36.appropriately? I just... We have a problem. How many people did your

:54:37. > :54:41.son kill. Do you know how many people your son killed? I have no

:54:42. > :54:45.idea. Honestly. There we are. I couldn't begin to tell you. I am

:54:46. > :54:50.extremely cautious about allowing people back in to our society, who

:54:51. > :54:54.have rejected us absolutely, and frankly, we have got good evidence

:54:55. > :54:58.of them going against and killing women and children, in our own

:54:59. > :55:04.country, so why the heck should we take such a risk? I agree we should

:55:05. > :55:08.be cautious but again that blanket statement, by stating we are going

:55:09. > :55:13.to fight violence with violence and killing is OK, how can you turn

:55:14. > :55:17.round to say to the extremist, the killing is not OK. It doesn't matter

:55:18. > :55:20.we are a member of a government or community, it doesn't make it easy

:55:21. > :55:25.for youth to distinguish right from wrong when we are making the same

:55:26. > :55:29.statements but saying it is OK for us to do it but not them. What I am

:55:30. > :55:33.saying here is that we have to be very cautious about a rhetoric, we

:55:34. > :55:37.have to be cautious about what we are putting throughout in the

:55:38. > :55:42.public, and how it is being viewed and seen. By making those types of

:55:43. > :55:46.statement it is very dangerous and push those youth that are still at

:55:47. > :55:52.home, sitting down not sure about what direction what path they are

:55:53. > :55:58.taking, can be a motivational push to take the choice of that extremist

:55:59. > :56:01.view. That is what these types of statements, uneducated statements,

:56:02. > :56:06.dangerous statements. They are not uneducated. Can I ask you Colonel

:56:07. > :56:13.Bob Stewart if there are naive vulnerable young people who went

:56:14. > :56:19.over to join so-called Islamist sla, why can't they come hope and be put

:56:20. > :56:23.in prison Why is the British Government is suggesting a country

:56:24. > :56:27.where we don't have the death penalty it is OK to fight them. I

:56:28. > :56:31.think Rory was referring to people that are still fighting, that is the

:56:32. > :56:37.way I would interpret that, if you are still fighting, you are actually

:56:38. > :56:40.in a combat situation. I don't think that we were actual, he was

:56:41. > :56:44.referring to people that got out. We have to deal with them in a

:56:45. > :56:48.civilised way. We don't have the death penalty. They shouldn't be

:56:49. > :56:54.shot on sight, of course not. But we should deal with people that get

:56:55. > :56:58.back to this country and please stay there, but if they get back to this

:56:59. > :57:02.country, we have to deal with them in accordance with our laws and as

:57:03. > :57:07.humanly as possible. I don't like them coming back, I prefer them to

:57:08. > :57:11.stay because I don't trust them. There are a lot of people in society

:57:12. > :57:18.we don't trust, there are a lot of... Not necessarily just in the

:57:19. > :57:22.extremist ideological view, we see that on a daily basis we can't start

:57:23. > :57:27.saying we don't trust everybody because that creates division. We

:57:28. > :57:34.don't trust people that have gone to fight for IS. We don't trust... Not

:57:35. > :57:37.making these choice, we need to start supporting people that have

:57:38. > :57:41.mental health issue, we need to provide that which we are no longer

:57:42. > :57:46.doing and that... You are broadening out the subject. I am sad your boy

:57:47. > :57:50.has been killed. I am very sad about that. I wish he hasn't been. He was

:57:51. > :57:53.fighting for IS and they are an enemy of this country. I accept

:57:54. > :57:59.that, he put himself in the position. Thank you both for joining

:58:00. > :58:02.us. A Scottish man who was sentenced to

:58:03. > :58:09.three months in jail for touching man's hip in a Dubai bar has had the

:58:10. > :58:13.case against him dropped. 27-year-old Jamie harrow was charged

:58:14. > :58:15.with public indecency so we are getting that information reaching us

:58:16. > :58:19.from Dubai, on the programme tomorrow we are looking at how drugs

:58:20. > :58:22.gangs are targeting vulnerable people in market towns to work as

:58:23. > :58:34.drug runners for them. Thanks for your company today.

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