24/10/2017

:00:09. > :00:11.Hello, it's Tuesday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Tina Daheley,

:00:12. > :00:19.Criminal gangs are trafficking thousands of children from London

:00:20. > :00:22.around the country to sell drugs - a leading charity has

:00:23. > :00:27.Kids as young as 12 are used to transport and sell the drugs -

:00:28. > :00:30.a practice known by the police as County Lines, or cuckooing.

:00:31. > :00:31.We've spoken exclusively to two young people

:00:32. > :00:44.It could have led to me being arrested, getting kill, I felt lucky

:00:45. > :00:48.Disabled people are losing out on jobs because a government support

:00:49. > :00:51.scheme, aimed at helping disabled people with physical and mental

:00:52. > :00:53.health conditions work is no longer fit for purpose,

:00:54. > :00:55.campaigners and recipients have told this programme.

:00:56. > :00:57.They say the Access to Work programme is beset by errors,

:00:58. > :01:13.The thought of having to cut my hour, I could feel me shrinking,

:01:14. > :01:15.becoming a small person and feeling quite terrified about what my future

:01:16. > :01:21.In his latest film, Breathe, Andrew Garfield plays

:01:22. > :01:24.Robin Cavendish, who became tethered to a breathing machine in order

:01:25. > :01:27.to stay alive after contracting polio in the 1950s aged just 28.

:01:28. > :01:30.With the love and support of his wife Diana, played by Claire Foy,

:01:31. > :01:33.Robin broke free and changed not only his life, but that of disabled

:01:34. > :01:37.We will be speaking to Diana, and her and Robin's son Jonathan,

:01:38. > :01:45.who is the producer of this moving true story.

:01:46. > :01:59.I don't want to go on living here... What are we waiting for?

:02:00. > :02:13.Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning.

:02:14. > :02:16.Also, as hundreds of teachers, support staff and parents join

:02:17. > :02:19.a mass lobby of parliament today, in a bid to persuade the government

:02:20. > :02:22.to give schools more funding, we talk to parents who say

:02:23. > :02:25.And we'd love to hear what you've got to say -

:02:26. > :02:28.have you been asked to pay for something that used to be

:02:29. > :02:32.Or do you feel the opposite and that your school

:02:33. > :02:37.Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning -

:02:38. > :02:40.use the hashtag Victoria LIVe, and if you text, you will be charged

:02:41. > :02:53.Hospitals in England could carry out 280,000 extra operations a year

:02:54. > :02:55.just by making better use of operating theatres.

:02:56. > :02:57.Analysis by the watchdog NHS Improvement, due

:02:58. > :02:59.out later this week, suggests that an average of 2 hours

:03:00. > :03:02.a day are lost in operating theatres because of late starts

:03:03. > :03:10.Waiting lists for routine operations are growing and there's a continuing

:03:11. > :03:13.debate over whether more money is needed for the NHS or whether it

:03:14. > :03:18.Now analysis by a health regulator seen by the BBC suggests that more

:03:19. > :03:22.patients could be treated in operating theatres.

:03:23. > :03:25.NHS Improvement looked at non-urgent surgery at 100 trusts

:03:26. > :03:29.It says 1.64 million operations were carried out,

:03:30. > :03:32.but an extra 280,000 more could have taken place and on average,

:03:33. > :03:34.there was about 140 minutes of unused operating theatre

:03:35. > :03:45.Reducing late starts, early finishes and last minute

:03:46. > :03:48.cancellations would have made a big difference according to

:03:49. > :03:51.the regulator, but the Royal College of Surgeons says it's

:03:52. > :03:56.I think the NHS can always be more efficient and I think people have

:03:57. > :04:00.worked very hard to try to make it more efficient and I think we should

:04:01. > :04:02.continue to work very hard to make it more efficient,

:04:03. > :04:05.but I don't think those efficiency savings are going to resolve

:04:06. > :04:07.the ever increasing demand that is being put

:04:08. > :04:13.NHS Improvement says it hopes the research will enable hospitals

:04:14. > :04:15.to identify bottlenecks in their system, to ensure

:04:16. > :04:17.operations are scheduled more appropriately and more patients

:04:18. > :04:42.These figures sound pretty bad, what is the full picture? Tina, it is a

:04:43. > :04:46.very varied picture, this analysis by NHS improvement suggests that a

:04:47. > :04:53.lot more operations could be done, but thaw is the average, 280,000

:04:54. > :04:57.more at 100 trusts that were looked at last year. There are some example

:04:58. > :05:01.of good practise, where they have worked to try to fit in more

:05:02. > :05:06.patient, that is what it is about, patients who have waited a long time

:05:07. > :05:10.for routine surgery and often it is delayed further and yet more

:05:11. > :05:14.operations could carried out but it seems it is down to late start,

:05:15. > :05:18.early finish, often the surgical team system there but the patient

:05:19. > :05:22.isn't ready, hasn't been brought in at the beginning of the operating

:05:23. > :05:25.list or there could be a last minute cancellation and that go back to

:05:26. > :05:28.preparing the patients more. What they are saying is they could do

:05:29. > :05:34.better and there are ways of doing better to maximise the amount of the

:05:35. > :05:38.time they use. What response can we expect? The Royal College of

:05:39. > :05:43.Surgeons was tentative they are anxious not to be seen to be the

:05:44. > :05:47.recipient of criticism, it is not surgeons who are not criticised for

:05:48. > :05:52.working hard enough, they know there could be more efficiency, they are

:05:53. > :05:55.saying it's a wired problem you have beds occupied by medically fit

:05:56. > :05:58.patients and they can't leave because of social care problems so

:05:59. > :06:03.the beds aren't available for the patients coming out of the operating

:06:04. > :06:06.theatres so they say it a wired problem and demand is rising and

:06:07. > :06:11.more money is needed. With all the talk of more money being needed for

:06:12. > :06:15.the NHS, and also could it be more efficient, this is an interesting

:06:16. > :06:19.contribution, waiting lists are rising, it is all about getting

:06:20. > :06:21.patients the care they need. Thank you Huw.

:06:22. > :06:24.Reeta is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

:06:25. > :06:29.Police in England and Wales have been accused of letting down victims

:06:30. > :06:31.of modern slavery at every stage - in a scathing report

:06:32. > :06:35.The Inspectorate found that cases had been closed without any

:06:36. > :06:37.enquiries being made, and in some instances detectives

:06:38. > :06:45.Police say they fully accept the recommendations in the report

:06:46. > :06:48.The police have got lots of techniques, lots of methods,

:06:49. > :06:52.When they deal with drug dealing, for example,

:06:53. > :06:57.They need to start using the resources they have got and find

:06:58. > :06:59.out who's doing this, who is the master mind behind it

:07:00. > :07:13.We will have more on that few minutes when we hear how children

:07:14. > :07:15.will being exploited and trafficked by gangs.

:07:16. > :07:18.The reporting of crimes such as cyberbullying,

:07:19. > :07:21.trolling and online harassment has increased by 85% in the last two

:07:22. > :07:23.years, according to figures obtained by the BBC.

:07:24. > :07:25.More than 200 malicious communication offences are recorded

:07:26. > :07:27.every day by Police forces in England and Wales,

:07:28. > :07:29.but the officer leading the fight against digital crime says

:07:30. > :07:43.This is live.me, a video streaming app.

:07:44. > :07:46.Victoria from Leeds uses it to chat online, but last year she started

:07:47. > :07:50.Photos of her home were posted online and she was dared to try

:07:51. > :07:53.One user threatened to force himself on her.

:07:54. > :07:56.She was even told "go kill yourself" and her address was posted

:07:57. > :08:12.Like I used to be an outgoing person and now I'm just getting there,

:08:13. > :08:21.With more people using smartphones and social media, police

:08:22. > :08:23.are getting more reports of malicious

:08:24. > :08:26.That can include threats sent by online trolls,

:08:27. > :08:31.abusive text messages, pornographic images

:08:32. > :08:41.Research by the BBC has found more than 200 offences are being recorded

:08:42. > :08:43.by police in England and Wales every day.

:08:44. > :08:48.The number has risen by 85% over the past two years.

:08:49. > :08:52.I think this is the tip of an iceberg.

:08:53. > :08:54.I think as policing and society changes into the digital age,

:08:55. > :08:57.this is only going to increase and providers, government,

:08:58. > :09:00.law enforcement and users all need to get ready how we protect people

:09:01. > :09:02.more effectively and then how we bring the criminals to justice.

:09:03. > :09:05.With the support of her family, Victoria is slowly getting

:09:06. > :09:17.So far no one has been arrested over the threats she received.

:09:18. > :09:19.Disability campaigners have criticised a key government scheme

:09:20. > :09:21.which helps deaf and disabled people in the workplace

:09:22. > :09:24.The scheme provides support for people with disabilities

:09:25. > :09:27.beyond what employers are obliged to do by law.

:09:28. > :09:30.But a new report seen by this programme says Access to Work -

:09:31. > :09:32.once hailed as the most successful programme of its type -

:09:33. > :09:35.is beset by errors, delays and is being hit by a government

:09:36. > :09:39.The Government says it's "committed to supporting disabled people to get

:09:40. > :09:53.A 53-year old man is due in court today charged in connection

:09:54. > :09:56.with an armed siege that lasted 4 hours at a bowling alley in Nuneaton

:09:57. > :10:04.David Clark is charged with false imprisonment, criminal damage,

:10:05. > :10:08.and possessing a blade and an imitation firearm.

:10:09. > :10:11.The President of the European Commission, Jean Claude Juncker,

:10:12. > :10:14.has said that he believes the EU and Britain will reach

:10:15. > :10:21.He's been speaking in the last few minutes in Strasbourg.

:10:22. > :10:31.What should I say about Brexit? I would like to say that the

:10:32. > :10:36.Commission is not negotiating in an hostile mood. We want a deal. Those

:10:37. > :10:41.who don't want a deal, the no dealer, they have no friends in the

:10:42. > :10:45.Commission, we want a fair deal. And we will have a fair deal with

:10:46. > :10:49.Britain. The no deal is not our working assumption. Thank you.

:10:50. > :10:53.A British former assistant of Harvey Weinstein says

:10:54. > :10:55.she was paid ?125,000 to keep quiet after accusing the movie mogul

:10:56. > :10:58.Zelda Perkins told the Financial Times she signed

:10:59. > :11:00.a non-disclosure agreement in 1998 after making the accusations.

:11:01. > :11:03.She said Weinstein asked her to give him massages and tried

:11:04. > :11:06.Weinstein has denied any allegations of non-consensual

:11:07. > :11:19.Two women charged with killing Kim Jong-nam, the half-brother

:11:20. > :11:20.of North Korea's leader, are revisiting the crime

:11:21. > :11:23.Indonesian Siti Aisyah and Vietnamese Doan Thi Huong

:11:24. > :11:26.were at Kuala Lumpur airport on Tuesday.

:11:27. > :11:29.The pair are accused of rubbing the highly toxic VX nerve agent

:11:30. > :11:31.on Mr Kim's face as he waited for a flight.

:11:32. > :11:34.They have pleaded not guilty to murder, saying it was a TV prank

:11:35. > :11:42.and they were tricked by North Korean agents.

:11:43. > :11:45.The Labour MP who defeated Nick Clegg in this year's general

:11:46. > :11:47.election, Jared O'Mara, has apologised for using what's been

:11:48. > :12:00.described as "vile" and "horrendous" language in the past.

:12:01. > :12:02.Mr O'Mara said he was a sexist and homophobic young man

:12:03. > :12:05.when he made the comments posted online in 2002 and 2004, but says

:12:06. > :12:09.He's not been suspended from the party but has stood down

:12:10. > :12:11.from the Women and Equalities Committee.

:12:12. > :12:13.An extremely rare ?1.5 million supercar was badly damaged after it

:12:14. > :12:15.smashed into a crash barrier in West Sussex.

:12:16. > :12:18.The Pagani Zonda, which has a top speed of more than 200mph,

:12:19. > :12:20.crashed on the A27 at Tangmere on Saturday morning.

:12:21. > :12:23.Sussex Police said the driver was not injured but the "one-off"

:12:24. > :12:25.Italian-made car was left with "significant damage".

:12:26. > :12:28.It is thought the car was travelling in a convoy of sports cars

:12:29. > :12:35.at the time and police have appealed for witnesses.

:12:36. > :12:56.That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30.

:12:57. > :12:59.Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

:13:00. > :13:02.use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and if you text, you will be charged

:13:03. > :13:05.Let's get some sport with Jessica Creighton.

:13:06. > :13:11.Jess, Cristiano Ronaldo picked up more silverware last night.

:13:12. > :13:19.Yes, good morning. Ronaldo must be running out of space. As you say

:13:20. > :13:24.another award for the Real Madrid and Portugal star. This time it was

:13:25. > :13:28.the best awards, the best male Player of the Year. Voted for by

:13:29. > :13:33.international player, the coaches, fans and the media. What a year he

:13:34. > :13:39.has had. He has won the Champions League and the cup and league double

:13:40. > :13:44.in Spain, he beat Messi of Barcelona to the award and Neymar of PSG who

:13:45. > :13:52.he thanked in his accept tan speech. Thank you a lot, the guys who are

:13:53. > :13:56.voting on me, I mention Neymar. APPLAUSE

:13:57. > :14:02.I am really glad this is a great moment for me, I know I have fans

:14:03. > :14:07.all over the world, so thank you a lot for the support.

:14:08. > :14:10.APPLAUSE The women's award was won by a Dutch

:14:11. > :14:14.player. They won the European Championships of course this summer

:14:15. > :14:19.and she was the top goal scorer, so very well deserved to her.

:14:20. > :14:26.In terms of British success Celtic won the best fans award.

:14:27. > :14:33.Let us talk jobbed. A few names in the frame for the vacant Everton

:14:34. > :14:38.manager's job. My man whose has kick add football is often linked. We

:14:39. > :14:43.they that David Unsworth in charge of the under 23s will take temporary

:14:44. > :14:46.charge. He has a big first match against the Premier League champions

:14:47. > :14:51.Chelsea, that is in the League Cup tomorrow. Let us look at the other

:14:52. > :14:55.names in the frame. Could there be a return for David Moyes? He had a

:14:56. > :15:01.successful period at the club but a pretty hard time since he left. He

:15:02. > :15:05.is well-known to the fans and the hierarchy, Sean Dyche, another name

:15:06. > :15:09.in the frame. Thought to be one of the hot favourites. He has done a

:15:10. > :15:15.brilliant job at Burnley. They are up to eighth. Sam Allardyce, he

:15:16. > :15:20.didn't last long as England manager just one game, he is known for

:15:21. > :15:23.getting teams out of sticky situations, and finally, Carlo

:15:24. > :15:26.Ancelotti. Probably the biggest name linked to this job. He is a three

:15:27. > :15:31.time Champions League winner and more importantly, he is not in a job

:15:32. > :15:35.at the moment, after leaving Bayern Munich. Whoever takes charge they

:15:36. > :15:39.have a massive it is aing on their hands. Everton are bottom of their

:15:40. > :15:42.group in the Europa League, in the bottom three in the Premier League

:15:43. > :15:44.and they are without a win in five. So whoever comes in has serious work

:15:45. > :15:48.to do. Thousands of children from London

:15:49. > :15:54.are being exploited and trafficked around the country by gangs to sell

:15:55. > :15:57.drugs - that's according The police call this 'county lines'

:15:58. > :16:01.- gangs use children as young as 12 to traffic drugs,

:16:02. > :16:03.using dedicated mobile Speaking to this programme,

:16:04. > :16:09.the government's anti-slavery commissioner has described those

:16:10. > :16:11.figures as "shocking" - and the Home Office has announced

:16:12. > :16:14.a ?300,000 fund to help charities provide support to young people

:16:15. > :16:17.caught up in county lines activity. Last year, the National Crime Agency

:16:18. > :16:19.described it as a 'national problem', with around 70% of forces

:16:20. > :16:22.reporting they were dealing We've been speaking to two former

:16:23. > :16:25.teenage drug runners We've disguised their

:16:26. > :16:28.identities and their voices I got involved through friends,

:16:29. > :16:33.seeing friends come back They were telling me about it like,

:16:34. > :16:45.they were like, "It's an easy way of making

:16:46. > :16:47.money", things like that. Feeling, having a family

:16:48. > :16:50.that you ain't got. Being around people that are older

:16:51. > :16:53.than you and they're Inner-city gangs are using

:16:54. > :17:01.children to move drugs to Kids as young as 12 set up

:17:02. > :17:07.in a vulnerable drug They sell drugs worth

:17:08. > :17:16.thousands of pounds a day. This is the story of two former

:17:17. > :17:29.teenage drug runners. We have protected their identities

:17:30. > :17:32.because their lives are still The first time was like,

:17:33. > :17:51.I think it was like a week, The longest was

:17:52. > :17:56.probably like a month. All I did was stay in the house,

:17:57. > :18:01.then people came to me. You could have like three

:18:02. > :18:05.at the door at the And managing the money,

:18:06. > :18:12.managing drugs, it was hectic. The first night I was a bit,

:18:13. > :18:24."OK, this is different." But from the time you see the money,

:18:25. > :18:34.you're thinking, "OK, I can just bear a bit more like,

:18:35. > :18:37.I can just turn and hold a bit Probably about two grand

:18:38. > :18:47.a month, probably. I actually didn't have

:18:48. > :19:00.a place to stay, where I had to stay in a graveyard

:19:01. > :19:05.for a whole night. I remember looking at the stars and

:19:06. > :19:08.I saw a question mark, literally. The first house I was

:19:09. > :19:12.in was all right. So like yeah, it

:19:13. > :19:17.kept me preoccupied. But the two houses I was

:19:18. > :19:20.in the other time, no, The second two times

:19:21. > :19:30.I was hesitant with the money and stuff, just

:19:31. > :19:35.in case they took it. That's one of the reasons

:19:36. > :19:38.why I never slept. Some people had like knives

:19:39. > :19:40.and things like that. I had a knife with me,

:19:41. > :19:42.so I felt all right, Yeah, yeah, there's

:19:43. > :19:45.always a risk every day. I remember once I had drugs

:19:46. > :19:49.and also I had a knife, a That probably could put me

:19:50. > :19:54.in like a minimum of two years. With my family, I told them

:19:55. > :20:03.I was staying with a friend because Sometimes I used to come back

:20:04. > :20:08.for like a couple of But sometimes I would come back,

:20:09. > :20:14.probably go to school and do what I But then straightaway

:20:15. > :20:17.I would go back again. It would get to a point

:20:18. > :20:24.where I just disappeared. I thought I was slick enough

:20:25. > :20:27.to get away with it. But looking back on it now,

:20:28. > :20:30.I probably wouldn't have. But at the time I don't

:20:31. > :20:35.really think of it. I was thinking in

:20:36. > :20:37.the house no one will My background wasn't

:20:38. > :20:51.like as wealthy. You know, I had things

:20:52. > :20:54.I needed, not wanted. So all the things

:20:55. > :20:56.I wanted, yeah, but I Bought myself some

:20:57. > :21:06.new trainers and that. I was young so I didn't

:21:07. > :21:11.really know what to do. I just wanted clothes,

:21:12. > :21:14.money and things like that. And did you ever feel

:21:15. > :21:18.like you are being exploited? That age I didn't really recognise

:21:19. > :21:27.the risks, do you know I mean? Other druggies bringing

:21:28. > :21:30.in other druggies. It could be any moment

:21:31. > :21:33.and they could take And in that situation

:21:34. > :21:40.what can you really do? They want to be touched

:21:41. > :21:50.by that needle. There is a time where obviously

:21:51. > :21:55.you do make a mistake, where you're there, you're kind

:21:56. > :21:58.of worried, you're paranoid. It can be a loss of money,

:21:59. > :22:04.a loss of whatever. But when that happens

:22:05. > :22:10.you have to stay. You got to make sure

:22:11. > :22:13.that you make that money back.

:22:14. > :22:15.There's a point that happened to me. Like most of the time

:22:16. > :22:19.you get sent back. No one wanted to kill

:22:20. > :22:21.you because that says you're not Cos knowing what

:22:22. > :22:28.happens to like some weak kind of people,

:22:29. > :22:31.that can mess up their whole life. Once you do this kind

:22:32. > :22:37.of thing, like you can't be like, "Yeah,

:22:38. > :22:43.I want to stop now." They're still talking to me,

:22:44. > :22:53.they're trying to get at me and But I moved away from the area.

:22:54. > :22:58.So I think that helped me a lot to actually think about other

:22:59. > :23:01.things as well. And trying to make my life

:23:02. > :23:03.something else, not just being another number,

:23:04. > :23:08.do you know what I mean? It could have led to me getting

:23:09. > :23:11.arrested, me getting killed, So I felt lucky getting

:23:12. > :23:19.out when I could have. Earlier, I spoke to Kevin Hyland -

:23:20. > :23:21.the government's I asked him how big a problem county

:23:22. > :23:33.lines and cuckooing were. Well what we are finding is that we

:23:34. > :23:38.are starting to discover this more and more each day. I think it is a

:23:39. > :23:42.serious issue for the United Kingdom, where we have young

:23:43. > :23:45.children being used by organised criminals to traffic drugs or for

:23:46. > :23:50.sexual exploitation. We are starting to identify it, but I don't think we

:23:51. > :23:55.understand or are responding to the prevalence of this and we need to

:23:56. > :23:59.see more done. Do we have any idea of the scale of the problem and how

:24:00. > :24:04.many children are involved? Well that is the issue. Because we have

:24:05. > :24:09.not been looking at nit a collective way and looking at it for what it

:24:10. > :24:14.is, witch is serious -- which is serious crime. So we don't

:24:15. > :24:18.understand the scale. The issue of modern slavery we are starting to

:24:19. > :24:22.understand and this is a form of slavery. There could be many

:24:23. > :24:27.hundreds of county lines across the United Kingdom. Until we investigate

:24:28. > :24:29.them and the children who have been exploited are supported properly, we

:24:30. > :24:35.won't start to understand it in a way that can respond to the risks

:24:36. > :24:40.this creates. Why hasn't it been looked at, is it because it is

:24:41. > :24:44.something new? Partly it is something new, but it has been going

:24:45. > :24:49.on for a long while and it has been ignored in as much as many of the

:24:50. > :24:53.young people who are exploit rd just seen as problem children and they

:24:54. > :24:59.turn up in other parts of the country from where they live,

:25:00. > :25:03.carrying drugs or involved in sexual exploitation and they're just seen

:25:04. > :25:10.as problem children, instead of being seen as part of the gang's

:25:11. > :25:17.tools. They're being used as a commodity to move drugs and when you

:25:18. > :25:23.think of it as a crime group f you can get young people to move drugs,

:25:24. > :25:30.the chances of you getting caught are reduced. This is something that

:25:31. > :25:37.is making tens of millions for those who exploit children. Some people

:25:38. > :25:43.may be thinking, young drugs traffickers should be treated as

:25:44. > :25:52.criminals not victims. What would you say? No, that is not looking at

:25:53. > :25:56.theish issue, we have young British nationals who are being groomed. We

:25:57. > :25:59.have young children and it is our responsibility tolike after those

:26:00. > :26:06.children -- to look after those children who are being controlled by

:26:07. > :26:11.serious criminals to traffic drugs or other crime. It is our duty to

:26:12. > :26:14.look after the children and to actually pursue those who trade in

:26:15. > :26:18.suffering of young children. So we need to look at these children in

:26:19. > :26:23.the way that they need to be supported, the way they need to be

:26:24. > :26:29.diverted from these gangs and to take the fight to the criminals.

:26:30. > :26:33.Where do you draw the line, where do they stop becoming vulnerable and

:26:34. > :26:37.become criminals? You have to look at each case and see if they have

:26:38. > :26:41.the real ability to buy the drugs. When they go somewhere else and

:26:42. > :26:45.they're trading drugs for someone else, what is the control measures

:26:46. > :26:52.over those individuals. The issue of modern slavery in the wider context

:26:53. > :26:56.is about people being used as a commodity and these are young people

:26:57. > :26:59.who are vulnerable in the first place, often they're in care, they

:27:00. > :27:02.haven't got families that support them or they haven't got the

:27:03. > :27:07.opportunities that many of us have. And then the criminals move in and

:27:08. > :27:11.groom them. Once you meet these young people face to face and I

:27:12. > :27:15.have, and they come out of the other side, you realise for years we have

:27:16. > :27:19.been letting these people down. What is your response to a highly

:27:20. > :27:23.critical report out today which says police forces are failing to tackle

:27:24. > :27:27.modern slavery and trafficking, because the cases are too difficult

:27:28. > :27:33.and victims are unprotected, despite a rise in cases and also that senior

:27:34. > :27:40.officers believe there is a lack of sympathy for victims. That s. That

:27:41. > :27:44.report is very critical, things have moved on somewhat. But because of

:27:45. > :27:49.the issues that we are seeing with this, the police and the agencies

:27:50. > :27:53.are not seeing it for what it is. We are not seeing victims supported,

:27:54. > :27:59.not seeing the criminals pursued. That report identifies the fact that

:28:00. > :28:03.this has been looked upon as some sort of issue, a marginalised issue

:28:04. > :28:07.that is something outside of the criminal justice system. So it is

:28:08. > :28:11.the prejudices of police officers when it comes to the victim and

:28:12. > :28:15.their backgrounds. It is not just the police, sometimes it is that,

:28:16. > :28:17.sometimes it is the lack of understanding and sometimes the

:28:18. > :28:23.services that are available to victims. In the wider issue of

:28:24. > :28:28.slavery, the support for victims has been insufficient to meet their

:28:29. > :28:35.needs. That is something I have been pushing for. Even those that come

:28:36. > :28:39.forward, if you look at the over 3,000 cases last year we were only

:28:40. > :28:43.seeing one in four ever recorded as a crime and something I brought to

:28:44. > :28:48.the attention in my report was about how we needed to see more crimes and

:28:49. > :28:53.we did see an increase, because it was not even ending up in an

:28:54. > :28:59.investigation. So we need to see processes that are there for other

:29:00. > :29:04.crimes and other vulnerability and when we see that and the victims the

:29:05. > :29:09.supported and looked after not just for the period the national referral

:29:10. > :29:13.mechanism says, that is the Government-supported agencyings but

:29:14. > :29:19.if we see them supported until their recovery and we see the police

:29:20. > :29:25.pursue the criminals, we will see this report, the issues address. If

:29:26. > :29:30.it is just a marginal issue we won't see them addressed. Are there

:29:31. > :29:34.parallels with cases of child exploitation such as in Rotherham,

:29:35. > :29:39.are these children being groomed in the same way but for drugs? It is

:29:40. > :29:43.exactly the same. If we look at cases where there have been

:29:44. > :29:49.prosecutions, in Northumbria, where we saw the high profile case, where

:29:50. > :29:53.the Chief Constable there dealt with as serious organised crime and got

:29:54. > :29:58.some criticism for the tactics he used, but he looked at it as serious

:29:59. > :30:02.organised crime and his aim was to protect the children and pursue the

:30:03. > :30:08.criminals. So I think we need to take that learning, from the child

:30:09. > :30:13.sexual exploitation and domestic violence, look at how long it took

:30:14. > :30:20.us to respond to that. And let's take that and not make the same

:30:21. > :30:25.mistake and miss the victims. Are there similarities where police

:30:26. > :30:30.officers like in the Rotherham and agencies there, maybe reluctant to

:30:31. > :30:39.take action, because they're fearful of being accused of being racist?

:30:40. > :30:48.If we start talking about this for what it is, it is serious org

:30:49. > :30:54.organised crime of abuse, let us forget about the immigration status,

:30:55. > :30:59.the arguments about race, let us look at this vulnerable people, they

:31:00. > :31:05.are being traded as a commodity and we are talking about children, and

:31:06. > :31:09.what we need do is see the police respond to that as serious organised

:31:10. > :31:14.crime. The other issues round the political arguments whether this is

:31:15. > :31:17.a race issue or not, we need to pursue the criminals no matter where

:31:18. > :31:20.they are from, the UK is taking leadership on the issue of modern

:31:21. > :31:23.slavery, it doesn't matter where they come from, whether they come

:31:24. > :31:27.from the UK or they come from somewhere else in the world, let us

:31:28. > :31:31.pursue them for what they are, criminals, let us look after the

:31:32. > :31:36.victims. What should police do if they come across a child who is

:31:37. > :31:40.caught selling drugs, hundreds of miles away from home, what should

:31:41. > :31:44.they do? They need to make sure that child is safe. At the moment are

:31:45. > :31:50.they communicating with where that child is from. You know, sometimes

:31:51. > :31:55.it is very plain, can that child organise that kind of activity, can

:31:56. > :32:02.a child say that it originates from London and ends up in Yorkshire, can

:32:03. > :32:05.they raise that -- arrange that themselves, where would they have

:32:06. > :32:10.bought the drugs from. That is beyond their ability, so look at

:32:11. > :32:13.that, and then as the police, you make the decisions, you are the

:32:14. > :32:18.adults, you are the authorities and then work with you know, social

:32:19. > :32:23.service, child protection, look at the background of how that child got

:32:24. > :32:26.there, and then, see who is organising, organising it, work with

:32:27. > :32:30.the police force where that child is from, start to see if will is a

:32:31. > :32:34.picture, how many children are is turned up in your police force area,

:32:35. > :32:40.build a picture up that isn't relianten a child telling you the

:32:41. > :32:44.story, the police have got lots of technique, lots of methods, tactic,

:32:45. > :32:48.to gather evidence, when they deal with drug dealing for example, they

:32:49. > :32:52.don't have a victim. They need to start using the resources they have

:32:53. > :32:54.got and find out who is doing this, who is the mastermind behind it and

:32:55. > :33:08.prosecute them. We approached the Home Office

:33:09. > :33:10.for an interview but Minister for Crime, Safeguarding

:33:11. > :33:13.and Vulnerability, Sarah Newton, And you can hear much more this

:33:14. > :33:27.story on File on 4 - A report on how the Government's

:33:28. > :33:36.scheme to help disabled people into work has been criticised

:33:37. > :33:41.as being unfit for purpose. We have been talking to sop of those

:33:42. > :33:47.who rely on programme. And we speak to Jonathan Cavendish

:33:48. > :33:50.whose father needed a breathing machine after contracting polio

:33:51. > :33:53.in the 50s, and went on to change the lives of disabled

:33:54. > :33:54.people around the world. Jonathan has now produced a film

:33:55. > :34:02.bringing his father's Time for the latest

:34:03. > :34:13.news - here's Reeta. Hospitals in England could carry out

:34:14. > :34:16.280,000 extra operations a year just by making better use

:34:17. > :34:18.of operating theatres. Analysis by the regulator NHS

:34:19. > :34:20.Improvement suggests more than twohours a day on average

:34:21. > :34:22.are lost because of late Police in England and Wales have

:34:23. > :34:29.been accused of letting down victims of modern slavery at every stage -

:34:30. > :34:31.in a scathing report The Inspectorate found that cases

:34:32. > :34:36.had been closed without any enquiries being made,

:34:37. > :34:38.and in some instances detectives Police say they fully accept

:34:39. > :34:44.the recommendations in the report A British former assistant

:34:45. > :34:46.of Harvey Weinstein says she was paid ?125,000 to keep quiet

:34:47. > :34:49.after accusing the movie mogul Zelda Perkins told

:34:50. > :34:52.the Financial Times she signed a non-disclosure agreement in 1998

:34:53. > :34:54.after making the accusations. She said Weinstein asked her to give

:34:55. > :34:57.him massages and tried Weinstein has denied any

:34:58. > :34:59.allegations of non-consensual That's a summary of

:35:00. > :35:16.the latest BBC News. Ronaldo has been crowned

:35:17. > :35:21.the greatest player in the world He beat his great rival Lionel Messi

:35:22. > :35:25.of Barcelona and PSG's Neymar to the trophy,

:35:26. > :35:28.in a ceremony in London. David Unsworth is expected to take

:35:29. > :35:31.tempoarary charge of Everton Names in the frame to take the job

:35:32. > :35:42.permanently include Carlo Ancelotti Scotland flanker John Hardie's

:35:43. > :35:44.suspension from Edinburgh and Scotland duty is because of

:35:45. > :35:46.alleged cocaine use, He'll be out of Scotland's squad

:35:47. > :35:53.for the autumn Tests on Tuesday. And Rob Greenwood, the coach accused

:35:54. > :35:56.of creating a "climate of fear" within the British para-swimming

:35:57. > :35:58.setup, has been given the "full support and backing"

:35:59. > :36:00.of the British Swimming More on all those

:36:01. > :36:10.stories just after ten. Plans have been announced

:36:11. > :36:13.for a special memorial service to commemorate the lives

:36:14. > :36:15.of the 80 people who died The service will take place exactly

:36:16. > :36:19.six months to the day at St Paul's Cathedral on 14th

:36:20. > :36:21.December. Here to tell us more

:36:22. > :36:23.are Shahin Sadafi, a Grenfell resident and survivor,

:36:24. > :36:39.and Graham Tomlin, the Welcome both to the programme. I

:36:40. > :36:47.want to come to you first, why did you decide collectively to hold a

:36:48. > :36:53.memorial service? Good morning. The reason for holding the memorial

:36:54. > :36:57.service, it was first and foremost to bring some more attention in

:36:58. > :37:03.regards to the needs of the brave families and to remember the lives

:37:04. > :37:07.lost on the tragic day on 14th June, unfortunately it was a devastating

:37:08. > :37:13.and traumatic event that took place, within this community, and it was an

:37:14. > :37:16.opportunity for us to gather the perked families and remember the

:37:17. > :37:21.lives of our friends, neighbours and family members that were lost on

:37:22. > :37:30.that day. Graham, how will something like this, a memorial service help

:37:31. > :37:34.the survivors of the Grenfell Tower fire, the families of those lost

:37:35. > :37:38.come to terms with what happened? Our hope is by bringing the nation

:37:39. > :37:42.together, there will be a sense that those who have died have not been

:37:43. > :37:45.forgotten, that the nation gathers around those who have been bereaved

:37:46. > :37:50.and are continuing to struggle with all kinds of issues since the fire,

:37:51. > :37:53.and offer support. This is not just a local event, although it has

:37:54. > :37:57.affected the local community massively but it is a national event

:37:58. > :38:00.so it is vital we do that as a nation, the other thing is there is

:38:01. > :38:05.something about a Cathedral when you cross the door, we are all the same,

:38:06. > :38:12.we are all the same before God, doesn't matter whether you are a the

:38:13. > :38:16.Queen, the Prime Minister, a resident of Kensington, our hope is

:38:17. > :38:21.this service will bring dignity to all those who are involved. Will

:38:22. > :38:26.this be a multi-faith service? It will be held and hosted by St Paul's

:38:27. > :38:30.Cathedral so clearly it will be something which has a Christian

:38:31. > :38:35.framework but one which has space for different faiths in it. We have

:38:36. > :38:39.been working with local faith leaders in the community ho are

:38:40. > :38:42.behind the venue and the concept of the service, we will be working on

:38:43. > :38:46.the content of the service over the coming weeks and months with the

:38:47. > :38:50.local community here, in mind, so it is something we hope that everyone

:38:51. > :38:54.of all faiths and none can take part in and feel they have a stake in it.

:38:55. > :39:03.Are you hoping to feed into that process along with other people from

:39:04. > :39:06.the community? Absolutely. When Graham first approached Grenfell

:39:07. > :39:11.United and myself to make sure that we first looked at the needs and

:39:12. > :39:15.viewpoints of the bereaved families, and then obviously the survivors of

:39:16. > :39:19.the tower, so what we will be doing, we have done already and what we

:39:20. > :39:23.will continue to do is make sure we set up sort of meetings, and

:39:24. > :39:27.opportunities for the local community, the bereaved families and

:39:28. > :39:31.the survive, to be able to feedback into us and St Paul's in regards to

:39:32. > :39:36.what they would like the see and have in the memorial service.

:39:37. > :39:37.Thank you both very much for joining us this morning.

:39:38. > :39:38.Coming up. . The story of a man who fought

:39:39. > :39:42.for a life outside hospital after being tethered to breathing

:39:43. > :39:45.equipment in the 1950s - brought Disability campaigners have

:39:46. > :39:50.criticised a key government scheme which helps deaf and disabled people

:39:51. > :39:52.in the workplace as The scheme provides support

:39:53. > :39:55.for deaf and disabled people beyond what employers are obliged

:39:56. > :39:58.to do by law. But a new report seen by this

:39:59. > :40:01.programme says Access to Work - once hailed as the most successful

:40:02. > :40:03.programme of its type - is beset by errors, delays

:40:04. > :40:06.and is being hit by a government Campaigners are calling

:40:07. > :40:13.on ministers to "restore and refit" the programme,

:40:14. > :40:15.which they say should be the cornerstone of the Government's

:40:16. > :40:18.drive to get one million more Just last month charities

:40:19. > :40:24.warned that more disabled people were leaving

:40:25. > :40:26.the workplace than joining. We've been to talk to some of those

:40:27. > :40:59.who rely on what was once called, I'm a human b I just don't

:41:00. > :41:08.understand how or why they think we are a problem. The thought of having

:41:09. > :41:13.to cut my hourers, I could feel, me Janet shrinking, because this small

:41:14. > :41:19.person and feeling quite terrified. Panic I was being abandoned. She had

:41:20. > :41:23.been there for a few months then it was ending next week I was going to

:41:24. > :41:28.different workplaces and seeing people at the end of their tenter,

:41:29. > :41:33.not knowing what do because their access to work support was being

:41:34. > :41:39.cut. It supporting deaf and disabled people at work, a new report claims

:41:40. > :41:44.it is no longer fit for purpose. It points to unacceptably poor

:41:45. > :41:49.customer service, shocking levels of delay, error, and a damaging drive

:41:50. > :41:53.to bear down on costs. Access to work was always described

:41:54. > :41:58.by deaf and disabled people as the Government's best kept secret. When

:41:59. > :42:02.access to Working Tax Credits it works really well, it enables us not

:42:03. > :42:06.just to get jobs gou have a choice of jobs, to go into the same range

:42:07. > :42:12.of professions as non-disabled people. So there will be different

:42:13. > :42:15.support provided, that could be a sign language interpreter, it could

:42:16. > :42:19.be ongoing support needs for a person with a learning difficulty,

:42:20. > :42:23.to be able to understand written information that comes to them, it

:42:24. > :42:27.could be support for someone with a physical impairment if they need to

:42:28. > :42:30.go to meetings and carry thing, it could be support with travel costs

:42:31. > :42:35.if you are not able to travel independently.

:42:36. > :42:40.From 2014 we noticed changes coming in. They weren't announced but there

:42:41. > :42:46.were changes that were impacting on the way people were receiving their

:42:47. > :42:50.support, from access to work, so more frequent review, people being

:42:51. > :42:55.denied support, more often than not. People being told by their advisers

:42:56. > :43:00.they needed to reduce the amount of support they were getting, there was

:43:01. > :43:03.a noticeable increase in hostile attitudes from advisers so

:43:04. > :43:08.accusations that people were a burden on the taxpayer, and the

:43:09. > :43:18.level of errors that we are seeing as making the scheme unworkable for

:43:19. > :43:24.people. My name is Gerald dine, my sign name

:43:25. > :43:31.is Geraldine. I am a project manager. Every time I receive a

:43:32. > :43:39.brown envelope, I get nervous. My budget has been cut twice this year.

:43:40. > :43:43.And only because of administrative errors, the administration the

:43:44. > :43:49.system doesn't work for deaf and disled people How important is it to

:43:50. > :43:57.work? It is an interesting question! Because when I look back, over my

:43:58. > :44:01.working life, I started, I left school, in the early 770s where we

:44:02. > :44:05.never had interpreters there and life was really difficult. Now I am

:44:06. > :44:13.in control, I have had a good career, I have been a director of an

:44:14. > :44:17.organisation, I have managed big budget, I worked for health and

:44:18. > :44:21.Social Services, I'm a project manager now. And it has given me a

:44:22. > :44:27.career, it has given meaning to my life. It is such an important

:44:28. > :44:33.resource and it has meant I can face the world with pride and respect for

:44:34. > :44:36.myself as well. The Government say they would want

:44:37. > :44:40.more people to be in your position and bearing down on costs so they

:44:41. > :44:45.can bring it to more people and let more people do what you have done.

:44:46. > :44:51.That is a reasonable thing to do isn't it isn't I don't think it is

:44:52. > :44:56.up to tell a disabled or deaf people you need this support. How do they

:44:57. > :45:03.know? We are the experts of our impairment. We know what we need to

:45:04. > :45:07.do our jobs well, the resource is brilliant, when it works well, it is

:45:08. > :45:14.brilliant. I just want the system to be better.

:45:15. > :45:18.Urnt currently access is awarded to individuals, for a time limited

:45:19. > :45:21.period of six months, the problem with that is that many people their

:45:22. > :45:23.support needs are not simply going to go away, after six month, they

:45:24. > :45:45.are going to continue. I'm jewel Julia. Julia has Aspergers

:45:46. > :45:50.syndrome and anxiety disorder. What it is like being in a work place

:45:51. > :45:55.with your condition? When nothing obviously has gone wrong, you can go

:45:56. > :46:03.from being completely calm and happy to being just unable to function

:46:04. > :46:08.within minutes. I use the word "word blindness", because I was looking at

:46:09. > :46:14.a document and I was in panic mode, I could see the word, I had the

:46:15. > :46:19.ability to read, but panic meant I couldn't read it. The frustration of

:46:20. > :46:22.knowing that you're capable of doing so much more, because I had done

:46:23. > :46:29.highly responsible jobs in my previous job. I couldn't understand

:46:30. > :46:35.why I had this mental block on doing simple tasks. I realised it was to

:46:36. > :46:40.do with the Aspergers, because I couldn't see the big picture. The

:46:41. > :46:45.support from access to work enabled me to continue throughout many

:46:46. > :46:50.periods when without the support I probably would have to just... There

:46:51. > :46:59.was a couple of points where I would have just have had to walk out and

:47:00. > :47:03.say, I can't do this any more. Last June Julia was told the support was

:47:04. > :47:09.ended and she had a heart attack the next day. Did you feel when you

:47:10. > :47:17.heard the support was ending? Panic, that I was being abandoned, it was a

:47:18. > :47:22.feeling that she'd been there for a few months and suddenly it was like

:47:23. > :47:26.the support is ending next week. When I look at the amount of things

:47:27. > :47:28.I was trying to do within a short period of time, I was a heart attack

:47:29. > :47:59.waiting to happen. Investing access to work has wider

:48:00. > :48:03.societal benefits and there has never been an upper limit on the

:48:04. > :48:07.budget that has been set. Disabled people are confused about this idea

:48:08. > :48:11.of advisors contacting them and telling them that they need to

:48:12. > :48:19.reduce the amount of support that they're receiving.

:48:20. > :48:30.I'm Jenny, I'm a director and Executive of grey eye theatre. I

:48:31. > :48:36.have learned my trade and how to cope in big meetings.

:48:37. > :48:47.So without all of that, my confidence to become the deaf woman

:48:48. > :48:55.I am, the director I am, I would never have thought to say, I want to

:48:56. > :49:00.be the codirector of the Paralympic opening ceremony. It gave me the

:49:01. > :49:06.confidence to do that. It is vital. I think for the importance of

:49:07. > :49:10.ceremony, many deaf were involved, many deaf, disabled people, all with

:49:11. > :49:16.support, full support from access to work, that is the time when they

:49:17. > :49:22.were awesome and some of the access to work people came to watch

:49:23. > :49:29.rehearsals and met the deaf people that were benefitting from the

:49:30. > :49:32.money. So it felt... Really, really linked and aware and an

:49:33. > :49:34.understanding and then when he were all like, we were rocking, we have

:49:35. > :49:53.done it. Then gone. The cap means literally half of my

:49:54. > :50:00.hours gone. After 2012, going from 35 hours a week, they said I could

:50:01. > :50:06.have 72 hours a month. A massive reduction. It is my right-to-work

:50:07. > :50:11.full-time. And having to cut my hours, I could feel me, Jenny,

:50:12. > :50:16.shrinking, becausing this small person, feeling quite terrified

:50:17. > :50:21.about what my future is. I can't believe it is going to happen. So I

:50:22. > :50:31.can't think beyond April, because it makes me feel quite sick. I have

:50:32. > :50:35.thought what am I going to do. Government say the changes and the

:50:36. > :50:39.cap is about widening the reach of the scheme to enable more people

:50:40. > :50:47.like yourself to achieve the things that you have achieved. That is

:50:48. > :50:52.BLEEP. I know you can't say that. What we are seeing is people who

:50:53. > :50:57.receive small amounts of support are still having their hours cut and it

:50:58. > :51:01.seems to be driven by an ideology that people shouldn't depend for

:51:02. > :51:12.support and they need to reduce support at all costs. I'm Nicky and

:51:13. > :51:17.I'm a sign language interpreter. Access to work is one of most

:51:18. > :51:22.important scheme, because it allows deaf and disabled people to smash

:51:23. > :51:26.through the glass ceiling. Before there was not deaf professionals in

:51:27. > :51:30.any kind of job you can imagine. They were limited in what they could

:51:31. > :51:37.do. People just want to be able to do their jobs. And they just... Feel

:51:38. > :51:44.like they're doing something wrong. Like you're asking for a favour,

:51:45. > :51:49.would you mind giving me some money for support. They would say they

:51:50. > :51:52.have a pledge to half the employment gap between disabled and

:51:53. > :51:57.non-disabled people. The changes to access to work are about closing

:51:58. > :52:03.that gap and getting a million more disabled people into work. Well, I

:52:04. > :52:10.hope they will have one more million people into work, deaf and disabled

:52:11. > :52:13.people, but we all need the full amount of access and independence to

:52:14. > :52:18.get to work. Of course we want to work. There is a myth that deaf and

:52:19. > :52:25.disabled people don't want to work. We do. We really, really do and my

:52:26. > :52:30.God we are good. Through education we have the best, so there is a

:52:31. > :52:35.real... You know hunger to be there. But the Government need to realise

:52:36. > :52:40.that they still have to pay to support our access. They do. And I'm

:52:41. > :52:44.sorry, where some of the other money goes... Put that money writ really

:52:45. > :52:47.matters. The Department for Work and Pensions

:52:48. > :52:50.didn't have a minister available to talk to us but the department

:52:51. > :53:13.told us: In one of the most moving

:53:14. > :53:16.roles of his career, Andrew Garfield plays

:53:17. > :53:18.Robin Cavendish, a man who was paralysed from the neck down

:53:19. > :53:21.in 1958, but refused to live out his days in an iron

:53:22. > :53:24.lung in hospital. With the love and support of his

:53:25. > :53:27.wife Diana, played by Claire Foy, Robin broke free and changed not

:53:28. > :53:30.only his life, but that of disabled Their real story has been brought

:53:31. > :53:37.to the big screen by their son I'll be speaking to Jonathan

:53:38. > :53:43.and Diana in a moment, but first let's take a look

:53:44. > :53:46.at a scene where Jonathan - as a little boy - is introduced

:53:47. > :53:48.to his father at home What happens if there

:53:49. > :54:04.is a power cut? Sadly Robin died in 1994

:54:05. > :54:48.before the film was made, but I'm pleased to say Jonathan

:54:49. > :54:58.and Diana are with me now. You were watching that clip with me.

:54:59. > :55:03.How does it feel to watch yourself, as a baby, meeting your father for

:55:04. > :55:08.the first time? Well, it is a slightly strange thing. In this clip

:55:09. > :55:12.here in the film, my father's just broken out of hospital with my

:55:13. > :55:19.mother. Because he didn't want to live the rest of his life lying down

:55:20. > :55:22.in bed in a hospital. He wanted to live free. When he was in hospital

:55:23. > :55:29.for the first year or so after he got pel polio, he was depressed and

:55:30. > :55:34.he didn't want to see me as a baby. As a reminder of what he might have

:55:35. > :55:37.lost. Did you wander why he was older. He had seen me, but not

:55:38. > :55:43.wanted to connect. This was the first time he had really connected

:55:44. > :55:48.with me. Out of hospital, living free with my mother and about to

:55:49. > :55:52.have an amazing life. That must be difficult for you to know and to

:55:53. > :55:56.hear about later on? Not at all difficult, because what my parents

:55:57. > :56:01.fashioned was this extraordinary joyous, wonderful existence that I

:56:02. > :56:08.was a part of, I tagged alongside it and we had a wonderful time. It was

:56:09. > :56:12.very funny and my father was two minutes from death at any time,

:56:13. > :56:16.because he relied on a breathing machine. But as a child, I never

:56:17. > :56:21.realised that, because my parents dealt with it so elegantly. What was

:56:22. > :56:26.that moment like, it sounds dramatic, having to break out of the

:56:27. > :56:29.hospital? Well, I mean the point was they didn't want Robin to go,

:56:30. > :56:36.because they liked people, they said, we do not know what the

:56:37. > :56:41.long-term effect of operation is and Robin said I would rather die out of

:56:42. > :56:46.hospital than stay here for the rest of my life. And he was right of

:56:47. > :56:52.course. And the... Did you resist at any point? No. No, what was the

:56:53. > :56:58.point? You could see he didn't want, it would have been ridiculous. No

:56:59. > :57:03.life at all. I suppose looking back on it I suppose it was quite

:57:04. > :57:09.adventurous, I am not sure we thought like that at the time. But

:57:10. > :57:13.we had a lot of help from friends and family and actually we stole one

:57:14. > :57:18.or two of the nurses from the hospital! They were not very

:57:19. > :57:22.pleased! It is an extraordinary story. Why did you decide to bring

:57:23. > :57:28.your father's story to the big screen? I'm a film producer and I'm

:57:29. > :57:33.always looking for stories, but it took me time to realise I was

:57:34. > :57:41.sitting on this amazing story. The reason for the telling it was first

:57:42. > :57:46.of all I work with a great writer Bill Nichol and a great director and

:57:47. > :57:51.this amazing cast. So we could be accurate about the life that was

:57:52. > :57:55.led. Because I was there and there are lots of lines of dialogue that I

:57:56. > :57:58.remember being spoken or were handed down. Such as when my parents did

:57:59. > :58:02.break out of hospital, the consultant looking after them

:58:03. > :58:07.shouted after them, you will be dead in two weeks. That is what my

:58:08. > :58:12.parents told me. I wanted to make a film about how you can laugh

:58:13. > :58:15.disaster in the face and joer come difficulties -- overcome

:58:16. > :58:28.difficulties and my parents and this Willem bar -- will embarrass my

:58:29. > :58:33.mother, it was a great love story. They set up an independent life and

:58:34. > :58:39.helped others do the same. Robin changed the rights of disabled

:58:40. > :58:49.people forever. How concerned were you about authenticity when it comes

:58:50. > :58:53.to telling a real story? Very concerned, so everything in the film

:58:54. > :58:59.happened. A lot of the dialogue was dialogue spoken. But it is, it is a

:59:00. > :59:04.very funny film, there is a huge amount of comedy in it. My memory of

:59:05. > :59:13.my parents' life and my life with them and their friends was a

:59:14. > :59:18.constant adventure. My father's enemy was boredom. There was no

:59:19. > :59:22.internet, no television and he created tasks and project and they

:59:23. > :59:28.would travel all over the place. He had a van adapted so he could

:59:29. > :59:35.travel. We went to Spain and broke down there and for 36 hours while

:59:36. > :59:41.the inventor of the machine rebuilt a breathing machine back in London,

:59:42. > :59:47.we sat hand pumping my father. I can remember my mother saying you must

:59:48. > :59:53.not fall asleep. It was very funny and people came from the village and

:59:54. > :59:59.gave us food. But the whole thing was an adventure and fun and amazing

:00:00. > :00:05.to be part of. How big a role did you have in casting. Claire Foy

:00:06. > :00:10.plays you. I had no role. You didn't get a say on who plays you? I'm

:00:11. > :00:15.happy, because Andrew is brilliant and Claire is wonderful and I mean I

:00:16. > :00:20.don't know whether she is like me, but she is marvellous. She is very

:00:21. > :00:26.like you! And Andrew and Claire took so much trouble and you know I met

:00:27. > :00:27.up with them beforehand and told them the story about Andrew ringing

:00:28. > :00:44.you up. 123450 bit by lit learned more.

:00:45. > :00:48.Three weeks before we started filming I got a phone call, picked

:00:49. > :00:53.up a message from my dead father, talking to me exactly as he would,

:00:54. > :00:58.and I was in shock, at the end of it Andrew's voice said who is the voice

:00:59. > :01:02.doing, how am I getting on? By the end, it is not on an extraordinary

:01:03. > :01:06.performance, he takes on the personality and the spirit and the

:01:07. > :01:12.voice and look of my father in an amazing way. When is the film out?

:01:13. > :01:16.This Friday in cinemas near you. Thank you for talking to us.

:01:17. > :01:22.Breaking news just in, it has just been confirmed a British man has

:01:23. > :01:27.been killed in Syria, while clearing landmines in Raqqa, Jack Holmes

:01:28. > :01:35.within an IT worker who left the UK and joined the main Kurdish force

:01:36. > :01:40.fighting so-called Islamic State. Let us get the latest weather update

:01:41. > :01:44.with Carol. This morning we have seen a lot of cloud, some mist, fog

:01:45. > :01:48.round, murky conditions and rain and the rain currently across Wales and

:01:49. > :01:51.north-west England pushing over towards the Wash and Norfolk through

:01:52. > :01:56.the course of the day. It will clear Cumbria. The rain in Scotland and

:01:57. > :02:00.Northern Ireland will clear, leaving sunny spells and few showers and in

:02:01. > :02:05.southern County, although it's a murky start it's a mild one, what we

:02:06. > :02:08.will find it is brighten up. Any sunshine will be a premium. We

:02:09. > :02:13.continue with the rain, edging from the west towards the east, a lot of

:02:14. > :02:17.showers across Scotland. Once again, like the night just gone, it is

:02:18. > :02:20.going to be a mild one with temperatures not falling lower than

:02:21. > :02:26.nine or 13 degrees defending on which part of the country you are.

:02:27. > :02:30.Tomorrow it sinks southwards. Murky in the south-west, but behind it, it

:02:31. > :02:33.will brighten up nicely and for many of us tomorrow, we will see a lot of

:02:34. > :02:38.sunshine, but still, a peppering of showers in the north and the west.

:02:39. > :02:42.Temperatures still hiring than they should be in October, we are looking

:02:43. > :02:43.at 11 to 18. It cools down as we head through Friday and into the

:02:44. > :03:15.weekend. These exploiters have more control

:03:16. > :03:19.of your own children than you do, to the point where you become the

:03:20. > :03:19.outsiders, and children view them as the family.

:03:20. > :03:23.We'll also hear from those who are involved in tackling

:03:24. > :03:28.Campaigners have told us that disabled people are losing out

:03:29. > :03:30.on jobs because a government scheme to help them into work

:03:31. > :03:33.is not fit for purpose - we've been talking to some of those

:03:34. > :03:42.The thought of having to cut my hours, I could feel me,

:03:43. > :03:44.Janet, shrinking, becoming a small person and feeling quite terrified

:03:45. > :03:51.Have you applied for Access to Work what was your experience?

:03:52. > :04:00.And the Supreme Court will consider whether Northern Ireland law

:04:01. > :04:02.breaches women's rights by not allowing abortions in cases

:04:03. > :04:16.of sexual crime and fatal foetal abnormalities.

:04:17. > :04:21.Here's Reeta in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:04:22. > :04:24.Police in England and Wales have been accused of letting down victims

:04:25. > :04:26.of modern slavery at every stage - in a scathing report

:04:27. > :04:30.The Inspectorate found that cases had been closed without any

:04:31. > :04:32.enquiries being made, and in some instances detectives

:04:33. > :04:42.Police say they fully accept the recommendations in the report

:04:43. > :04:44.The police have got lots of techniques, lots of methods,

:04:45. > :04:48.When they deal with drug dealing, for example,

:04:49. > :04:52.They need to start using the resources they have got and find

:04:53. > :04:54.out who's doing this, who is the master mind behind it

:04:55. > :05:05.In a few minutes time, we'll be hearing from some of those

:05:06. > :05:07.involved in the fight against modern slavery including a former gang

:05:08. > :05:13.Hospitals in England could carry out 280,000 extra operations a year

:05:14. > :05:15.just by making better use of operating theatres.

:05:16. > :05:17.Analysis by the watchdog NHS Improvement, due

:05:18. > :05:20.out later this week, suggests that an average of 2 hours

:05:21. > :05:22.a day are lost in operating theatres because of late starts

:05:23. > :05:31.The European Council President, Donald Tusk, has urged the remaining

:05:32. > :05:33.EU member countries to stick together as negotiations

:05:34. > :05:57.If we fail it the negotiations will end in our defeat. We must keep our

:05:58. > :06:03.unity regardless on the direct hundred of the talk, the EU will be

:06:04. > :06:10.able to rise to every scenario as long as we are not divided. It is in

:06:11. > :06:18.fact up to London how this will end, with a good deal, no deal, or no

:06:19. > :06:21.Brexit. But in each of these scenarios, we will protect our

:06:22. > :06:29.common interest only be being together.

:06:30. > :06:37.A British man has been killed while clearing landmines in Raqqa. Jack

:06:38. > :06:41.Holmes had been fighting with the Kurdish militia the YPG since 2015.

:06:42. > :06:45.Kurdish representatives in the UK said they had been told by YPG

:06:46. > :06:49.officials that the former IT workers was killed while he was clearing an

:06:50. > :06:54.area of landmines to make it safe for civilians.

:06:55. > :06:57.A 53-year old man is due in court today charged in connection

:06:58. > :07:00.with an armed siege that lasted 4 hours at a bowling alley in Nuneaton

:07:01. > :07:03.David Clark is charged with false imprisonment, criminal damage,

:07:04. > :07:10.and possessing a blade and an imitation firearm.

:07:11. > :07:12.A British former assistant of Harvey Weinstein says

:07:13. > :07:15.she was paid ?125,000 to keep quiet after accusing the movie mogul

:07:16. > :07:18.Zelda Perkins told the Financial Times she signed

:07:19. > :07:20.a non-disclosure agreement in 1998 after making the accusations.

:07:21. > :07:23.She said Weinstein asked her to give him massages and tried

:07:24. > :07:26.Weinstein has denied any allegations of non-consensual

:07:27. > :07:31.Disability campaigners have criticised a key government scheme

:07:32. > :07:34.which helps deaf and disabled people in the workplace

:07:35. > :07:37.The scheme provides support for people with disabilities

:07:38. > :07:44.beyond what employers are obliged to do by law.

:07:45. > :07:47.But a new report seen by this programme says Access to Work -

:07:48. > :07:49.once hailed as the most successful programme of its type -

:07:50. > :07:52.is beset by errors, delays and is being hit by a government

:07:53. > :07:56.The Government says it's "committed to supporting disabled people to get

:07:57. > :08:05.And some of those who use the Access to Work scheme will be telling us

:08:06. > :08:08.about their experiences a little later on - that's at around

:08:09. > :08:19.That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.30.

:08:20. > :08:34.Breaking news, Stuart Bingham the 2015 World Snooker champion has been

:08:35. > :08:39.banned for six months for breaching the WWSA betting rules. Three months

:08:40. > :08:43.and one day will be suspended if he complies with any treatment

:08:44. > :08:48.recommended to him, for his gambling, and if he commits no

:08:49. > :08:52.further rule breach, Bingham still has the option to appeal but he will

:08:53. > :08:53.miss the three most lucrative tournaments outside of the World

:08:54. > :08:55.tournaments outside of the World Championship.

:08:56. > :08:57.Ronaldo has been crowned the greatest footballer

:08:58. > :09:03.of the year, at the 2017 Best Fifa Awards in London.

:09:04. > :09:06.His Real Madrid coach Zinedine Zidane was named best coach too.

:09:07. > :09:08.Ronaldo beat Lionel Messi of Barcelona and PSG's

:09:09. > :09:09.Neymar to the honour, after helping Real

:09:10. > :09:12.to a Champions League and La Liga double last season.

:09:13. > :09:14.Leeka Martens of Barcelona and the Netherlands won

:09:15. > :09:25.Lieke Martens of Barcelona and the Netherlands won

:09:26. > :09:29.She was Player of the Tournament at Euro 2017 this summer,

:09:30. > :09:33.Her manager Sarina Veegman was named 'Best Female Coach'.

:09:34. > :09:34.David Unsworth will take temporary charge of Everton,

:09:35. > :09:36.following the sacking of Ronald Koeman yesterday.

:09:37. > :09:38.Unsworth will lead the team their league cup game

:09:39. > :09:42.Names in the frame to take the job permanently are David Moyes,

:09:43. > :09:45.who enjoyed a successful spell at the club, had a tough time

:09:46. > :09:47.with other teams since leaving including that Premier League

:09:48. > :09:55.He's done a brilliant job at Burnley to keep them in the Premier League

:09:56. > :09:57.and they've had a good start to the season.

:09:58. > :10:00.Sam Alladyce, granted he last just one game as England manager,

:10:01. > :10:02.he is know for getting teams out of sticky situations,

:10:03. > :10:04.although currently in retirement since quitting Crystal Palace four

:10:05. > :10:16.And Carlo Ancelotti, the biggest name linked to this job,

:10:17. > :10:19.three-times Champions League winner, he is free after leaving

:10:20. > :10:22.Whoever takes charge, they'll have some serious work

:10:23. > :10:26.to do, with Everton bottom of their group in the Europa League,

:10:27. > :10:34.bottom three in the Premier League and without a win in five games.

:10:35. > :10:36.Rob Greenwood, the coach accused of creating a "climate of fear"

:10:37. > :10:38.within the British para-swimming setup, has been given

:10:39. > :10:41.the "full support and backing" of the British Swimming Coaches

:10:42. > :10:44.This comes despite British Swimming issuing an apology to athletes

:10:45. > :10:46.and admitting some of their swimmers needed counselling after being

:10:47. > :10:51."visibly distressed" recounting their experiences.

:10:52. > :10:53.Greenwood resigned from his position before the investigation began

:10:54. > :11:00.and is yet to comment publicly about the findings.

:11:01. > :11:03.England forward Sam Burgess says the squad for the 2017 World Cup has

:11:04. > :11:05.more "X Factor" than the team that got to

:11:06. > :11:22.England play their first match against holders Australia

:11:23. > :11:25.Burgess also said that Rob Andrew doesn't know the full story

:11:26. > :11:28.about his role at the 2015 rugby union World Cup, for

:11:29. > :11:31.The RFU's former director of professional rugby called his

:11:32. > :11:39.Rob went round the camp. He didn't see the work I had put in, he didn't

:11:40. > :11:44.see how I contributed to the squad, he didn't see how I hard I worked,

:11:45. > :11:50.whatsoever, he is not in the trench, he doesn't see what happened. I

:11:51. > :11:55.disagree with him. I am proud of my performance for England, what I

:11:56. > :11:58.contributed to the team. Unfort theyly the results didn't go as we

:11:59. > :12:05.planned. He is entitled to his opinion and he is trying to sell his

:12:06. > :12:07.book, so fair play to him. That is all the sport for now.

:12:08. > :12:11.A leading charity says thousands of kids from London

:12:12. > :12:14.are being trafficked around the country by gangs to sell drugs.

:12:15. > :12:16.The Modern Slavery commissioner says the stats are shocking

:12:17. > :12:19.and they are only starting to get to grips with it now.

:12:20. > :12:21.The police call this 'county lines' - and it's sometimes

:12:22. > :12:23.known as 'cuckooing' - because the teenagers travel

:12:24. > :12:26.from inner city areas across county lines to other towns to sell

:12:27. > :12:29.the drugs, often from the home of a vulnerable drug user.

:12:30. > :12:32.Last year, the National Crime Agency described it as a "national

:12:33. > :12:45.problem", with around 70% of forces reporting they were dealing

:12:46. > :12:48.Yesterday, Chloe Tilley spoke to the mum of one boy

:12:49. > :12:51.who was groomed by gangs in his early teens.

:12:52. > :12:58.We've protected her identity because her son is still at risk.

:12:59. > :13:07.When did you notice things were going wrong for your son? Roughly,

:13:08. > :13:14.aren't year eight. A year after starting secondary school. Just

:13:15. > :13:24.changes in behaviour. Very extreme changes, and a lot of it, you can

:13:25. > :13:32.expect to happen round that age. But this was something that was quite

:13:33. > :13:39.stark, and it was, it wasn't gradual. A real personality

:13:40. > :13:46.transformation, quite quickly. Using real course language and kiss

:13:47. > :13:51.playing real bad anger -- displaying real bad anger issues and there was

:13:52. > :13:56.no reason for it, so it was all very difficult to deal with. It was

:13:57. > :14:02.almost like it wasn't your own son. It was a little bit later on that he

:14:03. > :14:10.started to go missing. Yes. There was about 18 months of activity,

:14:11. > :14:15.which was very out of character. Behavioural indicators that were not

:14:16. > :14:20.quite right, and he then went missing. The first episode was for a

:14:21. > :14:25.substantial number of days, totally out of the blue. And he came home of

:14:26. > :14:31.his own accord? No, he was found by police and we were told that he had

:14:32. > :14:36.been groomed by a gang that were well-known to police for extreme

:14:37. > :14:40.violence during the missing episode, which obviously was just

:14:41. > :14:45.jaw-dropping a as parent, to have to hear those words. Because you are

:14:46. > :14:51.not expecting anything like that to be the cause of all those

:14:52. > :14:57.behaviours, all the missing episode, and that takes quite a lot of

:14:58. > :15:03.getting used to, to hear your son's name being mentioned around that

:15:04. > :15:07.sort of setting. It, it is a really bizarre thing to get your head

:15:08. > :15:14.round, really the trouble started after the missing episode because

:15:15. > :15:19.they were still ongoing suspicions, around his activities an behaviour,

:15:20. > :15:25.in other words, it didn't stop, after the initial missing episode.

:15:26. > :15:31.There were suspicious activity, or mobile phones, things that went

:15:32. > :15:35.missing from the house. You know, presence of things in a school bag

:15:36. > :15:41.you wouldn't associate with a child. Like what? Digital scales for

:15:42. > :15:46.weighing out drugs and it was clear, despite that horrific missing

:15:47. > :15:49.episode when weer with told what was going on, we were were to all

:15:50. > :16:00.intents an purposes left to it. He was give an youth worker, but if

:16:01. > :16:05.you're a groomed or exploited child, then it's clear that intervention is

:16:06. > :16:10.it not going to succeed. And it didn't succeed. He promptly refused

:16:11. > :16:17.to engage with them and it is now clear that is a common feature of

:16:18. > :16:21.county lines exploitation. The children are taught, influenced to

:16:22. > :16:28.hate police and authority figures. So you're not going to be answerable

:16:29. > :16:34.to engage with them. They have almost been taken over mentally. I

:16:35. > :16:40.use the word brainwash, because that is how it looks. They have these...

:16:41. > :16:44.Exploiters have more control over your own children than you do. To

:16:45. > :16:53.the point where you become the outsiders and the children view them

:16:54. > :16:58.as the family. We then moved on to a nine-month spell, continuous of

:16:59. > :17:07.missing episodes on a daily basis. That was roughly just shy of 200 odd

:17:08. > :17:12.missing episodes and it's very difficult to explain to somebody

:17:13. > :17:16.what that looks like in reality. Because you have the police camped

:17:17. > :17:23.in your house, but life is going on at the same time. You know, looking

:17:24. > :17:31.back now, there should have been more support than there was, but

:17:32. > :17:34.it's not not even as if that wasn't made known to the agencies at the

:17:35. > :17:42.time. There was a lack of recognition that he was involved in

:17:43. > :17:47.gangs. Or that he'd been exploited. What effect did it have on you and

:17:48. > :17:51.your family? It is difficult, because the nature of the missing

:17:52. > :17:56.episodes being as they were, for hours and hours, and sometimes going

:17:57. > :18:02.into two days, you just don't sleep you know? Because you have got

:18:03. > :18:06.contact with the police throughout the night. Whilst he has gone

:18:07. > :18:11.missing you're going to get the call to say that he has been stabbed or

:18:12. > :18:16.killed in some sort of altercation. So it is a different alien world,

:18:17. > :18:21.because whilst you're sitting in in the late hours waiting, you're

:18:22. > :18:28.completely aware that the world that he is mixing in isn't the same one

:18:29. > :18:32.as you're sitting in. Let's talk about the interventions, what could

:18:33. > :18:40.have been done differently? So many things could have been done

:18:41. > :18:43.differently. My son divulged to a profebgssal fessional that he was in

:18:44. > :18:47.contact with a 27-year-old male. But nothing was done. That was at the

:18:48. > :18:51.start of the professional intervention. We thought that

:18:52. > :18:57.someone would be at our door to gain more information about that

:18:58. > :19:03.statement. Nothing happened. You know, if you have got one family who

:19:04. > :19:08.is making phone calls five days in a row, that is excessive. When you

:19:09. > :19:13.have got somebody doing it for nine months, it is just inexcusable.

:19:14. > :19:19.Somebody should have got in touch with us and said, what's going on

:19:20. > :19:25.here? How can we help so you're not having to do this every day? For any

:19:26. > :19:30.parent watching, who might be concerned about their own children,

:19:31. > :19:34.what would you say? Trust your instincts. Know your child. Most

:19:35. > :19:39.parents know when there is something wrong. That is why they're thinking

:19:40. > :19:44.something is not right, because they have noticed a change. I would say

:19:45. > :19:50.go with your gut instinct. How is your son now? He is on a slightly

:19:51. > :19:54.different more positive trajectory, but it has come after a long time

:19:55. > :19:59.and we have still got a lot of work to do and we have still got a lot of

:20:00. > :20:06.time to catch up and we still don't know what the future's going to look

:20:07. > :20:11.like for him. I've had to work really hard personally to achieve

:20:12. > :20:15.what we have got now and it shouldn't be down to the parent to

:20:16. > :20:21.do that. It should be down to the professionals. Unfortunately with my

:20:22. > :20:23.situation, it was very close that the experts on country lines were

:20:24. > :20:27.not the professionals. We can chat about this more

:20:28. > :20:30.now with Junior Smart, a former gang member who now works

:20:31. > :20:33.for St Giles Trust - which helps people leave gangs -

:20:34. > :20:36.and is one of the charities that has won funding from the

:20:37. > :20:40.Home Office today. councillor responsible for child

:20:41. > :20:44.safeguarding and who recently led a cross party group of MPs who met

:20:45. > :21:05.the Home Office minister responsible How big a problem this is, county

:21:06. > :21:09.lines, cuckooing, in Islington? We have found 75 young people involved

:21:10. > :21:13.in this. We are not a big area and so it is likely there are other

:21:14. > :21:15.local authorities where there are far more young people involved.

:21:16. > :21:20.There could be thousands of young people involved in this. How

:21:21. > :21:28.worrying is that for you and is this something that is new? It is not

:21:29. > :21:32.new, it has been going on for about 20 year, but it has just become

:21:33. > :21:36.visible. We are told we have to safeguard children and we want to do

:21:37. > :21:40.that, but we don't have to tools to do that, because we can't work cross

:21:41. > :21:44.boundary with every local authority and police force where young people

:21:45. > :21:48.may be, without leadership from national level and a national

:21:49. > :21:53.strategy I don't think we are going to get to grip with this on our own.

:21:54. > :21:58.You had a meeting at the Home Office with other councillors about trying

:21:59. > :22:01.to develop a national strategy, because it does involve people

:22:02. > :22:06.travelling to different parts of the country to sell drugs. How did that

:22:07. > :22:11.go? Not as well as I would have liked it. The minister will not

:22:12. > :22:15.introduce a national strategy and believes we should do things in

:22:16. > :22:18.other ways. I argued that I think because this is a national problem

:22:19. > :22:21.it needs a national solution and without that leadership, if we

:22:22. > :22:25.become effective at working in some areas, the gangs will move

:22:26. > :22:29.elsewhere. The reason they started doing this was they knew services

:22:30. > :22:32.were bad at working with each other. So without that national response we

:22:33. > :22:40.can't do it and I urge the minister to think again. Gina, we don't know

:22:41. > :22:44.the true scale of the problem, but the charities for London estimate

:22:45. > :22:51.about 4,000 children in London could be victims of this. How do children

:22:52. > :22:59.get involved in the first place? There is many different ways. Quite

:23:00. > :23:05.commonly people like too think this is the deprived communities, sink

:23:06. > :23:11.estates, but I have received many phone calls like the mother we have

:23:12. > :23:17.heard from and from dual part households -- parent households, the

:23:18. > :23:25.criminality attaches itself to what ever is missing from that person's

:23:26. > :23:29.family. One kid was getting good pocket money, but he wanted to be

:23:30. > :23:39.that guy. You can point the finger at messages on social media, the

:23:40. > :23:45.videos that glamorise the lifestyle. Be But the reality is anything but

:23:46. > :23:51.that. Does a young person know they're being exploiteded when you

:23:52. > :23:55.end up in scare situations with drugs you're often in a crack house

:23:56. > :23:58.or in a property and actually you're in an area you don't know anybody.

:23:59. > :24:07.The young people tell us the reality is sairy. -- scary. It can affect

:24:08. > :24:12.not only deprived children, but middle class kids. What are the

:24:13. > :24:17.signs, how do these gangs lure children in to the point where they

:24:18. > :24:24.don't realise it is happen something Well from a parent, from they're

:24:25. > :24:29.saying is they see drastic changes in the child's behaviour, new

:24:30. > :24:33.possessions, additional mobile phones, things they can't account

:24:34. > :24:37.for. The young people say they're looking for escapism and it depends

:24:38. > :24:44.what that young person wants or needs, if it is respect, the group

:24:45. > :24:49.tends to provide, if it is finance. To deal with with this requires a

:24:50. > :24:54.joined up approach across all the services, police, probation and

:24:55. > :25:00.charities, but it requires that organisations to communicate with

:25:01. > :25:07.each other. We are lucky the work we do in schools with St Giles trust

:25:08. > :25:11.provides that consistent one-to-one support and we have that cultural

:25:12. > :25:18.currency, we know what the reality is. Young people tend to trust us.

:25:19. > :25:23.Now let's get the police perspective. How big a problem is

:25:24. > :25:27.this for you, where you are? Yes this is a big problem that we are

:25:28. > :25:31.dealing w it is something we are familiar with over a number of years

:25:32. > :25:36.sadly. The reports you have heard are shocking for people to hear. But

:25:37. > :25:41.it is something that day in, day out any officers are dealing as they are

:25:42. > :25:46.trying to deal with the problems of drug abuse. There is a highly

:25:47. > :25:52.critical report which says that police forces are failing to tackle

:25:53. > :25:59.modern slavery and fail being victims at every level and officers

:26:00. > :26:04.believe the public lack of simp thif for victim -- sympathy for victims

:26:05. > :26:08.is partly to blame. How do you respond to that? The report today is

:26:09. > :26:14.something that we as a police service need to respond to and look

:26:15. > :26:17.at how we can develop and improve. However, by way of reassurance it is

:26:18. > :26:23.fundamental that our staff do put victims at the heart of everything

:26:24. > :26:26.that we do. It is key to us in Suffolk here in terms of our

:26:27. > :26:30.policing style and response. The report that you're talking about

:26:31. > :26:34.refers to modern day slavery, but as you will be aware there is a range

:26:35. > :26:38.of tactics that we use as a police service to tackle the problem around

:26:39. > :26:43.county lines and vulnerability and the use of modern day slavery

:26:44. > :26:49.legislation is just one of those. I want to come back to you, what ages

:26:50. > :26:55.are we talking about here? Is this just children, is it adults? By the

:26:56. > :27:01.nature, we are talking about children and I see every one of

:27:02. > :27:05.those as children with real hopes and aspirations, but just going

:27:06. > :27:11.about it in the wrong way. The youngest on our case load is 11 and

:27:12. > :27:18.that is a young person that has been caught up with it and I believe that

:27:19. > :27:22.crucial recruitment age we are looking at happens between primary

:27:23. > :27:27.and secondary school, is the first point of entrapment by the young

:27:28. > :27:32.people. And you know, it is not, what is a shame about this, it is

:27:33. > :27:35.not the lack of will, but it is that it requires intensive work. This is

:27:36. > :27:41.intensive work that requires long-term funding to do the work

:27:42. > :27:45.properly. And frequently we come across agencies that just don't know

:27:46. > :27:51.enough about the reality of gangs, enough about how these criminal

:27:52. > :28:01.operations work and so what you tend to find is they're giving piece meal

:28:02. > :28:03.help. But that needs to be tailor made and ongoing. Thank you for

:28:04. > :28:07.speaking us to today. And you can hear much more this

:28:08. > :28:10.story on File on 4 - We approached the Home Office

:28:11. > :28:14.for an interview but Minister for Crime, Safeguarding

:28:15. > :28:35.and Vulnerability, Sarah Newton, We have passed legislation, allowing

:28:36. > :28:39.the police to crackdown on drug dealing gangs. It sends a message we

:28:40. > :28:49.will not tolerate this criminal activity. Still to come: An

:28:50. > :28:51.assistant to Harvey Weinstein said she was paid to keep quiet about a

:28:52. > :28:54.sexual assault. Disability campaigners have

:28:55. > :28:56.criticised a key government scheme which helps deaf and disabled people

:28:57. > :28:58.in the workplace as The scheme provides support

:28:59. > :29:04.for deaf and disabled people beyond what employers are obliged

:29:05. > :29:08.to do by law. But a new report seen by this

:29:09. > :29:11.programme says Access to Work - once hailed as the most successful

:29:12. > :29:14.programme of its type - is beset by errors, delays

:29:15. > :29:17.and is being hit by a government Campaigners are calling

:29:18. > :29:21.on ministers to "restore and refit" the programme,

:29:22. > :29:29.which they say SHOULD be Just last month charities warned

:29:30. > :29:33.that more disabled people We've been to talk to some of those

:29:34. > :29:51.who rely on what was once called This is the Jenny's story. My names

:29:52. > :29:55.Jenny, I'm the artistic director and Chief Executive of grey eyes

:29:56. > :29:59.theatre. Because I have had access to work, I have learned my trade and

:30:00. > :30:24.how to cope in big meetings. I would never have thought to say I

:30:25. > :30:27.want to be the co-artist director of the par Paralympic Opening Ceremony.

:30:28. > :30:34.It Gays me that confidence to do that. It is vital I think for the

:30:35. > :30:39.importance of the ceremony. Many deaf were involved. Many deaf

:30:40. > :30:44.disabled people, all with support, full support from access to work,

:30:45. > :30:49.that is the time when they were awesome and some of the access to

:30:50. > :30:55.work people, they came the watch rehearsal, they met the deaf people

:30:56. > :31:01.that were benefitting from the money, so it felt, really really

:31:02. > :31:06.linked and aware of the understanding, when we were all

:31:07. > :31:13.like, we're rocking, we've done it. Boof, gone. From April the am of

:31:14. > :31:23.help will be capped for all users at 1.5 times the average salary. The

:31:24. > :31:29.cap means literally half of my hour, boof, after 2012 going from 35 hours

:31:30. > :31:33.a week, they said I could have 72 hours a month, that is a massive

:31:34. > :31:40.reduction, it is my right to work full-time. The thought of having to

:31:41. > :31:44.cut my hour, I could feel, me, Jenny shrinking, become this small person

:31:45. > :31:49.and feeling quite terrified about what my future is. I can't believe

:31:50. > :31:57.it is going to happen, so I can't think beyond April because it makes

:31:58. > :31:59.me feel quite sick, you know, and I have a, I thought what am I going to

:32:00. > :32:04.have a, I thought what am I going to do?

:32:05. > :32:06.Let's talk now to Miro Griffiths - Government advisor on disability

:32:07. > :32:11.We can also speak to David Buxton - Chief Executive of Action

:32:12. > :32:13.Adrian Bailey is here as his interpreter.

:32:14. > :32:16.Penny Pepper is a writer and John Kelly is a self-employed

:32:17. > :32:19.musician who both use Access to Work.

:32:20. > :32:28.Thank you for joining the programme today. David, I want to come to you

:32:29. > :32:33.first of all, the Government says the scheme is tailored to

:32:34. > :32:38.individuals' needs and can include travel to work, support workers and

:32:39. > :32:46.specialist equipment, but are people struggling to gain access to

:32:47. > :32:51.everything that is on off to them? Yes e certainly the situation now is

:32:52. > :32:55.very different from twenty years ago when I first started using Access to

:32:56. > :32:59.Work. I was able to have full access and able to progress from entry

:33:00. > :33:05.level position to chief executive officer, which is remarkable. These

:33:06. > :33:12.cuts are causing a lack of understanding, a lack of knowledge

:33:13. > :33:14.of what is to come. Now I face a restriction of three days of Access

:33:15. > :33:20.to Work support which means I don't know if I am going to be stable in

:33:21. > :33:24.my job. The Government ministers, if we imagine, if we say that the

:33:25. > :33:30.Government ministers who are negotiating with foreign Governments

:33:31. > :33:33.say over Brexit, had to have restrictions on their foreign

:33:34. > :33:36.language translation, and interpretation in dealing with

:33:37. > :33:41.foreign Government, surely that would have a negative impact on our

:33:42. > :33:46.relations initially. That would be a similar example for what we are

:33:47. > :33:50.going through as deaf and disabled people, having this support removed

:33:51. > :33:56.is having a negative impact on our work through no fault of our own. In

:33:57. > :33:57.report suggests Access to Work is creating problems that

:33:58. > :34:04.disproportionately affect deaf people. Can you explain to us what

:34:05. > :34:10.they are? TRANSLATION: Yes, so there is two

:34:11. > :34:15.areas, so, firstly, people who require high levels of support like

:34:16. > :34:22.myself, are affected by the cap and 90% of those people affected by the

:34:23. > :34:26.cap are deaf people, so, that means access to support is significantly

:34:27. > :34:30.reduced, the Government is talking about widening the scheme to have as

:34:31. > :34:35.many deaf and disabled people who require the support to have access

:34:36. > :34:40.to out, which is clearly very welcome, but, even those from the

:34:41. > :34:45.deaf and disabled people we are speaking to, say that they are

:34:46. > :34:51.negatively being impacted by the levels 06 support which means this

:34:52. > :34:55.is highly discriminateliry. You recently finished writing a book but

:34:56. > :35:01.it almost didn't happen because of issues Penny. What were the problems

:35:02. > :35:06.you faced? Well I thought this was would give context to of the issues

:35:07. > :35:10.to access to work, this happened because of it but despite is. I

:35:11. > :35:15.could not have written this book, which was published in September, so

:35:16. > :35:21.it is a lovely new baby, I am very proud of it but every step of the

:35:22. > :35:27.way with Access to Work, it is fraught with incompetence, loss of

:35:28. > :35:34.paperwork, loss of named support on their end, you get a different

:35:35. > :35:39.person each time, there is also the culture now seeping into Access to

:35:40. > :35:46.Work of you asking for something that isn't genuine, it feeds into

:35:47. > :35:53.the scrounger attitude that you so often, is thrown at disabled people,

:35:54. > :35:59.I can say when it began, I have been an activist for 30 year, which is

:36:00. > :36:04.partly detailed in my book, but we thought it was going to be a

:36:05. > :36:08.wonderful thing, and we have to ask the Government do they want us to

:36:09. > :36:13.work? They do, the Government says they are trying to get a million

:36:14. > :36:18.more people into work, and they are... It won't happen's they are

:36:19. > :36:24.spending no that are... It is available to people who need

:36:25. > :36:27.support. This may then help more people instead of being able to give

:36:28. > :36:34.more money to individuals if you see what I mean. What do you think about

:36:35. > :36:37.that? Is it better, to help a larger number of people.

:36:38. > :36:41.TRANSLATION: There is no evidence to suggest that would be the case. What

:36:42. > :36:46.we need to do is get away from the rhetoric that the Government

:36:47. > :36:49.constantly spouts out, and look at the reality of every disabled

:36:50. > :36:53.person's lived experience, you know, this is a scary time because we have

:36:54. > :36:57.already seen them tinkering round with things like the independent

:36:58. > :37:04.living fund to the point where they close it. DLA and PIP we know that

:37:05. > :37:07.that, the cumulative effect of the changes that are happening to

:37:08. > :37:12.disabled people are slowly taking away all the building blocks we need

:37:13. > :37:15.to be able to contribute and participate to society, so the

:37:16. > :37:21.rhetoric the Government is spouting out, is just not the reality, you

:37:22. > :37:26.know I have been using Access to Work for the last ten years and I

:37:27. > :37:30.have seen just this terrible, terrible increase in the

:37:31. > :37:34.bureaucracy, the misunderstanding, the inaccuracy. In that time, it

:37:35. > :37:40.would be interesting to know what has changed practically on a day to

:37:41. > :37:44.level for you. It has move to being a system that supports you in work,

:37:45. > :37:49.to a system where you have to justify every single thing you do,

:37:50. > :37:53.and actually, if you don't give them the right answer, sorry I have had

:37:54. > :37:57.an example where they said we think there is a cheaper taxi company that

:37:58. > :38:05.can get you to your job, you will have to use this one, then when we

:38:06. > :38:09.used that taxi company they didn't have any wheelchair accessible taxi,

:38:10. > :38:13.disabled people know best who their needs are and you have probably

:38:14. > :38:20.worked out the best and cheapest want toy do it. So the reality is,

:38:21. > :38:25.that, that this is a cut and Britain needs to work up and rise against

:38:26. > :38:30.these kinds of changes that are taking on the fabric of society that

:38:31. > :38:36.isn't supporting disabled people. I want to get a quick word from Mira

:38:37. > :38:39.as well. You are a government adviser to the department for work

:38:40. > :38:42.and pension, you say they are committed to supporting disabled

:38:43. > :38:49.people to get into employment, would you say that is accurate? No, I

:38:50. > :38:55.wouldn't. I think what we are seeing is a reinforcement of this narrative

:38:56. > :39:00.of people being deserving is of support and people being undeserving

:39:01. > :39:04.is. It goes along with the political ideology of Government which states

:39:05. > :39:08.that the support will be reduced over time and people should get on

:39:09. > :39:12.with it. If we want to commit to people being valued members of the

:39:13. > :39:19.community and society, then it requires an effective support

:39:20. > :39:25.scheme, which is funded but which is also run by and afforded people, it

:39:26. > :39:30.will require people have more of a voice and a presence within those

:39:31. > :39:32.discussions. Have you been approached by the Department for

:39:33. > :39:39.Work and Pensions? For this scheme? No, I haven't. Not for some time

:39:40. > :39:44.now, as an Access to Work user, who has, I would echo what Penny and

:39:45. > :39:48.John say which is over time I have seen the scrutiny increase, the

:39:49. > :39:51.emphasis on medical labels, on medical diagnosis to justify support

:39:52. > :39:56.hand is never what Access to Work was about. I suppose my

:39:57. > :39:59.recommendations for the DWP and Government would be release the

:40:00. > :40:03.statistics which show how many people have had their support cut

:40:04. > :40:07.after being reassessed which I don't think is out there, and opposition

:40:08. > :40:13.parties need to demand that as. We I also think that the Government needs

:40:14. > :40:19.to recognise what the UN CRPD committee said when they said they

:40:20. > :40:23.recognise the support systems are causing human catastrophe. I also

:40:24. > :40:28.think people need to be in positions of political power, and need to have

:40:29. > :40:33.a political voice in order to run and develop and design access to

:40:34. > :40:36.work. OK. Thank you all for. Coming in today. Department for Work and

:40:37. > :41:05.Pensions didn't have a minister available to talk to us but said

:41:06. > :41:07.Stuart Bingham - the 2015 World Snooker champion -

:41:08. > :41:10.has been banned for 6 months for breaching WPBSA betting rules.

:41:11. > :41:14.Three months and one day of the ban will be suspended.

:41:15. > :41:16.David Unsworth will take temporary charge of Everton,

:41:17. > :41:20.following the sacking of Ronald Kooman yesterday.

:41:21. > :41:22.following the sacking of Ronald Koeman yesterday.

:41:23. > :41:24.They play Chelsea in the League Cup fourth round tomorrow.

:41:25. > :41:28.Rob Greenwood, the coach accused of creating a "climate of fear"

:41:29. > :41:30.within the British para-swimming setup, has been given

:41:31. > :41:32.the "full support backing" of the British Swimming Coaches

:41:33. > :41:39.and is yet to comment publicly about the findings.

:41:40. > :41:41.And twelve-time Grand Slam champion Novak Djokovic is set

:41:42. > :41:44.to play his first match since Wimbledon at the World Tennis

:41:45. > :41:48.The world number seven, whose season ended early in August

:41:49. > :41:50.because of an elbow injury, is set to play in the Abu

:41:51. > :42:01.Dhabi exhibition event at the end of December.

:42:02. > :42:02.Redundancies, cutting the subjects on offer,

:42:03. > :42:07.asking for extra money from parents, teachers bringing in their own

:42:08. > :42:10.They're all ways that schools have coped with cuts

:42:11. > :42:11.in their budgets from central government.

:42:12. > :42:13.This morning parents, teachers and school support workers

:42:14. > :42:15.are gathering at Parliament this morning to protest.

:42:16. > :42:18.Schools in England have been promised an extra ?1.3 billion over

:42:19. > :42:21.two years but the Institute for Fiscal Studies says it means

:42:22. > :42:26.a real-terms freeze on school budgets for two years.

:42:27. > :42:29.We can now speak to two people attending today's rally.

:42:30. > :42:31.Michelle Sheehy is the head teacher of a primary school

:42:32. > :42:35.in the West Midlands who says her staff do bring

:42:36. > :42:38.in their own supplies, and in the next two years she's

:42:39. > :42:42.faced with making at least one teacher redundant.

:42:43. > :42:44.She's also a member of the head teachers union.

:42:45. > :42:47.Flora Page is a mother whose daughters aged 5 and 13 went

:42:48. > :42:57.She says she's seen big differences because of funding cuts.

:42:58. > :43:05.Thank you both for coming in. How bad is it? Think it is much worse

:43:06. > :43:09.than anybody realises. I have, I am the head teacher for a primary

:43:10. > :43:13.school, I am the head teacher a junior school as well, and I had the

:43:14. > :43:18.opportunity to do that because I was faced with a situation where I did

:43:19. > :43:25.have to make somebody redundant or I had to think of something innovative

:43:26. > :43:30.to do, so I am now head teach over two schools which means my salary is

:43:31. > :43:35.shared, which means it is put off any redundancies possibly for a year

:43:36. > :43:40.or two. But you foe, we are protected to have a deficit of

:43:41. > :43:44.100,000 in two years' time, so we are going to have to think again. So

:43:45. > :43:48.what things have you, up to this point what have you had to cut?

:43:49. > :43:53.Well, what we have tried to do is protect the children as much as

:43:54. > :43:59.possible, so it is the teachers really that have, they have given

:44:00. > :44:05.extra time without being paid. For example, we took some children on

:44:06. > :44:09.residential, two of our staff stayed camping for two weeks, straight,

:44:10. > :44:13.doing all the cooking, and looking after the children, as they were, we

:44:14. > :44:18.kept changing the cohorts that were staying there. And they are

:44:19. > :44:24.prepareded that for no extra money at all. It is things like that and

:44:25. > :44:29.staff are bringing in things to give the ching new e pences and unless I

:44:30. > :44:33.tell them, you really must charge this to school they don't. What do

:44:34. > :44:37.you say to staff? They shouldn't really be doing it? I think that

:44:38. > :44:40.shouldn't and I tell them they shouldn't. When all is said and done

:44:41. > :44:44.they are there for the children, it is no hike a business, it is a

:44:45. > :44:50.school, it is little people, and it is is really important to give

:44:51. > :44:53.children such a wide range of activities, you know, there is no

:44:54. > :44:57.point in sitting them in a class room and filling their heads with

:44:58. > :45:01.knowledge, they can go and look anything they want to, up on Google

:45:02. > :45:07.for example. We need to have children of the future who are

:45:08. > :45:11.resilient who are able to problem solve, invent thing, you know, and

:45:12. > :45:14.think for themselves basically, that is why we try hard to keep such a

:45:15. > :45:22.wide range. Why are you taking part today? For

:45:23. > :45:27.the same reasons really, it is about making sure that the next generation

:45:28. > :45:34.of children are fit for the future world. Just sort of taking things

:45:35. > :45:38.back to basics, keeping kids in classrooms in rows, doing things

:45:39. > :45:42.because they're cheap is not the way that will build a society that is

:45:43. > :45:49.able to cope with everything that the future's going to throw at them.

:45:50. > :45:54.Your two youngest children are eight years apart, but attend the same

:45:55. > :46:02.primary school. How have things changed. Where schools have faced

:46:03. > :46:06.cuts it is obvious that some of the vacancies that have come up through

:46:07. > :46:15.staff leaving haven't been readvertised. The PTA at our primary

:46:16. > :46:19.school is very active and they raise money, but the increasingly the

:46:20. > :46:25.school without perhaps wanting to directly ask, is looking for ways to

:46:26. > :46:33.try to fill their problems from the PTA coughers and -- coffers. To

:46:34. > :46:37.asking for money? Yes. Which is, the PTA is part of that full enrichment

:46:38. > :46:44.about giving children opportunities to see, to explore the world, to be

:46:45. > :46:48.inventive and creative, all the things that will be important for

:46:49. > :46:51.them in adult lie, but yet it costs money.

:46:52. > :46:57.The Minister for School Standards Nick Gibb said:

:46:58. > :47:00."The fact is that under this government, there are 1.8m more

:47:01. > :47:02.children being taught in good or outstanding schools than in 2010.

:47:03. > :47:05.The claims being made by the trade union about school funding

:47:06. > :47:09.There are no cuts in funding - every school will see an increase

:47:10. > :47:20.in funding through the formula from 2018."

:47:21. > :47:22.Nineteen years ago after years of sexual harassment

:47:23. > :47:23.as Harvey Weinstein's assistant, Zelda Perkins decided

:47:24. > :47:27.She quit after another colleague told her she had been sexually

:47:28. > :47:34.Solicitors advised both women to seek damages from Weinstein

:47:35. > :47:37.and the sum of ?250,000 was split between them on the proviso

:47:38. > :47:39.they signed a Disclosure Agreement forbidding them from

:47:40. > :47:46.Since the many Weinstein allegations of rape,

:47:47. > :47:49.sexual assault and harassment have come to light, Zelda Perkins has

:47:50. > :47:55.Refusing to be silenced, she has spoken to the Financial Times

:47:56. > :47:57.journalist Matthew Garrahan about the pressure these

:47:58. > :48:14.Can I ask you first of all, how you both made contact? We had a mutual

:48:15. > :48:19.friend who approached me and we spoke a couple of times and then at

:48:20. > :48:25.length again in the last few days. We put the story together over the

:48:26. > :48:29.weekend and it ran, it is running in the newspaper this morning. But it

:48:30. > :48:33.took a long time to get the story for her to talk about, to go through

:48:34. > :48:41.the background of what happened to her and the result is this big

:48:42. > :48:50.disclosure by her. She is breaking this non-disclosure agreement that

:48:51. > :48:52.has kept her silent for 19 years. Non-disclosure doesn't mean

:48:53. > :48:57.liability, but what are the implications of breaking that

:48:58. > :49:02.agreement? Well, I mean, the big one is she could be sued. She has broken

:49:03. > :49:07.a contract she signed with Harvey Weinstein and there are all sorts of

:49:08. > :49:11.obligations she made to him and his company that he ran about keeping

:49:12. > :49:15.quiet. But the big issue here and why this is so interesting, is

:49:16. > :49:21.because she was asked to keep quiet about lots of different things. She

:49:22. > :49:26.had to promise never to tell any friends or relatives or give the

:49:27. > :49:31.names of any relatives she spoke to. She had to promise in the event of a

:49:32. > :49:36.criminal investigation about Harvey Weinstein she would say nice things

:49:37. > :49:40.about him. The other bombshell is the biggest law firm in London

:49:41. > :49:45.representing Harvey Weinstein, it is the firm that put together this

:49:46. > :49:55.water tight agreement. I think nearly 20 years on, she shies it is

:49:56. > :50:01.the right -- she feels it is the right time that talk. Have you spoke

:50:02. > :50:05.on the her today? Yes, she is feeling a range of emotions. This is

:50:06. > :50:12.something she didn't talk about for such a long time. She wants to shine

:50:13. > :50:15.a light on the process, the non-disclosure agreement process and

:50:16. > :50:20.the complicity of law firms and the way the rich and powerful can use

:50:21. > :50:28.them to keep people quiet. We will have to leave it. And breaking a

:50:29. > :50:36.non-disclosure agreement does not mean liability. Harvey Weinstein all

:50:37. > :50:50.along has denied any allegations of nonconsensual sexual activity.

:50:51. > :50:54.The law on abortion is under review in Northern Ireland.

:50:55. > :50:56.This Friday marks 50 years since the Abortion Act,

:50:57. > :50:58.when termination became a legal option for women not

:50:59. > :51:00.wanting to continue their pregnancy, up to 24 weeks.

:51:01. > :51:03.But unlike the rest of the UK, abortion is illegal in almost all

:51:04. > :51:06.circumstances in Northern Ireland and women can face up

:51:07. > :51:12.It's estimated that 12 women travel from the country to the UK every

:51:13. > :51:13.day to access a safe and legal termination.

:51:14. > :51:16.Our reporter Catrin Nye went to Belfast earlier this year

:51:17. > :51:20.A few weeks after Sarah's wedding, she found out she was pregnant.

:51:21. > :51:22.It was all planned, she was delighted, but then

:51:23. > :51:26.There was nothing above the baby's eyes basically, there was no

:51:27. > :51:37.Sarah's baby had anencephaly, which occurs in about six

:51:38. > :51:41.There is no treatment, and babies with it die

:51:42. > :51:45.before they are born, or shortly after birth.

:51:46. > :51:48.To not have a baby at the end of it, I felt like I couldn't...

:51:49. > :51:52.We didn't call it an abortion, we said we wanted a medical

:51:53. > :51:56.termination, and that's all it is, and they said, "Sorry we can't help

:51:57. > :52:00.you, you would have to go abroad, go across the water".

:52:01. > :52:02.Unlike the rest of the UK, abortion is illegal here

:52:03. > :52:07.in Northern Ireland, in almost all circumstances.

:52:08. > :52:10.That meant that at 21 weeks pregnant Sarah had to travel to London

:52:11. > :52:17.It is that experience that means she is involved in this court case.

:52:18. > :52:19.Grainne Teggart is Campaigns Manager for Northern Ireland

:52:20. > :52:24.Sarah Ewart had to travel to England for a termination after her baby

:52:25. > :52:34.Alban Maginness recently left the Social Democratic

:52:35. > :52:37.and Labour Party in Northern Ireland as a member of the legislative

:52:38. > :52:39.assembly - he is anti-abortion and says people may only be

:52:40. > :52:46."for or against" and there is no in between.

:52:47. > :52:54.Thank you for joining us. This is day one, the Supreme Court will

:52:55. > :52:56.examine whether Northern Ireland's strict abortion laws breach human

:52:57. > :53:01.rights. What are you hoping will happen? We're hoping that the court

:53:02. > :53:11.will do what our politicians have pailed to do and -- failed failed to

:53:12. > :53:15.to do and bring about a change in the law. It is very important that

:53:16. > :53:21.we acknowledge the difficult circumstances that women in Northern

:53:22. > :53:27.Ireland find themselves in. When the law makes abortion illegal that

:53:28. > :53:30.doesn't mean that abortion doesn't happen. It just makes it difficult

:53:31. > :53:36.for women. In what circumstances is it legal? It is legal in theory

:53:37. > :53:40.where there is a substantial risk to the life and the mental health of

:53:41. > :53:44.woman. But we know from our work that it is very difficult to get a

:53:45. > :53:56.lawful termination in Northern Ireland. Only 16 women were able to

:53:57. > :54:01.access termination for 2015/2016 and 600 travelled to the rest of the UK.

:54:02. > :54:05.Sarah, how do you feel about what is happen something We have been going

:54:06. > :54:10.at this for four years, it has been a very long time. I'm just hoping

:54:11. > :54:15.that the Supreme Court with help us and change the law for women who end

:54:16. > :54:22.up in circumstances that I found myself in. Why was a termination

:54:23. > :54:26.right for you? I had many conversations with my consultant and

:54:27. > :54:31.they assured me the condition my baby had, it was never going to have

:54:32. > :54:35.a chance of surviving. I felt I couldn't continue with my pregnancy.

:54:36. > :54:40.For me, I just wanted the process over, the pregnancy, the end as soon

:54:41. > :54:43.as possible. As someone knowing the outcome and what happened next would

:54:44. > :54:47.be different because of where you live, how did you feel about that

:54:48. > :54:55.and what was the process from then? It was very scary to find out we had

:54:56. > :54:58.the travel abroad. The extra stress emotionally and financially... It

:54:59. > :55:05.wasn't needed. We should have had this done at home with our own

:55:06. > :55:09.medicals. It is a medical procedure. Alban, how significant in Northern

:55:10. > :55:16.Ireland politics is today's appeal? I think it is very significant

:55:17. > :55:26.indeed, the Northern Ireland court of appeal decided that there was no

:55:27. > :55:30.right, no human right to abortion in any circumstance in relation to the

:55:31. > :55:40.pregnancy of a woman in Northern Ireland. They did so on the basis of

:55:41. > :55:43.the rights of European court and said the local Assembly has a

:55:44. > :55:49.discretion as to whether or not to introduce that sort of legislation.

:55:50. > :55:54.So I think that the Supreme Court will have a constitutional issue to

:55:55. > :55:58.address today, as much as the issue of abortion itself. And I think that

:55:59. > :56:03.the Northern Ireland court of appeal got it right, because it totally is

:56:04. > :56:08.consistent with the European convention on human rights. 700

:56:09. > :56:13.women a year are travelling from Northern Ireland to England, Wales

:56:14. > :56:18.and Scotland for the procedure, the abortion act was legalised in

:56:19. > :56:24.England Wales and Scotland. Isn't it time to bring Northern Ireland

:56:25. > :56:30.up-to-date. And you have had 8 million abortions. That is a sad

:56:31. > :56:36.reflection on the people of Britain that such a terrible tool of life of

:56:37. > :56:42.babies in the womb has taken place. But what I say is this, we should be

:56:43. > :56:46.looking after those women who feel, who have a crisis pregnancy, we

:56:47. > :56:49.should be investing money in supporting them and giving them the

:56:50. > :56:58.best possibility medical treatment. I would like you to talk directly to

:56:59. > :57:06.Sarah, what would you have to say to Sarah. I have talked to her before

:57:07. > :57:15.and I believe it is a matter of the human right of the infant that the

:57:16. > :57:20.mother is in fact carrying that the infant is entitled to protection,

:57:21. > :57:25.the human rights protection as in the European convention of human

:57:26. > :57:28.life, article two of that convention. I think Sarah should

:57:29. > :57:34.have been given the proper support that she required in order to

:57:35. > :57:39.deliver the baby. The baby and... Many mothers have had their babies

:57:40. > :57:44.delivered in similar circumstances. Sarah, your response to that? I had

:57:45. > :57:49.many, well four scans and I was offered another and at one meeting

:57:50. > :57:53.with my consultant, he said the baby I was carrying was like a baby on a

:57:54. > :57:57.life support machine and when its you turn that off. I don't think it

:57:58. > :58:03.is fair for me to be forced to carry a baby that has no chance of living

:58:04. > :58:07.life independently and I totally admire the women who can go through

:58:08. > :58:11.with the pregnancies and carry on, but I just felt I couldn't do that

:58:12. > :58:14.and it needs to be that option there for women who can't do it. What do

:58:15. > :58:21.you think the outcome of this will be? We hope the Supreme Court will

:58:22. > :58:27.correct the human rights abuse against women and this is the 50

:58:28. > :58:32.years of Abortion Act. Thank you we are out of time.