27/10/2017

0:00:09 > 0:00:11Hello.

0:00:11 > 0:00:13It's Friday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Chloe Tilley,

0:00:13 > 0:00:14welcome to the programme

0:00:14 > 0:00:17A cyber attack that crippled parts of the NHS back in May could have

0:00:17 > 0:00:23been avoided if certain security measures had been in place.

0:00:23 > 0:00:26A report into the incident that froze computers,

0:00:26 > 0:00:28causing operations to be cancelled, says that the health

0:00:28 > 0:00:33service was just not prepared for an attack.

0:00:34 > 0:00:41In some cases, organisations had to resort to telephone, paper and pen,

0:00:41 > 0:00:45apps such as WhatsApp in terms of communicating with others.

0:00:45 > 0:00:48We'll be speaking to the man who was in charge of overseeing

0:00:48 > 0:00:51cyber security for the NHS in England at half past ten.

0:00:51 > 0:00:54Young people who need mental health care are waiting too long

0:00:54 > 0:00:56for their treatment - the commission that monitors care

0:00:56 > 0:00:58provision says that treatment varies considerably according

0:00:58 > 0:01:01to where people live and that some children are waiting up to 18

0:01:01 > 0:01:06months for treatment.

0:01:06 > 0:01:10The young people that I visit when I work as an independent mental health

0:01:10 > 0:01:15advocate on an adolescent board, and families say to me if they have

0:01:15 > 0:01:18their help earlier they would not have been in that position, they

0:01:18 > 0:01:23would not be in hospital.We will hear from some people about their

0:01:23 > 0:01:26experiences of accessing mental health services at 9.15.

0:01:26 > 0:01:33The wait isn't quite over - as the files about the assassination

0:01:33 > 0:01:35of American president John F Kennedy are released.

0:01:35 > 0:01:36Donald Trump delays

0:01:36 > 0:01:38some of the more sensitive case notes after requests

0:01:38 > 0:01:42from the CIA and FBI.

0:01:47 > 0:01:49Hello,

0:01:49 > 0:01:54welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning.

0:01:54 > 0:01:57Have you had any experiences, good or bad, trying to access mental

0:01:57 > 0:01:58health care for children and young people?

0:01:58 > 0:02:01We are talking about that and also later in the show

0:02:01 > 0:02:04we are going to talk about the rules around sharing details

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0:02:18 > 0:02:22Our top story today...

0:02:22 > 0:02:24An investigation into the cyberattack that brought down parts

0:02:24 > 0:02:28of the NHS in May has found that it could have been prevented if basic

0:02:28 > 0:02:29security measures had been in place.

0:02:29 > 0:02:31The National Audit Office says that the health service wasn't

0:02:31 > 0:02:34prepared for the attack, which saw criminals freeze computers

0:02:34 > 0:02:35and demand a ransom.

0:02:35 > 0:02:41It calls on the NHS to develop a clear plan to deal

0:02:41 > 0:02:44with future threats.

0:02:44 > 0:02:45Here's our Technology Correspondent Rory Cellan-Jones.

0:02:45 > 0:02:47It was an attack which froze computers around the world.

0:02:47 > 0:02:50But the NHS was among the organisations worst affected

0:02:50 > 0:02:54and the National Audit Office says it was ill-prepared.

0:02:54 > 0:02:56The report details the impact of the worst ever cyber attack

0:02:56 > 0:02:59on the health service.

0:02:59 > 0:03:0281 health trusts across England were affected, a third of the total.

0:03:02 > 0:03:05It's thought over 19,000 appointments ended up

0:03:05 > 0:03:13being cancelled, including 139 potential cancer referrals.

0:03:13 > 0:03:16What planning there had been to deal with a cyberattack just hadn't

0:03:16 > 0:03:19filtered down to the hospitals.

0:03:19 > 0:03:22Some work had been done on a national cyber response plan

0:03:22 > 0:03:25in the NHS, but that hadn't been well communicated to all of those

0:03:25 > 0:03:34local bodies and in some cases organisations had to resort

0:03:34 > 0:03:37to telephone, and paper and pen, and apps such as WhatsApp in terms

0:03:37 > 0:03:39of communicating with others.

0:03:39 > 0:03:41Those hospitals which saw computers infected by the malicious software

0:03:41 > 0:03:43had ignored instructions to install a security patch which would

0:03:43 > 0:03:47have protected them.

0:03:47 > 0:03:51Now the NHS says lessons have been learned.

0:03:51 > 0:03:52We have been getting our act together.

0:03:52 > 0:03:54We are getting our act together.

0:03:54 > 0:03:55We're putting funding in.

0:03:55 > 0:03:58We're putting education in.

0:03:58 > 0:04:01We're rolling out the programmes that were in place before this

0:04:01 > 0:04:05attack and we will continue to improve over time.

0:04:05 > 0:04:07There are more serious cyber attackers waiting to strike.

0:04:07 > 0:04:09Hospital trusts are warning the government they may

0:04:09 > 0:04:11need to spend more money to strengthen their defences.

0:04:11 > 0:04:15Rory Cellan-Jones, BBC News.

0:04:17 > 0:04:22Our Technology Correspondent Rory Cellan-Jones is with me.

0:04:22 > 0:04:25Just explain what measures are in place now to make sure this doesn't

0:04:25 > 0:04:30happen again.Well, across the NHS people have been told to get their

0:04:30 > 0:04:38act together and the key thing here is to respond when NHS Digital, the

0:04:38 > 0:04:40Central organisation, sends out warning is instructing people to

0:04:40 > 0:04:43upgrade their computers with a security patch. The key thing that

0:04:43 > 0:04:49went wrong here is that there was a warning in March and April, fix your

0:04:49 > 0:04:52Windows computer systems with this patch and you should be safe. If the

0:04:52 > 0:04:56hospitals had done that, and obviously lots of them did, they

0:04:56 > 0:05:00would have been protected. But they didn't. The other thing is having a

0:05:00 > 0:05:04plan that filters down from the top to every local hospital. That is

0:05:04 > 0:05:08what didn't happen here. There was some kind of plan, it was never

0:05:08 > 0:05:11rehearsed. When disaster struck, people didn't know what to do. They

0:05:11 > 0:05:15didn't know who to call, for instance.Is it clear why the

0:05:15 > 0:05:19hospitals didn't do the upgrade they were warned about a few months

0:05:19 > 0:05:23before?This is a problem in lots of organisations, frankly. There are

0:05:23 > 0:05:27security patches coming out almost on a daily basis. The threats are

0:05:27 > 0:05:38there, new threats every day.

0:05:41 > 0:05:43Organisations find it difficult to have the resources in place, the

0:05:43 > 0:05:46people in place, and the agency to do that. But I think this has been a

0:05:46 > 0:05:49wake-up call to lots of them.I was reading that this could have been

0:05:49 > 0:05:52far worse, if it had happened in the middle of winter?It was a Friday in

0:05:52 > 0:05:55May, not a particularly busy time. If it happened on a Monday in

0:05:55 > 0:05:57winter, the knock-on effect would have been much worse. But they have

0:05:57 > 0:06:00been warned by the National Audit Office that there are worse threats

0:06:00 > 0:06:03out there. This was a particularly unsophisticated attack. A much more

0:06:03 > 0:06:06sophisticated attack could cause a lot more damage. They have got to

0:06:06 > 0:06:09shore up their defences.Thank you for coming by.

0:06:09 > 0:06:11Vicki Young is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

0:06:11 > 0:06:13of the rest of the days news.

0:06:13 > 0:06:16A Government ordered review of mental health services

0:06:16 > 0:06:18for children in England has found that thousands of children

0:06:18 > 0:06:22are not getting the support they need, when they need it.

0:06:22 > 0:06:25Inspectors from the Care Quality Commission concluded services

0:06:25 > 0:06:28were too fragmented and hard to access.

0:06:28 > 0:06:31Our health correspondent Rob Sissons reports.

0:06:31 > 0:06:34Alice battled anorexia throughout her teenage years.

0:06:34 > 0:06:38She waited around six months for a mental health assessment

0:06:38 > 0:06:41and to get specialist treatment, she was told she'd have to travel

0:06:41 > 0:06:44100 miles from her home.

0:06:44 > 0:06:48She's concerned some young people are still waiting too long.

0:06:48 > 0:06:52We're talking about young people with mental health problems that

0:06:52 > 0:06:55are so distressed with their own minds that they don't even know how

0:06:55 > 0:07:00they're going to get through the day and to then turn around to them

0:07:00 > 0:07:03and ask them to wait, you know, six, 12, 18 months for the help

0:07:03 > 0:07:09that they desperately need is incredibly distressing.

0:07:09 > 0:07:12The Care Quality Commission report suggests 39% of specialist community

0:07:12 > 0:07:14services need improving.

0:07:14 > 0:07:16It warns services are too fragmented and a more joined-up

0:07:16 > 0:07:21approach is needed.

0:07:21 > 0:07:24The report highlights evidence that one in four children who needed care

0:07:24 > 0:07:26were unable to access it.

0:07:26 > 0:07:29The commission warns children's lives may be being put at risk

0:07:29 > 0:07:31because of the failings.

0:07:31 > 0:07:36Suicide is one of the leading causes of death in young people.

0:07:36 > 0:07:39What we do know is that waiting a long time,

0:07:39 > 0:07:41or not being able to access a service when you need it,

0:07:41 > 0:07:46inherently increases the risk.

0:07:46 > 0:07:48Alice welcomes the Government's promised to invest an extra £1.4

0:07:48 > 0:07:50billion into children's mental health services over

0:07:50 > 0:07:52the next four years.

0:07:52 > 0:07:57The Care Quality Commission has revealed the scale of the problems.

0:07:57 > 0:07:59Its next piece of work will be to come up with

0:07:59 > 0:08:00some detailed solutions.

0:08:00 > 0:08:04Rob Sissons, BBC News.

0:08:04 > 0:08:07And in the next few minutes we'll be speaking to the families of children

0:08:07 > 0:08:10who have had to face long delays for mental health treatment.

0:08:10 > 0:08:13Spain's political crisis is likely to deepen today if - as expected -

0:08:13 > 0:08:16the Senate backs a plan by the central government to remove

0:08:16 > 0:08:19some powers from the autonomous region of Catalonia and to take over

0:08:19 > 0:08:22the running of its institutions.

0:08:22 > 0:08:26Madrid wants to reassert control by triggering an article

0:08:26 > 0:08:28in the Spanish constitution that's designed to prevent regions

0:08:28 > 0:08:31from breaking away.

0:08:31 > 0:08:32But it's thought the Catalan Parliament may respond

0:08:32 > 0:08:33by declaring independence.

0:08:33 > 0:08:39Andrew Plant reports

0:08:40 > 0:08:4227 days after this crisis started, each day, crowds have gathered,

0:08:42 > 0:08:45speeches have been made, and each day, an agreement has

0:08:45 > 0:08:48seemed further away.

0:08:51 > 0:08:54On one side, Catalonia considering declaring independence

0:08:54 > 0:09:00and on the other, Spain considering taking back control.

0:09:00 > 0:09:02On Thursday, Catalonian president Carles Puigdemont could have

0:09:02 > 0:09:03declared independence, which would have angered

0:09:03 > 0:09:08the Spanish government.

0:09:08 > 0:09:10Or he could've backtracked, which would have angered

0:09:10 > 0:09:12his own supporters.

0:09:12 > 0:09:14Instead, he did neither.

0:09:15 > 0:09:18TRANSLATION: My responsibility as president of Catalonia

0:09:18 > 0:09:22was to exhaust all the options available.

0:09:22 > 0:09:24What we need is de-escalation and dialogue.

0:09:24 > 0:09:26But once again, I have not had a satisfactory reply

0:09:27 > 0:09:29from the Spanish government.

0:09:29 > 0:09:31Spain's national government could now vote to take

0:09:31 > 0:09:34away his control.

0:09:36 > 0:09:38TRANSLATION: Launching article 155 of the constitution,

0:09:38 > 0:09:42which will affect Catalonia's autonomy, is the last resort.

0:09:42 > 0:09:44It's the only way to restore legality, tolerance,

0:09:44 > 0:09:49democracy, and economic stability to Catalonia.

0:09:49 > 0:09:52This is all the fault of the Catalan president.

0:09:56 > 0:09:59Today, the Spanish senate will vote on unravelling Catalonia's powers -

0:09:59 > 0:10:03something which has never been done before.

0:10:03 > 0:10:06That much is clear, but the future is not.

0:10:06 > 0:10:09The question - what will happen here if Spain strips away

0:10:09 > 0:10:11Catalonia's regional powers?

0:10:11 > 0:10:14The answer - no-one really knows the repercussions might be.

0:10:18 > 0:10:20Andrew Plant, BBC News.

0:10:20 > 0:10:23Australia's High Court has ruled that the country's

0:10:23 > 0:10:24deputy prime minister, Barnaby Joyce, should be

0:10:24 > 0:10:26disqualified from office because he held dual

0:10:26 > 0:10:29citizenship when elected.

0:10:29 > 0:10:33The verdict has cost the Australian government its one-seat majority

0:10:33 > 0:10:36in parliament and a by-election will now be held in December.

0:10:36 > 0:10:39Four other politicians have also been ruled ineligible

0:10:39 > 0:10:43to remain in parliament.

0:10:43 > 0:10:46French scientists say patients who have heart surgery

0:10:46 > 0:10:48in the afternoon are less likely to suffer complications than those

0:10:48 > 0:10:51who are treated in the morning.

0:10:51 > 0:10:54Their research - published in The Lancet medical journal -

0:10:54 > 0:10:56argues that the body clock makes the heart stronger during

0:10:56 > 0:10:59the afternoon than in the morning, and it's more able to withstand

0:10:59 > 0:11:02the rigours of surgery.

0:11:03 > 0:11:05President Trump has declassified almost 3,000 documents related

0:11:05 > 0:11:07to the assassination of John F Kennedy in 1963.

0:11:07 > 0:11:10But he decided to to keep hundreds of other files secret,

0:11:10 > 0:11:17at least for the time being, at the request of security agencies.

0:11:19 > 0:11:21Mr Trump had earlier indicated that all of the files

0:11:21 > 0:11:26would be made public, as Peter Bowes reports.

0:11:26 > 0:11:28Page after page, previously top-secret documents,

0:11:28 > 0:11:30many of them handwritten, from the investigation

0:11:30 > 0:11:37into the assassination of John F Kennedy.

0:11:37 > 0:11:39It was November 22, 1963 when Lee Harvey Oswald shot

0:11:39 > 0:11:46the president as he was travelling in an open top limousine in Dallas.

0:11:46 > 0:11:48ARCHIVE:It appears as though something has happened

0:11:48 > 0:11:52in the motorcade route.

0:11:52 > 0:11:54The official investigation concluded that Oswald had acted alone.

0:11:54 > 0:11:56ARCHIVE: President Kennedy has been assassinated.

0:11:56 > 0:12:00It is official now - the President is dead.

0:12:00 > 0:12:02But more than 50 years later, many Americans find it difficult

0:12:02 > 0:12:05to believe the official version of what happened.

0:12:05 > 0:12:07Conspiracy theorists think information could have been withheld

0:12:07 > 0:12:12to avoid embarrassing government agencies.

0:12:12 > 0:12:14Historians, journalists, and legal scholars are now poring

0:12:14 > 0:12:16over the almost 3,000 documents just released,

0:12:16 > 0:12:18searching for clues and discrepancies in the official

0:12:18 > 0:12:22story on new facts to back it up.

0:12:24 > 0:12:30Several hundred documents are being held back for further scrutiny.

0:12:30 > 0:12:32There will be a six-month review period after

0:12:32 > 0:12:34the CIA and FBI expressed concern about their content.

0:12:34 > 0:12:37It's a move that will only fuel the conspiracy theories.

0:12:39 > 0:12:41A UN-backed report has concluded the Syrian government was behind

0:12:41 > 0:12:44a chemical attack on the town of Khan Sheikhoun earlier this year

0:12:44 > 0:12:51which killed about 90 people.

0:12:51 > 0:12:54Investigators said the nerve agent sarin was dropped from an aircraft.

0:12:54 > 0:12:56Syria has previously denied responsibility.

0:12:58 > 0:13:00In Thailand, the new king has collected fragments of bone

0:13:00 > 0:13:02from the cremated remains of his father,

0:13:02 > 0:13:06the late King Bhumibol.

0:13:06 > 0:13:08The ritual is part of the 5-day funeral that's brought

0:13:08 > 0:13:10the nation to a standstill.

0:13:10 > 0:13:13The relics will be placed in golden urns to be transported in procession

0:13:13 > 0:13:17to the Grand Palace later today.

0:13:17 > 0:13:20At least four people have been killed and dozens injured

0:13:20 > 0:13:21in violence surrounding Kenya's second presidential

0:13:21 > 0:13:25election in three months.

0:13:25 > 0:13:28Less than half of eligible voters cast a ballot yesterday,

0:13:28 > 0:13:31far lower than the 80% who voted in the original election in August

0:13:31 > 0:13:36when President Kenyatta was declared the winner.

0:13:36 > 0:13:38Opposition leaders had called for a boycott

0:13:38 > 0:13:43of the poll amid claims of voting irregularities.

0:13:43 > 0:13:46The voice of Pope Francis has been heard in the heavens as he made

0:13:46 > 0:13:48a video call from the Vatican to astronauts aboard

0:13:48 > 0:13:51the International Space Station.

0:13:51 > 0:13:53His 20 minute call to the crew included questions about love,

0:13:53 > 0:13:56life in zero gravity, and what makes them happy

0:13:56 > 0:13:59whilst they're in orbit.

0:14:11 > 0:14:14We can see the peace and serenity of our planet as it goes around

0:14:14 > 0:14:16at ten kilometres a second, and there's no borders,

0:14:16 > 0:14:21there is no conflict.

0:14:21 > 0:14:23It's just peaceful and you see the thinness of the atmosphere

0:14:23 > 0:14:27and it makes you realise how fragile our existence here is.

0:14:32 > 0:14:36That is a summary of the latest BBC News. There will be more at 9.30.

0:14:36 > 0:14:40Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

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0:14:47 > 0:14:49Let's get some sport with John Watson.

0:14:50 > 0:14:51In the next hour,

0:14:51 > 0:14:54the Rugby League World Cup will get under way in Melbourne.

0:14:54 > 0:14:57England have the daunting task of facing reigning champions

0:14:57 > 0:15:05Australia in that opening game.

0:15:05 > 0:15:09Some are they confident?I think so, it could not have been a tough

0:15:09 > 0:15:14start, you have to factor that into the equation. They are getting the

0:15:14 > 0:15:19tournament under way in about an hour's time. They are regarded as

0:15:19 > 0:15:23one of the favourites for the trophy but they have had a terrible run

0:15:23 > 0:15:26against Australia. They have not beaten them since the opening match

0:15:26 > 0:15:30of the 1995 World Cup. It has been a long winless run.

0:15:30 > 0:15:32But they have some great players.

0:15:32 > 0:15:35Sam Burgess we know.

0:15:35 > 0:15:38The last World Cup he played in was for England in the ill fated

0:15:38 > 0:15:40Rugby Union version two years ago.

0:15:40 > 0:15:43He plays his club Rugby League back in Australia now, in the NRL.

0:15:43 > 0:15:45One of seven or eight players who play their club rugby

0:15:45 > 0:15:51in Australia, so they should know what to expect.

0:15:51 > 0:15:55We have all dreamt about winning the World Cup, certainly. The players in

0:15:55 > 0:15:57the squad, you need the ambition,

0:15:57 > 0:15:58World Cup, certainly. The players in the squad, you need the ambition, or

0:15:58 > 0:16:02you need the want to be able to go and win the World Cup. You're not

0:16:02 > 0:16:06just going to sit around and not think about it and then it then

0:16:06 > 0:16:10happen. You have to visualise it. To remain focused, you then have to

0:16:10 > 0:16:16bring yourself back into day that we face and be present and understand

0:16:16 > 0:16:20what it takes to win a competition, what it takes to win games. That is

0:16:20 > 0:16:27where our mindset is at the moment. 14 teams involved, including

0:16:27 > 0:16:33Scotland and Wales, so tell us how it will unfold.14 teams split

0:16:33 > 0:16:37across four groups. Three host countries, Wales, Scotland and

0:16:37 > 0:16:42Ireland also feature, representing the home nations. Wales are up

0:16:42 > 0:16:45against co-hosts Papua New Guinea tomorrow. This is them arriving a

0:16:45 > 0:16:51pretty awesome reception, I think it's fair to say. It will be pretty

0:16:51 > 0:16:55hot there and it is the national sport in Papua New Guinea, so they

0:16:55 > 0:16:59can expect a hostile reception, I think it's fair to say. Ireland also

0:16:59 > 0:17:03take them on in their first match in the coming days as well. Scotland

0:17:03 > 0:17:08have a tough test against New Zealand. But they have a good chance

0:17:08 > 0:17:15of reaching the knockout stages. They managed to draw against New

0:17:15 > 0:17:20Zealand in a previous tournament. It is worth watching Tonga, a really

0:17:20 > 0:17:25exciting team who could go all the way. And women's tournament runs

0:17:25 > 0:17:29alongside the men's, starting next month. England are the sole

0:17:29 > 0:17:37representatives from Europe. There will be a final in Brisbane in

0:17:37 > 0:17:46December. Live coverage of England's match on BBC Two this morning.

0:17:46 > 0:17:48If a young person experiences mental health problems

0:17:48 > 0:17:50the NHS is supposed to provide services to help them,

0:17:50 > 0:17:52with a belief that early intervention is key.

0:17:52 > 0:17:55But a new study from the Care Quality Commission has

0:17:55 > 0:17:57found some children in England are facing long delay for treatment

0:17:57 > 0:18:01- sometimes as long as 18 months.

0:18:01 > 0:18:06The Department of Health says it's investing £1.4 billion

0:18:06 > 0:18:08into improving children's mental health care but staff

0:18:08 > 0:18:11for the NHS's Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services have told

0:18:11 > 0:18:20this programme services are still extremely underfunded.

0:18:20 > 0:18:23Joining us now is Cathal Morrow - his eight-year-old had to wait 18

0:18:24 > 0:18:25months before he received treatment.

0:18:25 > 0:18:28Helena Miles used mental health services for most of her teens.

0:18:28 > 0:18:32Louise Theodosiou is from the Royal College of Psychiatrists.

0:18:32 > 0:18:36And Labour MP for Liverpool Wavertree Luciana Berger,

0:18:36 > 0:18:41who is president of the party's campaign for mental health.

0:18:41 > 0:18:47Thank you all for joining us. Can I ask first - 18 months for your son

0:18:47 > 0:18:56to access mental health treatment. Why the delay?About three years

0:18:56 > 0:19:03ago, he had a breakdown, and the school were unbelievable. We pushed

0:19:03 > 0:19:06for an assessment, got it, but it didn't really say anything. We were

0:19:06 > 0:19:10pushing and pushing, and they drip fed us a little bit, but nothing

0:19:10 > 0:19:19much in terms of services. Then a year ago, he was in hospital for a

0:19:19 > 0:19:23week, then they moved him up to a level three, and from there, he has

0:19:23 > 0:19:29been having weekly therapy. I have been having services, counselling

0:19:29 > 0:19:33and stuff, and it has been excellent. But it was an insane

0:19:33 > 0:19:38delay.Helene, you have access mental health services throughout

0:19:38 > 0:19:44your teens - did you struggle to get access to those services?It took

0:19:44 > 0:19:50awhile for to take my mental health, not seriously, but to take it into

0:19:50 > 0:19:56serious consideration. It took until I was sectioned for me to get a

0:19:56 > 0:19:59diagnosis of post-traumatic stress disorder.What impact does that have

0:19:59 > 0:20:05on you, and on your son of those delays?I didn't have a teenage

0:20:05 > 0:20:11period. It took a long time for me to learn about myself and my mental

0:20:11 > 0:20:16health, and I kind of feel like I am now catching up on being a teenager

0:20:16 > 0:20:20and being at university, getting to know myself better. When I was a

0:20:20 > 0:20:24teenager, I felt like an empty shell, not a real human being.For

0:20:24 > 0:20:31my son, the delay in mental health... If you break your leg, it

0:20:31 > 0:20:33gets fixed, but mental health is something that needs work

0:20:33 > 0:20:39immediately, and the delays have meant that he has been taken out of

0:20:39 > 0:20:46school and is being home-schooled. It has a massive knock-on effect.I

0:20:46 > 0:20:53want to bring in Louise. To give us a perspective from the inside, if

0:20:53 > 0:21:00you would, Louise, why is there this delay? People watching would say

0:21:00 > 0:21:04that a young boy needing help, 18 months of his life is a long time to

0:21:04 > 0:21:08wait.It is, and it is important that we are looking at this issue

0:21:08 > 0:21:14today. One of the things we have heard is that what happens is that

0:21:14 > 0:21:17you cannot fix things quickly, and we know that in order for children's

0:21:17 > 0:21:21needs to be met, work has to start early. One of the things we all need

0:21:21 > 0:21:28to do is to build up people's resilience, the same way we are all

0:21:28 > 0:21:31working on our physical health every day. We know that less than 1% of

0:21:31 > 0:21:34the investment in health care has been in child and adolescent mental

0:21:34 > 0:21:37health services for a long time, and although more money is coming now,

0:21:37 > 0:21:42it is coming after a long period of underinvestment, which means that

0:21:42 > 0:21:45not only our services small, but there is not a workforce to recruit

0:21:45 > 0:21:50from, so we need more people to be working in young people's mental

0:21:50 > 0:21:54health services and more people in the services around them, such as

0:21:54 > 0:21:58youth services, education and social care. We also need people to be able

0:21:58 > 0:22:02to recognise when children really are struggling, and once again, that

0:22:02 > 0:22:07is about training and awareness. It is fantastic that because more

0:22:07 > 0:22:11people are aware of children's mental health needs, there is a

0:22:11 > 0:22:15drive out there and people are stepping forward, and we have seen

0:22:15 > 0:22:19in the past three years referrals to child and adolescent mental health

0:22:19 > 0:22:25services going up by almost 50%.So why is it that people aren't

0:22:25 > 0:22:30attracted to working in the services, or are leaving?That's a

0:22:30 > 0:22:35really important question. I can say that I love working in the service,

0:22:35 > 0:22:39and I can say that when services are working well, they are amazing

0:22:39 > 0:22:44places to work. We need to recognise that the work can be very difficult,

0:22:44 > 0:22:49particularly with the underfunding, and people can feel that they are

0:22:49 > 0:22:53not offering a good service because there's not enough people around.

0:22:53 > 0:22:58It's fantastic that there is increasing awareness, and we know

0:22:58 > 0:23:02that we need people to be valued, to have good supervision and clear

0:23:02 > 0:23:08leadership, and there are a lot of new innovations coming in, like

0:23:08 > 0:23:11Future In Mind, and other documents that have come out in the past two

0:23:11 > 0:23:14years which make it clear what we need to do for people, and to

0:23:14 > 0:23:18provide the training that is needed, and to make our workforce feel

0:23:18 > 0:23:23valued. Programmes like this, people are realising how important the work

0:23:23 > 0:23:27we do is come and that makes people feel valued and that they are being

0:23:27 > 0:23:35heard.Luciano, the Government has committed £1.4 billion to children's

0:23:35 > 0:23:38and adolescent health services, so things are moving in the right

0:23:38 > 0:23:43direction quick smackthe money has been announced, but in terms of it

0:23:43 > 0:23:46reaching the front line, the row many examples, including here in

0:23:46 > 0:23:52Liverpool, where we have seen cuts to our young people's mental health

0:23:52 > 0:24:01services. -- things are moving in the right direction? We have seen

0:24:01 > 0:24:06waiting times of six months just to get an assessment. That doesn't help

0:24:06 > 0:24:09support them with their mental health needs. It is not just

0:24:09 > 0:24:12happening in Liverpool but right across the country. With the budget

0:24:12 > 0:24:16coming up, we have an opportunity to say to the Chancellor that we need

0:24:16 > 0:24:19to have the money they promised to mental health ring fenced to make

0:24:19 > 0:24:23sure it reaches the front line, because there are many examples of

0:24:23 > 0:24:27it not happening. That is why this report, along with many others over

0:24:27 > 0:24:35the past two years, really shine a light on the fact that children's

0:24:35 > 0:24:37mental health services are the Cinderella of the Cinderella

0:24:37 > 0:24:45services of the NHS.I can see you shaking your head. What is going

0:24:45 > 0:24:51through your mind listening to this? I used to volunteer at the Centre

0:24:51 > 0:24:55for children and families, and we had so many stories of cuts and

0:24:55 > 0:24:58underfunding, the fact that adult services get more funding than

0:24:58 > 0:25:05children's, but many users of youth services go one to use adult

0:25:05 > 0:25:11services. Honestly, this topic is so important to me, and it has shaped

0:25:11 > 0:25:19my life. I just want it to be OK, which is really hard to do. Talking

0:25:19 > 0:25:31about it is really useful, but there's just no funding.At the

0:25:31 > 0:25:36service my son goes to, people are leaving in droves.Staff?Yes, and

0:25:36 > 0:25:45really good people. If you care about your job, and half of it is

0:25:45 > 0:25:50saying no to a kid who really needs help, it is their job to do that,

0:25:50 > 0:25:54and how does that make you feel as a caring professional? Massively

0:25:54 > 0:26:00demoralised. And people are leaving. They have had pay cuts. My son's

0:26:00 > 0:26:06therapist, who is unbelievable, he is one of two therapists for the

0:26:06 > 0:26:10whole NHS Trust, which is former London boroughs.We were talking

0:26:10 > 0:26:14before we came on air and you were both saying that once you do access

0:26:14 > 0:26:21those services, they are fantastic. Unbelievable. My son has an amazing

0:26:21 > 0:26:27social worker. My son is being helped by the home tuition service,

0:26:27 > 0:26:30which is great. They are all amazing people, and they are really

0:26:30 > 0:26:34dedicated, and they are fighting against cuts. They have to say no

0:26:34 > 0:26:40because there is in the money to say yes.Without the NHS staff and

0:26:40 > 0:26:44others, I wouldn't even be sitting here today, to be honest, but there

0:26:44 > 0:26:51are so many young people who aren't sitting here, especially LGBT and

0:26:51 > 0:26:55kids from poorer backgrounds. It's so much harder for them. But for the

0:26:55 > 0:27:01ones who do get to access it, it is often good stories.Louise, you

0:27:01 > 0:27:06raised before the increase in the number of referrals that your

0:27:06 > 0:27:09services are getting for children and adolescent mental health - is

0:27:09 > 0:27:14this, in part, a good thing? You have had Prince Harry talking about

0:27:14 > 0:27:20mental health, the stigma seems to be being removed within society, but

0:27:20 > 0:27:23therefore, there is a consequence that your services are having to

0:27:23 > 0:27:30take.Absolutely, and in part, I welcome the increase in referrals

0:27:30 > 0:27:32because we know that mental health problems, like physical health

0:27:32 > 0:27:36problems, need to be treated. There isn't anything to be ashamed of. We

0:27:36 > 0:27:41know that one in four young women will experience depression. We need

0:27:41 > 0:27:47to be getting things right. I agree with the Leonard that poor people

0:27:47 > 0:27:50and people from minority groups tend to have greater needs, and we need

0:27:50 > 0:28:02to make sure that services are accessible to everyone. -- I agree

0:28:02 > 0:28:07with the Leonard.Is it potluck, a postcode lottery, that determines

0:28:07 > 0:28:12what services you can get in your area?That has been the case for a

0:28:12 > 0:28:15long time, and this report exposes that, where there is real variance

0:28:15 > 0:28:20in the level and quality of services across the country. Some are good,

0:28:20 > 0:28:27some outstanding, but it is not right that 20% of inpatient services

0:28:27 > 0:28:29require improvement, and 30% of services in the community need

0:28:29 > 0:28:35improving. It is part of this wider ambition to ensure that the close

0:28:35 > 0:28:39that gap and achieve that real equality for mental health that we

0:28:39 > 0:28:46have for physical health. We are on a journey, but ultimately, to make

0:28:46 > 0:28:50the greatest difference we need to make sure that locally all of our

0:28:50 > 0:28:53services prioritise mental health. That is not happening in Liverpool,

0:28:53 > 0:28:57but not just here, across the country. Our local commissioning

0:28:57 > 0:29:01groups are not held to account to ring fence that Monday, which means

0:29:01 > 0:29:05it is spent on other things. The young people you have heard from,

0:29:05 > 0:29:09and the parent you have heard from today, this is about people's

0:29:09 > 0:29:13futures. We know that the majority of adults with mental health

0:29:13 > 0:29:16condition will have developed it as a young person. It doesn't make

0:29:16 > 0:29:19sense not to intervene and support people earlier on, because it will

0:29:19 > 0:29:23affect the book into their adult life if we do not. Not only does

0:29:23 > 0:29:27that have an impact on adults in terms of maintaining relationships,

0:29:27 > 0:29:34accessing employment and being able to pay for things in life, but

0:29:34 > 0:29:37actually, it costs our economy. For so many different reasons, it is

0:29:37 > 0:29:41important that what we talk about when it comes to young people's

0:29:41 > 0:29:44mental health actually translates into supporting people early on.

0:29:44 > 0:29:48It's not happening at the moment, but it needs to, for so many

0:29:48 > 0:29:51different reasons. That is why I hope that in the budget we will see

0:29:51 > 0:29:55that change.I want to bring capital backing, because if there are

0:29:55 > 0:30:06parents at home struggling -- to bring Cathal back in. You have got

0:30:06 > 0:30:14support for your son, but what would you say to other parents?Push.

0:30:14 > 0:30:18You have just got to push and demand. I am not a pushy parent. My

0:30:18 > 0:30:22kids have no more rights than anybody else's kids, but they have a

0:30:22 > 0:30:25right to the services. You have to keep pushing and pushing. The people

0:30:25 > 0:30:31at the other end, the CAMHS people come they want to help young people

0:30:31 > 0:30:34but they are not allowed because the money is not there. Push for the

0:30:34 > 0:30:37services and keep on pushing.Thanks for coming in to talk us.

0:30:37 > 0:30:39A Department of Health spokesperson said:

0:30:39 > 0:30:40"Our commitment to improving children's mental healthcare

0:30:40 > 0:30:42is shown by our additional £1.4 billion investment,

0:30:42 > 0:30:47more trained staff and more children and young people accessing care.

0:30:47 > 0:30:50But there is more to do which is why we commissioned this review

0:30:50 > 0:30:56and will publish a Green Paper on Children and Young

0:30:56 > 0:30:59People's Mental Health by the end of the year."

0:30:59 > 0:31:03Still to come: The Spanish senate will today vote on whether to impose

0:31:03 > 0:31:05direct rule over Catalonia - after the Catalan government

0:31:05 > 0:31:09yesterday didn't call a snap election or declare independence.

0:31:13 > 0:31:15And tomorrow night, in Cardiff, Anthony Joshua will seek to defend

0:31:15 > 0:31:17his crown as World Heavyweight Champion.

0:31:17 > 0:31:20We'll speak to one of his team as they prepare for the fight.

0:31:26 > 0:31:27Time for the latest news.

0:31:27 > 0:31:31Here's Vicki.

0:31:31 > 0:31:33An investigation into the cyber

0:31:33 > 0:31:36attack that brought down parts of the NHS in May has found it

0:31:36 > 0:31:39could have been prevented if basic security measures had been in place.

0:31:39 > 0:31:41The National Audit Office says the health service wasn't prepared

0:31:41 > 0:31:44for the attack and must develop a clear plan to deal

0:31:44 > 0:31:47with future threats.

0:31:47 > 0:31:50NHS England says it has invested in improving security and stressed

0:31:50 > 0:31:53that no harm was caused to patients.

0:31:55 > 0:31:57Thousands of children across England are having to face extremley long

0:31:57 > 0:32:00waiting times for mental health treatment, according to a review

0:32:00 > 0:32:03by Government inspectors.

0:32:03 > 0:32:05The Care Quality Commission found that services are too

0:32:05 > 0:32:08fragmented and hard to access.

0:32:08 > 0:32:15The Department of Health says it is investing an extra

0:32:15 > 0:32:161.4 billion in children's mental health services

0:32:16 > 0:32:18over the next four years.

0:32:18 > 0:32:20French scientists say patients who have heart surgery

0:32:20 > 0:32:22in the afternoon are less likely to suffer complications than those

0:32:22 > 0:32:24who are treated in the morning.

0:32:24 > 0:32:26Their research - published in The Lancet medical journal -

0:32:26 > 0:32:29argues that the body clock makes the heart stronger during

0:32:29 > 0:32:31the afternoon than in the morning, and it's more able to withstand

0:32:31 > 0:32:36the rigours of surgery.

0:32:39 > 0:32:41The Spanish Senate is expected to approve government plans

0:32:41 > 0:32:45to reduce the powers of the region of Catalonia today.

0:32:45 > 0:32:49The Catalan authorities say such a move would worsen

0:32:49 > 0:32:51the political crisis, making a declaration

0:32:51 > 0:32:53of independence by the regional parliament more likely -

0:32:53 > 0:32:56though no decision has been reached yet.

0:32:58 > 0:33:00Australia's High Court has ruled that the country's

0:33:00 > 0:33:02deputy prime minister, Barnaby Joyce, should be

0:33:02 > 0:33:03disqualified from office because he held dual

0:33:03 > 0:33:09citizenship when elected.

0:33:09 > 0:33:12The verdict has cost the Australian government its one-seat majority

0:33:12 > 0:33:15in parliament and a by-election will now be held in December.

0:33:15 > 0:33:17Four other politicians have also been ruled ineligible

0:33:17 > 0:33:20to remain in parliament.

0:33:22 > 0:33:25President Trump has declassified almost 3000 documents related

0:33:25 > 0:33:33to the assassination of John F Kennedy in 1963.

0:33:33 > 0:33:36But Mr Trump decided to keep hundreds of other files secret,

0:33:36 > 0:33:39at least for the time being, at the request of security agencies.

0:33:39 > 0:33:41The President had earlier indicated that all of the files

0:33:41 > 0:33:45would be made public.

0:33:45 > 0:33:48That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

0:33:48 > 0:33:54Here's some sport now with John Watson.

0:33:54 > 0:33:57The Rugby League World Cup will get under way in Melbourne.

0:33:57 > 0:33:59England have the daunting task of facing reigning champions

0:33:59 > 0:34:03Australia in that opening game.

0:34:03 > 0:34:09They haven't beaten them since 1995. Preparations continue ahead of next

0:34:09 > 0:34:11year's World Cup.

0:34:11 > 0:34:14Harlequins prop Joe Marler is set to be available for two

0:34:14 > 0:34:16of England's three autumn internationals next month.

0:34:16 > 0:34:18He was suspended for striking, but it's understood his club

0:34:18 > 0:34:20have successfully queried the verdict with the

0:34:20 > 0:34:26European Cup authorities.

0:34:26 > 0:34:32A great night ahead for Anthony Joshua. He is looking to

0:34:32 > 0:34:37successfully defend his world title. You are talking to his

0:34:37 > 0:34:41physiotherapist this morning. He wants to become the first man to

0:34:41 > 0:34:50hold all four world heavyweight titles.

0:34:50 > 0:34:52US President Donald Trump has ordered the release of 2,800 files

0:34:52 > 0:34:54on President John F Kennedy's assassination.

0:34:54 > 0:34:56But he blocked the release of other files, citing

0:34:56 > 0:34:58national security concerns.

0:34:58 > 0:35:00Senior administration officials did not say what the contents

0:35:00 > 0:35:02of the records being shared by the National Archives

0:35:02 > 0:35:03yesterday were.

0:35:03 > 0:35:05So what will we learn from the JFK files?

0:35:05 > 0:35:09This short film explains more.

0:35:10 > 0:35:12I don't think anybody should be looking for any bombshells.

0:35:12 > 0:35:16There won't be a document pointing to a second gunman in Dallas.

0:35:16 > 0:35:19I think all of the most credible evidence we have all these years

0:35:19 > 0:35:22shows that Lee Harvey Oswald was the gunman in Dealey Plaza and

0:35:22 > 0:35:25almost certainly the lone gunman.

0:35:25 > 0:35:32But I think there is a real question as to whether or not other people

0:35:32 > 0:35:35knew he was going to do this and encouraged him to do this.

0:35:35 > 0:35:38You know, he was not the pure lone wolf that the US government

0:35:38 > 0:35:38tried to portray him as.

0:35:40 > 0:35:43To my mind, this has always been sort of the secret chapter

0:35:43 > 0:35:44of the Kennedy assassination drama.

0:35:44 > 0:35:48Why did Lee Harvey Oswald, who was a self-proclaimed Marxist,

0:35:48 > 0:35:50a champion of Castro's revolution, go to Mexico City just several weeks

0:35:50 > 0:35:54before the assassination, where he met with Cuban spies,

0:35:54 > 0:35:57Russian spies and other people who, at the height of the Cold War,

0:35:57 > 0:36:01might have wanted to see Kennedy dead.

0:36:03 > 0:36:06There is evidence out there that Oswald, while he is in Mexico City,

0:36:06 > 0:36:09openly talked about killing Kennedy.

0:36:09 > 0:36:11The question becomes whether or not any of those people offered

0:36:11 > 0:36:14to help him or give him encouragement, or offered to help

0:36:14 > 0:36:17him escape after the assassination.

0:36:17 > 0:36:20It's very clear that the United States government never

0:36:20 > 0:36:23wanted to get to the bottom of that because, if they had,

0:36:23 > 0:36:26it would have exposed just how much more the government had known

0:36:26 > 0:36:30about the assassin before the assassination.

0:36:32 > 0:36:35The question has always been what more did the CIA know

0:36:35 > 0:36:37about Oswald in real-time, just several weeks before

0:36:37 > 0:36:39the assassination?

0:36:40 > 0:36:43It's going to take weeks or months, or even years, to really

0:36:43 > 0:36:45understand these documents.

0:36:45 > 0:36:49They will be filled with CIA and FBI codenames, pseudonyms and a lot

0:36:49 > 0:36:52of jargon that people just aren't going to be able to understand.

0:36:52 > 0:36:59We're talking about hundreds of thousands of pages of documents.

0:36:59 > 0:37:07This is going to take a long while.

0:37:07 > 0:37:12After 10.30 we will be talking to a woman who was at the scene of the

0:37:12 > 0:37:16assassination when she was aged just 11.

0:37:16 > 0:37:20Spain's political crisis is likely to deepen

0:37:20 > 0:37:22today if - as expected -

0:37:22 > 0:37:25the Spanish senate gives the go ahead to government plans to regain

0:37:25 > 0:37:26control of the region of Catalonia.

0:37:26 > 0:37:29Madrid wants to trigger an article in the Spanish constitution that

0:37:29 > 0:37:32suspends devolution in autonomous regions - and say it's the only way

0:37:32 > 0:37:34to calm the political crisis in the region.

0:37:34 > 0:37:36Yesterday, the Catalan regional parliament debated a possible

0:37:36 > 0:37:38declaration of independence, but failed to reveal

0:37:38 > 0:37:39a favoured course of action.

0:37:39 > 0:37:44So how did we get here?

0:37:44 > 0:37:46On October the 1st a referendum on Catalan independence

0:37:46 > 0:37:48was held in the region, despite the poll being

0:37:48 > 0:37:55ruled unconstitutional by the country's supreme court.

0:37:55 > 0:37:57National police were brought into try and stop the vote

0:37:57 > 0:38:04from going ahead, leading to violent clashes.

0:38:04 > 0:38:08Catalan authorities say just under 90% of voters backed independence,

0:38:08 > 0:38:10although only 43% of voters took part.

0:38:10 > 0:38:11After the vote Catalonia's leaders declared independence,

0:38:11 > 0:38:14but then suspended it immediately.

0:38:14 > 0:38:16Spain's Prime Minister responded by announcing plans to remove

0:38:16 > 0:38:18the region's current leaders and hold fresh elections

0:38:18 > 0:38:24there as soon as possible.

0:38:24 > 0:38:28It is these plans that could be given the approval later today.

0:38:28 > 0:38:30Raphael Minder is a journalist and author of the book

0:38:30 > 0:38:35The Struggle for Catalonia - he joins me from Madrid.

0:38:35 > 0:38:44Rodrigo Martinez lives in Catalonia and did not vote because he did not

0:38:44 > 0:38:48think the referendum was legal. He does not think that Catalonia should

0:38:48 > 0:38:54have independence. Raphael, this is so confusing, the situation. First

0:38:54 > 0:38:59of all, Catalonia declares independence, then it says it is not

0:38:59 > 0:39:02going to happen. Tell us what is going on behind the scenes because

0:39:02 > 0:39:09this confusion.First, I am actually in Barcelona, just outside the

0:39:09 > 0:39:12parliament of Catalonia, where we are going to have another dramatic

0:39:12 > 0:39:20day, I fear. It is confusing. This is brinksmanship, last-minute

0:39:20 > 0:39:26attempts to get a political deal, knowing that what comes next is

0:39:26 > 0:39:31very, very dangerous territory for both sides. As you mentioned, the

0:39:31 > 0:39:34Government in Madrid is asking today the Senate to put into place

0:39:34 > 0:39:39emergency measures under an article in the Constitution that has never

0:39:39 > 0:39:43been tested before, article 155, which Spaniards are now discovering,

0:39:43 > 0:39:48the same way as British people discovered Article 50 of the Lisbon

0:39:48 > 0:39:54Treaty following the Brexit referendum. Yesterday, and this has

0:39:54 > 0:39:57been the case for several days, we saw last-minute attempts to avoid

0:39:57 > 0:40:04this situation reaching this climax. This has been the way all along. It

0:40:04 > 0:40:10is a game of chicken in which beach-side knows it cannot take full

0:40:10 > 0:40:15responsibility for what comes next, in which the separatists are pushing

0:40:15 > 0:40:20for a declaration of Independence, knowing that they can declare what

0:40:20 > 0:40:23they want but the government in Madrid has the power to make sure

0:40:23 > 0:40:26there is no independence in Catalonia and, in fact, return

0:40:26 > 0:40:29Catalonia to a situation where it loses the autonomy that it has had

0:40:29 > 0:40:35for 40 years and perhaps a major shake-up of the whole setup of

0:40:35 > 0:40:40Spain, the post-Franco setup that was achieved with a great deal of

0:40:40 > 0:40:46pain in the late 70s.Roderigo, we heard their Raphael describing it as

0:40:46 > 0:40:50a game of chicken. As a voter and somebody who decided not to vote in

0:40:50 > 0:40:53a referendum because you don't support independence, how do you

0:40:53 > 0:40:59feel about how the politicians are playing around with this right now?

0:40:59 > 0:41:08Well, I totally agree. I think the politicians right now are playing

0:41:08 > 0:41:17with us, playing with people. I think they only want to win more

0:41:17 > 0:41:22supporters. In Madrid, they want supporters for Spanish union. In

0:41:22 > 0:41:34Catalonia, they want supporters for the issues. So, I think the people

0:41:34 > 0:41:42are very tired of the situation, this play that the politicians are

0:41:42 > 0:41:48doing in Spain. I think the important point here is that people

0:41:48 > 0:41:55are tired.So, Raphael, explain what will happen if the Spanish

0:41:55 > 0:41:59government decides to take control back away from a region that

0:41:59 > 0:42:01currently is autonomous. Realistically, in day-to-day terms,

0:42:01 > 0:42:06what does that mean for people living in Barcelona?Well, we don't

0:42:06 > 0:42:11know, realistically. What are the measures say is that the Government

0:42:11 > 0:42:15can do a whole series of things but need not do them all. What the

0:42:15 > 0:42:19government that was asking for his permission to basically step in.

0:42:19 > 0:42:23Exactly how it does that isn't clear. What we know is that the

0:42:23 > 0:42:29Government of Mariano Rajoy has said it will remove the leadership of

0:42:29 > 0:42:35Catalonia. Doing that in practice is, in itself, a very converted

0:42:35 > 0:42:39thing. We don't know if the current leadership, led by Carles

0:42:39 > 0:42:44Puigdemont, will step back and agree to do so, or whether they will have

0:42:44 > 0:42:48to step out handcuffed with police are stepping into the government

0:42:48 > 0:42:51building in Barcelona, perhaps surrounded by angry crowds. This is

0:42:51 > 0:42:56step one. Step two is even more complicated, taking charge of the

0:42:56 > 0:43:02autonomous police force. Again, we don't know how easy that will be.

0:43:02 > 0:43:06What we know is that referendum Day, October the 1st, the Catalan police

0:43:06 > 0:43:12force basically did not put into force the orders given by Madrid to

0:43:12 > 0:43:15shut down all polling stations, which is why we then got into the

0:43:15 > 0:43:19terrible mess where Spanish police clashed with voters. Taking charge

0:43:19 > 0:43:26of a police force raises all sorts of issues about the loyalty of the

0:43:26 > 0:43:30security forces. That is very, very dangerous territory indeed. Then

0:43:30 > 0:43:34there are a series of other measures, including taking charge of

0:43:34 > 0:43:41the Public broadcasting in Catalonia. Whether that means just

0:43:41 > 0:43:44changing the equivalent of the director of the BBC or perhaps

0:43:44 > 0:43:50changing some of the presenters, the anchors and so on, we don't know.

0:43:50 > 0:43:53Any of these steps, it is a minefield in which the Government of

0:43:53 > 0:43:57Madrid is stepping in with great powers and authority, but without

0:43:57 > 0:44:03any guidance and no precedent in terms of exactly how you do it.

0:44:03 > 0:44:08Roderigo, do you worry about the things outlined there?No, I think

0:44:08 > 0:44:21if the law as an article, Article 155, I think you can apply it. It is

0:44:21 > 0:44:25not impossible. Maybe it is not an easy issue. But you can apply. We

0:44:25 > 0:44:34have public workers, they are not politicians. We do not need

0:44:34 > 0:44:38politicians to administrate the state. We have administrative

0:44:38 > 0:44:53workers. So, in an ideal situation, maybe six months, six months of

0:44:53 > 0:44:58central government administrating Catalonia and then elections again.

0:44:58 > 0:45:08I think it is not a very big deal. Maybe the people are afraid of the

0:45:08 > 0:45:17situation, of the application of that law. I think we cannot fear

0:45:17 > 0:45:20about the law.

0:45:20 > 0:45:23Oriol Margo Moreno is an industrial engineer from Barcalona who voted

0:45:23 > 0:45:24for independence via post, as he lives here in the uk.

0:45:31 > 0:45:34Tell me what you make of what is happening right now and the

0:45:34 > 0:45:40possibility of the autonomy being removed from Catalonia.

0:45:40 > 0:45:49I think Catalonia and Spain have been trying to get some Catalonian

0:45:49 > 0:45:52integration in Spain for some years and it hasn't been possible. It

0:45:52 > 0:45:56started quite a few years ago, and now I think it has reached a point

0:45:56 > 0:46:05of no return. We have seen a positive campaign in Scotland, like

0:46:05 > 0:46:09together we are better, but this hasn't happened in Catalonia. Today,

0:46:09 > 0:46:15I think there will be a potential declaration of Independence after

0:46:15 > 0:46:19the referendum that happened on the 1st of October, where people were

0:46:19 > 0:46:25trying to go and cast their votes than they were met by police with

0:46:25 > 0:46:33batons. You can't ask people not to go into the streets to be able to

0:46:33 > 0:46:40say what they want.I want to bring this to you, because in the last few

0:46:40 > 0:46:44moments, the Spanish prime minister, Mariano Rajoy, has asked the Senate

0:46:44 > 0:46:52today pose the Catalan leader, Mr Puigdemont. Do you worry, Roderigo,

0:46:52 > 0:46:56as a result of this and what could happen in the next few hours, that

0:46:56 > 0:46:59violence could return to the streets, as we saw on the day of the

0:46:59 > 0:47:12referendum?I hope not. I hope the people will continue peacefully. The

0:47:12 > 0:47:21great majority of people in Catalonia, now we're working, so we

0:47:21 > 0:47:30don't want that instability. We want to go back to stability in

0:47:30 > 0:47:35Catalonia. And confidence.Oriol, do you think there is a danger that

0:47:35 > 0:47:41could be more violence on the streets?It is surprising what I

0:47:41 > 0:47:46heard from Roderigo. I don't think there will be any violence from

0:47:46 > 0:47:50citizens. That has been no violence from citizens in Catalonia in any

0:47:50 > 0:47:54other demonstrations. We have had demonstrations every year with

0:47:54 > 0:47:57millions of people and there is no violence. Violence only came when

0:47:57 > 0:48:03they sent riot police. If there is any, it will be because the riot

0:48:03 > 0:48:07police will initiate it. We have seen people in the images holding

0:48:07 > 0:48:14hands like this. I don't think there will be violence unless the Spanish

0:48:14 > 0:48:21Government thinks that they need to send the police.Oriol, are you

0:48:21 > 0:48:26frustrated with your politicians right now?I am frustrated with the

0:48:26 > 0:48:29situation because I think no one should ignore that there are

0:48:29 > 0:48:32millions and millions of people in Catalonia demanding something

0:48:32 > 0:48:37different and they are not being listened to. I am not frustrated at

0:48:37 > 0:48:43what is happening, because I think it is a legitimate way to seek these

0:48:43 > 0:48:47ambitions, and I think we should listen. It cannot be ignored. And

0:48:47 > 0:48:54that's why democracy is there. If this is not what you like, democracy

0:48:54 > 0:49:05is the way forward, and that means ballot boxes. That is what happened.

0:49:05 > 0:49:12I think Madrid is potentially afraid to hear what they don't want to.

0:49:12 > 0:49:18Thank you for joining us today on the programme, gentlemen.

0:49:18 > 0:49:21The disclosure of childhood criminal records can impact on jobs,

0:49:21 > 0:49:24visas and house buying - is a report today right to say

0:49:24 > 0:49:29the rules should be relaxed?

0:49:31 > 0:49:33He went from just another boy at a boxing club,

0:49:33 > 0:49:37to Olympic Champion to global superstar.

0:49:37 > 0:49:44Tomorrow night, in Cardiff, Anthony Joshua, bids to defend his

0:49:44 > 0:49:48crown as World Heavyweight Champion against the Frenchman Carlos Takam.

0:49:48 > 0:49:50This time, his preparations have been disrupted,

0:49:50 > 0:49:52because his original opponent Kubrat Pulev pulled out

0:49:52 > 0:49:57through injury, leaving Takam to come in at short notice.

0:49:57 > 0:50:00Joshua has a lot to live up to this weekend.

0:50:00 > 0:50:02His last fight with Vladimir Klitschko went down as one

0:50:02 > 0:50:05of the best in history, as he picked himself off the canvas

0:50:05 > 0:50:09to win the WBA belt in heroic style.

0:50:09 > 0:50:12Here's a short clip from a BBC documentary about that

0:50:12 > 0:50:18fight with Klitschko - Anthony Joshua: The Road

0:50:18 > 0:50:22To Klitschko - where we can see how Joshua prepares on fight day...

0:50:32 > 0:50:33# Run, run

0:50:33 > 0:50:38# Run, run.#

0:50:38 > 0:50:41On fight day, there's pull-outs in every paper.

0:50:41 > 0:50:44You know, six, eight-page pull-outs.

0:50:44 > 0:50:48That doesn't happen in boxing.

0:50:48 > 0:50:50It's the sort of thing that happens in World Cups

0:50:50 > 0:50:52and European Championships.

0:50:52 > 0:50:55That's when it suddenly really dawns, tonight's the night.

0:50:55 > 0:51:00But he is so relaxed about everything.

0:51:00 > 0:51:06You know, the one phrase I hear him say a lot is, no stress.

0:51:06 > 0:51:08Boxing's tough enough as it is and if you're

0:51:08 > 0:51:11not going to enjoy it, you might as well give it up.

0:51:11 > 0:51:12LAUGHTER

0:51:12 > 0:51:18So I don't think having a little laugh will deter from me

0:51:18 > 0:51:21having the ambition to go out there and perform.

0:51:21 > 0:51:27LAUGHTER

0:51:27 > 0:51:29It's like the last little MOT before we take

0:51:29 > 0:51:32the car on the track.

0:51:32 > 0:51:37What I'm trying to do is just go with the flow.

0:51:37 > 0:51:40I'm here, I'm at peace, this is what I've been working for.

0:51:40 > 0:51:47Let's just go out there and have fun.

0:51:47 > 0:51:50Let's talk now to Rob Madden, who's Anthony Joshua's Physiotherapist

0:51:50 > 0:51:52and is at the hotel in Cardiff with his team now,

0:51:52 > 0:52:00and Barry Jones is a Former WBO Superfeatherweight World Champion.

0:52:00 > 0:52:06Thanks, both, for coming in. I want to start with Rob if I can. First of

0:52:06 > 0:52:09all, how disruptive was it for Anthony Joshua to have this change

0:52:09 > 0:52:21of opponent at a pretty late a la? First of all, thanks to Takam for

0:52:21 > 0:52:24stepping in, it takes a big man to do that. Training wise, it doesn't

0:52:24 > 0:52:33change much. The heavyweight game is tough, and Rob and AJ have put in

0:52:33 > 0:52:38the necessary training to prepare for a slightly different style.Is

0:52:38 > 0:52:45Takam and easier or more difficult opponent, in the view of your team?

0:52:45 > 0:52:48There is not much of a difference between them in the rankings, and

0:52:48 > 0:52:52both of them bring different assets to the ring, so I wouldn't

0:52:52 > 0:52:56necessarily say one fighter was better than the other. In the

0:52:56 > 0:52:59heavyweight game, you have to be prepared that anyone has the ability

0:52:59 > 0:53:05to really cause damage.Barry, I want to bring you in, because it is

0:53:05 > 0:53:09all about pressure at this point, isn't it? After that incredible

0:53:09 > 0:53:13fight against Wladimir Klitschko, Anthony Joshua came back, he was the

0:53:13 > 0:53:16hero. The pressure is on him - is that the main issue to deal with

0:53:16 > 0:53:23going into one of the sites?For any boxer, but someone as popular as

0:53:23 > 0:53:27Anthony Joshua, the pressure is immense. You saw how relaxed ears.

0:53:27 > 0:53:32What he is. He believes in himself, and that's what he he worries about.

0:53:32 > 0:53:35I think he just concentrates on what he has to do, and he's good enough.

0:53:35 > 0:53:42He doesn't have to worry about the change of opponent, except for the

0:53:42 > 0:53:47height and reach.He's a lot shorter, isn't he?About three

0:53:47 > 0:53:51inches shorter. That's an easy adjustment for Anthony Joshua,.

0:53:51 > 0:53:56Because he is so good with the left arm, an important weapon for any

0:53:56 > 0:53:59heavyweight, and he has mastered that punch, that is all he needs to

0:53:59 > 0:54:03worry about. If he does that, it is a relatively easy night for him.How

0:54:03 > 0:54:12does he deal with pressure? Give as a sense of what he is doing today.

0:54:12 > 0:54:15Really, we try to keep everything relax. He has his close friends

0:54:15 > 0:54:31around him. He is getting ready for the way in -- weigh-in. And he will

0:54:31 > 0:54:40just focus on the last bits of preparation.Is it easier to get

0:54:40 > 0:54:46ready for this fight than it was for the Wladimir Klitschko fight, which

0:54:46 > 0:54:54was so huge?Just before, I said the heavyweight game is a tough game.

0:54:54 > 0:54:59You can't take anything for granted, and it is 100% focused, always.I

0:54:59 > 0:55:03was reading what Anthony Joshua were saying a few days ago, saying he

0:55:03 > 0:55:08thinks he could dominate the sport for the next ten years - is that

0:55:08 > 0:55:11realistic as a heavyweight?Ten years, you never know who might come

0:55:11 > 0:55:15along. Another Anthony Joshua might come along. He is capable, he lives

0:55:15 > 0:55:22the right life, he has the right team behind him, which is very

0:55:22 > 0:55:24important for any fighter, but especially for a heavyweight, to

0:55:24 > 0:55:33keep your feet on the ground. He is a star, and that Klitschko win made

0:55:33 > 0:55:37him a global superstar, and everyone wants a piece of Anthony Joshua. Not

0:55:37 > 0:55:42just fights, also commercially, which will have added pressure. He

0:55:42 > 0:55:46is relaxed and happy with himself, and I just think he concentrates on

0:55:46 > 0:55:51what he has to do in the ring. He lives a very humble life for a very

0:55:51 > 0:55:56rich young man. He goes through the training camps as you would when you

0:55:56 > 0:56:02were a challenger. If he keeps that mode and that thing in his life,

0:56:02 > 0:56:07then I think he can almost dominate. I think now, he is the best

0:56:07 > 0:56:10heavyweight in the world. Until Tyson Fury comes back, he is the

0:56:10 > 0:56:14only guy who can rival him right now. Apart from that, I think he

0:56:14 > 0:56:19beats everyone who is put in front of him.What about the pressure? A

0:56:19 > 0:56:25crowd of 78,000 people will be there. For Anthony Joshua, not a

0:56:25 > 0:56:32problem. Takam - will it affect him? It might, but once the bell goes, it

0:56:32 > 0:56:35all goes away. When you have a monster like Anthony Joshua in front

0:56:35 > 0:56:39of you, you don't worry about people outside the ring, you got enough

0:56:39 > 0:56:45problems inside it. I think Joshua is used those big crowd. He will

0:56:45 > 0:56:51probably enjoy this more than the which coat fight, because he goes in

0:56:51 > 0:57:04not as the underdog. -- more than the Klitschko fight. It is the

0:57:04 > 0:57:09chance of a lifetime for Takam. We know, in this way, one punch can

0:57:09 > 0:57:19change a fight. -- in this weight category. One shot can totally

0:57:19 > 0:57:23change the outcome of the fight. Takam will think that if he can get

0:57:23 > 0:57:29close, he might cause problems. If Joshua can dominate with the jab, he

0:57:29 > 0:57:34can make it as easy as he wants it to be.Rob, clearly, Anthony Joshua

0:57:34 > 0:57:38feels very confident going into this fight?Yeah, very confident and

0:57:38 > 0:57:43calm. As Barry says, he is the same guy was up he's taking it seriously,

0:57:43 > 0:57:49though. He's not taking anything for granted. 100% confidence for the

0:57:49 > 0:57:54win, but be prepared for a decent challenger in Takam.Thank you for

0:57:54 > 0:57:57speaking to us, Rob. Wishing the best of luck. Thank you for coming

0:57:57 > 0:58:00in as well. Now, the weather with Simon.

0:58:04 > 0:58:08A chilly start to the day across many parts, but it has been a

0:58:08 > 0:58:12glorious start for many of us. We've had a pretty decent sunrise, as you

0:58:12 > 0:58:19can see from this first photo. That was sent in from Leeds, the sun

0:58:19 > 0:58:22rising there above the horizon. That has led many of us to have beautiful

0:58:22 > 0:58:27blue skies this morning. It's not the case everywhere. There are some

0:58:27 > 0:58:31fog patches around. This is the scene at the moment in Salford quays

0:58:31 > 0:58:42- a proper pea souper. It is a textbook fine day when the fog

0:58:42 > 0:58:46clears. Some lovely sunny spells. More of a breeze across the far

0:58:46 > 0:58:51north of Scotland. Some cloud will affect northern and western areas,

0:58:51 > 0:58:57and it will be a bit chilly compared to yesterday, temperatures of

0:58:57 > 0:59:0010-11dC. Sunshine through Northern Ireland and through northern England

0:59:00 > 0:59:04once the fog clears from the north-west. The same goes for Wales

0:59:04 > 0:59:09in southern England. Temperatures are down by a few deeds agrees -- a

0:59:09 > 0:59:15few degrees compare to yesterday. A bit of cloud in the South West will

0:59:15 > 0:59:19clear away, leaving sunshine. The high pressure that is giving us this

0:59:19 > 0:59:24settled weather today will drift further south going into Saturday,

0:59:24 > 0:59:27meaning the wind will pick up further across Scotland, and with

0:59:27 > 0:59:31it, a bit more moisture, so a bit of rain moving into the West of

0:59:31 > 0:59:35Scotland. Quite a chilly night again, temperatures down into single

0:59:35 > 0:59:39figures, lower than that in the countryside in southern and eastern

0:59:39 > 0:59:45areas. For the start of the weekend, quite a strong wind across northern

0:59:45 > 0:59:51areas, gales expected. Lots of cloud to the west, some outbreaks of rain.

0:59:51 > 0:59:58Some of it affecting north-west England and Wales. Sunshine through

0:59:58 > 1:00:02many other areas through tomorrow afternoon. Into Sunday, things start

1:00:02 > 1:00:07to change again. Look at the cold air, the blues moving down across

1:00:07 > 1:00:13the UK. The cold air not quite reaching Northern Ireland, Wales and

1:00:13 > 1:00:17the South West, so temperatures not falling quite as far here. They will

1:00:17 > 1:00:23stay at around 14 Celsius. Lots of sunshine across England, up into

1:00:23 > 1:00:28Scotland. Maximum temperatures only nine Celsius in the north-east, with

1:00:28 > 1:00:32a brisk northerly wind. That would feel quite chilly. Don't forget, the

1:00:32 > 1:00:36clocks go back by one hour in the early hours of Sunday morning.

1:00:36 > 1:00:39Unless you have young kids, like me, you get an extra hour in bed!

1:00:39 > 1:00:41Goodbye.

1:00:41 > 1:00:42Hello.

1:00:42 > 1:00:44It's Friday, it's 10 o'clock, I'm Chloe Tiley.

1:00:45 > 1:00:47The health service was just not prepared, says a report

1:00:47 > 1:00:51into the cyber attack which crippled parts of the NHS earlier this year.

1:00:51 > 1:00:55In some cases, organisations had to resort to telephone, paper and pen,

1:00:55 > 1:00:59apps such as WhatsApp in terms of communicating with others.

1:01:03 > 1:01:06So what is ransomware and how can you protect yourself?

1:01:06 > 1:01:10We'll be speaking to a former hacker and to a security analyst.

1:01:10 > 1:01:12For some who got a criminal conviction or caution

1:01:12 > 1:01:15while they were under 18, a childhood mistake can affect

1:01:15 > 1:01:21opportunities for jobs, travel and education.

1:01:21 > 1:01:23A report out today says it's time the rules around

1:01:23 > 1:01:25disclosing childhood criminal records were relaxed.

1:01:30 > 1:01:34We will hear from a qualified teacher who says she cannot get a

1:01:34 > 1:01:37job in school because of police cautions when she was a child. We

1:01:37 > 1:01:41will also hear from a recruiter who says it is important for employees

1:01:41 > 1:01:43to know exactly who they are hiring.

1:01:43 > 1:01:45Donald Trump, following requests from the CIA and FBI,

1:01:45 > 1:01:48delays the release of some of the more sensitive casenotes

1:01:48 > 1:01:52about the assassination of John F Kennedy.

1:01:52 > 1:01:55We will hear from a woman who was at the scene of the assassination when

1:01:55 > 1:01:57she was just 11.

1:01:59 > 1:02:02Good morning.

1:02:02 > 1:02:09Here's Vicki in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

1:02:09 > 1:02:11An investigation into the cyberattack that brought down parts

1:02:11 > 1:02:15of the NHS in May has found it could have been prevented if basic

1:02:15 > 1:02:16security measures had been in place.

1:02:16 > 1:02:19The National Audit Office says the health service wasn't

1:02:19 > 1:02:22prepared for the attack and must develop a clear plan to deal

1:02:22 > 1:02:28with future threats.

1:02:28 > 1:02:30The security minister says North Korea is to blame for the cyber

1:02:30 > 1:02:38attack.Computer crime often leaves a trace and our capabilities to

1:02:38 > 1:02:41track that. I can't go further into capabilities, but there are strong

1:02:41 > 1:02:45signs that came from North Korea and ourselves and the United States

1:02:45 > 1:02:51agree with that.

1:02:51 > 1:02:53The Spanish Senate is expected to approve government plans

1:02:53 > 1:02:56to reduce the powers of the region of Catalonia today.

1:02:56 > 1:02:58The Catalan authorities say such a move would worsen

1:02:58 > 1:03:00the political crisis - making a declaration

1:03:00 > 1:03:02of independence by the regional parliament more likely,

1:03:02 > 1:03:09though no decision has been reached yet.

1:03:09 > 1:03:11Thousands of children across England are having to face extremley long

1:03:11 > 1:03:14waiting times for mental health treatment, according to a review

1:03:14 > 1:03:18by Government inspectors.

1:03:18 > 1:03:20The Care Quality Commission found that services are too

1:03:21 > 1:03:22fragmented and hard to access.

1:03:22 > 1:03:28The Department of Health says it is investing an extra

1:03:28 > 1:03:291.4 billion in children's mental health services

1:03:29 > 1:03:33over the next four years.

1:03:33 > 1:03:36One former patient told this programme about her experience.

1:03:36 > 1:03:40It took a while for them to kind of take my mental health not

1:03:40 > 1:03:43seriously but take it into serious consideration and it took

1:03:43 > 1:03:45until I was sectioned for me to get a diagnosis

1:03:45 > 1:03:48of post-traumatic stress disorder.

1:03:48 > 1:03:52It took a really long time for me to kind of learn about myself

1:03:52 > 1:03:55and about my mental health and I kind of feel like now I'm

1:03:55 > 1:03:57catching up on being a teenager, being at university,

1:03:57 > 1:04:00getting to know myself a lot better.

1:04:00 > 1:04:03Whereas when I was a teenager, I felt like an empty shell.

1:04:03 > 1:04:08I didn't feel like a human being.

1:04:08 > 1:04:10Australia's High Court has ruled that the country's

1:04:10 > 1:04:12deputy prime minister, Barnaby Joyce, should be

1:04:12 > 1:04:13disqualified from office because he held dual

1:04:13 > 1:04:16citizenship when elected.

1:04:16 > 1:04:19The verdict has cost the Australian

1:04:19 > 1:04:21government its one-seat majority in parliament and a by-election

1:04:21 > 1:04:23will now be held in December.

1:04:23 > 1:04:25Four other politicians have also been ruled ineligible

1:04:25 > 1:04:29to remain in parliament.

1:04:29 > 1:04:32President Trump has declassified almost 3000 documents

1:04:32 > 1:04:36related to the assassination of John F Kennedy in 1963.

1:04:36 > 1:04:38But Mr Trump decided to keep hundreds

1:04:38 > 1:04:40of other files secret, at least for the time being,

1:04:40 > 1:04:44at the request of security agencies.

1:04:44 > 1:04:47The President had earlier indicated that all of the files

1:04:47 > 1:04:52would be made public.

1:04:52 > 1:04:54French scientists say patients who have heart surgery

1:04:54 > 1:04:56in the afternoon are less likely to suffer complications than those

1:04:56 > 1:04:58who are treated in the morning.

1:04:58 > 1:05:01Their research, published in The Lancet medical journal,

1:05:01 > 1:05:04argues that the body clock makes the heart stronger during

1:05:04 > 1:05:06the afternoon than in the morning, and it's more able to withstand

1:05:07 > 1:05:09the rigours of surgery.

1:05:11 > 1:05:17That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.30.

1:05:17 > 1:05:21Here's some sport now with John Watson.

1:05:21 > 1:05:24The Rugby League World Cup has just got under way in Melbourne,

1:05:24 > 1:05:28and England are first up.

1:05:28 > 1:05:31A fascinating opening match to the tournament. This is the atmosphere

1:05:31 > 1:05:37inside the rectangular stadium in Melbourne. Kick-off is moments away.

1:05:37 > 1:05:4014 teams competing from three co-host countries over the next six

1:05:40 > 1:05:44weeks. The women's tournament running alongside the men. It all

1:05:44 > 1:05:49builds to the double-header finale in Brisbane on the 2nd of December.

1:05:49 > 1:05:54It's a big moment for England. They haven't beaten Australia since the

1:05:54 > 1:05:57opening match of the 1995 World Cup. How they would love to produce a

1:05:57 > 1:06:00performance like that in Melbourne later.

1:06:00 > 1:06:01Scotland, Wales and Ireland also competing.

1:06:01 > 1:06:04Wales get their tournament under way against Papua New Guinea tomorrow.

1:06:04 > 1:06:07They got a a warm welcome on arrival, expect something very

1:06:07 > 1:06:09different on the pitch.

1:06:09 > 1:06:12Scotland face New Zealand in their opening match.

1:06:12 > 1:06:18Three of 14 teams competing, spread out over six weeks of action.

1:06:18 > 1:06:22You can follow it all across the BBC. There is live coverage now on

1:06:22 > 1:06:27BBC Two at the moment. Kick-off was scheduled for ten o'clock. It's

1:06:27 > 1:06:31moments away now. You can watch it all on BBC Two.

1:06:31 > 1:06:36The rugby union world cup is two years away -

1:06:36 > 1:06:38England head coach Eddie Jones selecting several new faces

1:06:38 > 1:06:40in his squad for the autumn internationals next

1:06:40 > 1:06:43month with that in mind.

1:06:43 > 1:06:45After being left out, prop Joe Marler is now available

1:06:45 > 1:06:48for selection for two of the three matches after his club succesfully

1:06:48 > 1:06:51argued his ban for striking should start sooner than a disciplinary

1:06:51 > 1:06:52panel had initially rulled.

1:06:54 > 1:06:57So as Jones prepares his team, he could recall Marler for matches

1:06:57 > 1:07:01with Australia and Samoa, the first of those on the 18th.

1:07:06 > 1:07:08All eyes on the Prinicpality Stadium in Cardiff this weekend -

1:07:08 > 1:07:10known for hosting rugby more than boxing.

1:07:10 > 1:07:13Not this weekend, as Anthony Joshua looks to successfully defend his IBF

1:07:13 > 1:07:15and WBA world titles against the stand-in

1:07:15 > 1:07:21challenger Carlos Takam.

1:07:21 > 1:07:23The pair faced off in the Welsh capital yesterday.

1:07:23 > 1:07:25Joshua was due to face the Bulgarian Kubrat Pulev,

1:07:25 > 1:07:27but he had to withdraw, because of injury.

1:07:27 > 1:07:29It'll be the Briton's first contest since defeating Wladimir Klitschko,

1:07:29 > 1:07:33at Wembley in April.

1:07:41 > 1:07:44The mindset of the fight needs to believe that where it was, move onto

1:07:44 > 1:07:49the next opportunity. If I am living off past wins, I might as give up.

1:07:49 > 1:07:54Boxing is unforgiving. I can't lose this fight and say I won the last

1:07:54 > 1:07:59one, nobody cares. I've got to move on.

1:07:59 > 1:08:02World Number One Dustin Johnson leads the World Golf Championships

1:08:02 > 1:08:04in Shanghai, after a second round nine under par 63.

1:08:04 > 1:08:06Justin Rose is the best placed British player,

1:08:06 > 1:08:08four shots behind at nine under.

1:08:08 > 1:08:11His round included this birdie on the 16th but a bogey on the final

1:08:11 > 1:08:15hole pegged him back by a shot.

1:08:15 > 1:08:19Good luck to him. That is all of the sport. Back to you.

1:08:22 > 1:08:27Earlier we were talking about children and adolescent mental

1:08:27 > 1:08:29health services. The real problem some people have in accessing them.

1:08:29 > 1:08:33One father told us his eight-year-old son had to wait 18

1:08:33 > 1:08:42months to get that help. One viewer says, heartbreaking watching your

1:08:42 > 1:08:47report. This was my life's with before I had to retire. It was a

1:08:47 > 1:08:51superb job and experience. It is sad it has ground down and all of that

1:08:51 > 1:08:54experience is lost. Stephen got in touch, saying I have been referred

1:08:54 > 1:08:59to mental health services and was contacted by a receptionist. I been

1:08:59 > 1:09:02given an appointment in April. Because I was contacted in two

1:09:02 > 1:09:05weeks, officially, I am now having treatment. But I will not have any

1:09:05 > 1:09:09contact with any mental health services until April. Keep those

1:09:09 > 1:09:12thoughts coming.

1:09:12 > 1:09:14There are few people who could honestly say

1:09:14 > 1:09:16they never did anything wrong when they were growing up -

1:09:16 > 1:09:23fighting in the playground, stealing sweets from a shop,

1:09:23 > 1:09:25breaking someone's window - plenty of people would admit

1:09:25 > 1:09:28they were things they did at some point growing up.

1:09:28 > 1:09:30But for some people who got a criminal conviction -

1:09:30 > 1:09:33or even a caution - at a young age, those childhood

1:09:33 > 1:09:35mistakes can follow them for the rest of their life,

1:09:35 > 1:09:38and seriously affect their chances of getting a university place, job,

1:09:38 > 1:09:41house or even visa to go to certain countries.

1:09:41 > 1:09:45A report out today from Parliament's Justice Committee says

1:09:45 > 1:09:47it's time the rules governing the disclosure of childhood criminal

1:09:47 > 1:09:50records were relaxed.

1:09:50 > 1:09:53It suggests some sexual or violent offences committed under the age

1:09:53 > 1:09:56of 18 should not always be automatically flagged up in checks -

1:09:56 > 1:09:58but would employers, for example those recruiting

1:09:58 > 1:10:05teachers or people to work with vulnerable people agree?

1:10:05 > 1:10:08We can speak now to Eleanor Jones.

1:10:08 > 1:10:11She's a qualified teacher - but says two police reprimands

1:10:11 > 1:10:14from when she was a child still on her record have stopped her

1:10:14 > 1:10:18from getting a job in a school.

1:10:18 > 1:10:20Noel Williams had four criminal convictions before he was 16,

1:10:20 > 1:10:22including for violent crimes.

1:10:22 > 1:10:25He's now reformed but says he's been rejected from a huge number

1:10:25 > 1:10:33of jobs and universities because of his record.

1:10:33 > 1:10:36Bob Neill is chair of parliament's Justice Committee -

1:10:36 > 1:10:37which is calling for these reforms.

1:10:37 > 1:10:39He's a Conservative MP and also a former barrister.

1:10:39 > 1:10:42And Liz Navin-Jones is a partner at recruitment firm Baker Harding -

1:10:42 > 1:10:44they work in recruitment across numerous industries

1:10:44 > 1:10:52but also have a particular specialism in education.

1:10:52 > 1:10:58Thanks for taking the time to talk to us. First, Noel, talk to us about

1:10:58 > 1:11:03what you did as a young person, your convictions and how it has affected

1:11:03 > 1:11:06you in later life?I am some of the debt grew up in social housing and I

1:11:06 > 1:11:09grew up around a lot of other young men who went out and committed what

1:11:09 > 1:11:15we would call street violence, getting involved in gang crime, ABH,

1:11:15 > 1:11:20affray. Further on in my life, it has been detrimental. I applied to

1:11:20 > 1:11:27university, many universities and could not get in. I mean I went for

1:11:27 > 1:11:3030-40, there is a box you have to take about whether you have a

1:11:30 > 1:11:33criminal conviction, I am honest and tell people. Then it comes with a

1:11:33 > 1:11:36risk assessment. It is not easy for people who have committed a crime

1:11:36 > 1:11:43when they were younger to get a risk assessment.So you tick the box

1:11:43 > 1:11:47saying you have a criminal conviction. Then you have to write

1:11:47 > 1:11:50details about them or the university would go and seek that out

1:11:50 > 1:11:54themselves?The university would like you to ask somebody else on

1:11:54 > 1:11:58your behalf to write the risk assessment for you, so it's not even

1:11:58 > 1:12:01really your talk where you can sit down with summary. Not every young

1:12:01 > 1:12:04person has somebody to go to and get a risk assessment from. When you

1:12:04 > 1:12:08want to change your life, as I did, getting into higher education, that

1:12:08 > 1:12:12is something that is stopping you. It is something that is a barrier,

1:12:12 > 1:12:16rehabilitation to what we seek for society, to make a better, but that

1:12:16 > 1:12:19is a barrier against rehabilitation to further your life and go further

1:12:19 > 1:12:26on.Eleanor, what about you?I received a caution when I was 11 for

1:12:26 > 1:12:32arson. I received a caution for ABH when I was 14. They are violent

1:12:32 > 1:12:38crimes. Even though they are cautions, so they are not as severe

1:12:38 > 1:12:43as a conviction, on my record it just shows the violent crimes.Just

1:12:43 > 1:12:47explain what you did.I set fire to a piece of toilet roll in the school

1:12:47 > 1:12:54toilets. When I was 14, I had a schoolgirl fight, really, just

1:12:54 > 1:12:58scratching and pulling hair. Obviously it is bad and I would not

1:12:58 > 1:13:04do that now. For me, it is difficult that this piece of paper, like Noel

1:13:04 > 1:13:12said, it represents you. It represents you as a criminal.So you

1:13:12 > 1:13:18want to get a teaching job.I have a teaching job, I am a teacher. It has

1:13:18 > 1:13:22been a difficult journey. I teach adults now because it was a real

1:13:22 > 1:13:28barrier going into secondary schools. I lived abroad for a while

1:13:28 > 1:13:31and then when I came back into the country I tried to get jobs with

1:13:31 > 1:13:39supply agencies. The supply agencies point Blank said to me schools do

1:13:39 > 1:13:43not want someone with a criminal record. So, it didn't even get to

1:13:43 > 1:13:48the stage where it went to risk assessment. Supply agencies need to

1:13:48 > 1:13:56represent themselves.I wanted to bring in Liz Neven Jones, who works

1:13:56 > 1:13:59for a recruitment firm. Do you think that mistakes that were made here,

1:13:59 > 1:14:04as we heard from three Macron Eleanor, should always be disclosed

1:14:04 > 1:14:12to employers? Pin well, as a recruiter, one always has to protect

1:14:12 > 1:14:20your client.As the other people said, they carry these mistakes that

1:14:20 > 1:14:24they made as young people through their lives. But we at the

1:14:24 > 1:14:29recruitment stage, you have to draw the line somewhere. You have to

1:14:29 > 1:14:34really check out candidates. If that information is available, if it is

1:14:34 > 1:14:41on police records or whatever, then you have to absolutely ensure that

1:14:41 > 1:14:48you have done all of your checks. We don't want people to be barred from

1:14:48 > 1:14:53certain employment, and we don't want people to have two be blighted

1:14:53 > 1:14:57for the rest of their lives for something that they did in a fit of

1:14:57 > 1:15:00silliness when they were young. At the same time, we do have to protect

1:15:00 > 1:15:05our clients. If that information is there, you cannot deny it is there

1:15:05 > 1:15:13and you have to use it. As long as the acts are as they are, the 1974

1:15:13 > 1:15:21act, that, I'm sorry, it has to be the case.

1:15:21 > 1:15:27Noel, do you want to speak to Liz?I know that he and his committee are

1:15:27 > 1:15:33working hard, and I understand the woman's opinion there, and what I

1:15:33 > 1:15:38get from the report is that there are certain crimes, sexual and

1:15:38 > 1:15:40violent crimes, then clearly come over for whatever industry

1:15:40 > 1:15:41violent crimes, then clearly come over for whatever industry you are

1:15:41 > 1:15:44going into, we need that transparency. I agree with that

1:15:44 > 1:15:50myself. Also, ethnically, there are certain crimes that people commit,

1:15:50 > 1:15:56which are more persistent in certain areas. I think not all employers

1:15:56 > 1:15:59will take the time to understand. I understand what the woman is

1:15:59 > 1:16:02alluding to

1:16:02 > 1:16:07understand what the woman is alluding to, but I don't think the

1:16:07 > 1:16:13vetting they have is qualitative, where they sit down and discuss what

1:16:13 > 1:16:18it was. If you're going to read it from a piece of paper and look at

1:16:18 > 1:16:24arson, that doesn't look very good. I get both points. But what we want

1:16:24 > 1:16:27is in society is to rehabilitate our young people to give them the best

1:16:27 > 1:16:31chance to go forward, and I think we need to incorporate some of what Bob

1:16:31 > 1:16:34and his colleagues are saying into our lives and into society, and it

1:16:34 > 1:16:39will better us in the long run.Bob Neill, your committee was behind

1:16:39 > 1:16:44this report - is that the crux of the issue is that? It has to be not

1:16:44 > 1:16:50such a simplistic system. If you tick a box saying you have a

1:16:50 > 1:16:54criminal conviction, sometimes attends there.That is entirely

1:16:54 > 1:16:59right, and it is part of the problem with a tick box culture, and it is a

1:16:59 > 1:17:03cover your back culture from the person doing that sift, and they

1:17:03 > 1:17:09don't take it any further. Ultimately, it is possible to get

1:17:09 > 1:17:13through that process, but it is a struggle. And we have lots of

1:17:13 > 1:17:15evidence to that account. Lots of people don't move past that stage,

1:17:15 > 1:17:20and we think that is wrong. There will always be instances when the

1:17:20 > 1:17:25conviction is relevant, and that meets Liz's point. If someone has

1:17:25 > 1:17:29stolen money and they are being interviewed for a job where they

1:17:29 > 1:17:33would be handling money, it might well be relevant. If it was bad

1:17:33 > 1:17:39behaviour of a sexual or violent kind and you would be dealing with

1:17:39 > 1:17:43vulnerable people, that would be relevant. We're talking particularly

1:17:43 > 1:17:49about offences committed by children who are then moving on beyond that.

1:17:49 > 1:17:54So we want a separate system to deal with children from adult offenders.

1:17:54 > 1:17:59And we also think that the law, which is piecemeal, needs to be

1:17:59 > 1:18:04simplified so that you have a system whereby things are not automatically

1:18:04 > 1:18:09disclosed, they are disclosed where they are relevant. And in deciding

1:18:09 > 1:18:14that, you take into account the nature of the offence, not just the

1:18:14 > 1:18:19title, how long ago it was, and how seriously the court regarded it. If

1:18:19 > 1:18:22they gave conditional discharge for it never even went to court and was

1:18:22 > 1:18:26dealt with through a caution, that is less serious in the scheme of

1:18:26 > 1:18:32things than someone who to custody. It doesn't make it right, but it is

1:18:32 > 1:18:36being proportionate about the risk for the future.Liz, does that make

1:18:36 > 1:18:41sense from an employer's perspective?It certainly makes

1:18:41 > 1:18:46sense, and in an ideal world, it would be set up so that any

1:18:46 > 1:18:51information we did receive, we could then qualify yet and quantify it. As

1:18:51 > 1:19:00it stands at the moment, the 1974 act was reformed in 2014, I think.

1:19:00 > 1:19:05Bob will know better than I do. So certain convictions, the spent

1:19:05 > 1:19:09period on them was lowered, precisely for these reasons that Bob

1:19:09 > 1:19:15is pointing out. To have committed a crime at a young age and then to

1:19:15 > 1:19:20have to carry through the rest of your life is obviously going to be

1:19:20 > 1:19:27detrimental, but it is only for certain industries, only certain

1:19:27 > 1:19:32sections of employment that they do carry those through. The others are

1:19:32 > 1:19:36spent, they are finished. If you are cautioned for stealing apples when

1:19:36 > 1:19:42you were six years old, that doesn't necessarily carry through to any

1:19:42 > 1:19:47employment that you would be looking for. It would only be, as Eleanor

1:19:47 > 1:19:51was saying, in teaching, dealing with children. All that information

1:19:51 > 1:19:57has to be given to clients. From our point of view, from a recruiter's

1:19:57 > 1:20:01point of view, as I said before, if the information is there, we would

1:20:01 > 1:20:08be negligent not to use it. As Eleanor was saying, the supply

1:20:08 > 1:20:14agencies were very cautious about putting her in a school because she

1:20:14 > 1:20:17had those awful black mark, albeit seemingly unjust, but that is the

1:20:17 > 1:20:21way it is at the moment. If Bob can change things in Parliament so that

1:20:21 > 1:20:27we can clearly no where we can use information of where we can't, then

1:20:27 > 1:20:34that would be the ideal world. I don't want to see these young people

1:20:34 > 1:20:37blighted, as I said, for the whole of their lives because of one silly

1:20:37 > 1:20:43act that they committed when they were a little bit worse for wear

1:20:43 > 1:20:47after their first sample of a glass of cider or whatever. We want to

1:20:47 > 1:20:54have information. We can't deny in the 21st century that information is

1:20:54 > 1:20:56plentiful, and if employers didn't have that information given to them,

1:20:56 > 1:21:03they were going -- they are going to find it out anyway. Information,

1:21:03 > 1:21:07nowadays, is something we can't deny we're going to have more and more

1:21:07 > 1:21:11of, and candidates coming to look for jobs, looking for houses or

1:21:11 > 1:21:15going to universities, if they have committed these offences, they have

1:21:15 > 1:21:19to carry them through their lives and explain them very coherently.

1:21:19 > 1:21:23Let me read this e-mail that has from Andrew. Thanks for getting in

1:21:23 > 1:21:30touch, Andrew. He says: I was 16 and got caught doing graffiti on our

1:21:30 > 1:21:35bus. I had a tussle with a conductor and we both hit each other. In

1:21:35 > 1:21:41court, they offered to lower the fine if I admitted assault. Almost

1:21:41 > 1:21:4630 years on, I still had to explain this in job interviews.I think

1:21:46 > 1:21:50that's the problem. I understand Liz's point, but since 2014,

1:21:50 > 1:21:54although there was some reform, it was piecemeal, as I said, and since

1:21:54 > 1:22:00then there has been the decision of a Court of Appeal in 2016 that says

1:22:00 > 1:22:03the current system, especially in relation to young people, is, in

1:22:03 > 1:22:08their words, disproportionate and not in line with human rights law.

1:22:08 > 1:22:14We need the Government to update the law to reflect that, so that it

1:22:14 > 1:22:19takes into account the nature of the offence, how long ago it was.

1:22:19 > 1:22:22Evidence shows that young people move away from crime as they mature

1:22:22 > 1:22:27and get into their 20s. The best way to make sure people don't fall back

1:22:27 > 1:22:32into crime is to get them back into employment or education and get them

1:22:32 > 1:22:36stable housing. We found this was getting on the work -- in the way of

1:22:36 > 1:22:40people getting on housing lists, leaving them unable to drive for a

1:22:40 > 1:22:48job they were going to go for. 30 years after the fact, should people

1:22:48 > 1:22:50be explaining something which happened when they were 16?What

1:22:50 > 1:22:58about people at home who say that they understand Eleanor and Noble

1:22:58 > 1:23:05explaining their mistakes of the past, but the parent of a child

1:23:05 > 1:23:12going to the school, they might say, the crime is nonetheless arson, and

1:23:12 > 1:23:15I don't want that person teaching my child. Can you understand that

1:23:15 > 1:23:21viewpoint? I'll let Eleanor respond and then you go ahead. She did a

1:23:21 > 1:23:27sharp intake of breath!Obviously, I can see it from the parents' point

1:23:27 > 1:23:32of view, but as an 11-year-old, you don't think about consequences of

1:23:32 > 1:23:37your actions. You do stupid things. Not only that thing that has now

1:23:37 > 1:23:42affected me for the rest of my life, there are many things I wouldn't do

1:23:42 > 1:23:47now as a grown-up, as a 28-year-old, that I did when I was 11. I don't

1:23:47 > 1:23:53play hide and Seek, for example. When I was 14 and all the hormones

1:23:53 > 1:24:00and things... Yeah, and having a fight with another girl, I wouldn't

1:24:00 > 1:24:07do that now. I see the point, but yeah.I fully understand and get

1:24:07 > 1:24:14what you're saying, but we have behavioural schools, and lots of

1:24:14 > 1:24:18ex-offenders were there, because the young people are displaying the

1:24:18 > 1:24:21behaviour they identify with. They have changed their lives and

1:24:21 > 1:24:24understand where things are going, and it is all right for people to

1:24:24 > 1:24:28work in those type of schools but not in mainstream schools. There is

1:24:28 > 1:24:32something fantastic that came from the report, which I want to

1:24:32 > 1:24:36highlight, which said that we should maybe look to extend the time to the

1:24:36 > 1:24:40age of 25. As you said, Bob, most of the evidence says that people when

1:24:40 > 1:24:45they get into their early 20s, have a child, get a job or have something

1:24:45 > 1:24:49that takes them away from crime, I just want to say if you have

1:24:49 > 1:24:57committed a crime at 16 and we have a lengthy extension to 25, you could

1:24:57 > 1:25:00get university done, make the first step on your career, and the one has

1:25:00 > 1:25:07to know anything. If all you have to talk about is that you got a

1:25:07 > 1:25:10conviction and you can't get into education or employment, if we turn

1:25:10 > 1:25:15it around and look at rehabilitation, we could get better

1:25:15 > 1:25:23numbers.Thank you for coming in and sharing your experiences.

1:25:23 > 1:25:29As a report says that the NHS was underprepared for a cyber attack, we

1:25:29 > 1:25:33hear about how a repeat attack can be prevented, and how you can

1:25:33 > 1:25:37prevent yourself -- protect yourself.

1:25:37 > 1:25:39English football really isn't renowned for its success

1:25:39 > 1:25:41at World Cups, but tomorrow evening in Kolkata England's Under 17s

1:25:41 > 1:25:44will be playing Spain in a World Cup Final.

1:25:44 > 1:25:51The side beat Brazil 3-1 in Wednesday's semi-final -

1:25:51 > 1:25:53with Liverpool youth player Rhian Brewster scoring a hat-trick.

1:25:53 > 1:25:56This year has already seen England's under 20s win their World Cup,

1:25:56 > 1:26:00while the under 19s won the European Championships.

1:26:00 > 1:26:04So, as the youth sides dominate - the likely questions will be asked

1:26:04 > 1:26:06about whether this will translate into future success

1:26:06 > 1:26:15for the senior side.

1:26:15 > 1:26:17Let's talk first to Rahul Tandon.

1:26:17 > 1:26:25He's a BBC Sport Reporter in Kolkata who was at England's semi-final

1:26:25 > 1:26:27and will be at tomorrow's final.

1:26:27 > 1:26:28We can also talk to Ian Brewster, father

1:26:28 > 1:26:31of Rhian Brewster who scored a hat-trick in the semi-final, and

1:26:31 > 1:26:33Simon Bird, football writer for the Daily Mirror

1:26:33 > 1:26:34who focusses on youth football.

1:26:34 > 1:26:37Ian, how proud are you right now? Very proud. I'm only just coming

1:26:37 > 1:26:42back down to earth, so to speak. Clearly, you know your son is a

1:26:42 > 1:26:45great player. You are his bad and you support him, but are you

1:26:45 > 1:26:49surprised by his performance in this competition?I would say more

1:26:49 > 1:26:55surprised at the second hat-trick. The first one, I spoke to him before

1:26:55 > 1:27:01the game on Saturday, I takes at him and said, it's about time you turned

1:27:01 > 1:27:09up, because his performances didn't sort of, like... Well, they

1:27:09 > 1:27:13warranted more success, so to speak. He rewarded me with a hat-trick.

1:27:13 > 1:27:19What he did on Wednesday I couldn't believe. To score another hat-trick

1:27:19 > 1:27:23was just phenomenal.Simon, tell us about the semifinal. People who

1:27:23 > 1:27:28haven't been watching, a 3-1 defeat Brazil is no mean feat might.It was

1:27:28 > 1:27:33a wonderful performance. It indicated how much progress the

1:27:33 > 1:27:36youth ranks are making in the England setup. They showed

1:27:36 > 1:27:40composure, were good on the ball, had all those English traits of

1:27:40 > 1:27:45being athletic and quick, and Mr Brewster was fantastic finishing as

1:27:45 > 1:27:51well. The future is bright. Every age group in the England setup has a

1:27:51 > 1:27:55real club mentality. They have been with each other from the age of 15,

1:27:55 > 1:27:59right through the ranks, and they know each other's strengths and

1:27:59 > 1:28:02weaknesses, and they are proving themselves right up there best

1:28:02 > 1:28:06amongst in the world for their age. The challenge is to get that

1:28:06 > 1:28:10translate into the senior side.What happens, in your view, between going

1:28:10 > 1:28:18from success in the unders category through to full international level?

1:28:18 > 1:28:25Is it a different mentality? Is it hunger, and they don't have lots of

1:28:25 > 1:28:30money, sports cars and distractions? Money could be a part of it. The

1:28:30 > 1:28:33biggest problem the FA recognise and try to talk to clubs about is the

1:28:33 > 1:28:37pathway from being a brilliant junior at the age of 20 and then

1:28:37 > 1:28:42getting experience in what they call man football, not out on loan in the

1:28:42 > 1:28:47junior leagues. These guys need to be playing in the Premier League. At

1:28:47 > 1:28:50the under 21 tournament in the summer, there was a remarkable

1:28:50 > 1:28:55statistic that showed that the England squad had 20,000 Premier

1:28:55 > 1:29:02League minutes under their belts, but the Germans had 37,000 in their

1:29:02 > 1:29:12big league. To be on top of the world in the under 20 category and

1:29:12 > 1:29:16then being 23 and moving on... The clubs have a big responsibility.

1:29:16 > 1:29:20They want to stay in the Premier League. We have the richest clubs in

1:29:20 > 1:29:23the world, who by players in and don't necessarily give you the

1:29:23 > 1:29:28chance when they should. Spurs are leading the way. They have some

1:29:28 > 1:29:33wonderful young players getting opportunities now. Harry Kane and

1:29:33 > 1:29:43Deli Alli came through the ranks and are very young. We are an English

1:29:43 > 1:29:46league, and it would be great if we could see is more of these brilliant

1:29:46 > 1:29:50under 20s coming through the ranks, getting first-team experience in our

1:29:50 > 1:30:01own top league.Your son is in getting first-team games, so then

1:30:01 > 1:30:04there is that difficult decision. I know that Jurgen Klopp has been

1:30:04 > 1:30:08really impressed by your son, but is he going to have to make a decision

1:30:08 > 1:30:12about moving to a different club, playing loverly, or as we heard,

1:30:12 > 1:30:15having to sit there and hope that Liverpool play him and give him

1:30:15 > 1:30:19Premier League minutes?

1:30:19 > 1:30:23At this stage, bearing in mind his age, experience and what he's doing

1:30:23 > 1:30:29at the moment, I think it is something we are not focusing on in

1:30:29 > 1:30:31his mind at this moment in time. It is really more about his

1:30:31 > 1:30:37development, pushing onto that next level. I think it is bit early to be

1:30:37 > 1:30:41saying first-team football. When you speak to him, of course that is his

1:30:41 > 1:30:45ultimate goal. But he knows he has got a slightly better pathway in

1:30:45 > 1:30:52Liverpool and he will continue in that vein. At 16, he is playing

1:30:52 > 1:30:59under 23 football. He was probably a year ahead of where we thought he

1:30:59 > 1:31:04would be at this stage. If you were asking the same question when he was

1:31:04 > 1:31:0819 or 20, yes, you would probably have to start looking at things like

1:31:08 > 1:31:11that. At this stage it is all about his development, still enjoying the

1:31:11 > 1:31:14game. Hopefully his exploits were getting there sooner rather than

1:31:14 > 1:31:23later.Where are you watching a game? Guillemot --I am in Atlanta

1:31:23 > 1:31:33at the moment. I will still be here. I will be at my friend's house

1:31:33 > 1:31:38watching the game.Best of luck, thanks for talking to us.

1:31:38 > 1:31:42Still to come, we will be live from Barcelona as the Spanish Prime

1:31:42 > 1:31:45Minister Mariano Rajoy urges the Senator to let Madrid take control

1:31:45 > 1:31:51of Catalonia. As files on the assassination of John F Kennedy are

1:31:51 > 1:31:54released, we will speak to a woman who was there on the day when she

1:31:54 > 1:31:55was just 11.

1:31:56 > 1:32:01Time for the latest news - here's Vicki.

1:32:01 > 1:32:03The Security Minister, Ben Wallace, has publicly blamed North Korea

1:32:03 > 1:32:07for the cyber attack which crippled parts of the NHS in May.

1:32:07 > 1:32:10The National Audit Office has found that the attack could have been

1:32:10 > 1:32:19blocked if basic IT security measures had been in place.

1:32:20 > 1:32:25We have capabilities in government to track that. I can't go further

1:32:25 > 1:32:30into our capabilities but there are strong signs that came from North

1:32:30 > 1:32:33Korea. Ourselves and I think the United States also agree with that.

1:32:33 > 1:32:35Thousands of children across England are having to face extremley long

1:32:35 > 1:32:40waiting times for mental health treatment, according to a review

1:32:41 > 1:32:42by Government inspectors.

1:32:42 > 1:32:44The Care Quality Commission found that services are too

1:32:44 > 1:32:45fragmented and hard to access.

1:32:45 > 1:32:51The Department of Health says it is investing an extra

1:32:51 > 1:32:521.4 billion in children's mental health services

1:32:52 > 1:32:54over the next four years.

1:32:54 > 1:32:56The Spanish prime minister, Mariano Rajoy, has urged the Senate

1:32:56 > 1:32:59to let Madrid take control of Catalonia, accusing the region's

1:32:59 > 1:33:03leaders of fracturing society.

1:33:03 > 1:33:06The Catalan authorities say such a move would worsen

1:33:06 > 1:33:10the political crisis, making a declaration

1:33:10 > 1:33:12of independence by the regional parliament more likely -

1:33:12 > 1:33:16though no decision has been reached yet.

1:33:17 > 1:33:19Australia's High Court has ruled that the country's

1:33:19 > 1:33:20deputy prime minister, Barnaby Joyce, should be

1:33:20 > 1:33:22disqualified from office because he held dual

1:33:22 > 1:33:27citizenship when elected.

1:33:27 > 1:33:30The verdict has cost the Australian government its one-seat majority

1:33:30 > 1:33:32in parliament and a by-election will now be held in December.

1:33:32 > 1:33:34Four other politicians have also been ruled ineligible

1:33:34 > 1:33:39to remain in parliament.

1:33:48 > 1:33:51The UK's most senior civil servant, Jeremy Heywood, has been treated for

1:33:51 > 1:33:54cancer. He was diagnosed in June according to his office and

1:33:54 > 1:33:58treatment went well. The statement also says that he remains totally

1:33:58 > 1:34:05focused on his duties as head of the civil service. That is the latest

1:34:05 > 1:34:06BBC News.

1:34:06 > 1:34:08Here's some sport now with John Watson.

1:34:08 > 1:34:11The opening game of the Rugby League world cup is under way -

1:34:11 > 1:34:14and what a start for England against the co hosts

1:34:14 > 1:34:15Australia in Melbourne.

1:34:15 > 1:34:17Jermaine McGillvary scored this try in the 4th minute

1:34:17 > 1:34:22against the reigning champions.

1:34:22 > 1:34:26They're currently lead 4-0.

1:34:27 > 1:34:30England haven't beaten Australia since the opening match of the 1995

1:34:30 > 1:34:31Rugby League World Cup!

1:34:31 > 1:34:34In rugby union, Harlequins prop Joe Marler will be available to face

1:34:34 > 1:34:36Australia in the Autumn internationals on the

1:34:36 > 1:34:3718th of November.

1:34:37 > 1:34:39He was set to miss out, but his club have successfully

1:34:39 > 1:34:43argued his ban for striking should start sooner.

1:34:43 > 1:34:46And a big weekend ahead for Anthony Joshua -

1:34:46 > 1:34:48in Cardiff at the Principality Staidum, known more

1:34:48 > 1:34:51for its rugby than boxing.

1:34:51 > 1:34:54He hopes to succesfully defend the two titles he holds,

1:34:54 > 1:34:55but he's eyeing more.

1:34:55 > 1:34:57He wants to become the first man to hold all four

1:34:57 > 1:35:00heavyweight world titles, by picking up two more belts

1:35:00 > 1:35:05to unify the division.

1:35:05 > 1:35:08That will most likely come next year. That is all of the sport. Back

1:35:08 > 1:35:15to you. We were talking earlier about mental health services for

1:35:15 > 1:35:21young people and adolescents. One man spoke to us, his eight-year-old

1:35:21 > 1:35:25son had to wait 18 months to access the services. Once he got the help,

1:35:25 > 1:35:29he said it was incredible, the support and the NHS really helped

1:35:29 > 1:35:32his son. But the 18 month wait was a real problem. We have had this text

1:35:32 > 1:35:41from a viewer. I want to praise the professional, prompt treatment my

1:35:41 > 1:35:49son received from CAMHS at the thorny wood centre. It is one of the

1:35:49 > 1:35:55main reasons I feel proud to be British, the NHS. The crisis in

1:35:55 > 1:35:59Catalonia is deepening this morning after the Spanish Prime Minister,

1:35:59 > 1:36:03Mariano Rajoy, asked the Senate to approve Madrid's proposals to sack

1:36:03 > 1:36:06the Catalan government. The Catalan parliament could respond by

1:36:06 > 1:36:13declaring independence unilaterally. Tim Wilcox is in Barcelona. Bring us

1:36:13 > 1:36:18right up to date with developments over the last 30 minutes or so.

1:36:18 > 1:36:23Well, actually, after weeks of turmoil, mass demonstrations and

1:36:23 > 1:36:27chaos, quite frankly, this Catalan crisis is finally coming to a head

1:36:27 > 1:36:33today. As you just said, in the last hour, Mariano Rajoy, the Spanish

1:36:33 > 1:36:36Prime Minister, a member of the Popular Party has been addressing

1:36:36 > 1:36:42the Senate, where he has a majority. His message was stark. Breaking the

1:36:42 > 1:36:45law, he told senators, has consequences. So we expect the

1:36:45 > 1:36:50Senate to vote quite soon on invoking Article 150 five. It has

1:36:50 > 1:36:54never been used before. The nuclear option, that has been described by

1:36:54 > 1:36:57many commentators. That is imposing direct rule from Madrid over

1:36:57 > 1:37:02autonomous region here in Spain. I am standing outside the Catalan

1:37:02 > 1:37:07parliament. Carles Puigdemont, the Catalan President, has not arrived

1:37:07 > 1:37:13yet. One of the motions they will be voting on, we understand, is a

1:37:13 > 1:37:18declaration of Independence, declaring that Catalonia is a

1:37:18 > 1:37:22sovereign, independent state and notifying the EU about that. This

1:37:22 > 1:37:26region is split. It is not just a battle between Catalonia and Madrid.

1:37:26 > 1:37:30It is an internal battle between the people that want to be independent

1:37:30 > 1:37:34and those that don't. I spoke to a separatist MP as he walked into

1:37:34 > 1:37:39Parliament today and asked if they would actually, finally, declare

1:37:39 > 1:37:45independence.A declaration of Independence, as you know, was

1:37:45 > 1:37:52actually signed by MPs in Parliament. It was not voted. So now

1:37:52 > 1:37:57the vote will take place, if everything goes as scheduled.OK. As

1:37:57 > 1:38:03soon as that happens, Article 155, we understand will be imposed. What

1:38:03 > 1:38:07then?That depends on the Spanish governed. That is what they have

1:38:07 > 1:38:10threatened us with doing. They will try to apply some of the very strict

1:38:10 > 1:38:17measures that will in fact suspend the Catalan home rule. The idea is

1:38:17 > 1:38:20that it independence is already proclaimed, the Spanish legal system

1:38:20 > 1:38:32and whatever legal menace Mariano Rajoy makes, that will not apply to

1:38:32 > 1:38:38the Catalan region.What will happen with the ministers, the civil

1:38:38 > 1:38:42service and the police?We don't know. We don't know the future.But

1:38:42 > 1:38:46surely, you have had years to work out what to do in a moment like

1:38:46 > 1:38:52this. So what are the contingency plans?We know what we want, we want

1:38:52 > 1:38:58a very peaceful environment where MPs in parliament can vote. Then we

1:38:58 > 1:39:01can start talks with the Spanish government in Madrid. I think that

1:39:01 > 1:39:04would be the best thing. We have stretched out our hand, we have

1:39:04 > 1:39:08tried to talk for a number of times with international mediation. It

1:39:08 > 1:39:13hasn't been possible.We were speaking earlier on to voters in

1:39:13 > 1:39:16Catalonia who were saying they were quite frustrated by the brinkmanship

1:39:16 > 1:39:22that seems to be going on between the Catalonian politicians and the

1:39:22 > 1:39:28Spanish politicians. What reaction are you hearing?Well, there is

1:39:28 > 1:39:31anger among supporters of Carles Puigdemont, the separatists. They

1:39:31 > 1:39:37say he has bottled it, basically. You could have declared unilateral

1:39:37 > 1:39:41independence yesterday. At one stage she was going to declare snap

1:39:41 > 1:39:44elections and he pulled back. On the other hand, you have people that

1:39:44 > 1:39:47don't want to leave Madrid, they want to stay part of Spain, and they

1:39:47 > 1:39:52are furious with him. I think there is an argument to be made that, in

1:39:52 > 1:39:57some quarters, this is irresponsible politics. Carles Puigdemont, who has

1:39:57 > 1:40:01devoted his life to independence, is always raising the bar, always

1:40:01 > 1:40:05saying, OK, I'm going to do this, and then stepping back from it. It

1:40:05 > 1:40:08leads to frustration amongst his own supporters and real anger amongst

1:40:08 > 1:40:12those who don't want to leave Spain because they are saying he is

1:40:12 > 1:40:18playing with the political voters in this region. It is a very

1:40:18 > 1:40:21complicated, very divided society. The Nationalists, the separatists,

1:40:21 > 1:40:28have made it their ambition for years and decades to be independent.

1:40:28 > 1:40:32When it comes to finally announcing it, they have stepped back until,

1:40:32 > 1:40:36potentially, today. That could finally be crunch time.Thank you

1:40:36 > 1:40:38for updating us.

1:40:38 > 1:40:41An investigation has found that a malware attack that crippled parts

1:40:41 > 1:40:44of the NHS in May could have been prevented if basic IT security

1:40:44 > 1:40:47measures had been in place.

1:40:47 > 1:40:49Nearly 7000 NHS appointments were cancelled

1:40:49 > 1:40:52as a result of the incident.

1:40:52 > 1:40:56The National Audit Office said the health service was not prepared

1:40:56 > 1:40:58for the attack in which criminals froze computers

1:40:58 > 1:40:59and demanded a ransom.

1:40:59 > 1:41:02It calls on the NHS to develop a clear plan to deal

1:41:02 > 1:41:09with future threats.

1:41:09 > 1:41:13In a moment we will discuss how they can do that. First, what is

1:41:13 > 1:41:17ransomware and how can it be stopped? Unite it is a malicious

1:41:17 > 1:41:20computer virus that threatens to destroy your files or your

1:41:20 > 1:41:26reputation unless you pay the criminals a fee. Some examples

1:41:26 > 1:41:29incredible scramble your photos, videos and documents and they can

1:41:29 > 1:41:32only be decrypted if you pay a ransom. Sometimes, software will

1:41:32 > 1:41:36claim you have been caught watching pornography or downloading illegal

1:41:36 > 1:41:39images and threaten to e-mail all of your contacts and expose you unless

1:41:39 > 1:41:43you paid a ransom. Usually these programmes impose a deadline, so if

1:41:43 > 1:41:48you don't pay in time the ransom goes up. Some cases of ransomware

1:41:48 > 1:41:52are just smoke and mirrors, trying to scare you into paying up.

1:41:52 > 1:41:55Unfortunately, in most cases they really do encrypt your files. That

1:41:55 > 1:41:59means the only way to get them back is either to resort to a back-up or

1:41:59 > 1:42:03to cave in to their demands. When you're dealing with blackmailers,

1:42:03 > 1:42:06you have absolutely no guarantee that you will get your files back or

1:42:06 > 1:42:11that he won't get infected again. The best way to protect yourself is

1:42:11 > 1:42:15by following some age-old advice. Don't open attachments or links in

1:42:15 > 1:42:19unsolicited e-mails. Keep your computer software patches up to

1:42:19 > 1:42:22date. Keep a copy of all of your important files on an external drive

1:42:22 > 1:42:25so you have a back-up if the worst comes to the worst and contact an

1:42:25 > 1:42:29expert if it happens to you. You might also be a better get some help

1:42:29 > 1:42:31from your local police.

1:42:31 > 1:42:33Joining me now is Kingsley Manning, the former

1:42:33 > 1:42:35chair of NHS Digital - they're responsible for overseeing

1:42:35 > 1:42:39cyber security for the NHS in England,

1:42:39 > 1:42:41Emily Orton, a cyber security analyst from

1:42:41 > 1:42:46the software company Darktrace, and in Woking, Surrey,

1:42:46 > 1:42:48Rob Shapland, an Ethical Hacker from the penetration testing

1:42:48 > 1:42:56team at First Base Technologies.

1:42:57 > 1:43:03Thank you for speaking to us about this today. First of all, Kingsley

1:43:03 > 1:43:05Manning, people reading this story will be a little bit perplexed about

1:43:05 > 1:43:13how basic IT security wasn't administered within the NHS.Yes,

1:43:13 > 1:43:19quite rightly so. It is important to distinguish which part of the NHS we

1:43:19 > 1:43:22are talking about. It is not a single organisation, it is complex

1:43:22 > 1:43:27and vulnerable to these types of attacks. Much of the NHS was

1:43:27 > 1:43:30completely compromised. There was no problem for the national systems,

1:43:30 > 1:43:33they were highly resistant and survived the attack, and previous

1:43:33 > 1:43:36attacks very well indeed. There was a small part of the system which had

1:43:36 > 1:43:42been advised to patch the system and make the changes. They have been

1:43:42 > 1:43:45advised several times over a number of years to improve. But they failed

1:43:45 > 1:43:49to do so. They represented about a third of the trusts and about 15% of

1:43:49 > 1:43:56GPs. It is part of the NHS that were caught up, not as a target, but as a

1:43:56 > 1:43:59victim of an international problem. Emily, do you find this uprising

1:43:59 > 1:44:02that parts of the NHS were told to basically download something and

1:44:02 > 1:44:11didn't?I don't, actually. This was an international campaign, it is not

1:44:11 > 1:44:14just the NHS. Very large companies were hit by this, that are much

1:44:14 > 1:44:21better resourced and have less excuse, probably, than the NHS. So

1:44:21 > 1:44:26we need to bear in mind and keep that context in our heads. Why is it

1:44:26 > 1:44:30so difficult? Well, yes, they should have patched. It's a bit like

1:44:30 > 1:44:36washing your hands. It is going to reduce your risk, it is helping you

1:44:36 > 1:44:38protect against vulnerabilities that the industry knows about and has a

1:44:38 > 1:44:42patch for.The patch, is a time-consuming, expensive, why did

1:44:42 > 1:44:49the NHS not do it?As has been mentioned, lots of disparate

1:44:49 > 1:44:55different organisations doesn't help. It really does depend on

1:44:55 > 1:44:59resources.Does it cost money, do you have to pay for it, does it take

1:44:59 > 1:45:02a long time? If you get an e-mail saying you need to do that, why

1:45:02 > 1:45:08didn't part of the NHS do it? I don't expect you to answer on behalf

1:45:08 > 1:45:14of the NHS?Time is always an issue, people have different priorities.

1:45:14 > 1:45:17Security teams are very overwhelmed at the moment with all sorts of

1:45:17 > 1:45:23priorities. You've got staff, medical staff, needing the services.

1:45:23 > 1:45:26It is difficult. Yes, it is completely doable, but there is

1:45:26 > 1:45:30prioritisation.

1:45:30 > 1:45:38Let's bring in Rob, and ethical hacker. -- an ethical hacker. Do you

1:45:38 > 1:45:43think this has been a good lesson for organisations, that we have to

1:45:43 > 1:45:49take cyber security more seriously? I think we have lost Rob, which is

1:45:49 > 1:45:54frustrating. Let's listen to the security minister, Ben Wallace, who

1:45:54 > 1:45:58has been speaking to the BBC today. He has been talking about who he

1:45:58 > 1:46:04believes is behind a cyber attack. Computer crime often leaves a trace,

1:46:04 > 1:46:08and we have capability to track that. I can't go any further into

1:46:08 > 1:46:13our capabilities, but there are strong signs it came from North

1:46:13 > 1:46:17Korea, and ourselves and also the United States agree with that.Are

1:46:17 > 1:46:22you surprised that we're hearing it is from North Korea?It has been a

1:46:22 > 1:46:28rumour. The evidence is always tangential in these things. Mostly

1:46:28 > 1:46:31they originate from eastern Europe and beyond. This one looks like it

1:46:31 > 1:46:38may have been criminal, but the real worry is targeted attacks on the NHS

1:46:38 > 1:46:44potentially through state terrorism. This was a wake-up call to the NHS.

1:46:44 > 1:46:48Actually, it survived rather well. The real threat is much more

1:46:48 > 1:46:51directed, more focused, and the NHS had been preparing for that for

1:46:51 > 1:46:57several years.We were talking to our technology correspondent earlier

1:46:57 > 1:47:01on, and he said it was a blessing that it happened in a Friday in the

1:47:01 > 1:47:09month of May rather than on a Monday in January during a flu epidemic.

1:47:09 > 1:47:17These viruses, as in human populations, tend to distribute

1:47:17 > 1:47:21themselves rapidly, causing a knock-on effect, as it did in

1:47:21 > 1:47:25certain regions. Friday was a blessing.Lets try Rob again. Do you

1:47:25 > 1:47:31think this was a good wake-up call for people?Yeah, definitely. The

1:47:31 > 1:47:37attack was quite simple in the way it got on to the systems. And as we

1:47:37 > 1:47:40talked about, relatively simple to prevent. The big wake-up call to me

1:47:40 > 1:47:46was that if someone had behind though it might be behind it rather

1:47:46 > 1:47:52than it being automatic, they could easily have got access to patient

1:47:52 > 1:47:54data, NHS records, tampered with them or publish them. It could have

1:47:54 > 1:47:58been worse. Although it was a damaging attack, I think we got away

1:47:58 > 1:48:04a little bit lightly.Let's be clear: It was never getting near to

1:48:04 > 1:48:25patient records, this malware. Those systems are very secure.It was a

1:48:25 > 1:48:29wake-up call in that we need to make sure the systems are up-to-date and

1:48:29 > 1:48:33ready for this sort of attack in the future.Is there a sense that the

1:48:33 > 1:48:39NHS has got a robust system in place now and is protecting itself?The

1:48:39 > 1:48:46NHS faces a number of difficulties, including resources and focus. We

1:48:46 > 1:48:52have a large number of organisations - over 300 hospitals, 8000 GPs, all

1:48:52 > 1:48:56separate organisations with dozens of priorities, of which this is one.

1:48:56 > 1:49:00Although there is more money being invested in cyber security, it's

1:49:00 > 1:49:05still not enough. The third issue is the lack of clarity. I think it is

1:49:05 > 1:49:10right to point out that it is not clear who takes full responsibility,

1:49:10 > 1:49:16whether it is NHS England, the sea QC, NHS Digital, a whole host of

1:49:16 > 1:49:22organisations who will have a finger in the pie, so there needs to be

1:49:22 > 1:49:28greater clarity and focus.It's not good enough simply to do basics like

1:49:28 > 1:49:33patching and hygiene. Threats are evolving all the time. There are new

1:49:33 > 1:49:36attack methodology is coming out every day. You have insiders, and

1:49:36 > 1:49:43there is no patch for that. We have to think about security in a

1:49:43 > 1:49:47different way. Yes, do hygiene and patching, there is no excuse not to,

1:49:47 > 1:49:51but you also have to have systems like artificial intelligence, things

1:49:51 > 1:49:56that will detect threats that are brand-new, novel, and would never be

1:49:56 > 1:50:01predicted by any patch or antivirus. What about individuals? What should

1:50:01 > 1:50:06they do to make sure they don't fall foul of this?It is difficult, but

1:50:06 > 1:50:11there are good guidelines on the Government website. Things like

1:50:11 > 1:50:17passwords, changing them, and being aware and sceptical of insecure

1:50:17 > 1:50:19websites, for example. I think holding accountable the people that

1:50:19 > 1:50:24you trust with your data. Those big organisations, they have huge

1:50:24 > 1:50:28amounts of customer data, your data, and I think if we held them up to a

1:50:28 > 1:50:33higher degree of scrutiny, that will push them and help to drive change

1:50:33 > 1:50:35in the industry.Thank you very much for coming in.

1:50:35 > 1:50:38In a statement, Dan Taylor, NHS Digital's Head of Security,

1:50:38 > 1:50:40tells us the attack in May was "on an unprecedented scale"

1:50:40 > 1:50:44and the NHS had "responded admirably to the situation".

1:50:44 > 1:50:46He added: "Doctors, nurses and professionals from all areas

1:50:46 > 1:50:48pulled together and worked incredibly hard to keep frontline

1:50:48 > 1:50:51services for patients running and to get everything back to normal

1:50:51 > 1:51:01as swiftly as possible."

1:51:02 > 1:51:04Nearly 3000 classified files on the assassination

1:51:04 > 1:51:07of President John F Kennedy in 1963 have now been released,

1:51:07 > 1:51:09on the order of President Trump.

1:51:09 > 1:51:12But some documents have been withheld at the request

1:51:12 > 1:51:13of government agencies.

1:51:13 > 1:51:16One memo revealed that the FBI had warned police of a death threat

1:51:16 > 1:51:19against the assassin Lee Harvey Oswald.

1:51:19 > 1:51:21The assassination has been the subject of various

1:51:21 > 1:51:22conspiracy theories.

1:51:22 > 1:51:25So what will we learn from the JFK files?

1:51:25 > 1:51:29This short film explains more.

1:51:31 > 1:51:33I don't think anybody should be looking for any bombshells.

1:51:33 > 1:51:38There won't be a document pointing to a second gunman in Dallas.

1:51:38 > 1:51:41I think all of the most credible evidence we have all these years

1:51:41 > 1:51:44shows that Lee Harvey Oswald was the gunman in Dealey Plaza and

1:51:44 > 1:51:47almost certainly the lone gunman.

1:51:47 > 1:51:50But I think there is a real question as to whether or not other people

1:51:50 > 1:51:56knew he was good to do this and encouraged him to do this.

1:51:56 > 1:51:59--knew he was going to do this and encouraged him to do this.

1:51:59 > 1:52:02You know, he was not the pure lone wolf that the US government

1:52:02 > 1:52:04tried to portray him as.

1:52:04 > 1:52:06To my mind, this has always been sort of the secret chapter

1:52:06 > 1:52:08of the Kennedy assassination drama.

1:52:08 > 1:52:10Why did Lee Harvey Oswald, who was a self-proclaimed Marxist,

1:52:10 > 1:52:13a champion of Castro's revolution, go to Mexico City just several weeks

1:52:13 > 1:52:17before the assassination, where he met with Cuban spies,

1:52:17 > 1:52:21Russian spies and other people who, at the height of the Cold War,

1:52:21 > 1:52:24might have wanted to see Kennedy dead?

1:52:24 > 1:52:27There is evidence out there that Oswald, while he is in Mexico City,

1:52:27 > 1:52:30openly talked about killing Kennedy.

1:52:30 > 1:52:33The question becomes whether or not any of those people offered

1:52:33 > 1:52:35to help him or give him encouragement, or offered to help

1:52:35 > 1:52:37him escape after the assassination.

1:52:37 > 1:52:39It's very clear that the United States government never

1:52:39 > 1:52:42wanted to get to the bottom of that because, if they had,

1:52:42 > 1:52:45it would have exposed just how much more the government had known

1:52:45 > 1:52:53about the assassin before the assassination.

1:52:53 > 1:52:56The question has always been, what more did the CIA know

1:52:56 > 1:52:58about Oswald in real-time, just several weeks before

1:52:58 > 1:53:01the assassination?

1:53:01 > 1:53:03It's going to take weeks or months, or even years, to really

1:53:03 > 1:53:05understand these documents.

1:53:05 > 1:53:08They will be filled with CIA and FBI codenames, pseudonyms and a lot

1:53:08 > 1:53:13of jargon that people just aren't going to be able to understand.

1:53:13 > 1:53:17We're talking about hundreds of thousands of pages of documents.

1:53:17 > 1:53:26This is going to take a long while.

1:53:26 > 1:53:33We can speak now to Doctor Tony Glover, who was at the scene of

1:53:33 > 1:53:38JFK's assassination when she was aged just 11. She joins us from her

1:53:38 > 1:53:41home in Pennsylvania. Thank you for taking the time to talk to us. Just

1:53:41 > 1:53:45take us back to that day. Did you even understand what was going on at

1:53:45 > 1:53:56the age of 11?I understood, because I watched it happen. I was 11, and I

1:53:56 > 1:54:01wanted to go to the parade. I begged my mother to take me to the parade.

1:54:01 > 1:54:04My family was divorced, and I thought if I saw Kennedy, if you

1:54:04 > 1:54:08looked at me and wait, that somehow I would be part of his world and all

1:54:08 > 1:54:14my troubles would disappear at home. So, I went there with some magic

1:54:14 > 1:54:20thinking. They came by, and he waved and smiled, then he turned the

1:54:20 > 1:54:27corner and he was gone, he was dead. It was 15 seconds between the most

1:54:27 > 1:54:34wonderful moment in my life and one of the worst.So, was it the sound

1:54:34 > 1:54:39or the site? Clearly, everything almost happens in slow motion in

1:54:39 > 1:54:45those moments, but what was it that you remember specifically?It's

1:54:45 > 1:54:52important to understand the context. We were at our presidential parade

1:54:52 > 1:54:55we were celebrating, talking to strangers. Everybody was just, you

1:54:55 > 1:55:03know, ecstatic, and then that happened. Downtown Dallas echoes,

1:55:03 > 1:55:09and there were ten or 12 Harley Davidson motorcycles on either side

1:55:09 > 1:55:13of the cars, so hearing the exact shots wasn't as easy as you would

1:55:13 > 1:55:21think. I had a direct line of sight to the car whenever his head was

1:55:21 > 1:55:26hit, so I saw immediately what had happened. Even so, you want to deny

1:55:26 > 1:55:31it, and I told my mum that someone threw fireworks at the car, but you

1:55:31 > 1:55:38know, that only lasts for a couple of seconds before reality sinks in.

1:55:38 > 1:55:42What was the reaction around you when that happened?Confusion,

1:55:42 > 1:55:48mostly. I was on a corner, on a pedestal that was high, so I could

1:55:48 > 1:55:52see all the way around Dealey Plaza will stop most of the people on the

1:55:52 > 1:55:56ground near me couldn't see that far down the street, so there was a lot

1:55:56 > 1:56:04of confusion. No one really knew what had happened. It was mostly

1:56:04 > 1:56:09confusion, and I got my mother out of there and we went home as fast as

1:56:09 > 1:56:11I could get there. You have that when you get home you are going to

1:56:11 > 1:56:16see something on the news that says something graced his head, but that