0:00:06 > 0:00:09Hello, it's Tuesday, it's nine o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire.
0:00:09 > 0:00:12Welcome to the programme. Our top story today...
0:00:12 > 0:00:16The government's going to cut the maximum stake on fixed-odds
0:00:16 > 0:00:18betting terminals, known as the crack cocaine
0:00:18 > 0:00:22of gambling, from £100 per spin to somewhere
0:00:22 > 0:00:29between 50 and £2.
0:00:29 > 0:00:34I just went to the counter and I said 500. I lost that in the space
0:00:34 > 0:00:40of a a few minutes. A thousand, lost that. And another thousand. I had no
0:00:40 > 0:00:41more money in my bank account.
0:00:41 > 0:00:44We'll get reaction from some of those who've lost thousands
0:00:44 > 0:00:46and thousand of pounds to these machines - and from those
0:00:46 > 0:00:47in the betting industry.
0:00:47 > 0:00:49Also this morning, women fleeing domestic abuse have
0:00:49 > 0:00:51told this programme they're being left homeless because councils
0:00:51 > 0:00:56are failing to provide them with suitable temporary accommodation.
0:00:56 > 0:01:00Basically begging and every day not knowing where you are going to be
0:01:00 > 0:01:07sleeping. At the same time trying to put on a happy face to be supportive
0:01:07 > 0:01:08for the children.
0:01:08 > 0:01:15That full exclusive report in around half an hour's time.
0:01:15 > 0:01:17And Defence Secretary Sir Michael Fallon has confirmed he was once
0:01:17 > 0:01:21told off by a journalist for putting his hand on her knee during dinner.
0:01:21 > 0:01:23We bring you reaction.
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0:01:39 > 0:01:46most successful Paralympic athletes won their gold medals unfairly.
0:01:46 > 0:01:48UK Athletics stand accused of manipulating the classification
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0:01:57 > 0:01:58Our top story today...
0:01:58 > 0:02:01The government has proposed reducing the amount of money that can be
0:02:01 > 0:02:04staked on fixed-odds betting terminals, to protect players
0:02:04 > 0:02:06from racking up huge losses.
0:02:06 > 0:02:10Betting companies earn about £1.8 billion a year from the machines,
0:02:10 > 0:02:17which critics have described as the "crack cocaine" of gambling.
0:02:17 > 0:02:23Newsbeat's Jim Connolly is with me.
0:02:23 > 0:02:29So what kind of proposals are out there?Is a general gambling review,
0:02:29 > 0:02:33looking at online gambling, advertising. Today's focus is on
0:02:33 > 0:02:38fixed odd machines, because they have become such a toxic issue four
0:02:38 > 0:02:45of the government and society in general. People are very -- during
0:02:45 > 0:02:49the stories about putting hundreds of pounds and machines. At the
0:02:49 > 0:02:54minute if you have a special cardigan going to your bookmakers,
0:02:54 > 0:02:58loaded up and spin a roulette wheel. The proposals today are to bring
0:02:58 > 0:03:07those limits down to be -- to summer between £2 and £50. If you can only
0:03:07 > 0:03:10put £2 into the machine, the chances of winning our lower, the chances of
0:03:10 > 0:03:16getting addicted to add are lower. The gambling industry are not happy.
0:03:16 > 0:03:23They say if you hit that £2 limit. You will wipe out half of British
0:03:23 > 0:03:27gambling shops. Bookmakers will close. 20,000 to 30,000 jobs are at
0:03:27 > 0:03:36stake. It's not football bringing in the money any more. It is these
0:03:36 > 0:03:40machines. There are limited to four per shot. If you go down a high
0:03:40 > 0:03:44street you will often see two the same bookmaker. It is profitable to
0:03:44 > 0:03:49have four of these machines in one shop and another one 100 yards down
0:03:49 > 0:03:54the road.Thank you. It is a 12 week consultation period. We bring you
0:03:54 > 0:03:58more reaction to these proposals in the next hour. Now an ETA with the
0:03:58 > 0:04:00rest of the news. Good morning.
0:04:00 > 0:04:02The White House has insisted that criminal charges
0:04:02 > 0:04:04brought against former aides to President Trump,
0:04:04 > 0:04:06show no evidence of collusion between his election
0:04:06 > 0:04:10campaign and Russia.
0:04:10 > 0:04:12George Papadopoulos has admitted lying to the FBI
0:04:12 > 0:04:16about his contacts with Moscow, and two other senior aides have been
0:04:16 > 0:04:23placed under house arrest as the FBI's investigation intensifies.
0:04:23 > 0:04:28Laura Bicker reports.
0:04:28 > 0:04:33Paul Manafort, Donald Trump's former campaign manager, leaves court under
0:04:33 > 0:04:35house arrest facing 12 grave charges including money
0:04:35 > 0:04:36laundering and conspiracy.
0:04:36 > 0:04:38He's pleading not guilty and the charges don't relate
0:04:38 > 0:04:40to his work with the Trump campaign.
0:04:40 > 0:04:42But as he sped away from the spotlight, there came
0:04:42 > 0:04:45an unexpected bombshell.
0:04:45 > 0:04:49George Papadopoulos, an unpaid foreign policy adviser
0:04:49 > 0:04:53for the Trump campaign secretly pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI
0:04:53 > 0:04:55about his Russian contacts.
0:04:55 > 0:04:59His charge sheet says that while he was an aide he met
0:04:59 > 0:05:01a Russian professor in London who said he had dirt
0:05:01 > 0:05:04on Hillary Clinton.
0:05:04 > 0:05:07Despite having earlier told the FBI he wasn't a member
0:05:07 > 0:05:09of the Trump campaign when the meeting took place.
0:05:09 > 0:05:12The professor claimed he had thousands of Clinton campaign emails
0:05:12 > 0:05:15and he worked to arrange a meeting between Vladimir Putin
0:05:15 > 0:05:21and Donald Trump, something that did not happen.
0:05:21 > 0:05:23Papadopoulos's guilty plea discloses facts of communication
0:05:23 > 0:05:27between Donald Trump campaign and the Russians we didn't know
0:05:27 > 0:05:30about and that could be a bigger problem for Trump.
0:05:30 > 0:05:33More details have emerged about alleged Russian attempts
0:05:33 > 0:05:35to influence voters on social media.
0:05:35 > 0:05:37Facebook believes that 126 million American users may have come
0:05:37 > 0:05:43into contact with Russian backed propaganda during the election.
0:05:43 > 0:05:46This investigation is not going away, as the White House had hoped,
0:05:46 > 0:05:52and could overshadow the Trump presidency for some time to come.
0:05:59 > 0:06:01The Bank of England is warning that 75,000 jobs could be
0:06:01 > 0:06:04lost from Britain's financial services sector, if the UK leaves
0:06:04 > 0:06:06the European Union without a trade deal.
0:06:06 > 0:06:09Senior figures at the Bank of England are said to be
0:06:09 > 0:06:11using the number as a "reasonable scenario" in their planning
0:06:11 > 0:06:14for the future, but are thought to be optimistic that negotiations
0:06:14 > 0:06:16will be successful.
0:06:16 > 0:06:19Our economics editor, Kamal Ahmed, reports.
0:06:19 > 0:06:22It will be one of the toughest challenges facing the Brexit
0:06:22 > 0:06:27negotiators, tackling the multitrillion-pound financial
0:06:27 > 0:06:31services industry which links the UK with the rest of the European Union.
0:06:31 > 0:06:35Banks and financial companies based in Britain pay £67 billion in taxes
0:06:35 > 0:06:40each year, and contribute a trade surplus of £58 billion,
0:06:40 > 0:06:43helping the UK's economy.
0:06:43 > 0:06:46Many EU countries would like a slice of the sector and see
0:06:46 > 0:06:48Brexit as an opportunity.
0:06:48 > 0:06:50Frankfurt and Paris, for example, are marketing themselves
0:06:50 > 0:06:54as new places to locate.
0:06:54 > 0:06:57The Bank of England is now preparing for tens of thousands of job losses
0:06:57 > 0:07:02which it believes will hit the UK if there is no new free-trade deal.
0:07:02 > 0:07:04Some will simply disappear as the financial sector shrinks
0:07:04 > 0:07:09across Britain and some will be lost to London's competitor cities.
0:07:09 > 0:07:13Although the bank believes 75,000 job losses is a reasonable
0:07:13 > 0:07:17scenario over 3-5 years, many are optimistic that a good deal
0:07:17 > 0:07:23will be signed on financial services because both the UK and the EU
0:07:23 > 0:07:27will not want to disrupt such a vital component of the economy.
0:07:27 > 0:07:29And even with the job losses, Britain, with over 1 million
0:07:29 > 0:07:32financial services jobs, will still be by far the most
0:07:32 > 0:07:36important centre for banking in Europe.
0:07:39 > 0:07:41The Defence Secretary, Sir Michael Fallon, has
0:07:41 > 0:07:43confirmed he was once rebuked by a political journalist
0:07:43 > 0:07:47for putting his hand on her knee during dinner.
0:07:47 > 0:07:49The radio presenter, Julia Hartley-Brewer, said she had
0:07:49 > 0:07:53not been "remotely upset or distressed" by the incident,
0:07:53 > 0:07:55which happened 15 years ago.
0:07:55 > 0:07:57Ms Hartley-Brewer said that it was absurd to treat
0:07:57 > 0:07:59misjudged sexual overtures or flirting as being morally
0:07:59 > 0:08:02equivalent to serious sexual harassment or assault.
0:08:02 > 0:08:06NetFlix, has insisted its decision to cancel the political drama,
0:08:06 > 0:08:09House of Cards, was made before the star of the series was accused
0:08:09 > 0:08:12of making a sexual advance towards a teenage boy.
0:08:12 > 0:08:15Kevin Spacey has apologised for any "inappropriate drunken behaviour",
0:08:15 > 0:08:17but he's faced criticism for using the same statement
0:08:17 > 0:08:21to come out as gay.
0:08:22 > 0:08:26The deposed leader of Catalonia, Carles Puigdemont, has arrived
0:08:26 > 0:08:30in Belgium and hired a lawyer specialising in immigration,
0:08:30 > 0:08:33raising speculation he may seek asylum.
0:08:33 > 0:08:35Earlier, the Spanish Attorney General said he was seeking charges,
0:08:35 > 0:08:41including rebellion, sedition and the misappropriation of
0:08:41 > 0:08:43public funds, against Mr Puigdemont and other separatist leaders over
0:08:43 > 0:08:46last week's unilateral declaration of independence.
0:08:46 > 0:08:50Sarah Corker reports.
0:08:50 > 0:08:55In Barcelona, people are asking just what happens next.
0:08:55 > 0:08:57The Spanish government is now in charge of running this,
0:08:57 > 0:09:00the Catalan region.
0:09:00 > 0:09:02Carles Puigdemont, the deposed Catalan leader faces charges
0:09:02 > 0:09:06of rebellion and he has decided to escape.
0:09:06 > 0:09:09TRANSLATION: He is in Belgium.
0:09:09 > 0:09:13I think, to step away a bit and let things calm down.
0:09:13 > 0:09:17He did not give me much more explanation.
0:09:17 > 0:09:19I am not his political assistant but his justice assistant.
0:09:19 > 0:09:22And speculation is growing that Carles Puigdemont is preparing
0:09:22 > 0:09:25to seek asylum in Belgium.
0:09:25 > 0:09:31He is now potentially a fugitive from Spanish justice.
0:09:31 > 0:09:34In Catalonia, he won the hearts of these supporters by declaring
0:09:34 > 0:09:39independence on Friday.
0:09:39 > 0:09:40But he has left others, like these pro-unity
0:09:40 > 0:09:44campaigners, furious.
0:09:44 > 0:09:48What happened here, it is like Carles Puigdemont is a dictator.
0:09:48 > 0:09:50I lost a lot of friends.
0:09:50 > 0:09:53We talk a lot about politics and this is impossible to talk about.
0:09:53 > 0:09:55And the stand-off is escalating.
0:09:55 > 0:09:59Yesterday the prosecutor in Madrid announced serious charges
0:09:59 > 0:10:01against Catalan leaders, carrying a maximum sentence
0:10:01 > 0:10:06of 30 years in prison.
0:10:06 > 0:10:10TRANSLATION: In order to uphold honour, this office has five
0:10:10 > 0:10:14charges of rebellion, sedition and misuse of funds
0:10:14 > 0:10:17against the main Catalan leaders.
0:10:17 > 0:10:24And the reaction to that from the defacto Catalan deputy
0:10:24 > 0:10:28president who said he had nothing new to say.
0:10:28 > 0:10:32Amid reports of the other former Cabinet members are also in Belgium
0:10:32 > 0:10:34with Carles Puigdemont, the potential repercussions of this
0:10:34 > 0:10:38crisis now stretch across Europe.
0:10:41 > 0:10:43Women fleeing domestic abuse have told this programme they're
0:10:43 > 0:10:46being left homeless because councils are failing to provide them with
0:10:46 > 0:10:51suitable temporary accommodation.
0:10:51 > 0:10:54It means in some cases women are having to move time and time
0:10:54 > 0:10:58again when councils can't find appropriate homes.
0:10:58 > 0:11:01Prince William attended the Pride of Britain Awards last night,
0:11:01 > 0:11:05in which first responders to the terrorist attacks in London
0:11:05 > 0:11:08and Manchester were among the people honoured.
0:11:08 > 0:11:12Just a warning, the following pictures do contain flashing images.
0:11:12 > 0:11:14The awards, at London's Grosvenor Hotel, were also attended
0:11:14 > 0:11:18by the Prime Minister.
0:11:18 > 0:11:22Residents and community helpers were given a special recognition
0:11:22 > 0:11:24award for their work following the Grenfell Tower fire.
0:11:24 > 0:11:26Prince William praised the "inspiring" efforts of those
0:11:26 > 0:11:34who reacted to the tragedy.
0:11:34 > 0:11:39That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30am.
0:11:39 > 0:11:43We are going to talk more about the proposals for a fixed odds betting
0:11:43 > 0:11:51terminals. If you have spent money on them, tell's your own experience.
0:11:51 > 0:11:55Let's get some sport with Olly Foster.
0:11:55 > 0:12:00Sir Mo Farah is coming home and ending his relationship with
0:12:00 > 0:12:04controversial American coach Alberto Salazar.He is indeed. It was an
0:12:04 > 0:12:11inspired move in 2011. Mo Farah, not winning very much at all, halting up
0:12:11 > 0:12:15with Alberto Salazar, a former marathon runner. That
0:12:15 > 0:12:20state-of-the-art facility in the United States. In his time there, it
0:12:20 > 0:12:24was a glut of gold medals for Mo Farah, becoming the greatest
0:12:24 > 0:12:33distance runner on the track. Four Olympic titles, six world titles as
0:12:33 > 0:12:37well, as recently as this summer when he won macro 10,000 metres gold
0:12:37 > 0:12:40at the world Championships in London. He retired from the track
0:12:40 > 0:12:47after that race in London. He decided to aim towards road running.
0:12:47 > 0:12:49Half marathons, marathon running. The last couple of years there has
0:12:49 > 0:12:54been a growing unease about that relationship with Salazar, because
0:12:54 > 0:13:00he has been subject to the US anti-doping investigation. One of
0:13:00 > 0:13:06their report was leaked in which the coach was accused of unlawful
0:13:06 > 0:13:10conduct, with absolutely no justification for possessing
0:13:10 > 0:13:14testosterone, something he defended himself against, saying it was just
0:13:14 > 0:13:19for personal use because of a medical condition that he has. He
0:13:19 > 0:13:23has always denied any wrongdoing, as that investigation, which is also
0:13:23 > 0:13:28included an FBI investigation as well, he says he has never done
0:13:28 > 0:13:30anything wrong and none of his athletes have ever failed drug
0:13:30 > 0:13:37tests. We have seen Mo Farah get very angry when questioned about his
0:13:37 > 0:13:41relationship with Salazar and this ongoing investigation. He says, I
0:13:41 > 0:13:45have never failed a drugs test. I have never done anything wrong. He
0:13:45 > 0:13:49says the reason he is ending that relationship now has got nothing to
0:13:49 > 0:13:54do with that investigation or any of the allegations against Salazar. He
0:13:54 > 0:13:58says it is purely for family reasons. He wants his children to
0:13:58 > 0:14:03grow up in the UK. He is joining a new coach on the road.
0:14:03 > 0:14:09He has posted this on social media. I want to thank each member of the
0:14:09 > 0:14:13project and Alberto for what he has done over the years. Yeah, so I'm
0:14:13 > 0:14:18coming back. My new coach is Gary Locke, who coached Paula Radcliffe
0:14:18 > 0:14:23through her marathon. Very excited to start a new project, a new start.
0:14:23 > 0:14:27I can't wait to be back home and I can't wait to see my team, Arsenal,
0:14:27 > 0:14:32the Emirates. Gary Locke is Paula Radcliffe's
0:14:32 > 0:14:38husband. He has guided her career. He has a stable of young athletes.
0:14:38 > 0:14:45Sir Mo Farah, a new chapter in his athletic career. But breaking his
0:14:45 > 0:14:50relationship with Alberto Salazar. There will be many who will be glad
0:14:50 > 0:14:53of that. At Westminster today the culture,
0:14:53 > 0:14:58media and sport select committee are going to scrutinise Paralympic
0:14:58 > 0:15:02classification, aren't they?This could be fascinating. The IPC, the
0:15:02 > 0:15:09International Paralympic movement, will be bracing themselves for a a
0:15:09 > 0:15:11few high-profile athletes and allegations against them under
0:15:11 > 0:15:19Parliamentary privilege. They are looking at claims of cheating. There
0:15:19 > 0:15:22are claims that athletes are exaggerating their conditions or
0:15:22 > 0:15:25impairments to be classified within a group that gives them a better
0:15:25 > 0:15:30chance of winning. A key man appearing before the committee will
0:15:30 > 0:15:33be the lawyer Michael Green. His daughter Olivia, Paralympic long
0:15:33 > 0:15:40jump champion. He has campaigned for years Paralympic issues. He says
0:15:40 > 0:15:44there is no question that certain athletes from certain nations have
0:15:44 > 0:15:51and continue to manipulate the classification system. It is easy to
0:15:51 > 0:15:55manipulate, he says, not robust, not fit for purpose. We will be hearing
0:15:55 > 0:15:57from the key players later this morning in Westminster. We will be
0:15:57 > 0:16:02across that.
0:16:02 > 0:16:05Thank you very much, Olly. Thank you.
0:16:06 > 0:16:13Fixed-odds betting terminals like these have been dubbed
0:16:13 > 0:16:19the crack cocaine of gambling because they are so addictive.
0:16:19 > 0:16:23It is possible to lose a vast amount of money on them in a very short
0:16:23 > 0:16:24amount of time.
0:16:24 > 0:16:25But now the maximum stake for fixed-odds betting
0:16:25 > 0:16:28terminals could drop to as little as £2 under
0:16:28 > 0:16:29a government review.
0:16:29 > 0:16:33Currently, people can bet up to £100 every 20 seconds
0:16:33 > 0:16:35on the gaming machines, but proposals could limit that
0:16:35 > 0:16:39to between £2 and £50.
0:16:39 > 0:16:45The rise of fixed-odds betting terminals is an issue we've been
0:16:45 > 0:16:51covering for years on this programme and the radio, where we've heard
0:16:51 > 0:16:54from addicts who have lost hundreds of thousands of pounds on them.
0:16:54 > 0:16:56Last year an investigation by this programme found staff in betting
0:16:56 > 0:16:59shops telling us they're being told to offer customers perks
0:16:59 > 0:17:09and incentives to keep them playing on those controversial high
0:17:09 > 0:17:10stakes machines.
0:17:10 > 0:17:13I was in that hairdressers over the road and I don't
0:17:13 > 0:17:14know what happened.
0:17:14 > 0:17:17I came out of the hairdressers I thought, oh, go on,
0:17:17 > 0:17:19what's the harm, I'll go in and have a go.
0:17:19 > 0:17:20The addiction is always present.
0:17:20 > 0:17:24I fed in what I had in my wallet, which I think was about £90.
0:17:24 > 0:17:26Then I came out, took some money out of the cashpoint.
0:17:26 > 0:17:29At this point, I was totally devastated and just completely
0:17:29 > 0:17:30caught up in the gambling.
0:17:30 > 0:17:36In a red mist is probably the best way to describe it, or fog.
0:17:36 > 0:17:39And I just went to the counter and said, you know, £500.
0:17:39 > 0:17:41I lost that in the space of a few minutes.
0:17:41 > 0:17:46£1,000, I lost that.
0:17:46 > 0:17:47£1,000, lost that, and another £1,000 -
0:17:47 > 0:17:50until I had no more money in my bank account.
0:17:50 > 0:17:52And how did you feel after losing that?
0:17:52 > 0:17:53Devastated.
0:17:53 > 0:17:56At this point, the plan was still for my wife and child
0:17:56 > 0:17:58to come and live here in this country with me.
0:17:58 > 0:18:01I'd got a flat set up and everything ready to go.
0:18:01 > 0:18:03But because of that relapse, and because my wife realised
0:18:03 > 0:18:05I was still very much in the gambling, the
0:18:05 > 0:18:09addiction was there...
0:18:13 > 0:18:18Let us know your reaction to the proposed changes particularly if you
0:18:18 > 0:18:23have used fixed-odds betting terminals. You can e-mail and tweet.
0:18:23 > 0:18:28We can speak now to Jason Haddigan.
0:18:28 > 0:18:31Adam Bradford's father has had major gambling problems.
0:18:31 > 0:18:39At one point going to prison to fuel his habit.
0:18:39 > 0:18:41And in the studio, the Labour MP Carolyn Harris
0:18:41 > 0:18:46who chairs a cross-party group on Fixed Odds Betting.
0:18:46 > 0:18:50In a moment we will be joined by
0:18:50 > 0:18:52John Wright from the British Amusement Catering
0:18:52 > 0:18:54Trade Association.
0:18:54 > 0:18:58Jason, how much do you reckon you have lost through your lifetime on
0:18:58 > 0:19:06these terminals?I have lost £300,000 on them.Over what period
0:19:06 > 0:19:14of time?OK, so they came out in the year 2000. I was actually banned
0:19:14 > 0:19:25from all bookmakers in the year 2014. So from 2000 to 2014, yeah, I
0:19:25 > 0:19:31lost over £300,000.Wow. And where did you get the money from? How did
0:19:31 > 0:19:38you afford it?I was conning the bookmakers to fuel my gambling
0:19:38 > 0:19:46addiction. Yes and that is why in 2014, a Crown Court judge banned me
0:19:46 > 0:19:50from every bookmakers in the United Kingdom for I believe it was five
0:19:50 > 0:19:56years, yes.Tell me this - how much do you take responsibility for your
0:19:56 > 0:20:00actions? How much do you think it is to do with the nature of these
0:20:00 > 0:20:07particular betting terminals?Well, before the fixed-odds terminals came
0:20:07 > 0:20:13out, I was gambling since the age of nine. Very, very bad gambler. I can
0:20:13 > 0:20:17relate to Tony Franklin. I feel sorry for him. I believe he has lost
0:20:17 > 0:20:23over £2 million, the same as me, but you had a chance before the machines
0:20:23 > 0:20:29come out. I used to have thro, three, four five grand on horses and
0:20:29 > 0:20:34sometimes I would win, 2-1 and 3-1 and I would collect £15,000 or
0:20:34 > 0:20:39£20,000, but the last time I went into a bookmakers was in 2013 and I
0:20:39 > 0:20:44remember going up to the staff and I wanted £1500 on a horse at 3-1 and
0:20:44 > 0:20:50she said no, you can only have £60 on it.Right.But we can load the
0:20:50 > 0:20:58£1500 into the machines if you want. So, the bookmakers know that you
0:20:58 > 0:21:03have got absolutely no chance at all of winning any money on these
0:21:03 > 0:21:07fixed-odds terminals. This is why they are not accepting bets on
0:21:07 > 0:21:13horses and dogs anymore.Let me bring in Adam. Your father went to
0:21:13 > 0:21:17jail for stealing to fuel his habit. Something that the, you only found
0:21:17 > 0:21:24out about, I think, after it was reported in the media. His gambling
0:21:24 > 0:21:28had a devastating impact on your life. Tell us what happened?So
0:21:28 > 0:21:34you're right, he went to prison for fraud. He had a gambling addiction
0:21:34 > 0:21:38more about 30 years that he kept secret from the family. It started
0:21:38 > 0:21:42off line and then in recent years went online and as he bet more and
0:21:42 > 0:21:46more and more he started borrowing money from banks, from credit cards,
0:21:46 > 0:21:50payday loans, he even remortgaged the house in secret without any of
0:21:50 > 0:21:55us knowing. He ended up stealing money from his employers to fund the
0:21:55 > 0:22:01habit which he ultimately went to prison for, but still, when he was
0:22:01 > 0:22:04on his way to court and going through the court case we had no
0:22:04 > 0:22:08idea until he had gone into prison. He got a two year sentence for fraud
0:22:08 > 0:22:13and you know that shock and the misery we were left with just, you
0:22:13 > 0:22:21know, just devastated the family. Let me bring in Carolyn and John
0:22:21 > 0:22:25White. So the proposals that are going to be consulted on over the
0:22:25 > 0:22:30next few months talk about reducing the £100 stake every 20 seconds to
0:22:30 > 0:22:35somewhere between £2 and £50, that's a big difference, isn't it? What do
0:22:35 > 0:22:40you going to be campaigning for?£2. If it's not £2 I will feel that the
0:22:40 > 0:22:44campaign thave been running for the last two years will have been a
0:22:44 > 0:22:48waste of time. I'm confident that the Government will see sense. There
0:22:48 > 0:22:51is overwhelming evidence that people's lives have been destroyed
0:22:51 > 0:22:57by these machines and I'm interested to hear what Adam was saying. So
0:22:57 > 0:23:01many people I have spoken to had to steal in order to feed their
0:23:01 > 0:23:05gambling habit.They don't have to steal, do they?We would not say
0:23:05 > 0:23:09about that a cocaine addict. We accept that people have a problem
0:23:09 > 0:23:12with drugs and we accept that they commit crime in order to feed that.
0:23:12 > 0:23:16It is the same with these machines, but nobody is acknowledging the fact
0:23:16 > 0:23:22that these machines are as dangerous as any other drug. When you see the
0:23:22 > 0:23:27statistics, 31% of the people who actually use the machines earn less
0:23:27 > 0:23:30than £10,000. So where do they get the money to put into the machines
0:23:30 > 0:23:33from? They are not earning it. It has got to come from somewhere.John
0:23:33 > 0:23:37White, just be clear for our audience what kind of organisation
0:23:37 > 0:23:43you represent?So we represent the amusement machine industry, the
0:23:43 > 0:23:47seaside amusement arcade and the people who put machines in pubs and
0:23:47 > 0:23:50clubs and adult gaming centres on the high street.Where do you stand
0:23:50 > 0:23:55on whether it is a £2 or up to £50? We think it should be reduced
0:23:55 > 0:23:58substantially and £2 would be...You would get more business compared to
0:23:58 > 0:24:01the betting shops?No, not at all, it is about striking the right
0:24:01 > 0:24:06balance between what is appropriate for those people that wish to play
0:24:06 > 0:24:09on machines and enjoy what they have to offer and the harnl machines can
0:24:09 > 0:24:16cause to some people and quite frankly, £100, £50, £20, the numbers
0:24:16 > 0:24:21quoted in the consultation paper don't cut the mustard, you will not
0:24:21 > 0:24:24see from the evidence that I have seen any reduction in the harms that
0:24:24 > 0:24:26the machines can cause.As a Labour MP you will be concerned about jobs,
0:24:26 > 0:24:30of course, you know the betting industry say if you reduce the stake
0:24:30 > 0:24:34to £2, thousands of people will be out of work in the gambling
0:24:34 > 0:24:38industry?Well, I don't accept that...You don't believe them?No,
0:24:38 > 0:24:44I don't believe them. They are classed as shops. They are only
0:24:44 > 0:24:48allowed four machines per shop. They will put more betting shops in the
0:24:48 > 0:24:54proximity. They are sole worker operations. Truth of it is they make
0:24:54 > 0:24:57so much money from the machines that they open up extra shops in order to
0:24:57 > 0:25:01take, over 50% of their revenue comes from these machines.Exactly.
0:25:01 > 0:25:05That's what they are saying. That's why people will be out of work.
0:25:05 > 0:25:11Well, you have done the maths yourself, pretty much.If we
0:25:11 > 0:25:14actually had better businesses on the high street and reduced the
0:25:14 > 0:25:19stake, there would be more income that people could spend in cafes and
0:25:19 > 0:25:25restaurants, there would be better shops in the high street.Gambling
0:25:25 > 0:25:31is a legitimate industry. It is not illegal?The fixed-odds machines are
0:25:31 > 0:25:36dangerous. I'm not out to destroy industry. This is really, really bad
0:25:36 > 0:25:43for individuals.Michael says, "I used to work in betting shops and I
0:25:43 > 0:25:48have seen people spend hundreds of pounds in minutes. ." Lyon says, "I
0:25:48 > 0:25:52work in a bookies. I'm terrified by this. So many friends and family
0:25:52 > 0:25:59could lose their jobs." Do you care? I have to say that the FOBTs have
0:25:59 > 0:26:02caused job losses across the economy. One figure that I think
0:26:02 > 0:26:06stands out for me, from our particular sector is that nearly
0:26:06 > 0:26:09half of adult gaming centres you find on the high street have
0:26:09 > 0:26:14disappeared since the introduction of these types of machines. It is
0:26:14 > 0:26:18perfectly right and proper that a sustainable book making industry
0:26:18 > 0:26:23should exist on the high street. Like wise adult gaming centres and
0:26:23 > 0:26:26like wise family entertainment centres. I come back to the word
0:26:26 > 0:26:29again, it is balance. What is the right stake for machines on the high
0:26:29 > 0:26:33street to allow people to enjoy them and provide employment and provide
0:26:33 > 0:26:36businesses, but without coming to harm. There was a study out there, I
0:26:36 > 0:26:40don't want to get into too much technicalities, the introduction of
0:26:40 > 0:26:45these machines had destroyed jobs. Destroyed jobs. So I don't buy the
0:26:45 > 0:26:48argument that's being put forward, but for each individual, of course,
0:26:48 > 0:26:51it is a tragedy and one sympathises. Jason, you want to come back in
0:26:51 > 0:26:58there?Yes. A good point what Carolyn just made. They are saying
0:26:58 > 0:27:05there will be 16,000 people out of a job if the stake gets reduced to £2.
0:27:05 > 0:27:11I actually believe there is more than 16,000 people that have lost
0:27:11 > 0:27:15their job because they have got addicted to the fixed-odds
0:27:15 > 0:27:18terminals.Well, thank you all of you. Thank you very much for coming
0:27:18 > 0:27:21on the programme. We will see what happens in the next few weeks. There
0:27:21 > 0:27:30will be a lot of lobbying and campaigning going on. Thank you.
0:27:33 > 0:27:40Your reaction welcome. Send me an e-mail. You can message us on
0:27:40 > 0:27:42Facebook, whatsapp.
0:27:43 > 0:27:45Still to come, women fleeing domestic abuse are being left
0:27:45 > 0:27:47homeless because councils are failing to provide them with
0:27:47 > 0:27:48suitable temporary accommodation.
0:27:48 > 0:27:50We'll be hearing first-hand experiences from
0:27:50 > 0:27:54survivors of domestic abuse.
0:27:54 > 0:27:57It is the final of the Great British Bake Off tonight. We will look ahead
0:27:57 > 0:28:02to it.
0:28:02 > 0:28:08Time for the latest news, here's Annita.
0:28:08 > 0:28:11The Government has published proposals to limit the amount
0:28:11 > 0:28:13of money that can be staked on fixed-odds betting terminals.
0:28:13 > 0:28:20Measures to cut the current £100 maximum bet to somewhere between £50
0:28:20 > 0:28:22and £2 will be considered during a short consultation period.
0:28:22 > 0:28:25Critics have called the machines the crack cocaine of gambling.
0:28:26 > 0:28:31The White House has insisted that criminal charges
0:28:31 > 0:28:34brought against former aides to President Trump,
0:28:34 > 0:28:36show no evidence of collusion between his election
0:28:36 > 0:28:37campaign and Russia.
0:28:37 > 0:28:40George Papadopoulos has admitted lying to the FBI
0:28:40 > 0:28:44about his contacts with Moscow.
0:28:44 > 0:28:48He appears to be helping investigators. Two other Trump aides
0:28:48 > 0:28:53have been placed under house arrest.
0:28:53 > 0:28:56Facebook says 126 million Americans may have come into contact
0:28:56 > 0:28:58with Russian-backed propaganda before and after last year's
0:28:58 > 0:29:00presidential election.
0:29:00 > 0:29:03Twitter and Google also say they were used to share divisive
0:29:03 > 0:29:04posts traced to Russia.
0:29:04 > 0:29:06The social media giants had initially dismissed complaints
0:29:06 > 0:29:14about fake news as crazy.
0:29:14 > 0:29:16Women fleeing domestic abuse have told this programme they're
0:29:16 > 0:29:19being left homeless because councils are failing to provide them with
0:29:19 > 0:29:24suitable temporary accommodation.
0:29:24 > 0:29:30Some women have been forced to move accommodation repeatedly because the
0:29:30 > 0:29:33councils can't find appropriate accommodation.
0:29:33 > 0:29:35The Defence Secretary, Sir Michael Fallon, has
0:29:35 > 0:29:37confirmed he was once rebuked by a political journalist
0:29:37 > 0:29:39for putting his hand on her knee during dinner.
0:29:39 > 0:29:41The radio presenter, Julia Hartley-Brewer, said she had
0:29:41 > 0:29:44not been "remotely upset or distressed" by the incident,
0:29:44 > 0:29:45which happened 15 years ago.
0:29:45 > 0:29:47Ms Hartley-Brewer said that it was absurd to treat
0:29:47 > 0:29:49misjudged sexual overtures or flirting as being morally
0:29:49 > 0:30:02equivalent to serious sexual harassment.
0:30:02 > 0:30:07Sir Mo Farah has left as American coach and is returning to the UK
0:30:07 > 0:30:12with his family. Gary Locke is set to oversee his marathon career.
0:30:12 > 0:30:17Salazar is the subject of a US anti-doping investigation but denies
0:30:17 > 0:30:21allegations of wrongdoing. Sean Dyche mark five years as manager of
0:30:21 > 0:30:25Burnley with victory over Newcastle last night. Jeff Hendrick with the
0:30:25 > 0:30:29only goal. They are seventh in the Premier League. Manchester United
0:30:29 > 0:30:34take a 100% record to Benfica tonight in the Champions League.
0:30:34 > 0:30:40Victory could take them into the knockout stages. Chelsea and Celtic
0:30:40 > 0:30:43also in action. And Ronnie O'Sullivan has been knocked out of
0:30:43 > 0:30:48the International open in China by a 17-year-old. Sullivan says the only
0:30:48 > 0:30:52men to have played that well against him at the former world champions,
0:30:52 > 0:30:57John and Stephen Hendry. A full update after ten.
0:30:57 > 0:30:59Women fleeing domestic abuse have told this programme they're
0:30:59 > 0:31:01being left homeless because councils are failing to provide them with
0:31:01 > 0:31:02suitable temporary accommodation.
0:31:02 > 0:31:06It means in some cases women are having to move time and time
0:31:06 > 0:31:11again when councils can't find appropriate homes.
0:31:11 > 0:31:19Lucy Martindale escaped domestic violence four years ago -
0:31:19 > 0:31:21she moved seven times before finding a home.
0:31:21 > 0:31:23She's been to meet other
0:31:23 > 0:31:31women in her situation for this programme.
0:31:39 > 0:31:43I reported domestic violence as I was in fear for my life. I lived in
0:31:43 > 0:31:53a two-bedroom flat with a secured tenancy here in Lambeth. My children
0:31:53 > 0:32:00happily attended the local school just around the corner. The council
0:32:00 > 0:32:03moved me out of Lambeth to be away from my abuser and I was glad of
0:32:03 > 0:32:11this. I was placed here in temporary accommodation, a hostel in Norwood.
0:32:11 > 0:32:17It was tiny with six or seven families, around 22 people, all
0:32:17 > 0:32:23crammed inside. I moved the children to a local school and then the
0:32:23 > 0:32:26council told me I had a better chance of getting permanent
0:32:26 > 0:32:33accommodation by taking a private rental. And so I moved to here. A
0:32:33 > 0:32:37small flat in Streatham. The flat had damp. I reported this to the
0:32:37 > 0:32:43landlord. A few months later, I was evicted and I had to present to the
0:32:43 > 0:32:50council as homeless. I was moved to this hotel. Nowhere to cook, nowhere
0:32:50 > 0:32:55to feed your children, and you all share one bed. My son had his tenth
0:32:55 > 0:33:03birthday here. Not one of his best birthdays. And from the hotel I was
0:33:03 > 0:33:09moved here, to a bed and breakfast in Purley. We shared it with five
0:33:09 > 0:33:12families and some single men. We were now eight miles away from the
0:33:12 > 0:33:24children's school. I insisted the council moved me. And six weeks
0:33:24 > 0:33:27later, I ended up here, an old school which is now used as
0:33:27 > 0:33:32temporary accommodation for homeless families. I had one tiny bedroom.
0:33:32 > 0:33:37The children's school was three miles away. In the end I was so fed
0:33:37 > 0:33:43up I found accommodation myself. This meant a move into a private
0:33:43 > 0:33:52rental, which is hard for me to afford. So now I'm here. My seventh
0:33:52 > 0:33:57home in less than four years. My experience has been traumatic. So it
0:33:57 > 0:34:01made me want to find out what has happened to other women in my
0:34:01 > 0:34:11position. How are you?Fine, thank you.Caves
0:34:11 > 0:34:18led a violent relationship last year.He woke up this morning and
0:34:18 > 0:34:24said, it was so comfortable. After three months of sofa surfing and
0:34:24 > 0:34:27going around different properties, fitting into other people's lives,
0:34:27 > 0:34:33it's such a relief.When I went to meet her, she had just moved into
0:34:33 > 0:34:39temporary accommodation with her children. Tell me how you ended up
0:34:39 > 0:34:47here in Bromley?I approached Bromley. After six months, I was in
0:34:47 > 0:34:51a refuge, after six months they agreed to has me as a single person.
0:34:51 > 0:34:56A couple of months later, the children came to live with me. It
0:34:56 > 0:35:00was then that they refused to accept the children onto the housing.What
0:35:00 > 0:35:07is your housing situation now?I'm currently in a temporary property.
0:35:07 > 0:35:10We have been staying at four different properties. Just
0:35:10 > 0:35:18constantly moving.With family and friends?Yeah.Did they offered to
0:35:18 > 0:35:25put you in a hostel, Hotel?No. They didn't give me... They didn't give
0:35:25 > 0:35:29me even a leaflet.How did you arrange your housing on a day-to-day
0:35:29 > 0:35:39basis?It was very difficult indeed emotionally. Very difficult. Because
0:35:39 > 0:35:42you are basically begging and every day not knowing where you are going
0:35:42 > 0:35:50to be sleeping. At the same time trying to put on a happy face, to be
0:35:50 > 0:35:53supportive for the children, telling them it's going to be all right went
0:35:53 > 0:35:56deep inside you really don't think it's going to be. You don't know
0:35:56 > 0:35:59what you are going to be doing, where you are going to be staying.
0:35:59 > 0:36:05You can maybe -- you couldn't always maybe Koke dinner, so maybe you are
0:36:05 > 0:36:09buying food on the go, eating sandwiches. You feel you are not
0:36:09 > 0:36:15providing a stable diet. But the fact I was escaping domestic
0:36:15 > 0:36:21violence, and that they are dependent children, still they was
0:36:21 > 0:36:30flat-out refusing to liaise with me. Every door was closed.
0:36:30 > 0:36:33Kay visited the council numerous times and made repeated phone calls,
0:36:33 > 0:36:44begging them for help. I've got nowhere to go. Nowhere!
0:36:44 > 0:36:53It says you can stay with your cousin.
0:36:53 > 0:37:00I cannot stay there. I cannot stay there. OK? But why? But why can't
0:37:00 > 0:37:05you help me? Y can't Bromley helped me? What are we supposed to do
0:37:05 > 0:37:15tonight? I can't stay there.
0:37:19 > 0:37:26It Bromley council spokesperson said...
0:37:59 > 0:38:03Cheryl fled her home in Croydon this year and was immediately placed in a
0:38:03 > 0:38:13refuge. She has been -- she is being evicted today because after eight
0:38:13 > 0:38:20months her time is up. But she has nowhere else to go.
0:38:20 > 0:38:26How did it make you feel, having to be evicted from the refuge?Worried,
0:38:26 > 0:38:30because I didn't know where I was going that night. They give you four
0:38:30 > 0:38:34weeks notice. You expect to leave at the end of four weeks knowing where
0:38:34 > 0:38:42you are going.You know the date you were leaving?You would've picture
0:38:42 > 0:38:47key is up, gone to view properties. On the Monday, the week that I was
0:38:47 > 0:38:53leaving, they found somewhere in Westcliff on Sea, but that was too
0:38:53 > 0:38:58far. The day after that, the Tuesday, I spoke to them again and
0:38:58 > 0:39:04they asked me if I would go to the North of England. I said no. I have
0:39:04 > 0:39:09commitments down this way. I've got nobody in the north England.The
0:39:09 > 0:39:13government strategy says it will continue to ensure all women are
0:39:13 > 0:39:18supported. What do you feel about that?I feel that they have lied
0:39:18 > 0:39:22because all women are not supported. I feel that someone from the
0:39:22 > 0:39:26government should go through what we have been through and see if they
0:39:26 > 0:39:30say the same at the end of it, because I can guarantee they want. I
0:39:30 > 0:39:35think they should be more places for women with domestic violence to go
0:39:35 > 0:39:43to. All the numbers they give you, half of them don't do anything for
0:39:43 > 0:39:50you. It is like a lucky dip. I can identify with that. You are just a
0:39:50 > 0:39:55number at the end of the day, really. I thought we all have human
0:39:55 > 0:40:00rights and stuff. You've got no rights. Your rights are taken out of
0:40:00 > 0:40:07your hands. I wanted to know if councils have a
0:40:07 > 0:40:13duty to house all women who have left a violent relationship. So I
0:40:13 > 0:40:19went to speak to Jane Pritchard, a housing lawyer.So when a person
0:40:19 > 0:40:22applies to the local authority in a situation where they are fleeing
0:40:22 > 0:40:25domestic abuse, there is a really low bar that they need to be
0:40:25 > 0:40:30satisfied of, in order to provide them with temporary accommodation.
0:40:30 > 0:40:33Of the local authority simply need reason to believe that the person is
0:40:33 > 0:40:38harmless, which should be obvious. That they are eligible for
0:40:38 > 0:40:42assistance under the Housing act. And that they are in priority need
0:40:42 > 0:40:49of accommodation. If those criteria are satisfied, then there is a duty
0:40:49 > 0:40:55to provide suitable accommodation immediately.All the women which I
0:40:55 > 0:40:59have spoken to feel that they have been bounced from one person to the
0:40:59 > 0:41:06next. Do you think this is a common thing?It's a really common
0:41:06 > 0:41:09situation that week, Culross. Clients coming to see us seeking
0:41:09 > 0:41:14advice because they have gone to one council and been told it's not their
0:41:14 > 0:41:20responsibility, and to go to another responsibility it's really important
0:41:20 > 0:41:25to understand that this type of behaviour week-old gatekeeping is
0:41:25 > 0:41:31housing lawyers, is unlawful. ---Week-old gatekeeping. Your
0:41:31 > 0:41:35connection with the borrower has nothing to do with their immediate
0:41:35 > 0:41:42duty to one, except a homeless person's application, and two, to
0:41:42 > 0:41:44provide you with temporary accommodation.What impact does this
0:41:44 > 0:41:51have?Where someone is fleeing domestic abuse we may only ever have
0:41:51 > 0:41:55one chance, one opportunity to assist in protecting them, to ensure
0:41:55 > 0:42:00they are housed in suitable safe, secure accommodation. If that
0:42:00 > 0:42:05applicant goes to the council and is turned away at that time, we know
0:42:05 > 0:42:09that that person may never go back. They go back to the perpetrator of
0:42:09 > 0:42:21the abuse. They never, ever have the opportunity again of being rehoused.
0:42:21 > 0:42:24Lots of the women I spoke to told me about how councils had refused to
0:42:24 > 0:42:31help them. Sofia greeted talk about her experience but she wanted to
0:42:31 > 0:42:39keep her identity private. When I went into this relationship I
0:42:39 > 0:42:46was in love with my partner. And within a month, when I was beaten
0:42:46 > 0:42:53up, I was stripped nude and thrown out of the house. My neighbours
0:42:53 > 0:42:59helped to told me and give me first aid.Sofia left her home with
0:42:59 > 0:43:07nothing.I knew I needed resources like money. So I had some jewellery
0:43:07 > 0:43:16on. My wedding ring, my engagement ring. I had some bangles.
0:43:16 > 0:43:20Basically... Sophia went to the council after
0:43:20 > 0:43:24arriving in London, hoping they would help.I had walked in about
0:43:24 > 0:43:31ten seconds into the council within ten seconds I was asked to go. They
0:43:31 > 0:43:36just dismissed me. They didn't seem to understand that I was homeless. I
0:43:36 > 0:43:41was actually homeless.What happened next?Since then I repeatedly
0:43:41 > 0:43:44visited the Council almost every day and there were times when I have
0:43:44 > 0:43:53been in that phone booth crying my eyes out, I was so upset and I was
0:43:53 > 0:43:57so vulnerable.Eventually the council agreed to house Sofia and
0:43:57 > 0:44:02offered her a place at a hostel. When I went to this hostel, it
0:44:02 > 0:44:10housed 14 women. I was scared. I was just scared.You was a victim of
0:44:10 > 0:44:18domestic violence.Yes. I do remember one of those men actually
0:44:18 > 0:44:24came to me and said, you know darling, if you get a knock on your
0:44:24 > 0:44:28door at two o'clock in the morning, don't worry, it only me. I couldn't
0:44:28 > 0:44:40speak. I literally couldn't speak. Having made it to where I am today,
0:44:40 > 0:44:46I couldn't have done it. I am very proud of myself.You should be.
0:44:46 > 0:44:51I wanted to learn more about the impact domestic violence has no
0:44:51 > 0:44:55woman's light and her housing. So I travelled to North London to meet
0:44:55 > 0:44:59Mary Mason. There are already people who are
0:44:59 > 0:45:04feeling traumatised. To move then from home to home, to move often
0:45:04 > 0:45:08from school to school, to move from temporary accommodation to temporary
0:45:08 > 0:45:14accommodation just adds to the lengthening amount of trauma that
0:45:14 > 0:45:17somebody experiences. The other thing I think it is important to
0:45:17 > 0:45:22understand is that a lot of women would choose not to leave a violent
0:45:22 > 0:45:32relationship because they can't get decent housing.This isn't just a
0:45:32 > 0:45:36London problem, is it?No, it is a national problem and a lot of issues
0:45:36 > 0:45:40that are happening in London are repeated elsewhere around the
0:45:40 > 0:45:44country. What we really want to do and the women we're working with
0:45:44 > 0:45:47really want to do is rebuild their lives. The reason they left the
0:45:47 > 0:45:50violence and abuse was to find a better life for themselves and their
0:45:50 > 0:45:57children. I'm glad there are people like Mary
0:45:57 > 0:46:04and Jane who are helping women like me find their way, but I don't
0:46:04 > 0:46:08think, we the survivors of domestic violence should have to rely on
0:46:08 > 0:46:18lawyers and charities to help us. Thank you for your messages. Jane on
0:46:18 > 0:46:21Facebook says, "The system is wrong and leaves victims more vulnerable
0:46:21 > 0:46:24and sweeps this under the carpet. I lost a daughter to suicide three
0:46:24 > 0:46:28years ago due to reporting domestic abuse and she got no help from
0:46:28 > 0:46:34anyone." This tweet from Jo, "Women and children are fleeing domestic
0:46:34 > 0:46:39violence and they are often left homeless or housed in B&B-type
0:46:39 > 0:46:44accommodation which leaves them feeling more isolated." ." Kirsty
0:46:44 > 0:46:49says, "There should be more support in place to get the abusers out of
0:46:49 > 0:46:53the family home." Another viewer says, "We can't rely on the
0:46:53 > 0:46:57Government and councils to help, so abused women end up staying with the
0:46:57 > 0:47:02abuser." Kerry, "I am sorry for every victim this this domestic
0:47:02 > 0:47:07abuse housing film. I just wish I could help them."
0:47:07 > 0:47:12Keep viewer views coming in, particularly if you have your own
0:47:12 > 0:47:14personal experience.
0:47:14 > 0:47:16Coming up, some of Britain's most successful Paralympic athletes
0:47:16 > 0:47:18are facing suggestions they won their gold medals unfairly
0:47:18 > 0:47:20at parliamentary hearing.
0:47:20 > 0:47:22We'll be getting the views of two Paralympic athletes a little
0:47:22 > 0:47:25later in the programme.
0:47:25 > 0:47:28It's the final of the Great British Bake Off tonight with
0:47:28 > 0:47:31Kate, Stephen and Sophie battling it out to win the title.
0:47:31 > 0:47:34Despite only getting around half the viewers on Channel 4
0:47:34 > 0:47:41compared to BBC One, it has been seen as a huge success.
0:47:41 > 0:47:44It has been watched by more young people than any other show on TV
0:47:44 > 0:47:48so far this year, and is likely to be Channel 4's most watched
0:47:48 > 0:47:48programme since 1985.
0:47:48 > 0:47:54Here's why.
0:48:03 > 0:48:08Is trifle popular in Siberia.I have never seen trifle.What's trifle in
0:48:08 > 0:48:15Russian?I don't know.
0:48:19 > 0:48:27Oh my god. What happened?Stacey is making red velvet chocolate sponge
0:48:27 > 0:48:33which she will decorate to make look like a designer handbag.It will be
0:48:33 > 0:48:37quite moist.Looking forward to the moist clutch.Do you feel you need
0:48:37 > 0:48:43this one to get yourself higher up the rankings?I think we do.It's a
0:48:43 > 0:48:51we now. Very nice. LAUGHTER
0:48:51 > 0:48:57It's so frustrating.I like the snail!Is there something about the
0:48:57 > 0:49:02shape of the snail? LAUGHTER
0:49:02 > 0:49:12Paul, are you going to pull yourself together?Yeah, in a minute.
0:49:12 > 0:49:20What's the shape?Solid.Try and keep up with the youth.That is
0:49:20 > 0:49:32ridiculous.Bakers, you've got 45 minutes left. 45.
0:49:32 > 0:49:44Take it out. The second prove.It is not horrific.
0:49:46 > 0:49:48Let's talk now to Andrew Smyth, a finalist
0:49:48 > 0:49:52on last year's Bake Off.
0:49:52 > 0:49:55He's still baking and made an edible jet for Prince
0:49:55 > 0:49:59William after the series.
0:49:59 > 0:50:06I said, "I recognise you." Off the TV! I thought we'd met.She thought
0:50:06 > 0:50:09she had seen me at a conference!
0:50:09 > 0:50:11Buzzfeed's Bake Off correspondent, Scott Bryan is also here.
0:50:11 > 0:50:15He thinks this year hasn't been a "vintage" series.
0:50:15 > 0:50:17Becky Chester is a Bake off superfan that's been baking
0:50:17 > 0:50:21along to the series.
0:50:21 > 0:50:24She has baked us a Halloween special pumpkin cake in the theme of week
0:50:24 > 0:50:25eight's "forgotten bakes."
0:50:25 > 0:50:30We will show it to you now. There is the pumpkin cake, thank you.
0:50:30 > 0:50:37John Holland is a fan who thinks the Bake Off brand is potentially
0:50:37 > 0:50:40running out of steam.
0:50:40 > 0:50:43He has brought in a brain-themed cake based on week
0:50:43 > 0:50:46one's "illusion" theme.
0:50:46 > 0:50:50That's quite a masterpiece.It looks like the same thing.When have you
0:50:50 > 0:50:55seen a real brain?Not recently! LAUGHTER
0:50:55 > 0:51:01He was carrying it on the Tube this morning.Did everyone see it?Yeah.
0:51:01 > 0:51:06Someone said, "Don't eat it all at once." Scott, let's look at the
0:51:06 > 0:51:09audience figures first of allment they are lower than BBC One. As you
0:51:09 > 0:51:15would expect.Yes.But for the 16 to 34 age group, it is mega, isn't it?
0:51:15 > 0:51:20It is the biggest show on TV this year for young people and also for
0:51:20 > 0:51:24Channel 4's prospective, it is great for them because they get all of the
0:51:24 > 0:51:27appetising for shows they get to definitely get in the money that
0:51:27 > 0:51:31they have spent on this show. I have sensed that I think particularly
0:51:31 > 0:51:35online there is less of a buzz this year.So you mean they are not
0:51:35 > 0:51:39pumping out the social media as much or there is less chatter?There is
0:51:39 > 0:51:43less chatter, I think.Why is that then?Part of it is because last
0:51:43 > 0:51:49year when you used to watch it on BBC iPlayer, you could rewind and
0:51:49 > 0:51:55have stuff to share around on Tumbler and Twitter. This year it is
0:51:55 > 0:51:59harder because on All 4 it is not as good as the BBC's. So I think, I
0:51:59 > 0:52:03know that sounds a bit specific, but I think that does have an effect
0:52:03 > 0:52:07with how young people talk about the show. But still, I mean, it is
0:52:07 > 0:52:12definitely a programme that I think people really just like particularly
0:52:12 > 0:52:15because it's authentic also the fact that they have characters like Liam
0:52:15 > 0:52:23who is very young, their age range as well.Liam... Oh Liam. Liam.
0:52:23 > 0:52:27The nation seemed to weep. Absolutely. Everyone loved Liam.
0:52:27 > 0:52:33There was a lot of social media around Liam going out and there was
0:52:33 > 0:52:37huge uproar.What do you think in terms of how similar it is to the
0:52:37 > 0:52:43BBC version apart from the adverts? I thought it would be more Channel 4
0:52:43 > 0:52:47and the advert leading up to Bake Off gave you that inkling that we
0:52:47 > 0:52:52were going to do something different and away went the music and you were
0:52:52 > 0:52:56there and it was the same again, apart from Noel being Noel!
0:52:56 > 0:52:59LAUGHTER What do you mean, funny and rude?
0:52:59 > 0:53:04Yes.Do you like that?I think he's fantastic. He has done really well.
0:53:04 > 0:53:09What do you think looking at the contestants and presenters and
0:53:09 > 0:53:12judges and the new faces?They have pitched it quite well. Audiences
0:53:12 > 0:53:16only like a certain amount of change and with the channel move and the
0:53:16 > 0:53:19breaks and the new presenting teams it was a sensible decision to keep
0:53:19 > 0:53:25the bake e the music and the challenges and the same format, they
0:53:25 > 0:53:28might have lost more of a share if they moved away from the classic
0:53:28 > 0:53:33format. The bakers have been fantastic.What about as characters?
0:53:33 > 0:53:37For me it is about the baking and when we auditioned to go in the
0:53:37 > 0:53:40tent, you are judged on the quality of your baking.It is nice if there
0:53:40 > 0:53:44is a personality to go with it. There was some personalities when
0:53:44 > 0:53:47Liam left, there was some upset because he was one of the favourite
0:53:47 > 0:53:50characters and a lot of people thought he was going to make it the
0:53:50 > 0:53:57whole way to the end. But in the tenth night, we have got three
0:53:57 > 0:54:01amazing skilled bakers and I can't wait to see what they produce.John,
0:54:01 > 0:54:07why do you think it is running out of steam?There is only so much that
0:54:07 > 0:54:11Love Productions can do. They have built in a format where they are
0:54:11 > 0:54:16able to introduce commercial breaks like on Channel 4. And so, I think
0:54:16 > 0:54:19there is only so much they can do in terms of how the show is structured.
0:54:19 > 0:54:22You are always going to open with that signature bake. You are going
0:54:22 > 0:54:28to have technical. You are going to have a show-stopper. So I don't
0:54:28 > 0:54:31think the system is there, it's not broken. I don't think they should
0:54:31 > 0:54:37try and fix it.Right.But.I'm confused. It's running out of steam,
0:54:37 > 0:54:40but it's all right.It's running out of steam because they can't change
0:54:40 > 0:54:46it. It's kind of...Is that fair or not?The weird thing I find about it
0:54:46 > 0:54:50Channel 4 say it is a very Channel 4 show now and I still think it is a
0:54:50 > 0:54:55BBC show with ads in like it is distinctively un-Channel 4y.It is
0:54:55 > 0:55:02very similar.It is very similar and I like the fact that Noel Fielding
0:55:02 > 0:55:06is providing some left field humour and each every week he is trying to
0:55:06 > 0:55:12see how far he can take it. On the first episode...Oh, he was
0:55:12 > 0:55:16apologetic, he was really sheepish, I'm really sorry I got this job.
0:55:16 > 0:55:21Last week he was dancing around and having, and I like the how he works
0:55:21 > 0:55:25with Sandy. It is not what I was expecting. Nobody could see them
0:55:25 > 0:55:29being a duo.What do you think Andrew about the challenges that
0:55:29 > 0:55:32they have been set this time? Could they have pushed that further? Do
0:55:32 > 0:55:36you think they were challenging enough?I think year-on-year they
0:55:36 > 0:55:39have to ramp up the challenges. If we look back to the first series of
0:55:39 > 0:55:44Bake Off now, it does look simpler, it was things like Victorian sponges
0:55:44 > 0:55:48and scones, as you have gone through the series they have had to increase
0:55:48 > 0:55:52in complexity and you only had to look at the illusion cakes. It was
0:55:52 > 0:55:55final territory a couple of years ago. I think as people have watched
0:55:55 > 0:55:59it and gained more confidence at home as well, people I think around
0:55:59 > 0:56:02the nation have upskilled their baking. If you had talked about
0:56:02 > 0:56:06spray nodsles that they were using in the first episode a couple of
0:56:06 > 0:56:09years back, people would have had no idea, but now there is lots of
0:56:09 > 0:56:12amateurs who are making incredible cakes. I think it will be
0:56:12 > 0:56:15interesting to see how much they can push that because there is only so
0:56:15 > 0:56:18far you can go if you get more and more complicated.What's been the
0:56:18 > 0:56:24best bake for you, Becky?Well, of the whole series?Yes.In terms of
0:56:24 > 0:56:28baking along I found it hard to bake along with the technicals because
0:56:28 > 0:56:31they have used a lot of specialist equipment and things like that which
0:56:31 > 0:56:38I just haven't got so I had to adapt bits and pieces, but I thought the
0:56:38 > 0:56:42meringues were brilliant last week and you needed that element of
0:56:42 > 0:56:47technical ability of understanding how the meringue works alongside
0:56:47 > 0:56:51making it look beautiful which challenged Stephen which I quite
0:56:51 > 0:56:54like the fact it challenged Stephen because I think he's done so well at
0:56:54 > 0:56:58making things look fabulous so far. How many sometimes of times has he
0:56:58 > 0:57:08won star baker?Three or four.What about worst bake?I can't say how
0:57:08 > 0:57:12bad their bakes are because mine have been horrible in the past. I
0:57:12 > 0:57:16think like sometimes that you have it when they try to be very so
0:57:16 > 0:57:20ambitious and they realise about ten minutes before the end...They can't
0:57:20 > 0:57:25manage it.They can't manage it. Sometimes when people do that at
0:57:25 > 0:57:29home they don't have the time constraint. When you are doing it in
0:57:29 > 0:57:32timed scenario, I was at this live interactive baking experience where
0:57:32 > 0:57:36you can bake along in real-time and it is only when you realise that you
0:57:36 > 0:57:39are in the at any time and you are against the clock, it really makes
0:57:39 > 0:57:45it, you just do daft things. You just lose control about how simple
0:57:45 > 0:57:50things work like a whisk because it is the pressure.Scott is right. It
0:57:50 > 0:57:54is the balance between being just ambitious, but not stretching
0:57:54 > 0:57:58yourself because you can fail quickly in the tent. Whether it is
0:57:58 > 0:58:01the oven door coming off or overflowing things on the hob.Who
0:58:01 > 0:58:09is going to win?Stephen.Sophie. Stephen.Sophie.I have the casting
0:58:09 > 0:58:13vote -- not! Thank you very much for bringing in your amazing creations
0:58:13 > 0:58:16particularly love the brain cake and the pumpkin cake. Thank you. We
0:58:16 > 0:58:21appreciate it.
0:58:24 > 0:58:30Carol is here. I have a lovely little dancing skeleton if you're
0:58:30 > 0:58:33going out to celebrate Hallowe'en, maybe trick or treating, for most of
0:58:33 > 0:58:36us, it will be mild. That's where the weather starts to change. Let's
0:58:36 > 0:58:39focus first of all on what's happening this morning. We've got
0:58:39 > 0:58:42some rain across the western Highlands. That's going to be
0:58:42 > 0:58:45persistent through the course of the day. Rain pushing north-east wards
0:58:45 > 0:58:48across the Northern Isles and some showers coming in across Northern
0:58:48 > 0:58:51Ireland, northern England and through the day we will see one or
0:58:51 > 0:58:54two in Wales, the Midlands and East Anglia, but there is a lot of dry
0:58:54 > 0:58:58weather around as well. So this afternoon across Northern
0:58:58 > 0:59:02Ireland, it's a mixture of bright spells, sunshine and showers. The
0:59:02 > 0:59:05more persistent rain hanging around Western Scotland and Argyll and
0:59:05 > 0:59:08Bute. Anything that goes over to the east of Scotland will be patchy and
0:59:08 > 0:59:11to the east of gram preians, we will have temperatures 14 or 15 as we
0:59:11 > 0:59:16will to the east of Pennines in any sunshine. But quite a bit of cloud
0:59:16 > 0:59:19with the showers across north-west England, some of it getting across
0:59:19 > 0:59:22the Pennines. Some showers in the Midlands and one or two in East
0:59:22 > 0:59:25Anglia, but this morning's cloud will continue to break up and we
0:59:25 > 0:59:31will start to see sunny spells developing. Temperatures this
0:59:31 > 0:59:33afternoon in the sunshine in Plymouth 12 Celsius. For Wales,
0:59:33 > 0:59:37bright skies or sunny spells with just one or two showers as well. If
0:59:37 > 0:59:41you are going out trick or treating this evening, it will be mild. It
0:59:41 > 0:59:45will be fairly cloudy. Where the cloud breaks across southern England
0:59:45 > 0:59:49it will be cooler, but we will have the rain and mild conditions across
0:59:49 > 0:59:52Northern Ireland and Scotland and the rain sinking further south by
0:59:52 > 0:59:57the time we get to the end of the night. So tomorrow's rush hour
0:59:57 > 1:00:00across Scotland and Northern Ireland is likely to be quite wet and as
1:00:00 > 1:00:04this front producing the rain sinks further south, what you will find is
1:00:04 > 1:00:08it will tend to turn weaker in nature and the rain on it patchier
1:00:08 > 1:00:12and behind it, we see a return to bright spells, sunshine and showers.
1:00:12 > 1:00:16Still quite windy in the north and ahead of it, we are looking at the
1:00:16 > 1:00:19cloud breaking up and some sunny spells coming out as well.
1:00:19 > 1:00:22Temperatures in the north, 12 Celsius. But in the south, we are
1:00:22 > 1:00:27looking at 15 Celsius. If we pick up the weather front producing the rain
1:00:27 > 1:00:29it sinks south during Wednesday and into Thursday. That's a weak
1:00:29 > 1:00:33feature. What we will find across southern areas is a band of cloud
1:00:33 > 1:00:37with spots of rain, the far south of England, seeing bright spells, but
1:00:37 > 1:00:40look at the difference across Scotland, northern England and
1:00:40 > 1:00:44Northern Ireland. Much drier, much brighter, but also it's going to
1:00:44 > 1:00:46feel much cooler.
1:00:48 > 1:00:53Hello, it's Tuesday, it's 10 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire.
1:00:53 > 1:00:55A government review could see the maximum stake for fixed-odds
1:00:55 > 1:01:05betting terminals drop to as little as £2.
1:01:09 > 1:01:12The bookmakers know if you have absolutely no chance at all of
1:01:12 > 1:01:20putting money on. This is why they are not accepting any bets on horses
1:01:20 > 1:01:27or dogs and a more.That as a man who lost more than £300,000 on fixed
1:01:27 > 1:01:29odds betting.
1:01:29 > 1:01:31We're speaking to some of those who have lost money
1:01:31 > 1:01:34through addiction to the machines, including a man whose
1:01:34 > 1:01:36gambling problem cost him half a million pounds.
1:01:36 > 1:01:37Also this morning, women fleeing domestic abuse have
1:01:37 > 1:01:40told this programme they're being left homeless because councils
1:01:40 > 1:01:42are failing to provide them with suitable temporary accommodation.
1:01:42 > 1:01:45Basically begging and every day not knowing where you're going to be
1:01:45 > 1:01:52sleeping and at the same time trying to put on a happy face and...
1:01:52 > 1:01:56To be supportive for the children.
1:01:56 > 1:01:59And as sexual harassment claims continue to engulf Westminster,
1:01:59 > 1:02:03we'll bring you more reaction.
1:02:09 > 1:02:11Good morning.
1:02:11 > 1:02:13Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of todays news.
1:02:14 > 1:02:17Good morning.
1:02:17 > 1:02:20The government has proposed reducing the amount of money that can be
1:02:20 > 1:02:22staked on fixed-odds betting terminals, to protect players
1:02:22 > 1:02:25from racking up huge losses.
1:02:25 > 1:02:27Betting companies earn about £1.8 billion a year from the machines,
1:02:27 > 1:02:33which critics have described as the "crack cocaine" of gambling.
1:02:33 > 1:02:37The White House has dismissed the arrest of some
1:02:37 > 1:02:40of President Trump's former advisers as inconsequential.
1:02:40 > 1:02:44George Papadopoulos has admitted lying to the FBI
1:02:44 > 1:02:47about his contacts with Russia, and now appears to have been helping
1:02:47 > 1:02:49the investigation into alleged links between the Trump
1:02:49 > 1:02:51campaign and Moscow.
1:02:51 > 1:02:57Two other Trump aides have been placed under house arrest.
1:02:57 > 1:03:02Facebook says 126 million Americans may have come into contact
1:03:02 > 1:03:05with Russian-backed propaganda before and after last year's
1:03:05 > 1:03:07presidential election.
1:03:07 > 1:03:09Twitter and Google also say they were used to share divisive
1:03:09 > 1:03:12posts traced to Russia.
1:03:12 > 1:03:14The social media giants had initially dismissed complaints
1:03:14 > 1:03:19about fake news as crazy.
1:03:19 > 1:03:22The Bank of England says failure to secure a trade deal with the EU
1:03:22 > 1:03:25before Brexit could see the loss of 75,000 jobs from the UK's
1:03:25 > 1:03:29financial services sector.
1:03:29 > 1:03:32It's told financial firms to be prepared for "no deal",
1:03:32 > 1:03:34but senior figures at the Bank are said to be optimistic that
1:03:34 > 1:03:38negotiations will be successful.
1:03:38 > 1:03:41Women fleeing domestic abuse have told this programme they're
1:03:41 > 1:03:44being left homeless because councils are failing to provide them with
1:03:44 > 1:03:48suitable temporary accommodation.
1:03:48 > 1:03:51It means in some cases women are having to move time and time
1:03:51 > 1:03:55again when councils can't find appropriate homes.
1:03:55 > 1:03:58The Defence Secretary, Sir Michael Fallon, has
1:03:58 > 1:04:00confirmed he was once rebuked by a political journalist
1:04:00 > 1:04:03for putting his hand on her knee during dinner.
1:04:03 > 1:04:05The radio presenter, Julia Hartley-Brewer, said she had
1:04:05 > 1:04:09not been "remotely upset or distressed" by the incident,
1:04:09 > 1:04:11which happened 15 years ago.
1:04:11 > 1:04:14Ms Hartley-Brewer said that it was absurd to treat
1:04:14 > 1:04:15misjudged sexual overtures or flirting as being morally
1:04:15 > 1:04:17equivalent to serious sexual harassment or assault.
1:04:17 > 1:04:20NetFlix has insisted its decision to cancel the political drama,
1:04:20 > 1:04:23House of Cards, was made before the star of the series was accused
1:04:23 > 1:04:29of making a sexual advance towards a teenage boy.
1:04:29 > 1:04:33Kevin Spacey has apologised for any "inappropriate drunken behaviour",
1:04:33 > 1:04:35but he's faced criticism for using the same statement
1:04:35 > 1:04:40to come out as gay.
1:04:40 > 1:04:42Prince William attended the Pride of Britain Awards last night,
1:04:42 > 1:04:44in which first responders to the terrorist attacks in London
1:04:44 > 1:04:48and Manchester were among the people honoured.
1:04:48 > 1:04:50Just a warning, the following pictures do contain flashing images.
1:04:50 > 1:04:53The awards, at London's Grosvenor Hotel, were also attended
1:04:53 > 1:04:56by the Prime Minister.
1:04:56 > 1:04:58Residents and community helpers were given a special recognition
1:04:58 > 1:05:02award for their work following the Grenfell Tower fire.
1:05:02 > 1:05:05Prince William praised the "inspiring" efforts of those
1:05:05 > 1:05:08who reacted to the tragedy.
1:05:08 > 1:05:10That's a summary of the latest BBC News.
1:05:10 > 1:05:16More at 10:30.
1:05:16 > 1:05:20Jonathan has e-mailed. He is talking about the fixed-odds betting
1:05:20 > 1:05:23terminals. He says he has lost so much it would be impossible to
1:05:23 > 1:05:30accurately calculate. The misery is incalculable. Gambling should not be
1:05:30 > 1:05:33made -- made illegal but strategies need to be put in place to help
1:05:33 > 1:05:37people like him. Individuals who are not weak but have an illness. A good
1:05:37 > 1:05:43start would be to limit the maximum bet on high Street betting shops and
1:05:43 > 1:05:47ban all gambling adverts. Alison owns a small independent betting
1:05:47 > 1:05:50office in Yorkshire, and continues to watch the programme on the ACU
1:05:50 > 1:05:55and the problems caused by fixed-odds betting. She agrees some
1:05:55 > 1:05:59people have a problem with betting but it is not just restricted to
1:05:59 > 1:06:05machines. You can bet and Gamble far more than £100 on any dog or horse
1:06:05 > 1:06:11race. Your guest this morning is 1 million miles wide of the mark if
1:06:11 > 1:06:16she thinks there will be no job losses, if the state is reduced to
1:06:16 > 1:06:21£2 per spin. I employ five people. They will all lose their jobs the
1:06:21 > 1:06:24following day should this extreme action be taken. Thank you for
1:06:24 > 1:06:27those. Do get in touch.
1:06:27 > 1:06:33Here's some sport now with Olly Foster.
1:06:33 > 1:06:39Good morning. Four Olympic golds, six world championship titles, that
1:06:39 > 1:06:43is the impact Alberto Salazar had on so Mo Farah's career. But after six
1:06:43 > 1:06:47years he is leaving his American colt to return to the UK with his
1:06:47 > 1:06:52family. He says the split has nothing to do with the two-year US
1:06:52 > 1:06:55anti-doping investigation into Salazar. Both men deny any
1:06:55 > 1:06:58wrongdoing. None of Salazar's athletes have ever failed a drugs
1:06:58 > 1:07:04test. Farah resigned -- retired from the track this summer. Gary Locke
1:07:04 > 1:07:09will oversee his marathon career. Farah posted this message on social
1:07:09 > 1:07:10media.
1:07:10 > 1:07:12I want to thank each member of the project and Alberto
1:07:12 > 1:07:16for what he has done over the years. Yeah, so I'm coming back.
1:07:16 > 1:07:18My new coach is Gary Locke, who coached Paula Radcliffe
1:07:18 > 1:07:19through her marathons.
1:07:19 > 1:07:21Very excited to start a new project, a new start.
1:07:21 > 1:07:25I can't wait to be back home and I can't wait to see my team,
1:07:25 > 1:07:31Arsenal, at the Emirates.
1:07:31 > 1:07:36In the next half an hour at Westminster, ADC select -- select
1:07:36 > 1:07:39committee will hear from figures within Paralympic sport as they
1:07:39 > 1:07:45examine the classification of sports within the Paralympic movement. A
1:07:45 > 1:07:49BBC investigation uncovered claims that some athletes manipulate the
1:07:49 > 1:07:52rules, exaggerate their impairments, to give them a better chance of
1:07:52 > 1:07:55winning. I don't subscribe to the view that
1:07:55 > 1:08:01there is a fundamental weakness within sport. I don't subscribe to
1:08:01 > 1:08:07the view that it is absolutely perfect either. I think actually it
1:08:07 > 1:08:10is a very sophisticated part of Paralympic sport that is getting
1:08:10 > 1:08:14better, that is getting more understood, and it fundamentally
1:08:14 > 1:08:18does work to support the athletes to compete and win fairly.Much more on
1:08:18 > 1:08:23that select committee looking into Paralympic sport on this programme
1:08:23 > 1:08:29with Victoria after half past ten. In the Premier League last night,
1:08:29 > 1:08:34Sean Dyche celebrated five years at Burnley in the best possible way. It
1:08:34 > 1:08:41was a win for his team. They are into seventh after beating Newcastle
1:08:41 > 1:08:481-0, Jeff Hendrick with the goal. Dyche has recently been linked with
1:08:48 > 1:08:52the vacant Everton job. England's cricketers have had their first
1:08:52 > 1:08:56practice session in Australia ahead of the Ashes. They are in Perth and
1:08:56 > 1:09:01they will face a waca 11 on Saturday. We have heard from James
1:09:01 > 1:09:06Vince, who is expected to bat at three. He was dropped last year. He
1:09:06 > 1:09:10says he was surprised to get a recall. He is determined to make the
1:09:10 > 1:09:16most of his second chance. I think if you go to the side and do
1:09:16 > 1:09:19well you get pompous up and it's all very rosy. On the flip side if you
1:09:19 > 1:09:22get pompous up and it's all very rosy. On the flip side if you're
1:09:22 > 1:09:25having a tough time, that is also publicised. It was hard to deal with
1:09:25 > 1:09:29at times. I felt I should be doing better than what I was. Thankful to
1:09:29 > 1:09:33have another opportunity now, especially in Australia against the
1:09:33 > 1:09:38Aussies in an Ashes series. Blue skies in Perth.
1:09:38 > 1:09:42Not jealous at all. Back with more later. Thank you. Good morning.
1:09:42 > 1:09:45On this programme tomorrow, we'll be joined by an audience of women -
1:09:45 > 1:09:48and some men - who've been sexually harassed in all walks of life,
1:09:48 > 1:09:51in the NHS, in schools, in banks.
1:09:51 > 1:09:54But it's harassment in the world of politics and acting
1:09:54 > 1:09:56which is dominating headlines.
1:09:56 > 1:09:58Conservative cabinet minister Michael Fallon -
1:09:58 > 1:10:01who's one of the most senior men in Theresa May's government -
1:10:01 > 1:10:04has admitted inappropriately touching a female journalist,
1:10:04 > 1:10:08by repeatedly putting his hand on her knee in 2002.
1:10:08 > 1:10:10She threatened to punch him unless he stopped.
1:10:10 > 1:10:17That allegation is thought to be the tip of the iceberg,
1:10:17 > 1:10:22Let's speak to Norman Smith, who's in Westminster.
1:10:22 > 1:10:27How serious is this for Michael Fallon? I suppose mitigating this is
1:10:27 > 1:10:31the fact it happened back in 2002. The reaction of the journalist
1:10:31 > 1:10:36involved, Julia Hartley-Brewer, she tweeted that she doesn't see herself
1:10:36 > 1:10:40as a victim, that she is still friends with Michael Fallon and she
1:10:40 > 1:10:45doesn't want this to be compared to some of the allegations of sexual
1:10:45 > 1:10:46harassment and intimidation that have been swirling around
1:10:46 > 1:10:53Westminster. In that sense it is the lesser end of the accusations. And
1:10:53 > 1:10:58her view, and I suspect the view of many people, will be the danger of
1:10:58 > 1:11:01conflating this incident, which was Michael Fallon repeatedly putting
1:11:01 > 1:11:05his hand on her knee at a dinner at the Conservative Party conference,
1:11:05 > 1:11:11isn't in the same league as, you know, situations where older male
1:11:11 > 1:11:17MPs are behaving in a predatory way towards younger female researchers.
1:11:17 > 1:11:20Clearly the dynamic is somewhat different. Add this morning I notice
1:11:20 > 1:11:24Julia Hartley-Brewer was taking a fairly light-hearted approach to
1:11:24 > 1:11:30add. She put up tweet. Full medical checkup this morning, and yes, both
1:11:30 > 1:11:37of my knees are still intact. Get a grip, people. Although, not of my
1:11:37 > 1:11:42knee, obviously. She is not taking it too seriously. I suspect a lot of
1:11:42 > 1:11:45people at Westminster will take the view there are serious problems to
1:11:45 > 1:11:49be addressed. There are issues around a grossly inadequate
1:11:49 > 1:11:53complaints system. There are issues around the vulnerability of junior
1:11:53 > 1:11:58members of staff and the culture at Westminster. And the danger is they
1:11:58 > 1:12:03get sort of conflated and confused and maybe even trivialised by much
1:12:03 > 1:12:08lesser incidents, perhaps like that involving Sir Michael Fallon.What
1:12:08 > 1:12:15else do you know about this dossier of MPs acting inappropriately?The
1:12:15 > 1:12:21dossier is reported to have 35 named MPs who are accused of a whole range
1:12:21 > 1:12:28of sexual misdemeanours. From inappropriate behaviour to
1:12:28 > 1:12:34intimidating attitude towards staff, to asking staff to do inappropriate
1:12:34 > 1:12:39duties. A whole range of things. I have to say, no names. I guess that
1:12:39 > 1:12:45is where we are at the moment. There is a whole swirl of allegations but
1:12:45 > 1:12:51there is a lack, at the moment, of hard evidence. And that kind of, I
1:12:51 > 1:12:54suspect, reflected truth here that many of the victims and probably
1:12:54 > 1:13:00most of them are junior Parliamentary aides, researchers,
1:13:00 > 1:13:03people on work placement, just do not feel in the position to go
1:13:03 > 1:13:10public and make those sort of accusations about MPs, much more
1:13:10 > 1:13:13senior figures. They probably feel intimidated and simply don't want to
1:13:13 > 1:13:17go there. That is why there is this view that there has to be a much
1:13:17 > 1:13:22more coherent, user-friendly complaints system. At the moment the
1:13:22 > 1:13:26only way you can really raise a complaint about an MP is to go to
1:13:26 > 1:13:31the MP, which of course is a complete no no for many people if
1:13:31 > 1:13:35they have been victims of harassment by that particular MP. One other
1:13:35 > 1:13:40thing worth saying is that although there is a lot of rhetoric about
1:13:40 > 1:13:46something must be done, the speaker yesterday kind of passed the ball
1:13:46 > 1:13:49back to the political parties to do something. He is not going to do it.
1:13:49 > 1:13:54He doesn't believe it is up to the political authorities. He believes
1:13:54 > 1:13:59it is down to the political parties. The danger is that politics gets
1:13:59 > 1:14:04wrapped up in this. I am reminded that when David Cameron tried to
1:14:04 > 1:14:08introduce a mandatory code of conduct in 2014 for Tory MPs, they
1:14:08 > 1:14:12basically told him to take a running jump, that it was none of his
1:14:12 > 1:14:17business or the party's business to try and set out how they should run
1:14:17 > 1:14:21relations between themselves and their staff. So getting the parties
1:14:21 > 1:14:25to do something and then to agree on it, may yet be quite a challenge.
1:14:25 > 1:14:29Thank you.
1:14:29 > 1:14:32The maximum stake for fixed-odds betting terminals could drop
1:14:32 > 1:14:34to as little as £2, under a government review.
1:14:34 > 1:14:36Currently, people can bet up to £100 every 20 seconds
1:14:36 > 1:14:38on the gaming machines, but proposals could limit that
1:14:38 > 1:14:44to between £2 and £50.
1:14:44 > 1:14:47Jim Reid has been speaking to gamblers, some of whom have lost
1:14:47 > 1:14:47thousands.
1:14:47 > 1:14:50I was in that hairdressers over the road and I don't
1:14:50 > 1:14:51know what happened.
1:14:51 > 1:14:54I came out of the hairdressers I thought, oh, go on,
1:14:54 > 1:14:56what's the harm, I'll go in and have a go.
1:14:56 > 1:14:57The addiction is always present.
1:14:57 > 1:15:01I fed in what I had in my wallet, which I think was about £90.
1:15:01 > 1:15:04Then I came out, took some money out of the cashpoint.
1:15:04 > 1:15:06At this point, I was totally devastated and just completely
1:15:06 > 1:15:07caught up in the gambling.
1:15:07 > 1:15:13In a red mist is probably the best way to describe it, or fog.
1:15:13 > 1:15:16And I just went to the counter and said, you know, 500.
1:15:16 > 1:15:18I lost that in the space of a few minutes.
1:15:18 > 1:15:201,000, I lost that.
1:15:20 > 1:15:231,000, lost that, and another 1,000 - until I had no more
1:15:23 > 1:15:27money in my bank account.
1:15:27 > 1:15:47I was in that hairdressers over the road and I don't
1:15:47 > 1:15:50I've got a flat set up and everything ready to go.
1:15:50 > 1:15:52But because of that relapse, and because my wife realised
1:15:52 > 1:15:54I was still very much in the gambling, the
1:15:54 > 1:16:01addiction was there...
1:16:01 > 1:16:05There are plans to tackle the way online betting sites are sold and
1:16:05 > 1:16:10advertised. Last week this programme revealed that 95% of TV advertising
1:16:10 > 1:16:13breaks during live, UK football matches feature at least one
1:16:13 > 1:16:17gambling advert. As revealed by our reporter Jim
1:16:17 > 1:16:23Reed. So what is the Government saying?They are saying they want to
1:16:23 > 1:16:26tighten the rules around advertising. We are talking about a
1:16:26 > 1:16:29crackdown in particular on betting adverts appearing in the social
1:16:29 > 1:16:32media feed of under-18s which is one thing there has been a big campaign
1:16:32 > 1:16:38about in the press and new rules on adverts which encourage impulsive
1:16:38 > 1:16:42gambling. If you watch a lot of live football a lot of the adverts, the
1:16:42 > 1:16:47message is bet now, go online, best odds now if you go online. It is
1:16:47 > 1:16:51adverts like that would fall foul of the new regulations.
1:16:51 > 1:16:56Some people would like things to go further, I think, wouldn't they?You
1:16:56 > 1:16:59have got this situation with advertising and gambling where it is
1:16:59 > 1:17:04banned or the rules ban if before the 9pm watershed shed and ed is an
1:17:04 > 1:17:07exception and that loophole is for any live sport and that's one reason
1:17:07 > 1:17:13you see the big increase if gambling adverts in live football matches.
1:17:13 > 1:17:17You were talking earlier and we did research last week showing in some
1:17:17 > 1:17:21games one in three of the adverts, shown before the watershed, are for
1:17:21 > 1:17:29gambling companies. Some people think they need to be completely
1:17:29 > 1:17:33banned in live sport. At one time we thought that's the way the
1:17:33 > 1:17:37Government in this country was going to head. They haven't gone that way.
1:17:37 > 1:17:44There will be a new pot of money, we think between £5 million and £7
1:17:44 > 1:17:48million for an advertising campaign for responsible gambling and those
1:17:48 > 1:17:51adverts will be shown in live football matches.What response to
1:17:51 > 1:17:59that?Labour say it doesn't go far enough. Tom Watson speaking about
1:17:59 > 1:18:03and add ask about adverts. Labour say more research is needed to show
1:18:03 > 1:18:07that they lead to more problem gambling. They would take extra
1:18:07 > 1:18:10measures including banning betting firms advertising on football shirts
1:18:10 > 1:18:13for example. Thank you, Jim.
1:18:13 > 1:18:20Some more comments from you. This texter says, "I am a compulsive
1:18:20 > 1:18:26gambler, the sooner they cap the terminals to £2 a stake. . People's
1:18:26 > 1:18:30lives are being destroyed by these machines." This e-mail from
1:18:30 > 1:18:33Lorraine, "My brother would steal whatever he could from our family to
1:18:33 > 1:18:38fund his gambling. This has gone on for years. He won big, but he lost a
1:18:38 > 1:18:47lot bigger." . I have known for a long time that my sister has been
1:18:47 > 1:18:51stealing from my mum and dad's bank accounts, she plays bingo and bets
1:18:51 > 1:18:57on the horses." Mick says, "The betting shops have become high stake
1:18:57 > 1:19:01amusement arcades. These machines should never about been allowed in
1:19:01 > 1:19:07the bookmakers in the first place. The FOBTs should be taken out."
1:19:07 > 1:19:13Let's speak to Terry White, whose gambling problems
1:19:13 > 1:19:14have cost him £500,000.
1:19:14 > 1:19:19In the studio I am joined by Conservative MP Sir Peter Bottomley,
1:19:19 > 1:19:25who is secretary for a cross-party group on fixed-odds betting.
1:19:25 > 1:19:28Terry White, tell bus your own problems.Well, I have been a
1:19:28 > 1:19:35gambler since the age of about 15 even and usually bet on sport, horse
1:19:35 > 1:19:39racing and mainly football and it was relatively under control and I
1:19:39 > 1:19:43was actually quite successful of it and made a few hundred thousand, but
1:19:43 > 1:19:46sadly when the machines were introduced into the betting shops
1:19:46 > 1:19:52about 15 years ago, I went from sort of £5 and £10 stakes betting in
1:19:52 > 1:19:56hundreds and then in thousands and then sadly in tens of thousands to
1:19:56 > 1:20:01the extent that I have lost my home, and I am about to be made bankrupt
1:20:01 > 1:20:05and I am addicted to them and I believe that the betting operators
1:20:05 > 1:20:08have not helped me enough and certainly they have not recognise
1:20:08 > 1:20:12that had for quite a few people we have serious issues with them and
1:20:12 > 1:20:15there needs to be tighter regulation.If the stake had been
1:20:15 > 1:20:19£2, do you think your life would have been very different?Oh very
1:20:19 > 1:20:23much so, Victoria. It would have simply have been not just a few
1:20:23 > 1:20:27thousand, which obviously is a lot of money to many people, but it
1:20:27 > 1:20:35wouldn't have created the buzz and high stakes adrenalin that you get
1:20:35 > 1:20:40when there is hundreds of pounds thousands of pounds at stake. You
1:20:40 > 1:20:46are stealing and begging and doing all sorts of things to feed at the
1:20:46 > 1:20:49addiction, the betting staff can't help, they are under pressure to
1:20:49 > 1:20:53come and make customers aware that they are spending perhaps over what
1:20:53 > 1:20:57they should, but realistically, you know, they are employees of of a
1:20:57 > 1:21:00betting organisation and their first responsibility is to their
1:21:00 > 1:21:04employers, I guess.Sir Peter Bottomley, the proposals which will
1:21:04 > 1:21:10be consulted on over the next three months suggest a stake could be £2,
1:21:10 > 1:21:17but it could be £50. What would you go for?£2. We ought to have Terry's
1:21:17 > 1:21:22law. People like he could have fun. They could risk a bit, lose a bit
1:21:22 > 1:21:26and gain a bit, but mainly lose and he would be able to live his life
1:21:26 > 1:21:29without disturbance. If these so-called betting shops would close,
1:21:29 > 1:21:35if the machines weren't there at £100, or £50, they are not betting
1:21:35 > 1:21:41shops, they are machine shops and the ways of stripping money out of
1:21:41 > 1:21:46people, nearly £500 million goes to the government.You have no sympathy
1:21:46 > 1:21:49that thousands of jobs will be lost. The betting industry are beginning
1:21:49 > 1:21:54to tar themselves with a bad sort of colour. If there were no horses in
1:21:54 > 1:21:59this country, they could go on running machines. We have a lot of
1:21:59 > 1:22:03employment in our horse industry, breeding, and running and race
1:22:03 > 1:22:09courses. They say they would prefer to get rid of that and just have the
1:22:09 > 1:22:12machines, there is just one person sitting in a so-called shop with
1:22:12 > 1:22:18four machines there. They declared their own stake, their stake is to
1:22:18 > 1:22:24rapid off people like Terry. If Terry was spending say £10,000 a
1:22:24 > 1:22:31year on gambling, instead of that if he put £9,000 into extending his
1:22:31 > 1:22:36house and buying new furniture, the employment factor is higher than one
1:22:36 > 1:22:42person, not supervising gamblers losing money in four machines.The
1:22:42 > 1:22:49all-party Parliamentary group on fixed odds betting terminals, has it
1:22:49 > 1:22:52weakened its case by accepting donations from companies that
1:22:52 > 1:22:56operate rival products to bookies such as donation from DJ
1:22:56 > 1:23:04Wetherspoon.The simple answer is no.How is that possible?When I was
1:23:04 > 1:23:09young I spent my time working at a fun fair. I met a man called Pat
1:23:09 > 1:23:14O'Neill. He has died, but his family go on running it. Come down to
1:23:14 > 1:23:18Worthing and look atten ect Leisure and look the fun people are having.
1:23:18 > 1:23:23Why are you taking donation from JD Wetherspoon's.How do you run an
1:23:23 > 1:23:30organisation against the bookmakers. Take Gala Bingo. See people having,
1:23:30 > 1:23:35society, in community, being able to buy food cheaply, stake small ams of
1:23:35 > 1:23:39money on their bingo, some small machines, nothing like the pour your
1:23:39 > 1:23:47money down this slot for the FOBTs, and they are not defending it, they
1:23:47 > 1:23:50are ripping people off, nobody intended in Parliament they should
1:23:50 > 1:23:54lose money at the rate Terry did and bring in Terry's law.Thank you very
1:23:54 > 1:23:59much. Thank you. Conservative MP Sir Peter Bottomley and Terry White,
1:23:59 > 1:24:02thank you for coming on the programme. Thank you.
1:24:07 > 1:24:09It was another eventful day for President Trump yesterday.
1:24:09 > 1:24:11His former campaign manager faces serious charges of money laundering
1:24:11 > 1:24:14and his former foreign policy adviser admitted that he'd lied
1:24:14 > 1:24:18to the FBI over his Russian connections.
1:24:18 > 1:24:21This is a big deal because for months, the White House has denied
1:24:21 > 1:24:23any collusion with Russia during the election campaign.
1:24:23 > 1:24:27Now this man, George Papadopoulos, seen here fourth from the left
1:24:27 > 1:24:30of Donald Trump, has admitted he falsely claimed he met with two
1:24:30 > 1:24:33Russian go-betweens before joining the Trump campaign in March 2016.
1:24:33 > 1:24:43In fact, he met them after joining the campaign.
1:24:46 > 1:24:50We can talk now to Dr Sebastian Gorka.
1:24:50 > 1:24:52He, was until recently, one of Donald Trunp's
1:24:52 > 1:24:54most senior advisers.
1:24:54 > 1:25:01At one stage he was dubbed the most powerful Brit in the White House
1:25:01 > 1:25:01A
1:25:01 > 1:25:08until he was sacked a few months ago from his role.
1:25:08 > 1:25:10We can also hear from Nancy Soderburgh,
1:25:10 > 1:25:13a former White House National Security Advisor to Bill Clinton
1:25:13 > 1:25:16who is now running for Congress in Florida for the Democrats.
1:25:16 > 1:25:20Dr Gorka isn't time that Donald Trump came about his links and his
1:25:20 > 1:25:24office's links to Russia?He doesn't have any.So there is nothing to
1:25:24 > 1:25:34come clean about.There is nothing to find. Yesterday's unveiling of
1:25:34 > 1:25:41why a fraud charges dating back 11 years and Manafort's connections to
1:25:41 > 1:25:45the Ukraine just have nothing to do with Russia and have nothing to do
1:25:45 > 1:25:50with collusion and the fact that you called a 29-year-old peripheral
1:25:50 > 1:25:53individual his foreign policy adviser is a great example of fake
1:25:53 > 1:25:58news. That individual was part of the committee that met once and he
1:25:58 > 1:26:03in no way, shape or form was the foreign policy adviser to Donald
1:26:03 > 1:26:08Trump. It's desperation. It is the left clutching at straws. There is
1:26:08 > 1:26:13no collusion. There is no conspiracy and they will find No none if you
1:26:13 > 1:26:17want to prosecute why a fraud and not paying your taxes and that's
1:26:17 > 1:26:28fine, but it has nothing to do do with collusion. If you look Hillary
1:26:28 > 1:26:33Clinton the $140 million paid into her bang at her foundation and the
1:26:33 > 1:26:36dodgy dossier which her lawyers spent $12 million on.Do you think
1:26:36 > 1:26:40it will be enough to simply continue to say there was no collusion? That
1:26:40 > 1:26:46will be enough?Yes. Absolutely. Zero. None.Can you think of why
1:26:46 > 1:26:50this man would lie about meetings with the two Russian go-between?You
1:26:50 > 1:26:53would have to ask him. This is clearly a person who oversold
1:26:53 > 1:26:57himself. If you look at the indictment sheet for the individual
1:26:57 > 1:27:02that you are talking about, there is a very interesting footnote on it.
1:27:02 > 1:27:06It is page eight where they quote an e-mail where they say, "We will not
1:27:06 > 1:27:10talk anymore to this person because clearly he is misrepresenting
1:27:10 > 1:27:15himself." Even the campaign thought this guy was something doing
1:27:15 > 1:27:21something that was untoward and they rejected his advances.There is some
1:27:21 > 1:27:24speculation that George Papadopoulos became an informant for the FBI and
1:27:24 > 1:27:27was wearing a wire in order to gather information on potential
1:27:27 > 1:27:32suspects. Would than worrying to Donald Trump?No, not at all because
1:27:32 > 1:27:35they are never going to find anything because there is nothing
1:27:35 > 1:27:42there. The bottom line is look at what he was charged with. He wasn't
1:27:42 > 1:27:44charged with anything criminal relating to the election or Russia
1:27:44 > 1:27:49or anything else, he was charged with lying to federal agents in an
1:27:49 > 1:27:55interview. That tells you there is smoke, but no fire.Does it bother
1:27:55 > 1:27:58President Trump that there were people around him who have since
1:27:58 > 1:28:02lied to official investigators?I don't think so. I don't think. The
1:28:02 > 1:28:06president isn't responsible for everybody's actions around him.
1:28:06 > 1:28:10Essentially peripheral figures who met in a committee once. He has got
1:28:10 > 1:28:13important things to do and they don't include George Papadopoulos.I
1:28:13 > 1:28:18want to ask you about another big issue in the UK and in the United
1:28:18 > 1:28:21States, headlines dominated by sexual harassment claims in
1:28:21 > 1:28:26Hollywood and in politics. The president has faced allegations of
1:28:26 > 1:28:30sexual harassment how weiried will he be at the moment?Zero worried.
1:28:30 > 1:28:36Because...Because there is nothing there again. It's just desperation.
1:28:36 > 1:28:41The left knows this is the most successful president in the first
1:28:41 > 1:28:44nine months in modern history. You look at the economy. One million
1:28:44 > 1:28:49jobs created. You look at the 47 stock market record break since 20th
1:28:49 > 1:28:57January. You look at 78% decease in illegal migration. Nato revitalised
1:28:57 > 1:29:02at 2% of GDP spending, Isis kicked out of Mosul, Isis kicked out of
1:29:02 > 1:29:07Raqqa. This is just the left, they can't get over that 8th November's
1:29:07 > 1:29:10victory of the rank outside of Donald J Trump so they keep doing
1:29:10 > 1:29:15this fake news, but it's irrelevant. It is not fake that Donald Trump
1:29:15 > 1:29:20talked about grabbing a woman by the vagina.Yeah, guys talk about a lot
1:29:20 > 1:29:27of things in private, so what? It's not trying to have sex with a
1:29:27 > 1:29:3214-year-old old boy like Kevin Spacey.So that's acceptable?What,
1:29:32 > 1:29:36locker room talk? Do you know men who talk crudely privately or don't
1:29:36 > 1:29:41you? I mean it is irrelevant. As it
1:29:41 > 1:29:45happens I don't know that anyone would use that kind of language.You
1:29:45 > 1:29:49must live in a very rarified atmosphere. You never met anybody
1:29:49 > 1:29:53who plays rugby or soccer and uses blue language privately then you
1:29:53 > 1:29:58really must be a member of the closeted elite.Have you ever had
1:29:58 > 1:30:01conversations with him about those claims from the women who said he
1:30:01 > 1:30:06sexually harassed them?No, as a strategist to the president of the
1:30:06 > 1:30:10United States, funnily enough I haven't.
1:30:10 > 1:30:14Let me bring in Nancy. The significance of the arrest first of
1:30:14 > 1:30:20all in your view?Well, good morning. I think this is not a good
1:30:20 > 1:30:29day for Donald Trump. This is an indictment of his campaign chairman
1:30:29 > 1:30:34and the arrest of two other people involved at various levels of the
1:30:34 > 1:30:38campaign and it is very clear that the junior guy, George Papadopoulos,
1:30:38 > 1:30:42has been wearing a wire, I think, very clearly. I think this is just
1:30:42 > 1:30:49the first of more facts to come out, but I think Sebastian is right in
1:30:49 > 1:30:52that this doesn't lead yet to the president. We don't know whether it
1:30:52 > 1:30:57will lead to the president. This is clearly some e-mails coming out
1:30:57 > 1:31:00about being approached by the Russians, being willing to take dirt
1:31:00 > 1:31:06on Hillary Clinton in the campaign. That's been known. What wasn't known
1:31:06 > 1:31:10is there was this young guy, until yesterday, I don't think anyone had
1:31:10 > 1:31:15heard of, had been approached as sort of the point person at a junior
1:31:15 > 1:31:22level to reach out to the Russians and he sought repeated meetings with
1:31:22 > 1:31:27the Russians and they all lied about it. Paul man that ford came out a
1:31:27 > 1:31:31year-and-a-half that he had taken shush money from theure gainian
1:31:31 > 1:31:35government and I thought at the time he hadn't paid taxes on that, so
1:31:35 > 1:31:40that would be a drip, drip, drip which Sebastian is right, doesn't
1:31:40 > 1:31:45affect Donald Trump. But what may affect Donald Trump and it is
1:31:45 > 1:31:50important to let this independent, led by Muller who is not a partisan
1:31:50 > 1:31:54continue the investigation because we don't know what went on during
1:31:54 > 1:31:57the elections. I'm not one who questions the outcome of the
1:31:57 > 1:32:00elections and I have moved on from that and trying to go back and dig
1:32:00 > 1:32:05up more dirt on Hillary Clinton is simply a distraction. What we need
1:32:05 > 1:32:08to know is what did the president know and when did he know it? It
1:32:08 > 1:32:13maybe nothing.
1:32:13 > 1:32:18There are some characters around the president, Mike Flynn, who lied
1:32:18 > 1:32:22about his meetings with the Russians.We don't know his legal
1:32:22 > 1:32:31studies. There are meetings Donald Trump's son had. What has come Eigg
1:32:31 > 1:32:38with these indictments, this is the beginning, not the end. We don't
1:32:38 > 1:32:42know what the president is going to do. He has the right to pardon these
1:32:42 > 1:32:46individuals. He has already done it on a popular sheriff who was tough
1:32:46 > 1:32:54on immigration. It will be a rallying cry for the president. We
1:32:54 > 1:33:01will see. The plot thickens today. Thank you very much.
1:33:01 > 1:33:06Still to come macro, we will hear claims that UK athletics have
1:33:06 > 1:33:09manipulated the Paralympic classification system to win medals.
1:33:09 > 1:33:13A parliamentary hearing is about to get under way. And survivors of
1:33:13 > 1:33:21domestic abuse talus Mike Baird trying to get suitable
1:33:21 > 1:33:24accommodation. -- tell us. Now the latest news.
1:33:24 > 1:33:26Good morning.
1:33:26 > 1:33:28The government has proposed reducing the amount of money that can be
1:33:28 > 1:33:30staked on fixed-odds betting terminals, to protect players
1:33:30 > 1:33:40from racking up huge losses.
1:33:42 > 1:33:46Measures will undergo a short consultation period. Critics call
1:33:46 > 1:33:49the machines the crack cocaine of gambling.
1:33:49 > 1:33:51The White House has dismissed the arrest of some
1:33:51 > 1:33:53of President Trump's former advisers as "nothing to do
1:33:53 > 1:33:54with the president".
1:33:54 > 1:33:56George Papadopoulos has admitted lying to the FBI
1:33:56 > 1:33:59about his contacts with Russia, and now appears to have been helping
1:33:59 > 1:34:01the investigation into alleged links between the Trump
1:34:01 > 1:34:02campaign and Moscow.
1:34:02 > 1:34:08Two other Trump aides have been placed under house arrest.
1:34:08 > 1:34:12Facebook says 126 million Americans may have come into contact
1:34:12 > 1:34:16with Russian-backed propaganda before and after last year's
1:34:16 > 1:34:17presidential election.
1:34:17 > 1:34:19Twitter and Google also say they were used to share divisive
1:34:19 > 1:34:22posts traced to Russia.
1:34:22 > 1:34:24The social media giants had initially dismissed complaints
1:34:24 > 1:34:28about fake news as crazy.
1:34:28 > 1:34:32The Bank of England says failure to secure a trade deal with the EU
1:34:32 > 1:34:35before Brexit could see the loss of 75,000 jobs from the UK's
1:34:35 > 1:34:37financial services sector.
1:34:37 > 1:34:39It's told financial firms to be prepared for "no deal",
1:34:39 > 1:34:42but senior figures at the Bank are said to be optimistic that
1:34:42 > 1:34:47negotiations will be successful.
1:34:47 > 1:34:50Women fleeing domestic abuse have told this programme they're
1:34:50 > 1:34:53being left homeless because councils are failing to provide them with
1:34:53 > 1:34:54suitable temporary accommodation.
1:34:54 > 1:34:58It means in some cases women are having to move time and time
1:34:58 > 1:35:03again when councils can't find appropriate homes.
1:35:03 > 1:35:05The Defence Secretary, Sir Michael Fallon, has
1:35:05 > 1:35:07confirmed he was once rebuked by a political journalist
1:35:07 > 1:35:10for putting his hand on her knee during dinner.
1:35:10 > 1:35:13The radio presenter, Julia Hartley-Brewer, said she had
1:35:13 > 1:35:17not been "remotely upset or distressed" by the incident,
1:35:17 > 1:35:19which happened 15 years ago.
1:35:19 > 1:35:21Ms Hartley-Brewer said that it was absurd to treat
1:35:21 > 1:35:23misjudged sexual overtures or flirting as being morally
1:35:23 > 1:35:28equivalent to serious sexual harassment or assault.
1:35:28 > 1:35:33That is a summary of the latest BBC News.
1:35:33 > 1:35:40An e-mail from Chris, a very worried mother. On fixed odds betting
1:35:40 > 1:35:43terminals, she says her son has a terrible addiction and it is ruining
1:35:43 > 1:35:49their lives. He has banned himself from all his local betting shops but
1:35:49 > 1:35:52that doesn't work. They allow him back in. If you want
1:35:52 > 1:36:01to get in touch, you can do so. Now the sport. Hello. Sir Mo Farah
1:36:01 > 1:36:06has left his American coach, Alberto Salazar. He is returning to the UK
1:36:06 > 1:36:11with Gary Locke said to oversee his marathon career. Salles -- Salazar
1:36:11 > 1:36:16is the subject of the UK and did open investigation. Sean Dyche mark
1:36:16 > 1:36:21five years as manager of Burnley with a victory over Newcastle last
1:36:21 > 1:36:26night. Jeff Hendrick with the only goal. They are into seventh in the
1:36:26 > 1:36:29Premier League. Manchester United Tigger 100% record into their
1:36:29 > 1:36:33Champions League group game against Benfica. Victory could take United
1:36:33 > 1:36:38into the knockout stages. Chelsea and Celtic also play tonight. And
1:36:38 > 1:36:41Ronnie O'Sullivan has been knocked out of the International open in
1:36:41 > 1:36:47China by 17-year-old. Sullivan says the only men to have played that
1:36:47 > 1:36:51well against him are John Higgins and Stephen Hendry. That is all your
1:36:51 > 1:36:53support of this morning. I am back with more after 11.
1:36:53 > 1:36:58Thank you. Let's talk about Paralympics.
1:36:58 > 1:37:00Some of Britain's most successful Paralympic athletes are facing
1:37:00 > 1:37:02suggestions they won their gold medals unfairly at parliamentary
1:37:02 > 1:37:05hearing, which is under way right now, on whether
1:37:05 > 1:37:09the classification system is fit for purpose.
1:37:09 > 1:37:10We'll bring you some of it live.
1:37:10 > 1:37:13First, here's a guide as how the classification system
1:37:13 > 1:37:22actually works.
1:37:28 > 1:37:32I beg your pardon.
1:37:32 > 1:37:34Earlier we spoke to two Paralympic athletes -
1:37:34 > 1:37:36James Freeman, who has cerebal palsy and thinks he's raced against
1:37:36 > 1:37:37wrongly categorised athletes.
1:37:37 > 1:37:39And Richard Whitehead, four-times world champion,
1:37:39 > 1:37:42two-time Parlympian gold medal winner for the 200 metres.
1:37:42 > 1:37:45James, I'm going to start with you, the accusation is that athletes
1:37:45 > 1:37:49are pretending to be more disabled than they are in order to win more.
1:37:49 > 1:37:50Have you come across this?
1:37:50 > 1:37:52Yes.
1:37:52 > 1:37:57I've come across this a number of times.
1:37:57 > 1:38:01It is purely down to the range of motion.
1:38:01 > 1:38:04So you'll instantly be able to tell if someone is less disabled
1:38:04 > 1:38:07than they already are.
1:38:07 > 1:38:11You can tell by the way they sit, the posture, in terms of racing,
1:38:11 > 1:38:15it's all about core function.
1:38:15 > 1:38:21The motor skills, if you will.
1:38:21 > 1:38:22The more range of movement they have.
1:38:22 > 1:38:23OK.
1:38:23 > 1:38:28So in its most basic term, for example, you wouldn't be able
1:38:28 > 1:38:30to get out of your wheelchair?
1:38:30 > 1:38:31No.
1:38:31 > 1:38:34But are you saying there are some athletes in the same
1:38:34 > 1:38:35category as you who can?
1:38:35 > 1:38:36Yes.
1:38:36 > 1:38:37And who lie about that?
1:38:37 > 1:38:40Yes.
1:38:40 > 1:38:43Or maybe not necessarily...
1:38:43 > 1:38:45maybe necessarily they have a lack of education when it comes
1:38:45 > 1:38:49to the whole classification system, I don't know.
1:38:49 > 1:38:52So of course, we can't blame these people, they may not
1:38:52 > 1:38:53know that's the case.
1:38:53 > 1:38:56But you think some do know and are doing it deliberately?
1:38:56 > 1:38:57Yes.
1:38:57 > 1:38:59And what impact does not have on somebody
1:38:59 > 1:39:00like you who wants to compete?
1:39:00 > 1:39:04Well, I feel that like it happens...
1:39:04 > 1:39:07that I've been training for seven years and when you have someone
1:39:07 > 1:39:10who is physically better than you and who is a lot physically
1:39:10 > 1:39:14stronger than you and has more core strength and is all-round
1:39:14 > 1:39:20going to be better than you just on the ability alone it has a huge
1:39:20 > 1:39:26downer on your enthusiasm to go and train, to race.
1:39:26 > 1:39:29I've seen people come into the sport and leave just
1:39:29 > 1:39:31because they thought, there's no point, there's no point
1:39:31 > 1:39:37in competing because you have people that are physically better
1:39:37 > 1:39:43and are going to be physically better and I don't know,
1:39:43 > 1:39:45I had to have a really serious conversation with my coach
1:39:45 > 1:39:50and family about whether it was going to be just a hobby for me
1:39:50 > 1:39:54and nothing else because it was so hard to be in that environment
1:39:54 > 1:40:00and know that these people were better than you and you
1:40:00 > 1:40:02couldn't do anything about it.
1:40:02 > 1:40:06Richard, how do you react to what James has just told us?
1:40:06 > 1:40:09Good morning, Victoria.
1:40:09 > 1:40:16I totally disagree with the comment before.
1:40:16 > 1:40:21I'm an athlete that's on the ground, I've been involved in the movement,
1:40:21 > 1:40:26the Paralympic movement all my life, really, but on the track since 2010.
1:40:26 > 1:40:34And for me, it's governed...
1:40:34 > 1:40:38BREAK IN SOUND
1:40:38 > 1:40:42And this morning, around widespread cheating,
1:40:42 > 1:40:45I've not seen that...
1:40:45 > 1:40:47You've never seen a fellow competitor pretending to be
1:40:47 > 1:40:51less disabled in order to gain an advantage?
1:40:51 > 1:40:53Why would you do that?
1:40:53 > 1:40:59In order to gain a competitive advantage?
1:40:59 > 1:41:01Obviously not impossible that people want to cheat.
1:41:01 > 1:41:06It's possible.
1:41:06 > 1:41:08Then there's governance in place to stop that,
1:41:08 > 1:41:09these are professional people, professional doctors,
1:41:09 > 1:41:16professional classifiers that are independent of British athletics
1:41:16 > 1:41:19and they sit the athletes down, they classify the athletes and put
1:41:19 > 1:41:26them into a category for which they will compete.
1:41:26 > 1:41:30There is a range of impairments in the classification so there's
1:41:30 > 1:41:32athletes at the top, the middle and the bottom of that
1:41:32 > 1:41:36class because we all can't be the same, in my class we all can't
1:41:36 > 1:41:42be the same and it's about on the day, the best athlete
1:41:42 > 1:41:46winning, the athlete that trains the hardest, the athlete that wants
1:41:46 > 1:41:50it the most and some of these accusations actually do astound me.
1:41:50 > 1:41:55I say, I am a double Paralympic gold medallist,
1:41:55 > 1:41:59four times world champion, I've been team captain twice
1:41:59 > 1:42:02and I want to be part of a team that has core values that reflect
1:42:02 > 1:42:09who we are as a team and the athletes, I'm sure,
1:42:09 > 1:42:14want the same as me.
1:42:14 > 1:42:16So we want to have clarity around this and clarity around
1:42:16 > 1:42:22the governance of the sport so the IPC have questions to answer.
1:42:22 > 1:42:24James, do you not trust the governance of the sport,
1:42:24 > 1:42:28do you not trust the officials Richard just listed who look
1:42:28 > 1:42:30at the medical information, who talk to the particular athlete
1:42:30 > 1:42:36concerned and their trainers, physios and so on?
1:42:36 > 1:42:41It's not that I don't trust them, I think more needs to go into it.
1:42:41 > 1:42:44I think we need more than just one classifier to look at you.
1:42:44 > 1:42:46I completely agree with Richard.
1:42:46 > 1:42:49It's all about who trains the hardest and the category system
1:42:49 > 1:42:55is in place and I agree with that.
1:42:55 > 1:42:59Mine is a little harder to distinguish.
1:42:59 > 1:43:05I am a T33, and the next category is T34.
1:43:05 > 1:43:07Both CP which is what I have...
1:43:07 > 1:43:08Cerebral palsy.
1:43:08 > 1:43:11Cerebral palsy, yes.
1:43:11 > 1:43:13And one of them is more severe, one of them less severe.
1:43:13 > 1:43:17T33, what I am, I cannot get out of my chair, cannot walk at all.
1:43:17 > 1:43:24T34, they are able to walk or have some range of walking ability
1:43:24 > 1:43:30so there's a little bit of a fine line of which I can understand
1:43:30 > 1:43:34is why people get classified wrong because it is a little bit of a fine
1:43:34 > 1:43:37line with that, but I agree with Richard that it is down
1:43:37 > 1:43:40to who trains the hardest and there are some cases of,
1:43:40 > 1:43:47you know, some people, you might say, again,
1:43:47 > 1:43:50I'm not trying to complain, I think the values that
1:43:50 > 1:43:56the Paralympics are and they...
1:43:56 > 1:43:59My argument is if you are going to beat me I don't
1:43:59 > 1:44:01mind you beating me, but I'd like to be
1:44:01 > 1:44:02on a level playing field.
1:44:02 > 1:44:06Richard, I want to put you a couple of things that a BBC File on Four
1:44:06 > 1:44:09investigation uncovered and that was for example
1:44:09 > 1:44:14claims of tactics such as the taping of arms,
1:44:14 > 1:44:20taking cold showers to enhance muscle strength and in one case,
1:44:20 > 1:44:26surgery to shorten the limb in order to cheat the system.
1:44:26 > 1:44:28Obviously that's...
1:44:28 > 1:44:32I've not seen, especially the last one.
1:44:32 > 1:44:38These are like I say allegations that have been brought,
1:44:38 > 1:44:41I've not seen that, what I see is people with impairments
1:44:41 > 1:44:48and disabilities competing, like you say, on a level playing
1:44:48 > 1:44:50field and trying to empower and inspire a generation
1:44:50 > 1:44:57around disability sport.
1:44:57 > 1:45:00But for me, the Paralympics, especially since 2012 has moved
1:45:00 > 1:45:04forwards in 99% of the areas that it wanted to understand,
1:45:04 > 1:45:09areas that need to improve.
1:45:09 > 1:45:12Classification is something that does evolve all the time
1:45:12 > 1:45:15but like I say, the governance of the sport, the IPC is in charge,
1:45:15 > 1:45:22in control of that environment and in charge of the classification.
1:45:22 > 1:45:25And they have to be held to account for any of those athletes that
1:45:25 > 1:45:29are in wrong classes or maybe in wrong classes or other athletes
1:45:29 > 1:45:32feel aren't and that's not for an individual athlete or parents
1:45:32 > 1:45:41to throw accusations around regarding that.
1:45:41 > 1:45:43I think obviously this has been highlighted
1:45:43 > 1:45:50by a parent and an athlete that actually retired.
1:45:50 > 1:45:54For me, there may be some issues around that
1:45:54 > 1:45:59and it's not in the interest of the sport moving forward.
1:45:59 > 1:46:07To take those allegations seriously.
1:46:07 > 1:46:14I think the IPC are an organisation that everybody has maybe mall issues
1:46:14 > 1:46:18with because that's the governance of the sport.
1:46:18 > 1:46:28I personally feel that it's going in the right way
1:46:28 > 1:46:31but we still obviously, there are areas need to improve.
1:46:31 > 1:46:33There are going to be new classifications, it is evolving,
1:46:33 > 1:46:36is that fine with you or do you worry about that?
1:46:36 > 1:46:40No, I put a statement on my Twitter handle regarding my feelings
1:46:40 > 1:46:45on the new classification, classes for the forthcoming season,
1:46:45 > 1:46:542018 all the way up to Tokyo and the classification system
1:46:54 > 1:46:59is getting to a stage where they're trying to put
1:46:59 > 1:47:06like-for-like athletes on the track so for myself, who is a double leg
1:47:06 > 1:47:10amputee and I was in the T42 class, they are wanting me to race T42
1:47:10 > 1:47:12athletes with exactly the same impairment and through my class
1:47:12 > 1:47:16I race against single leg, above the knee amputees,
1:47:16 > 1:47:19I am a double leg above the knee amputee and I also race athletes
1:47:19 > 1:47:24with all four limbs and it's about functional ability too.
1:47:24 > 1:47:30For me, it's about being the best athlete and having lots of athletes
1:47:30 > 1:47:36to race against and the first person across the line being the athlete
1:47:36 > 1:47:39that's trained the hardest and worked the hardest for that medal.
1:47:39 > 1:47:41But it's not all about those gold medals as well.
1:47:41 > 1:47:44So I have big issues around the new classification system,
1:47:44 > 1:47:54around that we will have less athletes, less interest
1:47:54 > 1:47:56in the sport and it needs to be looked at but again,
1:47:56 > 1:47:59that's for the IPC, the likes of myself,
1:47:59 > 1:48:02a high-level world professional athlete to take it up with the IPC
1:48:02 > 1:48:05and challenge those decisions.
1:48:05 > 1:48:08Richard and James.
1:48:08 > 1:48:11Women fleeing domestic abuse have told this programme they're
1:48:11 > 1:48:12being left homeless, because councils are failing
1:48:12 > 1:48:14to provide them with suitable temporary accommodation.
1:48:14 > 1:48:17It means in some cases women are having to move time and time
1:48:17 > 1:48:19again when councils can't find appropriate homes.
1:48:19 > 1:48:22Lucy Martindale escaped domestic violence four years ago.
1:48:22 > 1:48:26She moved seven times before finding a home.
1:48:26 > 1:48:29She has been to meet other women in her situation for this programme.
1:48:29 > 1:48:30We bought you her full report earlier,
1:48:30 > 1:48:34here's a short extract.
1:48:34 > 1:48:39I reported domestic violence as I was in fear for my life.
1:48:39 > 1:48:42I lived in a two bedroomed flat with a secure tenancy.
1:48:42 > 1:48:46The council moved me out of Lambeth to be away from my abuser.
1:48:46 > 1:48:55So now I'm here - my seventh home in less than four years.
1:48:55 > 1:48:58My experience has been traumatic so it made me want to find out
1:48:58 > 1:49:00what's happened to other women in my position.
1:49:00 > 1:49:01How are you?
1:49:01 > 1:49:04Fine, thank you. Come in.
1:49:04 > 1:49:06Kay fled a violent relationship at the end of last year.
1:49:06 > 1:49:08He woke up this morning.
1:49:08 > 1:49:11It was the first time in their bed and he just said, "Mum,
1:49:11 > 1:49:12it was just so comfortable".
1:49:12 > 1:49:15When I went to meet her, she had just moved in to temporary
1:49:15 > 1:49:18accommodation with her two children.
1:49:18 > 1:49:28So, how did you arrange your housing on a day-to-day basis?
1:49:28 > 1:49:31It was very difficult indeed emotionally because you're basically
1:49:31 > 1:49:34begging and every day not knowing where you're going to be sleeping.
1:49:34 > 1:49:38At the same time, trying to put on a happy face and to be
1:49:38 > 1:49:40supportive for the children, telling them that it's going to be
1:49:40 > 1:49:42all right when deep inside, you really don't think it's
1:49:42 > 1:49:45going to be.
1:49:45 > 1:49:48You don't know what you're going to be doing, where you're
1:49:48 > 1:49:51going to be staying.
1:49:53 > 1:49:57Sheryl fled her home in Croydon in January this year
1:49:57 > 1:50:03and was immediately placed in a refuge.
1:50:03 > 1:50:05She has been evicted today because after eight
1:50:05 > 1:50:08months her time is up.
1:50:08 > 1:50:11How did it make you feel having to be evicted from the refuge?
1:50:11 > 1:50:19Worried because I didn't know where I was going that night.
1:50:19 > 1:50:22I mean they give you four weeks notice and you expect to leave
1:50:22 > 1:50:24at the end of four weeks knowing where you're going.
1:50:24 > 1:50:27I think there should be more places for women with domestic violence
1:50:27 > 1:50:30to go to because the amount of numbers they give
1:50:30 > 1:50:36you and all the phone calls you make, let's be honest,
1:50:36 > 1:50:40half of them don't even do anything for you.
1:50:40 > 1:50:46They are already people who are feeling traumatised.
1:50:46 > 1:50:50To move then from home to home, to move from school to school,
1:50:50 > 1:50:51to move from temporary accommodation to temporary accommodation
1:50:51 > 1:50:54with insecurity around your income just adds to the lengthening amount
1:50:54 > 1:50:57of amount of trauma that somebody experiences.
1:50:57 > 1:51:00I wanted to know if councils have a duty to house
1:51:00 > 1:51:04all women who have left a violent relationship?
1:51:04 > 1:51:08So, I went to speak to Jane Pritchard who is a housing lawyer.
1:51:08 > 1:51:15It's a really common situation that we come across.
1:51:15 > 1:51:18Clients coming to see us seeking advice because they've gone to one
1:51:18 > 1:51:23council and been told it's not their responsibility and to go
1:51:23 > 1:51:25and to go to another council.
1:51:25 > 1:51:28It's really, really important to understand
1:51:28 > 1:51:31that this type of behaviour that we call gate-keeping as house
1:51:31 > 1:51:32lawyers is unlawful.
1:51:32 > 1:51:36Your connection with that borough has nothing to do
1:51:36 > 1:51:39with their immediate duty to one, accept a homeless person's
1:51:39 > 1:51:42application from you and two, to provide you with emergency
1:51:42 > 1:51:44temporary accommodation.
1:51:46 > 1:51:49We can speak now to Lucy Martindale.
1:51:49 > 1:51:52She made the film for us as a survivor of domestic
1:51:52 > 1:51:53domestic violence herself.
1:51:53 > 1:51:58Sandra Johnson, who had a difficult time trying
1:51:58 > 1:52:00to find a house in London when she fled her ex-partner.
1:52:00 > 1:52:03Jessica McGawley is from the Cassandra Learning Centre,
1:52:03 > 1:52:09a charity which helps women find accommodation.
1:52:09 > 1:52:15Sandra what happened to you?I attended a London borough after
1:52:15 > 1:52:18fleeing domestic violence after ten years and I was told I needed a
1:52:18 > 1:52:22local connection to the borough despite obviously clearly showing
1:52:22 > 1:52:27distress about how I was feeling. I was placed in a bed and breakfast
1:52:27 > 1:52:32more about five months and I understand that due to having a
1:52:32 > 1:52:35local connection you need to have been in London for six months so as
1:52:35 > 1:52:40a result of that, I was moved out to another London borough and because
1:52:40 > 1:52:44of that, and that temporary accommodation was cancelled by a
1:52:44 > 1:52:50post-it note. So then I attended that London borough because that was
1:52:50 > 1:52:53the borough I worked in. Unfortunately that borough again
1:52:53 > 1:52:57failed to accept me because they were under the understanding that I
1:52:57 > 1:53:02initially went to the first borough so therefore, that borough should
1:53:02 > 1:53:09re-house me under domestic violence. So, it was a long, long ongoing
1:53:09 > 1:53:13legal battle and eventually I won and I was placed in temporary
1:53:13 > 1:53:19accommodation, but then my temporary accommodation was for a year and six
1:53:19 > 1:53:22months until I was placed into permanent accommodation in the
1:53:22 > 1:53:25borough.You have had a similar experience. You were moved seven
1:53:25 > 1:53:29times as you explained in the film. You know there is a housing
1:53:29 > 1:53:35shortage. Clearly. When you're fleeing a violent partner, you are a
1:53:35 > 1:53:38vulnerable person and you may have children as well. So in terms of
1:53:38 > 1:53:41criteria, you would come high up the list, but there is a housing
1:53:41 > 1:53:44shortage. So temporary accommodation might be the only thing a council
1:53:44 > 1:53:50has.I understand that. But then they have to take into account the
1:53:50 > 1:53:55people with children, they have to attend school and the impact it has
1:53:55 > 1:54:00psychologically on a child to be moved around so many times. Like my
1:54:00 > 1:54:02children had to attend three different schools so I just think
1:54:02 > 1:54:07that...And that has an impact on them clearly...Big time. They need
1:54:07 > 1:54:11to be more aware of, it's not just the housing, it leads to other
1:54:11 > 1:54:15problems such as not being able to go back to work. Your children's
1:54:15 > 1:54:21school.Again, you know, I have sympathy for your cases, but let me
1:54:21 > 1:54:27put say this - if there is no where for you to go in the borough, is it
1:54:27 > 1:54:31not better to be in a different borough with a roof over your head?
1:54:31 > 1:54:36I don't see why you should have to leave where you have grown-up, you
1:54:36 > 1:54:39have support, family, friends, it's almost like you are the person that
1:54:39 > 1:54:43has committed the crime and not the victim. In my case, I believe the
1:54:43 > 1:54:47person should have been arrested and sent to prison and I could have
1:54:47 > 1:54:53remained safely in my home. But I couldn't.Yes. Jessica, let me bring
1:54:53 > 1:54:56you in as a psychologist as well as working for the charity, what about
1:54:56 > 1:55:00the effect of constantly moving. People who are already vulnerable
1:55:00 > 1:55:03and potentially traumatised because of what they have experienced this
1:55:03 > 1:55:12their family home?Well, you have safety and psychological needs are
1:55:12 > 1:55:16the basis of these. These are not luxuries, security of environment,
1:55:16 > 1:55:19of mind and body, knowing you have somewhere to rest your head and
1:55:19 > 1:55:23sleep at night. If you have been a victim of domestic violence and your
1:55:23 > 1:55:28child has too, leaving that unstable environment to go to another one in
1:55:28 > 1:55:32temporary housing is to some degree just as bad. Now, you are most
1:55:32 > 1:55:35likely left that environment so you can rebuild your life. You can't
1:55:35 > 1:55:37rebuild your life if you're constantly on the move. You don't
1:55:37 > 1:55:42know where you're going to be resting. And the effects of this
1:55:42 > 1:55:49psychologically on children are anxiety, depression, PDSD, anger,
1:55:49 > 1:55:52but high levels of adrenalin. Constantly in a state of flight. So
1:55:52 > 1:55:57you're and that's not con deuce cif to develop your education.Sorry,
1:55:57 > 1:56:04Lucy. Go on.Some of these children already have issues such as autism,
1:56:04 > 1:56:10or ADHD and it makes, my older son does have ADHD which then had a much
1:56:10 > 1:56:18worse impact on him and I've begged for him help. I have had to make
1:56:18 > 1:56:22sure my children are OK, but there is many women that don't have the
1:56:22 > 1:56:25strength that I do and their children end up being taken into
1:56:25 > 1:56:30care due to being a victim. So the Government definitely need to do
1:56:30 > 1:56:33something to help women in our situation.This is what the
1:56:33 > 1:56:43Government says. They say they have secured £40 million worth of
1:56:43 > 1:56:47dedicated funding for domestic abuse services over four years up to 2020
1:56:47 > 1:56:54which they say will create 2200 bed spaces and give support to 19,000
1:56:54 > 1:56:59victims. Is that evidence that they are tackling the problem?Hopefully
1:56:59 > 1:57:07they are. That's something we need to work on is how can we access
1:57:07 > 1:57:11that.Do you think that's enough?I mean it's a start, but many times we
1:57:11 > 1:57:15have heard things are going to be done and it's hard to see the help
1:57:15 > 1:57:19that they are saying is offered because not just in my case, but
1:57:19 > 1:57:26many other women. I wasn't aware of how widespread this issue was until
1:57:26 > 1:57:29I made the programme and since then a lot of women have come forward
1:57:29 > 1:57:34with their story. So it is a big problem that needs to be
1:57:34 > 1:57:36acknowledged.You are in dispute with your council because they have
1:57:36 > 1:57:41housed you ten miles from your children's school.As a result of
1:57:41 > 1:57:46that, I'm now in a legal dispute with that council due to that
1:57:46 > 1:57:50reason, but I'm going to keep on fighting.And your situation,
1:57:50 > 1:57:55Sandra?I am placed in permanent accommodation, but also trying to
1:57:55 > 1:57:59give back to the community and raising awareness around domestic
1:57:59 > 1:58:03violence and also the impact of domestic violence on mental health.
1:58:03 > 1:58:09OK, are you all right?I'm fine. That's really, really good to hear.
1:58:09 > 1:58:14Thank you very much, Sandra. Sand drarks Lucy, and Jessica, thank you
1:58:14 > 1:58:17very much.
1:58:18 > 1:58:20On this programme tomorrow, we'll be joined by an audience
1:58:20 > 1:58:23of women, and some men, who have been sexually harassed
1:58:23 > 1:58:25in all walks of life, in the NHS, in schools,
1:58:25 > 1:58:29in banks, as well as politicians and actors.
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