0:00:06 > 0:00:10Hello, it's Thursday 2nd November, it's nine o'clock,
0:00:10 > 0:00:11I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.
0:00:11 > 0:00:14Theresa May loses one of her key allies in the growing scandal
0:00:14 > 0:00:16engulfing Westminster.
0:00:16 > 0:00:22Defence Secretary Sir Michael Fallon resigns for inappropriate sexual
0:00:22 > 0:00:24behaviour leaving a key Cabinet position unfilled and MPs
0:00:24 > 0:00:26wondering who might be next.
0:00:26 > 0:00:29The culture has changed over the years.
0:00:29 > 0:00:31What might have been
0:00:31 > 0:00:39acceptable 15, ten years ago is clearly not acceptable now.
0:00:39 > 0:00:42One senior Conservative politician, a woman, says it is time to clean
0:00:42 > 0:00:45out the stables. Is she right?
0:00:45 > 0:00:47Also this morning - an exclusive report on how
0:00:47 > 0:00:48unregulated psychotherapists are free to practise
0:00:48 > 0:00:50on vulnerable patients, in some cases with devastating
0:00:50 > 0:00:53results.
0:00:53 > 0:00:57I was asked by the therapist if I wanted to be given a bath by all
0:00:57 > 0:01:00three as a way of showing nurturing towards me.
0:01:00 > 0:01:06It's beyond words.
0:01:06 > 0:01:08I was in a place of terror.
0:01:08 > 0:01:11We'll have the full interview just after 9.30 this morning.
0:01:11 > 0:01:13And will the Bank of England put up interest rates later?
0:01:13 > 0:01:16If they do, it will for the first time in ten years.
0:01:16 > 0:01:18Bad news for mortgage holders.
0:01:18 > 0:01:20Good news for savers.
0:01:20 > 0:01:30We'll assess how likely it is to happen.
0:01:31 > 0:01:32Hello.
0:01:32 > 0:01:37Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning.
0:01:37 > 0:01:39We're also talking about nursing shortages this morning
0:01:39 > 0:01:41as new figures show a drop-off in the numbers of EU citizens
0:01:41 > 0:01:48wanting to work here.
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0:02:12 > 0:02:13Our top story today...
0:02:13 > 0:02:15The Defence Secretary Sir Michael Fallon has resigned
0:02:15 > 0:02:16following accusations of inappropropriate
0:02:16 > 0:02:17sexual behaviour.
0:02:17 > 0:02:20He said his conduct had fallen short of the high standards expected -
0:02:20 > 0:02:23he is the first politician to quit following wider claims of sexual
0:02:23 > 0:02:24harrassment at Westminster.
0:02:24 > 0:02:26The Prime Minister must now appoint a new Defence Secretary.
0:02:26 > 0:02:28Our political correspondent Alex Forsyth reports.
0:02:28 > 0:02:31Sir Michael Fallon had a reputation as a reliable figure in Government.
0:02:31 > 0:02:33The long-serving MP had several ministerial jobs,
0:02:33 > 0:02:38before becoming defence secretary three years ago.
0:02:38 > 0:02:44But last night he resigned, saying, at times in the past,
0:02:44 > 0:02:46his conduct had fallen short.
0:02:46 > 0:02:49I have behaved in the past, clearly, in a way that has occasionally been
0:02:49 > 0:02:53below the standards that we require of the Armed Forces.
0:02:53 > 0:02:57And I don't think it's right for me to go on as defence secretary,
0:02:57 > 0:02:59expecting the very highest standards of our servicemen and women,
0:02:59 > 0:03:03and fail to meet them myself.
0:03:03 > 0:03:06Sir Michael had been caught up in the claims of inappropriate
0:03:06 > 0:03:10behaviour currently sweeping Westminster.
0:03:10 > 0:03:13The only public allegation was that, 15 years ago, he had repeatedly
0:03:13 > 0:03:18touched the knee of a journalist, who dismissed it as mildly amusing.
0:03:18 > 0:03:20For some, his decision to go showed there was strong
0:03:20 > 0:03:22leadership in Government.
0:03:22 > 0:03:27Theresa May has clearly laid the law down, both to the party,
0:03:27 > 0:03:30to Parliament, and also more particularly to her Cabinet,
0:03:30 > 0:03:33and said, these are the standards that I simply will not accept.
0:03:33 > 0:03:36If you fall below them, with regards to this use of power
0:03:36 > 0:03:38to extract from people sexual favours, or whatever,
0:03:38 > 0:03:45that is intolerable and I won't stand for it.
0:03:45 > 0:03:48But, for now, Theresa May has a spare space around her top table.
0:03:48 > 0:03:51She has lost a key ally and must work out how
0:03:51 > 0:03:53to replace him, in a Cabinet that was already
0:03:53 > 0:03:57delicately balanced.
0:03:57 > 0:04:01Let's talk to Norman Smith who has the latest for us...
0:04:01 > 0:04:07How damaging is this Theresa May? Well, it's just given rocket fuel to
0:04:07 > 0:04:14the whole sexual harassment scandal the buffeting of Westminster and a
0:04:14 > 0:04:18reason they's government. Michael Fallon was a point of stability
0:04:18 > 0:04:22within a cabinet where we know that there are big personalities with
0:04:22 > 0:04:27very diverging views on Brexit. He was a political streetfighter, had
0:04:27 > 0:04:33been around the block a few times. He was a go to person for Prime
0:04:33 > 0:04:37Ministers in moments of trouble. He added a bit of glue around Theresa
0:04:37 > 0:04:40May but now, he is out of it. More than that, he says that the reason
0:04:40 > 0:04:46that he went was because of incidents in the past where ten or
0:04:46 > 0:04:5015 years ago, they may have been viewed as banter or flotation but
0:04:50 > 0:04:55now would be viewed as unacceptable. It seems to me to be setting the bar
0:04:55 > 0:05:01pretty high for other ministers because of allegations that are to
0:05:01 > 0:05:06emerge about other ministers which could involve relatively minor
0:05:06 > 0:05:10levels of sexually improper behaviour. That too could be deemed
0:05:10 > 0:05:14as an appropriate and those ministers would also have to go. The
0:05:14 > 0:05:17real danger is chunks of the government start falling off and
0:05:17 > 0:05:22more ministers have to quit if there are more allegations and this is at
0:05:22 > 0:05:26a time where we know Theresa May's leadership is very fragile and while
0:05:26 > 0:05:33the government is being battered by the gale force winds of Brexit.It
0:05:33 > 0:05:38was Michael Fallon pushed, or did he jump?Well, there lies the question.
0:05:38 > 0:05:44Number 10 will not engage with that. Those close to Michael Fallon insist
0:05:44 > 0:05:49that there were many new allegations subsequent to the one that you
0:05:49 > 0:05:52remember at the start of the week where he placed his hand on the knee
0:05:52 > 0:05:58of the journalist Julia Hartley Brewer back in 2002. However, I have
0:05:58 > 0:06:02to say that I've heard claims that other women, or at least one other
0:06:02 > 0:06:08woman, alerted Downing Street yesterday to much more recent
0:06:08 > 0:06:13allegations, and he was, in effect, sacked. Downing Street said that
0:06:13 > 0:06:19they do not recognise that interpretation of events, but there
0:06:19 > 0:06:23are so many allegations swirling around here. It seems to me from
0:06:23 > 0:06:27Theresa May's perspective, that she is trying to get a grip of this and
0:06:27 > 0:06:32set out her new complaints machinery and surely, the last thing she would
0:06:32 > 0:06:36have wanted is a dribble of accusations carrying on in the media
0:06:36 > 0:06:38over one of her leading
0:06:38 > 0:06:42ministers.Norman Smith, thank you. We will get the reaction from
0:06:42 > 0:06:46Conservative MP Norman for -- Michael Fabricant and leader of the
0:06:46 > 0:06:49Green party Caroline Lucas soon.
0:06:49 > 0:06:51Annita is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary
0:06:51 > 0:06:53of the rest of the day's news.
0:06:53 > 0:06:54President Trump has called for the death penalty
0:06:54 > 0:06:57for Sayfullo Saipov, the man accused of killing eight
0:06:57 > 0:06:59people in New York by driving at them with a truck.
0:06:59 > 0:07:01In a tweet, the president claimed
0:07:01 > 0:07:03Saipov, who was shot and wounded by police at the scene,
0:07:03 > 0:07:08had asked to hang an Islamic State flag in his hospital room.
0:07:08 > 0:07:11The state of New York has outlawed the death penalty,
0:07:11 > 0:07:13but that can be overruled by the US government for a federal
0:07:13 > 0:07:17crime such as this.
0:07:17 > 0:07:19Meanwhile, Saipov, a 29-year-old originally
0:07:19 > 0:07:22from Uzbekistan who's been living legally in the US for seven
0:07:22 > 0:07:25years, has been charged with terrorism offences.
0:07:25 > 0:07:27Law enforcement officials have been giving reporters
0:07:27 > 0:07:33more details about him.
0:07:33 > 0:07:39He allegedly admitted that he was inspired to commit the attack by the
0:07:39 > 0:07:42Isis videos that he watched and had been planning the attack for two
0:07:42 > 0:07:46months.
0:07:46 > 0:07:49There's been a sharp decline in the number of nurses and midwives from
0:07:49 > 0:07:53the EU wanting to work in the UK. The nursing and midwifery Council
0:07:53 > 0:07:57says comparing this year to last there has been almost a 90% drop in
0:07:57 > 0:08:05new registrations. Sophie Hutchison reports. Around one in every 20
0:08:05 > 0:08:10nurses and midwives working in the UK was trained in the EU. Many from
0:08:10 > 0:08:14Spain, Portugal, Poland and Romania but according to new figures,
0:08:14 > 0:08:18numbers are declining. The nurses and midwives for regulator, the NMC,
0:08:18 > 0:08:25said in the year to 2016, more than 10,000 UK register but this year,
0:08:25 > 0:08:29that fell dramatically to around 1000 and the number of EU nurses
0:08:29 > 0:08:36working here who decided to give up their UK registration rose by 67%.
0:08:36 > 0:08:40Clearly it is a worrying trend and for those responsible for thinking
0:08:40 > 0:08:45about what we need in future, the nurses and midwives we need in
0:08:45 > 0:08:49future to care for us, they will obviously look at this and think,
0:08:49 > 0:08:53what can we do to reverse that trend? It's difficult to speculate
0:08:53 > 0:08:58as to the reasons why.The figures point to previous evidence pointing
0:08:58 > 0:09:04to a significant reduction in the number of EU nurses keen to work in
0:09:04 > 0:09:09the UK since the referendum. It has been described as alarming, the NHS
0:09:09 > 0:09:14was short of at least 40,000 nurses. The government says that they are
0:09:14 > 0:09:20ensuring the NHS have the staff they need with a 25% increase in nurse
0:09:20 > 0:09:29training places. Sophie Hutchison, BBC News. Two soldiers have been
0:09:29 > 0:09:31charged with negligence following the deaths of three soldiers during
0:09:31 > 0:09:34an SAS selection march in the Brecon Beacons. Craig Roberts, Edward Maher
0:09:34 > 0:09:36and James Dunsby were taking part in a 16-mile recruitment exercise on
0:09:36 > 0:09:45the hottest day of 2013. A coroner ruled they died from neglect.
0:09:45 > 0:09:47Interest rates could be about to rise for the first time in ten
0:09:47 > 0:09:50years. It's expected the Bank of England will confirm the move later
0:09:50 > 0:09:52today. Economists say it would mean the cost of some mortgages would go
0:09:52 > 0:09:55up, but savers should see better returns on their money. The Bank of
0:09:55 > 0:10:00England says any rise would be 'modest'. Police investigating the
0:10:00 > 0:10:02Manchester Arena bombing, which killed 22 people, have requested the
0:10:02 > 0:10:05extradition to the UK of the brother of the bomber. They've issued an
0:10:05 > 0:10:07arrest warrant for Hashem Abedi, who's currently being held in Libya.
0:10:07 > 0:10:09Greater Manchester Police say authorities there are considering
0:10:09 > 0:10:11the request. Police also revealed 512 people are now known to have
0:10:11 > 0:10:21been injured in the blast back in May.
0:10:21 > 0:10:23Dustin Hoffman has been accused of sexually harassing
0:10:23 > 0:10:26an intern on the set of one of his films in 1985.
0:10:26 > 0:10:30The writer Anna Graham Hunter says the Oscar-winning actor
0:10:30 > 0:10:32groped her and made inappropriate comments to her when
0:10:32 > 0:10:34she was 17 years old.
0:10:34 > 0:10:35Hoffman has apologised, and said he was sorry
0:10:35 > 0:10:38if he "put her in an uncomfortable situation", adding "it is not
0:10:38 > 0:10:48reflective of who I am."
0:10:50 > 0:10:53There are warnings over the way mental health therapy is being
0:10:53 > 0:10:55regulated and that it could be putting vulnerable patients in harms
0:10:55 > 0:10:56way. Currently, no statutory regulation of counsellors or
0:10:56 > 0:10:58psychotherapists exists and anyone can legally give themselves the
0:10:58 > 0:11:00title. The government is launching a consultation on the issue and has
0:11:00 > 0:11:02pledged £1.3 billion to transform mental health services and create
0:11:02 > 0:11:1221,000 new posts.
0:11:12 > 0:11:14Children from Blackburn are four times more likely to have fillings
0:11:14 > 0:11:16than their counterparts in South Gloucestershire - according
0:11:16 > 0:11:20to a new report on dental health.
0:11:20 > 0:11:23It found that as well as there being a north south regional divide,
0:11:23 > 0:11:25there was a consistent gap between the dental health
0:11:25 > 0:11:27of the rich and poor in England.
0:11:27 > 0:11:29People from the most deprived backgrounds were twice as likely
0:11:29 > 0:11:39to be admitted to hospital for dental work.
0:11:45 > 0:11:47It's been adopted by Donald Trump among others, and accused
0:11:47 > 0:11:49of influencing elections, but today 'fake news'
0:11:49 > 0:11:50is legitimate news.
0:11:50 > 0:11:52It's been named Collins' Word of the Year, even though
0:11:52 > 0:11:55it's a two-word phrase, of course.
0:11:55 > 0:11:58The term was adopted by the US president during his election
0:11:58 > 0:12:01campaign, and has seen its usage soar by over
0:12:01 > 0:12:02300% since 2016.
0:12:02 > 0:12:04Other words on the list include "Corbyn-mania",
0:12:04 > 0:12:06describing fervent enthusiasm for the leader of the Labour Party.
0:12:06 > 0:12:09That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30.
0:12:09 > 0:12:14I will be talking about therapists later on. If you see a therapist,
0:12:14 > 0:12:19how do you know that you can trust them? What checks do you do on them?
0:12:19 > 0:12:23Send us your experiences and we will feed those experiences into the
0:12:23 > 0:12:27conversation. Hugh is here with the sport, Spurs were magnificent in the
0:12:27 > 0:12:29Champions League last night, weren't they?
0:12:29 > 0:12:34Good morning, they were, if I was a Spurs fan I would be waking up with
0:12:34 > 0:12:38a sore head this morning! One of the best results in their history,
0:12:38 > 0:12:45playing real Madrid, they have won single of the last four cups. Sergio
0:12:45 > 0:12:50Ramos, Luka Modric, the list goes on and on but Pochettino's young team
0:12:50 > 0:12:54put in a near-perfect performance last night, dominating at Wembley
0:12:54 > 0:12:58for a 3-1 win inspired by England's Dele Alli, scoring twice on the
0:12:58 > 0:13:04night. His team-mate Christian Eriksen made his team-mates
0:13:04 > 0:13:08delirious! There was a late Ronaldo consolation but it was not enough
0:13:08 > 0:13:14for the Spanish giants. It's their first win over the Spanish team in
0:13:14 > 0:13:18their history. Spurs are being sent into the knockout stages as a
0:13:18 > 0:13:22result, a fantastic win for them. Dele Alli will have to share the
0:13:22 > 0:13:26headlines with Sergio Aguero of Manchester City, he has become the
0:13:26 > 0:13:33club's leading goal-scorer of all time, after a 4-2 win over Natalie,
0:13:33 > 0:13:39Italy, the 170th goal for the club. Manager Pep Guardiola called him a
0:13:39 > 0:13:44legend. They reached the last -- Liverpool are not there yet that it
0:13:44 > 0:13:49rounds up a good night for British clubs with a 3-0 win over Maribor.
0:13:49 > 0:13:55And more history was made overnight in the baseball World Series?
0:13:55 > 0:13:59What a moment for the people of Houston, you may remember the
0:13:59 > 0:14:03devastation that came with Hurricane Harvey, resulting in nearly 100
0:14:03 > 0:14:09deaths but the city has found solace. A reason to smile as their
0:14:09 > 0:14:17baseball team, the Houston Astros, won again decided to get to 4-3 over
0:14:17 > 0:14:22the LA Dodgers, their first series win. They dedicated the title to the
0:14:22 > 0:14:26people of the city but George Springer, their MVP, became the
0:14:26 > 0:14:30first player to hit home runs in four successive World Series games.
0:14:30 > 0:14:34The day was made even more perfect for one of his team-mates. Take a
0:14:34 > 0:14:40look at this.You make me the happiest man in the world... Will
0:14:40 > 0:14:48you marry me?Oh, my God!A touching moments between this player
0:14:48 > 0:14:53proposing to his girlfriend, Daniela Rodriguez. Look at art rock! More
0:14:53 > 0:14:58than one month's wagers on that! He dedicated the win to those victims
0:14:58 > 0:15:03of hurricane Maria, which affected Puerto Rico.
0:15:03 > 0:15:07What a way for us to start the day here!
0:15:07 > 0:15:09Thank God Daniela Rodriguez said yes as well!
0:15:09 > 0:15:16Thank you. More for the sport throughout the morning.
0:15:16 > 0:15:20We will be talking about allegations of sexual abuse and harassment at
0:15:20 > 0:15:43Westminster again... Last night the Defence Secretary resigned. He said
0:15:43 > 0:15:48his past behaviour had fallen short of the standards expected. His
0:15:48 > 0:15:51departure leaves the Prime Minister Theresa May with a major hole in her
0:15:51 > 0:15:58Cabinet and is leaving many MPs wondering who might be next. Laura
0:15:58 > 0:16:01Kuenssberg asked Sir Michael Fallon if he was resigning now because he
0:16:01 > 0:16:05was more worried there were more allegations to emerge.
0:16:05 > 0:16:07Well, the culture has changed over the years.
0:16:07 > 0:16:10What might have been acceptable 15, ten years ago is clearly
0:16:10 > 0:16:11not acceptable now.
0:16:11 > 0:16:15Parliament now has to look at itself and the Prime Minister has made very
0:16:15 > 0:16:18clear that conduct needs to be improved and we need to protect
0:16:18 > 0:16:20the staff of Westminster against any particular
0:16:20 > 0:16:22allegations of harassment.
0:16:22 > 0:16:27But do you feel that you yourself have done anything wrong?
0:16:27 > 0:16:32I have behaved in the past clearly in a way that has been occasionally
0:16:32 > 0:16:37below the standards that we require of the Armed Forces and I don't
0:16:37 > 0:16:41think it's right for me to go on as Defence Secretary expecting
0:16:41 > 0:16:45the very high standards of our service men and women
0:16:45 > 0:16:47and fail to meet them myself.
0:16:47 > 0:16:51Do you feel you should apologise for what happened?
0:16:51 > 0:16:54I think we've all got to look back now at the past
0:16:54 > 0:16:56and there are always things you regret, you would
0:16:56 > 0:16:57have done differently.
0:16:57 > 0:17:00Do you think, do you believe that there is a widespread problem
0:17:00 > 0:17:01in the culture at Westminster?
0:17:01 > 0:17:03Clearly.
0:17:03 > 0:17:05The Prime Minister has made it clear now.
0:17:05 > 0:17:08There are a number of allegations swirling around.
0:17:08 > 0:17:11Many of them are obviously false, but there are some serious issues
0:17:11 > 0:17:16here that staff at Westminster need to be better protected and that
0:17:16 > 0:17:20claims of harassment need to be properly investigated.
0:17:20 > 0:17:25The Prime Minister has now set that machinery in motion and clearly that
0:17:25 > 0:17:35from now on has to apply to all of us.
0:17:35 > 0:17:38The former Conservative leader Iain Duncan Smith says the Prime Minister
0:17:38 > 0:17:44has now laid down the law.I am told categorically that she was, how can
0:17:44 > 0:17:47I put it, very clear when she's bowed to the Cabinet about what she
0:17:47 > 0:17:53plans to do and what she wants to do and that clarity leaves various
0:17:53 > 0:17:57members of the Cabinet and of the party generally to recognise
0:17:57 > 0:18:01whatever limitations there were about their behaviour in the past
0:18:01 > 0:18:05and to decide whether or not they met the standards and clearly
0:18:05 > 0:18:09Michael Fallon felt that was not the case and he took there for a
0:18:09 > 0:18:13decision to resign. But the key element is not so much on Michael
0:18:13 > 0:18:17Fallon's decision, but the reason for that decision and the reason was
0:18:17 > 0:18:21that Theresa May has made it very clear, and I know she feels very
0:18:21 > 0:18:26strongly about this, that we have to lead in Parliament on this so others
0:18:26 > 0:18:34themselves recognise they have to behave in the House.Theresa May
0:18:34 > 0:18:38admitted she was deeply concerned by recent reports and she has invited
0:18:38 > 0:18:42Jeremy Corbyn and other party leaders, including the Green Party's
0:18:42 > 0:18:45leader Caroline Lucas, to the meeting.
0:18:45 > 0:18:47meeting.
0:18:47 > 0:18:49Let's talk now to Michael Fabricant, Conservative MP for Lichfield
0:18:49 > 0:18:55who was named on a list of MPs accusing him of inappropriate
0:18:55 > 0:19:02behaviour.
0:19:02 > 0:19:07When you listen to Iain Duncan Smith there appears to be zero tolerance
0:19:07 > 0:19:10for almost anything, including putting your hand on some of's need
0:19:10 > 0:19:16almost 15 years ago. Do you think there will be other resignations?It
0:19:16 > 0:19:21is not for me to speculate.The bar has been set so load-bearing is
0:19:21 > 0:19:27bound to be.I guess I can say depending on what the level of the
0:19:27 > 0:19:31bar is would anyone be in that position? I have never thought it
0:19:31 > 0:19:38appropriate to put someone's hands on their knee, it is not something I
0:19:38 > 0:19:43think you should do. But precisely where the bar has been set and
0:19:43 > 0:19:48precisely where people's pasts are, they will have to ask themselves.
0:19:48 > 0:19:54Michael Fallon was a big ally of the Prime Minister, a good friend, a
0:19:54 > 0:19:58solid person around that Cabinet table. How damaging is this for
0:19:58 > 0:20:04Theresa May?Well, it is not good, and nor should anyone pretended to
0:20:04 > 0:20:08be good, because as you quite rightly say Michael Fallon is a
0:20:08 > 0:20:13loyal Secretary of State and she will miss him because of that and
0:20:13 > 0:20:17because he was a very able Secretary of State. No Prime Minister likes to
0:20:17 > 0:20:21have a reshuffle when reshuffles have not been planned by that Prime
0:20:21 > 0:20:26Minister long in advance, but I suspect we will get over it.Has she
0:20:26 > 0:20:31got a grip of the situation?We will have to see how matters proceed over
0:20:31 > 0:20:38the next few weeks.Not necessarily yet that she has got a grip?It is
0:20:38 > 0:20:43not down to her, it is down to the past of individual MPs and it is
0:20:43 > 0:20:48also down to how seriously we are going to take allegations on
0:20:48 > 0:20:51spreadsheets which are spread on social media and which might have no
0:20:51 > 0:20:57basis in truth in some cases as we are already finding out.Michael
0:20:57 > 0:21:02Fallon said he was resigning because his behaviour had not reached
0:21:02 > 0:21:07standards expected of him. On the list you mention, an unverified list
0:21:07 > 0:21:11of allegations against Conservative MPs, some of whom are ministers,
0:21:11 > 0:21:16some of the people on the list, what is said about them is inaccurate and
0:21:16 > 0:21:20some of them it is innocuous, you outed yourself, what are you
0:21:20 > 0:21:26supposed to have done?I got a phone call on Monday morning from Channel
0:21:26 > 0:21:294 and I was in a conversation with someone at the time and I took the
0:21:29 > 0:21:34phone call and I was told I was on the list and I was incredulous. I
0:21:34 > 0:21:39looked down the list of wrongdoings, I did not have the names of MPs at
0:21:39 > 0:21:42that stage and I did not recognise anything that could have remotely
0:21:42 > 0:21:47been to do with me. The following day somebody sent me, because they
0:21:47 > 0:21:52found it on twitter, the unredacted list, and this is the problem. It
0:21:52 > 0:21:58said that I had been inappropriate with a male journalist in a taxi.
0:21:58 > 0:22:04For the life of me I cannot remember being in the back of a taxi with a
0:22:04 > 0:22:10male journalist, so I guess I must have been after 25 years of being an
0:22:10 > 0:22:15MP, and what did inappropriate mean? Had I asked him about his expenses
0:22:15 > 0:22:21or have I done something far more serious? If it was more serious, why
0:22:21 > 0:22:26didn't the journalists write about it? I had been talking to
0:22:26 > 0:22:29journalists at the House of commons who are great gossips and none of
0:22:29 > 0:22:35them had heard this story before. It is remarkable it has not come out.
0:22:35 > 0:22:39How do you being about being on that list inaccurately?I think it is
0:22:39 > 0:22:45most unfair and the thing that concerns me, and I have long been
0:22:45 > 0:22:50asking for this, a mechanism, which protects young, vulnerable people
0:22:50 > 0:22:54who work in the House of commons because there is this imbalance of
0:22:54 > 0:22:58power and you have young researchers who are particularly vulnerable and
0:22:58 > 0:23:02who do not want to make a complaint because they are frightened of their
0:23:02 > 0:23:07own careers, so we must protect them, both men and women by the way.
0:23:07 > 0:23:11You have had men come to you complaining about being sexually
0:23:11 > 0:23:19harassed.As a whip. We also need to set up mechanisms that protect MPs
0:23:19 > 0:23:23from being accused of doing things which have subsequently been shown
0:23:23 > 0:23:29not to be true.You have libel laws of course.You do, but how do you
0:23:29 > 0:23:35sue social media and that is the problem. That is why I had to out
0:23:35 > 0:23:39myself because no alleged victim had come out, so the BBC and newspapers
0:23:39 > 0:23:44would not have published my name, but I chose to do it because there
0:23:44 > 0:23:49needs to be a voice saying not only must we protect young people, we
0:23:49 > 0:23:53must also protect MPs as well, particularly from scurrilous
0:23:53 > 0:23:57accusations being made by a 16-year-old in a back room on
0:23:57 > 0:24:03twitter.Thank you very much, Michael Fabricant. Let's talk now to
0:24:03 > 0:24:08Caroline Lucas, co-leader of the Green Party. Good morning. How
0:24:08 > 0:24:14should Theresa May get a grip on this?I think she needs to put in
0:24:14 > 0:24:17place, and I am grateful she is reaching out across the political
0:24:17 > 0:24:24parties to do this together, but she needs to put in place a transparent,
0:24:24 > 0:24:27robust and crucially independent structure whereby these kinds of
0:24:27 > 0:24:32accusations are not just circulating on spreadsheets, but there is a very
0:24:32 > 0:24:37clear line of accountability, a line where anybody who has any experience
0:24:37 > 0:24:41or knows of anybody who has experience of this, can go somewhere
0:24:41 > 0:24:45and know their concerns are going to be followed up properly, that there
0:24:45 > 0:24:49will be no concern that if something happens that will be undermining for
0:24:49 > 0:24:56their career in the future. That is unacceptable.If an alleged victim
0:24:56 > 0:25:01of sexual harassment came to you and said, this has happened to me, what
0:25:01 > 0:25:06advice would you give them now?Now I think we are all more aware of the
0:25:06 > 0:25:11fact structures are being put in place. Hotline was set up a couple
0:25:11 > 0:25:15of years ago, frankly not many people knew about that, that was
0:25:15 > 0:25:20after the Channel 4 investigation in 2014, and things have not changed
0:25:20 > 0:25:24enough. It would depend on the situation, whether it was someone in
0:25:24 > 0:25:30my party or another party. But you have to have independent, robust
0:25:30 > 0:25:33channels and if it is at the extreme end where a crime has been
0:25:33 > 0:25:36committed, they should go to the police and go through a court case.
0:25:36 > 0:25:41As well as these legal structures, we need to change the culture as
0:25:41 > 0:25:46well. One of the things that struck me about what Michael Fallon said is
0:25:46 > 0:25:50that some of this behaviour might have been appropriate ten years ago.
0:25:50 > 0:25:55Well, now it was not, it was not appropriate ten years ago and it is
0:25:55 > 0:26:00not appropriate now. I think calling for training for MPs, which might
0:26:00 > 0:26:03sound ludicrous, but that might be necessary because professional
0:26:03 > 0:26:08boundaries have not been respected. Some mandatory boundaries to bring
0:26:08 > 0:26:12all MPs up to speak about what is acceptable levels of behaviour would
0:26:12 > 0:26:17not go amiss in Parliament.It is interesting you think that is
0:26:17 > 0:26:21required.I wish it was not required, but we have been here
0:26:21 > 0:26:26before, we were here in 2014 with that Channel 4 investigation and it
0:26:26 > 0:26:31does not appear that behaviour has changed all that much, so let's make
0:26:31 > 0:26:35sure that MPs know what the boundaries are. I wish it was not
0:26:35 > 0:26:41necessary, but I think it is and I think Parliament is in a particular
0:26:41 > 0:26:45position, both because we should be a beacon of best practice rather
0:26:45 > 0:26:48than worse, and because of the almost unique employment structure
0:26:48 > 0:26:53here where MPs are the direct employers of their own staff and we
0:26:53 > 0:26:57should be looking at other models. In the European Parliament it used
0:26:57 > 0:27:02to be the case, I am not sure if it still is, that any members of the
0:27:02 > 0:27:06European Parliament set up structures to be the former
0:27:06 > 0:27:10employers, so there is a buffer between the elected representative
0:27:10 > 0:27:16and the people working for them so all of the human resources capacity
0:27:16 > 0:27:20was already manifested there, you did not have to bring a complaint
0:27:20 > 0:27:24about an MP to an MP.Have you ever been sexually harassed during your
0:27:24 > 0:27:30political career?I have not, no. But I know plenty of people who
0:27:30 > 0:27:34have.Thank you for talking to us, Caroline Lucas.
0:27:34 > 0:27:36Thank you for talking to us, Caroline Lucas.
0:27:36 > 0:27:39Katy Balls from the Spectator is here with me now -
0:27:39 > 0:27:42for those of you that don't know the magazine - it's
0:27:42 > 0:27:43generally supportive of the Conservative Party.
0:27:43 > 0:27:46You were holding your Parliamentary awards last night and the Prime
0:27:46 > 0:27:51Minister could not be there because of Michael Fallon's resignation at
0:27:51 > 0:27:56seven o'clock. Everyone was obsessed about that and quite rightly.It was
0:27:56 > 0:28:01interesting as the news broke at the beginning of the wood awards that he
0:28:01 > 0:28:05was stepping down. The reaction was one of sadness but understanding why
0:28:05 > 0:28:14it had come to be.Why sadness? Sadness at the state of politics.
0:28:14 > 0:28:20Not necessarily because of him?No. In layman's terms how destabilising
0:28:20 > 0:28:26is it for the Prime Minister to lose somebody like Michael Fallon, a key
0:28:26 > 0:28:32ally, a friend, very stable, solid and loyal?He was one of her most
0:28:32 > 0:28:39loyal Cabinet members and she is in shock that short supply with them
0:28:39 > 0:28:50these days. Obviously this was a resignation. It looks like it was
0:28:50 > 0:28:56somewhere in the middle, but if you look at the other people there are
0:28:56 > 0:28:59people like Anna Soubry and Nicky Morgan, former ministers, and in
0:28:59 > 0:29:04terms of this one it will not cause her as many problems as previous
0:29:04 > 0:29:09ones.Norman Smith, our Assistant political editor was saying earlier
0:29:09 > 0:29:12that the problem is because of where the benchmark is now for a
0:29:12 > 0:29:18resignation, then you could see other chunks of the government as he
0:29:18 > 0:29:23put it falling off. Is that a real possibility?I think there are a few
0:29:23 > 0:29:27people who think there could be more resignations. There is an argument
0:29:27 > 0:29:31in the party that rather than just replacing the Defence Secretary this
0:29:31 > 0:29:37is an opportunity for Theresa May to do much muted cabinet reshuffle and
0:29:37 > 0:29:41take decisive action to clean up the cabinet. It will be a lot more
0:29:41 > 0:29:44embarrassing if you drop these people off one by one as more
0:29:44 > 0:29:50allegations come out.Which is what Ruth Davidson were saying, a senior
0:29:50 > 0:29:54Conservative politician in Scotland, it is time to clean up the stable.
0:29:54 > 0:30:00She set it at your event.She said it at the event and what was
0:30:00 > 0:30:04acceptable in the past is no longer there and we have a higher benchmark
0:30:04 > 0:30:07and that is important because politicians ultimately should be
0:30:07 > 0:30:13held to very high standards, they represent the nation.I do not know
0:30:13 > 0:30:17if Ruth Davidson was suggesting that Theresa May sex people when there
0:30:17 > 0:30:22are stories about them. Is that what she was saying?She would not sack
0:30:22 > 0:30:26them because there were allegations. With Michael Fallon he admitted he
0:30:26 > 0:30:30had done something and he said he had behaved below the standards. I
0:30:30 > 0:30:34do not think the suggestion is anyone who is accused should go.
0:30:34 > 0:30:37With this spreadsheet that has been going around there are a lot of
0:30:37 > 0:30:42things going on like consensual, extramarital affairs to serious
0:30:42 > 0:30:49allegations and it is trying to work out what the most serious things are
0:30:49 > 0:30:56and focusing, rather than becoming the moral police.
0:30:56 > 0:31:02Some comments here, if I can get those, bear with me... John
0:31:02 > 0:31:04e-mailed, please stop going on just about the Conservatives, what about
0:31:04 > 0:31:10other parties? I'm sorry about this but I wouldn't employ anyone other
0:31:10 > 0:31:15than family members. Someone else says that many women have benefited
0:31:15 > 0:31:16from working the system.
0:31:16 > 0:31:17Still to come:
0:31:17 > 0:31:19An exclusive report for this programme finds that some vulnerable
0:31:19 > 0:31:21patients are being seriously traumatised by unregulated
0:31:21 > 0:31:26counsellors and psychotherapists.
0:31:26 > 0:31:31For the first time since 2007, interest rates are expected to rise
0:31:31 > 0:31:34For the first time since 2007, interest rates are expected to rise.
0:31:34 > 0:31:35We'll hear from homeowners and savers.
0:31:35 > 0:31:40Time for the latest news - here's Annita.
0:31:40 > 0:31:42The headlines now on BBC News.
0:31:42 > 0:31:44The Defence Secretary Sir Michael Fallon has resigned
0:31:44 > 0:31:44following accusations of inappropropriate
0:31:44 > 0:31:46sexual behaviour.
0:31:46 > 0:31:49He said his conduct had fallen short of the high standards expected -
0:31:49 > 0:31:52he is the first politician to quit following wider claims of sexual
0:31:52 > 0:31:53harrassment at Westminster.
0:31:53 > 0:32:03The Prime Minister must now appoint a new Defence Secretary.
0:32:03 > 0:32:07I have behaved in the past in a way that has occasionally been below the
0:32:07 > 0:32:11standards we require of the Armed Forces and I do not think it is
0:32:11 > 0:32:16right for me to go on as Defence Secretary, expecting the highest
0:32:16 > 0:32:19standards of our servicemen and women and failing to meet them
0:32:19 > 0:32:21myself.
0:32:21 > 0:32:27President Trump has called for the death penalty
0:32:27 > 0:32:30for Sayfullo Saipov - the man accused of killing eight
0:32:30 > 0:32:31people in New York by driving at them with a truck.
0:32:34 > 0:32:37In a tweet, the president claimed Saipov, who was shot and wounded
0:32:37 > 0:32:40by police at the scene, had asked to hang an Islamic State
0:32:40 > 0:32:41flag in his hospital room.
0:32:41 > 0:32:43The state of New York has outlawed the death penalty,
0:32:43 > 0:32:46but that can be overruled by the US government for a federal
0:32:46 > 0:32:47crime such as this.
0:32:47 > 0:32:50Interest rates could be about to rise for the first
0:32:50 > 0:32:51time in ten years.
0:32:51 > 0:32:54It's expected the Bank of England will confirm the move later today.
0:32:54 > 0:32:57Economists say it would mean the cost of some mortgages would go
0:32:57 > 0:32:59up, but savers should see better returns on their money.
0:32:59 > 0:33:03The Bank of England says any rise would be 'modest'.
0:33:03 > 0:33:05Victoria has more on this story in a few minutes time.
0:33:05 > 0:33:08There's been a sharp decline in the number of nurses and midwives
0:33:08 > 0:33:12from the European Union wanting to work in the UK.
0:33:12 > 0:33:15The Nursing and Midwifery Council says there was almost a 90% drop
0:33:15 > 0:33:18in new registrations for EU nurses comparing this year to last year.
0:33:18 > 0:33:20The Department for Health says a rise in training places
0:33:20 > 0:33:26will compensate for the fall.
0:33:26 > 0:33:28Two men have been charged with negligence following the deaths
0:33:28 > 0:33:31of three soldiers during an SAS selection march in
0:33:31 > 0:33:32the Brecon Beacons.
0:33:32 > 0:33:34Craig Roberts, Edward Maher and James Dunsby were taking part
0:33:34 > 0:33:37in a 16-mile recruitment exercise on the hottest day of 2013.
0:33:37 > 0:33:42A coroner ruled they died from neglect.
0:33:42 > 0:33:49They said parts of the planning and conduct in the march was not fit for
0:33:49 > 0:33:49purpose.
0:33:49 > 0:33:57That's a summary of the latest news. Thank you. Vincent has tweeted, on
0:33:57 > 0:34:02the resignation of Michael Fallon, says, that was quick, there must be
0:34:02 > 0:34:06more to this. Another says that he's only gone to the backbench. Janine
0:34:06 > 0:34:11says, below the acceptable level of what is required by the Armed
0:34:11 > 0:34:16Forces? No, by the whole of society. It is interesting to hear your views
0:34:16 > 0:34:20on what Caroline Lucas, the co-leader of the Green Party was
0:34:20 > 0:34:23saying, that there should be mandatory training for MPs to end
0:34:23 > 0:34:29the culture of sexual harassment. Tell us your own views. Hugh is back
0:34:29 > 0:34:31with the sport...
0:34:31 > 0:34:33Spurs beat the 12-time European Champions Real Madrid
0:34:33 > 0:34:36for the first time in one of the best results
0:34:36 > 0:34:37in their history.
0:34:37 > 0:34:39England's Dele Alli scored twice in the 3-1 win at Wembley,
0:34:39 > 0:34:41which takes Tottenham into the knockout stages of this
0:34:41 > 0:34:44season's competition.
0:34:44 > 0:34:46They'll be joined by Manchester City.
0:34:46 > 0:34:49They beat Napoli 4-2 in Italy and there was history for striker
0:34:49 > 0:34:51Sergio Aguero who became the club's record goalscorer
0:34:51 > 0:34:58with his 178th goal for City.
0:34:58 > 0:35:00Liverpool aren't into the last 16 just yet.
0:35:00 > 0:35:03They beat Maribor 3-0 at Anfield to stay top of Group E.
0:35:03 > 0:35:05And the Houston Astros have won baseball's World Series
0:35:05 > 0:35:08for the first time in their history, beating the LA Dodgers 5-1 overnight
0:35:08 > 0:35:09in the series decider.
0:35:09 > 0:35:18They dedicated the win to those affected by Hurricane Harvey.
0:35:18 > 0:35:22That's some of the sport, I'll be back with more just after ten
0:35:22 > 0:35:26o'clock. Thank you. It's just gone 9:30am.
0:35:26 > 0:35:28The need for mental health services has never been greater.
0:35:28 > 0:35:29Talking therapists like counsellors and
0:35:29 > 0:35:31psychotherapists are the people many of us turn
0:35:31 > 0:35:33to when we're at our lowest emotional ebb,
0:35:33 > 0:35:36yet there are concerns over how the industry is regulated.
0:35:36 > 0:35:38As the government launches its consultation paper on the issue,
0:35:38 > 0:35:40our correspondent June Kelly has been investigating what happens
0:35:40 > 0:35:46when things go wrong.
0:35:46 > 0:35:49So June, who are these people who offer this sort of help
0:35:49 > 0:35:52and what sort of rules are they bound by?
0:35:52 > 0:35:56First of all, they are psychiatrists, -- there are
0:35:56 > 0:36:04psychiatrists who are medically qualified and are under the council.
0:36:04 > 0:36:07If you made a complaint, they can arrange penalties and the most
0:36:07 > 0:36:12severe of which is that they are struck off. Psychologists are also
0:36:12 > 0:36:17legally regulated by the health and care professions Council. Then you
0:36:17 > 0:36:21have thousands more councillors and psychotherapists. You could be
0:36:21 > 0:36:25referred to one of those by your GP or sometimes go privately, pay-out
0:36:25 > 0:36:31of your own pocket. These people are not subject to statutory regulation.
0:36:31 > 0:36:37Many are members of organisations, one of the largest is the British
0:36:37 > 0:36:40Association for Counselling and Psychotherapy but they are not
0:36:40 > 0:36:45legally regulated. If you see a or psychotherapist who is not on the
0:36:45 > 0:36:47register but a member of one of those organisations you have
0:36:47 > 0:36:52mentioned and you want to make a complaint about them, what happens?
0:36:52 > 0:37:00You make the complaint and it is heard by a panel. If it is upheld
0:37:00 > 0:37:03they can apply penalties, they cut through the person out of the
0:37:03 > 0:37:06organisation but even if they are thrown out they can continue to
0:37:06 > 0:37:11practice as they are not breaking the law.Bright, so they can set up,
0:37:11 > 0:37:15rebrand and carry on? Exactly. You have spoken to one person who ended
0:37:15 > 0:37:22up in an absolutely terrible state because they were subjected to
0:37:22 > 0:37:27harmful counselling.Yes, that we are calling this lady, Marie, and
0:37:27 > 0:37:30she was subjected to sexual abuse throughout her childhood and into
0:37:30 > 0:37:35her teens. In her 40s, she went and sought help from therapists as
0:37:35 > 0:37:40people are told to do. She had three female therapists who, in some
0:37:40 > 0:37:45sessions, she saw all of them all together which is very unorthodox.
0:37:45 > 0:37:49She was traumatised by the whole experience and it cost her more than
0:37:49 > 0:37:53£30,000. Here, we have her story.
0:37:53 > 0:37:56Well, I was sexually abused, quite, you know, extensively, extreme,
0:37:56 > 0:37:59from age nine through to about 18 and as a result of that I ended up
0:37:59 > 0:38:04seeking therapy in my later years.
0:38:04 > 0:38:06So the therapist that you saw, when you started seeing them,
0:38:06 > 0:38:12did you think, these women know what they're doing?
0:38:12 > 0:38:13Yes.
0:38:13 > 0:38:14Yes.
0:38:14 > 0:38:17They were saying all the right things.
0:38:17 > 0:38:26The identification of how you feel and, you know,
0:38:26 > 0:38:27because it is such a complex area.
0:38:27 > 0:38:31And when did you start to become concerned?
0:38:31 > 0:38:34The sessions were, I can only describe it as horrific.
0:38:34 > 0:38:37The main therapist didn't bother to check out any of my history,
0:38:37 > 0:38:39so she knew nothing about me.
0:38:39 > 0:38:43She knew nothing about the abuse in any shape or form.
0:38:43 > 0:38:46There was three of them.
0:38:46 > 0:38:54There was the therapist sat directly in front of me,
0:38:54 > 0:38:57so close in my face, and the other two at the side of me.
0:38:57 > 0:39:01I wasn't allowed to cross my legs, so every time I crossed my legs,
0:39:01 > 0:39:03the therapist would knock them back over.
0:39:03 > 0:39:08This went on for about ten minutes and then she actually got hold
0:39:08 > 0:39:11of me, holding my arms, started breathing in my face,
0:39:11 > 0:39:15looking in my eyes.
0:39:15 > 0:39:17She was so close, it was very, very intimidating, body
0:39:17 > 0:39:20space being invaded.
0:39:20 > 0:39:25Anything to do with breathing, I've got, you know, such a reaction
0:39:25 > 0:39:28to it because it reminds me of sexual assaults
0:39:28 > 0:39:33when I was younger.
0:39:33 > 0:39:37I was getting very, very distressed and feeling
0:39:37 > 0:39:42very sick, very ill, shaking, and it's at that point
0:39:42 > 0:39:44they actually brought a sick bowl in because I was
0:39:44 > 0:39:48so distressed and traumatised.
0:39:48 > 0:39:54I was asked by the therapist if I wanted to be given a bath
0:39:54 > 0:39:59by all three as a way of showing nurturing towards me.
0:39:59 > 0:40:01It's beyond words.
0:40:01 > 0:40:04I was in a place of terror.
0:40:04 > 0:40:06But when you went back after the first session...
0:40:06 > 0:40:08Yes.
0:40:08 > 0:40:10..despite what they'd done to you, is that an indication
0:40:10 > 0:40:14of how fragile you were?
0:40:14 > 0:40:16That you still went back, even though they'd done
0:40:16 > 0:40:18dreadful things to you?
0:40:18 > 0:40:21Yes.
0:40:21 > 0:40:23I mean, you go back, you know?
0:40:23 > 0:40:26It wasn't to say I wasn't feeling alarm bells,
0:40:26 > 0:40:29something's not quite right, but I had no recollection at that
0:40:29 > 0:40:31point of the severity of what they'd actually done.
0:40:31 > 0:40:34And on that point you made complaints against all of them,
0:40:34 > 0:40:37all three of them?
0:40:37 > 0:40:43I did, yes.
0:40:43 > 0:40:49I did e-mail one of the therapists to establish what type of therapy,
0:40:49 > 0:40:52what type of modality have you used on me that's left me
0:40:52 > 0:40:57feeling so traumatised?
0:40:57 > 0:41:00I then put, through the help of a professional therapist
0:41:00 > 0:41:04and her supervisor, an e-mail together starting to ask questions.
0:41:04 > 0:41:08You know, who are you registered with?
0:41:08 > 0:41:12I actually included all three complaints
0:41:12 > 0:41:15to all three organisations, so they were all fully
0:41:15 > 0:41:16aware that all three were being complaint against.
0:41:16 > 0:41:20And what was the outcome of those complaints?
0:41:20 > 0:41:25Initially the therapist said that I was on a vengeful rage.
0:41:25 > 0:41:29They ran the hearing with four out of five of the allegations upheld
0:41:29 > 0:41:33into the next hearing.
0:41:33 > 0:41:41I had to present my own case, question the therapist.
0:41:41 > 0:41:46It's a very, very intense situation.
0:41:46 > 0:41:54It was heartening that I'd been believed in its entirety.
0:41:54 > 0:41:56Sadly for me, that organisation hadn't followed it's fitness
0:41:56 > 0:42:03to practise procedures in the hearing.
0:42:03 > 0:42:05Therefore the therapist appealed and a separate hearing was held
0:42:05 > 0:42:08without me there and six months later and the suspension
0:42:08 > 0:42:11was withdrawn.
0:42:11 > 0:42:13So all these three women then continue to practice?
0:42:13 > 0:42:15Yes, yep.
0:42:15 > 0:42:16It is appalling.
0:42:16 > 0:42:18It's disgraceful.
0:42:18 > 0:42:22It's...
0:42:22 > 0:42:30They've caused me so much harm and yet any sanction or any...
0:42:30 > 0:42:33It just wasn't there because the sanctions they give,
0:42:33 > 0:42:36it's just like a slap on the wrist and yet they've come along,
0:42:36 > 0:42:40you know, really messed up somebody's life and then just gone.
0:42:40 > 0:42:43And you wouldn't want anybody else to go through it?
0:42:43 > 0:42:45No, absolutely not.
0:42:45 > 0:42:48You know, most therapists are ethical, but for the ones that
0:42:48 > 0:42:51aren't and there's quite a few out there, there's no deterrent.
0:42:51 > 0:42:53I think it would break most people and, you know,
0:42:53 > 0:42:56they've been broken once, that's why they're going to therapy.
0:42:56 > 0:43:05It's heartbreaking to imagine that they could end up
0:43:05 > 0:43:08in a situation that just puts further harm on to the harm they've
0:43:08 > 0:43:18already had through no fault of their own.
0:43:18 > 0:43:21So, how do you know if you can trust your therapist?
0:43:21 > 0:43:24Here to discuss whether there needs to be better regulation
0:43:24 > 0:43:26of the therapy industry is Marjorie Wallace from SANE,
0:43:26 > 0:43:28Ben Bradshaw MP who sits on the Commons Health Committee,
0:43:28 > 0:43:30and Gary Fereday, the Chief Executive
0:43:30 > 0:43:33of the British Psychoanalytic Council.
0:43:33 > 0:43:38Your reaction to that story first of all?It's absolutely horrific,
0:43:38 > 0:43:44obviously. But my reaction is, we find that you do not have too have
0:43:44 > 0:43:47such extreme damage. Therapies have side effects, like medication. Some
0:43:47 > 0:43:53of them are healing and sometimes they can do damage, much more subtle
0:43:53 > 0:43:58than that. They can divide families and make a person turn against the
0:43:58 > 0:44:05people caring for them. That is an awful case but we come across
0:44:05 > 0:44:09something that takes a longer time to unravel. There is very little
0:44:09 > 0:44:14recourse.We will come to that, and Ben Bradshaw, what about you?That
0:44:14 > 0:44:19interview will you did with June Kelly earlier on and that sums up
0:44:19 > 0:44:23why it is time to regulate these areas properly. Statutory
0:44:23 > 0:44:27regulation, I do not think the current system is working. I've had
0:44:27 > 0:44:31a distressing case in my own constituency which is how I
0:44:31 > 0:44:34originally got involved. The government hates regulating and more
0:44:34 > 0:44:40regulation but we have learned MPs need regulating, the BBC needs
0:44:40 > 0:44:43regulating, all big organisations and professions need independent
0:44:43 > 0:44:49regulation to be healthy.Gary, what is the point of your organisation,
0:44:53 > 0:44:58? Hull what I have seen there is appalling, it's incredibly
0:44:58 > 0:45:03unorthodox. How do you regulate them?We have a public register and
0:45:03 > 0:45:10maintain set standards of ethical codes.How many are registered with
0:45:10 > 0:45:16you?We have a niche body, there are only about 1500 of us, we are quite
0:45:16 > 0:45:20a small body.What checks do you make on them before they register?
0:45:20 > 0:45:25Everybody has to go through one of our trainings, which is highly
0:45:25 > 0:45:31regarded. Hubei? Within the wider mental health field, many of our
0:45:31 > 0:45:36leading registers are senior academic posts in leading
0:45:36 > 0:45:40universities. It is an evidence -based form of psychotherapy.How
0:45:40 > 0:45:46much do they pay you to be on your register?About £250 per year to be
0:45:46 > 0:45:50on our register.Under what circumstances would you not renew a
0:45:50 > 0:45:54registration, or would you strike them off the register?That case
0:45:54 > 0:45:58I've just seen, without knowing all of the details, it seems an absolute
0:45:58 > 0:46:02case for striking someone off without doubt but we can apply a
0:46:02 > 0:46:06range of sanctions and, as Marjorie was saying, some of these issues are
0:46:06 > 0:46:14more subtle. Sometimes asking someone to do more training or have
0:46:14 > 0:46:18increased supervision.How many have you removed from your register?In
0:46:18 > 0:46:21recent years we've had two complete removals and there are a range of
0:46:21 > 0:46:25other people.Have they rebranded and set up again?I'm not entirely
0:46:25 > 0:46:31certain in those two cases.They could do, that is the point?
0:46:31 > 0:46:35Absolutely, it's a real problem in the profession.But aren't you part
0:46:35 > 0:46:39of the problem? There are so many organisations like you where people
0:46:39 > 0:46:43can pay 250 quid to be on your register. And, you know, they could
0:46:43 > 0:46:56be doing all sorts to patients.
0:46:56 > 0:47:02They could be.Are you not part of the problem?We are now
0:47:02 > 0:47:05collaborating and trying to set some clearer boundaries and there are
0:47:05 > 0:47:11some real issues on definition on what is psychotherapy.What is the
0:47:11 > 0:47:15point of view if someone you think is damaging the page and come you
0:47:15 > 0:47:19can clear them off your register and they can go somewhere else and start
0:47:19 > 0:47:23again?They could do, but if we could collaborate more closely with
0:47:23 > 0:47:28other bodies and work more closely with the government, which we have
0:47:28 > 0:47:33done...They can rebrand again whether you collaborate or not.They
0:47:33 > 0:47:40can and we recognise that. That is for the government to do.You would
0:47:40 > 0:47:45welcome it?We would look at it with real interest because it is a
0:47:45 > 0:47:51complicated issue.It does not sound it.The complexity is what is
0:47:51 > 0:47:55counsellor and what is a psychotherapist? There are some real
0:47:55 > 0:47:59great areas. That is not to say we are against statutory regulation,
0:47:59 > 0:48:02but it needs thought and we would welcome the opportunity to work
0:48:02 > 0:48:06closer with the government to get it right.Marjorie, what needs to
0:48:06 > 0:48:11change?We need to have statutory regulation, but you have got about
0:48:11 > 0:48:2260,000 odd therapists and they ruled themselves which is a problem. It is
0:48:22 > 0:48:26like a random crowd with different agendas, needs, skills and outcomes
0:48:26 > 0:48:31and it is very hard to measure success. Success could be one person
0:48:31 > 0:48:36getting out of bed and going to the shop, or a person has turned their
0:48:36 > 0:48:40life over. If you are physically ill, you can measure whether you get
0:48:40 > 0:48:45better. If you are mentally disturbed, it is hard to measure the
0:48:45 > 0:48:48success, so different bodies have different ideas of what is success
0:48:48 > 0:48:55and failure. But what we ought to be able to do is to be able to have
0:48:55 > 0:48:59some way that, not the bodies themselves, if it is one skill or
0:48:59 > 0:49:05one psychodynamic, it is not them who should be registering them, it
0:49:05 > 0:49:10should be somebody else above them monitoring what is going on.
0:49:10 > 0:49:13Legislation is not necessarily a panacea, but why do you think it
0:49:13 > 0:49:19would read the sector, the industry, of the rogue therapists?Because of
0:49:19 > 0:49:24all the arguments we have heard. To be fair to Gary, his organisation is
0:49:24 > 0:49:28a good one and they are doing what they can, but Marjorie has
0:49:28 > 0:49:33highlighted some of the challengers. It is I diverse sector, it is huge,
0:49:33 > 0:49:38there are different types of therapies and counsellors and they
0:49:38 > 0:49:41believe in different things. Regulation would be expensive and
0:49:41 > 0:49:45would cost money, statutory regulation always costs money, but
0:49:45 > 0:49:48we have learned in our country regulation is important and you have
0:49:48 > 0:49:59to pay for it if you
0:50:07 > 0:50:10want the patients and the public to have confidence that when they see
0:50:10 > 0:50:12someone they will get good treatment. If they do not there is a
0:50:12 > 0:50:15proper complaints process and action can be taken. This is a revolving
0:50:15 > 0:50:17door in my own constituent's case, this therapist was struck off and
0:50:17 > 0:50:20they continued operating. At the moment I do not think the powers are
0:50:20 > 0:50:22significant enough. The government wants to regulate less, but in this
0:50:22 > 0:50:24area where people are so vulnerable and where they see a psychotherapist
0:50:24 > 0:50:26or a counsellor, they are in particular need to have confidence
0:50:26 > 0:50:31in the system they are involved in and that it is safe.Thank you for
0:50:31 > 0:50:34coming on the programme.
0:50:34 > 0:50:35Coming up.
0:50:35 > 0:50:38As new figures are released of children referred to social
0:50:38 > 0:50:40services, we'll be talking to people who've had positive
0:50:40 > 0:50:45experiences of the system.
0:50:45 > 0:50:46Some positive stories about social workers.
0:50:46 > 0:50:47Some positive stories about social workers.
0:50:47 > 0:50:50We've become used to cheap borrowing and poor returns on savings.
0:50:50 > 0:50:53That's because the Bank of England - which sets interest rates -
0:50:53 > 0:50:55hasn't put them up for ten years.
0:50:55 > 0:50:57That's expected to change today, with rates likely to increase
0:50:57 > 0:50:59from their historic low of 0.25%.
0:50:59 > 0:51:02So what does it mean?
0:51:02 > 0:51:09In short, a rate rise is good for savers, but bad for borrowers.
0:51:09 > 0:51:12So if you're NOT on a fixed rate mortgage, you might well
0:51:12 > 0:51:15see your payments go up, but if you've got savings -
0:51:15 > 0:51:18expect a little bit more coming back to you in your interest payments.
0:51:18 > 0:51:21Now before we talk to our guests - have a think back to where
0:51:21 > 0:51:25you were when interest rates last went up.
0:51:29 > 0:51:31One of the first things you'll notice about
0:51:31 > 0:51:37the iPhone is its simple design.
0:52:07 > 0:52:10With us in the studio is a Bronwyn Curtis,
0:52:10 > 0:52:18an economist who can explain what the members of the MPC will be
0:52:18 > 0:52:23thinking, and via Skype let's talk to a couple of viewers -
0:52:23 > 0:52:31Carole who has savings.
0:52:31 > 0:52:36Hello, how are these decisions made? There are nine members of the
0:52:36 > 0:52:40monetary policy committee and some of them worked at the Bank of
0:52:40 > 0:52:44England and some are external members and each of them has an
0:52:44 > 0:52:49individual vote. Last month they voted 7-2 against raising rates, or
0:52:49 > 0:52:54making any changes to monetary policy. But the Bank of England
0:52:54 > 0:52:58Governor, Mark Carney, has been signalling, and other members of the
0:52:58 > 0:53:02committee have been signalling that perhaps it is time to take the foot
0:53:02 > 0:53:07a little bit off the accelerator. They are not saying they are taking
0:53:07 > 0:53:12it up completely, but just to put rates up a little bit.What do they
0:53:12 > 0:53:16take into account before making their decision? What areas of the
0:53:16 > 0:53:23economy are they looking at?The main thing is they have a target for
0:53:23 > 0:53:29inflation, 2%. They have not met it. It was 1% a year ago and now it is
0:53:29 > 0:53:33up to 3% mostly because the pound has dropped and the goods we are
0:53:33 > 0:53:39importing like cheese or olives, I'm much more expensive. It has risen to
0:53:39 > 0:53:443% and it is still rising. But they look at the target over the longer
0:53:44 > 0:53:49term, so that is not the big issue. Unemployment is at a 40 year low and
0:53:49 > 0:53:57they put in place an emergency rate cut of 0.25% just after the Brexit
0:53:57 > 0:54:00referendum because they were worried that spending might collapse, people
0:54:00 > 0:54:04might be so worried. That did not happen, whether it was because of
0:54:04 > 0:54:09the rate cut or it was not going to happen anyway we are not sure. I
0:54:09 > 0:54:15think they think it is time to take a little bit of that easing, or that
0:54:15 > 0:54:21acceleration of monetary policy, out of the system. I agree.Let me bring
0:54:21 > 0:54:28in Carol. You are savoured. You would like to see interest rates go
0:54:28 > 0:54:35up I am assuming? I do not want to put that in your mind.Definitely
0:54:35 > 0:54:38and my daughter is saving for a house and she would like interest
0:54:38 > 0:54:43rates to go up, I definitely want them to go up.What difference would
0:54:43 > 0:54:49that make to you?It would not make a huge difference because I do not
0:54:49 > 0:54:53think they are going up hugely, but it would be a little bit extra on
0:54:53 > 0:54:59the savings we have got. I am still working and everything, but I also
0:54:59 > 0:55:03think it would help encourage people to save something. My other children
0:55:03 > 0:55:06do not see the point in saving at the moment because they do not get
0:55:06 > 0:55:11anything on their money when they put it away.You may as well put it
0:55:11 > 0:55:18under your pillow because rates are so low. But as an economist, Bronwyn
0:55:18 > 0:55:20Curtis, if they put the interest rates up to 0.5%, what difference
0:55:20 > 0:55:28does it make? Does that really encourage people to save more and?
0:55:28 > 0:55:34Does that slow inflation?It sends a message to start with. Ten years ago
0:55:34 > 0:55:39when they cut rates we were facing a situation globally of perhaps
0:55:39 > 0:55:43deviation and prices falling and recession and so on. That is not
0:55:43 > 0:55:48happening. In terms of the impact, any increase in rates have some
0:55:48 > 0:55:53impact. But 90% of new mortgages are on fixed rate and across the whole
0:55:53 > 0:56:01of the housing stock, so in all of the mortgages it is just under 60%.
0:56:01 > 0:56:07It will have an effect but not that much.If you are on a tracker rate
0:56:07 > 0:56:11or a standard variable only then will you be affected if they go up
0:56:11 > 0:56:18today?Unless they decide it is not just one rate hike and they might do
0:56:18 > 0:56:23more in the future and there is talk of one earlier next year. But it is
0:56:23 > 0:56:27not like other cycles. The world is not like it was before the financial
0:56:27 > 0:56:34crisis. In the past they would have put rates up several times in quick
0:56:34 > 0:56:38succession to dampen inflation and to get back to their target. No one
0:56:38 > 0:56:45is expecting that this time.So you said you think it is time for them
0:56:45 > 0:56:49to go up.Why do you think that? When we look at what has been
0:56:49 > 0:56:55happening all the benefits of low rates have pushed in. The economy is
0:56:55 > 0:56:59OK, it is not fantastic, it is OK. And we have seen money instead of
0:56:59 > 0:57:04going into savings and such, they have been going into houses and we
0:57:04 > 0:57:10have seen money going into houses and house prices are overvalued,
0:57:10 > 0:57:14stock markets are overvalued and savers have been putting their money
0:57:14 > 0:57:18into more risky things to get the return they want. We are at the
0:57:18 > 0:57:23point where some of the negative impact is greater than the benefits.
0:57:23 > 0:57:27Taking a little bit back now is probably the right thing to do.
0:57:27 > 0:57:32Carroll, thank you very much. You will hear the news on BBC News at
0:57:32 > 0:57:40midday. If you have a mortgage, something like 150,000 lower, if it
0:57:40 > 0:57:45goes at a quarter of a percent you will be paying between £20 and £40
0:57:45 > 0:57:50extra a month. That will affect some of you absolutely. Let me know your
0:57:50 > 0:57:54views. News and sport at ten o'clock, before that coming here is
0:57:54 > 0:57:55the weather.
0:58:00 > 0:58:03We have had a whole range of temperatures this morning and we
0:58:03 > 0:58:08have a weather front heading south and under that it has been cloudy
0:58:08 > 0:58:14and we have had patchy rain. As well as that, we have also got some fog
0:58:14 > 0:58:20in the forecast in Dumfries and Galloway and in the southern
0:58:20 > 0:58:26counties. It should clear in the next hour or so. We have also had
0:58:26 > 0:58:34some beautiful blue skies and a hole in the cloud in Wales led to that.
0:58:34 > 0:58:38It is sinking southwards, taking the rain with it, and behind it are
0:58:38 > 0:58:43brighter conditions. Much drier in Northern Ireland, Scotland and
0:58:43 > 0:58:50northern England. It will not feel as warm as it did yesterday.
0:58:50 > 0:58:55Meanwhile, the weather front moves south and it will lift the fog. We
0:58:55 > 0:59:01are looking at a bright afternoon rather than a sunny one. As you head
0:59:01 > 0:59:04towards the south coast, there will be some sunny spells in the
0:59:04 > 0:59:10forecast. It is the same in southern counties generally. It will be
0:59:10 > 0:59:15bright rather than sunny. This weather front produces thicker cloud
0:59:15 > 0:59:23with the odd spot of rain, but further north the sun comes out. For
0:59:23 > 0:59:29Scotland we are looking at a maximum of eight or nine. In the North East
0:59:29 > 0:59:33yesterday they reached 15. For Northern Ireland it is brightening
0:59:33 > 0:59:38up all the time, Belfast getting up to about 11. South Wales is still
0:59:38 > 0:59:43under the influence of the weather front, but sunshine will come out in
0:59:43 > 0:59:49North Wales. Overnight the weather front moves a little bit further
0:59:49 > 0:59:55north, taking some patchy rain with it. By the end of the night we have
0:59:55 > 0:59:59got the next weather front coming in across north-west Scotland. Tomorrow
0:59:59 > 1:00:04that will bring in some rain with strengthening winds. The fog will
1:00:04 > 1:00:08lift through the course of the morning and foremost it will be a
1:00:08 > 1:00:12largely dry day through daylight hours. Later in the day we will see
1:00:12 > 1:00:16more rain sweep in from the south-west and that will move north
1:00:16 > 1:00:22eastwards and join the weather front coming south. Saturday morning will
1:00:22 > 1:00:26be quite wet with this band of rain continuing to slowly edged towards
1:00:26 > 1:00:31the east. The time of this might change, so keep in touch with the
1:00:31 > 1:00:36forecast. It will also be a blustery day with showers from the West and
1:00:36 > 1:00:41that leads into Sunday. A ridge of high pressure built in and things
1:00:41 > 1:00:48will settle down and it will be a dry end to the day.
1:00:48 > 1:00:51Thank you so much, Carol.
1:00:51 > 1:00:52Hello, it's Thursday 2nd November, it's 10 o'clock,
1:00:52 > 1:00:54I'm Victoria Derbyshire.
1:00:54 > 1:00:56Defence Secretary Sir Michael Fallon resigns as allegations of sexual
1:00:56 > 1:00:58harassment and abuse at Westminster continue to build,
1:00:58 > 1:01:00including a leaked dossier of allegations against dozens of MPs.
1:01:00 > 1:01:04Conservative MP Michael Fabricant was among them.
1:01:04 > 1:01:10They told me I was on this list. I was incredulous. I looked over the
1:01:10 > 1:01:15list of wrongdoings, I did not have the names of the MPs at that stage,
1:01:15 > 1:01:19I could not recognise anything that could have had anything remotely to
1:01:19 > 1:01:23do with me. The following day, somebody sent me, because they found
1:01:23 > 1:01:29it on Twitter which is the problem, the unredacted list. What did it say
1:01:29 > 1:01:32about me? But I had been inappropriate with a male journalist
1:01:32 > 1:01:38in a taxi. -- that I had been inappropriate.
1:01:38 > 1:01:42We'll bring you the latest on the fallout.
1:01:42 > 1:01:46Caroline Lucas says that mandatory training should be introduced to get
1:01:46 > 1:01:50rid of the culture. Your thoughts on that welcome.
1:01:50 > 1:01:53The number of EU nurses registering to work in Britain has dropped
1:01:53 > 1:01:54by almost 90% since the Brexit vote.
1:01:54 > 1:01:58So what can be done to make sure nurses aren't put off working here?
1:01:58 > 1:02:01We'll speak to one nurse from Spain who's been here for over 17 years
1:02:01 > 1:02:01-
1:02:01 > 1:02:03and now says his future is uncertain.
1:02:03 > 1:02:05The "black death" plague that's killed over 100 people
1:02:05 > 1:02:09and infected more than 1,000 in Madagscar -
1:02:09 > 1:02:12nine countries have issued plague warnings as fears
1:02:12 > 1:02:13the disease will spread by air.
1:02:13 > 1:02:23We'll speak to people there.
1:02:26 > 1:02:28let's have a look at the latest news.
1:02:28 > 1:02:31Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of todays news.
1:02:31 > 1:02:33The Defence Secretary Sir Michael Fallon has resigned
1:02:33 > 1:02:35following accusations of inappropriate sexual behaviour.
1:02:35 > 1:02:38He said his conduct had fallen short of the high standards expected -
1:02:38 > 1:02:40he is the first politician to quit following wider claims of sexual
1:02:40 > 1:02:45harrassment at Westminster.
1:02:45 > 1:02:48Talking to this programme, the Green party co-leader Caroline Lucas says
1:02:48 > 1:02:50more drastic action is needed...
1:02:50 > 1:02:55We need to change the culture. One of the things that really struck me
1:02:55 > 1:02:59about what Michael Fallon said was that some of this behaviour might
1:02:59 > 1:03:04have been appropriate ten years ago. Well, no it wasn't. It wasn't then
1:03:04 > 1:03:09and it certainly is not now. That's why I've been calling as well for
1:03:09 > 1:03:12some training for an', it sounds ludicrous that that is necessary but
1:03:12 > 1:03:16we have seen so many cases where professional boundaries have not
1:03:16 > 1:03:21been respected that some kind of mandatory training to bring all MPs
1:03:21 > 1:03:25up to speed with what is unacceptable level of behaviour will
1:03:25 > 1:03:30not go amiss in Parliament.
1:03:30 > 1:03:32President Trump has called for the death penalty
1:03:32 > 1:03:34for Sayfullo Saipov - the man accused of killing eight
1:03:34 > 1:03:37people in New York by driving at them with a truck.
1:03:37 > 1:03:40In a tweet, the president claimed Saipov, who was shot and wounded
1:03:40 > 1:03:43by police at the scene, had asked to hang an Islamic State
1:03:43 > 1:03:45flag in his hospital room.
1:03:45 > 1:03:48The state of New York has outlawed the death penalty,
1:03:48 > 1:03:51but that can be overruled by the US government for a federal
1:03:51 > 1:03:52crime such as this.
1:03:52 > 1:03:53Meanwhile, Saipov - a 29-year-old originally
1:03:53 > 1:03:56from Uzbekistan who's been living legally in the US for seven
1:03:56 > 1:03:58years - has been charged with terrorism offences.
1:03:58 > 1:04:00Law enforcement officials have been giving reporters
1:04:00 > 1:04:06more details about him:
1:04:06 > 1:04:08Saipov allegedly admitted that he was inspired to commit
1:04:08 > 1:04:11the attack by the Isis videos he watched, and had been planning
1:04:11 > 1:04:14this attack for two months.
1:04:14 > 1:04:17There's been a sharp decline in the number of nurses and midwives
1:04:17 > 1:04:23from the European Union wanting to work in the UK.
1:04:23 > 1:04:27The Nursing and Midwifery Council says there was almost a 90% drop
1:04:27 > 1:04:30in new registrations for EU nurses comparing this year to last year.
1:04:30 > 1:04:32The Department for Health says a rise in training places
1:04:32 > 1:04:35will compensate for the fall.
1:04:35 > 1:04:37Two men have been charged with negligence following the deaths
1:04:37 > 1:04:39of three soldiers in the Brecon Beacons during
1:04:39 > 1:04:43an SAS selection march.
1:04:43 > 1:04:45Craig Roberts, Edward Maher and James Dunsby were taking part
1:04:45 > 1:04:48in a 16-mile recruitment exercise on the hottest day of 2013.
1:04:48 > 1:04:50All had suffered from hyperthermia and a coroner ruled
1:04:50 > 1:04:58they died from neglect.
1:04:58 > 1:05:01Interest rates could be about to rise for the first
1:05:01 > 1:05:02time in ten years.
1:05:02 > 1:05:05It's expected the Bank of England will confirm the move later today.
1:05:05 > 1:05:08Economists say it would mean the cost of some mortgages would go
1:05:08 > 1:05:10up, but savers should see better returns on their money.
1:05:10 > 1:05:18The Bank of England says any rise would be 'modest'.
1:05:18 > 1:05:21That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.30.
1:05:21 > 1:05:26A couple of comments from you on various subjects on the programme
1:05:26 > 1:05:31today. On therapists and their regulation, Martin tweeted that as a
1:05:31 > 1:05:33professional psychotherapist he's called for statutory regulation for
1:05:33 > 1:05:36over 20 years but the government doesn't seem to want it.
1:05:36 > 1:05:41Gail said today that she only found out about nonregulation of
1:05:41 > 1:05:46therapists through the programme, and someone else said that the story
1:05:46 > 1:05:50is terrifying and they look forward to for regulation. Caroline Lucas
1:05:50 > 1:05:55said that there should be mandatory training for an' to get rid of the
1:05:55 > 1:06:01sexual harassment culture at Westminster -- training for NPs.
1:06:01 > 1:06:10Someone says, if you do not know how to conduct yourself, you should not
1:06:10 > 1:06:14be in office. Someone else said that it's a ridiculous idea but Karen
1:06:14 > 1:06:18says listening to these recommendations that MPs need
1:06:18 > 1:06:21training, she believes it should be implemented and should be part of
1:06:21 > 1:06:26all company inductions in public and private sectors. I agree that the
1:06:26 > 1:06:30boundaries do need to be clearly set out. If you are getting in touch,
1:06:30 > 1:06:35send us a tweet on Twitter, use the hashtag Victoria live.
1:06:35 > 1:06:39If you text, we will have two charge. Sorry about that. Let's have
1:06:39 > 1:06:44a look at the sport...
1:06:44 > 1:06:46We are reflecting on a fantastic night for Tottenham
1:06:46 > 1:06:47whose Wembley hoo-doo is well and truly over.
1:06:56 > 1:06:58They beat the Champions League holders
1:06:58 > 1:07:00Real Madrid for the first time in their history with
1:07:00 > 1:07:01a dominant 3-1 victory.
1:07:01 > 1:07:03Two goals came from England's Dele Alli,
1:07:03 > 1:07:05with Christian Eriksen sealing the win with the third.
1:07:05 > 1:07:07Mauricio Pochettino's side have now reached the last 16
1:07:07 > 1:07:08with two games to spare.
1:07:08 > 1:07:10Yes, of course, so happy.
1:07:10 > 1:07:15Very pleased for the performance, the performance was fantastic.
1:07:15 > 1:07:18I think it's an important victory, victory for the club,
1:07:18 > 1:07:24for the fans, for the players, for everyone.
1:07:24 > 1:07:30I think, yes, so happy after tonight.
1:07:30 > 1:07:32He could barely control his excitement there.
1:07:32 > 1:07:35It was a night of history for Manchester City's Sergio Aguero
1:07:35 > 1:07:37who broke the club's goal-scoring record to also put them
1:07:37 > 1:07:39through to the knock-out stages of the Champions League.
1:07:39 > 1:07:45He scored his 178th goal for City, in a 4-2 win at Napoli.
1:07:45 > 1:07:50When one guy achieves what he has achieved,
1:07:50 > 1:07:52so it's just a big congratulations.
1:07:52 > 1:07:53For all his team-mates he played with, managers,
1:07:53 > 1:07:56it's big news for him, so he's a legend.
1:07:56 > 1:07:59For the club, for the history, and enjoy it, so everybody has to be
1:07:59 > 1:08:09so proud of him.
1:08:09 > 1:08:12The perfect English night in Europe was completed by Liverpool
1:08:12 > 1:08:14who were just too good for Maribor.
1:08:14 > 1:08:16After a goalless first half, Mohamad Salah opened the scoring
1:08:16 > 1:08:19with a neat finish off his knee.
1:08:19 > 1:08:21And Daniel Sturridge made it 3-0 right at the end
1:08:21 > 1:08:24to keep Liverpool top of their group.
1:08:24 > 1:08:27Andy Murray will drop out of the world's top ten
1:08:27 > 1:08:29for the first time in three years when the new rankings
1:08:29 > 1:08:31are released next Monday.
1:08:31 > 1:08:33Rafael Nadal will end the year as world number one.
1:08:33 > 1:08:36At the Paris Masters, Jack Sock ended Kyle Edmund's season.
1:08:36 > 1:08:38The British number three served for the match twice,
1:08:38 > 1:08:46but lost two tie-breaks to go down in three sets.
1:08:46 > 1:08:48Some news from Australia, where England's cricketers
1:08:48 > 1:08:50are preparing for their first Ashes warm-up match.
1:08:50 > 1:08:52Steven Finn and Moeen Ali are injured and won't feature
1:08:52 > 1:08:55in the game against the Western Australia 11 in Perth
1:08:55 > 1:09:03which starts on Saturday.
1:09:03 > 1:09:05The Houston Astros have won baseball's World Series
1:09:05 > 1:09:11for the first time, beating the LA Dodgers 5-1 in the deciding game.
1:09:11 > 1:09:15Astros' George Springer was awarded MVP after he became the first player
1:09:15 > 1:09:18to hit home runs in four successive World Series games, helping
1:09:18 > 1:09:21them to a 4-3 triumph.
1:09:21 > 1:09:27They said they'd won it for the people of Houston.
1:09:27 > 1:09:29Afterwards, the players dedicated the win to the people of Houston
1:09:29 > 1:09:31affected by Hurricane Harvey a few months ago.
1:09:31 > 1:09:38My mum was born in 1962. Before she was born, the franchise was formed.
1:09:38 > 1:09:41This is our first championship, it's been 55 years that we've been
1:09:41 > 1:09:48waiting!I cannot believe it is over. I... I just can't. We deserve
1:09:48 > 1:09:52it. We've gone through a really hard time in Houston but more importantly
1:09:52 > 1:09:55these guys have worked really hard and they are bringing it home to
1:09:55 > 1:10:01Houston!
1:10:01 > 1:10:04Plenty of celebrations there over the coming days. More coming up
1:10:04 > 1:10:09later on.
1:10:09 > 1:10:13In the next few minutes, we are expecting to find out who the next
1:10:13 > 1:10:15Defence Secretary will be.
1:10:15 > 1:10:16Sir Michael Fallon resigned following accusations
1:10:16 > 1:10:17of inappropriate sexual behaviour.
1:10:17 > 1:10:20He stood down after it was revealed he had repeatedly put his hand
1:10:20 > 1:10:23on a journalist's knee during a dinner in 2002.
1:10:23 > 1:10:27He said himself, he apologised, and he said that his behaviour had not
1:10:27 > 1:10:31met the required standards in the past. Norman Smith is that the
1:10:31 > 1:10:38Ministry of Defence in Whitehall. Hello, there.Hello, we are waiting
1:10:38 > 1:10:42for the new Secretary of State to arrive, we are told he will shake
1:10:42 > 1:10:43hands
1:10:46 > 1:10:51at the Ministry of Defence. You get the sense that Downing Street are
1:10:51 > 1:10:54moving quickly, this departure of Michael Fallon has created an
1:10:54 > 1:10:59element of the wobbles as he is one of the mainstays of the Cabinet. A
1:10:59 > 1:11:03long serving minister with bags of experience. Providing a degree of
1:11:03 > 1:11:07stability. His departure matters big time Number 10 will want to fill
1:11:07 > 1:11:14that post quickly. Of course, too, his departure now to some extent
1:11:14 > 1:11:18raises the bar pretty high for other ministers because Sir Michael Fallon
1:11:18 > 1:11:22said that he felt he had to go because incidents in the past, ten
1:11:22 > 1:11:29or 15 years ago which were thought were OK then are not OK now. The
1:11:29 > 1:11:32standard is pretty high for other ministers he could face similar
1:11:32 > 1:11:37allegations and all of this is at a time where we know that Theresa
1:11:37 > 1:11:41May's premiership is a bit fragile. The government is being battered by
1:11:41 > 1:11:46Brexit and it is a very difficult time for ministers. The name of the
1:11:46 > 1:11:51game is to move quickly, try and get some stability back into the Cabinet
1:11:51 > 1:11:56and try and get on top of the current controversy whirling around
1:11:56 > 1:12:00Westminster over the sexual harassment claims where
1:12:00 > 1:12:03interestingly we heard from Ruth Davidson, the leader of the Scottish
1:12:03 > 1:12:07Tories last night saying, look, there has to be more house clearing,
1:12:07 > 1:12:12we've got to clear out the stables, and this morning, the former cabinet
1:12:12 > 1:12:15minister Iain Duncan Smith said Theresa May needed to rule with a
1:12:15 > 1:12:25rod of iron and not tolerate other indiscretions. Have a listen...
1:12:25 > 1:12:28I am told categorically that she was, how can I put it,
1:12:28 > 1:12:31very clear when she spoke to the cabinet about what she plans
1:12:31 > 1:12:33to do and what she wants to do.
1:12:33 > 1:12:36I think that clarity leaves various members of the cabinet
1:12:36 > 1:12:38and of the party generally to recognise whatever limitations
1:12:38 > 1:12:40there were about their behaviour in the past and to decide
1:12:40 > 1:12:42whether or not they met the standards.
1:12:42 > 1:12:44Clearly Michael Fallon felt that was not the case.
1:12:44 > 1:12:47He took therefore a decision to resign, but I think the key
1:12:47 > 1:12:57element is not so much on Michael Fallon's decision,
1:13:03 > 1:13:06but it is the reason for that decision and that reason was that
1:13:06 > 1:13:09Theresa May has made it very clear, I know for a fact she feels very
1:13:09 > 1:13:12strongly about this, that we have to lead in Parliament
1:13:12 > 1:13:14on this so that others themselves recognise that they have
1:13:14 > 1:13:16to put their own houses in order.
1:13:16 > 1:13:20I am casting my eyes along the street, I still cannot see the new
1:13:20 > 1:13:23Secretary of State, we may have to wait a bit longer but I think we
1:13:23 > 1:13:27know that it is probably going to be a promotion into the Cabinet as
1:13:27 > 1:13:32Number 10 say that Theresa May does not want to start a major reshuffle
1:13:32 > 1:13:36by moving people around inside of the Cabinet. There will probably be
1:13:36 > 1:13:41a promotion into the Cabinet. One temptation may be to promote the
1:13:41 > 1:13:45first female Defence Secretary which may be seen as a smart move in this
1:13:45 > 1:13:50current climate. Wanted that, just a little too of Rory Stewart, a
1:13:50 > 1:13:58Foreign Office minister going the Cabinet Office earlier, and he has a
1:13:58 > 1:14:02defence background, could he be the new Defence Secretary? We will see.
1:14:02 > 1:14:08As soon as you see them, we will be straight back to you! Thank you. Sam
1:14:08 > 1:14:12Coates is the Deputy political editor at the Times newspaper.
1:14:12 > 1:14:13Pippa Crerar,
1:14:13 > 1:14:14political journalist
1:14:14 > 1:14:17at the London Evening Standard.
1:14:17 > 1:14:23Sam, had you seen a resignation like this in recent times?Know, speaking
1:14:23 > 1:14:26to Tory MPs last night and this morning, what has shocked and
1:14:26 > 1:14:30surprised them and even worried some of them was the way that Michael
1:14:30 > 1:14:35Fallon has gone in contrast to most of the other resignations that I've
1:14:35 > 1:14:39seen in my entire political career, not due to one specific incident but
1:14:39 > 1:14:43because he was worried something might come out, he claims he doesn't
1:14:43 > 1:14:48know what it might be, but he sets the bar so low that he worries that
1:14:48 > 1:14:53there may be further stories about his conduct in the past where he has
1:14:53 > 1:14:56upset female journalists. And it is better to go now rather than face
1:14:56 > 1:15:02the prospect that somebody else could come out and go public. It is
1:15:02 > 1:15:10a hell of a test for the government and Tory MPs, and of all parties.
1:15:10 > 1:15:13You are essentially saying, is there anything in my background that could
1:15:13 > 1:15:19be construed, in any way? I think it is that uncertainty that it creates.
1:15:19 > 1:15:22Iain Duncan Smith almost seems to be suggesting that there could be more
1:15:22 > 1:15:26people to go from the Cabinet. Number 10 are worried that other
1:15:26 > 1:15:29people may have to go further destabilising the party at this
1:15:29 > 1:15:35time. We are in very uncertain times.And pepper, are you expecting
1:15:35 > 1:15:41more resignations from the Cabinet? Ruth Davidson, a senior Conservative
1:15:41 > 1:15:45female politician, last night said it was time to do more house
1:15:45 > 1:15:48cleaning?There are obviously other individuals in the government, not
1:15:48 > 1:15:52just at the Cabinet level, they have investigated their past behaviour is
1:15:52 > 1:15:59and they are being examined by government, by Theresa May, to
1:15:59 > 1:16:03establish whether they have crossed a line. It is such uncertain times,
1:16:03 > 1:16:06there is all sorts of stuff coming out of the woodwork and I would be
1:16:06 > 1:16:12very surprised if this was the end of it. We are all anticipating more
1:16:12 > 1:16:16revelations over the coming days and whether that is at a Cabinet level
1:16:16 > 1:16:20or ministerial, there will be an' across the board really quite
1:16:20 > 1:16:28uncertain as to what the day will hold -- MPs.What does it mean
1:16:28 > 1:16:33practically, what Ruth Davidson suggested?She seems to be leading
1:16:33 > 1:16:39into the idea that we need a clear out from the top down. Let's look at
1:16:39 > 1:16:42what a bigger Cabinet reshuffle would look like. We are dealing with
1:16:42 > 1:16:46possibly one of the weakest governments of my lifetime. After
1:16:46 > 1:16:49Theresa May failed to win an overall majority in the election that she
1:16:49 > 1:16:54did not need to call, she faces the most difficult task a government has
1:16:54 > 1:16:58faced with a party that is completely divided. It isn't easy.
1:16:58 > 1:17:01There are divisions throughout her party over Brexit and in three
1:17:01 > 1:17:05weeks' time the government has to deliver the most confiscated budget
1:17:05 > 1:17:09we have seen without a parliamentary majority and with no money. Any kind
1:17:09 > 1:17:14of move to shuffle the people at the top table will further cause
1:17:14 > 1:17:17instability and make it harder to deal with the kind of rough and
1:17:17 > 1:17:23tumble the politics of the moment will inevitably cause. So, given how
1:17:23 > 1:17:29fragile it is, I'm loathe to make firm predictions but it doesn't feel
1:17:29 > 1:17:32good at the moment. Looking at all of the challenges facing this
1:17:32 > 1:17:38government.
1:17:38 > 1:17:42There is that Cabinet Office investigation into Damian Green, a
1:17:42 > 1:17:46long-standing friend, University College, etc. How does Theresa May
1:17:46 > 1:17:48get a grip on this?
1:17:48 > 1:17:49College, etc. How does Theresa May get a grip on this?It is difficult
1:17:49 > 1:17:53to do and in many ways it is out of her control. These are incidents
1:17:53 > 1:18:00which have been talked about which go back a long time and involve a
1:18:00 > 1:18:04substantial handful of politicians and she has no control as to whether
1:18:04 > 1:18:08they are going to try and come out in advance of any scandal emerging
1:18:08 > 1:18:15about their past, or whether they are going to be unveiled by women or
1:18:15 > 1:18:21other journalists that have been on the receiving end of some of this
1:18:21 > 1:18:25inappropriate behaviour in the past. It is very difficult for her to try
1:18:25 > 1:18:30and get a grip on it. The width's office and her chief of staff and
1:18:30 > 1:18:36his team at number ten are trying very hard to ascertain the full
1:18:36 > 1:18:42extent of this. The reality is none of us really know. I joined the
1:18:42 > 1:18:47lobby in Westminster in 2001 and over those years I have heard so
1:18:47 > 1:18:51many stories, experienced some of that inappropriate behaviour myself,
1:18:51 > 1:18:56and people in the current climate are feeling emboldened to share some
1:18:56 > 1:19:00of those experiences that previously they would not have done.Can I ask
1:19:00 > 1:19:05a brief final question and it is a broader look at society. You used
1:19:05 > 1:19:10the phrase the bar has been set so low because of the resignation of
1:19:10 > 1:19:13Michael Fallon for repeatedly placing his hand on a female
1:19:13 > 1:19:16journalist's me 15 years ago and for saying there may be other things in
1:19:16 > 1:19:23his past. Would anyone else in any other walk of society have to step
1:19:23 > 1:19:27down for anything similar?The difference between Westminster and
1:19:27 > 1:19:32MPs and every other walk of life is that you have in most cases a
1:19:32 > 1:19:35conventional boss. If you did something inappropriate in the
1:19:35 > 1:19:40workplace that stopped short of criminal behaviour but nevertheless
1:19:40 > 1:19:43could be judged inappropriate with you continuing in that job, you
1:19:43 > 1:19:48would be out on your ear. That is not an option at Westminster because
1:19:48 > 1:19:52MPs are answerable to their constituents. If they do something
1:19:52 > 1:19:57that is less than criminal, they are in a grey area and effectively they
1:19:57 > 1:20:01can get away with it. That is the problem we have to tackle and that
1:20:01 > 1:20:05is what they are looking at at the moment and that needs to be
1:20:05 > 1:20:08addressed and it is the thing that distinguishes Westminster from
1:20:08 > 1:20:19everywhere else.Thank you both very much. You know that thing where you
1:20:19 > 1:20:23say any minute now we can reveal the new Defence Secretary because they
1:20:23 > 1:20:28will be walking up Whitehall, it has not happened yet, but as soon as we
1:20:28 > 1:20:31see the new Secretary of State for Defence what it at that very
1:20:31 > 1:20:40pavement right there,.
1:20:40 > 1:20:43Still to come: We'll speak to people in Madagascar where a "black death"
1:20:43 > 1:20:48plague has killed over a hundred people.
1:20:48 > 1:20:51It has infected more than a thousand so far.
1:20:51 > 1:20:54It has infected more than a thousand so far.
1:20:54 > 1:20:57It's a job many say they choose because of a genuine care and desire
1:20:57 > 1:21:00to help children get the best start they can in life, but many social
1:21:00 > 1:21:02workers say they're constantly vilified and criticised
1:21:02 > 1:21:03for their work.
1:21:03 > 1:21:09Latest statistics show...
1:21:09 > 1:21:15Just under 400,000 children are in need of care, a slight drop, at the
1:21:15 > 1:21:20crease of 1.3%. That is good news, however, the number of children on
1:21:20 > 1:21:25the subject of child protection plans has increased slightly to
1:21:25 > 1:21:2751,000, a rise of 1.5% over the past year.
1:21:27 > 1:21:28year.
1:21:28 > 1:21:29We're
1:21:29 > 1:21:31going to bring you some positive
1:21:31 > 1:21:33stories now about social workers and the transformation they can
1:21:33 > 1:21:34bring to children's lives.
1:21:34 > 1:21:37Let's talk now to Ian Thomas who says his social worker
1:21:37 > 1:21:40Steve saved his life, David Akinsanya whose social
1:21:40 > 1:21:42worker Jenni helped him through his teenager years
1:21:42 > 1:21:45into adulthood, and Maris Stratulis is a manager from the British
1:21:45 > 1:21:49Association of Social Workers.
1:21:49 > 1:21:51She says people recognise the contrubutions made
1:21:51 > 1:21:59by firefighters and police officers, but not social workers.
1:21:59 > 1:22:04Welcome all of you. I want to start with Ian in our Birmingham studio.
1:22:04 > 1:22:07Tell us how old you were when you first came into contact with your
1:22:07 > 1:22:14social worker Steve.I entered the care system at nine years old and I
1:22:14 > 1:22:18was 13 when Steve came to be my social worker. He was working for
1:22:18 > 1:22:24the local authority. By this point I was being fostered by an independent
1:22:24 > 1:22:30fostering agency called Foster Care Associates, so my circumstances had
1:22:30 > 1:22:34changed. What made my experience with Steve was that he was
1:22:34 > 1:22:39interesting and interested in me and I felt valued in his company and
1:22:39 > 1:22:42that is what I needed, somebody who plays value on me and responded to
1:22:42 > 1:22:49me, not react to my behaviour.And he helped you in particular when you
1:22:49 > 1:22:56had a real problem with drugs.I would not say at that point in my
1:22:56 > 1:23:01life, no. When I left care I ended up in prison and was in Portland
1:23:01 > 1:23:05Young offenders institution and he visited me and we made contact again
1:23:05 > 1:23:10a further down the line when I sorted myself out. My addiction had
1:23:10 > 1:23:17not taken off entirely at the point Steve was my social worker.Are you
1:23:17 > 1:23:22still in touch with him?Yes, frequently. I spoke to him this
1:23:22 > 1:23:27morning to ask him if we could put the picture on air and he said yes.
1:23:27 > 1:23:31And how important is that to you, the fact you still have that contact
1:23:31 > 1:23:36with him?It is really important because it helps me remember the
1:23:36 > 1:23:41experiences I had when I was a young person because they were so much
1:23:41 > 1:23:45change, it was a very reactive situation. It is someone who can
1:23:45 > 1:23:49help you reflect on how far you have come. We spend Christmas together
1:23:49 > 1:23:54and he supports me. I am a university student studying social
1:23:54 > 1:24:00work at Birmingham city University. Although there is a very dedicated
1:24:00 > 1:24:04teaching team there, it is good to have somebody currently in practice
1:24:04 > 1:24:07to support me getting my head around the information so I can write my
1:24:07 > 1:24:13assignments. We often laugh about how I am a social work student and
1:24:13 > 1:24:16he is teaching me about the interventions are used on me as a
1:24:16 > 1:24:20child.David, how did you first come into contact with your social worker
1:24:20 > 1:24:25Jenny?I was eight years old and Jenny was a brand-new social worker
1:24:25 > 1:24:31and I was one of the caseloads in the files she was given on that day.
1:24:31 > 1:24:35She stayed with the officially until I was 14 and then she applied to be
1:24:35 > 1:24:43my social aunt. A social aunt?It is old-fashioned.That was the official
1:24:43 > 1:24:48term? Yes, at the time.Why did she do that and what did that mean to
1:24:48 > 1:24:54you?I think she did it because I did not have anybody. At that stage
1:24:54 > 1:24:58in my life I had no contact with my family. It was literally a case of
1:24:58 > 1:25:03what do we do with David at Christmas? She would buy me a nice
1:25:03 > 1:25:10present and make me feel wanted and loved and all those sorts of things.
1:25:10 > 1:25:15Then I went to prison when I was 18. There was nobody for me when I came
1:25:15 > 1:25:21out and Jenny made sure I kept my flat. She gave me £5 to go to
1:25:21 > 1:25:25interviews and do my washing and give me bags of food, any thing a
1:25:25 > 1:25:32parent would do for somebody. Despite her care towards you and
1:25:32 > 1:25:36wanting to look after you, you still went to prison at 18, that is
1:25:36 > 1:25:42despite what she did for you?To be honest with you when I was in the
1:25:42 > 1:25:46care system most boys left the care system and went through the penal
1:25:46 > 1:25:52system. That was not unusual. The good thing was that when I came out
1:25:52 > 1:25:56she was there to show me a clear path in my life. She encouraged me
1:25:56 > 1:26:00to get involved in the politics of social work so I could represent
1:26:00 > 1:26:04other kids in care and she has been there for me ever since I was eight
1:26:04 > 1:26:12years old. I will not say how old I am now, but it is a long time.How
1:26:12 > 1:26:19old are you now?I cannot tell you. 50-something.You look incredible!
1:26:19 > 1:26:25That is why I did not want to tell you.As a manager why do you think
1:26:25 > 1:26:33social workers' positive work is not focused on in this country?Sadly
1:26:33 > 1:26:37the media in particular play a role on it in terms of focusing on the
1:26:37 > 1:26:42negatives. What is brilliant today it is about the celebration of
1:26:42 > 1:26:45social work and hearing the stories from Ian and David which are
1:26:45 > 1:26:51replicated day after day across this nation. It is important the value of
1:26:51 > 1:26:53social work and the contribution they make to people's lives is
1:26:53 > 1:27:00recognised. It is about humanity, kindness and the social worker
1:27:00 > 1:27:04sticking with people all the way through the difficult times, through
1:27:04 > 1:27:08the tough times and celebrating the great times. What is really
1:27:08 > 1:27:14important to get across is the relationship and the direct contact
1:27:14 > 1:27:18with people, whether that is vulnerable, older person in the
1:27:18 > 1:27:22community, whether it is a young person in the care system, it is
1:27:22 > 1:27:26about seeing that person regularly, caring about the holistic needs, the
1:27:26 > 1:27:31health needs, the well-being needs, getting two kids to school on time
1:27:31 > 1:27:34and supporting somebody in a crisis and speaking to somebody on that
1:27:34 > 1:27:41day.If those social workers were not doing that role for people like
1:27:41 > 1:27:46David and Ian, how much worse off would we be as a society?A lot
1:27:46 > 1:27:50worse off because these are people who stick with people through
1:27:50 > 1:27:54difficult times. There is a role and place for organisations and the
1:27:54 > 1:28:00public sector like the police, the fire, the Ambulance Service, the
1:28:00 > 1:28:03NHS, but this is another important emergency response and a sustainable
1:28:03 > 1:28:08service that supports people in crisis and are difficult times in
1:28:08 > 1:28:14their lives.On a par with police officers and firefighters?
1:28:14 > 1:28:18Absolutely. We do not wear a uniform but we are out there every single
1:28:18 > 1:28:23day and it is about recognising those differences.If we do not get
1:28:23 > 1:28:26social services right and do not take care of these children, there
1:28:26 > 1:28:32will be a lot more problems with society. Since Sure Start has been
1:28:32 > 1:28:35wound down, there has been a lot more difficulty for family is not
1:28:35 > 1:28:40getting the help they need. If people were not supported by social
1:28:40 > 1:28:47workers, I could not imagine what it would be like.Ian, it is impossible
1:28:47 > 1:28:51to know because Steve was there for you. You must have considered what
1:28:51 > 1:28:56your life might have been like if he had not stuck by you.He left the
1:28:56 > 1:29:00local authority to go and work in mental health and I got a different
1:29:00 > 1:29:04social worker and we crossed paths when I was locked up and he came to
1:29:04 > 1:29:10see me and I had other social work intervention to get me into a
1:29:10 > 1:29:15treatment centre and I got residential rehab and got clean. I
1:29:15 > 1:29:20spent over three years of my life behind prison doors and I did lots
1:29:20 > 1:29:25of different prisons in the south of England and the government
1:29:25 > 1:29:29statistics 827% of the 80,000 in prison at the time were looked after
1:29:29 > 1:29:36and it is £40,000 a year to look after people and we spent £980
1:29:36 > 1:29:43million a year on that. Social work intervention saved me from dying I
1:29:43 > 1:29:47believe because without that then I do not know if I would have got
1:29:47 > 1:29:52clean and the assessments and help I needed. It is not the direct work
1:29:52 > 1:29:57with the people that makes the job so challenging, it is the system
1:29:57 > 1:30:05around them. Social workers are unsung heroes.David, say that
1:30:05 > 1:30:10again. You have the potential to be a great social worker because of
1:30:10 > 1:30:14your life experiences and I am happy that you are going where you are
1:30:14 > 1:30:20going.We need to connect.It is also about celebrating the
1:30:20 > 1:30:23profession and we have the social worker of the year awards coming up
1:30:23 > 1:30:27soon and it is celebrating and embracing this profession because
1:30:27 > 1:30:31people are doing a really good job and it is about working in
1:30:31 > 1:30:34partnership with people in communities. Let's promote this
1:30:34 > 1:30:42nationally.Can I add to that? As a child and an adult and now studying
1:30:42 > 1:30:45it, I urge anyone to Google the international definition of social
1:30:45 > 1:30:51work. At Birmingham city University there are a dedicated team of
1:30:51 > 1:30:55teachers and there is a lot of hope at the moment. If you look at the
1:30:55 > 1:31:01profession and the essence of what it is, it is wow, the matter who you
1:31:01 > 1:31:05are, the humanitarian in new valuing people and empowering them and
1:31:05 > 1:31:09giving them life opportunities and keeping them safe is an amazing
1:31:09 > 1:31:14thing. Most people do not know what social workers do, they only know
1:31:14 > 1:31:17what they should have done when it did not happen and bad news travels
1:31:17 > 1:31:22a very fast. I work for an amazing organisation and there is a lot of
1:31:22 > 1:31:30hope and we need to celebrate this morning.Thank you, all of you.
1:31:30 > 1:31:34In the last half an hour, we will talk about the fact that European
1:31:34 > 1:31:38nurses and midwives are leaving the NHS in droves. There will be a
1:31:38 > 1:31:42shortage on the wards and we will be talking about that.
1:31:42 > 1:31:45We'll speak to a teacher who's won a tribunal after being sacked
1:31:45 > 1:31:47when she complained about children being shown images from 9/11
1:31:47 > 1:31:53in the classroom...
1:31:53 > 1:31:58Time for the latest news, here's Annita.
1:31:58 > 1:32:01The headlines now on BBC News.
1:32:01 > 1:32:03The Defence Secretary Sir Michael Fallon has resigned
1:32:03 > 1:32:04following accusations of inappropriate sexual behaviour.
1:32:04 > 1:32:07He said his conduct had fallen short of the high standards expected -
1:32:07 > 1:32:10he is the first politician to quit following wider claims of sexual
1:32:10 > 1:32:17harrassment at Westminster...
1:32:17 > 1:32:23I have behaved in the past, clearly, in a way that has occasionally been
1:32:23 > 1:32:26below the standards that we require of the Armed Forces. And I don't
1:32:26 > 1:32:31think it is right for me to go on as Defence Secretary, expecting the
1:32:31 > 1:32:34very highest standards of our service men and women and failed to
1:32:34 > 1:32:36meet them myself.
1:32:36 > 1:32:43President Trump has called for the death penalty
1:32:43 > 1:32:46for Sayfullo Saipov - the man accused of killing eight
1:32:46 > 1:32:49people in New York by driving at them with a truck.
1:32:49 > 1:32:51In a tweet, the president claimed Saipov, who was shot and wounded
1:32:51 > 1:32:54by police at the scene, had asked to hang an Islamic State
1:32:54 > 1:32:56flag in his hospital room.
1:32:56 > 1:32:58The state of New York has outlawed the death penalty,
1:32:58 > 1:33:01but that can be overruled by the US government for a federal
1:33:01 > 1:33:02crime such as this.
1:33:02 > 1:33:04Interest rates could be about to rise for the first
1:33:04 > 1:33:05time in ten years.
1:33:05 > 1:33:08It's expected the Bank of England will confirm the move later today.
1:33:08 > 1:33:11Economists say it would mean the cost of some mortgages would go
1:33:11 > 1:33:13up, but savers should see better returns on their money.
1:33:13 > 1:33:19The Bank of England says any rise would be 'modest'.
1:33:19 > 1:33:23There's been a sharp decline in the number of nurses and midwives from
1:33:23 > 1:33:27the EU wanting to work in the UK. The nursing and midwifery Council
1:33:27 > 1:33:32said that there was a 90% drop in new registrations for EU nurses when
1:33:32 > 1:33:37comparing this year to last. The Department of Health says a rise in
1:33:37 > 1:33:40training places will compensate for the fall.
1:33:40 > 1:33:43Two men have been charged over the deaths of three soldiers
1:33:43 > 1:33:45during an SAS selection march in the Brecon Beacons.
1:33:45 > 1:33:47Craig Roberts, Edward Maher and James Dunsby were taking part
1:33:47 > 1:33:51in a 16-mile recruitment exercise on the hottest day of 2013.
1:33:51 > 1:33:53A coroner ruled parts of the planning and conduct
1:33:53 > 1:33:59of the march were inadequate or not fit for purpose.
1:33:59 > 1:34:06That's a summary of the latest BBC News.
1:34:06 > 1:34:07Thank you very much.
1:34:07 > 1:34:09Here's some sport now with Hugh.
1:34:09 > 1:34:11Spurs beat the 12-time European Champions Real Madrid
1:34:11 > 1:34:13for the first time in one of the best results
1:34:13 > 1:34:14in their history.
1:34:14 > 1:34:17England's Dele Alli scored twice in the 3-1 win at Wembley
1:34:17 > 1:34:19which takes Tottenham into the knockout stages of this
1:34:19 > 1:34:22season's competition.
1:34:22 > 1:34:24They'll be joined by Manchester City.
1:34:24 > 1:34:26They beat Napoli 4-2 in Italy and there was history for striker
1:34:26 > 1:34:28Sergio Aguero who became the club's record goalscorer
1:34:28 > 1:34:34with his 178th goal for City.
1:34:34 > 1:34:37Liverpool aren't into the last 16 just yet.
1:34:37 > 1:34:42They beat Maribor 3-0 at Anfield to stay top of Group E.
1:34:42 > 1:34:44And the Houston Astros have won baseball's World Series
1:34:44 > 1:34:47for the first time in their history, beating the LA Dodgers 5-1 overnight
1:34:47 > 1:34:49in the Series decider.
1:34:49 > 1:34:58They dedicated the win to those affected by Hurricane Harvey.
1:34:58 > 1:35:02That's all the sport, I'm back with more at 11 o'clock. Let's go
1:35:02 > 1:35:06straight over to Norman at the Ministry of Defence, there is news
1:35:06 > 1:35:13of a new Defence Secretary?You would have to break it to me, I
1:35:13 > 1:35:18don't have it...It is Gavin Williamson, NP.OK, well, we are
1:35:18 > 1:35:23still waiting for him, if that is the right person to come along --
1:35:23 > 1:35:35MP. That's an interesting choice, he is the Chief Whip to Mrs May, her
1:35:35 > 1:35:38main enforcer in government, responsible for maintaining party
1:35:38 > 1:35:43discipline. I do not think, I may be wrong, they do not think he has a
1:35:43 > 1:35:48military background. Elected in 2010, he came in with David Cameron
1:35:48 > 1:35:53got what it does mean is that Theresa May will have to find a new
1:35:53 > 1:35:56Chief Whip which is interesting as in the current climate, where there
1:35:56 > 1:36:01is a whole spate of allegations swirling around Westminster when you
1:36:01 > 1:36:06have a government with a tiny majority, the role of Chief Whip is
1:36:06 > 1:36:12absolutely critical in just getting business through and getting Brexit
1:36:12 > 1:36:17through. So, a surprising call in the sense that Theresa May has now
1:36:17 > 1:36:21opened up another job which she will have to fill and an absolutely
1:36:21 > 1:36:26critical job. Having Williamson, very loyal to the Prime Minister and
1:36:26 > 1:36:31perhaps part of the thinking was stability within the Cabinet, just
1:36:31 > 1:36:34to have someone who she can absolutely rely on in the current
1:36:34 > 1:36:40state of affairs, which might have been her thinking that we do now
1:36:40 > 1:36:45have to see who will move into that pivotal position, as I say, of Chief
1:36:45 > 1:36:50Whip.Our camera is trained on a pavement, Norman. I've no idea where
1:36:50 > 1:36:54you are in relation to it! I think you are still out the front of the
1:36:54 > 1:37:02MOD... I think you are waiting, is that still the case? That you are
1:37:02 > 1:37:07waiting for him to walk up to the MOD?Yes, there are two ways it
1:37:07 > 1:37:11could happen. He could either walked up from Downing Street and along the
1:37:11 > 1:37:15steps where he will shake hands with the permanent secretary or it will
1:37:15 > 1:37:19be a car moment, where he comes out of the car. The latest intelligence
1:37:19 > 1:37:23is he is coming from Downing Street which is across the road. We've been
1:37:23 > 1:37:28told he should be here, we've been told this for some time, but he
1:37:28 > 1:37:32should be here. It will finesse who comes into his shoes as the Chief
1:37:32 > 1:37:38Whip. It is such an important appointment.And the speed of this
1:37:38 > 1:37:42new appointment, the Defence Secretary Gavin Williamson
1:37:45 > 1:37:51MP, Theresa May has moved quickly? She had to, Michael Fallon's
1:37:51 > 1:37:55departure compounded the sense of wobble in the government following
1:37:55 > 1:38:01his departure. Of course, there are fears that perhaps Michael Fallon
1:38:01 > 1:38:05will not be the only one to go, there are further allegations
1:38:05 > 1:38:09involving ministers and the bar has been set so low, could they possibly
1:38:09 > 1:38:14have to go? There's a need to move quickly to replace him. Also, I
1:38:14 > 1:38:19think there's a desire to change the headlines, to move the focus onto
1:38:19 > 1:38:26the new person coming in to try and shift focus away from questions over
1:38:26 > 1:38:29how far this destabilises the government in any sort of way. What
1:38:29 > 1:38:36is absolutely true, the departure gives a sense of how this whole
1:38:36 > 1:38:39sleaze controversy is now overshadowing all life at
1:38:39 > 1:38:43Westminster. It is totally dominating and overshadowing
1:38:43 > 1:38:52absolutely everything else.And I'm trying to work out if he has
1:38:52 > 1:38:55experience in the aria or the Royal Navy, I'm not seeing any, that may
1:38:55 > 1:39:00not be accurate but you may not need this experience to be the Defence
1:39:00 > 1:39:06Secretary?No, I do not think Michael Fallon had any experience in
1:39:06 > 1:39:10the Armed Forces. I think he came from a private sector background,
1:39:10 > 1:39:15which is the same with Gavin Williamson. A lot of your time is
1:39:15 > 1:39:17being a Whitehall operator, and budgeting which will be critical
1:39:17 > 1:39:25now. With the huge pressures of the deficit being kept under control,
1:39:25 > 1:39:29there is demand for money to lift the pay cap and more money for the
1:39:29 > 1:39:33NHS or young people, that sort of thing in the forthcoming budget.
1:39:33 > 1:39:37Within the MOD, they will be looking anxiously to see whether Gavin
1:39:37 > 1:39:42Williamson will be able to fight their corner. The Chief Whip, or the
1:39:42 > 1:39:46ex-chief whip, he will at least have that knowledge or inside track on
1:39:46 > 1:39:50the workings of government which would give him, to an extent, a
1:39:50 > 1:39:54heads up in his dealings with Chancellor Philip Hammond in
1:39:54 > 1:39:57protecting the MOD budget which would be an advantage and if you
1:39:57 > 1:40:02look at others like Philip Hammond, he was always regarded as a bit of a
1:40:02 > 1:40:06bean counter in the MOD. So much time is taken trying to make the
1:40:06 > 1:40:11sums up because of this colossal massive project that they have with
1:40:11 > 1:40:20building new aircraft carriers and so one, which cost billions. There
1:40:20 > 1:40:23is an accountancy background which is almost as important, ensuring at
1:40:23 > 1:40:27the end of the day the bottom line does not look too bad.Norman Smith
1:40:27 > 1:40:31outside of the Ministry of Defence, waiting patiently for the new
1:40:31 > 1:40:35Defence Secretary to arrive at his new place of work effectively. Thank
1:40:35 > 1:40:45you. Gavin Williamson MP, the former Chief Whip who protects the Prime
1:40:45 > 1:40:49Minister and her position.
1:40:49 > 1:40:50It's been called "medieval", a "black death" plague
1:40:50 > 1:40:52which causes septicaemia, organ failure and death.
1:40:52 > 1:40:56It's killed 124 people in Madagascar.
1:40:56 > 1:40:59More than 1,000 others have become ill and the disease
1:40:59 > 1:41:03is highly infectious.
1:41:03 > 1:41:06Madagascar is a large island off the East Coast of Africa and fears
1:41:06 > 1:41:09about the spread of the plague have grown after the World Health
1:41:09 > 1:41:15Organisation issued new guidance for infection control to nine
1:41:15 > 1:41:16neighbouring countries, including ones visited by many
1:41:16 > 1:41:19tourists such as the Seychelles, South Africa and Kenya.
1:41:19 > 1:41:25So just how bad is the outbreak and will it spread?
1:41:25 > 1:41:27Let's talk now to Professor Jimmy Whitworth
1:41:27 > 1:41:31from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine,
1:41:31 > 1:41:33Panu Saaristo is in charge of the international Red Cross
1:41:33 > 1:41:38medical operation in Madagascar.
1:41:38 > 1:41:46Eugenie Raharisoa is a resident living in the capital of Madagascar.
1:41:46 > 1:41:50Firstly, Professor Whitworth, what is the disease and what does it do
1:41:50 > 1:41:58to you?Plague is a bacterial infection, you say it is medieval
1:41:58 > 1:42:02but it has never gone away. It occurs in various hotspots around
1:42:02 > 1:42:08the world. Madagascar is the place where most cases occur every year.
1:42:08 > 1:42:12And how worried should people in the region be?Well, this is the biggest
1:42:12 > 1:42:18outbreak we have seen in 50 years. It's unusual in the number of cases
1:42:18 > 1:42:22that have occurred, and also there is more of the pneumonic form of
1:42:22 > 1:42:27this where it can spread from person to person and it has got into urban
1:42:27 > 1:42:31areas, and places where we do not normally see it. It is an unusual
1:42:31 > 1:42:38outbreak.Eugenie, thank you for speaking to us from the capital,
1:42:38 > 1:42:46what are peoples worries?People are worried because they are scared that
1:42:46 > 1:42:56they will catch the plague, and we are hearing about the pneumonic
1:42:56 > 1:43:08plague. Before we heard about the bubonic plague. People are worried
1:43:08 > 1:43:16about spitting.Thank you for speaking to us. Madagascar has an
1:43:16 > 1:43:21outbreak of plague every year, why is this different?It isn't the
1:43:21 > 1:43:26plague as usual because it started earlier, and as we heard just
1:43:26 > 1:43:34earlier, it came to the capital city, two large urban centres. It is
1:43:34 > 1:43:37predominantly the pulmonary form, the long form, of the disease which
1:43:37 > 1:43:43transmits very easily between individuals. In public gatherings,
1:43:43 > 1:43:48schools, and communities in normal social interactions. Understandably,
1:43:48 > 1:43:53people are nervous and there are questions as to how to protect
1:43:53 > 1:43:59yourself and your family. It's the long form of the disease kills so
1:43:59 > 1:44:05quickly, it increases the level of fears in the local community.
1:44:05 > 1:44:10Professor Whitworth, how do you stop it spreading?It can be eminently
1:44:10 > 1:44:14treated with antibiotics, this particular outbreak, the bacteria
1:44:14 > 1:44:20are fully sensitive to antibiotics so the key thing is to identify
1:44:20 > 1:44:24cases, treat them and identify their contacts and make sure that you are
1:44:24 > 1:44:29giving them antibiotics so they do not get it.And worries about it
1:44:29 > 1:44:36spreading to various areas around Madagascar, that is genuine?It is,
1:44:36 > 1:44:39and I think for the neighbouring countries for Madagascar,
1:44:39 > 1:44:44recognising that it is an island and that there is the sea in between, it
1:44:44 > 1:44:51is very much genuine. There is exit screening going on at ports and
1:44:51 > 1:44:54airports, but what is absolutely key is that in other countries there is
1:44:54 > 1:45:01good vigilance and preparation in case of the cases occur.Thank you
1:45:01 > 1:45:06for coming onto the programme. Thank you to all of you. We appreciate it.
1:45:06 > 1:45:07Still to come...
1:45:07 > 1:45:10Fewer and fewer nurses from the EU want to work here.
1:45:10 > 1:45:13We'll be speaking to the NHS and to nurses themselves about why
1:45:13 > 1:45:15this is and what impact it's having on our healthcare system.
1:45:15 > 1:45:18Images from the 9/11 terror attacks in New York are so distressing that
1:45:18 > 1:45:22few of us will ever forget them.
1:45:22 > 1:45:26Pictures much worse than these - of planes flying into
1:45:26 > 1:45:31the Twin Towers and people jumping to their deaths are too distressing
1:45:31 > 1:45:35to show and carrying a strong warning on YouTube.
1:45:35 > 1:45:38That didn't stop a teacher showing them to 11-year-olds
1:45:38 > 1:45:44at one secondary school.
1:45:44 > 1:45:47And when a teaching assistant complained, she was sacked.
1:45:47 > 1:45:50Suriyah Bi has now won a tribunal against her former school -
1:45:50 > 1:45:54Heartlands Academy in Birmingham and she joins us now.
1:45:54 > 1:46:00How are you feeling?I feel good, vindicated actually, pleased with
1:46:00 > 1:46:06the results of the tribunal, but there is a little bit more to go
1:46:06 > 1:46:12yet.You are satisfied with some of the outcome, but not all of it.
1:46:12 > 1:46:16Explain to our audience what happened in class today and what age
1:46:16 > 1:46:20of people we are talking about.We are talking about 11-year-olds who
1:46:20 > 1:46:27just started school the week before. The video had a clear 18 rating
1:46:27 > 1:46:33caution message.It came up on screen.It came up for ten seconds,
1:46:33 > 1:46:38it was not suitable for anyone under 18. The students raised concerns and
1:46:38 > 1:46:45said, should we be watching this? The teacher shouted, be quiet, this
1:46:45 > 1:46:49is an important issue. She also said this footage at the time was not
1:46:49 > 1:46:55shown to people, to the public. I thought, if it was not shown because
1:46:55 > 1:47:01it is graphic, why is it acceptable to show to 11-year-olds, and that is
1:47:01 > 1:47:07why I raised concerns. The children were distressed watching that video.
1:47:07 > 1:47:10As a teaching assistant it is perfectly legitimate for you to
1:47:10 > 1:47:13raise a concern about something that you considered to be inappropriate
1:47:13 > 1:47:18or poor judgment in the classroom in which you work. What was the
1:47:18 > 1:47:24reaction from senior staff?When I first raised a concern I was told
1:47:24 > 1:47:29there would be an investigation, but 40 minutes later I was told to leave
1:47:29 > 1:47:34the premises immediately and the reason was given was that I was
1:47:34 > 1:47:38uncomfortable with the curriculum and I was no longer suitable to work
1:47:38 > 1:47:44at the school. I was not given any time to respond. I went home and I
1:47:44 > 1:47:48was very upset understandably. I appealed the decision by e-mail and
1:47:48 > 1:47:54it was rejected. But nine months later iron covered several
1:47:54 > 1:48:00documents, one of which showed the senior management team at the school
1:48:00 > 1:48:04three days after my dismissal admitted that this should never have
1:48:04 > 1:48:08been shown and the caution message should have been considered. But
1:48:08 > 1:48:15they were not sacked and I was.The tribunal having read the judgment
1:48:15 > 1:48:20notes said that what weighed on the senior members of staff was that you
1:48:20 > 1:48:25had been overly critical of other staff and, quote, enough was enough.
1:48:25 > 1:48:31She was dismissed after telling the school about what she reasonably saw
1:48:31 > 1:48:36as a safeguarding matter. You were sacked because you raised the issue.
1:48:36 > 1:48:43Yes, absolutely and that is what the tribunal decided. It is sited in the
1:48:43 > 1:48:45judgment that this is blatantly a safeguarding matter and the teacher
1:48:45 > 1:48:53should have known that.The tribunal found in your behaviour and you said
1:48:53 > 1:48:56there was racial discrimination. They said there was not and you are
1:48:56 > 1:49:04appealing against that. Sorry, religious discrimination, not racial
1:49:04 > 1:49:10discrimination. I am of the strong belief, and this has been consistent
1:49:10 > 1:49:13over the last two years, that this would not have happened if I was not
1:49:13 > 1:49:19a Muslim. There is an e-mail and various other documents I am covered
1:49:19 > 1:49:27nine months after my dismissal that said that she was a Trojan horse at
1:49:27 > 1:49:32her school, head girl and we suspect she has done this before. I have got
1:49:32 > 1:49:35a statement I want to read.
1:49:35 > 1:49:37A spokesman for E-ACT, the trust which runs
1:49:37 > 1:49:39the Heartlands Academy said: "although we are disappointed
1:49:39 > 1:49:41by the judgment, we respect the tribunal's decision
1:49:41 > 1:49:44and we continue to further strengthen our processes to ensure
1:49:44 > 1:49:46that there can be no repeat of the errors highlighted
1:49:46 > 1:49:48to us during this case."
1:49:48 > 1:49:52What impact does it have on you that you lost your job as a teaching
1:49:52 > 1:49:59assistant?It had a severe emotional, psychological impact
1:49:59 > 1:50:03losing my job, especially because there were documents that suggested
1:50:03 > 1:50:11it was because of my religion. It affects not only me, but dull
1:50:11 > 1:50:19community because this is an issue that is constant, Muslims are being
1:50:19 > 1:50:23vilified, they are suspect community and now it seems to me that
1:50:23 > 1:50:28regardless of how educated one is, what matters is the colour of your
1:50:28 > 1:50:33skin and the two yards of material I am wearing on my head. That is a sad
1:50:33 > 1:50:38state, and especially things like the prevent duty they create this
1:50:38 > 1:50:43idea that Muslims are suspect community and teachers in all
1:50:43 > 1:50:48schools all around the country, does this mean we cannot raise a concern?
1:50:48 > 1:50:53What impact does this have for safeguarding? The case touches on
1:50:53 > 1:50:58such a broad spectrum of issues, especially legal aid. I was denied
1:50:58 > 1:51:03legal aid, I had to fight this myself two years. The reason was
1:51:03 > 1:51:07given, even though I financially qualified, the reason given was that
1:51:07 > 1:51:12I was too educated for it.To reiterate the tribunal found you
1:51:12 > 1:51:18should not have been sacked for raising the issue that you did, but
1:51:18 > 1:51:31they have not upheld the religious issue.Which I am appealing.
1:51:31 > 1:51:35The Nursing and Midwifery Council said there has been a 90% fall in
1:51:35 > 1:51:41the registration of nurses from the EU. There has been a fall in the
1:51:41 > 1:51:45numbers already registered. The Department of Health says they are
1:51:45 > 1:51:51increasing nurse training places by 25%. We can talk to Stefanie Aitken,
1:51:51 > 1:51:56the deputy director of nursing at the Royal College of Nursing. And we
1:51:56 > 1:52:04can speak to the membership organisation for NHS acute
1:52:04 > 1:52:07hospitals, community, mental health and Ambulance Services.
1:52:07 > 1:52:09Joining me now from Chesterfield is Joan Pons Laplana,
1:52:09 > 1:52:13who's been a nurse for 20 years and worked in the UK for 17.
1:52:13 > 1:52:15Joan is seriously concerned about his future as an EU
1:52:15 > 1:52:16Nurse in the UK.
1:52:16 > 1:52:21Let me start with you, why are you concerned about your future as a
1:52:21 > 1:52:28nurse from the EU in Britain.It has been 500 days since we had the
1:52:28 > 1:52:33Brexit referendum and we are still not guaranteed what kind of right
1:52:33 > 1:52:41that we will have. We do not know what will happen to us and that puts
1:52:41 > 1:52:50a lot of pressure on our daily life and that means a lot of us are
1:52:50 > 1:52:59leaving. It means nurses are not welcome in this country and that has
1:52:59 > 1:53:04made 90% of applications folder. People do not want to come here any
1:53:04 > 1:53:10more because we do not know what will happen with our future. When
1:53:10 > 1:53:15you move to another country it is because you are welcome and valued
1:53:15 > 1:53:21and at the moment we do not feel welcome and valued in the UK.
1:53:21 > 1:53:26Stefanie, how much of a problem is this?It is a massive problem. We
1:53:26 > 1:53:31have seen lots of years of underinvestment in the NHS and
1:53:31 > 1:53:35particularly in the nursing and midwifery workforce, haphazard
1:53:35 > 1:53:39planning.They could not predict the outcome of the Brexit vote and the
1:53:39 > 1:53:45impact it would have.But we cannot just rely on our EU and overseas
1:53:45 > 1:53:50nurses and we have to think about how we grow domestic supply, how we
1:53:50 > 1:53:54grow that.The whole principle of the movement of labour is we have
1:53:54 > 1:54:00been able to rely on EU nurses just as British nurses can go elsewhere.
1:54:00 > 1:54:05We have, but they have never formed the majority of the workforce, but
1:54:05 > 1:54:09they are an important percentage of the workforce in terms of what they
1:54:09 > 1:54:16offer, but we rely on 80% of care being provided by UK nurses as well
1:54:16 > 1:54:19and we need to think about the balance of that. Perhaps it is not
1:54:19 > 1:54:25such a worry if 80% is British?It would not be a worry if we had got
1:54:25 > 1:54:30that right, but now we have problems with recruitment into the nursing
1:54:30 > 1:54:36workforce and retention of the workforce. Over 100,000 nurses on
1:54:36 > 1:54:40our register currently are over 56, so there is a massive concern about
1:54:40 > 1:54:43numbers falling off due to retirement and that is not mirrored
1:54:43 > 1:54:48by the number coming onto the register, so we have got an
1:54:48 > 1:54:53imbalance and the crisis looming. How do you respond? We have to put
1:54:53 > 1:54:57this in the context of recent estimates that suggest around 40,000
1:54:57 > 1:55:02vacancies across the nursing workforce. We need to look at
1:55:02 > 1:55:07domestic supply, per recruitment and retention, but we rely on the hard
1:55:07 > 1:55:12work and contribution of those from overseas and the EU. Effectively
1:55:12 > 1:55:17there is a huge amount of uncertainty over Brexit and that is
1:55:17 > 1:55:20perhaps inhibiting people from coming over in the first place, but
1:55:20 > 1:55:25it is also contributing to them leaving as well and we need urgently
1:55:25 > 1:55:28to do something around that, confirmed the right to remain of all
1:55:28 > 1:55:34those EU workers. That is a quick fix. Even if that happened, there
1:55:34 > 1:55:38would still be a time lag. If there is a 90% fall in people wanting to
1:55:38 > 1:55:43come to work here, there would still be months and years before that
1:55:43 > 1:55:50turned around.Absolutely, but if you look at the trend in the past
1:55:50 > 1:55:54year alone, it looks really worrying and we could turn the tide on those
1:55:54 > 1:55:59leaving from the EU and the rest of the world if there is an immediate
1:55:59 > 1:56:04certainty about the right to remain. That is a fair point. We are
1:56:04 > 1:56:09concerned about the fact we have lost over 9000 EU nurses this year
1:56:09 > 1:56:14and we need to understand the reason about that may well be their concern
1:56:14 > 1:56:18about their employment rights going forward.They are taking the
1:56:18 > 1:56:23decision to go back home because of that uncertainty?We are assuming
1:56:23 > 1:56:29that is what it is, but it is significant that 9000 have left.The
1:56:29 > 1:56:34shortage of nursing and midwifery places is 25%. How many nurses short
1:56:34 > 1:56:40are we in numbers?We have got 40,000 vacancies currently. That is
1:56:40 > 1:56:43the number of nurses we have currently got vacant, but we also
1:56:43 > 1:56:47need to think in terms of workforce planning of replacing those who are
1:56:47 > 1:56:53coming up to retirement as well.You have been here for how many years?
1:56:53 > 1:57:0717?I came in 2000.You want to stay?Yes, it is my home. I have my
1:57:07 > 1:57:11mortgage, my children, my children are British. I am completely
1:57:11 > 1:57:17integrated in England and I love England. It is breaking my heart the
1:57:17 > 1:57:22way they are treating me. I feel like a second-class citizen and it
1:57:22 > 1:57:28should not be like that because I give 100%. Now I feel the way they
1:57:28 > 1:57:37have responded to us is affecting our morale. A lot of us are leaving.
1:57:37 > 1:57:42A lot of my colleagues are planning to leave because we do not feel we
1:57:42 > 1:57:49have a future in this country any more.There is focus on the
1:57:49 > 1:57:52day-to-day pressures and the relentless stress that front line
1:57:52 > 1:57:56staff are under and that is wherever they come from and we need to
1:57:56 > 1:58:02address the issues around morale and the work- life balance.A statement
1:58:02 > 1:58:06from the Department of Health. We asked for an interview but they gave
1:58:06 > 1:58:14us this statement. These figures signify a 0.2% decrease in the
1:58:14 > 1:58:16689,000 nurses and midwives currently registered with the
1:58:16 > 1:58:21nursing midwifery Council. If you want to know who the government's
1:58:21 > 1:58:25new Chief Whip is, it is Julian Smith, he was previously the deputy
1:58:25 > 1:58:31Chief Whip. The chief weapon is now the new Defence Secretary,
1:58:32 > 1:58:33Counting to three and you're coming down.
1:58:33 > 1:58:36One, two, three.