07/11/2017

0:00:08 > 0:00:10Hello, it's Tuesday, it's 9am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

0:00:10 > 0:00:11Welcome to the programme.

0:00:11 > 0:00:12This morning...

0:00:12 > 0:00:15The controversial policy of stop and search -

0:00:15 > 0:00:18is it an important measure in tackling knife crime or does it

0:00:18 > 0:00:28just lead to alienation of the black community?

0:00:28 > 0:00:37Your behaviour, how you work on your bike, stay still.I am allowed to

0:00:37 > 0:00:44film. I was given an apology for what happened and I was invited to

0:00:44 > 0:00:48go out on patrol with their offices to see how they use stop and search

0:00:48 > 0:00:50powers.

0:00:50 > 0:00:52Our full report in 15 minutes and really keen

0:00:52 > 0:00:56to hear your experiences too.

0:00:56 > 0:00:59What effect did it have on you?

0:00:59 > 0:01:02Plus, a woman seeking what is thought to be the UK's first

0:01:02 > 0:01:04crowdfunded private rape prosecution tells this programme she hopes

0:01:04 > 0:01:09to lead the way for those let down by the courts.

0:01:09 > 0:01:11Emily Hunt has waived her right to anonymity to talk

0:01:11 > 0:01:12to this programme.

0:01:12 > 0:01:14Her full interview before 11.

0:01:14 > 0:01:17Plus, Theresa May is currently leading a party engulfed

0:01:17 > 0:01:19by harassment scandals, with a Foreign Secretary who's just

0:01:19 > 0:01:23made a serious blunder and an International Development

0:01:23 > 0:01:26Secretary who held talks in Israel without telling anyone about them.

0:01:26 > 0:01:27We'll look at what all this means for her leadeship.

0:01:37 > 0:01:39Hello, welcome to the programme.

0:01:39 > 0:01:42We're live until 11am this morning.

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0:02:08 > 0:02:09Our top story today...

0:02:09 > 0:02:11Leaked documents known as the Paradise

0:02:11 > 0:02:13Papers that have been analysed by the BBC's Panorama programme

0:02:13 > 0:02:17and the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists reveal

0:02:17 > 0:02:19that Apple moved its profits to Jersey after a tax loophole

0:02:19 > 0:02:23in Ireland was closed.

0:02:23 > 0:02:26The arrangement isn't illegal but means the technology giant saves

0:02:26 > 0:02:27billions in corporation tax.

0:02:27 > 0:02:30Apple says it remains the world's largest taxpayer.

0:02:30 > 0:02:36The files also show Formula 1 world champion Lewis Hamilton avoided tax

0:02:36 > 0:02:39on a luxury jet he purchased by importing it to the Isle of Man.

0:02:39 > 0:02:41Our economics correspondent, Andy Verity, has more.

0:02:41 > 0:02:45COMMENTATOR:Hamilton is world champion...

0:02:45 > 0:02:48Five years ago, Lewis Hamilton bought his own luxury jet

0:02:48 > 0:02:49worth £16.5 million.

0:02:49 > 0:02:51It was something he'd always wanted.

0:02:51 > 0:02:56This is your plane.

0:02:56 > 0:02:59If I get a plane, I'm going to pimp it out?

0:02:59 > 0:03:00Paint it red, yeah?

0:03:00 > 0:03:02Exactly.

0:03:02 > 0:03:05In January, 2013, the Formula 1 champion landed his new private

0:03:05 > 0:03:09plane at the Isle of Man's airport, importing it there.

0:03:09 > 0:03:11Isle of Man customs officials met him at 6:15am to finalise

0:03:11 > 0:03:19the paperwork and sign off on a VAT refund of £3.3 million.

0:03:19 > 0:03:24I can't believe I have my own plane still, after all these years.

0:03:24 > 0:03:28Under EU rules, you're only meant to get a refund if the jet's used

0:03:28 > 0:03:33for commercial purposes, but the documents suggest Hamilton

0:03:33 > 0:03:36was planning to spend a third of his flying time on personal use,

0:03:36 > 0:03:37and he's not alone.

0:03:37 > 0:03:40The leaks also show the Isle of Man paid £790 million in VAT refunds

0:03:40 > 0:03:42to jet-leasing companies.

0:03:42 > 0:03:45If they're using it for private purposes, the fact that all this

0:03:45 > 0:03:51money is being refunded is quite shocking.

0:03:51 > 0:03:53You should not be getting VAT back if it's private usage

0:03:53 > 0:03:54and you're getting VAT back.

0:03:54 > 0:03:58Mr Hamilton's lawyer said the arrangement was lawful.

0:03:58 > 0:04:00The documents also reveal how the iPhone maker Apple used

0:04:00 > 0:04:02a British Crown dependency to keep its tax bill down.

0:04:02 > 0:04:10We pay all the taxes we owe, every single dollar.

0:04:10 > 0:04:12We not only comply with the laws, but we comply

0:04:12 > 0:04:14with the spirit of the laws.

0:04:14 > 0:04:17We don't depend on tax gimmicks.

0:04:17 > 0:04:19In 2014, Ireland announced it would ban companies

0:04:19 > 0:04:22with no tax residency.

0:04:22 > 0:04:27That meant Apple needed a tax residency for its lucrative

0:04:27 > 0:04:33Irish subsidiaries fast, so it sent out a questionnaire

0:04:33 > 0:04:37courting tax havens and it chose Jersey, where its $261 billion pile

0:04:37 > 0:04:40of cash from selling phones and iPads is now tax resident.

0:04:40 > 0:04:43Apple said the structure hadn't lowered its taxes and it remained

0:04:43 > 0:04:44the world's largest taxpayer.

0:04:44 > 0:04:52Andy Verity, BBC News.

0:04:52 > 0:04:56In the last few minutes, a response from the government in Jersey. They

0:04:56 > 0:05:02say, Jersey does not want abusive tax avoidance schemes and it expects

0:05:02 > 0:05:05financial services providers to abide by a voluntary code to say

0:05:05 > 0:05:13they will not take on this business. We are asking for all relevant

0:05:13 > 0:05:15documents to support this action to be investigated.

0:05:15 > 0:05:18Rebecca is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

0:05:18 > 0:05:21of the rest of the day's news.

0:05:21 > 0:05:25Good morning.

0:05:25 > 0:05:27US President Donald Trump has been greeted with full

0:05:27 > 0:05:29ceremony in South Korea, on the latest leg of

0:05:29 > 0:05:30his tour of East Asia.

0:05:30 > 0:05:33His 24-hour visit comes as tensions remain high on the Korean peninsula.

0:05:33 > 0:05:36The White House says Mr Trump's trip is intended to demonstrate American

0:05:36 > 0:05:39resolve in the face of nuclear and missile threats

0:05:39 > 0:05:44from North Korea.

0:05:44 > 0:05:48In the last hour, he told a news conference they were making a lot of

0:05:48 > 0:05:51progress on the issue of North Korea.North Korea is a worldwide

0:05:51 > 0:05:58threat that requires worldwide action. We call on every responsible

0:05:58 > 0:06:03nation, including China and Russia, to demand that the North Korean

0:06:03 > 0:06:09regime end its nuclear weapons and its missile programmes and live in

0:06:09 > 0:06:15peace, as the South Korean people know so well, it is time to act with

0:06:15 > 0:06:21urgency and with great determination.The husband of a

0:06:21 > 0:06:25British woman jailed in Iran has said the Foreign Secretary, Boris

0:06:25 > 0:06:29Johnson, should correct an error he made in talking about the case. Mr

0:06:29 > 0:06:33Johnson had told MPs Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe had been training

0:06:33 > 0:06:38journalists. Her husband, Richard, says she was on holiday. The legal

0:06:38 > 0:06:42authorities in Iran have threatened to increase the five-year sentence

0:06:42 > 0:06:46imposed on her. Keith Doyle reports. Nazanin

0:06:46 > 0:06:49Zaghari-Ratcliffe was arrested with her baby at Tehran airport last

0:06:49 > 0:06:53year. She was charged with trying to overthrow the government and

0:06:53 > 0:06:59sentenced to five years in jail. She has worked for the Thomson Reuters

0:06:59 > 0:07:03foundation and the BBC, but insisted this trip was for her daughter to

0:07:03 > 0:07:06meet her grandparents and she denies all the allegations against her.

0:07:06 > 0:07:11Diplomacy has not helped secure her release and this comment by the

0:07:11 > 0:07:15Foreign Secretary last week has set her case back, according to her

0:07:15 > 0:07:19family.She was simply teaching people journalism, as I understand

0:07:19 > 0:07:25it.In the last few days, she was brought back to court and told Mr

0:07:25 > 0:07:29Johnson's comments shed new light on her case and proved she was not on

0:07:29 > 0:07:33holiday. It is feared Iran may now increase her sentence.He needs to

0:07:33 > 0:07:38make a clear statement that she was not working training journalists.

0:07:38 > 0:07:43She was on holiday. She is innocent of the association. We have made it

0:07:43 > 0:07:47very clear for a long time, she is not being held because of anything

0:07:47 > 0:07:56she has done, she is not.The Foreign Office says Boris Johnson

0:07:56 > 0:07:59will be in touch with the Iranian Foreign Minister to ensure his

0:07:59 > 0:08:03comments are not misrepresented. Victoria will be talking to the

0:08:03 > 0:08:08husband of Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe in the next hour.

0:08:08 > 0:08:10The Prime Minister has asked for the ministerial code of conduct

0:08:10 > 0:08:13to be tightened after an MP apologised for holding secret

0:08:13 > 0:08:21meetings with Israeli officials during the summer.

0:08:21 > 0:08:23Priti Patel - the International Development Secretary -

0:08:23 > 0:08:25apologised for not informing the Foreign Office and suggesting

0:08:25 > 0:08:27Boris Johnson knew in advance of the visit.

0:08:27 > 0:08:32Labour said the "shocking" admission warranted a Cabinet Office inquiry.

0:08:32 > 0:08:35The Prime Minister is calling for a new culture of respect

0:08:35 > 0:08:37after a string of sexual harassment claims at Westminster.

0:08:37 > 0:08:39She's been meeting leaders from all parties to talk about improving

0:08:39 > 0:08:41the complaints procedure.

0:08:41 > 0:08:51Theresa May's described plans for a new grievance procedure

0:08:51 > 0:08:59for parliamentary staff as an important step forward.

0:08:59 > 0:09:02The Government is being warned that foodbanks could struggle to meet

0:09:02 > 0:09:04demand this winter unless urgent action is taken to improve

0:09:04 > 0:09:05Universal Credit.

0:09:05 > 0:09:07The Trussell Trust - which is the Uks biggest

0:09:07 > 0:09:09foodbank operator - says areas where Universal Credit

0:09:09 > 0:09:12has been in place for six months have seen a 30% increase in demand

0:09:12 > 0:09:14on the previous year.

0:09:14 > 0:09:16The Government says it's misleading to link foodbank

0:09:16 > 0:09:25usage to any one issue.

0:09:25 > 0:09:30A baby Javan Gibbon has been born in the wild, the first born to parents

0:09:30 > 0:09:34rescued from the pet trade.

0:09:34 > 0:09:36Victoria Gill reports.

0:09:36 > 0:09:38In this protected rainforest in Indonesia, conservationists

0:09:38 > 0:09:40introduced me to a very special family.

0:09:40 > 0:09:44These are Javan gibbons.

0:09:44 > 0:09:48They were released here by a team who rescued them from the pet trade.

0:09:48 > 0:09:50Now they have settled into their new home

0:09:50 > 0:09:51and have just had a baby.

0:09:51 > 0:09:55That six-month-old baby is the first baby Javan gibbon to be born

0:09:55 > 0:09:59in the wild from rehabilitated and rereleased parents.

0:09:59 > 0:10:01Both parents started their lives in cages in the pet trade.

0:10:01 > 0:10:03Now they're living wild.

0:10:03 > 0:10:06There are a family.

0:10:06 > 0:10:10But some gibbons are not so lucky.

0:10:10 > 0:10:16They are still sometimes taken from the wild and sold as pets.

0:10:16 > 0:10:19Researchers say the trade is now happening more online,

0:10:19 > 0:10:20sometimes on social media.

0:10:20 > 0:10:23We found this video of a gibbon for sale on Facebook.

0:10:23 > 0:10:26And British researchers who are studying the pet trade

0:10:26 > 0:10:32showed me videos and pictures posted by Indonesian pet shops including

0:10:32 > 0:10:35this one of a baby Javan gibbon.

0:10:35 > 0:10:37It's illegal to sell these endangered animals.

0:10:37 > 0:10:43And gibbons are not the only type of ape affected.

0:10:43 > 0:10:45These baby orangutans were also rescued and are now

0:10:45 > 0:10:48being cared for at a sanctuary.

0:10:48 > 0:10:49Apes are very intelligent.

0:10:49 > 0:10:51Being taken from their family to be someone's pet

0:10:51 > 0:10:54is frightening for them.

0:10:54 > 0:10:57He was found in Jakarta in a bus in a postal package.

0:10:57 > 0:10:58Someone was posting her?

0:10:58 > 0:10:59Exactly, yes.

0:10:59 > 0:11:03It's horrific that this is happening.

0:11:03 > 0:11:09When they found her, she was traumatised.

0:11:09 > 0:11:12It was really difficult for us to get her going.

0:11:12 > 0:11:15These youngsters are now learning to live in the trees so they can one

0:11:15 > 0:11:17day go back to the forest.

0:11:17 > 0:11:20Facebook told us they had removed the video we found and they said

0:11:20 > 0:11:22they wanted to help tackle the illegal online trade

0:11:22 > 0:11:23in protected wildlife.

0:11:23 > 0:11:26Conservationists here want to fight the trade too and they want to bring

0:11:26 > 0:11:29more of these gibbons out of cages and back into the wild

0:11:29 > 0:11:36where they belong.

0:11:36 > 0:11:39That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30.

0:11:39 > 0:11:44Let's get some sport.

0:11:44 > 0:11:49West Ham have a new manager. Why have they hired David Moyes? They

0:11:49 > 0:11:54are looking for a safe pair of hands and someone they believe can turn

0:11:54 > 0:11:58around their Premier League season. They have only won two matches, down

0:11:58 > 0:12:02in the relegation zone, and they have said in a statement saying they

0:12:02 > 0:12:05have appointed David Moyes, they are looking for someone with long

0:12:05 > 0:12:10Premier League experience who can bring a steady head to the job. They

0:12:10 > 0:12:15believe David Moyes is the right man for the job. Negotiations seem to

0:12:15 > 0:12:19have progressed pretty smoothly yesterday after they sacked Slaven

0:12:19 > 0:12:25Bilic as their boss, so they have got the former Everton, Manchester

0:12:25 > 0:12:28United and Sunderland man in on a two and a half year contract with a

0:12:28 > 0:12:31break clause at the end of the season. They will be waiting to see

0:12:31 > 0:12:35whether he can turn the season around. It is thought he will start

0:12:35 > 0:12:39with training this afternoon and he has already posted a video on West

0:12:39 > 0:12:40Ham's Twitter feed

0:12:40 > 0:12:43talking about how much he is looking forward to the job.I am really

0:12:43 > 0:12:47looking forward to meeting the supporters, being in the stadium

0:12:47 > 0:12:56with

0:13:01 > 0:13:03them, looking forward to seeing them get right behind the team and my

0:13:03 > 0:13:06team also.We need the support, we need everybody with us. It is a big

0:13:06 > 0:13:09job we have in hand now. I am sure with everybody together, we can get

0:13:09 > 0:13:12the right results between now and the end of the season. By the looks

0:13:12 > 0:13:15of the video, they may have had David Moyes in the wings for some

0:13:15 > 0:13:17time before they sacked Slaven Bilic! Slaven Bilic said he was

0:13:17 > 0:13:19expecting it, no hard feelings. His friend Ian Wright said he was

0:13:19 > 0:13:24pleased for Slaven Bilic because just being one game away from losing

0:13:24 > 0:13:29his job for the last however long it has taken a toll on his mental

0:13:29 > 0:13:34health. Probably the best thing for him.As a friend, I know him very

0:13:34 > 0:13:38well, I am actually pleased. Pleased for him knowing him and what he has

0:13:38 > 0:13:41been going through the last couple of years especially, especially

0:13:41 > 0:13:46since the new stadium and everything like that. I think for himself and

0:13:46 > 0:13:51his health, he needs a break from it. You cannot work like that. You

0:13:51 > 0:13:58are always a couple of games from the sack. I am just pleased now for

0:13:58 > 0:14:03his sake that he can get a break from it and get on with it.West Ham

0:14:03 > 0:14:07fans as well pretty pleased to see the back Slaven Bilic. But not that

0:14:07 > 0:14:11excited about the arrival of David Moyes. One online poll, 90% said

0:14:11 > 0:14:15they would prefer to see a much more progressive manager but it may

0:14:15 > 0:14:19sweeten the pill for them if he brings in Stuart Pearce as his

0:14:19 > 0:14:23number two. Very popular figure at West Ham and among the fans as well.

0:14:23 > 0:14:29Perhaps we will see him as part of David Moyes' team and of course, if

0:14:29 > 0:14:33David Moyes can turn the season around, perhaps they will feel more

0:14:33 > 0:14:36positive about him.Stuart Pearce, he would inspire some of the

0:14:36 > 0:14:43players, I think. Again on Twitter, loads of West Ham fans saying, how

0:14:43 > 0:14:47is David Moyes the right man when he took down Sunderland? Other saying

0:14:47 > 0:14:51that no one could have kept Sunderland up. Cricket, build up to

0:14:51 > 0:14:57the Ashes, tricky for the England team, another blow?Another big name

0:14:57 > 0:15:03out of England's ashes squad, the seam bowler Steven Finn, a tear to

0:15:03 > 0:15:07the cartilage in his knee that he picked up in training. Travelled out

0:15:07 > 0:15:13to Australia, got the injury, it just seems extra cruel. He will fly

0:15:13 > 0:15:20UK in the 48 hours and he will see a specialist to ascertain whether he

0:15:20 > 0:15:23needs an operation. They already without Ben Stokes after the

0:15:23 > 0:15:29incident outside a Bristol nightclub. Now Steven Finn missing

0:15:29 > 0:15:34as well. Pessimists owing England are staring down the barrel of an

0:15:34 > 0:15:44ashes whitewash.Thank you.

0:15:45 > 0:15:49If you're black - you're eight times more likely to be stopped

0:15:49 > 0:15:55and searched by a police officer than any other ethnic group.

0:15:55 > 0:15:57Although it has been used around 300,000 times across England

0:15:57 > 0:16:00and Wales in the past year, only 17% of those lead

0:16:00 > 0:16:01to an actual arrest.

0:16:01 > 0:16:04For innocent people being stopped in the street can be

0:16:04 > 0:16:06scary and intimidating and for some, it can lead

0:16:06 > 0:16:15to distrust of police officers.

0:16:15 > 0:16:18The country's biggest force, the Metropolitan Police,

0:16:18 > 0:16:21say its vital to reduce knife crime.

0:16:21 > 0:16:2421 teenagers have been stabbed to death in london

0:16:24 > 0:16:2721 teenagers have been stabbed to death in London

0:16:27 > 0:16:28alone so far this year.

0:16:28 > 0:16:30Our reporter Noel Phillips was stopped and searched twice

0:16:30 > 0:16:33within a few months.

0:16:33 > 0:16:35After he complained about his treatment the Met apologised.

0:16:35 > 0:16:37Here's a film he made about it.

0:16:37 > 0:16:39I'm sure the officer has explained to you,

0:16:39 > 0:16:40you're being searched because there's been

0:16:40 > 0:16:47an incident where someone has produced a flick knife.

0:16:47 > 0:16:49A glimpse into one of the police's most controversial

0:16:49 > 0:16:51powers, stop and search.

0:16:51 > 0:16:53I think it is down to how you dress and your race.

0:16:53 > 0:16:56I wouldn't blanket so we are looking to stop more black people

0:16:56 > 0:16:57or young black men.

0:16:57 > 0:17:00Your behaviour, on your bike...

0:17:00 > 0:17:04I've been stopped and searched twice in the last few months.

0:17:04 > 0:17:10Stay still.

0:17:10 > 0:17:13We also hear claims about officers abusing their powers.

0:17:13 > 0:17:16I've seen many police officers stop people that I would be can consider

0:17:16 > 0:17:18to be based on their racial prejudices because of

0:17:18 > 0:17:19the colour of their skin.

0:17:19 > 0:17:29I think it is a really useful tool when properly targeted,

0:17:32 > 0:17:35when properly focused when there are good grounds.

0:17:35 > 0:17:38But that's not always the case give people like me who have been

0:17:38 > 0:17:40on the receiving end of being stopped and searched,

0:17:40 > 0:17:47can often leave you feeling victimised or, in some cases,

0:17:47 > 0:17:50like me who have been on the receiving end up

0:17:58 > 0:18:02According to Home Office figures, if you are black you are eight times

0:18:02 > 0:18:04more likely to be stopped and searched compared to any other

0:18:04 > 0:18:10ethnic group. I have explained it to you though.I

0:18:10 > 0:18:15have been stopped over 125 times in my lifetime. Ken was stopped at the

0:18:15 > 0:18:22age of 17. He is a youth mentor.It made me an angry man. It made me see

0:18:22 > 0:18:26the police as the enemy. I made a mistake, but it doesn't mean that

0:18:26 > 0:18:34you young men have to make the same mistake that I have made.How can

0:18:34 > 0:18:39the police stop and searching?The way they can stop the police

0:18:39 > 0:18:42stopping us unnecessarily is by holding them to account. Just

0:18:42 > 0:18:46because you have got stop and search it doesn't mean you have done

0:18:46 > 0:18:51anything bad.The police have a job to do. There are bad guys out there?

0:18:51 > 0:18:55I accept that stop and search is one of the tools in the armour of the

0:18:55 > 0:19:01police to be used. Since stop and search came out of a racist law, it

0:19:01 > 0:19:06is not surprising 40 years on, we are still getting this

0:19:06 > 0:19:11disproportionality that's still here.A quarter of a century ago,

0:19:11 > 0:19:17riots in Brixton led to the end of the laws which allowed police to

0:19:17 > 0:19:21stop and arrest anyone on suspicion, but it was widely believed it was

0:19:21 > 0:19:26used by officers to harass young black men and opinion is divided as

0:19:26 > 0:19:31to whether much has changed since then.The amount of times I see

0:19:31 > 0:19:35black young guys going from school and getting stopped and searched is

0:19:35 > 0:19:39just frustrating.Barry is 14 and says his first contact with the

0:19:39 > 0:19:43police was when he was searched on his way home from school six months

0:19:43 > 0:19:51ago.I was about to go home. I was playing with my keys. I was feeling

0:19:51 > 0:19:55bored and I accidentally dropped my keys near the police station and

0:19:55 > 0:20:01then some police they came over. They said because at the time I had

0:20:01 > 0:20:14a bag as well. So, they said can you

0:20:14 > 0:20:14They said because at the time I had a bag as well. So, they said can you

0:20:14 > 0:20:24empty your bag

0:20:24 > 0:20:27I've been stopped and searched once when I was 12 last year

0:20:27 > 0:20:30I was on my way to training and I was at the bus stop waiting

0:20:30 > 0:20:34for my bus and two police officers approached me and they said I match

0:20:34 > 0:20:43the description of something that had happened.

0:20:43 > 0:20:45I've been stopped a lot of times when I was young.

0:20:45 > 0:20:48Whilst they've never been in trouble with the police,

0:20:48 > 0:20:4926-year-old Ahmed has.

0:20:49 > 0:20:51He said he used to be part of a gang.

0:20:51 > 0:20:54Do you think you were stopped because of the way you looked

0:20:54 > 0:20:56or maybe because of what you were wearing?

0:20:56 > 0:20:58The way I looked on what I was wearing.

0:20:58 > 0:21:01My colour was the main thing I got stopped for.

0:21:01 > 0:21:03Do you think it's really just down to that?

0:21:03 > 0:21:04Yes.

0:21:04 > 0:21:05Why?

0:21:05 > 0:21:08I've been stopped over at 70 times because of my colour.

0:21:08 > 0:21:10Even now I do something good for the community

0:21:10 > 0:21:16I still get stopped.

0:21:16 > 0:21:19Don't you accept the police have a job to do and they have

0:21:19 > 0:21:20to try and keep people safe?

0:21:20 > 0:21:23Yes, they have a job to do and I understand,

0:21:23 > 0:21:25but there's better things to do than search me.

0:21:25 > 0:21:28What do you think the police can do to make stop and search more

0:21:28 > 0:21:30effective so people like you, who aren't criminals,

0:21:30 > 0:21:32who aren't doing bad things, aren't being stopped?

0:21:32 > 0:21:33Do their job properly.

0:21:33 > 0:21:34Simple as that.

0:21:34 > 0:21:35Do your job properly.

0:21:35 > 0:21:36Know people's rights.

0:21:36 > 0:21:41Do your job properly.

0:21:41 > 0:21:46I also know what it feels like to be stopped and searched.

0:21:46 > 0:21:49In fact, the most recent is at this very spot where I'm standing.

0:21:49 > 0:21:52Now I remember four plain-clothed officers approaching me.

0:21:52 > 0:21:56It was all so sudden, all so unexpected.

0:21:56 > 0:21:59They asked me what I was doing.

0:21:59 > 0:22:02I pointed in that direction and said I was on my way home,

0:22:02 > 0:22:05and yet I was still searched.

0:22:05 > 0:22:09There's been drug dealing on this estate.

0:22:09 > 0:22:11We've seen people stop, they run away from us.

0:22:11 > 0:22:14We've arrested people for cannabis.

0:22:14 > 0:22:19Your behaviour, how you was on your bike,...

0:22:19 > 0:22:20Sorry, I'm allowed to film.

0:22:20 > 0:22:24Stay still.

0:22:24 > 0:22:27At that point, the officer took my phone and stopped me

0:22:27 > 0:22:30recording what was happening and I was detained and searched.

0:22:30 > 0:22:35We're going to put some gloves on.

0:22:35 > 0:22:38OK.

0:22:38 > 0:22:40The Misuse of Drugs Act power was used to search me,

0:22:40 > 0:22:43that's despite me never having used drugs in my entire life.

0:22:43 > 0:22:44Can you stay still?

0:22:44 > 0:22:47I am, I am.

0:22:47 > 0:22:50After challenging the police on their grounds for searching me

0:22:50 > 0:22:53I was given an apology for what happened and was invited

0:22:53 > 0:22:55to go out on patrol with their officers to see how

0:22:55 > 0:22:58they use their stop and search powers.

0:22:58 > 0:23:00This month in Hackney through stop and search, we've removed

0:23:00 > 0:23:02eight weapons off people.

0:23:02 > 0:23:05We've actually taken as weapons off the street and that prevents them

0:23:05 > 0:23:07being used in what could be murders.

0:23:07 > 0:23:09Secondly, if people know that the police are out there making

0:23:09 > 0:23:12use of stop and search powers, it acts as a deterrent

0:23:12 > 0:23:16for people to carry weapons.

0:23:16 > 0:23:19Within minutes we receive reports of a man threatening to stab a woman

0:23:19 > 0:23:22with a knife in a nearby park in Hackney, North London.

0:23:22 > 0:23:24Received.

0:23:24 > 0:23:29Do we know what sort of knife it was?

0:23:29 > 0:23:34All we've got is this park, so we're just going to see if anyone

0:23:34 > 0:23:36that matches the description.

0:23:36 > 0:23:38You're looking for a tall, slim-build black man

0:23:38 > 0:23:42with a salt-and-pepper moustache.

0:23:42 > 0:23:45Would there be any doubt in your mind if you do see this man

0:23:45 > 0:23:47whether he needs to be searched or not?

0:23:47 > 0:23:49It's about having a suspicion.

0:23:49 > 0:23:51So at the moment, with the information that I've got,

0:23:51 > 0:23:53if we found someone that closely matches

0:23:53 > 0:23:55that description, yes, I have a suspicion he might be

0:23:55 > 0:23:56carrying a knife.

0:23:56 > 0:23:59Officers were unable to locate the man who reportedly had a knife

0:23:59 > 0:24:01but across the UK knife crime is on the rise,

0:24:01 > 0:24:09especially in London.

0:24:09 > 0:24:15For all the crit sisms about stop and search, the Met point to the

0:24:15 > 0:24:19statistics, 150 people were stabbed in the capital and last year that

0:24:19 > 0:24:24figure rose to more than 1200. The figures I know would suggest that

0:24:24 > 0:24:27the majority of those involved in knife

0:24:27 > 0:24:29the majority of those involved in knife crime are young, They are

0:24:29 > 0:24:33almost all men.There is a high proportion that are black and ethnic

0:24:33 > 0:24:38minority than not. We look at maybe some of our activities to target

0:24:38 > 0:24:41gang members and you look at the make up of those gangs. That could

0:24:41 > 0:24:44be another reason or the demographics of any particular part

0:24:44 > 0:24:50of London.The person with a knife punched the informant in the face.

0:24:50 > 0:24:55So we are going to a call to a shop down in the south of borrow. There

0:24:55 > 0:25:01is a group of youths in the shop and the shop owner asked them to move.

0:25:01 > 0:25:06One of them pulled a knife out and threatened him with it. It is a

0:25:06 > 0:25:09white, 13 to 14-year-old, grey tracksuit, President Hollande hair.

0:25:09 > 0:25:14So we have got, I think, we have got three units going to this call and

0:25:14 > 0:25:23CCTV looking. The officer has explained you are being searched

0:25:23 > 0:25:28because someone produced a flick knife.Officers stop a 16-year-old

0:25:28 > 0:25:37who matches the description. But his 15-year-old friend who, is black, is

0:25:37 > 0:25:44being arrested.Possession of Class B drugs. We are searching under

0:25:44 > 0:25:49PACE. A flick knife is a weapon, but we found drugs on this boy. Sew has

0:25:49 > 0:25:53been arrested. The other one hasn't got a knife and nothing illegal. We

0:25:53 > 0:25:57will get his details and he will be on his way.Now these officers are

0:25:57 > 0:26:01keen for us to see that the Met wants to change the public's

0:26:01 > 0:26:07opinions about stop and search, for decades the force faced accusations

0:26:07 > 0:26:10of racism, but for there to be change, there has to be trust. Do

0:26:10 > 0:26:14you think black people have to just accept the fact that they will be

0:26:14 > 0:26:19stopped and searched because it's an effective way in tackling knife and

0:26:19 > 0:26:24violent crime?We are not looking to blanket search young men. We are

0:26:24 > 0:26:31looking to search gang members and people who matches the suspect. If

0:26:31 > 0:26:34we see someone that matches that description, they will be searched.

0:26:34 > 0:26:39As was the case today. That's what we operate on. We don't generalise

0:26:39 > 0:26:43and we don't blank sercht people based on their gender or age or

0:26:43 > 0:26:48ethnicity. It is not a case that all black men have to accept they will

0:26:48 > 0:26:59be searched.Adam spent time on the Met Police. He says he witnessed

0:26:59 > 0:27:03officers deliberately searching young black men.It permeates the he

0:27:03 > 0:27:07entire police service at every level. Ultimately, racism within the

0:27:07 > 0:27:14Metropolitan Police is a massive issue. That infects every, it

0:27:14 > 0:27:17infects the police at every level. What were some of the things you

0:27:17 > 0:27:20saw?I have seen many police officers stop people that what I

0:27:20 > 0:27:24consider would be based on their racial prejudices because of the

0:27:24 > 0:27:27colour of their skin and even when we were training to be police

0:27:27 > 0:27:32officers, I remember that we had one particular trainer who was very open

0:27:32 > 0:27:36in his views. His words were if we rock up to a call when there is a

0:27:36 > 0:27:40group of eight or nine young plaque guys wearing hoodies, they are going

0:27:40 > 0:27:46to get spun and turned over. My response was why? In this scenario

0:27:46 > 0:27:49that you've sort of concocted, there is no other information other than

0:27:49 > 0:27:52the fact that they are young, black men, and that they are wearing

0:27:52 > 0:27:56hoodies and that is the only factor in your decision making in that they

0:27:56 > 0:28:02are going to get searched.Do I believe that officers are using

0:28:02 > 0:28:04their pour we are inappropriately? The majority I would say are not

0:28:04 > 0:28:09doing that. We act based on the information we receive and the

0:28:09 > 0:28:13individual circumstances we are responding to.You accept there is a

0:28:13 > 0:28:16small number of officers who are misusing their powers and it is as a

0:28:16 > 0:28:20result of that, that's causing problems between the police and

0:28:20 > 0:28:23certain ethnic communities, isn't it I am not saying they are misusing

0:28:23 > 0:28:26their powers. There were complaints that have been made that have been

0:28:26 > 0:28:29investigated and maybe it has been found that there weren't the grounds

0:28:29 > 0:28:33there for the search, but we are a massive organisation and some people

0:28:33 > 0:28:38will make mistakes or get it wrong. In the last year the Metropolitan

0:28:38 > 0:28:43Police carried out nearly 136 stop and searches. Down from 152,000 the

0:28:43 > 0:28:48year before. The Home Office tells us stop and search reforms are

0:28:48 > 0:28:52working, but are all police forces across the country using the tactic

0:28:52 > 0:28:56fairly? Nick is a former Leicestershire Police chief

0:28:56 > 0:29:00inspector.I think there are still police officers across the country

0:29:00 > 0:29:08who are misusing their powers, yes. It's less than it was three or four,

0:29:08 > 0:29:13four, five years ago. By misuse, they haven't got the grounds to use

0:29:13 > 0:29:16them or they are using the incorrect power or they are using, whether it

0:29:16 > 0:29:20is conscious or unconscious bias, prejudice, discrimination...Since

0:29:20 > 0:29:24he was a teenager, Nick has been stopped and searched more than 30

0:29:24 > 0:29:30times whilst off duty. There will be a lot of people watching who will

0:29:30 > 0:29:34find it staggering that somebody like yourself, a police inspector,

0:29:34 > 0:29:41is being stopped and searched?Yes. And the interesting comparison is if

0:29:41 > 0:29:45I talk to my former colleagues and ask them how many times they have

0:29:45 > 0:29:48been stopped by the police, some have never been stopped which I

0:29:48 > 0:29:51always find amazing because I have been stopped since I was 17 years

0:29:51 > 0:29:55old. So I think it is the comparison. It's like why is it me?

0:29:55 > 0:29:59And why is it not, you know, former colleagues, who have a different

0:29:59 > 0:30:08skin colour to me?For many young black men like me, our first

0:30:08 > 0:30:14interactions with the police tend to be to stop and search, which often

0:30:14 > 0:30:16leads to no further action because of a lack of evidence. The police

0:30:16 > 0:30:23say they make no apology when it comes to saving lives.I have seen

0:30:23 > 0:30:28numerous stabbings on the street and someone has been walking around

0:30:28 > 0:30:32carrying a weapon on that person for that to happen. If we had stopped

0:30:32 > 0:30:37and searched them before that, it could have been avoided. This is why

0:30:37 > 0:30:42it is incredibly important and it does save lives.

0:30:42 > 0:30:45The Home Office told us no one should be stopped because of their

0:30:45 > 0:30:54race or ethnicity. They will have to explain disparities in the areas

0:30:54 > 0:31:00because if it is misused, it can damage policing. Let me read you

0:31:00 > 0:31:04these messages. This is from someone who has not left their name, I grew

0:31:04 > 0:31:09up wanting to be a detective, but being mixed race in south London, I

0:31:09 > 0:31:14was not educated about my rights and I was targeted by the police

0:31:14 > 0:31:17constantly from 14. Understandably savvy job to do, but when you are

0:31:17 > 0:31:23stopped and searched multiple times before you have omitted a crime, you

0:31:23 > 0:31:28are put in a box. -- I understand the police have a job to do. I am a

0:31:28 > 0:31:33changed man now, after committing crime for several years, but I whiz

0:31:33 > 0:31:37wonder, what if I had never been searched all of those times? -- I

0:31:37 > 0:31:43always wonder. A metropolitan officer says, I will not be watching

0:31:43 > 0:31:46your programme again. Stop and search certainly does not target

0:31:46 > 0:31:51particular groups of people. Another says, the conclusion of all of the

0:31:51 > 0:31:55black men and boys on your programme is the Met Police are racially

0:31:55 > 0:31:59profile in black people. Another says, stopping people based on the

0:31:59 > 0:32:05way they walk, dress, speak and indeed there ethnicity or skin

0:32:05 > 0:32:11colour is not law enforcement. We will talk to the father of a teenage

0:32:11 > 0:32:13boy who was fatally stabbed in London earlier this year outside his

0:32:13 > 0:32:21school. He believes in stop and search and says it must continue.

0:32:21 > 0:32:24Still to come... Allegations of harassment at Westminster continue

0:32:24 > 0:32:28to emerge, we ask politicians whether what is being suggested by

0:32:28 > 0:32:32Mrs May and other party leaders is going to be enough to tackle it. We

0:32:32 > 0:32:42will be meeting Pride of Britain Fundraiser of the Year Jake who lost

0:32:42 > 0:32:46his wife to cancer and he is hoping to realise their dream of having a

0:32:46 > 0:32:56child through a surrogate. Time for the latest news.

0:32:56 > 0:32:59Leaked documents known as the Paradise Papers reveal that

0:32:59 > 0:33:02Apple moved its profits to Jersey after a tax loophole

0:33:02 > 0:33:05in Ireland was closed.

0:33:05 > 0:33:08The arrangement isn't illegal but means the technology giant saves

0:33:08 > 0:33:10billions in corporation tax.

0:33:10 > 0:33:15Apple says it remains the world's largest taxpayer.

0:33:15 > 0:33:22The government in Jersey says it will be investigated.

0:33:22 > 0:33:25The files also show Formula 1 world champion Lewis Hamilton avoided tax

0:33:25 > 0:33:28on a £16.5 million luxury jet by importing it into

0:33:28 > 0:33:29the Isle of Man in 2013.

0:33:29 > 0:33:33His lawyers say the process was lawful.

0:33:33 > 0:33:36Donald Trump has been greeted with full ceremony in South Korea on the

0:33:36 > 0:33:41latest leg of his tour of East Asia. His 24-hour visit comes as tensions

0:33:41 > 0:33:46remain high on the Korean peninsular. Speaking at a news

0:33:46 > 0:33:50conference in Seoul, President Trump said he believed his policies

0:33:50 > 0:33:54towards North Korea were beginning to have some impact and he suggested

0:33:54 > 0:33:59the North may be persuaded to negotiate. The husband of a British

0:33:59 > 0:34:02woman jailed in Iran has said the Foreign Secretary, Boris Johnson,

0:34:02 > 0:34:07should correct an error he made when he was talking about the case. Mr

0:34:07 > 0:34:13Johnson told MPs that Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe has been training

0:34:13 > 0:34:18journalists. Her husband, Richard, says she was on holiday. The legal

0:34:18 > 0:34:21authorities in Iran have threatened to increase the five-year sentence

0:34:21 > 0:34:26imposed on her. The Prime Minister has asked for the ministerial code

0:34:26 > 0:34:32of conduct to be tightened after an MP apologised for holding secret

0:34:32 > 0:34:38meetings with Israeli officials in the summer. Priti Patel, the

0:34:38 > 0:34:41International Development Secretary, apologised for not informing the

0:34:41 > 0:34:44Foreign Office and suggesting Boris Johnson knew in advance of the

0:34:44 > 0:34:50visit. Labour said the shocking admission warranted a Cabinet Office

0:34:50 > 0:34:56inquiry. That is the summary of the latest BBC News. Good morning.

0:34:56 > 0:34:57Welcome to the programme. Sport again

0:35:01 > 0:35:06. David Moyes is the new West Ham boss. They sacked Slaven Bilic

0:35:06 > 0:35:11yesterday. He has signed a two and a half year deal. His job is to keep

0:35:11 > 0:35:16West Ham in the Premier League. Steven Finn is that of England's

0:35:16 > 0:35:21Ashes tour after tearing cartilage in his knee. The first Test starts

0:35:21 > 0:35:27on the 21st of the month. England already without Ben Stokes. The race

0:35:27 > 0:35:31that stops a nation, the Melbourne cup in Australia, incredible finish

0:35:31 > 0:35:38as the 14-1 shot overtook in the closing sprint. The trainer of the

0:35:38 > 0:35:43winning horse was Joseph O'Brien. The trainer of the horse he beat to

0:35:43 > 0:35:47the line was his father, the best in the world. Passing from one

0:35:47 > 0:35:51generation to the next!

0:35:51 > 0:35:53Westminster party leaders have agreed to introduce a new grievance

0:35:53 > 0:35:58procedure for staff to deal with misconduct allegations.

0:35:58 > 0:36:00It follows a week which has seen allegation after allegation

0:36:00 > 0:36:02of sexual harassment and assault for a number of MPs.

0:36:07 > 0:36:12This wave of accusations and investigations began last month with

0:36:12 > 0:36:17the suspension of Labour MP Jared O'Mara over claims he used

0:36:17 > 0:36:20misogynistic and homophobic comments. Four days later, the

0:36:20 > 0:36:24international Trade Minister, Mark Garnier, is investigated by the

0:36:24 > 0:36:28Cabinet Office after admitting asking his secretary to buy sex

0:36:28 > 0:36:34toys. Then came claims in the Times the man effectively Theresa May's

0:36:34 > 0:36:38deputy, Damian Green, fleetingly touched a younger woman's me and

0:36:38 > 0:36:42sent her a suggestive text. The Cabinet Office launches an

0:36:42 > 0:36:46investigation. The first Secretary of State calls the claims are untrue

0:36:46 > 0:36:51and deeply hurtful. The Labour Party launch an investigation after a

0:36:51 > 0:36:55well-known activist said she had been raped at a party event in 2011

0:36:55 > 0:37:01and she was discouraged from reporting the attack. A day later,

0:37:01 > 0:37:03big-name resignation, Sir Michael Fallon quits as Defence Secretary

0:37:03 > 0:37:07saying his behaviour in the past may have fallen short of standards

0:37:07 > 0:37:13expected.I have behaved in the past clearly in a way that has

0:37:13 > 0:37:17occasionally been below the standards we require of the Armed

0:37:17 > 0:37:21Forces. I do not think it is right for me to go on as Defence

0:37:21 > 0:37:24Secretary, expecting the very highest standards of our servicemen

0:37:24 > 0:37:29and women and failing to meet them myself.Last Thursday evening,

0:37:29 > 0:37:33Labour suspended the MP Kelvin Hopkins over allegations of

0:37:33 > 0:37:37inappropriate conduct made by a party activist which he

0:37:37 > 0:37:42categorically denies. Friday, it is the turn of another Labour MP to

0:37:42 > 0:37:45deny allegations, Clive Lewis is being investigated over claims he

0:37:45 > 0:37:53groped a woman at the conference.I do not as a rule at Labour Party

0:37:53 > 0:38:02conference grope people's bottoms. It is not how I roll, not what I do.

0:38:02 > 0:38:08Is the person mistaken? Have I given them a hug and this has been

0:38:08 > 0:38:12misinterpreted? I don't know. All I know is I would not deliberately do

0:38:12 > 0:38:18that.Tory MP Charlie Elphicke is suspended a day later after serious

0:38:18 > 0:38:23allegations are referred to police. He denies any wrongdoing. Sunday,

0:38:23 > 0:38:27the investigation into Damian Green widens. Pornography was found on one

0:38:27 > 0:38:32of his parliamentary computers in 2008. He describes the claims as

0:38:32 > 0:38:39false. Conservative MP then resigns as government whip after being

0:38:39 > 0:38:44accused of making an unwanted path at a former Olympic rower and

0:38:44 > 0:38:53Conservative activists Alex story in 2001. Three Tory MPs are referred to

0:38:53 > 0:38:55the party's disciplinary committee after allegations about their

0:38:55 > 0:39:01conduct. Daniel Potter and Daniel Kochanski deny wrongdoing. Stephen

0:39:01 > 0:39:05Crabb admits saying some pretty outrageous things to a woman after

0:39:05 > 0:39:10interviewing her for a job. Yesterday another claim, the

0:39:10 > 0:39:13Conservative Party activist tells this programme she was raped by

0:39:13 > 0:39:17someone more senior in the party but that her complaints to the House of

0:39:17 > 0:39:22Commons authorities were completely ignored.I remember the attack

0:39:22 > 0:39:28during the attack, I remember the room disappearing around me and

0:39:28 > 0:39:33thinking I was going to die. When he left the next day, I was at the

0:39:33 > 0:39:39police station within an hour.

0:39:39 > 0:39:43We can speak now to Ian Blackford, leader of the SNP in the House

0:39:43 > 0:39:45of Commons in Westminster who was at the meeting

0:39:45 > 0:39:53yesterday, the Labour MP, Catherine West,

0:39:53 > 0:39:55who was elected in 2015, and Alistair Carmichael,

0:39:55 > 0:39:58the Liberal Democrat Chief Whip.

0:39:58 > 0:40:02He is on his way to the Millbank Studios. Ian Blackford, do you think

0:40:02 > 0:40:08the outcome of the meeting was enough?We have agreed we will set

0:40:08 > 0:40:11up a working group with that aim we have a grievance procedures in place

0:40:11 > 0:40:15by the beginning of next year, the outline of what will be proposed has

0:40:15 > 0:40:25to come together by the 1st of December. I think it is important we

0:40:25 > 0:40:29work on a cross-party basis. We should be under no doubt what the

0:40:29 > 0:40:35public expects, to show leadership. How does having a grievance

0:40:35 > 0:40:41procedure finally in place stopped MPs behaving so appallingly?We have

0:40:41 > 0:40:44to set out zero tolerance of bad behaviour, bad sexual behaviour,

0:40:44 > 0:40:49bullion. We have to see it as a watershed moment, leadership has to

0:40:49 > 0:40:52be shown across the political parties and we have to say anybody

0:40:52 > 0:40:58behaving unacceptably, they will pay a price, there will be consequences.

0:40:58 > 0:41:04Anyone that comes across in constituency offices, they will know

0:41:04 > 0:41:07they will be protected, that they will be encouraged to come forward

0:41:07 > 0:41:11with any allegations of bad behaviour and this will be taken

0:41:11 > 0:41:16seriously. This is our one chance to show we are serious about this, not

0:41:16 > 0:41:20just about Parliament, it is about behaviour right through society and

0:41:20 > 0:41:23we have to take leadership on this and will betide anybody that plays

0:41:23 > 0:41:29with that. All political parties have to accept responsibility.Are

0:41:29 > 0:41:33you satisfied with the grievance procedure outcome?We are in the

0:41:33 > 0:41:36foothills because we have to then have the working party looking at

0:41:36 > 0:41:42the detail but it is fantastic to see the party leaders around a table

0:41:42 > 0:41:46speaking to each other face-to-face rather than across the floor of the

0:41:46 > 0:41:50Commons and also this is so shocking and everybody is shocked by it,

0:41:50 > 0:41:54right from the journalists who have been subject to it from time to

0:41:54 > 0:41:58time, right through to very serious sexual assault allegations which are

0:41:58 > 0:42:09being looked at by

0:42:10 > 0:42:12the police.Are you confident that people who work on the parliamentary

0:42:12 > 0:42:14estate, whether they be researchers, activists, lobbyists, journalists,

0:42:14 > 0:42:16MPs, Cabinet ministers, how may step up and behave normally, properly,

0:42:16 > 0:42:24and with respect?They have to.Are you confident they can?Yes. People

0:42:24 > 0:42:29have to...Criminal activity, they will lose their seats. It is not

0:42:29 > 0:42:33criminal activity, just grim behaviour.We must make it

0:42:33 > 0:42:36absolutely clear society has to change, the kind of issues that have

0:42:36 > 0:42:41come to light not acceptable. This is the opportunity for politicians

0:42:41 > 0:42:45to take a lead and show there has to be respect. One of the things that

0:42:45 > 0:42:52has to come out of this is training, for 4-star.What do you mean,

0:42:52 > 0:42:59consent classes?-- 4-star. Consent classes.Do you agree?So many

0:42:59 > 0:43:02people come into Parliament from many different walks of life, many

0:43:02 > 0:43:07have never employed anybody, others are HR managers, a huge gap between

0:43:07 > 0:43:12some people coming in...Wherever you have come from into Parliament,

0:43:12 > 0:43:17you know not to pinch someone's backside, do you know not to send

0:43:17 > 0:43:21them the sexually explicit text when they have applied for a job,

0:43:21 > 0:43:25everybody knows that.You would have thought so, but unfortunately, some

0:43:25 > 0:43:28have not lived by that code. Alistair Carmichael has just joined

0:43:28 > 0:43:35us. The Chief Whip for the Liberal Democrats. Good morning. Yesterday

0:43:35 > 0:43:39your party suspended an MP and referred allegations to the police.

0:43:39 > 0:43:44An activist claimed Lib Dem HQ hushed up the rape complaint made

0:43:44 > 0:43:48against a party activist. What is this culture of wanting to push

0:43:48 > 0:43:52things up?You said we had suspended a Member of Parliament yesterday,

0:43:52 > 0:43:59that is not it. The case you are referring to, an allegation of a

0:43:59 > 0:44:03rape was made and that was passed on to the police. I do not think it is

0:44:03 > 0:44:08fair to characterise that as some sort of cover-up.Right, OK. There

0:44:08 > 0:44:12is a desire, you have to acknowledge... As the Chief Whip,

0:44:12 > 0:44:18there was a desire, not just the Chief Whip of the Lib Dems, but

0:44:18 > 0:44:23there is a desire to protect the party rather than show duty of care

0:44:23 > 0:44:30to individuals?No, there is no doubt this has been... That has

0:44:30 > 0:44:33perhaps been the way business has been done in the House of Commons in

0:44:33 > 0:44:38the past and we have all in our different parties had instances of

0:44:38 > 0:44:43cases where it could have been done better. I think the message that

0:44:43 > 0:44:47came very clearly from yesterday's meeting is that what ever has been

0:44:47 > 0:44:51done in the past, whatever the inadequacies of that, we have all

0:44:51 > 0:44:54learned at different times, in my party, very robust procedures in

0:44:54 > 0:44:59case a couple of years ago, that the culture has changed and people who

0:44:59 > 0:45:05have suffered this treatment in the past or might suffer it now, they

0:45:05 > 0:45:09should feel able to come forward and report it in the confidence the

0:45:09 > 0:45:12investigation will be proper and robust.Does that mean you are

0:45:12 > 0:45:19saying that you do not have information about the misdemeanours

0:45:19 > 0:45:23of MPs that you are keeping to yourself in order to put pressure on

0:45:23 > 0:45:26them at some point to vote a particular way on an issue?

0:45:26 > 0:45:34Blackmail?Absolutely not. There has been no time where I have ever used

0:45:34 > 0:45:37information I have held about somebody's misdemeanours in order to

0:45:37 > 0:45:41get them to behave in a certain way. That has not been the way we have

0:45:41 > 0:45:45done business.

0:45:45 > 0:45:50If somebody came to you and suggested that someone senior in the

0:45:50 > 0:45:53Liberal Democrats had sexually harassed them. What would you do

0:45:53 > 0:45:57with that information?There is a process to be gone through here. In

0:45:57 > 0:46:01the Liberal Democrats we have a pastoral care officer whose job it

0:46:01 > 0:46:05is to take complaints like that to deal with them, either within the

0:46:05 > 0:46:10party or if it involves a case of serious criminal behaviour, they

0:46:10 > 0:46:14have to help that person make complaint to the person.

0:46:14 > 0:46:20-- police. The individual should probably be

0:46:20 > 0:46:29suspended in the meantime.Yes. If they are a party member, they should

0:46:29 > 0:46:35be suspended.There seems to be an issue regarding alcohol according to

0:46:35 > 0:46:40a come we spoke to who said she had seen women plied with drink in the

0:46:40 > 0:46:44Parliamentary bars and women were treated as meat. Is that fair?Well,

0:46:44 > 0:46:48I think some of the bars should close. We should have strangers

0:46:48 > 0:46:53where you can invite a um can have constituents in for a friendly pint

0:46:53 > 0:46:58and it is well managed that bar, but some of the others, like the sports

0:46:58 > 0:47:01and social, why people can't go out of Parliament and have their drink

0:47:01 > 0:47:04out there and then it is not a Parliamentary problem.So just push

0:47:04 > 0:47:08it somewhere else?Once you are out there, you have police. You have

0:47:08 > 0:47:14licensing regulations and so on. At the moment...How many bars are

0:47:14 > 0:47:16theren ot Parliamentary estate? There are a number of bars. We have

0:47:16 > 0:47:21to clean up our act.Do you agree, close them all, apart from one?

0:47:21 > 0:47:23There is an issue with sports and social. I don't like sports and

0:47:23 > 0:47:27social. I never go there. The atmosphere about the place is

0:47:27 > 0:47:31something I would question.It is aggressive.Sorry, it is aggressive?

0:47:31 > 0:47:36You walk in and it feels like an old boozer. It is not a workplace. How

0:47:36 > 0:47:39many people is there a bar in the BBC where your people can pop down

0:47:39 > 0:47:45for a drink after this show, have a drink and come back to work?It is

0:47:45 > 0:47:53not modern. Some of our audience say take away the subsidy.I don't think

0:47:53 > 0:47:59any Parliamentarian wants to be in a environment where it is being

0:47:59 > 0:48:04subsidised.Change it then. Don't just make the point, do something.

0:48:04 > 0:48:08That's what we did yesterday by setting up this working group. We

0:48:08 > 0:48:12need to move ahead quickly and we need to make sure that we can be a

0:48:12 > 0:48:17modern people that treats people with respect. It has to be

0:48:17 > 0:48:20protecting the rights of all our members. This is the opportunity to

0:48:20 > 0:48:23get this right and if we don't do harks the public will judge us and

0:48:23 > 0:48:27judge us rightly on the failure to act in an appropriate manner. With

0:48:27 > 0:48:33he need to make sure that people are protected and we take a lead through

0:48:33 > 0:48:40society.I'm told there is a sign outside the sports bar, what happens

0:48:40 > 0:48:47here stays here. Violators will be shot.This goes back to the culture.

0:48:47 > 0:48:52We want to have from what I can see the party leaders sitting around the

0:48:52 > 0:48:55table which they haven't done on Northern Ireland or Brexit or any of

0:48:55 > 0:48:57the other things which are happening, they are doing it because

0:48:57 > 0:48:59we have to take responsibility now. And we have to change the culture.

0:48:59 > 0:49:10OK. Thank you all. Thank you very much. Catherine, Ian, and Allister.

0:49:10 > 0:49:13Thank you.

0:49:13 > 0:49:14Coming up:

0:49:14 > 0:49:17We'll be talking to two people who receive Universal Credit

0:49:17 > 0:49:19as the Government is being warned that foodbanks could struggle

0:49:19 > 0:49:25to meet demand this winter unless urgent action is taken.

0:49:26 > 0:49:30A husband who lost his wife to cancer is hoping to realise

0:49:30 > 0:49:33their dream of having a child through a surrogate.

0:49:33 > 0:49:36Emmy Coates died in June, just 18 months after she'd been diagnosed

0:49:36 > 0:49:39with thyroid cancer.

0:49:39 > 0:49:45She was 31.

0:49:45 > 0:49:49She'd blogged about her dream of becoming a mum and said husband

0:49:49 > 0:49:51Jake would be the "best dad in the world".

0:49:51 > 0:49:53They'd discovered they were pregnant with a surrogate

0:49:53 > 0:49:54just weeks before her death.

0:49:54 > 0:50:00Together, Emmy and Jake had raised over £140,000

0:50:00 > 0:50:09for the Royal Marsden Hospital in London, by cycling across Europe

0:50:09 > 0:50:11and tonight, on ITV, you'll be able to see Jake pick

0:50:11 > 0:50:13up his Daily Mirror Pride of Britain Award for

0:50:13 > 0:50:15Fundraiser of the Year.

0:50:15 > 0:50:22She will kill me for saying it, but there is one nurse we named our

0:50:22 > 0:50:27tandem after called Tara Hurly who an angel from heaven who has given

0:50:27 > 0:50:33me sop much strength and she gave Emmy so many smiles and so much

0:50:33 > 0:50:35laughter and the Royal Marsden Hospital is the most incredible

0:50:35 > 0:50:46place and I feel very honoured... APPLAUSE

0:50:46 > 0:50:50Well, fi guess they just don't make gentlemen like you anymore. No, I

0:50:50 > 0:50:55think they broke the mould when they made him. I just want to

0:50:55 > 0:50:59congratulate you because you really, you really, really, really, deserve

0:50:59 > 0:51:07this award. APPLAUSE

0:51:07 > 0:51:15Thank you, Amanda. Thank you, Joan and congratulations once again.

0:51:15 > 0:51:29APPLAUSE To Emmy and Jake Coates.

0:51:32 > 0:51:32APPLAUSE

0:51:32 > 0:51:37And Jake joins us now.

0:51:37 > 0:51:42How are you doing?I was getting emotional hearing you talk about it.

0:51:42 > 0:51:47It is quite close sometimes.Of course. I'm going to ask you about

0:51:47 > 0:51:52Emmy and tell our audience when you first met her?We met when we were

0:51:52 > 0:51:5911 years old. We met 24 days to the day we got marred kid and we went to

0:51:59 > 0:52:01secondary school in Hereford Cathedral.When you were 13 you

0:52:01 > 0:52:08said, you said that she was your lobster. What did you mean?That

0:52:08 > 0:52:13refers to a wonderful Friends episode where Phoebe remarks on Ross

0:52:13 > 0:52:17and Rachel as being lobsters and apparently lobsters mate for life.

0:52:17 > 0:52:21So my point to that was that, you know, we were always kind of meant

0:52:21 > 0:52:25to be and we would always be together.

0:52:25 > 0:52:29I mean you did split up, but then you got back together a decade

0:52:29 > 0:52:33later. And you knew you were planning on proposing when you

0:52:33 > 0:52:37discovered a lump in her neck, is that right?Yes. So, we really

0:52:37 > 0:52:43hadn't been back in touch very long. We got back in touch in October

0:52:43 > 0:52:472015, over social media. I was in Australia working as a doctor. I

0:52:47 > 0:52:51came back to visit at Christmas and she came out in the February half

0:52:51 > 0:52:54term and over that time, I was so certain that this was exactly what I

0:52:54 > 0:52:58wanted and you know, I thought it would be the best thing, that I

0:52:58 > 0:53:02started planning the proposal, buying the ring and I planned to

0:53:02 > 0:53:05propose in March, in the Philippines on holiday, a wonderful holiday, but

0:53:05 > 0:53:11when she came out in February, I have got this muscle in my neck

0:53:11 > 0:53:16would you mind giving me a massage and it was just straightaway, she

0:53:16 > 0:53:22had these very rubbery kind of bunch of grape limpth nodes innier neck,

0:53:22 > 0:53:29you are taught at med school, they are a sign of badness. It doesn't

0:53:29 > 0:53:37mean thyroid cancer, but it often means something nasty.You were

0:53:37 > 0:53:41worried straightaway. Your concerns were right. How shocking was it for

0:53:41 > 0:53:46you both to receive that news?Yeah, that was pretty awful. I sent, I

0:53:46 > 0:53:51said go, back have a neck biopsy. She went back and they rushed it and

0:53:51 > 0:53:57did it within a couple of weeks. The results came back but because I knew

0:53:57 > 0:54:04it had spread to the limpth nodes, I knew it was bad. I flew back the

0:54:04 > 0:54:07moment she got the diagnosis and it was only, it was very quick from

0:54:07 > 0:54:10then on really. She had been waiting a long time. She had been having

0:54:10 > 0:54:14symptom for a long time, almost two years, but once we got that, jumped

0:54:14 > 0:54:18that hurdle, everything just kind of fell like dominoes and we were

0:54:18 > 0:54:23referred to the Royal Marsden very quickly and I can't even begin

0:54:23 > 0:54:26actually, it breaks my heart now thinking about those days when she

0:54:26 > 0:54:29was diagnosed because it was a really tough time.

0:54:29 > 0:54:32One of the things that stands out and there are many about Emmy is

0:54:32 > 0:54:36that she, it seemed like she wanted to confront it.Yes.And with the

0:54:36 > 0:54:40time that was left, get on with it and live life?Yeah. I think that

0:54:40 > 0:54:46was it. I think that's the thing, that's garnered the most support

0:54:46 > 0:54:50from people and the public, one thing was raising awareness of cans

0:54:50 > 0:54:53nears young people, and raising money for an amazing place like the

0:54:53 > 0:55:00royal marred den, but she ended up kind of with her blog and with her

0:55:00 > 0:55:04outlook in life, her attitude to the cancer, this overwhelming adversity

0:55:04 > 0:55:07was so incredible. I think she pulled everybody else with her,

0:55:07 > 0:55:11along with her, she certainly pulled me along. She gave me the confidence

0:55:11 > 0:55:15to keep going and I think much of the 18 months when she was ill, we

0:55:15 > 0:55:19lived in denial because I think we both thought she would have a lot

0:55:19 > 0:55:24longer really. They gave her a 10% prognosis of living five years. It

0:55:24 > 0:55:31wasn't a question that she was going to be that 5%, she had the gumption

0:55:31 > 0:55:35and belief.You did this magnificent cycle ride to raise all this money.

0:55:35 > 0:55:39But that, that must have been really challenging at times particularly

0:55:39 > 0:55:42for her, obviously?Yeah. You wouldn't have known it though.

0:55:42 > 0:55:49Really.She was so strong. She was very gifted athlete anyway. But she,

0:55:49 > 0:55:53I mean, on a tandem, you are quite close to each other and she had her

0:55:53 > 0:55:57head or face about a foot away from my bum more about four weeks.She

0:55:57 > 0:56:03must have loved it.Yeah, but you know, we had battling winds and rain

0:56:03 > 0:56:10the whole time and she didn't complain once. She was amazing.Did

0:56:10 > 0:56:16fund-raising help both of you?Yeah. Undoubtedly. Over that period of

0:56:16 > 0:56:19time we gave ourselves lots of things to focus on. We got married.

0:56:19 > 0:56:23It was a huge thing. Having a kind of small steps, thinking about

0:56:23 > 0:56:27things a few months away, maybe a holiday or something to tick off the

0:56:27 > 0:56:31bucket list and the fund-raising was that. The block and the

0:56:31 > 0:56:35fund-raising, that whole kind of thing that grew was something that

0:56:35 > 0:56:38really gave us both a lot of strength and the fund raiding, when

0:56:38 > 0:56:43you see it ticking over and so many people also fund raiding on you are

0:56:43 > 0:56:47behalf. This is thanks to everybody really who has done so much for us.

0:56:47 > 0:56:52So that gave her so much positive energy.

0:56:52 > 0:56:57Before Emmy died, you made this incredible decision to try and have

0:56:57 > 0:57:02a baby using the eggs that she had frozen before chemotherapy had begun

0:57:02 > 0:57:06and using a surrogate and actually before she died, the surrogate was

0:57:06 > 0:57:11pregnant?Yes, that's right. So, about two weeks before she passed

0:57:11 > 0:57:18away, when Emmy was kind of last fully with us, compus mentus, we had

0:57:18 > 0:57:21a positive pregnancy test, we had three. Liz came to our house and it

0:57:21 > 0:57:27was a wonderful day. Emmy, we were so rushed off our feet over the

0:57:27 > 0:57:31previous weeks, she had nothing left. So by the time we had the

0:57:31 > 0:57:34pregnancy test back positive, it was only half an hour, she was falling

0:57:34 > 0:57:39asleep. She was fully empty. She had nothing left. And then

0:57:39 > 0:57:42unfortunately, I didn't see it coming. I mean in retrospect having

0:57:42 > 0:57:46looked at her and how frail she had become, I should have, but she just

0:57:46 > 0:57:51had become very, very weak and she, it had just come after a course of

0:57:51 > 0:57:54radiotherapy and afterwards you get tired, but she didn't quite wake up

0:57:54 > 0:57:59this time and then rushed her back to hospital. There was nothing

0:57:59 > 0:58:02acutely different, it was just progression and we decided, I

0:58:02 > 0:58:05decided to get her home. She wanted to go home and I didn't want her

0:58:05 > 0:58:10dying in hospital. So we took her home.It is so upsetting. But she

0:58:10 > 0:58:14knew the surrogate was pregnant. That's right. That was huge. That

0:58:14 > 0:58:20was massive for her.But sadly the pregnancy was ectopic and the baby

0:58:20 > 0:58:25lost, but you are going to try again.That's right. That was a

0:58:25 > 0:58:28really tough time. Afterwards, feeling numb and not knowing what

0:58:28 > 0:58:33was going on, Liz the surrogate who is just an angle said she had an

0:58:33 > 0:58:36ectopic and we spent a couple of days in hospital dealing with that,

0:58:36 > 0:58:39but it was never a question in my mind that I would do it again and

0:58:39 > 0:58:42Liz as well has been amazing. She has come forward and said, I would

0:58:42 > 0:58:47love to do this again for you. You told your story to the Daily

0:58:47 > 0:58:54Mirror. I wonder what you think about the future.It's, I guess, so

0:58:54 > 0:58:59uncertain. I don't want to breathe too heavily because I so desperately

0:58:59 > 0:59:04want this to happen. You are in the lap of the gods as it were, if this

0:59:04 > 0:59:08can happen, it would be the most amazing thing. To have a little part

0:59:08 > 0:59:11of Emmy, it would mean everything because at times it has been really

0:59:11 > 0:59:15dark and having something to kind of focus on the future would be

0:59:15 > 0:59:19massive. I know how much Emmy wanted it and I want it for her.Thank you

0:59:19 > 0:59:25very much.Thank you.Thank you, Jake. Thank you for coming in.

0:59:25 > 0:59:31Well done on the award.Thank you very much.

0:59:31 > 0:59:36Emmy's blog, people can go to it and see her writing?Absolutely. This is

0:59:36 > 0:59:41what I want to try and do, keep the message alive. She had a motto which

0:59:41 > 0:59:47was smile, love and be kind. It was really simple, but people latched on

0:59:47 > 0:59:53to it.Say it again.Smile, love and be kind. People re-evaluated their

0:59:53 > 0:59:57own lives, not just their health, what can they do differently, if she

0:59:57 > 1:00:03can do it facing what she faced what excuse do we have to worry and kind

1:00:03 > 1:00:09of feel sorry for ourselves, you know. It is a massive privilege to

1:00:09 > 1:00:13be able to take that message on and keep that message alive.Thank you

1:00:13 > 1:00:17very much, Jake. Thank you for telling us about Emmy.

1:00:17 > 1:00:21You can watch the Pride of Britain Awards tonight at 8pm on ITV.

1:00:21 > 1:00:26Let's get the latest weather update.

1:00:26 > 1:00:30That has not been the way we have done business.

1:00:30 > 1:00:33Heavy rain this morning in Queensbury not too far from

1:00:33 > 1:00:38Edinburgh, it has been wet. Also went across Cumbria, a band of rain

1:00:38 > 1:00:45sinking south. Behind it, turning colder. Temperatures at the moment

1:00:45 > 1:00:49in Belfast, six. We started off with higher values but as the cold front

1:00:49 > 1:00:55went through, the temperature dropped. Temperatures holding true

1:00:55 > 1:01:00around the band of rain. Some of the rain has been heavy, a lot of

1:01:00 > 1:01:05surface water and spray on the roads. The band will continue to

1:01:05 > 1:01:11journey slowly south-east through the day. Ahead of it, quite a lot of

1:01:11 > 1:01:16cloud, showers, blustery. Behind it, cloud but brightening up with

1:01:16 > 1:01:19sunshine and showers across Scotland and Northern Ireland. Into the

1:01:19 > 1:01:25afternoon, we still will have the band of rain across Yorkshire,

1:01:25 > 1:01:28Lincolnshire, Derbyshire, the Midlands, ahead of it, still a fair

1:01:28 > 1:01:31bit of cloud, showers, and temperatures still in double

1:01:31 > 1:01:36figures. Around the band, it will be blustery, gusty winds along the

1:01:36 > 1:01:42south coast, and behind the band, brighter spells, some sunshine and a

1:01:42 > 1:01:46few showers. This afternoon across much of Wales, showers, sunshine

1:01:46 > 1:01:51coming out across western parts of Wales. Northern Ireland, a lot of

1:01:51 > 1:01:56sunshine with some showers in the West. Some of those are likely to be

1:01:56 > 1:01:59heavy and possibly thundery. As they are across western parts of

1:01:59 > 1:02:05Scotland. The rest of Scotland, dry afternoon with lengthy sunny spells.

1:02:05 > 1:02:13Temperature wise, in Manchester, about 11 degrees. As the band of

1:02:13 > 1:02:17rain goes through, we are looking at eight this afternoon. This evening

1:02:17 > 1:02:21and overnight, the band of rain continues to drift south-east as a

1:02:21 > 1:02:30weakening feature. Behind it, clearing skies, cold night. In rural

1:02:30 > 1:02:34areas, it will be lower, so we could be looking at temperatures well

1:02:34 > 1:02:39below freezing for some with a touch of frost and patchy mist and fog.

1:02:39 > 1:02:43Tomorrow, the remnants of today's front slowly clearing, high pressure

1:02:43 > 1:02:46still with us, and other weather front coming in from the West

1:02:46 > 1:02:52introducing wet and windy conditions again with gales in the north-west

1:02:52 > 1:02:57but a lot of dry and sunny weather. In the south-east, a bit more cloud

1:02:57 > 1:03:07and temperatures here up to 11.

1:03:07 > 1:03:12Hello it's Tuesday, it's 10 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

1:03:12 > 1:03:13This morning...

1:03:13 > 1:03:15the controversial policy of stop and search -

1:03:15 > 1:03:18is it an important measure in tackling knife crime or does it

1:03:18 > 1:03:19just lead to alienation of the black community?

1:03:19 > 1:03:22I've been stopped over 70 times because of my colour.

1:03:22 > 1:03:25Even now I do something good for the community, I get stopped.

1:03:25 > 1:03:27Our report in the next hour and really keen

1:03:27 > 1:03:31to hear your experiences too.

1:03:31 > 1:03:38We will speak to someone who's son was stabbed to death. Plus, a woman

1:03:38 > 1:03:41seeking a

1:03:41 > 1:03:43was stabbed to death. Plus, a woman seeking a private rain prosecution

1:03:43 > 1:03:46tells this programme she hopes to lead the way for those let down by

1:03:46 > 1:03:51the courts.When I worked up, I had never seen him before and I was on a

1:03:51 > 1:03:58hotel bed. I woke up cold, with a sheet on me that had a really

1:03:58 > 1:04:04particular texture to it and I knew it wasn't mine.Did you have any

1:04:04 > 1:04:11clothes on?No, I was completely naked. You can hear her interview

1:04:11 > 1:04:16before 11. And foodbanks could struggle to meet demand this winter

1:04:16 > 1:04:19unless urgent action is taken to improve Universal Credit. We will

1:04:19 > 1:04:23hear from those affected.

1:04:31 > 1:04:38The latest news now with Rebecca. Leaked documents analysed by the

1:04:38 > 1:04:41BBC's Panorama and the international consortium of investigative

1:04:41 > 1:04:47journalists reveal Apple moved profits to Jersey after a tax

1:04:47 > 1:04:53loophole in Ireland was close. The arrangement isn't illegal, but it

1:04:53 > 1:04:56means the technology giant saves billions in corporation tax. Apple

1:04:56 > 1:05:01says it remains the world's largest taxpayer. The files also showed

1:05:01 > 1:05:05Formula 1 world champion Lewis Hamilton avoided tax on a luxury jet

1:05:05 > 1:05:12he bought by importing it to the Isle of Man. Our economics

1:05:12 > 1:05:22correspondent has more.

1:05:22 > 1:05:24COMMENTATOR:Hamilton is world champion...

1:05:24 > 1:05:26Five years ago, Lewis Hamilton bought his own luxury jet

1:05:26 > 1:05:27worth £16.5 million.

1:05:27 > 1:05:28It was something he'd always wanted.

1:05:28 > 1:05:29This is your plane.

1:05:29 > 1:05:32If I get a plane, I'm going to pimp it out?

1:05:32 > 1:05:33Paint it red, yeah?

1:05:33 > 1:05:34Exactly.

1:05:34 > 1:05:37In January, 2013, the Formula 1 champion landed his new private

1:05:37 > 1:05:39plane at the Isle of Man's airport, importing it there.

1:05:39 > 1:05:42Isle of Man customs officials met him at 6:15am to finalise

1:05:42 > 1:05:46the paperwork and sign off on a VAT refund of £3.3 million.

1:05:46 > 1:05:49I can't believe I have my own plane still, after all these years.

1:05:49 > 1:05:53Under EU rules, you're only meant to get a refund if the jet's used

1:05:53 > 1:05:56for commercial purposes, but the documents suggest Hamilton

1:05:56 > 1:06:00was planning to spend a third of his flying time on personal use,

1:06:00 > 1:06:03and he's not alone.

1:06:03 > 1:06:07The leaks also show the Isle of Man paid £790 million in VAT refunds

1:06:07 > 1:06:09to jet-leasing companies.

1:06:09 > 1:06:12If they're using it for private purposes, the fact that all this

1:06:12 > 1:06:14money is being refunded is quite shocking.

1:06:14 > 1:06:17You should not be getting VAT back if it's private usage

1:06:17 > 1:06:20and you're getting VAT back.

1:06:20 > 1:06:23Mr Hamilton's lawyer said the arrangement was lawful.

1:06:23 > 1:06:29The documents also reveal how the iPhone maker Apple used

1:06:29 > 1:06:32a British Crown dependency to keep its tax bill down.

1:06:32 > 1:06:35We pay all the taxes we owe, every single dollar.

1:06:35 > 1:06:39We not only comply with the laws, but we comply

1:06:39 > 1:06:40with the spirit of the laws.

1:06:40 > 1:06:44We don't depend on tax gimmicks.

1:06:44 > 1:06:46In 2014, Ireland announced it would ban companies

1:06:46 > 1:06:51with no tax residency.

1:06:51 > 1:06:56That meant Apple needed a tax residency for its lucrative

1:06:56 > 1:07:03Irish subsidiaries fast, so it sent out a questionnaire

1:07:03 > 1:07:08courting tax havens and it chose Jersey, where its $261 billion pile

1:07:08 > 1:07:11of cash from selling phones and iPads is now tax resident.

1:07:11 > 1:07:13Apple said the structure hadn't lowered its taxes and it remained

1:07:13 > 1:07:14the world's largest taxpayer.

1:07:14 > 1:07:19Andy Verity, BBC News.

1:07:19 > 1:07:24The Jersey government have responded. In a statement, they say,

1:07:24 > 1:07:29Jersey does not want abusive tax avoidance schemes operating in the

1:07:29 > 1:07:32island and it expects financial service providers to abide by a

1:07:32 > 1:07:36voluntary code to say they will not take on this kind of business. The

1:07:36 > 1:07:41allegations will be investigated and we are asking the ICI J to provide

1:07:41 > 1:07:46relevant documents to support this action. The husband of a British

1:07:46 > 1:07:52Iranian woman jailed in Iran has urged the Foreign Secretary, Boris

1:07:52 > 1:07:54Johnson, to attract in Parliament and error he made in talking about

1:07:54 > 1:08:00the case. Mr Johnson told MPs Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe had been

1:08:00 > 1:08:04training journalists. Her husband, Richard, said she was on holiday.

1:08:04 > 1:08:08The legal authorities in Iran have threatened to increase the five-year

1:08:08 > 1:08:14sentence imposed on her. Victoria will be talking to Richard, the

1:08:14 > 1:08:19husband of the British woman jailed in Iran, at 10:25am. The Prime

1:08:19 > 1:08:22Minister has asked for the ministerial code of conduct to be

1:08:22 > 1:08:27tightened after an MP apologised for holding secret meetings with Israeli

1:08:27 > 1:08:37officials in the summer.

1:08:38 > 1:08:40Priti Patel - the International Development Secretary -

1:08:40 > 1:08:42apologised for not informing the Foreign Office and suggesting

1:08:42 > 1:08:44Boris Johnson knew in advance of the visit.

1:08:44 > 1:08:46Labour said the "shocking" admission warranted a Cabinet Office inquiry.

1:08:46 > 1:08:48US President Donald Trump has been greeted with full

1:08:48 > 1:08:50ceremony in South Korea, on the latest leg of

1:08:50 > 1:08:52his tour of East Asia.

1:08:52 > 1:08:56His 24-hour visit comes as tensions remain high on the Korean peninsula.

1:08:56 > 1:09:01President Trump has said he is hopeful North Korea can be persuaded

1:09:01 > 1:09:05to enter into negotiations but he also warned the north America was

1:09:05 > 1:09:10prepared to use its military might to defend itself against aggression,

1:09:10 > 1:09:16if it had to.North Korea is a worldwide threat that requires

1:09:16 > 1:09:22worldwide action. We call on every responsible nation, including China

1:09:22 > 1:09:27and Russia, to demand that the North Korean regime end its nuclear

1:09:27 > 1:09:33weapons and its missile programmes and live in peace. As the South

1:09:33 > 1:09:38Korean people know so well, it is time to act with urgency and with

1:09:38 > 1:09:45great determination.That is a summary of the latest BBC News. More

1:09:45 > 1:09:50at 10:30am. An e-mail from Mark, it is politically correct programmes

1:09:50 > 1:09:53like yours which want everyone to think they are a victim which has

1:09:53 > 1:09:58directly led to an increase in knife attacks and acid attacks. I would

1:09:58 > 1:10:06rather my 16-year-old son be stopped and searched every day than the --

1:10:06 > 1:10:11and be safe. Leftist propaganda shows like yours are making it more

1:10:11 > 1:10:16difficult for the police. An ex-police officer says they have had

1:10:16 > 1:10:1916 years experience, many serious issues with the Met Police, one of

1:10:19 > 1:10:24which is trust. There is no trust. Police officers do not trust other

1:10:24 > 1:10:28police officers so how can members of the public reasonably trust them?

1:10:28 > 1:10:32Keep those coming in, a further conversation about stop and search

1:10:32 > 1:10:37after 10:30am. Send me an e-mail, Facebook, WhatsApp, and if you are

1:10:37 > 1:10:48texting, you will be charged. Sport.

1:10:49 > 1:10:55David -- David Moyes is the new manager. Stuart Pearce in line to

1:10:55 > 1:10:59come in as his number two could placate the fans. West Ham have

1:10:59 > 1:11:02posted a video of David Moyes on social media this morning saying how

1:11:02 > 1:11:06much he is looking forward to the job.I'm really looking forward to

1:11:06 > 1:11:09meeting the supporters, being in the stadium with them, looking forward

1:11:09 > 1:11:18to seeing them getting right behind the team.

1:11:24 > 1:11:26Confirmation of that, the appointment of David Moyes this

1:11:26 > 1:11:31morning. England's preparation for the Ashes has not been perfect,

1:11:31 > 1:11:35without the all-rounder Ben Stokes after the incident outside a Bristol

1:11:35 > 1:11:38nightclub, and Steven Finn was brought in to replace Ben Stokes but

1:11:38 > 1:11:44now they have lost him. He is flying home for treatment on a knee injury.

1:11:44 > 1:11:47The first Test starts this month and the England coach has already

1:11:47 > 1:11:52decided on most of the side for the Test.I think we are a little bit

1:11:52 > 1:11:59like Australia, probably down to nine of the 11, one or two spots

1:11:59 > 1:12:05still discussing and we still have two more games to go yet. I am sure

1:12:05 > 1:12:10it will work itself out before the first Test.Finally, it is known as

1:12:10 > 1:12:15the race that stops a nation, an incredible finish at the Melbourne

1:12:15 > 1:12:25Cup. An Irish one, two, three. There was an overtaking in the closing

1:12:25 > 1:12:29sprint. The trainer of the winning horse was Joseph O'Brien, that

1:12:29 > 1:12:32trainer of the horse he beat of the line was his father, Aidan O'Brien,

1:12:32 > 1:12:37and the best in the world. Passing on tips over the breakfast table!

1:12:37 > 1:12:41Thank you very much.

1:12:41 > 1:12:43Next, the Government's flagship benefit reform Universal Credit

1:12:43 > 1:12:46and claims that foodbank usage has increased drastically in areas

1:12:46 > 1:12:47where it's been introduced.

1:12:47 > 1:12:49The Trussell Trust, which is the UK's biggest

1:12:49 > 1:12:53foodbank operator, says areas where Universal Credit

1:12:53 > 1:12:56has been in place for six months have seen a 30% increase in demand

1:12:56 > 1:12:57on the previous year.

1:12:57 > 1:12:59The Government say it's misleading to link foodbank

1:12:59 > 1:13:03usage to any one issue.

1:13:03 > 1:13:06This programme has been following Universal Credit claimants

1:13:06 > 1:13:10and spoke recently to two people who have experienced serious

1:13:10 > 1:13:16financial hardship as a result to moving on to the new benefit.

1:13:16 > 1:13:19Last weekend, we've had no food.

1:13:19 > 1:13:22My five-year-old's last food was school dinners.

1:13:22 > 1:13:25On Saturday, we were walking down the street,

1:13:25 > 1:13:30she was searching in bins for food because she was starving.

1:13:30 > 1:13:33She was, like, ripping McDonald's bags to see if there were any chips

1:13:33 > 1:13:35or anything on the floor.

1:13:35 > 1:13:36It was awful.

1:13:36 > 1:13:37Broke my heart.

1:13:37 > 1:13:40Sunday, there was no food.

1:13:40 > 1:13:43She was going to bed, her stomach was rumbling.

1:13:43 > 1:13:44"I'm hungry, I'm hungry, I'm hungry."

1:13:44 > 1:13:46She had no food Saturday, Sunday.

1:13:46 > 1:13:47Went to school really, really hungry.

1:13:47 > 1:13:51You take her to bed and her tummy's rumbling.

1:13:51 > 1:13:54You're just giving her water, but she wants food and you can't...

1:13:54 > 1:13:56I can't go to the shop and steal.

1:13:56 > 1:13:57It's awful.

1:13:57 > 1:13:59And I can't keep asking neighbours for food.

1:13:59 > 1:14:01I shouldn't have to live like this.

1:14:01 > 1:14:05It's awful.

1:14:05 > 1:14:08I've never struggled like this before in my life.

1:14:08 > 1:14:12I've never been in this situation where I could lose my home.

1:14:12 > 1:14:14It's a big thing.

1:14:14 > 1:14:16I'll die on them streets.

1:14:16 > 1:14:19If I do get evicted, I don't know what I'll do.

1:14:19 > 1:14:23I don't know where to go for help.

1:14:23 > 1:14:26The chances are 50-50, if I'm going to be homeless or not.

1:14:26 > 1:14:27Where do I go?

1:14:27 > 1:14:29I don't know really.

1:14:29 > 1:14:36I daren't think that far ahead.

1:14:41 > 1:14:43Kids...

1:14:43 > 1:14:48Kids shouldn't have to go through this.

1:14:48 > 1:14:53No one should really.

1:14:53 > 1:14:57With us in the studio are Alison Inglis-Jones

1:14:57 > 1:15:04from the Trussell Trust, Daphine Aitkens who manages

1:15:04 > 1:15:08Hammersmisth and Fulham foodbank, and via Skype, two claimants

1:15:08 > 1:15:10of the new benefit - Brendan Faulkner, in Leeds,

1:15:10 > 1:15:11and Brian Comley, in Southampton.

1:15:11 > 1:15:14And in a moment, we'll speak to Edward Boyd,

1:15:14 > 1:15:17from the Centre for Social Justice - the think tank set up by former

1:15:17 > 1:15:20Welfare Secretary Ian Duncan Smith who designed Universal Credit.

1:15:20 > 1:15:25Allison, compared to the same period last year, across the country, you

1:15:25 > 1:15:30say foodbank usage is up 13%, but in areas where Universal Credit has

1:15:30 > 1:15:34been ruled out for six months or Moore, a 30% on average increase,

1:15:34 > 1:15:39how do you get these fingers?-- figures? We measured the numbers of

1:15:39 > 1:15:43people coming to the foodbanks before the roll-out of Universal

1:15:43 > 1:15:48Credit and after and what we saw was a 30% rise.How many foodbanks do

1:15:48 > 1:15:58you run in total?420.So it was a small sample.Representative. A wide

1:15:58 > 1:16:02geographical groupings across the whole of the UK.If the figures are

1:16:02 > 1:16:06accurate, why do you say there has been a much bigger rise in Universal

1:16:06 > 1:16:10Credit areas?As a volunteer in three foodbanks and as a trustee, we

1:16:10 > 1:16:15recognise the drivers of people coming, they have to bring a voucher

1:16:15 > 1:16:18with them, and Universal Credit is being flagged over and over again as

1:16:18 > 1:16:22one of the reasons why people are coming and the stories we are

1:16:22 > 1:16:28hearing in the foodbanks.What about you, Daphine? Have you seen a rise?

1:16:28 > 1:16:32What are people saying to you about why they are coming to your

1:16:32 > 1:16:36foodbank?A very significant rise in Hammersmith and Fulham. The first

1:16:36 > 1:16:40six months of the financial year, very nearly double the same period

1:16:40 > 1:16:46of last. We have seen almost 97% increase. They are coming to us

1:16:46 > 1:16:52primarily because of universal to credit the stories, one of those you

1:16:52 > 1:16:58heard earlier, one of my clients. No benefits at all.Waiting for

1:16:58 > 1:17:03payment?Her daughter was looking through bins on the street. With

1:17:03 > 1:17:06that, there is nothing coming in, not just benefits, your rent,

1:17:06 > 1:17:11housing benefit.When the Department for Work and Pensions says the

1:17:11 > 1:17:16reasons for foodbank use are wide and complex and linking it to one

1:17:16 > 1:17:20issue would be misleading, how do you respond?University of Oxford

1:17:20 > 1:17:24research has pinpointed why people are coming and that is benefit

1:17:24 > 1:17:28sanctions and delays followed by low income as a driver.They say, we are

1:17:28 > 1:17:32clear advanced payments are widely available from the start of anyone's

1:17:32 > 1:17:36claim and urgent cases are fast tracked so no one should be without

1:17:36 > 1:17:40funds.This is what they say. The problem with the advance payments is

1:17:40 > 1:17:51that they have to be paid back almost immediately, the first time

1:17:51 > 1:17:53you get your Universal Credit payment, 13 weeks afterwards

1:17:53 > 1:17:55perhaps, you have to start paying the advance back in quite

1:17:55 > 1:17:57significant amounts and somebody who already has accrued debt and other

1:17:57 > 1:18:01financial issues including rent arrears, to start paying the debt

1:18:01 > 1:18:04back immediately on very small amounts of money, it is crazy. I

1:18:04 > 1:18:08have a client who I saw on Friday, her Universal Credit payment is less

1:18:08 > 1:18:11than her housing benefit that she has to pay each month.Let me bring

1:18:11 > 1:18:17in Brian. Thank you for coming on the programme. What led you to using

1:18:17 > 1:18:22a foodbank?

1:18:22 > 1:18:28Mainly in between benefits when I had to get some food in. I was going

1:18:28 > 1:18:34to wait six weeks, but then I forced them to sort of think about and give

1:18:34 > 1:18:38me advance payment on the Universal Credit which I have got £400 which I

1:18:38 > 1:18:41have now paid back.Right. And what was that period of time

1:18:41 > 1:18:50like?Not, I want to really -- I wasn't really worried about things.

1:18:50 > 1:18:55I had a foodbank that come to me once every Friday instead of just

1:18:55 > 1:19:02for the two weeks. You had to wait for one. But yeah, this one was

1:19:02 > 1:19:06every Friday so you would look forward to Friday.Yes, but you were

1:19:06 > 1:19:09reliant on it effectively for a period of time?For a period of

1:19:09 > 1:19:16time, yeah.Let me bring in Edward Boyd for the Centre for Social

1:19:16 > 1:19:21Justice. They designed Universal Credit. I'm really glad you're here

1:19:21 > 1:19:26because I am desperate to ask why design a system that makes you wait

1:19:26 > 1:19:30six weeks for the first payment? Thank you for having us on. The

1:19:30 > 1:19:33thirst thing to say...No. No, just answer that question first of all

1:19:33 > 1:19:38because it is the key theme that comes up every time.You have to

1:19:38 > 1:19:42split it into two parts. At the moment when you come in as a new

1:19:42 > 1:19:45claimant, when you get paid your money, you are not paid for the

1:19:45 > 1:19:48first seven days, when you get your money there is a deficit in terms of

1:19:48 > 1:19:51the income that you get. That was never anything we designed and there

1:19:51 > 1:19:56is a big reason why people are falling into debt. We are relying on

1:19:56 > 1:19:58foodbanks is something that we are petitioning the Government to

1:19:58 > 1:20:01change. The idea of being paid at the end of the month, take that at

1:20:01 > 1:20:04the end of the month when someone is being paid is you will mirror what

1:20:04 > 1:20:10it is like out of work with what it is like into work. The idea here are

1:20:10 > 1:20:15a group of people who are vulnerable and out of work and you need to do

1:20:15 > 1:20:20to all you can to support them into work.It is still six weeks before

1:20:20 > 1:20:25the first payment?No, it's not. It's paid in arrears. You take away

1:20:25 > 1:20:28the first week, it is only five weeks which I think they should be

1:20:28 > 1:20:33doing and looking to do in the Budget. The idea of paying it in

1:20:33 > 1:20:38arrears... For most people who move on to Universal Credit they will be

1:20:38 > 1:20:41in work already and they will behaving a wage that's paid at the

1:20:41 > 1:20:46end of the month and it makes sense to sync the two together. If you are

1:20:46 > 1:20:51talking about people out of work and don't have savings, they should be

1:20:51 > 1:20:54getting a payment upfront. You get to within two weeks, and if you

1:20:54 > 1:20:58really need it, the first day you go into a Jobcentre, you should be

1:20:58 > 1:21:01getting it that day. We heard over the conference season this year,

1:21:01 > 1:21:04that's what has been brought in now. So it is a really welcome change. I

1:21:04 > 1:21:11think they had an issue with this about three to four months ago, not

1:21:11 > 1:21:14enough people were getting budget advances and the work coaches on the

1:21:14 > 1:21:18ground weren't explaining it.It is still a problem because you get an

1:21:18 > 1:21:21advanced payment and of course, you have to pay that back, of course,

1:21:21 > 1:21:25you do. By then, you're already in debt. So it sort of spirals. That's

1:21:25 > 1:21:29what we're hearing from people.The way that this payment works is you

1:21:29 > 1:21:34pay it over six months, it's interest-free.It doesn't matter.It

1:21:34 > 1:21:40doesn't matter that it's interest free?People, on paper, this sounds

1:21:40 > 1:21:45really as though it should work. In reality I'm saying to you, we have

1:21:45 > 1:21:49heard so many stories from people that it is not working. That it is

1:21:49 > 1:21:52making their lives really hard. I don't feel that you are

1:21:52 > 1:21:58understanding that.Look, we deal with, I help set-up a foodbank and I

1:21:58 > 1:22:03speak to people like this all the time. Trust me we understand that

1:22:03 > 1:22:06side of things. You cannot compare a stwempl that's not perfect and it is

1:22:06 > 1:22:09not perfect as it is with the one that came before because that was

1:22:09 > 1:22:13even worse than the system that we have got now. This is about

1:22:13 > 1:22:16improving something...I wasn't comparing it to the one before. I

1:22:16 > 1:22:21was wondering why it wasn't better than it is.This is about improving

1:22:21 > 1:22:24the way that welfare works and trying to minimise the number of

1:22:24 > 1:22:28people that fall through the gaps. You look at how it is working across

1:22:28 > 1:22:33the whole country though and the data, whether it is from IFS or the

1:22:33 > 1:22:36Government, shows more people are in work and more people are staying in

1:22:36 > 1:22:40work than ever before.So that's a good thing.The fact that people are

1:22:40 > 1:22:44having to rely on foodbanks is not how it should be. The fact that the

1:22:44 > 1:22:50advanced payments are not getting to these people is doing that DWP needs

1:22:50 > 1:22:53to look. There is more people in work as a result.

1:22:53 > 1:22:56Thank you very much. Thank you to all of you, thank you for coming on

1:22:56 > 1:22:58the programme.

1:22:58 > 1:22:59Still to come:

1:22:59 > 1:23:02President Trump has arrived in South Korea, on the latest leg

1:23:02 > 1:23:03of his tour of East Asia.

1:23:03 > 1:23:06We'll have the latest.

1:23:06 > 1:23:08As if Theresa May didn't have enough to worry about,

1:23:08 > 1:23:11she's now got another couple of problems on her plate -

1:23:11 > 1:23:13both of them caused by members of her Cabinet.

1:23:13 > 1:23:15The Development Secretary, Priti Patel, has caused her huge

1:23:15 > 1:23:17embarrassment by holding talks in Israel with senior government

1:23:17 > 1:23:25figures without even telling the Foreign Office.

1:23:25 > 1:23:28And the Foreign Secretary himself, Boris Johnson, has made unguarded

1:23:28 > 1:23:31comments about a British women who's being held in jail in Iran that

1:23:31 > 1:23:33might mean her being imprisoned even longer.

1:23:33 > 1:23:37Our political guru, Norman Smith, is here.

1:23:37 > 1:23:42Hi Norman.Hi.In normal circumstances would these two

1:23:42 > 1:23:46ministers have lost their jobs by now?I think a lot of people at

1:23:46 > 1:23:50Westminster think yes, they would have been sacked, but because Mrs

1:23:50 > 1:23:53May's Cabinet is just so fragile at the moment she can't afford to boot

1:23:53 > 1:23:59anyone out, but it is a fairly extraordinary set of events that has

1:23:59 > 1:24:04now unfolding. Normally on Tuesday there is a Cabinet. There isn't a

1:24:04 > 1:24:06Cabinet today and frankly that's just as well because you suspect a

1:24:06 > 1:24:10lot of Cabinet Ministers would sort of looking rather shame faced at the

1:24:10 > 1:24:16mess they are in. Top of the pile, Boris Johnson, as you say, facing

1:24:16 > 1:24:20mounting criticism after he appears to have worsened the plight of this

1:24:20 > 1:24:25British Iranian woman who has already been jailed for five years

1:24:25 > 1:24:29by mistakenly suggesting that she had gone to Iran to help teach

1:24:29 > 1:24:36journalism. The Iranian authorities have said ah-ha, she was here to

1:24:36 > 1:24:40spread propaganda against our regime and are threatening to double her

1:24:40 > 1:24:45jail sentence and this all stems from comments Mr Johnson made last

1:24:45 > 1:24:48week at the Foreign Affairs Select Committee. Let's listen to what he

1:24:48 > 1:24:51said.

1:24:51 > 1:24:57When you look at what Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe was doing, she was

1:24:57 > 1:25:05simply teaching people journalism as I understand it.Her husband said

1:25:05 > 1:25:09that's incorrect. Her employers have said that's just wrong. So wrong we

1:25:09 > 1:25:13have not had an apology or clarification from Mr Johnson, but

1:25:13 > 1:25:19he is going to phone the Iranian Foreign Minister later this morning.

1:25:19 > 1:25:25Elsewhere, we have Priti Patel who is been found out being economical

1:25:25 > 1:25:29with the actuality about going and seeing a whole load of Israeli

1:25:29 > 1:25:32politicians during a holiday in Israel, not telling the Foreign

1:25:32 > 1:25:36Secretary or anyone in government about it and not being very clear

1:25:36 > 1:25:40about who she was meeting including, it seems, the Israeli Prime

1:25:40 > 1:25:45Minister. Then, of course, at the table, wee have Damian Green. He is

1:25:45 > 1:25:49shame faced because he's under investigation about the Cabinet

1:25:49 > 1:25:53Office over improper behaviour, alleged improper behaviour and where

1:25:53 > 1:25:58he had pornography on his computer. We have got the new Chief Whip,

1:25:58 > 1:26:03Gavin Williamson who has just been promoted and a lot of people think

1:26:03 > 1:26:07he only has been promoted because he is Theresa May's best buddy and

1:26:07 > 1:26:12Andrea Leadsom is facing accusations she was the woman who knifed Michael

1:26:12 > 1:26:16Fallon by saying Mr Fallon had made improper remarks to her. My thinking

1:26:16 > 1:26:21is Theresa May is going thank god I don't have a Cabinet today!

1:26:21 > 1:26:27Thank you very much, Norman.

1:26:27 > 1:26:30We can speak now to the Conservative MP Nadhim Zahawi sits

1:26:30 > 1:26:33on the Foreign Affairs Select Committee.

1:26:33 > 1:26:35We can Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe's husband, Richard Ratcliffe.

1:26:35 > 1:26:40And the political commentator Daisy McAndrew is here.

1:26:40 > 1:26:46Should Boris Johnson resign?No, I don't think he should resign. The

1:26:46 > 1:26:50important thing is to focus on Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe this. Is a

1:26:50 > 1:26:56mother, a wife who was on holiday and has been jailed and the Iranian

1:26:56 > 1:27:01regime a couple of weeks ago were looking at increasing her sentence.

1:27:01 > 1:27:12Let's not forget what this is about. No one is forgetting the precarious

1:27:12 > 1:27:15position that Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe finds herself in,

1:27:15 > 1:27:19apart, it seems, the Foreign Secretary?Well, I don't think

1:27:19 > 1:27:24that's right. He on that committee, said that he would personally want

1:27:24 > 1:27:29to visit Nazanin. He will be redoubling his efforts when he

1:27:29 > 1:27:36speaks to the Iranian Foreign Minister...He got his facts wrong

1:27:36 > 1:27:41in a very, very, in a way that he should not have got his facts wrong

1:27:41 > 1:27:44because somebody's life is depending on the kind of comments that the

1:27:44 > 1:27:49Foreign Secretary of this country makes.

1:27:49 > 1:27:54Well, Nazanin's life is depending on the behaviour of the Revolutionary

1:27:54 > 1:27:58Guard court. The IRGC and I think let's be careful here. We've got to

1:27:58 > 1:28:02make sure that we get Nazanin, she is a British citizen, and mother and

1:28:02 > 1:28:06a wife, she was on holiday...So if Boris Johnson makes mistakes about

1:28:06 > 1:28:10why she was in the country, he is not going to be able to get her out,

1:28:10 > 1:28:17is he?And he is going to be on the phone making it very clear to his

1:28:17 > 1:28:20counterpart in Iran that his words to the committee were wrong and he

1:28:20 > 1:28:27will redouble his efforts to get her out and you know...Has he rung his

1:28:27 > 1:28:34Iranian counterpart already?I can't hear you. Well, I don't know because

1:28:34 > 1:28:38I don't speak for Boris Johnson. I'm a member of Parliament and I'm on

1:28:38 > 1:28:40the Foreign Affairs Select Committee, I want him to redouble

1:28:40 > 1:28:45his efforts. What I don't want to happen is Emily Thornbury and the

1:28:45 > 1:28:50Labour Party to be seen as stodgies. Oh, come on.This is wrong. We

1:28:50 > 1:28:54should focus on the behaviour of the Iranian regime and put as must

1:28:54 > 1:28:58pressure on them as possible to get Nazanin back home.The way you are

1:28:58 > 1:29:02talking, it sounds as though you don't really think Boris Johnson has

1:29:02 > 1:29:09done anything wrong?That's not true, Victoria, with all respect. I

1:29:09 > 1:29:13opened by saying to you he clearly made a mistake...And how damaging

1:29:13 > 1:29:20is that.He wants to put it right by speaking to his counterpart. What is

1:29:20 > 1:29:24damaging is the behaviour of the regime and that's what we should

1:29:24 > 1:29:30focus on.Thank you for talking to us.

1:29:30 > 1:29:34Richard Ratcliffe is here as is Daisy McAndrew.

1:29:34 > 1:29:41Hello. How are you?Hi, Victoria. It has been a tough few days.So how

1:29:41 > 1:29:46damaging is it what Boris Johnson said and just to let our audience

1:29:46 > 1:29:50know, he told a Parliamentary Committee that your wife was in Iran

1:29:50 > 1:29:53teaching people journalism, a reference to her role as programme

1:29:53 > 1:29:56co-ordinator with the Thompson Reuters foundation, which is not

1:29:56 > 1:30:01true. She was not teaching people journalism and days later a court

1:30:01 > 1:30:05hearing in Tehran cited Mr Johnson's comments as proof she was spreading

1:30:05 > 1:30:10propaganda.That's right. He spoke in the Foreign Affairs Committee and

1:30:10 > 1:30:16he said three things. One of which was, the MP has just said, he

1:30:16 > 1:30:22condemned Iran for its detention of her. I was pleased. He said she was

1:30:22 > 1:30:25training journalism which we were not happy with and he offered to

1:30:25 > 1:30:28visit. It was great and we picked up on the positives and two days later

1:30:28 > 1:30:32she was brought in front of the most severe of the rev lieu court judges

1:30:32 > 1:30:36and told there were new charges of spreading propaganda against the

1:30:36 > 1:30:43regime.Which could lead to her spending more years in jail?It

1:30:43 > 1:30:47depends on how many years. She has been classed as a repeat offender.

1:30:47 > 1:30:50We will see where it goes.What do you want from Boris Johnson?He made

1:30:50 > 1:30:54a statement to Parliament and we say things sometimes that we don't quite

1:30:54 > 1:30:58get right and I have said them in interviews as well, but he can in

1:30:58 > 1:31:01Parliament correct it and I think the important thing to, rather than

1:31:01 > 1:31:05a private phone call to the Foreign Minister, is in Parliament to say

1:31:05 > 1:31:09listen, Nazanin is innocent. She is a mother on holiday and she wasn't

1:31:09 > 1:31:12training journalist. That's clear. It is clear to the Iranians and it

1:31:12 > 1:31:16can't be man. Lated in the way that the Iranian press have been doing

1:31:16 > 1:31:22since.Are you comfortable to see him stay in his job?It is not my

1:31:22 > 1:31:26place to say what should happen with the Foreign Secretary and I don't...

1:31:26 > 1:31:31Is he good enough to be Foreign Secretary?I have only interest in

1:31:31 > 1:31:34one foreign policy and that is Nazanin and I am no no judge on

1:31:34 > 1:31:38anything else. I am glad he engaged with Nazanin's case last week and I

1:31:38 > 1:31:44am glad he condemned Iran. I wouldn't want him to back away. I

1:31:44 > 1:31:49want him to continue doing what he can to get her home.Daisy, what do

1:31:49 > 1:31:54you think?Boris buffoony is only one element of what's going on in

1:31:54 > 1:31:57Westminster. It is the one element that has an impact on your family.

1:31:57 > 1:32:02The fact that he hasn't yet publicly changed that statement I find

1:32:02 > 1:32:09extraordinary. Sew said I'm going to call the Iranians, but hasn't said I

1:32:09 > 1:32:11got it categorically wrong and she wasn't there training journalists.

1:32:11 > 1:32:17We know he has got a massive track record of buffoonish comments and

1:32:17 > 1:32:21the lack of detail, but normally in the past it has been hanging off a

1:32:21 > 1:32:24zip wire and it hasn't affected anyone and it has been a laugh. This

1:32:24 > 1:32:29is not a laugh. This issier serious and this is one of the reasons why

1:32:29 > 1:32:32people were worried when he got this position because his knowledge of

1:32:32 > 1:32:35detail or ability to remember detail sometimes has failed him in the past

1:32:35 > 1:32:43and is doing so again.As Foreign Secretary, can you be across every

1:32:43 > 1:32:50detail?No, but this is a huge story that has been running for a long

1:32:50 > 1:32:53time, an innocent woman being held in Iran. He should have known how

1:32:53 > 1:32:58dangerous it would be if he got it wrong which Egypt. He is one of many

1:32:58 > 1:33:02Cabinet ministers making a hash of the job at the moment.How is your

1:33:02 > 1:33:08wife at the moment?Very shaken on Saturday, she had just come out of

1:33:08 > 1:33:13the court. It is what has happened and the previous times being back in

1:33:13 > 1:33:18solitary. I spoke to her on Sunday and she was calmer. It is the

1:33:18 > 1:33:21disorientation and a fear of what this will mean.I promised her we

1:33:21 > 1:33:25will keep going. Thank you very much for coming on the programme.

1:33:25 > 1:33:32We will talk about an exclusive interview we will bring you now with

1:33:32 > 1:33:37a woman seeking what is thought to be the UK's first crowd funded

1:33:37 > 1:33:41private rape prosecution. She tells us she hopes to lead the way for

1:33:41 > 1:33:47those let down by the courts. Emily Hunt claimed she was drugged and

1:33:47 > 1:33:49raped in 2015. Police investigated, the CPS felt there was insufficient

1:33:49 > 1:33:55evidence to proceed. She has hired a barrister who believes there are

1:33:55 > 1:33:59grounds for a criminal prosecution. She has waived her right to

1:33:59 > 1:34:03anonymity to talk to us this morning. Some of the conversation is

1:34:03 > 1:34:10of a graphic nature and you might not want children to hear.

1:34:10 > 1:34:13When I woke up, I had never seen him before.

1:34:13 > 1:34:14I was on a hotel bed.

1:34:14 > 1:34:17Basically, I woke up cold and with a sheet on me that had

1:34:17 > 1:34:19a really particular texture to it.

1:34:19 > 1:34:20I knew it wasn't mine.

1:34:20 > 1:34:22Did you have any clothes on?

1:34:22 > 1:34:23No, I was completely naked.

1:34:23 > 1:34:27And I didn't know what was happening.

1:34:27 > 1:34:31And then I looked over my shoulder and I saw this man sitting

1:34:31 > 1:34:35on the hotel bed, leaning up against the headboard,

1:34:35 > 1:34:37flipping channels and watching TV.

1:34:37 > 1:34:42And I'd never seen him before in my life, ever.

1:34:42 > 1:34:49What condition were you in?

1:34:49 > 1:34:56I was kind of in and out for a little while.

1:34:56 > 1:34:58When I finally, properly, came to,

1:34:58 > 1:35:01I pretty quickly had this light bulb moment that I'd been drugged.

1:35:01 > 1:35:03I'd never felt like that before.

1:35:03 > 1:35:07I'd never lost five hours of my life completely and totally,

1:35:07 > 1:35:11and wound up somewhere I didn't know how I'd got there with someone

1:35:11 > 1:35:12I'd never seen before.

1:35:12 > 1:35:13What condition was he in?

1:35:13 > 1:35:14He seemed quite relaxed.

1:35:14 > 1:35:18He was just watching TV, kind of laughing along.

1:35:18 > 1:35:20Was he compos mentis, sober?

1:35:20 > 1:35:21Yes, he was.

1:35:21 > 1:35:25He seemed sober at the time and then I found out later that he hadn't

1:35:25 > 1:35:26even had a drop of alcohol.

1:35:26 > 1:35:27He was completely sober.

1:35:27 > 1:35:28What did you say?

1:35:28 > 1:35:29What did you do?

1:35:29 > 1:35:36I'm a bit fuzzy on that, actually.

1:35:36 > 1:35:38I know that I sort of leaned over, got my things.

1:35:38 > 1:35:41They were in a pile next to me on the floor.

1:35:41 > 1:35:45I gathered up my belongings and my handbag and went

1:35:45 > 1:35:49into the bathroom and kind of hid for at least ten minutes.

1:35:49 > 1:35:51I phoned a friend and said, "There's something really

1:35:51 > 1:35:52wrong going on here.

1:35:52 > 1:35:53I don't feel OK.

1:35:53 > 1:35:57I feel in a way I've never felt before and there's this guy."

1:35:57 > 1:35:59And my friend rang the police.

1:35:59 > 1:36:01Yeah.

1:36:01 > 1:36:05Do you have any memory of how you ended up in that hotel room

1:36:05 > 1:36:06on that Sunday afternoon?

1:36:06 > 1:36:07No.

1:36:07 > 1:36:10The very last thing I remember is having lunch with my dad.

1:36:10 > 1:36:13We were in a local restaurant we go to quite a lot

1:36:13 > 1:36:16and we were having lunch.

1:36:16 > 1:36:20And then the conversation went a bit weird, and that's

1:36:20 > 1:36:25the last thing I remember.

1:36:25 > 1:36:29Later, much, much later, you learned that this man had

1:36:29 > 1:36:31in fact had sex with you.

1:36:31 > 1:36:33You say he raped you.

1:36:33 > 1:36:37And your argument was that it was rape because there was no way

1:36:37 > 1:36:39you could have consented because of the condition

1:36:39 > 1:36:39you were in.

1:36:39 > 1:36:43So, when I woke up and was obviously upset, hid in the bathroom.

1:36:43 > 1:36:46When I came back out, I guess he was trying to reassure me.

1:36:46 > 1:36:51He said that nothing had happened.

1:36:51 > 1:36:57I didn't find out until two days later when the police finally

1:36:57 > 1:37:00told me that he had said there had been sex, but in his opinion,

1:37:00 > 1:37:02it had been consensual.

1:37:02 > 1:37:05On the night, in the hotel room, because the police had

1:37:05 > 1:37:07the hotel room immediately, they had found used condoms.

1:37:07 > 1:37:09That was the first I'd heard of it.

1:37:09 > 1:37:10How did you react to it?

1:37:10 > 1:37:13I was devastated.

1:37:13 > 1:37:18I was really hoping that he was telling the truth.

1:37:18 > 1:37:22I probably knew he wasn't telling the truth but denial

1:37:22 > 1:37:25is a really strong thing.

1:37:25 > 1:37:30It was terrifying to know, for certain, that I'd been raped

1:37:30 > 1:37:36and then the police hadn't told me for two days.

1:37:36 > 1:37:38I had to get all my own after-rape care.

1:37:38 > 1:37:40I had to get the morning after pill.

1:37:40 > 1:37:42I had to go get protection against sexually transmitted

1:37:42 > 1:37:49diseases because the police hadn't done any of that for me.

1:37:49 > 1:37:51You also learned that this man had filmed you naked and unconscious

1:37:51 > 1:37:54on the bed and he'd masturbated while you slept.

1:37:54 > 1:37:55Yeah.

1:37:55 > 1:37:57I actually didn't learn that for about a year.

1:37:57 > 1:38:02The police didn't tell me until a year after the incident.

1:38:02 > 1:38:04How did that make you feel?

1:38:04 > 1:38:11I had a lot of difficulty going through all of this.

1:38:11 > 1:38:14I felt...

1:38:14 > 1:38:16How could I have made my appeal?

1:38:16 > 1:38:19When the CPS decided not to charge, I appealed.

1:38:19 > 1:38:22I couldn't make the appeal properly because I didn't know two

1:38:22 > 1:38:27really important things.

1:38:27 > 1:38:31The first being that he had had no alcohol in his system.

1:38:31 > 1:38:33The second being that, when he was arrested,

1:38:33 > 1:38:36he had Viagra in his possession.

1:38:36 > 1:38:39I don't know about you, but I can't really imagine that a single guy,

1:38:39 > 1:38:42walking around and going to a pub on a Sunday afternoon

1:38:42 > 1:38:45on his own would need Viagra if he had no nefarious plans.

1:38:45 > 1:38:48And then the final one was finding out about the video.

1:38:48 > 1:38:52I would have pushed the CPS to investigate that

1:38:52 > 1:38:54further, and they did.

1:38:54 > 1:39:02They did an appeal on it.

1:39:02 > 1:39:05Somewhat disturbingly, it turns out that filming me while I was naked

1:39:05 > 1:39:06and I am told unconscious.

1:39:06 > 1:39:08It's clear I am unconscious and not asleep.

1:39:08 > 1:39:11You've not seen this footage?

1:39:11 > 1:39:13They offered, and I politely declined.

1:39:13 > 1:39:14I don't need to see that.

1:39:14 > 1:39:16There are no naked pictures of me that exist.

1:39:16 > 1:39:19I really don't want to see that.

1:39:19 > 1:39:27But I'm told I'm quite obviously unconscious.

1:39:27 > 1:39:30The Crown Prosecution Service did review whether or not any laws

1:39:30 > 1:39:32were broken and they say none were broken.

1:39:32 > 1:39:34Toxicology tests showed you had two times over the drink-drive

1:39:34 > 1:39:35limit of alcohol in you.

1:39:35 > 1:39:37Yeah.

1:39:37 > 1:39:40They came back negative for any signs of, for example, GHB,

1:39:40 > 1:39:44which is the date rape drug.

1:39:44 > 1:39:48There is CCTV footage of you, and your alleged attacker,

1:39:48 > 1:39:51leaving a bar, kissing and holding hands as you walked to the hotel.

1:39:51 > 1:39:52Do you remember any of that?

1:39:52 > 1:39:53None.

1:39:53 > 1:39:55I don't remember anything at all.

1:39:55 > 1:39:57It's like I said earlier, the first time I met him

1:39:57 > 1:40:00was when I woke up naked next to him.

1:40:00 > 1:40:03So, I think I was drugged.

1:40:03 > 1:40:06There are a couple of reasons why the toxicology report is flawed.

1:40:06 > 1:40:08It's something I've asked both the police and the CPS

1:40:08 > 1:40:11to address, and they haven't.

1:40:11 > 1:40:14It turns out the Metropolitan Police gave the toxicology lab

1:40:14 > 1:40:16the wrong timeline, which is a really big deal.

1:40:16 > 1:40:18So, my last memory is around 4pm.

1:40:18 > 1:40:23The time they gave to the lab is 7pm.

1:40:23 > 1:40:30The CPS say they looked at the CCTV footage and considered the fact

1:40:30 > 1:40:32the toxicology tests were negative for any drugs, other than alcohol,

1:40:32 > 1:40:35and made the decision there wasn't enough evidence to proceed

1:40:35 > 1:40:36with the case.

1:40:36 > 1:40:44The Met says they carried out a thorough investigation

1:40:44 > 1:40:45following your allegations, confirming that the CPS concluded

1:40:45 > 1:40:47there was insufficient evidence to bring a prosecution.

1:40:47 > 1:40:50They talk about the fact you subsequently made a number

1:40:50 > 1:40:52of complaints to the Met about your investigation.

1:40:52 > 1:40:54They were passed to the IPCC, that is the Independent

1:40:54 > 1:40:55Complaints Commission.

1:40:55 > 1:41:01That was independently reviewed and not upheld.

1:41:01 > 1:41:04You are now crowdfunding in order to bring a private prosecution

1:41:04 > 1:41:05against your alleged attacker.

1:41:05 > 1:41:10Why?

1:41:10 > 1:41:12There's a couple of reasons.

1:41:12 > 1:41:14Again, the first one being that the toxicology is flawed.

1:41:14 > 1:41:18You can't make a decision on whether or not I'd had enough

1:41:18 > 1:41:20alcohol for a straightforward consent case, based

1:41:20 > 1:41:21on flawed toxicology.

1:41:21 > 1:41:25How will you prove it's flawed?

1:41:25 > 1:41:28Giving the lab the correct time will change the way they do the maths,

1:41:28 > 1:41:30to figure out what my levels were.

1:41:30 > 1:41:35That, in itself, should substantially help my case.

1:41:35 > 1:41:40The second one is that the CCTV does show me all over him.

1:41:40 > 1:41:43I'm told that's a really common effect of mixing alcohol and GHB,

1:41:43 > 1:41:45that it has an ectasy-like quality.

1:41:45 > 1:41:48The other thing the CCTV shows me is me literally

1:41:48 > 1:41:55falling over on a bench, swaying, being very,

1:41:55 > 1:41:57very clearly intoxicated.

1:41:57 > 1:41:59With whatever I was intoxicated on,

1:41:59 > 1:42:02it's very clear that I am not remotely sober, and he is.

1:42:02 > 1:42:05The toxicology again says he hadn't had so much as a sip of alcohol.

1:42:05 > 1:42:08So, there is that side of it as well.

1:42:08 > 1:42:12How would a private prosecution work in practical terms?

1:42:12 > 1:42:16It's an amazing thing.

1:42:16 > 1:42:21In the UK, we can, as individuals, hire a barrister to bring a criminal

1:42:21 > 1:42:24charge, which isn't something I knew before any of this happened to me.

1:42:24 > 1:42:30And it basically goes forward, like any other criminal case.

1:42:30 > 1:42:34You have to gather all the evidence, you have to submit in the same way

1:42:34 > 1:42:36you would with the Crown doing it.

1:42:36 > 1:42:39In some cases, the Crown does take it back over

1:42:39 > 1:42:43and they take it forward.

1:42:43 > 1:42:46But it is an amazing thing that we, as individuals, can actually bring

1:42:46 > 1:42:49a criminal charge in a case where the system has let us

1:42:49 > 1:42:54down, which can result in a rapist going to jail.

1:42:54 > 1:43:00You must have considered an alternative version of events,

1:43:00 > 1:43:04which is, you were really drunk, and you had sex with a man

1:43:04 > 1:43:09and woke up thinking, "Oh, my gosh, what have I done?"

1:43:09 > 1:43:13Even if I was not drugged, and I do believe I was,

1:43:13 > 1:43:15even if I was not drugged, I would have been completely

1:43:15 > 1:43:19incapable of giving consent, even if it were just alcohol.

1:43:19 > 1:43:22Alcohol is very powerful, you know?

1:43:22 > 1:43:27There are quite a few people who had a little bit too much

1:43:27 > 1:43:30to drink and done something that they regretted.

1:43:30 > 1:43:36I don't know about you, but if I have a little

1:43:36 > 1:43:38bit too much to drink, inevitably, things go a bit fuzzy

1:43:38 > 1:43:40but I remember the most embarrassing thing.

1:43:40 > 1:43:43In this case, I have a complete and total five-hour chunk

1:43:43 > 1:43:47of my memory missing, which is absolutely terrifying.

1:43:47 > 1:43:50And again, even if it were just alcohol, given the CCTV footage

1:43:50 > 1:43:56of me unable to stand, my arms are wrapped around him,

1:43:56 > 1:43:59which you can interpret as flirty, absolutely, but I'm also using him

1:43:59 > 1:44:00to stand up.

1:44:00 > 1:44:03There is no way I could have given consent in a state like that,

1:44:03 > 1:44:05even if it were just alcohol.

1:44:05 > 1:44:07What ultimately do you want?

1:44:07 > 1:44:11That's a big question.

1:44:11 > 1:44:16I want a couple of things.

1:44:16 > 1:44:20The first thing is I want rape to be a prosecutable offence in the UK.

1:44:20 > 1:44:21Right now, statistics show it's not.

1:44:21 > 1:44:24Under 15% of rapes in the UK are recorded.

1:44:24 > 1:44:25Of that 15%, conviction rates are abysmal.

1:44:25 > 1:44:27They're in single digits.

1:44:27 > 1:44:30People give up at some point when speaking to the police.

1:44:30 > 1:44:33The police do not pass all cases to the CPS and the CPS does not

1:44:33 > 1:44:35take all cases forward.

1:44:35 > 1:44:37I recognise that their mandate is to take forward cases

1:44:37 > 1:44:41that they feel 100% that they could win and they say that is part

1:44:41 > 1:44:44of the public interest.

1:44:44 > 1:44:47I strongly believe that if they had redone the toxicology report

1:44:47 > 1:44:50with the proper timeline, that my case would be pretty much

1:44:50 > 1:44:54100% winnable because you'd have clear proof I couldn't consent.

1:44:54 > 1:44:57No matter how many times I have reminded them

1:44:57 > 1:44:59that they still haven't redone the numbers on the toxicology

1:44:59 > 1:45:02report, they haven't done it, and that, for me, is my strongest

1:45:02 > 1:45:04bit of evidence.

1:45:04 > 1:45:06In addition to that, there is the CCTV of me falling over

1:45:06 > 1:45:09and the fact he wasn't drinking.

1:45:09 > 1:45:14What I want most is my rapist to go to jail.

1:45:14 > 1:45:16I'm not going to pretend anything else.

1:45:16 > 1:45:20The thing I want after that is for other women in my situation who have

1:45:20 > 1:45:23been let down to be able to have justice against their

1:45:23 > 1:45:24rapists and, for them,

1:45:24 > 1:45:28to be able to go forward and put their rapists in jail.

1:45:28 > 1:45:31That is why with our Go Fund Me page, we are

1:45:31 > 1:45:36looking to raise £100,000.

1:45:36 > 1:45:39That, as far as I'm aware, is about as much as it will take

1:45:39 > 1:45:44for two cases to go forward from the start.

1:45:44 > 1:45:49Emily Hunt in her bid to raise £100,000 in order to fund a private

1:45:49 > 1:45:52rape prosecution.

1:45:53 > 1:45:56If you're black - you're eight times more likely to be stopped

1:45:56 > 1:45:58and searched by a police officer than any other ethnic group.

1:45:58 > 1:46:01Although it has been used around 300,000 times across England

1:46:01 > 1:46:03and Wales in the past year, only 17% of those lead

1:46:03 > 1:46:04to an actual arrest.

1:46:04 > 1:46:07For innocent people being stopped in the street can be

1:46:07 > 1:46:09scary and intimidating and for some, it can lead

1:46:09 > 1:46:17to distrust of police officers.

1:46:17 > 1:46:20The country's biggest force, the Met,

1:46:20 > 1:46:23say its vital to reduce knife crime - 21 teenagers have been killed

1:46:23 > 1:46:26in london alone so far this year - 15 were stabbed to death.

1:46:26 > 1:46:28Our reporter Noel Phillips was stopped and searched twice

1:46:28 > 1:46:30within a few months.

1:46:30 > 1:46:35After he complained about his treatment the Met apologised.

1:46:35 > 1:46:42We bought you his full film earlier, here's a short extract.

1:46:42 > 1:46:45RADIO:The person with a knife punched the informant in the face.

1:46:45 > 1:46:49We're going to a call to a shop in the south of the borough.

1:46:49 > 1:46:52We're on patrol with the Metropolitan Police's Rapid

1:46:52 > 1:46:53Response Unit in North London.

1:46:53 > 1:46:56One of those has pulled a knife out, a flick knife out, and threatened

1:46:56 > 1:46:57a shopkeeper with it.

1:46:57 > 1:46:59So, we've got a description.

1:46:59 > 1:47:03It's a white, 13 to 14-year-old, grey tracksuit with blonde hair.

1:47:03 > 1:47:05We've been given rare access into one of their most

1:47:05 > 1:47:10controversial powers, stop and search.

1:47:10 > 1:47:13I'm sure the officer has explained you are being searched

1:47:13 > 1:47:15because there has been an incident when someone produced a flick

1:47:15 > 1:47:17knife on a shop keeper.

1:47:17 > 1:47:18What's your first name?

1:47:18 > 1:47:19Officers stopped a 16-year-old, who matches the description.

1:47:19 > 1:47:22Sorry for the inconvenience. We'll only keep you a minute.

1:47:22 > 1:47:23We'll just get this sorted.

1:47:23 > 1:47:26But, his 15-year-old friend who is black, is being arrested.

1:47:26 > 1:47:29Space for one juvenile male, please.

1:47:29 > 1:47:33So, basically, we're using our powers for weapons.

1:47:33 > 1:47:37A flick knife, obviously, being a weapon.

1:47:37 > 1:47:40In this case, we found drugs on this boy, so he's been arrested.

1:47:40 > 1:47:43The other one has nothing illegal, so we're just

1:47:43 > 1:47:44going to get his details.

1:47:44 > 1:47:45He'll be on his way.

1:47:45 > 1:47:47Mate, stop walking away. Stop walking away.

1:47:47 > 1:47:49Overall figures to stop and search shows an overall reduction

1:47:49 > 1:47:51in the powers being used.

1:47:51 > 1:47:53But, according to Home Office figures, if you're black,

1:47:53 > 1:47:55you're eight times more likely to be stop and searched compared

1:47:55 > 1:48:01to any other ethnic group.

1:48:01 > 1:48:05I also know what it feels like to be stopped and searched.

1:48:05 > 1:48:09In fact, the most recent is at this very spot where I'm standing.

1:48:09 > 1:48:13Now I remember four plainclothes officers approaching me.

1:48:13 > 1:48:15It was all so sudden, all so unexpected.

1:48:15 > 1:48:18They asked me what I was doing.

1:48:18 > 1:48:21I pointed in that direction and said I was on my way home.

1:48:21 > 1:48:24And yet I was still searched.

1:48:24 > 1:48:26Your behaviour...

1:48:26 > 1:48:28How you was on your bike.

1:48:28 > 1:48:30Your behaviour when you were on this bike...

1:48:30 > 1:48:33Sorry, I'm allowed to film.

1:48:33 > 1:48:37At that point, the officer took my phone and stopped me

1:48:37 > 1:48:47recording what was happening and I was detained and searched.

1:48:49 > 1:48:51We're going to put some gloves on.

1:48:51 > 1:48:53We're not looking to blanket search black men.

1:48:53 > 1:48:55We're looking to search gang members, people that we get

1:48:55 > 1:48:57calls for service that describe the suspect.

1:48:57 > 1:48:59If we see someone who matches that description, they're

1:48:59 > 1:49:00going to be searched.

1:49:00 > 1:49:01Noel Phillips reporting there.

1:49:01 > 1:49:04You can see the full version of that report at bbc.co.uk/victoria.

1:49:04 > 1:49:06Let's talk to Janet Hills, Chair of the Metropolitan Black

1:49:06 > 1:49:16Police Association who spent 24 years in the Met.

1:49:24 > 1:49:26Gwenton Sloley who now trains police officers

1:49:26 > 1:49:29at the Met and other forces on how to use their stop and search powers.

1:49:29 > 1:49:32He is also the Director of the charity Crying Sons.

1:49:32 > 1:49:35And Lillian and Paul Barnes whose son Quamari was the second teenager

1:49:35 > 1:49:37to be stabbed to death in London this year.

1:49:37 > 1:49:38He died on 23rd January.

1:49:38 > 1:49:41Quamari was stabbed to death outside his school in Kensal Green.

1:49:41 > 1:49:43His murderer was sentenced last week for a minimum of 14 years.

1:49:43 > 1:49:46Paul says if stop and search can stop the killings then it

1:49:46 > 1:49:47has his full support.

1:49:47 > 1:49:51We are going to talk to a viewer who got in touch. He is in high Wycombe.

1:49:51 > 1:49:55Thank you for talking to us. I want to ask all of you this one simple

1:49:55 > 1:50:03question. Have you been stopped and searched?Yes.How many times?

1:50:03 > 1:50:07Recently, not as much as historically.Over your lifetime?

1:50:07 > 1:50:13About 20 times.Janet, have you been stopped and searched?Yes. I have it

1:50:13 > 1:50:17has been in my car, but it amounts to the same thing.Were you a police

1:50:17 > 1:50:22officer at the time?Yes, I was. Wow. Paul have you been stopped and

1:50:22 > 1:50:31searchedUncountable times.Not recently. Not in the last seven

1:50:31 > 1:50:36years since I moved out of Croydon, when I grew up in cou dorntion

1:50:36 > 1:50:39countless times.You will know that the commissioner of the Met says

1:50:39 > 1:50:44there is a link between stop and search and reducing knife crime. Do

1:50:44 > 1:50:51you Lillian and Paul, do you think she is right?A little bit. A little

1:50:51 > 1:51:00bit. Personally, I think, yeah.Stop and search has your support?Yeah,

1:51:00 > 1:51:06fully. If it's going to stop all the killings out there because it has

1:51:06 > 1:51:10been ridiculous this year. So if it's going to stop the killings it

1:51:10 > 1:51:14has got my full support 101%.What about you, Lillian?I'm concerned

1:51:14 > 1:51:21about how stop and search is carried out. So if they are going to use

1:51:21 > 1:51:26this as a weapon towards fighting knife crime, then it has to be done