0:00:10 > 0:00:20Hello, it's Friday, it's 9am.
0:00:21 > 0:00:23Welcome to the programme.
0:00:23 > 0:00:26March 29th at 11pm, 2019 - that's the date that will fixed
0:00:26 > 0:00:30in law for Britain to leave the EU as Theresa May warns potential
0:00:30 > 0:00:32Conservative rebels not to try and block the process.
0:00:32 > 0:00:35Forced out of his dream job as a police officer for being Asian -
0:00:35 > 0:00:37we talk to Mark Dias about his pursuit of justice
0:00:37 > 0:00:40at the hands of Cleveland Police, where he says he was systematically
0:00:40 > 0:00:43bullied and spied on.
0:00:43 > 0:00:44He has now been awarded half-a-million pounds
0:00:44 > 0:00:46in compensation.
0:00:46 > 0:00:52Asian officers would be subjected to fabricated
0:00:52 > 0:00:55internal investigations, conduct investigations and criminal
0:00:55 > 0:00:59investigation by the professional standards department.
0:00:59 > 0:01:02We will get the full story later in the programme.
0:01:02 > 0:01:06Women may only need to have three smear tests in their lifetime
0:01:06 > 0:01:09if they have had a vaccine against a virus called HPV,
0:01:09 > 0:01:10which can cause the disease.
0:01:10 > 0:01:12At the moment women are offered 12 tests -
0:01:12 > 0:01:15we will talk to a mum who has had cervical cancer about how
0:01:15 > 0:01:25it was discovered.
0:01:30 > 0:01:33Hello, welcome to the programme - we're live until 11am this morning.
0:01:33 > 0:01:35Lots to talk about today.
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0:01:42 > 0:01:43Our top story today...
0:01:43 > 0:01:45Theresa May has warned pro-EU Conservatives that she will not
0:01:45 > 0:01:48tolerate any attempts to block the Brexit process.
0:01:48 > 0:01:53In a sign of her intent, she's outlined plans to enshrine
0:01:53 > 0:01:59in law the exact moment that Britain will leave the European Union -
0:01:59 > 0:02:0411pm on 29th March, 2019.
0:02:04 > 0:02:08But the man responsible for writing the Article 50 withdrawal process -
0:02:08 > 0:02:09cross-bench peer Lord John Kerr -
0:02:09 > 0:02:11says Brexit could still be reversed.
0:02:11 > 0:02:16Our political correspondent Emma Vardy is in Westminster.
0:02:16 > 0:02:21What has prompted the pledge from the Prime Minister? Call it
0:02:21 > 0:02:25theatrics, called it symbolic, this is Theresa May publicly underlining
0:02:25 > 0:02:29her commitment to Brexit. Her message is, we won't go against the
0:02:29 > 0:02:33democratic will of the British people. Listen to what she says in
0:02:33 > 0:02:38her article in the Telegraph today. She says, let no one doubt our
0:02:38 > 0:02:42determination or question our resolve. Brexit is happening. She
0:02:42 > 0:02:47says, we will not tolerate attempts from any quarter to use the process
0:02:47 > 0:02:50of amendments to the EU Withdrawal Bill as a mechanism to try to block
0:02:50 > 0:02:56the democratic process. The EU Withdrawal Bill comes back to the
0:02:56 > 0:03:01Commons to be debated by MPs next week so it is no coincidence Theresa
0:03:01 > 0:03:06May is putting out this statement today, but as we are hearing that
0:03:06 > 0:03:10has been a controversial problem by Lord Coe, the man who knows the nuts
0:03:10 > 0:03:20and bolts of this clause. Lord Coe, the author of Article 50,
0:03:20 > 0:03:41is expected to say more today.
0:03:41 > 0:03:45We could change our minds at any stage according to an article that
0:03:45 > 0:03:50Lord Kerr has made for some time. Later on today he will say the
0:03:50 > 0:03:54country still has a free choice about whether to proceed. People are
0:03:54 > 0:03:58still entitled to take a different view. Will his intervention make any
0:03:58 > 0:04:10difference? He knows the score is better than anyone so he will add
0:04:10 > 0:04:13weight to arguments from Remainers who say we should leave the door
0:04:13 > 0:04:16open to a second referendum to see if we want to go ahead with Brexit
0:04:16 > 0:04:21at all. On the other hand, for those people that voted to leave, this has
0:04:21 > 0:04:22provoked outrage for some today.
0:04:32 > 0:04:35When you make interventions like this, you run the risk that people
0:04:35 > 0:04:39will say, you are just trying to go against the referendum result and
0:04:39 > 0:04:43backslide on the Democratic result of the referendum as originally
0:04:43 > 0:04:48delivered by voters.Emma, thank you very much indeed.
0:04:48 > 0:04:50Rachel is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary
0:04:50 > 0:04:56of the rest of the day's news.
0:04:56 > 0:04:59Donald Trump has told Asia and Pacific leaders he will no longer
0:04:59 > 0:05:05tolerate what he has called chronic trade abuses.
0:05:05 > 0:05:07Co-operation summit.
0:05:07 > 0:05:10During a hard-hitting speech, he said America was prepared to work
0:05:10 > 0:05:12with countries in the region, provided they abide
0:05:12 > 0:05:16by what he called "fair and reciprocal trade".
0:05:16 > 0:05:21From this day forward, we will compete on a fair and equal basis.
0:05:21 > 0:05:25We are not going to let the United States be taken advantage of any
0:05:25 > 0:05:32more. I am always going to put America First, the same way I expect
0:05:32 > 0:05:40all of you in this room to put your country first.
0:05:40 > 0:05:43A new study is recommending a major change in the way women are screened
0:05:43 > 0:05:44for cervical cancer.
0:05:44 > 0:05:48It suggests those who've been vaccinated against the HPV virus
0:05:48 > 0:05:51need only have three smear tests during their life, rather
0:05:51 > 0:05:53than the 12 currently offered.
0:05:53 > 0:06:00Our health correspondent Sophie Hutchinson reports.
0:06:00 > 0:06:04Cervical cancer is a dangerous disease.
0:06:04 > 0:06:06It's also one of the most preventable cancers,
0:06:06 > 0:06:09but there's been concern about a steady drop in the number
0:06:09 > 0:06:11of women going for screening in the past few years.
0:06:11 > 0:06:20Currently, women aged 25 to 49 are offered smear tests every four
0:06:20 > 0:06:24-- every three years and then every five years from the age of 50 to 64,
0:06:24 > 0:06:27but for almost a decade girls aged 11 to 13 have been given a vaccine
0:06:27 > 0:06:29against the cancer-causing virus HPV.
0:06:29 > 0:06:30Today's study published in the International Journal
0:06:30 > 0:06:33of Cancer says the vaccine reduces the chance of cancer by 70%
0:06:33 > 0:06:38and women who have had it only need to undergo three smear tests
0:06:38 > 0:06:42during their lives, instead of the normal 12,
0:06:42 > 0:06:43at the age of 30, 40 and 55.
0:06:43 > 0:06:47All cervical cancers are linked to HPV infection and having
0:06:47 > 0:06:50the vaccination dramatically reduces the chances of having the infection
0:06:50 > 0:06:53and also having cervical cancer.
0:06:53 > 0:06:56Screening looks for early changes that could suggest cancer
0:06:56 > 0:06:58is developing and quite simply having the vaccine means
0:06:58 > 0:07:01you are less likely to have those changes and less likely to develop
0:07:01 > 0:07:10cancer, so you don't need screening quite so often.
0:07:10 > 0:07:11The study comes ahead of changes being planned
0:07:11 > 0:07:14to the screening programme in England for 2019 and similar
0:07:14 > 0:07:15adjustment in Scotland and Wales.
0:07:15 > 0:07:18New, more advanced lab testing is expected to be introduced,
0:07:18 > 0:07:21which could mean fewer smear tests for all women, whether
0:07:21 > 0:07:24vaccinated or not.
0:07:24 > 0:07:27Facebook's founding president has said he's worried about the effect
0:07:27 > 0:07:36the site is having on society.
0:07:42 > 0:07:45Sean Parker, who says he no longer uses social media,
0:07:45 > 0:07:47said the network was built on "exploiting a vulnerability
0:07:47 > 0:07:49in human psychology", and he was concerned
0:07:49 > 0:07:51about what it was "doing to children's brains".
0:07:51 > 0:07:54The actor and producer Steven Seagal is the latest Hollywood figure to be
0:07:54 > 0:07:55accused of sexual harassment.
0:07:55 > 0:07:58The actor Portia de Rossi, who is married to the US talk show
0:07:58 > 0:08:00host Ellen DeGeneres, made the allegation in a tweet.
0:08:00 > 0:08:03She claims that during a film audition Mr Seagal told her "how
0:08:03 > 0:08:07important it was to have chemistry off-screen" before
0:08:07 > 0:08:08unzipping his trousers.
0:08:08 > 0:08:13Mr Seagal's manager told the BBC that the actor had no comment.
0:08:13 > 0:08:16Universities are to be warned not to use misleading language or claims
0:08:16 > 0:08:20as they try to attract students.
0:08:20 > 0:08:24With hundreds of thousands of young people in the process
0:08:24 > 0:08:26of applying for courses, the BBC understands the advertising
0:08:26 > 0:08:29watchdog is to tell universities next week that they need to prove
0:08:29 > 0:08:33the accuracy of wording used in their marketing material.
0:08:33 > 0:08:36The French President Emmanuel Macron is making an unscheduled visit
0:08:36 > 0:08:45to Saudi Arabia to discuss the crisis in Lebanon
0:08:45 > 0:08:47after the Prime Minister, Saad Hariri, resigned on Saturday.
0:08:47 > 0:08:50Lebanon risks being the battleground in the fight between the Saudis
0:08:50 > 0:08:51and Iran for regional supremacy.
0:08:51 > 0:08:54Saudi Arabia has told its citizens to leave Lebanon immediately and not
0:08:54 > 0:08:59to travel there from any country.
0:08:59 > 0:09:02Uber is due to find out the outcome of its appeal against a ruling
0:09:02 > 0:09:04on the employment rights of its drivers.
0:09:04 > 0:09:07Two drivers won a landmark case against the cab-hiring app last year
0:09:07 > 0:09:09after arguing they were employees and entitled to the minimum wage,
0:09:09 > 0:09:14sick pay and paid holiday.
0:09:14 > 0:09:17Uber challenged the ruling, saying it could deprive drivers
0:09:17 > 0:09:22of the "personal flexibility they value".
0:09:22 > 0:09:26More than half of schools in England fail to offer Computer Science GCSE,
0:09:26 > 0:09:30according to a new report by the UK's leading science academy.
0:09:30 > 0:09:33The Royal Society is calling for a ten-fold increase in funding
0:09:33 > 0:09:37for computing education, which it says is patchy and fragile.
0:09:37 > 0:09:47Here's our technology correspondent, Rory Cellan-Jones.
0:09:47 > 0:09:57What effect does a binary shift left and a binary shift right have?
0:10:08 > 0:10:11In a classroom in Saint Albans, some budding young computer scientists
0:10:11 > 0:10:12are deep in their GCSE course.
0:10:12 > 0:10:14This school is in a minority.
0:10:14 > 0:10:16Today's report says computer education is fragile and patchy,
0:10:16 > 0:10:26with too few pupils given the chance to enter the exam.
0:10:27 > 0:10:29What's more, the subject is being largely avoided by girls.
0:10:29 > 0:10:31So what has made these students take it up?
0:10:31 > 0:10:34Our future is very much based around computers and technology is becoming
0:10:34 > 0:10:35a big part of society.
0:10:35 > 0:10:39I knew that it would be useful to have, and I could get a job easily.
0:10:39 > 0:10:42Maybe in other schools it might be viewed as slightly nerdy
0:10:42 > 0:10:44to do computer science, but I think it is quite
0:10:44 > 0:10:45respected at this school.
0:10:45 > 0:10:48The Royal Society's report says too many young people are missing out
0:10:48 > 0:10:49on vital digital skills.
0:10:49 > 0:10:5254% of English schools do not offer computer science as a GCSE.
0:10:52 > 0:10:53Schools need 3500 more computing teachers.
0:10:53 > 0:10:56Only one in five computer science entrants are female.
0:10:56 > 0:10:58Both the teachers in this class have degrees in computer science,
0:10:58 > 0:10:59which makes them unusual.
0:10:59 > 0:11:02The Royal Society wants a big increase in spending
0:11:02 > 0:11:04on training new teachers.
0:11:04 > 0:11:06The computing industry says digital skills are vital
0:11:06 > 0:11:14for the UK's future.
0:11:14 > 0:11:19If we want to remain a developed nation,
0:11:19 > 0:11:21a nation that is innovative, that provides products
0:11:21 > 0:11:24and services to drive us forward in the 21st century,
0:11:24 > 0:11:26we need people with advanced digital skills, in all
0:11:26 > 0:11:27industries and all sectors.
0:11:27 > 0:11:30The Department for Education says it wants to ensure the future workforce
0:11:30 > 0:11:32has the skills the UK needs.
0:11:32 > 0:11:33This report says that, without more computing
0:11:33 > 0:11:36teachers, that won't happen.
0:11:36 > 0:11:39That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30am.
0:11:39 > 0:11:41Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -
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0:11:51 > 0:11:56Let's get some sport now with Damian Johnson. Controversy in Belfast last
0:11:56 > 0:11:59night, Northern Ireland lost that all-important World Cup play-off
0:11:59 > 0:12:02match? That is right, controversial and
0:12:02 > 0:12:04disappointing for Northern Ireland, looking to reach the World Cup for
0:12:04 > 0:12:08the first time since 1986, playing against Switzerland, the favourites
0:12:08 > 0:12:13to go through after a 1-0 victories because the referee awarded a
0:12:13 > 0:12:17penalty for handball by Northern Ireland's Coria them. Most people
0:12:17 > 0:12:21were convinced it struck him on the back or at best the shoulder but the
0:12:21 > 0:12:26referee believed otherwise.
0:12:26 > 0:12:28Ricardo Rodriguez scored from the spot cue angry protests
0:12:28 > 0:12:29from the Northern Ireland players and supporters.
0:12:29 > 0:12:32There's been outrage on social media.
0:12:32 > 0:12:34BBC 5Live presenter Colin Murray said the penalty decision
0:12:34 > 0:12:36was like refereeing from the Dark Ages.
0:12:36 > 0:12:40The Northern Ireland manager was left furious.
0:12:40 > 0:12:44It is staggering in this day and age when the stakes are so high at this
0:12:44 > 0:12:47level of the game that something like that, it's obviously
0:12:47 > 0:12:49a gamechanger, but dwelling on it isn't going to help us.
0:12:49 > 0:12:52Whether it is the worst, whatever it is, whatever label
0:12:52 > 0:12:54you want to put on it is irrelevant.
0:12:54 > 0:12:58The most important thing is that we use it in the right
0:12:58 > 0:13:00way and overcome it, we channel it into the
0:13:00 > 0:13:03game on Sunday night.
0:13:03 > 0:13:06They will play their second leg on Sunday.
0:13:06 > 0:13:09Not only England will be wearing poppies when they take on Germany at
0:13:09 > 0:13:15Wembley tonight?
0:13:15 > 0:13:17Both sets of players will wear black armbands
0:13:17 > 0:13:20with poppies in remembrance of fallen servicemen and women.
0:13:20 > 0:13:23FIFA had previoiusly banned sporting them and the home nations were fined
0:13:23 > 0:13:24for doing so in November last year.
0:13:24 > 0:13:27FIFA's argument had been that it was a political gesture
0:13:27 > 0:13:29but have now changed the rules and allowed the wearing of poppies
0:13:29 > 0:13:35if both teams are in agreement.
0:13:35 > 0:13:39They will also be using video assistant referee technology.
0:13:39 > 0:13:41This is technology to help the referee review
0:13:41 > 0:13:45incidents like goals, red cards, penalties.
0:13:45 > 0:13:48It could have helped Northern Ireland last night.
0:13:48 > 0:13:49Just finally from me, the Women's Ashes test
0:13:49 > 0:13:50is finely balanced in Sydney.
0:13:50 > 0:13:52The Australians are batting in their first innings.
0:13:52 > 0:13:54Andy Swiss is in Sydney for us.
0:13:54 > 0:13:55What's the latest, Andy?
0:13:55 > 0:13:59After a frustrating first day, England are fighting back, Australia
0:13:59 > 0:14:04108-4 in reply to England's first innings, they resumed the day on
0:14:04 > 0:14:08235seven, hoping to put on towards 300, they did not quite get there
0:14:08 > 0:14:12despite an entertaining Camier from Anya Shrubsole. Australia's batters
0:14:12 > 0:14:17looked comfortable, 48 without loss but finally an England breakthrough,
0:14:17 > 0:14:22Laura Marsh taking the wicket of Nicole Bolton 428 but no doubting
0:14:22 > 0:14:27the star of the show for England, 18 year Soviet Kljestan making her test
0:14:27 > 0:14:32debut, two wickets for her, Beth Mooney caught by NATS giver, then
0:14:32 > 0:14:40Alex Blackwell trapped lbw, said two wickets for Sophie Ecclestone, just
0:14:40 > 0:14:4418 years old, on her test debut. Her parents are here watching her, how
0:14:44 > 0:14:50proud must they be? A fourth wicket for England in the last few wickets,
0:14:50 > 0:14:54a brilliant catch by wicketkeeper Sarah Taylor. The floodlights are
0:14:54 > 0:14:57on, England struggled under them last night. How will Australia fair
0:14:57 > 0:15:03in the next hour and a half or so? It could be pivotal. Andy Swiss, how
0:15:03 > 0:15:07sports correspondent in Sydney, thank you. That is all the sport for
0:15:07 > 0:15:13now. Damian, thank you.
0:15:13 > 0:15:15It's been another fractious week in politics,
0:15:15 > 0:15:17with a second resignation at the top of Theresa May's Government,
0:15:17 > 0:15:21and questions about her future looming large.
0:15:21 > 0:15:28As Brexit talks in Brussels resume today, the Prime Minister has said
0:15:28 > 0:15:31she will not stand for any attempt by pro-Remain MPs to try and block
0:15:31 > 0:15:38the Brexit process and has announced that the date that Britain
0:15:38 > 0:15:41will leave the EU - March 29th, 2019, at 11pm -
0:15:41 > 0:15:42will be written into law.
0:15:42 > 0:15:44With me in the studio is Conservative party activist
0:15:44 > 0:15:46Binita Mehta-Parmar, and down the line from
0:15:46 > 0:15:47Wakefield, Samantha Harvey.
0:15:47 > 0:15:49Also joining us down the line from his home
0:15:49 > 0:15:51in Banbury is the former Deputy Prime Minister
0:15:51 > 0:15:56Lord Heseltine.
0:15:56 > 0:16:00Lord Heseltine first, from a strong and stable leadership to a cabinet
0:16:00 > 0:16:04in chaos, how much authority does Theresa May have at this moment in
0:16:04 > 0:16:09time?She has the authority that rests on the fact the party can't
0:16:09 > 0:16:17agree about her successor. It's widely assumed will not fight the
0:16:17 > 0:16:26next election as leader of the Tory party. There is a current vacuum and
0:16:26 > 0:16:30people are hoping somebody will emerge. It's a very fragile
0:16:30 > 0:16:34situation, extremely damaging to our ability to negotiate with the
0:16:34 > 0:16:39Europeans. And it does not do us any good on the international stage, but
0:16:39 > 0:16:44the consequence of two things. First of all the election result, and
0:16:44 > 0:16:55second the cloud of Brexit.Some EU leaders think she might not last
0:16:55 > 0:17:02until Christmas. Do you agree?No, I don't think her departure is
0:17:02 > 0:17:05imminent. But you can see in your introduction the scale of the
0:17:05 > 0:17:15anxiety. There is a panic around the legislation, enshrining in law the
0:17:15 > 0:17:23precise time we will leave the European Union. It injects
0:17:23 > 0:17:27uncertainty at exactly the wrong moment. What is of growing concern
0:17:27 > 0:17:33is that to give time for Brexit to work, and fixing in law the date,
0:17:33 > 0:17:41will merely accelerate people's decision to take investment
0:17:41 > 0:17:46elsewhere and not to make investment here. Frankly, it's a panic measure
0:17:46 > 0:17:50reflecting the growing anxiety that hostility to Brexit is growing, and
0:17:50 > 0:17:55in order to make sure that public opinion doesn't get the chance to
0:17:55 > 0:18:02exert itself, they have now shoved in this time amendment. It wasn't in
0:18:02 > 0:18:12the original bill. So it isn't essential,...Isn't it essential
0:18:12 > 0:18:16when their voices like yourself, do you still think Brexit should be
0:18:16 > 0:18:21avoided?Oh, yes, it's the biggest disaster in peace time in my
0:18:21 > 0:18:30lifetime. It is reducing the status of this country in a way which...
0:18:30 > 0:18:35How helpful is that for Theresa May and the Conservative Party and the
0:18:35 > 0:18:38government? If you are already talking about a government and
0:18:38 > 0:18:44leadership in chaos, and a sense of panic, surely that's unhelpful.
0:18:44 > 0:18:48Well, it is unhelpful, but that's the situation we are in. There is a
0:18:48 > 0:18:51problem, and I will accept your point that we could all be very
0:18:51 > 0:18:58quiet and pretend all is well. But we will not fool anybody. Europeans
0:18:58 > 0:19:02are very sophisticated people and know exactly what's going on here.
0:19:02 > 0:19:05They read our newspapers and have ambassadors. For the British people
0:19:05 > 0:19:10to not know the scale of the debate that's going on and the anxieties
0:19:10 > 0:19:15that are now rife through industry, would be a disservice. This is a
0:19:15 > 0:19:22democracy and people are entitled to hear the arguments on both sides.
0:19:22 > 0:19:26One of the noxious features of this date being inserted into the
0:19:26 > 0:19:30legislation is that it is being done so there is a fixed a moment before
0:19:30 > 0:19:37people fully understand the nature of the deal that's on offer, and
0:19:37 > 0:19:41before people see the consequences. In other words, it's trying to choke
0:19:41 > 0:19:45off the democratic process. This is not exactly the sort of sovereignty
0:19:45 > 0:19:50we were told we would regain.Or upholding a decision that was made
0:19:50 > 0:19:54democratically. Bringing in Samantha at this point. What's your response
0:19:54 > 0:20:00to what you have heard so far?I have to say that I totally disagree
0:20:00 > 0:20:05with Lord Heseltine's comments earlier on. First of all, Theresa
0:20:05 > 0:20:12May's position is strong at the moment. We at the grassroots of the
0:20:12 > 0:20:15Conservative Party do support her and I think she's doing a good job
0:20:15 > 0:20:20to negotiate the best deal for the British people. Lord Heseltine has
0:20:20 > 0:20:23mentioned about democracy and the democratic process. We have gone
0:20:23 > 0:20:33through that last year. We are leaving the EU and we are going to
0:20:33 > 0:20:42be able to leave the EU on the 29th of March, 2019, at 11am. Going back
0:20:42 > 0:20:46over the same debate will not help us.Are you happy with that, no
0:20:46 > 0:20:51matter what the terms are, Deal or no Deal, we don't know what the
0:20:51 > 0:20:58divorce Bill will be, trade deals, how it will affect our lives.It's
0:20:58 > 0:21:03not going to help us if Lord Heseltine pontificates the party in
0:21:03 > 0:21:09the sense that he is not helping the cause, and we should rally behind
0:21:09 > 0:21:12the Prime Minister at this stage to make sure we have the upper hand
0:21:12 > 0:21:18over EU counterparts. Why don't we have that unanimous support for the
0:21:18 > 0:21:23Prime Minister? The Cabinet reshuffle is not something she has
0:21:23 > 0:21:30planned. It has nothing to do with the Prime Minister's leadership. Her
0:21:30 > 0:21:34leadership can only be judged when the time comes, when the Brexit deal
0:21:34 > 0:21:39is on the table for the British people.Do you agree with that
0:21:39 > 0:21:45point? We need to back Theresa May and she is in a strong position?We
0:21:45 > 0:21:48are only five months into this government, so we need to give the
0:21:48 > 0:21:52government time to get on with the job. It has been a busy week in
0:21:52 > 0:21:58politics this week.It's been an exceptional week in politics, two
0:21:58 > 0:22:01Cabinet ministers quitting.It is an exceptional week, it's not a normal
0:22:01 > 0:22:05one. But we need to give the government space to get on with
0:22:05 > 0:22:09their work and do their job. Brexit is a decision not made long ago. We
0:22:09 > 0:22:14have had a general election since. Although it was a hung parliament,
0:22:14 > 0:22:18the Conservative Party did win the most seats. We know there have been
0:22:18 > 0:22:21two elections, I don't think anybody wants any more and we need to get on
0:22:21 > 0:22:26with the job.You talk about getting on with the job but the perception
0:22:26 > 0:22:32outside the UK, to people in Europe and the and European leaders, is
0:22:32 > 0:22:39that there is chaos at the moment.I think that's unfair. There isn't a
0:22:39 > 0:22:42crisis. They were two different issues that cause the resignations
0:22:42 > 0:22:48of those Cabinet ministers. In this day and age we hold cabinet
0:22:48 > 0:22:51ministers and politicians in general to a very high standards, which is
0:22:51 > 0:22:55right, and we should do that, as we do with many people in the public
0:22:55 > 0:23:00sphere. It's right we took those steps. It wasn't under anybody's
0:23:00 > 0:23:04control as such. Theresa May has made changes today. There was a
0:23:04 > 0:23:09piece in the Telegraph this morning to make progress on the biggest
0:23:09 > 0:23:14issue of our generation, Brexit, and we need to get on with it.You say
0:23:14 > 0:23:17it's unfair that EU leaders speculate Theresa May might not be
0:23:17 > 0:23:23in power by Christmas.I think speculation is not necessary and is
0:23:23 > 0:23:27not helpful. People were speculating remain would win. People were
0:23:27 > 0:23:31speculating Jeremy Corbyn would be annihilated. I suspect those people
0:23:31 > 0:23:34are the same who are predicting the demise of Theresa May and it's not
0:23:34 > 0:23:40helpful.You are saying that despite voting to remain but you back the
0:23:40 > 0:23:48Brexit process.I was part of the 48%, but equally there was a 52%. It
0:23:48 > 0:23:53was a big referendum, it was not quite. We have had a general
0:23:53 > 0:23:57election since. I was on the losing side of the EU referendum, but let's
0:23:57 > 0:24:01get on with it. We need to make sure Britain, our amazing country, has
0:24:01 > 0:24:05the best chance of success possible, and the way to do that is to stop
0:24:05 > 0:24:09distractions and get on with the job at hand. The government isn't just
0:24:09 > 0:24:13the government of Brexit, it's a government of Britain, and their
0:24:13 > 0:24:16domestic issues we need to tackle as well and I want the government to
0:24:16 > 0:24:20have space to do that.Lord Heseltine, what should Theresa May
0:24:20 > 0:24:27do next?She has already made it clear what she's going to do.What
0:24:27 > 0:24:32do you think she should do to improve the position of the
0:24:32 > 0:24:39Conservative Party at the moment? The dilemma is the Tory party is
0:24:39 > 0:24:46split from top to bottom. As are all the other parties. As long as that
0:24:46 > 0:24:49remains, this indecision and indecisiveness and uncertainty will
0:24:49 > 0:24:55hang as a cloud over the body politics. I have to be frank, I
0:24:55 > 0:24:58don't see an easy solution to this. I will tell you what I think will
0:24:58 > 0:25:03happen, which is not something Theresa May would like, but I think
0:25:03 > 0:25:07public opinion is shifting. Looking at the latest polling, there is
0:25:07 > 0:25:11already a bigger majority against Brexit than the one they achieved in
0:25:11 > 0:25:16the referendum. That's going to get worse. The Labour Party will shift
0:25:16 > 0:25:20as public opinion shifts, and the Tory party will be left holding the
0:25:20 > 0:25:26baby. Where I disagree with your two very articulate ladies, is that they
0:25:26 > 0:25:32seem to be prepared to accept any deal, any deal, no matter how bad,
0:25:32 > 0:25:36under the name of Brexit. I personally am totally opposed to
0:25:36 > 0:25:42that. I think the whole status of this country will be diminished. I
0:25:42 > 0:25:47think investment will decline. I think young people will feel
0:25:47 > 0:25:51deceived, they feel betrayed by the older generation of Brexiteers. They
0:25:51 > 0:25:58know that the way the world is today, Britain has to use its
0:25:58 > 0:26:02influence in big combinations. And Europe is the inevitable and only
0:26:02 > 0:26:09serious option for us.Samantha, how does the Conservative Party go about
0:26:09 > 0:26:14engaging with younger voters, especially, many of whom voted to
0:26:14 > 0:26:20remain?We actually think in the North we have a lot of different
0:26:20 > 0:26:27issues. This election in June just gone, that didn't do as much favour
0:26:27 > 0:26:31as we would like as a Conservative, because we have not engaged younger
0:26:31 > 0:26:34voters. That's the reason why we need to work very hard from a
0:26:34 > 0:26:40different level of education and to make sure we engage younger voters
0:26:40 > 0:26:45from the very beginning. We gave them a strong conservative
0:26:45 > 0:26:50conviction, conservative values from a young age. I also really feel that
0:26:50 > 0:26:58Lord Heseltine is wrong to say we don't have an understanding, we
0:26:58 > 0:27:03split across the party over Brexit. That isn't the case at all. In the
0:27:03 > 0:27:08grass roots in the north, people like and still respect Theresa May
0:27:08 > 0:27:11because she's the Prime Minister on the country. She can only be judged
0:27:11 > 0:27:15at any point on the deal is put on the table. Locally, in the north, we
0:27:15 > 0:27:21have a lot of issues. Conservative parties have scrapped the house
0:27:21 > 0:27:26letting fees and we are doing as much as we can for the energy bill
0:27:26 > 0:27:31to be capped. We care for the people in the North, and their likelihood,
0:27:31 > 0:27:37as well as the Brexit deal. In my city of Wakefield we are not allowed
0:27:37 > 0:27:42to have a stadium of our own for the Super League rugby club, which is
0:27:42 > 0:27:47what the council has promised us over and over. These are the issues,
0:27:47 > 0:27:52together with Brexit, Brexit isn't the only issue we are facing in the
0:27:52 > 0:28:01North.Another important word, other than Brexit, budget.We have a
0:28:01 > 0:28:04situation where Philip Hammond will make the case on Wednesday.
0:28:04 > 0:28:08Hopefully we will see more budget towards house-building. Sajid Javid
0:28:08 > 0:28:12has called for that recently forced up as a young person myself, I am
0:28:12 > 0:28:1627, and I am acutely aware we did not win the young vote in June's
0:28:16 > 0:28:21election. I think we need to have a mass recalibration of conservative
0:28:21 > 0:28:27values. We need to make the case for our party. The Broadchurch that it
0:28:27 > 0:28:32is, which has activists like us, and historical figures and amazing
0:28:32 > 0:28:37politicians within it, from the backbenches to ministerial ranks,
0:28:37 > 0:28:43Heidi Alan, Lord Heseltine, lots of diverse voices within the
0:28:43 > 0:28:47Conservative Party. I would like to see a good vision for our country
0:28:47 > 0:28:52beyond Brexit put forward with the budget in place. When it comes to
0:28:52 > 0:28:54house-building, it's such an important point for young people
0:28:54 > 0:28:59like myself. We want to see a calling and support for businesses,
0:28:59 > 0:29:04especially beyond Brexit. There are a lot of different issues the
0:29:04 > 0:29:09government is grappling with and we need to give them the space to get
0:29:09 > 0:29:13on with it.We will leave it there.
0:29:13 > 0:29:14Still to come...
0:29:14 > 0:29:16Is this the end of regular cervical screens?
0:29:16 > 0:29:19According to a new study women may only need three in a lifetime
0:29:19 > 0:29:21if they have been given the HPV vaccine.
0:29:21 > 0:29:23We'll be discussing this research.
0:29:23 > 0:29:26And two more high profile men have been accused of sexual abuse.
0:29:26 > 0:29:29We'll get the latest from Hollywood.
0:29:32 > 0:29:35Time for the latest news - here's Rachel.
0:29:35 > 0:29:38The headlines from BBC News...
0:29:38 > 0:29:42Theresa May has warned pro-EU Conservatives that she will not
0:29:42 > 0:29:45tolerate any attempts to block the Brexit process.
0:29:45 > 0:29:49In a sign of her intent, she's outlined plans to enshrine
0:29:49 > 0:29:52in law the exact moment that Britain will leave the European Union -
0:29:52 > 0:29:5711pm on 29th March, 2019.
0:29:57 > 0:30:02But the man responsible for writing the Article 50 withdrawal process,
0:30:02 > 0:30:06cross-bench peer Lord John Kerr, says Brexit could still be reversed.
0:30:06 > 0:30:09A new study is recommending that women who have had the HPV vaccine
0:30:09 > 0:30:12only need to have three smear tests during their life, rather than
0:30:12 > 0:30:15the 12 they're currently offered.
0:30:15 > 0:30:19The vaccine, which helps prevent against cervical cancer,
0:30:19 > 0:30:24has been given to girls aged 11 to 13 since 2008.
0:30:24 > 0:30:27The study, funded by Cancer Research UK, comes ahead of proposed changed
0:30:27 > 0:30:29to the NHS cervical cancer screening programme due to come in 2019.
0:30:37 > 0:30:44Donald Trump has told Asia and Pacific leaders America will no
0:30:44 > 0:30:45longer tolerate what he calls chronic trade abuses.
0:30:45 > 0:30:48The US President is in Vietnam at the Asia Pacific Economic
0:30:48 > 0:30:49Co-operation summit.
0:30:49 > 0:30:52During a hard-hitting speech, he said America was prepared to work
0:30:52 > 0:30:54with countries in the region, provided they abide
0:30:54 > 0:31:01by what he called "fair and reciprocal trade".
0:31:01 > 0:31:05From this day forward, we will compete on a fair and equal basis.
0:31:05 > 0:31:07We are not going to let the United States be taken
0:31:07 > 0:31:13advantage of any more.
0:31:13 > 0:31:20I am always going to put America first, the same way I expect
0:31:20 > 0:31:23all of you in this room to put your countries first.
0:31:23 > 0:31:26The actor and producer Steven Seagal is the latest Hollywood figure to be
0:31:26 > 0:31:32accused of sexual harassment.
0:31:32 > 0:31:35The actor Portia de Rossi, who is married to the US talk show
0:31:35 > 0:31:37host Ellen DeGeneres, made the allegation in a tweet.
0:31:37 > 0:31:40She claims that during a film audition Mr Seagal told her "how
0:31:40 > 0:31:42important it was to have chemistry off-screen" before
0:31:42 > 0:31:45unzipping his trousers.
0:31:45 > 0:31:55Mr Seagal's manager told the BBC that the actor had no comment.
0:31:55 > 0:31:57The French President Emmanuel Macron is making an unscheduled visit
0:31:57 > 0:32:00to Saudi Arabia to discuss the crisis in Lebanon
0:32:00 > 0:32:04after the Prime Minister, Saad Hariri, resigned on Saturday.
0:32:04 > 0:32:06Lebanon risks being the battleground in the fight between the Saudis
0:32:06 > 0:32:10and Iran for regional supremacy.
0:32:10 > 0:32:13Saudi Arabia has told its citizens to leave Lebanon immediately and not
0:32:13 > 0:32:20to travel there from any country.
0:32:20 > 0:32:23Universities are to be warned not to use misleading language or claims
0:32:23 > 0:32:24as they try to attract students.
0:32:24 > 0:32:27With hundreds of thousands of young people in the process
0:32:27 > 0:32:30of applying for courses, the BBC understands the advertising
0:32:30 > 0:32:33watchdog is to tell universities next week that they need to prove
0:32:33 > 0:32:37the accuracy of wording used in their marketing material.
0:32:37 > 0:32:46That's a summary of the latest BBC News.
0:32:46 > 0:32:53Let's get some sport now with Damien.
0:32:53 > 0:32:57Northern Ireland face a huge task to qualify for the World Cup
0:32:57 > 0:33:00after a controversial 1-0 defeat to Switzerland in their
0:33:00 > 0:33:00play-off in Belfast.
0:33:00 > 0:33:03Cory Evans was the victim of what looked a cruel injustice
0:33:03 > 0:33:06when he was adjudged to have handled in the area and Ricardo Rodriguez
0:33:06 > 0:33:09gave the Swiss a lead to take into Sunday's second leg.
0:33:09 > 0:33:12The players of both England and Germany will wear black armbands
0:33:12 > 0:33:14with poppies for tonight's friendly at Wembley in remembrance of fallen
0:33:14 > 0:33:16servicemen and women, after Fifa agreed to change
0:33:16 > 0:33:17to its rules.
0:33:17 > 0:33:20England's women are trying to bowl out the Australians on day two
0:33:20 > 0:33:22of the one-off Ashes Test in Sydney.
0:33:22 > 0:33:24It is a must win game for England.
0:33:24 > 0:33:27England are currently going well.
0:33:27 > 0:33:34The Aussies are four wickets down in the final session of the day.
0:33:34 > 0:33:36And former GB Olympian Jess Varnish is suing UK Sport
0:33:36 > 0:33:37and British Cycling.
0:33:37 > 0:33:40A source close to the sprinter has told BBC Sport her legal action
0:33:40 > 0:33:42is based on claims she suffered sex discrimination, detriment
0:33:42 > 0:33:45for whistleblowing, victimisation and unfair dismissal.
0:33:45 > 0:33:47That is all the sport for now.
0:33:47 > 0:33:52Women vaccinated against human papilloma virus, or HPV,
0:33:52 > 0:33:54which is thought to cause about 99% of cervical cancers,
0:33:54 > 0:33:56may only need three smear tests in their lifetime,
0:33:56 > 0:33:57a new study has suggested.
0:33:57 > 0:34:06Since 2008, the HPV vaccine has been offered to girls aged 11 to 13
0:34:06 > 0:34:08and reported cases have fallen sharply since then.
0:34:08 > 0:34:10A team from Queen Mary University of London
0:34:10 > 0:34:13found that screenings at age 30, 40 and 55 would offer the same
0:34:13 > 0:34:16benefit to these young women as the current 12 screenings.
0:34:16 > 0:34:19The study comes ahead of changes being planned to the screening
0:34:19 > 0:34:21programme in England for 2019, and similar adjustments
0:34:21 > 0:34:24in Scotland and Wales.
0:34:24 > 0:34:27At the moment, labs test for abnormalities in cells
0:34:27 > 0:34:32taken in a smear test, but the new tests will check
0:34:32 > 0:34:35for the presence of HPV first, and only check for abnormal cells
0:34:35 > 0:34:42if the virus is found.
0:34:42 > 0:34:45Joining us now, Mandy Parker was diagnosed with cervical cancer
0:34:45 > 0:34:49in 2015 after a routine smear test, and she had to have a hysterectomy.
0:34:49 > 0:34:51She also has two daughters, aged 17 and 14, who both
0:34:51 > 0:34:52had the HPV vaccine.
0:34:52 > 0:35:00Nicola Smith is Cancer Research UK's health expert.
0:35:00 > 0:35:02And Professor Anne Mackie is the Director of Screening
0:35:02 > 0:35:05at Public Health England.
0:35:05 > 0:35:11Welcome to the programme. Nicola, tell us more about why this study is
0:35:11 > 0:35:15so significant?This was a study funded by Cancer Research UK,
0:35:15 > 0:35:20modelling study looking at, for those girls who had the HBV vaccine
0:35:20 > 0:35:23who are approaching screening age now, what their screening programme
0:35:23 > 0:35:27might need to look like to get the same amount of benefit as women
0:35:27 > 0:35:31currently get through the programme, because they have this huge added
0:35:31 > 0:35:35protection against cervical cancer through the HPV vaccination they
0:35:35 > 0:35:48have had. This modelling study took into account different
0:35:53 > 0:35:55factors the fact that the HPV primary test that you mentioned will
0:35:55 > 0:35:57be being introduced, and it suggested that to get the same
0:35:57 > 0:36:00amount of benefit as the current programme, the girls who have had
0:36:00 > 0:36:02the HPV vaccination will only need three smears instead of the current
0:36:02 > 0:36:0512.Why does that matter, why three rather than 12?We are keen to make
0:36:05 > 0:36:08sure women are getting the same benefits but if they can do so with
0:36:08 > 0:36:11fewer procedures, if they need to go less often, that is a great thing
0:36:11 > 0:36:13for these women.So people are being vaccinated but HPV, is human
0:36:13 > 0:36:18papillomavirus, what is it?It is a virus linked to all cases of
0:36:18 > 0:36:22cervical cancer. For most people you will get infected with the virus and
0:36:22 > 0:36:27clear it and be fine, but in some cases the virus does persist and for
0:36:27 > 0:36:32those people who don't clear it, it can cause cervical cancer, so it is
0:36:32 > 0:36:37important that we vaccinate against it in girls now that we have the
0:36:37 > 0:36:43opportunity to do that, but the HPV vaccine only protect about 70% of
0:36:43 > 0:36:46infections with HPV so that is why it is important that these girls
0:36:46 > 0:36:50still have some smears because there is still a chance that they will
0:36:50 > 0:36:56still get the other HPV types we are not protecting against.Mandy, you
0:36:56 > 0:36:59were diagnosed with cervical cancer in 2015, can you tell us what
0:36:59 > 0:37:05happened? How did you find out?It was through my regular screening, I
0:37:05 > 0:37:10had never missed one, I went in June 2015, no symptoms, went along as
0:37:10 > 0:37:13normal and had the screening and unfortunately they called me back
0:37:13 > 0:37:19because there were abnormal cells and in September 2015I had a radical
0:37:19 > 0:37:22hysterectomy due to early-stage cervical cancer. But it was an
0:37:22 > 0:37:25aggressive grade so I was told that if I had not gone for screening it
0:37:25 > 0:37:29would be a totally different story, I would not still be here to tell
0:37:29 > 0:37:37the tale now.It is so important and it is a great thing about the new
0:37:37 > 0:37:39HPV screening because that is what caused my cervical cancer. In the
0:37:39 > 0:37:42way it is down to look for you because you were approaching a
0:37:42 > 0:37:47screening but otherwise it would have been another three years?Yes,
0:37:47 > 0:37:50another three years, and women lead busy lives, it is important to put
0:37:50 > 0:37:54it off but it is important that people attend on time because they
0:37:54 > 0:37:59can detect early changes so it was not as bad as it could have been.
0:37:59 > 0:38:02How like other cases were jewels in that there were no symptoms?I had
0:38:02 > 0:38:07no symptoms, I just went along, I have never had an abnormal screening
0:38:07 > 0:38:11so I didn't think there would be anything different in this one, I
0:38:11 > 0:38:18didn't have any symptoms, but that is not the case for other people,
0:38:18 > 0:38:21other people can have symptoms, but I didn't, but if I had missed the
0:38:21 > 0:38:26screening it would have been worse. How do you feel about the news
0:38:26 > 0:38:32today...I think it is brilliant. You have two teenage daughters?I
0:38:32 > 0:38:36do, they have both been vaccinated, I would encourage everyone to have
0:38:36 > 0:38:42the HPV vaccine, that is what caused my cervical cancer.Why is it so
0:38:42 > 0:38:46important for girls to have the HPV vaccine?To stop them getting
0:38:46 > 0:38:50cervical cancer, in the end, and that is what we want. It is really
0:38:50 > 0:38:55exciting times for cervical cancer, we now know what causes it, we can
0:38:55 > 0:39:00look for it and, as you say, we are turning the programme over so we
0:39:00 > 0:39:03will look for that rather than abnormal cells, which is a better,
0:39:03 > 0:39:06simpler test and we have a real prospect of stopping it happening in
0:39:06 > 0:39:11the first place and how fantastic is that?When will it come in? This is
0:39:11 > 0:39:15what the study has found, when could this new screening programme kick
0:39:15 > 0:39:20in?I think the important thing to say is this is a model, so what the
0:39:20 > 0:39:23researchers have done is say, if this happens and happened in this
0:39:23 > 0:39:29way, then the chances are it would be safe for women to have many, many
0:39:29 > 0:39:33fewer screenings. What the programme is doing at the moment is
0:39:33 > 0:39:35concentrating on changing from the cytology test, looking at the cells
0:39:35 > 0:39:41under the microscope, to looking at the emergence of the virus, and we
0:39:41 > 0:39:46will get that into place by the end of 2019. The other thing to say is
0:39:46 > 0:39:51that the girls who have been vaccinated are coming up to 21, 22,
0:39:51 > 0:39:55and we start screening at 25, and we know that screening is being taken
0:39:55 > 0:40:02up by fewer women, the rate of people taking up screening are
0:40:02 > 0:40:07declining.Why do you think that is? All sorts of reasons but before I go
0:40:07 > 0:40:11there, but I want to do is say that I will probably be dead by the time
0:40:11 > 0:40:15the current 25-year-old As are right the way through the programme
0:40:15 > 0:40:20because it does not finish until 65 so we really need to be clear that
0:40:20 > 0:40:23for women who have not been vaccinated it is incredibly
0:40:23 > 0:40:26important they go and get a screening test, which we are making
0:40:26 > 0:40:30better.Instead of people saying, I only need to be screened three
0:40:30 > 0:40:36times, the key thing is having had that HPV vaccine at a young age. How
0:40:36 > 0:40:40long, once you have had that, schoolgirls have the HPV vaccine,
0:40:40 > 0:40:44how long does it last?That is a good question and part of the reason
0:40:44 > 0:40:50that what has been done is a model because across the world we have
0:40:50 > 0:40:55been vaccinating since 2008 or so. The evidence is very strong that it
0:40:55 > 0:41:00lasts a long time, but we are continuing to gather the data to see
0:41:00 > 0:41:05whether people remain protected. Nicola, do you want to come in
0:41:05 > 0:41:09before we come back to the reasons why?Yes, the main aim of the
0:41:09 > 0:41:13cervical screening programme is actually prevention rather than
0:41:13 > 0:41:16diagnosis, although it does pick up some cases of cervical cancer
0:41:16 > 0:41:22actually for a lot of women who get abnormal results those cell changes
0:41:22 > 0:41:25are actually precancerous, things that can be dealt with, they can be
0:41:25 > 0:41:30removed or dealt with before it even has a chance to develop into cancer,
0:41:30 > 0:41:34so although Mandy's experience is unfortunate, for a lot of women when
0:41:34 > 0:41:39they go through the smear process it will be fine and if those abnormal
0:41:39 > 0:41:43cells are picked up hopefully it can be dealt with before they turn into
0:41:43 > 0:41:48cancer.Can we then, in theory, get to a stage where we really do
0:41:48 > 0:41:54minimise cases of serious cervical cancer? I don't want to use the word
0:41:54 > 0:41:59eliminate, but get to that stage... Another piece of work that Peter has
0:41:59 > 0:42:03done is suggest that if people took up the screening offer as the
0:42:03 > 0:42:06programme is now, we would stop more than 80% of cases of cervical
0:42:06 > 0:42:12cancer. It is incredibly effective set of things to do.But having said
0:42:12 > 0:42:15that, you say there are declining numbers of women going for
0:42:15 > 0:42:21screening? Why?It is interesting, I think there is a mix of reasons.
0:42:21 > 0:42:27Apart from the obvious that it is not necessarily, the procedure
0:42:27 > 0:42:30itself, although it does not take long, it might not be the most
0:42:30 > 0:42:33comfortable thing to do for people? Some people find it uncomfortable
0:42:33 > 0:42:37and some people are worried they will find it uncomfortable. People
0:42:37 > 0:42:42lead busy lives, if you have three jobs and four children, you have got
0:42:42 > 0:42:45other things to worry about, it can be difficult sometimes to get access
0:42:45 > 0:42:50to a GP or clinic to do these things, and some really interesting
0:42:50 > 0:43:04work suggests that about five to 8% of people who have not had it have
0:43:04 > 0:43:07never heard of it, so we have got a huge amount of work to promote it,
0:43:07 > 0:43:09and programmes like this are very helpful.Just spinach, your final
0:43:09 > 0:43:11pitch to people washing the programme who have perhaps ignored
0:43:11 > 0:43:14the doctors' letter and have not been for a screening, what would you
0:43:14 > 0:43:16say to them?I would say it is essential, just go, it does not
0:43:16 > 0:43:19matter if you have missed a letter, go and book your screening and the
0:43:19 > 0:43:22cervical Cancer trust is there to help anyone who is frightened about
0:43:22 > 0:43:26going for a smear test and to help along the procedure so I would urge
0:43:26 > 0:43:31people to take up the invitation. This Cancer Research UK modelling
0:43:31 > 0:43:37study is just a modelling study. For now, we are not going to see these
0:43:37 > 0:43:40changes implemented, so people, take note of the invitation when it comes
0:43:40 > 0:43:44through the post, and watch this space.Get your daughters vaccinated
0:43:44 > 0:43:48and take up the offer when it comes. I know I said that was a final thing
0:43:48 > 0:43:54but our boys affected by this?Boys certainly have HPV but my colleague
0:43:54 > 0:44:01said that the rates of protection we are giving, 80% of girls are not
0:44:01 > 0:44:05going to get it, so the whole population benefits. HPV is in a bad
0:44:05 > 0:44:09way and there should be much less of it right the way across the
0:44:09 > 0:44:11population.Thank you very much indeed.
0:44:11 > 0:44:15Coming up...
0:44:15 > 0:44:17A last minute goal at Anfield to win the title -
0:44:17 > 0:44:19that's a cherished memory for many Arsenal fans,
0:44:19 > 0:44:21and it's now been made into a film.
0:44:21 > 0:44:24We're speaking to Lee Dixon, who was part of that winning team.
0:44:24 > 0:44:26Another day, yet more allegations about inappropriate sexual
0:44:26 > 0:44:27behaviour in Hollywood.
0:44:27 > 0:44:30The actor Steven Seagal is the latest star to be accused
0:44:30 > 0:44:32of sexual harrassment, after this tweet from
0:44:32 > 0:44:35the actress Portia de Rossi.
0:44:35 > 0:44:38The Arrested Development actress, who is married to US talk show
0:44:38 > 0:44:43host Ellen DeGeneres, claims that during a film audition
0:44:43 > 0:44:47Mr Seagal told her "how important it was to have chemistry off-screen"
0:44:47 > 0:44:48before unzipping his trousers.
0:44:48 > 0:44:58His manager told BBC News that the actor had no comment.
0:45:02 > 0:45:04Meanwhile Emmy Award-winning US comedian Louis CK's movie premiere
0:45:04 > 0:45:06has been cancelled hours before the screening, as five women
0:45:06 > 0:45:07accused him of sexual misconduct.
0:45:07 > 0:45:09The BBC has contacted his manager for a comment.
0:45:09 > 0:45:11Let's speak to the Hollywood reporter Gayl Murphy,
0:45:11 > 0:45:15who's in Los Angeles.
0:45:15 > 0:45:25Good morning. Can you tell us what the latest allegations are?You can
0:45:25 > 0:45:30add Steven Seagal, and American comedian Louis CK to the list of
0:45:30 > 0:45:34alleged sexual allegations that include the likes of Kevin Spacey,
0:45:34 > 0:45:45Dustin Hoffman, Brett Ratner, Jeremy Piven. Everyday people are waking up
0:45:45 > 0:45:50in Hollywood and trying to find out and figure out who is next. It's
0:45:50 > 0:46:00surprising, when you look at the list, people like Dustin Hoffman and
0:46:00 > 0:46:03Jeremy Piven, these are just allegations and we have to be clear
0:46:03 > 0:46:07about that, but we get glimpses into these peoples lives we did not
0:46:07 > 0:46:12necessarily want to see. I was talking to producer earlier about
0:46:12 > 0:46:18how this is almost like a tsunami. You know how you see those
0:46:18 > 0:46:24documentaries about, how clean is your house, and they take the
0:46:24 > 0:46:27ultraviolet, and you think your bedding is clean and they take the
0:46:27 > 0:46:31ultraviolet light and all of a sudden you think, where did all this
0:46:31 > 0:46:37dirt come from? It's like that, hiding in plain sight. It's just a
0:46:37 > 0:46:42very unsettling time. It's a good time in the fact that women now feel
0:46:42 > 0:46:48comfortable, more comfortable, speaking out about what happened to
0:46:48 > 0:46:52them and their experience. The screen actors Guild is stepping up.
0:46:52 > 0:46:58The TV Academy is stepping up and saying they will make themselves
0:46:58 > 0:47:04safe places for you. If something happens to you under the umbrella of
0:47:04 > 0:47:09a Castlin, you can come to us, and we will make it safe for you. One of
0:47:09 > 0:47:13the misnomers about Hollywood is that there is somewhere to go and
0:47:13 > 0:47:16someone who will support you, but that isn't true, there is no HR
0:47:16 > 0:47:23Department. So every day it's something else and something more
0:47:23 > 0:47:27against what we are hearing about a lot of these claims and allegations
0:47:27 > 0:47:35through social media channels.Can you give us a sense of the mood and
0:47:35 > 0:47:41reaction in Hollywood.The reaction in Hollywood is everybody's holding
0:47:41 > 0:47:51their breath. They don't know who is next. You think you know someone. I
0:47:51 > 0:47:55had an experience with somebody that's terrific, and you have
0:47:55 > 0:48:00experienced the same person and it's dreadful. You never really know. And
0:48:00 > 0:48:09when you are dealing with power and money and dealing in a business,
0:48:09 > 0:48:11these are all wild cards and you don't really know what's going to
0:48:11 > 0:48:16happen. It's not even a matter of, why don't you just tell your agent.
0:48:16 > 0:48:21Your agent can't make that decision. They have to push it upstairs. The
0:48:21 > 0:48:27same thing with your manager.You say that, but Portia de Rossi said
0:48:27 > 0:48:30in her tweet, her complaints about Steven Seagal's behaviour were
0:48:30 > 0:48:35dismissed at the time by her agent. Isn't the onus on Hollywood agents
0:48:35 > 0:48:42to do more to protect their clients? It's like a supply chain. Every
0:48:42 > 0:48:49single step along the way has to be revisited. Typically come in a
0:48:49 > 0:48:53corporate environment, you have an HR department that has an entire
0:48:53 > 0:48:58mechanism. It has a road map and has the rules that you follow to
0:48:58 > 0:49:06actually investigate anything to do with sexual harassment on a job. You
0:49:06 > 0:49:10don't have that where everybody is a freelancer. Even if you have an
0:49:10 > 0:49:14agent or manager, there is no guarantee because he or she could
0:49:14 > 0:49:21lose their job. They really just want you to shut up and not rock the
0:49:21 > 0:49:28boat.Thank you for speaking to us. You have been getting in touch on
0:49:28 > 0:49:32the stories we have been talking about this morning. Theresa May's
0:49:32 > 0:49:39week and the Brexit date and time will be enshrined in law. Sarah on
0:49:39 > 0:49:42Facebook says Brexit should not be politicised to gain brownie points
0:49:42 > 0:49:45for the Conservative Party. It should be for the good of the
0:49:45 > 0:49:49country as a whole. It should be a consortium from across the country
0:49:49 > 0:49:53from businesses to education planning the Brexit strategy. Take
0:49:53 > 0:49:58it away from politicians who are only self-interested. Matt on
0:49:58 > 0:50:01Facebook says Brexit day can't come soon enough. Let it also be
0:50:01 > 0:50:08enshrined as a public holiday. You have also been talking about HPV, a
0:50:08 > 0:50:12tweet from Mike, it's fantastic girls get free vaccinations from
0:50:12 > 0:50:18HPV, but boys need it as well. Speaking as a man who has had HPV
0:50:18 > 0:50:22related oral cancer. And an e-mail from Helen, my mother and sister
0:50:22 > 0:50:26both had cervical cancer and I had banal cancer, the vaccine would have
0:50:26 > 0:50:31helped us all. Coming up on the programme, we are expecting the
0:50:31 > 0:50:35ruling...
0:50:35 > 0:50:37We're expecting the ruling in a court case about whether Uber
0:50:37 > 0:50:39drivers should be considered employees and all the
0:50:39 > 0:50:40entitlements that brings.
0:50:40 > 0:50:42We'll speak to the driver who brought the case.
0:50:42 > 0:50:45It was one of the most sensational ends to a football
0:50:45 > 0:50:46season in history.
0:50:46 > 0:50:51Let me take you back to Anfield, the 26th of May 1989.
0:50:51 > 0:50:53Liverpool are three points ahead of their title rivals Arsenal -
0:50:53 > 0:50:56crucially, their goal difference is one better.
0:50:56 > 0:50:59And by a twist of fate, the fixture list has them playing
0:50:59 > 0:51:02each other on the final day of the season.
0:51:02 > 0:51:06To win the league, Arsenal would have to not only do
0:51:06 > 0:51:11what so many teams in the 1980s thought was virtually unthinkable -
0:51:11 > 0:51:13beat Liverpool at Anfield - but they'd have to do it
0:51:13 > 0:51:16by two clear goals.
0:51:16 > 0:51:19So, leading 1-0, into the last minute of the game, it looked
0:51:19 > 0:51:24like Arsenal had just fallen short.
0:51:24 > 0:51:27If you are a Liverpool fan you might want to turn away for a couple of
0:51:27 > 0:51:28minutes.
0:51:28 > 0:51:30Then a couple of long balls up the pitch,
0:51:30 > 0:51:32and Arsenal's Michael Thomas found himself with just
0:51:32 > 0:51:33Liverpool's keeper to beat.
0:51:33 > 0:51:35He did. And the Gunners won the title.
0:51:35 > 0:51:39Hairs on the back of your neck stuff.
0:51:39 > 0:51:41Well, they've made a film about it- called Arsenal 89 -
0:51:41 > 0:51:44and one of the heroes of that day is here now.
0:51:44 > 0:51:46But first let's take a look- and a warning, this trailer
0:51:46 > 0:51:51contains flashing images.
0:51:51 > 0:51:58It's easily the best finish I have ever seen in a football match. Ever.
0:51:58 > 0:52:03Its 100 years since...
0:52:14 > 0:52:24Liverpool were the team to beat.We didn't want to fail.
0:52:27 > 0:52:33We have to win by two clear goals. Seriously!You think Liverpool are
0:52:33 > 0:52:40going to win?Yeah, who's going to beat them?LAUGHTER
0:52:40 > 0:52:43Smith!
0:52:47 > 0:52:53It was desire as well as technical ability.Success, you will do
0:52:53 > 0:53:06anything to get it.I can't emphasise enough how the crowds...
0:53:06 > 0:53:15One more goal and Arsenal will win it.One minute to go.There must be
0:53:15 > 0:53:22seconds left.Then it goes into slow motion.Arsenal come streaming
0:53:22 > 0:53:25forward in what will surely be the last attack.I'm looking straight
0:53:25 > 0:53:31down the pitch and I'm thinking, this must be my time.What are you
0:53:31 > 0:53:39doing? Kick it, I'm shouting.Isn't it lovely to have moments in your
0:53:39 > 0:53:43life where you think, nothing can beat that.
0:53:43 > 0:53:49Let's talk now to former Arsenal and England defender Lee Dixon.
0:53:49 > 0:53:53You were just saying that watching the trailer, you still get goose
0:53:53 > 0:53:57bumps.It gets me every time. I have seen the finished version of the
0:53:57 > 0:54:01film probably five or six times, but even watching the trailer, I always
0:54:01 > 0:54:06think he's going to miss, he's going to hit the post and it's going to
0:54:06 > 0:54:10come out and something bad is going to happen, but it goes in every
0:54:10 > 0:54:17time.Take this back to that day in 1989. The anticipation of what it
0:54:17 > 0:54:22was like to play at Anfield.It was an incredible season right
0:54:22 > 0:54:25throughout, not only with what happened at Hillsborough right in
0:54:25 > 0:54:28the middle, which was hugely emotional, but going to the end of
0:54:28 > 0:54:32the season, we were top of the league. Liverpool were this shadow
0:54:32 > 0:54:36coming up behind us and winning every game they played. We had a
0:54:36 > 0:54:42wobble before the end of the season, lost a game and drew at home. Going
0:54:42 > 0:54:47to Anfield, I think because we needed to win 2-0, strangely enough
0:54:47 > 0:54:53it played in our favour. We were quite relaxed.Underdogs?Yeah, it
0:54:53 > 0:54:58is a David and Goliath thing. Deep down we knew we could win, but in
0:54:58 > 0:55:03our heads, certainly my head, I thought if we get beat 4-0, nobody
0:55:03 > 0:55:06will be surprised because Liverpool were a juggernaut of a team who
0:55:06 > 0:55:11could win every game they played. It was an intimidating game but
0:55:11 > 0:55:18strangely relaxing when we went onto the pitch. The biggest moment was
0:55:18 > 0:55:23handing over flowers before the game. It was almost like handing
0:55:23 > 0:55:26over... Hillsborough was in our thoughts not only leading up to the
0:55:26 > 0:55:29game but on the night as well. Handing over the flowers was
0:55:29 > 0:55:34symbolic for me. I was then allowed to go back to playing football. It
0:55:34 > 0:55:39was a big night in all ways.I have seen it, and you get a sense in
0:55:39 > 0:55:44watching it, because of Hillsborough happening, and you say yourself in
0:55:44 > 0:55:46it, you didn't think the league would continue that here.I didn't,
0:55:46 > 0:55:54and I didn't want it to. We had two weeks where we didn't play. George
0:55:54 > 0:55:58try to get us to come in to training, but none of the lads were
0:55:58 > 0:56:04interested. It was all going on in the media as well. Why would
0:56:04 > 0:56:09football matter, and why should it matter? It didn't stop what you can
0:56:09 > 0:56:13see how devastated you all were and how devastated everyone was. -- it
0:56:13 > 0:56:20didn't stop whites you can see how devastated you all were...Stop
0:56:24 > 0:56:26. It soured
0:56:30 > 0:56:34it's our job to go out and play football. You can go back to this
0:56:34 > 0:56:38now. That's how your mind has to work. You have a game every two or
0:56:38 > 0:56:42three days with a match coming round. The end of the season was
0:56:42 > 0:56:49looming. The team ethic carried us through a lot of dark times. We knew
0:56:49 > 0:56:53we had the league, we threw it away and it was our turn to try to win it
0:56:53 > 0:56:56back in that game stop
0:57:01 > 0:57:06.Was that the biggest game in our store's history?It was for me. Even
0:57:06 > 0:57:12kids now ask what the biggest memory was. I say Anfield in 1989, and a
0:57:12 > 0:57:17lot of them were not even born.I would like to say I wasn't, but I
0:57:17 > 0:57:21was.It pushes it into people's memories again. Not only Arsenal
0:57:21 > 0:57:26fans but football fans in general. We were originally going to call the
0:57:26 > 0:57:30film, the goal that changed everything. Not only did it change
0:57:30 > 0:57:34the Arsenal history, but it dented Liverpool as well. Also the face of
0:57:34 > 0:57:38football. Because it was after Hillsborough, everything changed. We
0:57:38 > 0:57:47changed it back to 89 because it was shorter and symbolic. It's a film
0:57:47 > 0:57:53about football and about the story and as well as Arsenal.I look
0:57:53 > 0:57:58forward to seeing it in its entirety. We can get the weather
0:57:58 > 0:57:59next with Nick Miller.
0:58:02 > 0:58:07A lot of sunny weather around this weekend, especially by Sunday, but
0:58:07 > 0:58:10temperatures are coming down with cold weather on the way. Looking at
0:58:10 > 0:58:15your pictures from Friday's weather, plenty of showers in Highland
0:58:15 > 0:58:20Scotland but sunshine in between. A glorious start day in Norfolk. There
0:58:20 > 0:58:23are parts of England and Wales that have started with rain but it has
0:58:23 > 0:58:28cleared away south with increasing sunshine across South Wales and
0:58:28 > 0:58:32southern England. It still wet on the ground but the sun has come out
0:58:32 > 0:58:36and it will be a pleasant day. On this north-westerly wind we will
0:58:36 > 0:58:40have showers running into north-west England, they'd some drifting into
0:58:40 > 0:58:43the Midlands, maybe clip in Northern Ireland and the north and west of
0:58:43 > 0:58:49Scotland. A blustery start to the day. Staying quite windy. The
0:58:49 > 0:58:53showers might have hail and thunder. Wintry in the hills above 300
0:58:53 > 0:58:58metres, but lots of sunshine in south-east Scotland. It's a fine
0:58:58 > 0:59:02Friday on the way for many of us, if you dodge the showers that are out
0:59:02 > 0:59:08there. The chilly wind will be important, especially across
0:59:08 > 0:59:12Scotland, northern England and Northern Ireland. Into tonight,
0:59:12 > 0:59:16temperatures dropping quite quickly in Scotland as the wind uses.
0:59:16 > 0:59:19Further clear spells and showers in the North with a touch of Frost in
0:59:19 > 0:59:26places. We could see a spell of rain moving through this evening into
0:59:26 > 0:59:29Northern Ireland, England and Wales overnight. Temperatures holding up.
0:59:29 > 0:59:33They could be some icy patches in northern Scotland especially on
0:59:33 > 0:59:36untreated higher routes after some of those showers after temperatures
0:59:36 > 0:59:41have dipped. Sunshine in northern England, sunshine developing in
0:59:41 > 0:59:44Northern Ireland and perhaps the Midlands and East Anglia later in
0:59:44 > 0:59:52the day. Large parts staying cloudy in central and south England. Rain
0:59:52 > 0:59:56in the south-west of England and South Wales. Maybe as far east as
0:59:56 > 1:00:04Sussex. It is chilly in the sunshine. Some rain pepping up South
1:00:04 > 1:00:09Wales and south England, but we think that's gone by Sunday morning.
1:00:09 > 1:00:13A cold bush of Arctic air from the north on Sunday with temperatures
1:00:13 > 1:00:20dipping for all of us. There will be a lot of dry and sunny weather on
1:00:20 > 1:00:23Sunday. The difference being that on the North Sea coast, northern
1:00:23 > 1:00:27Scotland, the Irish Sea coast, you might see showers, but many of us
1:00:27 > 1:00:30will have a sunny day. But temperatures will dip and it will be
1:00:30 > 1:00:31chilly.
1:00:35 > 1:00:39Hello, it's Friday, it's 10am.
1:00:39 > 1:00:41I'm Tina Daheley.
1:00:41 > 1:00:44Theresa May says she wants to put the date and time when the UK
1:00:44 > 1:00:45will leave the EU into law.
1:00:45 > 1:00:47It'll be 11pm on 29th March, 2019.
1:00:47 > 1:00:54But former Conservative Deputy Prime Minister Lord Heseltine told this
1:00:54 > 1:00:55programme she's introducing uncertainty at exactly
1:00:55 > 1:00:59the wrong time.
1:00:59 > 1:01:04Fixing in law the date will merely accelerate people's decision to take
1:01:04 > 1:01:09investment elsewhere, not to make investment here.
1:01:09 > 1:01:12Frankly, it's a panic measure, reflecting the growing anxiety that
1:01:12 > 1:01:17hostility to Brexit is growing.
1:01:17 > 1:01:20Uber drivers will find out today the outcome of the company's appeal
1:01:20 > 1:01:23against a ruling saying drivers should be classed as workers,
1:01:23 > 1:01:28rather than self-employed.
1:01:28 > 1:01:31We'll talk to one of the drivers who brought the original case.
1:01:31 > 1:01:34We're up against it, we're up against an army of lawyers
1:01:34 > 1:01:36an army of PR consultants, an army of lobbyists.
1:01:36 > 1:01:40But I think we'll prevail.
1:01:40 > 1:01:43We will bring you the ruling when it happens.
1:01:43 > 1:01:45Potential victims of revenge porn are being asked to send
1:01:45 > 1:01:48Facebook their nude photos so the company can use technology
1:01:48 > 1:01:49to block former partners from posting them online.
1:01:49 > 1:01:51It's a pilot project in Australia.
1:01:51 > 1:02:01We'll find out more.
1:02:01 > 1:02:06Here's Rachel in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.
1:02:06 > 1:02:09The headlines from BBC News...
1:02:09 > 1:02:11Theresa May has warned pro-EU Conservatives that she will not
1:02:11 > 1:02:16tolerate any attempts to block the Brexit process.
1:02:16 > 1:02:18In a sign of her intent, she's outlined plans to enshrine
1:02:18 > 1:02:22in law the exact moment that Britain will leave the European Union -
1:02:22 > 1:02:2811pm on 29th March, 2019.
1:02:28 > 1:02:30But the man responsible for writing the Article 50 withdrawal process,
1:02:30 > 1:02:40cross-bench peer Lord John Kerr, says Brexit could still be reversed.
1:02:41 > 1:02:46While we're in, we're in. While the divorce talks proceeds, the parties
1:02:46 > 1:02:51are still married. Reconciliation is still possible. The article requires
1:02:51 > 1:02:58the parties to negotiate the arrangements for our withdrawal, but
1:02:58 > 1:03:04we are not required to withdraw just because Mrs May sent her letter. We
1:03:04 > 1:03:08can change our minds at any stage during the process.
1:03:08 > 1:03:11A new study is recommending that women who have had the HPV vaccine
1:03:11 > 1:03:14only need to have three smear tests during their life, rather than
1:03:14 > 1:03:17the 12 they're currently offered.
1:03:17 > 1:03:22The vaccine, which helps prevent against cervical cancer,
1:03:22 > 1:03:25has been given to girls aged 11 to 13 since 2008.
1:03:25 > 1:03:35The study, funded by Cancer Research UK, comes ahead of proposed changed
1:03:36 > 1:03:38-- changes to the NHS cervical cancer screening programme
1:03:38 > 1:03:43due to come in 2019.
1:03:43 > 1:03:45Donald Trump has told Asia and Pacific leaders America will no
1:03:45 > 1:03:48longer tolerate what he calls chronic trade abuses.
1:03:48 > 1:03:51The US President is in Vietnam at the Asia-Pacific Economic
1:03:51 > 1:03:52Co-operation summit.
1:03:52 > 1:03:55During a hard-hitting speech, he said America was prepared to work
1:03:55 > 1:03:57with countries in the region, provided they abide
1:03:57 > 1:04:02by what he called "fair and reciprocal trade".
1:04:02 > 1:04:05The French President Emmanuel Macron is making an unscheduled visit
1:04:05 > 1:04:08to Saudi Arabia to discuss the crisis in Lebanon
1:04:08 > 1:04:12after the Prime Minister, Saad Hariri, resigned on Saturday.
1:04:12 > 1:04:15Lebanon risks being the battleground in the fight between the Saudis
1:04:15 > 1:04:19and Iran for regional supremacy.
1:04:19 > 1:04:22Saudi Arabia has told its citizens to leave Lebanon immediately and not
1:04:22 > 1:04:26to travel there from any country.
1:04:26 > 1:04:31A police force is facing a High Court challenge today
1:04:31 > 1:04:33over its refusal to delete the details of a teenaged boy
1:04:33 > 1:04:36who sent a naked picture of himself on social media to a girl
1:04:36 > 1:04:39at his school.
1:04:39 > 1:04:41The boy's mother is concerned that Greater Manchester Police may
1:04:41 > 1:04:46release the information to potential employers when he's older.
1:04:46 > 1:04:49Facebook's founding president has said he's worried about the effect
1:04:49 > 1:04:52the site is having on society.
1:04:52 > 1:04:57Sean Parker, who says he no longer uses social media,
1:04:57 > 1:04:59said the network was built on "exploiting a vulnerability
1:04:59 > 1:05:01in human psychology", and he was concerned
1:05:01 > 1:05:06about what it was "doing to children's brains".
1:05:06 > 1:05:10The actor and producer Steven Seagal is the latest Hollywood figure to be
1:05:10 > 1:05:12accused of sexual harassment.
1:05:12 > 1:05:15The actor Portia de Rossi, who is married to the US talk show
1:05:15 > 1:05:19host Ellen DeGeneres, made the allegation in a tweet.
1:05:19 > 1:05:22She claims that during a film audition Mr Seagal told her "how
1:05:22 > 1:05:24important it was to have chemistry off-screen" before
1:05:24 > 1:05:27unzipping his trousers.
1:05:27 > 1:05:31Mr Seagal's manager told the BBC that the actor had no comment.
1:05:31 > 1:05:38That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.30am.
1:05:38 > 1:05:41Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -
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1:05:45 > 1:05:53Let's get the sport now with Damian.
1:05:53 > 1:05:57Northern Ireland face an uphill test to qualify for their first World Cup
1:05:57 > 1:06:01since 1986 after a controversial first leg play-off defeat to
1:06:01 > 1:06:04Switzerland in Belfast. Northern Ireland's Cory Evans was harshly
1:06:04 > 1:06:08adjudged to have handled in the air, the ball appeared to have struck him
1:06:08 > 1:06:12on the bag or solder, but the referee awarded a penalty and the
1:06:12 > 1:06:16only goal of the game was scored from the spot. The decision outraged
1:06:16 > 1:06:21the Northern Ireland manager. I thought he had given possibly an
1:06:21 > 1:06:25offside or something, initially I wasn't sure because, having hit Cory
1:06:25 > 1:06:29, the ball did not go out for a corner, you expect a corner, a
1:06:29 > 1:06:35penalty in that situation, and to book the player as well... I spent
1:06:35 > 1:06:42three hours in a conference the other week with Fifa on assisted
1:06:42 > 1:06:45video refereeing and certainly when you see what happened in IQ would be
1:06:45 > 1:06:51an advocate of it.
1:06:51 > 1:06:53Both England and Germany players will wear black armbands
1:06:53 > 1:06:55with poppies in remembrance of fallen servicemen and women.
1:06:55 > 1:06:58Fifa had previoiusly banned sporting them and the home nations were fined
1:06:58 > 1:07:00for doing so in November last year.
1:07:00 > 1:07:02Fifa's argument had been that it was a political gesture
1:07:02 > 1:07:05but have now changed the rules and allowed the wearing of poppies
1:07:05 > 1:07:07if both teams are in agreement.
1:07:07 > 1:07:09They will also be using video assistant referee technology.
1:07:09 > 1:07:11This is technology to help the referee review
1:07:11 > 1:07:19incidents like goals, red cards, penalties.
1:07:19 > 1:07:21It's Day Two of the one-off Women's Ashes Test
1:07:21 > 1:07:22match between England and Australia in Sydney.
1:07:22 > 1:07:25It's a must-win match for England, because victory for Australia
1:07:25 > 1:07:27will see them go 8-2 up in the multi-format series,
1:07:27 > 1:07:30and that will be enough to see them regain the urn.
1:07:30 > 1:07:33England's first innings came to a close this morning for 280.
1:07:33 > 1:07:35And the bowlers have made inroads, with Sophie Ecclestone
1:07:35 > 1:07:37doing the damage - she took the wicket
1:07:37 > 1:07:38of Beth Mooney first.
1:07:38 > 1:07:41And then claimed the wicket of Alex Blackwell to put
1:07:41 > 1:07:45England in a good position.
1:07:45 > 1:07:48They're currently 159-4.
1:07:48 > 1:07:51Olympian Jess Varnish is suing UK Sport and British Cycling.
1:07:51 > 1:07:55A source close to the sprinter has told BBC Sport her legal action
1:07:55 > 1:07:58is based on claims she suffered sex discrimination, detriment
1:07:58 > 1:08:01for whistleblowing, victimisation and unfair dismissal.
1:08:01 > 1:08:03Varnish was dropped from British Cycling's elite
1:08:03 > 1:08:05programme last year, after which former technical
1:08:05 > 1:08:07director Shane Sutton was found to have used sexist
1:08:07 > 1:08:12language towards her.
1:08:12 > 1:08:15Sutton resigned but was later cleared of eight
1:08:15 > 1:08:18out of nine allegations.
1:08:18 > 1:08:20That is all the sport for now.
1:08:20 > 1:08:23A decision in the appeal of a landmark case is due this
1:08:23 > 1:08:25morning which could have implications for more
1:08:25 > 1:08:30than a million workers.
1:08:30 > 1:08:37The cab-hailing company Uber appealed against a ruling that
1:08:37 > 1:08:41says its drivers are workers entitled to a range of benefits,
1:08:41 > 1:08:42including paid holidays and the national minimum wage,
1:08:42 > 1:08:44rather than self-employed.
1:08:44 > 1:08:46The case was originally brought to an employment tribunal by two
1:08:46 > 1:08:48of its drivers last year.
1:08:48 > 1:08:54It has implications for more than a million people employed
1:08:54 > 1:08:57in the so-called 'gig economy'.
1:08:57 > 1:08:59Uber maintains its drivers are independent contractors,
1:08:59 > 1:09:02and that the overwhelming majority want to keep the freedom
1:09:02 > 1:09:03of being their own boss.
1:09:03 > 1:09:06We first broke the news of a group of Uber drivers intention to take
1:09:06 > 1:09:08the company to court back in 2015.
1:09:08 > 1:09:11Here's a clip from Jim Reed's original report, where he spoke
1:09:11 > 1:09:14to James Farrar, one of the drivers who brought the case,
1:09:14 > 1:09:19and to one of Uber's bosses.
1:09:19 > 1:09:22My average net in July was three or five per hour,
1:09:22 > 1:09:23well below minimum wage.
1:09:23 > 1:09:26If you want to cover your costs and keep the family afloat,
1:09:26 > 1:09:28you have to work a lot of hours.
1:09:28 > 1:09:36But at the end of the day it is your choice?
1:09:36 > 1:09:46You can work for someone else, get another job?
1:09:53 > 1:09:55Yes, it's true, but Uber has come so aggressively
1:09:55 > 1:09:56into the marketplace, I think those opportunities
1:09:56 > 1:09:58to work for other operators are rapidly evaporating.
1:09:58 > 1:10:02James and the other drivers involved in the legal action say that the way
1:10:02 > 1:10:04that Uber operates means they are not really self-employed
1:10:04 > 1:10:06entrepreneurs at all, but working for the company
1:10:06 > 1:10:08so they should get the rights that go with that.
1:10:08 > 1:10:09Flexibility.
1:10:09 > 1:10:10Flexibility.
1:10:10 > 1:10:11Flexibility.
1:10:11 > 1:10:14Being able to log on and log off as I please.
1:10:14 > 1:10:15You can choose the hours.
1:10:15 > 1:10:19It is only a small number taking legal action and there are many
1:10:19 > 1:10:22happy Uber drivers, as the company points out in its marketing.
1:10:22 > 1:10:23You can work whenever you want.
1:10:23 > 1:10:25Money is going directly into my account.
1:10:25 > 1:10:27At Uber's new headquarters in a skyscraper in London,
1:10:27 > 1:10:30the boss says the new way of working is all about choice.
1:10:30 > 1:10:32Many of our drivers have moved from traditional jobs
1:10:32 > 1:10:34where they are required to work prescribed shifts and a certain
1:10:34 > 1:10:36number of hours per week.
1:10:36 > 1:10:37It was difficult to take time off.
1:10:37 > 1:10:40They have chosen to work with Uber because of that flexibility.
1:10:40 > 1:10:42The fact that you can work literally whenever you want,
1:10:42 > 1:10:44that is the flexibility that the majority of Uber
1:10:44 > 1:10:46drivers are looking for.
1:10:46 > 1:10:48Can't you have flexibility and have rights like holiday
1:10:48 > 1:10:50pay and minimum wage?
1:10:50 > 1:10:52Looking at what drivers take home is something
1:10:52 > 1:10:53we look at very carefully.
1:10:53 > 1:10:56What we find is that most of the drivers using the app take
1:10:56 > 1:11:06home round about £15 or £16 per hour.
1:11:07 > 1:11:11Their costs range considerably if they rent or if they own,
1:11:11 > 1:11:13as well as other factors.
1:11:13 > 1:11:15The majority of them are actually making around £10-£12 per hour.
1:11:15 > 1:11:16Even after those costs.
1:11:16 > 1:11:19Is there a danger here that Uber as a company wants
1:11:19 > 1:11:21to have its cake and eat it?
1:11:21 > 1:11:23You want to treat these drivers as self-employed entrepreneurs
1:11:23 > 1:11:25but on the other hand you want to tell them
1:11:25 > 1:11:26exactly what to do?
1:11:26 > 1:11:29Uber drivers are completely free to work whenever and wherever
1:11:29 > 1:11:32they want, so long as they live up to the quality standards
1:11:32 > 1:11:32on the platform.
1:11:32 > 1:11:36Earlier I spoke to James Farrar, the Uber driver who brought
1:11:36 > 1:11:40the drivers' rights case against the firm.
1:11:40 > 1:11:45Olivia Dobbie, a barrister and employment law
1:11:45 > 1:11:53specialist.
1:11:53 > 1:11:56And Emma, who drives for Uber and thinks the drivers should not be
1:11:56 > 1:11:57receiving employee benefits.
1:11:57 > 1:11:59James, you won the tribunal last year, how worried
1:11:59 > 1:12:01are you about the outcome of this appeal?
1:12:01 > 1:12:03Well, I am naturally concerned and anxious
1:12:03 > 1:12:04to hear what happens today.
1:12:04 > 1:12:05But in general, I am optimistic.
1:12:05 > 1:12:09I think the law is on our side and that justice is on our side.
1:12:09 > 1:12:12You have to be a little bit mad to take on a $70 billion corporation
1:12:12 > 1:12:15and we're very lucky to have the backing of our union,
1:12:15 > 1:12:16the IWGP, to do that.
1:12:16 > 1:12:20I think we're going to win, but we are against it.
1:12:20 > 1:12:22We're up against an army of lawyers and PR consultants,
1:12:22 > 1:12:24an army of lobbyists, but I think we will prevail
1:12:24 > 1:12:26because the law is on our side.
1:12:26 > 1:12:28You're one of two drivers who decided to take this
1:12:28 > 1:12:34action in the first place, taking on a company worth
1:12:34 > 1:12:37more than $60 billion - how confident were you at the time?
1:12:37 > 1:12:39The decision to take them on was over more
1:12:39 > 1:12:40direct matters at hand.
1:12:40 > 1:12:49Two things, really.
1:12:49 > 1:12:51Earnings - if you do the numbers for a second,
1:12:51 > 1:12:53Uber say that the top drivers, the top drivers,
1:12:53 > 1:12:55and they published this, earn £18 per hour.
1:12:55 > 1:12:58If you break that down after commission, it is 13.50 per hour.
1:12:58 > 1:13:02Every hour I work, Uber earns 4.50, no matter what.
1:13:02 > 1:13:12But, for me, that level of earnings comes out to £650 per week.
1:13:13 > 1:13:20I always have £400 a week to cover - 200-250 per week for the vehicle
1:13:20 > 1:13:22and insurance, and 200-250 for fuel.
1:13:22 > 1:13:24That leaves you earning about £5 per hour.
1:13:24 > 1:13:26What difference would it make if you were considered an employee
1:13:26 > 1:13:27instead of self-employed?
1:13:27 > 1:13:28I am self-employed.
1:13:28 > 1:13:30The case is not becoming an employee.
1:13:30 > 1:13:32It's about being a self-employed worker with special protections.
1:13:32 > 1:13:35To earn at least the minimum wage and to have holiday pay.
1:13:35 > 1:13:43That's the key distinction, isn't it?
1:13:43 > 1:13:46If you're an employee you get workers' rights like sick pay,
1:13:46 > 1:13:47holiday pay and the minimum wage.
1:13:47 > 1:13:54Emma, I want to bring you in.
1:13:54 > 1:13:57You're an Uber driver - do you not want to be
1:13:57 > 1:13:58paid minimum wage?
1:13:58 > 1:13:59Get sick pay and holiday pay?
1:13:59 > 1:14:01I earn more than minimum wage.
1:14:01 > 1:14:08I do earn about £18 per hour after they take commission.
1:14:08 > 1:14:10It is a pot luck thing, what jobs you get,
1:14:10 > 1:14:12but I kind of quite like that.
1:14:12 > 1:14:14Sometimes you get loads of little jobs and sometimes bigger jobs.
1:14:14 > 1:14:17I'm not really sure.
1:14:17 > 1:14:21I agree with so much of what James says, however I am quite happy
1:14:21 > 1:14:25to be self-employed.
1:14:25 > 1:14:35I pay £2 per week to have sickness benefits with
1:14:35 > 1:14:45a partner of Uber's, IPSE.
1:14:49 > 1:14:52I don't know what the advantage is with minimum wage.
1:14:52 > 1:14:58I don't really understand, to be honest.
1:14:58 > 1:15:01Olivia, what could this appeal be relevant to the gig
1:15:01 > 1:15:02economy, not just for Uber?
1:15:02 > 1:15:04Some confusion has come across in this panel
1:15:04 > 1:15:05even if I may say so.
1:15:05 > 1:15:08It is the distinction in law between a self-employed contractor,
1:15:08 > 1:15:10and employee, at one end of the spectrum, and this
1:15:10 > 1:15:12intermediate category of what we call a worker.
1:15:12 > 1:15:15The Uber decision that came out last year did not find that Uber
1:15:15 > 1:15:16drivers are employees.
1:15:16 > 1:15:18It was quite a striking finding.
1:15:18 > 1:15:20It simply found that the workers which is an intermediate category
1:15:20 > 1:15:23which means they are entitled to basic minimum floor
1:15:23 > 1:15:23of employee protection rights.
1:15:23 > 1:15:26Those rights include the right to paid holiday, minimum rest breaks
1:15:26 > 1:15:27and national minimum wage.
1:15:27 > 1:15:29How is that different to an employee?
1:15:29 > 1:15:31An employee has a higher level of protection.
1:15:31 > 1:15:33Unfair dismissal, protection against redundancy and other rights as well.
1:15:33 > 1:15:37If I can describe it as a spectrum, you have got a self-employed
1:15:37 > 1:15:40contracter at one end, entirely running their own business.
1:15:40 > 1:15:42You have got the employees at the other end who benefit
1:15:42 > 1:15:45from the full protection of rights, and workers in the middle
1:15:45 > 1:15:48who have a sort of minimum bundle of rights which includes minimum
1:15:48 > 1:15:49wage and paid time off for holiday.
1:15:49 > 1:15:52The decision last year did not mean that Uber drivers were entitled
1:15:52 > 1:15:54to protection for unfair dismissal or redundancy pay.
1:15:54 > 1:15:58It equally does not mean that Uber can control them day-to-day.
1:15:58 > 1:16:03As workers, they still retain a high degree of flexibility to reject
1:16:03 > 1:16:06work, not log on to the app if they don't want to,
1:16:06 > 1:16:11but, when they do, the time that they spent at work,
1:16:11 > 1:16:13they will be accruing pay for holiday, which they can
1:16:13 > 1:16:15take at a later date.
1:16:15 > 1:16:21I think confusion has arisen about the implication
1:16:21 > 1:16:23of the decisions last year and what they actually are.
1:16:23 > 1:16:26The appeal was held at the back end of September and the decision
1:16:26 > 1:16:27is coming out this morning.
1:16:27 > 1:16:30That was Uber challenging the findings that drivers are workers.
1:16:30 > 1:16:31Why?
1:16:31 > 1:16:37There is a cost for Uber.
1:16:37 > 1:16:40If they have to pay holiday pay, that is going to increase the costs
1:16:40 > 1:16:44of what they have to pay drivers.
1:16:44 > 1:16:47There will be a physical cost in monetary terms but also
1:16:47 > 1:16:50an administrative cost trying to work out what holiday to pay each
1:16:50 > 1:16:52worker and then to pay that holiday.
1:16:52 > 1:16:55There is a clear business reason why they would not want to do that.
1:16:55 > 1:16:57I can only think that is the prime reason.
1:16:57 > 1:17:00I understand that Uber has suggested that a majority
1:17:00 > 1:17:02if not all of their drivers get minimum wage anyway.
1:17:02 > 1:17:04I don't know how accurate that is because I have
1:17:04 > 1:17:06not looked at the data.
1:17:06 > 1:17:08But I understand that some people challenge that.
1:17:08 > 1:17:10If that is the case then additional cost is required
1:17:10 > 1:17:21to guarantee minimum wage.
1:17:21 > 1:17:23Which way do you think the appeal will go?
1:17:23 > 1:17:25I would be surprised if Uber were successful.
1:17:25 > 1:17:28I say that because there seems to be a trend of cases coming
1:17:28 > 1:17:34through at the moment with similar scenarios where workers
1:17:34 > 1:17:37in the gig economy, couriers, drivers and delivery people,
1:17:37 > 1:17:39for example, are being recognised as having a basic minimum floor
1:17:39 > 1:17:40of employment rights.
1:17:40 > 1:17:41Being workers in law.
1:17:41 > 1:17:43I would be quite surprised if Uber succeed.
1:17:43 > 1:17:46If they failed, what will the implications be for other
1:17:46 > 1:17:52workers working in the gig economy?
1:17:52 > 1:17:54Any legal decision is about the people that
1:17:54 > 1:17:55brought the decision.
1:17:55 > 1:17:59It is going to be exclusive to the claimants in that case.
1:17:59 > 1:18:02It will have a wider political impact, perhaps,
1:18:02 > 1:18:05we might get other companies recognising that the way
1:18:05 > 1:18:09that they run the platform is similar to what we have in Uber
1:18:09 > 1:18:15so they might start to choose to give their workers,
1:18:15 > 1:18:17identifying them as workers and giving them employment
1:18:17 > 1:18:18protection rights.
1:18:18 > 1:18:21It is ultimately only about those that brought the case
1:18:21 > 1:18:23and the decision is only binding on those.
1:18:23 > 1:18:26Emma, we have some context from Olivia.
1:18:26 > 1:18:28If, as Olivia says, you can still choose when you work
1:18:28 > 1:18:31and which jobs to accept but you also get the benefits
1:18:31 > 1:18:34of things like sick pay and a guarantee for your wages,
1:18:34 > 1:18:38what is the harm in that?
1:18:38 > 1:18:43I think I would be tied in more.
1:18:43 > 1:18:48There are other platforms out there, other companies that you can work
1:18:48 > 1:18:51for where you can get some regular routine, know what you are getting.
1:18:51 > 1:18:55That is not what I signed up to Uber for.
1:18:55 > 1:18:59I understood what I was signing for.
1:18:59 > 1:19:01It was attractive to me because I did not know
1:19:01 > 1:19:06where I was going when I picked up a passenger.
1:19:06 > 1:19:10It was quite an adventure.
1:19:10 > 1:19:11I like people, I like driving.
1:19:11 > 1:19:13I am not sure of the advantages.
1:19:13 > 1:19:22I am not really understanding what those are.
1:19:22 > 1:19:25Even with this whole wonderful explanation,
1:19:25 > 1:19:28I just feel that I would be tied in more and the impact of greater
1:19:28 > 1:19:32administration costs is going to, I feel,
1:19:32 > 1:19:35come back on us, or the passengers at some point, somehow.
1:19:35 > 1:19:37James, can you understand how Emma feels?
1:19:37 > 1:19:40I can.
1:19:40 > 1:19:48But let me tell you a different story.
1:19:48 > 1:19:50One of the co-claimants, a good friend of mine,
1:19:50 > 1:19:53involved in this case, has a child who is very sick and is
1:19:53 > 1:19:54in Great Ormond Street Hospital.
1:19:54 > 1:19:55The family is almost residential there.
1:19:55 > 1:19:57This is during the child's illness.
1:19:57 > 1:20:00He has to make the payments on his vehicle every week
1:20:00 > 1:20:01whether he is working or not.
1:20:01 > 1:20:04For him to have paid holidays, for him to be guaranteed the minimum
1:20:04 > 1:20:07wage when he does work, would mean so much for that family
1:20:07 > 1:20:09in terms of social security and security for that family.
1:20:09 > 1:20:13I can understand that Emma might not want these rights but other people
1:20:13 > 1:20:14desperately need them.
1:20:14 > 1:20:18What about the impact on prices?
1:20:18 > 1:20:24When you talk about the business model, if Uber is going to have
1:20:24 > 1:20:27to pay more to cover those extra things, it probably would
1:20:27 > 1:20:29have the knock-on effect of driving up the costs
1:20:29 > 1:20:33and prices for customers?
1:20:33 > 1:20:38I think that is likely.
1:20:38 > 1:20:41I do not know how they will manage to subsume the cost
1:20:41 > 1:20:42in the business model.
1:20:42 > 1:20:45It may be that they take slightly less profit in order to cover
1:20:45 > 1:20:46the costs themselves.
1:20:46 > 1:20:48I anticipate there will have to be an increase in
1:20:48 > 1:20:52price for the customer.
1:20:52 > 1:20:57In reality, some analysis has been done.
1:20:57 > 1:20:59At present fares the customer is only paying about
1:20:59 > 1:21:0060% of the true cost.
1:21:00 > 1:21:04The reality is that there has been a lot of venture capital money put
1:21:04 > 1:21:06into this for companies like Uber to literally acquire the market,
1:21:06 > 1:21:08through referral bonuses and so on.
1:21:08 > 1:21:16The fares are unrealistically low at the moment.
1:21:16 > 1:21:21If you are used to paying a fiver to get from A to B they are not
1:21:21 > 1:21:22going to want to pay more.
1:21:22 > 1:21:23That is true.
1:21:23 > 1:21:26The problem is that the bus ridership is at the lowest it has
1:21:26 > 1:21:27been in London for ten years.
1:21:27 > 1:21:30We are pulling people off the public transportation system.
1:21:30 > 1:21:31Congestion is up.
1:21:31 > 1:21:33Air quality is the worst it has been in London.
1:21:33 > 1:21:35We can't run a public transportation system...
1:21:35 > 1:21:38Do you think the public would be willing to pay more
1:21:38 > 1:21:40if they knew it meant better rights for workers?
1:21:40 > 1:21:43I am certain they would.
1:21:43 > 1:21:46Where to begin.
1:21:46 > 1:21:48There is a reason why the buses are empty.
1:21:48 > 1:21:50Woman, contrary to the aggressive attacks by London cabs
1:21:50 > 1:21:53at the moment against Uber, women feel safer in Ubers.
1:21:53 > 1:21:57Not on public transport.
1:21:57 > 1:21:59There is no protection for some public transport.
1:21:59 > 1:22:02You can get assaulted on buses and trains.
1:22:02 > 1:22:05TfL are not addressing that.
1:22:05 > 1:22:08That is in your opinion because we cannot speak for all women.
1:22:08 > 1:22:11Listening to a lot of women, talking to a lot of women,
1:22:11 > 1:22:13I have lots of passengers talking to me about it.
1:22:13 > 1:22:23I feel very strongly about it.
1:22:24 > 1:22:27I have been supported through all my work at Grenfell over
1:22:27 > 1:22:28the last five and a half months.
1:22:28 > 1:22:31I look to self-employment and being supported by Uber
1:22:31 > 1:22:36which they have done amazingly as well as you telling the story,
1:22:36 > 1:22:39I am sorry to hear about that driver with the children in Great
1:22:39 > 1:22:40Ormond Street Hospital.
1:22:40 > 1:22:42We are all working against something.
1:22:42 > 1:22:45I haven't found fault with Uber in the support they have given me.
1:22:45 > 1:22:47And the car company that I rent from.
1:22:47 > 1:22:50Thank you very much indeed.
1:22:50 > 1:22:55Still to come...
1:22:55 > 1:22:58Would you send Facebook your naked photographs if it meant they could
1:22:58 > 1:23:05be blocked from being uploaded as revenge pawn? We're looking at a
1:23:05 > 1:23:08pilot in Australia.
1:23:08 > 1:23:11He thought he was being fast-tracked to a career as a Chief Constable,
1:23:11 > 1:23:13but instead, Mark Dias, an Asian officer working
1:23:13 > 1:23:14for Cleveland Police was systematically bullied
1:23:14 > 1:23:15by the force.
1:23:15 > 1:23:17This week, he was awarded half-a-million pounds
1:23:17 > 1:23:19in compensation, after his own colleagues spied on him
1:23:19 > 1:23:21and eventually tried to bring criminal charges against him.
1:23:21 > 1:23:23Why?
1:23:23 > 1:23:25Because he blew the whistle on what he believed we elements
1:23:25 > 1:23:27of institutionalized racism within the force.
1:23:27 > 1:23:30Earlier I spoke to Mark and asked him what happened
1:23:30 > 1:23:37when he was in the force.
1:23:37 > 1:23:40We started to see certain sets of conduct around Asian officers,
1:23:40 > 1:23:42specifically it was emanating from the professional
1:23:42 > 1:23:45standards department.
1:23:45 > 1:23:50What was happening was if officers complained about racial
1:23:50 > 1:23:52discrimination, all of a sudden fabricated investigations
1:23:52 > 1:23:54were being made against them.
1:23:54 > 1:24:00And we complained about that.
1:24:00 > 1:24:04In 2010 I became the enemy, I became the target of their venom and became
1:24:04 > 1:24:07part of their investigation track, and I was put under criminal
1:24:07 > 1:24:11investigation for whistle-blowing about institutional racism.
1:24:11 > 1:24:16You talk about conduct, you talk about institutional racism,
1:24:16 > 1:24:18without using any offensive terms, can you give me some concrete
1:24:18 > 1:24:23examples of the type of behaviour you witnessed?
1:24:23 > 1:24:29Asian officers would be subject to fabricated
1:24:29 > 1:24:33internal investigations, conduct investigations and criminal
1:24:33 > 1:24:36investigations by the professional standards department,
1:24:36 > 1:24:39which was known by the legal department as well.
1:24:39 > 1:24:42Asian officers would be watched, they would be put under
1:24:42 > 1:24:45internal surveillance.
1:24:45 > 1:24:49Asian officers would be given jobs which were impossible to complete.
1:24:49 > 1:24:54Asian officers would be placed on one shift so that they could be
1:24:54 > 1:24:56watched en masse, rather than being distributed
1:24:56 > 1:25:01across the district.
1:25:01 > 1:25:06Those are just some examples that come to mind of the kind of conduct
1:25:06 > 1:25:11that we were experiencing.
1:25:11 > 1:25:12You talk about, Mark, "they".
1:25:12 > 1:25:13What about you?
1:25:13 > 1:25:17I pretty much suffered as well.
1:25:17 > 1:25:20I was given work that was impossible to do, and impossible not just
1:25:20 > 1:25:23because of my own reference but because other people were
1:25:23 > 1:25:26telling me it was impossible to do.
1:25:26 > 1:25:28I was placed on a shift in Middlesbrough with every
1:25:28 > 1:25:31other Asian officer within the response units.
1:25:31 > 1:25:33What does that mean?
1:25:33 > 1:25:34What did that mean?
1:25:34 > 1:25:38Why was that significant?
1:25:38 > 1:25:40So you had around about five Asian officers in the Middlesbrough
1:25:40 > 1:25:42district at one time.
1:25:42 > 1:25:45And all of those Asian officers were put on one
1:25:45 > 1:25:50shift in Middlesbrough so that they could be watched.
1:25:50 > 1:25:55So you had a situation where a particular shift had 25%
1:25:55 > 1:25:57constitution of Asian officers, and no other Asian officer
1:25:57 > 1:26:00was on any other shift in the Middlesbrough district
1:26:00 > 1:26:01at that time.
1:26:01 > 1:26:06So you're talking about and giving us examples of how you were treated
1:26:06 > 1:26:10by your superiors, people in positions of power over you.
1:26:10 > 1:26:12How were you treated by people on your same level
1:26:12 > 1:26:15or a level below you?
1:26:15 > 1:26:21Oh, with the greatest level of support, in the main.
1:26:21 > 1:26:25People who worked with me, people who supported me actually
1:26:25 > 1:26:28were victimised themselves because of their support, not only
1:26:28 > 1:26:31for me but for other Asian officers.
1:26:31 > 1:26:34In particular the Police Federation, who supported us in Cleveland,
1:26:34 > 1:26:37were all targeted for unlawful investigations because of their
1:26:37 > 1:26:39support for Asian officers.
1:26:39 > 1:26:43Given what you've talked about, the experiences you went through,
1:26:43 > 1:26:46how you say Asian officers were treated, why did you then
1:26:46 > 1:26:51decide to go public?
1:26:51 > 1:26:53In February 2012 the then-Chief Constable Jacqui Cheer admitted
1:26:53 > 1:26:58there was institutional racism in Cleveland Police.
1:26:58 > 1:27:01But in April of that year another Chief Constable actually stated that
1:27:01 > 1:27:06no racism existed in Cleveland Police.
1:27:06 > 1:27:08My challenge publicly, I did this at that time anonymously,
1:27:08 > 1:27:14was to say that that statement was incorrect.
1:27:14 > 1:27:19You were illegally monitored.
1:27:19 > 1:27:21How did you find out - what happened?
1:27:21 > 1:27:25We heard that there had been surveillance, but we had no proof.
1:27:25 > 1:27:27So I conducted an investigation into Cleveland Police
1:27:27 > 1:27:32from outside the police service.
1:27:32 > 1:27:34Hang on, you say you'd heard there'd been surveillance.
1:27:34 > 1:27:36That is shocking to hear.
1:27:36 > 1:27:39So you'd heard that, what, your phone was being tapped?
1:27:39 > 1:27:42We'd heard that there was a lot more surveillance than just the phone.
1:27:42 > 1:27:44We'd heard that Asian officers had been put under
1:27:44 > 1:27:45intrusive surveillance.
1:27:45 > 1:27:49Their homes, their cars and also their telephones.
1:27:49 > 1:27:54It turns out for me it was just my telephone.
1:27:54 > 1:27:57And we'd heard that information, so we'd used that and started
1:27:57 > 1:27:59an investigation against Cleveland Police.
1:27:59 > 1:28:01You...
1:28:01 > 1:28:04I know you can't talk about the settlement,
1:28:04 > 1:28:07but this has been settled, nine years after you left.
1:28:07 > 1:28:16How has this affected you in that time?
1:28:16 > 1:28:20So it's five years since I left...
1:28:20 > 1:28:22Five years since you left.
1:28:22 > 1:28:28It's been consuming, working and also trying to manage
1:28:28 > 1:28:30an investigation against a police force, developing litigation that
1:28:30 > 1:28:34you had to be sure was going to be successful and being able
1:28:34 > 1:28:35to navigate all that process whilst being excluded
1:28:35 > 1:28:38from the police service.
1:28:38 > 1:28:40But as well it's been very difficult, it's been very hard,
1:28:40 > 1:28:44but I think now we're in a position where it was worth it
1:28:44 > 1:28:46and we've actually got to a point of resolution.
1:28:46 > 1:28:49Do you think the police force has changed in that time,
1:28:49 > 1:28:54including Cleveland Police?
1:28:54 > 1:28:59I don't think Cleveland Police is an example of the police service,
1:28:59 > 1:29:01and everywhere that I worked within the police service
1:29:01 > 1:29:03would say that Cleveland Police is very unique.
1:29:03 > 1:29:08And it has a legacy of which it has not been able to evolve from.
1:29:08 > 1:29:11From my view in Cleveland Police, there is a lot of talk about change,
1:29:11 > 1:29:14but fundamentally the wrongdoers, those people identified
1:29:14 > 1:29:16of wrongdoing in Cleveland Police, have not been dealt with.
1:29:16 > 1:29:24And that's still the same today.
1:29:24 > 1:29:26Chief Constable Iain Spittal says what happened to
1:29:26 > 1:29:28you up to 2013 doesn't reflect the positive
1:29:28 > 1:29:30and professional organisational behaviours of 2017.
1:29:30 > 1:29:32He's also said that Cleveland Police has moved forward significantly.
1:29:32 > 1:29:34So you're saying you disagree with that?
1:29:34 > 1:29:38I can only talk...
1:29:38 > 1:29:41I'm not in Cleveland Police today, so I can talk about what I can see,
1:29:41 > 1:29:44and I can see that those people who have done wrong,
1:29:44 > 1:29:46those people who should be investigated, have not been
1:29:46 > 1:29:48investigated or dealt with.
1:29:48 > 1:29:53What would your message be to them now?
1:29:53 > 1:29:57I think those people need to be aware that this process are dealing
1:29:57 > 1:30:00I think those people need to be aware that this process of dealing
1:30:00 > 1:30:02with those wrongdoers is not over with, and we will continue
1:30:02 > 1:30:04until we get justice.
1:30:04 > 1:30:06Chief Constable Iain Spittal sent us a statement.
1:30:06 > 1:30:08He said...
1:30:13 > 1:30:16"The matters settled with Mr Dias relate to things
1:30:16 > 1:30:17which occurred up to January 2013.
1:30:17 > 1:30:19They are not reflective of the positive and professional
1:30:19 > 1:30:21organisational behaviours present in the Force today.
1:30:21 > 1:30:23Cleveland Police has moved forwards significantly.Along with the PCC,
1:30:23 > 1:30:25I have led a programme of work called Everyone Matters.
1:30:25 > 1:30:28People tell me from within and outside the organisation
1:30:28 > 1:30:31that this is having a strong and long-lasting impact.
1:30:31 > 1:30:35Over the years that I have worked with Cleveland Police,
1:30:35 > 1:30:41I have seen more officers achieve promotion and advancement
1:30:41 > 1:30:43from under-represented groups.
1:30:47 > 1:30:48Still to come...
1:30:48 > 1:30:51A 14-year-old boy who sent a naked picture of himself to a girl
1:30:51 > 1:30:54at school has been put on a police database for the crime
1:30:54 > 1:30:56of making and distributing indecent images of a child.
1:30:56 > 1:31:03We'll look at the legal challenge to get this record deleted.
1:31:03 > 1:31:09Saturn and Spanghero's memoir, The Top, is about to hit our screens, we
1:31:09 > 1:31:16will speak to the actor playing the lead role.
1:31:16 > 1:31:18Time for the latest news - here's Rachel Schofield.
1:31:18 > 1:31:19The headlines from BBC News...
1:31:19 > 1:31:21Theresa May has warned pro-EU Conservatives that she will not
1:31:21 > 1:31:23tolerate any attempts to block the Brexit process.
1:31:23 > 1:31:27In a sign of her intent, she's outlined plans to enshrine
1:31:27 > 1:31:30in law the exact moment that Britain will leave the European Union -
1:31:30 > 1:31:3511pm on 29th March, 2019.
1:31:35 > 1:31:43But the man responsible for writing the Article 50 withdrawal process,
1:31:43 > 1:31:47cross-bench peer Lord Kerr, says Brexit could still be reversed.
1:31:47 > 1:31:51A new study is recommending that women who have had the HPV vaccine
1:31:51 > 1:31:55only need to have three smear tests during their life, rather than
1:31:55 > 1:32:00the 12 they're currently offered.
1:32:00 > 1:32:06The vaccine, which helps prevent against cervical cancer,
1:32:06 > 1:32:14has been given to girls aged 11 to 13 since 2008.
1:32:14 > 1:32:17The study, funded by Cancer Research UK, comes ahead of proposed changed
1:32:17 > 1:32:19to the NHS cervical cancer screening programme due to come in 2019.
1:32:19 > 1:32:22Cancer Research UK's Nicola Smith told this programme why some
1:32:22 > 1:32:24screening is still important.
1:32:24 > 1:32:29The HPV vaccine only protects about 70% of infections with HBV says that
1:32:29 > 1:32:32is why it is important that these girls still have some smears,
1:32:32 > 1:32:37because there is still a chance that they will get the other HPV types we
1:32:37 > 1:32:39are not protecting against.
1:32:39 > 1:32:42Donald Trump has told Asia and Pacific leaders America will no
1:32:42 > 1:32:44longer tolerate what he calls chronic trade abuses.
1:32:44 > 1:32:46The US President is in Vietnam at the Asia-Pacific Economic
1:32:46 > 1:32:56Co-operation summit.
1:32:57 > 1:33:00During a hard-hitting speech, he said America was prepared to work
1:33:00 > 1:33:02with countries in the region, provided they abide
1:33:02 > 1:33:04by what he called "fair and reciprocal trade".
1:33:04 > 1:33:06Facebook's founding president has said he's worried about the effect
1:33:06 > 1:33:13the site is having on society.
1:33:13 > 1:33:15Sean Parker, who says he no longer uses social media,
1:33:15 > 1:33:17said the network was built on "exploiting a vulnerability
1:33:17 > 1:33:19in human psychology", and he was concerned
1:33:19 > 1:33:27about what it was "doing to children's brains".
1:33:27 > 1:33:29That's a summary of the latest BBC News.
1:33:29 > 1:33:35Let's get the sport now with Damian.
1:33:35 > 1:33:38Northern Ireland's Cory Evans says it was a disgrace to award a
1:33:38 > 1:33:40handball against which led to Northern Ireland's defeat in their
1:33:40 > 1:33:47World Cup play-off to Switzerland. He was adjudged to have handled in
1:33:47 > 1:33:51the area and Ricardo Rodriguez gave the Swiss a precious lead to take
1:33:51 > 1:33:54into Sunday's second leg.
1:33:54 > 1:33:56The players of both England and Germany will wear black armbands
1:33:56 > 1:33:59with poppies for tonight's friendly at Wembley in remebrance of fallen
1:33:59 > 1:34:01servicemen and women, after Fifa agreed to change
1:34:01 > 1:34:08to its rules.
1:34:08 > 1:34:11England's women have taken a fifth wicket as they try to bowl out
1:34:11 > 1:34:14the Australians on day two of the one-off Ashes Test in Sydney.
1:34:14 > 1:34:16It's a must-win game for England and they're currently going well
1:34:16 > 1:34:18in the final session of the day.
1:34:18 > 1:34:21And Olympian Jess Varnish is suing UK Sport and British Cycling.
1:34:21 > 1:34:24A source close to the sprinter has told BBC Sport her legal action
1:34:24 > 1:34:26is based on claims she suffered sex discrimination, detriment
1:34:26 > 1:34:29for whistleblowing, victimisation and unfair dismissal.
1:34:29 > 1:34:36That is all Gosport Borough now. -- all the sport for now.
1:34:36 > 1:34:39When a 14-year-old boy sent a naked picture of himself
1:34:39 > 1:34:41to a girl at school, he wasn't charged by
1:34:41 > 1:34:43Greater Manchester Police, but they put his name on the police
1:34:43 > 1:34:46intelligence database alongside the crime of making and distributing
1:34:46 > 1:34:47indecent images of a child.
1:34:47 > 1:34:50It will stay on file for 10 years unless the High Court rules,
1:34:50 > 1:34:52in a case being heard today, that it should be deleted.
1:34:52 > 1:34:57Let's get more from our home affairs correspondent Danny Shaw.
1:34:57 > 1:35:00Good morning to you, what more can you tell us?
1:35:00 > 1:35:04This is an important case that will resonate with a lot of people who
1:35:04 > 1:35:09have issues perhaps about their teenagers so-called sexting people.
1:35:09 > 1:35:13This 14-year-old boy sent this image on Snapchat thinking it would be
1:35:13 > 1:35:18automatically deleted, it wasn't, it was saved by the girl he sent it to,
1:35:18 > 1:35:22she then shared it with other people. The police got involved,
1:35:22 > 1:35:26they didn't charge or prosecute him but they did put it on their
1:35:26 > 1:35:29intelligence database and it is recorded under a section called
1:35:29 > 1:35:34obscene publications and it has his name on there, and the concern of
1:35:34 > 1:35:37the boy's mother is that, should he go for a job for example working
1:35:37 > 1:35:41with children as a teacher or working with vulnerable adults, the
1:35:41 > 1:35:44police may have to disclose that to a future employer which could in
1:35:44 > 1:35:50effect bar him from getting work. She wants these details about him
1:35:50 > 1:35:54removed from the database. Greater Manchester Police has refused to do
1:35:54 > 1:35:58so, our understanding is it could be kept until he is 100 years old, not
1:35:58 > 1:36:02just ten years but effectively in perpetuity so she is extremely
1:36:02 > 1:36:06concerned and is taking the case this morning to the High Court at
1:36:06 > 1:36:10Manchester to try and argue that Greater Manchester Police's decision
1:36:10 > 1:36:15needs to be reversed. Their argument is, as far as I understand it, that
1:36:15 > 1:36:20they are entitled to keep it on the database and any decision they make
1:36:20 > 1:36:23about disclosing it in the future will be very carefully balanced
1:36:23 > 1:36:29looking at the risks the individual post as against the risks to him of
1:36:29 > 1:36:32disclosure. OK, thank you very much indeed.
1:36:32 > 1:36:39We have some breaking news to bring you. The taxi firm Uber has lost its
1:36:39 > 1:36:45appeal against a ruling on the employment rights of drivers. We
1:36:45 > 1:36:52were speaking earlier to one of the drivers who was involved in the
1:36:52 > 1:36:56case, James Farra, who won his tribunal, Uber appealed the decision
1:36:56 > 1:37:02and we have heard that they have lost the appeal against the ruling
1:37:02 > 1:37:07to do with the rights of drivers. We should be able to speak to Simon
1:37:07 > 1:37:10Gompers at the High Court later who will be able to tell us more about
1:37:10 > 1:37:14what has happened and what it could mean not only for Bluebird drivers
1:37:14 > 1:37:22but for the gig economy in general. -- not only for Uber drivers.
1:37:22 > 1:37:25A new scheme to try an combat so called revenge porn
1:37:25 > 1:37:26is being trialled in Australia.
1:37:26 > 1:37:28It would mean humans, rather than computer algorithms,
1:37:28 > 1:37:34viewing naked images that are voluntarily sent to Facebook.
1:37:34 > 1:37:37The photograph would then have its "fingerprint" taken so it
1:37:37 > 1:37:46couldn't be uploaded again by disgruntled ex-lovers.
1:37:46 > 1:37:49Facebook said in a statement one of the hopes for this pilot
1:37:49 > 1:37:52is to test an emergency option for people to provide a photo
1:37:52 > 1:37:54proactively to Facebook, so it never gets shared
1:37:54 > 1:37:55in the first place.
1:37:55 > 1:37:57"It's a protective measure that can help prevent a much worse
1:37:57 > 1:37:59scenario where an image is shared more widely.
1:37:59 > 1:38:02We don't want Facebook to be a place where people fear their intimate
1:38:02 > 1:38:09images will be shared without their consent."
1:38:09 > 1:38:11Let's talk to Laura Higgins who runs a helpline
1:38:11 > 1:38:15for victims of revenge porn.
1:38:15 > 1:38:21And also to Fevzi Turkalp, who is a social media expert.
1:38:21 > 1:38:27He also does weekly podcasts. Thank you both for joining us. Laura, what
1:38:27 > 1:38:34is your response to this pilot scheme in Australia?We think it is
1:38:34 > 1:38:37a fantastic initiative, anything that gives a bit of control back to
1:38:37 > 1:38:40victims, where they can take proactive measures to try and tackle
1:38:40 > 1:38:46it, is a positive thing.You say it is positive but this involves people
1:38:46 > 1:38:50who have nude photographs, if it was you, a nude photograph, you would
1:38:50 > 1:38:54then send it pre-emptively to Facebook, for example, another human
1:38:54 > 1:38:58being who you don't know would look at the photograph and, I suppose,
1:38:58 > 1:39:03give it a fingerprint which means that it can't then be shared
1:39:03 > 1:39:07publicly after that, that is my understanding?Yes, they already
1:39:07 > 1:39:13have a database of hashed images where organisations like mine have
1:39:13 > 1:39:16supported people, we have given them the image, said this is already
1:39:16 > 1:39:20happening to prevent it being reuploaded. This is just trying to
1:39:20 > 1:39:24prevent it being uploaded in the first place. I know people have an
1:39:24 > 1:39:27issue about having a human involved but there are no technical solutions
1:39:27 > 1:39:33that can take that out, there needs to be somebody in that position, but
1:39:33 > 1:39:36they are specially trained, working with our organisations to make sure
1:39:36 > 1:39:48it is as safe as possible.Is that
1:39:56 > 1:39:58the best way to deal with this problem? It is a brand-new project,
1:39:58 > 1:40:01it has never been done before. Certainly it puts them steps ahead
1:40:01 > 1:40:03of other social networks are currently don't have anything, so I
1:40:03 > 1:40:05think anything we do as a step forward is positive. Obviously it
1:40:05 > 1:40:08remains to be seen how positive it is with people in the pilot. Fevzi,
1:40:08 > 1:40:11do you think, if this does come in, it is likely people will take up
1:40:11 > 1:40:14Facebook on this other?I think some well but I doubt very many would do
1:40:14 > 1:40:17that because it will involve a degree of trust, human being looking
1:40:17 > 1:40:19at the image, you will have to trust that no-one misbehaves and stores
1:40:19 > 1:40:22those themselves. But even if they do, if they do do it, there is the
1:40:22 > 1:40:25issue of how effective this will be. They use a lot of intelligent
1:40:25 > 1:40:28software to scan the image and produce a digital fingerprint of the
1:40:28 > 1:40:32image which means nothing matching the fingerprint should be able to be
1:40:32 > 1:40:35uploaded but the problem with that if there are a myriad ways of
1:40:35 > 1:40:41altering images so that it could trick, at the moment, even the best
1:40:41 > 1:40:44artificial intelligence programmes. We see examples of that with
1:40:44 > 1:40:50YouTube, where they try to prevent copyrighted material from being
1:40:50 > 1:40:53uploaded and you see all sorts of tricks on videos from YouTube to try
1:40:53 > 1:40:56to make it look like a different video, even though a human being
1:40:56 > 1:41:01will see it as being the same.So what you are saying is people who
1:41:01 > 1:41:05have the same photograph could tweak it slightly and potentially would be
1:41:05 > 1:41:11able to post the same photograph, virtually, online anyway?Yes, it
1:41:11 > 1:41:16depends on how smart the artificial intelligence software is, but at the
1:41:16 > 1:41:19moment it is possible to call any artificial intelligence. It makes it
1:41:19 > 1:41:23a bit harder, but I think that, combined with the fact that people
1:41:23 > 1:41:27who are worried would have to have those images in their position
1:41:27 > 1:41:32already, which they won't always do, and then be willing to take the risk
1:41:32 > 1:41:39of forwarding it to Facebook and all others on the risk that, because a
1:41:39 > 1:41:41relationship has broken down and they were read, so they have to
1:41:41 > 1:41:45balance this in their mind between sharing the image themselves and
1:41:45 > 1:41:50hoping it does not get shared by their ex-partner.Laura, you run a
1:41:50 > 1:41:54helpline for victims of revenge porn, how big a problem is it?Since
1:41:54 > 1:41:59we launched we have had over 7000 calls to our helpline, it is a
1:41:59 > 1:42:02significant issue and the threat to post images can be just as
1:42:02 > 1:42:06detrimental as people actually doing it, so I think this is positive and
1:42:06 > 1:42:09we do welcome it.Do you think other platforms will follow if this is
1:42:09 > 1:42:16successful?I would really like to see that. This is a brand-new thing,
1:42:16 > 1:42:20quite ground-breaking. Hopefully it will have some effect, it will be a
1:42:20 > 1:42:23deterrent perhaps for people and make it harder to upload and
1:42:23 > 1:42:27certainly we would love to see the technology rolled out much more
1:42:27 > 1:42:31widely.Fevzi, do you think, realistically, this could become one
1:42:31 > 1:42:36of the solutions for dealing with revenge porn?I think it can become
1:42:36 > 1:42:40part of the solution. Once a digital fingerprint has been created then it
1:42:40 > 1:42:51should be possible to share
1:42:56 > 1:42:58that social media platform so that an individual doesn't have to
1:42:58 > 1:43:00register their image with multiple organisations, perhaps a single
1:43:00 > 1:43:02truly independent organisation produces the hashes and provided to
1:43:02 > 1:43:04the social media platforms would be a better solution.OK, thank you
1:43:04 > 1:43:14both.
1:43:15 > 1:43:16Joe Fox went from being homeless,
1:43:16 > 1:43:18to a fluke meeting with American rapper A$AP Rocky
1:43:18 > 1:43:20while busking in London.
1:43:20 > 1:43:22He then became Rocky's main collaborator, featuring five times
1:43:22 > 1:43:23on his latest number one album.
1:43:23 > 1:43:26We caught up with him before a "Shelter from the Storm"
1:43:26 > 1:43:27gig for the homeless.
1:43:27 > 1:43:28Is this coming well?
1:43:42 > 1:43:46Working-class background, didn't know my dad, I had one half sister,
1:43:46 > 1:43:58single-parent family. If you are into music and have no support from
1:43:58 > 1:44:02your family it is hard to pay for it all. I was in bands but it is beg,
1:44:02 > 1:44:08steal or borrow. I am not a great criminal so I had to Busk and sell
1:44:08 > 1:44:14CDs and all sorts. London is crazy expensive to live in so when I met
1:44:14 > 1:44:29Rocky immediately let me stay in his hotel.
1:44:29 > 1:44:31I'd just tried to connect with my family, and they
1:44:31 > 1:44:32didn't want to know.
1:44:32 > 1:44:34Yeah, I was lucky to meet him when I did.
1:44:34 > 1:44:37I didn't know who he was, I knew the name A$AP.
1:44:37 > 1:44:40I just tried to sell him a CD, like I was doing
1:44:40 > 1:44:41at the time, you know?
1:44:41 > 1:44:43We went down into the studio.
1:44:43 > 1:44:45The first song I played it was Listen Up Katie.
1:44:45 > 1:44:48And I played him a song called Welcome to the Ghetto,
1:44:48 > 1:44:51and Head Down Low and he was just saying "Are these your songs?
1:44:51 > 1:44:52Are these your songs?"
1:44:52 > 1:44:54And I said, "Yeah, these are my songs."
1:44:54 > 1:45:01And that was it, really.
1:45:01 > 1:45:05# I want a melody to save this soul.
1:45:05 > 1:45:08# I want a feeling that I used to know.
1:45:08 > 1:45:09When I was homeless, it was...
1:45:09 > 1:45:10I was never...
1:45:10 > 1:45:12Never knew about places like this.
1:45:12 > 1:45:14But I think it's amazing.
1:45:14 > 1:45:17Sometimes I think that a performer is only as good as his crowd.
1:45:17 > 1:45:19Hopefully everyone will know where I'm coming from.
1:45:19 > 1:45:21I just want to play the songs, man.
1:45:21 > 1:45:24I've got a really good band, I've got an amazing team,
1:45:24 > 1:45:27I love everyone at my label.
1:45:27 > 1:45:29Yeah, I just want to keep writing songs, you know?
1:45:29 > 1:45:32Thank you.
1:45:32 > 1:45:41APPLAUSE.
1:45:41 > 1:45:43The judgement in the Uber tribunal has just come in.
1:45:43 > 1:45:47The company has lost their appeal.
1:45:47 > 1:45:51That's against an earlier ruling that was made last year that
1:45:51 > 1:45:51That's against an earlier ruling that was made last year that it
1:45:51 > 1:45:55should treat its drivers as workers rather than self-employed
1:45:55 > 1:46:00independent contractors. Uber has lost that appeal. They are expected
1:46:00 > 1:46:04to pursue a further appeal, possibly to the Supreme Court. We will bring
1:46:04 > 1:46:08you more on that story when we have it.
1:46:08 > 1:46:14Women vaccinated against human papilloma virus, or HPV,
1:46:14 > 1:46:16which is thought to cause about 99% of cervical cancers,
1:46:16 > 1:46:18may only need three smear tests in their lifetime,
1:46:18 > 1:46:20a new study has suggested.
1:46:20 > 1:46:23Since 2008, the HPV vaccine has been offered to girls aged 11 to 13
1:46:23 > 1:46:25and reported cases have fallen sharply since then.
1:46:25 > 1:46:27A team from Queen Mary University of London found that
1:46:27 > 1:46:30screenings at age 30, 40 and 55 would offer the same
1:46:30 > 1:46:32benefit to these young women as the current 12 screenings.
1:46:32 > 1:46:35The study comes ahead of planned changes to the screening programme
1:46:35 > 1:46:37in England for 2019, and similar adjustments
1:46:37 > 1:46:47in Scotland and Wales.
1:46:47 > 1:46:50Earlier we discussed the impact of HPV and those new proposals.
1:46:50 > 1:46:55Mandy Parker was diagnosed with cervical cancer in 2015
1:46:55 > 1:46:58after a routine smear test and she had to have a hysterectomy.
1:46:58 > 1:47:05She told me how she was diagnosed.
1:47:05 > 1:47:09It was through my regular screening, so I haven't missed one every three
1:47:09 > 1:47:15years. I went in June of 2015. But I had no symptoms. I went along as
1:47:15 > 1:47:18normal, had the screening and unfortunate they called me back
1:47:18 > 1:47:24because I had abnormal cells. In September of 2015I had a radical
1:47:24 > 1:47:30hysterectomy because of early-stage cervical cancer. I was told if I
1:47:30 > 1:47:33hadn't gone for screening it would be a totally different story. I am
1:47:33 > 1:47:37here to tell the tale now and it's so important and it's so great to
1:47:37 > 1:47:41have the new HPV screening, because that is Exec what caused my cervical
1:47:41 > 1:47:49cancer.You were approaching the screening, and it would have been
1:47:49 > 1:47:54another three years otherwise.Women lead busy lives and it's so easy to
1:47:54 > 1:47:58put it off. It's so important to attend on time so they can detect
1:47:58 > 1:48:03early changes. It wasn't as bad as it could have been.How do you feel
1:48:03 > 1:48:07about the news today? You have two teenage daughters.It's brilliant.
1:48:07 > 1:48:11They have both been vaccinated and it's been absolutely fine. I would
1:48:11 > 1:48:15encourage everyone to have the HPV vaccine. That caused my surgical
1:48:15 > 1:48:22cancer. Along with the bank vaccine and the new screening programme.
1:48:22 > 1:48:28It's excellent.It stops people getting cervical cancer in the end,
1:48:28 > 1:48:33that's what we want. It's really exciting times for cervical cancer
1:48:33 > 1:48:36because we know what causes it, we can look for it and we are turning
1:48:36 > 1:48:40the programme over so we can look for that rather than abnormal cells,
1:48:40 > 1:48:49which say better and simpler test. When will it come in? This is what
1:48:49 > 1:48:55the study has found. When could this new screening programme kick in?I
1:48:55 > 1:48:58think the important thing to say is that this is a model. What
1:48:58 > 1:49:03researchers have done is that if this happens, and it happens in this
1:49:03 > 1:49:08way, then it would be safe for woman to have many fewer screens. What the
1:49:08 > 1:49:12programme is doing at the moment is concentrate on changing from the
1:49:12 > 1:49:16cytology test, looking at cells under a microscope, to looking for
1:49:16 > 1:49:23the presence of a virus. We'll get that into place by the end of 2019.
1:49:23 > 1:49:27The other thing to say is that the girls who have been vaccinated are
1:49:27 > 1:49:33coming up to 21 and 22. We start screening at 25. We know that
1:49:33 > 1:49:37screening is being taken up by less women. Generally the rates of people
1:49:37 > 1:49:42taking up screening are declining. Why do you think that is?All sorts
1:49:42 > 1:49:47of reasons. Before I go there, I want to say that I will probably be
1:49:47 > 1:49:51dead by the time the current 25-year-olds are right the way
1:49:51 > 1:49:54through the programme, because it does not finish until 65. We need to
1:49:54 > 1:49:59be clear that for women who have not been vaccinated, it's incredibly
1:49:59 > 1:50:08important they get their screening test.People need to get their three
1:50:08 > 1:50:12screens in a lifetime. The key thing is having the HPV vaccine at a young
1:50:12 > 1:50:18age. How long, once you have had that, and schoolgirls are having the
1:50:18 > 1:50:23HPV vaccine, how long does it last? A good question, and part of what
1:50:23 > 1:50:27the reason of what Peter has done as a model, we have been vaccinating,
1:50:27 > 1:50:32and across the world we have been vaccinating since 2008 or so. The
1:50:32 > 1:50:36evidence is very strong that it lasts a long time. But we are
1:50:36 > 1:50:42continuing to gather the data to see if people remain protected.Nicola,
1:50:42 > 1:50:48do you want to come in before we come back to the reasons why?The
1:50:48 > 1:50:51main aim of the surgical screening programme is prevention rather than
1:50:51 > 1:50:55early diagnosis. It does pick up some cases of cervical cancer, but a
1:50:55 > 1:51:00lot of women who get abnormal results, those cell changes are free
1:51:00 > 1:51:07cancer risk, they can be dealt with so it can be moved in Dublin before
1:51:07 > 1:51:14it can have the chance to develop into cancer. When a lot of women go
1:51:14 > 1:51:17through the smear process, they will be fine. Hopefully it can be dealt
1:51:17 > 1:51:22with before it turns into cancer. Could we in theory get to a stage
1:51:22 > 1:51:30where you really do minimise cases of serious cervical cancer? I don't
1:51:30 > 1:51:40want to use the word eliminate.If people took the screening off or up
1:51:40 > 1:51:45as the programme currently is now, we would stop more than 80% of cases
1:51:45 > 1:51:48of cervical cancer. It's an incredibly effective set of things
1:51:48 > 1:51:53to do.Having said that, you say there are declining numbers of women
1:51:53 > 1:51:57going for screening. Why is that? It's interesting. I think it's a mix
1:51:57 > 1:52:02of reasons.Apart from the obvious that it's not necessarily the
1:52:02 > 1:52:06procedure itself, although it doesn't take very long, it might not
1:52:06 > 1:52:11be the most comfortable thing to do for people.Some people find it
1:52:11 > 1:52:14uncomfortable. And some people are worried they will find it
1:52:14 > 1:52:18uncomfortable. People lead busy lives. If you have three jobs and
1:52:18 > 1:52:21four children, you have other things to worry about and it can be
1:52:21 > 1:52:27difficult to get access to a GP or a clinic to do these things. And some
1:52:27 > 1:52:32really interesting work suggests that about five to 8% of people who
1:52:32 > 1:52:36have never had it, have never heard of it.
1:52:36 > 1:52:39The plot of a new BBC drama The Boy with the Topknot is based
1:52:39 > 1:52:41on the real life memoirs of Sathnam Sanghera.
1:52:41 > 1:52:43Born to traditional Sikh parents in Wolverhampton,
1:52:43 > 1:52:46Sathnam went on to study at Cambridge and became
1:52:46 > 1:52:47a successful journalist.
1:52:47 > 1:52:50But it wasn't until his late twenties that he learnt a painful
1:52:50 > 1:52:55family secret about mental illness in his family.
1:52:55 > 1:52:58In a moment we'll be joined by Sacha Dahwan who plays Sathnam,
1:52:58 > 1:53:03but first let's watch a clip.
1:53:03 > 1:53:06I went with Daddy to see his doctor at the clinic the other day.
1:53:06 > 1:53:07Dr Dutta?
1:53:07 > 1:53:08Yeah. Good man.
1:53:08 > 1:53:09Yeah.
1:53:09 > 1:53:11Why don't we ever talk about Daddy's schizophrenia?
1:53:11 > 1:53:18What's there to talk about?
1:53:18 > 1:53:19Well, Dr Dutta mentioned aggression.
1:53:19 > 1:53:20What are you saying?
1:53:20 > 1:53:22When was the last time you saw Daddy be aggressive?
1:53:22 > 1:53:23Never, he'd have never.
1:53:23 > 1:53:26He's the kindest, gentlest man.
1:53:26 > 1:53:28No, I'm not saying he isn't. He is on medication now.
1:53:28 > 1:53:31He's been on medication since before you were born.
1:53:31 > 1:53:32Why are you bringing this up now?
1:53:32 > 1:53:34Indi, I didn't know this until two days ago.
1:53:34 > 1:53:36Of course you knew. I didn't.
1:53:36 > 1:53:37You knew. I didn't.
1:53:37 > 1:53:39And Sacha is with us now.
1:53:43 > 1:53:49. How did you first hear about this role?Every year the BBC announced
1:53:49 > 1:53:54the projects they will do and I saw this one. I had gone through other
1:53:54 > 1:54:03projects and knew the ones that I wouldn't be seen for and then I saw
1:54:03 > 1:54:08The Boy With The Top Knot. I thought the book was amazing and I had
1:54:08 > 1:54:11reservations because I thought they could tip it on its head and it
1:54:11 > 1:54:15wouldn't be as good. I auditioned for it, and it happened.You almost
1:54:15 > 1:54:23didn't audition for it.I didn't. The story is so personal to me as
1:54:23 > 1:54:26well. I have always played characters that are incredibly
1:54:26 > 1:54:31different to me. This was so close to home and I wasn't sure I was
1:54:31 > 1:54:35ready enough to put that to the forefront. But it was actually my
1:54:35 > 1:54:38girlfriend who had a serious word with me and said, you are turning
1:54:38 > 1:54:42this down because you are scared of the challenge. The challenges you
1:54:42 > 1:54:47are scared of the most are the ones you should do. It's the best thing I
1:54:47 > 1:54:53have ever done.The best thing you have ever done?Yeah, I'm so proud
1:54:53 > 1:54:56of it, and I'm doing the press for it now and realise how important it
1:54:56 > 1:55:02is. Not the fact it is representing us, our background, but the fact it
1:55:02 > 1:55:05is putting mental illness at the forefront as well. People just don't
1:55:05 > 1:55:10talk about it.When you say it is closely related to elements of your
1:55:10 > 1:55:13own life, could you give me examples?Not just being from an
1:55:13 > 1:55:20Indian background, it's that at the age of around 30 I felt very
1:55:20 > 1:55:25disconnected from my roots. I wasn't going home as much. I knew my
1:55:25 > 1:55:28family, my parents, they were going through some difficulties and I
1:55:28 > 1:55:35chose to avoid it and run away from it. Around the age of 30 I
1:55:35 > 1:55:38confronted it. I just got to communicate with my parents a bit
1:55:38 > 1:55:42more and it was the best thing that happened. It changed everything. It
1:55:42 > 1:55:48freed me and made me realise, and I love my work as an actor, but it's
1:55:48 > 1:55:52not everything. Family is really important, which is what this drama
1:55:52 > 1:55:57is about.I have seen some of this and it's really a deeply moving
1:55:57 > 1:56:02story. I come from a Sikh family and it comes across as very authentic. A
1:56:02 > 1:56:06lot of the detail is very authentic, I could relate to it and a lot of
1:56:06 > 1:56:09the conversations could have happened in my household. How did
1:56:09 > 1:56:15you feel about getting across the authenticity. And this isn't a
1:56:15 > 1:56:20fictional character, this is Sathnam's life.Exactly what you
1:56:20 > 1:56:25said, it's not just about a generic Indian community, it's specifically
1:56:25 > 1:56:30Sathnam's story. I had the book and I had Sathnam at hand and I met him
1:56:30 > 1:56:34straightaway when I got the part. I realised I had to be sensitive
1:56:34 > 1:56:37because the story is still going on for him at the moment. I met him
1:56:37 > 1:56:43because I wanted to get his blessing. After chatting for five
1:56:43 > 1:56:48minutes we both realised we had so much in common. I realise that his
1:56:48 > 1:56:53story is so much my story, the story I was scared of telling. He said to
1:56:53 > 1:57:01on the part. You are playing me, but it's all you as well. -- own the
1:57:01 > 1:57:09part.In particular it explores a lot of Sathnam's mother and how she
1:57:09 > 1:57:14deals with her husband's mental illness.That's a big thing. It made
1:57:14 > 1:57:18me realise the amount of respect I have for my parents, particularly my
1:57:18 > 1:57:26own mum. Particularly Sathnam's mum. I have an immense respect for her,
1:57:26 > 1:57:31she's the most selfless woman I have ever met. To think what she has been
1:57:31 > 1:57:34through, you wouldn't even think it. The fact she came over at such a
1:57:34 > 1:57:40young age into new country and then had to contend with her husband
1:57:40 > 1:57:45having an illness that they both know what it was. Just the lack of
1:57:45 > 1:57:49communication and being able to speak the language.Sathnam did not
1:57:49 > 1:57:53find out until much later on, he had secrets he didn't tell his family
1:57:53 > 1:57:59about. What was it like when you finally saw the finished version?
1:57:59 > 1:58:03Did you watch it with Sathnam's mum? What was the reaction?I watched it
1:58:03 > 1:58:08with Sathnam. We were both terrified. You never know. You do
1:58:08 > 1:58:13the best is you do, but you don't know until it gets to the edit what
1:58:13 > 1:58:18it will be like. I realise that as much as it is about a Sikh family,
1:58:18 > 1:58:22and Sathnam's family and mental illness, it's about any family. It
1:58:22 > 1:58:26made me think about my own family. It's been a pleasure to have you on.
1:58:26 > 1:58:29The Boy With The Topknot is on BBC2 on Monday at 9pm.
1:58:29 > 1:58:30Thank you for your company today.