15/11/2017

0:00:07 > 0:00:09Hello, it's Wednesday, it's 9am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

0:00:09 > 0:00:14welcome to the programme.

0:00:14 > 0:00:18Our top story today, what's happening in Zimbabwe?

0:00:18 > 0:00:20Where is President Robert Mugabe, the man who's ruled the country

0:00:20 > 0:00:23with an iron fist for decades?

0:00:23 > 0:00:29And who exactly is running the African nation?

0:00:29 > 0:00:36His Excellency the president of the Republic of Zimbabwe and

0:00:36 > 0:00:43commander-in-chief of the Zimbabwe defence forces, Robert Mugabe and

0:00:43 > 0:00:51his family are sound and they are security is guaranteed.

0:00:51 > 0:00:53We'll be live in the capital Harare in the next

0:00:53 > 0:00:54quarter of an hour.

0:00:54 > 0:00:57Also on the programme - the makers of rap and grime videos

0:00:57 > 0:01:00hit back at accusations they can glamorise gun and knife violence.

0:01:00 > 0:01:04People using guns and the stuff that we see on the news, stuff that we

0:01:04 > 0:01:09see on the press, it is the stuff that we see nail.

0:01:09 > 0:01:13More from behind the scenes of video shoots in the next half hour or so.

0:01:13 > 0:01:18And she's one of the favourites to win Strictly - Alexandra Burke

0:01:18 > 0:01:25and her dance partner Gorka Marquez will be here after 10am.

0:01:25 > 0:01:28If you've got a question for them, get in touch.

0:01:34 > 0:01:40Hello and welcome to the programme. We're live until 11am.

0:01:40 > 0:01:41Latest breaking new throughout the programme -

0:01:41 > 0:01:44we're expecting to hear shortly whether or not Scotland

0:01:44 > 0:01:45can introduce minimum pricing for alcohol,

0:01:45 > 0:01:46to tackle binge-drinking.

0:01:46 > 0:01:49The Supreme Court will be making the announcement

0:01:49 > 0:01:54in about 45 minutes time and if the Scottish Government

0:01:54 > 0:01:56is successful it will have an impact on plans

0:01:56 > 0:01:57in others parts of the UK.

0:01:57 > 0:01:59Do you think minimum pricing a good idea?

0:01:59 > 0:02:02Will it tackle binge drinking?

0:02:02 > 0:02:08If you binge drink, if you're addicted to alcohol,

0:02:08 > 0:02:13would it help you if booze was more expensive?

0:02:13 > 0:02:15Our top story today.

0:02:15 > 0:02:17Zimbabwe's military has seized control of the country -

0:02:17 > 0:02:20in what it is claiming is not a coup but a "bloodless transition".

0:02:20 > 0:02:22President Robert Mugabe and his family were detained,

0:02:22 > 0:02:24but are "safe", according to the twitter feed

0:02:24 > 0:02:29of the ruling Zanu PF party.

0:02:29 > 0:02:31It also says the country's former vice-president,

0:02:31 > 0:02:35sacked by President Mugabe earlier this month,

0:02:35 > 0:02:37has been installed as the country's interim leader.

0:02:37 > 0:02:44Jon Donnison's been following events.

0:02:44 > 0:02:49An increase in military vehicles and soldiers on the outskirts of the

0:02:49 > 0:02:56capital yesterday raised alarm. Overnight, the military denied a

0:02:56 > 0:03:02coup was taking place. Insisting President Mugabe was safe.We are

0:03:02 > 0:03:08only targeting criminals around him who are committing crimes that are

0:03:08 > 0:03:11causing social and economic suffering in the country in order to

0:03:11 > 0:03:15bring them to justice.But it came just days after the head of the

0:03:15 > 0:03:19Armed Forces had threatened to take action over the sacking of a senior

0:03:19 > 0:03:25politician. We must demand those behind the

0:03:25 > 0:03:30current treacherous shenanigans that when it comes to matters of

0:03:30 > 0:03:32protecting our revolution, the military will not hesitate to step

0:03:32 > 0:03:36in. The general was referring to

0:03:36 > 0:03:43President Mugabe's sacking of his number two, the Vice-President. Once

0:03:43 > 0:03:49seen as a loyal deputy, his dismissal was seen as a move by

0:03:49 > 0:03:55President Mugabe to hand power to his wife, Grace. But on the streets

0:03:55 > 0:03:58of Harare, some welcomed the possible intervention by the

0:03:58 > 0:04:03military to block such a move.What is needed right now in Zimbabwe is

0:04:03 > 0:04:08to remove this Mugabe family in power.If there is this implosion,

0:04:08 > 0:04:13the implosion is good for the citizens of Zimbabwe.At 93, Robert

0:04:13 > 0:04:19Mugabe is the world's oldest head of state. In power since 1980. His

0:04:19 > 0:04:22political down fall has been predicted many times before and he's

0:04:22 > 0:04:28still standing. The question is for how long?

0:04:28 > 0:04:29Milton Nkosi's the BBC's correspondent in neighbouring

0:04:29 > 0:04:32South Africa - live from Johannesburg.

0:04:32 > 0:04:40What's going on?What we know is that the situation in Zimbabwe's

0:04:40 > 0:04:46capital Harare is quiet, but tense. The streets are being manned by

0:04:46 > 0:04:58troops. There are armoured personnel carriers dotted around the city. The

0:04:58 > 0:05:01Army has taken over Zimbabwe Broadcasting Corporation. We know

0:05:01 > 0:05:04that President Robert Mugabe is safe, as far as the military is

0:05:04 > 0:05:08concerned and he is under arrest in Harare. He hasn't issued any

0:05:08 > 0:05:14statement. Just a short while ago, here in South Africa, president

0:05:14 > 0:05:20Jacob Zuma issued a statement calling for calm and said he hopes

0:05:20 > 0:05:22there will be no unconstitutional change of power because that would

0:05:22 > 0:05:29be counter to the region's stance and also the region of the - the

0:05:29 > 0:05:35stance of the African Union. So, all countries around the southern Africa

0:05:35 > 0:05:38development community is concerned about what is happening in Zimbabwe.

0:05:38 > 0:05:43I mean, is the reading this that the army want the Vice-President in

0:05:43 > 0:05:47charge because he seems to have been installed as the interim leader

0:05:47 > 0:05:52rather than Robert Mugabe's wife, Grace, who was pretty much next in

0:05:52 > 0:06:00line?Yes, indeed. That is exactly what triggered this set of events.

0:06:00 > 0:06:05The military decided that the sacking of the president, of the

0:06:05 > 0:06:09Vice-President, by President Robert Mugabe last week was the straw that

0:06:09 > 0:06:12broke the camel's back as far as they were concerned because they

0:06:12 > 0:06:17feel that the Vice-President made a serious contribution in the

0:06:17 > 0:06:21liberation struggle against white minority rule and the idea that

0:06:21 > 0:06:28Grace Mugabe, who used to be a typist in President Mugabe's office,

0:06:28 > 0:06:32eventually marrying him, would then find herself succeeding President

0:06:32 > 0:06:36Mugabe as president was totally unacceptable as far as they are

0:06:36 > 0:06:40concerned and that's why we are seeing what is happening today.

0:06:40 > 0:06:44Thank you very much, Milton. Peter says, "The fall of Mugabe

0:06:44 > 0:06:47could be significant for Zimbabwe as the fall of the Berlin Wall for

0:06:47 > 0:06:51Germany. Democracy begins hopefully."

0:06:51 > 0:06:55Although the Army taking over would not suggest that's democratic. Kevin

0:06:55 > 0:06:58on Facebook, "What next for the nation of Zimbabwe?" We will keep

0:06:58 > 0:07:01you up-to-dated, of course.

0:07:01 > 0:07:04Annita is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of the rest

0:07:04 > 0:07:05of the day's news.

0:07:05 > 0:07:08The Government has defeated several amendments by MPs on the first day

0:07:08 > 0:07:10of debate of its key Brexit legislation.

0:07:10 > 0:07:17However, some Tory backbenchers are lining up with opposition

0:07:17 > 0:07:19parties to demand further changes as the EU Withdrawal Bill

0:07:19 > 0:07:21continues its passage through the Commons.

0:07:21 > 0:07:23Our Political Correspondent, Leila Nathoo, reports.

0:07:23 > 0:07:28Now is the chance for Parliament to have its say over

0:07:28 > 0:07:32what kind of Brexit we get, a key piece of the Government's

0:07:32 > 0:07:35Brexit legislation has returned to the Commons and MPs are trying

0:07:35 > 0:07:37to tinker with it to influence ministers' approach.

0:07:37 > 0:07:40European Union Withdraw bill.

0:07:40 > 0:07:44Yesterday MPs began considering some of the proposed changes though

0:07:44 > 0:07:54the Government saw off initial challenges, but the debate exposed

0:07:54 > 0:07:56divisions on the Tory backbenches with some Conservative

0:07:56 > 0:07:57MPs minded to rebel.

0:07:57 > 0:07:58Everybody has got more and more brittle.

0:07:58 > 0:08:04More and more unwilling to listen.

0:08:04 > 0:08:06More and more persuaded that every suggestion that is being made

0:08:06 > 0:08:08is in some way a form of treason.

0:08:08 > 0:08:10This morning they've been labelled by one newspaper

0:08:10 > 0:08:11as the Brexit mutineers.

0:08:11 > 0:08:14A number of them are siding with Labour to oppose

0:08:14 > 0:08:17the Government's plan to write the Brexit date into law,

0:08:17 > 0:08:20concerned it raises the chance of Britain crashing out of the EU

0:08:20 > 0:08:22without a deal.

0:08:22 > 0:08:25If negotiations go to the wire both we and the EU 27 might recognise

0:08:25 > 0:08:31the need for an extra week.

0:08:31 > 0:08:34We are going to go through the process of making sure,

0:08:34 > 0:08:36as a responsible government, that our country is ready to leave

0:08:36 > 0:08:40the European Union without a deal if that proves necessary.

0:08:40 > 0:08:41Brexiteers, though, see this as the chance

0:08:41 > 0:08:46to finally take back control.

0:08:46 > 0:08:48Those millions of people who died in both world

0:08:48 > 0:08:51wars died for a reason.

0:08:51 > 0:08:54It was to do with sustaining the freedom and democracy of this House.

0:08:54 > 0:08:59The ayes to the right, 318...

0:08:59 > 0:09:01There will be more contentious votes further down the line.

0:09:01 > 0:09:03With tensions running high, the Government's authority

0:09:03 > 0:09:07is sure to be tested.

0:09:08 > 0:09:11The interim leader of the Labour Party in Scotland,

0:09:11 > 0:09:14Alex Rowley, has stepped aside from the role amid claims

0:09:14 > 0:09:17about his conduct.

0:09:17 > 0:09:20Mr Rowley said he "totally refuted" allegations from a former partner

0:09:20 > 0:09:23published in the Scottish Sun newspaper who said their

0:09:23 > 0:09:33relationship "felt like emotional blackmail and abuse".

0:09:33 > 0:09:37He has referred himself to the party's investigations unit.

0:09:37 > 0:09:39Australians have overwhelmingly backed legalising same-sex marriage

0:09:39 > 0:09:40in an historic poll.

0:09:40 > 0:09:42People took to the streets to celebrate the result,

0:09:42 > 0:09:45after more than 60% voted in favour of allowing same-sex couples to wed.

0:09:45 > 0:09:47More than 12.7 million people took part in

0:09:47 > 0:09:50the non-binding postal vote.

0:09:50 > 0:09:55The husband of Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe,

0:09:55 > 0:09:57the British woman being held in Iran after visiting her family there,

0:09:57 > 0:10:00will meet the Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson this morning

0:10:00 > 0:10:03to discuss her continued imprisonment.

0:10:03 > 0:10:05Mr Johnson apologised after mistakenly claiming

0:10:05 > 0:10:07Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe had been training journalists

0:10:07 > 0:10:10when she was arrested in Tehran in April last year.

0:10:10 > 0:10:13Her family says the comments could result in another five years

0:10:13 > 0:10:15being added to her jail term.

0:10:15 > 0:10:17The meeting will focus on the UK Government's efforts

0:10:17 > 0:10:22to secure her release on humanitarian grounds.

0:10:23 > 0:10:27The UK's highest court will decide later whether Scotland can finally

0:10:27 > 0:10:29enforce its policy of a minimum pricing for alcohol.

0:10:29 > 0:10:36Legislation was approved by the Scottish Parliament five

0:10:36 > 0:10:39years ago, but has been tied up in court challenges amid claims it

0:10:39 > 0:10:40breaches European law.

0:10:40 > 0:10:43Ministers say a 50-pence-per-unit minimum would help tackle

0:10:43 > 0:10:53what they called Scotland's "unhealthy relationship" with drink.

0:10:53 > 0:10:56Concerns have been expressed that films being shown in schools to warn

0:10:56 > 0:11:00of the dangers of child sexual exploitation are upsetting children.

0:11:00 > 0:11:03The films, which are teaching aids for secondary school teachers,

0:11:03 > 0:11:05warn of the dangers of being groomed and exploited.

0:11:05 > 0:11:07But this programme has learned that the graphic and realistic

0:11:07 > 0:11:12nature of some of them has left children feeling traumatised.

0:11:12 > 0:11:14The family of the British explorer, Benedict Allen, say he's gone

0:11:14 > 0:11:20missing during an expedition to Papua New Guinea.

0:11:20 > 0:11:23His wife says he missed his flight home and hasn't been heard

0:11:23 > 0:11:24from in three weeks.

0:11:24 > 0:11:26Mr Allen, who has made numerous documentaries for the BBC,

0:11:26 > 0:11:28had been trying to track down an indigenous tribe

0:11:28 > 0:11:35for a new programme.

0:11:35 > 0:11:39That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30.

0:11:39 > 0:11:42Some comments about minimum pricing. We are going to get that ruling from

0:11:42 > 0:11:49the highest court in the land at 10am, whether Scotland can go ahead

0:11:49 > 0:11:54with introducing minimum pricing. Jo tweets, "It will not tackle

0:11:54 > 0:11:57binge-drinking for the most part though. It will just cost more to

0:11:57 > 0:12:02those who have the means and cause more poverty to those addicted to it

0:12:02 > 0:12:07at the wrong point in their life." Duncan says, "Minimum pricing will

0:12:07 > 0:12:13only hurt those who cannot afford to buy it. Real help is needed, not

0:12:13 > 0:12:15political statements."

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0:12:23 > 0:12:27Will is here. Ireland are not going to the World Cup.A really

0:12:27 > 0:12:31disappointing night for the Irish in Dublin. So much expectation. They

0:12:31 > 0:12:36finished nil-nil in the first leg against Denmark and they were on

0:12:36 > 0:12:40their home turf hoping to get to Russia 2018 this. Is Shane Duffy

0:12:40 > 0:12:44putting the Irish ahead. A packed out stadium in Dublin and at that

0:12:44 > 0:12:48stage they are going to the World Cup! Only six minutes on the clock

0:12:48 > 0:12:55and they found themselves 3-1 down. Christian Eriksson. He ended up with

0:12:55 > 0:12:58a hat-trick and the celebrations from the Danish as they head to

0:12:58 > 0:13:02Russia 2018 and you saw Martin O'Neill there and Roy Keane on the

0:13:02 > 0:13:06side, what does the future hold for them? They are not going to the

0:13:06 > 0:13:12World Cup now, Victoria.Should England be getting more praise after

0:13:12 > 0:13:18two goalless draws?England fielded two young teams. The first against

0:13:18 > 0:13:22Germany when they drew nil-nil. Gareth Southgate made five changes

0:13:22 > 0:13:24for last night's match against Brazil who are number two in the

0:13:24 > 0:13:28world. It wasn't the greatest game to be fair, but they had good

0:13:28 > 0:13:33chances, Brazil, all the possession, they hit the bar and this is late

0:13:33 > 0:13:41on. Another England cap that Gareth Southgate handed, a guy who signed

0:13:41 > 0:13:47from Chelsea to Liverpool, a cap for him, but England having to settle

0:13:47 > 0:13:51for a goalless draw. This is Wales against Panama. Wales not going to

0:13:51 > 0:13:57the World Cup. Panama. What a strike from Tom Laurence the Derby

0:13:57 > 0:14:10mid-fielder. Cooper equalising. This I love. This is Peru against New

0:14:10 > 0:14:13Zealand. Which is going to kick off in the early hours of the morning. A

0:14:13 > 0:14:21World Cup qualifier. They are blessing the Peru team and stamping

0:14:21 > 0:14:24on the New Zealand side. Yes, that's a live snake they are rubbing over

0:14:24 > 0:14:32the New Zealand team. Trying to curse them. I think it has worked

0:14:32 > 0:14:39and it seemed to work because the New Zealand team, they are their

0:14:39 > 0:14:42plane had to divert and they got on to the team bus which wouldn't fit

0:14:42 > 0:14:48into the stadium and when they got into the stadium, the keys wouldn't

0:14:48 > 0:14:52work and they were six hours late. It seems to be working. It will be

0:14:52 > 0:14:56amazing to see what the result is. It will be the snake that wins is

0:14:56 > 0:15:03it?Very good.Not that good! England cricket squad are counting

0:15:03 > 0:15:08down for the Ashes. They have a warm up game before the Ashes start. How

0:15:08 > 0:15:12are they doing and I'm going to ask you to who is going to win the

0:15:12 > 0:15:19Ashes.

0:15:19 > 0:15:22From an England point of view I think they're in quite good place.

0:15:22 > 0:15:28This is Chris Woakes taking six wickets against a Cricket Australia

0:15:28 > 0:15:35Xi. England have had all of this bad news with an Stokes and lots of

0:15:35 > 0:15:41injury news. But from a positive point of view, Chris Woakes putting

0:15:41 > 0:15:44himself in the picture for a starting place in the first Test,

0:15:44 > 0:15:47which is eight days away in Brisbane. Who's going to win the

0:15:47 > 0:15:56Ashes? I'm not sure if I'm allowed to say this but probably Australia!

0:15:56 > 0:16:10You asked me!I'm glad you put your neck on the line!

0:16:16 > 0:16:20The army in Zimbabwe say they have not illegally seized power, but it

0:16:20 > 0:16:26certainly looks like that.

0:16:26 > 0:16:30The military have taken over the state broadcaster, ZBC,

0:16:30 > 0:16:32and made a statement, insisting that they're not leading

0:16:32 > 0:16:34a coup but instead targeting criminals around President Robert

0:16:34 > 0:16:38Mugabe.

0:16:38 > 0:16:43We wish to assure the nation that his Excellency the President of the

0:16:43 > 0:16:54Republic of Zimbabwe and commander-in-chief of the Zimbabwe

0:16:54 > 0:16:57defence forces, comrade Mugabe and his family are safe and sound and

0:16:57 > 0:17:04so-so security is guaranteed. We are only targeting the minerals around

0:17:04 > 0:17:09him who are committing crimes that are causing social and economic

0:17:09 > 0:17:19suffering to the country. As soon as we have accomplished our mission, we

0:17:19 > 0:17:24expect that the situation will return to normalcy. We wish to make

0:17:24 > 0:17:32it abundantly clear that this is not a military takeover of government.

0:17:32 > 0:17:41What the Zimbabwe defence forces is doing is to pacify a degenerating

0:17:41 > 0:17:45political, social and economic situation in our country. Which, if

0:17:45 > 0:17:51not addressed, may result in violent conflict.

0:17:51 > 0:17:54At the moment it's not clear who's leading the military action,

0:17:54 > 0:17:59and for exactly what purpose.

0:17:59 > 0:18:02The army insists that President Robert Mugabe, who is 93,

0:18:02 > 0:18:05and the leader of the governing Zanu PF party, is "safe and sound" -

0:18:05 > 0:18:07but exactly where he is is also unknown.

0:18:07 > 0:18:10Robert Mugabe has presided over Zimbabwe for the last three decades

0:18:10 > 0:18:16- he has often used violence to maintain his grip on power.

0:18:16 > 0:18:19His critics are dismissed as "traitors and sell-outs".

0:18:19 > 0:18:24During his time as President, the county has experienced

0:18:24 > 0:18:28really severe economic problems - at one point it was the world's

0:18:28 > 0:18:30fastest-shrinking economy with annual inflation

0:18:30 > 0:18:39of 231 million percent.

0:18:39 > 0:18:41Last week Mr Mugabe sacked his vice-president as part

0:18:41 > 0:18:49of a row over succession.

0:18:49 > 0:18:51It means Robert Mugabe's wife Grace Mugabe had wanted

0:18:51 > 0:18:52to replace him as president.

0:18:52 > 0:18:54The rivalry between Mrs Mugabe and the vice-president

0:18:54 > 0:18:59has split Zanu PF.

0:18:59 > 0:19:03We wish to assure the nation that his Excellency the President of the

0:19:03 > 0:19:12Republic of Zimbabwe and commander-in-chief of the Zimbabwe

0:19:12 > 0:19:16defence forces, Unread Mugabe and his family, are safe and sound and

0:19:16 > 0:19:22their security is guaranteed. We are only targeting criminals around him

0:19:22 > 0:19:26who are committing crimes that are causing social and economic

0:19:26 > 0:19:35suffering in the country.That's the same clip that we played you

0:19:35 > 0:19:39earlier, as you realise to!

0:19:39 > 0:19:41For the latest let's talk to Wisdom Mdzungairi is the Editor

0:19:41 > 0:19:44of the Zimbabwe independent newspaper, NewsDay,

0:19:44 > 0:19:45in the capital Harare.

0:19:45 > 0:19:55Senator David Coltart is a Zimbabwean opposition

0:19:58 > 0:20:00politician from the MDC Party and former minister

0:20:00 > 0:20:01in the inclusive government.

0:20:01 > 0:20:02He joins us from Bulawayo.

0:20:02 > 0:20:05And Alex Magaisa is a former adviser to Zimbabwe's opposition

0:20:05 > 0:20:07leader Morgan Tsvangirai, and is now a lecturer

0:20:07 > 0:20:08at the University of Kent.

0:20:08 > 0:20:12Wisdom Mdzungairi, good morning. Robert Mugabe, a dictator, is not in

0:20:12 > 0:20:15charge of your country for the first time in decades - what does it feel

0:20:15 > 0:20:32like on the streets of Harare?As usual, as in any normal... But I

0:20:32 > 0:20:39think with military in all corners of the streets, especially in the

0:20:39 > 0:20:49city... But it is business as usual. It is only ensuring that people can

0:20:49 > 0:20:53go to work and do their business.I am struggling to hear you a little

0:20:53 > 0:20:56bit but I think you're telling me that it is business as usual even

0:20:56 > 0:21:00though the military are on the streets?Yes, very true.Where is

0:21:00 > 0:21:13Robert Mugabe?He is at his home. Why is he being detained there?He

0:21:13 > 0:21:20is not being detained. I think the military statement is very clear,

0:21:20 > 0:21:23when they say that they have made sure that there is maximum security

0:21:23 > 0:21:27to keep him safe, even tense atmosphere prevailing in our

0:21:27 > 0:21:32country.OK, but who is he being kept safe from, the people who are

0:21:32 > 0:21:41keeping him safe, the army?The army protects the president. And they

0:21:41 > 0:21:46make sure that they protect him. In a situation like ours today, there

0:21:46 > 0:21:51can be skirmishes and these guys are ensuring that there are no

0:21:51 > 0:21:59skirmishes.I am not clear who they are protecting him from, though?

0:21:59 > 0:22:05From...Who is the army protecting Robert Mugabe from, why do they need

0:22:05 > 0:22:13to keep him safe?Because the situation is tense in the country,

0:22:13 > 0:22:21and from the military statement, they express their disquiet over

0:22:21 > 0:22:26Zanu PF on Monday, they indicated that...What do you think about the

0:22:26 > 0:22:32vice president being installed as leader effectively?This is

0:22:32 > 0:22:39speculation. There is no preparation at the moment that we are aware of.

0:22:39 > 0:22:44The vice president is out of the country and in South Africa. And I

0:22:44 > 0:22:51will not confirm that. Until and unless this is confirmed, then I

0:22:51 > 0:22:56will be able to speak to that.OK, let me speak to an opposition

0:22:56 > 0:23:02politician, David Coltart, a former minister in this government. Who is

0:23:02 > 0:23:09running your country?It clear that the military are now in control.

0:23:09 > 0:23:17They have not deposed Robert Mugabe, they say that they respect him as

0:23:17 > 0:23:22President. But it's clear that they've captured the broadcasting

0:23:22 > 0:23:27corporation, the ZBC. As my colleague said there are soldiers on

0:23:27 > 0:23:31the streets, and we have credible reports of senior Cabinet ministers

0:23:31 > 0:23:34having been arrested.So, the military are clearly in control.

0:23:34 > 0:23:45Why?I think it is the result of months, years, of economic

0:23:45 > 0:23:48degradation and quite frankly foolish economic policies, but what

0:23:48 > 0:23:56has brought this to a head, of course, was the removal from power

0:23:56 > 0:24:10of the vice president ten days ago. And his dismissal from Zanu PF. And

0:24:10 > 0:24:16the clear intention stated by Zanu PF and Robert Mugabe to promote his

0:24:16 > 0:24:21wife, and I think the final straw was the fear of people that the

0:24:21 > 0:24:29Mugabes dynasty was in the process of being formed.Let me bring in

0:24:29 > 0:24:35Alex Magaisa, who used to work for the opposition leader - how do you

0:24:35 > 0:24:39assess what is going on, give us the context?As my colleagues have

0:24:39 > 0:24:45indicated, there has been a succession race in Zimbabwe, the

0:24:45 > 0:24:49race to succeed President Mugabe, who as you know is now 93. The two

0:24:49 > 0:24:58me protagonists have been the First Lady, Mugabes's wife, and the former

0:24:58 > 0:25:04vice president Emerson. And it is the sacking of the former vice

0:25:04 > 0:25:09president that has brought things to a head, producing a reaction from

0:25:09 > 0:25:18the military. Is at least some of it has been closed to vice president of

0:25:18 > 0:25:21Emmerson Mnangagwa and the response which we are seeing, which is quite

0:25:21 > 0:25:26a radical response, we saw a robust fitment on Monday, and that was

0:25:26 > 0:25:30followed up by the ubiquitous presence of armed forces on the

0:25:30 > 0:25:35streets of Harare. And, of course, the statement that we have this

0:25:35 > 0:25:42morning, with the army saying that they are targeting criminals.

0:25:42 > 0:25:46Effectively in my opinion they are saying it is not a coup, but it is a

0:25:46 > 0:25:51coup.Let me go back to David Coltart - as a politician in is a

0:25:51 > 0:25:55bubbly - what do you think about what is happening?As a human rights

0:25:55 > 0:25:59lawyer and someone who believes in our constitution and the ball of

0:25:59 > 0:26:05law, I need to say at the outset that we don't like the abuse of the

0:26:05 > 0:26:12law in this way, and the constitution is disregarded. So, we

0:26:12 > 0:26:15hope that whilst we have to deal with this practical situation, that

0:26:15 > 0:26:20the military will return to civilian government and to respecting the

0:26:20 > 0:26:23cost of Jewish and as soon as possible. Having said that, of

0:26:23 > 0:26:29course, the fact remains -- respecting the constitution as soon

0:26:29 > 0:26:35as possible. Having said that, if the military are genuinely

0:26:35 > 0:26:39determined to stabilise the country, then we hope that it may yet be a

0:26:39 > 0:26:46good thing.Thank you very much all of you. Live pictures you can see

0:26:46 > 0:26:54from Harare. As the editor of the independent newspaper NewsDay told

0:26:54 > 0:26:58us, it is business as usual running what has been going on in the last

0:26:58 > 0:27:0124 hours or so. Business as usual on the streets of the P people going

0:27:01 > 0:27:07out their business -- people going about their business.

0:27:09 > 0:27:14Commuters are being urged to step in if they see vulnerable people

0:27:14 > 0:27:16near railway tracks, as part of a campaign

0:27:16 > 0:27:17to prevent suicide.

0:27:17 > 0:27:19British Transport Police say engaging someone in conversation

0:27:19 > 0:27:22could "make all the difference".

0:27:22 > 0:27:25Earlier we spoke to Jonny Benjamin who almost ten years ago sat

0:27:25 > 0:27:35on the edge of Waterloo Bridge about to jump off,

0:27:39 > 0:27:44and Neil Laybourn, who was walking by and engaged him in conversation.

0:27:44 > 0:27:47Anybody can approach, you don't have to worry about saying the wrong

0:27:47 > 0:27:51thing. It can be even something about the weather, anything to start

0:27:51 > 0:27:54up a conversation, really. Something to get that person talking if you're

0:27:54 > 0:27:59concerned about somebody.And Jonny Benjamin, what do you think that

0:27:59 > 0:28:03could do, some of those simple type of questions?I think when someone

0:28:03 > 0:28:09is in that kind of suicidal frame of mind, they're in their own bubble. I

0:28:09 > 0:28:13know I have been in my own bubble whenever I have been suicidal and it

0:28:13 > 0:28:16is about breaking that bubble and breaking that person out of that his

0:28:16 > 0:28:20own. Just someone coming along and asking those questions can really

0:28:20 > 0:28:24break that person from that intense cycle of thoughts and feelings. And

0:28:24 > 0:28:30then get that person engaged. And it might take a while. I know for us on

0:28:30 > 0:28:35the bridge it took me a while to finally talk to Niall, because I

0:28:35 > 0:28:38didn't want him there, I was embarrassed, I just wanted him to go

0:28:38 > 0:28:47away. But he stood his ground and he was very calm and patient, and I

0:28:47 > 0:28:50think that is really key, being patient. Because at first they might

0:28:50 > 0:28:55not want to talk, they might just want you to go away. But if you

0:28:55 > 0:28:58remain calm and grounded and engaged, then eventually I think

0:28:58 > 0:29:01people will start to engage with you, but but it might take some time

0:29:01 > 0:29:07maybe.And Neil, what did you say to Johnny all those years ago when you

0:29:07 > 0:29:12saw him on Waterloo Bridge?What I said to Johnny was pretty much what

0:29:12 > 0:29:16I just said Ben Jefford member walking up and saying, hi, mate, are

0:29:16 > 0:29:23you OK? I said why are you sitting on the bridge? And when he told me

0:29:23 > 0:29:28that he was going to take his life, who I just said, OK, can you tell me

0:29:28 > 0:29:32why? Just not being afraid of simple, open questions, which allow

0:29:32 > 0:29:37that person to just kind of communique. And another thing is, if

0:29:37 > 0:29:40you're going to approach somebody personally I would always tell them

0:29:40 > 0:29:43why, just to make them feel OK. The reason I'm approaching you is

0:29:43 > 0:29:49because I was concerned and I thought you were looking uneasy, or

0:29:49 > 0:29:52a little worried or distressed and I just wanted to check in and see that

0:29:52 > 0:29:57you're OK. So, just backing it up with why is well. On that day,

0:29:57 > 0:30:06that's exactly what happened.Neil Laybourn and Jonny Benjamin. And you

0:30:06 > 0:30:11can find charities which offer support at BBC action line. Still to

0:30:11 > 0:30:16come on the programme - we are going to meet the wrap and grind artists

0:30:16 > 0:30:20who say they are being targeted unfairly for videos which are being

0:30:20 > 0:30:26accused of glamorising gun crime and knife crime. And one of the Spector

0:30:26 > 0:30:42favourites Alexandra Burke and her partner Gorka Marquez will be here.

0:30:42 > 0:30:47Zimbabwe's military has taken control of the country. An Army

0:30:47 > 0:30:52spokesman said that President Mugabe and his family were safe, but it was

0:30:52 > 0:30:55targeting people close to Mr Mugabe who caused social and economic

0:30:55 > 0:31:01suffering. The move came after Mr Mugabe sacked his deputy in favour

0:31:01 > 0:31:10of his wife. In the last hour, our reporter in the Zimbabwean capital

0:31:10 > 0:31:16Harare has given us this update. Well, the wages is quiter than

0:31:16 > 0:31:21usual, but some people have -- well, the situation is quieter than usual.

0:31:21 > 0:31:26Some people have decided to go to work or school, there isn't the fear

0:31:26 > 0:31:31for panic despite the fact that the military have taken over. In the

0:31:31 > 0:31:37central business district, there are signs of security, as well as

0:31:37 > 0:31:43military checkpoints by have been installed at the stream court and

0:31:43 > 0:31:50the Reserve Bank and there are checkpoints at the airport and some

0:31:50 > 0:31:53people were seen to be led away by gun point and the military are still

0:31:53 > 0:31:57in control of the capital. On the line is our Africa Editor

0:31:57 > 0:32:05Fergal Keane. Is this about a fight, about who succeeds Robert Mugabe?

0:32:05 > 0:32:09That's what it's about. And the military say this isn't a coup, but

0:32:09 > 0:32:15when you have a man in military uniform appearing on television late

0:32:15 > 0:32:19in the night declaring that the army is acting for the stability of the

0:32:19 > 0:32:22country, it sounds like, it looks like, it is a coup. Now, an

0:32:22 > 0:32:26important caveat. If the army is taking power I believe it is only

0:32:26 > 0:32:31for the short-term this. Is about facilitating the exit of Robert

0:32:31 > 0:32:34Mugabe and bringing in somebody whom the military trust. They loathe

0:32:34 > 0:32:38Grace Mugabe and it is worth reminding people of what she

0:32:38 > 0:32:43represents to people who fought in the revolutionary war in the 60s and

0:32:43 > 0:32:4670s that brought Robert Mugabe. They see her as somebody who goes around

0:32:46 > 0:32:53the world on lavish shopping trips buying diamond rings, becoming

0:32:53 > 0:32:57involved in public scandals in South Africa where she attacked a model

0:32:57 > 0:33:01who was seen with her two sons and as somebody who has no revolutionary

0:33:01 > 0:33:08pedigree and somebody who does not belong in the Zanu party. It was a

0:33:08 > 0:33:12matter of time before something gave and the decent by Robert Mugabe

0:33:12 > 0:33:17pushed undoubtedly by his wife and the faction around her to remove the

0:33:17 > 0:33:21Vice-President, a man close to the military, that was the last straw.

0:33:21 > 0:33:27And if really is the end of Robert Mugabe as president of Zimbabwe, a

0:33:27 > 0:33:31country he has run for decades with an iron fist, how significant is

0:33:31 > 0:33:41that? Ah, I think we've lost him. OK, apologies, we will try and get

0:33:41 > 0:33:44back to Fergal Keane later. We will continue to bring you reaction from

0:33:44 > 0:33:51Zimbabwe. Breakings news that the president -- breaking news that the

0:33:51 > 0:33:56president, Robert Mugabe maybe an ex-president. He is being detained

0:33:56 > 0:34:01for his safety in his home and the interim leader has been installed.

0:34:01 > 0:34:04He is the current Vice-President.

0:34:04 > 0:34:06Time for the latest news, here's Annita.

0:34:06 > 0:34:08The interim leader of the Labour Party in Scotland,

0:34:08 > 0:34:11Alex Rowley, has stepped aside from the role amid claims

0:34:11 > 0:34:12about his conduct.

0:34:12 > 0:34:16Mr Rowley said he "totally refuted" allegations from a former partner

0:34:16 > 0:34:18published in the Scottish Sun newspaper who said their

0:34:18 > 0:34:21relationship "felt like emotional blackmail and abuse".

0:34:21 > 0:34:24The MSP for Mid Scotland and Fife has referred himself to the party's

0:34:24 > 0:34:32investigations unit.

0:34:32 > 0:34:37The Government has defeated several amendments by MPs. Some Tory

0:34:37 > 0:34:40backbenchers are lining up with opposition parties to demand further

0:34:40 > 0:34:43changes as the EU withdrawal Bill continues its passage through the

0:34:43 > 0:34:48Commons. More contentious votes are expected in the coming weeks

0:34:48 > 0:34:52relating to ministerial powers and enshrining the date for Brexit in

0:34:52 > 0:34:54law.

0:34:54 > 0:34:57Australians have overwhelmingly backed legalising same-sex marriage

0:34:57 > 0:35:00in a historic poll.

0:35:00 > 0:35:02People took to the streets to celebrate the result

0:35:02 > 0:35:12after more than 60% voted in favour of allowing same-sex couples to wed.

0:35:17 > 0:35:18More than 12.7 million people took part in

0:35:18 > 0:35:19the non-binding postal vote.

0:35:19 > 0:35:21The husband of Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe -

0:35:21 > 0:35:24the British woman being held in Iran after visiting her family there -

0:35:24 > 0:35:26will meet the Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson this morning

0:35:26 > 0:35:27to discuss her continued imprisonment.

0:35:27 > 0:35:29Mr Johnson apologised after mistakenly claiming

0:35:29 > 0:35:30Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe had been training journalists

0:35:30 > 0:35:33when she was arrested in Tehran in April last year.

0:35:33 > 0:35:35Her family says the comments could result in another five years

0:35:35 > 0:35:37being added to her jail term.

0:35:37 > 0:35:40The meeting will focus on the UK Government's efforts

0:35:40 > 0:35:43to secure her release on humanitarian grounds.

0:35:43 > 0:35:48That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

0:35:48 > 0:35:52We will hear from the Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson shortly, he

0:35:52 > 0:35:58is being asked about the situation in Zimbabwe.

0:35:58 > 0:36:02The latest unemployment figures are just out.

0:36:02 > 0:36:07Andy verity is here.Average earnings are up 2.2%, excluding

0:36:07 > 0:36:13bonuses so that's good news, but lower than inflation, of course,

0:36:13 > 0:36:18unemployment 4.3%, down 59,000. But what is noticeable, for the first

0:36:18 > 0:36:21time for years that I can remember the total number of people in work

0:36:21 > 0:36:24has dropped. It has been rising and hitting a record every time these

0:36:24 > 0:36:29numbers come out, but now, it has dropped by 14,000 to just over 32

0:36:29 > 0:36:33million. It is still a huge workforce. Still more than we had

0:36:33 > 0:36:36last year or six months ago, but the fact that it seems to have turned

0:36:36 > 0:36:40the corner is interesting and we have had some good news on

0:36:40 > 0:36:43productivity. That had been falling. The amount we produce per hour or

0:36:43 > 0:36:47per worker, but now we have had news in July to September it rose by

0:36:47 > 0:36:510.9%. That's good news for the Chancellor in the forthcoming Budget

0:36:51 > 0:36:54in the sense that he can anticipate that if we are producing more, we

0:36:54 > 0:37:04might be paid more and that it will mean more tax coming in.Thank you.

0:37:04 > 0:37:11Sport now and here is Will. Martin O'Neill will speak to the country's

0:37:11 > 0:37:14Football Association about his future later after failing to reach

0:37:14 > 0:37:19the World Cup. The celebrations from the Danish despite having the lead

0:37:19 > 0:37:25the Irish last night in Dublin. O'Neill and Keane agreed contract

0:37:25 > 0:37:30extensions last month. England were held to a goalless draw by Brazil in

0:37:30 > 0:37:34a friendly at Wembley following on from their nil-nil against Germany.

0:37:34 > 0:37:39Gareth Southgate fielded a young England side. They could have

0:37:39 > 0:37:44snatched victory late on. The Liverpool striker denied in the last

0:37:44 > 0:37:49ten minutes. Another manager whose future is in doubt is the Wales

0:37:49 > 0:37:57boss, Chris Coleman. Tom Laurence putting them ahead in Cardiff before

0:37:57 > 0:38:00Panama's stoppage time equaliser. With eight days before the first

0:38:00 > 0:38:05Ashes Test, a great day for this man on the right, Chris Woakes, the

0:38:05 > 0:38:08first Test in Brisbane, Woakes taking six wickets yesterday as

0:38:08 > 0:38:14England were made to field all day by cricket Australia 11. The hosts

0:38:14 > 0:38:20249-9. I will have more for you at 10am.

0:38:20 > 0:38:23Next, as YouTube comes under increasing pressure to remove music

0:38:23 > 0:38:26videos which may be seen to glamorise or encourage

0:38:26 > 0:38:33knife and gun crime, we've been to meet people who make

0:38:33 > 0:38:35rap and grime videos and say they're worried that they'll

0:38:35 > 0:38:37be targeted unfairly.

0:38:37 > 0:38:40Pacman makes videos which get millions of views.

0:38:40 > 0:38:43He says they're just portraying real life for many people

0:38:43 > 0:38:44and there's a difference between rapping about violence

0:38:44 > 0:38:45and condoning it.

0:38:45 > 0:38:48This report from Andy Jones does contain flashing images and footage

0:38:48 > 0:38:53which some people may find offensive.

0:38:54 > 0:38:56I've been filming videos, I've seen...

0:38:56 > 0:38:58I've seen people pull out some serious weapons.

0:38:58 > 0:39:04I've seen guys get shot.

0:39:04 > 0:39:07I can't rap about anything positive, because like I haven't seen

0:39:07 > 0:39:09more of that life yet.

0:39:09 > 0:39:12Rap, its imagery and its lyrics still has the power to divide.

0:39:12 > 0:39:15Critics say it glamorises violence and criminality.

0:39:15 > 0:39:18Fans say rap music is just that - music, and a vital expression

0:39:18 > 0:39:22of the lives some young people lead.

0:39:22 > 0:39:26We've spoken to those on both sides of the argument,

0:39:26 > 0:39:30and we've had rare access to the youngsters starring in videos

0:39:30 > 0:39:32and been on location with the underground

0:39:32 > 0:39:37film-maker producing them.

0:39:46 > 0:39:47Hello. How you doing?

0:39:47 > 0:39:49Good to meet you.

0:39:49 > 0:39:50Good to see you.

0:39:50 > 0:39:52Thanks so much for having us in.

0:39:52 > 0:39:54It's cool. Come through.

0:39:54 > 0:39:56Come through.

0:39:56 > 0:39:57This is the studio.

0:39:57 > 0:40:00Pacman runs his own YouTube music platform.

0:40:00 > 0:40:04In the past, he's worked with gangs, but he wants to show us another side

0:40:04 > 0:40:06to the scene he's involved in.

0:40:06 > 0:40:09It's all about them just broadcasting themselves,

0:40:09 > 0:40:12showing that, showing what they've got to offer, what they

0:40:12 > 0:40:13bring to the table.

0:40:13 > 0:40:14That's it.

0:40:14 > 0:40:16Everyone wants good exposure at a high standard, and that's

0:40:16 > 0:40:19what I'm offering to them.

0:40:19 > 0:40:23I know that when I've shot videos, all of them have said to me, Pacman,

0:40:23 > 0:40:25that's why I like him, because you come anywhere.

0:40:25 > 0:40:28Other cameramen, they try to get through to them, either they're

0:40:28 > 0:40:31scared or they won't come or they're picking sides with someone that that

0:40:31 > 0:40:32person's not cool with, but...

0:40:32 > 0:40:33OK.

0:40:33 > 0:40:35I don't care about all that stuff.

0:40:35 > 0:40:38Although Pacman says he is careful not to get involved in rivalries,

0:40:38 > 0:40:40his video shoots are not drama-free.

0:40:40 > 0:40:41I've been filming videos, I've seen...

0:40:41 > 0:40:43I've seen people pull out some serious weapons.

0:40:43 > 0:40:46I've seen guys get shot.

0:40:46 > 0:40:52But the thing is, that's always like a personal,

0:40:52 > 0:40:55a personal sort of in-house issue in the areas, it's not

0:40:55 > 0:40:56anything to do with me.

0:40:56 > 0:41:02So I'm not particularly scared.

0:41:02 > 0:41:06But obviously to a normal civilian or a bystander,

0:41:06 > 0:41:07obviously is going to be a scary situation.

0:41:07 > 0:41:09Yeah, seeing someone get shot is a scary thing.

0:41:09 > 0:41:11Yeah, of course.

0:41:11 > 0:41:12So what happened when this guy...

0:41:12 > 0:41:14Someone was filming with you, and somebody came

0:41:14 > 0:41:15past and shot at them.

0:41:15 > 0:41:17What happened?

0:41:17 > 0:41:20Well, I will show you the video.

0:41:20 > 0:41:22Someone got shot, and the guys just carried on filming

0:41:22 > 0:41:23like nothing happened.

0:41:23 > 0:41:24But I think...

0:41:24 > 0:41:26I think obviously that's the environment, so that's

0:41:26 > 0:41:29what they're used to.

0:41:29 > 0:41:32So a guy got shot, and they were just like,

0:41:32 > 0:41:34we've paid for your time, Pacman, we want you to carry on?

0:41:34 > 0:41:35Yeah, yeah.

0:41:35 > 0:41:37Pretty much.

0:41:37 > 0:41:42There is concern from the London Mayor's office that some

0:41:42 > 0:41:44of the videos posted on YouTube in particular can incite violence

0:41:44 > 0:41:48and build up tensions between rival gangs.

0:41:48 > 0:41:51Although they say they are not targeting general rap and music

0:41:51 > 0:41:55videos, they do want online outlets to do more to quickly remove

0:41:55 > 0:41:56videos which include extreme graphic content.

0:41:56 > 0:41:59Sophie Linden is the deputy mayor for policing and crime.

0:41:59 > 0:42:01She didn't speak to us about Pacman's channel, but did talk

0:42:01 > 0:42:07to us about their campaign to tackle gang violence online.

0:42:07 > 0:42:10Well, the Met and ourselves are taking this very seriously

0:42:10 > 0:42:13in terms of what is being put up onto YouTube.

0:42:13 > 0:42:16Gangs are using YouTube to make very specific threats

0:42:16 > 0:42:18and intimidation and harassment, and sometimes incite violence.

0:42:18 > 0:42:21They are putting videos up that possibly to people who just look

0:42:21 > 0:42:25at it that don't know or aren't a member of a gang, they may seem

0:42:25 > 0:42:27to be fairly innocuous, but the Metropolitan Police have

0:42:27 > 0:42:31experts judging these videos, and they believe and have asked

0:42:31 > 0:42:34YouTube to take some of them down because they do insight violence

0:42:34 > 0:42:35and they are causing tensions.

0:42:35 > 0:42:37And these are tensions in communities and amongst

0:42:37 > 0:42:40gangs that are very, very able to take violent measures.

0:42:40 > 0:42:42Now, we've had conversations with YouTube, and YouTube

0:42:42 > 0:42:45are taking some action, but what we want them to do

0:42:45 > 0:42:50is to take much tougher action and much more quickly.

0:42:50 > 0:42:53The Mayor's office is clearly concerned, but Pacman argues

0:42:53 > 0:42:57the videos he makes are just an expression of his

0:42:57 > 0:43:03clients' lives rather than something more dangerous.

0:43:03 > 0:43:06What does your mum think of all of this?

0:43:06 > 0:43:10Shall we call her and ask her?

0:43:10 > 0:43:12Well, we can do, yeah!

0:43:12 > 0:43:17PHONE RINGS.

0:43:17 > 0:43:20Hello?

0:43:20 > 0:43:23I'm with the BBC. They want to ask you some questions.

0:43:23 > 0:43:24OK.

0:43:24 > 0:43:25Are you free to talk?

0:43:25 > 0:43:28I wanted to ask, what do you think of the crazy life he leads?

0:43:28 > 0:43:30Oh, the guy has worked hard.

0:43:30 > 0:43:33I am ever so proud of him.

0:43:33 > 0:43:36It must be quite scary knowing that he's driving to some

0:43:36 > 0:43:37dangerous places sometimes?

0:43:37 > 0:43:39Of course, of course, I'm always scared.

0:43:39 > 0:43:43I'm his mother, I have to be.

0:43:43 > 0:43:46Doesn't I?

0:43:46 > 0:43:48You know, he's alone out there, and you never know

0:43:48 > 0:43:49what's around the corner.

0:43:49 > 0:43:52You're worried about him even if sometimes he isn't?

0:43:52 > 0:43:54He knows what he does.

0:43:54 > 0:43:55You know, he knows the people he's seeing.

0:43:55 > 0:43:58He feels quite safe, really.

0:43:58 > 0:44:00He's always telling me there's nothing to worry about.

0:44:00 > 0:44:02And do you ever watch any of his videos?

0:44:02 > 0:44:04Of course I do.

0:44:04 > 0:44:06I comment on all of them.

0:44:06 > 0:44:09If I could tell the Queen about Pacman TV, I will,

0:44:09 > 0:44:10because he's done so much.

0:44:10 > 0:44:13He's taken so many kids off the street, doing something

0:44:13 > 0:44:16that they love and they enjoyed doing, and I'm proud of him.

0:44:16 > 0:44:17Very much.

0:44:17 > 0:44:19Tell him.

0:44:19 > 0:44:25He listens to me in that video sometimes.

0:44:25 > 0:44:26When people aren't clued up on the situation,

0:44:26 > 0:44:29when they don't know what's going on, that's when they make

0:44:29 > 0:44:32assumptions and form their own opinions.

0:44:32 > 0:44:34But it's only when you show them that they realise

0:44:34 > 0:44:36that there is actually something constructive that's going on,

0:44:36 > 0:44:39and that's not a negative thing, that actually people trying

0:44:39 > 0:44:42to either show themselves in a good light or trying to make a business

0:44:42 > 0:44:44from what they're doing.

0:44:44 > 0:44:46And that's what J Gang's doing now.

0:44:46 > 0:44:48I'm going to show you this video.

0:44:48 > 0:44:50He's got a track called Choices, and it's about choices

0:44:50 > 0:44:55growing up in Brixton.

0:44:57 > 0:45:00# Girl, did you know it's me.

0:45:00 > 0:45:03# I know that you know it's me.

0:45:03 > 0:45:06# It's us when you say something late and you're looking at me.

0:45:06 > 0:45:08# All my exes, they say I'm drugs.

0:45:08 > 0:45:11# Me and Bandal, you know we're thugs...

0:45:11 > 0:45:15I've got a lot of music talking about the streets here.

0:45:15 > 0:45:19It is bad stuff, but it's stuff that is in the public eye anyway.

0:45:19 > 0:45:20It's reality.

0:45:20 > 0:45:22People are taking drugs.

0:45:22 > 0:45:24People are using guns, people are using knives.

0:45:24 > 0:45:27This is stuff that we see on the news, stuff that we see

0:45:27 > 0:45:28in the South London press.

0:45:28 > 0:45:30This is stuff that we see anyway.

0:45:30 > 0:45:32And I've seen certain things that just by chance I've

0:45:32 > 0:45:33seen certain things.

0:45:33 > 0:45:36You could have been in the same position as me and seen it.

0:45:36 > 0:45:48So why not rap about it?

0:45:48 > 0:45:50What do you get out of putting the videos on YouTube?

0:45:50 > 0:45:51I love doing music.

0:45:51 > 0:45:54At the same time, there's a lot of people blowing up from music.

0:45:54 > 0:45:57So it's a way out at the same time.

0:45:57 > 0:45:59Because everyone, like, the people that I know that's bad

0:45:59 > 0:46:00they've all wanted to turn good.

0:46:00 > 0:46:01Sometimes it's too late.

0:46:01 > 0:46:03Sometimes you end up in jail.

0:46:03 > 0:46:06And then you can't get out of the situation that

0:46:06 > 0:46:10you're in, and then you wish that you just went legit.

0:46:12 > 0:46:18Yeah, man, that's a wrap.

0:46:18 > 0:46:22But is there a danger that even by rapping about gangs and violence,

0:46:22 > 0:46:25people could get wrong message?

0:46:25 > 0:46:34In 2015, Marcel Addai was murdered after a chain of video exchanges

0:46:34 > 0:46:36between gangs in London erupted into violence.

0:46:36 > 0:46:38His four killers got a combined 97 years in prison.

0:46:38 > 0:46:43The Met have told us that social media platforms are awash

0:46:43 > 0:46:45with videos that glamorise gang violence, and these have

0:46:45 > 0:46:49been on the increase since around September 2015.

0:46:49 > 0:46:52The Met say that they only want videos removed if they raise

0:46:52 > 0:46:56the real risk of violence on the streets.

0:46:56 > 0:46:58And they continue to work with YouTube and other platforms

0:46:58 > 0:46:59to get better results.

0:46:59 > 0:47:01They recognise that there's more work to be done.

0:47:01 > 0:47:04However, the Met tell us that they flagged up

0:47:04 > 0:47:1216 videos this year, and only seven have been taken down.

0:47:12 > 0:47:15Even though they might rap about it in their videos, none of the people

0:47:15 > 0:47:18we spoke to condone violence, and say they aren't

0:47:18 > 0:47:18members of any gangs.

0:47:18 > 0:47:22Pacman says he knows where to draw the line when making videos.

0:47:22 > 0:47:30If you see anything that's too graphic, anything that seriously

0:47:30 > 0:47:32targets the individual or nudity or anything that's

0:47:32 > 0:47:34seriously controversial, YouTube just take it down.

0:47:34 > 0:47:36If the police ask YouTube to take a video down,

0:47:36 > 0:47:39do you think they should take the video down?

0:47:39 > 0:47:43I think it depends on the actual content.

0:47:43 > 0:47:47If it is within reason, then fair enough.

0:47:47 > 0:47:51But if somebody's simply rapping, and the content's not violent

0:47:51 > 0:47:54or doesn't attack anyone, it's unfair for that person, for

0:47:54 > 0:47:56them to have the content removed.

0:47:56 > 0:47:57So, what are we doing tonight?

0:47:57 > 0:47:58What's happening?

0:47:58 > 0:48:03Basically, we're in Beckton right now.

0:48:03 > 0:48:06About to film a guy called S-Rose, he's got a track called

0:48:06 > 0:48:07Last Night At The Six.

0:48:07 > 0:48:11We're doing it because this area is in E6, in Beckton.

0:48:11 > 0:48:14So, he's got a few luxury cars coming to show that it's

0:48:14 > 0:48:17a transition in the music scene, going from filming on a block

0:48:17 > 0:48:19to filming in a nice sort of atmosphere.

0:48:19 > 0:48:20OK.

0:48:20 > 0:48:23This sounds like it's got a bit of money behind it.

0:48:23 > 0:48:25This is just you messing about with a camera and him.

0:48:25 > 0:48:27Where does the money come from?

0:48:27 > 0:48:31Young entrepreneurs, man.

0:48:31 > 0:48:33The money's coming from Spotify, Apple Music, YouTube adds.

0:48:33 > 0:48:42That sort of stuff.

0:48:42 > 0:48:45Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, that's the Lambo and the Range...

0:48:45 > 0:48:47Ooh!

0:48:47 > 0:48:51S-Rose has his videos on Pacman's channel.

0:48:51 > 0:48:53He raps about gang life and spending time in prison.

0:48:53 > 0:48:56My name was Scumz, but obviously I've changed it to S-Rose now,

0:48:56 > 0:49:00because obviously I feel like I've risen from the person I was, so...

0:49:00 > 0:49:03S-Rose may have hired the Lamborghini, but for him,

0:49:03 > 0:49:05rapping in front of it represents a new life.

0:49:05 > 0:49:07I'm going to turn my negative into positive,

0:49:07 > 0:49:08you know what I'm saying?

0:49:08 > 0:49:11I can't rap about anything positive, because I haven't seen

0:49:11 > 0:49:12more of that life yet.

0:49:12 > 0:49:19But I'm going to rap about what I've been through,

0:49:19 > 0:49:22and actually let it change other people, like that,

0:49:22 > 0:49:23d'you know what I mean?

0:49:23 > 0:49:25That's the only way I can express myself.

0:49:25 > 0:49:28Throughout the shoot, neighbours come out to see what's going on.

0:49:28 > 0:49:30Some are happy and want to pose with the cars.

0:49:30 > 0:49:34Others want the group to move on.

0:49:34 > 0:49:36The people who live here, they're worried.

0:49:36 > 0:49:39Do you think they're going to complain about the noise?

0:49:39 > 0:49:40Noise level, yeah, it's high.

0:49:40 > 0:49:43Very, very high.

0:49:43 > 0:49:46They have gone to their beds.

0:49:46 > 0:49:48They are working.

0:49:48 > 0:49:51I just saw, when they know what's going on, they're kind of curious,

0:49:51 > 0:49:54or they might not want us to be around the area.

0:49:54 > 0:49:56But we've told them it's going to be fine.

0:49:56 > 0:49:59Surprisingly, no police have come at all, so it's been a good shoot.

0:49:59 > 0:50:05Is it a result when no police turn up?

0:50:05 > 0:50:07When police do turn up, it distresses the neighbours.

0:50:07 > 0:50:09They sort of think that there's an issue going on,

0:50:09 > 0:50:12when really it's just a bunch of guys trying to make

0:50:12 > 0:50:13some good music.

0:50:13 > 0:50:15It's early evening, so it's not a problem.

0:50:15 > 0:50:17I don't think, anyway.

0:50:17 > 0:50:19I've lived here for ten years, and this is a great

0:50:19 > 0:50:21place to take pictures.

0:50:21 > 0:50:23You know, the guys are just trying to make a living.

0:50:23 > 0:50:26They're trying to make some positive attitudes to the music scene.

0:50:26 > 0:50:28So, the residents that have a problem with that,

0:50:28 > 0:50:30I don't think they will.

0:50:30 > 0:50:34They're trying to make their lives a little bit better.

0:50:34 > 0:50:37So, ten minutes of a little bit of high music, let's roll with it.

0:50:37 > 0:50:40YouTube told us it's always been a place for creative expression,

0:50:40 > 0:50:43but it also has rules that are grossly enforced.

0:50:43 > 0:50:48They don't allow videos which promote violence or harass,

0:50:48 > 0:50:50bully or threaten, and to help them understand local context,

0:50:50 > 0:50:54they work closely with the Met police who flag up any videos

0:50:54 > 0:50:57they work closely with the Met Police, who flag up any videos

0:50:57 > 0:50:58which are genuine threat.

0:50:58 > 0:51:01Tallest Trapstar is a regular face on Pacman's YouTube channel,

0:51:01 > 0:51:04and says the contents of his videos are based on his experiences.

0:51:04 > 0:51:06He denies glamorising violence, even though his

0:51:06 > 0:51:11videos feature guns.

0:51:11 > 0:51:14I'm not using the guns to cause any violence.

0:51:14 > 0:51:15I'm not shooting anyone in my video.

0:51:15 > 0:51:20I'm not shooting the guns.

0:51:20 > 0:51:23It's just like a setting, it's just a scene, just like in a story,

0:51:23 > 0:51:25there's different scenes, different settings, so that's

0:51:25 > 0:51:30just part of the settings related the tune.

0:51:30 > 0:51:36I'm just trying to get somewhere which is far from the negative side,

0:51:36 > 0:51:40like all these things that people probably think of me,

0:51:40 > 0:51:42you get what I'm saying?

0:51:42 > 0:51:44That's not what we're here to do.

0:51:44 > 0:51:46We're here to help people, to bring everyone together,

0:51:46 > 0:51:49so I don't think these videos should be taken down, because it's just

0:51:49 > 0:51:50people's work, people's energy.

0:51:50 > 0:51:52Some people are trying to tell a story.

0:51:52 > 0:51:54Some people are actually just acting it out, do

0:51:54 > 0:51:56you get what I'm saying, because it's a form

0:51:56 > 0:51:58of entertainment, just like movies are,

0:51:58 > 0:52:00like when people make horror films,

0:52:00 > 0:52:02nobody's complaining about these, and these directors and creators

0:52:02 > 0:52:06of these movies, they get millions off this.

0:52:06 > 0:52:09Just because a guy from the area is making a tune about his upcoming

0:52:09 > 0:52:15and what he's been through, I don't think that's a bad thing.

0:52:15 > 0:52:19I think it's just a step forward in life, like an people

0:52:19 > 0:52:21to understand that people actually need help, do you get

0:52:21 > 0:52:22what I'm saying?

0:52:22 > 0:52:23# Somebody save me.

0:52:23 > 0:52:25# Save me...

0:52:25 > 0:52:28With the Met and the London Mayor's office claiming more needs to be

0:52:28 > 0:52:32done, Pacman knows that it's more than just his own fans who will be

0:52:32 > 0:52:33watching his videos closely.

0:52:33 > 0:52:35I don't really think music has that much of an influence

0:52:35 > 0:52:38on how people behave.

0:52:38 > 0:52:41I think because I actually ask these guys, why do they make music?

0:52:41 > 0:52:43Most of the guys told me they are just trying

0:52:43 > 0:52:46to express themselves, or trying to make some money and get

0:52:46 > 0:52:47out of their circumstances.

0:52:47 > 0:52:51And this is the best way how.

0:52:51 > 0:52:54After 10am, we'll hear from someone who's made videos for Stormzy

0:52:54 > 0:53:03and those who want to see YouTube remove more videos.

0:53:03 > 0:53:05The Supreme Court in London is due to announce any

0:53:05 > 0:53:07minute now its ruling on whether the Scottish Government

0:53:07 > 0:53:09can finally introduce minimum pricing for alcohol,

0:53:09 > 0:53:10to tackle binge-drinking.

0:53:10 > 0:53:14The case was brought by the Scotch Whisky Association,

0:53:14 > 0:53:20which argues that ministers at Holyrood should increase

0:53:20 > 0:53:22tax on alcohol, rather than discriminate against products

0:53:22 > 0:53:23because they are cheap.

0:53:23 > 0:53:25Whatever the decision it will have implications for other part

0:53:25 > 0:53:28of the UK which are looking at doing the same.

0:53:28 > 0:53:30We'll bring you the ruling as soon as it happens -

0:53:30 > 0:53:33but how much could it affect the cost of alcohol?

0:53:33 > 0:53:35You can buy a cheap bottle of wine for £3.75.

0:53:35 > 0:53:41But with the new minimum pricing, it would cost £4.50 -

0:53:41 > 0:53:45so that's an extra 75p.

0:53:45 > 0:53:52A mid-range bottle of vodka would currently cost about 15 quid.

0:53:52 > 0:53:55But if this new pricing is introduced it would cost £18.75 -

0:53:55 > 0:53:58that's an additional £3.75.

0:53:58 > 0:54:06You can pick up 20 bottles of beer for around ten quid in some shops,

0:54:06 > 0:54:09but under minimum pricing it would have to cost 13 pounds or more.

0:54:09 > 0:54:10And finally - the big one.

0:54:10 > 0:54:12A two-litre bottle of mid-range cider.

0:54:12 > 0:54:15That would normally cost £3.99, but in the future, it

0:54:15 > 0:54:18could have to sell for £7.50 - that's an extra £4.51.

0:54:18 > 0:54:27The minimum price would be set at 50p per unit of alcohol.

0:54:27 > 0:54:30Weekends beep to Dr Peter Wright, chair of the Scottish Health Action

0:54:30 > 0:54:39on Alcohol Problems, Sam Bowman from a right-leaning think-tank and Alys,

0:54:39 > 0:54:44whose mother was alcoholic throughout her childhood. Dr Peter

0:54:44 > 0:54:47Wright, why do you think the minimum pricing is a good idea?We for this

0:54:47 > 0:54:51ten years ago in the medical profession in Scotland because we

0:54:51 > 0:54:54saw the impact that some of these very cheap tanks that you're talking

0:54:54 > 0:55:01about, the mid-range cider, described as a 7.5% volume, the same

0:55:01 > 0:55:05alcohol as half a litre of spirits, and we were hearing from our

0:55:05 > 0:55:08patients with liver disease, addiction, families being affected

0:55:08 > 0:55:12by the drinking... We did not hear the strings being discussed in

0:55:12 > 0:55:15policy circles and we really wanted to shine a light and what was

0:55:15 > 0:55:18happening on the front line with these very heavy drinkers and we

0:55:18 > 0:55:21wanted to call for action. It was focused on the very cheapest drinks

0:55:21 > 0:55:24which do the most harm. We had good support from the Scottish

0:55:24 > 0:55:29Parliament.Is there a link between a minimum price per unit of alcohol

0:55:29 > 0:55:32and pricing problem drinkers out of the market?There is certainly a

0:55:32 > 0:55:36link on influencing their behaviour. People are sensitive to price, and

0:55:36 > 0:55:42that includes the heaviest renters. And we believe that minimum price...

0:55:42 > 0:55:46But if you are dependent it doesn't matter what the price is?Not true.

0:55:46 > 0:55:50I have spent many years working with heavy drinkers and they are heavily

0:55:50 > 0:56:00price dependent. These heavy drinkers' drinking increased as the

0:56:00 > 0:56:04prices fell and we have very good grounds to believe it will fall as

0:56:04 > 0:56:11the price rises.Sam Bowman, there is the evidence?You can look at the

0:56:11 > 0:56:15evidence but I think the evidence is junk and some of the figures are

0:56:15 > 0:56:19bogus. One being that problem drinkers are not just a sensitive to

0:56:19 > 0:56:22price but more sensitive than anybody else. That seems totally

0:56:22 > 0:56:25counterintuitive. If you look at the general evidence around problem

0:56:25 > 0:56:32drinking, it is actually that they are very insensitive to price. They

0:56:32 > 0:56:35are the least likely people to reduce drinking because of price.

0:56:35 > 0:56:39The people who WILL get hit by this are people like my dad, who drinks

0:56:39 > 0:56:45maybe one or two cans of lager in the evening, people like me, I quite

0:56:45 > 0:56:48enjoy those £4 bottles of wine because I am a cheapskate and I like

0:56:48 > 0:56:51to have a glass of wine in the evening, and people watching at

0:56:51 > 0:56:55home, who might be on tight incomes and might not have had a pay rise in

0:56:55 > 0:56:59the last couple of years and enjoy being able to have a glass of wine

0:56:59 > 0:57:02or a couple of beers watching the match. And pricing is unjust because

0:57:02 > 0:57:06it targets the bottom of the market only. Rich people cause problems

0:57:06 > 0:57:10when they drink and they spend more money on alcohol and they actually

0:57:10 > 0:57:14drink more than people. But this policy does nothing to affect

0:57:14 > 0:57:18middle-class and rich people.I'm going to bring in Alys. Hello,

0:57:18 > 0:57:22thanks for talking to us. What role do you think cheap drink played in

0:57:22 > 0:57:28your mother's alcoholism?I think that having alcohol that was so

0:57:28 > 0:57:33accessible in a period of time when my mother wasn't working, she could

0:57:33 > 0:57:38still afford to go out and buy alcohol because it was so cheap. I

0:57:38 > 0:57:42understand what Sam Bowman was saying, if you have a drink problem,

0:57:42 > 0:57:46then you are still going to go and buy it. However I think it is going

0:57:46 > 0:57:50to deter you, you're going to think twice about the fact that the drink

0:57:50 > 0:57:55is more expensive. Especially for maybe people who are more, like

0:57:55 > 0:57:58people who are on the streets, for example. Who have got alcohol

0:57:58 > 0:58:01problems. It's going to be more difficult and it might make people

0:58:01 > 0:58:10want to get help more.Is that fair, Dr Peter Wright?Absolutely. I think

0:58:10 > 0:58:13what we are talking about is making the slippery slope a bit less

0:58:13 > 0:58:19slippery and a bit less steep. For the latter part of my career I

0:58:19 > 0:58:22worked with many doctors with alcohol problems, and they drink the

0:58:22 > 0:58:25cheap stuff. Once they got into heavy drinking they gradually went

0:58:25 > 0:58:29down the same way as everyone else. So the notion that well off people

0:58:29 > 0:58:35don't drink cheap alcohol is just not correct.Well off people also

0:58:35 > 0:58:39drink expensive alcohol. Poor people only drink cheap alcohol, that is

0:58:39 > 0:58:46the point.What is impossible for me to accept is that people in Glasgow,

0:58:46 > 0:58:48Blackpool, Middlesbrough, Rhondda Valley, but cheap alcohol is doing

0:58:48 > 0:58:53these communities a favour. Alcohol can take people at the age of 55, so

0:58:53 > 0:58:57these communities are losing many people in the middle of their

0:58:57 > 0:59:02working lives. Families are losing individuals. The death rate went up

0:59:02 > 0:59:06considerably in the early part of the century on the back of cheap

0:59:06 > 0:59:09supermarket alcohol and I cannot see that you can argue that these cheap

0:59:09 > 0:59:13drinks have been doing these deprived parts of our country a

0:59:13 > 0:59:17favour.We are still waiting for the ruling. We are expecting it any

0:59:17 > 0:59:23moment. As soon as it happens and as soon as it is handed down in the

0:59:23 > 0:59:26Supreme Court, we will bring that to you live. Thank you very much for

0:59:26 > 0:59:27being on the programme. Let's have a

0:59:27 > 0:59:31being on the programme. Let's have a look at the weather, with Carol.

0:59:31 > 0:59:36Good morning. We really have mixed fortunes in the weather this

0:59:36 > 0:59:42morning. Some of us have drizzle whilst others will be starting off

0:59:42 > 0:59:48on a sunny note. The cloud across Wales, south-west England and

0:59:48 > 0:59:51Northern Ireland will continue to break and we will have sunny spells

0:59:51 > 0:59:56developing in the afternoon. We will hang on the cloud across the

0:59:56 > 1:00:00Midlands and the south-east. Later in the day, a new band of rain will

1:00:00 > 1:00:05come across Scotland accompanied by gusty winds. And that will be

1:00:05 > 1:00:07sinking southwards across all of Scotland and Northern Ireland

1:00:07 > 1:00:11through the course of the night, with colder conditions following on

1:00:11 > 1:00:20behind. Tomorrow will be brightening up and the weather front will

1:00:20 > 1:00:24continue to trundle down towards the south-east. Ahead of it we've got

1:00:24 > 1:00:27sunshine in the south, still in milder conditions and behind it,

1:00:27 > 1:00:35cooler. Some of the showers in the north and west of Scotland will be

1:00:35 > 1:00:37wintry in nature.

1:00:38 > 1:00:40Hello, it's Wednesday, it's 10am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

1:00:40 > 1:00:43Our top story this morning - the army in Zimbabwe has seized

1:00:43 > 1:00:46control of the country but denies it has staged a coup.

1:00:46 > 1:00:48President Robert Mugabe, the man who has ruled the country

1:00:48 > 1:00:55with an iron fist for decades, has been detained.

1:00:55 > 1:01:02As soon as we have accomplished our mission, we expect that the

1:01:02 > 1:01:07situation will return to normal assy. We wish to make it abundantly

1:01:07 > 1:01:14clear that this is not a military takeover of government.We will

1:01:14 > 1:01:18bring you all latest on the story in the next few minutes.

1:01:18 > 1:01:21We'll be taking a look at the films being shown in schools

1:01:21 > 1:01:23warning about the dangers of child sexual exploitation.

1:01:23 > 1:01:25They are so graphic and realistic that some say they're

1:01:25 > 1:01:28traumatising children.

1:01:28 > 1:01:36One day I woke up naked in a strange town. No money. No mobile. Nothing.

1:01:36 > 1:01:39Life became a blur.

1:01:39 > 1:01:44We'll speak to one parent who said her daughter was left

1:01:44 > 1:01:47traumatised after she showed her one of the films.

1:01:47 > 1:01:50And in a few moments we are joined by Strictly star

1:01:50 > 1:01:52Alexandra Burke and her dance partner Gorka Marquez.

1:01:52 > 1:02:05If you have got a question for them do get in touch.

1:02:06 > 1:02:09Our top story today is the breaking news from Zimbabwe,

1:02:09 > 1:02:13where the military has seized control of the country

1:02:13 > 1:02:16in what it is claiming is not a coup, but a "bloodless transition".

1:02:16 > 1:02:17Reports say Zimbabwe's President Robert Mugabe

1:02:17 > 1:02:19and his family have been detained.

1:02:19 > 1:02:22After taking over state TV, an army spokesman said

1:02:22 > 1:02:24President Mugabe and his family were "safe", but that it was

1:02:24 > 1:02:26targeting people close to him who had caused "social

1:02:26 > 1:02:34and economic suffering".

1:02:34 > 1:02:36The move came after President Mugabe sacked his deputy -

1:02:36 > 1:02:39a rival to his wife Grace in the struggle to be

1:02:39 > 1:02:40the country's next leader.

1:02:40 > 1:02:50Our correspondent Milton Nkosi is in neighbouring South Africa.

1:02:51 > 1:02:58So this is a battle to to see who takes over from President Mugabe,

1:02:58 > 1:03:05the world's oldest state leader? Yes, indeed. The 93-year-old

1:03:05 > 1:03:10president was clearing the way for his wife, Grace to take over as

1:03:10 > 1:03:17Vice-President and in the process he sacked a liberation struggle hero

1:03:17 > 1:03:22who has his deputy and that is what has triggered the events we have

1:03:22 > 1:03:28seen coming from the military. They felt that it was unacceptable that

1:03:28 > 1:03:32Grace Mugabe, who was once a typist in Robert Mugabe's...

1:03:32 > 1:03:37PROBLEM WITH SOUND Unfortunately, the, as you can see,

1:03:37 > 1:03:45the line has frozen. I do apologise. We will try and get back to Milton

1:03:45 > 1:03:50as soon as we can. We will keep you updated. In fact, we can go back to

1:03:50 > 1:03:58Milton. I apologise, you were half-way through the answer. This is

1:03:58 > 1:04:02a battle for who succeeds Robert Mugabe?Yes, indeed, what I was

1:04:02 > 1:04:07saying Victoria there, the military found it unacceptable that Grace

1:04:07 > 1:04:11Mugabe, who was once a typist in Robert Mugabe's office was likely to

1:04:11 > 1:04:17become head of state, pushing away a liberation struggle hero and that's

1:04:17 > 1:04:29what triggered the events that we've been seeing in the last few hours.

1:04:29 > 1:04:37What does Grace mugry represent? What the Army is concerned about is

1:04:37 > 1:04:41the people who fought against white minority rule in the liberation

1:04:41 > 1:04:45struggle. They want those people to keep going because they feel that

1:04:45 > 1:04:49this struggle has not yet ended. Remember, there were land invasions

1:04:49 > 1:04:55in Zimbabwe a few years ago because they felt that white communities

1:04:55 > 1:05:00still owned too much of the land in comparison to local indigenous

1:05:00 > 1:05:06communities. So, they want the liberation struggle momentum to keep

1:05:06 > 1:05:11going and they felt that Grace Mugabe who does not have liberation

1:05:11 > 1:05:15struggle credentials could not be the head of state.

1:05:15 > 1:05:18Thank you very much, Milton, thank you.

1:05:18 > 1:05:22More on Zimbabwe through the programme.

1:05:22 > 1:05:24In the meantime, here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom

1:05:24 > 1:05:26with the rest of today's news.

1:05:26 > 1:05:29Unemployment fell by 59,000 between July and September to 1.42 million,

1:05:29 > 1:05:33official figures show.

1:05:33 > 1:05:36The jobless rate now stands at 4.3%, but the number of people classed

1:05:36 > 1:05:39as economically inactive - those not in work and not seeking

1:05:39 > 1:05:41a job - rose by the most in nearly eight years.

1:05:41 > 1:05:49Average earnings increased by 2.2% in the year to September.

1:05:49 > 1:05:51The interim leader of the Labour Party in Scotland,

1:05:51 > 1:05:53Alex Rowley, has stepped aside from the role amid claims

1:05:53 > 1:05:54about his conduct.

1:05:54 > 1:05:59Mr Rowley said he "totally refuted" allegations from a former partner

1:05:59 > 1:06:04published in the Scottish Sun newspaper who said their

1:06:04 > 1:06:05relationship "felt like emotional blackmail and abuse".

1:06:05 > 1:06:08The MSP for Mid Scotland and Fife has referred himself to the party's

1:06:08 > 1:06:10investigations unit.

1:06:10 > 1:06:13The UK's highest court is due to give its verdict shortly

1:06:13 > 1:06:15on whether Scotland can finally enforce its policy of minimum

1:06:15 > 1:06:19pricing for alcohol.

1:06:19 > 1:06:22Legislation was approved by the Scottish parliament five

1:06:22 > 1:06:25years ago, but it has been tied up in court challenges amid claims it

1:06:25 > 1:06:27breaches European law.

1:06:27 > 1:06:29Ministers say a 50-pence-per-unit minimum would help tackle

1:06:29 > 1:06:36what they called Scotland's "unhealthy relationship" with drink.

1:06:36 > 1:06:38Australians have overwhelmingly backed legalising same-sex marriage

1:06:38 > 1:06:42in an historic poll.

1:06:42 > 1:06:44People took to the streets to celebrate the result,

1:06:44 > 1:06:47after more than 60% voted in favour of allowing same-sex couples to wed.

1:06:47 > 1:06:53More than 12.7 million people took part in the non-binding postal vote.

1:06:54 > 1:06:57The husband of Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe,

1:06:57 > 1:07:03the British woman being held in Iran after visiting her family there,

1:07:03 > 1:07:05is meeting the Foreign Secretary, Boris Johnson, this morning

1:07:05 > 1:07:08to discuss her continued imprisonment.

1:07:08 > 1:07:10Mr Johnson apologised after mistakenly claiming

1:07:10 > 1:07:13Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe had been training journalists

1:07:13 > 1:07:15when she was arrested in Tehran in April last year.

1:07:15 > 1:07:17Her family says the comments could result in another five years

1:07:17 > 1:07:19being added to her jail term.

1:07:19 > 1:07:22The meeting will focus on the UK Government's efforts

1:07:22 > 1:07:26to secure her release on humanitarian grounds.

1:07:27 > 1:07:31The family of the British explorer, Benedict Allen, say he's gone

1:07:31 > 1:07:35missing during an expedition to Papua New Guinea.

1:07:35 > 1:07:38His wife says he missed his flight home and hasn't been heard

1:07:38 > 1:07:40from in three weeks.

1:07:40 > 1:07:42Mr Allen, who has made numerous documentaries for the BBC,

1:07:42 > 1:07:44had been trying to track down an indigenous tribe

1:07:44 > 1:07:48for a new programme.

1:07:48 > 1:07:58That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.30am.

1:08:02 > 1:08:07Breaking news to do with the minimum pricing of alcohol.

1:08:07 > 1:08:12And the Supreme Court which as you know is the UK's highest court has

1:08:12 > 1:08:15rejected a challenge against plans to use minimum pricing for alcohol

1:08:15 > 1:08:18to improve public health in Scotland which means the Scottish Government

1:08:18 > 1:08:25have won. They will be introducing a minimum pricing for alcohol. It was

1:08:25 > 1:08:28the Scotch Whisky Association that were challenging it. That has been

1:08:28 > 1:08:37thrown out by the highest court in the land. In a unanimous judgment.

1:08:37 > 1:08:41Seven supreme justices said the Holyrood legislation did not breach

1:08:41 > 1:08:46European law and they ruled that the measure was a proportionate means of

1:08:46 > 1:08:51achieving a legitimate aim. It is likely to be introduced as quickly

1:08:51 > 1:08:56as possible. The legal battle is now over.

1:08:56 > 1:09:03Here's some sport now with Will.

1:09:03 > 1:09:05Martin O'Neill will speak to the Irish Football Association about his

1:09:05 > 1:09:11future. The Republic were thrashed by Denmark last night. It started

1:09:11 > 1:09:17really well. Sha is Shane Duffy putting the Irish one up, but poor

1:09:17 > 1:09:22defending let the Danes back in. Look at that, 4-1, Christian

1:09:22 > 1:09:27Eriksson ended up with a hat-trick. That's Denmark celebrating their

1:09:27 > 1:09:31place at Russia 2018. A young England side played out a nil-nil

1:09:31 > 1:09:35draw this time against Brazil at Wembley. There were few chances, but

1:09:35 > 1:09:39that one late on came close to marking his debut with a goal near

1:09:39 > 1:09:44the end. A youthful Welsh side impressed in their friendly with

1:09:44 > 1:09:49Panama. Tom Laurence putting the Welsh ahead in Cardiff, but in the

1:09:49 > 1:09:5594th minute, the visitors who, unlike Wales, are going to the World

1:09:55 > 1:10:01Cup, equaliser through Hooper. The countdown is on to the first

1:10:01 > 1:10:07Ashes Test. Eight days to go until that first game and Chris Woakes

1:10:07 > 1:10:15took six wickets on the first day of England's warm up match. A couple of

1:10:15 > 1:10:22wickets for Craig Overton. Picking up wickets today is always

1:10:22 > 1:10:26nice. I felt like I was better last week than I was the previous week in

1:10:26 > 1:10:33Perth. The Adelaide game was a pink ball so that's different. I felt

1:10:33 > 1:10:37like today it came out pretty nicely. It is good for me. It gives

1:10:37 > 1:10:42me a little bit of confidence. I felt in decent rhythm. Yeah, I could

1:10:42 > 1:10:46take a bit of confidence from that. It is the second innings. Continue

1:10:46 > 1:10:49to work on that and be ready for next week.That's all for now,

1:10:49 > 1:10:58Victoria, I will have the headlines for you the 10.30am.

1:10:58 > 1:11:01Around ten million of us watch Strictly Come Dancing each week

1:11:01 > 1:11:03and this year's series hasn't disappointed so far at all.

1:11:03 > 1:11:05We've had shock exits, amazing dances and accusations of over

1:11:05 > 1:11:07and under-marking from judges.

1:11:07 > 1:11:09Alexandra Burke and her partner Gorka are amongst the favourites

1:11:09 > 1:11:12to win this year and I'm delighted to say they're with us

1:11:12 > 1:11:18here this morning.

1:11:19 > 1:11:23# Far away from the cold night air

1:11:23 > 1:11:29# With one enormous chair

1:11:29 > 1:11:33# Oh, wouldn't it be lovely #

1:11:42 > 1:11:44# You make me feel

1:11:48 > 1:11:52# You make me feel

1:11:52 > 1:11:55# You make me feel...

1:11:55 > 1:12:03# Like a natural woman #

1:12:09 > 1:12:11Are you all right?

1:12:11 > 1:12:12I know.

1:12:12 > 1:12:15I know.

1:12:15 > 1:12:16I wish my mum was here.

1:12:16 > 1:12:17I know, baby.

1:12:17 > 1:12:21I know.

1:12:21 > 1:12:29And here they are - Alexandra and Gorka.

1:12:29 > 1:12:35How are you?Good to see you too. How are you? Nice to meet you.

1:12:35 > 1:12:40Right, take a seat. OK. Well done so far.Thank you.Incredible. Every

1:12:40 > 1:12:45week incredible. Argentine tango, skill, passion, how difficult is it

1:12:45 > 1:12:48to learn something like that?It's hard. I found it quite difficult. I

1:12:48 > 1:12:53loved it. I absolutely enjoyed every single moment of learning the

1:12:53 > 1:12:57routine, but it is, it's a hard one. They are all quite challenging,

1:12:57 > 1:13:02aren't they?Every dance is different, but I think yesterday

1:13:02 > 1:13:06talking between us, the Argentine tango it was the hardest up until

1:13:06 > 1:13:10now because we had a section of the stairs which it was very hard to do

1:13:10 > 1:13:15it.Why do you put a hard section in there?This is the thing. To make it

1:13:15 > 1:13:19different.Every week is better and better so I have to come up with

1:13:19 > 1:13:25better things to make her improve. Yeah, absolutely. It has paid off,

1:13:25 > 1:13:31you're going to Blackpool! What can we expect, Gorka?Fast footwork.

1:13:31 > 1:13:39Faster steps. Running around. A lot of fun.OK.We are doing the

1:13:39 > 1:13:42quickstep and I'm loving the quickstep because I have too much

1:13:42 > 1:13:45energy most of the time. So the fact that we get to run around the stage

1:13:45 > 1:13:50and jump up and down, I'm in my element.How many hours a day are

1:13:50 > 1:13:53you rehearsing?Ten hours a day, today we have only got seven.That's

1:13:53 > 1:13:58our fault. Sorry.Not at all because we are doing another show later, but

1:13:58 > 1:14:04we try our best to get as much time as possible. We are committed to

1:14:04 > 1:14:08making sure we can be the best team that we can. Really. I am having a

1:14:08 > 1:14:14lot of fun.Really eventful. We say that every year, there is always

1:14:14 > 1:14:18stuff going going on. There is a new head judge, Shirley. Lots of people

1:14:18 > 1:14:23adore her. She is warm. She's got some really good technical advice.

1:14:23 > 1:14:28Some people said though she has been under marking some of the

1:14:28 > 1:14:35contestants, what do you say?I always say to Alex, the judges are

1:14:35 > 1:14:37four different persons with different opinions. All of them have

1:14:37 > 1:14:41knowledge and they know about dancing and they know what they are

1:14:41 > 1:14:45talking about, but it is just opinions, you can take it positively

1:14:45 > 1:14:52or take it negative. It's up to you, but it is just for opinions.I think

1:14:52 > 1:14:55constructive criticism, I crave for it, I'm always asking for more ways

1:14:55 > 1:14:59that I can prove and that's me as a perfectionist. Gorka we are the same

1:14:59 > 1:15:02star sign, but for me, when they give a mark or they give, whether it

1:15:02 > 1:15:06is high or low, it's great when it's high, but if it's low, you have to

1:15:06 > 1:15:10ask them what the reason is and try your best to improve on that and I

1:15:10 > 1:15:13think I'm just happy getting whatever we get really and I want to

1:15:13 > 1:15:15enjoy the experience and enjoy the dance and remember what we're doing.

1:15:15 > 1:15:22My concern is remembering! But saving Mollie, not aston. A

1:15:22 > 1:15:28shocker.I was very sad because I love Aston. We used to train

1:15:28 > 1:15:35together every day. But they have their own reasons and I have to

1:15:35 > 1:15:43judge on that dance and if Mollie was better than aston.They are both

1:15:43 > 1:15:46amazing people and everyone knows my history with aston. I have known him

1:15:46 > 1:15:52for nearly ten years now. So it was very, very sad to see him go, but at

1:15:52 > 1:15:55the same time, Mollie danced beautifully well and they were

1:15:55 > 1:16:06amazing and for them it was a hard decision, very hard.

1:16:06 > 1:16:16X

1:16:17 > 1:16:20Factor has X Factor had its day?I don't think so, I went in

1:16:20 > 1:16:21Factor has X Factor had its day?I don't think so, I went in for it

1:16:21 > 1:16:24when I was 16 and then again when I was 19th and Ally won the show. It

1:16:24 > 1:16:29is the reason I had my career. So for me, it gives so many people a

1:16:29 > 1:16:33chance in music to be creative. And I say that it is a fantastic show.

1:16:33 > 1:16:39But why do you think Strictly beats it every week?I have no idea! I

1:16:39 > 1:16:44think it is because may be Strictly is a family show which can involve

1:16:44 > 1:16:48all the different ages.But X Factor is a family show! Yeah, I think it

1:16:48 > 1:16:53is.But sometimes when using, if you don't like the style of the music

1:16:53 > 1:16:56adulthood what it. Dance, everybody likes to dance, do you know what I

1:16:56 > 1:17:08mean?Gorka, can I ask you to set the record straight on this rumour

1:17:08 > 1:17:12of romance with Gemma?There is nothing, friends. It's like if I ask

1:17:12 > 1:17:17Alexandra to go for breakfast or a coffee, nothing else.And can I ask

1:17:17 > 1:17:19you to set the record straight about weather you are cross about those

1:17:19 > 1:17:23rumours?The thing is, I wasn't cross about the rumours, because

1:17:23 > 1:17:27rumours are rumours. And in this industry it is what it is. But I

1:17:27 > 1:17:31think what is more upsetting and hurtful is reading how so many

1:17:31 > 1:17:35things can be so negative, and I'm such a positive person. And I love

1:17:35 > 1:17:39life and regardless of whatever I go through in life, I try to have the

1:17:39 > 1:17:43best outlook on life, because that's what keeps me going, really. So, to

1:17:43 > 1:17:48read negative things about diva and all that stuff, it's upsetting to

1:17:48 > 1:17:51read. But then I have to go, hopefully people won't believe

1:17:51 > 1:17:56everything they read.You're not a diva?! Not at all! You have dealt

1:17:56 > 1:18:03with adversity incredibly over the last few months.Thank you.And we

1:18:03 > 1:18:06can see from watching you on the programme, you wear your heart on

1:18:06 > 1:18:10your sleeve.We saw the clip where you were crying about your mum - how

1:18:10 > 1:18:18are you? I'm OK. Taking each day, and I don't sake each day at a time,

1:18:18 > 1:18:21I say each hour at a time, to be honest. But I have a wonderful

1:18:21 > 1:18:26foundation in the sense of my family and friends of boyfriend and of

1:18:26 > 1:18:30course Gorka. And I am surrounded by amazing, loving people who care. And

1:18:30 > 1:18:34I care about them, and that's what gets me through the day. If I need a

1:18:34 > 1:18:38moment, Gorka can see it in my eyes. Yesterday he was like, are you all

1:18:38 > 1:18:43right? I was going through, mentally, you know... But Gorka is

1:18:43 > 1:18:46always good for me, and we're having the best time, and that's keeping me

1:18:46 > 1:18:51happy.You do have to be sensitive about that with your celebrity dance

1:18:51 > 1:18:57partner Pata, don't you?Of course. And each week we get to know each

1:18:57 > 1:19:01other better and better. So I know what she needs and she knows when I

1:19:01 > 1:19:03need anything. It is just communicating with each other.

1:19:03 > 1:19:07Sometimes it is not only dance. Maybe sometimes we have an hour

1:19:07 > 1:19:17break just to talk to each other. And a biscuit!I want to ask you

1:19:17 > 1:19:23about the accusations of racism amongst the voting public, so about

1:19:23 > 1:19:27viewers, with black dancers getting knocked out in this series and in

1:19:27 > 1:19:31previous series very early on and some people on Twitter saying, it is

1:19:31 > 1:19:36because the great British public is racist. What do you say as a black

1:19:36 > 1:19:39woman about that?I think that is really harsh to be honest with you.

1:19:39 > 1:19:43I don't think that is true at all and those kind of keys Asians

1:19:43 > 1:19:46against amazing shows like this I think is wrong. For a black person

1:19:46 > 1:19:52who is in the industry and... For me, I've had a wonderful nine years

1:19:52 > 1:19:55of being in this industry, and hoping to achieve more with hard

1:19:55 > 1:19:59work and determination. And I don't think it comes down to colour, I

1:19:59 > 1:20:03don't see colour when I see music or TV shows. I think that is so

1:20:03 > 1:20:06important not to see that. At the end of the day we might be different

1:20:06 > 1:20:10colours but we are all the same, was in all human. And humans have the

1:20:10 > 1:20:13same emotions and I think it is wrong to project that out there to

1:20:13 > 1:20:17the universe.In your time in the industry have you experienced

1:20:17 > 1:20:23racism?Not at all. So I can't speak from a place like that. Because I've

1:20:23 > 1:20:26experienced such positivity and love and I'm very lucky to receive that.

1:20:26 > 1:20:32Have you experienced sexual harassment?No.There have been so

1:20:32 > 1:20:36many edges Asians in music and film and politics?Yeah, I was very sad

1:20:36 > 1:20:40to hear about that, especially for women and sometimes it could be men.

1:20:40 > 1:20:43But no, I've never experienced that thankfully.Gorka have you

1:20:43 > 1:20:52experienced it?No.OK. You have been a performer most of your life,

1:20:52 > 1:20:56I think I was reading you started doing stuff when you were five?

1:20:56 > 1:21:01Yeah, I started singing when I was five.There are other people on the

1:21:01 > 1:21:04show who have had performing backgrounds, dancing backgrounds -

1:21:04 > 1:21:08what do you say to those who say it is kind of not fair because you're

1:21:08 > 1:21:11used to being on the stage?Being on the stage and singing is very

1:21:11 > 1:21:14different to what I do now. Unfortunately I don't have my

1:21:14 > 1:21:18comfort kit which is my microphone! When I'm doing my own show, if I

1:21:18 > 1:21:23make a mistake which often I do, I can just stop routine and what from

1:21:23 > 1:21:27side to side and sing! In this show, of course, it's not the same, I'm

1:21:27 > 1:21:30completely out of my comfort zone. But what gets me through it is

1:21:30 > 1:21:34really having the support of Gorka and the support of the show

1:21:34 > 1:21:39all-round, trying to give me encouragement. All of us, not just

1:21:39 > 1:21:42me, every contestant gets that encouragement and love and support.

1:21:42 > 1:21:46I just think I'm not trained. People have said that apparently I am but

1:21:46 > 1:21:52I'm not. I'm just enjoying what I'm doing, loving the experience and the

1:21:52 > 1:21:59journey and I've got a great teacher!Gorka, ex-dancers have said

1:21:59 > 1:22:04that someone like Darren Gough or Mark Ramprakash could not win

1:22:04 > 1:22:07Strictly now because so many people do have some kind of dancing

1:22:07 > 1:22:12background, like Debbie McGee, trained at the royal ballet school?

1:22:12 > 1:22:15I think it doesn't matter where you come from, because it is a

1:22:15 > 1:22:19completely different style. If a football player, if you ask him to

1:22:19 > 1:22:23play basketball, he is a sportsman, he can play football but he won't be

1:22:23 > 1:22:26able to play basketball. Because he doesn't have the knowledge. She

1:22:26 > 1:22:34knows how to sing, how to perform, another one like Debbie McGee has

1:22:34 > 1:22:39ballet knowledge from before, but it is not ballroom. I am a ballroom

1:22:39 > 1:22:43dancer, if you ask me to do a ballet dancer, I will not be able to do it

1:22:43 > 1:22:47because I have never been trained as a ballet dancer, it is different.A

1:22:47 > 1:22:51quick couple of questions. From Twitter... This person wants to know

1:22:51 > 1:22:57- do you choose your own music?We have a team on Strictly and then

1:22:57 > 1:23:02with Alexandra and myself, we choose our favourite songs, which ones we

1:23:02 > 1:23:05would like to dance. And with the team we work on it and hopefully we

1:23:05 > 1:23:10get one which we like!And this one wants to know - are you going on the

1:23:10 > 1:23:17Strictly tour?I don't know.Who is going to win Strictly this year?

1:23:17 > 1:23:23Hopefully us but we don't know!We will see! Listen, thank you both

1:23:23 > 1:23:32very much.Thank you for having us. We've got some breaking news for you

1:23:32 > 1:23:37here. And it is to do with the former cabinet secretary Carl

1:23:37 > 1:23:42Sargent from the what a Sunday. His family have released a statement

1:23:42 > 1:23:48saying that they have been overwhelmed by the support they have

1:23:48 > 1:23:51received following his death. He was found dead at his home four days

1:23:51 > 1:24:02after claims of inappropriate behaviour. On the part of the

1:24:02 > 1:24:05family, Carl Sargeant's sun has said, this has been the hardest week

1:24:05 > 1:24:10of our lives. It is difficult to imagine how we would have coped

1:24:10 > 1:24:15without the support of the community and dad'sfriends from across Wales.

1:24:15 > 1:24:18We have had so many messages of support from people who had met dad

1:24:18 > 1:24:23once or those who had never met him at all but knew from others what a

1:24:23 > 1:24:26kind, caring and genuine man he was. Knowing how much doubt was loved has

1:24:26 > 1:24:30helped us bear the pain. That is a statement from the family of Carl

1:24:30 > 1:24:41Sargeant. The Supreme Court has ruled this morning that the Scottish

1:24:41 > 1:24:45Government CAN proceed with its plan to impose minimum pricing on

1:24:45 > 1:24:50alcoholic tanks. It will have an impact on other plans to bring in

1:24:50 > 1:24:54minimum pricing right across the UK. We can speak to our correspondent

1:24:54 > 1:24:58now. So, this battle is over, the Scottish governorate have won - what

1:24:58 > 1:25:02does it mean?Well, I think it means that the Scottish Government is now

1:25:02 > 1:25:07free to bring in that policy which it has been arguing for for many

1:25:07 > 1:25:10years, really for seven or eight years when they first put the first

1:25:10 > 1:25:14proposal forward. The legislation came through in 2012 and now,

1:25:14 > 1:25:22finally after this five-year legal battle with the Scotch Whisky

1:25:22 > 1:25:25Association, all the legal hurdles have been overcome and they can

1:25:25 > 1:25:28bring this policy into practice.How soon will it be?We do not know that

1:25:28 > 1:25:33exactly that. What the Health Minister in Scotland has said is

1:25:33 > 1:25:39that there will be a consultation, in particular on the fact that the

1:25:39 > 1:25:44minimum price per unit on alcohol is set at the moment at 50p per unit.

1:25:44 > 1:25:50That was what they set it at in 2012. They may decide that is no

1:25:50 > 1:25:53longer appropriate because of factors like inflation, but as soon

1:25:53 > 1:25:57is they can bring it in they will and they will see it as a major

1:25:57 > 1:26:01victory. It was one of the key health policies which the Scottish

1:26:01 > 1:26:04Government has had over the last decade or so and they have finally

1:26:04 > 1:26:08achieved it, against this at all with big multinational drugs

1:26:08 > 1:26:14companies and the Scotch Whisky Association. So I think Nicola

1:26:14 > 1:26:17Sturgeon, the First Minister, will be delighted that one of her

1:26:17 > 1:26:29flagship policies is actually going to come into force.Thank you.

1:26:31 > 1:26:33Films being shown in schools which warn about the dangers

1:26:33 > 1:26:35of child sexual exploitation are being criticised

1:26:35 > 1:26:37for being so graphc and realistic that they're traumatising children.

1:26:37 > 1:26:39The films - shown in secondary schools -

1:26:39 > 1:26:42are meant to serve as a hard-hitting warnings about the dangers

1:26:42 > 1:26:43of being groomed and exploited.

1:26:43 > 1:26:45This is one such film called My Dangerous Loverboy,

1:26:45 > 1:26:48about a young girl who falls into the trap of a sexually

1:26:48 > 1:26:51exploitive relationship, here's a trailer for it -

1:26:51 > 1:27:01which is in itself fairly graphic...

1:27:03 > 1:27:04DANCE MUSIC PLAYS.

1:27:04 > 1:27:06Love.

1:27:06 > 1:27:07Sex.

1:27:07 > 1:27:08Betrayal.

1:27:08 > 1:27:10Friendship.

1:27:10 > 1:27:15Trust.

1:27:15 > 1:27:18My Dangerous Lover Boy is a hard-hitting film that

1:27:18 > 1:27:20will raise awareness of the internal trafficking of vulnerable young

1:27:20 > 1:27:24girls like me into the sex trade.

1:27:24 > 1:27:30He was exciting, gave me presents, alcohol, and had a sick car.

1:27:30 > 1:27:32We'd been out one night drinking and having a good time

1:27:32 > 1:27:34when he asked me to be...

1:27:34 > 1:27:36nice to his friend.

1:27:36 > 1:27:39I thought he loved me.

1:27:39 > 1:27:45Then one day I woke up naked in a strange town.

1:27:45 > 1:27:47No money, no mobile, nothing.

1:27:47 > 1:27:49Life became a blur.

1:27:49 > 1:27:59I couldn't see how the nightmare would ever end.

1:28:10 > 1:28:12Joining us now...

1:28:12 > 1:28:15Cath Knibbs has taught in schools on child sexual exploitation and is

1:28:15 > 1:28:17a cyber trauma psychotherapist.

1:28:17 > 1:28:22She has concerns about some films shown in schools.

1:28:22 > 1:28:26Jon Brown is the head of development and impact at the NSPCC and believes

1:28:26 > 1:28:28such films are important resources to teachers when covering child

1:28:28 > 1:28:30sexual exploitation.

1:28:30 > 1:28:32We're also joined by Claire Jones, who showed one of these films

1:28:32 > 1:28:35to her 11-year-old daughter, who then felt

1:28:35 > 1:28:42traumatised afterwards.

1:28:42 > 1:28:45Starting with you, Claire Jones, widely due show your 11-year-old one

1:28:45 > 1:28:50of these films?I think we are all increasingly aware of the dangers of

1:28:50 > 1:28:53child sex exploitation. And I can't actually remember where I got the

1:28:53 > 1:29:00advice from, but I knew that this resource had been produced, in my

1:29:00 > 1:29:04case it had been produced by Leicestershire Police. So I knew it

1:29:04 > 1:29:08was a legitimate resource and I knew it was targeted at her age group.

1:29:08 > 1:29:14And I thought it was a good way of starting the conversation, a

1:29:14 > 1:29:19conversation that we would need to have about this topic. So I showed

1:29:19 > 1:29:23her the film and she was very hurt by it and immediately turned around

1:29:23 > 1:29:27and asked me why I had shown her such a dreadful thing. Sabina you

1:29:27 > 1:29:35immediately that I had made a mistake in my parenting.Cath

1:29:35 > 1:29:41Knibbs, you have concerns about these films, but as Claire Jones

1:29:41 > 1:29:43said, there are reputable organisations who back them, like

1:29:43 > 1:29:56Leicestershire Police, for example. And the and a species eat we know

1:29:56 > 1:29:58that there is a large proportion of children in classrooms who are the

1:29:58 > 1:30:03victims of sexual explication and also victims either historic or

1:30:03 > 1:30:08current of child sexual abuse.And also there are children in

1:30:08 > 1:30:11classrooms who will be victims of other kinds of trauma. And one of

1:30:11 > 1:30:15the issues with these kinds of videos is that the way the brain

1:30:15 > 1:30:19processes images is, it goes straight through to what is known is

1:30:19 > 1:30:27the unconscious part of the brain. And I have been in a classroom when

1:30:27 > 1:30:30the company I was working for showed one of these films and I have

1:30:30 > 1:30:36witnessed three or four children have trauma response is partly to My

1:30:36 > 1:30:39Dangerous Loverboy. And it is about the context and how we actually show

1:30:39 > 1:30:43these films.So, it is not the films themselves, it is the way they're

1:30:43 > 1:30:48being delivered, it is the talking from the adults around it?No. It is

1:30:48 > 1:30:54both. It is the actual content.It is the content, Jon Brown, it is too

1:30:54 > 1:31:02much?It can be. Our experience at the NSPCC is that film and drama can

1:31:02 > 1:31:06play a really important role in working with young people, dealing

1:31:06 > 1:31:10with sexual exploitation and the impact of it and also helping to

1:31:10 > 1:31:13prevent it and helping to advise about warning signs.What sort of

1:31:13 > 1:31:22age groups, though?It needs to be age-appropriate. Showing a film like

1:31:22 > 1:31:24My Dangerous Loverboy to primary school children could well be

1:31:24 > 1:31:27inappropriate.It is not being shown to primary school children, it is

1:31:27 > 1:31:32going into secondary schools, but despite that Cath Knibbs still

1:31:32 > 1:31:41thinks it is too much.

1:31:41 > 1:31:46It needs to be across a range of other interventions. That's what we

1:31:46 > 1:31:49do with our Respect programme which is being evaluated, evidence is

1:31:49 > 1:31:54really important and we need more evidence to engage the effectiveness

1:31:54 > 1:31:57of the work that's being under taken and we need to engage the

1:31:57 > 1:32:02effectiveness more. The use of film appropriately judged and

1:32:02 > 1:32:04appropriately assessed with young people can be used to positive

1:32:04 > 1:32:09effect.Kath, is there an age group where you would show the films? In

1:32:09 > 1:32:14secondary schools?In short, and the way I have had to work with clients

1:32:14 > 1:32:18in my therapy, no. I think what we need to do is produce films that

1:32:18 > 1:32:21talk about perpetrator's behaviours. I think we have got it the wrong way

1:32:21 > 1:32:26around. What we are trying to do is...

1:32:26 > 1:32:31PROBLEM WITH SOUND The line has gone funny. I'm really

1:32:31 > 1:32:34sorry, Kath, but we understand your message and Clare, thank you very

1:32:34 > 1:32:37much for coming on the programme as well. Thank you and John Brown, we

1:32:37 > 1:32:47appreciate your time. Thank you. John Brown from the NSPCC.

1:32:47 > 1:32:48Still to come:

1:32:48 > 1:32:50The rap and grime artists who say they're worried they're

1:32:50 > 1:32:52being targeted unfairly for videos which are accused of glamorising

1:32:52 > 1:32:55gun and knife crime.

1:32:55 > 1:33:05The US secretary of state, Rex Tillerson, is in Myanmar

1:33:05 > 1:33:11for talks with Aung Sang Suu Kyi and the head of the Armed Forces.

1:33:11 > 1:33:14Our top story today is the breaking news from Zimbabwe,

1:33:14 > 1:33:16where the military has seized control of the country

1:33:16 > 1:33:20in what it is claiming is not a coup but a "bloodless transition".

1:33:20 > 1:33:21Reports say Zimbabwe's President Robert Mugabe

1:33:21 > 1:33:24and his family have been detained.

1:33:24 > 1:33:26After taking over state TV, an army spokesman said

1:33:26 > 1:33:29President Mugabe and his family were "safe", but that it was

1:33:29 > 1:33:31targeting people close to him who had caused "social

1:33:31 > 1:33:36and economic suffering".

1:33:36 > 1:33:38The move came after President Mugabe sacked his deputy,

1:33:38 > 1:33:42a rival to his wife Grace in the struggle to be

1:33:42 > 1:33:50the country's next leader.

1:33:50 > 1:33:53The Foreign Secretary has been speaking about the situation there.

1:33:53 > 1:33:58Well, we are monitoring the situation very closely as you can

1:33:58 > 1:34:02imagine and our ambassador has been in touch to say if UK nationals are

1:34:02 > 1:34:07worried, they should get in touch with our embassy. At the moment it

1:34:07 > 1:34:11is very fluid and it is hard to say exactly how this will turn out. I

1:34:11 > 1:34:16think the most important point to make is that everybody wants to see

1:34:16 > 1:34:22a stable and successful Zimbabwe and I think we are really appealing for

1:34:22 > 1:34:25everybody to refrain from violence. That's the crucial thing.

1:34:25 > 1:34:27BBC Africa's Nick Ericsson has been monitoring events here,

1:34:27 > 1:34:30and he's with me now.

1:34:30 > 1:34:34Could this be be the end of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe?

1:34:34 > 1:34:38Victoria, it is a very difficult question to answer. As with much

1:34:38 > 1:34:40that has happened in Zimbabwe particularly over the last 15 years,

1:34:40 > 1:34:47it is very, very unpredictable, the consensus seems to be that what

1:34:47 > 1:34:50happened last night and in the early hours of this morning was

1:34:50 > 1:34:57unexpected. Robert Mugabe is in a very difficult position. It has come

1:34:57 > 1:35:03down to him versus the military. Him versus the veterans of the struggle

1:35:03 > 1:35:10for liberation in Zimbabwe which is a struggle which I suppose key to

1:35:10 > 1:35:14the fabric of Zimbabwean identity. The war veterans, those who fought

1:35:14 > 1:35:17for liberation in Zimbabwe against colonial rule say that they have

1:35:17 > 1:35:22been pushed out of government. They have been purged in favour of Robert

1:35:22 > 1:35:26Mugabe's wife and by extension, the youth wing of the party and they

1:35:26 > 1:35:35feel like they are not being given a say in events and you remember 15

1:35:35 > 1:35:38years war veterans raised a similar situation with Robert Mugabe about

1:35:38 > 1:35:44not being paid and what resulted was violent land invasions so I think we

1:35:44 > 1:35:48are at a crisis point and whether or not it is the end of Robert mg bee,

1:35:48 > 1:35:54it is certainly the end of Robert Mugabe we knew last week. We maybe

1:35:54 > 1:35:58going into a few fewer where Robert Mugabe is president in name only and

1:35:58 > 1:36:03certainly not in power and certainly with the power of his wife seriously

1:36:03 > 1:36:07severely curtailed.And in the meantime it would appear that the

1:36:07 > 1:36:11man Robert Mugabe sacked recently, the Vice-President, who was a

1:36:11 > 1:36:14significant figure in the liberation, is, has been installed

1:36:14 > 1:36:19by the military?Well, we are not sure. Again, it is hard to say.

1:36:19 > 1:36:23Sorry to keep coming back to that. That's my default position with

1:36:23 > 1:36:28Zimbabwe.It is fine.He was in South Africa in exile after he was

1:36:28 > 1:36:31sacked. There are a number of suggestions on social media that he

1:36:31 > 1:36:36is back in Zimbabwe now. There are strong suggestions that the military

1:36:36 > 1:36:39support him and back him. When we talk about war veterans, he

1:36:39 > 1:36:45certainly was one. He was fighting in Zimbabwe's bush. He was side by

1:36:45 > 1:36:50side with Robert Mugabe for many, many years he was one of his closest

1:36:50 > 1:36:53allies which is why the shock of what happened last week continued to

1:36:53 > 1:36:59reverberate. So, in all likelihood, he is back in Zimbabwe and in all

1:36:59 > 1:37:03likelihood he is about to become a lot more empowered than he has been

1:37:03 > 1:37:08of late.Cheers, Nick, thank you very much.

1:37:08 > 1:37:13Any more developments on that story, we will bring to you.

1:37:13 > 1:37:16In the last half hour, the UK's Supreme Court

1:37:16 > 1:37:17has given the go-ahead for the Scottish Government

1:37:17 > 1:37:19to implement minimum pricing for alcohol

1:37:19 > 1:37:22by rejecting a legal challenge to the policy.

1:37:22 > 1:37:24Legislation was approved by the Scottish parliament five years ago.

1:37:24 > 1:37:26Scottish Government ministers say that pricing alcohol

1:37:26 > 1:37:28at a 50-pence-per-unit minimum will help tackle what they call

1:37:28 > 1:37:35Scotland's "unhealthy relationship" with drink.

1:37:35 > 1:37:38Unemployment fell by 59,000 between July and September to 1.42 million,

1:37:38 > 1:37:41official figures show.

1:37:41 > 1:37:45The jobless rate now stands at 4.3% but the number of people classed

1:37:45 > 1:37:50as economically inactive - those not in work and not seeking

1:37:50 > 1:37:54a job - rose by the most in nearly eight years.

1:37:54 > 1:37:57Average earnings increased by 2.2% in the year to September.

1:37:57 > 1:38:00The interim leader of the Labour Party in Scotland,

1:38:00 > 1:38:03Alex Rowley, has stepped aside from the role amid claims

1:38:03 > 1:38:07about his conduct.

1:38:07 > 1:38:10Mr Rowley said he "totally refuted" allegations from a former partner

1:38:10 > 1:38:14published in the Scottish Sun newspaper who said their

1:38:14 > 1:38:17relationship "felt like emotional blackmail and abuse".

1:38:17 > 1:38:20The MSP for Mid Scotland and Fife has referred himself to the party's

1:38:20 > 1:38:28investigations unit.

1:38:28 > 1:38:30That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

1:38:30 > 1:38:35Here's some sport now with Will.

1:38:35 > 1:38:39The Republic of Ireland manager Martin O'Neill will speak to the

1:38:39 > 1:38:42Irish Football Association about his future. The Republic were thrashed

1:38:42 > 1:38:465-1 last night. They had the lead in Dublin. O'Neill's assistant Roy

1:38:46 > 1:38:51Keane and O'Neill himself, they signed contract extensions last

1:38:51 > 1:38:55month to remain until the euro 2020 campaign. England held bra zoul a

1:38:55 > 1:39:02goalless draw in a friendly at Wembley following from their nil-nil

1:39:02 > 1:39:11at Germany. Another manager whose future is in

1:39:11 > 1:39:16doubt is the Wales boss, Chris Coleman.

1:39:16 > 1:39:22Last night's game might have been his last in charge.

1:39:22 > 1:39:27And with just eight days before the first Ashes Test in Brisbane, Chris

1:39:27 > 1:39:32Woakes took six wickets as England were made to field all day by a

1:39:32 > 1:39:40cricket Australia 11. The hosts were 249-9 at stumps.

1:39:40 > 1:39:42The Metropolitan Police and the London Mayor's office say

1:39:42 > 1:39:45more needs to be done to take down violent music videos from YouTube,

1:39:45 > 1:39:48and that "lives could depend" on the rapid removal of those

1:39:48 > 1:39:52showing gangs making threats and inciting violence.

1:39:52 > 1:39:53But those making content argue that the violence,

1:39:53 > 1:39:57drugs and gang life which feature are just a reflection of the lives

1:39:57 > 1:40:03they lead and shouldn't be removed.

1:40:03 > 1:40:06In rare and exclusive access, Andy Jones has been speaking to some

1:40:06 > 1:40:08of the rappers and directors involved in the scene

1:40:08 > 1:40:09to get their take.

1:40:09 > 1:40:12His film contains flashing images and footage which some people

1:40:12 > 1:40:13may find offensive.

1:40:13 > 1:40:16I've been filming videos, I've seen...

1:40:16 > 1:40:18I've seen people pull out some serious weapons.

1:40:18 > 1:40:20I've seen guys get shot.

1:40:20 > 1:40:30Pacman runs his own YouTube music platform.

1:40:31 > 1:40:34In the past, he's worked with gangs, but he wants to show us

1:40:34 > 1:40:35another side to his work.

1:40:35 > 1:40:37It's all about them just broadcasting themselves,

1:40:37 > 1:40:40showing that, showing what they've got to offer, what they

1:40:40 > 1:40:43bring to the table.

1:40:43 > 1:40:45Everyone wants good exposure at a high standard, and that's

1:40:45 > 1:40:47what I'm offering to them.

1:40:47 > 1:40:50I know that when I've shot videos, all of them have said to me, Pacman,

1:40:50 > 1:40:53that's why I like him, because you come anywhere.

1:40:53 > 1:40:55Other cameramen, they try to get through to them, either they're

1:40:55 > 1:40:58scared or they won't come or they're picking sides with someone that that

1:40:58 > 1:41:02person's not cool with, but I don't care about all that stuff.

1:41:02 > 1:41:06There is concern from the London Mayor's office that some

1:41:06 > 1:41:08videos posted on YouTube in particular can incite violence

1:41:08 > 1:41:10and build up tensions between gangs.

1:41:10 > 1:41:12Sophie Linden is the deputy mayor for policing and crime.

1:41:12 > 1:41:15She didn't speak to us about Pacman's channel, but did talk

1:41:15 > 1:41:18to us about their campaign to tackle gang violence online.

1:41:18 > 1:41:21These are tensions in communities and amongst gangs that are very,

1:41:21 > 1:41:26very able to take violent measures.

1:41:26 > 1:41:28Gangs are using YouTube to make threats and intimidation

1:41:28 > 1:41:31and harassment and sometimes incite violence.

1:41:31 > 1:41:37They're putting videos up and may seem to be fairly innocuous,

1:41:37 > 1:41:39but the Metropolitan Police have experts and they believe

1:41:39 > 1:41:42and have asked YouTube to take some of them down

1:41:42 > 1:41:52because they do insight violence.

1:41:57 > 1:42:00Just because a guy from the area is making a tune about his upcoming

1:42:00 > 1:42:03and what he's been through, I don't think that's a bad thing.

1:42:03 > 1:42:05Tallest Trapstar is a regular face on Pacman's YouTube channel,

1:42:05 > 1:42:08and says the contents of his videos are based on his experiences.

1:42:08 > 1:42:10He denies glamorising violence, even though his

1:42:10 > 1:42:11videos featured guns.

1:42:11 > 1:42:13I'm not using the guns to cause any violence.

1:42:13 > 1:42:15I'm not shooting anyone in my video.

1:42:15 > 1:42:18I'm not shooting the guns, that is just part of the setting

1:42:18 > 1:42:20is related to the tune, so I don't think these videos

1:42:20 > 1:42:22should be taken down, because it's just people's

1:42:22 > 1:42:23work, people's energy.

1:42:23 > 1:42:25Some people are trying to tell a story.

1:42:25 > 1:42:29Some people are actually just acting it out, do you know what I'm saying?

1:42:29 > 1:42:31Because it's a form of entertainment.

1:42:31 > 1:42:34There is no suggestion the people we spoke to condone violence

1:42:34 > 1:42:37or are involved in gangs, but online rap, its imagery

1:42:37 > 1:42:40and its lyrics still has the power to divide.

1:42:40 > 1:42:43Critics say it glamorises violence and criminality.

1:42:43 > 1:42:48Fans say music videos are just that, music, and a vital artistic

1:42:48 > 1:42:51expression of the lives some young people lead.

1:42:51 > 1:42:54I don't know really think music has that much of an influence

1:42:54 > 1:42:56on how people behave.

1:42:56 > 1:42:59I think because I actually ask these guys, why do they make music?

1:42:59 > 1:43:01Most of the guys told me they are just trying

1:43:01 > 1:43:04to express themselves, or trying to make some money and get

1:43:04 > 1:43:05out of their circumstances.

1:43:05 > 1:43:15And this is the best way how.

1:43:17 > 1:43:24The latest from Zimbabwe. According to a French news agency, the

1:43:24 > 1:43:27President of South Africa, Jacob Zuma has had a conversation with

1:43:27 > 1:43:32President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe. And president Zuma says that Mr

1:43:32 > 1:43:35Mugabe is under house arrest in Zimbabwe.

1:43:35 > 1:43:40This is a statement just in. President Zuma goes on to say that

1:43:40 > 1:43:45the Zimbabwean military appear to have taken control of the country.

1:43:45 > 1:43:51President Zuma has spoken to President Mugabe and Jacob Zuma says

1:43:51 > 1:43:55that President Mugabe is under house arrest, the military say they are

1:43:55 > 1:43:58detaining President Mugabe for his own safety. Clearly, much more to

1:43:58 > 1:44:04come on that throughout the day here on BBC News.

1:44:04 > 1:44:08Let's speak now to Jermaine Lawlor, is a former gang member and rapper.

1:44:08 > 1:44:12He's now a youth worker.

1:44:12 > 1:44:15Sarah Castro, who is the Director of Development and External Affairs,

1:44:15 > 1:44:18Safer London which is a charity working to prevent and address gang

1:44:18 > 1:44:20violence.

1:44:20 > 1:44:22Shan Brown, who as well as making music videos

1:44:22 > 1:44:28for up and coming artists, has worked on videos featuring Stormzy,

1:44:28 > 1:44:29Krept and Konan.

1:44:29 > 1:44:35And to Madders Tiff who is a grime artist.

1:44:35 > 1:44:39Sarah what's wrong with the content? They are violent and promoting

1:44:39 > 1:44:43violence and they are promoting violence on the street and

1:44:43 > 1:44:49encouraging gang violence in London. OK. Is that true?I believe in some

1:44:49 > 1:44:53cases it maybe true, but in some ways I believe that artists are just

1:44:53 > 1:44:57expressing themselves the same way a director can write a film and it can

1:44:57 > 1:45:02be on Netflix. I don't understand where if it has got a concept and

1:45:02 > 1:45:07fits in and they have changed their life and it is not promoting

1:45:07 > 1:45:11violence, I believe it shouldn't be getting taken down because the

1:45:11 > 1:45:15artists put mime and money.Do you think some of them, if you are being

1:45:15 > 1:45:21honest, do they promote violence?

1:45:21 > 1:45:24This is real life, this is what people are going through?Does that

1:45:24 > 1:45:29mean it is promoting violence?I don't think it is, I don't think

1:45:29 > 1:45:32enough people know what is going on in the world.How is it promoting

1:45:32 > 1:45:41violence, in your view, Sarah Castro?In some case they are

1:45:41 > 1:45:45calling out gangs in other areas and in some cases they actually named

1:45:45 > 1:45:48people that they want to have violence with and those are the

1:45:48 > 1:45:52videos that we have real concerns about that we want to have removed.

1:45:52 > 1:45:57You used to be a rapper, and now you are a youth worker, Jermaine Lawlor,

1:45:57 > 1:46:01what do you think about them but? Some of them are quite violent but

1:46:01 > 1:46:05it is a former self exposure in. These young men and are coming from

1:46:05 > 1:46:08real life, these are real life stories. Also we have to understand

1:46:08 > 1:46:11that a lot of these rappers don't deliver what they talk about, it is

1:46:11 > 1:46:15entertainment. Taking the video down is only tackling it at the surface.

1:46:15 > 1:46:19What about the radio stations that remote this music, what about the

1:46:19 > 1:46:25record labels that make millions and millions out of this music?What

1:46:25 > 1:46:29about the example Sarah Castro gave where some gangs are actually named,

1:46:29 > 1:46:34and she says it is leading to violence on the streets?I believe

1:46:34 > 1:46:37they should be getting help instead of taking the music down, not giving

1:46:37 > 1:46:41them an expert nation or not doing anything. The same people who are

1:46:41 > 1:46:44targeting them to take them down should approach these people and

1:46:44 > 1:46:48give them the help they need, because they are trying to change

1:46:48 > 1:46:52their lives and do something positive with the music.I feel we

1:46:52 > 1:46:59are focusing too much on the negative. Just sitting here talking

1:46:59 > 1:47:02about it, we're giving them thousands of views of. We need to

1:47:02 > 1:47:06talk about the positive role models in the music industry, there's a lot

1:47:06 > 1:47:09of us and we want to inspire. Instead of focusing on these and

1:47:09 > 1:47:13giving them more views, why don't we just ignore it, because it is

1:47:13 > 1:47:18ridiculous, some of them?Would you back YouTube taking some of them

1:47:18 > 1:47:23down?I would say, you know, within reason. If there was a video that

1:47:23 > 1:47:30went viral of somebody being abused or attacked, 100%. But music, you

1:47:30 > 1:47:34don't know, you can't make a judgment just from watching a video

1:47:34 > 1:47:37because of the video content. How about we go into these communities

1:47:37 > 1:47:41and talk to the people and find out what the real reason is. Rather than

1:47:41 > 1:47:45just removing them, because this is a way that people express

1:47:45 > 1:47:49themselves. My sun is 11 years old and sometimes he watches these

1:47:49 > 1:47:53little videos and we just kind of laugh at them. I have taught him

1:47:53 > 1:47:57right and wrong, I am a good parent, and it starts at home. If your child

1:47:57 > 1:48:02goes watches a music video and then wants to commit an offence, I blame

1:48:02 > 1:48:05the parents.What if you are a parent who doesn't really care about

1:48:05 > 1:48:11your kid?That is where we need to do more as a There's a lot of people

1:48:11 > 1:48:13people struggling, people are poor out there and it starts from the

1:48:13 > 1:48:19government I would say.You can be poor and be a brilliant parent.Of

1:48:19 > 1:48:23course you can but people are struggling and turning to a life of

1:48:23 > 1:48:28crime just to put food on the table. We see our mums and dads struggling

1:48:28 > 1:48:32and working three or four jobs. It is unfortunate that people go down

1:48:32 > 1:48:35the gangs route. A lot of the time I reckon people are a group of

1:48:35 > 1:48:40friends. We need to stop labelling groups of children as gangs, because

1:48:40 > 1:48:45who wants that? You don't ask to be born and then already you've been

1:48:45 > 1:48:51labelled. It is unfair.Also I think these young men need an outlet, they

1:48:51 > 1:48:54need a way of expressing the trauma and pain and day-to-day experiences

1:48:54 > 1:48:58of that lifestyle, and music is a platform to express yourself and

1:48:58 > 1:49:02have that outlet. The problem I have is that young people that watch

1:49:02 > 1:49:05these videos and cannot differentiate between fiction and

1:49:05 > 1:49:10nonfiction so they believe that this Scarface narrative, they believe in

1:49:10 > 1:49:16it. Again, what has been discussed, we are tackling it at the surface by

1:49:16 > 1:49:21taking it down - what about finding these communities and working with

1:49:21 > 1:49:25these young individuals?We don't know their story. Has anyone want to

1:49:25 > 1:49:29take the time out and get to know their story and help them? Because I

1:49:29 > 1:49:33do. There are a lot of us in the industry, lets focus more on the

1:49:33 > 1:49:38good.And I think also with hip-hop, it has lost its way. It could have

1:49:38 > 1:49:43been used to discuss social inequalities, Unifi people and

1:49:43 > 1:49:47spread messages of love and hope to get it is not being maximised with

1:49:47 > 1:49:50the message that is coming.That is a whole other area we could talk

1:49:50 > 1:50:02about one of the day! Thank you very much for coming on the programme.

1:50:02 > 1:50:04The US Ssecretary of State, Rex Tillerson, is in Myanmar

1:50:04 > 1:50:14or talks with Aung Sang Suu Kyi and the head of the armed forces.

1:50:16 > 1:50:22On a visit to the region he pledged more than $400 million in aid to

1:50:22 > 1:50:33help the Rohingya refugees who have fled to Bangladesh since August.

1:50:33 > 1:50:36So, is the international community doing enough?

1:50:36 > 1:50:38Tun Khin is from the Rohingya Muslim ethnic minority and has

1:50:38 > 1:50:40family and friends currently fleeing the country.

1:50:40 > 1:50:43Stephen Twigg MP - the Labour chair of parliament's

1:50:43 > 1:50:44international development committee, which has just launched

1:50:44 > 1:50:46an investigation into the crisis.

1:50:46 > 1:50:49And Matthew Smith, from the human rights organisation, Fortify Rights,

1:50:49 > 1:50:53who's just left Cox's Bazar, where hundreds of thousands

1:50:53 > 1:50:59of Rohingya refugees are living.

1:50:59 > 1:51:05Thank you very much for coming on the programme. Tun Khin, tell us

1:51:05 > 1:51:08about the situation with your family and friends first of all?What we

1:51:08 > 1:51:17are hearing right now is that the Rohingya people are fleeing. The

1:51:17 > 1:51:22Rakhine co-operation with the birdies military and security forces

1:51:22 > 1:51:28raiding Rohingya houses and burning them every day. Already hundreds of

1:51:28 > 1:51:37villages already since August. And there is no safety, security. And

1:51:37 > 1:51:42Rohingya influential people arrested by the Burmese military, many

1:51:42 > 1:51:51disappeared already. And extortion is increasing. People are dying.

1:51:51 > 1:51:58There is no food, the restriction of aid is a serious issue and so the

1:51:58 > 1:52:02situation is not getting better at all.Stephen Twigg, why do you need

1:52:02 > 1:52:06to launch an investigation into this crisis, we know what's going on, you

1:52:06 > 1:52:11just need to do something about it? Absolutely, the scale of this crisis

1:52:11 > 1:52:15is breathtaking. More than 600,000 Rohingya have fled into neighbouring

1:52:15 > 1:52:19Bangladesh. But this has been building up for years.So, plenty of

1:52:19 > 1:52:23chance to do something?Absolutely, the world has failed. We took

1:52:23 > 1:52:27evidence yesterday from Human Rights Watch, who highlighted four years

1:52:27 > 1:52:31ago evidence of ethnic cleansing. Why do you think the international

1:52:31 > 1:52:34community is doing nothing?I think the international community

1:52:34 > 1:52:38struggles to cope with more than one crisis at a time. There has been a

1:52:38 > 1:52:42big focus on Syria. You have also got governments like the Chinese

1:52:42 > 1:52:44government which have been supportive of the regime in Burma.

1:52:44 > 1:52:49We need to put pressure on the government in Burma, both cheap but

1:52:49 > 1:53:00also the military to stop, stop it now.Matthew, tell us about the

1:53:00 > 1:53:05conditions in the camps, briefly, if you would?There has been a

1:53:05 > 1:53:08tremendous influx of people, 700,000 over the course of a few weeks.

1:53:08 > 1:53:13There are tremendous needs - shelter, food, health care. There

1:53:13 > 1:53:19are tens of thousands of unaccompanied minors just roaming

1:53:19 > 1:53:23freely through these camps. So, there are tremendous protection

1:53:23 > 1:53:29concerns. And people are still fleeing, as Stephen twig and Tun

1:53:29 > 1:53:34Khin said. We put out a report today documenting mounting evidence of the

1:53:34 > 1:53:38crime of genocide in Myanmar. And unfortunately the abuse has

1:53:38 > 1:53:43continued.Does it help that Rex Tillerson is bringing attention to