0:00:07 > 0:00:09Hello, it's Friday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Tina Daheley,
0:00:09 > 0:00:13welcome to the programme.
0:00:13 > 0:00:16Theresa May meets fellow EU leaders in Sweden today where she's expected
0:00:16 > 0:00:18to come under pressure over the Brexit negotiations.
0:00:18 > 0:00:22We'll be live in Gothenburg.
0:00:22 > 0:00:32Also this morning we'll have the latest from Zimbabwe
0:00:35 > 0:00:39We speculation is intense over the long-term future of Robert McGarr
0:00:39 > 0:00:42Bay, and the military is still in control.
0:00:42 > 0:00:44The Zimbabwe Defence Forces, the ZDF, say significant progress
0:00:44 > 0:00:46has been made in their operation, adding that they have accounted
0:00:46 > 0:00:49for some of the criminals around President Robert Mugabe in order
0:00:49 > 0:00:51to bring them to justice since they were committing crimes
0:00:51 > 0:00:54that are causing social and economic suffering in the country
0:00:54 > 0:00:55while others are still at large.
0:00:55 > 0:00:58We'll hear from Zimbabweans who were forced to flee from the country.
0:00:58 > 0:01:01And we'll meet the British military dog who's receiving the animal
0:01:01 > 0:01:07equivalent of the Victoria Cross for saving lives in Afghanistan.
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0:01:39 > 0:01:42Our top story today - the Brexit Secretary, David Davis,
0:01:42 > 0:01:45has told the BBC it's time for other European Union countries
0:01:45 > 0:01:46to compromise on Brexit.
0:01:46 > 0:01:48He's refused to comment on reports that the Government could scrap it's
0:01:48 > 0:01:52plan to write into law the date when Britain will leave the EU.
0:01:52 > 0:01:59Meanwhile, Theresa May is in Sweden this morning.
0:01:59 > 0:02:02She's with other EU leaders.
0:02:02 > 0:02:06Let's chat with our Political Correspondent Leila Nathoo.
0:02:06 > 0:02:14What can we expect today?We I are expecting the same from David Davis
0:02:14 > 0:02:18today, he says that they have made all the movement so far at our end,
0:02:18 > 0:02:22Theresa May saying it is time for the EU to respond positively, and I
0:02:22 > 0:02:26think we are really trying to see a concerted effort building up now to
0:02:26 > 0:02:30get these talks moving on to trade. They are stalling on the basis of a
0:02:30 > 0:02:34lack of resolution of the three key issues the EU wants to see movement
0:02:34 > 0:02:38on, the rights of EU citizens, the Irish border and the crucial issue
0:02:38 > 0:02:43of the divorce Bill. David Davis, the Brexit secretary, suggesting it
0:02:43 > 0:02:47is up to the EU now to show flexibility.
0:02:52 > 0:02:56It is always in a negotiation, you want the other side, mice, I want
0:02:56 > 0:03:00them to compromise! But we have made quite a lot of compromises, on the
0:03:00 > 0:03:05Citizens' rights Rod, we have made all the running. We have made the
0:03:05 > 0:03:10running in terms of things like the right to vote, where the European
0:03:10 > 0:03:14Union doesn't seem to be able to agree that everybody involved, the 3
0:03:14 > 0:03:17million Europeans in Britain and the million Brits abroad, should be able
0:03:17 > 0:03:21to vote, they can't do that. So we have been offering some quite
0:03:21 > 0:03:37creative, arises. We haven't always got that back.Theresa May is in
0:03:37 > 0:03:39Sweden holding talks with Donald Tusk, she is trying to persuade him
0:03:39 > 0:03:44to gear up to move the talks on as well, but he is expected to warn her
0:03:44 > 0:03:47that there is no guarantee the EU leaders will agree to that, and we
0:03:47 > 0:03:50have been hearing within the last half an hour also from the Irish
0:03:50 > 0:03:54Foreign Minister who is saying that the EU doesn't believe they are in a
0:03:54 > 0:03:58place right now to allow the talks to move on to that second phase, so
0:03:58 > 0:04:04I think in these weeks before that EU summit in the middle of December,
0:04:04 > 0:04:07where all hopes are pinned that the EU will give the green light to move
0:04:07 > 0:04:12those trade talks on, I think in the intervening weeks, we will see a lot
0:04:12 > 0:04:15of effort going on behind-the-scenes to really try to persuade EU leaders
0:04:15 > 0:04:20to change their minds.Leila, thank you very much indeed.
0:04:20 > 0:04:22Annita McVeigh is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary
0:04:22 > 0:04:24of the rest of the day's news.
0:04:24 > 0:04:26Thank you. Good morning, everyone.
0:04:26 > 0:04:27Zimbabwe's President, Robert Mugabe, is reportedly refusing
0:04:27 > 0:04:29to step down immediately, despite growing calls
0:04:29 > 0:04:30for his resignation.
0:04:30 > 0:04:33The 93-year-old was put under house arrest during a military takeover
0:04:33 > 0:04:35on Wednesday amid a power struggle over who would succeed him.
0:04:35 > 0:04:38Yesterday he met the head of army but the outcome
0:04:38 > 0:04:44of the talks is not yet clear.
0:04:45 > 0:04:47Police investigating the disappearance of a teenager
0:04:47 > 0:04:49in Dorset are continuing to question a man arrested yesterday
0:04:49 > 0:04:52on suspicion of her murder.
0:04:52 > 0:04:5619-year-old Gaia Pope was last seen in Swanage ten days ago.
0:04:56 > 0:04:58The 49-year-old suspect is believed to be known to Gaia.
0:04:58 > 0:05:04Our correspondent James Ingham is in Swanage.
0:05:04 > 0:05:07James, watch the latest that the police are saying about this
0:05:07 > 0:05:14investigation?Well, Annita, they say that they are still
0:05:14 > 0:05:18investigating every avenue that is available to them, so that may mean
0:05:18 > 0:05:21that guy is missing, but clearly they have reason to believe that she
0:05:21 > 0:05:27has come to harm. Clothes were found that appeared to match those that
0:05:27 > 0:05:32she was last seen wearing, they were found on a coastal footpath by a
0:05:32 > 0:05:36walker yesterday, and searches are continuing this morning. The police
0:05:36 > 0:05:41and also volunteers joining them. Also around here you can see this is
0:05:41 > 0:05:45a small coastal seaside town, inland rescue teams are helping with those
0:05:45 > 0:05:51searches, and so our coastal rescue teams. Police still have this one
0:05:51 > 0:05:55man under arrest in custody, arrested on suspicion of murder. He
0:05:55 > 0:05:59is a third person from the same family to have been questioned, two
0:05:59 > 0:06:04other people have been released but he is still being questioned. And
0:06:04 > 0:06:08the community around here still very much hopeful that this will end with
0:06:08 > 0:06:18good news. The family of guy telling us yesterday -- the family of Gaia
0:06:18 > 0:06:23telling us yesterday that they still remain hopeful.
0:06:23 > 0:06:27James, thank you very much.
0:06:27 > 0:06:30More than one million credit card users, who are struggling
0:06:30 > 0:06:32financially, have had their credit limits raised in the last year
0:06:32 > 0:06:35without being asked - according to the charity, Citizens Advice.
0:06:35 > 0:06:37It wants the Chancellor to ban increases which haven't been
0:06:37 > 0:06:39requested in his Budget next week.
0:06:39 > 0:06:41Card companies say they've agreed to abide by a voluntary code
0:06:41 > 0:06:45of conduct to protect customers.
0:06:45 > 0:06:48The pay packages of senior police officers have been published
0:06:48 > 0:06:49in a central database for the first time.
0:06:49 > 0:06:52Figures for 261 officers up to the rank of Chief Constable,
0:06:52 > 0:06:54reveal wide variations - Some receive thousands
0:06:54 > 0:06:56of pounds in benefits, a small number claim large sums
0:06:56 > 0:07:02in expenses and others are paid nothing but a salary.
0:07:02 > 0:07:04The figures have been published by the Home Office as part
0:07:04 > 0:07:06of an attempt to increase transparency across forces
0:07:06 > 0:07:08in England and Wales.
0:07:11 > 0:07:15The actor Sylvester Stallone has denied sexually assaulting
0:07:15 > 0:07:18a 16-year-old girl in a hotel room in Las Vegas in 1986.
0:07:18 > 0:07:20He was responding to reports giving details of a police account
0:07:20 > 0:07:21of the teenager's claims.
0:07:21 > 0:07:26No action was taken against the actor at the time.
0:07:26 > 0:07:27Sylvester Stallone's spokeswoman said it was
0:07:27 > 0:07:31a "categorically false story".
0:07:32 > 0:07:34Conservationists in the United States have strongly
0:07:34 > 0:07:36criticised a decision by President Trump to end a ban
0:07:36 > 0:07:38on importing body parts from elephants hunted
0:07:38 > 0:07:41in Zimbabwe and Zambia.
0:07:41 > 0:07:43A federal government agency said imports could resume
0:07:43 > 0:07:46today for elephants that are legally hunted.
0:07:46 > 0:07:49The US Fish and Wildlife Service said hunting fees could help
0:07:49 > 0:07:51communities put money into conservation, but experts say
0:07:51 > 0:07:56that populations of African elephants are plummeting.
0:07:59 > 0:08:01The electric car maker, Tesla, has unveiled the prototype
0:08:01 > 0:08:07of a new articulated lorry.
0:08:07 > 0:08:09The vehicle, known as a semi-trailer, can travel
0:08:09 > 0:08:11for 500 miles on a single charge.
0:08:11 > 0:08:14The company has also publicised what it says will be the fastest
0:08:14 > 0:08:15production car ever made.
0:08:15 > 0:08:17Our technology reporter Dave Lee reports.
0:08:18 > 0:08:21This is the new Tesla Semi.
0:08:27 > 0:08:32ROCK MUSIC.
0:08:32 > 0:08:34It will travel 500 miles on a single charge,
0:08:34 > 0:08:37and Elon Musk thinks it will make electric the new king of the road.
0:08:37 > 0:08:39The thing that looks like it's not moving...
0:08:39 > 0:08:40LAUGHTER.
0:08:40 > 0:08:42Is a diesel truck.
0:08:42 > 0:08:44But he has been under a lot of pressure
0:08:44 > 0:08:45lately.
0:08:45 > 0:08:48His company isn't yet making cars quickly enough to meet demand
0:08:48 > 0:08:50and so this new truck could be another distraction
0:08:50 > 0:08:52for the man who also dabbles in space travel.
0:08:52 > 0:08:53Tesla's definitely taking some serious
0:08:53 > 0:09:01issues on the manufacturing side.
0:09:01 > 0:09:03issues on the manufacturing side.
0:09:03 > 0:09:08Model 3 delivery is measured in hundreds when they're supposed to be
0:09:08 > 0:09:09producing thousands every week.
0:09:09 > 0:09:11That is a huge issue.
0:09:11 > 0:09:14But the truck wasn't to be the only new vehicle on show here
0:09:14 > 0:09:15tonight.
0:09:15 > 0:09:18So the Tesla fans that came here certainly expected to see a
0:09:18 > 0:09:22lorry.
0:09:22 > 0:09:31What they weren't expecting to see was a new Roadster, and that's
0:09:31 > 0:09:33certainly got this energetic crowd extremely excited.
0:09:33 > 0:09:37So it turns out there was some cargo in the truck...
0:09:37 > 0:09:41For fans, an exciting One More Thing, but for Tesla's
0:09:41 > 0:09:42investors, it's just
0:09:42 > 0:09:44one more thing.
0:09:44 > 0:09:46Now here's a real "tail" of bravery for you -
0:09:46 > 0:09:48a military dog that helped save the lives of troops
0:09:48 > 0:09:50in Afghanistan is being awarded the animal equivalent
0:09:50 > 0:09:51of the Victoria Cross.
0:09:51 > 0:09:54Mali will receive the Dickin Medal, after being seriously injured
0:09:54 > 0:09:56during an operation to clear insurgents from a building
0:09:56 > 0:10:01in Kabul in 2012.
0:10:01 > 0:10:03Despite his injuries he carried on performing his duties
0:10:03 > 0:10:05but eventually had to be carried to safety.
0:10:05 > 0:10:07And Tina will be meeting Mali and his handler, before 9.30.
0:10:08 > 0:10:12In one of the celebrity weddings of the decade,
0:10:12 > 0:10:14the tennis star Serena Williams has married Alexis Ohanian,
0:10:14 > 0:10:19the co-founder of the Reddit website in New Orleans.
0:10:19 > 0:10:25An entire block of the American city was closed off for the 200
0:10:25 > 0:10:27guests who included the singer Beyonce, the reality tv star
0:10:27 > 0:10:30Kim Kardashian, and the editor in chief of Vogue magazine,
0:10:30 > 0:10:31Anna Wintour.
0:10:31 > 0:10:33The reception reportedly had a Beauty and the Beast theme.
0:10:33 > 0:10:41That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30.
0:10:41 > 0:10:50Annita, thank you very much.
0:10:50 > 0:10:54Let's get some sport with Hugh Woozencroft.
0:10:54 > 0:10:56Good morning.
0:10:56 > 0:10:58It's a vitally important match and series for England's women
0:10:58 > 0:11:00in terms of the outcome of their Ashes Series.
0:11:00 > 0:11:03Three T20 matches to play and defeat isn't an option.
0:11:03 > 0:11:04The first is today.
0:11:04 > 0:11:05We can speak to our sports correspondent
0:11:05 > 0:11:07Andy Swiss, who's in Sydney.
0:11:07 > 0:11:16Things haven't gone well so far for England.
0:11:16 > 0:11:23No, things starting to look perhaps slightly better. England now 86-5
0:11:23 > 0:11:27after 14 overs. They got off to a terrible, terrible start, they lost
0:11:27 > 0:11:30their first wicket to just the second ball of the match, captain
0:11:30 > 0:11:35Heather Knight given out caught behind. That was followed by a huge
0:11:35 > 0:11:40amount of confusion and even farce, questions over whether she was
0:11:40 > 0:11:43actually out because the wicketkeeper had knocked the bails
0:11:43 > 0:11:46off with her gloves, also questions about whether the catch had been
0:11:46 > 0:11:51taken in front of the stumps, so Heather Knight at one stage was
0:11:51 > 0:11:55given a reprieve, but after lengthy consultation, eventually the umpires
0:11:55 > 0:12:00gave her out and she had to go, but it was a hugely confusing scene at
0:12:00 > 0:12:03the start of the match, and after that, things got even worse for
0:12:03 > 0:12:10England. They lost Sarah Taylor lbw for two, Katherine Brunt for a duck.
0:12:10 > 0:12:15At that stage, England were 16-4 and in terrible, terrible trouble. They
0:12:15 > 0:12:19have recovered a little bit since then, but in the last few minutes,
0:12:19 > 0:12:26narrative has gone to 26, Sir England currently 86-5 after 14
0:12:26 > 0:12:31overs.OK, we will move swiftly to the men's.
0:12:31 > 0:12:33Australia have been pretty confident, naming their squad
0:12:33 > 0:12:35for the men's Ashes earlier than expected.
0:12:35 > 0:12:40Were there any surprises?
0:12:40 > 0:12:44Yes, there were. Particularly the inclusion of their wicketkeeper,
0:12:44 > 0:12:5232-year-old Tim Paine, who hasn't played a Test match for seven years.
0:12:52 > 0:12:55Even he admitted that he thought his test career was over, and he said
0:12:55 > 0:13:01that even he was surprised by what had happened.
0:13:04 > 0:13:07It is exciting. For an Australian, it is the biggest news in cricket,
0:13:07 > 0:13:14and to be here in Australia is even better. I feel like I am about to
0:13:14 > 0:13:17make it into Test cricket again after seven years, so it is exciting
0:13:17 > 0:13:23and I am absolutely pumped.And he wasn't the only surprise in the
0:13:23 > 0:13:29Australian squad. 34-year-old Shaun Marsh will batter another six, and
0:13:29 > 0:13:34there was also an inclusion of 24 you rolled Cameron Bancroft who will
0:13:34 > 0:13:40open the batting and win his first cap at the Gabba next week, so there
0:13:40 > 0:13:44were a few eyebrows raised about England's selection for this tour,
0:13:44 > 0:13:48and eyebrows raised about Australia's squad as well.Andy
0:13:48 > 0:13:59Swiss, thank you for joining us.
0:14:00 > 0:14:03And on day three of four in their final warm-up match, England
0:14:03 > 0:14:05were bowled out for 515 earlier, Dawid Malan getting
0:14:05 > 0:14:06himself a century.
0:14:06 > 0:14:07In reply, England have taken three wickets,
0:14:07 > 0:14:09with two from Moeen Ali.
0:14:09 > 0:14:11England lead by 144 runs ahead of tomorrow's final day.
0:14:11 > 0:14:14I will be back with sport a little later, including a new sporting
0:14:14 > 0:14:15career for Sir Bradley
0:14:15 > 0:14:19We will look forward to it, thank you, Hugh
0:14:19 > 0:14:21We will look forward to it, thank you, Hugh.
0:14:21 > 0:14:24Robert Mugabe, the man who has ruled Zimbabwe with an iron fist
0:14:24 > 0:14:26for nearly four decades, is spending a third day under house
0:14:26 > 0:14:29arrest after the army seized control of the country.
0:14:29 > 0:14:31The world's oldest head of state stood relaxed and smiling yesterday
0:14:31 > 0:14:33alongside the generals who led the military operation
0:14:33 > 0:14:34against his government as negotiations over
0:14:34 > 0:14:36his future continued.
0:14:36 > 0:14:38Some reports say the 93-year-old is refusing to step down
0:14:38 > 0:14:40but there are also rumours that progress is being made
0:14:40 > 0:14:45towards a dignified departure.
0:14:45 > 0:14:47Meanwhile, military leaders say they will advise the nation
0:14:47 > 0:14:50on the outcome of the talks as soon as possible.
0:14:50 > 0:14:54This was Zimbabwean TV earlier this morning.
0:14:54 > 0:14:59The Zimbabwe defence forces say significant progress has been made
0:14:59 > 0:15:05in their operation adding that they have accounted for some of the
0:15:05 > 0:15:09criminals around Robert Mugabe in order to bring them to justice as
0:15:09 > 0:15:12they have committed crimes and cause social and economic suffering in the
0:15:12 > 0:15:19country, while others are still at large. In a statement, the ZDF say
0:15:19 > 0:15:27that they are still discussing with Robert Mugabe on the way forward.
0:15:27 > 0:15:30Well, the fact remains that Zimbabwe remains in the most extraordinary
0:15:30 > 0:15:32circumstances with rumours swirling about the future of Mr Mugabe
0:15:32 > 0:15:34and who will take over from him.
0:15:34 > 0:15:37Many who saw him as a brutal dictator - he was accused
0:15:37 > 0:15:40of countless abuses of power during his 37 years in office -
0:15:40 > 0:15:47will be glad to see him go.
0:15:47 > 0:15:51And in the last few minutes, Reuters reporting that he has made his first
0:15:51 > 0:15:55public appearance since the military takeover at a university graduation
0:15:55 > 0:16:00ceremony. We will bring you those images as soon as we can get them.
0:16:00 > 0:16:01Well, let's discuss this further.
0:16:01 > 0:16:03Joining us now, Daizy Fabian, who fled Zimbabwe 14 years
0:16:03 > 0:16:06ago because of a threat to her and her families safety.
0:16:06 > 0:16:10She left behind her six-year-old daughter, who is now aged 21.
0:16:10 > 0:16:13Her mother died yesterday, but Daizy couldn't go
0:16:13 > 0:16:18home to say goodbye, or bury her.
0:16:18 > 0:16:20Wilf Mbanga is the editor of The Zimbabwean.
0:16:20 > 0:16:23He was very close to Mugabe at the start of both their careers.
0:16:23 > 0:16:26He travelled around the world with Mugabe, but when he later
0:16:26 > 0:16:28became critical of the President, he was declared an "enemy
0:16:28 > 0:16:29of the police".
0:16:29 > 0:16:33He is under an arrest warrant in Zimbabwe, so can't go back.
0:16:33 > 0:16:34Lloyd Kuveya is the Southern Africa Researcher
0:16:34 > 0:16:37at Amnesty International.
0:16:37 > 0:16:44And Patience Chakanga Phiri, a resident in Bulawayo, Zimbabwe.
0:16:44 > 0:16:45Welcome to the programme.
0:16:50 > 0:16:56Thank you for joining us and I'm sorry to hear about your mother. You
0:16:56 > 0:17:00fled Zimbabwe after being targeted for being part of an opposition
0:17:00 > 0:17:07trade union party. What happened?It was the MDC that was formed from a
0:17:07 > 0:17:14trade union... They formed a party whereby the party was being formed,
0:17:14 > 0:17:17we were not allowed, because there was no democracy in Zimbabwe, we
0:17:17 > 0:17:25were not allowed to be seen with MDC cards or MDC T-shirts even to go
0:17:25 > 0:17:29outside in a proper rally. There was no democracy and until now there is
0:17:29 > 0:17:34no democracy. Besides what is happening now there is no change, we
0:17:34 > 0:17:38are being ruled by the military and now we are being ruled by the
0:17:38 > 0:17:45military. The only time Zimbabwe will be free is when we have a free
0:17:45 > 0:17:50and fair election and outsiders, international monitors come in to
0:17:50 > 0:17:55Zimbabwe and that is when Zimbabwe will be free. Now it is not free. It
0:17:55 > 0:18:01is like two children in the house mighting for the ball -- fighting
0:18:01 > 0:18:13for the ball. We are ruled under Zanu. These people are together. All
0:18:13 > 0:18:19these things came out because the vice president was told to leave the
0:18:19 > 0:18:24office.You don't think that a change in leadership after four
0:18:24 > 0:18:31decades will make a difference?The change will make a difference after
0:18:31 > 0:18:35this when we have international monitors coming in our country and
0:18:35 > 0:18:44we have a free and fair elections to choose who we want. Right now will
0:18:44 > 0:18:50the general is take over, there is no change right now. These people is
0:18:50 > 0:18:58ZANU and the fight is an inhouse Zanu fight.Thank you for now. Wilf,
0:18:58 > 0:19:06do you agree?She is making some valid points. But the fact is that
0:19:06 > 0:19:11will have to be a change. Things will change. I understand...How do
0:19:11 > 0:19:17you think they will change?There is a parallel process going on as we
0:19:17 > 0:19:22speak. While they're talking to Robert Mugabe, there seems to be a
0:19:22 > 0:19:31plan to set up a transitional authority, that will include the
0:19:31 > 0:19:40opposition. That is happening at the same time.You were good friends
0:19:40 > 0:19:44with Robert Mugabe when he first came into power, can you give us a
0:19:44 > 0:19:52sense of what he was like.Well, when I fist met him in 74 when he
0:19:52 > 0:19:58came out of prison, and I interviewed him for a story that I
0:19:58 > 0:20:02was doing for the Star and we got to know each other well and he used to
0:20:02 > 0:20:13come to my house and have dinner. We used to sing along to Jim Reeves and
0:20:13 > 0:20:18Pat Boone. We were close and I believed he was the best person to
0:20:18 > 0:20:24run my country at the time. The first ten years, he did very well,
0:20:24 > 0:20:31they were talking about housing for all by the year 2000, health for all
0:20:31 > 0:20:36by the year 2000. They built schools. One of the things he
0:20:36 > 0:20:43succeeded in doing was educating Zimbabweans. They are the most
0:20:43 > 0:20:48educated and unfortunately in the last ten years that has now taken a
0:20:48 > 0:20:54dive. Education is now suffering, there are no drugs in hospitals,
0:20:54 > 0:20:59there is massive unemployment. 90% of population is unemployed. We
0:20:59 > 0:21:03don't even have our national currency. Robert Mugabe has wrecked
0:21:03 > 0:21:09the country in the last 20 years. Like you say, I want to bring in
0:21:09 > 0:21:18Lloyd, the lilt literacy level is 97%. That is a good thing isn't it?
0:21:18 > 0:21:23Yes, the literacy level is good. There have been many people have
0:21:23 > 0:21:30gone to school. Schools were built and so on. But there is a
0:21:30 > 0:21:36deterioration in the quality of education and there is a, you know,
0:21:36 > 0:21:41access to education has not been that good in the past few years.
0:21:41 > 0:21:48Because of economic crisis and the mis-governance, we are seeing a
0:21:48 > 0:21:52reversal of progress that had been made in the first ten or so years.
0:21:52 > 0:22:02That is unfortunate on the part of Zimbabwe.How do people feel about
0:22:02 > 0:22:06Grace Mugabe? Do we know where she is.We don't know where she is. But
0:22:06 > 0:22:18generally speaking people do not like Grace Mugabe. He was
0:22:18 > 0:22:21interfering with the country, but she was not an appointed state
0:22:21 > 0:22:35official. She was within the structures of Zanu PF party, but she
0:22:35 > 0:22:38failed to respect people in authority including the vice
0:22:38 > 0:22:42president. People think she has contributed to the problems we have
0:22:42 > 0:22:49seen in the ruling party today. Which has peeled over into the
0:22:49 > 0:22:55crisis we are now seeing. I don't think that Robert Mugabe made his
0:22:55 > 0:23:01own decisions independently, he would have kicked out his
0:23:01 > 0:23:04vice-president and then precipitated this political crisis that we are
0:23:04 > 0:23:14seeing.Up until now, we had heard about Grace in the context of her
0:23:14 > 0:23:19love of shopping, what is life like there every day and how are people
0:23:19 > 0:23:28responding to what has happened?I am in the second city of Zimbabwe
0:23:28 > 0:23:32and we are going on as normal. Because we have been told to go on
0:23:32 > 0:23:36as normal. There has been nothing formally said about what happens
0:23:36 > 0:23:40next. So people are getting up and going to work and they're doing what
0:23:40 > 0:23:45they have to do. I'm at work now. And the work office, the newsroom is
0:23:45 > 0:23:51busy. I think it is as normal as normal can be. And it is very quiet.
0:23:51 > 0:23:55I would say peaceful. Which for me also shows the kind of people that
0:23:55 > 0:24:02Zimbabweans are. We are peaceful and loving and kind people. So we are
0:24:02 > 0:24:06all hoping and praying that nothing horrible happens to a our beautiful
0:24:06 > 0:24:13country and we stay here.It is interesting you say that people are
0:24:13 > 0:24:18going as if things were normal, but Robert Mugabe has been in power for
0:24:18 > 0:24:22nearly 40 years and he is under house arrest is what we are hearing,
0:24:22 > 0:24:29it is day 3, that is extraordinary for Zimbabwe. So isn't that being
0:24:29 > 0:24:34reported on TV, are you not hearing that on the radio in the papers?It
0:24:34 > 0:24:38is every where. I think the biggest thing that maybe being here compared
0:24:38 > 0:24:45to being across is the number of is messages and so much speculation is
0:24:45 > 0:24:48going around, especially with the use of social media. People are
0:24:48 > 0:24:54sending out a lot of stuff. Everyone has information, which is not always
0:24:54 > 0:24:58entirely true. Because as it stands there has been nothing official
0:24:58 > 0:25:03since the last official statement we got on... From the soldiers. So
0:25:03 > 0:25:08there has been nothing else. Everything we have been hearing is
0:25:08 > 0:25:12speculation and I saw the pictures yesterday and still nothing formal
0:25:12 > 0:25:20came out. People are realising that we let it go, here we, I haven't
0:25:20 > 0:25:25been stopped searched. I haven't seen soldiers. I haven't seen police
0:25:25 > 0:25:29people. I haven't seen much change here. So I don't know. I think
0:25:29 > 0:25:34people are just trying to, keeping their heads down and hoping this
0:25:34 > 0:25:43passes and there is no bloodshed and no turmoil.Thank you.
0:25:43 > 0:25:46A British Military Working Dog who helped save the lives of troops
0:25:46 > 0:25:49in Afghanistan is to be awarded the prestigious PDSA Dickin Medal -
0:25:49 > 0:25:51the animal equivalent of the Victoria Cross.
0:25:51 > 0:25:53Mali, a Belgian Malinois, will receive the honour
0:25:53 > 0:25:54for his heroic actions during an operation
0:25:54 > 0:25:59in Afghanistan in 2012.
0:25:59 > 0:26:02We actually had to climb up a concrete stairwell to get up
0:26:02 > 0:26:04onto the next floor, because that's where these guys
0:26:04 > 0:26:06were dropping grenades down through holes in our
0:26:06 > 0:26:11ceiling, their floor.
0:26:11 > 0:26:16And he went up and, sure enough, to show our little methods
0:26:16 > 0:26:20were working, he indicated to me that there was enemy up there.
0:26:20 > 0:26:24And that enabled us to work out a way of getting up onto the next
0:26:24 > 0:26:28floor without using the stairs.
0:26:28 > 0:26:32By the time the end of the operation came and we'd broken out
0:26:32 > 0:26:36of the roof, we'd already realised that we'd cleared the building.
0:26:36 > 0:26:41And I looked down and it was only then that reality bit and I took
0:26:41 > 0:26:44stock of what had actually happened to my dog over the course
0:26:44 > 0:26:48of the last, sort of, eight hours.
0:26:48 > 0:26:50He had quite a large laceration under his...
0:26:50 > 0:26:55Just under his sternum, on the inside of his legs as well.
0:26:55 > 0:26:58Again, his ear had a bit of a hole blown in it.
0:26:58 > 0:27:01All of us had been peppered with fragments from multiple
0:27:01 > 0:27:08grenades that had gone off.
0:27:08 > 0:27:15From operations that we'd been on previously, he had shown his...
0:27:15 > 0:27:20Really shown his mettle and built a reputation
0:27:20 > 0:27:25among all the guys, so, as I say, by the time we launched
0:27:25 > 0:27:28onto this operation we really felt that we had a guardian angel amongst
0:27:28 > 0:27:31us, nothing was going to happen to us.
0:27:31 > 0:27:36Well, earlier on I had the pleasure of meeting Mali and his current
0:27:36 > 0:27:38handler corporal Daniel Hatley - who trained him as a puppy.
0:27:38 > 0:27:39An amazing dog to train.
0:27:39 > 0:27:41Picks stuff up really quickly, loves to...
0:27:41 > 0:27:43Wants to work, wants to learn.
0:27:43 > 0:27:45His general character, he's just a very funny dog,
0:27:45 > 0:27:46if that makes sense.
0:27:46 > 0:27:47He can always make you smile.
0:27:47 > 0:27:48Right.
0:27:48 > 0:27:50And what's that training process like?
0:27:50 > 0:27:53It's quite intensive.
0:27:53 > 0:27:56You have to sort of constantly be teaching a dog.
0:27:56 > 0:27:59Dogs learn very much through repetition, so we have to do
0:27:59 > 0:28:03things a lot of time for them to sort of pick it up by themselves.
0:28:03 > 0:28:05It's a very slow process with good progression but, again,
0:28:05 > 0:28:07very, very long process.
0:28:07 > 0:28:09We can see him in action now.
0:28:09 > 0:28:10Yeah.
0:28:10 > 0:28:15How does he compared to other dogs who were serving in the military?
0:28:15 > 0:28:18He's just like any other dog that's serving in the military,
0:28:18 > 0:28:22but just what he did on that day makes him stand out.
0:28:22 > 0:28:24He's having a lovely time, there.
0:28:24 > 0:28:25Very comfortable on our rug!
0:28:25 > 0:28:35What exactly happened on that day?
0:28:35 > 0:28:38Insurgency seized a multi-storey building in Kabul, and an assault
0:28:38 > 0:28:41force was sent forward to obviously go and retrieve that building
0:28:41 > 0:28:42off coalition forces.
0:28:42 > 0:28:44And Mali was the dog that was used on that operation,
0:28:44 > 0:28:48and he was sent into the building ahead of the forces to look for IEDs
0:28:48 > 0:28:52and any potential enemy combatants.
0:28:52 > 0:28:53And he was hurt badly.
0:28:53 > 0:28:55He was.
0:28:55 > 0:28:57He received blast injuries from two grenades.
0:28:57 > 0:29:01He kept going.
0:29:01 > 0:29:04Obviously afterwards he did receive some injuries that he had to be
0:29:04 > 0:29:06treated for at the end of the operation.
0:29:06 > 0:29:08And how long did it take for Mali to recover?
0:29:08 > 0:29:09Hello!
0:29:09 > 0:29:12He was initially treated in Afghanistan and was flown back
0:29:12 > 0:29:15to the UK a few weeks after that.
0:29:15 > 0:29:17From a general point of view he was pretty fit
0:29:17 > 0:29:21and healthy when he got back, but it was more just a healing
0:29:21 > 0:29:23process and stopping infection and getting him back to normal.
0:29:23 > 0:29:25It's quite rare for animals to win this award.
0:29:25 > 0:29:28I think Mali is the only living animal to have won it
0:29:28 > 0:29:30in seven or eight years, is that right?
0:29:30 > 0:29:31I believe so, yeah.
0:29:31 > 0:29:33So how many dogs are used in combat?
0:29:33 > 0:29:38Hundreds.
0:29:38 > 0:29:41If you go back to Afghanistan in the sort of height
0:29:41 > 0:29:44of the conflict, there could have been anything sort of 130 plus dogs
0:29:44 > 0:29:45in Afghanistan at the time.
0:29:45 > 0:29:47They are a massive, massive need for the forces.
0:29:47 > 0:29:49The guys want them on the ground, you know?
0:29:49 > 0:29:51Everyone wants a dog on the ground.
0:29:51 > 0:29:54Training's one thing, but what's it like when they are actually
0:29:54 > 0:29:55in a live situation?
0:29:55 > 0:29:56That training has to kick in.
0:29:56 > 0:29:59A lot of that must be dependent on the relationship that the dog,
0:29:59 > 0:30:00Mali, has with its handler?
0:30:00 > 0:30:01Absolutely.
0:30:01 > 0:30:05The bond is so imperative, and the bond he had with his handler
0:30:05 > 0:30:07was phenomenal, and that's why, you know, they worked together
0:30:07 > 0:30:11so well as a team and that's why, you know, he did what he did
0:30:11 > 0:30:13on the day and he kept going, you know?
0:30:13 > 0:30:15No training can prepare a dog for what he went
0:30:15 > 0:30:18through on that day, so for him to just keep
0:30:18 > 0:30:21going and get on with it and keep working through everything that
0:30:21 > 0:30:22happened was phenomenal.
0:30:22 > 0:30:24And he actually saved lives on that day?
0:30:24 > 0:30:25Absolutely, yeah.
0:30:25 > 0:30:38Absolutely saved lives.
0:30:38 > 0:30:40Coming up:
0:30:40 > 0:30:44A survey suggest more than a quarter of scams happen at Christmas -
0:30:44 > 0:30:45with some victims losing hundreds of pounds.
0:30:45 > 0:30:47Time for the latest news - here's Annita.
0:30:47 > 0:30:48Thank you.
0:30:48 > 0:30:57Good morning, everyone.
0:30:57 > 0:30:59David Davis has
0:31:02 > 0:31:05there is growing pressure for a breakthrough before the end of the
0:31:05 > 0:31:09year. In the past half-hour, President Mugabe has made his first
0:31:09 > 0:31:12public appearance since the military takeover in Zimbabwe on Wednesday.
0:31:12 > 0:31:17The 93-year-old seen here meeting the head of the Army yesterday is
0:31:17 > 0:31:21attending a university graduation ceremony in the capital. He has
0:31:21 > 0:31:24reportedly refused to step down immediately, despite growing calls
0:31:24 > 0:31:29for his resignation.
0:31:29 > 0:31:30Police investigating the disappearance of a teenager
0:31:30 > 0:31:33in Dorset are continuing to question a man arrested yesterday
0:31:33 > 0:31:36on suspicion of her murder.
0:31:36 > 0:31:3819-year-old Gaia Pope was last seen in Swanage ten days ago.
0:31:38 > 0:31:44The 49-year-old suspect is believed to be known to Gaia.
0:31:44 > 0:31:46The pay packages of senior police officers have been published
0:31:46 > 0:31:48in a central database for the first time.
0:31:48 > 0:31:53Figures for 261 officers up to the rank of Chief Constable,
0:31:53 > 0:31:55reveal wide variations - some receive thousands
0:31:55 > 0:31:58of pounds in benefits, a small number claim large sums
0:31:58 > 0:32:00in expenses and others are paid nothing but a salary.
0:32:00 > 0:32:03The figures have been published by the Home Office as part
0:32:03 > 0:32:05of an attempt to increase transparency across forces
0:32:05 > 0:32:08in England and Wales.
0:32:09 > 0:32:11The actor Sylvester Stallone has denied sexually assaulting
0:32:11 > 0:32:14a 16-year-old girl in a hotel room in Las Vegas in 1986.
0:32:14 > 0:32:17He was responding to reports giving details of a police account
0:32:17 > 0:32:24of the teenager's claims.
0:32:24 > 0:32:27No action was taken against the actor at the time.
0:32:27 > 0:32:28Sylvester Stallone's spokeswoman said it was
0:32:28 > 0:32:37a "categorically false story".
0:32:37 > 0:32:39That's a summary of the latest BBC News.
0:32:39 > 0:32:44Here's some sport now with Hugh.
0:32:44 > 0:32:49England have battled their way to a respectable if uninspiring score
0:32:49 > 0:32:54against Australia. A terrible start less than 16-4 at one stage, Danny
0:32:54 > 0:33:00Wyatt's 50 aided the recovery before she was run out. England currently
0:33:00 > 0:33:06130-8, just a couple of balls from the end of their innings. Just six
0:33:06 > 0:33:09days until the men's Ashes starts, Moeen Ali has shown some form with
0:33:09 > 0:33:13the ball. He has taken two wickets as England started their final warm
0:33:13 > 0:33:23up match against the Australian 11.
0:33:23 > 0:33:24BBC Sport understands former
0:33:24 > 0:33:25England Women's head coach
0:33:25 > 0:33:28Lee Kendall admitted to using a fake Caribbean accent towards Eni Aluko,
0:33:28 > 0:33:29as part of an FA investigation.
0:33:29 > 0:33:32Kendall was cleared of "unacceptable behaviour" by the FA before stepping
0:33:32 > 0:33:33down from his role yesterday.
0:33:33 > 0:33:35And Sir Bradley Wiggins will launch his competitive
0:33:35 > 0:33:36rowing career next month
0:33:36 > 0:33:39when he takes on the GB Rowing Team at the British Rowing
0:33:39 > 0:33:41Indoor Championships.
0:33:41 > 0:33:45The 2012 Tour de France winner says he may be a bit delusional. We'll
0:33:45 > 0:33:48see if he could do the job on the water as well. I will be back with a
0:33:48 > 0:33:51little more sport after ten o'clock.
0:33:51 > 0:33:54See you then.
0:33:54 > 0:33:56It's emerged that hundreds of domestic violence perpetrators
0:33:56 > 0:33:59are using animal cruelty as a weapon against their victims,
0:33:59 > 0:34:01according to figures seen by 5 Live Investigates.
0:34:01 > 0:34:04More than 700 calls made to the National Domestic Violence
0:34:04 > 0:34:07helpline, run by the charities Women's Aid and Refuge,
0:34:07 > 0:34:11and Women's Aid in Wales last year involved animal cruelty.
0:34:11 > 0:34:18Other women report being unable to leave violent situations
0:34:18 > 0:34:19because they're worried about their pets.
0:34:19 > 0:34:22Before we discuss this, I should warn you that you might
0:34:22 > 0:34:23find the subject matter unsetting.
0:34:23 > 0:34:26We can speak to Adrian Goldberg from 5Live Investigates.
0:34:26 > 0:34:33Adrian, good morning. What the scale of this?As you say, these figures
0:34:33 > 0:34:36are from the National domestic violence helpline, they are the
0:34:36 > 0:34:41closest that we have got, no figures are compiled by any official body
0:34:41 > 0:34:46around this, so this is just a snapshot, and they show that of
0:34:46 > 0:34:52calls to the helpline last year, something like 6500 calls relating
0:34:52 > 0:34:56to domestic abuse, when victims were asked the question, has the
0:34:56 > 0:35:01perpetrator being involved in harming your pet or animal cruelty,
0:35:01 > 0:35:05631 in England said that the perpetrator had been. If you throw
0:35:05 > 0:35:10in the figures from Wales, that's closer to 700 perpetrators of
0:35:10 > 0:35:14domestic abuse who have also been involved in animal cruelty. In
0:35:14 > 0:35:19England alone, those figures amount to around one in ten of the
0:35:19 > 0:35:23perpetrators of domestic abuse also having a history of violence towards
0:35:23 > 0:35:26pets. But I should stress, the campaigners and charities involved
0:35:26 > 0:35:31in this believe that the true figure is likely to be much higher, because
0:35:31 > 0:35:34victims often won't blow the whistle on the abuse to their pets because
0:35:34 > 0:35:39they fear the pet may be taken away from them.And what is the evidence
0:35:39 > 0:35:44linking animal cruelty to domestic violence?It is very difficult to
0:35:44 > 0:35:48prove a causal link, but there is a growing body of research,
0:35:48 > 0:35:51particularly from the United States, suggesting that there is a link
0:35:51 > 0:35:55between those willing to perpetrate animal abuse and domestic abuse.
0:35:55 > 0:36:02Speaking and anecdotally this week to an officer involved in domestic
0:36:02 > 0:36:06violence, he had looked at his ten most high-risk cases of domestic
0:36:06 > 0:36:12abuse, cases where the victim was in severe danger of losing their life
0:36:12 > 0:36:17or of being seriously injured. Of those top ten, the top ten most at
0:36:17 > 0:36:21risk cases, in six of those cases, the perpetrator also had a history
0:36:21 > 0:36:27of animal cruelty. I should say as well it isn't just about violence
0:36:27 > 0:36:31towards animals. It can also be about what is called coercive
0:36:31 > 0:36:36control, where a perpetrator may use the threat of violence towards a
0:36:36 > 0:36:41family pet in order to get what they want and get compliance from their
0:36:41 > 0:36:46victim.How can we improve the identification of this?There is a
0:36:46 > 0:36:50charity called Links, they go around teaching undergraduate, trainee
0:36:50 > 0:36:57vets, to spot the possible incidents of nonaccidental injury to animals,
0:36:57 > 0:37:03but also of the possible links between animal cruelty and domestic
0:37:03 > 0:37:07abuse, but at the moment, training is not mandatory for vets in this
0:37:07 > 0:37:11area, sporting a potential link between animal cruelty and domestic
0:37:11 > 0:37:14abuse. There are campaigners who think that that should be a
0:37:14 > 0:37:19compulsory part of that undergraduate training. At the
0:37:19 > 0:37:21moment, the British veterinary Association is resisting that, but
0:37:21 > 0:37:25campaigners say that this is essential to protect both animals
0:37:25 > 0:37:33and victims of domestic abuse. Adriaan, thank you very much.
0:37:33 > 0:37:36We can speak now to Gemma Willis, whose former partner was jailed
0:37:36 > 0:37:39for 13 and a half years for his violence and abuse.
0:37:39 > 0:37:41With her is Dusty, who she was scared he would
0:37:41 > 0:37:43kill if she left him.
0:37:43 > 0:37:45In the end, she sought help from a pet fostering programme
0:37:45 > 0:37:48which discreetly housed him while she made her escape.
0:37:48 > 0:37:50She has waived her right to anonymity to highlight this form
0:37:50 > 0:38:00of extreme psychological and emotional abuse.
0:38:02 > 0:38:05And we also welcome Clare Kivlehan, who started the domestic violence
0:38:05 > 0:38:07dog fostering project at the Dogs Trust.
0:38:07 > 0:38:09Gemma, how did your partner use violence against dusty to get at
0:38:09 > 0:38:14you?It was a different number of things, different occasions
0:38:14 > 0:38:19depending on what he would do. It was pure anger when it came to
0:38:19 > 0:38:24Richard, for the last 12 months, he was just full of anger. So it wasn't
0:38:24 > 0:38:27just me that got it anyway, they didn't need to be a reason or
0:38:27 > 0:38:32excuse, and there was no blackmail or bribery involved, he was just
0:38:32 > 0:38:36that I rate, he'd hurt me and then go out into the garden and take it
0:38:36 > 0:38:42out on the dogs. He even pulled a pigeon's head off and through the
0:38:42 > 0:38:49body at me.So you had two dogs? What happened to the other one?I
0:38:49 > 0:38:55had to go into refuge, and I was panicking I would lose both the
0:38:55 > 0:38:59dogs, so a friend of mine offered to take one, she has still got her and
0:38:59 > 0:39:06I can still see her, but I had to keep Dusty. And when you say that he
0:39:06 > 0:39:10would take it out on Dusty, what would he do?He pinned him in the
0:39:10 > 0:39:14corner in the shed, beaten him, hit him with shovels, he picked Lola up
0:39:14 > 0:39:22and literally threw her across the garden. He would punch him. He just
0:39:22 > 0:39:28wasn't nice. Choke him, threw a piece of wood at him and marked as
0:39:28 > 0:39:34I.It must have been so difficult for you, because you don't want to
0:39:34 > 0:39:38leave him, but at the same time, he is with you and you suffered a lot
0:39:38 > 0:39:41of abuse at the hands of your partner who has been jailed for what
0:39:41 > 0:39:46he did to you. What were your options at the time when this was
0:39:46 > 0:39:51happening? Did you even know about the option of a dog fostering
0:39:51 > 0:39:56programme?I didn't have a clue. The day I left, I told him I was going
0:39:56 > 0:40:02to walk the dogs, and I never went back. I took my son to school, got
0:40:02 > 0:40:06to my mums, the police were there, they said I needed to go into
0:40:06 > 0:40:08refuge, I had already lost everything, because I was quite
0:40:08 > 0:40:15nervous, I had myself, my dogs, my son, and that is all I had left.
0:40:15 > 0:40:19Irene Holmes Lola in 24 hours, and I rang the refuge and said, I have a
0:40:19 > 0:40:24dog, I need to bring him with me. Wherever I go, he is coming with me,
0:40:24 > 0:40:30and the refuge said, you can't come with you.So you could bring him,
0:40:30 > 0:40:33but you couldn't take into the refuge?They gave me an number and
0:40:33 > 0:40:36said, they might not be able to help you, but there might be some
0:40:36 > 0:40:42direction they could point you in. So I made the phone call and I dealt
0:40:42 > 0:40:45with a lady called Sarah the whole way through even while he was in
0:40:45 > 0:40:51foster care, and she got me a straight placement for him. He was
0:40:51 > 0:40:55taken on February the 1st and looked after until I got him back.It has
0:40:55 > 0:41:00been a journey of recovery for you both. Dusty is a beautiful dog. He
0:41:00 > 0:41:07has heard that! But how has Dusty recovered? That must be so
0:41:07 > 0:41:16traumatic.It is the side-effect. He doesn't trust men, and he is really
0:41:16 > 0:41:19cautious, really protective. He sticks to my side, I can't move
0:41:19 > 0:41:23without him, and he really doesn't like men. He just gets too
0:41:23 > 0:41:28protective, and he gets nervous. Your OK if you come up to him and
0:41:28 > 0:41:32say hello and he is introduced, but unexpectedly, I don't know what he
0:41:32 > 0:41:39could do.Claire, what impact has the pet fostering project had?Huge
0:41:39 > 0:41:42impact on people like Gemma and their families. We set it up 13
0:41:42 > 0:41:45years ago for this reason, that we were finding that more and more
0:41:45 > 0:41:50people were coming to us in situations where their pets were
0:41:50 > 0:41:54being abused or threatened, and people were afraid to leave. They
0:41:54 > 0:41:58didn't know what happened to their pet if they left behind. We know
0:41:58 > 0:42:02that refuges are not in a position because of the setup to be able to
0:42:02 > 0:42:05bring pets in, so we knew that we had to do something in the
0:42:05 > 0:42:08situations to get people away from the violence, but also from their
0:42:08 > 0:42:13pets.What is your response to Gemma's story?We know that she has
0:42:13 > 0:42:18been through a huge ordeal, and it was so great that we were able to
0:42:18 > 0:42:22help Dusty, and we work with the refuges direct, so that when people
0:42:22 > 0:42:26are third, they can let us know that they need our help and they can go
0:42:26 > 0:42:30into foster.And how many people know that this even exists?Not
0:42:30 > 0:42:35many. Since I came out with my anonymity, even with a local
0:42:35 > 0:42:41newspapers, it is overwhelming the response I get, with regards to
0:42:41 > 0:42:46women who were not aware of this. I had done some research and seen that
0:42:46 > 0:42:51it had been running, but it was literally in London, it hasn't been
0:42:51 > 0:42:55up in North Yorkshire for very long. And now they are launching up there.
0:42:55 > 0:43:01It is hard to explain, but without sounding silly, Dusty was like my
0:43:01 > 0:43:04baby, and I wasn't leaving the house without him, so I know how other
0:43:04 > 0:43:10women feel when you think of the abuse you are getting, whether it be
0:43:10 > 0:43:12physical, emotional, mental, whatever, I know what it is like
0:43:12 > 0:43:17that you don't want to leave your pets.Obituary lies how important it
0:43:17 > 0:43:23is, if that means you are then staying, and how many people end up
0:43:23 > 0:43:26staying in abusive situations because they don't want to be
0:43:26 > 0:43:32separated from their pet.And it is the fear of them being hurt.Over
0:43:32 > 0:43:3652% of the clients we work with thought that their pets had been
0:43:36 > 0:43:40abused or threatened with abuse, so you can see the scale of it. We know
0:43:40 > 0:43:43it is underreported by clients, because they feel the guilt
0:43:43 > 0:43:47personally, they feel the attachment to their pet and the guilt that it
0:43:47 > 0:43:50might be something they did all their fault that their pet has been
0:43:50 > 0:43:52abused, but we know that people stay in those situations unless they know
0:43:52 > 0:43:59there is somewhere for their pets to go.What about people who may be
0:43:59 > 0:44:03watching, and you think you need to get yourself out of that situation,
0:44:03 > 0:44:06especially if you have children, and shouldn't be prioritising your pet
0:44:06 > 0:44:13in that?You don't, it is not prioritising. To be fair, me
0:44:13 > 0:44:17personally, Dusty holds the same level of commitment, passion,
0:44:17 > 0:44:22loyalty and mothering as Logan does. And Logan is your boy?He is. He is
0:44:22 > 0:44:27seven. So they are both equal. So to me, it was protecting him as well.
0:44:27 > 0:44:31It just all came into one. You don't think of any sort, there is nothing
0:44:31 > 0:44:35is running around you, it is, this is what I have to do, this is who I
0:44:35 > 0:44:41need to protect, and if I walk out of the door, they have to come with
0:44:41 > 0:44:49me.And your partner wasn't violent towards Logan. No.No.And is this
0:44:49 > 0:44:53scheme going to be running out across the UK?Yes, it has been
0:44:53 > 0:45:00running in 13 regions, we're extending to Scotland, the
0:45:00 > 0:45:04north-east, the Northwest and all of the Home Counties. We know more and
0:45:04 > 0:45:06more people are in this situation and they need to know about the
0:45:06 > 0:45:10project and they need to be able to get our help.Thank you all very
0:45:10 > 0:45:11much indeed.
0:45:11 > 0:45:14You can hear more on this story on Sunday at 11am on Radio 5Live
0:45:14 > 0:45:15with 5Live Investigates.
0:45:15 > 0:45:17And if you need help with any of the issues
0:45:17 > 0:45:20we've just talked about, you can find charities which offer
0:45:20 > 0:45:23support at the BBC Action Line - bbc.co.uk/actionline.
0:45:28 > 0:45:31Coming up:
0:45:31 > 0:45:38Theresa May says she hopes EU leaders will respond positively to
0:45:38 > 0:45:40her Brexit proposals.
0:45:40 > 0:45:43Christmas shoppers are being warned to watch out for online scams,
0:45:43 > 0:45:45as research suggests fraudsters are particularly likely to strike
0:45:45 > 0:45:47during the festive season.
0:45:47 > 0:45:50A survey of people who have been scammed found that in more
0:45:50 > 0:45:53than a quarter of cases, it happened at Christmas with some
0:45:53 > 0:45:56victims losing hundreds of pounds.
0:45:56 > 0:46:04Let's speak now to Ross Martin who is Head of Cyber Digital Eagles
0:46:04 > 0:46:07at Barclays, Andrew McClelland who is head of insight at IMRG,
0:46:07 > 0:46:10which is the UK's industry association for online retail.
0:46:10 > 0:46:12And to Rishi Chowdhury, was has been targeted
0:46:12 > 0:46:20by fraudsters online.
0:46:20 > 0:46:26Let's start with you, what happened? So I was actually on holiday over
0:46:26 > 0:46:31new year and I found pay pay pal account had been accused and four
0:46:31 > 0:46:36payments had been taken out. So I was given a notification a few days
0:46:36 > 0:46:40after and that is the first I found out about it.How much are we
0:46:40 > 0:46:47talking?2,000 altogether. Four payments of 500. Pay pal thought
0:46:47 > 0:46:53that was fishy and let me know.What did you do?At the time, I was
0:46:53 > 0:46:58abroad and I had to call them and put in a support request. It wasn't
0:46:58 > 0:47:03the quickest of kind of getting that result. But thankfully I got my
0:47:03 > 0:47:08money back in the end.How long did it take?Probably took a couple of
0:47:08 > 0:47:12weeks in total. By the time I got through to someone and got a
0:47:12 > 0:47:18response and they started working on it.Was there a question mark over
0:47:18 > 0:47:23whether you would get the money back?It was a bit different to the
0:47:23 > 0:47:28bank, because the bank are normally quite quick and you can get your
0:47:28 > 0:47:34money back quickly. At the point, I was like not sure. But thankfully I
0:47:34 > 0:47:39did get it back.How much of an impact did it have on you losing
0:47:39 > 0:47:452,000 when you have to wait to get it back?Yes thankfully it wasn't my
0:47:45 > 0:47:50day-to-day spending money there. But it still had an impact in terms of
0:47:50 > 0:47:55am I going to get it back.Has it changed how you shop online and how
0:47:55 > 0:48:02you behave?It has made me more, I work in tech and I think I'm fairly
0:48:02 > 0:48:07good with keeping myself safe online. But yeah, certain things
0:48:07 > 0:48:11like setting up identification and things like that you put off,
0:48:11 > 0:48:15because of ease or you know it is quicker without it.It is a good
0:48:15 > 0:48:20example of the fact it can happen to anyone. People seem to have the idea
0:48:20 > 0:48:26it is stupid people who are targeted, why would you click
0:48:26 > 0:48:34through to an e-mail or people have done something. More than a quarter
0:48:34 > 0:48:40of the scams are happening at Christmas, how you protecting your
0:48:40 > 0:48:48customers.Barclays a educating and creating awareness. Our digital
0:48:48 > 0:48:53eagle programme means we can deliver digital safety sessions. There are
0:48:53 > 0:49:00simple things we can do to protect ourselves and education is the key.
0:49:00 > 0:49:06What the practical steps to protect people who bank with you?There are
0:49:06 > 0:49:11some simple things we can do. If we look at shopping at Christmas, think
0:49:11 > 0:49:21about verify being web-sites that we are using. Not divulging any pass
0:49:21 > 0:49:25words or official information. This is the easiest way for people to
0:49:25 > 0:49:30exploit us.Are customers always protected who bank with you, if I
0:49:30 > 0:49:34have been targeted online and somebody's taken money, how long
0:49:34 > 0:49:40would I have to wait to get it back? We would like to refund customers in
0:49:40 > 0:49:45as little as 24 hours, almost immediately if they have been the
0:49:45 > 0:49:51innocent victim. That is something we will promote.If, are there any
0:49:51 > 0:49:55circumstances where you wouldn't refund a customer?What we have to
0:49:55 > 0:49:59be aware of is we have all have a part to play as the customer, if you
0:49:59 > 0:50:07are the victim of a scam but you have instigated transaction you
0:50:07 > 0:50:14would be liable. If we instigate a transaction you could be at fault.
0:50:14 > 0:50:20If I get an e-mail from somebody saying they're the taxman or the
0:50:20 > 0:50:25bank, if I then click through and that results in money being taken
0:50:25 > 0:50:30from my account, are you saying I wouldn't necessarily get a refund.
0:50:30 > 0:50:38If you have divulged personal details to enable the fraudster to
0:50:38 > 0:50:42commit the fraud there could be an issue. But we will look at each case
0:50:42 > 0:50:47individually.What about the fact that some of criminals are using
0:50:47 > 0:50:52bank accounts with mainstream banks like yourselves, aren't you doing
0:50:52 > 0:50:56more to crackdown on them?There is a huge amount of work we are doing
0:50:56 > 0:51:01to investigate how accounts are used and to almost anticipate when there
0:51:01 > 0:51:08is fraud taking place and look to shut those accounts quickly.
0:51:08 > 0:51:12Security is always high priority for Barclays. We are looking at new ways
0:51:12 > 0:51:17to protect the bank and our customers.Andrew, why do you think
0:51:17 > 0:51:23more than a quarter of scams happen at Christmas?One of the challenges
0:51:23 > 0:51:29that we as customers and user when we get into the mode of shopping or
0:51:29 > 0:51:35doing any transaction we focus on the task in hand and become
0:51:35 > 0:51:40blivengerred to some -- blinkered to some of the warning signs that are
0:51:40 > 0:51:48obvious. So as has been said, there is a lot of advice about things s to
0:51:48 > 0:51:55look out for. Sometimes it is just take a moment. If an offer is too
0:51:55 > 0:52:05good to be true there is a chance it is. We are approaching one of
0:52:05 > 0:52:09biggest on online Christmases. We tend to see an increase in people
0:52:09 > 0:52:13not being as careful perhaps as they could be, because we are all getting
0:52:13 > 0:52:18caught up in the idea of getting the task done, moving through the
0:52:18 > 0:52:23transaction and we often miss some of the warning signs.How are scams
0:52:23 > 0:52:28becoming more sophisticated?A lot of it, because a lot of it is
0:52:28 > 0:52:36technically is based they're able to re-create brands and messages to the
0:52:36 > 0:52:41smallest detail and as your previous speaker said, even someone with a
0:52:41 > 0:52:45tech background can get fooled by some of this stuff. It is, they're
0:52:45 > 0:52:52very good at re-creating the look of a brand, whether that is the tax
0:52:52 > 0:52:56authorities, the bank or a retail business, they can mimic a lot of
0:52:56 > 0:53:01that activity and make it difficult to detect, but it comes back down to
0:53:01 > 0:53:07if that deal looks a bit too good to be true, they're trying attract you
0:53:07 > 0:53:13for a reason. Just slow things down and take a bit of care.None of
0:53:13 > 0:53:16these people seem to be caught, are the police doing enough to track
0:53:16 > 0:53:22these people down?I think that is a difficult question to answer. The
0:53:22 > 0:53:27police have a finite amount of resources. The retail...This is a
0:53:27 > 0:53:35growing problem and surely it is a priority?It is a priority. And as I
0:53:35 > 0:53:45was saying the banks and retailers are investing in technology, but the
0:53:45 > 0:53:48fraudsters are often innovating quicker than. There is jurisdiction
0:53:48 > 0:53:53issues. A lot of this will take place outside the country and we are
0:53:53 > 0:53:56relying the police having the local connections to follow that through.
0:53:56 > 0:54:05But it can be a difficult it is task to join the dots together.People
0:54:05 > 0:54:09will mimic brands and banks, where are the places they're targeting
0:54:09 > 0:54:18people online?Often it will be offers through e-mail. Sometimes
0:54:18 > 0:54:23through social media. Classified adverts on listing web-sites. There
0:54:23 > 0:54:30is a lot of ways they can get the message in front of consumer. We
0:54:30 > 0:54:34would suggest one way of avoiding this, you see an offer coming
0:54:34 > 0:54:39through that looks too good to be true, step away from the e-mail and
0:54:39 > 0:54:44go directly to the brand's web-site and see if that offer is on the
0:54:44 > 0:54:48brand's web-site and go somewhere where you would expect to see the
0:54:48 > 0:54:56information.Is anything practically that you can check, what obvious
0:54:56 > 0:55:02things you canlike at to identify -- can look at to identify it?The
0:55:02 > 0:55:08first and most obvious though sometimes the hardest to to
0:55:08 > 0:55:21detective is does detect is does the web-site look like the real one.
0:55:21 > 0:55:26Looking for things you would expect to see. Does the web-site you see on
0:55:26 > 0:55:32the shop hg bag the same as the web-site address. It is making sure
0:55:32 > 0:55:37does the text look right. Is the grammar right. You don't have to be
0:55:37 > 0:55:41an English expert, but if the way products and services are being
0:55:41 > 0:55:46described doesn't seem quite right, brands spend a lot of time making
0:55:46 > 0:55:54sure the English and punctuation is right, so just double check on
0:55:54 > 0:55:57whether it makes sense and does it fit with your expectations of that
0:55:57 > 0:56:11brand.Thank you very much. Cars driven by female characters who
0:56:11 > 0:56:17starred along 007 have gone on display in an exhibition in London.
0:56:17 > 0:56:23Let's take a look.
0:57:56 > 0:57:58Now the weather.
0:57:58 > 0:58:04Now the weather. I could just do with a heated windscreen! It was
0:58:04 > 0:58:06another frosty start this morning. Particularly for England and Wales,
0:58:06 > 0:58:14where we saw the low est of the temperatures, down to minus four in
0:58:14 > 0:58:18some places. We have some sunshine, but a few have avoided the frost in
0:58:18 > 0:58:23the west, because of the breeze. Some cloud in north-west England and
0:58:23 > 0:58:26Wales. But showers for the north and west of Scotland and they will
0:58:26 > 0:58:32continue through the day and some will be heavy with hail and snow
0:58:32 > 0:58:39over the high ground. Most of the UK stays dry. The lightest of the winds
0:58:39 > 0:58:44further south. After 15 degrees yesterday, 10 is the most we will
0:58:44 > 0:58:49imagine. It will stay on the cold side. Cold for the evening commute
0:58:49 > 0:58:53home and further showers in Scotland that will become more widespread and
0:58:53 > 0:59:02into Northern Ireland and northern England. And at midnight, the Leonid
0:59:02 > 0:59:08meteor shower peaks tonight. The best advice is view early on,
0:59:08 > 0:59:12because cloud amounts will increase. Showers in Scotland and northern
0:59:12 > 0:59:16England. But there will be some gaps between the showers and the best of
0:59:16 > 0:59:21the gaps in eastern Scotland and the south of England. It is here where
0:59:21 > 0:59:27we will see temperatures drop the furthest. A frost is expected. But
0:59:27 > 0:59:30not as widespread or as cold as it was last night. But it makes for a
0:59:30 > 0:59:34chilly start to the weekend and tomorrow expect more cloud, England
0:59:34 > 0:59:38and Wales in particular. The cloud will come and go in the Midlands and
0:59:38 > 0:59:44Wales and southern England. There will be drier weather. Showers in
0:59:44 > 0:59:48the north and east clear. But it remains damp throughout south Wales
0:59:48 > 0:59:53and south-west England. Here mild air trying to push in. But for most
0:59:53 > 0:59:57the cold air holds on and it will be that battle between mild and cold
0:59:57 > 1:00:02air for the rest of weekend. The cold air comes back on Saturday
1:00:02 > 1:00:09night. And the frost back on Sunday. But mild air will try to work its
1:00:09 > 1:00:16way. Linked to this front. Painfully slow progress, but that does make
1:00:16 > 1:00:25for drier day for many. Clouding over in the west. In the east we
1:00:25 > 1:00:28will see the brightest of the weather on Sunday. That is how it is
1:00:28 > 1:00:29looking.
1:00:37 > 1:00:40Hello, it's Friday, it's 10 o'clock, I'm Tina Daheley,
1:00:40 > 1:00:41welcome to the programme.
1:00:41 > 1:00:43Theresa May says she hopes EU leaders will respond 'positively'
1:00:43 > 1:00:48to her Brexit proposals as she arrives at a summit
1:00:48 > 1:00:50in Sweden.
1:00:50 > 1:00:52David Davis wants the EU to do more.
1:00:52 > 1:00:54We have been offering some quite creative compromises -
1:00:54 > 1:00:58we haven't always got that back.
1:00:58 > 1:01:01We will be live in Gothenberg in just a moment.
1:01:01 > 1:01:03The parents facing eviction because of the "noise"
1:01:03 > 1:01:06from their crying baby.
1:01:06 > 1:01:10We'll be speaking to the Father. And the top dog awarded Britain's
1:01:10 > 1:01:17highest military medal for bravery. It was phenomenal, they worked
1:01:17 > 1:01:21together so well as a team, and he did what he did so well on the day,
1:01:21 > 1:01:24and he kept going, no training can prepare a dog for what he went
1:01:24 > 1:01:29through on that day.
1:01:29 > 1:01:30Good morning.
1:01:30 > 1:01:32Here's Annita McVeigh in the BBC Newsroom
1:01:32 > 1:01:38with a summary of today's news.
1:01:38 > 1:01:43Good morning. In the past hour, President Mugabe has made his first
1:01:43 > 1:01:48appearance since the military takeover of Zimbabwe on Wednesday.
1:01:48 > 1:01:51The 93-year-old, seen here meeting the head of the army yesterday,
1:01:51 > 1:01:54is attending a university graduation ceremony in the capital Harare.
1:01:54 > 1:01:55He's reportedly refusing to step down immediately,
1:01:55 > 1:01:57despite growing calls for his resignation.
1:01:58 > 1:02:00The President of the European Council is expected to tell
1:02:00 > 1:02:03Theresa May not to assume that post-Brexit trade
1:02:03 > 1:02:05talks will start as she hopes next month.
1:02:05 > 1:02:07Theresa May will meet the President of the European Council
1:02:07 > 1:02:10in Sweden today, where he's expected to warn
1:02:10 > 1:02:12that she might not achieve her aim of starting post-Brexit trade
1:02:12 > 1:02:16talks next month.
1:02:16 > 1:02:20It's thought Donald Tusk will again demand more clarity
1:02:20 > 1:02:22from the Prime Minister on the UK's plans to settle the first
1:02:22 > 1:02:32phase of negotiations.
1:02:33 > 1:02:37We want to move forward together, talking about the new partnership on
1:02:37 > 1:02:40trade. I look forward to the European Union is responding
1:02:40 > 1:02:43positively on that so that we can move forward together and ensure
1:02:43 > 1:02:48that we get the best possible arrangements for the future so that
1:02:48 > 1:02:53we can get the best arrangement for the UK and the remaining EU 27.
1:02:53 > 1:02:55Police investigating the disappearance of a teenager
1:02:55 > 1:02:57in Dorset are continuing to question a man arrested yesterday
1:02:57 > 1:02:58on suspicion of her murder.
1:02:58 > 1:03:0119-year-old Gaia Pope was last seen in Swanage 10 days ago.
1:03:01 > 1:03:03The 49-year-old suspect is believed to be known to Gaia.
1:03:04 > 1:03:07The pay packages of senior police officers have been published
1:03:07 > 1:03:09in a central database for the first time.
1:03:09 > 1:03:11Figures for 261 officers up to the rank of Chief Constable,
1:03:11 > 1:03:15reveal wide variations - some receive thousands
1:03:15 > 1:03:17of pounds in benefits, a small number claim large sums
1:03:17 > 1:03:19in expenses and others are paid nothing but a salary.
1:03:19 > 1:03:22The figures have been published by the Home Office as part
1:03:22 > 1:03:24of an attempt to increase transparency across forces
1:03:24 > 1:03:32in England and Wales.
1:03:32 > 1:03:34The actor Sylvester Stallone has denied sexually assaulting
1:03:34 > 1:03:38a 16-year-old girl in a hotel room in Las Vegas in 1986.
1:03:38 > 1:03:40He was responding to reports giving details of a police account
1:03:40 > 1:03:43of the teenager's claims.
1:03:43 > 1:03:45No action was taken against the actor at the time.
1:03:45 > 1:03:46Sylvester Stallone's spokeswoman said it was
1:03:46 > 1:03:57a "categorically false story".
1:03:57 > 1:04:00The number of foreign visitors to the UK rose during the summer.
1:04:00 > 1:04:03Official figures show that the number of foreign visitors coming to
1:04:03 > 1:04:09the UK during August rose compared with the same month last year, but
1:04:09 > 1:04:12the number of Britons travelling abroad fail. Analysts say it is the
1:04:12 > 1:04:15latest sign of how the fall in the value of the pound is helping the
1:04:15 > 1:04:20UK's tourism industry.
1:04:20 > 1:04:23A military dog that helped save the lives of troops
1:04:23 > 1:04:25in Afghanistan is being awarded the animal equivalent
1:04:25 > 1:04:26of the Victoria Cross.
1:04:26 > 1:04:28Mali will receive the Dickin Medal, after being seriously injured
1:04:28 > 1:04:30during an operation to clear insurgents from a building
1:04:30 > 1:04:35in Kabul in 2012.
1:04:35 > 1:04:37Despite his injuries he carried on performing his duties,
1:04:37 > 1:04:42but eventually had to be carried to safety.
1:04:42 > 1:04:46And that's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.30.
1:04:46 > 1:04:50I'm very jealous you're getting to meet lots of lovely dogs in the
1:04:50 > 1:04:54studio today! I know, it has been an absolute
1:04:54 > 1:05:02treat. Some of your messages coming in about Mali, a heroic dog who
1:05:02 > 1:05:10saved lives in Afghanistan, the bond we have with military dogs is
1:05:10 > 1:05:16special. Another tweet saying, why would you want to hurt the dog? We
1:05:16 > 1:05:21had Dusty on too, Kaler said, what a brave lady, it takes a lot of
1:05:21 > 1:05:24courage to come forward and tell your story, so glad it has all
1:05:24 > 1:05:26worked out well for her.
1:05:26 > 1:05:29Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -
1:05:29 > 1:05:30use the hashtag #VictoriaLive.
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1:05:33 > 1:05:38Time to get some sport now with Hugh. All the focus on the women's
1:05:38 > 1:05:51Ashes this morning. In blood have -- England have been set a target, they
1:05:51 > 1:05:54had a terrible start, losing captain had a night on just the second ball
1:05:54 > 1:05:59of the innings, and they were reduced to 16-4 and in real trouble
1:05:59 > 1:06:07before a half-century from Wyatt helped to steady things. But then
1:06:07 > 1:06:13she was cheaply run out without adding another run. Fran Wilson got
1:06:13 > 1:06:1823, and a multitude of dropped catches which Australia could yet
1:06:18 > 1:06:25come to regret. In reply, playing very well, 30 without loss after
1:06:25 > 1:06:31four overs. And Australia's when seen -- men seem confident of
1:06:31 > 1:06:38victory, they have opted to release their squad details early.
1:06:38 > 1:06:41Wicketkeeper Tim Paine is back, seven years since his last test
1:06:41 > 1:06:46appearance. He admits he thought his career was over.It is exciting, I
1:06:46 > 1:06:51think it is the biggest series in cricket, and to happen to be here in
1:06:51 > 1:06:54Australia is brilliant. I made a test seven years ago, but I feel
1:06:54 > 1:06:58like I'm about to make it again, so it is extremely exciting, and I'm
1:06:58 > 1:07:05pumped for it.England's batsmen are in control of their final warm up
1:07:05 > 1:07:12match ahead of Thursday's Brisbane test. Moeen Ali struck on day three
1:07:12 > 1:07:15to leave England leading the Australian Cricket 11 by 144 runs
1:07:15 > 1:07:20ahead of tomorrow's final day. BBC Sport understands that the former
1:07:20 > 1:07:22England women's goalkeeping coach Lee Kendall did admit to using a
1:07:22 > 1:07:28fake Caribbean accents towards any Aluko as part of an FA investigation
1:07:28 > 1:07:31Kendall was cleared of unacceptable behaviour by the FA before stepping
1:07:31 > 1:07:36down from his role yesterday. His admission was not included in the FA
1:07:36 > 1:07:41statement, who said no further action was necessary. Sir Bradley
1:07:41 > 1:07:45Wiggins is set to make his competitive rowing debut at next
1:07:45 > 1:07:48month's British indoor champion chips. The 2012 Tour de France
1:07:48 > 1:07:52winner will compete in the 2000 metre race at London's Olympic
1:07:52 > 1:07:58velodrome on the 9th of December. He retired from cycling in December
1:07:58 > 1:08:032016, and admits it may be a bit of a delusional decision. And England
1:08:03 > 1:08:09have taken their first wicket in that vital T20 match, 30-1 now,
1:08:09 > 1:08:15Australia, after four of their 20 overs, they are chasing 123 for
1:08:15 > 1:08:19victory. Thank you.
1:08:19 > 1:08:21EU Council President Donald Tusk is expected to tell Theresa May
1:08:21 > 1:08:23to give up hope of starting post-Brexit trade talks
1:08:23 > 1:08:25before Christmas.
1:08:25 > 1:08:27The Prime Minister is meeting Mr Tusk at a summit
1:08:27 > 1:08:30in Gothenburg in Sweden later.
1:08:30 > 1:08:34He says the EU needs more clarity from Mrs May on the current
1:08:34 > 1:08:36round of negotiations.
1:08:36 > 1:08:39Speaking to the BBC this morning, the Brexit Secretary David Davis
1:08:42 > 1:08:46The Prime Minister said she wanted to move forward together in
1:08:46 > 1:08:50negotiation with EU leaders.Those continue, and we look forward to
1:08:50 > 1:08:54meeting the European Council, and we are continuing to look through the
1:08:54 > 1:08:57issues. I was clear in Florence that we will honour our commitments, but
1:08:57 > 1:09:01of course we want to move forward together, talking about the trade
1:09:01 > 1:09:05issues in partnership for the future. I have set out a vision for
1:09:05 > 1:09:08that economic partnership, and I look forward to the European Union
1:09:08 > 1:09:11responding positively to that so that we can move forward together
1:09:11 > 1:09:13and ensure that we get the best possible arrangements for the future
1:09:13 > 1:09:18that will be good for people in the United Kingdom and across the
1:09:18 > 1:09:22remaining EU 27. Thank you.
1:09:22 > 1:09:30Our correspondent Kevin Connolly is in Gothenburg.
1:09:30 > 1:09:35How do you think it will go down with her European counterparts?I'm
1:09:35 > 1:09:39sure Theresa May would love to know the answer to that! Very interesting
1:09:39 > 1:09:43the Prime Minister has come all this way to talk about core subject
1:09:43 > 1:09:47matter of this European summit, which is the future of workers'
1:09:47 > 1:09:51rights, that won't take effect until long after the UK has ceased to be a
1:09:51 > 1:09:56member. Theresa May's business here is Brexit, she has had a series of
1:09:56 > 1:09:58bilateral meetings already with the leaders of Poland, Ireland and
1:09:58 > 1:10:01Sweden, we think she has more planned and she will have that key
1:10:01 > 1:10:07meeting with Donald Tusk. You heard there that this is a time for
1:10:07 > 1:10:11everyone to start thinking about moving forward together. The problem
1:10:11 > 1:10:15is that other European leaders just don't see this as a kind of moment
1:10:15 > 1:10:21of mutual opportunity, which is how Theresa May and David Davis like to
1:10:21 > 1:10:27portray it. They see it as a matter of damage limitation, and I think
1:10:27 > 1:10:32most crucially of all, where the UK is calling on the European
1:10:32 > 1:10:35negotiators to show a little creativity, the real feeling on the
1:10:35 > 1:10:41European side is that it was a Britain that decided to leave the
1:10:41 > 1:10:43EU, and therefore even now, critically at this moment with the
1:10:43 > 1:10:48December summit looming, any movement, the next movement, has to
1:10:48 > 1:10:54come from Britain, and realistically has to be about money.Kevin
1:10:54 > 1:10:57Connelly, thank you very much. So what does the rest of Europe make of
1:10:57 > 1:11:00the current state of talks?
1:11:00 > 1:11:03Let's talk now to Italian MEP and chair of the powerful Committee
1:11:03 > 1:11:05on Economic and Monetary Affairs, Roberto Gualtieri from
1:11:05 > 1:11:06the Progressive Alliance of Socialists and Democrats,
1:11:07 > 1:11:10German MEP Hans-Olaf Henkel from the European Conservatives
1:11:10 > 1:11:11and Reformists Group, and Hungarian MEP Dr
1:11:11 > 1:11:21Gyorgy Schopflin from the European People's Party.
1:11:21 > 1:11:26A very good morning to you. Roberto, what is your response to David
1:11:26 > 1:11:33Davis's comments yesterday and Theresa May's this morning?We look
1:11:33 > 1:11:37forward to start the discussion on the framework of the future
1:11:37 > 1:11:42relationship that has been opened by the speech of David Davis. I would
1:11:42 > 1:11:45have a lot of comments about the number of points he made, but as
1:11:45 > 1:11:50everybody knows, to start the discussion, we need to have
1:11:50 > 1:11:55sufficient progress in the first phase, and we are not there. So I
1:11:55 > 1:12:00really hope, I urge our counterpart to allow this to happen, so to allow
1:12:00 > 1:12:07us to start this discussion by a arriving to the sufficient progress
1:12:07 > 1:12:11in the three areas. We still have some important but not so minor
1:12:11 > 1:12:15issues open on the citizens rights but for us the first priority, for
1:12:15 > 1:12:20us in the parliament, and we are able of course to secure a deal on
1:12:20 > 1:12:25the financial settlement, which has to implement what Theresa May has
1:12:25 > 1:12:31already said, that the UK will honour all the commitments they can
1:12:31 > 1:12:37to its membership, which is a fair principle, but has to be translated
1:12:37 > 1:12:40in a printable agreement so that we can start phase two and to Skuse the
1:12:40 > 1:12:49points made by David Davis, and I would highlight that he had some
1:12:49 > 1:12:55contradiction, but we have to start there.And what do you make of David
1:12:55 > 1:12:58Davis saying that there are a range of concerns across Europe, the
1:12:58 > 1:13:01biggest one being that the British departure will be an example to
1:13:01 > 1:13:10others.Let me at the outset say that I have been against Brexit, but
1:13:10 > 1:13:15that I do believe that one should respect the vote of the British
1:13:15 > 1:13:20people, and as you heard from a Italian colleague, they talk about
1:13:20 > 1:13:25to conditions which Barnier has asked Britain before they can start
1:13:25 > 1:13:30trade talks. There is a third condition, by the way, which he made
1:13:30 > 1:13:35as a condition, that is that Britain should come up with a solution for
1:13:35 > 1:13:42the border between Northern Ireland and Ireland. Let me take this as an
1:13:42 > 1:13:46example. How can Britain be expected to come up with a solution without
1:13:46 > 1:13:53knowing what kind of a trade or custom steel is in place? And by
1:13:53 > 1:14:01refusing to let Britain now start to talk about this particular area, the
1:14:01 > 1:14:03customs deal, the European Commission makes it very difficult
1:14:03 > 1:14:09for Britain to come up with a proposal. On the basis of money, I
1:14:09 > 1:14:14asked my Italian colleague a very simple question. If you go into a
1:14:14 > 1:14:17shop, you don't name the price without knowing what you're going to
1:14:17 > 1:14:25get for it.So how do we move forward, then?Well, I think we
1:14:25 > 1:14:29should move forward by the EU letting Britain to start on the
1:14:29 > 1:14:35trade negotiations now, and not like Michel Barnier said, I do you do
1:14:35 > 1:14:42this within two weeks, or else. In my view, the European Community does
1:14:42 > 1:14:48a bit of blackmailing here, because these three conditions, two of those
1:14:48 > 1:14:54cannot be fulfilled without knowing what kind of a trade deal exists, is
1:14:54 > 1:14:57that logical?Dr Gyorgy Schopflin, do you think some progress will be
1:14:57 > 1:15:04made before Christmas?I would like to hope so, but I am as a mystic.
1:15:04 > 1:15:08What I see is that the United Kingdom has had any amount of time
1:15:08 > 1:15:15to prepare its position, and is doing so very slowly, and there is
1:15:15 > 1:15:19not really that much actual negotiation. The European Union's
1:15:19 > 1:15:23position has been very clear since April this year, the council
1:15:23 > 1:15:31mandate, Barnier has made his position clear, and I think the
1:15:31 > 1:15:34problem has arisen because the British side has not come up with
1:15:34 > 1:15:37anything that the European Union, the commission side could actually
1:15:37 > 1:15:44engage with. So I hope this changes, but it really does look as if there
1:15:44 > 1:15:49won't be any movement in December at the summit, and who knows at that
1:15:49 > 1:15:51point when they move into the next stage, when they will start talking
1:15:51 > 1:15:56about the trade deal.
1:15:56 > 1:16:02You say even if Brexit was called off, Britain wouldn't be allowed
1:16:02 > 1:16:09back in the same way.Yes, things have moved on. You remember the
1:16:09 > 1:16:12Jean-Claude Juncker speech, the state of EU, Brexit was dealt with
1:16:12 > 1:16:18in a sentence and a half. It means for the 27 Brexit has become a side
1:16:18 > 1:16:22issue. It is quite astonishing in its own way that the United Kingdom
1:16:22 > 1:16:27of course is still one of 28 legally, but politically less and
1:16:27 > 1:16:32less so. The interface between London and Brussels is diminishing
1:16:32 > 1:16:36all the time.Thank you all.
1:16:36 > 1:16:38Still to come: all the time.Thank you all.
1:16:38 > 1:16:41It's going to become illegal for sports coaches to have a sexual
1:16:41 > 1:16:45relationship with 16 and 17 year olds in their care.
1:16:45 > 1:16:47Will young people in sport feel safer?
1:16:47 > 1:16:57We'll speak to the CEO of UK Coaching.
1:17:02 > 1:17:05Robert Mugabe, the man who has ruled Zimbabwe with an iron fist
1:17:05 > 1:17:07for nearly four decades, has been seen in public
1:17:07 > 1:17:09for the first time since the military takeover
1:17:09 > 1:17:14at a university graduation ceremony in Harare.
1:17:14 > 1:17:24These are the aimenings of Robert Mugabe. He wore slowly along a red
1:17:24 > 1:17:27carpet and joined the crowd of graduates singing the national
1:17:27 > 1:17:38anthem. Our correspondent is in Zimbabwe. How much progress has been
1:17:38 > 1:17:42made?We don't know, the military says they're continuing
1:17:42 > 1:17:46negotiations. There is a team from the neighbouring country, South
1:17:46 > 1:17:51Africa, here trying to broker a deal. The development today is very
1:17:51 > 1:17:57significant of Robert Mugabe stepping out of his official
1:17:57 > 1:18:00residence, because up until yesterday we were aware that the
1:18:00 > 1:18:06military had confined him to his residence. But the military is keen
1:18:06 > 1:18:11to make this not look like a coup and don't alienate Robert Mugabe's
1:18:11 > 1:18:17supporters who have a lot of respect for him. The military itself has a
1:18:17 > 1:18:22lot of respect for Robert Mugabe and that is a challenge to the
1:18:22 > 1:18:26negotiations, because many people we understand would rather he steps
1:18:26 > 1:18:31down and that he makes the decision himself to step down. But sources
1:18:31 > 1:18:36say that Robert Mugabe has indicated he would like to serve his full term
1:18:36 > 1:18:41until the election.That would mean elections next year. It is
1:18:41 > 1:18:44interesting that the military is determined not to make this look
1:18:44 > 1:18:50like a coup with the photographs we saw and this footage. Why are they
1:18:50 > 1:18:55so scared about that?That would have repercussions for them
1:18:55 > 1:19:03regionamly and internationally. The African Union suspended Egypt from
1:19:03 > 1:19:07the regional body when a military coup was executed there. So they
1:19:07 > 1:19:12would not want to alienate their allies in the region. And they also
1:19:12 > 1:19:18are careful to make sure that they hand over power from one civilian
1:19:18 > 1:19:23leader to another without you know it looking like they have taken over
1:19:23 > 1:19:28the leadership of the country. Partly because of dynamics in the
1:19:28 > 1:19:31country, Robert Mugabe is a respected figure and as we
1:19:31 > 1:19:35understand it he isn't really the problem here. It is his wife and her
1:19:35 > 1:19:40ambition to succeed him. But she has been absent and she isn't attending
1:19:40 > 1:19:46the ceremony her husband is presiding over now. And also absent
1:19:46 > 1:19:54is the minister for higher education who is a close ally of Mrs Mugabe,
1:19:54 > 1:20:00who we understand the military is also holding.Thank you.
1:20:00 > 1:20:03If you were watching the programme with Chloe yesterday,
1:20:03 > 1:20:05you'll have seen former footballer Andy Woodward making a powerful call
1:20:05 > 1:20:09for more to be done to protect young sports players from abuse.
1:20:09 > 1:20:12Well since that interview the sports minister Tracey Crouch has announced
1:20:12 > 1:20:13tougher rules for sports coaches.
1:20:13 > 1:20:15We'll here more about what she's proposing in a moment.
1:20:15 > 1:20:20First here's a clip from Andy's interview.
1:20:20 > 1:20:23Personally, after doing all the studies and all the research
1:20:23 > 1:20:28and the groups of people that have supported me over the last year,
1:20:28 > 1:20:32I don't believe that it's a safer place than it was a year ago.
1:20:32 > 1:20:36But I have the tools and the knowledge and the understanding
1:20:36 > 1:20:40and also the groups of people around me that can make that change
1:20:40 > 1:20:43now and will make it a much safer place for children,
1:20:43 > 1:20:47because that's what it's all about.
1:20:47 > 1:20:50And this can't happen again, what happened all them years ago
1:20:50 > 1:20:57to all these players, this cannot happen again.
1:20:57 > 1:20:58In Parliament yesterday, sports minister Tracey Crouch
1:20:58 > 1:21:04responded directly to Andy's comments made on this programme.
1:21:04 > 1:21:09As a consequence of that courage, he has made sure
1:21:09 > 1:21:11that we in Government and other parts of the sporting sector
1:21:11 > 1:21:13are taking this issue incredibly seriously.
1:21:13 > 1:21:15Which is why I'm actually pleased to announce that I have secured
1:21:15 > 1:21:21ministerial agreement with the Department of Justice,
1:21:21 > 1:21:23the Ministry of Justice and the Home Office,
1:21:23 > 1:21:26to change laws on the position of trust so that it
1:21:26 > 1:21:29includes sports coaches.
1:21:29 > 1:21:32So, that means it'll become illegal for sports coaches to have a sexual
1:21:32 > 1:21:35relationship with 16 and 17 year olds in their care.
1:21:35 > 1:21:39Does that mean young people in sport can now feel safer?
1:21:39 > 1:21:42Joining me is the CEO of UK Coaching, Mark Gannon and with me
1:21:42 > 1:21:50in the studio is Almudena Lara from the NSPCC.
1:21:50 > 1:21:56Mark, why isn't this illegal already?It is a good question. I
1:21:56 > 1:22:03don't know. It is a position that we as UK Coaching and the NSPCC have
1:22:03 > 1:22:06been advocating for a long time. The good position about the position
1:22:06 > 1:22:12about trust it is not just the sexual consent of 16 and
1:22:12 > 1:22:1717-year-olds. It is about a duty of care preventing harm to people
1:22:17 > 1:22:20taking part in sport. We welcome the announcement.How much of a
1:22:20 > 1:22:25difference do you think it will actually make?I think it is a
1:22:25 > 1:22:29strong step, a bold statement towards making better improvements.
1:22:29 > 1:22:33There has been a lot done in recent years, but this is a powerful
1:22:33 > 1:22:36statement to take us further. I still think there is some work to be
1:22:36 > 1:22:42done. Sports are regulated and advised by the NSPCC and the
1:22:42 > 1:22:46government. But I still think there is some centralisation that would
1:22:46 > 1:22:49allow us to have a better understanding of who is coaching and
1:22:49 > 1:22:55what they're doing.Let' bring in the NSPCC, the age of consent in the
1:22:55 > 1:23:04UK is 16, although that is 18 if a person holds a position of trust. It
1:23:04 > 1:23:09covers teachers and carers, but not coaches.Yes and that is a gap in
1:23:09 > 1:23:12the law. We need to make sure that gap is closed.What is your response
1:23:12 > 1:23:20to this news?We welcome the news and I think it comes at a good time.
1:23:20 > 1:23:24But not as early as we would have liked to see it happening and we
1:23:24 > 1:23:28need to make sure it goes from the promise to change the law into
1:23:28 > 1:23:33actual changing the law. So that children can be safer.Do you think
1:23:33 > 1:23:41the law goes far enough?We think the changes to the law need to be
1:23:41 > 1:23:48extended beyond coaches to other adults in a position of trust, like
1:23:48 > 1:23:53people in youth workers that have access to young people and can
1:23:53 > 1:23:57manipulate the access they have to their own benefit.What more can
1:23:57 > 1:24:02sports clubs do in general?What we advocate is that sports clubs should
1:24:02 > 1:24:07have a strong safe guarding policy in place and the safe guarding of
1:24:07 > 1:24:12children is taken seriously and that would mean that all the club
1:24:12 > 1:24:16understand the needs and the requirements to keep children safe
1:24:16 > 1:24:20as well as parents and carers so they can actually demand from the
1:24:20 > 1:24:24sports club that the children in their care are kept safe.Is that
1:24:24 > 1:24:30the case for all sports clubs, Mark? Yes it is. I think one of the
1:24:30 > 1:24:38challenges is those clubs that are not necessarily governed by a
1:24:38 > 1:24:46national body. It is the providers who are not aligned. That is not to
1:24:46 > 1:24:49say there is not great coaching going on, but there should be a
1:24:49 > 1:24:57better system.What sorts of sports are they?Well, it is not sports
1:24:57 > 1:25:01necessarily, maybe somebody who has been a participant in sport and
1:25:01 > 1:25:06they're setting up their own classes or sporting activities, but they're
1:25:06 > 1:25:11not necessarily aligned to a governing body.If you're a parent
1:25:11 > 1:25:17and your child is going to a sports club, what should you look out for?
1:25:17 > 1:25:25To see if the club is aligned to the national governing body of the sport
1:25:25 > 1:25:29or the local authority so, then there are measures they have to
1:25:29 > 1:25:37adhere to and that puts more safeguarding in place. It is
1:25:37 > 1:25:42important we recognise there are a lot of people coaching and we
1:25:42 > 1:25:48acknowledge some of the concerning things that have come to light, we
1:25:48 > 1:25:54have to make sure we do all we can to make sure it is safe. There is a
1:25:54 > 1:26:03lot of good coaching and we need to sure we mitigate this.What is your
1:26:03 > 1:26:09advice to parents?Parents need to encourage children to take part in
1:26:09 > 1:26:13activities and shouldn't be scared, because most of the coaching is good
1:26:13 > 1:26:18coaching and children are safe. But they need to keep alert to the signs
1:26:18 > 1:26:24of grooming by adults in sports activities. If the child feels
1:26:24 > 1:26:27isolated or starts changing behaviour, they need to be alert to
1:26:27 > 1:26:32those signs and they need to raise those with the child and with the
1:26:32 > 1:26:41adults that they take.What impact has Andy Woodward speaking out has
1:26:41 > 1:26:45on calls to you.It is brilliant to have people with high profiles
1:26:45 > 1:26:50speaking. That raises awareness. I don't think we would be here today
1:26:50 > 1:26:55if it were not for his bravery. And we need to make sure that people
1:26:55 > 1:27:01feel free to talk and feel safe to talk about things that go in sports
1:27:01 > 1:27:04or behind closed doors. So we can ensure that children are kept safe.
1:27:04 > 1:27:13Do you think the law needs to be extended to other areas.Yes. What
1:27:13 > 1:27:25are they? To other youth activities. For example?When children going to
1:27:25 > 1:27:29activities that are not regulated like the scout activities or they
1:27:29 > 1:27:33have after school activities that might not pass the threshold of a
1:27:33 > 1:27:37regulated sport but actually involves adults spending time with
1:27:37 > 1:27:41children and gaining their trust and having access to them.Thank you
1:27:41 > 1:27:51very much.
1:27:52 > 1:27:58Still to come a campaign be against cuts to bereavement pay. I want to
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1:28:03 > 1:28:10getting in touch to do with pet violence. Good news about pet
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1:28:26 > 1:28:33coming in. Now time for the latest news.
1:28:33 > 1:28:35Time for the latest news - here's Annita.
1:28:35 > 1:28:38In the past hour, President Mugabe has made his first public appearance
1:28:38 > 1:28:40since military takeover in Zimbabwe on Wednesday.
1:28:40 > 1:28:42The 93-year old, who has been held under house,
1:28:42 > 1:28:44appeared at a graduation ceremony at a university in
1:28:44 > 1:28:45the capital Harare.
1:28:45 > 1:28:48He's reportedly refusing to step down immediately,
1:28:48 > 1:28:51despite growing calls for his resignation.
1:28:51 > 1:28:56The President of the European Council is expected to tell
1:28:56 > 1:28:58Theresa May not to assume that post-Brexit trade
1:28:58 > 1:29:01talks will start as she hopes next month.
1:29:01 > 1:29:03Theresa May will meet the President of the European Council
1:29:03 > 1:29:05in Sweden later, where he's expected to warn
1:29:05 > 1:29:08that she might not achieve her aim of starting post-Brexit trade
1:29:08 > 1:29:09talks next month.
1:29:09 > 1:29:11It's thought Donald Tusk will again demand more clarity
1:29:11 > 1:29:14from the Prime Minister on the UK's plans to settle the first
1:29:14 > 1:29:18phase of negotiations.
1:29:18 > 1:29:19Police investigating the disappearance of a teenager
1:29:19 > 1:29:22in Dorset are continuing to question a man arrested yesterday
1:29:22 > 1:29:23on suspicion of her murder.
1:29:23 > 1:29:2519-year-old Gaia Pope was last seen in Swanage 10 days ago.
1:29:25 > 1:29:34The 49-year-old suspect is believed to be known to Gaia.
1:29:34 > 1:29:35way you
1:29:35 > 1:29:37The pay packages of senior police officers have been published
1:29:37 > 1:29:39in a central database for the first time.
1:29:39 > 1:29:43Figures for 261 officers up to the rank of Chief Constable,
1:29:43 > 1:29:45reveal wide variations - some receive thousands
1:29:45 > 1:29:47of pounds in benefits, a small number claim large sums
1:29:47 > 1:29:53in expenses and others are paid nothing but a salary.
1:29:53 > 1:29:56The figures have been published by the Home Office as part
1:29:56 > 1:29:57of an attempt to increase transparency across forces
1:29:57 > 1:30:05in England and Wales.
1:30:05 > 1:30:08The number of foreign visitors to the UK rose during the summer.
1:30:08 > 1:30:10Official figures, show the number of international tourists coming
1:30:10 > 1:30:18to the country in August rose by 5% to 3.9 million, compared
1:30:18 > 1:30:19with the same month last year.
1:30:19 > 1:30:21However the number of Britons travelling abroad fell.
1:30:21 > 1:30:24Analysts say it's the latest sign of how the fall in the value
1:30:24 > 1:30:34of the pound is helping the UK's tourism industry.
1:30:40 > 1:30:49were. It does look great, Australia could retain their women's Ashes
1:30:49 > 1:30:54title, and they have started very well indeed, they have lost a couple
1:30:54 > 1:30:58of wickets. Best mini's half-century have helped push them now to 77-2
1:30:58 > 1:31:03after ten of their 20 overs, so they are well on their way to the 133.
1:31:03 > 1:31:06Just six days until the men's Ashes
1:31:06 > 1:31:10starts, and mowing alley has shown form, taking two wickets in the
1:31:10 > 1:31:16final warm up match. They will take a lead of 144 into the final day.
1:31:16 > 1:31:19BBC Sport understands that the former England women's head coach
1:31:19 > 1:31:27Lee Kendall admitted to using a fake Caribbean accent towards any Aluko.
1:31:27 > 1:31:31Kendall was cleared of unacceptable behaviour before stepping down from
1:31:31 > 1:31:34his role yesterday. And Sir Bradley Wiggins will launch his competitive
1:31:34 > 1:31:37rowing career next month. That is when he takes on the GB rowing team
1:31:37 > 1:31:41at the British indoor champion chips. The 2012 Tour de France
1:31:41 > 1:31:44winner says he may be a bit delusional, we will see a fierce
1:31:44 > 1:31:50right on the 9th of December. I will be back with more after 11. Thank
1:31:50 > 1:31:52you, Hugh.
1:31:52 > 1:31:55Let's return now to an issue we've discussed on the programme before -
1:31:55 > 1:31:58the financial support made to families when a parent dies.
1:31:58 > 1:32:00You may remember that the Goverment changed the rules
1:32:00 > 1:32:01earlier in the year.
1:32:01 > 1:32:03Before April 6th 2017, families would get regular
1:32:03 > 1:32:06payments for up to 20 years.
1:32:06 > 1:32:08Now they get a larger initial sum, but regular payments
1:32:08 > 1:32:11stop after 18 months.
1:32:11 > 1:32:14Charities, church leaders and some politicians say the changes leave
1:32:14 > 1:32:1675% of UK families affected by bereavement worse off
1:32:16 > 1:32:22financially, compared to before.
1:32:22 > 1:32:25Days before the bereavement benefit changed, we spoke
1:32:25 > 1:32:26to a man we called "Alan".
1:32:26 > 1:32:28He had a wife and two young children.
1:32:28 > 1:32:30He also had incurable cancer.
1:32:35 > 1:32:39If I were to have died, or still do, in the next couple of days
1:32:39 > 1:32:43my family will benefit from the current support system.
1:32:43 > 1:32:48Two days later, we lose £50,000.
1:32:50 > 1:32:55What conversations have you had with your family about this?
1:32:57 > 1:33:02I've explained the situation to them, I've said in some ways it
1:33:02 > 1:33:09wouldn't be a bad thing if they lost me a couple of days
1:33:09 > 1:33:13early, because at least there'd be more financial support available.
1:33:13 > 1:33:21Of course, even talking in those terms is very upsetting.
1:33:21 > 1:33:24And how do they react when you say that?
1:33:26 > 1:33:32Well, they are...
1:33:32 > 1:33:34They're very shocked that the Government, which as far
1:33:34 > 1:33:40as we all understand, talks a good story about being
1:33:40 > 1:33:47caring and compassionate, but in actual fact has deemed
1:33:47 > 1:33:52arbitrarily that the period of bereavement which for 70 years
1:33:52 > 1:33:59has been set by the Government as children up to the age of 19
1:33:59 > 1:34:05to 20, suddenly the whole process of bereavement is now different,
1:34:05 > 1:34:10for some unknown and unexplained reason.
1:34:10 > 1:34:16And Theresa May even yesterday supported the theory,
1:34:16 > 1:34:19no support for it whatsoever,
1:34:19 > 1:34:21that you can acceptably bereave
1:34:21 > 1:34:25for 18 months and then suddenly all is well.
1:34:25 > 1:34:28I...
1:34:28 > 1:34:36I know she's not a parent, as such, and may not have some
1:34:36 > 1:34:40of the emotional feeling and empathy towards children but, nevertheless,
1:34:40 > 1:34:43her advisers shouldn't have let her speak out in such
1:34:43 > 1:34:47a simplistic way, because we've all had people...
1:34:47 > 1:34:54Known people who had losses, and losses and the pain
1:34:54 > 1:35:01and the anguish don't suddenly turn off like a tap at month 18.
1:35:01 > 1:35:04So it was perhaps one of the most naive things someone
1:35:04 > 1:35:08senior has ever said.
1:35:09 > 1:35:12Alan died a few weeks after this interview.
1:35:12 > 1:35:15The Government says it will monitor and review the effect
1:35:15 > 1:35:20of Bereavement Support Payment, but a team of charities,
1:35:20 > 1:35:25experts and bereaved relatives say even more needs to be done to help
1:35:25 > 1:35:30families who lose a parent of working age.
1:35:30 > 1:35:34Particularly to protect children.
1:35:34 > 1:35:38Well joining us now is Lucy Twomey-Freidlander,
1:35:38 > 1:35:39whose husband died in 2015.
1:35:39 > 1:35:40They had four children together.
1:35:40 > 1:35:42The chair of Life Matters - Ben Brooks-Dutton.
1:35:42 > 1:35:44Georgia Elms, from the charity, Widowed & Young.
1:35:44 > 1:35:45And former Conservative pensions minister -
1:35:45 > 1:35:47Baroness Ros Altman.
1:35:47 > 1:35:51The task force was formed not long after the changes to bereavement PEI
1:35:51 > 1:35:56were brought in in April. What have you been doing since then?We
1:35:56 > 1:35:59brought together the task force to fight the changes, and when that
1:35:59 > 1:36:03didn't happen and the changes went forward, we realised that even if we
1:36:03 > 1:36:08had managed to do that, there was a lot that needed to be done, so we
1:36:08 > 1:36:13have been working together as a community of Parisian supporters and
1:36:13 > 1:36:22bereaved parents and we have looked at a series of recommendations. We
1:36:22 > 1:36:24took those policy recommendations to the House of Commons earlier this
1:36:24 > 1:36:31week.Their response?It was positive. There were some really
1:36:31 > 1:36:34good reaction was there, but there is amounting to climb because there
1:36:34 > 1:36:38is so much that needs to be done. We have made a film which we are asking
1:36:38 > 1:36:48people to share with their MPs,... In a nutshell, what are the
1:36:48 > 1:36:54recommendations?The headline is how we find the children, effectively at
1:36:54 > 1:36:59the moment, bereaved children are invisible, no record is kept. So we
1:36:59 > 1:37:02put a Freedom of Information request through to find out how many there
1:37:02 > 1:37:06were, how many there are, and there is no record whatsoever.Why does
1:37:06 > 1:37:10that matter?Because if we can't find them, we can't look at the
1:37:10 > 1:37:14statistics or get help to them, so local authorities can't know where
1:37:14 > 1:37:19they are or how they need support, so the first recommendation is to
1:37:19 > 1:37:24register, when you register a death, that dependent children would be
1:37:24 > 1:37:28included on that. On my wife's death certificate it doesn't say that she
1:37:28 > 1:37:33had dependent children, which is what makes them invisible. You can
1:37:33 > 1:37:37find out how many children are from divorced parents, that statistic is
1:37:37 > 1:37:44taken every year, but when a parent dies, the child becomes invisible.
1:37:44 > 1:37:49Baroness Ross Orton, you were part of our coverage in April. Where do
1:37:49 > 1:37:54you stand on these changes?After your programme, a cross-party group
1:37:54 > 1:38:00of us wrote to the Secretary of State for the Department for Work
1:38:00 > 1:38:03and Pensions and asked him to reconsider some of the changes. We
1:38:03 > 1:38:06understand that the Government wanted to simplify bereavement
1:38:06 > 1:38:12support payments, that is absolutely right. But what I find unacceptable
1:38:12 > 1:38:16is that the money has been reduced for families with dependent
1:38:16 > 1:38:20children. It's true that families without dependent children will get
1:38:20 > 1:38:24more in the new system, but it seems to me absolutely wrong that the
1:38:24 > 1:38:31government is saying that after 18 months, parents with children who
1:38:31 > 1:38:35have been bereaved should be over their mourning period and don't need
1:38:35 > 1:38:40any more support. So what we want to encourage the Government to do is
1:38:40 > 1:38:44think again on this one and perhaps introduce specific benefits for
1:38:44 > 1:38:52children so that after the 18 months, money can be paid to
1:38:52 > 1:38:54dependent children is a special benefit if they have lost a parent.
1:38:54 > 1:39:04Would that have helped you, Lucy? Yes. I guess it looks... On paper.
1:39:04 > 1:39:12They've died before 2017, so I am lucky, on paper.Tell us what
1:39:12 > 1:39:22happened.Viv was 36, very well, he was a doctor, I am a nurse, we both
1:39:22 > 1:39:26worked in the health service, he had finished night shifts, our youngest
1:39:26 > 1:39:30was nine months old, I was on maternity leave and preparing to go
1:39:30 > 1:39:34back to work. And he went for his normal Sunday run, and he went out
1:39:34 > 1:39:41to Hampstead Heath, and he collapsed. He then died, and it is
1:39:41 > 1:39:44you still can't believe you are talking about your family more than
1:39:44 > 1:39:47two years later. He was taken to hospital, and he died two days
1:39:47 > 1:39:54later. So it was very sudden, and we worked in the health service, but
1:39:54 > 1:40:00nothing could prepare you, your world is just shatters. Your
1:40:00 > 1:40:05children's world shatters.How many children?We have four children,
1:40:05 > 1:40:10they were all different ages at the time, my youngest nine months old,
1:40:10 > 1:40:15my four-year-old, my eight-year-old. And I just remember that feeling at
1:40:15 > 1:40:21the hospital, it was one of utter terror, but really feeling that, OK,
1:40:21 > 1:40:26someone is now going to tell me what to do. Something is going to kick
1:40:26 > 1:40:32in, and no, it doesn't. I have just got the most amazing friends, the
1:40:32 > 1:40:37most amazing family, and it was down to them to figure out what to do.
1:40:37 > 1:40:41And then I was extremely lucky that one of my friends put me in contact
1:40:41 > 1:40:50very early on, and a few month later I heard about Grief Encounter one of
1:40:50 > 1:40:54the charities involved, and it is that point of contact, being in
1:40:54 > 1:40:59contact with other people that had been bereaved and other widows, but
1:40:59 > 1:41:02also the support from the charity, it is not a government body, that
1:41:02 > 1:41:08has really been the main source of support for us.And if you didn't
1:41:08 > 1:41:12have a strong support network, if you hadn't heard about outside
1:41:12 > 1:41:20agencies, what do you think would have happened?Do you know, I can't
1:41:20 > 1:41:26really contemplate what that must feel like, but I know for lots of
1:41:26 > 1:41:30other people who are widowed, that is their reality. And I don't think
1:41:30 > 1:41:39anyone can underestimate how much every aspect of your life changes.
1:41:39 > 1:41:43The simplest tasks, you go from being a well functioning person
1:41:43 > 1:41:51about to return to work to just being engulfed and not being able to
1:41:51 > 1:41:54leave the house. I remember within the first week or two just sobbing
1:41:54 > 1:42:00that I couldn't get my daughter dressed, I didn't know how. So to
1:42:00 > 1:42:04not have friends and family, or to not have outside agencies would have
1:42:04 > 1:42:13just made my life impossible, but my children's life, just, yes.Let me
1:42:13 > 1:42:16read you a statement from the Department for Work and Pensions who
1:42:16 > 1:42:22say, we have already made a commitment to monitor and review the
1:42:22 > 1:42:25effect of treatment support payment, and we will carry this out once we
1:42:25 > 1:42:29have assessed all aspects of the arrangement. It says it changed the
1:42:29 > 1:42:32benefit in the first is to modernise the system. Why do you think it
1:42:32 > 1:42:37doesn't work?They have totally not modernised it with regard to the
1:42:37 > 1:42:43fact that they are basically saying 18 months. My children are ten and
1:42:43 > 1:42:5012 now, and they are still grieving for the loss of their father.
1:42:50 > 1:42:52Basically, 18 months is not modernising it. The other key thing
1:42:52 > 1:42:57is that if they were modernising it, a lot of children now, their parents
1:42:57 > 1:43:01aren't married, and basically they still have not included that, so
1:43:01 > 1:43:05they will only pay the bereavement support payment of people who are
1:43:05 > 1:43:09married.So what happens if you have been living with your partner?
1:43:09 > 1:43:16Forget about it.You get nothing. They are ignoring it. If you move in
1:43:16 > 1:43:20with somebody while you are claiming the bereavement support payment, you
1:43:20 > 1:43:23lose it, so the Government recognise it then, but they don't recognise it
1:43:23 > 1:43:28when... That is just horrendous. It is 2017, a lot of people have
1:43:28 > 1:43:32children when they are not married, and they are just forgetting those,
1:43:32 > 1:43:34and the fact that they have just forgotten that, if they are
1:43:34 > 1:43:38modernising it, why have they not included that?What do you think
1:43:38 > 1:43:44needs to happen?They need to look at the 18 months, to move that. I
1:43:44 > 1:43:46was bereaved when I found out I was pregnant the following day after my
1:43:46 > 1:43:50husband died, so I would have been entitled to claim the money until my
1:43:50 > 1:43:56daughter was 18. But not every body is like that. The standard term is
1:43:56 > 1:44:00six years. They are saying 18 months, they really need to look at
1:44:00 > 1:44:05the length of time, but also, it is other things. The task force are
1:44:05 > 1:44:09looking at other things that they need, so it is like every single
1:44:09 > 1:44:12year I have to tell my children's schoolteachers that they are
1:44:12 > 1:44:18briefed. So one of my daughters went to an assembly where a vicar came in
1:44:18 > 1:44:25and was talking about rabbits dying, and saying that you all know about
1:44:25 > 1:44:28somebody that's dying, and my daughter ended up leaving their
1:44:28 > 1:44:31crying, because the vicar had been told, they didn't know that there
1:44:31 > 1:44:35was children in that class that were bereaved.So it is not just about
1:44:35 > 1:44:43the finance.It is the whole way that bereavement is considered.We
1:44:43 > 1:44:46have been very careful not to make this about just financial support,
1:44:46 > 1:44:51it is very much about the emotional support they need, too. The policy
1:44:51 > 1:44:54recommendations we are looking at are about education, training for
1:44:54 > 1:44:57all teachers and carers of children, about grief and bereavement so that
1:44:57 > 1:45:01they can give children the support, getting it on the national
1:45:01 > 1:45:04curriculum so that children can learn about it, not just when it has
1:45:04 > 1:45:09happened to them. And creating a cross government strategy so that
1:45:09 > 1:45:13there are proper systems in place to work together, and also having a
1:45:13 > 1:45:17proper consultation about this. I see the statement from the DWP, but
1:45:17 > 1:45:19going back to the question about what would happen, nothing happens
1:45:19 > 1:45:25at the moment, when a child is born, people come round, people monitor
1:45:25 > 1:45:29the situation, come round to the house, Rio Ferdinand talks about it
1:45:29 > 1:45:33in his book, he says it so well, it is in our report, when a child is
1:45:33 > 1:45:37born, there is so much help there, but when a parent dies, you are
1:45:37 > 1:45:42completely on your own.
1:45:42 > 1:45:49I would add, the benefit is one aspect, to talk of 18 months, we are
1:45:49 > 1:45:55two and a half years in, my child wasn't ready to have any kind of
1:45:55 > 1:45:59therapy for at least 18 months, which is when that payment would
1:45:59 > 1:46:06have stopped. I take her to Grief Encounter once a week. My
1:46:06 > 1:46:10four-year-old has somebody from the charity that goes into her school.
1:46:10 > 1:46:17But what the payment allows and it is based on national insurance
1:46:17 > 1:46:23contributions, it allows me as the parent to navigate juggling work
1:46:23 > 1:46:27with looking after and caring for, caring for three young children, my
1:46:27 > 1:46:31son is at university now, three young children, but also children
1:46:31 > 1:46:41that... They're bereved and they do have, it is not extra needs, it is a
1:46:41 > 1:46:45different, things come up. It gives you that added, things change and I
1:46:45 > 1:46:49don't know what the next year for my children will entail and what they
1:46:49 > 1:46:54will need. So having that payment, if I had that payment then taken
1:46:54 > 1:46:59away the pressure on me... 18 months, it is nothing in the
1:46:59 > 1:47:05timeline.I'm sure we will be back to revisit this story. Thank you all
1:47:05 > 1:47:08for coming in today.
1:47:08 > 1:47:09Now imagine this.
1:47:09 > 1:47:12You're a parent with a young family in rented accommodation.
1:47:12 > 1:47:15You've got two kids, one of which is a 15-month-old
1:47:15 > 1:47:17who naturally cries a lot.
1:47:17 > 1:47:19You then receive a letter from your management company
1:47:19 > 1:47:21threatening you with eviction because of the "noise"
1:47:21 > 1:47:26your baby has been making.
1:47:26 > 1:47:29That is what happened to parents Attila and Ilkido Wurth,
1:47:29 > 1:47:32who were told that if the noise continued, they would be given "two
1:47:32 > 1:47:37weeks' notice to vacate".
1:47:37 > 1:47:45Let's speak now to Attila Wurth, who joins me on Skype from London.
1:47:45 > 1:47:53How did this escalate?Well, it started immediately as we moved in.
1:47:53 > 1:47:56The next day we got a noise complaint. At that point we didn't
1:47:56 > 1:48:01know what it was and we tried to be quiet. So make sure that we don't
1:48:01 > 1:48:08disturb the neighbours. But then soon we got further complaints and
1:48:08 > 1:48:15we wanted to find out what was it. Turned out it was her our daughter
1:48:15 > 1:48:20crying occasionally before 7. Or our son sometimes running out to the
1:48:20 > 1:48:25potty at 6.40 and times like that. Although usually he only wakes up
1:48:25 > 1:48:31after 7. But occasionally it happened sooner. And as there is a
1:48:31 > 1:48:36clause in the contract that we should be very quiet between 11 and
1:48:36 > 1:48:437, they immediately started threatening us with eviction.The
1:48:43 > 1:48:45management company say, we didn't issue a threat of eviction, we
1:48:45 > 1:48:50stated if the level of complaints continued, we would be left with no
1:48:50 > 1:48:56alternative but to consider this as an option. What is happening now?
1:48:56 > 1:49:01Well, what really happened, he sent us an e-mail first saying that we
1:49:01 > 1:49:05agreed in a phone conversation that if there is more noise we will leave
1:49:05 > 1:49:11the property. Which we didn't. So they made that up. Then we, we told
1:49:11 > 1:49:17them we can't just leave like that, and we are not going to leave, then
1:49:17 > 1:49:24they sent us another e-mail to say that if noises continue, we are
1:49:24 > 1:49:29going to get a section 8 note that is will give us two weeks to eleven.
1:49:29 > 1:49:34I don't know if that is not a threat, I don't know what is. They
1:49:34 > 1:49:39said up to that time we should try to be quiet.How stressful is that
1:49:39 > 1:49:45for you with two small children?It is terribly stressful. We just moved
1:49:45 > 1:49:50in and the move was stressful enough and then we have to hear we have to
1:49:50 > 1:49:54move again. We moved here for a reason. So we don't want to move
1:49:54 > 1:49:59anywhere else, because we are renting this pricey accommodation to
1:49:59 > 1:50:05be close to a good school. If we move, our son will not get in. So we
1:50:05 > 1:50:09just can't.Thank you very much for coming on to talk to us about what
1:50:09 > 1:50:12happened.
1:50:12 > 1:50:15A British Military Working Dog who helped save the lives of troops
1:50:15 > 1:50:18in Afghanistan is to be awarded the prestigious PDSA Dickin Medal -
1:50:18 > 1:50:22the animal equivalent of the Victoria Cross.
1:50:22 > 1:50:25Mali, a Belgian Malinois, will receive the honour
1:50:25 > 1:50:27for his heroic actions during an operation
1:50:27 > 1:50:30in Afghanistan in 2012.
1:50:30 > 1:50:33We actually had to climb up a concrete stairwell to get up
1:50:33 > 1:50:36onto the next floor, because that's where these guys
1:50:36 > 1:50:38were dropping grenades down through holes in our
1:50:38 > 1:50:43ceiling, their floor.
1:50:43 > 1:50:47And he went up and, sure enough, to show our little methods
1:50:47 > 1:50:50were working, he indicated to me that there was enemy up there.
1:50:50 > 1:50:54And that enabled us to work out a way of getting up onto the next
1:50:54 > 1:50:58floor without using the stairs.
1:50:58 > 1:51:02By the time the end of the operation came and we'd broken out
1:51:02 > 1:51:08of the roof, we'd already realised that we'd cleared the building.
1:51:08 > 1:51:13And I looked down and it was only then that reality bit and I took
1:51:13 > 1:51:16stock of what had actually happened to my dog over the course
1:51:16 > 1:51:20of the last, sort of, eight hours.
1:51:20 > 1:51:22He had quite a large laceration under his...
1:51:22 > 1:51:26Just under his sternum, on the inside of his legs as well.
1:51:26 > 1:51:29Again, his ear had a bit of a hole blown in it.
1:51:29 > 1:51:32All of us had been peppered with fragments from multiple
1:51:32 > 1:51:39grenades that had gone off.
1:51:39 > 1:51:44From operations that we'd been on previously, he had shown his...
1:51:44 > 1:51:50Really shown his mettle and built a reputation
1:51:50 > 1:51:55among all the guys, so, as I say, by the time we launched
1:51:55 > 1:51:58onto this operation we really felt that we had a guardian angel amongst
1:51:58 > 1:52:02us, nothing was going to happen to us.
1:52:02 > 1:52:05Well, earlier on I had the pleasure of meeting Mali and his current
1:52:05 > 1:52:08handler corporal Daniel Hatley, who trained him as a puppy.
1:52:08 > 1:52:09An amazing dog to train.
1:52:09 > 1:52:11Picks stuff up really quickly, loves to...
1:52:11 > 1:52:14Wants to work, wants to learn.
1:52:14 > 1:52:16His general character, he's just a very funny dog,
1:52:16 > 1:52:17if that makes sense.
1:52:17 > 1:52:18He can always make you smile.
1:52:18 > 1:52:20Right.
1:52:20 > 1:52:23And what's that training process like?
1:52:23 > 1:52:25It's quite intensive.
1:52:25 > 1:52:28You have to sort of constantly be teaching a dog.
1:52:28 > 1:52:32Dogs learn very much through repetition, so we have to do
1:52:32 > 1:52:36things a lot of time for them to sort of pick it up by themselves.
1:52:36 > 1:52:38It's a very slow process with good progression but, again,
1:52:38 > 1:52:39very, very long process.
1:52:39 > 1:52:41We can see him in action now.
1:52:41 > 1:52:42Yeah.
1:52:42 > 1:52:47How does he compared to other dogs who were serving in the military?
1:52:47 > 1:52:50He's just like any other dog that's serving in the military,
1:52:50 > 1:52:55but just what he did on that day makes him stand out.
1:52:55 > 1:52:57He's having a lovely time, there.
1:52:57 > 1:52:58Very comfortable on our rug!
1:52:58 > 1:53:01What exactly happened on that day?
1:53:01 > 1:53:08Insurgency seized a multistorey building in Kabul, and an assault
1:53:08 > 1:53:11force was sent forward to obviously go and retrieve that building
1:53:11 > 1:53:12off coalition forces.
1:53:12 > 1:53:15And Mali was the dog that was used on that operation,
1:53:15 > 1:53:19and he was sent into the building ahead of the forces to look for IEDs
1:53:19 > 1:53:23and any potential enemy combatants.
1:53:23 > 1:53:24And he was hurt badly.
1:53:24 > 1:53:25He was.
1:53:25 > 1:53:28He received blast injuries from two grenades.
1:53:28 > 1:53:31He kept going.
1:53:31 > 1:53:34Obviously afterwards he did receive some injuries that he had to be
1:53:34 > 1:53:36treated for at the end of the operation.
1:53:36 > 1:53:38And how long did it take for Mali to recover?
1:53:38 > 1:53:39Hello!
1:53:39 > 1:53:43He was initially treated in Afghanistan and was flown back
1:53:43 > 1:53:45to the UK a few weeks after that.
1:53:45 > 1:53:49From a general point of view he was pretty fit
1:53:49 > 1:53:52and healthy when he got back, but it was more just a healing
1:53:52 > 1:53:55process and stopping infection and getting him back to normal.
1:53:55 > 1:53:57It's quite rare for animals to win this award.
1:53:57 > 1:54:00I think Mali is the only living animal to have won it
1:54:00 > 1:54:02in seven or eight years, is that right?
1:54:02 > 1:54:03I believe so, yeah.
1:54:03 > 1:54:05So how many dogs are used in combat?
1:54:05 > 1:54:07Hundreds.
1:54:07 > 1:54:10If you go back to Afghanistan in the sort of height
1:54:10 > 1:54:13of the conflict, there could have been anything sort of 130 plus dogs
1:54:13 > 1:54:14in Afghanistan at the time.
1:54:14 > 1:54:17They are a massive, massive need for the forces.
1:54:17 > 1:54:19The guys want them on the ground, you know?
1:54:19 > 1:54:20Everyone wants a dog on the ground.
1:54:20 > 1:54:23Training's one thing, but what's it like when they are actually
1:54:23 > 1:54:25in a live situation?
1:54:25 > 1:54:26That training has to kick in.
1:54:26 > 1:54:29A lot of that must be dependent on the relationship that the dog,
1:54:29 > 1:54:32Mali, has with its handler?
1:54:32 > 1:54:33Absolutely.
1:54:33 > 1:54:36The bond is so imperative, and the bond he had with his handler
1:54:36 > 1:54:39was phenomenal, and that's why, you know, they worked together
1:54:39 > 1:54:42so well as a team and that's why, you know, he did what he did
1:54:42 > 1:54:44on the day and he kept going, you know?
1:54:44 > 1:54:47No training can prepare a dog for what he went
1:54:47 > 1:54:49through on that day, so for him to just keep
1:54:49 > 1:54:52going and get on with it and keep working through everything that
1:54:52 > 1:54:53happened was phenomenal.
1:54:53 > 1:54:55And he actually saved lives on that day?
1:54:55 > 1:54:56Absolutely, yeah.
1:54:56 > 1:54:59Absolutely saved lives.
1:54:59 > 1:55:06What is he up to now?He is at the animal defence training regiment and
1:55:06 > 1:55:11he helps me train new handlers how to handle dogs.Today you have the
1:55:11 > 1:55:16medal with you, that is the actual medal?Yes.It is the equivalent of
1:55:16 > 1:55:23the Victoria Cross?Yes. It is the actual medal.There we go. This will
1:55:23 > 1:55:30be presented to Mali today. What will happen?We will go on stage, we
1:55:30 > 1:55:37are going to meet princess Alexandria, the patron of the PDSA
1:55:37 > 1:55:42and she will bestow the honour.And joins good company. Are you nervous
1:55:42 > 1:55:46about today?Yes it is always nervous. It is like anything. He is
1:55:46 > 1:55:52an animal, he will do what he wants on the day. So I'm a bit nervous.
1:55:52 > 1:55:56But he's fantastic dog and I'm sure he will behave himself. It is quite
1:55:56 > 1:56:01new for both of us.Quite overwhelming.Yes.Mali is eight?
1:56:01 > 1:56:08Yes.How many more years does he have of work?Each dog is individual
1:56:08 > 1:56:14and it is based on their character and what our vets believe, but he is
1:56:14 > 1:56:17so fit and strong that he probably has a good couple of years left in
1:56:17 > 1:56:26him. He does low level work and gets a lot of time off.How has that
1:56:26 > 1:56:33training changed? Dogs have been used in combat before. Has that
1:56:33 > 1:56:38advanced the type of role they play? Absolutely. I think we have now got
1:56:38 > 1:56:45a better upsing, the sciences behind -- understanding the science behind
1:56:45 > 1:56:53training dog, how scents work and the dog oes brain works, training is
1:56:53 > 1:56:58more technical and well planned and growing with the times.What does he
1:56:58 > 1:57:04get for treats if he is able to do incredible things and he is being
1:57:04 > 1:57:08rewarded for the ultimate act of bravery, what does he get?For him
1:57:08 > 1:57:15he likes a bit of cheese or sausage and his toy. That is all he wants.
1:57:15 > 1:57:19Thank you and congratulation and have fun today. He sits down right
1:57:19 > 1:57:25at the end of the interview! Thanks Mali. It was great to have him on
1:57:25 > 1:57:30the programme. I think he should be receiving his medal around now. As
1:57:30 > 1:57:35we have been reporting, Robert Mugabe has made his first public
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1:58:25 > 1:58:29Thank you for your company today, have a great day.
1:58:33 > 1:58:36He's going home this weekend to tell his parents about us.