20/11/2017

0:00:07 > 0:00:10Hello, it's Monday, it's 9am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

0:00:10 > 0:00:12welcome to the programme.

0:00:12 > 0:00:18Our top story today, Robert Mugabe has an hour to resign

0:00:18 > 0:00:21as President of Zimbabwe or face impeachment - he certainly showed no

0:00:21 > 0:00:25signs of resigning last night.

0:00:25 > 0:00:33The operation I have alluded to did not amount to a threat to our well

0:00:33 > 0:00:39cherished constitutional order, nor was it a challenge to my authority

0:00:39 > 0:00:41as head of state and government.

0:00:41 > 0:00:44We'll get reaction from some of those who've been tortured

0:00:44 > 0:00:45by the Mugabe regime.

0:00:45 > 0:00:47Also on the programme - punishment attacks featuring

0:00:47 > 0:00:53kneecapping or assaults using anything from sledgehammers

0:00:53 > 0:01:00to electric drills are taking place in this country right now.

0:01:00 > 0:01:06I walked to the place that they told me to go and they were standing

0:01:06 > 0:01:09there. They showed me the gun and told me to lie down on the floor.

0:01:09 > 0:01:15That was it.

0:01:15 > 0:01:17We'll find out why so-called punishment attacks by paramilitaries

0:01:17 > 0:01:19are on the rise in Northern Ireland.

0:01:19 > 0:01:24And it's 70 years since the Queen and Prince Phillip got married.

0:01:24 > 0:01:26It is their platinum anniversary today.

0:01:26 > 0:01:28We'll look back at a relationship which has been

0:01:28 > 0:01:38a constant in British life.

0:01:38 > 0:01:47Hello and welcome to the programme, we're live until 11am.

0:01:47 > 0:01:48Throughout the programme, the latest breaking news

0:01:48 > 0:01:50and developing stories - and as always really

0:01:50 > 0:01:54keen to hear from you - do get in touch on all the stories

0:01:54 > 0:01:56we're talking about this morning.

0:01:56 > 0:01:58Our top story today, Zimbabwe's president Robert Mugabe

0:01:58 > 0:02:01has less than an hour to resign, before a 10 o'clock deadline

0:02:01 > 0:02:02set by his own party.

0:02:02 > 0:02:05He was removed as leader yesterday, but in a rambling television address

0:02:05 > 0:02:08in which he was expected to resign as president, he refused and instead

0:02:08 > 0:02:11insisted he would lead the party's congress next month.

0:02:11 > 0:02:12Former allies have condemned his decision and over

0:02:12 > 0:02:22the weekend huge street rallies demanded his resignation.

0:02:22 > 0:02:29If he doesn't step down, his party, Zanu-PF, says he will be impeached.

0:02:29 > 0:02:31The influential head of the war veterans organisation said

0:02:31 > 0:02:34they would initiate legal action in the High Court to

0:02:34 > 0:02:35remove President Mubabe.

0:02:35 > 0:02:37They also repeated their calls for him to be impeached

0:02:37 > 0:02:46and for further protests, including a sit-in to force him to resign.

0:02:46 > 0:02:49He went on national television to pretend as if everything

0:02:49 > 0:02:51is normal and he said he would be attending his party congress.

0:02:51 > 0:02:53We are saying, Mugabe, go now.

0:02:53 > 0:02:54Mugabe, go now.

0:02:54 > 0:02:55Your time is up.

0:02:55 > 0:03:05Please leave State House and let the country start on a new page.

0:03:07 > 0:03:10You should have the dignity and decency to spare the country

0:03:10 > 0:03:11further turmoil by simply announcing your

0:03:11 > 0:03:16departure immediately.

0:03:16 > 0:03:20If he can't, and this is the call we are doing and repeating again

0:03:20 > 0:03:23from when we came here on Thursday last week, we are bringing back the

0:03:23 > 0:03:25people of Zimbabwe to the streets.

0:03:25 > 0:03:30You will then have to settle these issues with the people of Zimbabwe.

0:03:30 > 0:03:36Ben Brown is in the Zimbabwean capital Harare.

0:03:36 > 0:03:38Are you getting any sense of what might happen in an hour, if

0:03:38 > 0:03:47anything?I am not getting a sense that he is going to resign. Until we

0:03:47 > 0:03:51hear it from his mouth, no one will believe he is going to resign.

0:03:51 > 0:03:56Everyone was expecting him to resign last night after his own party,

0:03:56 > 0:03:59Zanu-PF, had sacked him as their leader, after the military had had

0:03:59 > 0:04:03their takeover here, and after seeing thousands of people on the

0:04:03 > 0:04:08streets here in Harare on Saturday. So much pressure from the people,

0:04:08 > 0:04:12from the Army, from his own party to resign. Everyone thought he would

0:04:12 > 0:04:16last night, and then he didn't. He is nothing if not stubborn. He is

0:04:16 > 0:04:20the world's oldest head of state, 93 years of age, and still technically

0:04:20 > 0:04:25president of this country although extraordinarily, he is still under

0:04:25 > 0:04:30house arrest. So the impeachment process will begin if he continues

0:04:30 > 0:04:35to refuse to resign. In the parliament behind me in Harare, it

0:04:35 > 0:04:39would need both chambers of parliament to agree with a two

0:04:39 > 0:04:42thirds majority to impeach him. I was talking to one MP this morning

0:04:42 > 0:04:46who said that that could take weeks or even months, and that means Mr

0:04:46 > 0:04:53Mugabe could still be president in 2018.And in the meantime, the

0:04:53 > 0:04:58citizens of Zimbabwe today where industry is over the weekend -- they

0:04:58 > 0:05:04were on the streets. What are they doing today?It is fair to say they

0:05:04 > 0:05:08are disappointed. They watched that TV address in their millions. They

0:05:08 > 0:05:12were expecting him to resign. Almost everybody you talk to want him to

0:05:12 > 0:05:17go. It is almost impossible to find anyone who wants him to stay. So

0:05:17 > 0:05:21they are disappointed and angry. Let me show you just one newspaper front

0:05:21 > 0:05:31page from this morning. " Arrogant Mugabe disregards Zanu-PF". That is

0:05:31 > 0:05:35just a flavour of how people are thinking. There has been a call for

0:05:35 > 0:05:39another big demonstration on the streets tomorrow. Maybe we will see

0:05:39 > 0:05:43thousands more people calling for Mr Mugabe to resign, but frankly, he

0:05:43 > 0:05:45doesn't listen to the people and I don't think you will make any

0:05:45 > 0:05:54difference.Thank you, Ben. Obviously, as things continue to

0:05:54 > 0:05:58change in Harare, we will be their live for much of the morning,

0:05:58 > 0:06:01talking to residents of Zimbabwe and we will of course be there at ten

0:06:01 > 0:06:07o'clock when that deadline passes. Let me bring you this news. Jana

0:06:07 > 0:06:17Novotna has died. She was Wimbledon champion in 1998. She was just 49.

0:06:17 > 0:06:21Here is the statement. After a long battle with cancer, Jana Novotna

0:06:21 > 0:06:25died peacefully, surrounded by friends and family in her native

0:06:25 > 0:06:35Czech Republic. She has died aged 49. She had cancer. More on that to

0:06:35 > 0:06:37come in the sport in a few moments.

0:06:37 > 0:06:44Now a summary of the rest of the day's news.

0:06:44 > 0:06:46Germany is on the cusp of a political crisis

0:06:46 > 0:06:48following the collapse of talks over the formation of a

0:06:48 > 0:06:50coalition government.

0:06:50 > 0:06:57Eight weeks of negotiations following September's general

0:06:57 > 0:06:59election have collapsed, with the centrist Free

0:06:59 > 0:07:00Democrats pulling out.

0:07:00 > 0:07:02Angela Merkel will meet the German President

0:07:02 > 0:07:04who could call a new election.

0:07:04 > 0:07:07Police say there were no injuries to suggest "any other person

0:07:07 > 0:07:10was involved" in the death of the missing teenager Gaia Pope.

0:07:10 > 0:07:12The 19-year-old's body was found on Saturday in a field near Swanage,

0:07:12 > 0:07:1411 days after she was last seen.

0:07:14 > 0:07:16Dorset Police are treating her death as "unexplained" pending

0:07:16 > 0:07:24toxicology results.

0:07:24 > 0:07:28Women are being advised to sleep on their side in the last three

0:07:28 > 0:07:32months of pregnancy to avoid having a stillborn baby.

0:07:32 > 0:07:38A study of just over 1,000 women found the risk doubles if women go

0:07:38 > 0:07:40to sleep on their backs, but researchers say

0:07:40 > 0:07:42women should not worry if they are on their back

0:07:42 > 0:07:46when they wake up.

0:07:46 > 0:07:48The study authors estimate that about 130 babies' lives a year

0:07:48 > 0:07:50could be saved if this advice was followed.

0:07:50 > 0:07:59MPs are calling for a crackdown on the so-called "gig economy".

0:07:59 > 0:08:02Delivery riders and minicab drivers for firms like Deliveroo and Uber

0:08:02 > 0:08:04are being exploited by loopholes in employment law, according

0:08:04 > 0:08:08to two committees of MPs.

0:08:08 > 0:08:11They say they face an "unacceptable burden" of having to prove

0:08:11 > 0:08:18they are "workers", rather than self-employed.

0:08:18 > 0:08:20The Government says it's already considering the findings of a review

0:08:20 > 0:08:23of working practices.

0:08:23 > 0:08:25The convicted cult leader Charles Manson -

0:08:25 > 0:08:30who orchestrated a series of notorious murders in the 1960s -

0:08:30 > 0:08:34has died in prison in California at the age of 83.

0:08:34 > 0:08:37In 1969, members of his group killed seven people including

0:08:37 > 0:08:39the actress Sharon Tate, wife of the film director,

0:08:39 > 0:08:40Roman Polanski.

0:08:40 > 0:08:42Manson himself was initially sentenced to death, before

0:08:42 > 0:08:47the penalty was abolished in California.

0:08:47 > 0:08:49Church leaders across Northern Ireland have released

0:08:49 > 0:08:54a statement condemning so-called "punishment" attacks

0:08:54 > 0:08:58by paramilitaries.

0:08:58 > 0:09:00They can take the form of kneecappings, where victims

0:09:00 > 0:09:02are shot in the legs, or serious beatings

0:09:02 > 0:09:03with weapons like iron bars.

0:09:03 > 0:09:05They've been declining in recent years, but saw

0:09:05 > 0:09:13an increase of 30% last year.

0:09:13 > 0:09:17You can watch our report including exclusive interviews with two

0:09:17 > 0:09:19teenagers who were shot in the knees by paramilitaries, coming

0:09:19 > 0:09:20up in a few minutes.

0:09:20 > 0:09:22The Queen and Duke of Edinburgh are today

0:09:22 > 0:09:25marking their 70th wedding anniversary - the longest

0:09:25 > 0:09:26in the royal family's history.

0:09:26 > 0:09:28They will celebrate the occasion privately with family

0:09:28 > 0:09:29and friends at Windsor Castle.

0:09:29 > 0:09:38Our royal correspondent Sarah Campbell reports.

0:09:38 > 0:09:43In the gloom of post-war Britain, their marriage was, in the words

0:09:43 > 0:09:47of Winston Churchill, a flash of colour.

0:09:47 > 0:09:50He was the dashing naval officer, she the future Queen.

0:09:50 > 0:09:53In the 70 years since, theirs has proved to be

0:09:53 > 0:09:57a relationship which has truly stood the test of time.

0:09:57 > 0:09:59It's worked because their personalities and their characters

0:09:59 > 0:10:04complement one another.

0:10:04 > 0:10:13They're quite different, in many ways, but Prince Philip

0:10:13 > 0:10:15is the first to make the Queen laugh uproariously, and is probably

0:10:15 > 0:10:18the only person who can also tell her to shut up.

0:10:18 > 0:10:20Pictured in 1939, 18-year-old Philip first caught Princess Elizabeth's

0:10:20 > 0:10:23eye on a visit to Dartmouth Naval College.

0:10:23 > 0:10:26It was the beginning of a friendship which grew

0:10:26 > 0:10:27into a lifelong partnership.

0:10:27 > 0:10:35The Queen has referred to him as her strength and stay.

0:10:35 > 0:10:37The Duke remarked that tolerance is essential

0:10:37 > 0:10:39to any happy marriage, and the Queen, he added,

0:10:39 > 0:10:41has that quality in abundance.

0:10:41 > 0:10:4370 years after the royal couple exchanged their vows here,

0:10:43 > 0:10:46the bells of Westminster Abbey will peal for more than three

0:10:46 > 0:10:49hours in their honour.

0:10:49 > 0:10:52These images have been released by the Palace to mark the couple's

0:10:52 > 0:10:59milestone anniversary.

0:10:59 > 0:11:01The Queen and Prince Philip will celebrate at a private party

0:11:01 > 0:11:03at Windsor Castle this evening.

0:11:03 > 0:11:13That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30.

0:11:14 > 0:11:18There are a couple of lines coming out of Zimbabwe, according to the

0:11:18 > 0:11:22Reuters news agency. They don't necessarily make the situation

0:11:22 > 0:11:26clearer. According to senior political sources, Robert Mugabe's

0:11:26 > 0:11:30speech last night was intended to make clear that the military

0:11:30 > 0:11:40intervention last week was not a clue. -- it was not a coup. Mr

0:11:40 > 0:11:44Mugabe was supposed to say that in his speech. The second line is that

0:11:44 > 0:11:51Robert Mugabe had agreed to resign, but Zanu-PF, his party, did not want

0:11:51 > 0:11:56him to step down in front of the generals. That is according to

0:11:56 > 0:12:00senior political sources talking to the Reuters news agency. As I said,

0:12:00 > 0:12:04that does not necessarily make the situation clearer. Does that suggest

0:12:04 > 0:12:08that at ten o'clock, when this imposed deadline reaches us, he will

0:12:08 > 0:12:13step down if the generals are not the picture? Stay tuned, and we will

0:12:13 > 0:12:21try to bring the latest. Let me bring you these comments about

0:12:21 > 0:12:26punishment attacks, which are on the rise in Northern Ireland and a lot

0:12:26 > 0:12:33of the victims are under 25, some including children. And we are

0:12:33 > 0:12:37talking predominantly about boys being shot in the back of the knee

0:12:37 > 0:12:44as punishment for petty crime, for stealing a car, for drug dealing.

0:12:44 > 0:12:47Inclusive 2017 says young teenage boys are being maimed. Politicians

0:12:47 > 0:12:51fail to act. In Northern Ireland, we need a strategy to end violence

0:12:51 > 0:12:57against men and boys. We are beaten, shot and assaulted daily. Another

0:12:57 > 0:13:00says, these brutal attacks on young people need to stop. The

0:13:00 > 0:13:06victimisation needs to stop. These young people need a chance in life.

0:13:06 > 0:13:10This is abuse and it is child abuse. Our film on that is coming up. If

0:13:10 > 0:13:13you are getting in touch, you are very welcome.

0:13:13 > 0:13:15Let's get some sport with Jessica.

0:13:15 > 0:13:20Sad news from the world of tennis this morning?

0:13:20 > 0:13:26Yes, we have had it confirmed in the last half-hour that the former

0:13:26 > 0:13:32Wimbledon champion Jana Novotna has died aged 49. We have a statement

0:13:32 > 0:13:38from the women's tennis Association, the WTA. They say "It is with deep

0:13:38 > 0:13:43sadness that we announce the passing on Sunday of Yana Novotna, the

0:13:43 > 0:13:48former WTA world number one and number two singles champion. After a

0:13:48 > 0:13:53long battle with cancer, Jana died peacefully, surrounded by her family

0:13:53 > 0:14:02in her native Czech Republic. The CEO of the WTA, Steve Simon, said

0:14:02 > 0:14:07Jana was an inspiration both on and off court to anyone who had the

0:14:07 > 0:14:10opportunity to know her. Her star will always shine brightly in the

0:14:10 > 0:14:17history of the WTA. It goes on to say "Our condolences and our

0:14:17 > 0:14:20thoughts are with Jana's family"

0:14:20 > 0:14:22say "Our condolences and our thoughts are with Jana's family".It

0:14:22 > 0:14:25was 1998 when she won Wimbledon and lots of people will remember her

0:14:25 > 0:14:31reaction afterwards.Yes. She will be well known to British tennis

0:14:31 > 0:14:35fans. She captured the hearts of many when she burst into tears after

0:14:35 > 0:14:43losing to the German great Steffi Graf in 1993, she was consoled by

0:14:43 > 0:14:46the Duchess of Kent. She was renowned for her serve in the volley

0:14:46 > 0:14:51game and achieve a career-high singles ranking of number two. She

0:14:51 > 0:14:58was twice a beaten finalist, in 1993 and 1997. But a year later, it was

0:14:58 > 0:15:04third time lucky for Novotna. Of her career, she won 24 singles titles in

0:15:04 > 0:15:0914 years on the professional circuit, along with 76 doubles

0:15:09 > 0:15:16titles. And she was inducted into the tennis hall of fame in 2005. But

0:15:16 > 0:15:24it is sad news from the world of tennis that Jana Novotna has died

0:15:24 > 0:15:28after a battle with cancer, aged 49.

0:15:30 > 0:15:34They're a legacy of decades in conflict in Northern Ireland -

0:15:34 > 0:15:39so-called "punishment" attacks by paramilitaries, usually

0:15:39 > 0:15:41kneecappings or serious beatings using anything from an iron bar

0:15:41 > 0:15:43to an electric drill.

0:15:43 > 0:15:46Those responsible claim it's a way of clamping down on crime

0:15:46 > 0:15:50and anti-social behaviour in their community.

0:15:50 > 0:15:53If you deal drugs, for instance, you face being kneecapped.

0:15:53 > 0:15:56And now, after a period of decline, these attacks are on the rise,

0:15:56 > 0:15:58with a 30% increase over the last year.

0:15:58 > 0:16:05Almost half of those targeted are 25 or under.

0:16:05 > 0:16:07Today, church leaders across Northern Ireland have

0:16:07 > 0:16:09for the first time released a statement

0:16:09 > 0:16:11condemning the threat against young people,

0:16:11 > 0:16:14timed to coincide with the United Nations Universal Children's Day.

0:16:14 > 0:16:21This programme has spoken exclusively to two teenagers

0:16:21 > 0:16:24about their experience of being shot by paramilitaries and to the PSNI

0:16:24 > 0:16:27officers leading the fight against the attacks.

0:16:27 > 0:16:29Some of the details in Greg Dawson's report are graphic

0:16:29 > 0:16:32from the very beginning and you may not want

0:16:32 > 0:16:35young children to hear.

0:16:35 > 0:16:38Police have just released details of what they believe

0:16:38 > 0:16:40was a paramilitary-style attack on a teenager in Londonderry just

0:16:40 > 0:16:42after midnight yesterday morning...

0:16:42 > 0:16:45...After being shot in the legs at their home in west Belfast.

0:16:45 > 0:16:51It happened just after six o'clock...

0:16:51 > 0:16:53...The vicim's injuries aren't believed to be life-threatening.

0:16:53 > 0:16:56I walked to the place, and they told me to go,

0:16:56 > 0:16:57and they were standing there.

0:16:57 > 0:17:00They showed me the gun and told me to lie down on the floor.

0:17:00 > 0:17:03That was it.

0:17:03 > 0:17:06The first time they shot me, I only moved a bit, but see

0:17:06 > 0:17:08the second time they shot me, I was screaming.

0:17:08 > 0:17:10It went right through and hit my main artery,

0:17:10 > 0:17:14busted my whole kneebone.

0:17:14 > 0:17:17A 17-year-old boy has been shot in the leg after two masked men...

0:17:17 > 0:17:20It's an enormous human rights abuse, whatever the age of the person,

0:17:20 > 0:17:23but it's happening a lot against young people and children.

0:17:23 > 0:17:25If you speak to young people in the communities,

0:17:25 > 0:17:27I think they'll tell you there is a climate

0:17:27 > 0:17:28of fear for them.

0:17:28 > 0:17:31We have a choice here, this doesn't need to be

0:17:31 > 0:17:36the future of our children.

0:17:49 > 0:17:53Belfast is a city that prides itself on its progress.

0:17:53 > 0:17:56From the darkest depths of the Troubles, it has emerged

0:17:56 > 0:18:04as one of the UK's most popular tourist destinations.

0:18:04 > 0:18:07But in small pockets of this city, there are many communities

0:18:07 > 0:18:08still living with the legacy of Northern Ireland's

0:18:08 > 0:18:10division and violence.

0:18:10 > 0:18:13Many of the recent victims of paramilitary threats and attacks

0:18:13 > 0:18:16will have little memory of the Good Friday Agreement.

0:18:16 > 0:18:23Some were born long after it.

0:18:24 > 0:18:28We've come out with the Police Service of Northern Ireland's

0:18:28 > 0:18:33new task force, set up specifically to tackle paramilitaries,

0:18:33 > 0:18:35the armed groups active in both Protestant loyalist areas

0:18:35 > 0:18:38and Catholic republican communities.

0:18:38 > 0:18:40We're leaving the Lower Shankill and we're going to go

0:18:40 > 0:18:44in from a loyalist...

0:18:44 > 0:18:47...the nationalist Catholic area.

0:18:47 > 0:18:50But certain paramilitary groups still see it as their role to police

0:18:50 > 0:18:52these communities and crack down on what they judge to be

0:18:52 > 0:18:56anti-social behaviour.

0:18:56 > 0:18:59Even in 2017, the self appointed men in charge assert control

0:18:59 > 0:19:01with baseball bats and bullets.

0:19:01 > 0:19:06We've spoken to two young victims of paramilitary-style attacks.

0:19:06 > 0:19:10James and Thomas, not their real names, were shot in the legs.

0:19:10 > 0:19:18For their safety, we've hidden their faces and voiced their words.

0:19:18 > 0:19:20They got in contact with someone in the family.

0:19:20 > 0:19:22They told me I had to go and meet them.

0:19:22 > 0:19:24I changed my trousers, went out of my house

0:19:24 > 0:19:27and went to the pub.

0:19:27 > 0:19:31I had two pints and I got a text message that I had to go,

0:19:31 > 0:19:33so I walked over on my own, and that was it.

0:19:33 > 0:19:36I walked to the place and they told me to go,

0:19:36 > 0:19:37and they were standing there.

0:19:37 > 0:19:41They showed me the gun and told me to lie down on the floor.

0:19:41 > 0:19:44That was it.

0:19:44 > 0:19:48How did you feel when you were making that walk over from the pub?

0:19:48 > 0:19:50I was scared, of course I was scared.

0:19:50 > 0:19:53I was fearing for my life, in case they did something else.

0:19:53 > 0:19:56Someone who was really, really close to me was first

0:19:56 > 0:19:58out because they knew I was getting shot.

0:19:58 > 0:20:02They brought out a pillow, and then the ambulance came.

0:20:02 > 0:20:05The first time they shot me, I only moved a bit.

0:20:05 > 0:20:11But, see, the second time they shot me, I was screaming.

0:20:11 > 0:20:14It went right through and hit my main artery.

0:20:14 > 0:20:16Busted my whole kneebone, know what I mean?

0:20:16 > 0:20:20I couldn't even move my leg.

0:20:20 > 0:20:23There ended up being loads of people around me and I asked

0:20:23 > 0:20:25someone for a fag, and then I just went blank.

0:20:25 > 0:20:33And all I remember was just waking up in the ambulance.

0:20:33 > 0:20:35These paramilitary-style attacks may have been happening in certain

0:20:35 > 0:20:38communities in Northern Ireland for decades, but after a fall

0:20:38 > 0:20:44in recent years, the numbers are creeping back up.

0:20:44 > 0:20:47In 2016-2017, there were 94 reported casualties of shootings

0:20:47 > 0:20:51and assaults, that's up 30% on the previous year.

0:20:51 > 0:20:55Attacks are currently at their highest level since 2010,

0:20:55 > 0:21:02and, since 2009, 47% of attacks targeted people aged 25 and under.

0:21:02 > 0:21:07The actions of these paramilitary groups range from everything

0:21:07 > 0:21:10from threats to individuals, either in person or by proxy,

0:21:10 > 0:21:15up to beatings, and right up to the end of the scale which can

0:21:15 > 0:21:17include serious assault, shootings, and, on occasion, has resulted

0:21:17 > 0:21:19in the murder of individuals.

0:21:19 > 0:21:20This 15-year-old from Londonderry is a recent victim.

0:21:20 > 0:21:24In June, he was beaten with iron bars, including this one that

0:21:24 > 0:21:29officers in Derry recovered.

0:21:29 > 0:21:32Paul Smith is a youth worker and has devoted years to campaigning

0:21:32 > 0:21:36and speaking out against attacks.

0:21:36 > 0:21:39There isn't any due process involved, nobody appears in front

0:21:39 > 0:21:42of a court and can defend themselves, and a lot of the victims

0:21:42 > 0:21:46end up being traumatised for the rest of their lives.

0:21:46 > 0:21:50One of the hallmarks of these attacks is that

0:21:50 > 0:21:53many of the victims know it is coming.

0:21:53 > 0:21:56They're often given notice to attend an appointment.

0:21:56 > 0:21:59Last month, this flyer was posted through doors in West Belfast.

0:21:59 > 0:22:03It lists the names of 14 men accused of selling drugs and orders them

0:22:03 > 0:22:06to come forward to the Republican movement, adding that failure to do

0:22:06 > 0:22:11so could result in execution.

0:22:11 > 0:22:14In some cases, parents of victims are faced with a dreadful dilemma -

0:22:14 > 0:22:17protect their child, or hand them over to paramilitary

0:22:17 > 0:22:22groups for appointments.

0:22:22 > 0:22:25See, I used to be a happy child, always up and bouncing.

0:22:25 > 0:22:28Then I did one or two bad things, and they were just picking

0:22:28 > 0:22:29on me and picking on me.

0:22:29 > 0:22:32I was trying to change my life around and they were

0:22:32 > 0:22:33still picking on me.

0:22:33 > 0:22:36They put me out of the country, and then my mummy visited me

0:22:36 > 0:22:39and said, "Listen, I've been talking to someone to try and sort it out.

0:22:39 > 0:22:41To get someone to give you an easy shooting."

0:22:41 > 0:22:44I put my shoes on straight away and I said, "Yes,

0:22:44 > 0:22:46let's get it over and done with."

0:22:46 > 0:22:48So I put my shoes on and straight to Belfast, right?

0:22:48 > 0:22:50Just talk me through the day that it happened.

0:22:50 > 0:22:54I was told to walk up the street, and I looked behind me

0:22:54 > 0:22:58and two men were there.

0:22:58 > 0:23:01I turned round and I said to them, "There are ten times as many people

0:23:01 > 0:23:04out there doing worse than me," and he just said, "Listen, kid,

0:23:04 > 0:23:05I'll look after you."

0:23:05 > 0:23:10How is that looking after you?

0:23:10 > 0:23:13I think people are appalled when they hear about parents bringing

0:23:13 > 0:23:15their kids for appointments.

0:23:15 > 0:23:18But I feel deeply sorry for those people, I think that they have

0:23:18 > 0:23:21reached a point where they feel they really have no option.

0:23:21 > 0:23:24And, in one incident recently, a couple who tried to intervene

0:23:24 > 0:23:31to protect their child was shot themselves.

0:23:31 > 0:23:33Injuries sustained in an attack may not be life-threatening,

0:23:33 > 0:23:35but more often than not they are life-changing.

0:23:35 > 0:23:39We've spoken to a surgeon in the city who told us often

0:23:39 > 0:23:41the beatings are more brutal than the shootings,

0:23:41 > 0:23:43with paramilitaries using everything from iron bars to sledgehammers,

0:23:43 > 0:23:48and even electric drills.

0:23:48 > 0:23:49You were shot in the legs.

0:23:49 > 0:23:54Just give us an idea of how that actually felt?

0:23:54 > 0:23:57It's a burning sensation for, like, two minutes straight,

0:23:57 > 0:23:58then it stopped for 30 seconds.

0:23:58 > 0:24:00Then it started again.

0:24:00 > 0:24:05It was burning and burning, you know what I mean?

0:24:05 > 0:24:08See, when I'm playing Xbox, my whole leg locks up.

0:24:08 > 0:24:09I get pains every single day.

0:24:09 > 0:24:11It's like shooting pains.

0:24:11 > 0:24:16But it's not just the physical scars that do the damage.

0:24:16 > 0:24:19Campaigners say often attacks can lead to devastating mental

0:24:19 > 0:24:22health consequences.

0:24:22 > 0:24:25I know of several examples where young people have been shot

0:24:25 > 0:24:27or beaten by paramilitary organisations, and within

0:24:27 > 0:24:29a matter of weeks they've taken their own lives.

0:24:29 > 0:24:31So it's an awful, it's a double tragedy for families,

0:24:31 > 0:24:34and it's a terrible toll that our society's taking

0:24:34 > 0:24:41for this ongoing problem.

0:24:41 > 0:24:44I had depression already, but now it's far, far worse.

0:24:44 > 0:24:46I've been going to the doctors, seeing psychiatrists.

0:24:46 > 0:24:50Before this I was just like a stupid kid, know what I mean?

0:24:50 > 0:24:53Other people were doing far worse, stealing cars,

0:24:53 > 0:24:54burning this and that.

0:24:54 > 0:24:57I didn't do anything that bad.

0:24:57 > 0:24:59I've had very bad depression, everything you can think

0:24:59 > 0:25:01of, know what I mean?

0:25:01 > 0:25:02I couldn't leave the house.

0:25:02 > 0:25:04I was sitting in the house every single day.

0:25:04 > 0:25:07I'm not scared of violence, I'm just scared because of what's

0:25:07 > 0:25:09going through my head because of the depression.

0:25:09 > 0:25:12I've actually lost count of how many times I've tried to kill myself.

0:25:12 > 0:25:14I've sliced my arms.

0:25:14 > 0:25:17Sometimes it's been a cry for help, but a few times I really,

0:25:17 > 0:25:20really did want to kill myself.

0:25:20 > 0:25:28The last time, I was in my bathroom, and I waited until everyone

0:25:28 > 0:25:31was asleep, and I tried to hang myself, but my mummy must have been

0:25:31 > 0:25:33listening, know what I mean?

0:25:33 > 0:25:34She busted the door and I just dropped.

0:25:34 > 0:25:38My eyes were in the back of my head, and I looked dead and all.

0:25:38 > 0:25:40I heard my mummy was shouting, "He's dead, he's dead!"

0:25:40 > 0:25:43Then I just woke up and came to and was like, "What's

0:25:43 > 0:25:44wrong, what's wrong?"

0:25:44 > 0:25:47The police may be determined to prevent these attacks

0:25:47 > 0:25:52and punish those responsible, but they face enormous obstacles.

0:25:52 > 0:25:55Victims who are too scared or simply just refuse to name the culprits

0:25:55 > 0:25:57because of a stigma of so-called touting, the nickname

0:25:57 > 0:26:00for talking to officers.

0:26:00 > 0:26:02It all means only around 4% of attacks result

0:26:02 > 0:26:05in charges being brought.

0:26:05 > 0:26:07For people who would be surprised by that figure,

0:26:07 > 0:26:11can you explain why it is so low?

0:26:11 > 0:26:13Well, it's down to a number of factors, one of the biggest

0:26:13 > 0:26:16issues is the noncooperation of the victims, and I think that's

0:26:16 > 0:26:18understandable in circumstances where people have already been

0:26:18 > 0:26:20beaten or shot.

0:26:20 > 0:26:22The fear of engagement with the police and what that might

0:26:22 > 0:26:26lead to in terms of the party that were responsible for the initial

0:26:26 > 0:26:28attack clearly is something that would inhibit their wanting to get

0:26:28 > 0:26:30involved with the police.

0:26:30 > 0:26:36At the same time, these groups are sophisticated in terms of how

0:26:36 > 0:26:38they go about carrying out these attacks, they're very careful

0:26:38 > 0:26:41to make sure they're done in areas where they won't have witnesses,

0:26:41 > 0:26:44where there won't be the likes of CCTV, and many of the groups are,

0:26:44 > 0:26:46as well, forensically aware.

0:26:46 > 0:26:48When the police came to you, they must have asked

0:26:48 > 0:26:50you, "Do you know who did this?"

0:26:50 > 0:26:51What did you tell the police?

0:26:51 > 0:26:53Of course I can't say, because that's touting.

0:26:53 > 0:26:55You'd be scared to tell the police?

0:26:55 > 0:26:56Not scared, I just wouldn't.

0:26:56 > 0:26:58Round those areas, it counts as touting,

0:26:58 > 0:26:59and you don't want to be a tout.

0:26:59 > 0:27:02The paramilitaries come back and shoot you for that, too.

0:27:02 > 0:27:06Worse, they'd shoot you dead.

0:27:06 > 0:27:08But there's another obstacle.

0:27:08 > 0:27:11It's been labelled the societal shrug, where many in these

0:27:11 > 0:27:13communities see a paramilitary-style attack as an imperfect but necessary

0:27:13 > 0:27:16solution to crack down on crime and anti-social behaviour

0:27:16 > 0:27:19in their neighbourhood.

0:27:19 > 0:27:21What would you say to people who would say, well,

0:27:21 > 0:27:24you were hurt in a punishment attack, you must have done something

0:27:24 > 0:27:30wrong to deserve this?

0:27:30 > 0:27:32Aye, I did do wrong, yeah, but I was punished for that

0:27:32 > 0:27:34through a court of law.

0:27:34 > 0:27:36I didn't need to be punished by gangsters in the street.

0:27:36 > 0:27:38I was punished for what I did.

0:27:38 > 0:27:40There was no need for them to shoot me.

0:27:40 > 0:27:43A court of law is for punishment.

0:27:43 > 0:27:46It shouldn't be overlooked that the numbers of these attacks

0:27:46 > 0:27:48has drastically reduced since the height of the Troubles

0:27:48 > 0:27:50here, but campaigners believe more could be done

0:27:50 > 0:27:53to eradicate them altogether.

0:27:53 > 0:27:56Finding a political solution has become even more of a challenge

0:27:56 > 0:27:58since the power-sharing agreement between the DUP and Sinn Fein

0:27:58 > 0:28:00collapsed in January, leading to deadlock here

0:28:00 > 0:28:06at the Stormont Assembly.

0:28:06 > 0:28:09Beyond doubt there is an attempt by some of these paramilitary groups

0:28:09 > 0:28:11to continue to exert their influence within communities.

0:28:11 > 0:28:14I think this is one area where they see a degree of populism,

0:28:14 > 0:28:17and they think it's a way in which they can re-establish

0:28:17 > 0:28:19or promote their legitimacy within communities, and obviously

0:28:19 > 0:28:22from my perspective I am absolutely committed to denying them any

0:28:22 > 0:28:27potential oxygen in that respect.

0:28:27 > 0:28:29I can remember every bit of what happened,

0:28:29 > 0:28:31it repeats in my mind all the time.

0:28:31 > 0:28:35My mental health issues, it's made them worse.

0:28:35 > 0:28:38I'm still young, I should be enjoying myself in bars,

0:28:38 > 0:28:40and now I'm scared to go out.

0:28:40 > 0:28:42I won't leave the house unless I have family

0:28:42 > 0:28:43or friends with me.

0:28:43 > 0:28:46This has changed my life.

0:28:51 > 0:28:53Greg Dawson reporting.

0:28:53 > 0:28:56After 10am, we'll hear from someone who mediates between paramilitary

0:28:56 > 0:28:58groups who carry out these so called punishment beatings

0:28:58 > 0:28:59and the community.

0:28:59 > 0:29:03Thank you for your comments.le Jamie says, "This has been a curse of

0:29:03 > 0:29:08Belfast life. I used to not being able to walk down the street without

0:29:08 > 0:29:14seeing an otherwise fit young man on crutches." Patricia says, "These

0:29:14 > 0:29:19young people are drug dealers or joyriders who don't care what they

0:29:19 > 0:29:25do do others. They know if they are found out, what are the

0:29:25 > 0:29:31consequences." Another viewer says, "If the PSNI don't do their job,

0:29:31 > 0:29:34these people will take it upon themselves to issue punishments.

0:29:34 > 0:29:39Sometimes you think to yourself well if they didn't deal the drugs or rob

0:29:39 > 0:29:45grannies then they wouldn't have had their knees blown off."

0:29:45 > 0:29:48Still to come, Robert Mugabe's party has given him half an hour

0:29:48 > 0:29:49to stand down as president.

0:29:49 > 0:29:51What happens if he doesn't?

0:29:51 > 0:29:52We'll bring you the latest analysis.

0:29:52 > 0:29:56We will speak to those who suffered at the hands of President Mugabe's

0:29:56 > 0:29:58regime.

0:29:58 > 0:30:0170 years ago to the day, the Queen and Prince Phillip got married.

0:30:01 > 0:30:03We'll take a look back at their lives together

0:30:03 > 0:30:05and speak to another couple, also celebrating their platinum

0:30:05 > 0:30:11wedding anniversary.

0:30:11 > 0:30:13Time for the latest news, here's Rebecca.

0:30:13 > 0:30:16The BBC News headlines this morning.

0:30:16 > 0:30:19A deadline set by Zimbabwe's ruling party for President Robert Mugabe

0:30:19 > 0:30:21to resign or face impeachment runs out shortly.

0:30:21 > 0:30:24In a speech to the nation last night, Mr Mugabe made it clear it

0:30:24 > 0:30:33he had no intention of stepping down.

0:30:33 > 0:30:37The influential head of the war veterans organisation said they

0:30:37 > 0:30:40would initiate legal action in the High Court to remove President

0:30:40 > 0:30:44Mugabe, and called for further protests, including a sit-in to

0:30:44 > 0:30:47force him to resign.

0:30:47 > 0:30:50The German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier is to hold crisis talks

0:30:50 > 0:30:52with Chancellor Angela Merkel, after her failed attempt to forge

0:30:52 > 0:30:56a coalition cast doubts over her political future.

0:30:56 > 0:30:59The centrist Free Democrats pulled out of talks late last night,

0:30:59 > 0:31:00blaming irreconcilable differences with Mrs Merkel's Christian

0:31:00 > 0:31:07Democrats and the other party in the talks, the Greens.

0:31:07 > 0:31:09Talks have been going on for eight weeks following September's

0:31:09 > 0:31:12general election.

0:31:12 > 0:31:21Police say there were no injuries to suggest "any other person

0:31:21 > 0:31:24was involved" in the death of the missing teenager Gaia Pope.

0:31:24 > 0:31:27The 19-year-old's body was found on Saturday in a field near Swanage,

0:31:27 > 0:31:2911 days after she was last seen.

0:31:29 > 0:31:31Dorset Police are treating her death as "unexplained" pending

0:31:31 > 0:31:32toxicology results.

0:31:32 > 0:31:36The convicted cult leader Charles Manson -

0:31:36 > 0:31:39who orchestrated a series of notorious murders in the 1960s -

0:31:39 > 0:31:44has died in prison in California at the age of 83.

0:31:44 > 0:31:47In 1969, members of his group killed seven people including

0:31:47 > 0:31:49the actress Sharon Tate, wife of the film director,

0:31:49 > 0:31:51Roman Polanski.

0:31:51 > 0:31:53Manson himself was initially sentenced to death, before

0:31:53 > 0:32:02the penalty was abolished in California.

0:32:02 > 0:32:05Women are being advised to sleep on their side in the last three

0:32:05 > 0:32:09months of pregnancy to avoid having a stillborn baby.

0:32:09 > 0:32:12A study of just over 1,000 women found the risk doubles if women go

0:32:12 > 0:32:14to sleep on their backs but researchers say

0:32:14 > 0:32:16women should not worry if they are on their back

0:32:16 > 0:32:18when they wake up.

0:32:18 > 0:32:21The study authors estimate that about 130 babies' lives a year

0:32:21 > 0:32:26could be saved if this advice was followed.

0:32:26 > 0:32:29The Queen and Prince Philip are celebrating their 70th

0:32:29 > 0:32:35wedding anniversary today - the longest in the Royal

0:32:35 > 0:32:38family's history.

0:32:38 > 0:32:41The occasion is being marked with a new series of portraits,

0:32:41 > 0:32:44a set of stamps and a private party for the Royal Family

0:32:44 > 0:32:45at Windsor Castle.

0:32:45 > 0:32:47The church's bells of Westminster Abbey, where they married,

0:32:47 > 0:32:51will ring for more than three hours to mark the occasion.

0:32:51 > 0:32:56That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

0:32:56 > 0:33:01Here's some sport now with Jessica.

0:33:01 > 0:33:05As you have been reporting, sad news from the world of tennis and you can

0:33:05 > 0:33:11bring some of the tributes being paid to Jana Novotna.Yes, it has

0:33:11 > 0:33:14been confirmed this morning that the former Wimbledon champion Jana

0:33:14 > 0:33:19Novotna has died aged 49. Our tennis correspondent Russell Fuller joins

0:33:19 > 0:33:24me now. She will be well known to British tennis fans, but most

0:33:24 > 0:33:31remembered perhaps for crying after losing the Wimbledon final in 1993?

0:33:31 > 0:33:34Yes, in many ways, that will be the abiding memory of Jana Novotna

0:33:34 > 0:33:41amongst British fans. She couldn't help but share her emotion after

0:33:41 > 0:33:47losing the Wimbledon final to Steffi Graf in 1993. It was Jana Novotna's

0:33:47 > 0:33:50first Wimbledon final. The great Steffi Graf was her opponent.

0:33:50 > 0:33:53Novotna was in a winning position, but Steffi Graf came back to win and

0:33:53 > 0:33:57when she received her runners-up trophy from the Duchess of Kent, the

0:33:57 > 0:34:01Duchess literally provided her with a shoulder to cry on. She was back

0:34:01 > 0:34:05in the final four years later, losing to Martina Hingis. The

0:34:05 > 0:34:08Duchess of Kent then said to her, if you come back and make the final

0:34:08 > 0:34:13again, I'm sure it will be third time lucky, and so it proved. She

0:34:13 > 0:34:18came back in 1998 and this time, Jana Novotna was victorious. She won

0:34:18 > 0:34:24her one and only Wimbledon singles title.And incredible career, 24

0:34:24 > 0:34:30titles that she won during her career, inducted into the hall of

0:34:30 > 0:34:36fame in 2005. How do you think she will be remembered?Those titles

0:34:36 > 0:34:39were just that singles level. She was a wonderful doubles player as

0:34:39 > 0:34:46well. She won a number of doubles titles. 16 Grand Slam doubles

0:34:46 > 0:34:51titles. She was a serve and volley. She was a very athletic player. She

0:34:51 > 0:34:55won the team competition for her country, the Czech Republic. She won

0:34:55 > 0:34:59Olympic medals in singles and doubles. She was number one in the

0:34:59 > 0:35:02world in doubles, number two in the world in singles. We had the

0:35:02 > 0:35:05privilege of sharing a commentary box with her at Wimbledon in recent

0:35:05 > 0:35:11years. She was never ostentatious in her delivery, but you could see her

0:35:11 > 0:35:15passion for the sport, her love of the game and the way the players

0:35:15 > 0:35:24conducted the points.Russell, thank you. That is all the sport for now.

0:35:24 > 0:35:28Confirmation again that the former Wimbledon champion Jana Novotna has

0:35:28 > 0:35:32died aged 49.

0:35:32 > 0:35:33Welcome to the programme.

0:35:33 > 0:35:36As things stand right now - Robert Mugabe is still

0:35:36 > 0:35:38Zimbabwe's President - despite a warning that he'll be

0:35:38 > 0:35:40impeached and removed by his own party unless he resigns

0:35:40 > 0:35:44in just under half an hour's time.

0:35:44 > 0:35:48He didn't step down last night, as many expected, as many hoped,

0:35:48 > 0:35:52even though his own party have sacked him as leader; instead

0:35:52 > 0:36:01he said he intended to chair the party's congress next month.

0:36:01 > 0:36:09The Congress is due in a few weeks from now. I will preside over its

0:36:09 > 0:36:15processes, which must not be pre-possessed by any act is

0:36:15 > 0:36:24calculated to undermine it or to compromise the outcomes in the eyes

0:36:24 > 0:36:26of the public.

0:36:26 > 0:36:29Robert Mugabe's grip on power weakened big time since the army

0:36:29 > 0:36:30intervened on Wednesday, in a row over who

0:36:30 > 0:36:31should succeed him.

0:36:31 > 0:36:34The crisis began two weeks ago when the 93-year-old leader,

0:36:34 > 0:36:37who's been in charge since 1980, sacked his deputy Emmerson

0:36:37 > 0:36:45Mnangagwa, angering army commanders who saw it as an attempt

0:36:45 > 0:36:47to position his wife Grace as next president.

0:36:47 > 0:36:57Since there have been huge street raliies in the country,

0:36:57 > 0:36:58demonstrations including the country's influential

0:36:58 > 0:37:00war veterans, all demanding he step down.

0:37:00 > 0:37:05Under his presidency, he's overseen economic collapse,

0:37:05 > 0:37:07rampant corruption and the brutal oppression of anyone

0:37:07 > 0:37:17who dared to criticise him.

0:39:28 > 0:39:31Ishmael Kauzani joins us from Harare - he was tortured numerous times

0:39:31 > 0:39:32under Mugabe's regime.

0:39:32 > 0:39:34Marcellina Chikasha is also in Harare -

0:39:34 > 0:39:43she's President of the opposition African Democratic Party.

0:39:43 > 0:39:51Ishmael, President Mugabe has 20 minutes before the deadline expires

0:39:51 > 0:40:00to resign. Do you think he's going to?No, I don't. He's not going to

0:40:00 > 0:40:10resign. He said last night, I'm going to preside over the Zanu-PF

0:40:10 > 0:40:14congress, so I don't see him resigning.What do you think will

0:40:14 > 0:40:28happen, then?For now, I can't say anything. But as events are

0:40:28 > 0:40:37unfolding, anything can happen. As we speak right now, we are gathered

0:40:37 > 0:40:40in the square where we are having some prayers so that God might hear

0:40:40 > 0:40:50our prayers and he might resign. There are also other groups, the war

0:40:50 > 0:40:53veterans and other social movements who are planning some demonstrations

0:40:53 > 0:41:02and sit-ins. They are planning to march to the blue roof, his

0:41:02 > 0:41:09residence. Anything can happen. According to one Reuters witness,

0:41:09 > 0:41:12students at the university of Zimbabwe are not doing their exams,

0:41:12 > 0:41:16or the exams have been postponed today because students have started

0:41:16 > 0:41:23chanting and singing songs against resident Mugabe. I wonder if you can

0:41:23 > 0:41:28tell our British audience how you have been treated under his regime?

0:41:28 > 0:41:42Mine is a long story. It started in 2000. For now, I can say I have been

0:41:42 > 0:41:55arrested more than 130 times by Mugabe's regime.Why?I was arrested

0:41:55 > 0:42:03because I was a member of the MDC and I am a human rights activist.

0:42:03 > 0:42:07And MDC stands for the Movement for Democratic Change, which is an

0:42:07 > 0:42:13opposition party. And they understand in 2008, your friend and

0:42:13 > 0:42:22your brother were murdered by the regime. Tell us what happened.Yes.

0:42:22 > 0:42:29It was on the 19th of April 2008 when I was abducted together with my

0:42:29 > 0:42:38friend. We were taken away from Harare to our place about 80

0:42:38 > 0:42:47kilometres away, and we were beaten and dumped in the mountains. I

0:42:47 > 0:42:55sustained three broken ribs. My friend had multiple fractures to the

0:42:55 > 0:43:08league. We were rescued by the women who were fetching firewood. Then we

0:43:08 > 0:43:20were taken to a clinic and later transferred to another clinic. I was

0:43:20 > 0:43:29in hospital from the 20th of April until the 5th of May, when I was

0:43:29 > 0:43:36discharged. On the eighth, I planned to leave Harare to go to South

0:43:36 > 0:43:51Africa for further medication. I was also running away because I felt my

0:43:51 > 0:44:02life was in danger.So you had to get out. Let me bring in Marcellina.

0:44:02 > 0:44:09Sorry, Ishmael. Marcellina, you are the leader of an opposition party in

0:44:09 > 0:44:14Zimbabwe. What do you think is going to happen in the next 15 minutes? Do

0:44:14 > 0:44:19you think Mugabe is going to resign? I don't think he is going to resign

0:44:19 > 0:44:26at all. He has proved that he's not going be a pushover for anyone, and

0:44:26 > 0:44:31he doesn't want to deliver this presidency on a silver platter to

0:44:31 > 0:44:43Emmerson Mnangagwa.So what will happen if he doesn't resign?I am a

0:44:43 > 0:44:48bit worried, because we could descend into anarchy. These

0:44:48 > 0:44:54demonstrations could get out of hand. What people don't realise is

0:44:54 > 0:45:05that, in as they are desperate to get rid of Robert Mugabe, they have

0:45:05 > 0:45:09joined the system that has always oppressed them and they could just

0:45:09 > 0:45:14be collateral damage. We need to think about the citizens and the

0:45:14 > 0:45:21best way forward for the country. If the street protests and the marches

0:45:21 > 0:45:26that are being proposed go on on Wednesday, we could descend into

0:45:26 > 0:45:37anarchy. That is something that cannot be overlooked.

0:45:37 > 0:45:43As I understand it most people out on the streets, most of the army,

0:45:43 > 0:45:48want President Mugabe to step down. So everybody is on the same side?

0:45:48 > 0:45:53Everyone is on the same side now, but it only takes a moment for

0:45:53 > 0:45:56people to realise that it's not actually just Mugabe that they want

0:45:56 > 0:46:03out, it's the system that they want out. It's Zanu-PF they want out.

0:46:03 > 0:46:07Depending what happens in the situation and who takes advantage of

0:46:07 > 0:46:12the situation, you know, it's just fragile at the moment. I just think

0:46:12 > 0:46:18that the army intervening in civilian politics, you know, roping

0:46:18 > 0:46:22people in, citizens to in to fight their factional battles is not a

0:46:22 > 0:46:25good place for a country to be. Thank you very much for talking to

0:46:25 > 0:46:29us. That's the President of an

0:46:29 > 0:46:34opposition party called the African Democratic Party. Thank you for your

0:46:34 > 0:46:45time. He was arrested over 100 times since Robert Mugabe came into power

0:46:45 > 0:46:50and he had to flee effectively for his life. He had to save himself. He

0:46:50 > 0:46:57had to flee to South Africa. We will be live in Harare, of course, as we

0:46:57 > 0:47:00reach that deadline at 10am.

0:47:01 > 0:47:03On this day in 1947, the Queen and Prince Philip got

0:47:03 > 0:47:04married at Westminster Abbey.

0:47:04 > 0:47:07They'd actually got engaged a year earlier, but the Palace kept it

0:47:07 > 0:47:09a secret until the then Princess Elizabeth turned 21.

0:47:09 > 0:47:12They'd first met when the Queen was 13 years old.

0:47:12 > 0:47:14And for the last 70 years, their marriage has been

0:47:14 > 0:47:15a constant in British life.

0:47:15 > 0:47:19Here's how it all began.

0:47:36 > 0:47:41# When you are in love

0:47:41 > 0:47:47# It's the loveliest night of the year...

0:47:52 > 0:47:53The king and queen announce the betrothal

0:47:53 > 0:47:57of their dearly beloved daughter,

0:47:57 > 0:48:02the Princess Elizabeth, to Lieutenant Philip Mountbatten.

0:48:02 > 0:48:05I am so happy that on this, my third visit,

0:48:05 > 0:48:12my future husband is by my side.

0:48:24 > 0:48:28Into the dull November morning, two Greys draw the Irish State coach.

0:48:28 > 0:48:31Inside, the Royal Highness Princess Elizabeth and her father.

0:48:36 > 0:48:40# ...it's the loveliest night of the year

0:48:40 > 0:48:45# When you are in love

0:48:45 > 0:48:53# It's the loveliest night of the year

0:48:53 > 0:49:00# Stars twinkle above

0:49:00 > 0:49:09# And you almost can touch them from here

0:49:09 > 0:49:15# Words fall into rhyme

0:49:15 > 0:49:24# Any time you are holding me near

0:49:24 > 0:49:25# When you are in love

0:49:25 > 0:49:34# It's the loveliest night of the year

0:49:50 > 0:49:53Let's talk to the Queen's former press secretary Dickie Arbiter.

0:49:53 > 0:49:56Christopher Lee is a royal historian.

0:49:56 > 0:50:01Alun and Delphine Richards are in Swansea and they celebrated

0:50:01 > 0:50:03their 70th wedding anniversary in June and got a card

0:50:03 > 0:50:08from the Queen.

0:50:08 > 0:50:13Welcome all of you. Thank you so much. Dickie, you have seen this

0:50:13 > 0:50:17relationship of the Queen and Prince Philip's from close quarters. Give

0:50:17 > 0:50:21us an insight into what they are like together?They are like pretty

0:50:21 > 0:50:24much a normal married couple. The fact that the Queen is head of state

0:50:24 > 0:50:29and head of nation is neither here nor there when they are sitting

0:50:29 > 0:50:34across the table from one another. I was there in the crowd watching the

0:50:34 > 0:50:40procession and there was love and adoration when they were driving

0:50:40 > 0:50:43back from Westminster Abbey and that exists today. They have got humour.

0:50:43 > 0:50:47They've got affection for each other. They have got chemistry.I

0:50:47 > 0:50:51can imagine him making her laugh. Does she make him laugh?Yes, she

0:50:51 > 0:50:55does make him laugh. What you see in public is the very different to the

0:50:55 > 0:50:59person you see in private. They are two people that are pretty much

0:50:59 > 0:51:03wrapped up in each other, but they give each other space. She has got a

0:51:03 > 0:51:08job to do. He has got a role and they allow each other to get on with

0:51:08 > 0:51:13it, but when it's time to come together they do come together.

0:51:13 > 0:51:15Christopher, you believe their marriage is symbolic of British

0:51:15 > 0:51:23national identity. Explain?Well, one of the roles of the monarchy

0:51:23 > 0:51:28apart from providing an heir is to reflect identity of the nation and

0:51:28 > 0:51:32it's not so much look at us this is how you ought to behave, but it is

0:51:32 > 0:51:37somehow they do reflect the feelings of a nation. A nation feels quite

0:51:37 > 0:51:44comfortable with the idea of a long lived monarch. I think that what I

0:51:44 > 0:51:47find intriguing without being sort of damp about it, this is towards

0:51:47 > 0:51:55the end of this long monarchy and this long reflection of the nation.

0:51:55 > 0:51:59If you go back to 1947 what it was like then and right up to the

0:51:59 > 0:52:05present day where the uncertainties that we have now and I think that's

0:52:05 > 0:52:10particularly important because when you look at the, looking at Ascot

0:52:10 > 0:52:13earlier this year and in all the crisises that's going on throughout

0:52:13 > 0:52:18the world and suddenly up came the carriage and then there they were

0:52:18 > 0:52:23waving, and suddenly, that seemed right because it reflected another

0:52:23 > 0:52:32side of the nation. Let me brael in Alun and del fen.

0:52:32 > 0:52:38Both 93 and celebrating the 70th wedding anniversary. Congratulations

0:52:38 > 0:52:47first of all.Thank you.Thank you. Tell us how you do it. How have you

0:52:47 > 0:52:54done it for 70 years? What's the secret?Well, I really don't know. I

0:52:54 > 0:53:00think it is a bit of give-and-take. She gives and I take! And we manage

0:53:00 > 0:53:04fine that way. LAUGHTER

0:53:04 > 0:53:13Yes, I agree. That's the sum of it. How would you describe what it is

0:53:13 > 0:53:22like being married for 70 years?I don't know. It's, we've just got on

0:53:22 > 0:53:34so well. We don't know the time passes even. We're good friends. We

0:53:34 > 0:53:40have laughs together and it's just normal to us that we should be

0:53:40 > 0:53:47together.Do you still love each other?

0:53:47 > 0:53:55Sorry?How much do you still love each other?Oh, very much.Oh yes.

0:53:55 > 0:54:08Very much, yes. Alun?Yes.How much do you her?Of

0:54:08 > 0:54:15course, I do. More than I ever did. I know you got a card from the Queen

0:54:15 > 0:54:19and a commemorative coin from the Royal Mint to celebrate, didn't you?

0:54:19 > 0:54:27What else did you get for your platinum wedding anniversary?Well,

0:54:27 > 0:54:31on the actual anniversary, I don't think we got each other, that's all

0:54:31 > 0:54:42we wanted. We did have a special service for us in chapel as part of

0:54:42 > 0:54:48the normal Sunday service which was rather moving. We renewed our

0:54:48 > 0:55:03wedding vows.And how was it for you?We are just like one being, I

0:55:03 > 0:55:12feel, you know, we have become one being and we know what the other

0:55:12 > 0:55:17wants and sometimes we disagree, but it's not much of a disagreement.

0:55:17 > 0:55:25It's just sort of, oh well, I think so and so and that's it.

0:55:25 > 0:55:30Thank you very much. Let me bring in Dickie and Christopher. Dickie

0:55:30 > 0:55:35former press secretary to the Queen. The Queen and Prince Philip, do they

0:55:35 > 0:55:39have disagreements? Do they argue? They might argue. They might have a

0:55:39 > 0:55:45little bit of a spat, but it is over very quickly. Their body language,

0:55:45 > 0:55:48looking at the pictures released today, there is one picture of them

0:55:48 > 0:55:53looking at each other, look at the picture behind us, they have that

0:55:53 > 0:55:57look and it permates through the course of their marriage. There have

0:55:57 > 0:55:59always been pictures like that. Their body language is terrific.

0:55:59 > 0:56:05They do adore each other and it does come through. It does show and they

0:56:05 > 0:56:09just have this ability to connect, to communicate without actually

0:56:09 > 0:56:14being joined at the hip.Do you think Christopher, they have taught

0:56:14 > 0:56:20us any lessons about how to make marriage work?I don't think it is

0:56:20 > 0:56:23making marriage work because they failed to teach some of the other

0:56:23 > 0:56:29members of the Royal Family, haven't they how to make marriage work? What

0:56:29 > 0:56:33is fascinating here when they get married, he is going to be a very

0:56:33 > 0:56:37good naval officer. He was a very good naval officer. He under

0:56:37 > 0:56:41standings that this would be a complete change his life. When he

0:56:41 > 0:56:47becomes, when the Queen becomes the Queen, he turns around and says, "I

0:56:47 > 0:56:59have nothing to do. I haven't got a role in this. ." You can go off a

0:56:59 > 0:57:03design the royal naught and go off to Australia and cause levels of

0:57:03 > 0:57:07friction, like talking to the couple here, we look round and we look at

0:57:07 > 0:57:11them and we look at the Royal Family and the Queen and Prince Philip and

0:57:11 > 0:57:16say, 70 years, now what made it work? What was it? Is it like the

0:57:16 > 0:57:21older you get in marriage, the more forgiving you are? It becomes

0:57:21 > 0:57:26something which you split into two roles. The Queen, about whom we know

0:57:26 > 0:57:30very little surprisingly and Prince Philip who we seem to know far more

0:57:30 > 0:57:35about, and they become symbols and that's why I come back to this idea

0:57:35 > 0:57:42that they somehow reflect society as it is at the moment. So, we are

0:57:42 > 0:57:47moving towards a complete change in the way society is and the way

0:57:47 > 0:57:51monarchy will reflect that society. I think it's the end of an era.

0:57:51 > 0:57:59Thank you very much. Congratulations again. Thank you.

0:57:59 > 0:58:0470 years. The latest news and sport coming up.

0:58:04 > 0:58:08Latest from Harare in a couple of minutes. Before that, the weather.

0:58:08 > 0:58:10Here is Carol. Thank you, Victoria.

0:58:10 > 0:58:11minutes. Before that, the weather. Here is Carol. Thank you, Victoria.

0:58:11 > 0:58:14This morning it has been a cold start, but a very mild start for

0:58:14 > 0:58:18others. As we go through this week, the forecast is a mild one. There

0:58:18 > 0:58:21will be rain at times and it is often going to be windy A the moment

0:58:21 > 0:58:25in parts of North Wales, the temperature is 14 Celsius. Low

0:58:25 > 0:58:29pressure is dominating our weather. We have got an array of fronts

0:58:29 > 0:58:33moving from its west to the east, taking rain with them. With

0:58:33 > 0:58:36transient hill snow across the Highlands of Scotland. We are

0:58:36 > 0:58:41pulling in our wind from the south-west which means that's a mild

0:58:41 > 0:58:44direction, hence the higher temperatures, milder air holds

0:58:44 > 0:58:48moisture so there is a lot of cloud and rain. The exception to the mild

0:58:48 > 0:58:51air is across the far north-east of Scotland. So as we go through the

0:58:51 > 0:58:54course of this morning, the rain continues to edge into the North

0:58:54 > 0:58:58Sea. Behind it, there will be spots of rain coming out of the thicker

0:58:58 > 0:59:01cloud and there will be a lot of cloud around this afternoon with

0:59:01 > 0:59:05just one or two exceptions where we will see sunshine. So into the

0:59:05 > 0:59:09afternoon across south-west England, we hang on to the cloud. Some

0:59:09 > 0:59:12splashes of rain, some splashes of rain not everywhere as we push

0:59:12 > 0:59:15across southern counties, but it is going to be fairly cloudy

0:59:15 > 0:59:19everywhere, but one thing you will notice particularly compared to

0:59:19 > 0:59:22yesterday is, it's fairly mild. Across northern England we are

0:59:22 > 0:59:25looking at that cloud producing rain and indeed we are too across

0:59:25 > 0:59:30Scotland. The heavier rain having pushed off into the North Sea. The

0:59:30 > 0:59:35rain drizzly and murky conditions. In Scotland it will be chilly. Seven

0:59:35 > 0:59:38Celsius the tomp ture in Aberdeen. Spots of rain coming out of the

0:59:38 > 0:59:42cloud across Northern Ireland. Here too, very mild for the time of year

0:59:42 > 0:59:45and for Wales, quite a murky afternoon, all having said that,

0:59:45 > 0:59:49parts of east Wales and Herefordshire, also the West

0:59:49 > 0:59:57Midlands seeing sunshine. Lieu this evening and overnight, the rain

0:59:57 > 0:59:59across Scotland rejaouf nates. We have south-westerly winds and

0:59:59 > 1:00:06another mild night. The temperatures wouldn't be too bad for day time

1:00:06 > 1:00:09maximums, the mild air pushing up across the north of Scotland.

1:00:09 > 1:00:12Tomorrow the rain continues to push up into the north and a new band

1:00:12 > 1:00:16comes into the west and for a time at least it will be dry in the east.

1:00:18 > 1:00:19Hello.

1:00:19 > 1:00:27It's Monday, it's 10 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

1:00:27 > 1:00:33Welcome to the problem - programme what a Freudian slip.

1:00:33 > 1:00:36The deadline for Robert Mugabe to stand down as President

1:00:36 > 1:00:42of Zimbabwe has passed.

1:00:42 > 1:00:46I will have the latest live from Zimbabwe, a nation still in shock

1:00:46 > 1:00:49and disbelief that President Mugabe failed to resign in his live

1:00:49 > 1:00:53televised address last night. There are calls for people to turn out

1:00:53 > 1:00:58onto the streets tomorrow in huge demonstrations, demanding that he

1:00:58 > 1:01:03goes.We will bring you the latest reaction to events in Zimbabwe over

1:01:03 > 1:01:06the next half-hour and try and find out happens next.

1:01:06 > 1:01:08Also on the programme - so-called "punishment"

1:01:08 > 1:01:09attacks by paramilitaries, usually kneecappings

1:01:09 > 1:01:10or serious beatings.

1:01:10 > 1:01:12They're happening in this country right now and they're

1:01:12 > 1:01:16taking their toll on society.

1:01:16 > 1:01:18I know of several examples where young people have been shot

1:01:18 > 1:01:21or beaten by paramilitary organisations and within a matter

1:01:21 > 1:01:31of weeks, they've taken their own lives.

1:01:37 > 1:01:43Our correspondent Ben Brown is in Harare.

1:01:43 > 1:01:48Welcome to the special coverage of the crisis in Zimbabwe. We are in

1:01:48 > 1:01:51the capital, Harare, and that deadline for Mr Mugabe to resign has

1:01:51 > 1:01:56just passed. To our knowledge, he has not resigned. He certainly

1:01:56 > 1:02:03didn't in that much anticipated televised address last night on

1:02:03 > 1:02:06Zimbabwean national television after days of pressure from the military

1:02:06 > 1:02:10here, from his own party, Zanu-PF, which sacked him as party leader,

1:02:10 > 1:02:13and indeed from the people, with huge demonstrations here on

1:02:13 > 1:02:17Saturday. Despite all of that pressure, he refused to resign. What

1:02:17 > 1:02:21looks now inevitable is that there will be moves to impeach him. In the

1:02:21 > 1:02:27parliament behind me, they will need a two thirds majority in both Houses

1:02:27 > 1:02:31of Parliament to impeach him. We have been told this morning by one

1:02:31 > 1:02:36MP that that impeachment process could take quite a while. Days,

1:02:36 > 1:02:39weeks, maybe even months. So Mr Mugabe is still technically

1:02:39 > 1:02:45president of this country, still the oldest president in the world, and

1:02:45 > 1:02:49also, bizarrely, under house arrest. We have been hearing from the war

1:02:49 > 1:02:53veterans, the men who fought alongside Mr Mugabe in the war of

1:02:53 > 1:02:56liberation for Zimbabwe, the war of independence. They want him out.

1:02:56 > 1:03:07They have just a news conference. Yesterday, the party record him, and

1:03:07 > 1:03:11today they are starting to initiate impeachment proceedings, so I hear.

1:03:11 > 1:03:17And they will be calling upon the various province chairman to call

1:03:17 > 1:03:23upon the MPs from those provinces to come to Parliament and make sure

1:03:23 > 1:03:28that impeachment proceedings begin against Mr Mugabe. This is a welcome

1:03:28 > 1:03:35thing and we want it to proceed. We encourage the party to expeditiously

1:03:35 > 1:03:42do that as soon as possible. We are also appealing to other party in the

1:03:42 > 1:03:44Parliament, the MDC, to coordinate their efforts with the ruling party

1:03:44 > 1:03:49so that we achieve the desired end to see Mugabe out of office

1:03:49 > 1:04:00immediately.That was the leader of the war veterans Association here,

1:04:00 > 1:04:04saying that Mr Mugabe has been in power for 37 years in Zimbabwe. He

1:04:04 > 1:04:11should not be allowed to stay in power, he says, for another 37

1:04:11 > 1:04:15seconds. Just an example of the hostility to Mr Mugabe that there

1:04:15 > 1:04:20is, but for the moment, he shows no sign of resigning. Let's talk to

1:04:20 > 1:04:28Beatrice, a Zimbabwean human rights lawyer who joins us now in Harare.

1:04:28 > 1:04:32What do you make of Mr Mugabe's refusal to resign when so many were

1:04:32 > 1:04:38expecting that he would?I think everybody knows that he is a very

1:04:38 > 1:04:43stubborn man. I'm surprised that people thought he would just cave in

1:04:43 > 1:04:46because people say he must resign. That is typical Robert Mugabe for

1:04:46 > 1:04:55you.OK! But what will he do now? Is he going to stick this out? We have

1:04:55 > 1:05:02an impeachment process. Is that going to be successful?I think

1:05:02 > 1:05:07impeachment is probably the best route to take. Firstly, it is legal

1:05:07 > 1:05:10and secondly, since everybody agrees from all the political divide that

1:05:10 > 1:05:18he should go, they can short-circuit the process by ensuring that

1:05:18 > 1:05:23Parliamentary rules are suspended for the purposes of ensuring that it

1:05:23 > 1:05:26goes through. Parliament has the power to regulate its own rules, so

1:05:26 > 1:05:32they can fast-track it if they wish to. And by all accounts, they do

1:05:32 > 1:05:38want it over and done with by yesterday.What was the reaction?

1:05:38 > 1:05:41Millions were watching the televised address last night and a lot of

1:05:41 > 1:05:47people were thinking he was going to resign. One news agency reported

1:05:47 > 1:05:52that he had resigned, in fact. But he didn't. Was there shock, anger,

1:05:52 > 1:05:59disappointment?For the ordinary people enlisted, the thinking was,

1:05:59 > 1:06:03why would he have a press conference unless he was going to say what they

1:06:03 > 1:06:06wanted him to say? But from a strategic point of view, it is a

1:06:06 > 1:06:13good thing he didn't resign, because he cannot challenge the process on

1:06:13 > 1:06:16the basis that he was coerced and resigned under duress because he was

1:06:16 > 1:06:22surrounded by the military. So the fact that he was made to go there

1:06:22 > 1:06:26with a statement that didn't say what the military wants in itself

1:06:26 > 1:06:33can be used to show that actually, he was not under any form of

1:06:33 > 1:06:37coercion and the military would be able to save the guy came, made his

1:06:37 > 1:06:41statement. We didn't like the statement, but he was a free man. So

1:06:41 > 1:06:51this is not a coup, because in a coup, you make someone read what you

1:06:51 > 1:06:55want him to read. So this was a masterstroke, because he cannot

1:06:55 > 1:06:59argue that it was a forced resignation.But he is still

1:06:59 > 1:07:05president and that is extraordinary. If he under house arrest?Again,

1:07:05 > 1:07:09from a strategic point of view, it is easy to argue that this is not a

1:07:09 > 1:07:14coup because when one has a coup, the military takes over the levers

1:07:14 > 1:07:17of government. Here, all the levers of government are still with

1:07:17 > 1:07:22Zanu-PF. All the ministers except the few who are in custody are this

1:07:22 > 1:07:26judging their duties. The army commanders have not taken over

1:07:26 > 1:07:31Mugabe's office. It is still functioning normally. It is probably

1:07:31 > 1:07:36meant to disguise the fact that there is military intervention,

1:07:36 > 1:07:41which ordinarily is a coup. But because they have not taken of the

1:07:41 > 1:07:49government, they can argue that actually, it wasn't a coup.How much

1:07:49 > 1:07:54longer do you think he's going to be president, weeks, months or days?

1:07:54 > 1:07:59When one looks at how this thing is snowballing, his period is becoming

1:07:59 > 1:08:06shorter and shorter. I would definitely say not weeks. We are

1:08:06 > 1:08:12talking days, depending on how the impeachment goes. The university

1:08:12 > 1:08:16students are also making their own demands, which means other civil

1:08:16 > 1:08:20society activists will join the bandwagon. It looks like the country

1:08:20 > 1:08:28will be made ungovernable unless he steps down.Beatrice, a Zimbabwean

1:08:28 > 1:08:34human rights lawyer, thank you for your time. Despite what Beatrice was

1:08:34 > 1:08:37saying, Mr Mugabe has not got a great track record of listening to

1:08:37 > 1:08:40the people, although there is another big penetration being called

1:08:40 > 1:08:46for tomorrow in Harare by the war veterans Association. Their leader

1:08:46 > 1:08:50told us he will expect that demonstration to be even bigger than

1:08:50 > 1:08:54the vast demonstration we saw here on Saturday, when thousands took to

1:08:54 > 1:08:58the streets, demanding that Mr Mugabe goes now. Let's get the

1:08:58 > 1:09:02thoughts of our Southern Africa correspondent, Milton Nkosi, in

1:09:02 > 1:09:08Johannesburg. The deadline has come and gone. He is still technically

1:09:08 > 1:09:16president?Yes. We now expect that Zanu-PF will deliver on its threat,

1:09:16 > 1:09:23or promise, that they will start impeachment receiving is and there

1:09:23 > 1:09:30will start carrying them out in parliament on Tuesday. Even if this

1:09:30 > 1:09:37process was started by the military, they are now taking a step back and

1:09:37 > 1:09:44allowing it to be a popular movement by the people. Beatrice is correct

1:09:44 > 1:09:48that the students are joining in. They will have mass action following

1:09:48 > 1:09:56this. Last week, we saw the military taking charge and the people

1:09:56 > 1:10:00following the military. I think from now on, things will be turned around

1:10:00 > 1:10:06so that the people are taking charge of the process and the military will

1:10:06 > 1:10:16be behind them. And what is important is the region. They want

1:10:16 > 1:10:19the transition of Robert Mugabe stepping down to be choreographed

1:10:19 > 1:10:23carefully. That is why you have this delicate constitutionalism getting

1:10:23 > 1:10:34in the way of what we all thought was a coup d'etat. What they want is

1:10:34 > 1:10:38that by the time Robert Mugabe is gone, they cannot say he was removed

1:10:38 > 1:10:43by the barrel of a gun.Maybe we were wrong to be surprised last

1:10:43 > 1:10:47night when he made that address and failed to resign. Maybe we should

1:10:47 > 1:10:50never have expected a man as stubborn as we all know Robert

1:10:50 > 1:10:57Mugabe is to just cave in?Well, it was a natural expectation once you

1:10:57 > 1:10:59hear the president is going to address the nation live on

1:10:59 > 1:11:05television. You expect something unusual. And of course, Robert

1:11:05 > 1:11:10Mugabe held onto his line that he has been holding since the army

1:11:10 > 1:11:16parked a tank outside his house. It is clear that he has no intention of

1:11:16 > 1:11:22stepping down. We heard him in his own words saying that he is hoping

1:11:22 > 1:11:27to be presiding over the Zanu-PF congress in December. We are in

1:11:27 > 1:11:35November. So the president thinks he will still be president by December.

1:11:35 > 1:11:40Thank you. That was Milton Nkosi, our Southern Africa correspondent.

1:11:40 > 1:11:45Calls for big demonstrations again tomorrow. Let's talk to an activist

1:11:45 > 1:11:54who was on the streets on Saturday. Will you come out onto the streets

1:11:54 > 1:12:00again to demand that Mr Mugabe goes? I will be on the streets until he

1:12:00 > 1:12:07goes. There is no other option. I just need to see him go. So we are

1:12:07 > 1:12:13sitting in Africa Unity Square until he goes.When you saw that speech

1:12:13 > 1:12:19last night on TV, how surprised, disappointed or angry where you that

1:12:19 > 1:12:24he barely mentioned all the pressure on him to go and never mentioned the

1:12:24 > 1:12:27demonstrations or the fact that the people are against him, certainly in

1:12:27 > 1:12:34Harare?Yesterday, before the speech, I was ready to celebrate.

1:12:34 > 1:12:38And then when I heard the speech, I was really disappointed. It was

1:12:38 > 1:12:48heartbreaking. I was actually in tears. We expected him to step down

1:12:48 > 1:12:55and do the right thing. And all he said was nothing.Isn't that classic

1:12:55 > 1:13:01Robert Mugabe, in a sense?Yeah, that is classic Robert Mugabe. His

1:13:01 > 1:13:05sole ambition was to have power from the beginning. He got that power

1:13:05 > 1:13:12which is so dear to him, and he wants to hold onto it for ever.Do

1:13:12 > 1:13:16you think something has changed in this country with that amazing

1:13:16 > 1:13:20demonstration on Saturday that you took part in? It was euphoric and

1:13:20 > 1:13:23full of joy. People were on the streets. They were taking selfies

1:13:23 > 1:13:30with the Army. Has everything now changed in Zimbabwe after that?Yes,

1:13:30 > 1:13:36there was a sense of a freedom that we had never experienced in this

1:13:36 > 1:13:40country. As an activist, some of the demonstrations we have been doing

1:13:40 > 1:13:46were under police brutality. You could not walk a step without police

1:13:46 > 1:13:51throwing tear gas at you. So there is a sense of freedom and hope in

1:13:51 > 1:14:00the country that something can be done.Thank you very much. That is

1:14:00 > 1:14:05the latest from here. We know that that deadline has passed. Mr Mugabe

1:14:05 > 1:14:08has still not resigned, but we will bring you the latest throughout the

1:14:08 > 1:14:13day on BBC News.

1:14:13 > 1:14:19So-called punishment attacks, knee-cappings, serious beatings

1:14:19 > 1:14:25using sledgehammers and electric drills as punishment for carrying

1:14:25 > 1:14:28out a crime or anti-social behaviour is something we associate with

1:14:28 > 1:14:29Isis-controlled parts of Iraq and Syria.

1:14:29 > 1:14:31But it's also happening here in the UK in 2017.

1:14:31 > 1:14:33After a period of decline, such attacks by paramilitaries

1:14:33 > 1:14:36are on the rise in Northern Ireland, with a 30% increase

1:14:36 > 1:14:45over the last year.

1:14:45 > 1:14:48Talking to people who've been victims of them is incredibly rare,

1:14:48 > 1:14:49for obvious reasons.

1:14:49 > 1:14:51But our reporter Greg Dawson has spoken to two young men

1:14:51 > 1:14:53who were kneecapped.

1:14:53 > 1:15:00We brought you his full report earlier; here's a short extract.

1:15:00 > 1:15:03It is graphic from the beginning and you may not want young children to

1:15:03 > 1:15:04hear it.

1:15:04 > 1:15:08Shootings, beatings, threats.

1:15:08 > 1:15:11Paramilitary-style attacks may be a legacy of decades of conflict

1:15:11 > 1:15:15in Northern Ireland, but even in 2017, the self-appointed

1:15:15 > 1:15:17men in charge still see it as their role to police

1:15:17 > 1:15:20their communities and crack down on what they deem to be

1:15:20 > 1:15:21antisocial behaviour.

1:15:21 > 1:15:25James and Thomas, not their real names, were shot in the legs.

1:15:25 > 1:15:31We voiced their words for them.

1:15:31 > 1:15:34They got in contact with someone in the family, they told me I had

1:15:34 > 1:15:35to go and meet them.

1:15:35 > 1:15:38I walked to the place and they told me to go

1:15:38 > 1:15:41and they were standing there, they showed me the gun and told me

1:15:41 > 1:15:43to lie down on the floor.

1:15:43 > 1:15:47That was it.

1:15:47 > 1:15:49One of the hallmarks of these attacks is that many

1:15:49 > 1:15:53of the victims know it's coming.

1:15:53 > 1:15:56In some cases, parents are faced with a dreadful dilemma of how best

1:15:56 > 1:15:57to protect their child.

1:15:57 > 1:16:00Hide them from paramilitary groups or hand them over

1:16:00 > 1:16:02for so-called appointments.

1:16:02 > 1:16:04I did one or two bad things and they were just picking

1:16:04 > 1:16:06on me and picking on me.

1:16:06 > 1:16:08I was trying to change my life around and they were

1:16:08 > 1:16:16still picking on me.

1:16:16 > 1:16:20They put me out of the country and then mummy visited me and said,

1:16:20 > 1:16:24"Listen I've been talking to someone to try to sort it out to get someone

1:16:24 > 1:16:29to give you an easy shooting".

1:16:29 > 1:16:37I put my shoes on and went straightaway and

1:16:37 > 1:16:40I put my shoes on and went straightaway and I said, "Yes,

1:16:40 > 1:16:41let's get it over and done with".

1:16:41 > 1:16:44So I put my shoes on and straight to Belfast, right.

1:16:44 > 1:16:46Talk me through the day it happened?

1:16:46 > 1:16:49I was told to walk up the street and I looked behind me

1:16:49 > 1:16:50and two men were there.

1:16:50 > 1:16:53I turned round and I said to them, there are ten times as many people

1:16:53 > 1:16:57out there doing worse than me and he just said, "Listen, kid, I'll

1:16:57 > 1:16:58look after you".

1:16:58 > 1:16:59And how's that looking after you?

1:16:59 > 1:17:01In 2016-2017, there were 94 reported casualties of shootings

1:17:01 > 1:17:04and assaults, that's up 30% on the previous year.

1:17:04 > 1:17:06Attacks are currently at their highest level since 2010.

1:17:06 > 1:17:09And since 2009, 47% of attacks targeted people aged 25 and under.

1:17:09 > 1:17:11The Police Service of Northern Ireland has now

1:17:11 > 1:17:17teamed up with officers from the National Crime Agency

1:17:17 > 1:17:19for a dedicated task force to deal with paramilitaries.

1:17:19 > 1:17:22Beyond doubt, there is an attempt by some of these paramilitary groups

1:17:22 > 1:17:27to continue to exert their influence within communities and I think this

1:17:27 > 1:17:30is one area where they see a degree of populism and they think it's

1:17:30 > 1:17:33a way which they can re-establish or promote their legitimacy

1:17:33 > 1:17:38within communities.

1:17:38 > 1:17:40Obviously, from my perspective, I am absolutely committed to denying

1:17:40 > 1:17:42them any potential oxygen in that respect.

1:17:42 > 1:17:43Although the majority of injuries from attacks

1:17:43 > 1:17:45aren't life-threatening, they can be life-changing

1:17:45 > 1:17:47and campaigners argue the mental health consequences can be

1:17:47 > 1:17:52the most damaging.

1:17:52 > 1:17:54Let's talk to Koulla Yiasouma, Northern Ireland's Commisioner

1:17:54 > 1:17:56for Children and Young people.

1:17:56 > 1:18:04Tommy McCourt is a mediator at the Rosemount Centre in Derry.

1:18:04 > 1:18:09I want to ask you Tommy McCourt first of all why do some parents

1:18:09 > 1:18:16choose to hand over their sons to the paramilitaries to be subject to

1:18:16 > 1:18:22a so-called punishment beating or shooting?Well, I mean that's a very

1:18:22 > 1:18:23difficult question to simply

1:18:23 > 1:18:24shooting?Well, I mean that's a very difficult question to simply answer.

1:18:24 > 1:18:30What you need to do is ask why are the punishment shootings taking

1:18:30 > 1:18:34place in the first place and also to look at the overall history of this

1:18:34 > 1:18:39society that we have been living in for 40 years. If someone is coming

1:18:39 > 1:18:45to tell a parent that their son, his behaviour has got to a level or it

1:18:45 > 1:18:52has got to a point where he has to be stopped in one form or another,

1:18:52 > 1:18:58that's an indictment of our society in not being able to put proper

1:18:58 > 1:19:01resources in place to deal with these things.Why wouldn't people go

1:19:01 > 1:19:06to the police to report anti-social behaviour?Well, people, some people

1:19:06 > 1:19:13will go to the police. This is not, them or us attitude. Some people try

1:19:13 > 1:19:16all sorts of different methodologies. They go to social

1:19:16 > 1:19:20workers and the local church and they go to the police, they go to

1:19:20 > 1:19:23local communities and different organisations to try and get help

1:19:23 > 1:19:26because their son is maybe behaving in a fashion which is creating

1:19:26 > 1:19:30mayhem within their communities or taking drugs or selling drugs or

1:19:30 > 1:19:34whatever and parents do, as what parents do, they do everything in

1:19:34 > 1:19:39their power to prevent this and try and stop it, but the reality is

1:19:39 > 1:19:42there is insufficient resources to be able to deal with this and

1:19:42 > 1:19:45sometimes, you have to be careful here, if you try to explain these

1:19:45 > 1:19:50things or try to analyse them in some fashion you are maybe portrayed

1:19:50 > 1:19:53as trying to justify them. I want to be clear, our position is

1:19:53 > 1:19:57straightforward. We make it clear from day one that violence is not

1:19:57 > 1:20:02the answer to social problems. But at the same time, if you're going to

1:20:02 > 1:20:08say violence isn't the answer you have to say what is and if the

1:20:08 > 1:20:11resources aren't there then frustration sets in and because of

1:20:11 > 1:20:15the history of this society that we have been living in, there is a

1:20:15 > 1:20:18tendency for people to say if we don't get help from the state and if

1:20:18 > 1:20:23we don't get it from outside, we will turn to our own people and

1:20:23 > 1:20:30that's where marred military organisations step into the picture.

1:20:30 > 1:20:34Koulla How do you react to the significant rise in the punishment

1:20:34 > 1:20:38shootings and beatings particularly on young people?I am appalled and

1:20:38 > 1:20:41what your piece today has highlighted just how devastating it

1:20:41 > 1:20:44is, not only to the lives of children and young people

1:20:44 > 1:20:48themselves, but their families and their communities and Tommy is

1:20:48 > 1:20:51right, this is a multi-facetted issue. So there is the issue of

1:20:51 > 1:20:55making sure that the criminal justice systems have the support of

1:20:55 > 1:20:59the local community to be able to deal with their issues. If you see

1:20:59 > 1:21:03somebody committing a crime, you should report it. If you see

1:21:03 > 1:21:05somebody abusing or assaulting a young person or anybody else, you

1:21:05 > 1:21:10should feel the confidence to be able to report it, but why is it in

1:21:10 > 1:21:14particular communities and we have to look at stained funding. We have

1:21:14 > 1:21:22to look at support for communities because these communities are

1:21:22 > 1:21:25vibrant, but disjointed funding, piecemeal funding, different people

1:21:25 > 1:21:28doing different things in different ways isn't helping to find a

1:21:28 > 1:21:35long-term solution to this issue. And just one thing, let's not

1:21:35 > 1:21:37romanticise, these aren't paramilitaries fighting for a cause,

1:21:37 > 1:21:44these are in the main criminal gangs fighting, looking to take control so

1:21:44 > 1:21:48that they can continue with their criminal activity whether it is drug

1:21:48 > 1:21:51dealing or any sort of criminal activity and they are trying to

1:21:51 > 1:21:56control children and young people. Even if there were more resources

1:21:56 > 1:21:59that wouldn't necessarily lead to communities trusting the police

1:21:59 > 1:22:05more? How does that happen?There needs to be a piece of work, the

1:22:05 > 1:22:10police need to go in there and not just the police, our Criminal

1:22:10 > 1:22:13Justice System, I have heard continually from communities and let

1:22:13 > 1:22:17me say that I have been working on this from the day and hour I became

1:22:17 > 1:22:20commissioner and other organisations and you have heard from some of them

1:22:20 > 1:22:25today have been working on this a lot longer including my office under

1:22:25 > 1:22:28my predecessor, but the police and the whole Criminal Justice System

1:22:28 > 1:22:33need to go in and demonstrate to these communities that they are

1:22:33 > 1:22:38there police service, that they are their Criminal Justice System. Since

1:22:38 > 1:22:422009 we have had devolution of crime and justice. The parties who signed

1:22:42 > 1:22:47up to devolution of policing, are the ones who are getting the highest

1:22:47 > 1:22:51votes. They must send the message to their communities and the police and

1:22:51 > 1:22:55the rest of the Criminal Justice System must demonstrate on a day and

1:22:55 > 1:22:58daily basis, not just when something happens and then they just walk in,

1:22:58 > 1:23:02but on a day and daily basis that they are there for them. They are

1:23:02 > 1:23:06there to protect them, not just to criminalise them and not just to

1:23:06 > 1:23:09arrest them which they should do if a crime is being committed, but they

1:23:09 > 1:23:14are there to keep them safe.Tommy, let me read some messages from our

1:23:14 > 1:23:19audience to you. This text from Chris, "What the paramilitary groups

1:23:19 > 1:23:22are doing to teenagers is illegal and unacceptable. This is the no the

1:23:22 > 1:23:26Wild West. The police and courts are there to decide on punishment

1:23:26 > 1:23:30legally and fairly. Anybody who thinks the paramilitaries are doing

1:23:30 > 1:23:33the community a service, they are wrong. For them to scare, threaten,

1:23:33 > 1:23:38mums and dads to take their children to be beaten or shot or knee capped

1:23:38 > 1:23:43is sick." Neil, there are a couple like this, Tommy, "Am I supposed to

1:23:43 > 1:23:47feel sorry for the young men who involve themselves in criminal

1:23:47 > 1:23:52activity that they know is likely to result in a punishment beating? Play

1:23:52 > 1:23:59with fire and you get burned." What dud say to that?Well, I think it

1:23:59 > 1:24:01demonstrates the ambivalence that there is towards this. Again, I

1:24:01 > 1:24:05think you have to understand in the history and the context of the state

1:24:05 > 1:24:09that we're living in. I mean we would see people and hear people

1:24:09 > 1:24:12regularly saying things that was terrible, that young man being shot

1:24:12 > 1:24:16was an awful thing and two seconds later out of the same voice, it says

1:24:16 > 1:24:19but he didn't get it for nothing. He didn't get it for saying his

1:24:19 > 1:24:23prayers. The behaviour of these young people are destroying our

1:24:23 > 1:24:26communities and ruining the lives of people living within the communities

1:24:26 > 1:24:31and somebody needs to do something about it. Now, I mean, that's not to

1:24:31 > 1:24:35justify the shooting and I want to be clear about that, but it does

1:24:35 > 1:24:40raise the question if this behaviour is inscresing, which -- increasing

1:24:40 > 1:24:44which it seem to be, there needs to be activity or some kind of action

1:24:44 > 1:24:47or programmes to look at it rationally, not in an emotional

1:24:47 > 1:24:54sense. I mean, you know, I have just listened to and people have their

1:24:54 > 1:24:57own views, but for somebody to say, "They are all criminal gangs and all

1:24:57 > 1:25:01they are interested in is drug dealing or whatever." The people who

1:25:01 > 1:25:04are involved in the organisation like it or lump it are the same type

1:25:04 > 1:25:09of people who were involved in the republican movement whether it is

1:25:09 > 1:25:13the provisional IRA or Sinn Fein who have moved on into political debate

1:25:13 > 1:25:16and it is similar type of people who don't agree with the position that's

1:25:16 > 1:25:19going on. You can condemn their actions and all the rest, but

1:25:19 > 1:25:24sometimes you have to be able to be rational in dealing with them and I

1:25:24 > 1:25:28agree that you know programmes, we ran a programme here in Derry for

1:25:28 > 1:25:32four years, called Time to Choose. Within that programme we have dealt

1:25:32 > 1:25:38with over 1300, 1300 cases which could potentially have gone towards

1:25:38 > 1:25:42a punishment beating or shooting and every last one was resolved and they

1:25:42 > 1:25:45were resolved without violence and resolved with helping the young

1:25:45 > 1:25:48people to move in a different direction and we called the

1:25:48 > 1:25:52programme Time to Choose. That programme is no longer funded and we

1:25:52 > 1:25:57are doing this voluntarily.You mediated between young people who

1:25:57 > 1:26:02had potentially been involved in anti-social behaviour and the

1:26:02 > 1:26:05paramilitaries, did you?Well, it is not a direct line, you call a

1:26:05 > 1:26:09meeting in the bar or a meeting in some office with a paramilitary.

1:26:09 > 1:26:12There are lines of communication which have been in existence from

1:26:12 > 1:26:14the start of the troubles and always have been. Direct lines of

1:26:14 > 1:26:17communication in Number Ten Downing Street. So, for people to assume

1:26:17 > 1:26:22that there is no longer any method of contacting people it is foolish.

1:26:22 > 1:26:26Certainly, we do have some means of contact, but those means of contact

1:26:26 > 1:26:30we try to find out what is the issue here? Why is this person being

1:26:30 > 1:26:38threatened? What is their behaviour and we do our best to resolve it. It

1:26:38 > 1:26:41means trying to convince local communities that doing is being done

1:26:41 > 1:26:48to alleviate the problem.Koulla Why do you think some people tolerate

1:26:48 > 1:26:54the attacks on young people?I think it's probably because they just feel

1:26:54 > 1:27:00so frustrated that they can't find a long-term solution and resolution to

1:27:00 > 1:27:04certain behaviours by young people and anyone who thinks that anybody

1:27:04 > 1:27:10can do anything that justifies an arbitrary response like this, a

1:27:10 > 1:27:15violent response like this is sorely mistaken. Communities who are

1:27:15 > 1:27:19affected deeply by anti-social and criminal behaviour by young people

1:27:19 > 1:27:22or anybody else have a right to be safe. That was the point I was

1:27:22 > 1:27:26trying to make about criminal justice systems, the police going in

1:27:26 > 1:27:31and keeping the communities safe. Finding a timely and speedy response

1:27:31 > 1:27:37to young people and also then going in behind them working with, there

1:27:37 > 1:27:40is fantastic community organisations across our communities in Northern

1:27:40 > 1:27:45Ireland, with a sustained plan, with a plan that's been developed by the

1:27:45 > 1:27:48community, including young people, including adults, of all ages and

1:27:48 > 1:27:52going in there on a long-term basis and saying, "Let's work on this

1:27:52 > 1:28:00together. Let's fund what needs to be doneded." The first thing that

1:28:00 > 1:28:03has to happen is communities have to have confidence in their Criminal

1:28:03 > 1:28:07Justice System. The police is there for them and I understand

1:28:07 > 1:28:10frustration when they see young people committing crime or anybody

1:28:10 > 1:28:13else committing crime and no response, but let me tell you and we

1:28:13 > 1:28:18all agree that, it's not right, it's not legitimate and it's outrageous

1:28:18 > 1:28:22the way we are responding to this sort of behaviour by young people is

1:28:22 > 1:28:26violence. It does not justify this sort of thing and it has to stop and

1:28:26 > 1:28:29these people have to be arrested and brought to book.Thank you both.

1:28:29 > 1:28:33Thank you very much. Northern Ireland's commissioner for

1:28:33 > 1:28:38children and young people and Tommy McCourt, a mediator at the Rosemount

1:28:38 > 1:28:45Centre in Derry, thank you.

1:28:45 > 1:28:46Still to come:

1:28:46 > 1:28:48As the future of Zimbabwe hangs in the balance,

1:28:48 > 1:28:50we'll bring you the latest analysis on what happens next.

1:28:50 > 1:28:52Ministers are expected to discuss the next Brexit steps

1:28:52 > 1:28:54at a mini-Cabinet meeting later.

1:28:54 > 1:28:56But how much should Britain pay to get talks moving forward?

1:28:56 > 1:29:01We'll have insight from across the political spectrum.

1:29:03 > 1:29:09Time for the latest news, here's Rebecca.

1:29:09 > 1:29:12The BBC News headlines this morning.

1:29:12 > 1:29:14The deadline set by Zimbabwe's ruling party for President Robert

1:29:14 > 1:29:20Mugabe to resign or face impeachment has expired.

1:29:20 > 1:29:23In a speech to the nation last night, Mr Mugabe made it

1:29:23 > 1:29:33clear he had no intention of stepping down.

1:29:41 > 1:29:50The formal process could begin tomorrow. The MDC may refuse to

1:29:50 > 1:29:53support the Zanu-PF motion.

1:29:54 > 1:29:56The German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier is to hold crisis talks

1:29:56 > 1:29:59with Chancellor Angela Merkel, after her failed attempt to forge

1:29:59 > 1:30:00a coalition cast doubts over her political future.

1:30:00 > 1:30:05The centrist Free Democrats pulled out of talks late last night,

1:30:05 > 1:30:08blaming irreconcilable differences with Mrs Merkel's Christian

1:30:08 > 1:30:16Democrats and the other party in the talks, the Greens.

1:30:16 > 1:30:22Police say there were no injuries to suggest "any other person

1:30:22 > 1:30:24was involved" in the death of the missing teenager Gaia Pope.

1:30:24 > 1:30:28The 19-year-old's body was found on Saturday in a field near Swanage,

1:30:28 > 1:30:2911 days after she was last seen.

1:30:29 > 1:30:31Dorset Police are treating her death as "unexplained" pending

1:30:31 > 1:30:36toxicology results.

1:30:36 > 1:30:39The convicted cult leader Charles Manson -

1:30:39 > 1:30:42who orchestrated a series of notorious murders in the 1960s -

1:30:42 > 1:30:45has died in prison in California at the age of 83.

1:30:45 > 1:30:48In 1969, members of his group killed seven people including

1:30:48 > 1:30:50the actress Sharon Tate, wife of the film director,

1:30:50 > 1:30:54Roman Polanski.

1:30:54 > 1:30:56Manson himself was initially sentenced to death, before

1:30:56 > 1:31:01the penalty was abolished in California.

1:31:01 > 1:31:05Women are being advised to sleep on their side in the last three

1:31:05 > 1:31:13months of pregnancy to avoid having a stillborn baby.

1:31:13 > 1:31:18A study of just over 1,000 women found the risk doubles if women go

1:31:18 > 1:31:20to sleep on their backs, but researchers say

1:31:20 > 1:31:22women should not worry if they are on their back

1:31:22 > 1:31:23when they wake up.

1:31:23 > 1:31:26The study authors estimate that about 130 babies' lives a year

1:31:26 > 1:31:28could be saved if this advice was followed.

1:31:28 > 1:31:33The Queen and Prince Philip are celebrating their 70th

1:31:33 > 1:31:35wedding anniversary today - the longest in the Royal

1:31:35 > 1:31:37family's history.

1:31:37 > 1:31:39The occasion is being marked with a new series of portraits,

1:31:39 > 1:31:42a set of stamps and a private party for the Royal Family

1:31:42 > 1:31:45at Windsor Castle.

1:31:45 > 1:31:47The church's bells of Westminster Abbey, where they married,

1:31:47 > 1:31:51will ring for more than three hours to mark the occasion.

1:31:51 > 1:32:00That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

1:32:00 > 1:32:01And here is some sport now.

1:32:01 > 1:32:05Former Wimbledon champion Jana Novotna has died, aged 49.

1:32:05 > 1:32:07In a statement, the Women's Tennis Association confirmed that

1:32:07 > 1:32:09Novotna died yesterday, surrounded by her family

1:32:09 > 1:32:13in her native Czech Republic, after a long battle with cancer.

1:32:13 > 1:32:16She was famously consoled by the Dutchess of Kent after losing

1:32:16 > 1:32:18the Wimbledon final in 1993, before eventually winning

1:32:18 > 1:32:28the title in 1998.

1:32:28 > 1:32:30West Brom has sacked manager Tony Pulis,

1:32:30 > 1:32:37with the club just a point above the Premier League zone.

1:32:38 > 1:32:41with the club just a point above the Premier League relegation zone.

1:32:41 > 1:32:44In a statement, the club's chairman John Williams says results have been

1:32:44 > 1:32:45"very disappointing."

1:32:45 > 1:32:47West Brom have managed two wins in their last 21

1:32:47 > 1:32:49Premier League games, and were thrashed 4-0

1:32:49 > 1:32:50by Chelsea over the weekend.

1:32:50 > 1:32:53Assistant Head Coach Gary Megson will take over until further notice.

1:32:53 > 1:32:55England's men cricketers have arrived in Brisbane ahead

1:32:55 > 1:32:57of their first Ashes Test at the Gabba on Thursday.

1:32:57 > 1:32:59Seem to be in relaxed mood, don't they?

1:32:59 > 1:33:02Boosted by the news perhaps that pace bowler Jake Ball has confirmed

1:33:02 > 1:33:04he is fit for that match, after overcoming an ankle injury.

1:33:04 > 1:33:09And golfer Tommy Fleetwood has won the Race to Dubai title

1:33:09 > 1:33:11to cap a remarkable year for the Englishman.

1:33:11 > 1:33:13In the biggest victory of his career, Fleetwood

1:33:13 > 1:33:15held off the challenge of Olympic Champion Justin Rose.

1:33:15 > 1:33:25And it means Fleetwood is now Europe's top player.

1:33:28 > 1:33:33So, there is uncertainty about Zimbabwe's future.

1:33:33 > 1:33:35Robert Mugabe has been told he had to stand

1:33:35 > 1:33:41down by 10am our time or face impeachment.

1:33:41 > 1:33:45Robert Mugabe has ruled Zimbabwe for almost 40 years now. How will he be

1:33:45 > 1:33:55remembered?

1:34:27 > 1:34:30I do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to

1:34:30 > 1:34:33Zimbabwe.

1:35:40 > 1:35:42Let's talk now to Lloyd Msipa.

1:35:42 > 1:35:43He is a friend and supporter

1:35:43 > 1:35:45of Robert Mugabe - he says he is "sad"

1:35:45 > 1:35:48about the situation and that Mugabe has been a brilliant father

1:35:48 > 1:35:58of the nation who deserves forgiveness,

1:35:58 > 1:36:03Why is he a father of the nation? Mugabe is an African icon. And what

1:36:03 > 1:36:11is happening now is sad in the sense that he is refusing to listen to his

1:36:11 > 1:36:15own people. That is potentially going to affect his legacy. He was a

1:36:15 > 1:36:22revolutionary. He had the land redistribution exercise. If you

1:36:22 > 1:36:26notice, even the military are try to negotiate with him. No heavy

1:36:26 > 1:36:29handedness from the military, because they want to see how much

1:36:29 > 1:36:35they can protect that legacy so that he goes out in a dignified way.That

1:36:35 > 1:36:40deadline has passed for him to resign, 40 minutes ago. We know he

1:36:40 > 1:36:45is a survivor. He has been in power for 37 years. And he has ruled

1:36:45 > 1:36:53Zimbabwe with an iron grip. How long can he hang on?Well, it's in his

1:36:53 > 1:37:00nature. His brain is always working. He is one of those politicians who

1:37:00 > 1:37:03has respect across Africa. But at this time, he probably understands

1:37:03 > 1:37:08that he has been rejected by his own military, he has been rejected by

1:37:08 > 1:37:12the people and his party has kicked him out. So for him, the writing is

1:37:12 > 1:37:16on the wall. What is left now is for him to step down. That is what they

1:37:16 > 1:37:20have been trying to do and it appears that either somebody out

1:37:20 > 1:37:29there is telling him to dig in, or it is not in his nature to reject

1:37:29 > 1:37:33others. My concern is that there are others telling him what to do. That

1:37:33 > 1:37:44doesn't sound like the Robert Mugabe that we know. That is my concern,

1:37:44 > 1:37:49that there are somebody pulling the strings from elsewhere.Like who?

1:37:49 > 1:37:54Somebody like the Foreign Minister, who is out there and has been

1:37:54 > 1:37:59talking to ministers in Botswana. There are others who still have

1:37:59 > 1:38:06access to him. We cannot jam mobile communications, so somebody

1:38:06 > 1:38:12somewhere is speaking to him.It could be his wife.It could be his

1:38:12 > 1:38:19wife. But these people are going to potentially cause anarchy, because

1:38:19 > 1:38:25as long as this thing draws out, the people will become impatient.You

1:38:25 > 1:38:30say he is an African icon and father of the nation. People here disagree.

1:38:30 > 1:38:38How will Robert Mugabe be remembered by the world, as a horrible man, a

1:38:38 > 1:38:42racist, and a corrupt politician?I am not saying he is a saint, but he

1:38:42 > 1:38:47is still a revolutionary. He took the country from where it was, in

1:38:47 > 1:38:51the hands of the coloniser, and gave it to his own people. After that, he

1:38:51 > 1:38:56took the land, something Mandela never did, and tried to run the

1:38:56 > 1:39:00economy through in digitisation programmes. He is dearly loved by

1:39:00 > 1:39:05his own people. But at the same time, they feel that he is now an

1:39:05 > 1:39:08old man.He is not dearly loved by all people in Zimbabwe, not those

1:39:08 > 1:39:13who were brutally oppressed by him. It will depend on what you call

1:39:13 > 1:39:18loved, but there is a lot of respect for what he stands for, the values

1:39:18 > 1:39:27of the liberation struggle, the image that he has put straight that

1:39:27 > 1:39:33are portrayed.Let me introduce some more guests. We have a member of the

1:39:33 > 1:39:39main opposition party in Zimbabwe, the Movement for Democratic Change.

1:39:39 > 1:39:45Also with us is Dr Knox Chitiyo from the international foreign affairs

1:39:45 > 1:39:51think-tank Chatham House. He is a Zimbabwean who covers Zimbabwe. We

1:39:51 > 1:39:59will talk to two people in Zimbabwe in just a moment. As an opposition

1:39:59 > 1:40:02politician, what do you think will happen next?Mugabe is going to be

1:40:02 > 1:40:08kicked out by his party. It is time for him to go.But he is still

1:40:08 > 1:40:13there.He has oppressed us for 37 years. I heard the fellow saying he

1:40:13 > 1:40:17was a father of the nation. No, he is not. The man is a dictator who

1:40:17 > 1:40:20has oppressed us and ruined the country. He has made most of us in

1:40:20 > 1:40:27the UK run away from our country. We were forced to leave our country. So

1:40:27 > 1:40:34we want him to go. And we wanted transition of government that is

1:40:34 > 1:40:38inclusive of all the political parties and civic organisations. And

1:40:38 > 1:40:41we demand from Zanu-PF that they do not sideline the opposition like

1:40:41 > 1:40:58they did before. We are also looking for a new voters' role. -- a new

1:40:58 > 1:41:03voters' law. We know there are over 1 million dead voters on it. So we

1:41:03 > 1:41:09want a new one and we want the transition government to include

1:41:09 > 1:41:10voters' role server Zanu-PF

1:41:10 > 1:41:10transition government to include voters' role server Zanu-PF.

1:41:10 > 1:41:14Stealing the elections. We also want these elections to be

1:41:14 > 1:41:16internationally monitored and they should be free and fair and there

1:41:16 > 1:41:23will not be any intimidation. We are fed up with Zanu-PF and Mugabe.What

1:41:23 > 1:41:27do you think will happen?There are a number of things happening

1:41:27 > 1:41:35simultaneously. The generals are talking to Mugabe. The party will be

1:41:35 > 1:41:38talking to him, and an impeachment process is likely to begin any time

1:41:38 > 1:41:46now. That could take time. So he may hang on for a bit longer, but as

1:41:46 > 1:41:50everyone agrees, the longer this drags out, the more volatile the

1:41:50 > 1:41:55situation gets. We have at the moment is a national convergence

1:41:55 > 1:41:58where the people and the military and the politicians agree that he

1:41:58 > 1:42:04has to go. Beyond that, if it drags on longer, the national Maksel fault

1:42:04 > 1:42:08lines in Zimbabwe could develop into a dangerous situation.Let me speak

1:42:08 > 1:42:20to two residents. Glanis, what is it like in Harare at the moment with

1:42:20 > 1:42:31Robert Mugabe still your president?

1:42:33 > 1:42:38What is happening comes from the anxiety that people have of getting

1:42:38 > 1:42:43Robert Mugabe to resign or get him impeached. I think he is not going

1:42:43 > 1:42:49to come back as our president and I don't want to see him coming back.

1:42:49 > 1:42:53Given that he is taking longer to give in to the demands by the

1:42:53 > 1:42:55military, I think people just need to go back onto the streets like we

1:42:55 > 1:43:01did on Saturday. This time, my coachman to fellow citizens who we

1:43:01 > 1:43:05are mobilising right now is, let's not leave the streets of Harare

1:43:05 > 1:43:15until Robert Mugabe goes. He needs to see the muscle of the people.Let

1:43:15 > 1:43:19me bring in Patience in Bulawayo. Glanis was appealing to people to

1:43:19 > 1:43:23get out on the streets and stay there until Robert Mugabe has gone.

1:43:23 > 1:43:30Patience, do you want the same to happen in Bulawayo?After

1:43:30 > 1:43:34experiencing Saturday, where everyone was marching for a better

1:43:34 > 1:43:37Zimbabwe, they didn't care about political parties, they didn't care

1:43:37 > 1:43:41if you were black, white, yellow or blue, I think everyone is now United

1:43:41 > 1:43:50for one cause. And the best cause for now is a better Zimbabwe. I am

1:43:50 > 1:43:54sure he saw as well that the people have spoken. You can't have

1:43:54 > 1:43:57thousands of people across the country, and it wasn't just across

1:43:57 > 1:44:03the country, it was across the world where every Zimbabwean, wherever

1:44:03 > 1:44:06they work, came together, and we were marching for him to see that

1:44:06 > 1:44:10the people have spoken and he needs to hear what they are saying.

1:44:10 > 1:44:23Ephraim Tapa joins us as well from the Movement for Democratic Change,

1:44:23 > 1:44:34an opposition party. Tell us why you were exile here?I arrived in the UK

1:44:34 > 1:44:42in 2002, having been rescued from a torture place where I had been held

1:44:42 > 1:44:58for 23 days. I experienced horrendous torture thank God I was

1:44:58 > 1:45:07rescued. Basically, the opposition movement, the trade union movement

1:45:07 > 1:45:13which belonged to, facilitate my escape from Zimbabwe. I came to the

1:45:13 > 1:45:26UK.Can you imagine going home under a new president?It would be

1:45:26 > 1:45:33fantastic to go back home and a new president. But I have got my

1:45:33 > 1:45:39apprehensions with the way things are playing out. For instance, we

1:45:39 > 1:45:47must look at all of what is happening within the context of the

1:45:47 > 1:45:53Zanu-PF factions fighting over his succession. If you look at that, you

1:45:53 > 1:46:09are also looking at the possibility of one Zanu-PF henchmen are fighting

1:46:09 > 1:46:17over Zimbabwe. These are the same people who denied the opposition

1:46:17 > 1:46:27their electoral victory in 2008. These are the same people who

1:46:27 > 1:46:33orchestrated the genocide...

1:46:33 > 1:46:40I want to bring our guests in the studio back in. You have talked

1:46:40 > 1:46:44about potentially the situation on the streets getting a bit more

1:46:44 > 1:46:49difficult. One guest earlier talked about a decent into anarchy being

1:46:49 > 1:46:57possible. What if Mugabe steps down or is forced to step down and the

1:46:57 > 1:47:03Vice-President steps in? Is that OK with you?Yes, that's, let's look at

1:47:03 > 1:47:11this in its proper context. Whilst we appreciate and value the

1:47:11 > 1:47:15opposition and every Zimbabwean united in this course to get Mugabe

1:47:15 > 1:47:23to step down. The premise of this whole exercise was to democratise

1:47:23 > 1:47:26Zanu-PF, that's how it started and that's why the military stepped in

1:47:26 > 1:47:30in the first place. Obviously it has become bigger than what it initially

1:47:30 > 1:47:34was thought to be and we are happy that the opposition are buying into

1:47:34 > 1:47:39this whole exercise because we share one common goal, we want Mugabe to

1:47:39 > 1:47:44step down and get his replacement coming in. Zanu-PF has been

1:47:44 > 1:47:48bottlenecked for so many years. What is happening now is a product of the

1:47:48 > 1:47:52succession failure. If Mugabe had dealt with the succession issues

1:47:52 > 1:47:59earlier on, we wouldn't behaving this problem. The faction at Zanu-PF

1:47:59 > 1:48:03is a result of Mugabe's entrance against.Thank you.

1:48:03 > 1:48:05-- entrance against.

1:48:08 > 1:48:10Ministers are expected to discuss the next Brexit steps at a mini

1:48:10 > 1:48:11Cabinet meeting later.

1:48:11 > 1:48:13On the agenda will be a key sticking point

1:48:13 > 1:48:16in the negotiations with Brussels, how much we should pay

1:48:16 > 1:48:26to settle our debts with the EU and unlock the stalled talks.

1:48:27 > 1:48:30Nina Schick is a political adviser and commentator from Germany

1:48:30 > 1:48:33and we can talk to Brexit-supporting founder of Wetherspoons

1:48:33 > 1:48:35pubs, Tim Martin.

1:48:35 > 1:48:39Thank you very much for coming on the programme. I'm going to start

1:48:39 > 1:48:43with you Tim Martin. Are you surprised that our list of

1:48:43 > 1:48:47liabilities, what we owe, isn't a matter of fact, but seems to be more

1:48:47 > 1:48:55a matter of opinion?Yes. I understand that the legal position

1:48:55 > 1:49:00from the Government is that we are under no obligation to pay anything.

1:49:00 > 1:49:04So it's one of those situations where in a divorce you don't have to

1:49:04 > 1:49:09pay anything, but you might do so to be nice.

1:49:09 > 1:49:12You clearly believe that legal opinion, but it doesn't make sense,

1:49:12 > 1:49:19does it? We have signed off what we owe them as a member and now that

1:49:19 > 1:49:27we're removing ourselves, we need to settle up with our leucts?Well, all

1:49:27 > 1:49:31the public knows is the legal advice that the Government has had and the

1:49:31 > 1:49:35legal advice, which hasn't con contradicted so far as I am aware,

1:49:35 > 1:49:40is that we are under no legal obligation to pay anything. We might

1:49:40 > 1:49:45decide to do so anyway if we feel there is some sort of moral

1:49:45 > 1:49:51obligation, but that's a different matter really.OK. You spend a lot

1:49:51 > 1:49:56of time talking to figures in Brussels. What do the Europeans

1:49:56 > 1:49:59think about this sticking point over the bill?Well, it's quite clear.

1:49:59 > 1:50:03For them this is really a legal issue, will the UK honour its

1:50:03 > 1:50:07commitments or not? We won't see any progress in the talks, the next

1:50:07 > 1:50:11crunch point is in December unless the UK decides to move and despite

1:50:11 > 1:50:15the legal advice that Mr Martin just quoted, I mean realistically, the

1:50:15 > 1:50:19Government has conceded that it will have to pay. So it's not contesting

1:50:19 > 1:50:24the principle that it will have to pay something, the only thing that

1:50:24 > 1:50:28it is contesting is how big the figure should be? Theresa May made a

1:50:28 > 1:50:32suggestion of 20 billion and the EU said well, that actually doesn't

1:50:32 > 1:50:36cover your financial liabilities so the kind of meeting, the Brexit

1:50:36 > 1:50:40Cabinet meeting today, we think, they are going to up the offer to 40

1:50:40 > 1:50:43billion to see if that moves talks forward. So this idea that the UK is

1:50:43 > 1:50:48not going to pay anything is not the Government's position and it's not

1:50:48 > 1:50:51the position of Brexit supporting Cabinet Ministers either.

1:50:51 > 1:50:55Are you surprised that there isn't a list of what Britain is supposed to

1:50:55 > 1:50:59pay up because of what we have said we will pay as a member?There is a

1:50:59 > 1:51:03list and the commission has, of course, revealed what it contests in

1:51:03 > 1:51:09the Brexit bill and the UK is going through it line by line and trying

1:51:09 > 1:51:14to diminish the overall sum and the realisation is that the real issue

1:51:14 > 1:51:19here is not the question of whether or not the UK will pay, because even

1:51:19 > 1:51:22though the sums sound large, 60 billion, 100 billion, in the grand

1:51:22 > 1:51:25scheme of things, it is not that much for the Government to pay

1:51:25 > 1:51:28because if there is no deal the Government would have a bigger

1:51:28 > 1:51:33financial hit than the 60 billion, 20 billion, 40 billion. It's one

1:51:33 > 1:51:39much more to do with domestic optics because, of course, during the

1:51:39 > 1:51:43campaign nobody said there would be a Brexit bill or we would be having

1:51:43 > 1:51:48to pay the EU to leave. So this is a question of how can you portray this

1:51:48 > 1:51:52at home without incensing the public really?Tim Martin you are a

1:51:52 > 1:51:54successful businessman. You negotiated lots of times and

1:51:54 > 1:51:57successfully lots of times. What would you advice to get the talks

1:51:57 > 1:52:07going?I'd say that we are under no legal obligation to pay any money in

1:52:07 > 1:52:10spite of what you have just heard. It didn't amount to a legal

1:52:10 > 1:52:15obligation. It is horse trading by the EU. I would say we are perfectly

1:52:15 > 1:52:19happy to trade on World Trade Organisation rules, contrary to the

1:52:19 > 1:52:26spin that will reduce food prices, we will save £200 million per week

1:52:26 > 1:52:29so the public knows unlike the comments from your guest now that

1:52:29 > 1:52:33that is one heck of a lot of money. So I would say we want to be friends

1:52:33 > 1:52:38with Europe. We want to trade with Europe. We're not going to pay huge

1:52:38 > 1:52:43sums of money and we're quite happy to trade on World Trade Organisation

1:52:43 > 1:52:50rules as we do with America, with China, with India, etcetera.

1:52:50 > 1:52:54OK. We will leave it there, thank you. Thank you very much both of

1:52:54 > 1:52:56you.

1:52:56 > 1:52:58The American cult-leader Charles Manson who masterminded

1:52:58 > 1:53:01a killing spree in California in 1969 has died in

1:53:01 > 1:53:04prison at the age of 83.

1:53:49 > 1:53:56Joining me is Cheish Merryweather from the website CrimeViral.com.

1:53:56 > 1:54:00Tell us why this, the way he masterminded the killings has

1:54:00 > 1:54:07fascinated people for decades? I think it's definitely still that

1:54:07 > 1:54:11fas narks with Charles Manson, if you were to take one face of evil it

1:54:11 > 1:54:14would be Charles Manson's face would you see. He didn't commit any of the

1:54:14 > 1:54:19murders, he just instructed young, impressible, very intelligent, very

1:54:19 > 1:54:22outgoing adults to go and commit the worst crimes possible and I think it

1:54:22 > 1:54:26still haunts still to this day a lot of people.

1:54:26 > 1:54:31How did you manage to manipulate those well educated people?Over the

1:54:31 > 1:54:35time it was out in the outskirts in California, they were very young

1:54:35 > 1:54:43followers and he took them, he band clerks and calendars and watchers,

1:54:43 > 1:54:48they were following under net his rule and he instructed them to go to

1:54:48 > 1:54:52the house to carry out the crimes in his words in the most gruesome way

1:54:52 > 1:55:01that they could do so.Most shocking of all perhaps the killing of Susan

1:55:01 > 1:55:05Tate who was eight-and-a-half months pregnant?Just two weeks away from

1:55:05 > 1:55:09giving birth and it is the home invasion aspect. Especially as it

1:55:09 > 1:55:15was on the end of the decade of free love, part of the hippie culture had

1:55:15 > 1:55:21been born, the summer 1967, two years later, it was definitely

1:55:21 > 1:55:33Sharon Tate's murder, the wife of Roman Polanski the depravity of it

1:55:33 > 1:55:38was barbaric.And what did the followers think of Charles Manson?

1:55:38 > 1:55:44Why were they willing to follow him to such gruesome?They looked up to

1:55:44 > 1:55:47him as very god-like. He wasn't domineering. He wasn't threatening

1:55:47 > 1:55:56in anyway. Charles Manson himself, he is 5'3" inches, so he wasn't a

1:55:56 > 1:55:59very overpowering figure, but certainly especially in a lot of his

1:55:59 > 1:56:03interviews which you can find online, he has that voice and he can

1:56:03 > 1:56:07talk and he has got that sort of charisma that what he says goes. He

1:56:07 > 1:56:13has a lot of commentaries about society and how society is wrong and

1:56:13 > 1:56:19then especially if you were to read the book Healther Scelter. They were

1:56:19 > 1:56:23young impressionable adults and they believed anything he said and they

1:56:23 > 1:56:28left their families behind and they were under his spell so to speak.

1:56:28 > 1:56:38Thank you very much.

1:56:41 > 1:56:49The Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh celebrate their 70th wedding

1:56:49 > 1:56:55anniversary. Alun and Delphine explained what it takes to have a

1:56:55 > 1:57:02good and happy marriage.She gives and I take and we manage fine!

1:57:02 > 1:57:06LAUGHTER That's the sum of it.Delphine, how

1:57:06 > 1:57:13would you describe what it is like being married for 70 years?

1:57:13 > 1:57:24I don't know. It's, we've just got on so well. We don't know the time

1:57:24 > 1:57:33passes even. We're good friends. We have laughs together. And it's just

1:57:33 > 1:57:38normal to us that we should be together.Do you still love each

1:57:38 > 1:57:44other? Sorry?

1:57:44 > 1:57:51How much do you still love each other?Oh, very much.Yes.Very

1:57:51 > 1:57:56much, yes. Alun?

1:57:56 > 1:58:04Yes?How much do you love Delphine? Very. Of course, I do. More than I

1:58:04 > 1:58:13ever did.Alun and Delphine Richards who celebrated their platinum

1:58:13 > 1:58:15wedding anniversary this year.

1:58:15 > 1:58:27On the programme tomorrow - three remarkable survivors

1:58:27 > 1:58:27of genocide from different attrocities - join forces

1:58:27 > 1:58:27to stand up to extremism.

1:58:32 > 1:58:36You can't tell anybody today what it was like.