28/11/2017

0:00:07 > 0:00:10Hello, it's Tuesday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Chloe Tilley

0:00:10 > 0:00:13in for Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.

0:00:13 > 0:00:16Our top story today - The UK has some of the highest

0:00:16 > 0:00:19levels of stillbirth and early deaths among small babies

0:00:19 > 0:00:21in western Europe - and now the health service

0:00:21 > 0:00:29in England is going to be asked to take some action

0:00:29 > 0:00:32When I talked to parents whose heart has been broken by something that

0:00:32 > 0:00:37has gone wrong in those very small numbers of cases, what they say is

0:00:37 > 0:00:41it's not about the money, they just want to know that the NHS has

0:00:41 > 0:00:44learned from what went wrong.

0:00:44 > 0:00:46We'll get reaction from parents who've experienced problems

0:00:46 > 0:00:48with their childs birth.

0:00:48 > 0:00:51Also on the programme - taking the law into their own hands

0:00:51 > 0:00:53or encouraging people to stand up for their own rights?

0:00:53 > 0:00:55The housing rights activists encouraging direct action

0:00:55 > 0:00:59against bad landlords who let people rent homes like this

0:00:59 > 0:01:16Boiler, electric, I dread to think what it's like. And if you are a

0:01:16 > 0:01:17landlord or a private renter

0:01:17 > 0:01:18landlord or

0:01:18 > 0:01:21if you're a landlord or private renter - really keen

0:01:21 > 0:01:31to hear your own experiences.

0:01:45 > 0:01:48We've seen the ring, we've heard the love story...standby

0:01:48 > 0:01:50for a prolonged period of Harry and Meghan madness

0:01:50 > 0:01:52Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11.

0:01:52 > 0:01:53Latest breaking news and developing stories throughout the morning -

0:01:59 > 0:02:01of the Chennai Six.

0:02:01 > 0:02:04And in the last few hours they have been released...we'll

0:02:04 > 0:02:05get reaction shortly.

0:02:05 > 0:02:08Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning -

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0:02:18 > 0:02:19Our top story today.

0:02:19 > 0:02:22New measures are to be introduced to reduce the number of deaths

0:02:22 > 0:02:24and serious injuries during childbirth in England.

0:02:24 > 0:02:27For the first time, parents of stillborn babies are to be

0:02:27 > 0:02:29routinely offered an independent investigation into what went wrong.

0:02:29 > 0:02:31The UK has already reduced the mortality rate for babies

0:02:31 > 0:02:33but still lags behind many other European countries.

0:02:33 > 0:02:38Here's our Health Correspondent, Dominic Hughes.

0:02:41 > 0:02:44Losing twins during pregnancy, and then having baby

0:02:44 > 0:02:48Hugo very prematurely, means Rachel understands

0:02:48 > 0:02:53all too well the challenges childbirth can present.

0:02:54 > 0:02:57Her experience has taught her that parents and medical staff need to be

0:02:57 > 0:03:03more aware of when things could go wrong.

0:03:03 > 0:03:06I think it's education of pregnant women to never be afraid to ask

0:03:06 > 0:03:08questions and raise concerns.

0:03:08 > 0:03:10And it's also the medical establishment in

0:03:10 > 0:03:12encouraging them to do so.

0:03:12 > 0:03:15Now, the Health Secretary in England is announcing rather

0:03:15 > 0:03:18than hospitals carrying out their own investigations

0:03:18 > 0:03:23when things go wrong an independent review will be carried out instead.

0:03:23 > 0:03:26When I talk to parents whose heart has been broken by something that

0:03:26 > 0:03:29has gone wrong in those very small numbers of cases, what they say

0:03:29 > 0:03:33is it's not about the money, they just want to know that the NHS

0:03:33 > 0:03:36has learned from what went wrong so that that same mistakes isn't

0:03:36 > 0:03:41ever going to happen again.

0:03:41 > 0:03:44The UK lags behind many other European countries when it comes

0:03:44 > 0:03:46to preventing baby deaths and premature births.

0:03:46 > 0:03:50There are around nine stillborn babies every day.

0:03:50 > 0:03:53Roughly 50 women still die in England each year from issues

0:03:53 > 0:03:56related to pregnancy.

0:03:56 > 0:04:00And around 50,000 babies are born prematurely.

0:04:01 > 0:04:03Progress is being made, but there are concerns

0:04:03 > 0:04:07that difficult lessons are not being learned.

0:04:17 > 0:04:19Rachel is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

0:04:19 > 0:04:21of the rest of the days news.

0:04:21 > 0:04:23Details of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle's wedding

0:04:23 > 0:04:24are expected to be announced today.

0:04:24 > 0:04:26The Archbishop of Canterbury has indicated the couple

0:04:26 > 0:04:28will have a church wedding, saying the pair had "chosen

0:04:28 > 0:04:31to make their vows to God" in a religious ceremony.

0:04:31 > 0:04:36The couple announced their engagement yesterday.

0:04:36 > 0:04:39The fact that I fell in love with Meghan so incredibly quickly,

0:04:39 > 0:04:42was confirmation to me that all the stars were aligned,

0:04:42 > 0:04:46everything was perfect.

0:04:46 > 0:04:49This beautiful woman tripped and fell into my life,

0:04:49 > 0:04:56I fell into her life.

0:04:56 > 0:05:00And the fact that she will be unbelievably good at the job part

0:05:00 > 0:05:03of it as well is obviously a huge relief to me, because she will be

0:05:03 > 0:05:06able to deal with everything else that comes with it.

0:05:06 > 0:05:09The only airport on the Indonesian island of Bali has been closed

0:05:09 > 0:05:13for a second day amid concerns of a volcanic eruption.

0:05:13 > 0:05:16Massive plumes of smoke and ash have been spewing out of Mount Agung

0:05:16 > 0:05:19over the past few days.

0:05:19 > 0:05:27Rebecca Henschke sent this report from near the volcano.

0:05:27 > 0:05:32mantle volcano is sending out thick clouds of ash, smoke and gas behind

0:05:32 > 0:05:42me with increasing intensity. -- Mount Agung. Last night you could

0:05:42 > 0:05:49see a red low in the crater which we are told means the Labour and molten

0:05:49 > 0:05:57rock has reached the summit. People have been told to get out of the

0:05:57 > 0:06:02area, a 12 kilometre radius around the volcano, table still staying in

0:06:02 > 0:06:05their homes, officials today are going to move in and forcibly take

0:06:05 > 0:06:11things out of the danger zone. At the moment there are farmers down

0:06:11 > 0:06:15below in the rice paddies and the Valley people are going about their

0:06:15 > 0:06:20life. They view this mountain as a sacred site but now they are

0:06:20 > 0:06:24watching it very colourfully and are on high alert for an imminent

0:06:24 > 0:06:28eruption.

0:06:28 > 0:06:31Six British men have been released from an Indian prison four years

0:06:31 > 0:06:33after they were arrested and charged with smuggling weapons

0:06:33 > 0:06:34into the country.

0:06:34 > 0:06:37The men had been convicted of the charges in 2016 and sentenced

0:06:37 > 0:06:41to five years in prison.

0:06:41 > 0:06:43But yesterday, an Indian court threw out all charges

0:06:43 > 0:06:46and ordered their release.

0:06:46 > 0:06:48When it comes to aspiration and opportunity England is becoming

0:06:48 > 0:06:52increasingly divided according to a new report.

0:06:52 > 0:06:55The Social Mobility Commission says London and the south-east

0:06:55 > 0:06:57are still the best place for disadvantaged children

0:06:57 > 0:06:59to progress, whilst some rural and coastal areas

0:06:59 > 0:07:02are frequently left behind.

0:07:02 > 0:07:11Adina Campbell reports.

0:07:11 > 0:07:16It all started with me wanting to do something.More than a third of

0:07:16 > 0:07:19children here in Nottingham claim school meals and overall young

0:07:19 > 0:07:23people face some of the biggest barriers to succeeding in life

0:07:23 > 0:07:26according to the social mobility commission. At the school is working

0:07:26 > 0:07:33hard to change that.It makes me so proud to have this medal.We have

0:07:33 > 0:07:36learning mentors in school, families have support with attendance,

0:07:36 > 0:07:41reading at home, it all comes together to give the children a

0:07:41 > 0:07:43springboard into the rest of the curriculum.In its latest report the

0:07:43 > 0:07:50commission says prospects for young people vary in almost all parts of

0:07:50 > 0:07:54the UK. It says two thirds of the areas in which young people have the

0:07:54 > 0:07:58best prospects of success are now in London while many rural, coastal and

0:07:58 > 0:08:03former industrial areas are being left further behind. With the

0:08:03 > 0:08:09Midlands the worst performing region in England. It's not just children

0:08:09 > 0:08:12from poor backgrounds here in the East Midlands who may face some

0:08:12 > 0:08:17challenges. Only a fifth of those in work have senior or professional

0:08:17 > 0:08:23jobs.You're not really pushed in, I wouldn't say colleges are that good,

0:08:23 > 0:08:28I didn't feel they encourage me. Around here not many people want to

0:08:28 > 0:08:32give opportunities to people, if you are already in the job you can

0:08:32 > 0:08:35progress higher but if you are not and haven't got any background,

0:08:35 > 0:08:40people are like, sorry.Relax your shoulders... The government says it

0:08:40 > 0:08:45is making progress and social mobility with one pointed million

0:08:45 > 0:08:50more children in good or outstanding schools than 2010 and the National

0:08:50 > 0:08:55living wage helping to boost salaries.

0:08:55 > 0:08:57The Pope will meet the de-facto Myanmar leader,

0:08:57 > 0:09:00Aung San Suu Kyi, later - on the second day of his

0:09:00 > 0:09:01visit to the country.

0:09:01 > 0:09:03Last night the former Nobel Peace Prize winner

0:09:03 > 0:09:05was stripped of the Freedom of Oxford because of

0:09:05 > 0:09:08what councillors called her inaction in the face of the oppression

0:09:08 > 0:09:10of Rohingya Muslims, many of whom have fled to Bangladesh.

0:09:10 > 0:09:12Pope Francis is expected to highlight the plight

0:09:12 > 0:09:18of the persecuted minority group later today.

0:09:18 > 0:09:20The government has handed over its analysis of some

0:09:20 > 0:09:23of the economic impacts of Brexit - but the reports are

0:09:23 > 0:09:26missing some details.

0:09:26 > 0:09:28The Brexit Secretary David Davis says the documents have been

0:09:28 > 0:09:33redacted to leave out commercially sensitive market information.

0:09:33 > 0:09:40But Labour are insisting the public should be given all the detail.

0:09:40 > 0:09:42The Bank of England has published its fourth

0:09:42 > 0:09:44annual stress test - its assessment of how UK financial

0:09:44 > 0:09:46institutions would deal with a sharp downturn.

0:09:46 > 0:09:53It's concluded that Britain's banks could cope with what it called

0:09:53 > 0:09:55a 'disorderly Brexit.' It's also the first time since the tests

0:09:55 > 0:09:58were introduced that none of the country's major lenders have

0:09:58 > 0:10:04been assessed as requiring extra capital.

0:10:04 > 0:10:11This year's test results show the banking system would be well placed

0:10:11 > 0:10:15to provide credit to households and businesses even during simultaneous

0:10:15 > 0:10:20deep recessions in the UK and the doable economy is, large falls in

0:10:20 > 0:10:24asset prices and a very large stressed misconduct cost.

0:10:24 > 0:10:26Newly declassified MI5 files have revealed that John Profumo,

0:10:26 > 0:10:29the former Conservative Minister of War, had a long

0:10:29 > 0:10:32affair with a Nazi spy.

0:10:32 > 0:10:35The politician was forced to resign in 1963 after he was found

0:10:35 > 0:10:37to have shared a mistress - Christine Keeler -

0:10:37 > 0:10:42with a Soviet spy in London.

0:10:43 > 0:10:46Cases of scarlet fever have reached a fifty year high in England.

0:10:46 > 0:10:47Newly published research shows there were over nineteen-thousand

0:10:47 > 0:10:50cases of the illness reported last year, mostly in schools

0:10:50 > 0:10:56and nurseries, although it's not clear what's behind the increase.

0:10:58 > 0:11:01That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30.

0:11:13 > 0:11:18In the next human is, we would be talking about a union planning

0:11:18 > 0:11:23direct action against ad landlords. If you are a private renter or a

0:11:23 > 0:11:26landlord I would love you to watch the report and tell us what you

0:11:26 > 0:11:27think.

0:11:27 > 0:11:30Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

0:11:30 > 0:11:33use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and If you text, you will be charged

0:11:33 > 0:11:34at the standard network rate.

0:11:34 > 0:11:37Let's get some sport. Jessica Crichton is here.

0:11:37 > 0:11:42It's that time of year again, sports personality, talk us through the

0:11:42 > 0:11:48candidates.Good morning. Exciting. I can reveal who was on the list,

0:11:48 > 0:11:54the nominees from last night. We will show you them now. Now and the

0:11:54 > 0:11:5917th of December, these 12 British sports legends will be focused on

0:11:59 > 0:12:04one thing. Winning the public vote for this prestigious award. You are

0:12:04 > 0:12:09seeing the nominees in alphabetical order, BBC takes this seriously, not

0:12:09 > 0:12:14to give Njie prominence to any political -- sporting candidate.

0:12:14 > 0:12:18Similar to the elections, actually. It will be held in the Liverpool

0:12:18 > 0:12:24Arena. The public will vote for their favoured by phone and online

0:12:24 > 0:12:29during the live show. In addition to the main prize there will be awards

0:12:29 > 0:12:32like coach of the year. Team of the year. Let's look at those

0:12:32 > 0:12:40candidates. Starting with Elise Christie from Scotland. The first

0:12:40 > 0:12:44European woman to win the 1000 metre and 15,000 meter and overall titles

0:12:44 > 0:12:52at the World Championships. What a year it's been for Sir Mo Farah,

0:12:52 > 0:12:56retiring from the track in style after winning gold and silver at the

0:12:56 > 0:13:00World Championships in London in the summer. Chris Froome won his fourth

0:13:00 > 0:13:08Tour de France title this year and Lewis Hamilton becoming the most

0:13:08 > 0:13:11successful British Formula One driver last month, four world titles

0:13:11 > 0:13:17to his name. Anthony Joshua... The world heavyweight title win against

0:13:17 > 0:13:23Wladimir Klitschko. Really made his name this year. What a fight.

0:13:23 > 0:13:28Tottenham striker Harry Kane on the list, fantastic year, winning the

0:13:28 > 0:13:33Premier League's Golden Boot. British tennis represented by

0:13:33 > 0:13:36Johanna Konta, lost to Venus Williams in the Wimbledon semifinal

0:13:36 > 0:13:41last summer. He might not have lost his way to the strictly glitter ball

0:13:41 > 0:13:46but Jonnie Peacock is a contender after winning another 100 meter gold

0:13:46 > 0:13:51at the World Championships in July. Adam Peaty one two Bristol gold

0:13:51 > 0:13:57medals at the World Championships, smashing his own world record and

0:13:57 > 0:14:00Jonathan Ray from Northern Ireland made motorbike history in September

0:14:00 > 0:14:04becoming the first rider to win three successive world Superbike

0:14:04 > 0:14:11titles. What an amazing year for England's winning cricketers --

0:14:11 > 0:14:16women cricketers. And yet Shrubsole part of the whole World Cup winning

0:14:16 > 0:14:22team. Bianca walked and made up for disappointment in real in the best

0:14:22 > 0:14:26possible way, retaining her World Championship title. Incredible list.

0:14:26 > 0:14:33No Andy Murray on the list this year. Victorious last time around.

0:14:33 > 0:14:37There will be a new name on the trophy. Pictures from last year,

0:14:37 > 0:14:42Andy Murray alongside the former British boxer heavyweight champion

0:14:42 > 0:14:45Lennox Lewis who presented him with the award. He couldn't make the

0:14:45 > 0:14:51ceremony last year, out in Miami resting up after the end of the

0:14:51 > 0:14:56tennis season. No Andy Murray on the list this year, there will be a new

0:14:56 > 0:15:00name on the trophy, the ceremony live in Liverpool on the 17th of

0:15:00 > 0:15:04December.Can't wait. Turn off, Jess. He has to give someone else a

0:15:04 > 0:15:08chance. -- fair enough.

0:15:08 > 0:15:10A group of housing activists is targeting landlords

0:15:10 > 0:15:12across the UK, who it says are exploiting vulnerable

0:15:12 > 0:15:13people with poor housing.

0:15:13 > 0:15:15Acorn - is a union for tenants who rent privately.

0:15:15 > 0:15:19They say enough is enough and that renters should no longer have to put

0:15:19 > 0:15:20up with poor sub standard housing and treatment.

0:15:20 > 0:15:23They use direct action to tackle what they see as bad landlords.

0:15:23 > 0:15:26But are they encouraging people to stand up for their rights or taking

0:15:26 > 0:15:28the law into its own hands?

0:15:28 > 0:15:32Andy Smythe went to meet them.

0:15:33 > 0:15:39Across the country, private tenants are fighting back.

0:15:39 > 0:15:41The first couple of times I woke up here, I thought,

0:15:41 > 0:15:42have I (BLEEP) the bed?

0:15:42 > 0:15:44That's how damp it is in here.

0:15:44 > 0:15:48I don't feel safe at all. I feel terrified.

0:15:48 > 0:15:53I don't even want to come home any more.

0:15:53 > 0:15:57They're building an army to wage war on bad landlords.

0:15:57 > 0:16:00Are you kind of vigilantes?

0:16:00 > 0:16:03According to some landlords, yes, we are.

0:16:03 > 0:16:05Turn your thing off, OK?

0:16:05 > 0:16:10They're planning a conquest of our cities.

0:16:10 > 0:16:12Thank you very much. What's your name?

0:16:12 > 0:16:18I suppose we kind of are selling something.

0:16:18 > 0:16:19We're selling them a union.

0:16:19 > 0:16:20Sorry to bother you.

0:16:20 > 0:16:22To give power to the people they said felt powerless.

0:16:22 > 0:16:24These landlords are doing whatever they want.

0:16:24 > 0:16:26They think they're above the law.

0:16:26 > 0:16:28And sometimes, yes, people need to stand up to them and say,

0:16:28 > 0:16:32no, this is not right.

0:16:32 > 0:16:34They're Acorn, a new union set up to encourage private tenants

0:16:34 > 0:16:37to stand up for their rights.

0:16:37 > 0:16:39Do you want to speak to the police?

0:16:39 > 0:16:47Not particularly, no.

0:16:54 > 0:16:57We've come to meet this guy, Callum Hay.

0:16:57 > 0:16:59He's been renting a flat from the same landlord

0:16:59 > 0:17:02for more than two years.

0:17:02 > 0:17:04He says he's gone weeks sometimes without any

0:17:04 > 0:17:08electricity, and no front door.

0:17:08 > 0:17:10But when we arrive, the police are here.

0:17:10 > 0:17:16So we go back later.

0:17:16 > 0:17:19Yeah, I'm at the point where I don't trust anybody.

0:17:19 > 0:17:21The rent here's just over £500 a month including

0:17:21 > 0:17:26electricity and water.

0:17:26 > 0:17:32Today, Callum says is he's had an actual fight with his landlord.

0:17:32 > 0:17:34It's not really showing much bruising yet, but that is definitely

0:17:34 > 0:17:36going to bruise, because it's sore.

0:17:36 > 0:17:38You can see it bruising down there.

0:17:38 > 0:17:39The landlord's account?

0:17:39 > 0:17:40There was no fight.

0:17:40 > 0:17:42Callum attacked him.

0:17:42 > 0:17:44And apparently, according to the police, he's

0:17:44 > 0:17:47saying I hurt his finger.

0:17:47 > 0:17:52Was that when he was punching me?

0:17:52 > 0:17:53Fuming.

0:17:53 > 0:17:55Scared.

0:17:55 > 0:17:56Six.

0:18:00 > 0:18:01Sick.

0:18:01 > 0:18:04Because I've now got the worry that he might come back.

0:18:04 > 0:18:07I've got the worry that he might attempt to hurt me

0:18:07 > 0:18:07while Callum is working.

0:18:07 > 0:18:09And I don't feel safe at all.

0:18:09 > 0:18:12I feel terrified.

0:18:12 > 0:18:16I don't even want to come home any more.

0:18:16 > 0:18:20I'd rather stay at work and sleep there.

0:18:20 > 0:18:26Callum and Zena live here with their two dogs and a lot

0:18:26 > 0:18:27of flies.

0:18:27 > 0:18:29Callum says because of the former takeaway

0:18:29 > 0:18:32people next door throwing rotting carcasses into the yard.

0:18:32 > 0:18:35They've now stopped paying any rent because they say they weren't

0:18:35 > 0:18:36even getting the basics.

0:18:36 > 0:18:37Boiler, electric, front door.

0:18:37 > 0:18:38You had no front door?

0:18:38 > 0:18:41The three basics.

0:18:41 > 0:18:44I've never had no front door since I've been here.

0:18:44 > 0:18:46Although the electrician's found that problem, I dread to think

0:18:46 > 0:18:48what it's like in there.

0:18:48 > 0:18:55I mean, the mould situation is probably not good for us.

0:18:55 > 0:18:59And what is the mould situation?

0:18:59 > 0:19:02I mean, in here it's not so much mould, it's just obvious damp.

0:19:02 > 0:19:05But in the bedroom...

0:19:05 > 0:19:09You're not likely to be able to see it without a light.

0:19:09 > 0:19:11When did the electric go?

0:19:11 > 0:19:14May be two weeks after we moved in.

0:19:14 > 0:19:15That's what constitutes our secure door.

0:19:15 > 0:19:17That's as good as it gets.

0:19:17 > 0:19:24That's the lovely black mould.

0:19:24 > 0:19:27And if you look on the ceiling, where the mould is is where

0:19:27 > 0:19:29the water's pooling but not sitting on the joists.

0:19:29 > 0:19:31This is probably the worst bit here.

0:19:31 > 0:19:33The landlord told us he wants to do the repairs,

0:19:33 > 0:19:40but workmen are refusing to until Callum cleans up.

0:19:40 > 0:19:42We only really started standing up to him over the boiler leaking,

0:19:42 > 0:19:48and that was after about a year.

0:19:48 > 0:19:51And then when the electric went, because he hadn't paid the bill

0:19:51 > 0:19:54for the two years we've been here, like that was when we've really

0:19:54 > 0:19:57started to lay into him, that was when we got hold of Acorn.

0:19:57 > 0:20:04This is one of the founders of Acorn.

0:20:04 > 0:20:08We felt that there was a need for a community organisation that

0:20:08 > 0:20:10would represent local people on political issues without being

0:20:10 > 0:20:14tied to political parties.

0:20:14 > 0:20:16It's got members like a workers' union, but Acorn fights

0:20:16 > 0:20:17for private tenants' rights.

0:20:17 > 0:20:19They'll protest.

0:20:19 > 0:20:23They'll go round landlords' houses.

0:20:23 > 0:20:25There'll publicly shame them because of what they feel

0:20:25 > 0:20:29is a housing crisis.

0:20:29 > 0:20:34Rising rents, poor conditions, evictions, this kind of thing.

0:20:34 > 0:20:37But Bristol has seen certainly very steep rent increases over the past

0:20:37 > 0:20:38three or four years.

0:20:38 > 0:20:40In some areas of Bristol, we saw increases of nearly

0:20:40 > 0:20:4430% in a single year.

0:20:44 > 0:20:46But other cities have different problems.

0:20:46 > 0:20:50So Acorn grew.

0:20:57 > 0:21:00So we're just heading over to Darnall, which is a part

0:21:00 > 0:21:04of the city with quite a lot of renters in it.

0:21:04 > 0:21:07The kind of issues that we hear about are mainly things

0:21:07 > 0:21:11like illegal evictions, things like a lot of problems

0:21:11 > 0:21:14with damp, broken boilers, rats, and a lot of landlords that are not

0:21:14 > 0:21:18doing their job to fix those issues.

0:21:18 > 0:21:21Sheffield's got a high proportion of rental properties and students.

0:21:21 > 0:21:25Fertile ground for housing problems.

0:21:25 > 0:21:28A battle ground for housing activists.

0:21:28 > 0:21:31The problem with the housing crisis is that a lot of it's quite hidden,

0:21:31 > 0:21:33but sometimes just walking around places like this,

0:21:33 > 0:21:34it's pretty obvious.

0:21:34 > 0:21:36So, yeah, up there, massive leak.

0:21:36 > 0:21:38Not only is that destroying the home, that's probably causing

0:21:38 > 0:21:44like a massive damp issue inside the house.

0:21:44 > 0:21:46Acorn is growing fast here as a result of a lot

0:21:46 > 0:21:52of old school canvassing.

0:21:52 > 0:21:53Right, I'll leave you to it.

0:21:53 > 0:21:55What's your house like the moment?

0:21:55 > 0:21:58People have mentioned things like the landlord's not

0:21:58 > 0:22:01doing repairs on time, or things like just the cost of rent

0:22:01 > 0:22:03is just like going up every year.

0:22:03 > 0:22:04I haven't got central heating.

0:22:04 > 0:22:09You haven't got central heating?

0:22:09 > 0:22:10No.

0:22:10 > 0:22:11Wow.

0:22:11 > 0:22:13If you had a problem, what would you do?

0:22:13 > 0:22:14And they are effective.

0:22:14 > 0:22:16In the summer, this many turned up to barricade

0:22:16 > 0:22:17a vulnerable woman's house.

0:22:17 > 0:22:19They stopped her being evicted.

0:22:19 > 0:22:23It is a question of power, really.

0:22:23 > 0:22:26As long as there's a group of people that own the houses and a group

0:22:26 > 0:22:29of people that rent from them, there's always going to be

0:22:29 > 0:22:31an imbalance of power there.

0:22:31 > 0:22:33Another person who has been helped is Sarah.

0:22:33 > 0:22:35She didn't want to give us her surname.

0:22:35 > 0:22:37She said she had unwanted sexual advances from the landlord,

0:22:37 > 0:22:43who lived in the same house.

0:22:43 > 0:22:45Touching, groping.

0:22:45 > 0:22:48He'd grope my ass, he brushed across my breasts, he tried

0:22:48 > 0:22:49to kiss me a few times.

0:22:49 > 0:22:51That's more than enough.

0:22:51 > 0:22:52Sarah's landlord denied the claims.

0:22:52 > 0:22:55Absolutely shockingly disgusting, I just did not want to be near him.

0:22:55 > 0:22:56Didn't want to be in the house.

0:22:56 > 0:23:00Didn't want to be anywhere near him, I just wanted to get out,

0:23:00 > 0:23:03and it just got worse and worse, and I said I was completely

0:23:03 > 0:23:05uncomfortable with the situation and want him to back off

0:23:05 > 0:23:06and leave me alone.

0:23:06 > 0:23:09So he changed my six month contract to a month contract.

0:23:09 > 0:23:11And then from that, tried to instantly evict me.

0:23:11 > 0:23:12He can't.

0:23:12 > 0:23:13It's illegal to instantly evict you.

0:23:13 > 0:23:15It is illegal to instantly evict you.

0:23:15 > 0:23:18He's got a duty of care, not only to you, but to your belongings.

0:23:18 > 0:23:23The landlord was threatening to kick her out simply

0:23:23 > 0:23:26because he did not got anywhere with her, with some

0:23:26 > 0:23:30of his sexual advances.

0:23:30 > 0:23:34She was probably about 12 hours away from being homeless.

0:23:34 > 0:23:37So not only did we take action to make sure the landlord didn't

0:23:37 > 0:23:40kick her and her stuff out on the street, we also provided some

0:23:40 > 0:23:42solidarity to support her where she had to go back

0:23:42 > 0:23:44into her house to get her stuff.

0:23:44 > 0:23:47People like that, they are bullying landlords, and we are just not

0:23:47 > 0:23:52going to take any more.

0:23:54 > 0:23:58What was life like as a renting tenant?

0:23:58 > 0:24:02Everything is a pain in the ass.

0:24:02 > 0:24:07And you never, you're never particularly secure.

0:24:07 > 0:24:09Well, you're not, because you've not got a front door.

0:24:09 > 0:24:10No.

0:24:10 > 0:24:13His landlord says the door's now fixed, but Callum's worst period

0:24:13 > 0:24:19was when his electricity was completely cut off.

0:24:19 > 0:24:22My partner then shouted at him that if he doesn't get

0:24:22 > 0:24:26the electric put back on, there's going to be held to pay,

0:24:26 > 0:24:29and then he turned round and said, I hope you die in here.

0:24:29 > 0:24:33The landlord denies saying that.

0:24:33 > 0:24:35Bristol City Council gave the landlord 28

0:24:35 > 0:24:37days to pay his bill, but Acorn went round his house

0:24:37 > 0:24:40to demand he did it sooner.

0:24:40 > 0:24:43We said that we would keep coming back until it was resolved.

0:24:43 > 0:24:45That was on a Friday, and on the Monday, the electric

0:24:45 > 0:24:48was turned back on, so we definitely get the results.

0:24:48 > 0:24:51There are bigger battles.

0:24:51 > 0:24:54Recently, they've succeeded in getting the council to scrap

0:24:54 > 0:24:58plans to start making the city's poorest residents play council tax.

0:24:58 > 0:25:01Today, though, it's Amina who needs help.

0:25:01 > 0:25:06She's a working mother of four, living in this house.

0:25:06 > 0:25:12What are the biggest problems?

0:25:12 > 0:25:15The biggest problems is damp and the mouse walking

0:25:15 > 0:25:16around on the walls.

0:25:16 > 0:25:18And the kitchen, that's the worst.

0:25:18 > 0:25:25You have mice in your kitchen?

0:25:25 > 0:25:27In the kitchen, and they live in the sleep rooms.

0:25:27 > 0:25:31And tell me how much you pay for your house every month.

0:25:31 > 0:25:32I pay £850.

0:25:32 > 0:25:33£850?

0:25:33 > 0:25:36Yes.

0:25:36 > 0:25:37With damp and mice?

0:25:37 > 0:25:39Yes.

0:25:39 > 0:25:41Acorn are going out of the landlord's home

0:25:41 > 0:25:43to deliver him a letter.

0:25:43 > 0:25:45Asked him to appoint qualified independent damp specialists

0:25:45 > 0:25:47and contractors to fix other outstanding issues.

0:25:47 > 0:25:55We want it booked by Monday, or we will take further action.

0:25:55 > 0:25:58Amina has fought this for two years.

0:25:58 > 0:26:06Her friend has the same landlord, same problems.

0:26:06 > 0:26:08For two years is enough, it's enough.

0:26:08 > 0:26:10It's not acceptable.

0:26:10 > 0:26:16This house?

0:26:16 > 0:26:17He's not got any damp problems!

0:26:17 > 0:26:20They say that he's not here.

0:26:20 > 0:26:26Can you come and take the letter?

0:26:26 > 0:26:32There's a bit of argy-bargy.

0:26:32 > 0:26:34What does collective action mean?

0:26:34 > 0:26:37Does it mean basically taking the law into your own hands?

0:26:37 > 0:26:39It means acting together in support of a particular individual

0:26:39 > 0:26:43or where people have got a similar problem, acting

0:26:43 > 0:26:45together to solve it.

0:26:45 > 0:26:47It doesn't mean breaking the law.

0:26:47 > 0:26:56We are an entirely law-abiding organisation.

0:26:56 > 0:26:57It's not fair.

0:26:57 > 0:26:59Shall we just put it in the postbox?

0:26:59 > 0:27:06Because you've got to go to work soon, haven't you?

0:27:06 > 0:27:10We are trying to get him to sort out his obligations to his tenants,

0:27:10 > 0:27:12who are getting poorly because he's letting them live in

0:27:12 > 0:27:14horrible conditions.

0:27:14 > 0:27:17What did she say?

0:27:17 > 0:27:20They're saying that we have no right to be here.

0:27:20 > 0:27:22We do.

0:27:22 > 0:27:24They're saying that it's nothing to do with them.

0:27:24 > 0:27:27We're just pointing out that all we wanted to do

0:27:27 > 0:27:28was to give them the letter.

0:27:28 > 0:27:29He's given us no choice.

0:27:29 > 0:27:31We've tried to do this through e-mail.

0:27:31 > 0:27:33We've tried to do it through phone calls.

0:27:33 > 0:27:34We've tried every other thing.

0:27:34 > 0:27:36He won't listen to us.

0:27:36 > 0:27:40Which is why we bringing it to his attention now.

0:27:40 > 0:27:42Excuse me?

0:27:42 > 0:27:44Do you want to speak to the police?

0:27:44 > 0:27:47Not particularly, no.

0:27:47 > 0:27:50They don't like it when we come here.

0:27:50 > 0:27:51And how do you feel?

0:27:51 > 0:27:52I feel...

0:27:52 > 0:27:53Now I feel happy.

0:27:53 > 0:27:59I don't know why.

0:28:11 > 0:28:13Do you get a lot of stick off the landlords?

0:28:13 > 0:28:15Yeah, absolutely.

0:28:15 > 0:28:18I mean, I think we're public enemy number one,

0:28:18 > 0:28:22and the reason for that is we're not afraid to name and shame them,

0:28:22 > 0:28:24put them on the spot.

0:28:34 > 0:28:40He doesn't deserve to rent out properties.

0:28:54 > 0:28:59We'll get reaction from landlords after 10am.

0:28:59 > 0:29:02We are really keen to hear your views on this too throughout

0:29:02 > 0:29:03the programme.

0:29:03 > 0:29:10Get in touch in the usual ways.

0:29:10 > 0:29:13Heidi got in touch on Facebook, "You should not have to put up with that

0:29:13 > 0:29:15from any landlord. The trouble is there aren't enough affordable

0:29:15 > 0:29:20council homes. Landlords do what they want and us tenants are always

0:29:20 > 0:29:24one step away from being homeless if the rent goes up." Karen says, "My

0:29:24 > 0:29:28husband and I own properties that we rent out. We're not rich. It's our

0:29:28 > 0:29:36pension really. We're bit fed-up being picked on all the time. There

0:29:36 > 0:29:43are bad landlords, but there are also bad tenants." Mark says, "I am

0:29:43 > 0:29:49a landlord with 11 properties in the south-west. I think the Acorn is in

0:29:49 > 0:29:53essence very good. The harassment in landlords will result in some

0:29:53 > 0:29:57leaving the sector, so who is p going to house these people if that

0:29:57 > 0:30:02happens? Landlords are not allowed to harass tenants who don't pay the

0:30:02 > 0:30:07rent or damage the property. Tenants are always seen as innocent victims.

0:30:07 > 0:30:11So level playing field, please. Reporting on this subject has to be

0:30:11 > 0:30:16balanced. How about a separate report covering violent, dirty,

0:30:16 > 0:30:19abusive and non paying tenants?" We will be speaking to a landlord after

0:30:19 > 0:30:2310am this morning to get his prospective on this.

0:30:23 > 0:30:27Still to come:

0:30:27 > 0:30:30# Love is in the air. #

0:30:30 > 0:30:33The ring, the chicken dinner, the corgis,

0:30:33 > 0:30:34dinner, the corgis,

0:30:34 > 0:30:36we'll replay the best bits from Harry and Meghan's

0:30:36 > 0:30:41interview just before 10am.

0:30:41 > 0:30:41Walkden

0:30:41 > 0:30:45And as the so called Chennai 6 are released from jail we'll

0:30:45 > 0:30:47speak to one of the men - Billy Irving - who's

0:30:47 > 0:30:54been in jail since 2013.

0:30:54 > 0:31:01Time for the latest news - here's Rachel.

0:31:01 > 0:31:04the BBC News headlines this morning.

0:31:04 > 0:31:06New measures are to be introduced to reduce the number of deaths

0:31:06 > 0:31:08and serious injuries during childbirth in England.

0:31:08 > 0:31:11For the first time, parents of stillborn babies are to be

0:31:11 > 0:31:13routinely offered an independent investigation into what went wrong.

0:31:13 > 0:31:15The UK has already reduced the mortality rate for babies

0:31:15 > 0:31:18but still lags behind many other European countries.

0:31:20 > 0:31:23More details of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle's wedding

0:31:23 > 0:31:25are expected to be announced today.

0:31:25 > 0:31:28The Archbishop of Canterbury has indicated the couple

0:31:28 > 0:31:31will have a church wedding, saying the pair had "chosen

0:31:31 > 0:31:34to make their vows to God" in a religious ceremony.

0:31:34 > 0:31:43The couple announced their engagement yesterday.

0:31:43 > 0:31:48The fact that I fell in love with Megan so incredibly quickly was

0:31:48 > 0:31:53confirmation to me that all the stars were aligned, everything was

0:31:53 > 0:31:57just perfect, this beautiful woman literally tripped and fell into my

0:31:57 > 0:32:02life, I fell into her life, the fact that I know she will be unbelievably

0:32:02 > 0:32:07good at the job part of that as well is obviously a huge relief to me

0:32:07 > 0:32:10because she'll be able to deal with everything else that comes with

0:32:10 > 0:32:12that.

0:32:12 > 0:32:14The only airport on the Indonesian island of Bali has been closed

0:32:14 > 0:32:17for a second day amid concerns of an imminent volcanic eruption.

0:32:17 > 0:32:20Massive plumes of smoke and ash have been spewing out of Mount Agung

0:32:20 > 0:32:22over the past few days.

0:32:22 > 0:32:26Up to 100,000 people have been ordered to evacuate the vicinity.

0:32:26 > 0:32:29Hundreds of flights were cancelled and thousands of travellers

0:32:29 > 0:32:34were stranded after the airport was initially closed on Monday.

0:32:34 > 0:32:37Six British men have been released from an Indian prison four years

0:32:37 > 0:32:40after they were arrested and charged with smuggling weapons

0:32:40 > 0:32:42into the country.

0:32:42 > 0:32:45The men had been convicted of the charges in 2016 and sentenced

0:32:45 > 0:32:48to five years in prison.

0:32:48 > 0:32:50But yesterday, an Indian court threw out all charges

0:32:50 > 0:32:53and ordered their release.

0:32:54 > 0:32:58When it comes to aspiration and opportunity England is becoming

0:32:58 > 0:33:02increasingly divided according to a new report.

0:33:02 > 0:33:05The Social Mobility Commission says London and the south-east

0:33:05 > 0:33:08are still the best place for disadvantaged children

0:33:08 > 0:33:10to progress, whilst those in the midlands and coastal areas

0:33:10 > 0:33:13have the least opportunities.

0:33:14 > 0:33:18The Pope will meet the de-facto Myanmar leader,

0:33:18 > 0:33:21Aung San Suu Kyi, later - on the second day of his

0:33:21 > 0:33:31visit to the country.

0:33:32 > 0:33:38Human rights organisations have it appealed to him to express support

0:33:38 > 0:33:42for the Rohingya people.

0:33:42 > 0:33:45The government has handed over its analysis of some

0:33:45 > 0:33:47of the economic impacts of Brexit - but the reports are

0:33:47 > 0:33:48missing some details.

0:33:48 > 0:33:51The Brexit Secretary David Davis says the documents have been

0:33:51 > 0:33:53redacted to leave out commercially sensitive market information.

0:33:53 > 0:33:57But Labour are insisting the public should be given all the detail.

0:33:57 > 0:33:59The Bank of England has published its fourth

0:33:59 > 0:34:01annual stress test - its assessment of how UK financial

0:34:01 > 0:34:05institutions would deal with a sharp downturn.

0:34:05 > 0:34:08It's concluded that Britain's banks could cope with what it called

0:34:08 > 0:34:12a 'disorderly Brexit.' It's also the first time since the tests

0:34:12 > 0:34:14were introduced that none of the country's major lenders have

0:34:14 > 0:34:24been assessed as requiring extra capital.

0:34:24 > 0:34:28That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

0:34:28 > 0:34:34Here's some sport now with Jess.

0:34:34 > 0:34:38Starting with cricket and Ben Stokes is apparently on his way down under

0:34:38 > 0:34:45but not to join the Ashes squad, he was spotted at Heathrow Airport but

0:34:45 > 0:34:51the ECB says he is paying a visit to his family. Sam Alla dies is the

0:34:51 > 0:34:57leading contender to take over at Everton, they've lost five of their

0:34:57 > 0:35:06last seven games since Ronald Koeman left. Karen Carney has withdrawn

0:35:06 > 0:35:10from the England squad after injuring an ankle. England have won

0:35:10 > 0:35:15the first two qualifiers. And veteran forward Chris Hannington has

0:35:15 > 0:35:20been recalled for England for the Rugby league World Cup final against

0:35:20 > 0:35:29Australia. James Roby starts at hooker. That's all for now.

0:35:29 > 0:35:32The NHS in England must do better at learning from mistakes to cut

0:35:32 > 0:35:34the number of baby deaths and injuries in childbirth.

0:35:34 > 0:35:36That's the message from the Health Secretary who's announced

0:35:36 > 0:35:38that all cases of serious harm or death during childbirth

0:35:38 > 0:35:42in England, will be independently investigated in future.

0:35:42 > 0:35:44The UK has some of the highest levels of stillbirth and early

0:35:44 > 0:35:47deaths among small babies in western Europe.

0:35:47 > 0:35:50Earlier this year this programme discovered that at least 1,000

0:35:50 > 0:35:54mistakes are made in England's NHS maternity units every week.

0:35:54 > 0:35:59The most serious incidents include the avoidable deaths of mothers

0:35:59 > 0:36:02and babies as a result of errors by midwives and doctors.

0:36:02 > 0:36:05Our reporter Divya Talwa met Sarah Ellis and her fiance Adam,

0:36:05 > 0:36:10who lost their son Jeano.

0:36:10 > 0:36:13An investigation by this programme has found that at least a thousand

0:36:13 > 0:36:17mistakes are occurring in England's NHS maternity units each week.

0:36:17 > 0:36:20Serious or adverse incidents where an unexpected harm,

0:36:20 > 0:36:23injury or death has happened.

0:36:23 > 0:36:25It can be anything from records being lost

0:36:25 > 0:36:28to a mother or baby dying.

0:36:28 > 0:36:31Last year alone there were 220 mistakes recorded every day.

0:36:31 > 0:36:33We've also found that nearly 260 mothers and babies

0:36:33 > 0:36:36died over four years.

0:36:37 > 0:36:40These deaths were either unexpected or could have been avoided.

0:36:41 > 0:36:44Only 39 out of 81 trusts responded to this question,

0:36:44 > 0:36:47so the number of deaths could be much higher.

0:36:49 > 0:36:51Some of the other incidents we've heard about include staff shortages,

0:36:51 > 0:36:55wrong medicines being given to patients, records

0:36:55 > 0:36:58being lost and delays in care.

0:36:58 > 0:37:01The NHS spends hundreds of millions on compensation

0:37:01 > 0:37:04pay-outs for blunders made by maternity staff.

0:37:04 > 0:37:07In 2015, it paid out more than half a billion pounds.

0:37:07 > 0:37:17So what's going wrong?

0:37:20 > 0:37:22Royal College of Midwives said safety is being compromised

0:37:22 > 0:37:25because of the pressure our maternity services are under.

0:37:25 > 0:37:28Let's speak now to Bob Moran - his daughter Poppy has cerebral

0:37:28 > 0:37:29palsy after being starved of oxygen during birth.

0:37:29 > 0:37:31Amanda Braithwaite, has had four children.

0:37:31 > 0:37:33Her second, a girl, died unexpectedly at birth.

0:37:33 > 0:37:41And we also have midwife Nichola Sanger.

0:37:41 > 0:37:44She has 12 years experience as a midwife.

0:37:44 > 0:37:50Thank you all for joining us. Bob, your daughter was starved of oxygen

0:37:50 > 0:37:53during her birth and she has cerebral palsy, explain to us what

0:37:53 > 0:38:01happened.Poppy was delivered eventually by emergency Caesarean

0:38:01 > 0:38:07and we knew straightaway that she was in a bad way, she had to be

0:38:07 > 0:38:14recessed stated in the theatre and she was taken to intensive care. She

0:38:14 > 0:38:18now struggles every day with cerebral palsy and epilepsy, reduced

0:38:18 > 0:38:23mobility, poor eyesight, she has seizures at night which means she

0:38:23 > 0:38:30doesn't sleep very well and we feel like the whole thing could have been

0:38:30 > 0:38:34avoided had we received appropriate levels of care. We'd been in

0:38:34 > 0:38:39hospital for 12 hours before she was delivered. And it was eight hours

0:38:39 > 0:38:46before they ran a CTG, on my wife to trace the heartbeat.That's a sort

0:38:46 > 0:38:55of monitor, isn't it?That should be common practice to run a trace like

0:38:55 > 0:39:02that when you go into hospital with something wrong. So this

0:39:02 > 0:39:09announcement, I think, families like ours will welcome it, it seems like

0:39:09 > 0:39:12a big step forward and it would be very welcome news for all families

0:39:12 > 0:39:17who have suffered an incident like this.Amanda, I want to bring you

0:39:17 > 0:39:23in, you lost your second child, a daughter, during childbirth. She was

0:39:23 > 0:39:27resuscitated, wasn't she and therefore you got an inquest. Did

0:39:27 > 0:39:33that help you provide answers to what had happened?No, the inquest

0:39:33 > 0:39:39was incredibly frustrating for us. I was hoping to be able to sit in

0:39:39 > 0:39:42front of the staff who were at the hospital and ask questions which I

0:39:42 > 0:39:49was able to do but unfortunately you know, they had gone through a

0:39:49 > 0:39:56sequence of events that have happened and the doctor who

0:39:56 > 0:40:00performed the postmortem was there but the hospital had conveniently

0:40:00 > 0:40:04lost a load of very important notes which were blood tests, taken from

0:40:04 > 0:40:10my daughter and myself on the day, Korda samples, placenta samples by

0:40:10 > 0:40:16the time the inquest came they only had what was in the postmortem which

0:40:16 > 0:40:20was nothing, there was absolutely nothing wrong with her, she was a

0:40:20 > 0:40:25full-term baby and there was absolutely no reason for her death.

0:40:25 > 0:40:30So we walked away with no answers. So in some ways was that even more

0:40:30 > 0:40:34frustrating for you because presumably when you went to the

0:40:34 > 0:40:37inquest you hoped to get those answers?Is, absolutely, I had

0:40:37 > 0:40:44really hoped I could ask the questions but somehow, when you are

0:40:44 > 0:40:48faced with the shock and tragedy, when you basically have the first

0:40:48 > 0:40:54meeting with the staff after your baby has died, you ask the questions

0:40:54 > 0:40:57that come to mind but in the months following you question everything. I

0:40:57 > 0:41:02thought I could sit down and actually write down some questions

0:41:02 > 0:41:07and asked the coroner, as the obstetrician who was there from the

0:41:07 > 0:41:11hospital but I got nothing, I found it very frustrating and at the end

0:41:11 > 0:41:15of the day we walked away with a verdict of natural causes and

0:41:15 > 0:41:19there's absolutely nothing natural about going into labour with a

0:41:19 > 0:41:25full-term baby that you carried for nine months, the labourer was

0:41:25 > 0:41:28straightforward, textbook, something that every mother wants, I was

0:41:28 > 0:41:31elated when she was born and then it all just unfolded and it was

0:41:31 > 0:41:37absolutely devastating to watch my daughter die in front of me and for

0:41:37 > 0:41:42no reason, no one can still tell me why it happened.Bob, did you have a

0:41:42 > 0:41:46sense, I don't want to put words in your mouth Amanda, but I Shane Lowry

0:41:46 > 0:41:49almost felt powerless and I wonder Bob if you felt the same, although

0:41:49 > 0:41:54you did not lose your daughter clearly she was disabled by what

0:41:54 > 0:41:59happened.I can absolutely identify with what Amanda is talking about in

0:41:59 > 0:42:02terms of feeling powerless and being desperate for answers about how did

0:42:02 > 0:42:09we get to this point? I think there have always been local

0:42:09 > 0:42:14investigations into these incidents and too often they have come up with

0:42:14 > 0:42:19unsatisfying conclusions or no conclusions. I think as a parent you

0:42:19 > 0:42:22always carry a huge weight of responsibility for anything that

0:42:22 > 0:42:27happens to your child. Absolutely. And that's really difficult and

0:42:27 > 0:42:31you'll probably never be able to get away from that but to have a trust

0:42:31 > 0:42:38or a hospital hold-up hands and say actually, we made huge mistakes and

0:42:38 > 0:42:43this should never have happened. Makes such a difference. We still

0:42:43 > 0:42:48haven't ever had a formal apology and like you, I wasn't monitored, I

0:42:48 > 0:42:53had gone into hospital in labour, I had waited in reception, they could

0:42:53 > 0:42:57see I was in full bloom labour, I could hardly stand, I waited around

0:42:57 > 0:43:01for half an hour for a bed, eventually I was told there was a

0:43:01 > 0:43:05bed available to me, I couldn't walk, I was calling because I was

0:43:05 > 0:43:09ready to push, no one offered me a future, no one helped me to my room

0:43:09 > 0:43:14except I husband, I got onto the bed, no one monitored me, did not

0:43:14 > 0:43:18check my heart rate and only later we realised if they have monitored

0:43:18 > 0:43:22me they would have realised she was in distress I would have gone in for

0:43:22 > 0:43:24an emergency Caesarean and she probably would have been absolutely

0:43:24 > 0:43:31fine.I want to bring in Nicola who is listening. A midwife of 12 years,

0:43:31 > 0:43:36I've been watching her expression is listening to this and I can tell

0:43:36 > 0:43:39it's difficult for you to listen to this, I guess it's important to

0:43:39 > 0:43:44point out it's a very small number of babies that die each year in this

0:43:44 > 0:43:50country, we are looking at 700,000 births and only 1000 of those

0:43:50 > 0:43:54babies, not that bad is any comfort to the families whatsoever like

0:43:54 > 0:43:58Amanda who have been affected. Absolutely, my heart goes out to

0:43:58 > 0:44:01both of those families and all families that go through those

0:44:01 > 0:44:15experiences. It just comes down to, both situations sound like it was a

0:44:15 > 0:44:18busy unit, you don't want to be left in labour at the top of the

0:44:18 > 0:44:22Corredera, you should have been welcomed and taken to your room.

0:44:22 > 0:44:29It's a really difficult situation. -- at the top of the corridor.Each

0:44:29 > 0:44:35hospital is so different. Do you think it's important that

0:44:35 > 0:44:38independent investigations will be the way forward because we've heard

0:44:38 > 0:44:40from Bob and Amanda local investigations have taken place and

0:44:40 > 0:44:46it seems like many parents don't have faith in those?I think you

0:44:46 > 0:44:51cannot ignore that. I think that needs to happen so for the families,

0:44:51 > 0:44:57they get direct answers. As long as these trusts are then helped, if

0:44:57 > 0:45:04things are picked up, issues that have arisen, it's not them becoming

0:45:04 > 0:45:08more of a blame culture, these trusts are helped to move forward

0:45:08 > 0:45:14with maybe courses, more learning, more direct help to help those

0:45:14 > 0:45:22trusts, there may be issues that are picked up from.Bob, do you think an

0:45:22 > 0:45:31independent investigation is key to this that is being announced today?

0:45:31 > 0:45:36I think we are a bit thin on detail. One of the things I would like to

0:45:36 > 0:45:39emphasise is that parents and families, like us, who have been

0:45:39 > 0:45:47through bad experiences should be involved in having a say in how

0:45:47 > 0:45:52these independent investigations will work and you know, I certainly

0:45:52 > 0:45:56think they need to involve clinicians and experts in the same

0:45:56 > 0:46:00way that you involve them with going through the courts. At the moment,

0:46:00 > 0:46:04if you take the route of going through the courts, it's incredibly

0:46:04 > 0:46:08drawn out. It is an incredibly harrowing process. It's a difficult

0:46:08 > 0:46:12thing for families to go through. So, I think that is very important

0:46:12 > 0:46:19for parents to be involved. I also think as we've just heard, training

0:46:19 > 0:46:26is really crucial in all of this. I'm an ambassador for a charity Baby

0:46:26 > 0:46:33Lifeline. They are driving the change in providing new training for

0:46:33 > 0:46:38clinicians about trying to provide safer maternity care and one of the

0:46:38 > 0:46:44biggest things that they have picked up on is communication, break down

0:46:44 > 0:46:51in communication between staff within teams and across different

0:46:51 > 0:46:53dplins, information is not being disdisciplines, information is not

0:46:53 > 0:46:56being carried across with patients when they are transferred.I wonder

0:46:56 > 0:47:02if that comes back to what Nicola was talking about a blame culture.

0:47:02 > 0:47:07Is there a fear amongst NHS staff? There is be defensive practise that

0:47:07 > 0:47:12you see all the time. Often you lose your autonomy because you are

0:47:12 > 0:47:15frightened about what's going to happen, but then you have the

0:47:15 > 0:47:23stresses and strains of busy wards. Of busy labour wards. I work out in

0:47:23 > 0:47:26the community so I'm carrying a case load and part of my job is to make

0:47:26 > 0:47:30sure that the plan of care is in place, but sometimes things happen.

0:47:30 > 0:47:35Again, like, Bob just said, miscommunication. People don't

0:47:35 > 0:47:38attend appointments, all those little things can make the big

0:47:38 > 0:47:44picture hard, but also there is lots of other women come in now with

0:47:44 > 0:47:47other health complications. There is lots of other factors that then put

0:47:47 > 0:47:52more stresses on those labour wards which there isn't always the right

0:47:52 > 0:47:55equipment. There isn't always the right technologies and the right

0:47:55 > 0:48:03staff quantities then to be able to care for everybody that's in that

0:48:03 > 0:48:07labour ward because a low risk person walks in and maybe they don't

0:48:07 > 0:48:12get the care they should receive and then tragic things happen like we

0:48:12 > 0:48:15have been hearing about.We are out of time. I really appreciate you

0:48:15 > 0:48:19sharing your store Chris this morning.

0:48:19 > 0:48:22Coming up, we'll be speaking exclusively to one of the British

0:48:22 > 0:48:24men released from an Indian prison, four years after being arrested

0:48:24 > 0:48:26and detained on weapons charges.

0:48:26 > 0:48:31That's coming up just after 10am.

0:48:31 > 0:48:35So we've heard the love story, seen the ring and the beaming smiles

0:48:35 > 0:48:38and now attention is turning to exactly when and where

0:48:38 > 0:48:41Prince Harry and Meghan Markle will get married.

0:48:41 > 0:48:45More details could be released this afternoon.

0:48:45 > 0:48:48During yesterday's joint interview we learnt that the couple went

0:48:48 > 0:48:50on holiday together after two dates.

0:48:50 > 0:48:53They knew nothing about each other when they first met.

0:48:53 > 0:48:59They were set up on a blind date.

0:48:59 > 0:49:04Prince Harry proposed over a roast chicken dinner.

0:49:04 > 0:49:08The queen's corgis really like Meghan.

0:49:08 > 0:49:11She'll give up her acting career.

0:49:11 > 0:49:14For those of you who can't get enough of it, here's that interview,

0:49:14 > 0:49:24with a few more bits we've not yet heard.

0:49:29 > 0:49:33It happened a few weeks ago.It was a cosy night. We were roasting

0:49:33 > 0:49:40chicken.Trying to roast a chicken. Just an amazing surprise. It was so

0:49:40 > 0:49:46sweet and natural and very romantic. He got on one knee.Of course.Was

0:49:46 > 0:49:50it an instant yes from you?Yes, as a matter of fact I could barely let

0:49:50 > 0:49:56you finish proposing.She didn't let me finish. "Can I say yes?" ?" There

0:49:56 > 0:50:03were hugs. "Can I give you the ring?" She was, "Ah, yes, the ring."

0:50:03 > 0:50:07I think I managed to catch her by surprise as well.Had this is how

0:50:07 > 0:50:11long after you first met?It would be a year-and-a-half, two, a little

0:50:11 > 0:50:16bit more.No, about a year-and-a-half.Which for most

0:50:16 > 0:50:20people would be a whirlwind. Is that how it felt to you?I don't think I

0:50:20 > 0:50:25would call it a whirlwind in terms of our relationship. Obviously there

0:50:25 > 0:50:29have been layers attached to how public it has become after we had a

0:50:29 > 0:50:35good five, six months almost with just privacy which was amazing. But

0:50:35 > 0:50:40no, I think, we were able to really have so much time just to connect

0:50:40 > 0:50:46and we never went longer than two weeks without seeing each other even

0:50:46 > 0:50:49though we were doing a long-distance relationship. We made it work.How

0:50:49 > 0:50:54did you first meet?We were introduced by a mutual friend who

0:50:54 > 0:50:59sfloops we shall protect her privacy. Not too much of that. But

0:50:59 > 0:51:04it was literally, it was through her and then we met once and twice

0:51:04 > 0:51:11back-to-back two dates in London. Last July.Yes.Beginning of July.

0:51:11 > 0:51:16And then it was, I think, about three, maybe four weeks later, that

0:51:16 > 0:51:22I managed to persuade her to come and join me in bat swan that and we

0:51:22 > 0:51:27camped out with each other under the stars and we spent, she joined me

0:51:27 > 0:51:31for five days out there which was fantastic. Then we were really by

0:51:31 > 0:51:35ourselves which was crucial to me to make sure we had a chance to get to

0:51:35 > 0:51:41know each other.The friend who introduced you, was she trying to

0:51:41 > 0:51:46set you-up?Yes.It was a blind date.We talk about it and even then

0:51:46 > 0:51:50because I'm from the States, you don't grow up with the same

0:51:50 > 0:51:55understanding of the Royal Family and so, while I know and understand

0:51:55 > 0:51:59clearly there is a global interest there. I don't know much about him

0:51:59 > 0:52:03and so the only thing I had asked her when she said she wanted to set

0:52:03 > 0:52:08us up, I said, "Is he nice?" If he wasn't kind it just didn't, it

0:52:08 > 0:52:13didn't seem like it would make sense.How much did you, Prince

0:52:13 > 0:52:17Harry, know about Meghan? Had you seen her on TV?I hadn't heard about

0:52:17 > 0:52:22her until this friend said Meghan Markle. I was right, OK, give me a

0:52:22 > 0:52:28bit of background. What's going on here? I had never watched Suits and

0:52:28 > 0:52:31never heard of Meghan before. I was beautifully surprised when I walked

0:52:31 > 0:52:36into that room and saw her and there she was sitting there. I was like

0:52:36 > 0:52:41OK, I'm going to have to really up my game here! And make sure I have

0:52:41 > 0:52:46got a good chat.In the case of your relationship, there is a layer of

0:52:46 > 0:52:49what it means to get involved with someone from the Royal Family. How

0:52:49 > 0:52:53much of a sense did you have, Meghan of the enormity of what you were

0:52:53 > 0:52:58getting into and what it might mean for your lifeI can safely say as

0:52:58 > 0:53:01naive as it sounds now having gone through this learning curve in the

0:53:01 > 0:53:05past year-and-a-half, I did not have any understanding of just what it

0:53:05 > 0:53:13would be like. I don't think...I tried to warn you as much as

0:53:13 > 0:53:18possible, but I think both of us were totally surprised by the

0:53:18 > 0:53:24reaction after the first five or six months that we had to ourselves of

0:53:24 > 0:53:27what would actually happen from then. You can have as many

0:53:27 > 0:53:33conversations as you want and try and prepare as much as possible, but

0:53:33 > 0:53:38we were unprepared.The scrutiny? All sorts.I think also because

0:53:38 > 0:53:44there is a misconception that because I have worked in the

0:53:44 > 0:53:46entertainment industry that this would be something I would be

0:53:46 > 0:53:49familiar with, even though I was on my show for six years and working

0:53:49 > 0:53:55before that, I have never been part of tabloid culture or pop culture to

0:53:55 > 0:53:59that degree and lived relatively quiet life even though I focus so

0:53:59 > 0:54:05much on my job and so that was a really stark difference out of the

0:54:05 > 0:54:10gate.Some of that scrutiny and you ended up making a public statement

0:54:10 > 0:54:16about it, some of the scrutiny was centred around your ethnicity. When

0:54:16 > 0:54:19you realised that, what did you think?Of course, it's

0:54:19 > 0:54:24disheartening. It's a shame that that is the climate in this world to

0:54:24 > 0:54:27focus that much on that or that would be discriminatory in that

0:54:27 > 0:54:31sense, but I think, you know, at the end of the day, I'm really proud of

0:54:31 > 0:54:37who I am and where I come from and we have never put any focus on that.

0:54:37 > 0:54:41We've just focussed on who we are as a couple.It is an immense change.

0:54:41 > 0:54:49You're getting a new country out of it. A husband obviously, but also

0:54:49 > 0:54:54giving up your career.Yes. But I don't see it as giving anything up.

0:54:54 > 0:55:00I just see it as a change.It's a new challenge.It's a new chapter,

0:55:00 > 0:55:03right? And keep in minute I have been working on my show for seven

0:55:03 > 0:55:09years. So, we were very, very fortunate to be able to have that

0:55:09 > 0:55:15sort of longevity on a series and for me once we hit the 100 episode

0:55:15 > 0:55:19marker, I thought, you know what I have, I have ticked this box and I

0:55:19 > 0:55:23feel proud of the work I have done there and it is time to work as a

0:55:23 > 0:55:33team with you.Meghan, given your acting in the profile you had, you

0:55:33 > 0:55:37had been an ambassador for UN women. What about this new platform? What

0:55:37 > 0:55:45do you want to do with it?The same. Can you imagine? I'm not a singer.

0:55:45 > 0:55:50No, what has been really exciting as we talk about the transition of this

0:55:50 > 0:55:53out of my career, but into the role, the causes that have been very

0:55:53 > 0:55:56important to me, I can focus even more energy on because very early

0:55:56 > 0:56:01out of the gate, I think, you realised once you have access or a

0:56:01 > 0:56:04voice that people are willing to listen to and with that comes

0:56:04 > 0:56:09responsibility.Meghan, your parents, they are happy for you,

0:56:09 > 0:56:12obviously, do you think they have worried about the scale of what

0:56:12 > 0:56:18you're getting intoI'm sure the onset, both my parents and my close

0:56:18 > 0:56:23friends were concerned because we got very quickly swept up in a media

0:56:23 > 0:56:28storm which was not part of my life before that, but they also had never

0:56:28 > 0:56:37seen me so happy and I think also once my friends were able to really

0:56:37 > 0:56:40meet Harry and my mum, who we spent a lot of time with, who is so much

0:56:40 > 0:56:47fun...Her mum is amazing.It was just obvious that no matter what we

0:56:47 > 0:56:51were being put through, that it was just temporary and that we were

0:56:51 > 0:56:56going to be able to get through that. So everyone was really happy.

0:56:56 > 0:57:00Harry has talked to my dad a few times. He hasn't been able to meet

0:57:00 > 0:57:06him yet. But it has been worth every effort.Children?Not currently, no!

0:57:06 > 0:57:10Of course, you know, I think, one step at a time and hopefully we will

0:57:10 > 0:57:15start a family in the near future. And have you met the Queen?I have,

0:57:15 > 0:57:22yes. A couple of times.Halfs that like?It's incredible. You know, A,

0:57:22 > 0:57:27to be able to meet her through his lens, not just with his honour and

0:57:27 > 0:57:32respect for her as the monarch, but the love that he has for her as his

0:57:32 > 0:57:37grandmother. All of those layers have been so important for me so

0:57:37 > 0:57:41when I met her I had such a deep understanding and of course,

0:57:41 > 0:57:45incredible respect for being able to have that time with her and we've

0:57:45 > 0:57:50had a really, she is an incredible woman.And the corgis took to you

0:57:50 > 0:57:55straightaway. I have spent the last 33 years being barked at and this

0:57:55 > 0:58:01one walks in and nothing, wagging tails.Your ring...Oh yes.Tell us

0:58:01 > 0:58:05about your ring.The ring is obviously yellow gold because that's

0:58:05 > 0:58:11what her favourite. And the main stone itself, I sourced from

0:58:11 > 0:58:15Botswana and the little diamonds either side are from my mother's

0:58:15 > 0:58:19jewellery collection to make sure she is with us on this crazy journey

0:58:19 > 0:58:26together. And...It's beautiful And he designed it. It's incredible.

0:58:26 > 0:58:31Yeah. Make sure it stays on that finger!Of course!What does it mean

0:58:31 > 0:58:35to you Meghan to have those stones on your finger that once belonged to

0:58:35 > 0:58:44Princess Diana?I think everything about Harry's thoughtfulness and the

0:58:44 > 0:58:49inclusion of that and obviously not being able to meet his mum, it is so

0:58:49 > 0:58:53important to me to know that she is a part of this with us.What do you

0:58:53 > 0:58:57think your mother would have thought of Meghan or said about Meghan?They

0:58:57 > 0:59:03would be as thick as thieves without question. I think she would be over

0:59:03 > 0:59:11the moon, jumping up and down, so excited for me, but then she would

0:59:11 > 0:59:16have been best friends with Meghan. It is days like today when I really

0:59:16 > 0:59:19miss having her around and miss being able to share the happy news,

0:59:19 > 0:59:22but with the ring and with everything else that's going on, I'm

0:59:22 > 0:59:26sure...She is with us.I'm sure she is with us jumping up and down

0:59:26 > 0:59:30somewhere else.Prince Harry, Meghan Markle, thank you very much.Thank

0:59:30 > 0:59:39you so much.

0:59:39 > 0:59:45It is that little look at the end, it is incredible. Full details of

0:59:45 > 0:59:50the Royal Wedding throughout the day on BBC News.

0:59:50 > 0:59:54Let's get the latest weather update with Simon King.

0:59:55 > 1:00:00Go if you thought it was going to be cold, over the next few days, it

1:00:00 > 1:00:05will be colder. We have a wind coming from the Arctic. It is

1:00:05 > 1:00:08bringing us wintry showers across the north-east of Scotland and

1:00:08 > 1:00:11increasingly down the eastern side of England. A few showers towards

1:00:11 > 1:00:14West Wales and south-west England, but it will feel cold. Factor in the

1:00:14 > 1:00:19wind and it will feel more like one to five Celsius during this

1:00:19 > 1:00:23afternoon. Tonight, we will continue with the showers across the north of

1:00:23 > 1:00:28Scotland and the eastern side of England. Those becoming wintry and

1:00:28 > 1:00:35snow. Down to lower levels there would be a bit of sleetiness.

1:00:35 > 1:00:39Temperatures will fall down to freezing. Once again during

1:00:39 > 1:00:42Wednesday, we will have the showers down the eastern side of England and

1:00:42 > 1:00:46further southward into the South East later in the afternoon. Further

1:00:46 > 1:00:52west, one or two showers for Pembroke. For many of us, it will be

1:00:52 > 1:00:56a dry day with sunshine, but again, feeling cold. Bye-bye.

1:01:00 > 1:01:02Hello it's Tuesday, it's ten o'clock, I'm Chloe Tilley

1:01:02 > 1:01:03in for Victoria Derbyshire.

1:01:03 > 1:01:06Our top story today - the NHS plan to reduce the high

1:01:06 > 1:01:08numbers of stillbirths and early deaths in England,

1:01:08 > 1:01:18including independent investigations into what happened.

1:01:20 > 1:01:25When I talk to parents whose heart has been broken by something that

1:01:25 > 1:01:29has gone wrong in those very small numbers of cases, what they say is,

1:01:29 > 1:01:32they don't talk about the money, they just want to know that the NHS

1:01:32 > 1:01:34has learned from what went wrong.

1:01:34 > 1:01:36Also on the programme - more than a third of mothers

1:01:36 > 1:01:38experience mental health issues after giving birth.

1:01:38 > 1:01:40We'll be getting reaction from three mothers later this hour.

1:01:40 > 1:01:43Also on the programme, taking the law into their own hands

1:01:43 > 1:01:45or encouraging people to stand up for their own rights?

1:01:45 > 1:01:47The housing rights activists encouraging direct action

1:01:47 > 1:01:55against bad landlords who let people rent homes like this.

1:01:55 > 1:01:59Hallway, electric, front though. I have never had a front door since I

1:01:59 > 1:02:06have been here. I dread to think what life is like in there.

1:02:06 > 1:02:09In the next half hour, we'll hear from a landlord

1:02:09 > 1:02:11as well as a tenant who says the property's she's rented

1:02:11 > 1:02:13have been in a terrible state. the property's she's rented

1:02:13 > 1:02:16Yesterday the family of the Chennai six were over the moon at the news

1:02:16 > 1:02:19that the six British men were to be released from prison in india.

1:02:19 > 1:02:23And in the last few hours they have been released.

1:02:23 > 1:02:28We'll get reaction from them shortly.

1:02:28 > 1:02:31Good morning.

1:02:31 > 1:02:35Here's Rachel in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

1:02:35 > 1:02:39New measures are to be introduced to reduce the number of deaths

1:02:39 > 1:02:42and serious injuries during childbirth in England.

1:02:42 > 1:02:45For the first time, parents of stillborn babies are to be

1:02:45 > 1:02:49routinely offered an independent investigation into what went wrong.

1:02:49 > 1:02:52The UK has already reduced the mortality rate for babies

1:02:52 > 1:02:55but still lags behind many other European countries.

1:02:55 > 1:03:00Here's our Health Correspondent, Dominic Hughes.

1:03:00 > 1:03:04Losing twins during pregnancy, and then having baby

1:03:04 > 1:03:08Hugo very prematurely, means Rachel understands

1:03:08 > 1:03:13all too well the challenges childbirth can present.

1:03:13 > 1:03:16Her experience has taught her that parents and medical staff need

1:03:16 > 1:03:21to be more aware of when things could go wrong.

1:03:21 > 1:03:25I think it's education of pregnant women to never be afraid to ask

1:03:25 > 1:03:27questions and raise concerns.

1:03:27 > 1:03:28And it's also the medical establishment

1:03:28 > 1:03:32in encouraging them to do so.

1:03:32 > 1:03:35Now, the Health Secretary in England is announcing

1:03:35 > 1:03:41that rather than hospitals carrying out their own investigations

1:03:41 > 1:03:42when things go wrong, an independent review

1:03:42 > 1:03:43will be carried out instead.

1:03:43 > 1:03:47When I talk to parents whose heart has been broken by something that

1:03:47 > 1:03:50has gone wrong in those very small numbers of cases, what they say

1:03:50 > 1:03:53is it's not about the money, they just want to know that the NHS

1:03:53 > 1:03:56has learned from what went wrong so that that same mistakes

1:03:56 > 1:04:00isn't ever going to happen again.

1:04:00 > 1:04:03The UK lags behind many other European countries when it comes

1:04:03 > 1:04:06to preventing baby deaths and premature births.

1:04:06 > 1:04:10There are around nine stillborn babies every day.

1:04:10 > 1:04:13Roughly 50 women still die in England each year from

1:04:13 > 1:04:15issues related to pregnancy.

1:04:15 > 1:04:19And around 50,000 babies are born prematurely.

1:04:19 > 1:04:22Progress is being made, but there are concerns

1:04:22 > 1:04:31that difficult lessons are not being learned.

1:04:31 > 1:04:33More details of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle's wedding

1:04:33 > 1:04:35are expected to be announced today.

1:04:35 > 1:04:37The Archbishop of Canterbury has indicated the couple

1:04:37 > 1:04:41will have a church wedding, saying the pair had "chosen

1:04:41 > 1:04:43to make their vows to God" in a religious ceremony.

1:04:43 > 1:04:48The couple announced their engagement yesterday.

1:04:48 > 1:04:51The main airport on the Indonesian island of Bali has been closed

1:04:51 > 1:04:55for a second day amid concerns of a volcanic eruption.

1:04:55 > 1:04:58Massive plumes of smoke and ash have been spewing out of Mount Agung

1:04:58 > 1:05:06over the past few days.

1:05:06 > 1:05:09Up to 100,000 people have been ordered to evacuate the vicinity.

1:05:09 > 1:05:12Hundreds of flights were cancelled and thousands of travellers were

1:05:12 > 1:05:17stranded after the airport was initially closed on Monday.

1:05:17 > 1:05:20Six British men have been released from an Indian prison four years

1:05:20 > 1:05:22after they were arrested and charged with smuggling weapons

1:05:22 > 1:05:23into the country.

1:05:23 > 1:05:26The men had been convicted of the charges in 2016 and

1:05:26 > 1:05:28sentenced to five years in prison.

1:05:28 > 1:05:31But yesterday, an Indian court threw out all charges

1:05:31 > 1:05:37and ordered their release.

1:05:37 > 1:05:40Pope Francis has arrived in Myanmar for the first papal visit

1:05:40 > 1:05:42to a country widely accused this year of ethnic cleansing

1:05:42 > 1:05:44of Rohingya Muslims.

1:05:44 > 1:05:47The Pope is expected to meet the country's de-facto leader

1:05:47 > 1:05:48Aung San Suu Kyi.

1:05:48 > 1:05:51Human rights organisations have urged him to express support

1:05:51 > 1:06:00for the Rohingya people who've been denied citizenship.

1:06:00 > 1:06:07That's the summary of the latest news. More from me at 1030. Lots of

1:06:07 > 1:06:11you getting in touch about that story, these new measures being

1:06:11 > 1:06:13introduced by the government to try and cut the number of deaths of

1:06:13 > 1:06:21babies during childbirth. A couple of anonymous text, one says I was a

1:06:21 > 1:06:24midwifery manager with expertise into leading investigations into

1:06:24 > 1:06:28what went wrong. Last year I experienced an horrendous experience

1:06:28 > 1:06:31where I believe my granddaughter and daughter could well have died if I

1:06:31 > 1:06:36wasn't there. Sad to say there was a bullying culture within the NHS

1:06:36 > 1:06:41which some midwives have adopted, and this has to be addressed from

1:06:41 > 1:06:44government level. We've had a tweet from Jennifer saying this report

1:06:44 > 1:06:48makes it sound like it arose in hospital are caused by bad staff and

1:06:48 > 1:06:53wilful ignorance. This is not what research has shown. The question is

1:06:53 > 1:06:57what are the impacts of years of austerity and staff shortages within

1:06:57 > 1:07:00the NHS? Keep your thoughts coming on those stories and any others were

1:07:00 > 1:07:10talking about this morning, using the hash tag #victorialive. Now

1:07:10 > 1:07:15let's get some sports news with Jess. Starting with cricket. The ECB

1:07:15 > 1:07:19says Ben Stokes is visiting family in New Zealand and not heading to

1:07:19 > 1:07:24Australia, after he was apparently spotted flying out of Heathrow. He

1:07:24 > 1:07:28has been suspended since being arrested in September on suspicion

1:07:28 > 1:07:33of actual bodily harm after an incident outside a nightclub. Our

1:07:33 > 1:07:36sports correspondent Andy Swiss is following the tour.Welcome the

1:07:36 > 1:07:39Adelaide where the England players have arrived from Brisbane. Plenty

1:07:39 > 1:07:43for them to think about over the next few days before the second test

1:07:43 > 1:07:47gets underway on Saturday. While they were flying year, the big

1:07:47 > 1:07:52talking point was another cricketer making a plane journey. A picture

1:07:52 > 1:07:56appeared on Twitter which, it was claimed, was Ben Stokes at an

1:07:56 > 1:08:00airport. That prompted feverish speculation he was on his way to

1:08:00 > 1:08:13Australia. The England and Wales Cricket Board say that he is not.

1:08:13 > 1:08:16But he is on his way to New Zealand. The ECB said he's making a private

1:08:16 > 1:08:19trip to New Zealand to spend some time with his family. But it seems

1:08:19 > 1:08:22as if he also wants to play some cricket out there. The New Zealand

1:08:22 > 1:08:24side, Canterbury, say they have held initial informal discussions with

1:08:24 > 1:08:26him over his availability for forthcoming matches. Although Ben

1:08:26 > 1:08:28Stokes is suspended from England duty, it is understood they would be

1:08:28 > 1:08:34happy for him to play for a side in New Zealand. So it is another

1:08:34 > 1:08:39intriguing development in this ongoing saga.Veteran forward Chris

1:08:39 > 1:08:43Harrington has been recalled by England for the Saturday world Rugby

1:08:43 > 1:08:46League Cup Final against Australia. He played in the first two matches

1:08:46 > 1:08:51including defeat to Australia in the opening game. He takes a spot on the

1:08:51 > 1:08:57bench with James Roby starting at hooker. Karen Carney has withdrawn

1:08:57 > 1:09:00from the England squad for the qualifier against Kazakhstan and

1:09:00 > 1:09:07Colchester after injuring an ankle. The Chelsea winger, Cap 134 times,

1:09:07 > 1:09:11is on the sidelines. England have won the first two qualifiers. You

1:09:11 > 1:09:16can watch that match live on BBC Two and the kick-off is at five past

1:09:16 > 1:09:21seven. Wales play tonight also, away to Bosnia-Herzegovina. Four main

1:09:21 > 1:09:23link manager Sam Allardyce is the leading contender for the Everton

1:09:23 > 1:09:31job. -- former England manager. He had been the early candidate to

1:09:31 > 1:09:35replace Ronald Koeman, but withdrew after Everton were slow to make an

1:09:35 > 1:09:38offer. They have lost five of the last seven games under caretaker

1:09:38 > 1:09:42manager David Unsworth so the search for a manager is really taking on

1:09:42 > 1:09:46some urgency. This is why you should never leave a football match until

1:09:46 > 1:09:53it's actually over. Queens Park Rangers were reading Brentford in

1:09:53 > 1:09:58the championship. You can see massive gaps in the crowd. QPR

1:09:58 > 1:10:02pulled one back, and then this with 20 seconds to go. Luke Freeman

1:10:02 > 1:10:08scoring an equaliser. Cue pandemonium and celebrations and

1:10:08 > 1:10:12picking up the ball again, wanting to get their winning goal, I think.

1:10:12 > 1:10:16Great reward for the fans who actually bothered to stay for the

1:10:16 > 1:10:23entire match. Thank you, Jess.

1:10:23 > 1:10:25Six former British soldiers who were held in prison in India

1:10:25 > 1:10:28for four years have been released.

1:10:28 > 1:10:31The so called "Chennai six" were arrested on weapons charges.

1:10:31 > 1:10:34Their lawyers say they will have to remain in India

1:10:34 > 1:10:40a little while longer, before they can return home.

1:10:40 > 1:10:46We've been following their story for some time on the programme now

1:10:46 > 1:10:51and can speak to the fiancee of one of the men Billy Irving

1:10:51 > 1:10:53who's been held in prison since October 2013.

1:10:53 > 1:10:58And Joanne Tomlinson who is the sister of John Armstrong.

1:10:58 > 1:11:02Great to speak to you by. I can't imagine how you're feeling but the

1:11:02 > 1:11:08smile gives some of it away.I am absolutely about this. When we got

1:11:08 > 1:11:11the verdict yesterday we did not dream for one second that he would

1:11:11 > 1:11:15actually be released within a few hours, really. We got the phone call

1:11:15 > 1:11:23about three hours ago and Gary just phoned me to say, I am out.I just

1:11:23 > 1:11:28could not believe it. Were you expecting him to call?I expected

1:11:28 > 1:11:34him to call as soon as he got out, but certainly not today. I thought

1:11:34 > 1:11:39he would maybe wait a week or two to get the news that he was actually

1:11:39 > 1:11:43out and Dean signed out of prison and he is free, he's actually out of

1:11:43 > 1:11:47that prison for good, that's just the most phenomenal, phenomenal news

1:11:47 > 1:11:55I could ever have.Tell us exactly how that conversation went between

1:11:55 > 1:11:59you and Billy.It was a private number that court. We've had a lot

1:11:59 > 1:12:02of press calling this morning. I just presumed it was another phone

1:12:02 > 1:12:10call. And then it was his amazing voice on the end of the phone. He

1:12:10 > 1:12:17just said hello, and I screamed down the phone! Then he said, I'm out,

1:12:17 > 1:12:25and I said, I know, I know! But William was at nursery, so he didn't

1:12:25 > 1:12:30speak to him just yet. He was just asking how everything went

1:12:30 > 1:12:34yesterday, if he knew when he would be flying home, which, at this

1:12:34 > 1:12:38point, we don't yet know, so just trying to figure out logistics, as

1:12:38 > 1:12:46well, of hal he will get somewhere to stay, if he can get clothes and

1:12:46 > 1:12:50money, so we're just looking into sorting all that out just now.Your

1:12:50 > 1:12:55mind must be spinning with excitement and trying to sort out

1:12:55 > 1:12:59logistics and goodness knows what. I want to bring in Joanne. She was

1:12:59 > 1:13:02beaming, listening to what you were saying. Have you managed to speak to

1:13:02 > 1:13:09your brother?Yes, he called a couple of hours ago. I have actually

1:13:09 > 1:13:15seen a picture on Twitter from a reporter that is over in India of

1:13:15 > 1:13:22John in a car leaving the prison which is very exciting to see. It

1:13:22 > 1:13:26was a very quick conversation. He spoke to my mum and dad, as well.

1:13:26 > 1:13:29I've only got the end of the conversation, which was quite

1:13:29 > 1:13:34logistical. We were talking about where they were going to be staying,

1:13:34 > 1:13:38how he gets his belongings back which were being held by a friend in

1:13:38 > 1:13:42India, and just trying to discuss what is going to happen here and

1:13:42 > 1:13:48now, today. We didn't discuss anything about coming home. But I'm

1:13:48 > 1:13:51hoping, once he gets a good meal into him and a comfortable bed, we

1:13:51 > 1:13:56can have a proper conversation.Do you remember getting match reports

1:13:56 > 1:14:02from the British Consulate and the embassy to sort out those logistics?

1:14:02 > 1:14:07We know it was a British consular staff who escorted them out of

1:14:07 > 1:14:10prison this morning and arranged for cars to collect them and take them

1:14:10 > 1:14:17to the Deputy High Commission. And I believe that they are assisting in

1:14:17 > 1:14:22sorting out on -- accommodation for the men which is also being assisted

1:14:22 > 1:14:28by the Mission To Seafarers a charity that has helped enormously

1:14:28 > 1:14:33over the last few years. They are very involved in this, they are on

1:14:33 > 1:14:39the ground in GNI to help coordinate support for the men. Obviously they

1:14:39 > 1:14:44have been held in prison for two years. And ecstatic as we are now at

1:14:44 > 1:14:49them being released, there are going to be emotional issues around that

1:14:49 > 1:14:54and it will be difficult for them to adapt. And, as well, it is not the

1:14:54 > 1:14:57case of coming on a plane straight home, in which case they would be

1:14:57 > 1:15:02ecstatic. They are going to have to stay in India whilst the paperwork

1:15:02 > 1:15:06gets sorted. That's quite difficult for them, because they have done

1:15:06 > 1:15:10that before in 2014, they were released and then had to stay in

1:15:10 > 1:15:15India. It is good to know that they have the support of our lawyers and

1:15:15 > 1:15:22hopefully the Foreign Office and the Mission To Seafarers as well.I hope

1:15:22 > 1:15:25that they can speak to your respective fiance and brother when

1:15:25 > 1:15:31they are back at home in the UK. Thank you for speaking to us.

1:15:31 > 1:15:34We'll be speaking to the father of Lauri Love -

1:15:34 > 1:15:37the 32-year-old who's wanted in the States on charges

1:15:37 > 1:15:38of computer hacking.

1:15:38 > 1:15:42He's afraid his son will take his own life if he loses his appeal.

1:15:42 > 1:15:44A group of housing activists is targeting landlords

1:15:44 > 1:15:46across the UK, who it says are exploiting vulnerable

1:15:46 > 1:15:49people with poor housing.

1:15:49 > 1:15:53Acorn is a union for tenants who rent privately.

1:15:53 > 1:15:57They say enough is enough and that renters should no longer have to put

1:15:57 > 1:16:00up with poor sub-standard housing and treatment.

1:16:00 > 1:16:03They use direct action to tackle what they see as bad landlords.

1:16:03 > 1:16:06But are they encouraging people to stand up for their rights or taking

1:16:06 > 1:16:07the law into its own hands?

1:16:07 > 1:16:09We bought you Andy Smythe's full report earlier.

1:16:09 > 1:16:11Here's a short extract.

1:16:22 > 1:16:27This is one of the founders of Acorn.We felt there was a need for

1:16:27 > 1:16:31a community organisation that would represent local people on political

1:16:31 > 1:16:33issues, but without being tied to political parties.It has got

1:16:33 > 1:16:37members like the workers union, but Acorn fights for private tenants

1:16:37 > 1:16:41rights. They'll protest. They'll go landlords houses. They'll publicly

1:16:41 > 1:16:47shame them because of what they feel is a housing crisis.

1:16:47 > 1:16:53Rise in rent, poor conditions, evictions, this kind of thing.Calum

1:16:53 > 1:16:57lived in his flat for two years. The aren't is over £500 a month

1:16:57 > 1:17:02including electricity and water, but he says there has been a catalogue

1:17:02 > 1:17:06of problem.Boiler. Electric, front door.You have had no front door?

1:17:06 > 1:17:11The three basics. I have never had a front door since I have been here.

1:17:11 > 1:17:16The mould situation is probably not good for us. That's the lovely black

1:17:16 > 1:17:21mould. If you look on the ceiling, right, where the mould is, look, is

1:17:21 > 1:17:26where the water is pooling, but not sitting on the joistss.His landlord

1:17:26 > 1:17:30says the door is fixed and he wants to repair the rest, but workmen are

1:17:30 > 1:17:36refusing to do it until Calum cleans up. He contacted Acorn who pressured

1:17:36 > 1:17:42the landlord over repairs. Today though, it's a Amina who needs help.

1:17:42 > 1:17:46She is a working mother of four who lives in this house. What are the

1:17:46 > 1:17:53biggest problems?The biggest problem is damp and the mice walking

1:17:53 > 1:17:56on the walls and the kitchen is the worst.You have mice in your

1:17:56 > 1:18:04kitchen?In the kitchen and they live in the sleep rooms.Tell me how

1:18:04 > 1:18:10much you pay for your house every month?I pay £850.Acorn are going

1:18:10 > 1:18:15out to the landlord's home to deliver him a letter.Ask them to

1:18:15 > 1:18:18appoint qualified, independent damp specialists and contractors to fix

1:18:18 > 1:18:25other outstanding issues. We want it booked by Monday.Amina has fought

1:18:25 > 1:18:35this for two years. Her friend as the same landlord, same problems.

1:18:35 > 1:18:43They say he's not here yet.Can you come and take the letter for me?

1:18:43 > 1:18:46What does collective action mean? Does it mean taking the law into

1:18:46 > 1:18:52your own hands?It means acting together in support of a particular

1:18:52 > 1:18:55individual or with where people have got a similar problem, acting

1:18:55 > 1:18:59together to solve it. It doesn't mean breaking the law.Do you want

1:18:59 > 1:19:06to speak to the police?Not particularly, no.Amina's landlord

1:19:06 > 1:19:13says almost all his tenants are happy. While he and other landlords

1:19:13 > 1:19:17may agree with Acorn's point, it is the way the group makes it that they

1:19:17 > 1:19:21have an issue with.

1:19:21 > 1:19:22Let's talk to Richard Blanco.

1:19:22 > 1:19:25He's a landlord and a member of the National Landlords Association.

1:19:25 > 1:19:30He has some concerns over the tactics used by Acorn.

1:19:30 > 1:19:32Maryam Wright is 26 and has only ever lived

1:19:32 > 1:19:35in privately rented houses, often she says in poor conditions.

1:19:35 > 1:19:36She's become a member of Acorn in Sheffield.

1:19:36 > 1:19:39Stuart Melvin is one of the few paid employees of Acorn

1:19:39 > 1:19:41and he's based in Bristol.

1:19:41 > 1:19:46Thank you for speaking to us. Richard, I want to talk to you, you

1:19:46 > 1:19:52were watching the film intently there. Do you understand some of the

1:19:52 > 1:19:55frustrations of tenants?I am appalled to see those poor

1:19:55 > 1:19:59conditions. Landlords need to maintain their asset and they need

1:19:59 > 1:20:05to provide a good home for tenants and the vast majority do, it is a

1:20:05 > 1:20:08small minority that allow their properties to get into that kind of

1:20:08 > 1:20:13condition. I support the fact that Acorn st acting on behalf of tenants

1:20:13 > 1:20:17to get the problems resolved. Local authorities, of course, have the

1:20:17 > 1:20:21legitimate powers to bring enforcement action and deal with

1:20:21 > 1:20:24landlords to awho allow their properties to get into that

1:20:24 > 1:20:27condition. It is important that Acorn work alongside the local

1:20:27 > 1:20:35authority.I want to bring Mariam in. You're 26 and always lived in

1:20:35 > 1:20:38print rented accommodation. Give us a sense of some of the worst

1:20:38 > 1:20:43instances you have had and the worst housing you have had?So, I know

1:20:43 > 1:20:48Richard said that it is a small minority of landlords who don't

1:20:48 > 1:20:52adhere to what we would say homes that would be fit for human

1:20:52 > 1:20:59habitation. I rented all my life and I can say the honest truth is that

1:20:59 > 1:21:02it has been an overwhelmingly negative experience. We have lived

1:21:02 > 1:21:06in houses where, you saw some of the clips, where the houses have got

1:21:06 > 1:21:11mould. The lady that said had mice. These are typical standards of

1:21:11 > 1:21:15housing that available for families. So not just young individuals like

1:21:15 > 1:21:19myself, but growing up, those are the kind of houses that I lived in.

1:21:19 > 1:21:24We were subject to harassment from landlords. Illegal evictions,

1:21:24 > 1:21:30perfectly legal evictions as well also. These sort of experiences,

1:21:30 > 1:21:34that lady there, as she said earlier in the clip, she pays £850 for that

1:21:34 > 1:21:39house. Would you say Richard that £850, you know, is perfectly

1:21:39 > 1:21:46reasonable to live in a house where you have mice and damp?No, I

1:21:46 > 1:21:50wouldn't, of course, not, no. I think it should be resolved. I

1:21:50 > 1:21:53certainly wouldn't let a property like that to a tenant.However,

1:21:53 > 1:21:57that's the norm. This is the norm that faces families. So it is quite

1:21:57 > 1:22:00unusual for me growing up. A lot of my friends did not live in housing

1:22:00 > 1:22:04like that. They were fortunate to have families who could afford to

1:22:04 > 1:22:10buy and get on the property ladder. Unfortunately, my family were not

1:22:10 > 1:22:14able to do so and they were subject, they were vulnerable, even though

1:22:14 > 1:22:19they were hard-working and earning wages which should be of living

1:22:19 > 1:22:21standard, but unfortunately, especially now where rents are

1:22:21 > 1:22:26rising ever more, these are the sort of standards that we are facing.

1:22:26 > 1:22:31Yes, I would certainly say, you know, to any landlords watching this

1:22:31 > 1:22:34programme who have properties like that in a poor condition, what they

1:22:34 > 1:22:38are is poor business people. They are doing a disservice to their

1:22:38 > 1:22:41tenants and they need to get their heads around the standards required

1:22:41 > 1:22:45and need to join a landlord association like the national

1:22:45 > 1:22:48landlords association and run a better business and provide a better

1:22:48 > 1:22:52product for their tenants. Tenants will be happier and stay longer.

1:22:52 > 1:22:56Over 80% of tenants say they are happy with their private rented

1:22:56 > 1:23:01accommodation. So, but I am aware... Our voices are not heard. So, for

1:23:01 > 1:23:06this reason, we need organisations like Acorn because it's time that we

1:23:06 > 1:23:09got off the sofa, no more sofa politics, it is time people who

1:23:09 > 1:23:13rent, don't be ashamed, you know, I was ashamed growing up. I don't like

1:23:13 > 1:23:18to think about the experiences that I had as a child. It was

1:23:18 > 1:23:21embarrassing having friends coming over and you know the state of our

1:23:21 > 1:23:27homes. This was no fault of moo parents. The landlords would fail to

1:23:27 > 1:23:31take the proper action to fix broken boilers. Sometimes we would go

1:23:31 > 1:23:36without heating for months. We would boil the kettle for baths. This is

1:23:36 > 1:23:41the 21st century. It is time renting was brought in line with the 21st

1:23:41 > 1:23:45century.Let's bring in Stewart. I want to get his prospective on this.

1:23:45 > 1:23:49As I said in the introduction, he is one of the few paid employees of

1:23:49 > 1:23:55Acorn based in Bristol. I think few people watching this would disagree

1:23:55 > 1:24:01that the landlords who rent out filthy, mouldy, smelly, horrible

1:24:01 > 1:24:04properties shouldn't be held to account, but are you the people to

1:24:04 > 1:24:09do it? Shouldn't this be done through the council?I agree it

1:24:09 > 1:24:13should be done through the council. We have got a situation nationally

1:24:13 > 1:24:16where the regulations aren't tight enough and they are not enforced

1:24:16 > 1:24:20well enough. Connells are facing constricted budget and austerity. So

1:24:20 > 1:24:24often what we are actually doing is representing our members and

1:24:24 > 1:24:26highlighting and working in partnership with the local authority

1:24:26 > 1:24:30to highlight the worst landlords in the areas and then also holding the

1:24:30 > 1:24:33local authority to account and expecting them to carry out then

1:24:33 > 1:24:37forcement work.We spoke to a landlord who in the past has been

1:24:37 > 1:24:41subject to some of the direct action from one of Acorn's groups and they

1:24:41 > 1:24:44told us they felt going round to their house was intimidating as they

1:24:44 > 1:24:48had a good reputation in the city where they operate. So, is it fair

1:24:48 > 1:24:57to turn up on the doorstep of a landlord and harass them?Is it fair

1:24:57 > 1:25:01for a tenant to be harassed. Is it fair for a tenant to call their

1:25:01 > 1:25:06landlord and say I need this repair fixing and be ignored? Is that fair?

1:25:06 > 1:25:10Where are the resources where if you have a problem with your landlord,

1:25:10 > 1:25:15who do you turn to? Because that's the question I have faced...Two

1:25:15 > 1:25:20wrongs don't make a right. Wouldn't it be better to work with them?The

1:25:20 > 1:25:26balance of power...Isn't it a danger you get on such a bad

1:25:26 > 1:25:30relationship with your landlord, it coo colead to an eviction which is

1:25:30 > 1:25:35worse for the tenant?We have been dealing with that landlord for over

1:25:35 > 1:25:40two years and the local authority have been dealing with that landlord

1:25:40 > 1:25:44for two years. They are refusing to work, not only with us, but with the

1:25:44 > 1:25:46local authority and they are refusing to live up to the

1:25:46 > 1:25:50standards. In erms it of evictions, we are campaigning to get rid of the

1:25:50 > 1:25:54section 21 which allows the easy evictions. Your programme has

1:25:54 > 1:25:58covered the homelessness and the rise of homelessness that's caused

1:25:58 > 1:26:01by evictions in the private rented sector and again it is the same

1:26:01 > 1:26:04landlords that are kicking people out for either asserting their

1:26:04 > 1:26:09rights or because the landlords want to raise the rent.Renting is

1:26:09 > 1:26:12vulnerable. We are talking about homes. These are places that when

1:26:12 > 1:26:16you finish work, when you finish school, you come home to, to these

1:26:16 > 1:26:20issues. That you're constantly living with them. We are talking

1:26:20 > 1:26:26about people's lives here. Their living standards. We are talking

1:26:26 > 1:26:30about homes and you know, often your landlords, they don't want to work

1:26:30 > 1:26:34with you or listen, the amount of times a landlord has given me a

1:26:34 > 1:26:39reason as to why they were not fix something or why it is going to take

1:26:39 > 1:26:43two or three weeks for a boiler to be fixed. These are homes. Homes for

1:26:43 > 1:26:49people. People like me, who earn a good living and deserve, we deserve

1:26:49 > 1:26:51better, the renting community deserve better.

1:26:51 > 1:26:56We are not getting it.I understand your frustration with those kinds of

1:26:56 > 1:27:00landlords that are behaving badly. The Government is bringing in are

1:27:00 > 1:27:05you lations. Therele be a redress scheme. The local authorities are

1:27:05 > 1:27:09having powers...Local authorities don't have the resources, they may

1:27:09 > 1:27:15have the powers, but don't have the resources, cuts meant cuts to

1:27:15 > 1:27:18environmentalal officers. The resources aren't there even if the

1:27:18 > 1:27:24powers are.It is true. Sometimes tenants behave badly as well. So,

1:27:24 > 1:27:28you know, I think there is lots of scope for landlords and tenants to

1:27:28 > 1:27:31work together on some of these problems and the important point

1:27:31 > 1:27:36here is that, you know, a big part of being a landlord is communicating

1:27:36 > 1:27:39well with your tenant and having a good relationship with them and

1:27:39 > 1:27:44anything we can do to encourage landlords to do that is good work.

1:27:44 > 1:27:48I'm glad to hear Richard say that. One of the problems we have

1:27:48 > 1:27:53nationally is the legislation is not being enforced. We have to

1:27:53 > 1:27:57understand the regulation is being brought in as a result of the

1:27:57 > 1:28:00increasing tenant activism across the country, organisations like

1:28:00 > 1:28:06Acorn and our allies.Richard, do you think there could be a time when

1:28:06 > 1:28:12the landlords association could work alongside Acorn to reduce the heat

1:28:12 > 1:28:18out of this and actually get better homes for the likes of Mariam, but

1:28:18 > 1:28:22in a less confrontational way?We have worked with Acorn in Bristol to

1:28:22 > 1:28:27develop a standard for housing in that area. I'm keen to work with

1:28:27 > 1:28:31Acorn and any other tenants organisations like that to improve

1:28:31 > 1:28:34standards in the private rented sector. We have a lot in common. I

1:28:34 > 1:28:38don't want the bad landlords to get away with it. I want them to be

1:28:38 > 1:28:41brought to task by lortsz and there is a problem that local authorities

1:28:41 > 1:28:46don't have enough resources.Thank you all for speaking to us today.

1:28:46 > 1:28:54Thank you for coming in, Richard.

1:28:54 > 1:29:01Some pictures of Pope Francis who is visiting Myanmar. We will bring you

1:29:01 > 1:29:09more on this before 11am. He also met the country's military leaders

1:29:09 > 1:29:15earlier on as well. Now, let me bring you this which is

1:29:15 > 1:29:23just reaching us as well. The ex-coronation star Bruno Langley who

1:29:23 > 1:29:27is 34, pleaded guilty at Manchester imagine straitsz court to sexually

1:29:27 > 1:29:32assaulting two women at a Manchester music venue on 1st October. That

1:29:32 > 1:29:41news just reaching us that the ex-Coronation Street star Bruno

1:29:41 > 1:29:47Langley has pleaded guilty to sexually assaulting two women at a

1:29:47 > 1:29:55Manchester music venue on 1st October.

1:29:55 > 1:30:00Is there are enough support for new mums suffering with mental health

1:30:00 > 1:30:04issues? We will speak to three mothers who suffered with depression

1:30:04 > 1:30:08and anxiety and find out what they need -- what they think needs to

1:30:08 > 1:30:21change.Time for the latest news now with ritual.

1:30:21 > 1:30:22-- Rachel.

1:30:22 > 1:30:25New measures are to be introduced to reduce the number of deaths

1:30:25 > 1:30:27and serious injuries during childbirth in England.

1:30:27 > 1:30:29For the first time, parents of stillborn babies

1:30:29 > 1:30:31are to be routinely offered an independent investigation

1:30:31 > 1:30:32into what went wrong.

1:30:32 > 1:30:34The UK has already reduced the mortality rate for babies

1:30:34 > 1:30:37but still lags behind many other European countries.

1:30:37 > 1:30:39More details of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle's wedding

1:30:39 > 1:30:41are expected to be announced today.

1:30:41 > 1:30:44The Archbishop of Canterbury has indicated

1:30:44 > 1:30:47the couple will have a church wedding, saying the pair had

1:30:47 > 1:30:51"chosen to make their vows to God" in a religious ceremony.

1:30:51 > 1:30:55The couple announced their engagement yesterday.

1:30:55 > 1:30:58The main airport on the Indonesian island of Bali has been closed

1:30:58 > 1:31:03for a second day amid concerns of an imminent volcanic eruption.

1:31:03 > 1:31:06Massive plumes of smoke and ash have been spewing out of Mount Agung

1:31:06 > 1:31:10over the past few days.

1:31:10 > 1:31:13Up to 100,000 people have been ordered to evacuate the vicinity.

1:31:13 > 1:31:16Hundreds of flights were cancelled and thousands of travellers

1:31:16 > 1:31:26were stranded after the airport was initially closed on Monday.

1:31:27 > 1:31:32Here's some sport now with Jess.

1:31:32 > 1:31:35Some headlines this morning. England all-rounder Ben Stokes could be

1:31:35 > 1:31:39playing cricket in New Zealand within the next few days after talks

1:31:39 > 1:31:42with club side, Canterbury. There was speculation on social media he

1:31:42 > 1:31:46was on his way to join the Ashes squad, but the ECB said that is not

1:31:46 > 1:31:50the case and he is visiting family in New Zealand. Former England

1:31:50 > 1:31:54manager Sam Allardyce is the leading contender for the Everton job. He

1:31:54 > 1:31:58was a candidate to take over from Ronald Koeman early on but he

1:31:58 > 1:32:01withdrew after Everton were slow to make an offer. Everton have lost

1:32:01 > 1:32:04five of their last seven games so the search is really becoming

1:32:04 > 1:32:10urgent. Karen Carney has withdrawn from the English squad for the World

1:32:10 > 1:32:14Cup qualifier against Kazakhstan in Colchester after injuring an ankle.

1:32:14 > 1:32:18England have won their first two qualifiers. Veteran forward Chris

1:32:18 > 1:32:22Harrington has been recalled for England for Saturday's Rugby League

1:32:22 > 1:32:25World Cup final against Australia. He played in the first two matches

1:32:25 > 1:32:30and returns to the bench with James Roby starting at hooker. That is all

1:32:30 > 1:32:36the sport for now.

1:32:36 > 1:32:38The family of alleged computer hacker Lauri Love have told

1:32:38 > 1:32:41this programme they fear he would take his own life if sent

1:32:41 > 1:32:43to the US to face charges.

1:32:43 > 1:32:47The 32-year-old will be at the High Court later this week

1:32:47 > 1:32:49to appeal an order - signed by the Home Secretary -

1:32:49 > 1:32:51extraditing him to the United States.

1:32:51 > 1:32:52He's accused of hacking into agencies including

1:32:52 > 1:32:58the Federal Reserve, Nasa and the US Army.

1:32:58 > 1:33:02His supporters say if Lauri Love, who has Asperger's syndrome,

1:33:02 > 1:33:05is convicted he could face a 99-year sentence for a crime that British

1:33:05 > 1:33:07authorities investigated and decided not to charge him for.

1:33:07 > 1:33:09This was Lauri speaking last year to Victoria.

1:33:11 > 1:33:15The legal experts from the United States have calculated

1:33:15 > 1:33:18that I could be facing up to 99 years if there are three

1:33:18 > 1:33:21trials and the charges are presented in a certain way.

1:33:21 > 1:33:23The Department of Justice then makes an offer where they'll present

1:33:23 > 1:33:25different charges and they'll recommend a lower sentence,

1:33:25 > 1:33:28and the problem is 19 out of 20 people take this offer.

1:33:28 > 1:33:30I think that maybe demonstrates that there's some

1:33:30 > 1:33:31problems with that system.

1:33:31 > 1:33:33Why?

1:33:33 > 1:33:36Because if 19 out of 20 people never have a trial,

1:33:36 > 1:33:38I'm not sure if that's really due process, I'm not sure

1:33:38 > 1:33:39if it's really justice.

1:33:39 > 1:33:42Can you get your head round this figure of 99 years?

1:33:42 > 1:33:46It's quite absurd.

1:33:46 > 1:33:50I mean, any more than a few decades, you don't really see an end to it,

1:33:50 > 1:33:52and because there's very poor conditions in US prisons, people

1:33:52 > 1:33:55with mental health difficulties, I think that I would be at risk

1:33:55 > 1:34:02of dying in an unfortunate way.

1:34:02 > 1:34:05Lauri's father Alexander joins us now.

1:34:05 > 1:34:08Also on the line from Texas is Barrett Brown, a journalist

1:34:08 > 1:34:11who spent more than three years in prison for computer hacking.

1:34:11 > 1:34:15He was released a year ago this week.

1:34:15 > 1:34:21Thank you for coming in to speak to us. First, tell us why you think

1:34:21 > 1:34:24Lauri should be tried in the UK rather than being extradited to the

1:34:24 > 1:34:31US?Basically because my son has told me on more than one occasion he

1:34:31 > 1:34:35has no intention of going to America. I said what happens if I

1:34:35 > 1:34:39cannot stop the process, and he said, I will take my life so it is a

1:34:39 > 1:34:42choice between being tried here or killing himself. And I can tell you

1:34:42 > 1:34:48with some authority of someone is determined to kill themselves they

1:34:48 > 1:34:51will achieve that goal and nothing you could do could ever stop that.

1:34:51 > 1:34:55So I believe that Lauri should be tried here. We are not trying to

1:34:55 > 1:34:59avoid facing the music, we just want a British band to play the music and

1:34:59 > 1:35:03four Lauri to go through due process. We have very good courts

1:35:03 > 1:35:08who are more than able to prosecute Lauri.Can you understand why the US

1:35:08 > 1:35:13authorities want him tried in the US? If there was a computer hacker

1:35:13 > 1:35:17as we saw against the NHS, people would want to see justice served in

1:35:17 > 1:35:22this country. Doesn't the US have the right to do that, also?The

1:35:22 > 1:35:27Americans apparently have the right to do whatever they like. And they

1:35:27 > 1:35:35are in sensing to oppose a pax Americana on the world. The only

1:35:35 > 1:35:38person who has never been indicted on computer hacking. Consistently

1:35:38 > 1:35:42over the last few years we have always prosecuted in this country.

1:35:42 > 1:35:46If there is a special relationship between here and America, if they

1:35:46 > 1:35:49are our closest ally, they should trust us to have the competence to

1:35:49 > 1:35:53actually deal with this matter on their behalf.I want to bring in

1:35:53 > 1:35:58Barrett to speak to us. Barrett, it is almost a year to the day since

1:35:58 > 1:36:04you were released from prison for hacking in the US. Give is a sense

1:36:04 > 1:36:09of what conditions were like inside prison, because this is the real

1:36:09 > 1:36:15concern for Lauri, should he be extradited to the US.The thing

1:36:15 > 1:36:18about the US justice system and prison system is that it is very

1:36:18 > 1:36:30easy for the British to think of it as relatively civilised with

1:36:30 > 1:36:38benevolence and although we drive some structure from England, this is

1:36:38 > 1:36:41an evolving system, I'm speaking from experience and repeating what

1:36:41 > 1:36:53others have said. Newspapers, everyone agrees that the prison

1:36:53 > 1:37:01system is devoid of due process. That something so while I was

1:37:01 > 1:37:05inside. What were conditions like for you inside? Lauri like me and

1:37:05 > 1:37:09everyone else will be subject to a lack of due process for the most

1:37:09 > 1:37:17part. Whatever particular difficulties arise and these will

1:37:17 > 1:37:20arise for anyone, much less someone who has a physical or mental health

1:37:20 > 1:37:25problem, he will find that he is not able to challenge those conditions

1:37:25 > 1:37:35in the courts. So for instance, if you are having a retaliation issue

1:37:35 > 1:37:40contrary to the prison 's own rules you will be given a form and a

1:37:40 > 1:37:45prison in concert with the regional and national authorities will stymie

1:37:45 > 1:37:48that process, they will violate it over and over again knowing full

1:37:48 > 1:37:53well that they can. There are any number of things that can go wrong

1:37:53 > 1:37:58in particular for someone who is seen as a whistle-blower, seen as an

1:37:58 > 1:38:01activist, someone who goes after the secrets of governments and

1:38:01 > 1:38:08challenges them. Those people suffer particular retaliation. I suffered

1:38:08 > 1:38:16six months total in over six months without the proper documentation and

1:38:16 > 1:38:22protocols, all this in retaliation for my work as a columnist.Let me

1:38:22 > 1:38:26bring Alexander back in. We heard Victoria when she was talking to

1:38:26 > 1:38:30Lauri about this 99 year sentence. If there was a plea bargain that

1:38:30 > 1:38:35could go down to between 2-10 years. Some people suggesting, why doesn't

1:38:35 > 1:38:44he just agree that?Do realise, with respect, how absurd that is, that is

1:38:44 > 1:38:49like the authorities saying we will lock you up and 99 years if you try

1:38:49 > 1:38:55to contest our evidence against you, or if you say we will only have two

1:38:55 > 1:38:59years. That is not justice, that is threatening. That is extracting some

1:38:59 > 1:39:05sort of penalty by threatening somebody do something awful. That is

1:39:05 > 1:39:09not the way... In this country, the DNA of our justice system is

1:39:09 > 1:39:12predicated on the idea of an appropriate punishment for

1:39:12 > 1:39:17particular crime. We don't work on the basis of this big massive

1:39:17 > 1:39:21sentence, then people. Committing crime. The American system isn't

1:39:21 > 1:39:27like that. It believes in a punitive justice, a kind of revenge on

1:39:27 > 1:39:30certain people. And it would appear that this hacking thing is

1:39:30 > 1:39:37particularly worrying, because when 9/11 took Place, and illustration,

1:39:37 > 1:39:39there were two federal jurisdictions, New York and

1:39:39 > 1:39:45Virginia, where things took place. The American government announced

1:39:45 > 1:39:48that if there was ever a trial it will only be in New York. The

1:39:48 > 1:39:54Americans have been vindictive. They want to put my son on trial in three

1:39:54 > 1:39:57separate states because three separate computer servers were

1:39:57 > 1:40:01involved, and that is observed. Thank you both for keeping -- for

1:40:01 > 1:40:13coming in to speak to us today. We are going to cost a mere man now. --

1:40:13 > 1:40:19cross to Myanmar now. He's going to meet Aung San Suu Kyi to discuss the

1:40:19 > 1:40:24plight of Rainier Muslims during his talks.

1:40:24 > 1:40:27Next this morning: more than a third of mums have experienced mental

1:40:27 > 1:40:30health issues like postpartum depression, acute stress,

1:40:30 > 1:40:32and severe anxiety in the wake of giving birth.

1:40:32 > 1:40:34That's according to an online survey by Radio 5Live

1:40:34 > 1:40:37and yougov which also found more than two-thirds of those have

1:40:37 > 1:40:38sought professional help.

1:40:38 > 1:40:40But is there enough support support for mums experiencing problems?

1:40:40 > 1:40:43We can talk now to Camilla Woolgar a mum of two who suffered

1:40:43 > 1:40:45from anxiety and post-natal depression,

1:40:45 > 1:40:47Sally Bunkham also a mum of two, who's post-natal depression got

1:40:47 > 1:40:51so bad she was self-harming, and

1:40:51 > 1:40:56Emily Tredget a mum-of-one whose depression started soon after birth.

1:40:56 > 1:41:04Thank you all for coming in to talk to us. First of all, I don't know

1:41:04 > 1:41:08how -- to each of you are, so I will just look nicely at you and you can

1:41:08 > 1:41:13share your stories. Camilla. Good to meet you. You started getting

1:41:13 > 1:41:18anxious, is that the best way to describe it, during your second

1:41:18 > 1:41:23pregnancy?After I had my second son, I started feeling a sort of ill

1:41:23 > 1:41:32will and becoming anxious and that, over time, got worse. And just

1:41:32 > 1:41:38acknowledging those feelings, I expected to be a happy mum and

1:41:38 > 1:41:46everything to be perfect. And when my son was about two years old, I

1:41:46 > 1:41:58really developed a depression and severe anxiety.Emily? Your

1:41:58 > 1:42:09experience. You had the symptoms that many ex-dash-mac that many

1:42:09 > 1:42:12people associated with postnatal depression, is that right?I had

1:42:12 > 1:42:19anxiety whilst I was pregnant but I didn't realise at the time, I had

1:42:19 > 1:42:23depression, on and off for the best part of two years of my son's life.

1:42:23 > 1:42:30I had chronic insomnia. I was sleeping when are night, even though

1:42:30 > 1:42:35he slept really, really well. Obviously it was very difficult to

1:42:35 > 1:42:45work life out when you're having that little sleep. I went from being

1:42:45 > 1:42:47an extroverted, confident, career driven woman to a mother who was

1:42:47 > 1:42:51scared to go out and see friends, even have them round for coffee, and

1:42:51 > 1:42:58I found it really tough.Stay with us, we adjusting to break into this

1:42:58 > 1:43:03conversation, because Bob Francis, of course is visiting me and mah. He

1:43:03 > 1:43:09is meeting the de facto leader, Aung San Suu Kyi -- the Pope is visiting

1:43:09 > 1:43:16Myanmar. Let's have a listen into what she has to say.A compassionate

1:43:16 > 1:43:20and generous people, always ready to hold out a helping hand to those in

1:43:20 > 1:43:29need. People strong and skilled and holy spirit. Your Holiness, the

1:43:29 > 1:43:32children of your church in this country are also the children of

1:43:32 > 1:43:38Myanmar, loved and cherished. We thank them, as we thank U, for

1:43:38 > 1:43:43praying for our nation and all the peoples of the world. The road ahead

1:43:43 > 1:43:48is long but we will walk it with confidence, trusting in the power of

1:43:48 > 1:43:57peace, love and joy. I thank you all.

1:43:57 > 1:44:07APPLAUSE

1:44:18 > 1:44:30Thank you, Excellencies...It is with great honour that we invite His

1:44:30 > 1:44:45Holiness Pope prices to deliver a message of peace. -- Pope Francis.

1:44:48 > 1:44:54This is Pope Francis who is visiting Myanmar. We have heard from Aung San

1:44:54 > 1:44:58Suu Kyi, the de facto leader of the country. She has made an address.

1:44:58 > 1:45:09Now we can listen to Pope Francis.

1:45:50 > 1:45:54So that is Pope Francis making an address in Myanmar. We were

1:45:54 > 1:45:57expecting an English translation, but it is clearly apparent we're not

1:45:57 > 1:46:02going to get that. Of course, many people watching that situation in

1:46:02 > 1:46:09Myanmar because, of course, there has been a huge crisis with Rohingya

1:46:09 > 1:46:13Muslims fleeing from Myanmar and heading to Bangladesh. Many people

1:46:13 > 1:46:18asking whether he is going to raise that issue with Aung San Suu Kyi, of

1:46:18 > 1:46:23course, who won the Nobel Peace Prize. Many people unhappy that she

1:46:23 > 1:46:27hasn't acted accordingly to stop that crisis and stop the per cushion

1:46:27 > 1:46:31of so many Rohingya Muslims. A couple of guests have come in to

1:46:31 > 1:46:41join us in the studio here to talk about this trip by Pope Francis.

1:46:41 > 1:46:43We can speak now to Baroness Manzila Pola Uddin,

1:46:43 > 1:46:46the UK's first female Muslim peer, who returned from seeing the refugee

1:46:46 > 1:46:49camps in Bangladesh two weeks ago.

1:46:49 > 1:46:52And Mark Farmaner, has met Aung San Suu Kyi twice and is part

1:46:52 > 1:46:56of Burma Campaign UK.

1:46:56 > 1:47:03Mark, I want to raise with you if I may the loaded term of Rohingya for

1:47:03 > 1:47:08many people who are inside Myanmar. People who have read about Pope

1:47:08 > 1:47:13Francis' visit will know the senior Catholic cleric in the country urged

1:47:13 > 1:47:17him not to use that term. Can you explain why it is such a loaded term

1:47:17 > 1:47:23in Myanmar?People in Burma reject the Rohingyas as belonging in the

1:47:23 > 1:47:27country. It is a country with many ethnicities and the Government has a

1:47:27 > 1:47:30list of officially recognised ethnic people from the country which the

1:47:30 > 1:47:34Rohingya are not on. So, they are arguing that the Rohingya don't

1:47:34 > 1:47:38belong in the country. They are illegal immigrants from Bangladesh

1:47:38 > 1:47:42and so they won't accept them as an ethnic group so the use of the word

1:47:42 > 1:47:46Rohingya in Burma, where there are many ethnic groups, some of them

1:47:46 > 1:47:50have been fighting for their rights as well, is a very loaded term for

1:47:50 > 1:47:56them. It means, they feel that if they accept the Rohingya as an

1:47:56 > 1:47:59ethnic group, they are accepting that they have a right to be in the

1:47:59 > 1:48:04country.Many of us have watched the awful pictures of Rohingya Muslims

1:48:04 > 1:48:08fleeing into Bangladesh, but for you, to witness it first hand must

1:48:08 > 1:48:11have been something entirely different. I know that we can have a

1:48:11 > 1:48:23look at some of what you witnessed and what you saw on your visit.

1:48:23 > 1:48:30Oh, God, what has happened to humanity?

1:48:30 > 1:48:33I just feel really disgusted.

1:48:33 > 1:48:39Hundreds of thousands of people are negotiating this made up steps.

1:48:39 > 1:48:45They are very extremely vulnerable in many cases.

1:48:45 > 1:48:54You can see just for a bag of rice or one of the

1:48:54 > 1:48:56bamboo sticks that they had to pick up.

1:48:56 > 1:48:59Just so that they can make something of a shelter.

1:48:59 > 1:49:03And, actually, I just feel utterly gutted

1:49:03 > 1:49:06that we can do something about this in this century for humanity,

1:49:06 > 1:49:12because there is no humanity left in this place.

1:49:12 > 1:49:17And there are a surprising order, in the way that

1:49:17 > 1:49:24people are behaving.

1:49:24 > 1:49:26I don't know whether it is because they know that

1:49:26 > 1:49:34people live here, or they have been told to behave, it's...

1:49:34 > 1:49:38It's simply that they've been through such

1:49:38 > 1:49:48brutality that they find this to be a heaven in some meaningless way.

1:49:49 > 1:49:52Which is making more sense to them now than where they have come from

1:49:52 > 1:50:02and what they have experienced.

1:50:04 > 1:50:09It is the Bangladeshi Navy that's distributing, well, that's what it

1:50:09 > 1:50:19says there.

1:50:19 > 1:50:28Unbelievable. Extraordinary.I can tell you, that it is even difficult

1:50:28 > 1:50:31for you to watch that back now?Yes, it is. I recorded that for my

1:50:31 > 1:50:38children. I had to stop as you could see, after a while, I became quite

1:50:38 > 1:50:43emotional. I think that there has been excellent coverage from both

1:50:43 > 1:50:47the BBC, Channel 4, and Sky now and so people have been on the ground as

1:50:47 > 1:50:54we have been on the ground and I think what is happening is beyond

1:50:54 > 1:50:57human endurance and the Bangladesh government is to be commended, of

1:50:57 > 1:51:06course, but they cannot do this alone. We were there with the UNCHR,

1:51:06 > 1:51:10we had three members of Parliament including members of the House of

1:51:10 > 1:51:13Lords and we were staggered at what's required to be done. So I

1:51:13 > 1:51:17think, you know, one, we have a meeting coming up tomorrow. We have

1:51:17 > 1:51:21a debrief and I hope that what our visit will mean is we are very

1:51:21 > 1:51:27alert. There is a debate this afternoon in Westminster Hall and

1:51:27 > 1:51:32we're just calling for international community to continue its commitment

1:51:32 > 1:51:36to ensuring that Burma is made accountable for the hundreds of

1:51:36 > 1:51:39thousands of women who have been raped. I mean in Britain, we have

1:51:39 > 1:51:45said again and again, you know, William Hague, has been, has

1:51:45 > 1:51:50provided enormous amount of leadership saying we will prevent

1:51:50 > 1:51:53all sexual violence, rape and conflict. Yes, it's right in front

1:51:53 > 1:52:00of us and I hope his holiness the Pope will understand the magnitude

1:52:00 > 1:52:05of Aung San Suu Kyi's come plesity to this. As a woman of intellect I

1:52:05 > 1:52:10do not understand having witnessed what I witnessed, how she has

1:52:10 > 1:52:15remained utterly silent and her leadership is culpable and I think

1:52:15 > 1:52:19the international community needs to hold her and Burma accountable. The

1:52:19 > 1:52:24Burmese army accountable. I think we can on one hand in Britain say we do

1:52:24 > 1:52:30not, we want to promote peace, we want to do good governance and then

1:52:30 > 1:52:36at the same time, allow so-called people that we have been friends

1:52:36 > 1:52:40with absolutely arbitrary power to do what they will with human beings.

1:52:40 > 1:52:45They are human beings.Let me read this to you, although we didn't hear

1:52:45 > 1:52:48the Pope's speech in English, we have got a few lines coming through

1:52:48 > 1:52:53on translation. Pope Francis urged healing of wounds in Myanmar saying

1:52:53 > 1:52:57people continue to suffer from conflict and hostilities. He also

1:52:57 > 1:53:01says Myanmar reconciliation must include a commitment to justice and

1:53:01 > 1:53:06respect for human rights. Mark, do you think that goes far enough?It

1:53:06 > 1:53:11doesn't go far enough. The big issue has been whether he use the word

1:53:11 > 1:53:15Rohingya when he is there. That's a sign of how bad things are. We are

1:53:15 > 1:53:19not talking about serious changes in the law that Aung San Suu Kyi has

1:53:19 > 1:53:21kept in place, the repressive laws against the Rohingya, we are not

1:53:21 > 1:53:24talking about accountability for the military, we are talking about

1:53:24 > 1:53:27whether the word Rohingya should be used and if he doesn't use that,

1:53:27 > 1:53:31that will encourage the nationalists, the racists and the

1:53:31 > 1:53:36people who are trying to persecute the Rohingya as a victory.We should

1:53:36 > 1:53:39be talking about making sure that they have full citizens rights

1:53:39 > 1:53:43because if they do not, there is no possibility they will be able to

1:53:43 > 1:53:48return to their country of birth.I think expectations were high for the

1:53:48 > 1:53:51Pope's visit and he could never meet the expectations. What we will need

1:53:51 > 1:53:59to see really is not just the Pope has pone out, the dal ma llama. We

1:53:59 > 1:54:02need to see the international community coming in with stronger

1:54:02 > 1:54:05measures, referring this situation to the International Criminal Court

1:54:05 > 1:54:08and reviewing our relationship with Burma. Aung San Suu Kyi doesn't

1:54:08 > 1:54:12control the military. She can't stop their attacks, but she doesn't have

1:54:12 > 1:54:16to defend and deny these things are taking place and we don't have to

1:54:16 > 1:54:18support her government if she is going to carry on with those

1:54:18 > 1:54:26policies.I am with you 100%.Thank you for speaking to us.

1:54:26 > 1:54:32Let's return to the conversation about mothers experiencing mental

1:54:32 > 1:54:39health problems shortly after childbirth.

1:54:39 > 1:54:41Thank you for waiting patiently while we were talking about there

1:54:41 > 1:54:44about what the Pope had to say on his visit to Myanmar. Emily, you

1:54:44 > 1:54:50were talking about the problems you had with postnatal interesting. What

1:54:50 > 1:54:56was interesting Sally, you almost didn't recognise your postnatal

1:54:56 > 1:55:00depression?The symptoms, I had, I didn't associate with the condition

1:55:00 > 1:55:03at all. I thought postnatal depression was about feeling sad in

1:55:03 > 1:55:07hospital, not bonding with your baby. So when I had symptoms like

1:55:07 > 1:55:14Camilla, later on, I didn't recognise them. I was incredibly

1:55:14 > 1:55:18angry, incredibly frustrated, I didn't have an ability to deal with

1:55:18 > 1:55:24daily chores and it was brought on by my daughter's undiagnosed medical

1:55:24 > 1:55:28condition. She was upset and crying day and night by almost drove me mad

1:55:28 > 1:55:34and again it was sleep deprivation that did it and I was so focussed on

1:55:34 > 1:55:38my babies that I wasn't thinking about me either, when my husband sat

1:55:38 > 1:55:42me down and said enough is enough, you have got to go to the GP. It was

1:55:42 > 1:55:47one of the best things and that really helped my road to recovery.

1:55:47 > 1:55:51I'm interested to hear you say that your husband sat you down. As Emily

1:55:51 > 1:55:55said, you are so sleep deprived and your hormones are over the place. A

1:55:55 > 1:55:58lot of us think this is the way it is, we have got to battle through,

1:55:58 > 1:56:06would you agree with that, Camilla Yes, I think as a mother or even as

1:56:06 > 1:56:10a dad, you set yourself certain expectations. You paint a picture of

1:56:10 > 1:56:14what you would like it to be like. What you would like it to be like

1:56:14 > 1:56:21and you try and live up to those expectations and if they are not

1:56:21 > 1:56:28met, well for myself, I was just kept going and a bit like you, I

1:56:28 > 1:56:32didn't want to acknowledge the feelings I had.Does that feel like

1:56:32 > 1:56:40failure? If you acknowledge that? Yes, I did.Clearly it is notI felt

1:56:40 > 1:56:45that mentally I should be strong enough to overcome the feelings and

1:56:45 > 1:56:51not give into it. Healthiest thing would be to take time, process the

1:56:51 > 1:56:56feelings and just carry on and accept those feelings.I can see

1:56:56 > 1:57:00Emily nodding in the background. The important thing is take time. You

1:57:00 > 1:57:04don't have time when you have a baby, Emily, that's the problem?

1:57:04 > 1:57:08That's the problem. You think that you are the only one and you can't

1:57:08 > 1:57:12look after yourself. Everyone will think you are awful if you are not

1:57:12 > 1:57:17feeling or acting like you should. I really encourage everyone to talk

1:57:17 > 1:57:22about it. The statistics I heard was one in five, you are saying a third

1:57:22 > 1:57:25of people are going through it. As soon as I heard lots of other people

1:57:25 > 1:57:28were going through it as well, I felt so much better and so many of

1:57:28 > 1:57:33my friends talked to me about it because now I do talk openly about

1:57:33 > 1:57:36it with my mummy links business and you just need to know that you're

1:57:36 > 1:57:44not alone. You can get through it u but you do need to look after

1:57:44 > 1:57:50yourself and your baby.If someone is watching and thinking they are

1:57:50 > 1:57:55lonely and frightened, and this resonates with them?For me it was

1:57:55 > 1:57:58my GP. Just going to my GP was fantastic, but there is some

1:57:58 > 1:58:03excellent organisations out there. There is people like the Pandas

1:58:03 > 1:58:08foundation.Even if you talk to your husband.Yes.Listen, thank you for