30/11/2017

0:00:10 > 0:00:12Hello it's Thursday, 30th November, it's 9 o'clock,

0:00:12 > 0:00:15I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.

0:00:15 > 0:00:19After she told him she was wrong for re-tweeting, Donald Trump's hit back

0:00:19 > 0:00:24at Theresa May telling the PM to focus on terrorism, not him. Plenty

0:00:24 > 0:00:27of politicians have criticised the President. Here is what his

0:00:27 > 0:00:31spokeswoman had to say.The threat is real, the threat needs to be

0:00:31 > 0:00:34addressed, the threat has to be talked about. That is what the

0:00:34 > 0:00:39President is doing, in bringing that up.Tell us what you think about

0:00:39 > 0:00:40this diplomatic row.

0:00:40 > 0:00:43Also this morning, we have a special report how thousands of people

0:00:43 > 0:00:45are being threatened with prison every year for not

0:00:45 > 0:00:47paying their council tax.

0:00:47 > 0:00:53One mother tells us how she how she ended up behind bars.

0:00:53 > 0:00:59It was absolutely horrific. I was worrying about the kids and nobody

0:00:59 > 0:01:03can prepare you for it. Nobody could. It doesn't matter how many

0:01:03 > 0:01:06books you might read, it's not what you expect.

0:01:06 > 0:01:12We'll have the full report this hour.

0:01:12 > 0:01:18Plus, in the next hour.I don't even know what to say, man.We'll speak

0:01:18 > 0:01:23to stars at the MOBO music awards about a decision by police in London

0:01:23 > 0:01:28to scrap a controversial risk assessment form for grime artists

0:01:28 > 0:01:33known as form 696.Now I feel like everyone has the Hans to make their

0:01:33 > 0:01:34money and live their life.

0:01:51 > 0:01:55Donald Trump has told Theresa May she should pay more attention to

0:01:55 > 0:01:58tackling terrorism in the UK rather than messaging him. It was delivered

0:01:58 > 0:02:07in a tweet after Downing Street criticised the American President

0:02:07 > 0:02:14for sharing videos. There are calls for Donald Trump's trip to the UK to

0:02:14 > 0:02:22be cancelled. Laura Bicker reports. Any moment now.They may have held

0:02:22 > 0:02:26hands once but this so-called special relationship is now being

0:02:26 > 0:02:31tested by a series of presidential tweets. First, from the account of

0:02:31 > 0:02:35the far right anti-Muslim group called Britain First, Donald Trump

0:02:35 > 0:02:39retweeted three inflammatory videos to his 43 million followers. The

0:02:39 > 0:02:43first claimed incorrectly to show a Muslim migrant attacking a man on

0:02:43 > 0:02:47crutches. When challenged, the White House said the videos might not be

0:02:47 > 0:02:58real but the threat was.

0:03:11 > 0:03:13I think Europe has seen that a lot first-hand and something

0:03:13 > 0:03:16the President wants to continue to talk about and continue to make

0:03:16 > 0:03:17sure that we're dealing with.

0:03:17 > 0:03:21Theresa May is on a tour of the Middle East but her official

0:03:21 > 0:03:23spokesman said the President had been wrong to share the posts.

0:03:23 > 0:03:25It was that condemnation which prompted a Twitter outburst

0:03:25 > 0:03:26from Donald Trump's account.

0:03:26 > 0:03:29He told Theresa May not to focus on him but to focus

0:03:29 > 0:03:31on the destructive radical Islamic terrorism taking

0:03:31 > 0:03:32place within the United Kingdom.

0:03:32 > 0:03:34"We are doing just fine," he said.

0:03:34 > 0:03:36The President has caused diplomatic headaches for the UK several times

0:03:36 > 0:03:37already this year.

0:03:37 > 0:03:40From backing Nigel Farage as an ambassador to Washington,

0:03:40 > 0:03:41to attacking the London Mayor Sadiq Khan,

0:03:41 > 0:03:45all from his favourite social media platform.

0:03:45 > 0:03:48It may be a show of strength for his supporters but it may also

0:03:48 > 0:03:49weaken his position abroad.

0:03:49 > 0:03:55Laura Bicker, BBC News, Washington.

0:03:55 > 0:03:58Norman is at Westminster. What have the British Government said about

0:03:58 > 0:04:02the tweet?There's been a stunned silence from Number Ten because they

0:04:02 > 0:04:06went to bed and all seemed well with the world or not any more chaotic

0:04:06 > 0:04:12than usual. They wake up to find Mrs May being directly attacked and

0:04:12 > 0:04:16criticised by the President. Now, I think that is unprecedented in the

0:04:16 > 0:04:21sense yes we are used to Donald Trump laying waste to all and

0:04:21 > 0:04:25sundry, including other foreign leaders but never to an allie,

0:04:25 > 0:04:29particularly give than we, you know hope, think, believe we have good

0:04:29 > 0:04:34relations with the United States. So there's been no response at all from

0:04:34 > 0:04:38Downing Street and probably won't be until Mrs May has a question and

0:04:38 > 0:04:41answer session in Jordan where she's going to be speaking later this

0:04:41 > 0:04:48afternoon. But there is now massive pressure on her over the state visit

0:04:48 > 0:04:51which yesterday Downing Street were saying was still happening, America

0:04:51 > 0:04:56is an allie, still going ahead. But the level of anger and criticism

0:04:56 > 0:04:59that Donald Trump's tweets have provoked, I mean it stretches across

0:04:59 > 0:05:05the political divide right up into the Cabinet, particularly struck, I

0:05:05 > 0:05:11was, by Sajid Javid's tweet you sent off last night. You get the sense he

0:05:11 > 0:05:18is personally incensed. He said so he's endorsed the views of a vile

0:05:18 > 0:05:21hate-filled racist organisation that hates me and people like me. He is

0:05:21 > 0:05:26wrong and I refuse to let it go and say nothing. You get a real sense of

0:05:26 > 0:05:32his personal anger. Slightly less angry was the Cabinet Minister David

0:05:32 > 0:05:37Gauke this morning but he's normally fairly mild mannered. Even he was

0:05:37 > 0:05:48criticising the President.In normal circumstances, this doesn't normally

0:05:48 > 0:05:52happen, this sort of thing. The President did what he did yesterday,

0:05:52 > 0:05:56in terms of tweeting, re-tweeting Britain First, I think the Prime

0:05:56 > 0:06:01Minister had no choice but to point out that that was wrong. She was

0:06:01 > 0:06:05correct to do so. Of course, we want to have a good relationship with the

0:06:05 > 0:06:11United States. They are our closest security allie, one of our most

0:06:11 > 0:06:14important economic partners and we want to have that close relationship

0:06:14 > 0:06:17and need to engage with the United States, including the President of

0:06:17 > 0:06:22the United States. But when he's got something as badly wrong as he has,

0:06:22 > 0:06:28we are right to call him out on it. Mr Gauke went tonne say he thought

0:06:28 > 0:06:31it might be "educational" for the Prime Minister to come to Britain as

0:06:31 > 0:06:34part of that state visit. Quite apart from the controversy over the

0:06:34 > 0:06:39state visit, this matters because there is a question mark now about

0:06:39 > 0:06:43relations between Mrs May and Donald Trump. Remember, this was sort of a

0:06:43 > 0:06:47key part of Mrs May's sort of diplomatic offensive when she became

0:06:47 > 0:06:51Prime Minister, there was that famous handy-handy moment in the

0:06:51 > 0:06:56White House. Now you wonder, given the President clearly is a man who

0:06:56 > 0:07:04does not take lightly to criticism and seems to bear grudges, whether

0:07:04 > 0:07:08that relationship's been seriously damaged and the potential

0:07:08 > 0:07:11implications then for the post-Brexit world we are about to

0:07:11 > 0:07:16enter and in particular our prospects of getting a trade deal.

0:07:16 > 0:07:21One rast thing - lighter note - the President initially tweeted the

0:07:21 > 0:07:28wrong Theresa May, he tweeted a lady called Theresa Scrimminer who has

0:07:28 > 0:07:32only six followers. I looked a moment ago, she still only has six

0:07:32 > 0:07:37followers. Maybe it will go up during the day.

0:07:38 > 0:07:42It was a question that lots of people asked yesterday, should the

0:07:42 > 0:07:46state visit invitation that's been extended to Mr Trump be rescinded?

0:07:46 > 0:07:51We'll ask it again today. Perhaps it's even more relevant when you

0:07:51 > 0:07:54hear what the Communities Secretary has said about the President of the

0:07:54 > 0:07:57United States. Your own views very welcome. We are obviously going to

0:07:57 > 0:08:01talk a lot more about this in the programme to come in the next half

0:08:01 > 0:08:09hour. The rest of the morning's news now.

0:08:09 > 0:08:13The US has called on China to stop providing crude loyal to North Korea

0:08:13 > 0:08:18in response to its latest test of a ballistic missile. At an emergency

0:08:18 > 0:08:22meeting of the UN Security Council in New York, Washington's ambassador

0:08:22 > 0:08:27to the UN, Nicky Hayley, also urged other nations to cut their trade and

0:08:27 > 0:08:32diplomatic ties with Pyongyang. BBC News understands that a

0:08:32 > 0:08:3724-year-old British man who went to Syria to fight against so-called

0:08:37 > 0:08:42Islamic state, has been killed. Oliver Hall from the Portsmouth area

0:08:42 > 0:08:47is the seventh British volunteer to have died in the country having

0:08:47 > 0:08:52joined a Kurdish militia. Plans to get an extra one million disabled

0:08:52 > 0:08:56people into work will be published by the government today. Disabled

0:08:56 > 0:09:00people remain significantly less likely to be in employment than

0:09:00 > 0:09:05those without disabilities, as our correspondent Nicky Fox reports.

0:09:05 > 0:09:08Probably a yellow banana.Trying out new technology.

0:09:12 > 0:09:13Left edge, 5 feet away.

0:09:13 > 0:09:15A child consultant, Hannah is testing face-recognition gadgets

0:09:15 > 0:09:17which could help her at work.

0:09:17 > 0:09:20She lost her sight five years ago and is now registered blind.

0:09:20 > 0:09:22During that time, she found it hard to get a job.

0:09:22 > 0:09:26I left uni with a first-class degree in law and I've been turned down

0:09:26 > 0:09:28from kind of basic admin roles when I had quite significant

0:09:28 > 0:09:30experience and that sort of thing.

0:09:30 > 0:09:32Some of them, I might not have got the job anyway.

0:09:32 > 0:09:35Some of them, it was quite clear from the questions they are asking,

0:09:35 > 0:09:37it was because of my disability.

0:09:37 > 0:09:39The employment gap between disabled and non-disabled people hasn't

0:09:39 > 0:09:42significantly changed for some years despite a pledge back

0:09:42 > 0:09:45in 2015 to halve it.

0:09:45 > 0:09:49Today, the government has published a plan that aims to see 1 million

0:09:49 > 0:09:53more disabled people in work over the next 10 years.

0:09:53 > 0:09:55We are making progress.

0:09:55 > 0:09:58We've got 600,000 more disabled people in work than we did

0:09:58 > 0:09:59four years ago.

0:09:59 > 0:10:01What we want to do is continue to work with employers,

0:10:01 > 0:10:06to continue to exploit the opportunities of new technology

0:10:06 > 0:10:09and to keep testing and learning to find out what works,

0:10:09 > 0:10:13what are the things that actually can make a difference

0:10:13 > 0:10:15so that more disabled people can fulfil their potential

0:10:15 > 0:10:16and get a good job.

0:10:16 > 0:10:19Today's announcement also includes measures to provide access

0:10:19 > 0:10:22to personalised support for those with

0:10:22 > 0:10:26mental health issues and an increase in the variety of health care

0:10:26 > 0:10:28professionals who are able to issue fitness-to-work notices

0:10:28 > 0:10:31but with employment rates for people with

0:10:31 > 0:10:37learning disabilities at around 6%, charities are warning

0:10:37 > 0:10:38the progress is too slow.

0:10:38 > 0:10:46Nikki Fox, BBC News.

0:10:46 > 0:10:58Investigations are under way after the death of a war crimes defendant.

0:10:58 > 0:11:02He said he rejected the verdict and drank what he said was poison. The

0:11:02 > 0:11:0672-year-old died in hospital and the UN announced the courtroom was now a

0:11:06 > 0:11:12crime scene. Two clinical trials have shown a new approach to

0:11:12 > 0:11:16preventing migraine can reduce the number of attacks and their

0:11:16 > 0:11:19severity, both trials used antibodies that shield the nervous

0:11:19 > 0:11:33system from headaches. Here is more from James Gallagher.

0:11:40 > 0:11:42Imogen Smiths started having migraines two years ago

0:11:42 > 0:11:45when she was 16.

0:11:45 > 0:11:48Imogen was having attacks every week and they forced her to take

0:11:48 > 0:11:49a year out of college.

0:11:49 > 0:11:51It was really scary so for me, when they were happening,

0:11:51 > 0:11:55I had no clue what they were 'cause I thought a migraine was just

0:11:55 > 0:11:58a headache so we had to keep looking into more serious things.

0:11:58 > 0:12:01One in seven people in the UK live with the agony of migraine.

0:12:01 > 0:12:03Scientists have now developed new treatments that target

0:12:03 > 0:12:05a chemical in the nervous to prevent a migraine developing.

0:12:05 > 0:12:06Two trials have now published.

0:12:06 > 0:12:09One gave 955 patients a monthly injection of antibodies.

0:12:09 > 0:12:11Before the trial, they were having migraines eight days every

0:12:11 > 0:12:12month on average.

0:12:12 > 0:12:14Around 50% of patients were able to cut their number

0:12:14 > 0:12:15of migraines in half.

0:12:15 > 0:12:18Four drug companies are developing similar treatments and scientists

0:12:18 > 0:12:20say a new therapy could give patients their life back.

0:12:20 > 0:12:24These treatments are the first migraine-specific preventives ever

0:12:24 > 0:12:27for the most substantial neurological cause

0:12:27 > 0:12:29of disability on the planet.

0:12:29 > 0:12:32That is a huge advance for all of us.

0:12:32 > 0:12:36Imogen's migraines are under control and she's now studying to be a nurse

0:12:36 > 0:12:41but currently available drugs do not work for everyone

0:12:41 > 0:12:43and can cause side-effects.

0:12:43 > 0:12:45New options for people living with migraine

0:12:45 > 0:12:46are desperately needed.

0:12:46 > 0:12:55James Gallagher, BBC News.

0:12:55 > 0:13:01Serial producer -- cereal producer Kelloggs is going to reduce its

0:13:01 > 0:13:06sugar content. It wants to make cereals more healthy. It employs

0:13:06 > 0:13:151700 people in the UK and owns Europe's largest factory in the UK

0:13:15 > 0:13:19in Trafford Park in Manchester. Google is facing a mass legal action

0:13:19 > 0:13:24by a UK campaign group which alleges the tech giant unlawfully collected

0:13:24 > 0:13:28information from apple's iPhone handsets. The group led by a former

0:13:28 > 0:13:33director of Which? Aims to claim at least a billion pounds in

0:13:33 > 0:13:41compensation for an estimated 5.4 million iPhone users. Google says

0:13:41 > 0:13:51the case has no case. According to research, baldy men might be more

0:13:51 > 0:13:55likely to have a heart disease before the age of 40. Researchers

0:13:55 > 0:14:01said it was a bigger risk factor than obesity which raises the risk

0:14:01 > 0:14:05of heart disease four times. A watchdog has found that police

0:14:05 > 0:14:09helicopters take so long to reach crime scenes that more than 40% of

0:14:09 > 0:14:13its dents are over before they arrive. In its first independent

0:14:13 > 0:14:17study of police Air Support, Her Majesty's Inspectorate of

0:14:17 > 0:14:21Constabulary said helicopters and bases were providing substandard

0:14:21 > 0:14:24responses to ongoing incidents. Inspectors have called for the

0:14:24 > 0:14:32service in England and Wales to be urgently reformed or replaced. The

0:14:32 > 0:14:37grime artist Stormzy has won three awards at the MOBOs, named best male

0:14:37 > 0:14:42act and best grime artist and also won best album. He said he would

0:14:42 > 0:14:47love to perform at the Royal Wedding, saying he wouldn't mind

0:14:47 > 0:14:51providing a little acoustic for young Harry if he got an invite!

0:14:51 > 0:14:59We'll watch that space. Back to you.

0:14:59 > 0:15:03We all want an invite. Another question I would like to ask you

0:15:03 > 0:15:06today, are you someone with a disability who has found it very

0:15:06 > 0:15:10hard to find paid work? The government says it is coming up with

0:15:10 > 0:15:14a plan today to try to get a further 1 million more people with

0:15:14 > 0:15:19disabilities into work in the next ten years. Your own experiences are

0:15:19 > 0:15:23relevant to this conversation. We will talk about it before ten. Watch

0:15:23 > 0:15:26of the government priorities be? What should they do to help somebody

0:15:26 > 0:15:39like you with a disability to get paid employment? Do let me know.

0:15:39 > 0:15:45If your text in you will be charged. Let's bring you some sport. Hugh is

0:15:45 > 0:15:51here. A great night for Everton supporters, the best in a long time?

0:15:51 > 0:15:56Yes, they haven't struggling so far this season. They move up four

0:15:56 > 0:16:00places to 13th in the Premier League. They were inspired by Wayne

0:16:00 > 0:16:03Rooney, Captain on the night. He scored a first hat-trick in more

0:16:03 > 0:16:08than six years in their 4-0 win over West Ham. They've heard a beauty

0:16:08 > 0:16:15from almost 60 yards out. Great technique. -- the third was a

0:16:15 > 0:16:18beauty. Former England boss Sam Allardyce was there. He is expected

0:16:18 > 0:16:24to be announced as their new boss later. It also gave interim manager

0:16:24 > 0:16:28David Unsworth a positive end to his time in charge.A great hat-trick

0:16:28 > 0:16:33and a great display from Wayne. He was captain as well, captain for a

0:16:33 > 0:16:36reason, going into a tough environment after a tough spell. I

0:16:36 > 0:16:41asked them to be men denied. We spoke about how the bad run had to

0:16:41 > 0:16:48come to an end. Being a real man means standing up in times of

0:16:48 > 0:16:52trouble.Things looking rosier at Everton. Special mention to Burnley.

0:16:52 > 0:16:58They have moved into the top six with their win last night as well.

0:16:58 > 0:17:03Elsewhere, jubilant scenes from Manchester City?Yes, the leader is

0:17:03 > 0:17:08still needed a 96th minute winner from Raheem Sterling to beat

0:17:08 > 0:17:11Southampton. They re-established an 8-point lead at the top of the

0:17:11 > 0:17:18table. That goal sparked wild celebrations. His 13th of the

0:17:18 > 0:17:21season. 12 straight wins in the league. Pep Guardiola pudding his

0:17:21 > 0:17:26good form down to his increased confidence. In the midst of all that

0:17:26 > 0:17:32Benjamin Mendy, the City defender, ran down the touchline to celebrate

0:17:32 > 0:17:37despite being out for six months with a ruptured knee ligament.

0:17:37 > 0:17:40Afterwords Guardiola called him a disaster, especially when he tried

0:17:40 > 0:17:46to get a selfie with sterling. Happy scenes for them, Arsenal, Liverpool

0:17:46 > 0:17:54and Chelsea, all winners.Ben Stokes is down under. There has been a

0:17:54 > 0:18:01return to action?Yes, yesterday he landed in New Zealand. A little

0:18:01 > 0:18:04break to see his family. He was greeted by his parents in

0:18:04 > 0:18:10Christchurch. He had a cricket kit with him. He has signed to play for

0:18:10 > 0:18:12Canterbury as their overseas player. It means we will see him in action

0:18:12 > 0:18:18down under. Just not in the Ashes series. It seems a decision as to

0:18:18 > 0:18:23whether to charge him will come in a number of weeks. He is unlikely to

0:18:23 > 0:18:28figure in that Ashes series. We will miss his fiery style of play. There

0:18:28 > 0:18:33are plenty to take care of that. Australian batsman Peter Hanscomb

0:18:33 > 0:18:38warning there may be some brutal words exchanged in the middle. He is

0:18:38 > 0:18:41happy to psychologically tired of the image.That doesn't worry Jimmy

0:18:41 > 0:18:47Anderson. It is something I have always enjoyed. Excuse me. I think

0:18:47 > 0:18:50it is... When someone is trying to get under my skin, not just in

0:18:50 > 0:18:54cricket but all walks of life, it makes me more determined to succeed.

0:18:54 > 0:18:57That is something from a personal point of view that excites me and

0:18:57 > 0:19:02will drive me on to try and do the best I can with bat and ball.

0:19:02 > 0:19:08England will need to be strong. The second test begins in the early

0:19:08 > 0:19:13hours of Saturday morning. Thank you. Good morning. Welcome to

0:19:13 > 0:19:17our programme. Thursday morning. President Trump has hit back at

0:19:17 > 0:19:22Theresa May pursing it was wrong for him to Guidetti -- re-tweeted videos

0:19:22 > 0:19:31posted by right-wing group Britain first. Initially addressing a tweet

0:19:31 > 0:19:35at someone called Theresa May rather than the Prime Minister's official

0:19:35 > 0:19:42account, he wrote... He then realised his mistake and

0:19:42 > 0:19:48sent it to the PM's correct Twitter handle. The US president earlier had

0:19:48 > 0:19:54come under fire for re-tweeting three anti-Muslim videos posted

0:19:54 > 0:19:58online by Jayda Fransen, the deputy leader of Britain first. She is

0:19:58 > 0:20:01currently on bail facing charges of causing religiously aggravated

0:20:01 > 0:20:06harassment. It relates to a separate incident. One of the videos that

0:20:06 > 0:20:12Donald Trump re-tweeted is called Muslim I grinned beads up Dutch boy

0:20:12 > 0:20:15on crutches. According to the authorities in the Netherlands,

0:20:15 > 0:20:19there was no racially aggravated element to the incident and the

0:20:19 > 0:20:23perpetrator was a Dutch national born and raised in the Netherlands.

0:20:23 > 0:20:27Who are Britain first? We first investigative them a couple of years

0:20:27 > 0:20:33ago on this programme. There are extreme, right-wing and ultra

0:20:33 > 0:20:38nationalists. They were formed in 2011 by former members of the BNP.

0:20:38 > 0:20:41From the outset the organisation's aim has been to make a lot of noise

0:20:41 > 0:20:46on Facebook and elsewhere on social media. On Facebook they have nearly

0:20:46 > 0:20:542 million lights, head of the Labour Party, 1 million, the Conservatives,

0:20:54 > 0:20:59around 650,000. The UK's most successful political party on

0:20:59 > 0:21:02Facebook has been a wash-out when it comes to electoral success. The

0:21:02 > 0:21:07deputy stood in a by-election a few years ago and lost her deposit,

0:21:07 > 0:21:13winning just 56 votes. And the leader, Paul Golding, stood for a

0:21:13 > 0:21:19London mayor last year. And in the first round he won 1.2% of the vote.

0:21:19 > 0:21:23I have been talking to Joe Walsh. He is an American conservative

0:21:23 > 0:21:28talk-show host. He is also a former Republican congressman. He is a

0:21:28 > 0:21:31Donald Trump supporter. He told me what he makes of this diplomatic row

0:21:31 > 0:21:38between Mr Trump and Mrs May.I don't think it is a big row. Look,

0:21:38 > 0:21:44this is President Trump, I'm going to say this not to you but to the

0:21:44 > 0:21:49world for the 19th time, he is not a typical American president. These

0:21:49 > 0:21:57are not American times. He is going to do things and say things that

0:21:57 > 0:22:01typical Presidents don't. We have to get used to it. The rest of the

0:22:01 > 0:22:05world does as well.But he is a man who says he battles against what he

0:22:05 > 0:22:10calls fake news. By re-tweeting these videos he is now spreading

0:22:10 > 0:22:18fake news.Look, to correct you, he technically re-tweeted three videos.

0:22:18 > 0:22:27Two of the videos are actual news. He made a mistake.Exactly. So he is

0:22:27 > 0:22:31guilty of spreading fake news, which, as you will know, various

0:22:31 > 0:22:37political leaders in this country say is dangerous to our country.Two

0:22:37 > 0:22:42of the videos were not fake. The underlying truth is this. Islamism

0:22:42 > 0:22:46is a big problem. We are concerned about it. President Trump is

0:22:46 > 0:22:51concerned about it. All of Europe ought to be concerned as well.You

0:22:51 > 0:22:55don't think the British government is absolutely concerned about

0:22:55 > 0:23:02Islamist terrorism?I don't. And the lot of us in the states don't. A lot

0:23:02 > 0:23:04of us don't understand the UK and the rest of Europe has allowed

0:23:04 > 0:23:12radical Islam, or Islam is, to take over your entire continent.Are you

0:23:12 > 0:23:23joking me?! That is the most grotesque exaggeration.Not joking.

0:23:23 > 0:23:27You have entire neighbourhoods in the UK and Europe for emergency

0:23:27 > 0:23:34police cannot even go because they are called no-go zones.That is

0:23:34 > 0:23:39completely inaccurate. Completely wrong. Made a up, inaccurate, fake

0:23:39 > 0:23:44and potentially dangerous.Victoria, I love you and it is good to talk to

0:23:44 > 0:23:49you, but we don't give the truth on Islamism in Europe. We are afraid

0:23:49 > 0:23:53the same thing is going to happen in the United States. This is a big

0:23:53 > 0:23:56part of why President Trump got elected.

0:23:56 > 0:24:00The counterterrorism budget has gone by 30%. That is British

0:24:00 > 0:24:07counterterrorist officers are involved in 500 investigations

0:24:07 > 0:24:10involving 3000 individuals, monitoring a wider pool of 20,000

0:24:10 > 0:24:18people.They are on it. Well, I don't think they are on it.Do you

0:24:18 > 0:24:21think Donald Trump should still be welcome in Britain when he comes for

0:24:21 > 0:24:27the state visit?Gosh, yeah. That is your call. But certainly he should.

0:24:27 > 0:24:32We are still very good friends, we are strong allies. Look, this is a

0:24:32 > 0:24:36problem. We had a president before President Trump who purposely

0:24:36 > 0:24:40refused to acknowledge the problem. This is a big reason why President

0:24:40 > 0:24:46Trump got elected. Peter McCarthy on Twitter says, I'm

0:24:46 > 0:24:53concerned a president can disrespect a fellow world leader and so-called

0:24:53 > 0:24:57close ally. So much for the special relationship. Let's talk to said Joe

0:24:57 > 0:25:04Curry, who is Muslim. How bad is this in diplomatic terms?Good

0:25:04 > 0:25:14morning. This is actually extremely serious. We have a situation on a

0:25:14 > 0:25:20whole multiple of different levels of not only interference in our

0:25:20 > 0:25:24domestic political agenda, but also along with that, a real diplomatic

0:25:24 > 0:25:30crisis brewing as well. I suspect, knowing Donald Trump's style which

0:25:30 > 0:25:33has developed since he came into office, this is the way in which he

0:25:33 > 0:25:40feels he can best attract attention to himself. That is his agenda. The

0:25:40 > 0:25:46problem for us is the ramifications of that, particularly in terms of

0:25:46 > 0:25:50community cohesion and the basic fabric of our society in the United

0:25:50 > 0:25:54Kingdom and indeed throughout Europe. It is extremely serious.You

0:25:54 > 0:26:00think as president he can upset community cohesion in Britain?

0:26:00 > 0:26:06Absolutely. What he is doing here, he is taking a very small French

0:26:06 > 0:26:12extremist movement, and promoting them into a space, a political

0:26:12 > 0:26:19space, that they simply do not occupy otherwise. The real dangers

0:26:19 > 0:26:23are, and based upon the interview just aired, you don't have a

0:26:23 > 0:26:29reinforcement of what is in effect fake news, and a repetition of that.

0:26:29 > 0:26:32That is taking place multiple times, creating a completely non-fact

0:26:32 > 0:26:38-based story, which then becomes factual lies in the minds of many,

0:26:38 > 0:26:44simply because it has been repeated multiple times. We have to take this

0:26:44 > 0:26:48extremely seriously. That is why this morning I have called on our PM

0:26:48 > 0:26:54macro Theresa May not to ignore what Donald Trump as said, but to monitor

0:26:54 > 0:26:58what he is saying and to make sure that he and those who support him in

0:26:58 > 0:27:02the United Kingdom, there are political actors in the UK who

0:27:02 > 0:27:06support the stance he has taken, that we monitor them very closely as

0:27:06 > 0:27:13well. Otherwise they will talk away at the very fabric of our society.

0:27:13 > 0:27:18They will sow division weather isn't division. The consequences of that

0:27:18 > 0:27:23will be very great indeed.Monitor closely, with respect, sounds rather

0:27:23 > 0:27:30lame. What about asking the British Prime Minister to withdraw his state

0:27:30 > 0:27:33visit invitation?I certainly have done that. The basis is this. A

0:27:33 > 0:27:38British citizen would not be given entry clearance into the United

0:27:38 > 0:27:45State of America if that British citizen has done anything which, in

0:27:45 > 0:27:52any Way, undermines the fabric of USA society or security. That is

0:27:52 > 0:27:56exactly what the president of the United States has done. If those

0:27:56 > 0:28:00conditions are sufficient to prevent a British citizen from carrying out

0:28:00 > 0:28:06an ordinary visit to the USA, how can it be that a sitting president

0:28:06 > 0:28:10making such comments after assuming office, can be afforded an official

0:28:10 > 0:28:18state visit in these circumstances? I understand that. My follow up

0:28:18 > 0:28:23question is, should Donald Trump be banned from Britain?Two very

0:28:23 > 0:28:26different things. I do not think it is appropriate to go ahead with a

0:28:26 > 0:28:32state visit. And secondly, moving on from that, he is a world leader. We

0:28:32 > 0:28:37have to have relations with the USA through him. And incidentally, I do

0:28:37 > 0:28:43not believe that the vast majority of American people will, in any way,

0:28:43 > 0:28:47want to be associated with what Donald Trump, their president, is

0:28:47 > 0:28:51trying to do.Rescind the state visit invitation, but a visit

0:28:51 > 0:28:56without the formality of a state visit, is that all right?We have to

0:28:56 > 0:28:59maintain diplomatic relations and we have to try to repair the situation

0:28:59 > 0:29:06we are in.He is still welcome to Britain in your view?If this sort

0:29:06 > 0:29:10of activity is to continue by him, and then we see the effects it

0:29:10 > 0:29:15starts to happen in a very negative way in terms of undermining the very

0:29:15 > 0:29:19fabric of our British society, then we must once again of course

0:29:19 > 0:29:23revisit, on what basis are we going to have those diplomatic relations

0:29:23 > 0:29:29through him? We have other channels as well.You will have heard the

0:29:29 > 0:29:33very powerful words of the communities secretary, Sajid Javid,

0:29:33 > 0:29:35saying effectively that the president of United States endorsed

0:29:35 > 0:29:42the use of -- file, hate filled the use of organisations that hate me

0:29:42 > 0:29:45and people like me. If you had the opportunity of talking to Donald

0:29:45 > 0:29:50Trump about the re-tweeting of these videos, what would you say?I don't

0:29:50 > 0:29:54think it befits the office of president of the United States of

0:29:54 > 0:29:59America to be associated -- to be associating himself with somebody

0:29:59 > 0:30:06who has actually been convicted of religious hatred, harassment

0:30:06 > 0:30:10offences, and is currently facing charges of a very similar nature as

0:30:10 > 0:30:16well. It just does not become the office of president of the United

0:30:16 > 0:30:24States of America.Do you think he hates someone like you?

0:30:24 > 0:30:29Do you think Donald Trump hates someone like you?One has to go

0:30:29 > 0:30:33about the effects that come about when someone in his position put out

0:30:33 > 0:30:36tweets of this nature. I don't think he will have any personal hatred

0:30:36 > 0:30:42towards me, I very much doubt he even knows I exist, certainly there

0:30:42 > 0:30:47has been no meeting at this point anyway, but in term to haves wider

0:30:47 > 0:30:50effects based on the office that he calls, he ought to have that at the

0:30:50 > 0:30:55forefront of his mind. There are real consequences attached to this

0:30:55 > 0:31:06for other countries, including ours. Thank you very much. Get in touch

0:31:06 > 0:31:15with us if you have any views. Mr Karim saying the state visit

0:31:15 > 0:31:17invitation should be rescinded but he's going to have to come at some

0:31:17 > 0:31:23point. Let me know your views. Still to come. How thousands are being

0:31:23 > 0:31:26threatened with prison for not paying council tax. A mum tells us

0:31:26 > 0:31:31how she ended up behind bars. At the stars of the MOBO awards - plans to

0:31:31 > 0:31:36change a controversial approach to policing certain music events.

0:31:50 > 0:31:53Donald Trump has said Theresa May should pay more attention to

0:31:53 > 0:32:04terrorism in the UK rather than on him. Theresa May criticised Donald

0:32:04 > 0:32:08Trump for sharing videos. There are calls for Donald Trump's visit to be

0:32:08 > 0:32:10cancelled to the UK.

0:32:10 > 0:32:13The US has called on China to stop providing crude loyal to North Korea

0:32:13 > 0:32:16in response to its latest test of a ballistic missile.

0:32:16 > 0:32:18At an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council

0:32:18 > 0:32:22in New York, Washington's ambassador to the UN, Nicky Hayley,

0:32:22 > 0:32:25also urged other nations to cut their trade and

0:32:25 > 0:32:28diplomatic ties with Pyongyang.

0:32:28 > 0:32:31BBC News understands that a 24-year-old

0:32:31 > 0:32:33British man who went to

0:32:33 > 0:32:36Syria to fight against so-called Islamic state, has been killed.

0:32:36 > 0:32:41Oliver Hall from the Portsmouth area is the seventh British volunteer to

0:32:41 > 0:32:44have died in the country having joined a Kurdish militia.

0:32:44 > 0:32:48Plans to get an extra one million disabled

0:32:48 > 0:32:50people into work will be published by the government today.

0:32:50 > 0:32:55Disabled people remain significantly less

0:32:55 > 0:33:00likely to be in employment than those without disabilities, as our

0:33:00 > 0:33:02correspondent Nicky Fox reports.

0:33:16 > 0:33:21The Rhyls of trials in migraines show antibodies can be used to

0:33:21 > 0:33:27neutralise a chemical which is used to trigger severe migraines.

0:33:29 > 0:33:32That is a summary of the latest news.

0:33:33 > 0:33:37Thank you very much toer your comments about the row between

0:33:37 > 0:33:43Theresa May and Donald Trump. Abu says, I'm a Muslim, I see nothing

0:33:43 > 0:33:46wrong in Trump re-tweeting, he's reminding the world about the

0:33:46 > 0:33:52madmen. Theresa May shouldn't have joined in this, as our relationship

0:33:52 > 0:33:56post-Brexit is more important than a mere tweet. Donald Trump doesn't

0:33:56 > 0:34:00care, he'd prefer to play golf than come here. Paul says it's difficult

0:34:00 > 0:34:05to remain diplomatic when it comes to this man. The best thing to do

0:34:05 > 0:34:10would be to avoid him completely. Donald Trump says it how it is, says

0:34:10 > 0:34:15another viewer, he should come here and give Theresa May some advice.

0:34:15 > 0:34:21Hugh is back with the latest sport. Wayne Rooney sent a reminder to the

0:34:21 > 0:34:25Premier League last night of exactly what he can do with a hat trick in

0:34:25 > 0:34:28Everton's 4-0 win over West Ham United. The former England boss, Sam

0:34:28 > 0:34:32Allardyce, is expected to be named as the club's new manager later

0:34:32 > 0:34:37today. Leaders might have re-established an eight-point lead

0:34:37 > 0:34:41at the top of the Premier League with a win over Southampton, it took

0:34:41 > 0:34:45a 96th minute goal from Sterling to do so. Burnley continue their good

0:34:45 > 0:34:49form away from home with a 2-1 win over Bournemouth, seeing Sean

0:34:49 > 0:34:53Dyche's side move up to sixth in the table. Away from football, England's

0:34:53 > 0:34:57Ben Stokes will make his return to cricket action but it won't be for

0:34:57 > 0:35:01England just yet. He's signed for New Zealand side Canterbury, a

0:35:01 > 0:35:05decision on whether he'll be charged by the CPS for ABH may take several

0:35:05 > 0:35:11more weeks. That's all the sport for now. More just after ten. Good

0:35:11 > 0:35:13morning.

0:35:13 > 0:35:15Thousands of people are being taken to court and threatened with prison

0:35:15 > 0:35:18over council tax arrears every year this programme has learned.

0:35:18 > 0:35:23We've seen data that shows it happened to 4,800 people last year -

0:35:23 > 0:35:27with 62 of those going to jail for non-payment of council tax.

0:35:27 > 0:35:31Council tax is one of the only debts where not paying can lead to prison.

0:35:31 > 0:35:33The figures are only for England and Wales,

0:35:33 > 0:35:36people don't get sent to jail in Scotland and Northern Ireland.

0:35:36 > 0:35:39Our reporter Jim Reed has been investigating this for us and he's

0:35:39 > 0:35:42been to speak to a woman who was imprisoned for 50 days

0:35:42 > 0:35:44because she owed more than £5000 in council tax.

0:35:44 > 0:35:47It's hard to avoid, even harder to evade.

0:35:47 > 0:35:5097% of us pay our council tax on time.

0:35:50 > 0:35:53Linked to the value of a house or flat, it works out at around

0:35:53 > 0:35:58£1,200 a year on average.

0:35:58 > 0:36:01But what happens to people who either can't pay or won't pay?

0:36:01 > 0:36:05What's not well known is that, unlike other debts,

0:36:05 > 0:36:09it is still possible to go to prison for not paying your council tax -

0:36:09 > 0:36:11and that's something that does happen more often

0:36:11 > 0:36:13than you might think.

0:36:13 > 0:36:15I just heard I was going to jail...

0:36:15 > 0:36:16Yeah.

0:36:16 > 0:36:19I just heard that, and everything else was silent.

0:36:19 > 0:36:24Nicola, a mother of two with no criminal record,

0:36:24 > 0:36:29fell behind with her payments when she split up with her husband.

0:36:29 > 0:36:31She ended up making six trips to court before, in the end,

0:36:31 > 0:36:34she was sentenced to 50 days in prison.

0:36:34 > 0:36:38It didn't actually sink in until they said "you're

0:36:38 > 0:36:41going to jail" and that's when it was shock, complete shock.

0:36:41 > 0:36:43I couldn't believe I was actually going to jail.

0:36:43 > 0:36:47And what happened next?

0:36:47 > 0:36:52They took me down to the cells, downstairs, you're then taken

0:36:52 > 0:36:55into a small cell and you have to wait for a van to

0:36:55 > 0:36:57come and collect you.

0:36:57 > 0:37:00You are handcuffed throughout all this time.

0:37:00 > 0:37:02So you feel like a criminal at that stage?

0:37:02 > 0:37:03Yes.

0:37:03 > 0:37:04Yeah.

0:37:04 > 0:37:07By that point, Nicola's debt - with court fines -

0:37:07 > 0:37:08had risen to more than £5,000.

0:37:08 > 0:37:14Council bailiffs had taken her car and she had offered to pay back £30

0:37:14 > 0:37:16a week but that was turned down.

0:37:16 > 0:37:18They wanted £100 a week off me.

0:37:18 > 0:37:21I couldn't pay it.

0:37:21 > 0:37:26I went to tax advisors and they done my disposable income,

0:37:26 > 0:37:29£30 a week, which was offered to them and they refused.

0:37:29 > 0:37:31They refused the £30?

0:37:31 > 0:37:32They refused it, yes.

0:37:32 > 0:37:34I could barely afford that.

0:37:34 > 0:37:37That was really pushing it.

0:37:37 > 0:37:41So you had no choice but to say "can't pay?"

0:37:41 > 0:37:45Just couldn't pay.

0:37:45 > 0:37:49Figures seen by this programme show councils applied for a commitment

0:37:49 > 0:37:52to prison more than 4,800 times last year.

0:37:52 > 0:37:55That means the person who received it had to go to court and then

0:37:55 > 0:37:57was formally threatened with prison if they didn't settle

0:37:57 > 0:38:00their council tax bill.

0:38:00 > 0:38:03The number has been rising, even though the Government issued

0:38:03 > 0:38:06new guidance calling on local authorities to use courts

0:38:06 > 0:38:07only as a last resort.

0:38:07 > 0:38:11Even so, 62 people we know about ended up in prison last year

0:38:11 > 0:38:14because they couldn't or they wouldn't pay.

0:38:14 > 0:38:17The real number is likely to be a fair bit higher than that.

0:38:17 > 0:38:21Critics say this only happens in England and Wales.

0:38:21 > 0:38:26In Scotland and Northern Ireland, councils are not allowed to use

0:38:26 > 0:38:28the threat of prison in this way.

0:38:28 > 0:38:31Prison is for people who are dangerous or have

0:38:31 > 0:38:34committed a serious crime, not for people who are struggling

0:38:34 > 0:38:35to keep up with payments.

0:38:35 > 0:38:38Threatening to lock people up doesn't solve the problem.

0:38:38 > 0:38:40If people are imprisoned, it's harder for them

0:38:40 > 0:38:42to pay their debts - not easier.

0:38:42 > 0:38:44It's a terrifying experience, lumping people who are behind

0:38:44 > 0:38:47with their debts in with criminals.

0:38:47 > 0:38:50To its critics, using prison to deal with debt is a relic

0:38:50 > 0:38:54of Victorian times.

0:38:54 > 0:38:58At the notorious Marshalsea and other jails like it,

0:38:58 > 0:39:01you could be locked up until you or your family

0:39:01 > 0:39:05paid what was owed.

0:39:05 > 0:39:09And this here is all that's left of what was Marshalsea

0:39:09 > 0:39:11prison in south London.

0:39:11 > 0:39:14All of the debtors' jails, debtors' prisons were closed down

0:39:14 > 0:39:18more than a century ago as modern bankruptcy laws were brought in.

0:39:18 > 0:39:21Today, council tax is one of the only types that can still end

0:39:21 > 0:39:24in a jail sentence - though if you don't pay court fines

0:39:24 > 0:39:28for missing some other payments, including the TV licence,

0:39:28 > 0:39:30you can get a conviction and prison time.

0:39:30 > 0:39:33Because council tax is a civil matter and not criminal, it meant

0:39:33 > 0:39:36Nicola had to serve her full sentence - 50 days -

0:39:36 > 0:39:39with no early release for good behaviour.

0:39:39 > 0:39:44Her children, aged six and 19, went to live with friends and relatives.

0:39:44 > 0:39:46It goes very, very slow.

0:39:46 > 0:39:49I just didn't know what to expect, where I was,

0:39:49 > 0:39:52it was absolutely horrific.

0:39:52 > 0:39:55I was worrying about the kids.

0:39:55 > 0:39:58Nobody can prepare you for it.

0:39:58 > 0:40:01It doesn't matter how many books you might read,

0:40:01 > 0:40:04it's not what you expect.

0:40:04 > 0:40:05It's a pretty horrific experience.

0:40:05 > 0:40:07How do you feel you've changed as a person since then?

0:40:07 > 0:40:09I'm angry.

0:40:09 > 0:40:11I'm angry...

0:40:11 > 0:40:15I've got no trust in the system.

0:40:15 > 0:40:19I feel very vulnerable.

0:40:19 > 0:40:23If I can go to jail for something like council tax, I can go

0:40:23 > 0:40:29to jail for anything.

0:40:29 > 0:40:35Nicola's council, Conwy in North Wales, said action in this

0:40:35 > 0:40:40case was taken in accordance with all necessary rules.

0:40:40 > 0:40:47Nicola was given ample opportunity to pay what she owed and didn't

0:40:47 > 0:40:49provide information when asked.

0:40:49 > 0:40:52It said using the courts in this way was a last result and anyone

0:40:52 > 0:40:54in difficulty should contact the council to try

0:40:54 > 0:40:55to find a solution.

0:40:55 > 0:40:59New figures appear to show wide differences in approach

0:40:59 > 0:41:04between local authorities.

0:41:04 > 0:41:07Of the 279 councils that responded to a request for information,

0:41:07 > 0:41:12just 99 started proceedings to imprison people and only

0:41:12 > 0:41:1517 locked someone up.

0:41:15 > 0:41:19The London borough of Havering, on the Essex border, is one council

0:41:19 > 0:41:21that does threaten prison.

0:41:21 > 0:41:26Last year, the report shows you started 96 committal proceedings

0:41:26 > 0:41:28against people who hadn't paid in this borough.

0:41:28 > 0:41:31Two people ended up in jail.

0:41:31 > 0:41:34Why did you feel the need to take it so far?

0:41:34 > 0:41:37Because it's the last resort.

0:41:37 > 0:41:42As those figures...

0:41:42 > 0:41:47Of the 96, 94 did eventually come to an arrangement.

0:41:47 > 0:41:50It was probably the threat of that committal, prison sentence,

0:41:50 > 0:41:54that actually made them pay.

0:41:54 > 0:41:56What we're very keen on is recognising the can't

0:41:56 > 0:42:00pays from won't pays, why should people not pay

0:42:00 > 0:42:03their water bill or broadband bill?

0:42:03 > 0:42:04Council tax is the same thing.

0:42:04 > 0:42:06We're providing a service.

0:42:06 > 0:42:08Slightly different, though, if they don't pay their water bill

0:42:08 > 0:42:09or broadband bill...

0:42:09 > 0:42:11There's not the threat of going to prison.

0:42:11 > 0:42:15Why should council tax be any different?

0:42:15 > 0:42:17The principle is we're paying to provide services to our schools,

0:42:17 > 0:42:22our children's services, adult services, and it's really

0:42:22 > 0:42:25important that we have that package in place so we can

0:42:25 > 0:42:32serve our communities to the best that we can.

0:42:32 > 0:42:35If you didn't have this power, to take people to prison or threaten

0:42:35 > 0:42:41prison, what would be the result?

0:42:41 > 0:42:43Well, it's taking away a deterrent factor if that happens...

0:42:43 > 0:42:45It could be a problem for you?

0:42:45 > 0:42:48It could be a problem, because perhaps there may be some

0:42:48 > 0:42:50people who will simply not pay and ignore everything.

0:42:50 > 0:42:54As for Nicola, she says after her release, she did come

0:42:54 > 0:42:57to an agreement to pay the council and thinks she has

0:42:57 > 0:42:58now cleared her debt.

0:42:58 > 0:43:01The council might say they have a responsibility

0:43:01 > 0:43:06to collect council tax, and unless there's some sort

0:43:06 > 0:43:10of punishment at the end of it, they might not be able to do that?

0:43:10 > 0:43:12It's not really fair to send someone to jail

0:43:12 > 0:43:13for something they can't pay!

0:43:13 > 0:43:14You know...

0:43:14 > 0:43:19If they've got plenty of money, holding it back, saying...

0:43:19 > 0:43:22"We're not paying because we don't agree you pay it towards

0:43:22 > 0:43:24the police or the bins that I'll empty myself"...

0:43:24 > 0:43:26If they can't pay it's a different matter.

0:43:26 > 0:43:28So no, I don't think you should go to jail.

0:43:28 > 0:43:31And in your mind you just felt you couldn't pay?

0:43:31 > 0:43:32I couldn't pay.

0:43:33 > 0:43:36I couldn't pay.

0:43:36 > 0:43:40This could all come to a head.

0:43:40 > 0:43:43A test case soon could make it much harder for councils to use

0:43:43 > 0:43:45the threat of prison to collect debts.

0:43:45 > 0:43:47Local authorities worry, if that happens, it could also

0:43:47 > 0:43:51make it harder to fund the services we need.

0:43:57 > 0:44:00Linda on Facebook says what an absolute disgrace, the councils and

0:44:00 > 0:44:05courts should hang their heads in shame, shame on them all. Norman

0:44:05 > 0:44:10says ridiculous, so many of us can't afford the increase in tax, they are

0:44:10 > 0:44:15not won't pay, they are can't pay. Violent criminals are treated

0:44:15 > 0:44:20better. And Pat says how much did it cost to put this woman in prison,

0:44:20 > 0:44:24now she has a criminal record so hubbing she woman back from this?

0:44:24 > 0:44:26Something isn't right.

0:44:26 > 0:44:28Let's talk now to Rona Epstein, a law researcher

0:44:28 > 0:44:30at Coventry University, who's campaigned against people

0:44:30 > 0:44:32being jailed over council tax debt for many years.

0:44:32 > 0:44:34She worked on the report published by the Institute

0:44:34 > 0:44:39of Money Advisors today.

0:44:39 > 0:44:44Why do you think councils shouldn't have this power, as a last resort,

0:44:44 > 0:44:47they say, to take people to court and ultimately to have them jailed

0:44:47 > 0:44:51if they don't pay their council tax? Well, I believe they can take them

0:44:51 > 0:44:56to court. It's the imprisonment part that's wrong. The councils have

0:44:56 > 0:45:01powers to take people who haven't paid their council tax, which I

0:45:01 > 0:45:05fully agree with what we have heard, has to be paid. We need it for

0:45:05 > 0:45:13services that must be provided. That is why magistrates have the power to

0:45:13 > 0:45:17order dedictions from benefits or to order deduction from any wages you

0:45:17 > 0:45:23or I may receive if we haven't paid our council tax bill. Councils need

0:45:23 > 0:45:28and use the powers. Two thirds of the councils in England and Wales do

0:45:28 > 0:45:33not apply for commitment to prison. They ask for these other measures of

0:45:33 > 0:45:38enforcement and I believe they're behaving properly and morally, as we

0:45:38 > 0:45:44should in our society. It's one third, just under one third who

0:45:44 > 0:45:48unfortunately use the power to threaten imprisonment and then in

0:45:48 > 0:45:54some cases go through with it, as we saw with Nicola who actually comes

0:45:54 > 0:45:57into the public domain because she contacted me knowing about my

0:45:57 > 0:46:02research and asked if there was any way she could be compensated for the

0:46:02 > 0:46:09dreadful experiences since I'm arguing it's mostly unlawful.

0:46:09 > 0:46:14We have as many councils to talk to us on the programme today. It wasn't

0:46:14 > 0:46:20possible. We have a statement from the Local Government Association.

0:46:20 > 0:46:23They say before councils take legal action, people will have been

0:46:23 > 0:46:26encouraged to seek monetary support and efforts will have been made to

0:46:26 > 0:46:31attach the depth to a salary or arrange new payment plans. They have

0:46:31 > 0:46:36tried that. That has not worked. Therefore, they say, they need this

0:46:36 > 0:46:42final, last resort power. They have a £5.8 billion shortfall by 2020

0:46:42 > 0:46:44which is why they say it is essential councils collect these

0:46:44 > 0:46:51funds.They do need to collect them, we are agreed on that. It is not, I

0:46:51 > 0:46:57believe, correct to say that it doesn't work. If the magistrates

0:46:57 > 0:47:00order an attachment to earnings, the employer has to pay them. They have

0:47:00 > 0:47:05no choice about it. The employer as a legal duty to take the money out

0:47:05 > 0:47:12of your wages or salary if this has been ordered. If they don't have

0:47:12 > 0:47:17wages or salary, it can be deducted from benefit.Therefore you say

0:47:17 > 0:47:22there is no need to send anybody to jail ever?Absolutely. That is why

0:47:22 > 0:47:26two thirds of councils do not do it. If I can just say something about

0:47:26 > 0:47:30what you have read out, one of your correspondents said Nicola now has a

0:47:30 > 0:47:35criminal record. She doesn't. Owing council tax is a civil offence. It

0:47:35 > 0:47:42is not a crime. That is why people like myself, many people believe, it

0:47:42 > 0:47:47is so wrong to put people in prison. Prisons are therefore serious crime.

0:47:47 > 0:47:51And they are not there for people who, for whatever reason, illness,

0:47:51 > 0:47:57mismanagement in Nicola's case, or people following a divorce, for

0:47:57 > 0:48:01whatever reason they have not paid the council tax, they should pay,

0:48:01 > 0:48:04that is simply wrong to put them in prison. The other enforcement

0:48:04 > 0:48:11methods, attachment to earnings or benefits or savings, I believe

0:48:11 > 0:48:13should be applied, because councils need this money. Thank you very

0:48:13 > 0:48:23much.Nora Epstein. Breaking news. The latest net migration figures. It

0:48:23 > 0:48:30is from June 2016 to June 20 17. Net migration has fallen by 100,000 in

0:48:30 > 0:48:37the last year. This is the largest annual decrease ever recorded. Net

0:48:37 > 0:48:41migration to June 2017 stands at 230,000. Three quarters of the fall

0:48:41 > 0:48:45is down to changes in EU migration in the 12 months since the EU

0:48:45 > 0:48:55referendum. 75,000 fewer people came to Britain from elsewhere in Europe

0:48:55 > 0:49:01between 2016 and 2017, immediately after the Brexit referendum. The

0:49:01 > 0:49:05Office for National Statistics says the number of non-EU citizens

0:49:05 > 0:49:07leaving has remained stable over the past year. The number of people

0:49:07 > 0:49:12leaving the UK who are EU citizens has increased. Net migration has

0:49:12 > 0:49:20fallen by 100,000 people to 230,000 in the year up to June 2017. We will

0:49:20 > 0:49:22get reaction straight after the news at ten o'clock.

0:49:22 > 0:49:24Are you in line for a pay-out from Google?

0:49:24 > 0:49:27One campaigner says it's been taking data unlawfully from iPhone users,

0:49:27 > 0:49:33and he wants a billion pounds in compensation.

0:49:33 > 0:49:35We will talk to him before ten.

0:49:35 > 0:49:36Earlier this month, London's Metropolitan Police

0:49:36 > 0:49:41announced it was scrapping its controversial risk assessment

0:49:41 > 0:49:48form known as Form 696.

0:49:48 > 0:49:51It was controversial because some in the music community said it

0:49:51 > 0:49:55targeted certain genres of music, like grime.

0:49:55 > 0:49:58In March, this programme highlighted the issue,

0:49:58 > 0:50:01including how a version of the form was being used by other

0:50:01 > 0:50:02forces outside London.

0:50:02 > 0:50:05Chi Chi Izundu was on the red carpet of the MOBO

0:50:05 > 0:50:09Awards to find out how stars feel about it.

0:50:09 > 0:50:10MUSIC: Man's Not Hot Hot - Big Shaq

0:50:10 > 0:50:12# I tell her man's not hot

0:50:12 > 0:50:14# I tell her man's not hot

0:50:14 > 0:50:16# The girl told me take off your jacket

0:50:16 > 0:50:18# I said babes man's not hot, never

0:50:18 > 0:50:20# I said babes man's not hot, never

0:50:20 > 0:50:22# I tell her mans not hot, never hot

0:50:22 > 0:50:24# I tell her mans not hot, never hot

0:50:24 > 0:50:26# The girl told me take off your jacket.#

0:50:26 > 0:50:29Yo, it's your boy, Yxng Bane, aka, the Heart Break Kid

0:50:29 > 0:50:32And I'm here at the Mobos having the time of my life.

0:50:32 > 0:50:35And we're here at the Mobo Awards, which is taking place in the

0:50:35 > 0:50:38wonderful city of Leeds, the very same city that a rapper told us

0:50:38 > 0:50:40earlier this year he was stopped from performing in.

0:50:40 > 0:50:43I got taken off a festival in Leeds that was meant

0:50:43 > 0:50:44to happen.

0:50:44 > 0:50:46Yeah, they basically said, you know, you've got to take

0:50:46 > 0:50:47off these grime acts.

0:50:47 > 0:50:50We never actually get to talk to the police.

0:50:50 > 0:50:52They don't really respond to the artist at all.

0:50:52 > 0:50:54It's almost as if they don't have to tell us why.

0:50:54 > 0:50:56For me that's wrong because at least, if

0:50:56 > 0:51:00we know why, then we know how to change it, or how to go about it.

0:51:00 > 0:51:03London's Metropolitan Police introduced their promotion event

0:51:03 > 0:51:07risk assessment form 696 back in 2005 after a spate of violent

0:51:07 > 0:51:10attacks at events across the capital.

0:51:10 > 0:51:13But earlier this month the Met said it was scrapping its

0:51:13 > 0:51:16controversial form 696, and it was controversial

0:51:16 > 0:51:20because music industry people thought that it was targeting

0:51:20 > 0:51:22Music of Black Origin.

0:51:22 > 0:51:24I feel like it gives people a lot more

0:51:24 > 0:51:26opportunities because at the end of the day

0:51:26 > 0:51:27you can't really base a show

0:51:27 > 0:51:28on someone's mistakes.

0:51:28 > 0:51:30It's not fair, do you know what I mean?

0:51:30 > 0:51:32Now I feel like everyone has an equal

0:51:32 > 0:51:34chance to make their money and live their life.

0:51:34 > 0:51:38Everyone be getting blocked from London, you get me?

0:51:38 > 0:51:40Obviously we've got it from up north but London

0:51:40 > 0:51:42we feel it the most, I feel like.

0:51:42 > 0:51:47Now it's gone, it's only going to, you get me, domino affect.

0:51:49 > 0:51:51This programme also found in a Freedom of

0:51:51 > 0:51:53Information request, that

0:51:53 > 0:51:56a number of forces outside the capital were using their own version

0:51:56 > 0:51:57of the form.

0:51:57 > 0:52:00What if I told you other forces outside of London don't

0:52:00 > 0:52:01plan to get rid of it?

0:52:01 > 0:52:03I mean, I don't know why they wouldn't follow

0:52:03 > 0:52:06suit, like, if London's doing it.

0:52:06 > 0:52:08You might as well, innit.

0:52:08 > 0:52:11Like, I don't think it helps.

0:52:11 > 0:52:13It doesn't help artists and there's a lot of

0:52:13 > 0:52:15artists that are being stopped by that, you know?

0:52:15 > 0:52:18And they've got great talents that don't need to be

0:52:18 > 0:52:20stopped because of, what I feel, is a bit racist,

0:52:20 > 0:52:22to be fair, so, yeah.

0:52:30 > 0:52:37Our entertainment reporter, Chi Chi Izundu, is here.

0:52:37 > 0:52:42The Metropolitan Police is scrapping this form. What about other forces?

0:52:42 > 0:52:46Other forces like Northamptonshire and the city of London police,

0:52:46 > 0:52:50Bedfordshire, Leicestershire Police, say they will keep their form. They

0:52:50 > 0:52:53say is voluntary and they don't force it upon anyone and it works

0:52:53 > 0:52:58really well with their venues and promoters. All the forces have said

0:52:58 > 0:53:02safety is their priority. Even though the Met are scrapping the

0:53:02 > 0:53:05form, they say they have had some constructive conversations with

0:53:05 > 0:53:09people in the music industry and they are hoping to meet in the New

0:53:09 > 0:53:13Year to try and sort out a new process to keep everyone save within

0:53:13 > 0:53:15the industry.Thank you.

0:53:15 > 0:53:18Up to 5.4 million iPhone users could be in line for a pay-out

0:53:18 > 0:53:21of several hundred pounds, if a legal claim against

0:53:21 > 0:53:25Google is successful.

0:53:25 > 0:53:29Richard Lloyd is taking action against the internet giant

0:53:29 > 0:53:33who he says collected information on users' online browsing habits,

0:53:33 > 0:53:34without them knowing.

0:53:34 > 0:53:37It supposedly happened when people used the Safari app between June

0:53:37 > 0:53:402011 and February 2012.

0:53:40 > 0:53:46We can talk to Richard Lloyd now.

0:53:46 > 0:53:51He is the former director of the consumer group Which? So hopefully

0:53:51 > 0:53:58he knows what he is talking about! What do you accuse Google of doing?

0:53:58 > 0:54:02This was 2011, 2012, Google were saying to people around the world

0:54:02 > 0:54:06they couldn't take your personal data from your iPhone whether they

0:54:06 > 0:54:10wanted to or not, at the very same time they were doing exactly that.

0:54:10 > 0:54:18They found a technical workaround that meant if you... They could take

0:54:18 > 0:54:22personal data. That is a breach of the data protection act. They were

0:54:22 > 0:54:26fined for this in the United States, a record fine. They were doing it.

0:54:26 > 0:54:31That is what the US regulator fined. What has not happened in this

0:54:31 > 0:54:35country is any consumer getting any redress for that massive misuse of

0:54:35 > 0:54:40their personal data which happened without people's consent.What sort

0:54:40 > 0:54:43of data are you talking about and how would anybody know if their data

0:54:43 > 0:54:47had been taken by Google without their consent?You probably

0:54:47 > 0:54:52wouldn't. What Google did was secretly put cookies on everyone's

0:54:52 > 0:54:56Safari. If he didn't change the default security settings on your

0:54:56 > 0:54:58phone they would have taken that information about how you are using

0:54:58 > 0:54:59Safari without

0:54:59 > 0:55:04information about how you are using Safari without your permission.What

0:55:04 > 0:55:07websites you are looking at, what you are interested in, that kind of

0:55:07 > 0:55:11thing?Your interests, getting that data from the kind of websites you

0:55:11 > 0:55:15are visiting. Where you are, who you are. What they do with that, and

0:55:15 > 0:55:20this is what people often don't know about a company like Google, is they

0:55:20 > 0:55:24sell that personal data to advertisers. They made $80 billion

0:55:24 > 0:55:28doing exactly this just last year. This is hugely profitable for them.

0:55:28 > 0:55:32We are saying it was illegal the way they did that to British consumers.

0:55:32 > 0:55:37There is a sense that Google have somehow been operating outside the

0:55:37 > 0:55:39law, that they would be held to account in this country. Well sorry,

0:55:39 > 0:55:44they broke the law here, we are saying. We want to see them in court

0:55:44 > 0:55:48and give consumers back the money we think they are old for this misuse

0:55:48 > 0:55:53of their data.Google say this is not new, we have defended similar

0:55:53 > 0:55:58cases before, we do not believe it has any merit and we were contested.

0:55:58 > 0:56:03It is a shame. A lot of people look fondly at Google. But underneath

0:56:03 > 0:56:07that is a business model but I think people are starting to distrust.

0:56:07 > 0:56:11They are fighting this case, afraid to say, on technical grounds. They

0:56:11 > 0:56:17are saying, OK, this case should be held in California, not the UK.

0:56:17 > 0:56:21Ridiculous, this is about British consumers and British law. I would

0:56:21 > 0:56:27like them to win back some trust from consumers by saying, OK, we did

0:56:27 > 0:56:29something wrong, we will put it right. Their lawyers are very

0:56:29 > 0:56:34expensive. They will try to drag this out. I think we have a good

0:56:34 > 0:56:39chance of winning this. In doing so, setting a strong precedent for how

0:56:39 > 0:56:43these tech giants should treat our personal data in this country with

0:56:43 > 0:56:48some better respect.They are contested. We just said that. But if

0:56:48 > 0:56:53they are to do what you want them to do, which is, OK, we did it, it

0:56:53 > 0:56:58would be up to them to tell individual iPhone users they did it

0:56:58 > 0:57:02to them, that they mind their personal information?The court will

0:57:02 > 0:57:08decide.Is this criminal -- a criminal court?It is not. It is a

0:57:08 > 0:57:13High Court. My job would be to make sure that everyone, nearly 5.5

0:57:13 > 0:57:16million, if we win my job would be to get all of those people, as many

0:57:16 > 0:57:20as possible, to get them the money they are old as easily as possible.

0:57:20 > 0:57:26There will be some time for people to claim. In the end this is about

0:57:26 > 0:57:29holding Google to account and sending a strong message to silicon

0:57:29 > 0:57:34valley that British consumers cannot have their data breach in this way.

0:57:34 > 0:57:39How are you funding this case? Google's pockets are very deep. We

0:57:39 > 0:57:44have gone to a firm who have given us the money. They are a litigation

0:57:44 > 0:57:49funding firm in London. This is the way this kind of case has to be run

0:57:49 > 0:57:55because I can't do it on my own. What is in it for the company?

0:57:55 > 0:58:00First, to support a really important case with big ramifications for

0:58:00 > 0:58:03public policy and will make these firms be held to account. They get a

0:58:03 > 0:58:06very small amount of whatever damages we might win. If we lose,

0:58:06 > 0:58:13they do not get anything. The point is this is of such big public

0:58:13 > 0:58:19importance, that we have been able to raise money for this to go

0:58:19 > 0:58:24through the courts for as long as it takes.Richard Lloyd, thank you.

0:58:24 > 0:58:28News and sport on the way at ten o'clock. Before

0:58:28 > 0:58:28News and sport on the way at ten o'clock. Before that, the weather.

0:58:28 > 0:58:34Here is mapped. Thank you. Last day of autumn today. It is already

0:58:34 > 0:58:38beginning to feel like the depths of winter. We have scenes like this in

0:58:38 > 0:58:45the past hour in the hills in North Yorkshire. And a bit of St Andrew's

0:58:45 > 0:58:51day snow in parts of Scotland. Snow flurries continue through today and

0:58:51 > 0:58:58and across eastern England they will come further inland. Maybe into the

0:58:58 > 0:59:02East Midlands. Mainly rain and sleet here. Rain and sleet across parts of

0:59:02 > 0:59:06Wales, south-west England, Devon and Cornwall, Northern Ireland. Those

0:59:06 > 0:59:11showers becoming confined to the far western fringes later. Most of you,

0:59:11 > 0:59:15away from the showers, it is a dry, sunny and cold day. Especially in

0:59:15 > 0:59:22the winter. Below freezing. The wind blowing in showers across eastern

0:59:22 > 0:59:26part of the country. Tonight, the showers keep coming across eastern

0:59:26 > 0:59:29parts of England. That could leave a dusting of snow in places. Icy

0:59:29 > 0:59:33conditions into tomorrow morning. Further west, the showers fade away.

0:59:33 > 0:59:38Temperatures drop the furthest. In rural Scotland we could get as low

0:59:38 > 0:59:43as minus ten.

0:59:43 > 0:59:45Hello it's Thursday 30th November, it's 10 o'clock,

0:59:45 > 0:59:46I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

0:59:46 > 0:59:49Net migration into the UK sees it biggest fall on record ,

0:59:49 > 0:59:55down by 100,000, in the year after the Brexit referendum

1:00:01 > 1:00:05Around 75,000 fewer EU citizens chose not to come to Britain.

1:00:05 > 1:00:07Reaction to that in the next half hour.

1:00:07 > 1:00:11After she told him he was wrong for retweeting a UK far right group,

1:00:11 > 1:00:13Donald Trump has now hit back at Theresa May, telling the PM

1:00:13 > 1:00:15to focus on terrorism, not him.

1:00:15 > 1:00:18Politicians here say his comments are dangerous and his planned state

1:00:18 > 1:00:22visit to the UK should be cancelled.

1:00:22 > 1:00:25A British citizen would not be given entry clearance into

1:00:25 > 1:00:30the United States of America if that British citizen has done anything

1:00:30 > 1:00:36which in any way undermines the fabric of USA society or security,

1:00:36 > 1:00:42and that is exactly what the President of

1:00:42 > 1:00:46the United States has done.

1:00:46 > 1:00:49The government says it wants to get an extra million disabled people

1:00:49 > 1:00:50in to work within ten years.

1:00:50 > 1:00:53But ministers also say there needs to be a "culture change"

1:00:53 > 1:00:58so employers and employees can work together.

1:00:58 > 1:01:01Despite having done a masters, 28-year-old Bethany

1:01:01 > 1:01:07who has cerebral palsy, has never been able to find work.

1:01:07 > 1:01:11It really is worth giving somebody a chance and it's worth giving me a

1:01:11 > 1:01:19chance and looking past what people might see as physical barriers and

1:01:19 > 1:01:23try and focus on how we can create social change together.

1:01:31 > 1:01:34If you have had a disability and found it difficult to get paid work,

1:01:34 > 1:01:38let us know. We'll have that conversation coming up.

1:01:38 > 1:01:40Good morning it's 10 o'clock, here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom

1:01:40 > 1:01:42with a summary of today's news.

1:01:42 > 1:01:45Net long-term migration to the UK was 230,000 in the year

1:01:45 > 1:01:47to the end of June 2017, a fall of more than 100,000

1:01:47 > 1:01:51on the previous year, official estimates show.

1:01:51 > 1:01:53It's the biggest fall on record.

1:01:53 > 1:01:57Three quarters of the fall is down to changes in EU migration in the 12

1:01:57 > 1:02:01months since the Brexit referendum.

1:02:01 > 1:02:05President Trump has told Theresa May that she should pay more attention

1:02:05 > 1:02:07to tackling terrorism in the UK, rather than criticising him.

1:02:07 > 1:02:10The message was delivered in a tweet last night after Downing Street

1:02:10 > 1:02:13criticised the US President for sharing anti-Muslim videos

1:02:13 > 1:02:17posted by a British far-right group on social media.

1:02:17 > 1:02:21The row has placed more pressure on the Prime Minister to cancel

1:02:21 > 1:02:25Mr Trump's state visit to the UK next year.

1:02:25 > 1:02:29BBC News understands that a 24-year-old British man who went

1:02:29 > 1:02:32to Syria to fight the Islamic State group has been killed.

1:02:32 > 1:02:36Oliver Hall from the Portsmouth area is the seventh British volunteer

1:02:36 > 1:02:41to have died in the country having joined a Kurdish militia.

1:02:41 > 1:02:45The United States has called on China to stop supplying crude

1:02:45 > 1:02:47oil to North Korea in response to its latest test

1:02:47 > 1:02:49of a ballistic missile.

1:02:49 > 1:02:53At an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council in New York,

1:02:53 > 1:02:57Washington's Ambassador to the UN, Nikki Haley, also urged other

1:02:57 > 1:03:01countries to cut their trade and diplomatic ties with Pyongyang.

1:03:01 > 1:03:05The government is setting out plans to get a million more disabled

1:03:05 > 1:03:07people into work over the next 10 years.

1:03:07 > 1:03:12Less than half of the UK's disabled population is currently in work

1:03:12 > 1:03:15and last year only 8% of businesses employed a person with a disability.

1:03:15 > 1:03:19Charities say progress from previous, similar

1:03:19 > 1:03:20schemes has been too slow.

1:03:20 > 1:03:25Scientists say they have made an "incredibly important" advance

1:03:25 > 1:03:27in the prevention of migraine.

1:03:27 > 1:03:30The results of two clinical trials published in the New England

1:03:30 > 1:03:32Journal of Medicine showed that injections of antibodies

1:03:32 > 1:03:35can be used to neutralise a chemical which is believed

1:03:35 > 1:03:37to trigger severe headaches.

1:03:37 > 1:03:40Around half of patients reported a 50 % reduction in the number

1:03:40 > 1:03:44of attacks they had each month.

1:03:50 > 1:03:54That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.30.

1:03:54 > 1:03:57The Mayor of London's released a statement about the re-tweeting that

1:03:57 > 1:04:04Donald Trump did of those far right videos. Sadiq Khan says many Brits

1:04:04 > 1:04:08who love America and Americans will see this as a betrayal of the

1:04:08 > 1:04:11special relationship between our two countries, as Mayor of this great

1:04:11 > 1:04:15diverse city I've previously called on Theresa May to cancel her

1:04:15 > 1:04:20ill-judged offer of a state visit to Donald Trump, after this latest

1:04:20 > 1:04:25incident it's clear any official visit at all from President Trump to

1:04:25 > 1:04:31Britain would not be welcomed. More on that in the next half hour. Let's

1:04:31 > 1:04:38get more on the migration figures. Our correspondent is here. This is a

1:04:38 > 1:04:43heck of a drop?Yes, it's a bit of a stat so I'll go through it slowly.

1:04:43 > 1:04:50In the year up to the June referendum in 2016, net migration

1:04:50 > 1:04:53was very high, 340,000 more people were coming to live in the UK in any

1:04:53 > 1:04:58given year than the numbers who were leaving. It wasn't quite the peak,

1:04:58 > 1:05:03that was a year or so before then but it was incredibly high. In the

1:05:03 > 1:05:08year since the referendum, net migration's fallen by 106,000, the

1:05:08 > 1:05:11greatest drop the Office for National Statistics has ever

1:05:11 > 1:05:18recorded. Net migration stands at 230,000 a year, a dramatic fall.

1:05:18 > 1:05:24Assuming the Government wants to stick to its targets of getting net

1:05:24 > 1:05:28migration below 100,000, it's getting closer to that. Now, high is

1:05:28 > 1:05:31this happening? It looks like it's some kind of Brexit effect. We can't

1:05:31 > 1:05:37say for sure, we are only a year in, but the key drivers in this have

1:05:37 > 1:05:45been changes in EU migration. In the year since, we have seen EU

1:05:45 > 1:05:49migration go down dramatically, 80,000 fewer EU nationals are

1:05:49 > 1:05:54turning up, looking for a place in the UK. Critically, within that, I

1:05:54 > 1:05:57think this is really interesting - far fewer EU nationals are turning

1:05:57 > 1:06:02up looking for work - that is a category in the immigration

1:06:02 > 1:06:05statistics, so the classic stereotype would be a Polish plumber

1:06:05 > 1:06:09who wants to earn more money in the UK, he's got mates already here and

1:06:09 > 1:06:13thinks, I'll make a go of it. A lot of those arrivals are drying up.

1:06:13 > 1:06:17Other EU workers are still arriving but only if they have a ditch nit

1:06:17 > 1:06:20job, we have seen a big change there. Another big change, the

1:06:20 > 1:06:24number of EU nationals who're emigrating, giving up on the UK is

1:06:24 > 1:06:30up by 30%. That is quite a change. They've decided to up sticks. I'm

1:06:30 > 1:06:33wondering whether it was a combination of facts that is going

1:06:33 > 1:06:39on here. Anecdotally you pick up the fear, around the Brexit effects and

1:06:39 > 1:06:43that may be reflected in the fact that more EU nationals apply for

1:06:43 > 1:06:47British nationality, that has risen 80%. The economic effects of this is

1:06:47 > 1:06:52another thing. It's a question now that some workers are sitting there

1:06:52 > 1:06:55thinking, is it worth coming to the UK because of Brexit but also

1:06:55 > 1:07:01because of the economic factors because so few are coming. One

1:07:01 > 1:07:06interesting figure in this which isn't picked up in the ONS sticks,

1:07:06 > 1:07:11before the referendum, £1 bought a Polish worker back home 6 Z loty so

1:07:11 > 1:07:14that was a Boon to their family, they were sending a lot of money

1:07:14 > 1:07:21home. That's fallen by a quarter since the referendum. So for many

1:07:21 > 1:07:24workers, it may not be worth sending money home and therefore not turning

1:07:24 > 1:07:28up in the first place and that may account for the falls of eastern and

1:07:28 > 1:07:31central European workers and the western European workers we are

1:07:31 > 1:07:37seeing going as well.Thank you very much. 230,000 is what net migration

1:07:37 > 1:07:40is from 2016-2017. Still a long way to two if the Government wants to

1:07:40 > 1:07:44stick to its target of bringing it down to the tens of thousands. Now

1:07:44 > 1:07:48here is the sport with Huw.

1:07:48 > 1:07:51Everton impressed their new manager Sam Allardyce but the night belonged

1:07:51 > 1:07:55to one man Wayne Rooney scoring his first Everton hat trick,

1:07:55 > 1:08:01and what a way to get it, as the ball fell to him

1:08:01 > 1:08:05in his own half, he fired it first time over the head of Joe Hart

1:08:05 > 1:08:07in the West ham goal.

1:08:07 > 1:08:11He says, it's one of the best goals he's ever scored

1:08:11 > 1:08:14and it's hard to disagree, when you're popping them

1:08:14 > 1:08:15in from the halfway line.

1:08:15 > 1:08:20And it gave departing interim manager David Unsworth a big win .

1:08:20 > 1:08:23Great hat trick, great display from Wayne. He was captain as well,

1:08:23 > 1:08:27captain for a reason going into a tough environment after a tough

1:08:27 > 1:08:31spell. I asked them to be men tonight and we spoke about the bad

1:08:31 > 1:08:35run has to come to an end, it doesn't last for ever and being a

1:08:35 > 1:08:39real man does, if you can stand up there and fight in times of trouble.

1:08:40 > 1:08:43From a great goal to pretty important one,

1:08:43 > 1:08:46Raheem Sterling's 96th-minute winner against Southampton extending

1:08:46 > 1:08:48manchester City's winning run to 12 consecutive matches..

1:08:48 > 1:08:51It was 1-1 going into stoppage time, and he curled this effort

1:08:51 > 1:08:54into the top corner.

1:08:54 > 1:08:59It sparked wild celebration at the Etihad Stadium..

1:08:59 > 1:09:02Burnley made it 4 wins from 7 away from home

1:09:02 > 1:09:07in the Premier League this season.

1:09:07 > 1:09:11Even more remarkable given they only won once away in all of last season.

1:09:11 > 1:09:14A 2-1 win at Bournemouth means Sean Dyche's side move above Spurs,

1:09:14 > 1:09:18up to sixth in the table.

1:09:18 > 1:09:21After touching down in new Zealand, Ben Stokes has signed to play

1:09:21 > 1:09:23domestic cricket for Canterbury, but is unlikely

1:09:23 > 1:09:24to play in the Ashes.

1:09:24 > 1:09:34He's still to hear if he'll be charged following an incident

1:09:34 > 1:09:35outside a Bristol nightclub.

1:09:35 > 1:09:38The police have handed their file to the Crown Prosecution service.

1:09:38 > 1:09:42He could be here through to the T20. Any time you get to rub shoulders

1:09:42 > 1:09:47with a player of that calibre, it's an excitement for the players, and I

1:09:47 > 1:09:51think that's great for us.That's all the sport for now. More later

1:09:51 > 1:10:01on. There is movement on the question surrounding the state visit

1:10:01 > 1:10:03invitation that Theresa May issued to Donald Trump quite a long time

1:10:03 > 1:10:06ago now so let's speak to Norman Smith. We are expecting something in

1:10:06 > 1:10:10the Commons?We are going to get what is called an urgent question

1:10:10 > 1:10:14which means a Government minister has to come to the Commons and reply

1:10:14 > 1:10:19to MPs about the Donald Trump tweet. So it's going to be a full-blown

1:10:19 > 1:10:23Commons debate about the issue and, all the time you sense pressure is

1:10:23 > 1:10:27building on Downing Street to rethink this offer of a state visit

1:10:27 > 1:10:31to the President with the Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, weighing in in

1:10:31 > 1:10:37the past few minutes, as we were hearing, saying that Mr Trump had

1:10:37 > 1:10:40betrayed the special relationship by his tweets. We have had other

1:10:40 > 1:10:43government ministers this morning, perhaps the most striking one I

1:10:43 > 1:10:49think was Sajid Javid last night. Let me read you what he said. He's

1:10:49 > 1:10:55extremely angry and personally affronted:So Potus has endorsed the

1:10:55 > 1:10:59views of a vile hate-filled racist organisation that hates me and

1:10:59 > 1:11:05people like me. She wrong and I refuse to let it go and say nothing.

1:11:05 > 1:11:10You really get a sense of his personal anger at the President and

1:11:10 > 1:11:14for Mrs May, she has to decide now how does she respond because she's

1:11:14 > 1:11:18going to be delivering a speech in Jordan where she is at the moment,

1:11:18 > 1:11:21I've seen the speech, nothing in it about the Trump tweet there, but

1:11:21 > 1:11:24there's going to be questions and answers afterwards. Downing Street

1:11:24 > 1:11:27knows she's going to be asked about it, she's going to have to answer.

1:11:27 > 1:11:32What does she say? My guess is she will absolutely not want to get into

1:11:32 > 1:11:36a war of words with Donald Trump by escalating it. I suspect she'll

1:11:36 > 1:11:42still a line that it's Trump was wrong, but that the stale visit is

1:11:42 > 1:11:47going to go ahead. Before--- state visit is going to go ahead.Yasmin,

1:11:47 > 1:11:52what do you think should happen?I think definitely the state visit

1:11:52 > 1:11:55should be cancelled. It should never have been issued, to be honest, in

1:11:55 > 1:11:59the first week of his presidency. It's not something we automatically

1:11:59 > 1:12:03offer all Presidents of the USA, it's often done when he's been in

1:12:03 > 1:12:07position for a few years, precisely to see what kind of office that

1:12:07 > 1:12:10person will be holding their behaviour, their conduct, perhaps.

1:12:10 > 1:12:17Why should it be cancelled?Because he has said, not just now, but the

1:12:17 > 1:12:20stuff he retweeted yesterday, which it turns out some of them are fake

1:12:20 > 1:12:27in any event. If you are a leader of a country, the last thing you do,

1:12:27 > 1:12:31you re-tweet or show videos or say comments which cause division and

1:12:31 > 1:12:36disunity. Gosh, every community and country has so many challenges

1:12:36 > 1:12:41anyway, we don't need to unify everyone. For then accentuate and

1:12:41 > 1:12:45pick on a particular group or any group for that matter, and try to

1:12:45 > 1:12:52feed into the narrative of racism, of vile racism that's going on here,

1:12:52 > 1:12:57it's so wrong on every single level. And this organisation that he was

1:12:57 > 1:13:03re-tweeting this stuff is a fascist racist organisation the head of whom

1:13:03 > 1:13:06has been convicted of a criminal offence and they are purporting... I

1:13:06 > 1:13:11mean even if any aspect of what was in this was correct, it's still not

1:13:11 > 1:13:15right for the President of the United States or any leader of a

1:13:15 > 1:13:21country to re-tweet those kinds of things. What do you think about the

1:13:21 > 1:13:27extraordinary way that Donald Trump has tweeted Theresa May directly to

1:13:27 > 1:13:32tell her how to do her job effectively to stop focussing on me,

1:13:32 > 1:13:37he said in the tweet overnight, focus on radical, as he put it,

1:13:37 > 1:13:42Islamic terrorism?Well, I mean, that is also completely wrong. He's

1:13:42 > 1:13:46telling Theresa May, well actually, can I just say to him if he's

1:13:46 > 1:13:51listening, that we are actually OK in this country, there's been so

1:13:51 > 1:13:54many killings, thousands and thousands of killings taking place

1:13:54 > 1:13:58in the USA, their medical care's in a complete mess, they've got a gap

1:13:58 > 1:14:02between the rich and the poor which is so bad. There is so much killing

1:14:02 > 1:14:06going on. I mean just recently, somebody went in and killed how many

1:14:06 > 1:14:14people? He doesn't talk about them. I think that, you know, what Theresa

1:14:14 > 1:14:16May said, not surprisingly supporting a conservative Prime

1:14:16 > 1:14:19Minister but what she said was right, in fact I think her words

1:14:19 > 1:14:24could be much more stronger because he's talking about our country in a

1:14:24 > 1:14:28derogatory way and he's talking about it like that, so she has the

1:14:28 > 1:14:32right to respond to it.OK, can I be clear then. You are obviously

1:14:32 > 1:14:37absolutely adamant that the state visit should be cancelled. What

1:14:37 > 1:14:41about a more informal visit? Is he welcome in this country as far as

1:14:41 > 1:14:45you're concerned?He's not welcome as far as I'm concerned. But, he is

1:14:45 > 1:14:49the President of the United States of America and if he wants to come

1:14:49 > 1:14:54on work with it or unofficial visit, you know, if you apply the usual

1:14:54 > 1:14:59standards, so we have a standard where we say that people who have

1:14:59 > 1:15:02extreme views or insight hatred, normally under the Home Office rules

1:15:02 > 1:15:06they are not allowed to come to this country.That is right, they get put

1:15:06 > 1:15:10on a banned list.Exactly, in fact as was the Prime Minister of India,

1:15:10 > 1:15:13he was on a banned list by the USA and the UK, but after he got elected

1:15:13 > 1:15:17he came in. So I suppose in the real world, we probably have no

1:15:17 > 1:15:21alternative but for him to come and I certainly can't stop that. But I

1:15:21 > 1:15:25think the state visit is a different thing. It's a special honour, given

1:15:25 > 1:15:35for special people and he's definitely not a special person.

1:15:35 > 1:15:39The government is today setting out plans to get 1 million more disabled

1:15:39 > 1:15:44people in work over the next decade. Ministers say the new strategy will

1:15:44 > 1:15:47not only help those with disabilities get work, but make sure

1:15:47 > 1:15:52they keep the job and progress with the job. The announcement includes

1:15:52 > 1:15:55plans to provide access to personalised support for those with

1:15:55 > 1:16:01particular mental health issues as well, and an increase in the number

1:16:01 > 1:16:06of health care professionals able to issue work notices. I've been

1:16:06 > 1:16:11speaking to one man who suffers from Tourette's. He was dropped from his

1:16:11 > 1:16:17last job because started having verbal tics. He features in the new

1:16:17 > 1:16:25BBC programme employable mate. -- employable mate. I have also been

1:16:25 > 1:16:29speaking to Bethany Young, who is 28 with cerebral palsy. She has never

1:16:29 > 1:16:32found paid work despite having a Masters degree in English

1:16:32 > 1:16:39literature. I asked Brian to explain when his physical tics began.

1:16:39 > 1:16:43When I was 15 I had a massive pressure headache that they classed

1:16:43 > 1:16:47as cluster migraines and...

1:16:47 > 1:16:52And they were there for about two to three weeks.

1:16:52 > 1:16:55It was a long period of them.

1:16:55 > 1:16:57And I was doing a drama performance at school,

1:16:57 > 1:17:01I managed to just get through that and I asked the teacher

1:17:01 > 1:17:09if I could go to the medical room.

1:17:09 > 1:17:13So I went to the medical room and within about 20 minutes

1:17:13 > 1:17:14the headache just lifted as if somebody had

1:17:14 > 1:17:19popped a balloon in my head, like that pressure.

1:17:19 > 1:17:20And it just went.

1:17:20 > 1:17:22Wow.

1:17:22 > 1:17:24And then a few minutes after that my head started

1:17:24 > 1:17:32ticking and jerking.

1:17:32 > 1:17:35And they took me to hospital and then suddenly I was going through CT

1:17:35 > 1:17:38scans a lot.

1:17:38 > 1:17:40And then the head tics, I didn't have no vocal tics

1:17:40 > 1:17:43at this point, so my local tics were completely silent.

1:17:43 > 1:17:47And then it went down from my head to my shoulder and

1:17:47 > 1:17:50then they almost completely disappeared and I was having what

1:17:50 > 1:17:53looked like seizures on the floor and the hospital was classing them

1:17:53 > 1:17:55as pseudo-seizures.

1:17:55 > 1:17:59Behavioural seizures.

1:17:59 > 1:18:02And then they said that my head tics were teenage tics and that

1:18:02 > 1:18:07I would grow out of them but obviously I didn't because a year

1:18:07 > 1:18:11ago, February gone, I went into work one morning and felt a bit funny

1:18:11 > 1:18:15and thought I was going to have what I

1:18:15 > 1:18:17thought at the time were pseudo-seizures, and went down

1:18:17 > 1:18:18to the manager's office and asked

1:18:18 > 1:18:28for a glass of water.

1:18:32 > 1:18:35And as soon as I asked for a glass of water I

1:18:35 > 1:18:37responded to myself going, no, you can die of thirst.

1:18:37 > 1:18:40Out of nowhere, just my voice decided to respond to me.

1:18:40 > 1:18:42So there's me going, "Am I possessed, or what, what's

1:18:42 > 1:18:43going on?"

1:18:43 > 1:18:46And then obviously after that it just progressed into things, so I

1:18:46 > 1:18:49had tics coming out of my mouth like salt on slugs.

1:18:49 > 1:18:50Organic cucumber!

1:18:50 > 1:18:51That's one of my favourite ones.

1:18:51 > 1:18:54And I went to my neurologist after a few

1:18:54 > 1:18:57years of not seeing him and he's gone, yeah,

1:18:57 > 1:19:00I've been toying with the idea of Tourette's but I didn't want

1:19:00 > 1:19:01to be putting that in your head.

1:19:01 > 1:19:04I've been waiting for it to manifest.

1:19:04 > 1:19:07And it led to in your last job, you being asked to leave?

1:19:07 > 1:19:11Yeah, the manager in my last job, at first she

1:19:11 > 1:19:14was like, go on sick pay, concentrate on yourself, like,

1:19:14 > 1:19:18obviously if you're on sick pay you're going to be getting income so

1:19:18 > 1:19:24that will be less stress on you but you won't be at work.

1:19:24 > 1:19:27And then higher up they sort of just realised

1:19:27 > 1:19:34that maybe sort of, I don't know, I felt like collateral damage.

1:19:34 > 1:19:36What was the issue with your Tourette's

1:19:36 > 1:19:37in the job you are doing?

1:19:37 > 1:19:41It was because it was public.

1:19:41 > 1:19:43I've forgotten what you call it now.

1:19:43 > 1:19:44Public facing?

1:19:44 > 1:19:45Public facing, that's it.

1:19:45 > 1:19:47Customer service.

1:19:47 > 1:19:53It was in retail.

1:19:53 > 1:19:56So they were just worried that I'd end up having a reputation

1:19:56 > 1:19:59of being the boy with Tourette's on the shop floor that people were

1:19:59 > 1:20:01going to come in and the Mickey out of.

1:20:01 > 1:20:02Were you worried about that?

1:20:02 > 1:20:04I was, especially after they told me that.

1:20:04 > 1:20:06I know the stigma around Tourette's and everything

1:20:06 > 1:20:11else is ridiculously high and it's a barrier that needs breaking.

1:20:11 > 1:20:12Yeah.

1:20:12 > 1:20:16You took part in the BBC programme Employable Me which helped you find

1:20:16 > 1:20:20work and we can now see your trial shift.

1:20:20 > 1:20:21Let's have a look.

1:20:21 > 1:20:23Excited?

1:20:23 > 1:20:24Yeah.

1:20:24 > 1:20:25You've got nothing to be worried about.

1:20:25 > 1:20:31It's cool.

1:20:31 > 1:20:33For the first time since his diagnosis, Ryan

1:20:33 > 1:20:39will be dealing with new co-workers and serving the public.

1:20:39 > 1:20:44When I'm cleaning windows.

1:20:44 > 1:20:47You're going to be feeding chips.

1:20:47 > 1:20:51I'm going to batter all these BLEEP.

1:20:51 > 1:20:53I'm not going to lie, I was a little bit taken

1:20:53 > 1:20:54aback at first.

1:20:54 > 1:20:58You do not hear that in a shop anywhere.

1:20:58 > 1:20:59The coping mechanism I'm going through at the

1:20:59 > 1:21:03moment is pretending that what I'm doing is what I do at my house.

1:21:03 > 1:21:05I'm trying to get my brain into saying,

1:21:05 > 1:21:06"You're familiar with this, you don't need

1:21:06 > 1:21:09to feel out of place."

1:21:09 > 1:21:13And if I can find a place to work like this full time I'll be

1:21:13 > 1:21:15well happy, over the rainbow and all that.

1:21:15 > 1:21:18Munchkin land!

1:21:18 > 1:21:21And now we're going to see the clip where you get the job.

1:21:21 > 1:21:25WHISTLES

1:21:25 > 1:21:26Woo!

1:21:26 > 1:21:27Yay!

1:21:27 > 1:21:28Hello.

1:21:28 > 1:21:29Hello, Ryan.

1:21:29 > 1:21:30Are you all right?

1:21:30 > 1:21:31Not too bad.

1:21:31 > 1:21:33I've got a call back for some feedback they

1:21:33 > 1:21:36want to give me, which is a bit surprising because I thought that

1:21:36 > 1:21:38was sort of the end of it.

1:21:38 > 1:21:40But we'll see what they've got to say.

1:21:40 > 1:21:42So, when you were on the work trial I

1:21:42 > 1:21:44was a little bit nervous.

1:21:44 > 1:21:47There were a few awkward moments.

1:21:47 > 1:21:50Normally we have a no swearing on the shop floor policy.

1:21:50 > 1:21:52When there's mode of people my brain just goes, uh!

1:21:52 > 1:21:54Having said that, there wasn't a single bad word

1:21:54 > 1:21:58said from any of the customers that we spoke to after they'd been served

1:21:58 > 1:21:59by you.

1:21:59 > 1:22:00Brilliant.

1:22:00 > 1:22:01We do think you deserve a chance.

1:22:01 > 1:22:03You've got passion, you've got bundles of it.

1:22:03 > 1:22:05We've had a vacancy open up just a couple

1:22:05 > 1:22:07of days a week, hands-on with

1:22:07 > 1:22:09the fish feeding, cleaning and we'd like you on board

1:22:09 > 1:22:10as part of the team.

1:22:10 > 1:22:13That's brilliant.

1:22:13 > 1:22:14It's amazing.

1:22:14 > 1:22:17I'm really quite chuffed with myself.

1:22:17 > 1:22:18You definitely deserve it.

1:22:18 > 1:22:19Thank you.

1:22:19 > 1:22:21I'll be happy to do it.

1:22:21 > 1:22:23Congratulations.

1:22:23 > 1:22:24Thank you.

1:22:24 > 1:22:27You were very honest in that programme.

1:22:27 > 1:22:29You did talk about your reservations about hiring Ryan.

1:22:29 > 1:22:33What were some of the things you were worried about?

1:22:33 > 1:22:35Initially I think...

1:22:35 > 1:22:37Thought he'd end up paying for it with his job.

1:22:37 > 1:22:38Exactly.

1:22:38 > 1:22:39LAUGHTER

1:22:39 > 1:22:42I mean, swearing on the shop floor

1:22:42 > 1:22:45is something we've sort of always frowned upon.

1:22:45 > 1:22:50WHISTLES

1:22:50 > 1:22:53And the tic attacks and the health and safety medications potentially

1:22:53 > 1:22:56off the back of that we were concerned about that.

1:22:56 > 1:23:01How the customers would would find Ryan.

1:23:01 > 1:23:04It turned out really well.

1:23:04 > 1:23:07How other customers towards you?

1:23:07 > 1:23:12I've not had any bad experience.

1:23:12 > 1:23:14Coffin dodgers!

1:23:14 > 1:23:16That was one of them.

1:23:16 > 1:23:21That was the main one that got out, to be fair.

1:23:21 > 1:23:24But I've not had any bad experience from them.

1:23:24 > 1:23:27It's been quite surreal, actually.

1:23:27 > 1:23:30Because, normally you'd think there is, like I said,

1:23:30 > 1:23:34massive stigma against it all.

1:23:34 > 1:23:37And, yeah, it's weird.

1:23:37 > 1:23:39I honestly thought I'd have a lot more.

1:23:39 > 1:23:43I've had a few iffy comments like, obviously I

1:23:43 > 1:23:48don't want to drag anything too much, but if I pick something heavy

1:23:48 > 1:23:52up sometimes that can be a trigger, which means I want to chuck it and I

1:23:52 > 1:23:55don't want to be picking up a big barrels of water and then chucking

1:23:55 > 1:23:59it across the shop floor breaking glass or anything.

1:23:59 > 1:24:01And one person did turn around and go, "Oh, you're

1:24:01 > 1:24:02just being lazy now."

1:24:02 > 1:24:04Right.

1:24:04 > 1:24:06And I was sort of like, "No, I have got Tourette's."

1:24:06 > 1:24:08And they just sort of laughed it off.

1:24:08 > 1:24:10That sort of like my mentality at the moment.

1:24:10 > 1:24:11Fair enough.

1:24:11 > 1:24:13Let me bring in Bethany.

1:24:13 > 1:24:14WHISTLES

1:24:14 > 1:24:15Hi, Bethany, how are you?

1:24:15 > 1:24:16Hi.

1:24:16 > 1:24:19Explain to our audience why it is you think that you have never

1:24:19 > 1:24:21been able to find a paid job, despite

1:24:21 > 1:24:25having very high level and brilliant academic qualifications.

1:24:25 > 1:24:29I think there's a number of factors that

1:24:29 > 1:24:31have come together to create that as an issue.

1:24:31 > 1:24:39I think for me I had very patchy careers service advice

1:24:39 > 1:24:42throughout school.

1:24:42 > 1:24:47There's not enough transitional support between

1:24:47 > 1:24:51different services, so in my case I left university having been very

1:24:51 > 1:24:54well supported by my university, and with

1:24:54 > 1:24:57regards to access to work, in

1:24:57 > 1:25:02order to have a conversation with them you need to have a role, or

1:25:02 > 1:25:06have an interview, and almost know that you're going to have a role

1:25:06 > 1:25:09before you can have a conversation about how an assessment is going to

1:25:09 > 1:25:10work.

1:25:10 > 1:25:11Right.

1:25:11 > 1:25:12But you've had interviews?

1:25:12 > 1:25:13Yes, I've had interviews.

1:25:13 > 1:25:17And what response do you get from replies in interviews?

1:25:17 > 1:25:20I've had some very good responses in terms of good reactions to me

1:25:20 > 1:25:21personally.

1:25:21 > 1:25:24But it's never led to going any further than that.

1:25:24 > 1:25:27So, I know that my manner and the way that I

1:25:27 > 1:25:30am isn't the problem.

1:25:30 > 1:25:33But I do feel like maybe there might be some other

1:25:33 > 1:25:36fears there that employers have possibly

1:25:36 > 1:25:38around access to work in terms of...

1:25:38 > 1:25:40Like what, for example.

1:25:40 > 1:25:42In terms of wondering what the gap is going to

1:25:42 > 1:25:46be between them possibly giving me a job and my assessment coming in to

1:25:46 > 1:25:49place. Possibly that might be an issue.

1:25:49 > 1:25:51So not about your ability to do a job.

1:25:51 > 1:25:55No, I don't think people necessarily thinking that mentally I

1:25:55 > 1:25:58can't do it.

1:25:58 > 1:26:02Possibly there might be making assumptions.

1:26:02 > 1:26:08Physically I use a personal assistant on a day-to-day

1:26:08 > 1:26:13basis and, you know, having stability with my social care is a

1:26:13 > 1:26:15factor with work.

1:26:15 > 1:26:17But I personally feel that being connected into work

1:26:17 > 1:26:22would make me more secure, not less.

1:26:22 > 1:26:23How frustrating is that for you?

1:26:23 > 1:26:25It's very frustrating.

1:26:25 > 1:26:27Very frustrating because it's been a long

1:26:27 > 1:26:30time and the longer it is the harder it is to overcome the level of

1:26:30 > 1:26:37isolation in between interviews.

1:26:38 > 1:26:40What would you say to employers who clearly have reservations,

1:26:40 > 1:26:46this part of the reason why government is

1:26:46 > 1:26:49saying it's going to try to help to get more people with disabilities

1:26:49 > 1:26:50into work?

1:26:50 > 1:26:56I think you've got to sort of look past the disabilities

1:26:56 > 1:27:00that people have and look past the problems and try and find what

1:27:00 > 1:27:04they're good at and find their abilities.

1:27:04 > 1:27:10From our point of view we've had great success with Ryan.

1:27:10 > 1:27:12He's very popular with the customers.

1:27:12 > 1:27:14Free advertisement.

1:27:14 > 1:27:18And free advertisement.

1:27:18 > 1:27:19No, he's been an absolute star.

1:27:19 > 1:27:22And it is very good for a company who's got a face

1:27:22 > 1:27:27with the public to show that you've got an inclusive workforce and

1:27:27 > 1:27:33represent the community that you're representing.

1:27:33 > 1:27:35What would you say, Bethany, directly to a boss who

1:27:35 > 1:27:39might be watching now, in terms of your employability?

1:27:39 > 1:27:43I would say it really is worth giving somebody a

1:27:43 > 1:27:47chance and it's worth giving me a chance and looking past

1:27:47 > 1:27:53what people might see as physical barriers and

1:27:53 > 1:27:56try and focus on how we can create social change together by allowing

1:27:56 > 1:28:03people to use the skills that they have and seeing the skills, rather

1:28:03 > 1:28:06than seeing a medical condition, or sometimes

1:28:06 > 1:28:11problems that people might

1:28:11 > 1:28:16assume that I have that aren't actually the issues.

1:28:16 > 1:28:21I think we need to really empower disabled people

1:28:21 > 1:28:24across the spectrum to be able to handle their own disclosure process,

1:28:24 > 1:28:26whether they've got a visible disability or not.

1:28:26 > 1:28:29Because, in my case, I feel that going into an

1:28:29 > 1:28:32interview with the wheelchair means that people feel that I've already

1:28:32 > 1:28:37disclosed what my issues might be.

1:28:37 > 1:28:39So, actually that's them deciding what those issues will be without

1:28:39 > 1:28:44having the in-depth conversation.

1:28:44 > 1:28:47And sometimes there might be things that they haven't thought of, or

1:28:47 > 1:28:49there might be assuming that it's more expensive

1:28:49 > 1:28:51than it actually is to do.

1:28:51 > 1:28:57If, for example, if I would be asking for flexible working.

1:28:57 > 1:29:00I think sometimes I feel that it's harder for entry-level employees to

1:29:00 > 1:29:05ask for flexible working because it's something that I think

1:29:05 > 1:29:10culturally is designed for people that have possibly sort of earned it

1:29:10 > 1:29:15by already being in the role.

1:29:15 > 1:29:17I understand.

1:29:17 > 1:29:21And by having children, parenthood people associate it in

1:29:21 > 1:29:25that way, even though you can ask for it legally, it's one of those

1:29:25 > 1:29:28things where you really feel like it's hard to really talk

1:29:28 > 1:29:29about the actual needs that you have versus

1:29:29 > 1:29:39what people might assume you might need.

1:29:40 > 1:29:50That was Bethany and Ryan and et al. Thank you for your messages. My

1:29:50 > 1:29:56epilepsy started when I was 24 and I am employed as a technician in the

1:29:56 > 1:30:01University physics teaching lab. It did not impede my lab that might

1:30:01 > 1:30:04work. When I moved about ten years later, nobody would give me a paid

1:30:04 > 1:30:08job but I could officially do voluntary work at the citizens

1:30:08 > 1:30:11Advice Bureau. I came to realise that ignorance leads to fear leads

1:30:11 > 1:30:17to prejudice. Good programme. There was a swear word in that which I

1:30:17 > 1:30:22have left out. Dear Victoria, thank you for the good work you do.

1:30:22 > 1:30:26Disable schools at times do not focus on the individual students.

1:30:26 > 1:30:31They have a one size fits all attitude. After school, students are

1:30:31 > 1:30:35given work placement in supermarkets. Where is the challenge

1:30:35 > 1:30:39them achieving their career goals? One more from a mum who doesn't want

1:30:39 > 1:30:43to use her name. I'm really interested in what the government is

1:30:43 > 1:30:46going to do about disability discrimination today. My son has a

1:30:46 > 1:30:51muscle condition which means he is an electric wheelchair user. Despite

1:30:51 > 1:30:57his disability, he has obtained number 2 degrees. Unfortunately,

1:30:57 > 1:31:01despite these qualifications he has been unable to find paid work within

1:31:01 > 1:31:06sports industries.

1:31:06 > 1:31:13The mum goes on, he has a brilliant mind. I feel if my son could brush

1:31:13 > 1:31:17floors, which he can't, then he would be more likely to get a menial

1:31:17 > 1:31:22job, but not one that would reflect his abilities. I wait with baited

1:31:22 > 1:31:27breath for the good news that will be announced today (not) she says.

1:31:27 > 1:31:31We'll be live in the House of Commons shortly where the Government

1:31:31 > 1:31:35is going to make its comments on the diplomatic row between Donald Trump

1:31:35 > 1:31:38and Theresa May. Whatever we are discussing at that moment, we'll

1:31:38 > 1:31:43cross straight to it. You will not miss that urgent question in the

1:31:43 > 1:31:46Commons following the diplomatic row between Donald Trump and Theresa

1:31:46 > 1:31:52May, the Prime Minister, over the re-tweeting that Mr Trump did of

1:31:52 > 1:31:59various anti-Muslim videos. Here is the latest news with Annita.

1:31:59 > 1:32:02Net long-term migration to the UK was 230,000 in the year

1:32:02 > 1:32:05to the end of June 2017, a fall of more than 100,000

1:32:05 > 1:32:08on the previous year, official estimates show.

1:32:08 > 1:32:10It's the biggest fall on record.

1:32:10 > 1:32:15Three quarters of the fall is down to changes in EU migration in the 12

1:32:15 > 1:32:18months since the Brexit referendum.

1:32:18 > 1:32:20President Trump has told Theresa May that she should pay more attention

1:32:20 > 1:32:23to tackling terrorism in the UK, rather than criticising him.

1:32:23 > 1:32:26The message was delivered in a tweet last night after Downing Street

1:32:26 > 1:32:28criticised the US President for sharing anti-Muslim videos

1:32:28 > 1:32:33posted by a British far-right group on social media.

1:32:33 > 1:32:38The row has placed more pressure on the Prime Minister to cancel

1:32:38 > 1:32:43Mr Trump's state visit to the UK next year.

1:32:43 > 1:32:45BBC News understands that a 24-year-old British man who went

1:32:45 > 1:32:49to Syria to fight the Islamic State group has been killed.

1:32:49 > 1:32:53Oliver Hall from the Portsmouth area is the seventh British volunteer

1:32:53 > 1:32:59to have died in the country having joined a Kurdish militia.

1:32:59 > 1:33:03The government is setting out plans to get a million more disabled

1:33:03 > 1:33:05people into work over the next 10 years.

1:33:05 > 1:33:11Less than half of the UK's disabled population is currently in work

1:33:11 > 1:33:14and last year only 8% of businesses employed a person with a disability.

1:33:14 > 1:33:16Charities say progress from previous, similar

1:33:16 > 1:33:18schemes has been too slow.

1:33:18 > 1:33:22Scientists say they have made an "incredibly important" advance

1:33:22 > 1:33:25in the prevention of migraine.

1:33:25 > 1:33:28The results of two clinical trials published in the New England

1:33:28 > 1:33:31Journal of Medicine showed that injections of antibodies

1:33:31 > 1:33:34can be used to neutralise a chemical which is believed

1:33:34 > 1:33:37to trigger severe headaches.

1:33:37 > 1:33:40Around half of patients reported a 50 % reduction in the number

1:33:40 > 1:33:41of attacks they had each month.

1:33:41 > 1:33:51That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

1:33:51 > 1:33:53Here's some sport now with Huw.

1:33:53 > 1:33:55Everton impressed their new manager Sam Allardyce but the night belonged

1:33:55 > 1:33:58to one man Wayne Rooney scoring his first Everton hat trick,

1:33:58 > 1:34:01and what a way to get it, as the ball fell to him

1:34:01 > 1:34:05in his own half, he fired it first time over the head of Joe Hart

1:34:05 > 1:34:09in the West ham goal.

1:34:09 > 1:34:12Manchester City re-established an eight point lead at the top of the

1:34:12 > 1:34:16Premier League with a 2-1 win over Southampton but it took a 96th

1:34:16 > 1:34:20minute goal from Raheem Sterling to do so. Burnley continued their good

1:34:20 > 1:34:25form away from home ah 2-1 win over Bournemouth move them up to sixth in

1:34:25 > 1:34:29the table and away from football, bone Stokes will make his return to

1:34:29 > 1:34:33cricket action, however it won't be for England just yet, he signed for

1:34:33 > 1:34:37New Zealand side Canterbury, a decision on whether he'll be charged

1:34:37 > 1:34:41by the CPS after his arrest in September may take several weeks.

1:34:41 > 1:34:45That's all the sport for now. We made it through. Back with more

1:34:45 > 1:34:51after 11. Thank you very much.

1:34:51 > 1:34:55We'll cross to the Commons when we get that question about the status

1:34:55 > 1:35:01of Donald Trump's planned state visit to the UK after the issue on

1:35:01 > 1:35:05the re-tweeting of the Islamic videos.

1:35:12 > 1:35:15We're all familiar with vulnerable children being placed

1:35:15 > 1:35:17with foster carers, or found adoptive parents.

1:35:17 > 1:35:20But in some cases, the best option for them is what's known as kinship

1:35:20 > 1:35:23care, where the child is looked after by a relative,

1:35:23 > 1:35:24often a grandparent.

1:35:24 > 1:35:26Until now, very little research has been done into the outcomes

1:35:26 > 1:35:28for these children to identify the benefits of staying

1:35:28 > 1:35:31with a family member, but also consider if there

1:35:31 > 1:35:32are any downsides.

1:35:32 > 1:35:34Today, the charity Grandparents Plus publishes the findings of a two-year

1:35:34 > 1:35:37research project based on in-depth interviews with young adults

1:35:37 > 1:35:37and their kinship carers.

1:35:37 > 1:35:40One of the main findings is that these families do not get

1:35:40 > 1:35:42anything like the support from social services

1:35:42 > 1:35:43that you might expect.

1:35:43 > 1:35:45Let's talk now to Jackie Carwright.

1:35:45 > 1:35:47She's raised her two grandchildren since they were babies, as her son

1:35:47 > 1:35:49has struggled with drug and alcohol problems.

1:35:49 > 1:35:51Poppy and Annabel Roberts are also here.

1:35:51 > 1:35:53Poppy has been looked after by her grandma, Annabel, since

1:35:53 > 1:35:56she was seven, as her mum couldn't care for her.

1:35:56 > 1:35:58Kate O'Brien is director of programmes at Grandparents Plus,

1:35:58 > 1:36:03who have conducted the research on kinship carers.

1:36:03 > 1:36:07Welcome all of you, thank you very much for coming on the programme. I

1:36:07 > 1:36:10may interrupt our programme to go to the Commons but don't wore vicious

1:36:10 > 1:36:15I'll come right back to you. Poppy, Annabel, what are the benefits to

1:36:15 > 1:36:20you being brought up by your grandma?Oh, well I think for me,

1:36:20 > 1:36:23kinship care has allowed me to have a more stable environment than if

1:36:23 > 1:36:27say I had been put into Foster care which has helped me take advantage

1:36:27 > 1:36:31of all of the opportunities I've had, to do well at school, to have

1:36:31 > 1:36:35normal friendships, which would just be so difficult if I was say in

1:36:35 > 1:36:40adoption or Foster care.Annabel, from your point of view?I wouldn't

1:36:40 > 1:36:49have... Although it's a disadvantage because I had to give up my job and

1:36:49 > 1:36:54forego contributions to my pension for so many years so my financial

1:36:54 > 1:36:59outcomes for my future are quite compromised, but it's still a

1:36:59 > 1:37:02no-brainer because you wouldn't give up a grand child when that's the

1:37:02 > 1:37:07only other option. It's family, you know. You don't really think about

1:37:07 > 1:37:16your plans for the future, you just think, well, what can I do and the

1:37:16 > 1:37:19outcomes are really long-term that we couldn't have foreseen and have

1:37:19 > 1:37:24been better for all of us really in keeping that whole extended family

1:37:24 > 1:37:30kind of united over that issue. Actually, for the relationship with

1:37:30 > 1:37:34poppy and her mum, it's still as good as it can be and things have

1:37:34 > 1:37:40been better, her mum's been better because of maintaining that, so all

1:37:40 > 1:37:48of that has been better for us, yes, not easy.No. Jackie, Annabel

1:37:48 > 1:37:53issing, it's family, it's a no-brainer, was that the same for

1:37:53 > 1:37:57you with your tiny grandchildren? Yes.Mollie and Liam, when you

1:37:57 > 1:38:01started to look after them not long after they were born?Yes, there was

1:38:01 > 1:38:09no question that we'd take them on. But, in saying that, you don't

1:38:09 > 1:38:13really realise what you're taking on at the time. Because I think the

1:38:13 > 1:38:17reality is, a lot of... Well certainly we did, I don't know about

1:38:17 > 1:38:21you, in the back of your mind there's always, for goodness sake, I

1:38:21 > 1:38:25hope the parent also get their act together in a couple of years' time,

1:38:25 > 1:38:30the reality is they very rarely do, so we are sort of 18 years on,

1:38:30 > 1:38:34they're still with us. But no, I mean there wasn't any question that

1:38:34 > 1:38:42that's what would happen.You said it's been hard?Yes.In what way?

1:38:42 > 1:38:46Financially.I'm going to pause now because we are going to Commons but

1:38:46 > 1:38:51we'll come back. ...

1:38:51 > 1:38:57THE SPEAKER:The Home Secretary, Amber Rudd.Thank you Mr Speaker.

1:38:57 > 1:39:04Britain first is an extreme Iist organisisation which seeks to seek

1:39:04 > 1:39:09hateful narratives which stoke tensions. It's subject to a pending

1:39:09 > 1:39:13criminal trial accused of religiously aggravated harassment

1:39:13 > 1:39:16over the alleged distribution of leaflets and the posting of online

1:39:16 > 1:39:22material. British people overwhelmingly reject the prejudiced

1:39:22 > 1:39:28rhetoric of the far right which is the antithesis of the values this

1:39:28 > 1:39:32country represents, decency, toll rancy, respect. We will stand with

1:39:32 > 1:39:37them in doing so. This is why we launched our counterextremism

1:39:37 > 1:39:41strategy in 2015 and why we launched the hate crime action plan just last

1:39:41 > 1:39:47year. So this House should be clear - this government will not tolerate

1:39:47 > 1:39:53any groups who spread hate by demonising those of other faiths or

1:39:53 > 1:39:58ethnicities and who deliberately raise community fears and tensions.

1:39:58 > 1:40:03We have been clear - President Donald Trump was wrong to retweet

1:40:03 > 1:40:09videos posted by far right group Britain First. When we look at the

1:40:09 > 1:40:14wider picture, the relationship between the UK and the US, that I

1:40:14 > 1:40:19know how valuable the friendship is between our two nations. As Home

1:40:19 > 1:40:25Secretary, I can tell the House that the importance of the relationship

1:40:25 > 1:40:30between our countries, the unparalleled sharing of intelligence

1:40:30 > 1:40:37between our countries is vital. It's undoubtedly saved British lives,

1:40:37 > 1:40:40that is the bigger picture here and I would urge people to remember

1:40:40 > 1:40:49that.I thank the Home Secretary for answering. I raised related matters

1:40:49 > 1:40:53with you when members from across the House raised our clear view with

1:40:53 > 1:41:00you that after the sexist behaviour he shouldn't be afforded the honour

1:41:00 > 1:41:02of addressing Westminster Hall. I want to thank the Home Secretary. I

1:41:02 > 1:41:06want to thank the Prime Minister for her comments and others who've

1:41:06 > 1:41:10spoken out. The extraordinary events we have seen undownedly underline

1:41:10 > 1:41:13why members from across the House were right to make that call about

1:41:13 > 1:41:16him not coming here and why the Prime Minister's premature offer of

1:41:16 > 1:41:21a state visit should not now go ahead. Let me be clear, I condemn

1:41:21 > 1:41:26the original content of the messages shared as abhorrent and anybody who

1:41:26 > 1:41:30pervades hatred or violence online or in person, whether that be the

1:41:30 > 1:41:35fascist far right by those who falsely claim to be acting in the

1:41:35 > 1:41:38name of Islam or anti-Semitics that should be dealt with. Let's be

1:41:38 > 1:41:45clear, this is the President of the United States, sharing with millions

1:41:45 > 1:41:50inflammatory and divisive content, deliberately posted to sew hatred

1:41:50 > 1:41:55and division by a convicted criminal who is facing further charges who

1:41:55 > 1:41:59represents a vile fascist organisation seeking to spread

1:41:59 > 1:42:04hatred and violence in person and online. By sharing it, he is either

1:42:04 > 1:42:10a racist, incompetent or unthinking, or all three. Can the Home Secretary

1:42:10 > 1:42:14please explain what the government is doing to crack down on the

1:42:14 > 1:42:17activities of Britain first and other far right organisations

1:42:17 > 1:42:20including online and explain why Britain first hasn't been prescribed

1:42:20 > 1:42:23in the way national action has been? Given the extraordinary events of

1:42:23 > 1:42:26the last 24 hours and the direct attack by the President on the Prime

1:42:26 > 1:42:30Minister for rightly condemning his actions, can she confirm whether the

1:42:30 > 1:42:34Prime Minister and the President have spoken? Has the Foreign

1:42:34 > 1:42:38Secretary who just days ago heaped praise on the President's statements

1:42:38 > 1:42:42on Twitter saying that people related to them summoned the US

1:42:42 > 1:42:50Ambassador to express his concerns. Can she also advise Mr President

1:42:50 > 1:42:55Trump's actions and implied endorsement can have prejudicial

1:42:55 > 1:42:59outcomes. Is the Home Secretary aware she posted a video urging the

1:42:59 > 1:43:04President to help keep her out of prison. Finally, can the Home

1:43:04 > 1:43:07Secretary confirm when she and the government will take tough action

1:43:07 > 1:43:11which I support her in her efforts on, on the social media companies.

1:43:11 > 1:43:15We have had no response from Twitter, a typically irresponsible

1:43:15 > 1:43:19attitude. Mr Speaker, let me conclude by emphasising that I love

1:43:19 > 1:43:22America and Americans. My true grand father was an American GI who came

1:43:22 > 1:43:27to this country in 1944 to help us fight the dark forces of fascism and

1:43:27 > 1:43:31I've travelled the length and breadth of 25 of the United stateses

1:43:31 > 1:43:36and it's a country of people of extraordinary generosity, courage,

1:43:36 > 1:43:39kindness and generosity, but this President represents none of these

1:43:39 > 1:43:43things. In one of his last speeches, the great Republican general and

1:43:43 > 1:43:49protector of America at a great time of peril and a friend of Britain,

1:43:49 > 1:43:52Dwight Eisenhower said down the long lane of history yet to be written

1:43:52 > 1:43:56America knows this world of ours ever growing smaller must avoid

1:43:56 > 1:44:01becoming a community of dreadful fear and hate and be instead a proud

1:44:01 > 1:44:04conFederation of Mutual trust and respect. As we stand in the shadow

1:44:04 > 1:44:09of the words of our fallen colleague Jo Cox, I hope her words that we

1:44:09 > 1:44:12have more in common and that his words will be heeded in these

1:44:12 > 1:44:16dangerous times because we must all take a stand against hatred from

1:44:16 > 1:44:18wherever it comes otherwise we'll slip into the darkness.

1:44:18 > 1:44:25THE SPEAKER:Just before I ask the Home Secretary to respond, and on

1:44:25 > 1:44:29the basis of sound professional procedural advice, I think I ought

1:44:29 > 1:44:37to say this to the House - Jada Franson as referenced by the

1:44:37 > 1:44:40honourable gentleman is awaiting trial I believe on 14th December,

1:44:40 > 1:44:45and I hope that members will be conscious while giving vent to their

1:44:45 > 1:44:50views, as they should and will, of the importance of avoiding comments

1:44:50 > 1:44:54which could be prejudicial to the proper conduct of criminal

1:44:54 > 1:44:59proceedings. I thank the honourable gentleman. The Home Secretary?

1:45:03 > 1:45:06Thank you for your guidance regarding the criminal case that has

1:45:06 > 1:45:14been referred to. I hope that the honourable member for Cardiff South

1:45:14 > 1:45:20understands I will not reply to that part of... I share his views about

1:45:20 > 1:45:27America. I also love that country, having worked there for a year. As I

1:45:27 > 1:45:31said in my opening remarks, I am in awe of the mutual trust we have with

1:45:31 > 1:45:37the Americans. The effort they make to work with us. Our shared values

1:45:37 > 1:45:41with the American people and the way that their work has been so

1:45:41 > 1:45:45important to helping us on intelligence matters, which has

1:45:45 > 1:45:49undoubtedly saved British lives. He asks particularly what we have done

1:45:49 > 1:45:57about online social media extremism of various sorts. We have taken it

1:45:57 > 1:46:03extremely seriously, which is why I prescribed National Action the first

1:46:03 > 1:46:07far right group to be prescribed in this way, as a terrorist

1:46:07 > 1:46:10organisation. He asked about other organisations. We are very careful

1:46:10 > 1:46:15with identifying what merits prescription or not. He may have a

1:46:15 > 1:46:20different view. But in the letter of the law that we abide by, we have to

1:46:20 > 1:46:30be very clear where members or activists embark on actions which

1:46:30 > 1:46:35are not illegal. We have prescribed National Action and we will keep

1:46:35 > 1:46:38under review what other organisations may be prescribed. He

1:46:38 > 1:46:41asked what else we were doing with online companies to ensure that the

1:46:41 > 1:46:47Internet is free of dangerous material, and he will no doubt know

1:46:47 > 1:46:51that the UK has been leading in this area. The Prime Minister has called

1:46:51 > 1:46:56for more action. We called in the wake of the terrorist attacks this

1:46:56 > 1:47:05year for a global Internet forum for counterterrorism, which I went to

1:47:05 > 1:47:08the launch of in San Francisco in the summer. Twitter now takes down

1:47:08 > 1:47:1295% of the illegal material for using artificial intelligence. The

1:47:12 > 1:47:17fact they are now engaging in machine learning to get his head

1:47:17 > 1:47:20taken down is an incredibly important investment and

1:47:20 > 1:47:24breakthrough, to ensure that more is taken down. But we are not

1:47:24 > 1:47:28complacent. There is more that needs to be done. We will always make sure

1:47:28 > 1:47:33that we provide the vital leadership to ensure that it does take place.

1:47:33 > 1:47:36Finally, he asks about the Prime Minister. He asked about whether she

1:47:36 > 1:47:41had spoken to the president. I would just say to that the Prime Minister

1:47:41 > 1:47:47will always have regular calls with the president. She has been explicit

1:47:47 > 1:47:50in criticising this tweet. I know that she will always make sure that

1:47:50 > 1:47:56she calls it out were she sees it. That is what she has done here.

1:47:56 > 1:48:05Sir Peter Bottomley.The re-tweet has been condemned. We can

1:48:05 > 1:48:07concentrate on the wrong storm by the original tweet. Can we ask the

1:48:07 > 1:48:22Home Secretary to identify... I thank my honourable friend for the

1:48:22 > 1:48:27question. It is essential that we have a fair approach to all types of

1:48:27 > 1:48:31extremism. And with a view to that, we always make sure that the far

1:48:31 > 1:48:36right extremism is tweeted -- treated just as harshly as it should

1:48:36 > 1:48:41be, as any Sword of Islamic terrorism. It is interesting to

1:48:41 > 1:48:45observe the 25% of the referrals to the channel programme, the bespoke

1:48:45 > 1:48:49programme following prevent referrals, are on the far right

1:48:49 > 1:48:54side. Dianne Abbott.

1:48:54 > 1:48:59The Home Secretary will appreciate that on this side of the House we

1:48:59 > 1:49:05believe the United States is our most important ally. We would

1:49:05 > 1:49:09anticipate that any British government would want to work

1:49:09 > 1:49:14closely with the United States on issues of mutual concern. And we on

1:49:14 > 1:49:19this side of the House bow to no one in our affection and respect for the

1:49:19 > 1:49:29Mike and people. But on the question of the online activities of the 45th

1:49:29 > 1:49:39president, does the Home Secretary except that the fact that the 45th

1:49:39 > 1:49:47president chose to re-tweet material from Britain First is not just

1:49:47 > 1:49:51offensive to British people of Muslim Heritage, it is not just

1:49:51 > 1:49:58offensive to British people of black and minority ethnic heritage, it is

1:49:58 > 1:50:05offensive to all decent British people. And it is also an attack on

1:50:05 > 1:50:12the values of this country. So while on this side of the House we

1:50:12 > 1:50:20appreciate the importance of real politic, we would also call on the

1:50:20 > 1:50:27government to make clear that in no way, and at no time, does it give

1:50:27 > 1:50:34any support whatsoever to the distasteful views of the 45th

1:50:34 > 1:50:39president of -- on race and migration and Muslim communities

1:50:39 > 1:50:47internationally. Because to do anything else would be an affront to

1:50:47 > 1:50:56voters in this country, whichever side of the House they support.

1:50:56 > 1:51:00I thank the Right Honourable Lady for her powerful response. And I

1:51:00 > 1:51:05think that it is fair to say that we have been very clear. President

1:51:05 > 1:51:12Donald Trump was wrong to re-tweet the videos posted by Britain First.

1:51:12 > 1:51:17We have said so clearly in this House. The Prime Minister has said

1:51:17 > 1:51:20so clearly online. We will continue to speak freely and frankly when it

1:51:20 > 1:51:23takes place.

1:51:26 > 1:51:30The Home Secretary responding to various questions from a

1:51:30 > 1:51:36Conservative MP and two Labour MPs. You heard the Home Secretary talking

1:51:36 > 1:51:40about Britain First as an extremist organisation which seeks to divide

1:51:40 > 1:51:44communities and British people overwhelmingly reject their far

1:51:44 > 1:51:49right beliefs. Overwhelmingly British people believe indecency,

1:51:49 > 1:51:54tolerance and respect. Amber Rudd went on to say the government will

1:51:54 > 1:51:57not tolerate group to spread hate by demonising others. Donald Trump was

1:51:57 > 1:52:03wrong to re-tweet those videos. As Home Secretary she said she can tell

1:52:03 > 1:52:08the House the importance of the relationship between the UK and the

1:52:08 > 1:52:12USA is absolutely vital. The sharing of intelligence information, she

1:52:12 > 1:52:15said, has undoubtedly saved British lives, and that is the bigger

1:52:15 > 1:52:22picture. More reaction at 11 o'clock. For the last few minutes of

1:52:22 > 1:52:27our programme we will continue our conversation about kinship care with

1:52:27 > 1:52:31poppy and Annabel Roberts. Poppy has been looked after by her

1:52:31 > 1:52:36grandmother, Annabel, since she was seven. Jackie Cartwright is here.

1:52:36 > 1:52:39She has raised her two grandchildren, Molly and Liam, from

1:52:39 > 1:52:44being tiny babies to being a now. And Kate O'Brien is here from

1:52:44 > 1:52:49Grandparents Plus. Jackie, you are about to tell us about the

1:52:49 > 1:52:52challenges really of taking on two little ones because you're on son

1:52:52 > 1:52:58was not able to do it because of drug and alcohol problems.Well

1:52:58 > 1:53:04initially, the biggest challenges are obviously financial. Emotional.

1:53:04 > 1:53:13A lot of isolation. Like Annabel, I had to give my job up. Although

1:53:13 > 1:53:16social services thought I should keep on working and leave the

1:53:16 > 1:53:22children with my mum.How old is your mum at that point?She would

1:53:22 > 1:53:29have been 60s then. We were in a strange way in that we were lucky we

1:53:29 > 1:53:33were slightly younger grandparents. But even so, it was quite difficult

1:53:33 > 1:53:40with two babies. So financially, we struggled. We still had a daughter

1:53:40 > 1:53:47at home. She was 11 when they were born. So the impact on her, although

1:53:47 > 1:53:54she has turned out fine, so that is OK... The lack of support. Because

1:53:54 > 1:54:01of the time you think there is nobody else in the same position.

1:54:01 > 1:54:05Let me bring in Kate at this point. People like Annabel and Jackie are

1:54:05 > 1:54:12unseen carers. In that sense people don't know they really exist. And

1:54:12 > 1:54:17therefore, don't know they really do need support sometimes and they

1:54:17 > 1:54:20don't get any?Absolutely. Annabel said earlier that often you don't

1:54:20 > 1:54:26know what a kinship carers until you become one. There are around 200,000

1:54:26 > 1:54:29children being brought up in kinship care, which is three times the

1:54:29 > 1:54:33number of children growing up in Foster care. Not a lot of people

1:54:33 > 1:54:40know that. They are often completely invisible. Off the radar. They

1:54:40 > 1:54:43received no support. But often they have had a similar situations,

1:54:43 > 1:54:49similar experiences, to children growing up in Foster care. They need