05/12/2017

0:00:09 > 0:00:11Hello, it's Tuesday, it's nine o'clock.

0:00:11 > 0:00:16I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.

0:00:16 > 0:00:19Out top story today: After one of Britain's smaller political

0:00:19 > 0:00:21parties vetoed the PM's Brexit deal, what might persuade them to back

0:00:21 > 0:00:28a new agreement on the Irish border?

0:00:28 > 0:00:32A question Theresa May needs to find an answer to...fast.

0:00:32 > 0:00:37'S government insiders blame a misunderstanding, the DUP prepare to

0:00:37 > 0:00:40play hardball.

0:00:40 > 0:00:43We'll talk to the Democratic Unionist Party, to a Conversative

0:00:43 > 0:00:44Leave MP, and to Scotland's SNP.

0:00:44 > 0:00:47Whether you voted Leave or Remain, what do you think of events

0:00:47 > 0:00:48over the last 24 hours?

0:00:48 > 0:00:50Also on the programme, a warning that sex offenders

0:00:50 > 0:00:53are using live online streaming platforms to groom children

0:00:53 > 0:01:00with almost 200 suspects arrested in one week alone.

0:01:00 > 0:01:03It offers offenders an immediate connection to children and young

0:01:03 > 0:01:05people, that is one-to-one, it allows them to manipulate

0:01:05 > 0:01:07children and young people, offer them excitement,

0:01:07 > 0:01:09sympathy, some connection, emotional connection, involve them

0:01:09 > 0:01:14with games and trickery.

0:01:14 > 0:01:16We'll talk to parents whose children have been groomed

0:01:16 > 0:01:25via live streaming sites.

0:01:25 > 0:01:28If it's happened to someone in your family, do get in touch.

0:01:28 > 0:01:30Have you done anything to monitor or restrict your children's

0:01:30 > 0:01:31use of streaming apps?

0:01:31 > 0:01:33And it's been described as a "plague of plastic"

0:01:33 > 0:01:35destroying life in our oceans.

0:01:35 > 0:01:37What needs to be done to tackle it?

0:01:37 > 0:01:42The UN is discussing the issue today - we'll talk to them live.

0:01:51 > 0:01:52Hello.

0:01:52 > 0:02:00Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11.

0:02:00 > 0:02:03We will bring you the latest breaking news and developing

0:02:03 > 0:02:13stories.

0:02:13 > 0:02:21A little later we'll hear from Kezia Dugdale, who's

0:02:21 > 0:02:24been evicted from the I'm A Celebrity jungle after lasting

0:02:24 > 0:02:25just 11 days.

0:02:25 > 0:02:27She said she wanted to show that politics wasn't

0:02:27 > 0:02:28all white, male and stale.

0:02:28 > 0:02:29Has she achieved her mission?

0:02:29 > 0:02:32Keen to hear what you thought of her performance -

0:02:32 > 0:02:33use the hashtag Victoria live.

0:02:33 > 0:02:34Our top story today.

0:02:34 > 0:02:36Theresa May will meet her cabinet this morning after returning

0:02:36 > 0:02:39from Brussels last night with no deal to push forward

0:02:39 > 0:02:40the Brexit talks.

0:02:40 > 0:02:42Negotiations came to a halt after the Democratic Unionist Party,

0:02:42 > 0:02:44who support the Conservative government, rejected a proposal

0:02:44 > 0:02:46to avoid which would have avoided a hard border

0:02:46 > 0:02:52between Northern Ireland and the Republic.

0:02:52 > 0:02:54Norman Smith is in Westminster

0:02:54 > 0:02:58for us this morning.

0:02:58 > 0:03:04So what kind of wording will satisfy the DUP?It is a good question and I

0:03:04 > 0:03:11think it will need more than clever wording to satisfy the DUP because

0:03:11 > 0:03:16they are mightily unhappy at the fact they feel they were almost

0:03:16 > 0:03:20bounced into accepting something which they regard as a complete

0:03:20 > 0:03:28non-runner. This idea of regulatory alignment with Ireland. Basically

0:03:28 > 0:03:32there should be the same sort of trade and customs rules between

0:03:32 > 0:03:37north and south. From their point of view, they say we made it clear to

0:03:37 > 0:03:42Mrs May we were never going to accept that because that would have

0:03:42 > 0:03:45meant different arrangements for Northern Ireland from the rest of

0:03:45 > 0:03:49the UK. To constitutional level, that could have threatened Northern

0:03:49 > 0:03:53Ireland's position in the UK but more importantly they say our

0:03:53 > 0:04:00biggest market is with the rest of the UK, not Ireland. The part where

0:04:00 > 0:04:04we want no border is with the rest of the UK, not Ireland, that's what

0:04:04 > 0:04:11we are concerned about. They are simply not going to accept so-called

0:04:11 > 0:04:15regulatory equivalents and it doesn't matter how you dress it up,

0:04:15 > 0:04:20what formulation of words you come up with, there is principle for them

0:04:20 > 0:04:26here. I think that means this will get very difficult. You remember

0:04:26 > 0:04:32when Mrs May did her deal with the DUP to support her government, how

0:04:32 > 0:04:36difficult and protracted and tents and how long it took, well I think

0:04:36 > 0:04:41that's going to be all over again exactly the same, but the clock is

0:04:41 > 0:04:45ticking because we know we have got until next Thursday when the EU

0:04:45 > 0:04:51Council meets to reach some sort of agreement.Thank you, Norman, for

0:04:51 > 0:04:54the moment.

0:04:54 > 0:04:58Ben is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of the rest

0:04:58 > 0:05:03of the day's news.

0:05:03 > 0:05:04Thank you, Victoria.

0:05:04 > 0:05:07Parents are being warned about the dangers of live streaming

0:05:07 > 0:05:09apps, after it emerged paedophiles are increasingly using them

0:05:09 > 0:05:10to manipulate their victims.

0:05:10 > 0:05:13The caution from the National Crime Agency follows a week-long

0:05:13 > 0:05:15operation by UK authorities, which led to the arrest

0:05:15 > 0:05:17of more than 190 people for child sexual abuse.

0:05:17 > 0:05:20Angus Crawford reports.

0:05:20 > 0:05:24Hands up all those who have used live streaming.

0:05:24 > 0:05:27Aged 13 and 14, they know about apps which let children broadcast

0:05:27 > 0:05:28live from their phones.

0:05:28 > 0:05:36Today, they are talking about how to do it safely.

0:05:36 > 0:05:38Somebody could be trying to trick you.

0:05:38 > 0:05:40The apps are quick to download, easy to use.

0:05:40 > 0:05:43These pupils could go live in the playground, the street

0:05:43 > 0:05:44or even their own bedrooms.

0:05:44 > 0:05:46Sometimes it can be quite dangerous because if someone

0:05:46 > 0:05:49is following someone they don't know, they will be able to see it.

0:05:49 > 0:05:51Like, you don't know who is watching you.

0:05:51 > 0:05:55The real problem with some of these apps is there is no proper checking

0:05:55 > 0:05:58of age identification so that means a live streaming service with a 17

0:05:58 > 0:06:01rating could be used by children as young as this or even younger,

0:06:01 > 0:06:04eight or nine.

0:06:04 > 0:06:06Look at this.

0:06:06 > 0:06:08A boy and a girl on Periscope.

0:06:08 > 0:06:10Now read the comments.

0:06:10 > 0:06:12We don't want to identify them.

0:06:12 > 0:06:16She is just nine.

0:06:16 > 0:06:20Almost 1,000 people are watching and they're mostly adult men.

0:06:20 > 0:06:24We can't show you the worst of the comments.

0:06:24 > 0:06:27Periscope told us it had zero tolerance for this kind of behaviour

0:06:27 > 0:06:31but we found it on other apps too and for the children caught up

0:06:31 > 0:06:35in it, the consequences can be devastating.

0:06:35 > 0:06:38I found her inconsolable.

0:06:38 > 0:06:43This is an actress but the words are true.

0:06:43 > 0:06:46Those of a mother whose 10-year old daughter tried out

0:06:46 > 0:06:47the app Omegle for fun.

0:06:47 > 0:06:52He switched his webcam on, showed him her private parts

0:06:52 > 0:06:59and asked her to take photos of herself, which she did.

0:06:59 > 0:07:01She was terrified by what had happened and scared

0:07:01 > 0:07:07of what she'd done.

0:07:07 > 0:07:12It offers offenders an immediate connection to children and young

0:07:12 > 0:07:17people that then allows them to manipulate children and young

0:07:17 > 0:07:19people, offer them excitement, sympathy, connection,

0:07:19 > 0:07:22emotional connection, involve them with games and trickery

0:07:22 > 0:07:26and we see children getting basically manipulated to do things

0:07:26 > 0:07:28that ultimately they are very uncomfortable about

0:07:28 > 0:07:30and don't want to do.

0:07:30 > 0:07:33A campaign video launched today warning about the dangers of live

0:07:33 > 0:07:39streaming aimed at young people and their parents and posing a stark

0:07:39 > 0:07:42question - when children broadcast live to the world

0:07:42 > 0:07:44from their own bedrooms, can they really stay safe?

0:07:44 > 0:07:53Angus Crawford, BBC News.

0:07:53 > 0:07:55A total ban on plastic waste entering the ocean

0:07:55 > 0:07:57is being considered by environment ministers from around the world

0:07:57 > 0:08:07at a UN meeting in the Kenyan capital Nairobi this week.

0:08:10 > 0:08:13More than 8 million tonnes of plastic is dumped in the ocean

0:08:13 > 0:08:15annually.

0:08:15 > 0:08:18The UN's head of oceans has described plastic pollution

0:08:18 > 0:08:20as a "planetary emergency".

0:08:20 > 0:08:23The White House has put off a decision on whether to break

0:08:23 > 0:08:26with other countries and recognise Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

0:08:26 > 0:08:28But a spokesman said it was a matter of when, not if,

0:08:28 > 0:08:35the US embassy would move to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv.

0:08:35 > 0:08:37Both Israelis and Palestinians claim Jerusalem as their capital.

0:08:37 > 0:08:40Arab and Muslim nations in the region have warned

0:08:40 > 0:08:41against any unilateral decision.

0:08:41 > 0:08:43Senior judges in the United States have ruled that President Donald

0:08:43 > 0:08:46Trump's travel ban on six mainly Muslim countries can

0:08:46 > 0:08:50go into full effect, pending legal challenges.

0:08:50 > 0:08:52President Trump originally imposed the ban on travellers from Chad,

0:08:52 > 0:08:54Iran, Libya, Somalia, Syria and Yemen in January,

0:08:54 > 0:09:01prompting mass protests and several legal challenges.

0:09:01 > 0:09:04The Supreme Court has now ruled by seven votes to two

0:09:04 > 0:09:06in favour of the ban.

0:09:06 > 0:09:09A group of fishermen from the Isle of Wight found guilty of trying

0:09:09 > 0:09:11to smuggle more than 50 million of pounds of cocaine

0:09:11 > 0:09:16into the country have lost a key review of their case.

0:09:16 > 0:09:18The Criminal Cases Review Commission, which investigates

0:09:18 > 0:09:21miscarriages of justice, says unless new evidence is found

0:09:21 > 0:09:24there is no real possibility of overturning the convictions.

0:09:24 > 0:09:33Families and supporters of the group say they are bitterly disappointed.

0:09:33 > 0:09:35Rail fares are set to rise by an average of 3.4%

0:09:35 > 0:09:36from the new year.

0:09:36 > 0:09:39The increase, which is below the rate of inflation, will take

0:09:39 > 0:09:44effect from January 2nd.

0:09:44 > 0:09:47The group, which represents train operators, said 97% of money

0:09:47 > 0:09:56from fares goes back into improving and running the railway.

0:09:56 > 0:09:58Nearly a fifth of patients are regularly missing GP

0:09:58 > 0:10:00appointments, with younger people being the worst offenders,

0:10:00 > 0:10:10according to a new study by The Lancet Public Health journal.

0:10:13 > 0:10:15The problem's estimated to cost the NHS at least

0:10:15 > 0:10:17162 million pounds a year.

0:10:17 > 0:10:19The director of the new Freddie Mercury biopic,

0:10:19 > 0:10:21Bohemian Rhapsody, has been fired due to "unreliable behaviour".

0:10:21 > 0:10:23In a statement, Twentieth Century Fox said Bryan Singer was no longer

0:10:23 > 0:10:25the director of the film.

0:10:25 > 0:10:27A source told the BBC the main reason for the decision

0:10:27 > 0:10:29was "a pattern of unreliable behaviour on set".

0:10:29 > 0:10:32But Singer said he was ill and that the studio was unwilling

0:10:32 > 0:10:37to accommodate him during that time.

0:10:37 > 0:10:40The singer and Strictly Come Dancing contestant Alexandra Burke has hit

0:10:40 > 0:10:50back at allegations that she's a diva backstage.

0:10:50 > 0:10:54Taking to Twitter, she said the The Sun had

0:10:54 > 0:10:56published lies about her after there were claims she had

0:10:56 > 0:10:58a heated backstage bust-up with her dancing partner

0:10:58 > 0:11:00Gorka Marquez ahead of this weekend's dance-off.

0:11:00 > 0:11:01The Sun say they stand by their story.

0:11:01 > 0:11:07It was the second week the pair were bottom two in the competition.

0:11:07 > 0:11:14That's a summary of the latest BBC News, more at 9.30am.

0:11:14 > 0:11:20Thank you, I want Germany to win for what it's worth. John says, hats off

0:11:20 > 0:11:25to the DUP for putting their foot down. Why should we be bullied by

0:11:25 > 0:11:35Europe and now Ireland. -- I want Gemma to win.

0:11:35 > 0:11:37Do get in touch with us

0:11:37 > 0:11:44throughout the morning - use the hashtag Victoria live.

0:11:44 > 0:11:46Let's get some sport with Jessica.

0:11:46 > 0:11:49What's the latest in the cricket?

0:11:49 > 0:11:54Do England realistically have a chance?

0:11:54 > 0:12:00The total of 354 runs to win, wickets have been tumbling today for

0:12:00 > 0:12:05both teams. There was a faint glimmer of hope for England but it

0:12:05 > 0:12:09looks to be fading. James Anderson finished with five wickets as

0:12:09 > 0:12:15Australia were bowled out for 138. That gave England the chance, they

0:12:15 > 0:12:23now a new 350 forward level the Ashes Series. They started well, 53

0:12:23 > 0:12:33for the first wicket but LBW here. 1-run later, Mark Stoneman was also

0:12:33 > 0:12:39out, after-dinner James Vince was caught in the slips. England

0:12:39 > 0:12:45currently on three, Victoria.Do they realistically have a chance?

0:12:45 > 0:12:50England have never chased this many runs in a Test match before. Other

0:12:50 > 0:12:55teams have so it's not impossible but it is very unlikely. Captain Joe

0:12:55 > 0:13:00Root is at the crease at the moment and how big the moment is this in

0:13:00 > 0:13:04his career? A chance to write his name into history if he leads

0:13:04 > 0:13:10England towards that record chase. Think back to how pivotal the

0:13:10 > 0:13:13Australian captain Steve Smith's unbeaten century was in the first

0:13:13 > 0:13:20test, that is exactly what England need now. Joe Root is currently on

0:13:20 > 0:13:2133.

0:13:21 > 0:13:24And nine years late but Kelly Sotherton will be getting

0:13:24 > 0:13:28a bronze medal from the Beijing Olympics?

0:13:28 > 0:13:32Yes, quite incredible, the fall out from the Russian doping scandal and

0:13:32 > 0:13:36Kelly Sotherton is the latest victim, set to be awarded that

0:13:36 > 0:13:43Olympic bronze medal nine years late. It's all because the Russian

0:13:43 > 0:13:47athlete lost her doping appeal. Kelly Sotherton originally finished

0:13:47 > 0:13:53fifth in that event but two athletes have had their results annulled.

0:13:53 > 0:13:57Actually it is the second Olympic bronze she has been awarded after

0:13:57 > 0:14:04the fact from Beijing. She got the 4x4 hundred metre relay medal as

0:14:04 > 0:14:09well. Kelly Sotherton had won bronze in the Athens Olympics, and when you

0:14:09 > 0:14:15look at this it is a big mess. The IOC have caught more than 100

0:14:15 > 0:14:28athlete since retesting samples from 2008 and 2012.Thank you, Jess. More

0:14:28 > 0:14:33from digest throughout the morning and she will keep an eye on England

0:14:33 > 0:14:37for you. -- more from Jess.

0:14:37 > 0:14:39Families say it's a huge miscarriage of justice,

0:14:39 > 0:14:42yet a group of fishermen from the Isle of Wight jailed

0:14:42 > 0:14:44for trying to smuggle more than £50 million of cocaine

0:14:44 > 0:14:47into the country have lost the latest fight in their campaign

0:14:47 > 0:14:48to get their convictions overturned.

0:14:48 > 0:14:50The official body which investigates miscarriages of justice,

0:14:50 > 0:14:52the Criminal Cases Review Commission, has decided not to refer

0:14:52 > 0:14:54the drug smuggling cases to the Court of Appeal,

0:14:54 > 0:14:57rejecting what the mens' lawyer says is new evidence

0:14:57 > 0:15:03showing their fishing boat was not near enough to pick up 12 rucksacks

0:15:03 > 0:15:06containing 560lb of cocaine from a Brazilian container ship.

0:15:06 > 0:15:09Families of the five men who were each jailed for up to 24

0:15:09 > 0:15:10years say they're bitterly disappointed but have

0:15:10 > 0:15:11promised to fight on.

0:15:11 > 0:15:16Jim Reed has this exclusive report.

0:15:25 > 0:15:31It's one of the largest drug plots in British legal history.

0:15:32 > 0:15:35For two years now, we have been covering this case.

0:15:35 > 0:15:38A group of fishermen in prison for trying to smuggle millions

0:15:38 > 0:15:43of pounds of cocaine into the country.

0:15:43 > 0:15:46When you found out what he was being accused of and charged with,

0:15:46 > 0:15:47what was your reaction?

0:15:47 > 0:15:50Oh, it's ridiculous. What?

0:15:50 > 0:15:52It's just a stupid mistake and he'll be home.

0:15:52 > 0:15:53But he never came home.

0:15:53 > 0:15:55He didn't come home.

0:15:55 > 0:16:00He hasn't been home since the 18th January, 2011.

0:16:00 > 0:16:03We have had exclusive access to a team of campaigning lawyers

0:16:03 > 0:16:07pushing hard for a retrial.

0:16:07 > 0:16:09What we have discovered calls this conviction into question in the most

0:16:09 > 0:16:10serious way imaginable.

0:16:10 > 0:16:13Spoken to one of the jurors in the original trial.

0:16:13 > 0:16:16I was convinced beyond any reasonable doubt at the time.

0:16:16 > 0:16:20Now I am convinced beyond any doubt whatsoever.

0:16:20 > 0:16:23And for the first time, heard from the man reviewing

0:16:23 > 0:16:24those guilty verdicts.

0:16:24 > 0:16:26So they still could have collected the drugs?

0:16:26 > 0:16:28I think so.

0:16:28 > 0:16:31More importantly, probably I think the Court of Appeal

0:16:31 > 0:16:35would have thought so.

0:16:38 > 0:16:40May 2010, and a fishing boat pulls out of Yarmouth harbour

0:16:40 > 0:16:44on the Isle of Wight.

0:16:44 > 0:16:47It's early evening and a storm is drawing in.

0:16:47 > 0:16:51Do we know who the SAO is?

0:16:51 > 0:16:53Elsewhere in the channel, a major surveillance

0:16:53 > 0:16:57operation is under way.

0:16:57 > 0:17:00SOCA, the Serious Organised Crime Agency, has intelligence

0:17:00 > 0:17:07that cocaine is onboard a giant container ship.

0:17:07 > 0:17:11A day later, the fishermen were arrested, charged with picking

0:17:11 > 0:17:14up the drugs in high seas and hiding them here in this bay.

0:17:14 > 0:17:17The five men were found guilty at trial, and given long sentences

0:17:17 > 0:17:20of up to 24 years each.

0:17:20 > 0:17:22My heart was pounding, like it was going to

0:17:22 > 0:17:26come out of my mouth.

0:17:26 > 0:17:31I was devastated. Absolutely devastated.

0:17:31 > 0:17:34And even more so when you heard the reaction of the families.

0:17:34 > 0:17:36It's heartbreaking.

0:17:36 > 0:17:39Richard Yardley was a juror in that trial.

0:17:39 > 0:17:42The only one of the 12 who found the men not guilty.

0:17:42 > 0:17:44There were a lot of things wrong about that case.

0:17:44 > 0:17:45Loads.

0:17:45 > 0:17:47You want to do the right thing.

0:17:47 > 0:17:49I took my job as a juror very, very seriously.

0:17:49 > 0:17:55It doesn't necessarily end when the verdict goes through.

0:17:55 > 0:17:59How convinced are you now, looking back, seven years now?

0:17:59 > 0:18:01Even more convinced.

0:18:01 > 0:18:07I was convinced beyond any reasonable doubt at the time.

0:18:07 > 0:18:11Now I am convinced beyond any doubt whatsoever.

0:18:11 > 0:18:13I have absolutely no doubt that these men are entirely

0:18:13 > 0:18:21innocent of this crime.

0:18:21 > 0:18:24The case against the men was never straight forward.

0:18:24 > 0:18:26A forensic search of the boats could not find

0:18:26 > 0:18:29a single trace of cocaine.

0:18:29 > 0:18:31Instead, the defence team think the conviction was based on two

0:18:31 > 0:18:33key pieces of evidence.

0:18:33 > 0:18:38First, navigational data, which showed the fishing boat

0:18:38 > 0:18:41manoeuvring behind the container ship, long enough for the drugs to

0:18:41 > 0:18:43be thrown overboard and picked up.

0:18:43 > 0:18:49And then the testimony of two police officers on these cliffs

0:18:49 > 0:18:52as something was dropped off the side of the boat, near to where

0:18:52 > 0:18:55the drugs were later found.

0:18:55 > 0:18:58Our job at this charity is to get to the truth about a case.

0:18:58 > 0:19:01We represent prisoners as lawyers, but we investigate cases

0:19:01 > 0:19:04like police officers do.

0:19:04 > 0:19:06For years Emily Bolton worked on Death Row cases in America.

0:19:06 > 0:19:08Now she runs the Centre for Criminal Appeals,

0:19:08 > 0:19:16a small charity based in London.

0:19:16 > 0:19:18In this case, every stone that we have unturned has pointed

0:19:18 > 0:19:20in the direction this conviction is unsafe.

0:19:20 > 0:19:24But to get her clients a retrial, she has to show the prosecution case

0:19:24 > 0:19:27was flawed, and that means finding new evidence to put before the CCRC.

0:19:27 > 0:19:33That is the Criminal Cases Review Commission.

0:19:33 > 0:19:35It's demanding, less than 1% of the cases that get this far

0:19:35 > 0:19:37end up being retried.

0:19:37 > 0:19:39This process, for a lawyer who has practised in the United States,

0:19:39 > 0:19:40is extremely frustrating.

0:19:40 > 0:19:43The questions that the experts examining the case in

0:19:43 > 0:19:51post-conviction have thrown up are not being answered.

0:19:51 > 0:19:54That night seven years ago, the fishing boat, the Galwad,

0:19:54 > 0:19:56did have its navigational system switched on, recording

0:19:56 > 0:20:02its exact position.

0:20:02 > 0:20:05Charts used in court, and accepted by both sides at trial,

0:20:05 > 0:20:09appear to show the boat crossing the path of the container ship.

0:20:09 > 0:20:11Around the same time, calls were made from a mobile phone

0:20:11 > 0:20:16on the mainland to the satellite phone on the fishing boat.

0:20:16 > 0:20:19The navigation data that was presented to the jury was crucial

0:20:19 > 0:20:23to them in reaching a conviction.

0:20:23 > 0:20:25That's because it was identified by the judge in his summing up

0:20:25 > 0:20:29as a primary factor in the case.

0:20:29 > 0:20:32Emily says new analysis of the data suggests the container ship

0:20:32 > 0:20:34adjusted its course earlier than thought, so would never

0:20:34 > 0:20:37have come into contact with the fishing boat.

0:20:37 > 0:20:39The implication of the tracks not crossing in this case

0:20:39 > 0:20:40is absolutely fundamental.

0:20:40 > 0:20:48If the tracks didn't cross, they didn't smuggle the drugs.

0:20:48 > 0:20:52But she needs to convince the people reviewing the case at the CCRC

0:20:52 > 0:20:54and they say the defence team's analysis has changed over

0:20:54 > 0:20:58time and can't prove the men are innocent.

0:20:58 > 0:21:03If it was the case that the boat was still in the harbour

0:21:03 > 0:21:06when the big boat went past then obviously that would be significant,

0:21:06 > 0:21:08but here we are talking about an extra distance now.

0:21:08 > 0:21:11They say that the boat was 175 metres away from the big boat,

0:21:11 > 0:21:14and in our view that just didn't make a difference.

0:21:14 > 0:21:16So they still could have collected the drugs?

0:21:16 > 0:21:17I think so.

0:21:17 > 0:21:20As the men sailed through the channel, a series of calls

0:21:20 > 0:21:22were made to the fishing boat from a mobile bought that

0:21:22 > 0:21:25day with a fake name.

0:21:25 > 0:21:29The fishermen say a new member of the crew, a migrant worker,

0:21:29 > 0:21:32had fallen ill and was trying to call a contact for help.

0:21:32 > 0:21:35Hello.

0:21:35 > 0:21:36Hello darling, you all right?

0:21:36 > 0:21:37Yes.

0:21:37 > 0:21:38Good.

0:21:38 > 0:21:39Good.

0:21:39 > 0:21:41Yes, we're OK.

0:21:41 > 0:21:44Those fishermen involved didn't make obvious suspects.

0:21:44 > 0:21:47Four of the five convicted were local.

0:21:47 > 0:21:49All had no serious criminal records.

0:21:49 > 0:21:52The older two were family men, with young children.

0:21:52 > 0:21:5524 years in prison.

0:21:55 > 0:22:01You start thinking, what the hell are we going to do?

0:22:01 > 0:22:03The defence team then turned their attention to the second

0:22:03 > 0:22:05key piece of evidence.

0:22:05 > 0:22:10The drugs search in the channel was a major operation.

0:22:10 > 0:22:16There was a Border Agency ship, and two surveillance planes.

0:22:16 > 0:22:21As the fishing boat sailed back, it passed through Freshwater Bay.

0:22:21 > 0:22:23Two Hampshire Police officers say they were stationed here on these

0:22:23 > 0:22:27cliffs, keeping watch.

0:22:27 > 0:22:31They called in on their radio to say they were seeing six to seven items

0:22:31 > 0:22:32thrown off the boat at intervals.

0:22:32 > 0:22:34The fishermen say they may have been chucking waste

0:22:34 > 0:22:36overboard at the time.

0:22:36 > 0:22:38From my point of view, they have been convicted

0:22:38 > 0:22:41on one piece of evidence, which I do not believe

0:22:41 > 0:22:43actually happened.

0:22:43 > 0:22:48And all the evidence that I see supports the fact it didn't happen.

0:22:48 > 0:22:49Don Dewar is a retired surveillance officer.

0:22:49 > 0:22:52He worked for SOCA, the Serious Organised Crime Agency,

0:22:52 > 0:22:56the same unit leading the search that day.

0:22:56 > 0:22:58He's now working unpaid as an expert witness

0:22:58 > 0:23:05for the charity's defence team.

0:23:05 > 0:23:08Is it credible that in an operation of this scale that the surveillance

0:23:08 > 0:23:10would be left to two Hampshire Police

0:23:10 > 0:23:11officers on that hill?

0:23:11 > 0:23:13Not possible. It would be negligent to do so.

0:23:13 > 0:23:17Especially the resources that had gone in, with the cutter and two

0:23:17 > 0:23:22fixed wing aircraft.

0:23:22 > 0:23:25After saying they saw items dropped off the side of the fishing boats,

0:23:25 > 0:23:32everything then went quiet.

0:23:32 > 0:23:34Those two police look-outs on the cliff left the area.

0:23:34 > 0:23:37It wasn't until the next morning that the coastguard received a call.

0:23:37 > 0:23:40Another local fisherman had found 11 brightly coloured sacks tied

0:23:40 > 0:23:42around his buoy in the same bay.

0:23:42 > 0:23:47They were full of cocaine.

0:23:47 > 0:23:50The SOCA officer in charge then met the two Hampshire

0:23:50 > 0:23:52policemen in a car park, so they could change their entry

0:23:52 > 0:23:55in the official surveillance log.

0:23:55 > 0:24:02Instead of six to seven items, it became ten to 12 items,

0:24:02 > 0:24:04the size of that holdall, tied together in a line,

0:24:04 > 0:24:05followed by a buoy.

0:24:05 > 0:24:10An exact description of what had been found that morning.

0:24:10 > 0:24:14A picture of a bag recovered and brought to a police vessel.

0:24:14 > 0:24:22Changing a surveillance log is allowed so officers can clarify

0:24:22 > 0:24:24what was seen.

0:24:24 > 0:24:26To the defence team, though it seems the authorities

0:24:26 > 0:24:28were trying to fit together a case against the men.

0:24:28 > 0:24:31It is not possible, if these rucksacks came over the side,

0:24:31 > 0:24:33several officers would have witnessed it and it would have

0:24:33 > 0:24:34been recorded correctly.

0:24:34 > 0:24:37I can think of no occasion when I have worked with police,

0:24:37 > 0:24:40SOCA or Customs and Excise officers it would be a precis

0:24:40 > 0:24:42after the event.

0:24:42 > 0:24:44What would you have done as a surveillance officer, how

0:24:44 > 0:24:49would you have run that operation?

0:24:49 > 0:24:51I would've had highly trained officers in locations

0:24:51 > 0:24:52all the way along the headland.

0:24:52 > 0:24:54I certainly wouldn't be leaving that to two untrained

0:24:54 > 0:24:57Hampshire Police officers.

0:24:57 > 0:24:58A series of complaints were later brought against

0:24:58 > 0:25:00the officers involved.

0:25:00 > 0:25:04They were cleared of serious wrongdoing.

0:25:04 > 0:25:10The CCRC says it could find no evidence of police deception.

0:25:10 > 0:25:13You have got to find something amounting to serious misconduct,

0:25:13 > 0:25:15clear bad faith, so you know, very, very dishonest

0:25:15 > 0:25:21acts by these officers, and while there was some evidence

0:25:21 > 0:25:23of they hadn't followed all the correct procedures,

0:25:23 > 0:25:26I think we tend to the view at the CCRC that that was a mistake,

0:25:26 > 0:25:28rather than malice.

0:25:28 > 0:25:30There is no evidence they actually conspired or anything like that?

0:25:30 > 0:25:31No, nothing at all.

0:25:31 > 0:25:34Believe me, we have looked hard, and if it was there,

0:25:34 > 0:25:36I think we would have found it.

0:25:36 > 0:25:38For the defence team, though, there are many

0:25:38 > 0:25:40questions outstanding, and together they still add

0:25:40 > 0:25:43up to serious doubts about the conviction.

0:25:43 > 0:25:46Isn't it more likely that your clients here are simply guilty?

0:25:46 > 0:25:48The police's job is to detect crime, and to bring

0:25:48 > 0:25:50the perpetrators to justice.

0:25:50 > 0:25:54If they bring the wrong people to court for the crime,

0:25:54 > 0:25:57they have not served their purpose, and that is why we have a Court

0:25:57 > 0:26:02of Appeal, to determine whether that's happened or not.

0:26:02 > 0:26:05When this case did get to trial, 11 of the 12 people on the jury

0:26:05 > 0:26:07found the men guilty.

0:26:07 > 0:26:11But for one, serious doubts remained.

0:26:11 > 0:26:12There was very little evidence against them.

0:26:12 > 0:26:17What evidence there was, was very circumstantial.

0:26:17 > 0:26:20After the verdicts, the only person to find the men not

0:26:20 > 0:26:22guilty wrote two letters.

0:26:22 > 0:26:26One alleging someone at SOCA tried to interfere

0:26:26 > 0:26:28with the first court case.

0:26:28 > 0:26:31If proven, that would almost certainly result in a mistrial.

0:26:31 > 0:26:38Richard's accusation was then heard in Appeal Court by three judges.

0:26:38 > 0:26:41What you said at the time, or what you said in your letter

0:26:41 > 0:26:43was that a member of SOCA, in the unit.

0:26:43 > 0:26:47Yes.

0:26:47 > 0:26:52Had taken a juror aside, and when they realised

0:26:52 > 0:26:54that they were involved in this case, had said, "Look,

0:26:54 > 0:26:55we know these guys are guilty."

0:26:55 > 0:26:59Yes.

0:26:59 > 0:27:00That's a serious accusation.

0:27:00 > 0:27:03Yes, basically, he said to them, "They're guilty."

0:27:03 > 0:27:06But after an investigation, three judges said there was no

0:27:06 > 0:27:07support for his allegation.

0:27:07 > 0:27:09They questioned his credibility, and ruled his evidence

0:27:09 > 0:27:14could not be relied upon.

0:27:14 > 0:27:18What I don't understand is nobody in that Appeal Court ever asked

0:27:18 > 0:27:20themselves the question, "What has this guy got to gain

0:27:20 > 0:27:23by going through all of this?

0:27:23 > 0:27:26By writing these two letters?

0:27:26 > 0:27:29Why would he go to all that trouble unless what he is

0:27:29 > 0:27:30saying is the truth?"

0:27:30 > 0:27:34Why?

0:27:34 > 0:27:36Without a fresh breakthrough, though, the defence team's options

0:27:36 > 0:27:39are now becoming limited.

0:27:39 > 0:27:45The people reviewing the case at the CCRC say based

0:27:45 > 0:27:47on what they have seen so far, there's no reason to refer

0:27:47 > 0:27:51the case back to court for a possible retrial.

0:27:51 > 0:27:54The defence team's argument is, look at all these pieces put together,

0:27:54 > 0:27:57and that does raise bigger concerns about the safety of

0:27:57 > 0:27:59the conviction in this case.

0:27:59 > 0:28:02Yes, and we have considered it in that light as well,

0:28:02 > 0:28:05but there was this very strong, albeit mainly circumstantial

0:28:05 > 0:28:08case, that the people on the boat were the ones

0:28:08 > 0:28:09who collected the drugs.

0:28:09 > 0:28:11This isn't the end of the road.

0:28:11 > 0:28:14There is still the chance for some of the men to appeal

0:28:14 > 0:28:17directly to a judge, or, if new evidence suddenly

0:28:17 > 0:28:19emerges, for the men, their families and their supporters

0:28:19 > 0:28:25then, this case is far from over.

0:28:30 > 0:28:32After 10am, we'll be talking to families

0:28:32 > 0:28:39of some of the fishermen.

0:28:39 > 0:28:43Also still to come:

0:28:43 > 0:28:48We will bring you a fairly bad tempered interview between a

0:28:48 > 0:28:50Conservative and SNP politician and we will tell you everything you need

0:28:50 > 0:28:54to know about the phrase regulatory alignment which is proving to be a

0:28:54 > 0:28:58headache for Theresa May. Negotiations are one-sided says this

0:28:58 > 0:29:01viewer. We are giving too much and the EU are giving nothing in return.

0:29:01 > 0:29:04We must be strong and walk away. They will soon come running after

0:29:04 > 0:29:12us. Stevie on e-mail, "Finally the English are finding out what the

0:29:12 > 0:29:18majority of Northern Irish people knew with the DUP pact. They are not

0:29:18 > 0:29:23interested in only what is best for Northern Ireland."

0:29:23 > 0:29:26The UN oceans chief is warning that the rising tide of plastic

0:29:26 > 0:29:27in our seas is at epic levels.

0:29:27 > 0:29:30We'll be looking at how bad the problem has become.

0:29:30 > 0:29:37." We will be asking if it's too late.

0:29:37 > 0:29:42Time for the latest news, here's Ben.

0:29:42 > 0:29:45Theresa May will meet with her cabinet this morning

0:29:45 > 0:29:47after returning from Brussels last night with no deal to push

0:29:47 > 0:29:50forward the Brexit talks.

0:29:50 > 0:30:00Negotiations came to a halt after the Democratic Unionist Party,

0:30:02 > 0:30:05who support the Conservative government, said it would not accept

0:30:05 > 0:30:07a deal which saw Northern Ireland treated differently

0:30:07 > 0:30:08from the rest of the UK.

0:30:08 > 0:30:10Parents are being warned about the dangers of live streaming

0:30:10 > 0:30:13apps after it emerged paedophiles are using it to

0:30:13 > 0:30:14manipulate their victims.

0:30:14 > 0:30:16The warning from the National Crime Agency follows a week-long operation

0:30:16 > 0:30:19by UK authorities which led to the arrest of more

0:30:19 > 0:30:25than 190 people for child sexual abuse offences.

0:30:25 > 0:30:28The White House has put off a decision on whether to break

0:30:28 > 0:30:30with the international community and recognise Jerusalem

0:30:30 > 0:30:31as the capital of Israel.

0:30:31 > 0:30:34But a spokesman said it was a matter of when, not if,

0:30:34 > 0:30:36the US embassy would move to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv.

0:30:36 > 0:30:39Both Israelis and Palestinians claim Jerusalem as their capital.

0:30:39 > 0:30:41Arab and Muslim nations in the region have warned

0:30:41 > 0:30:44against any unilateral decision.

0:30:44 > 0:30:48Meanwhile senior judges in the United States have ruled that

0:30:48 > 0:30:50President Donald Trump's travel ban on six mainly Muslim countries can

0:30:50 > 0:30:53go into full effect, pending legal challenges.

0:30:53 > 0:30:56President Trump originally imposed the ban on travellers from Chad,

0:30:56 > 0:30:59Iran, Libya, Somalia, Syria and Yemen in January,

0:30:59 > 0:31:03prompting mass protests and several legal challenges.

0:31:03 > 0:31:06The Supreme Court has now ruled by seven votes to two

0:31:06 > 0:31:12in favour of the ban.

0:31:12 > 0:31:14That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

0:31:14 > 0:31:21Some sport now with Jessica.

0:31:21 > 0:31:25England need of record test run chase to rescue the second Ashes

0:31:25 > 0:31:29Test against Australia. James Vince was the last wicket to fall in

0:31:29 > 0:31:41Adelaide. Joe Root up now. 108-3. Russia will be banned from

0:31:41 > 0:31:49the Winter Olympics, they missed Rio because of state-sponsored doping.

0:31:49 > 0:31:54It will be decided whether they have changed enough to compete in South

0:31:54 > 0:31:58Korea. Kelly Sotherton will be awarded the Bronze medal from the

0:31:58 > 0:32:022008 Olympic Games, after the Russian athlete lost an appeal

0:32:02 > 0:32:06against a doping violation. And Judd Trump has been knocked out

0:32:06 > 0:32:12of the UK Snooker championship in York, beaten 6-2 in the third round

0:32:12 > 0:32:26by Graham. -- Graeme Dott.

0:32:26 > 0:32:27Thank you.

0:32:27 > 0:32:30In the space of the last few months Theresa May called

0:32:30 > 0:32:32a snap general election so that she could boost her majority

0:32:32 > 0:32:35of MPs and therefore she said get a better Brexit deal.

0:32:35 > 0:32:38That didn't go to plan and she ended up instead losing her majority.

0:32:38 > 0:32:42In order to try and cling to power, she then did a deal with Northern

0:32:42 > 0:32:44Ireland's Democratic Unionist Party - a party of ten MPs -

0:32:44 > 0:32:47handing them £1 billion in funding effectively in exchange

0:32:47 > 0:32:49for their support.

0:32:49 > 0:32:52It is that deal with the DUP which has now prevented

0:32:52 > 0:32:53Theresa May from securing a Brexit deal.

0:32:53 > 0:32:56The sticking point is over the Northern Ireland

0:32:56 > 0:33:03border issue and something called regulatory alignment.

0:33:03 > 0:33:05It's a mouthful, regulatory alignment, and it is meant to be a

0:33:05 > 0:33:09phrase so vague it would keep everyone happy, only it seems to

0:33:09 > 0:33:15have left almost everyone unhappy. So what is it meant to mean? It's

0:33:15 > 0:33:19meant to signal that existing customs rules between Northern

0:33:19 > 0:33:22Ireland and Ireland will stay roughly the same after Brexit. In

0:33:22 > 0:33:30other words there would be no new border checks, customs controls or

0:33:30 > 0:33:35tiresome extra paperwork. Sounds simple, if only! Because all sides

0:33:35 > 0:33:47have different takes on regulatory alignment. To the Irish government

0:33:47 > 0:33:50it means there will be no need for a border between north and south. To

0:33:50 > 0:33:52the British government it means there will only be a light touch

0:33:52 > 0:33:54border with limited customs checks. To the DUP however it means Northern

0:33:54 > 0:33:59Ireland risks being hived off from the rest of the UK. Their fear, that

0:33:59 > 0:34:06regulatory alignment is being used by some in Dublin to pave the way

0:34:06 > 0:34:10for a united Ireland. So what happens now? Someone is going to

0:34:10 > 0:34:15have to come up with a new phrase and perhaps we will all just have to

0:34:15 > 0:34:19forget about regulatory alignment.

0:34:19 > 0:34:21Instead of a celebratory press conference yesterday,

0:34:21 > 0:34:23the Prime Minister and European Commission President Jean Claude

0:34:23 > 0:34:24Junker had this to say.

0:34:24 > 0:34:27Both sides have been working hard, in good faith.

0:34:27 > 0:34:30We have been negotiating hard, and a lot of progress has been made,

0:34:30 > 0:34:35and on many of the issues there is a common understanding,

0:34:35 > 0:34:38and it is clear, crucially, that we want to move

0:34:38 > 0:34:39forward together.

0:34:39 > 0:34:42But on a couple of issues some differences do remain,

0:34:42 > 0:34:48which require further negotiation, and consultation.

0:34:48 > 0:34:52She is a tough negotiator, and not an easy one.

0:34:52 > 0:34:57She's defending the point of view of Britain,

0:34:57 > 0:35:01with all the energy we know she has, and I'm doing the same on the side

0:35:01 > 0:35:10of the European Union.

0:35:10 > 0:35:19That was yesterday.

0:35:19 > 0:35:26This morning, SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon has said:

0:35:26 > 0:35:29This could be a moment to push to keep

0:35:29 > 0:35:32the whole of the UK in the single market and customs union.

0:35:32 > 0:35:35In the last half an hour the leader of the Scottish Tories has called

0:35:35 > 0:35:38on May to look at regulatory alignment for the whole of the UK -

0:35:38 > 0:35:39not just Northern Ireland.

0:35:39 > 0:35:44Earlier we got reaction from an SNP and Tory politician,

0:35:44 > 0:35:47Michael Russell, an MSP and Scottish Government minister

0:35:47 > 0:35:50for UK negotiations on Scotland's place in Europe, and David Jones,

0:35:50 > 0:35:52former Brexit minister.

0:35:52 > 0:35:57The reality of the situation is the only sensible step, apart from

0:35:57 > 0:36:02staying in the EU which is a really sensible step because this is a

0:36:02 > 0:36:06waste of time and money.It might be for you but what about the people

0:36:06 > 0:36:17who voted for it?They were sold a pup.Is that patronising?As we now

0:36:17 > 0:36:24know, there were a lot of lies told. It will damage jobs. In Scotland the

0:36:24 > 0:36:29people didn't vote for it, we voted substantially against it and a poll

0:36:29 > 0:36:33yesterday showed an even larger majority against it so the sensible

0:36:33 > 0:36:37thing is to stop, look at this and save the sensible thing is not to do

0:36:37 > 0:36:44it but if they are still hell-bent on doing it, at least do it in the

0:36:44 > 0:36:50way that is least damaging. We now coming out of the customs union will

0:36:50 > 0:36:55be very damaging and now we see the only way to square the circle in

0:36:55 > 0:36:59Ireland is to be in the single market and Customs union so let's be

0:36:59 > 0:37:04sensible.Let me bring in David Jones, former Brexit minister. I

0:37:04 > 0:37:09don't know if you caught what Mr Russell was saying but the SNP are

0:37:09 > 0:37:13saying "This is the moment now for Britain to push to stay in the

0:37:13 > 0:37:19single market and customs union because that is the most sensible

0:37:19 > 0:37:23and satisfies everybody".We have already triggered the Article 50

0:37:23 > 0:37:28process to leave the European Union...You can stay in the single

0:37:28 > 0:37:36market and customs union if you make that choice.Of course you can. You

0:37:36 > 0:37:43can stay.Your customary rudeness does not help on this occasion. The

0:37:43 > 0:37:48fact is if we are leaving the European Union we will be leaving

0:37:48 > 0:37:53the single market, customs union and cease to be subject...Only because

0:37:53 > 0:37:59Mrs May made that choice.No, because that's what leaving the

0:37:59 > 0:38:03European Union means, ceasing to be bound by the European treaties. We

0:38:03 > 0:38:08could seek to negotiate some form of access or arrangement with the

0:38:08 > 0:38:13customs union but that is a wholly separate negotiation, not something

0:38:13 > 0:38:17we can elect to do because we have started the process of leaving.Do

0:38:17 > 0:38:22you think the unravelling of this deal makes Theresa May look

0:38:22 > 0:38:26ridiculous?It was a difficult day for her but today is another day and

0:38:26 > 0:38:32she will be speaking to the DUP... Did she not speak to them ahead of

0:38:32 > 0:38:38that launch?Clearly there was a misunderstanding between the

0:38:38 > 0:38:44Government's position and the DUP. I'm sorry to interrupt but how is

0:38:44 > 0:38:50that possible? How could there be a misunderstanding, what do you mean?

0:38:50 > 0:38:55Quite clearly Downing Street and the DUP were not on the same page as far

0:38:55 > 0:39:03as this was concerned.How is that possible?I'm not the person to ask.

0:39:03 > 0:39:08Dear oh dear.I can hear Mr Russell's intervention and he's

0:39:08 > 0:39:19probably been the least productive of anyone I have met.You have been

0:39:19 > 0:39:21led to disaster by people like David Jones who haven't a clue.I will

0:39:21 > 0:39:26come back to you in a moment, Mr Russell. Did the DUP do the right

0:39:26 > 0:39:30thing, Mr Jones?Clearly they have a duty to their electors in Northern

0:39:30 > 0:39:34Ireland and they want to make sure that whatever arrangements are put

0:39:34 > 0:39:41in place are satisfactory to them. Why do you think Mrs May thought it

0:39:41 > 0:39:45would be acceptable to stay in the single market and customs union in

0:39:45 > 0:39:50all but name in Northern Ireland? Again, I'm not the person to ask

0:39:50 > 0:39:54because the people to ask other people who are advising Mrs May.Do

0:39:54 > 0:40:01you think that was a good idea? Clearly there should have been

0:40:01 > 0:40:08clarity.Of course but the principle of what was being suggested, do you

0:40:08 > 0:40:12back that?No, I think it's extremely difficult to see how you

0:40:12 > 0:40:14can have wholly separate arrangements for Northern Ireland as

0:40:14 > 0:40:19against the rest of the UK, but nevertheless of course Northern

0:40:19 > 0:40:23Ireland has always been a very special case and special

0:40:23 > 0:40:28arrangements have for some time been made over the border.Therefore you

0:40:28 > 0:40:33can understand the SNP saying if there's going to be a distinct and

0:40:33 > 0:40:37unique deal for Northern Ireland as opposed to a UK wide deal, can we

0:40:37 > 0:40:43have a distinct deal for Scotland. Bear in mind the SNP is a party of

0:40:43 > 0:40:48nationalists whose aim is to break up the United Kingdom.But you could

0:40:48 > 0:40:55argue after what Mrs May was suggesting yesterday that that was

0:40:55 > 0:41:05leading to the UK. -- to the break-up of the UK.Whenever we are

0:41:05 > 0:41:08dealing with Northern Ireland we have to be extremely careful to

0:41:08 > 0:41:15reflect the political realities. Final thought from you on what will

0:41:15 > 0:41:21happen now.David Jones doesn't know what he's talking about it, he is

0:41:21 > 0:41:25making a mess of it and so are the people around him. In the name of

0:41:25 > 0:41:30God, stop this nonsense because we are being led to disaster by people

0:41:30 > 0:41:34like David Jones.Mr Russell was probably the biggest impediment in

0:41:34 > 0:41:41the negotiations in the devolved negotiations and he's just displayed

0:41:41 > 0:41:48why he is a danger to the whole process of Brexit.This is just

0:41:48 > 0:41:54nonsense.I am going to leave it there but thank you for your time, I

0:41:54 > 0:42:00appreciate it. David Jones and Michael Russell, thank you.

0:42:00 > 0:42:04Both sides say they are hopeful a deal can be reached by the end of

0:42:04 > 0:42:18the week, how likely is that? Let's get reaction from Belfast.

0:42:18 > 0:42:23What form of words do you think will be acceptable to the DUP to solve

0:42:23 > 0:42:32this issue?I think you are dealing here with a form of words which had

0:42:32 > 0:42:41in them, it's often described as creative ambiguity. What unionists

0:42:41 > 0:42:45across Northern Ireland, and the DUP is the largest party, they are

0:42:45 > 0:42:49looking for clarity, looking for certainty and what they are quite

0:42:49 > 0:42:53firm about is that Northern Ireland should be in no way differentiated

0:42:53 > 0:42:58from the rest of the United Kingdom in this process because yesterday

0:42:58 > 0:43:03the talk was around alignment and convergence with the Irish Republic

0:43:03 > 0:43:08and with the EU and that convergence would produce divergence from the

0:43:08 > 0:43:13rest of the UK. As your graphic earlier showed, that would lead in

0:43:13 > 0:43:20effect to a redrawing of the border between Northern Ireland and the sea

0:43:20 > 0:43:26and the rest of the UK.So that more than a misunderstanding?I find this

0:43:26 > 0:43:31difficult to understand today. It is somewhat bizarre. If you go back to

0:43:31 > 0:43:35October and the Conservative Party conference, during the conference

0:43:35 > 0:43:38Arlene Foster was interviewed and she was very clear there would be no

0:43:38 > 0:43:44question of Northern Ireland accepting a border of the sea. There

0:43:44 > 0:43:49was no question of it then, that was repeated on several occasions by her

0:43:49 > 0:43:56deputy leader Nigel Dodds, and also some other MPs.Absolutely, but

0:43:56 > 0:43:59Arlene Foster you would have thought would have been briefed on the

0:43:59 > 0:44:04proposed agreement in advance, wouldn't you? Perhaps that was too

0:44:04 > 0:44:10general briefing, I don't know.This goes back to the Belfast agreement

0:44:10 > 0:44:14and even beyond. There has been a tendency by Westminster negotiators

0:44:14 > 0:44:21to come up with phrases and terminology that is really about

0:44:21 > 0:44:25creative ambiguity. It means one person takes one view of it and

0:44:25 > 0:44:30another person takes another view. I suspect there may have been some

0:44:30 > 0:44:33hope, some expectation by the negotiators around Downing Street

0:44:33 > 0:44:38and Westminster that if they came up with a form of words they could sell

0:44:38 > 0:44:42it to Northern Ireland is one thing and sell it to the Irish Republic as

0:44:42 > 0:44:45something different and they would get away with it, and that doesn't

0:44:45 > 0:44:52work. We need certainty. This is an important issue. We need cooperation

0:44:52 > 0:45:02between the UK and the Irish Republic. When the previous

0:45:02 > 0:45:08Taoiseach Enda Kenny was there, there was a different approach to

0:45:08 > 0:45:12things. In the summer he retired and was replaced under the whole mood

0:45:12 > 0:45:21changed.There are some asking why a small Northern Ireland political

0:45:21 > 0:45:26party of just ten MPs is able to call the shots on this.It's not

0:45:26 > 0:45:30just a question of one political party with ten seats, they have a

0:45:30 > 0:45:35significance in Westminster and it shows the importance of taking seats

0:45:35 > 0:45:39at Westminster. Sinn Fein don't take their seats at Westminster, but we

0:45:39 > 0:45:43are talking about one of the constituent parts of the UK and when

0:45:43 > 0:45:48Theresa May became Prime Minister she stood on the steps of Downing

0:45:48 > 0:45:51Street and spoke about being the Prime Minister of Great Britain and

0:45:51 > 0:45:56Northern Ireland. It is part of the UK and deserves similar treatment to

0:45:56 > 0:46:03the rest of the UK. That's hiving off divergence with the rest of the

0:46:03 > 0:46:07UK outside the European Union and Northern Ireland locked into the

0:46:07 > 0:46:13Republic and into the EU but with no real say in things would create a

0:46:13 > 0:46:19second-class situation for Northern Ireland.

0:46:19 > 0:46:24Jan says, "We were told so many different things that it now seems

0:46:24 > 0:46:29clear nobody had a clue." Emma tweets, "The Conservatives haven't a

0:46:29 > 0:46:35clue. We are being led into a Dayser. Those in Northern Ireland

0:46:35 > 0:46:44are allowed to stay in the EU, while the rest are led into the abyss."

0:46:44 > 0:46:48Another says Geraint Jones is an utter embarrassment.

0:46:48 > 0:46:51After 10am, we'll talk to the second contestant voted out

0:46:51 > 0:46:53of I'm a Celebrity, former leader of Scottish Labour

0:46:53 > 0:46:56Kezia Dugdale who says she has no regrets and knows she now has

0:46:56 > 0:46:59to make amends with Labour colleagues and voters.

0:47:00 > 0:47:06Next, a warning that sex offenders are grooming children as they live

0:47:06 > 0:47:10video stream on apps like Periscope, Facebook Live and Musical.ly.

0:47:10 > 0:47:14In just one week, police say they arrested 192 suspects

0:47:14 > 0:47:17across the UK on suspicion of child sexual abuse offences and prevented

0:47:17 > 0:47:20345 children from coming to harm.

0:47:20 > 0:47:2630% of those cases involved streaming, blackmail and grooming.

0:47:26 > 0:47:28Live video-streaming is like live TV.

0:47:28 > 0:47:30Users log onto the app, turn on the live-streaming feature,

0:47:30 > 0:47:32aim the camera on themselves and broadcast to whoever

0:47:32 > 0:47:35is following them.

0:47:35 > 0:47:42Police say offenders often use tricks or dares,

0:47:42 > 0:47:48the offer of online gifts or threats to try to manipulate

0:47:48 > 0:47:50young people into taking their clothes off on camera

0:47:50 > 0:47:52and their use by online sex offenders is increasing.

0:47:52 > 0:47:57Let's talk to Zoe Hilton from the National Crime Agency.

0:47:57 > 0:47:59John Staines who has had a long career in child protection

0:47:59 > 0:48:01and law enforcement.

0:48:01 > 0:48:09In Essex is Rebecca Dilliway with her daughter Emily

0:48:09 > 0:48:11who is 11 and was approached by someone trying to blackmail her

0:48:11 > 0:48:13on one streaming app.

0:48:13 > 0:48:18In Illinois is Brad Summer whose seven-year-old daughter

0:48:18 > 0:48:22was approached by a paedophile on the live streaming app.

0:48:22 > 0:48:25I'm going to start with Brad. Thank you for talking to our British

0:48:25 > 0:48:29audience. While your daughter was using one particular app she was

0:48:29 > 0:48:33approached by someone who wasn't who they said they were. Tell us what

0:48:33 > 0:48:39happened.Sure. She was on one of the live streaming apps and

0:48:39 > 0:48:42basically having a good time with her friends and friends of her

0:48:42 > 0:48:48cousins and they are all in the underage ten group and she got a

0:48:48 > 0:48:53friend request from a person claiming to be nine years old. She

0:48:53 > 0:48:58accepted that friend request and later to come to find out that this

0:48:58 > 0:49:05person was not a nine-year-old. They continuously tried to get her to do

0:49:05 > 0:49:09things in private.We are showing our audience some of the screen

0:49:09 > 0:49:14shots you took of the kind of messages. Effectively this person

0:49:14 > 0:49:20was asking her to take her clothes off?Right. She knew better luckily.

0:49:20 > 0:49:24A lot of kids don't know what to do in that situation. We were fortunate

0:49:24 > 0:49:29enough to have a great line of communication with our daughter. I

0:49:29 > 0:49:34think that's key with children using the apps is making sure that your

0:49:34 > 0:49:37children feel comfortable enough to come to you and that's what our

0:49:37 > 0:49:42daughter did. Luckily and we're able to speak to you today to let you

0:49:42 > 0:49:48know, to be on the look out.Yes. You sent a message to this man and

0:49:48 > 0:49:54we assume it's a man. "I am her father and I am a police. We have

0:49:54 > 0:49:58documented your IP address and location I recommend you refrain

0:49:58 > 0:50:01from any other contact." You got in touch with the app. They are based

0:50:01 > 0:50:04in a different country to you. How did you find the experience of

0:50:04 > 0:50:07trying to get the company to act and what was it that you wanted them to

0:50:07 > 0:50:11do and please don't name them because we need to give them a right

0:50:11 > 0:50:18of reply.Understood. So, we had a hard time getting hold of them. I

0:50:18 > 0:50:23would have thought with the publicity that this obtained that

0:50:23 > 0:50:28they would have at least attempted to get hold of us. We finally did

0:50:28 > 0:50:33reach out to a member of their operations group and they weren't

0:50:33 > 0:50:44too forthcoming with wanting to help out. Honestly, I believe it's more

0:50:44 > 0:50:49about their income than their fanbase or their safety.OK. Brad,

0:50:49 > 0:50:53I'm going to bring in Rebecca and Emily who had a sort of similar

0:50:53 > 0:50:57experience. Hello both of you. Thank you very much for coming on the

0:50:57 > 0:51:03programme. Hi, Emily niece to talk to you. I know Emily you downloaded

0:51:03 > 0:51:07an app on your phone without your mum knowing, but you did go to your

0:51:07 > 0:51:11mum when you started to get inappropriate and then threatening

0:51:11 > 0:51:17messages, didn't you? What kind of things were the messages saying?

0:51:17 > 0:51:23Like, are you single? And then I just didn't reply and then like, it

0:51:23 > 0:51:27was just weird because they were just asking me like questions. Like,

0:51:27 > 0:51:34are you single? Where do you live? All that.And how did that make you

0:51:34 > 0:51:41feel?Very frightened, but then I just showed mum and she dealt with

0:51:41 > 0:51:47it.Rebecca, what kind of messages did you see?It started off with,

0:51:47 > 0:51:53"You are pretty." And then it asked if she was single and then it said,

0:51:53 > 0:51:56"I would do anything for you." And then because she hadn't responded it

0:51:56 > 0:51:59turned quite aggressive. Threatening that he was going to harm her

0:51:59 > 0:52:04family. She shouldn't tell anybody and that includes friends, family or

0:52:04 > 0:52:10police. He could find out where she lives. She should turn her location

0:52:10 > 0:52:16settings off and he would track her down and they sent photos as if he

0:52:16 > 0:52:20was trying to track her.He was in the process of like already in the

0:52:20 > 0:52:25process of...We couldn't see what it was, but it looked like he was

0:52:25 > 0:52:29hacking her phone or iPad.What do you think about that as Emily's mum

0:52:29 > 0:52:36Oh, I was furious. So, as soon as she showed me, I said, "You are now

0:52:36 > 0:52:42dealing with her mum." . Emily is not bothered by you and we will be

0:52:42 > 0:52:48taking it further."Let me bring in Zoe and John. Hello. Is this a new

0:52:48 > 0:52:55online threat to children?Well, with live streaming we're seeing the

0:52:55 > 0:52:59intensification really of the old threats. So offenders have always

0:52:59 > 0:53:02tried to groom and manipulate children online. They have always

0:53:02 > 0:53:07tried to make a connection with children that's unmoderated that's

0:53:07 > 0:53:10away from their parents and use that connection and that manipulation,

0:53:10 > 0:53:14but I think with live streaming, because it's so immediate, you can

0:53:14 > 0:53:19switch it on. You have that immediate live visual broadcast. It

0:53:19 > 0:53:25can be to one on one. It can be with multiple people. Offenders are

0:53:25 > 0:53:29really exploiting that kind of immediacy, the fact that it's not

0:53:29 > 0:53:32moderated and the fact that it's exciting for children and young

0:53:32 > 0:53:36people and really I think that's, it's the intensification of the

0:53:36 > 0:53:43threat that we are seeing. At NCA we are seeing 100 a month of what we

0:53:43 > 0:53:47would call high-risk cases. Cases where children and young people have

0:53:47 > 0:53:49been abused and exploited online. Are you able to track down the

0:53:49 > 0:53:53suspects?We do in those cases. Our priority is safeguarding it the

0:53:53 > 0:53:58child and working with the parents and then targeting the offender and

0:53:58 > 0:54:02if we have enough evidence, we can do so, yeah.Right. But that must be

0:54:02 > 0:54:05hard to track them down?It can be very difficult.They could be

0:54:05 > 0:54:12anywhere in the world.It can be very difficult. 192 arrests, that

0:54:12 > 0:54:17was targeted at offending against children and 30% of that was using

0:54:17 > 0:54:20live streaming. So we do have methods that we can use to target

0:54:20 > 0:54:23this kind of offending, but obviously, as you say, it is a

0:54:23 > 0:54:28global threat so we really, really need to work on our prevention and

0:54:28 > 0:54:32you are education and that's why we have launched our Live Skills

0:54:32 > 0:54:36Resources. There is resources for parents and carers of children and

0:54:36 > 0:54:41young people to educate them about live streaming and the new thaet

0:54:41 > 0:54:46that they need to be aware of, but for teachers.I'm going to go back

0:54:46 > 0:54:49to Brad and Rebecca in a moment to see how their behaviour changed as a

0:54:49 > 0:54:52result of their experience. John, how do children go about spotting

0:54:52 > 0:54:56when someone might not be who they say they are?Children are good.

0:54:56 > 0:55:01They realise. The biggest problem is once they find an offender online,

0:55:01 > 0:55:05it is how they deal with T like Zoe said with the education, they can't

0:55:05 > 0:55:10turn to no one. And a message we deal with a lot in our training and

0:55:10 > 0:55:15we spoke to 10,000 children in the last year is all about stranger

0:55:15 > 0:55:18danger and reinventing that story and educating the parents and that's

0:55:18 > 0:55:22where it goes wrong because they don't understand that. We tell our

0:55:22 > 0:55:25children if they are in the real world that someone will come up with

0:55:25 > 0:55:29sweets and someone may say, "Come and see my puppies." The children

0:55:29 > 0:55:34understand that story. Online when someone gives them a sweet, an

0:55:34 > 0:55:38app...Points, diamonds.They tell their parents and the parents ban

0:55:38 > 0:55:43the game and take the device away and punish them. That can't be

0:55:43 > 0:55:46right, because we don't understand, we don't understand why they are

0:55:46 > 0:55:51doing T it is not our world. We can parent everything else in life.We

0:55:51 > 0:55:56might not be scared, but we might be getting rid of the device for a bit.

0:55:56 > 0:56:00That's the problem, isn't it? Rebecca, how have you changed the

0:56:00 > 0:56:06way you behave with devices? I mean, you know, Emily downloaded the app

0:56:06 > 0:56:09without your knowledge. Have you changed settings? What have you

0:56:09 > 0:56:15done?Yes, she also has Instagram and we went straight on to Instagram

0:56:15 > 0:56:21and put all the security settings on. Deleted loads of people that she

0:56:21 > 0:56:25didn't know that she was just accepting. So the only people she is

0:56:25 > 0:56:29friends with now and they were just her school friends and me so I

0:56:29 > 0:56:33follow her on Instagram and it's on my phone too. There is no other live

0:56:33 > 0:56:38streaming apps on her phone that she is allowed to use anymore.

0:56:38 > 0:56:44Is that the right decision, Emily? How agree with that?Yeah, I totally

0:56:44 > 0:56:49agree.Yes, it really frightened her. The two nights after it what

0:56:49 > 0:56:53happened, she couldn't go to bed on her own. She thought efficiency

0:56:53 > 0:56:57going to come and try and get her or harm the family. She was really

0:56:57 > 0:57:02worried.Brad as the told the suspect that was targeting your

0:57:02 > 0:57:06daughter, you are a police officer, you are a dad, you knew how to

0:57:06 > 0:57:11document his IP address. Have you changed your behaviour or were you

0:57:11 > 0:57:15happy with the way you were supervising hur daughter?I'm happy

0:57:15 > 0:57:21that my daughter listened to the way that I was supervising her, but I

0:57:21 > 0:57:25can tell you that you know tracking these people down, it is difficult.

0:57:25 > 0:57:30I mean, it takes an international co-operation to find these people

0:57:30 > 0:57:38and that's kind of road block we hit was that you know, issuing subpoenas

0:57:38 > 0:57:44for IP addresses out there, governments approving those to grab

0:57:44 > 0:57:48these suspects was probably the most difficult challenge that we came

0:57:48 > 0:57:55across. To the point of with the fear of a child getting in trouble

0:57:55 > 0:58:01for the app, I think that's the number one thing that you need to

0:58:01 > 0:58:05reiterate to your children, they wouldn't be in trouble, or if you

0:58:05 > 0:58:08delete the apps, they have friends and they're not going to tell you if

0:58:08 > 0:58:14that happens on a friend's phone. Sure.Open communication is crucial

0:58:14 > 0:58:19in these situations.That's a stre good point. Thank you very much,

0:58:19 > 0:58:23Brad, thanks Rebecca, thanks Emily, thank you John and thank you Zoe

0:58:23 > 0:58:26from the National Crime Agency. Your experience is welcome, of course,

0:58:26 > 0:58:31how do you monitor and how do you supervise when your children are

0:58:31 > 0:58:34using the live streaming apps, or are they in their bedroom with their

0:58:34 > 0:58:39mates doing whatever they want to did and potentially being vulnerable

0:58:39 > 0:58:43to suspects out there. The latest news and sport at 10am. Before that,

0:58:43 > 0:58:47here is the weather.

0:58:48 > 0:58:54We are in for changeable weather conditions. We are looking at a fine

0:58:54 > 0:58:59and mild start. In the middle of the week, it becomes wet and windy and

0:58:59 > 0:59:03it will be colder with some of us seeing snow. Today, you can see we

0:59:03 > 0:59:06have got the yellow across us. That's milder air. Tomorrow, we will

0:59:06 > 0:59:11have it. It will be the far south on Thursday and the cold air pushes

0:59:11 > 0:59:15across the UK during Friday and also into the weekend. So this morning a

0:59:15 > 0:59:20lot of cloud around. One or two brighter breaks here there. Most

0:59:20 > 0:59:23notably across north-east England and eastern and north-east Scotland.

0:59:23 > 0:59:27We have got a peppering of showers on high ground. The rain that we

0:59:27 > 0:59:31have coming in across the north-west will become established as we head

0:59:31 > 0:59:35through the afternoon and turn heavier and persistent. It is going

0:59:35 > 0:59:38to be accompanied by strengthening winds. Move south of that, we are

0:59:38 > 0:59:43into drier conditions with some showers on the hills and again, the

0:59:43 > 0:59:46brightest conditions across Eastern Scotland and north-east England.

0:59:46 > 0:59:49Further south, we could see one or two brighter breaks develop, but

0:59:49 > 0:59:53they will be fairly transient as the cloud comes and goes during the day

0:59:53 > 0:59:56and with temperatures up to ten Celsius, they are bang on where they

0:59:56 > 0:59:59should be at this stage in December. Through this evening and overnight

0:59:59 > 1:00:02we continue with the wet and windy conditions across the north of

1:00:02 > 1:00:08Scotland. Come south, we're looking at a lot of cloud, some showers,

1:00:08 > 1:00:16particularly in the west and no real problems lows of six to nine

1:00:16 > 1:00:20Celsius. You may find fog first thing in the morning. Tomorrow we

1:00:20 > 1:00:23start off on a dry, but cloudy note. We have the rain across Northern

1:00:23 > 1:00:28Scotland. Still windy and one front comes across us. Another one coming

1:00:28 > 1:00:33in behind it. As you can see on Wednesday, we are in the milder

1:00:33 > 1:00:37conditions. The wind will become a feature. It will be a feature on

1:00:37 > 1:00:41Wednesday, but even more so as we head on through the night and into

1:00:41 > 1:00:43Thursday with the potential for storm-force winds across the north

1:00:43 > 1:00:47and the north-west of Scotland and the wind dragging the rain quite

1:00:47 > 1:00:51quickly away on to the near Continent leaving behind it a lot of

1:00:51 > 1:00:54dry weather, but some showers. Across parts of Northern Scotland,

1:00:54 > 1:00:58some of the showers will be falling as snow, progressively to lower

1:00:58 > 1:01:03levels through the day and we could see a peppering of wintriness in the

1:01:03 > 1:01:08showers coming in from the west. As we head into Friday, again, it's the

1:01:08 > 1:01:13East Coast that will see a mixture of rain, sleet and snow showers, we

1:01:13 > 1:01:17will see some more snow coming in across the north and the west and

1:01:17 > 1:01:20away from the coast some of that will accumulate. It will be cold.

1:01:20 > 1:01:24That three Celsius you saw in Newcastle will feel more like minus

1:01:24 > 1:01:27three.

1:01:29 > 1:01:31Hello it's Tuesday, it's ten o'clock.

1:01:31 > 1:01:32I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

1:01:32 > 1:01:36Our main story this morning: Progress on Brexit has stalled

1:01:36 > 1:01:39after one of Britain's smallest political parties vetoed the PM's

1:01:39 > 1:01:40Brexit deal over the Irish border.

1:01:40 > 1:01:43The SNP says one way to solve the issue is to stay

1:01:43 > 1:01:45in the single market, but not everyone agrees.

1:01:45 > 1:01:49It's extremely difficult to do that because we've already triggered the

1:01:49 > 1:01:54Article 50 process to leave the European Union.You can stay in the

1:01:54 > 1:01:58single market and Customs union if you make that choice.You can't

1:01:58 > 1:02:13actually.Yes you can. Yes you can.

1:02:14 > 1:02:19We will get reaction from the SNP.

1:02:19 > 1:02:24What are your thoughts of events over the last 24 hours?

1:02:24 > 1:02:27Ocean plastic is a planetary crisis - so says the UN -

1:02:27 > 1:02:35it wants tougher action on plastic entering the seas.

1:02:35 > 1:02:45A mother is holding her newborn young, it's dead.

1:02:45 > 1:02:50The UN is holding a summit in Kenya today and we'll be speaking to them

1:02:50 > 1:02:52this hour.

1:02:52 > 1:02:55A group of fishermen from the Isle of Wight who say their conviction

1:02:55 > 1:03:00for smuggling 50 million pounds of cocaine into the UK

1:03:00 > 1:03:05is a miscarriage of justice - have lost a key review of their case.

1:03:05 > 1:03:11We'll be speaking to the men's families shortly.

1:03:11 > 1:03:16Here's Ben in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

1:03:16 > 1:03:19Good morning.

1:03:19 > 1:03:21Theresa May will meet with her Cabinet and officials

1:03:21 > 1:03:23from the Democratic Unionist Party after returning from Brussels last

1:03:23 > 1:03:25night with no deal to push forward the Brexit talks.

1:03:25 > 1:03:28Negotiations came to a halt after the DUP, who support

1:03:28 > 1:03:30the Conservative government, said it would not accept a deal

1:03:30 > 1:03:33which saw Northern Ireland treated differently from the rest of the UK.

1:03:33 > 1:03:36Ministers are insisting they are close to an agreement.We have made

1:03:36 > 1:03:40a lot of progress, over the last weeks we have made tremendous steps

1:03:40 > 1:03:45forward. We are very close but not there yet.

1:03:45 > 1:03:47A total ban on plastic waste entering the ocean

1:03:47 > 1:03:50is being considered by environment ministers from around the world

1:03:50 > 1:03:53at a UN meeting in the Kenyan capital Nairobi this week.

1:03:53 > 1:03:55More than eight million tonnes of plastic is dumped

1:03:55 > 1:03:57in the ocean annually, with China responsible

1:03:57 > 1:03:59for around a quarter of it.

1:03:59 > 1:04:02The UN has described the issue as a planetary emergency.

1:04:02 > 1:04:05The White House has put off a decision on whether to break

1:04:05 > 1:04:06with the international community and recognise Jerusalem

1:04:06 > 1:04:09as the capital of Israel.

1:04:09 > 1:04:12But a spokesman said it was a matter of when, not if,

1:04:12 > 1:04:16the US embassy would move to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv.

1:04:16 > 1:04:20Both Israelis and Palestinians claim Jerusalem as their capital.

1:04:20 > 1:04:22Arab and Muslim nations in the region have warned

1:04:22 > 1:04:29against any unilateral decision.

1:04:29 > 1:04:34Meanwhile senior judges in the United States have ruled that

1:04:34 > 1:04:37President Donald Trump's travel ban on six mainly Muslim countries can

1:04:37 > 1:04:40go into full effect, pending legal challenges.

1:04:40 > 1:04:42President Trump originally imposed the ban on travellers from Chad,

1:04:42 > 1:04:44Iran, Libya, Somalia, Syria and Yemen in January,

1:04:44 > 1:04:50prompting mass protests and several legal challenges.

1:04:50 > 1:04:53The Supreme Court has now ruled by seven votes to two

1:04:53 > 1:04:56in favour of the ban.

1:04:56 > 1:04:59A group of fishermen from the Isle of Wight found guilty of trying

1:04:59 > 1:05:02to smuggle more than 50 million of pounds of cocaine

1:05:02 > 1:05:05into the country have lost a key review of their case.

1:05:05 > 1:05:07The Criminal Cases Review Commission, which investigates

1:05:07 > 1:05:09miscarriages of justice, says unless new evidence is found

1:05:09 > 1:05:15there is no real possibility of overturning the convictions.

1:05:15 > 1:05:21Families and supporters of the group say they are bitterly disappointed.

1:05:21 > 1:05:27That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

1:05:27 > 1:05:35More from me at 10.30am.

1:05:35 > 1:05:42Here's some sport now with Jess.

1:05:42 > 1:05:51England need what would be a record run tests chase if they are to

1:05:51 > 1:06:05salvage the match. Here is what happened so far.

1:06:05 > 1:06:07James Anderson finished with five wickets as Australia were bowled out

1:06:07 > 1:06:09for 138 in their second innings.

1:06:09 > 1:06:12That gave England a chance, they knew they needed a big 354 runs

1:06:12 > 1:06:14to win the second test and level the Ashes Series.

1:06:14 > 1:06:16They started well - 53 for the first wicket.

1:06:16 > 1:06:19But, Alastair Cook was given out leg before wicket after Australia

1:06:19 > 1:06:20reviewed the umpires' decision.

1:06:20 > 1:06:22One run later Mark Stoneman was also out.

1:06:22 > 1:06:24After dinner, James Vince was caught in the slips.

1:06:24 > 1:06:26Captain Joe Root and Dawid Malan are out now,

1:06:26 > 1:06:32with England currently on 134-3.

1:06:32 > 1:06:35We'll know later whether Russia will be banned from the Winter Olympics.

1:06:35 > 1:06:36They missed Rio because of state-sponsored doping.

1:06:36 > 1:06:39The International Olympic Committee will meet in Lausanne this evening

1:06:39 > 1:06:41to decide if they've made enough changes to their set-up

1:06:41 > 1:06:45to compete in South Korea.

1:06:45 > 1:06:48Former British heptathlete Kelly Sotherton is set to be awarded

1:06:48 > 1:06:50an Olympic bronze medal, nine years after the

1:06:50 > 1:06:512008 Beijing Games.

1:06:51 > 1:06:53It comes after Russian heptathlete Tatyana Chernova failed

1:06:53 > 1:06:55to have a doping ban overturned.

1:06:55 > 1:06:56Sotherton originially finished fifth in the event,

1:06:56 > 1:06:59but now two of the athletes above her have had

1:06:59 > 1:07:00their results annulled.

1:07:00 > 1:07:02It's the second Olympic bronze medal Sotherton has been awarded late,

1:07:02 > 1:07:12after being bumped up to third in the 2008 4x400m event.

1:07:12 > 1:07:19In snooker, top seed Judd Trump has been knocked out, beaten by Graeme

1:07:19 > 1:07:32Dott. He spent much of the game in his seat as his opponent at the next

1:07:32 > 1:07:36six to move into the fourth round.

1:07:36 > 1:07:40Neil Robertson also went out, losing 6-5 to world number 42 Mark Joyce.

1:07:40 > 1:07:41Thank you.

1:07:41 > 1:07:44A group of fishermen from the Isle of Wight found guilty of trying

1:07:44 > 1:07:47to smuggle more than 50 million of pounds of cocaine

1:07:47 > 1:07:49into the country have lost a key review of their case.

1:07:49 > 1:07:51The CCRC - the official body which investigates

1:07:51 > 1:07:54miscarriages of justice - says unless new evidence is found

1:07:54 > 1:07:56there is no real possibility of overturning the convictions.

1:07:56 > 1:07:58Their families and supporters say they are bitterly disappointed

1:07:58 > 1:08:07and have said they will fight on.

1:08:07 > 1:08:09Our reporter Jim Reed has this exclusive film.

1:08:09 > 1:08:11Picture of a bag recovered and brought to police.

1:08:11 > 1:08:14In 2010, a quarter of a tonne of cocaine was found in the sea

1:08:14 > 1:08:20off the Isle of Wight.

1:08:20 > 1:08:23The police said it had been hidden there by a group of fishermen

1:08:23 > 1:08:25who had picked it up from a container

1:08:25 > 1:08:26ship in the Channel.

1:08:26 > 1:08:28But the bags were spotted by a member of the public

1:08:28 > 1:08:30and these five men were arrested and convicted.

1:08:30 > 1:08:34All had no serious criminal records.

1:08:34 > 1:08:35Hello?

1:08:35 > 1:08:37Hello, darling, you all right?

1:08:37 > 1:08:41Sue Beere's husband John is now serving a 24-year sentence.

1:08:41 > 1:08:4424 years in prison.

1:08:44 > 1:08:45What?!

1:08:45 > 1:08:47What do we do now?

1:08:47 > 1:08:51Complete disbelief.

1:08:51 > 1:08:54The men are now being represented by the first charity

1:08:54 > 1:08:56of its kind in Britain, specialising in miscarriage

1:08:56 > 1:08:58of justice investigations.

1:08:58 > 1:09:02Our job at this charity is to get to the truth about a case.

1:09:02 > 1:09:04We represent prisoners as lawyers, but we investigate cases

1:09:04 > 1:09:06like police officers do.

1:09:06 > 1:09:08The defence team say new navigational data proves it

1:09:08 > 1:09:10would have been impossible for the fishing boat to reach

1:09:10 > 1:09:14the drugs in the Channel.

1:09:14 > 1:09:17And they say there are questions about the testimony of two police

1:09:17 > 1:09:19officers who say they saw something dropped off the side

1:09:19 > 1:09:26of the boat, near to where the drugs were later found.

1:09:26 > 1:09:28A retired surveillance officer, now working for free

1:09:28 > 1:09:34for the defence, thinks that would have been impossible.

1:09:34 > 1:09:37From my point of view, they have been convicted on one

1:09:37 > 1:09:41piece of evidence which I do not believe actually happened.

1:09:41 > 1:09:43But to get a retrial they have to show the original

1:09:43 > 1:09:46prosecution case was flawed, and that means finding new evidence

1:09:46 > 1:09:47to put before the CCRC -

1:09:47 > 1:09:50that is the Criminal Cases Review Commission.

1:09:50 > 1:09:52The people there looking into the case say there is no

1:09:52 > 1:09:57evidence of police wrongdoing.

1:09:57 > 1:09:59While there was some evidence they hadn't followed

1:09:59 > 1:10:02all the correct procedures, I think we tend to the view

1:10:02 > 1:10:08at the CRRC that was a mistake rather than malice.

1:10:08 > 1:10:11There is no evidence they actually conspired or anything like that?

1:10:11 > 1:10:13No, nothing at all, and believe me, we've looked hard,

1:10:13 > 1:10:16and if it was there, I think we would have found it.

1:10:16 > 1:10:19The CCRC says based on what it has seen so far, there is not enough

1:10:19 > 1:10:22new evidence to refer the case back to the Court of Appeal

1:10:22 > 1:10:25for a possible retrial.

1:10:25 > 1:10:26This was the marker buoy.

1:10:26 > 1:10:28For the fisherman and their families, it's a serious blow,

1:10:28 > 1:10:31but there is still the chance for some to appeal directly

1:10:31 > 1:10:33to a judge, or of new evidence emerging which raises fresh doubts

1:10:33 > 1:10:43about their conviction.

1:10:43 > 1:10:45Earlier I spoke to Sue Beere and Nicky Green -

1:10:45 > 1:10:51the wife and sister of Jon Beere and Jamie Green, two

1:10:51 > 1:11:00of the men now serving 24-year sentences.

1:11:00 > 1:11:02Also I've been talking to Emily Bolton,

1:11:02 > 1:11:03the lawyer on the case.

1:11:03 > 1:11:06I began by asking Sue for her reaction to that decision

1:11:06 > 1:11:08not to refer the case back to the Court of Appeal.

1:11:08 > 1:11:09Complete disbelief, if I'm honest.

1:11:09 > 1:11:12Based on all the hard work that Emily's found,

1:11:12 > 1:11:14and all the new bits and pieces, that I just can't believe

1:11:14 > 1:11:17that it hasn't been - they haven't taken it into account

1:11:17 > 1:11:19and they're not pressing forward with it.

1:11:19 > 1:11:21I mean, they have taken everything into account, you know,

1:11:21 > 1:11:23they have spent three years reviewing the convictions.

1:11:23 > 1:11:26In the end they described it, the case as a compelling

1:11:26 > 1:11:27prosecution case of conspiracy to import cocaine.

1:11:27 > 1:11:29They have looked at everything.

1:11:29 > 1:11:31I feel very strongly and quite angry that -

1:11:31 > 1:11:33I don't feel they have looked into things, and taken things

1:11:33 > 1:11:35fully into consideration.

1:11:35 > 1:11:36We believe in the boys 100%.

1:11:36 > 1:11:39It needs to go further.

1:11:39 > 1:11:45It needs to be looked at properly.

1:11:45 > 1:11:48Nicky, how do you react to the fact that your brother's case has been

1:11:48 > 1:11:49rejected, effectively?

1:11:49 > 1:11:51It cannot go forward to appeal because the CCRC says

1:11:51 > 1:11:54there is no new evidence, there's nothing here.

1:11:54 > 1:11:58I feel that they just haven't looked at the evidence strongly -

1:11:58 > 1:12:00thoroughly enough.

1:12:00 > 1:12:01Why would they not do that?

1:12:01 > 1:12:03They seem to have skimmed over the top.

1:12:03 > 1:12:04I don't know.

1:12:04 > 1:12:05I really don't know.

1:12:05 > 1:12:08They have spent three years looking in detail at what has

1:12:08 > 1:12:11been presented to them, more than 26 interventions,

1:12:11 > 1:12:14if you like, from your lawyer, which they have looked at carefully,

1:12:14 > 1:12:17because in the end this is about men being in jail or not,

1:12:17 > 1:12:21so of course they are going to look at that with diligence.

1:12:21 > 1:12:24I don't believe they have taken onboard the expert evidence that has

1:12:24 > 1:12:31been presented to them at all, in any way or form.

1:12:31 > 1:12:33I think they are lacking in understanding of it.

1:12:33 > 1:12:36But are you feeling that simply because they haven't reaped

1:12:36 > 1:12:37the conclusion you wanted them to reach?

1:12:37 > 1:12:39No, I don't think so.

1:12:39 > 1:12:42I think the expert evidence that has been presented to them shows

1:12:42 > 1:12:45that it was impossible for the boys to have done what they

1:12:45 > 1:12:48have been accused of.

1:12:48 > 1:12:53Let me bring in Emily Bolton, your lawyer on this case.

1:12:53 > 1:12:55Essentially, what they have said is, the new evidence you have found

1:12:55 > 1:12:58so far just isn't enough, there is nothing in there

1:12:58 > 1:13:02that really points to a miscarriage of justice here.

1:13:02 > 1:13:04It is preposterous.

1:13:04 > 1:13:05It is unreasonable.

1:13:05 > 1:13:07The jury in this case were told that the tracks

1:13:07 > 1:13:11of these ships crossed, and that that meant that drugs had

1:13:11 > 1:13:15been conveyed from one vessel to the other.

1:13:15 > 1:13:18Our fresh evidence relying on a much more complete set of data

1:13:18 > 1:13:20than was originally available shows they didn't.

1:13:20 > 1:13:23That is fundamental to the case.

1:13:23 > 1:13:26The CCRC seem to have bodged this one.

1:13:26 > 1:13:28Bodging is not what we do in the British justice system,

1:13:28 > 1:13:32and I have no doubt that the Court of Appeal, when we bring

1:13:32 > 1:13:34the case to them on behalf of Sue's husband John,

1:13:34 > 1:13:37will be very interested in what we have discovered.

1:13:37 > 1:13:40Rather than bodging, what they said about what you say is new evidence,

1:13:40 > 1:13:46is that even if it is true that the men's boat was 175 metres

1:13:46 > 1:13:49away from the big container ship, it doesn't mean they didn't

1:13:49 > 1:13:52try to import cocaine.

1:13:52 > 1:13:55What they are saying there is "Ah, close enough, good enough",

1:13:55 > 1:13:57and that is not enough.

1:13:57 > 1:14:00Our British justice system requires certainty, certainty

1:14:00 > 1:14:02on the part of the jury, and to say close enough

1:14:02 > 1:14:04just doesn't cut it.

1:14:04 > 1:14:07We want a system that is accountable and accurate, and what has happened

1:14:07 > 1:14:10in this case so far does not give the public any assurance

1:14:10 > 1:14:14that British justice is functioning in that way.

1:14:14 > 1:14:17They, of course, say it does, they have looked carefully,

1:14:17 > 1:14:19they have looked diligently, and there is just not enough

1:14:19 > 1:14:23here for them to push this forward.

1:14:23 > 1:14:25What you have to understand about the CCRC is their funding has

1:14:25 > 1:14:28been cut year on year, and they are working with very

1:14:28 > 1:14:30little resources compared to what they had in their heyday

1:14:30 > 1:14:34when they were founded in the late 1990s.

1:14:34 > 1:14:37And they reject that as well, they say absolutely they have enough

1:14:37 > 1:14:40resources to deal with their case load, they were extremely

1:14:40 > 1:14:44thorough in their work, and there was simply,

1:14:44 > 1:14:47at the end of the day, a very strong case that the people

1:14:47 > 1:14:49on the boat did collect the drugs.

1:14:49 > 1:14:52That defies common-sense.

1:14:52 > 1:14:55If your resources have been cut, you can do less work.

1:14:55 > 1:14:59One of the things they failed to do in this case was retain their own

1:14:59 > 1:15:01experts to examine the expert work we have presented.

1:15:01 > 1:15:03For that reason they have come to the erroneous

1:15:03 > 1:15:04conclusions they have reached.

1:15:04 > 1:15:06So what is your next course of action?

1:15:06 > 1:15:09Next course of action is to carry on the fight, keep it going,

1:15:09 > 1:15:18and go to the Appeal Court in John's name.

1:15:18 > 1:15:21Emily can enlarge more on the legal side of it.

1:15:21 > 1:15:23So how that works is the Criminal Cases Review Commission

1:15:23 > 1:15:29has rejected the application on behalf of Jamie Green,

1:15:29 > 1:15:32Nicky's brother and the two other applicants, but Jon Beere

1:15:32 > 1:15:34and another defendant, Dan Payne, didn't do an appeal originally

1:15:34 > 1:15:36on their conviction, so they can go straight

1:15:36 > 1:15:39to the Court of Appeal.

1:15:39 > 1:15:42The reason they didn't appeal previously was they were told

1:15:42 > 1:15:45they would benefit from from Jamie's appeal and didn't need to do

1:15:45 > 1:15:46it in their own names.

1:15:46 > 1:15:50So we can make an application for leave to the Court of Appeal,

1:15:50 > 1:15:52but we will also be looking very carefully at the possibility

1:15:52 > 1:15:58of a judicial review of what the CCRC has done here,

1:15:58 > 1:16:00because it's quite clear to us that the way they have

1:16:00 > 1:16:02gone about that this review is unreasonable.

1:16:02 > 1:16:06Is it fair to say you are never going to say they have done it well

1:16:06 > 1:16:08enough because they didn't reach the conclusion you

1:16:08 > 1:16:09wanted them to reach?

1:16:09 > 1:16:11Any wrongful conviction, and I have been working

1:16:11 > 1:16:13in this area for 20 years, in the United States

1:16:13 > 1:16:18as well as the United Kingdom, any wrongful conviction takes a long

1:16:18 > 1:16:22time to get to the bottom of, so I don't think that we have got

1:16:22 > 1:16:23to the bottom of this yet.

1:16:23 > 1:16:26No-one has looked at the complete police file, those files have

1:16:26 > 1:16:27been kept in secret.

1:16:27 > 1:16:30Let me ask you both about the impact on you and your children,

1:16:30 > 1:16:32you have a 22-year-old, a 14-year-old and an 11-year-old,

1:16:32 > 1:16:35the impact on the family as another year passes,

1:16:35 > 1:16:37with your husband, with their father in jail, for something

1:16:37 > 1:16:39you are adamant he didn't do.

1:16:39 > 1:16:40And he is adamant he didn't do.

1:16:40 > 1:16:42Yes.

1:16:42 > 1:16:45It's just - we have had to adapt, obviously.

1:16:45 > 1:16:49It has been almost seven years now, but as the years go

1:16:49 > 1:16:50on it's getting harder and harder.

1:16:50 > 1:16:53It doesn't get any easier, financially, emotionally.

1:16:53 > 1:16:55It's just tough.

1:16:55 > 1:16:57The children are amazing, absolutely fantastic,

1:16:57 > 1:17:00and I think it's made us all very strong as a family,

1:17:00 > 1:17:04but we just want him home.

1:17:04 > 1:17:07You know, let us get this sorted out.

1:17:07 > 1:17:10Let us get to it the Appeal Court, let's get some common-sense

1:17:10 > 1:17:13going on here, and get them all home where they should be with us.

1:17:13 > 1:17:17And let me ask you, Nicky, about the impact on your family,

1:17:17 > 1:17:23of your brother being in prison, and another year passing.

1:17:23 > 1:17:27Again, like Sue, you're saying he has done nothing wrong,

1:17:27 > 1:17:29it's a miscarriage of justice, and in that time,

1:17:29 > 1:17:32while he has been jail, he has lost his wife to cancer.

1:17:32 > 1:17:39Yes, his wife, who is also called Nicky, died in late 2015.

1:17:39 > 1:17:41Jamie's three children, you know, are almost shellshocked

1:17:41 > 1:17:45about this whole thing.

1:17:45 > 1:17:48Their mother sadly died of cancer after a long fight with cancer.

1:17:48 > 1:17:56You know, they effectively have lost both their parents.

1:17:56 > 1:17:58They're older, they're building their own lives, but it is a huge,

1:17:58 > 1:18:00huge gap left in their lives.

1:18:00 > 1:18:05And they just want this resolved.

1:18:05 > 1:18:08I mean, the stuff we're putting forward is so strong, but you know,

1:18:08 > 1:18:16the CCRC just don't seem to be grasping it.

1:18:16 > 1:18:19That was Sue Beere and Nicky Green, the wife and sister of Jon Beere

1:18:19 > 1:18:23and Jamie Green, two of the men now serving 24 year sentences

1:18:23 > 1:18:32and Emily Bolton, the lawyer on the case.

1:18:39 > 1:18:47Kezia Dugdale tells us it was worth it after she was booted out of the

1:18:47 > 1:18:50I'm A Celebrity jungle.

1:18:50 > 1:18:53The Cabinet is meeting this morning after the Prime Minister returned

1:18:53 > 1:18:55from Brussels last night without a deal to advance Brexit talks.

1:18:55 > 1:18:57The Democratic Unionist Party rejected a proposed solution

1:18:57 > 1:18:59to avoid a hard border between Northern Ireland

1:18:59 > 1:19:00and the Republic.

1:19:00 > 1:19:02The sticking point is over the Northern Ireland

1:19:02 > 1:19:05border issue and something called "regulatory alignment".

1:19:06 > 1:19:10It's a mouthful - regulatory alignment -

1:19:10 > 1:19:17and it's meant to be, a phrase so vague

1:19:17 > 1:19:19it was hoped it would keep everyone happy.

1:19:19 > 1:19:21Only it seems to have left almost everyone unhappy.

1:19:21 > 1:19:23So what is it meant to mean?

1:19:23 > 1:19:25Well, it's meant to signal that existing customs rules

1:19:25 > 1:19:27between Northern Ireland and Ireland will stay roughly

1:19:27 > 1:19:32the same after Brexit.

1:19:32 > 1:19:35In other words, there'd be no new border checks, customs controls,

1:19:35 > 1:19:36or tiresome extra paperwork.

1:19:36 > 1:19:37Sounds simple - if only!

1:19:37 > 1:19:42Because all sides have rather different takes

1:19:42 > 1:19:47on regulatory alignment.

1:19:47 > 1:19:48To the Irish Government, it means there'll be

1:19:48 > 1:19:51no need for a border between North and South.

1:19:51 > 1:19:54To the British Government, it means there'll only be

1:19:54 > 1:19:57a light-touch border with limited customs checks.

1:19:57 > 1:19:59To the DUP, however, it means Northern Ireland risks

1:19:59 > 1:20:07being hived off from the rest of the UK.

1:20:07 > 1:20:10Their fear that regulatory alignment is being used by some in Dublin

1:20:10 > 1:20:12to pave the way for a united Ireland.

1:20:12 > 1:20:15So what happens now?

1:20:15 > 1:20:18Well, someone is going to have to come up with a new phrase -

1:20:18 > 1:20:20and perhaps we'll all just have to forget

1:20:20 > 1:20:23about regulatory alignment.

1:20:30 > 1:20:34With talks stalling, tempers are fraying as our interview

1:20:34 > 1:20:38demonstrates.I think it was a difficult day for her and today is

1:20:38 > 1:20:42snore day and she will be speaking to the DUP...Did she not speak to

1:20:42 > 1:20:45them ahead of that lunch?Well, you're going to have to ask people

1:20:45 > 1:20:50in Downing Street and not me, but clearly there was a misunderstanding

1:20:50 > 1:20:55as between the Government's position and the DUP. That has got...Sorry

1:20:55 > 1:21:00to interrupt. How is that possible? How could there be a

1:21:00 > 1:21:04misunderstanding? What do you mean? Quite clearly, Downing Street and

1:21:04 > 1:21:09the DUP were not on the same page so far as this is concerned.And how is

1:21:09 > 1:21:14this possible?I'm frayed I'm not the person to ask.Dear oh dear.The

1:21:14 > 1:21:21person to ask is the Government. Dear oh dear.I can hear Mr Russell

1:21:21 > 1:21:25in the background. It has probably been the least productive of anyone

1:21:25 > 1:21:32that I have met.We are being led to disaster by people like David Jones

1:21:32 > 1:21:38who haven't got a clue.Did the DUP do the right thing, David Jones?

1:21:38 > 1:21:42Well, they certainly did in their terms. Clearly, they have got a duty

1:21:42 > 1:21:46to their electors in Northern Ireland and they want to make sure

1:21:46 > 1:21:50that whatever arrangements are put in place are satisfactory to the

1:21:50 > 1:21:54electors.Why do you think Mrs May thought it would be acceptable to

1:21:54 > 1:21:58effectively stay in the single market and the customs union in all

1:21:58 > 1:22:02but name in Northern Ireland?Well, again, I'm not the person to ask

1:22:02 > 1:22:06because the people who ask are the people, of course, who were advising

1:22:06 > 1:22:09Mrs May during the course of the negotiations.Do you think it's a

1:22:09 > 1:22:12good idea?Well, clearly, there should have been clarity between the

1:22:12 > 1:22:17Government and the DUP...No, sure, of course, there should, but the

1:22:17 > 1:22:19principle of what was being suggested, do you back that?The

1:22:19 > 1:22:23principle of what has been suggested, no, I think, I think,

1:22:23 > 1:22:27it's extremely difficult to see how you can have wholly separate

1:22:27 > 1:22:31arrangements for Northern Ireland as against the rest of the UK. But

1:22:31 > 1:22:34nevertheless, of course, Northern Ireland has always been a very

1:22:34 > 1:22:39special case.Final thought from you on what's going to happen now?Well,

1:22:39 > 1:22:43I suffered David Jones for a year on the joint ministerial committee. He

1:22:43 > 1:22:47doesn't know what he's talking about. He's making a mess of it. In

1:22:47 > 1:22:52the name of god stop this nonsense because it is causing disaster and

1:22:52 > 1:22:57we are being led to disaster by people like David Jones.Mr Russell

1:22:57 > 1:23:02was probably the biggest impediment between the Government and the

1:23:02 > 1:23:05devolved administrations and frankly he has just displayed why he is a

1:23:05 > 1:23:10danger to the whole process of Brexit.This is just nonsense.OK.

1:23:10 > 1:23:14I'm going to leave it there.It's impossible.Thank you for your time,

1:23:14 > 1:23:18I appreciate it. David Jones, Conservative Party MP and former

1:23:18 > 1:23:24Brexit minister and Michael Russell of the SNP. Thank you.

1:23:24 > 1:23:28Mike Holden on Twitter says, "It is a good job you kept those two apart,

1:23:28 > 1:23:33they would have been scrapping on the floor. Is there any chance of

1:23:33 > 1:23:40getting them in the studio?"

1:23:41 > 1:23:43Life in the seas risks irreparable damage from a rising

1:23:43 > 1:23:47tide of plastic waste.

1:23:47 > 1:23:50That's according to the UN oceans chief who is warning governments,

1:23:50 > 1:23:52firms and individual people must act far more quickly to halt

1:23:52 > 1:23:53plastic pollution.

1:23:53 > 1:23:56It comes ahead of a UN environment summit in Nairobi in Kenya

1:23:56 > 1:23:59with plans being discussed on a legal treaty banning plastic

1:23:59 > 1:24:01waste from entering the sea.

1:24:01 > 1:24:03So let's take a look at why this matters,

1:24:03 > 1:24:09and how bad a problem it's become.

1:24:09 > 1:24:13By 2050, there will be more plastic than fish in the sea,

1:24:13 > 1:24:15according to the World Economic Forum.

1:24:15 > 1:24:1980% of all the litter in the ocean is plastic.

1:24:19 > 1:24:22Last year, more than seven billion people worldwide produced over

1:24:22 > 1:24:28300 million tonnes of plastic.

1:24:28 > 1:24:33Ships are banned from dumping plastic overboard, but there's no

1:24:33 > 1:24:35international law against plastics flooding into the sea from the land.

1:24:35 > 1:24:37China, Thailand, Indonesia and the Philippines are responsible

1:24:37 > 1:24:41for much of the world's ocean plastic pollution.

1:24:41 > 1:24:45As well as bottles, drinking straws, micro beads and polystyrene boxes,

1:24:45 > 1:24:47it's estimated there are 640,000 tonnes of abandoned fishing

1:24:47 > 1:24:52nets on the ocean floor.

1:24:52 > 1:24:55There are severe consequences for marine animals,

1:24:55 > 1:24:59who choke on the plastic and have their habitats destroyed.

1:24:59 > 1:25:02Sunlight breaks the plastic into small places, which fish

1:25:02 > 1:25:06and sea birds mistake for food and ingest.

1:25:06 > 1:25:11And that threatens the food supply for humans as well.

1:25:11 > 1:25:13Campaigners want a Paris climate-style deal,

1:25:13 > 1:25:19with countries agreeing long-term goals and zero-tolerance.

1:25:26 > 1:25:35The issue was highlighted in Blue Planet II.

1:25:35 > 1:25:39This clip led to loads of you promising to cut down on the

1:25:39 > 1:25:52plastics you use. A pod of short finned pilot whales.

1:25:52 > 1:25:56They live together in what are perhaps the most closely knit of

1:25:56 > 1:26:07families in the whole ocean.

1:26:07 > 1:26:11Today, in the Atlantic waters off Europe, as elsewhere, they have to

1:26:11 > 1:26:21share the ocean with plastic.

1:26:24 > 1:26:39A mother is holding her newborn young. It's dead.

1:26:44 > 1:26:48She is reluctant to let it go and has been carrying it around for many

1:26:48 > 1:26:58days.

1:27:05 > 1:27:20Let's talk to Anja Rubik. In nou

1:27:20 > 1:27:22roby

1:27:22 > 1:27:24we have got another guest.

1:27:24 > 1:27:27You have seen the work that's going on. How serious is this problem?It

1:27:27 > 1:27:34is serious. I'm excited we are addressing this really big issue and

1:27:34 > 1:27:38here we spoke about the impact of plastic in the oceans, but we have

1:27:38 > 1:27:44to come to the terms that plastic is a design failure and once it is

1:27:44 > 1:27:49created it never disappears. It just dissolves into smaller pieces, it is

1:27:49 > 1:27:53mixed in the plankton and swallowed by fish. It is everywhere. It is in

1:27:53 > 1:27:58the atmosphere. It is incredibly harmful to people as well. I'm very

1:27:58 > 1:28:03excited that finally we are addressing this really big issue

1:28:03 > 1:28:06because it has past the point of raising awareness or symbolic

1:28:06 > 1:28:12actions. It is about finding solutions that scale fast and the

1:28:12 > 1:28:23solution is, I like working with PARLY. It is a void and redesign.

1:28:23 > 1:28:28The key right now is to create a new generation of materials that we

1:28:28 > 1:28:32could use and put pressure on governments and brands out there to

1:28:32 > 1:28:37create new materials.Sure. Let me bring in the United Nations

1:28:37 > 1:28:42representative. What kind of damage is plastic doing in our oceans?It's

1:28:42 > 1:28:46really very wide ranging. At the moment you're looking at about eight

1:28:46 > 1:28:51million tonnes of plastic going into the sea every year. That's the

1:28:51 > 1:28:55equivalent of one full garbage truck of plastic right into the ocean

1:28:55 > 1:28:59every minute. So, the volumes are really staggering. The most obvious

1:28:59 > 1:29:04ones are things like you saw on the film clips a moment ago, you get

1:29:04 > 1:29:09animals tangled, they might ingest it and get hurt. They might die or

1:29:09 > 1:29:12their lives are just really significantly impacted. The

1:29:12 > 1:29:17challenge with this is, it's more than the individual animals. You

1:29:17 > 1:29:20hurt the ecosystems and how they function which ultimately come back

1:29:20 > 1:29:26to haunt us in terms of reduced ecosystems services, our fisheries

1:29:26 > 1:29:32are going to be challenged by this issue. Partly by plastic getting

1:29:32 > 1:29:36stuck in propellers and in fishing gear, but partly by the reduction of

1:29:36 > 1:29:40quality of the catch and then of course, the impacts on people

1:29:40 > 1:29:46through the seafood they eat. So it cuts across all of our society. The

1:29:46 > 1:29:50impacts cut across all our society just as much as the use of plastic

1:29:50 > 1:29:55cuts across all our society.Is it too late?Oh, by no means too late.

1:29:55 > 1:30:00If we look at how quickly we've created the problem, we should

1:30:00 > 1:30:06perhaps retain a degree of optimism about being able to solve it. Since

1:30:06 > 1:30:101960, plastic production has grown 20 fold which is a huge rise and

1:30:10 > 1:30:15that is, of course, a combination of lifestyle change, economic growth

1:30:15 > 1:30:20and so on. We haven't kept pace with the regulatory frameworks. That is

1:30:20 > 1:30:27very clear and our economic sort of system also hasn't quite kept pace

1:30:27 > 1:30:31with handling a large degree of what is deemed waste when it could

1:30:31 > 1:30:36potentially are turned into a resource. I think there-in lies the

1:30:36 > 1:30:39solution.OK, but in terms of the global community coming together and

1:30:39 > 1:30:48banning plastics from being able to reach our oceans, what has to happen

1:30:48 > 1:30:58at this UN

1:30:58 > 1:31:05There are many things that need to happen. The establish common

1:31:05 > 1:31:09priorities and pathways forward. In that sense we can draw parallels to

1:31:09 > 1:31:15the climate change negotiations, and similar work perhaps on the of it

1:31:15 > 1:31:21pace might seem gradual and slow but fundamentally it will change how we

1:31:21 > 1:31:26approach this. At the same time let's be frank about the need for

1:31:26 > 1:31:31changed behaviour across society. Individuals can already now do many

1:31:31 > 1:31:35things about their own plastic consumption and disposal. That will

1:31:35 > 1:31:41start dealing with the problem. Many companies are doing lots about

1:31:41 > 1:31:45innovation in terms of new plastics and how we deal with plastics, and

1:31:45 > 1:31:53most importantly in closing the loop so waste is no longer waste and we

1:31:53 > 1:31:57create a more circular economy around plastics and that will

1:31:57 > 1:32:03ultimately be the solution.Have you been able to cut down on your

1:32:03 > 1:32:11personal use of plastic?I try. The most basic thing you can do is don't

1:32:11 > 1:32:15use drinking straws, if London could come together and stop using them,

1:32:15 > 1:32:21that would have a huge impact. If you go on holiday and see plastic on

1:32:21 > 1:32:28the beach, pick it up, don't leave it lying there. The oceans are

1:32:28 > 1:32:33incredibly important to life. Every second breath we take, the oxygen

1:32:33 > 1:32:38comes from the oceans. I'd have to disagree because it's impossible to

1:32:38 > 1:32:43contain the circle, the loop of plastic because plastic breaks down

1:32:43 > 1:32:49into smaller pieces. It's not about maintaining that but getting rid of

1:32:49 > 1:32:53plastic completely, I know that's a very big dream, but especially stop

1:32:53 > 1:32:59creating plastic. That is our biggest mistake.Thanks for speaking

1:32:59 > 1:33:11in English because I don't speak your language, so thank you! Thank

1:33:11 > 1:33:12you to both my guests.

1:33:12 > 1:33:21Still to come.

1:33:21 > 1:33:23We'll be hearing from Kezia Dugdale - former leader

1:33:23 > 1:33:25of Scottish Labour - who was voted out of

1:33:25 > 1:33:27I'm a Celebrity on why

1:33:27 > 1:33:29she has no regrets on appearing in the show.

1:33:29 > 1:33:35Do you ever miss GP appointments?

1:33:35 > 1:33:37According to new research young men from a disadvantaged background

1:33:37 > 1:33:40are the worst culprits and more likely to skip out on appointments.

1:33:40 > 1:33:42We'll find out why they do it.

1:33:42 > 1:33:44Time for the latest news - here's Ben.

1:33:44 > 1:33:47Theresa May is meeting her cabinet after returning from Brussels last

1:33:47 > 1:33:49night with no deal to push forward the Brexit talks.

1:33:49 > 1:33:51Negotiations came to a halt after the DUP, who support

1:33:51 > 1:33:54the Conservative government, said it would not accept a deal

1:33:54 > 1:33:57which saw Northern Ireland treated differently from the rest of the UK.

1:33:57 > 1:34:01But ministers insist they are close to an agreement.

1:34:01 > 1:34:05Over the last weeks we have made tremendous steps forward. We are

1:34:05 > 1:34:07very close but not there yet.

1:34:07 > 1:34:10A total ban on plastic waste entering the ocean

1:34:10 > 1:34:12is being considered by environment ministers from around the world

1:34:12 > 1:34:15at a UN meeting in the Kenyan capital Nairobi this week.

1:34:15 > 1:34:17More than 8 million tonnes of plastic is dumped

1:34:17 > 1:34:18in the ocean annually, with China responsible

1:34:18 > 1:34:23for around a quarter of it.

1:34:23 > 1:34:31The UN has described the issue as a planetary emergency.

1:34:31 > 1:34:39A group of fishermen from the Isle of Wight found guilty of trying

1:34:39 > 1:34:41to smuggle more than £50 million of cocaine

1:34:41 > 1:34:44into the country have lost a key review of their case.

1:34:44 > 1:34:46The Criminal Cases Review Commission - which investigates

1:34:46 > 1:34:48miscarriages of justice - says unless new evidence is found

1:34:48 > 1:34:50there is no real possibility of overturning the convictions.

1:34:50 > 1:34:53Families and supporters of the group say they are bitterly disappointed.

1:34:53 > 1:34:59That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

1:34:59 > 1:35:03Here's some sport now with Jessica.

1:35:03 > 1:35:11England need 354 runs to win the second Ashes Test against Australia.

1:35:11 > 1:35:15They have lost three wickets but a 50 from Captain Joe Root has

1:35:15 > 1:35:16taken them past 150.

1:35:16 > 1:35:32In fact, they are now on 160- free. -- 160-3.

1:35:32 > 1:35:34The International Olympic Committee will decide later whether to ban

1:35:34 > 1:35:36Russia from the Winter Olympics in February.

1:35:36 > 1:35:38They missed the Rio Games because of state-sponsored doping.

1:35:38 > 1:35:41The IOC will meet in Lausanne this evening to decide if Russia have

1:35:41 > 1:35:44made enough changes to their set-up to compete in South Korea.

1:35:44 > 1:35:47Nine years late but Britain's Kelly Sotherton is to be awarded a bronze

1:35:47 > 1:35:48medal from the 2008 Olympic Games.

1:35:48 > 1:35:50It comes after Russian heptathlete Tatyana Chernova lost an appeal

1:35:50 > 1:35:52against a doping violation.

1:35:52 > 1:35:54And top seed Judd Trump has been knocked out of the UK

1:35:54 > 1:35:55Snooker Championship in York.

1:35:55 > 1:35:58The world number two was beaten six frames to two in the third

1:35:58 > 1:36:00round by Graeme Dott.

1:36:00 > 1:36:14That's all your sport. Let's get more now on the Brexit talks.

1:36:21 > 1:36:23This morning Scotland's first minister SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon

1:36:23 > 1:36:26has said that this could be a moment for the opposition to push

1:36:26 > 1:36:28to keep the whole of the UK in the single market

1:36:28 > 1:36:29and customs union.

1:36:29 > 1:36:32Saying "it needs Labour to get its act together.

1:36:32 > 1:36:33How about it @jeremycorbyn?"

1:36:33 > 1:36:36Let's speak now to Lord Peter Hain, Labour's former Secretary of State

1:36:36 > 1:36:37for Northern Ireland.

1:36:37 > 1:36:44Good morning. Is Labour ready?I hope so but this is not a party

1:36:44 > 1:36:48issue primarily, it's a question of the future of the island of Ireland

1:36:48 > 1:36:53and indeed the whole of the UK because what has been revealed, and

1:36:53 > 1:36:56frankly I'm astonished anyone was surprised at the breakdown

1:36:56 > 1:37:01yesterday, is that you cannot resolve the Irish border conundrum

1:37:01 > 1:37:07unless you maintain, and free trading and Customs area across

1:37:07 > 1:37:15their border both sides, as has existed for a long time. And if,

1:37:15 > 1:37:19again, I'm amazed anybody was surprised, if unionists, quite

1:37:19 > 1:37:24understandably from their point of view in Ireland, say fine, but we

1:37:24 > 1:37:29are not having Northern Ireland treated differently from the rest of

1:37:29 > 1:37:34the UK, and that's always been their position, the DUP are in coalition

1:37:34 > 1:37:39propping up Theresa May and why she didn't know that I have no idea,

1:37:39 > 1:37:43then that suggests... I can't see any alternative that the whole of

1:37:43 > 1:37:48the UK is in the same customs and trading area as not just the Irish

1:37:48 > 1:37:54Republic but it follows with the rest of Europe.Just to be clear,

1:37:54 > 1:37:59you are saying Northern Ireland, Scotland, England and Wales have to

1:37:59 > 1:38:03stay in the single market/ customs union in order to maintain the

1:38:03 > 1:38:10frictionless border, is that what you are saying?Yes, I am.But you

1:38:10 > 1:38:15know that's not acceptable to the governing party.What we are seeing

1:38:15 > 1:38:23is dogmatism, rigidity and bloody mindedness.They would reject that

1:38:23 > 1:38:27and say it's the only way to control immigration and negotiate trade

1:38:27 > 1:38:34deals with big countries around the world.But the single market and

1:38:34 > 1:38:38Customs union have deals already which we are part of, which we are

1:38:38 > 1:38:44about to turn our back on, with 60 other countries around the world.I

1:38:44 > 1:38:48know, but it's a way of controlling immigration and we don't have to

1:38:48 > 1:38:53have free movement of goods and people.But what hasn't been

1:38:53 > 1:38:57explained to people, including perhaps watching this programme, is

1:38:57 > 1:39:02that if you want to have the same frictionless border is not just

1:39:02 > 1:39:15across the island of Ireland which is the crucial thing at the

1:39:15 > 1:39:18moment but also across into the continent of Europe, and why

1:39:18 > 1:39:20wouldn't we, this is our biggest trading partner by far, half our

1:39:20 > 1:39:24trade is done there, not just goods and cars being imported but also

1:39:24 > 1:39:27services and they are terribly important to our economy. If you

1:39:27 > 1:39:33want to keep that - and who wouldn't, frankly, because otherwise

1:39:33 > 1:39:37jobs and the economy will be damaged and businesses will go bankrupt, not

1:39:37 > 1:39:42just in the island of Ireland but Britain as a whole - if you want to

1:39:42 > 1:39:46keep that, you have got to have a deal that maintains the frictionless

1:39:46 > 1:39:56border with the continent as well as across Ireland and that requires

1:39:56 > 1:40:01customs and trading arrangements and I don't understand how anybody wants

1:40:01 > 1:40:07that to be different.Your party simply wants access to the single

1:40:07 > 1:40:12market, not to stay in it.What we have said is we want to stay in the

1:40:12 > 1:40:19single market and Customs union for the transitional phase. After March

1:40:19 > 1:40:252019, there will then be a year or two, maybe longer in which we will

1:40:25 > 1:40:29be negotiating our trade relationship. It would be madness to

1:40:29 > 1:40:35step over the cliffs in March 2019 having exited the European Union

1:40:35 > 1:40:39into the unknown, which would be hugely damaging to Britain and cause

1:40:39 > 1:40:45a real crisis. Labour's position is we stay in for that period, however

1:40:45 > 1:40:51long it takes to negotiate a new trading arrangements.Remind my

1:40:51 > 1:40:58audience which way you voted in the EU referendum.I voted to remain,

1:40:58 > 1:41:03I've never hidden that. What I remind you about that ballot paper

1:41:03 > 1:41:07and that referendum is nowhere on the ballot paper, and everybody will

1:41:07 > 1:41:12confirm what I'm saying, did it asked the question, "Do you want to

1:41:12 > 1:41:19stay in the single market and Customs union?". You can leave the

1:41:19 > 1:41:23agricultural policy, you can leave comment and defence arrangements,

1:41:23 > 1:41:28you can stop sending MPs to Brussels, you can stop attending the

1:41:28 > 1:41:32councils of Minister meetings, all of that. A lot of European business

1:41:32 > 1:41:39you could leave and still say, like Norway does, which is not in the EU

1:41:39 > 1:41:44but is in the single market, or Turkey, which is in the customs

1:41:44 > 1:41:49union, so why would we be saying not just in respect of Northern Ireland

1:41:49 > 1:41:58but with respect to Britain, why would we turn our back on

1:41:58 > 1:42:03frictionless trade? Things like when we go on holiday to France or

1:42:03 > 1:42:08wherever it is in the rest of Europe, we can use our phones now on

1:42:08 > 1:42:13the same plan we have in Britain with no extra roaming charges

1:42:13 > 1:42:18because of the European Union. We can keep that too, otherwise we have

1:42:18 > 1:42:23to try to negotiate to keep that and there is no prospect of us

1:42:23 > 1:42:29necessarily being able to do that. As the reality against to break upon

1:42:29 > 1:42:33people's practical appreciation, I think respecting the referendum

1:42:33 > 1:42:36results but staying in the common trading and customs arrangements

1:42:36 > 1:42:43seems to me to be practical common sense. Stop the dogma, stop getting

1:42:43 > 1:42:47into trenches and find solutions. I have negotiated in Northern Ireland

1:42:47 > 1:42:51and helped negotiate the settlement that brought the old enemies into

1:42:51 > 1:42:57power. You cannot be rigid. Stick to your principles, yes, but the

1:42:57 > 1:43:02creative and I think Theresa May found yesterday the unwillingness to

1:43:02 > 1:43:08be creative got her into deep trouble.Thank you very much. Peter

1:43:08 > 1:43:12Hain.

1:43:12 > 1:43:15Kezia Dugdale, the former Scottish Labour leader,

1:43:15 > 1:43:18has insisted she has no regrets over appearing on I'm A Celebrity

1:43:18 > 1:43:21and becoming the second contestant to be evicted from the programme.

1:43:21 > 1:43:24She entered the ITV show saying she wanted a chance

1:43:24 > 1:43:28to talk about politics but that didn't really go to plan.

1:43:28 > 1:43:30Oh, my God, they've got claws!

1:43:30 > 1:43:31They're crabs!

1:43:31 > 1:43:33It's much more mentally tough than I had appreciated.

1:43:33 > 1:43:34Oh, my God, wow!

1:43:34 > 1:43:37Rice and beans are delicious, said no-one ever.

1:43:37 > 1:43:39That's grim.

1:43:39 > 1:43:40Stuff just needs to get done.

1:43:40 > 1:43:42It's frustrating me.

1:43:42 > 1:43:43Man make fire - that's their attitude.

1:43:43 > 1:43:45I want to help you.

1:43:45 > 1:43:46I don't want your help.

1:43:46 > 1:43:47Ding, ding, ding!

1:43:47 > 1:43:49Why don't you hate him?

1:43:49 > 1:43:50I did it!

1:43:50 > 1:43:57You've got to pick your battles here in the jungle.

1:43:57 > 1:44:13During her 11 days in the jungle, she drank a milkshake of pig anuses.

1:44:13 > 1:44:17And crawled through fish guts

1:44:17 > 1:44:19in a tank labelled Sickola Sturgeon after Scotland's first minister,

1:44:19 > 1:44:21Nicola Sturgeon before being evicted.

1:44:21 > 1:44:22The second person to leave

1:44:22 > 1:44:25I'm A Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here 2017 is...

1:44:25 > 1:44:26Kez.

1:44:26 > 1:44:29Well done, Kez, we'll see you across the bridge in a minute.

1:44:29 > 1:44:30Have a good day, everyone.

1:44:30 > 1:44:31Cheers, guys.

1:44:31 > 1:44:32Thank you.

1:44:32 > 1:44:34The Milky Bar is in the front of my bag.

1:44:34 > 1:44:36It's been a pleasure.

1:44:36 > 1:44:37Speaking to us from Australia, Kezia Dugdale acknowledged

1:44:37 > 1:44:41that she has a bit of work to do to make amends but that it was

1:44:41 > 1:44:46definitely worth it.

1:44:46 > 1:44:51I'm A Celebrity was a huge entertainment programme watched by

1:44:51 > 1:44:56millions of people across the UK, largely young people who are least

1:44:56 > 1:45:02likely to engage in politics. It was important to me to do two things,

1:45:02 > 1:45:05firstly to show there are young, decent people in politics, they are

1:45:05 > 1:45:11not all men in their latter years with a certain outlook on life and

1:45:11 > 1:45:15secondly I wanted to show what strong women can do because it's a

1:45:15 > 1:45:20brutal environment in the jungle. I had some clashes over what our

1:45:20 > 1:45:24traditional male jobs like building fires and I think it's important for

1:45:24 > 1:45:30people to see women step up and do things like that.To build fires? Do

1:45:30 > 1:45:36you really think you prospered in there?I haven't seen all the

1:45:36 > 1:45:41programme but I worked hard, in the camp, taking on challenges, doing

1:45:41 > 1:45:52the maintenance and jobs in camp and I did it with a smile on my face and

1:45:52 > 1:45:55a good heart. I had a very interesting and long conversations

1:45:55 > 1:45:58with other camp mates.Don't you think you will only be remembered

1:45:58 > 1:46:09for your time in the jungle for drinking a milkshake of pig anuses.

1:46:09 > 1:46:13You might not like that very much, but it is considered light

1:46:13 > 1:46:16entertainment and it is watched by millions of people...It was

1:46:16 > 1:46:22fantastic to watch. It was fantastic entertainment. I'm saying that's all

1:46:22 > 1:46:27you will be remembered for?I don't accept that. It is important people

1:46:27 > 1:46:32see politicians sometimes make light of themselves. I have spent the last

1:46:32 > 1:46:3615 years of my life devoted to the Labour Party and talking about

1:46:36 > 1:46:39fairness and equality and workers' rights and I will continue to do

1:46:39 > 1:46:43that and this programme allows me to do that more of the future and

1:46:43 > 1:46:47that's why I took that jump and made that gamble.So you will be doing

1:46:47 > 1:46:52more reality TV in the future?No, that's not what I'm saying, I'm able

1:46:52 > 1:46:59to use the UK profile to talk more about politics and the big issues of

1:46:59 > 1:47:01the day. Let's talk about the Labour Party

1:47:01 > 1:47:04then because you face an internal inquiry from Scottish Labour when

1:47:04 > 1:47:08you get back to Edinburgh because you agreed to take part in the

1:47:08 > 1:47:10programme without formal approval from party officials to be absent

1:47:10 > 1:47:14from the Scottish Parliament? Are you ready for that? What are you

1:47:14 > 1:47:19expecting?I am, Victoria, but it is more complicated than that. It was

1:47:19 > 1:47:22hard to seek approval because there was no leader of the Labour Party at

1:47:22 > 1:47:25the time. So, I approached both of the leadership contenders at the

1:47:25 > 1:47:29time. I told them that I I planned to go away for three weeks to go

1:47:29 > 1:47:33abroad and do something to raise a bit of money for charity. I couldn't

1:47:33 > 1:47:37say more than that because of the nature of the contract. I do

1:47:37 > 1:47:39understand that it is controversial. I do understand that there are lots

1:47:39 > 1:47:43of people at home that are unhappy that I have taken part in the

1:47:43 > 1:47:46programme and I have got a bit of work to do to make amends, but

1:47:46 > 1:47:49please don't doubt the fact that I am devoted to the Labour Party. I

1:47:49 > 1:47:53love my job and I think I'm better placed to do it for a long time now,

1:47:53 > 1:47:56having had this experience.OK. I will ask you about making amends in

1:47:56 > 1:48:00a moment. Did you stand down as leader of

1:48:00 > 1:48:05Scottish Labour in order to go into the jungle?Categorically not. I

1:48:05 > 1:48:08wasn't even approached to do the programme until after I stood down.

1:48:08 > 1:48:11How much did you get paid for appearing in the jungle and how much

1:48:11 > 1:48:16of that fee are you keeping? I'm not allowed it talk about that

1:48:16 > 1:48:20just now because of the nature of my contract with ITV. Naturally as a

1:48:20 > 1:48:23politician I will have to declare any earnings thave got from the

1:48:23 > 1:48:26programme through the normal processes and of course, I will do

1:48:26 > 1:48:31that. I haven't been paid my full fee yet for from ITV so the minute

1:48:31 > 1:48:34that my contract allows me to do that detail, I will do that detail.

1:48:34 > 1:48:38I should say that I will dmaout a proportion of my salary to charity

1:48:38 > 1:48:43and I'm thinking just now which charities will benefit as a cons qen

1:48:43 > 1:48:49of that. I donated my salary before I left to the Rock Trust which

1:48:49 > 1:48:52supports vulnerable young people in Edinburgh at risk of homelessness so

1:48:52 > 1:48:59it will be to charities like that I support and that I will be donating

1:48:59 > 1:49:05money to.What proportion of the fee are you donating and what proportion

1:49:05 > 1:49:11are you keeping?I'm not allowed to talk about money.You can tell me

1:49:11 > 1:49:14what proportion you are keeping and what proportion you are donating?I

1:49:14 > 1:49:19am having to be careful about the words I'm using because of the

1:49:19 > 1:49:26nature of my salary.Is it 10%, 50%? Victoria, I can't answer that for a

1:49:26 > 1:49:29contractual reasons, but I will say to you, over the past few years I

1:49:29 > 1:49:32have donated over £20,000 of external earnings to charities. I

1:49:32 > 1:49:36have a record for doing that. Most notably motor neurone disease in

1:49:36 > 1:49:40Scotland. There are lots of politicians have external earnings

1:49:40 > 1:49:44that don't give anything to charity. I will do my bit. There is no doubt

1:49:44 > 1:49:49about that and I have a record of having done that in the past.Did

1:49:49 > 1:49:56you fall for Boris Johnson's father, Stanley?Did you fall for him?Yes.

1:49:56 > 1:50:02In a romantic fashion?In a friendly affectionate way?I spent the first

1:50:02 > 1:50:07couple of days angry at him because when I looked at him, he is so alike

1:50:07 > 1:50:12his son, Boris Johnson and his visual looks and his mannerisms and

1:50:12 > 1:50:15I'm angry at Boris Johnson for a number of different reasons so I

1:50:15 > 1:50:19didn't think I would like or get on with Stanley at all. We did have

1:50:19 > 1:50:22heated exchanges about certain issues including immigration and

1:50:22 > 1:50:27Brexit. But I can't help but have respect for a man who has put

1:50:27 > 1:50:31himself into some very difficult circumstances in the jungle age 77,

1:50:31 > 1:50:36a man that's written countless books and that climbed mount kill man

1:50:36 > 1:50:40Jarrow twice and had a very interesting life and it would be

1:50:40 > 1:50:44rude and inappropriate for me not to have respect for a man that lived a

1:50:44 > 1:50:49life like that.What's your view on strawberrygate?I was shocked when I

1:50:49 > 1:50:56came out of the jungle just to see the truth of strawberrygate. It

1:50:56 > 1:51:03really was all Amir's idea and Amir ate most of the straw berries and

1:51:03 > 1:51:08told a lot of porkies when I went back to the camp afterwards. His dad

1:51:08 > 1:51:11is not happy about him for that because he doesn't think that's his

1:51:11 > 1:51:16boy or how he would behave. I met and spoke with his dad yesterday.

1:51:16 > 1:51:19But it's easily the most controversial thing that happened

1:51:19 > 1:51:24within the camp during the time of the programme.