0:00:07 > 0:00:09Hello, it's Wednesday, it's 9am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire.
0:00:09 > 0:00:12Welcome to the programme.
0:00:12 > 0:00:15Our top story today - a man is due in Westminster
0:00:15 > 0:00:19Magistrates' Court this morning over an alleged plot to kill Theresa May.
0:00:19 > 0:00:22We'll bring you the details.
0:00:22 > 0:00:24Also on the programme, will showing a greater understanding
0:00:24 > 0:00:27of what leads a young offender to commit a crime
0:00:27 > 0:00:28help cut offending?
0:00:28 > 0:00:32The chief inspector of probation thinks so.
0:00:32 > 0:00:36It's about taking a step back and really thinking about this much more
0:00:36 > 0:00:43long-term. Sometimes spending many months working with this young
0:00:43 > 0:00:47person to build that relationship before you start that for shaping
0:00:47 > 0:00:51activity. Often those young people have not had continuous emotional
0:00:51 > 0:00:54relationships in their lives and it can make a very substantial
0:00:54 > 0:00:56difference.
0:00:56 > 0:00:58We'll talk to those involved in the scheme.
0:00:58 > 0:01:00And your assessment on how the Brexit negotiations
0:01:00 > 0:01:02are going so far.
0:01:02 > 0:01:05Too slowly. We need to move on to trade talks and give business
0:01:05 > 0:01:09certainty.No way. We need to go more slowly because speed costs
0:01:09 > 0:01:15money in negotiations.These negotiations are complex.It is a
0:01:15 > 0:01:21shambles. Theresa May doesn't know how to negotiate and these far too
0:01:21 > 0:01:25soft.It is a quagmire created by a lack of fore sight by the
0:01:25 > 0:01:31Government. Let us know how you think Brexit
0:01:31 > 0:01:35negotiations are going. We will speak to our audience of voters in
0:01:35 > 0:01:41the next half an hour.
0:01:43 > 0:01:47Hello and welcome to the programme, we're live until 11am.
0:01:47 > 0:01:54Throughout the morning the latest breaking news
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0:02:28 > 0:02:29Our top story today.
0:02:29 > 0:02:32A man is due to appear in court today, accused of a plot to attack
0:02:32 > 0:02:34Downing Street and kill the Prime Minister.
0:02:34 > 0:02:36Another man will also appear, charged with terrorism offences.
0:02:36 > 0:02:38Let's get more on this with June Kelly, who's
0:02:38 > 0:02:48at Westminster Magistrates' Court in central London.
0:02:49 > 0:02:51Number Ten Downing Street, the target of an alleged Islamist
0:02:51 > 0:02:53plot to kill the Prime Minister.
0:02:53 > 0:02:55It's understood the allegations involved a plan to bomb the security
0:02:55 > 0:02:57gates at the entrance to Downing Street and then
0:02:57 > 0:02:59in the ensuing chaos, launch a knife attack
0:02:59 > 0:03:00against Theresa May.
0:03:00 > 0:03:02Two men are due to appear before Westminster Magistrates' today
0:03:02 > 0:03:04charged with terrorism offences.
0:03:04 > 0:03:10Naa'imur Zakariyah "Khan" is 20 and Mohammed Aqib Imran is 21.
0:03:10 > 0:03:13Andrew Parker, the head of MI5, briefed the Prime Minister
0:03:13 > 0:03:16and the Cabinet yesterday about nine alleged terror plots that have been
0:03:16 > 0:03:20foiled since March this year.
0:03:20 > 0:03:22In the House of Commons, the Home Secretary said police
0:03:22 > 0:03:25would have the money they needed.
0:03:25 > 0:03:27We will shortly be announcing the budgets
0:03:27 > 0:03:32for policing for 2017-2018.
0:03:32 > 0:03:35I am clear that we must ensure counterterrorism policing has
0:03:35 > 0:03:41the resources needed to deal with the threats that we face.
0:03:41 > 0:03:44Yesterday, a report into the four terror attacks in the UK this year
0:03:44 > 0:03:47said some of those who carried them out were known to
0:03:47 > 0:03:48the security services.
0:03:48 > 0:03:51It suggested it was conceivable the Manchester Arena attack
0:03:51 > 0:03:57which killed 22 people could have been stopped.
0:03:57 > 0:04:0315-year-old Olivia Campbell-Hardy was among those victims.
0:04:03 > 0:04:06Her grandfather said he wasn't blaming the security services.
0:04:06 > 0:04:09They're gonna do the best they can with the information they have
0:04:09 > 0:04:11got and they gather, assess themselves,
0:04:11 > 0:04:13assess the situation, make decisions, and act on it.
0:04:13 > 0:04:17I will not fault anybody for doing their job.
0:04:17 > 0:04:19The security services say the level of threat remains unprecedented,
0:04:19 > 0:04:27with over 500 active counter terror investigations.
0:04:31 > 0:04:35More on that throughout the programme, of Cors.
0:04:35 > 0:04:37Ben Brown is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary
0:04:37 > 0:04:39of the rest of the day's news.
0:04:39 > 0:04:42The White House says President Trump is to break with decades of American
0:04:42 > 0:04:45policy on Israel and is to recognise Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.
0:04:45 > 0:04:48He's also due to begin the process of moving the US embassy
0:04:48 > 0:04:50to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv, a process which may
0:04:50 > 0:04:53take several years.
0:04:53 > 0:04:55Arab leaders have warned against moving the embassy,
0:04:55 > 0:05:01saying it would be "a flagrant provocation to Muslims".
0:05:01 > 0:05:05Our correspondent is in Jerusalem for us. Give us an idea of the
0:05:05 > 0:05:08reaction to this?Well, this is something that really goes to the
0:05:08 > 0:05:16heart of one of the thorniest issues in the Israel-mrn conflict.
0:05:16 > 0:05:22Basically, Jerusalem is seen by the Israelis as being their eternal
0:05:22 > 0:05:27undivided capital, so for this, this is going to correct what they see as
0:05:27 > 0:05:31a historic injustice and Donald Trump will recognise sovereignty of
0:05:31 > 0:05:36Israel over Jerusalem, a city where they say they have 3,000 years of
0:05:36 > 0:05:40Jewish history, that's the seat of the Israeli government. On the
0:05:40 > 0:05:42Palestinian side, well the Palestinians claim East Jerusalem is
0:05:42 > 0:05:47the capital of their future state. That's why for decades international
0:05:47 > 0:05:52consensus has been that only in an negotiated peace deal between Israel
0:05:52 > 0:05:56and the Palestinians should the status of Jerusalem be worked out.
0:05:56 > 0:05:59Palestinians and other Arab leaders have spoken to Donald Trump by
0:05:59 > 0:06:04phone. They have expressed alarm over this. They have said this could
0:06:04 > 0:06:07inflame religious tensions in region because East Jerusalem is where you
0:06:07 > 0:06:13have got the old city with its religious sites, holy to dues and
0:06:13 > 0:06:17Muslims and to Christians and they are saying it going to upset Donald
0:06:17 > 0:06:21Trump's plans of being a broker for the ultimate deal as he has called
0:06:21 > 0:06:24it between Israel and the Palestinians bringing peace to this
0:06:24 > 0:06:31region. Thank you very much indeed.
0:06:31 > 0:06:34The family of an 81-year-old woman has received a £45,000 pay-out
0:06:34 > 0:06:38after she was kept alive against her will.
0:06:38 > 0:06:41Brenda Grant made a living will stating she feared degradation
0:06:41 > 0:06:46and indignity more than death after seeing her mum lose
0:06:46 > 0:06:48her independence through dementia.
0:06:48 > 0:06:50But the George Eliot hospital, in Nuneaton, Warwickshire,
0:06:50 > 0:06:52misplaced the document and she was artificially
0:06:52 > 0:06:54fed for 22 months.
0:06:55 > 0:06:58Russia has been banned from taking part in next year's Winter Olympics
0:06:58 > 0:07:01in South Korea following a report into systematic doping
0:07:01 > 0:07:03at the 2014 Games.
0:07:03 > 0:07:08Individual athletes will be allowed to take part
0:07:08 > 0:07:10if they can prove a doping-free background, but must compete
0:07:10 > 0:07:11under a neutral flag.
0:07:11 > 0:07:14The deputy speaker of the Russian parliament has called the ban
0:07:14 > 0:07:17a "humiliation and an insult".
0:07:17 > 0:07:21Tens of thousands of people have been forced to flee from the path
0:07:21 > 0:07:23of wildfires in southern California.
0:07:23 > 0:07:26Hundreds of buildings have been destroyed by the blazes and several
0:07:26 > 0:07:28thousand homes are under mandatory evacuation in the cities
0:07:28 > 0:07:33of Ventura and Santa Paula, north of Los Angeles.
0:07:33 > 0:07:39California has been hit hard by wildfires in recent months.
0:07:39 > 0:07:41At least 40 people were killed when fires ripped through parts
0:07:41 > 0:07:43of northern California's wine region in October.
0:07:43 > 0:07:49James Cook has the latest from Los Angeles.
0:07:49 > 0:07:53There will be hundreds of homes that have been destroyed. Tens of
0:07:53 > 0:07:56thousands of people have fled and just tonight, in the past few
0:07:56 > 0:08:02minutes, the breaking news is that the extraordinary scene is that the
0:08:02 > 0:08:06fire has reached the Pacific Ocean. It has leapt over the main coastal
0:08:06 > 0:08:09motorway and is burning on the very edge of the Pacific. It seems the
0:08:09 > 0:08:15water is the only thing that can stop this blaze.
0:08:15 > 0:08:20James Cook reporting.
0:08:20 > 0:08:22Banks should end all unauthorised overdraft charges
0:08:22 > 0:08:24because they are trapping people in persistent debt, the financial
0:08:24 > 0:08:29charity Step Change has said.
0:08:29 > 0:08:32It says two million people in the UK used their overdraft facility
0:08:32 > 0:08:33every month last year.
0:08:33 > 0:08:36The organisation wants banks and regulators to do more
0:08:36 > 0:08:37to identify people caught up in a "vicious cycle of borrowing".
0:08:38 > 0:08:41There are calls for a new way of working with young offenders
0:08:41 > 0:08:45to cut levels of re-offending.
0:08:45 > 0:08:48Her Majesty's Inspector of Probation, Dame Glenys Stacey,
0:08:48 > 0:08:51has told the Victoria Derbyshire programme she wants to see
0:08:51 > 0:08:53a new approach rolled out across England and Wales.
0:08:53 > 0:08:57It would mean building a relationship with offenders
0:08:57 > 0:09:00between the ages of ten to 18 and working out what has led
0:09:00 > 0:09:04to their offending before asking them to change their behaviour.
0:09:05 > 0:09:07The winner of this year's prestigious Turner Prize
0:09:07 > 0:09:09was announced in Hull last night.
0:09:09 > 0:09:13Lubaina Himid has become both the oldest winner and the first ever
0:09:13 > 0:09:15woman of colour to take the award.
0:09:15 > 0:09:17The 63-year-old artist was born in Zanzibar,
0:09:17 > 0:09:20but is now based in Preston, and uses her work to address racial
0:09:20 > 0:09:28politics and the legacy of slavery.
0:09:28 > 0:09:35I think the history of what we've contributed is underrepresented.
0:09:35 > 0:09:37Black people contributed with their lives, in
0:09:37 > 0:09:40the very first place.
0:09:40 > 0:09:43And we've continued to contribute culturally in all sorts of ways.
0:09:43 > 0:09:45Scientifically, every which way.
0:09:45 > 0:09:47And that is recognised every now and again, but it's not woven
0:09:47 > 0:09:55into the British story.
0:09:56 > 0:10:00Christine Keeler, the model at the centre
0:10:00 > 0:10:07of the Profumo affair of the 1960s, has died.
0:10:07 > 0:10:10The 19-year-old became famous after it emerged she'd had an affair
0:10:10 > 0:10:12with both the Conservative minister John Profumo and with
0:10:12 > 0:10:14a Russian diplomat at the height of the Cold War.
0:10:14 > 0:10:17The scandal was considered by many to be the downfall of the Macmillan
0:10:17 > 0:10:21government and she was vilified by the press at the time.
0:10:22 > 0:10:25As they say, if at first you don't succeed, try, try and try again.
0:10:25 > 0:10:27Which is exactly what demolition experts in the US state
0:10:27 > 0:10:30of Michigan have had to do!
0:10:30 > 0:10:33After attempting and failing seven times on Sunday to demolish
0:10:33 > 0:10:36the derelict Silverdome stadium, the former home of the American
0:10:36 > 0:10:38football team the Detroit Lions, things finally went
0:10:38 > 0:10:42to plan yesterday.
0:10:42 > 0:10:44Explosions removed the upper level of the old stadium,
0:10:44 > 0:10:51the lower levels are set to be demolished next year.
0:10:52 > 0:11:01That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30am.
0:11:01 > 0:11:05It is so mesmerising to watch pictures of buildings being
0:11:05 > 0:11:07destroyed for some reason.
0:11:07 > 0:11:09Do get in touch with us throughout the morning,
0:11:09 > 0:11:12use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and if you text, you will be charged
0:11:12 > 0:11:15at the standard network rate.
0:11:15 > 0:11:22There is a scheme in Nottinghamshire for several years which is an
0:11:22 > 0:11:25attempt to cut the re-offending rates. So people who have already
0:11:25 > 0:11:28been in Young Offenders Institutions to make sure they don't commit
0:11:28 > 0:11:33another crime when they come out. Seven out of ten people do reoffend
0:11:33 > 0:11:36having been in custody which is a really high figure and governments
0:11:36 > 0:11:40over rears have tried to work out how to tackle the re-offending
0:11:40 > 0:11:45rates. We'll bring you the details of this scheme after 9.30am. Dave on
0:11:45 > 0:11:48Facebook has got an answer on how to tackle youth re-offending. "Get
0:11:48 > 0:11:52tough. Harder sentences. American-style boot camps. Get
0:11:52 > 0:11:57tougher in schools. Make parents responsible. Plenty of ideas there.
0:11:57 > 0:12:01Get on with it." Says Dave. Anthony on Facebook says, "There should be
0:12:01 > 0:12:06some sort of boot camp where they are sent once they offend, but not
0:12:06 > 0:12:10serious offences. No PlayStation or know mobile phones, limited internet
0:12:10 > 0:12:13access etcetera. Make them work whilst they're in there, but give
0:12:13 > 0:12:17them a sense of self worth, a decent education or trade so that when they
0:12:17 > 0:12:22come out, they can start to live a decent life."
0:12:22 > 0:12:26Our film is coming up after 9.30am.
0:12:26 > 0:12:31Let's get some sport with Hugh.
0:12:31 > 0:12:34The England team demoralised after losing the second Test?England
0:12:34 > 0:12:38could be staring at another embarrassing Ashes Series defeat.
0:12:38 > 0:12:44They are 2-0 in the best of five series after the hosts Australia
0:12:44 > 0:12:47took a 121 run win in Adelaide. England had offered a glimmer of
0:12:47 > 0:12:52hope going into the final day. They needed what was an unlikely 178 to
0:12:52 > 0:12:56win, but they had six wickets in hand and I woke up like many this
0:12:56 > 0:12:59morning to check if the near impossible was still on and of
0:12:59 > 0:13:04course, they had already lost and they were swept aside. Chris Woakes
0:13:04 > 0:13:08went with the second ball of the day. That was before his captain Joe
0:13:08 > 0:13:12Root went in the next over. Not great for England at that point.
0:13:12 > 0:13:16They did make a brief stand. Jonny Bairstow helping to get them towards
0:13:16 > 0:13:24the figure, but in the end, dismissal, Mitchell's Starc's fifth
0:13:24 > 0:13:28wicket. They lost their final six wickets in the opening session of
0:13:28 > 0:13:32the day. So really, Victoria, the momentum now well and truly with
0:13:32 > 0:13:36Australia. Their bowler Josh Hazlewood said they expected more
0:13:36 > 0:13:40fight from England on the final day. We will see if they can bounce back
0:13:40 > 0:13:44and add some fight going forward from this point.Yes. I mean, it
0:13:44 > 0:13:47feels suddenly like the winter is stretching ahead, doesn't it? It
0:13:47 > 0:13:51could be a very long winter. Where do they go from here? What can they
0:13:51 > 0:13:57do? Is there any chance of Ben Stokes coming back?It's very, very
0:13:57 > 0:14:01small chance of Ben Stokes coming back. Much of the concern though out
0:14:01 > 0:14:04in Australia seems to be over England's batting. He would have
0:14:04 > 0:14:09helped with that, of course, neither their batsmen or bowlers fired in
0:14:09 > 0:14:13the first innings of this Test in Adelaide. The first innings deficit
0:14:13 > 0:14:18was more than 200. The first time since 19.81 that happened to
0:14:18 > 0:14:22England. They haven't been able to turn their 50, into tonnes in the
0:14:22 > 0:14:27way Australia have. Joe Root the captain made three 50s out of his
0:14:27 > 0:14:31four times at bat in the Ashes Series so far. He hasn't made a
0:14:31 > 0:14:35century yet. In the second half, England improved, but it was too
0:14:35 > 0:14:43little, too late. Root is optimistic. Here is what he had to
0:14:43 > 0:14:48say afterwards.The way we went about the second proved to everyone
0:14:48 > 0:14:52really that we are still massively in this series. I think it's as
0:14:52 > 0:14:57simple as that. We've shown that throughout the two games, with
0:14:57 > 0:15:01periods that we can outperform Australia, but just not for five
0:15:01 > 0:15:05days and that's going to be our challenge really. If we get that
0:15:05 > 0:15:09right, and we can perform to our ability for longer periods of time
0:15:09 > 0:15:16then we will win games. Simple as that.They are looking for that
0:15:16 > 0:15:21consistency that he mentioned before the third Test in Perth which starts
0:15:21 > 0:15:25next Thursday. If Australia win that Test, they will regain the Ashes.
0:15:25 > 0:15:30They haven't won in Perth for nearly 40 years. Things aren't about to get
0:15:30 > 0:15:33any easier for them, Victoria. It will take a big swing for England if
0:15:33 > 0:15:38they are to turn the Ashes Series around.Cheers, Hugh. More from Hugh
0:15:38 > 0:15:43throughout the morning, of course.
0:15:43 > 0:15:46This morning 52% of you voted for it, but now making it happen
0:15:46 > 0:15:48is proving a little tricky .
0:15:48 > 0:15:50Brexit talks are stalling over the issue of the Northern Ireland
0:15:50 > 0:15:54border with the government trying to find a way to reconcile what it
0:15:54 > 0:15:55planned to agree with the EU,
0:15:55 > 0:16:03with the demands of the Democratic Unionist Party?
0:16:03 > 0:16:06Whether you voted to leave or remain, what do you think about how
0:16:06 > 0:16:16the negotiations are being handled?
0:16:22 > 0:16:25Orange voted and campaign for remain, I think the gauche Asians
0:16:25 > 0:16:30are going pretty shockingly, in recent weeks, we have seen the line
0:16:30 > 0:16:32of Theresa May.
0:16:33 > 0:16:39-- I dink the negotiations are going pretty shockingly.I don't know
0:16:39 > 0:16:49where we go from here. Really Conservative councillor for Essex, I
0:16:49 > 0:16:55supported remain during the referendum, I think negotiations are
0:16:55 > 0:16:59really hard and complex.There are some common ground for ourselves and
0:16:59 > 0:17:07those we are negotiating with. Soon. There is a deadline of next week, on
0:17:07 > 0:17:12the first phase, D-Link Theresa May is capable of finding a solution
0:17:12 > 0:17:15full. I think we have seen
0:17:20 > 0:17:25what progress do you see being made on the border issue?So much noise
0:17:25 > 0:17:28and discussion over the last couple of days shows that we are close to a
0:17:28 > 0:17:33solution. And apps there are others that do not want us getting as close
0:17:33 > 0:17:37as we are getting and getting as good a deal as we are getting and
0:17:37 > 0:17:40trying to throw obstacles in the way.At the beginning of the
0:17:40 > 0:17:46programme you said, Theresa May is not a good negotiator.Excuse me, my
0:17:46 > 0:17:50name is Patricia Gulliver, I come from Bromley, I am a member of Ukip,
0:17:50 > 0:17:56obviously I voted to leave, and I think that... I think it is a
0:17:56 > 0:18:01complete and utter shambles, when you are negotiating for anything you
0:18:01 > 0:18:05put your cards on the table, you say, this is what I want, and you
0:18:05 > 0:18:09let the other person say whether you will get it or not. If you're not
0:18:09 > 0:18:16going to get it, and you cannot come to an agreement, you walk away.She
0:18:16 > 0:18:20said, yes, we will go for that, perhaps you did that, but it was the
0:18:20 > 0:18:27Democratic Unionist Party who support the. It was not the people
0:18:27 > 0:18:30she was negotiating with, it was the people who she may have would be
0:18:30 > 0:18:35supporting her.That is now, that has only just happened, we are
0:18:35 > 0:18:45talking about 18 months ago when we have the referendum.We may
0:18:45 > 0:18:49interrupt our conversation because "Brexit" secretary David Davis is
0:18:49 > 0:18:52giving evidence to a select committee in Parliament when he will
0:18:52 > 0:18:55answer questions about why 58 impact assessments, assessments on
0:18:55 > 0:18:59different sectors of the economy after Brexit, have not been released
0:18:59 > 0:19:03in full, some bits have been edited out or redacted, or whatever
0:19:03 > 0:19:08adjective you have used. We dip into that when he starts talking.
0:19:08 > 0:19:13Introduce yourself.My name is Stuart, I come from Mornington, I
0:19:13 > 0:19:18voted to leave, but I think negotiations have become a bit
0:19:18 > 0:19:24muddled. We have a rough idea where we will go, but the Northern Ireland
0:19:24 > 0:19:30border is more of an issue as you say with the DUP partners. Seems to
0:19:30 > 0:19:40me. Overall, that should not be a problem, because there should be a
0:19:40 > 0:19:47natural majority for agreement to be passed in Parliament, without having
0:19:47 > 0:19:57to go through the governing party. Who can see a solution that
0:19:57 > 0:20:03politicians may not have seen.My name is Danny. Masters student,
0:20:03 > 0:20:08Warwick University, I voted leave, I think the solution is that
0:20:08 > 0:20:12eventually, Theresa May agrees to everything the EU is asking for.
0:20:12 > 0:20:15This is not a negotiation, she does not have much wiggle room around
0:20:15 > 0:20:19their red lines, she has already given up what she said she would not
0:20:19 > 0:20:23give up as a financial settlement, David Davis, last year, said he
0:20:23 > 0:20:27would not agree to that, now it looks like they have agreed to it.
0:20:27 > 0:20:31The way to solve the problem is to agree with what the EU wants, and
0:20:31 > 0:20:35move the process forward in that way.He wants Britain to stay in the
0:20:35 > 0:20:40EU.That is not what they are saying to us, at the moment, we have said,
0:20:40 > 0:20:44you voted to leave so you can leave, this is how we will go about
0:20:44 > 0:20:48negotiations. Until the Irish issue is settled, we cannot move forward.
0:20:48 > 0:20:54Do you think that is fair enough? Do you think we can move forward with
0:20:54 > 0:20:58some kind of fudged words, so we can sort out the Irish border issue
0:20:58 > 0:21:02later on down the line.I don't think the EU have made it easy for
0:21:02 > 0:21:06the UK in these negotiations but I don't think that was the role of the
0:21:06 > 0:21:10EU, the role of the EU was to protect its own interests, role of
0:21:10 > 0:21:13the UK is to protect its own interest. People upset about the way
0:21:13 > 0:21:18the EU have Hanhandled negotiations, they should not be
0:21:18 > 0:21:21upset, if you are going to throw people into chaos, do not be
0:21:21 > 0:21:26surprised how they defend themselves.The Irish issue is not a
0:21:26 > 0:21:31real issue. I see a lot of investments coming into... I was
0:21:31 > 0:21:35remain, but now I have changed my mind, having seen what has happened
0:21:35 > 0:21:39to the markets, investment into the United Kingdom.You cannot wait for
0:21:39 > 0:21:44Britain to get out.I can wait because it cost a lot of money to
0:21:44 > 0:21:49negotiate, but the DUP issue is a ruse, anyone who has done any
0:21:49 > 0:21:51negotiations will know, the easiest thing in the world to do is say, it
0:21:51 > 0:21:55is not me, it is the people behind me making things difficult, give me
0:21:55 > 0:21:59more concessions. We know the Europeans do not want a border, we
0:21:59 > 0:22:03do not want a border but it is the best leveraged we have got to say,
0:22:03 > 0:22:10it is the DUP.You are saying Arlene Foster of the DUP is making it
0:22:10 > 0:22:14up...?No, I think the negotiating team is saying to the EU, we have
0:22:14 > 0:22:17difficulties back home in closed rooms.I'm not sure that is right,
0:22:17 > 0:22:20she was having lunch with Jean-Claude Juncker, it was coming
0:22:20 > 0:22:27to an end. Before that... A call that she was not expecting.Every
0:22:27 > 0:22:32negotiation, is when somebody else, then your hands are tied.I am
0:22:32 > 0:22:37interested you have changed your mind. Because of the effects on the
0:22:37 > 0:22:41industry you work in...Not just my industry.Because of the falling
0:22:41 > 0:22:46pound, what difference has it made. More broadly, beyond what I do as a
0:22:46 > 0:22:50fund manager, when I look at the investments coming back to the
0:22:50 > 0:22:54United Kingdom, to London, people like Facebook, Google, Apple, the
0:22:54 > 0:22:58falling pound has made it cheaper for overseas investors to invest
0:22:58 > 0:23:03here. When I am out in Singapore, Hong Kong, India, I was so shocked
0:23:03 > 0:23:06how clean they are to invest because the pound has dropped, we still have
0:23:06 > 0:23:12all the talent in the UK, this is not rhetoric, because I was remain.
0:23:12 > 0:23:16I speak to businesses, they are so pleased with getting out of what
0:23:16 > 0:23:20they see as a protectionist group in Europe, so that they can invest in
0:23:20 > 0:23:26this country. Money talks, you know what, they are invested.I am an
0:23:26 > 0:23:31executive director at an official Remain campaign in organisation,
0:23:31 > 0:23:36London first, you talk about talent, by no objective measure of these
0:23:36 > 0:23:40talks going well for Theresa May at the moment. -- London First. She has
0:23:40 > 0:23:44in her gift one thing she can do, that is to provide unilaterally
0:23:44 > 0:23:48assurance that the 3 million EU citizens currently living here will
0:23:48 > 0:23:53have the right to remain after we leave.How big an issue is that for
0:23:53 > 0:23:58London businesses?Huge issue for all businesses, EU workers doing
0:23:58 > 0:24:02brilliant things, all around the country. Brilliant business owners,
0:24:02 > 0:24:09paying taxes, creating jobs. What she could do, and this would
0:24:09 > 0:24:13strengthen her arm in negotiations, it would be such a gesture of
0:24:13 > 0:24:16goodwill, unilaterally say, we are going to enshrine in law the customs
0:24:16 > 0:24:19date and exactly what those rights are going to be for EU workers
0:24:19 > 0:24:28currently here already.We can see David Davis now, the Labour chair of
0:24:28 > 0:24:38their... We will cross to David Davis right now, we will cross to it
0:24:38 > 0:24:41now.
0:24:41 > 0:24:4758 sectoral impact assessments exist, so is it your contention that
0:24:47 > 0:24:57the reason why you have not handed over the impact assessments is
0:24:57 > 0:25:01because you do not have them?There is a formal set published by the
0:25:01 > 0:25:06better regulation task force, or unit, which lays out what they are.
0:25:06 > 0:25:12That is not the form of the sectoral analysis, the sectoral analyses,
0:25:12 > 0:25:21which were started back in 2016, are essentially looking at what the
0:25:21 > 0:25:26industries consist of, looking at the size of them in terms of revenue
0:25:26 > 0:25:35and capital and employment and is on , it is the underpinning of a lot of
0:25:35 > 0:25:39policy but it is not a forecast of the outcome of leaving the European
0:25:39 > 0:25:47Union or indeed various options thereof. That is the first thing. I
0:25:47 > 0:25:55think that point has been made, to the house, in the motion. It has
0:25:55 > 0:26:00been made by me, previously, in this committee, and in the European Union
0:26:00 > 0:26:04committee, and so on. What we are trying to do is give as best we
0:26:04 > 0:26:12could under the conditions I specified. Without undermining our
0:26:12 > 0:26:19negotiating position, and without compromising commercial
0:26:19 > 0:26:25confidentiality, or sensitivity, market sensitive data and so on, and
0:26:25 > 0:26:30that is the instruction I gave to my department. It is the instruction I
0:26:30 > 0:26:34gave out to the rest of Whitehall. Remember the analysis are spread out
0:26:34 > 0:26:39over Whitehall, the ownership of the information is all over Whitehall.
0:26:39 > 0:26:45That is why we did what we did to give you the closest we could come
0:26:45 > 0:26:52to the House of Commons motion.Just to be clear, has the government
0:26:52 > 0:26:56undertaken any impact assessments on the impact of leaving the EU for
0:26:56 > 0:27:08different sectors...What we do have, the Treasury has an OD are
0:27:08 > 0:27:16forecast, which has an indication... Even that is pretty crude. -- ODR.
0:27:16 > 0:27:19That is pretty crude, it is done from the average of all the external
0:27:19 > 0:27:28forecast. There is no systematic impact assessment.So, the arts to
0:27:28 > 0:27:32the question is no, the government has not undertaken any impact
0:27:32 > 0:27:35assessments on the locations of leaving the EU for different sectors
0:27:35 > 0:27:42of the British economy. So there is not one, for example, on the
0:27:42 > 0:27:50automotive sector. Is there one on aerospace?Not that I'm aware of.
0:27:50 > 0:27:54Financial services?It is going to be no, to all of them.Doesn't it
0:27:54 > 0:27:58strike you as rather strange, given the experience around the committee
0:27:58 > 0:28:01that you have, the government into takes impact assessments on all
0:28:01 > 0:28:05sorts of things, all the time, that on most fundamental change we are
0:28:05 > 0:28:10facing as a country, you have told us, the government has not
0:28:10 > 0:28:14undertaken any impact assessments at all, looking at the impact on
0:28:14 > 0:28:20individual sectors of the economy. The first thing to say is, when
0:28:20 > 0:28:25these analyses were initiated, they were done to understand the effect
0:28:25 > 0:28:31of various options. What the outcome would be. We don't need to do an
0:28:31 > 0:28:35impact assessment, a former impact assessment, to understand that if
0:28:35 > 0:28:40there is a regulatory hurdle between our producers and market that it
0:28:40 > 0:28:45will have an impact, and effect. The assessment of that affect, I have
0:28:45 > 0:28:49said to you before, is not as straightforward as people imagine.
0:28:49 > 0:28:55I'm not a fan of economic models, they have all proven wrong. When you
0:28:55 > 0:29:04have a paradigms change, as happened in 2008, financial crisis, all the
0:29:04 > 0:29:09models were wrong. The Queen famously asked, why did we not know!
0:29:09 > 0:29:13Similarly, what we are dealing with here, in every outcome, whether it
0:29:13 > 0:29:18is a free-trade agreement, whether it is a WTO outcome or something in
0:29:18 > 0:29:23between those points on the spectrum, it is a paradigms change.
0:29:23 > 0:29:32We know in terms not the scale, not the size, but the magnitude order of
0:29:32 > 0:29:38impact. The second point to make, when we started... I am now calling
0:29:38 > 0:29:45it impact... When we started the analysis, I did not know in my mind
0:29:45 > 0:29:54whether we would end up doing a negotiation sector by sector. That
0:29:54 > 0:30:03was the first thing to understand, separate negotiation for automotive,
0:30:03 > 0:30:09separate for financial services and so on. Let's say asset managers. We
0:30:09 > 0:30:13did not know that at the time. It became clear quickly that that was
0:30:13 > 0:30:20not going to be the approach, the timetable available to work, and we
0:30:20 > 0:30:23served the negotiating process, was an overarching free-trade deal.
0:30:23 > 0:30:28Individual sector analyses will not be informative on it necessarily,
0:30:28 > 0:30:32they are informative as to who is vulnerable, we welcome back to that
0:30:32 > 0:30:36with regional effects, it is important that it is vulnerable, but
0:30:36 > 0:30:42the impact assessment, as you turn it, piece by piece... -- as you turn
0:30:42 > 0:30:43it.
0:30:47 > 0:30:52-- as you term it. We will do the best we can to quantify the effect
0:30:52 > 0:30:56of different negotiating outcomes as we come to it. We have not yet
0:30:56 > 0:31:01started phase two, yet. In particular, we will try to assess...
0:31:06 > 0:31:15We will try and assess the effect of various outcomes in terms of the
0:31:15 > 0:31:18over arching manufacturing industry, agricultural and so on. We'll do
0:31:18 > 0:31:23that a little closer to the negotiating timetable. Now they fall
0:31:23 > 0:31:28precisely in that area which I have described as negotiation sensitive.
0:31:28 > 0:31:34So if, for example, I had two options for an industry, A and B
0:31:34 > 0:31:36that I'm negotiating with the European Union and one will be
0:31:36 > 0:31:39beneficial to the tune of 50 billion, just picking that number
0:31:39 > 0:31:43out of the air and the other option will be negative by 10 billion, I'm
0:31:43 > 0:31:46not going to publish that just before I go into the negotiation
0:31:46 > 0:31:51with the commission.Right.Now, when they come, I can tell you they
0:31:51 > 0:31:55are there, but I can't give them to the committee at that point.Well, I
0:31:55 > 0:32:00will come on to what you haven't given us, but you have just said you
0:32:00 > 0:32:03haven't done that work yet. You've said there are no impact decisions.
0:32:03 > 0:32:07You were hoping that at the October council, the door would be open to
0:32:07 > 0:32:11phase two of the negotiations where the question would be asked OK, so
0:32:11 > 0:32:15what does the British Government want? Are you actually telling us
0:32:15 > 0:32:20that the Government hadn't at that point and still hasn't, under taken
0:32:20 > 0:32:23the assessment that you've just described which you say we will do
0:32:23 > 0:32:26at some point when you are hoping at the December council to open the
0:32:26 > 0:32:32door to phase two?I reiterate the point to you Mr Chairman. The
0:32:32 > 0:32:36strategy we decided back way before the October council, before March,
0:32:36 > 0:32:43indeed before the triggering of Article 50, was that we would go for
0:32:43 > 0:32:46an over arching, comprehensive trade deal. That will cover all sectors,
0:32:46 > 0:32:51not one sector and within it, will be a financial services sector, and
0:32:51 > 0:32:57there will be some other tiers, some specific ones like data and so on.
0:32:57 > 0:33:02Some of them you can't quantify. You cannot quantify the impact of data,
0:33:02 > 0:33:09but it is a high effect impact. I haven't quite finished, Mr Chairman.
0:33:09 > 0:33:14Therefore, the usefulness of such a detailed impact assessment is near
0:33:14 > 0:33:17zero and given how we were stretching our resources to get
0:33:17 > 0:33:23where we were at the time, then it was not a sensible use of resources.
0:33:23 > 0:33:28Right, now if you're saying the usefulness of that is near zero, why
0:33:28 > 0:33:33did you tell the Foreign Affairs Committee on 13th September 2016,
0:33:33 > 0:33:40and I quote, "There is the analysis, they are working through about 50
0:33:40 > 0:33:46cross cutting sectors what is going to happen to them." That sounds like
0:33:46 > 0:33:53an impact assessment. What did Lord Bridges when he told the
0:33:53 > 0:33:57subcommittee on 13th October 2016 when he said, "We have cemented the
0:33:57 > 0:34:00UK economy into roughly 100 production sectors. We have looked
0:34:00 > 0:34:03at those to understand the size and contribution that each of these
0:34:03 > 0:34:10sectors makes to the economy and used that to support our analysis of
0:34:10 > 0:34:17the impact on them of Brexit." Now that sounds very clear to me that
0:34:17 > 0:34:22the Government has been looking at the impact on individual sectors and
0:34:22 > 0:34:25yet you've told us a moment ago that you haven't done that yet. Which is
0:34:25 > 0:34:30it? Either it has happened or it hasn't?We are talking September
0:34:30 > 0:34:342016. We were in existence over a summer, from July, August,
0:34:34 > 0:34:38September. We were still looking at that point at what strategy we would
0:34:38 > 0:34:43undertake. And so that's the first thing. The second thing is...
0:34:43 > 0:34:47STUDIO: Let's leave David Davis as he is being questioned by Labour's
0:34:47 > 0:34:52Hilary Benn. Julie says, "This is painful. Mr Davis is saying the
0:34:52 > 0:34:56Government hasn't done the preparation needed to do its job."
0:34:56 > 0:34:59Norman Smith has been listening. How do you read it?I thought the most
0:34:59 > 0:35:03striking, I don't know if you saw Hilary Benn as he was listening to
0:35:03 > 0:35:09David Davis and his mouth was, he was stunned that there are no impact
0:35:09 > 0:35:14assessments on the effect of Brexit on key areas of the UK economy,
0:35:14 > 0:35:21saying what about the auto motive sector and what about aerospace,
0:35:21 > 0:35:25what about financial services. David Davis is saying no, no, his argument
0:35:25 > 0:35:28they have got so much to do with Brexit it would be a waste of their
0:35:28 > 0:35:31resources to start compiling the reports and they are trying to get
0:35:31 > 0:35:35some huge over arching trade deal so they don't want to get bogged down
0:35:35 > 0:35:39in individual areas. However, I guarantee you there will be plenty
0:35:39 > 0:35:43of Brexit critics who will say this just goes to show the Government
0:35:43 > 0:35:50hasn't got a clue what it is doing. It hasn't done work to see what the
0:35:50 > 0:35:54impact will be on major parts of the British economy. So I suspect there
0:35:54 > 0:35:58is going to be a right old row about this.Cheers, Norman, thank you.
0:35:58 > 0:36:05Right, OK. Back to our mini audience of voters, both Leave and Remain
0:36:05 > 0:36:11voters. A number of business people. How do you react to the news that
0:36:11 > 0:36:14there are no individual sectoranal sis on the car industry and on
0:36:14 > 0:36:17financial services, we don't know what the impact of Brexit will be on
0:36:17 > 0:36:21those areas?Well, of course, those sectors have been doing their own
0:36:21 > 0:36:26work and there is barely a business in the land that hasn't done come
0:36:26 > 0:36:32sinned of forecasting...How do you react to this confirmation from the
0:36:32 > 0:36:34Brexit secretary that the Government hasn't been doing this work?It is
0:36:34 > 0:36:39surprising. I don't think many of us could get away with pretending that
0:36:39 > 0:36:41we have done something and then having to admit we haven't done
0:36:41 > 0:36:47something. I don't think business will react kindly. The biggest
0:36:47 > 0:36:51impact on business is impact on talent. Businesses need to know
0:36:51 > 0:36:55whether they are going to be able to keep their EU workers here or not.
0:36:55 > 0:36:59How do you react to the fact that David Davis is saying the Government
0:36:59 > 0:37:03has not under taken an assessment on a sector by sector basis of the
0:37:03 > 0:37:11impact of Brexit?Hi, I'm from Chingford in North London. As a
0:37:11 > 0:37:17businessman, I can tell you for sure we are affected. All businesses will
0:37:17 > 0:37:21be affected by Brexit.So it doesn't matter to you?It doesn't matter,
0:37:21 > 0:37:29yes.How are you being affected?In many ways and also I think all
0:37:29 > 0:37:33businesses, some who are affected and there will be very, very badly
0:37:33 > 0:37:36affected.It is good news for the gentleman sitting next to you. In
0:37:36 > 0:37:40what way are you being affected as a small businessman?It is difficult
0:37:40 > 0:37:46to find the staff now to work. It's very difficult to, as Naomi said, it
0:37:46 > 0:37:51is very, very difficult in many, it's...I want to get more reaction
0:37:51 > 0:37:56from you.You say it's difficult to get staff now.Before we get into
0:37:56 > 0:38:01that. I want to get reaction to the fact that the Government have
0:38:01 > 0:38:05confirmed they haven't done the sector by sector assessments.We
0:38:05 > 0:38:10need to know what is going on. Particularly if we end up crashing
0:38:10 > 0:38:15out of the EU which will be a nightmare scenario if we are honest
0:38:15 > 0:38:20with each for the economy.What David Davis seemed to be saying is,
0:38:20 > 0:38:23there is so many different options, you know, there is walking away
0:38:23 > 0:38:27without a deal, there is the various things that have been discussed,
0:38:27 > 0:38:32there is no point doing a sector by sector assessment because it
0:38:32 > 0:38:38wouldn't be accurate?He is being dishonest. There is a catalogue of
0:38:38 > 0:38:45quotes which Hilary Benn was referring to which has Mr Davis and
0:38:45 > 0:38:48other people talking about the assessments. I think they thought
0:38:48 > 0:38:53they wouldn't have to reveal them to the public and could big them up.
0:38:53 > 0:38:57They have done maybe some analysis of sector by sector, but not as a
0:38:57 > 0:39:00result of the Brexit on those sectors, but only on the current
0:39:00 > 0:39:05stages of those sectors in relation to how Brexit should be negotiated.
0:39:05 > 0:39:10You are a Remainor and you are a Conservative councillor, are you
0:39:10 > 0:39:14taken aback by that?Not at all.It is all right for the Government not
0:39:14 > 0:39:24to do their homework?I think thilry Ben is trying to score political
0:39:24 > 0:39:34points here. -- Hilary Benn.First there were 50 assessments and 58 and
0:39:34 > 0:39:38now he is disputing the definition of an impact assessment. Do you
0:39:38 > 0:39:42think he is being honest in the presentation of what analysis he has
0:39:42 > 0:39:46done?I think he is being honest. This is a fast-moving negotiation.
0:39:46 > 0:39:50One of the most complex ever. Businesses are doing their own work
0:39:50 > 0:39:52and I'm sure providing information in and out of government all the
0:39:52 > 0:39:57time. The Government can help use it to support...We saw the House
0:39:57 > 0:40:00Builders' Federation say yesterday we have a housing crisis and unless
0:40:00 > 0:40:05we get certainty for the EU brick layers and plasterers and plumbers
0:40:05 > 0:40:11we won't be able to build all the homes we need.I find it quite,
0:40:11 > 0:40:20almost amusing that we heard from Liam Fox earlier in this year or
0:40:20 > 0:40:24last year, that these negotiations would be the simplest and we see
0:40:24 > 0:40:27this from David Davis. As a Labour Party member, this is not the
0:40:27 > 0:40:32strength and stability we were promised.Some messages from people
0:40:32 > 0:40:37watching around the country. David e-mails, "For crying out loud. Just
0:40:37 > 0:40:46call the whole thing off. This is too difficult." Sue David Davis lied
0:40:46 > 0:40:54to the EU exit committee." Thomas tweets this, "I am not sure I'm
0:40:54 > 0:40:58surprised at all that. That the fact that David Davis is telling a Select
0:40:58 > 0:41:02Committee that the Government hasn't under taken any sector by sector
0:41:02 > 0:41:07Brexit impact reports. It is entirely consistent with the
0:41:07 > 0:41:09shambolic trajectory of the Conservatives."
0:41:09 > 0:41:14You said you had changed your mind. You were a Remainor. You are very,
0:41:14 > 0:41:17you are looking forward to leaving. I am.Anyone else changed their
0:41:17 > 0:41:25mind?I was a Leaver, but I would be more for Remain now.If there was
0:41:25 > 0:41:30another vote?Yes.I supported a campaign for the Remain campaign and
0:41:30 > 0:41:33we have seen the fantastic opportunities that are opening up
0:41:33 > 0:41:36since we have been negotiating Brexit and we haven't left yet.
0:41:36 > 0:41:41There are opportunities. I was in... Do you acknowledge for a lot of
0:41:41 > 0:41:47people costs have gone up?I was in Malaysia only a couple of weeks
0:41:47 > 0:41:51ago...Because of the falling value of the pound.We have had imports
0:41:51 > 0:41:55substitution. Look at your shopping basket and that has not changed in
0:41:55 > 0:42:02any significant way since because... Based on inflation, not on the
0:42:02 > 0:42:07falling value of the pound.This the short-term, in the long-term.This
0:42:07 > 0:42:12is all about opening us up to the world so. I went overseas to ma qlas
0:42:12 > 0:42:23where I was talking to people in calla lump pa. It is easier to do
0:42:23 > 0:42:32business with them because we share languages and systems.They are
0:42:32 > 0:42:42investing in Battersea. Guess what? Sorry your holiday was interrupted.
0:42:42 > 0:42:46Does anybody here want another referendum to check the will of the
0:42:46 > 0:42:53British people is the same as the one?Definitely, yes.You want
0:42:53 > 0:42:58another one.Please.There is no need for another referendum. It
0:42:58 > 0:43:02should be acknowledged twice British people were asked what they wanted
0:43:02 > 0:43:06to do with Europe and the first time they said they were not sure. The
0:43:06 > 0:43:11second time was a hung parliament. So, I think it's quite clear that
0:43:11 > 0:43:19there is no big kind of decision... OK. I'm going to stop it there.
0:43:19 > 0:43:24We're not going to re-run the old arguments. Thank you. Thank you.
0:43:24 > 0:43:29Thank you. Thank you very much. Your views
0:43:29 > 0:43:32welcome. Keep them coming this. There are a lot of messages. I'll
0:43:32 > 0:43:38try and read some more before the end of the programme.
0:43:39 > 0:43:41This morning calls for a new way of working with young offenders
0:43:41 > 0:43:45to cut levels of reoffending.
0:43:45 > 0:43:47Her Majesty's Inspector of Probation, Dame Glenys Stacey,
0:43:47 > 0:43:50tells this programme she wants to see something called the trauma
0:43:50 > 0:43:56informed approach rolled out across England and Wales.
0:43:56 > 0:43:57That approach means building a relationship
0:43:57 > 0:44:01with offenders between the ages of 10 to 18 and working out what has
0:44:01 > 0:44:05led to their offending before asking them to change their behaviour.
0:44:05 > 0:44:06Sounds like hug-a-hoodie, you might think.
0:44:06 > 0:44:09Our reporter Dan Clark-Neal was exclusively invited along
0:44:09 > 0:44:12with Dame Glenys when she went to see a Youth Offending Team
0:44:12 > 0:44:15in Nottingham who are spearheading this new approach in action.
0:44:15 > 0:44:21Have a watch of the report and tell us what you think.
0:44:24 > 0:44:27Nottingham.
0:44:27 > 0:44:31It's here that the county's youth offending team are trying to help
0:44:31 > 0:44:33young people stop criminal behaviour for good by working
0:44:33 > 0:44:36with them in a new way.
0:44:38 > 0:44:43Nearly 33,000, 10 to 18-year-olds were cautioned or sentenced
0:44:43 > 0:44:48for a crime between April 2015 and March 2016 in England and Wales.
0:44:48 > 0:44:53Of these, just over three in ten go on to reoffend within a year.
0:44:53 > 0:44:55But if we look at just those released from custody,
0:44:55 > 0:45:00that number goes up to nearly seven in ten.
0:45:00 > 0:45:05The number of young people caught breaking the law for the first time
0:45:05 > 0:45:07has dropped dramatically over the last decade, from over 100,000,
0:45:07 > 0:45:10to just over 18,000.
0:45:10 > 0:45:18But those who are committing crimes are doing so again and again.
0:45:18 > 0:45:20The Nottingham youth offending team are using something called
0:45:20 > 0:45:23a trauma informed approach, meaning the focus is on building
0:45:23 > 0:45:26a trusting relationship and helping these young people
0:45:26 > 0:45:28with their troubled backgrounds before asking them
0:45:28 > 0:45:31to change their behaviour.
0:45:31 > 0:45:35The woman who's in charge of keeping an eye on the services which work
0:45:35 > 0:45:38to help these young people has brought us here today to find out
0:45:38 > 0:45:42why she thinks this is the best way to break this cycle.
0:45:43 > 0:45:46It's about taking a step back and really thinking about this much
0:45:46 > 0:45:48more long-term and sometimes spending many months actually
0:45:48 > 0:45:50meeting with this young person to build that relationship before
0:45:50 > 0:45:54you start that more shaping activity.
0:45:54 > 0:45:56Often these young people have not had continuous,
0:45:56 > 0:45:58emotional relationships in their lives and it can make
0:45:58 > 0:46:08a very substantial difference.
0:46:11 > 0:46:13And Connor Sharman is someone who has felt the benefits
0:46:13 > 0:46:15of this new way of working.
0:46:15 > 0:46:18I was 14, I got caught in my car selling drugs, on heroin.
0:46:18 > 0:46:21I was in the wrong crowd and I just tried it.
0:46:21 > 0:46:23Before I knew it, I've got a habit.
0:46:23 > 0:46:25Youth offending teams work to help young people who are in trouble
0:46:25 > 0:46:27with the law to stop reoffending.
0:46:27 > 0:46:30They supervise ten to 18-year-olds who have been sentenced by a court,
0:46:30 > 0:46:33or who have come to the attention of the police because of their
0:46:33 > 0:46:35offending behaviour, but have not been charged
0:46:35 > 0:46:44and instead, dealt with out of court.
0:46:46 > 0:46:48Youth offending teams also work with young people who have
0:46:48 > 0:46:50not committed a crime, but are at risk of doing so.
0:46:50 > 0:46:53There are 152 of them in England and Wales.
0:46:53 > 0:46:55Youth offending teams are organised in different ways in each area,
0:46:55 > 0:46:58but all of them must have staff from local authority social care
0:46:58 > 0:47:00and education, the police, the National Probation Service
0:47:00 > 0:47:07and local health services.
0:47:07 > 0:47:09Dame Glenys Stacey is Chief Inspector of Probation.
0:47:09 > 0:47:11It's her job to report to government and services
0:47:11 > 0:47:13which work with all offenders, to prevent reoffending
0:47:13 > 0:47:14and protect the public.
0:47:14 > 0:47:17I'm very keen to know how you think you have been,
0:47:17 > 0:47:18what is it that works here?
0:47:18 > 0:47:20It's about building that relationship with them
0:47:20 > 0:47:30and recognising that it's probably going to be a gradual process.
0:47:31 > 0:47:33A lot of our young people haven't ever had their achievements
0:47:33 > 0:47:36celebrated and a lot of the time, their behaviour
0:47:36 > 0:47:36is attention seeking.
0:47:36 > 0:47:40I've had quite a lot of young people that can't actually accept praise
0:47:40 > 0:47:42and part of the work has been allowing them to actually accept
0:47:42 > 0:47:47compliments and it's OK to be proud of yourself.
0:47:47 > 0:47:50So a very small number of young people are sentenced to a spell
0:47:50 > 0:47:55in a youth offenders' institution, basically a prison for young people.
0:47:55 > 0:47:57When they do come out, the intensive work starts then really.
0:47:57 > 0:47:58So they're monitored quite closely.
0:47:58 > 0:48:01They'll have a timetable where they have a whole week's worth
0:48:01 > 0:48:03of programmes which they have to work towards.
0:48:03 > 0:48:06Obviously, if they're not wanting to, then we had to chase them
0:48:06 > 0:48:08and pick them up and try and make sure.
0:48:08 > 0:48:10So they are seen very regularly throughout the weeks
0:48:10 > 0:48:20for the first couple of months.
0:48:23 > 0:48:25We are very honest with young people about what information
0:48:25 > 0:48:26we may have to share.
0:48:26 > 0:48:30So if a young person came to us for say, a shop theft,
0:48:30 > 0:48:33but then disclosed they carry knives in the community, our work with them
0:48:33 > 0:48:36may change slightly because we have to look at kind of risk as well.
0:48:36 > 0:48:38Obviously, if they are in school, there's the risks there,
0:48:38 > 0:48:40so the staff are made aware of that.
0:48:40 > 0:48:47So it sounds like a really joined-up approach around this individual.
0:48:53 > 0:48:55Zoe's been working for the past decade as part of the Nottingham
0:48:55 > 0:48:58youth offending team and she's brought us along to meet
0:48:58 > 0:49:00Connor Sharman, who she first met four years ago.
0:49:00 > 0:49:10Zoe, you don't work with Connor any more, do you?
0:49:11 > 0:49:14No, my case with Connor closed in January of this year
0:49:14 > 0:49:16following his order being revoked in court on the grounds
0:49:16 > 0:49:17of good progress.
0:49:17 > 0:49:21We knew there was a lot of good in Connor that we wanted to unearth
0:49:21 > 0:49:24and everybody stuck at it and he's proved us all right.
0:49:24 > 0:49:26Here we are, four years, almost four years since he first
0:49:26 > 0:49:28came to us and he's working full-time and drug-free.
0:49:28 > 0:49:30Connor, tell me about how you came into contact
0:49:30 > 0:49:35with Zoe in the first place.
0:49:35 > 0:49:38I got put on the youth offending team, yeah, by the court.
0:49:38 > 0:49:40What was the lowest point for you in that four-year period?
0:49:40 > 0:49:44Probably being on heroin.
0:49:44 > 0:49:49But you are off that now, aren't you?
0:49:49 > 0:49:50Oh yeah, been off it ages.
0:49:50 > 0:49:52How long have you been working here?
0:49:52 > 0:49:55I think it is about six and a half months, seven months.
0:49:55 > 0:49:57I love it.
0:49:57 > 0:49:59I will stay with it now forever.
0:49:59 > 0:50:00Yeah? As long as he wants me anyway.
0:50:00 > 0:50:06Job for life? Yeah.
0:50:06 > 0:50:09How important was she for you over that four-year period?
0:50:09 > 0:50:11She's been really good and she stayed with me
0:50:11 > 0:50:12when she didn't have to, actually.
0:50:12 > 0:50:15She didn't have to do, yeah, she stayed with me.
0:50:15 > 0:50:18I caught up with Dame Glenys before she left to ask her about some
0:50:18 > 0:50:20of the things she'd heard from the team.
0:50:20 > 0:50:23Is there a danger that we are making excuses for offenders to go
0:50:23 > 0:50:25on and commit crime, because they've had trauma
0:50:25 > 0:50:32in their childhood that makes it OK?
0:50:32 > 0:50:33There's no excuse here, no excuse at all.
0:50:33 > 0:50:37I do ask you to think about what it is like to be a child
0:50:37 > 0:50:40that has never been loved and often that's the very child
0:50:40 > 0:50:42who struggles at school, who gets behind with schoolwork.
0:50:42 > 0:50:44Who was then bullied and then turns to a gang
0:50:44 > 0:50:45for some sense of belonging.
0:50:45 > 0:50:51We are not talking aboutexcusing crime here,
0:50:51 > 0:50:53we are talking about finding the best ways
0:50:53 > 0:50:55to turn these young people away from crime.
0:50:55 > 0:50:58Almost seven in ten will reoffend once they are released from custody,
0:50:58 > 0:51:00what is the issue there, why is that happening?
0:51:00 > 0:51:03Well, most young people who offend, thankfully don't get into custody.
0:51:03 > 0:51:06There's a lot of work done very early on as the person starts
0:51:06 > 0:51:08showing some behaviours that might be worrisome, to divert
0:51:08 > 0:51:09them from court.
0:51:09 > 0:51:13If a child or young person is getting to the stage
0:51:13 > 0:51:17where they are imprisoned,
0:51:17 > 0:51:22they are pretty unusual.
0:51:22 > 0:51:26If that individual is left with little help,
0:51:26 > 0:51:27no money to feed themselves
0:51:27 > 0:51:30and nothing to guarantee them a roof over their heads,
0:51:30 > 0:51:35they are very, very likely to reoffend.
0:51:35 > 0:51:39Over the four years that Zoe worked with Connor to help him stop taking
0:51:39 > 0:51:43and selling drugs and carrying a knife,
0:51:43 > 0:51:46he lost his grandmother
0:51:46 > 0:51:51and his girlfriend Rae broke her back in a motorbike accident.
0:51:51 > 0:51:56Do you remember the very first time that you met me?
0:51:56 > 0:52:00Not fully, I do kind of remember, when I was at the centre.
0:52:00 > 0:52:10I can remember in my head,
0:52:11 > 0:52:14trying to work out
0:52:14 > 0:52:16how to manage that conversation with you
0:52:16 > 0:52:18because you were under the influence of something.
0:52:18 > 0:52:21Why do you think you ended up in that place in the first
0:52:21 > 0:52:23instance, why do you think you started taking drugs?
0:52:23 > 0:52:25Just in with the wrong crowd at the time and then...
0:52:25 > 0:52:28But what led to that, what led to you being
0:52:28 > 0:52:29in with the wrong crowd?
0:52:29 > 0:52:31I didn't really have any friends my age.
0:52:31 > 0:52:33Give me some significant events that happened over the course
0:52:33 > 0:52:35of my involvement with you.
0:52:35 > 0:52:38Getting caught with a knife and four bags of weed and another knife.
0:52:38 > 0:52:39My grandma dying, taking heroin.
0:52:39 > 0:52:44Obviously Rae had that horrific motorbike accident and you gave up
0:52:44 > 0:52:48everything to care for her as well.
0:52:48 > 0:52:53When do you think that something clicked and you thought,
0:52:53 > 0:52:57"That's it, I've had enough,
0:52:57 > 0:52:59I'm definitely not going back there now"?
0:52:59 > 0:53:00Probably after Rae's crash.
0:53:00 > 0:53:03I thought, I'm never going to go back there again now.
0:53:03 > 0:53:06I don't know, something just clicked in my head
0:53:06 > 0:53:08that's not a life to live really, is it?
0:53:08 > 0:53:12And I have been a bit of a bad lad and a bit careless sometimes,
0:53:12 > 0:53:15but I'm really appreciative for everything you've done for me.
0:53:15 > 0:53:17I'll definitely stay in contact with you.
0:53:17 > 0:53:20I hope you do.
0:53:20 > 0:53:23I'm really proud, to see where you were and where you are now,
0:53:23 > 0:53:25I'm really proud of your commitment and determination.
0:53:25 > 0:53:31Thank you very much.
0:53:31 > 0:53:32If you work in youth offending,
0:53:32 > 0:53:35or you've been a victim of a crime by a youth offender,
0:53:35 > 0:53:37keen to hear your views on this.
0:53:37 > 0:53:46Do get in touch in all the usual ways.
0:53:46 > 0:53:49This e-mail is really interesting, but last, I spent all my teenage
0:53:49 > 0:53:54years in detention, or still common young offenders institution. Five
0:53:54 > 0:54:00years in prison after a shoot by cop attempt. Then my gender dysphoria
0:54:00 > 0:54:05was uncovered and I was offered help. I had tried to take my own
0:54:05 > 0:54:10life from the age of 14. None of this was investigated. I turned my
0:54:10 > 0:54:15life around and did not offend again, this was 40 years ago. -- 14.
0:54:19 > 0:54:24Looking at early intervention makes sense. And another tweet, everyone,
0:54:24 > 0:54:32young and old needs a purpose.
0:54:32 > 0:54:35Next this morning, it was a story that rocked the British
0:54:35 > 0:54:37establishment and ultimately bought down the government.
0:54:37 > 0:54:39# She loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah...
0:54:39 > 0:54:42It was the biggest scandal of the 1960s, and Christine Keeler
0:54:42 > 0:54:44was the teenager at its centre, who became one of the most
0:54:44 > 0:54:49recognisable faces of the time.
0:54:49 > 0:54:51John Profumo was the Minister for War.
0:54:51 > 0:54:52He and Christine Keeler had a brief affair.
0:54:52 > 0:54:55When challenged, he lied about it to the House of Commons
0:54:55 > 0:54:58and was forced to resign.
0:54:58 > 0:55:01It didn't help that Yevgeny Ivanov, a Russian spy,
0:55:01 > 0:55:02had also been seeing Christine Keeler,
0:55:02 > 0:55:10leading to claims of a security risk.
0:55:10 > 0:55:12Harold Macmillan's government was left reeling,
0:55:12 > 0:55:14but Christine always claimed she was a victim.
0:55:14 > 0:55:18I wish that at that time I had been older, so that I would have been
0:55:18 > 0:55:20able to have answered or spoke up for myself.
0:55:20 > 0:55:21And Stephen.
0:55:21 > 0:55:25But I was only a young girl.
0:55:25 > 0:55:29Stephen was Stephen Ward,
0:55:29 > 0:55:32an amateur artist and society osteopath
0:55:32 > 0:55:34with a string of celebrity clients
0:55:34 > 0:55:39and an attraction to beautiful women.
0:55:39 > 0:55:43He introduced Christine Keeler to Profumo,
0:55:43 > 0:55:45and later took his own life
0:55:45 > 0:55:47when charged with living off immoral earnings.
0:55:47 > 0:55:48She always denied being a prostitute.
0:55:48 > 0:55:49She left school at 15.
0:55:49 > 0:55:52Her childhood home had been a pair of converted railway carriages.
0:55:52 > 0:55:54She had a child at 17 who died days later,
0:55:54 > 0:55:57and then lived with Peter Rackman, a notorious slum landlord.
0:55:57 > 0:55:59Later a boyfriend was charged with assaulting her,
0:55:59 > 0:56:07and Christine Keeler lied in court.
0:56:07 > 0:56:08She was jailed for perjury.
0:56:08 > 0:56:10In the years that followed, she tried to reinvent herself.
0:56:10 > 0:56:20She wrote a column for the men's magazine Men Only.
0:56:22 > 0:56:24No, I don't agree with prostitution. By the bins.
0:56:24 > 0:56:27She lives here. She owns the shop around the corner.
0:56:27 > 0:56:29And there were three books one filmed as Scandal.
0:56:29 > 0:56:30I never felt better.
0:56:30 > 0:56:33I think that's just some press said that, but I never felt better.
0:56:33 > 0:56:35Maybe they were hoping I was, but not at all,
0:56:35 > 0:56:38I haven't felt bitter.
0:56:38 > 0:56:41I'm pleased that the truth can come out now, so that perhaps to stop
0:56:41 > 0:56:48all sorts of dreadful stories that were going to be made up.
0:56:48 > 0:56:51But she was often broke, and two marriages ended in divorce.
0:56:51 > 0:56:56She was 75 when she died.
0:56:56 > 0:56:58Her son told the BBC she was always a fighter,
0:56:58 > 0:57:08but sadly lost the final fight against a terrible lung disease.
0:57:12 > 0:57:14Christine Keeler never really recovered from the scandal.
0:57:14 > 0:57:16When her son announced her death he said she'd earned
0:57:16 > 0:57:19her place in history "but at a huge personal price."
0:57:19 > 0:57:22Let's find out more about her now by talking to Sandra Howard.
0:57:22 > 0:57:29She was a model in London and New York in the 60s,
0:57:29 > 0:57:31later writing a novel called Tell the Girl,
0:57:31 > 0:57:36drawing on her experiences.
0:57:36 > 0:57:40Many of our audience will be learning about Christine Keeler now,
0:57:40 > 0:57:45she was young, she was 19, still a teenager. She thought about this
0:57:45 > 0:57:50huge personal price, her son did, is that there are enough.I think it
0:57:50 > 0:57:56is, when you are that age, and you have people in high places, powerful
0:57:56 > 0:58:01positions, you get swept up in it, glamorous, attractive, people are
0:58:01 > 0:58:08influencing you. You can sort of understand, really, where she got
0:58:08 > 0:58:12too, where she was.She had said, if she had been older, perhaps she
0:58:12 > 0:58:16would have been able to deal with it a little bit better, what was it
0:58:16 > 0:58:24like, in then, in those circles? Well, it was a creative time, the
0:58:24 > 0:58:301960s, an explosion of new talent. And new freedoms. The pill, all
0:58:30 > 0:58:36sorts of new freedoms. There was a lot going on. Women were treated
0:58:36 > 0:58:44differently... They were treated as playthings. You can take people to
0:58:44 > 0:58:49court, you can do a lot more, you are more protected as a woman. But
0:58:49 > 0:58:54back then, you were on your own and had to look after yourself.And if
0:58:54 > 0:59:01you could not, you are taken advantage of.Yes, by those who did
0:59:01 > 0:59:05not have principles, but if you were young, it was easy to see how it
0:59:05 > 0:59:11happened. Very sad.She did not seem... She said there... She was
0:59:11 > 0:59:16not bitter about it, was she, but it did define her life, she could never
0:59:16 > 0:59:22escape it.So much pub is a too. Somebody lied in Parliament. -- so
0:59:22 > 0:59:29much publicity. He did a huge amount for charity for the rest of his life
0:59:29 > 0:59:32but he had made a big mistake, he had to pay the price... That
0:59:32 > 0:59:38heightened the interest in the case and in Christine Keeler, the people
0:59:38 > 0:59:44she had had her relationship with, they were power. White if that
0:59:44 > 0:59:53scandal happened now, would it be treated differently?
0:59:53 > 0:59:56-- if that scandal happened now, would it be
0:59:56 > 0:59:57treated differently?
0:59:57 > 1:00:05A lie in Parliament would still be a huge scandal, but I think... I think
1:00:05 > 1:00:10it would still get publicity.It is the line, it is the line that is the
1:00:10 > 1:00:20thing...And a suicide, all sorts of things that caused it to become a
1:00:20 > 1:00:24great sort of drama and scandal, it was a scandal, and it was a time
1:00:24 > 1:00:32when there was more stigma, more scandals, as well, even.We are used
1:00:32 > 1:00:38to scandals now(!) potentially immune to them.Sadly, yes.Thank
1:00:38 > 1:00:40you very much for joining us.
1:00:43 > 1:00:47We will bring you the latest news and sport in a moment, before that,
1:00:47 > 1:00:48the weather forecast.
1:00:54 > 1:00:58Bottom There is a lot going on with the weather. For the next 24 hours,
1:00:58 > 1:01:03it is all about Storm Caroline, but it will turn much colder with the
1:01:03 > 1:01:07risk of some snow and also ice. For the rest of today, we will continue
1:01:07 > 1:01:09to see some rain moving its way through Northern Ireland and into
1:01:09 > 1:01:13the west of Scotland in particular. Later on, north Wention, Wales and
1:01:13 > 1:01:17the south-west. Towards the eastern areas, it is likely to stay dry. A
1:01:17 > 1:01:21few bright spells here and there. Maximum temperatures ten or 12
1:01:21 > 1:01:25Celsius. The winds picking up all the while. Gales expected around the
1:01:25 > 1:01:28Irish Sea coasts and Western Scotland. Severe gales by the end of
1:01:28 > 1:01:32the night. Rain continuing to spread its way further south and eastward
1:01:32 > 1:01:35throughout the United Kingdom. But it's Thursday when Storm Caroline
1:01:35 > 1:01:40which is situated to the north will give gusts. Of of wind up to 80mph
1:01:40 > 1:01:44in northern parts of Scotland. That's likely to cause damage and
1:01:44 > 1:01:49destruction. Clearer skies for many of us, but with it showers and
1:01:49 > 1:01:53turning colder with the risk of snow in Scotland, Northern Ireland,
1:01:53 > 1:01:57north-west England and North Wales. There is a lot going on.
1:01:59 > 1:02:07Hello.
1:02:07 > 1:02:08It's Wednesday, it's 10.02am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire.
1:02:08 > 1:02:12Our top story today - a man is due to appear in court over
1:02:12 > 1:02:14an alleged plot to kill the Prime Minister, Theresa May.
1:02:14 > 1:02:16We'll get the latest from court.
1:02:16 > 1:02:18Will addressing the causes of what drives young people
1:02:18 > 1:02:20to commit crimes help cut youth offending rates?
1:02:20 > 1:02:22The Chief Inspector of Probation tells us why she's
1:02:22 > 1:02:23in favour of this approach.
1:02:23 > 1:02:26I do ask you to think about what it's like to be a child
1:02:26 > 1:02:28that has never been loved.
1:02:28 > 1:02:31And often that's the very child that struggles at school,
1:02:31 > 1:02:34who gets behind with schoolwork, who is then bullied and then
1:02:34 > 1:02:44turns to a gang for some sense of belonging.
1:02:44 > 1:02:48We will talk to people who have been through the programme and how it has
1:02:48 > 1:02:53helped turn their life around. If you have been a victim of crime by a
1:02:53 > 1:02:57youth offender or you were an offender in your youth, let me know
1:02:57 > 1:03:03your views on this approach.
1:03:03 > 1:03:05Russia won't be competing at next year's Winter Olympics
1:03:05 > 1:03:07in South Korea although some of its athletes can
1:03:07 > 1:03:10under the Olympic flag.
1:03:10 > 1:03:13We will get reaction from British athletes who are celebrating the
1:03:13 > 1:03:15news.
1:03:15 > 1:03:16Good morning.
1:03:16 > 1:03:19Here's Ben Brown in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.
1:03:19 > 1:03:23A man is expected to appear in court shortly over an alleged plot
1:03:23 > 1:03:25to kill the Prime Minister, Theresa May.
1:03:25 > 1:03:27The BBC understands Naa'imur Zakariyah Rahman,
1:03:27 > 1:03:3720, from north London, is accused of planning to bomb
1:03:39 > 1:03:40the Prime Minister with a knife.
1:03:40 > 1:03:42He is due to appear at Westminster Magistrates'
1:03:42 > 1:03:43Court, in central London.
1:03:43 > 1:03:48A second man will be charged with a terrorism offence.
1:03:48 > 1:03:51The Brexit Secretary, David Davis, has admitted for the first time
1:03:51 > 1:03:53that the Government has not carried out any formal assessments
1:03:53 > 1:03:56of the impact of leaving the EU on sectors of the UK economy.
1:03:56 > 1:03:59The admission came in the last half hour, during questioning
1:03:59 > 1:04:03by the committee of MPs looking at the UK's exit from the EU.
1:04:03 > 1:04:07So the Government hasn't undertaken any impact assessments
1:04:07 > 1:04:09on implications of leaving the EU for different sectors
1:04:09 > 1:04:12of the British economy.
1:04:12 > 1:04:16So there isn't one, for example, on the automotive sector?
1:04:16 > 1:04:17On the?
1:04:17 > 1:04:18Automotive sector.
1:04:18 > 1:04:20No, not that I'm aware of, no.
1:04:20 > 1:04:21Is there one on aerospace?
1:04:21 > 1:04:22Not that I'm aware of.
1:04:22 > 1:04:23No.
1:04:23 > 1:04:24One on financial services?
1:04:24 > 1:04:27I think the answer is going to be no to all of them.
1:04:27 > 1:04:28No to all of them?
1:04:28 > 1:04:30Right.
1:04:30 > 1:04:34Norman Smith has been explaining why the Government had not conducted
1:04:34 > 1:04:38these assessments?His argument seems to be they have got so much to
1:04:38 > 1:04:42do with Brexit, it will be a waste of their resources to start
1:04:42 > 1:04:45compiling these reports and secondly what they are trying to do is get
1:04:45 > 1:04:49some huge over arching trade deal so they don't want to get bogged down
1:04:49 > 1:04:54in individual areas. However, I guarantee you there will be plenty
1:04:54 > 1:04:58of Brexit critics who will say this just goes to show the Government
1:04:58 > 1:05:07hasn't got a clue of what it is doing.
1:05:07 > 1:05:10So I suspect there will be a right old row about this.
1:05:10 > 1:05:12Norman Smith there.
1:05:12 > 1:05:15The White House says President Trump is to break with decades of American
1:05:15 > 1:05:17policy in the Middle East and recognise Jerusalem
1:05:17 > 1:05:18as the capital of Israel.
1:05:18 > 1:05:21He's also due to begin the process of moving the US embassy
1:05:21 > 1:05:24to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv, though that may take several years.
1:05:24 > 1:05:29Arab leaders have warned it would be "a flagrant provocation to Muslims".
1:05:31 > 1:05:34The family of an 81-year-old woman has received a £45,000 pay-out
1:05:34 > 1:05:36after she was kept alive against her will.
1:05:36 > 1:05:41Brenda Grant made a living will stating she feared degradation
1:05:41 > 1:05:43and indignity more than death after seeing her mum lose
1:05:43 > 1:05:49independence through dementia.
1:05:49 > 1:05:54But the George Eliot hospital, in Nuneaton, Warwickshire,
1:05:54 > 1:05:56misplaced the document and she was artificially
1:05:56 > 1:06:05fed for 22 months.
1:06:05 > 1:06:09That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.30am.
1:06:09 > 1:06:14Thank you for your comments. Laura says, "I have been a youth offending
1:06:14 > 1:06:19officer previously. I work in probation. In my view the pull of
1:06:19 > 1:06:23gangs and what they appear to offer people is often too strong to
1:06:23 > 1:06:27compete with. They offer young people money, a sense of power, a
1:06:27 > 1:06:32sense of independence and also a sense of belonging and identity."
1:06:32 > 1:06:40Another viewer says, "I spent most of my work working with young
1:06:40 > 1:06:43offenders. Caused by many circumstances in their young lives
1:06:43 > 1:06:47and staying with them right through until adulthood. If you don't value
1:06:47 > 1:06:52yourself and if you don't feel valued consequences of what you do
1:06:52 > 1:06:54are not important." Thank you for those.
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1:07:01 > 1:07:03Here's some sport now with Hugh.
1:07:03 > 1:07:06England are facing a near impossible job to retain the Ashes after
1:07:06 > 1:07:11another defeat put them 2-0 with three to play in the series. It took
1:07:11 > 1:07:15about an hour and 45 minutes for England's six remaining batsmen to
1:07:15 > 1:07:18go down in Adelaide. Chris Woakes was out with a second ball of the
1:07:18 > 1:07:22day before captain Joe Root followed without adding to his overnight
1:07:22 > 1:07:28score. The wickets kept tumbling as well. Jonny Bairstow the last man to
1:07:28 > 1:07:34go. England all out for 233. The Australians win the second Test in
1:07:34 > 1:07:40Adelaide by 120 runs. The way we went about the second
1:07:40 > 1:07:43innings has proved to everyone really that we're still massively in
1:07:43 > 1:07:49this series. I think it's as simple as that. We've shown that throughout
1:07:49 > 1:07:54the two games with periods that we can outperform Australia, but just
1:07:54 > 1:07:58not for five days and that's going to be our challenge really. If we
1:07:58 > 1:08:03get that right, and we can perform to our ability for longer periods of
1:08:03 > 1:08:06time then we will win games. Simple as that.
1:08:06 > 1:08:11This morning coming to the game I thought, you know, if we get one or
1:08:11 > 1:08:16two wickets before the new ball only 18 overs, 180 runs was a lot of
1:08:16 > 1:08:23runs. It was pleasing that Josh was able to come out and do what he did
1:08:23 > 1:08:27this morning. I thought his leng was exceptional and to get the wicket of
1:08:27 > 1:08:33Root really put us in a good position and you know I can breathe
1:08:33 > 1:08:38easily.Australia breathing very easy. They have made one change to
1:08:38 > 1:08:46their squad for the Perth Test which starts next. England will look at
1:08:46 > 1:08:49their options, but the former opening batsman Jeffrey boycott says
1:08:49 > 1:08:54they have no chance of getting back into the series.We have been beaten
1:08:54 > 1:08:58comfortably in the end. Our hopes are raised every now and again. We
1:08:58 > 1:09:01had two moments in Brisbane when we could have grabbed the initiative,
1:09:01 > 1:09:04but we weren't good enough to do it. We have had a moment here. We have
1:09:04 > 1:09:09been up a bit and maybe, but when it comes to the tough moments, they're
1:09:09 > 1:09:14better than us. There could be tough moments ahead
1:09:14 > 1:09:18for Chelsea. In the knock-out phases of the Champions League. They
1:09:18 > 1:09:24finished second in their groupment they were held to a 1-1 draw by
1:09:24 > 1:09:28Atletico Madrid at Stamford Bridge last night and they could face one
1:09:28 > 1:09:37of three teems teams in the last 16, two of those are Barcelona and Paris
1:09:37 > 1:09:41St Germain. Manchester United secured top spot in their group.
1:09:41 > 1:09:48They came from behind to beat spar particular Moscow. They trailed at
1:09:48 > 1:09:51the break before they pulled one back and Marcus Rashford hit the
1:09:51 > 1:09:57winner a minute later. Celtic will be going into the Europa
1:09:57 > 1:10:02League, despite a 1-0 home defeat last night. The manager said the
1:10:02 > 1:10:06club was realistic over its European chances, constantly working to
1:10:06 > 1:10:11bridge the gap to Europe's biggest clubs.
1:10:11 > 1:10:14That's all the sport for now, we will have more later on.
1:10:14 > 1:10:17Cheers.
1:10:17 > 1:10:20Russia has reacted angrily to the announcement by
1:10:20 > 1:10:25the International Olympic Committee that their athletes will be banned
1:10:25 > 1:10:26from the Winter Olympics next year.
1:10:26 > 1:10:29Although Russian athletes who can prove they are clean would be
1:10:29 > 1:10:31allowed to compete in South Korea under a neutral flag.
1:10:31 > 1:10:34It follows an investigation into allegations of state-sponsored
1:10:34 > 1:10:38doping at the 2014 Games hosted by Russia in Sochi.
1:10:43 > 1:10:45Russian athletes should be banned from all competitions including next
1:10:45 > 1:10:47year's Olympic Games until the country cleans
1:10:47 > 1:10:49up its act on drugs, according to a major report
1:10:49 > 1:10:50on doping in athletics.
1:10:50 > 1:10:53We have found cover-ups, we have found destruction of samples
1:10:53 > 1:10:54in the laboratories.
1:10:54 > 1:10:59We've found payments of money in order to conceal doping tests.
1:10:59 > 1:11:02I've asked the Russian athletics Federation to answer those
1:11:02 > 1:11:05allegations by the end of this week.
1:11:05 > 1:11:08We will look at a range of options, which includes sanctions.
1:11:08 > 1:11:11One of those sanctions could be the suspension of Russia?
1:11:11 > 1:11:18It could be the suspension of Russia.
1:11:18 > 1:11:21I fully back the calls to really say to them, you're not welcome.
1:11:21 > 1:11:24You're not welcome in sport until you put your house in order,
1:11:24 > 1:11:26until you make some real, fundamental changes.
1:11:26 > 1:11:29As a clean athlete, you do start to wonder how many medals you should
1:11:29 > 1:11:32have been awarded and all the things you've missed out on.
1:11:32 > 1:11:34Everybody seemed to have been involved, from the athletes
1:11:34 > 1:11:36themselves seemingly up to a government level.
1:11:36 > 1:11:39It's a very shocking day for all of us in the sport.
1:11:39 > 1:11:44We can speak now to the swimmer, Sharron Davies, who won silver medal
1:11:44 > 1:11:51at the 1980 Olympics in Moscow.
1:11:51 > 1:11:57Hopefully we will talk to swimmer Mark Foster.
1:11:57 > 1:11:59And David Walsh from the Sunday Times has investigated
1:11:59 > 1:12:01doping and spent time working with original whistle-blower,
1:12:01 > 1:12:11Vitaliy Stepanov.
1:12:11 > 1:12:17Your reaction Sharron Davis?Very pleased. I was disappointed for Rio.
1:12:17 > 1:12:21They landed it with the associations. Swimming was one of
1:12:21 > 1:12:24those associations that didn't decide to take the Russians out and
1:12:24 > 1:12:28many of our British swimmers lost medals to Russians that have twice
1:12:28 > 1:12:36been positive on drugs test.David Walsh,I would echo Sharron's
1:12:36 > 1:12:40comments. I am pleased that Russia are out. It delivers a message to
1:12:40 > 1:12:44Russia that President Putin never expected to get. It's a huge
1:12:44 > 1:12:48embarrassment for Russia. It's a real difficulty with his kind of
1:12:48 > 1:12:51home constituency who will feel their boss has not delivered on
1:12:51 > 1:12:59this. I think it casts a cloud over the Fifa World Cup next year because
1:12:59 > 1:13:06the head of that World Cup has got a ban. He is a former Sports Minister
1:13:06 > 1:13:11in Russia. He is the current Deputy Prime Minister and he has got a
1:13:11 > 1:13:13lifetime ban from the Olympic movement because they know that he
1:13:13 > 1:13:17was up to his neck in this.Let me ask you this on the World Cup
1:13:17 > 1:13:20question, how do we know that competition will be free from
1:13:20 > 1:13:28doping?Well, we don't is the honest answer, but what happened in Sochi
1:13:28 > 1:13:32three years ago, when Russia was hosting the Winter Olympics was
1:13:32 > 1:13:37doping on a scale and a level of organisation and a level of cynicism
1:13:37 > 1:13:42that really we hadn't seen before. This was worse than east Germany
1:13:42 > 1:13:47because they took the cheating into the actual Olympic anti-doping
1:13:47 > 1:13:54laboratory in Sochi. They secreted samples out of that laboratory into
1:13:54 > 1:14:00an adjoining room, substituted the urine in the samples given by the
1:14:00 > 1:14:06victorious athletes, put in clean urine and completely corrupted an
1:14:06 > 1:14:10entire Olympic Games. I mean Russia finished top of the medal table at
1:14:10 > 1:14:16Sochi and now they're not allowed to compete in Korea in the following
1:14:16 > 1:14:20Winter Olympics and they become the first country in the history of the
1:14:20 > 1:14:24Olympic movement to be banned from an Olympic Games.Which is, as you
1:14:24 > 1:14:29say, quite right. You welcome the news as does Sharron. Mark Foster.
1:14:29 > 1:14:33You have so many titles. You don't have an Olympic medal. Do you think
1:14:33 > 1:14:41you lost out because of cheats?I'll never know, I suppose. I was around
1:14:41 > 1:14:46in the late 80s when it was right for east Germany. I suppose naively
1:14:46 > 1:14:49I always thought it was a level playing field and everyone I was up
1:14:49 > 1:14:54against was doing the same as me and that was being clean. In the 2000s,
1:14:54 > 1:14:59they are doing it now and getting away with it and they were getting
1:14:59 > 1:15:05away with it, what were they doing then? I'm just pleased for everybody
1:15:05 > 1:15:10now a days that this has come up. This has happened and the IOC have
1:15:10 > 1:15:15taken a stand. It's something that needs to be done because there are
1:15:15 > 1:15:19athletes that do do it cleanly and should it should be a clean level
1:15:19 > 1:15:24playing field. It shouldn't be with about who can cheat and who can take
1:15:24 > 1:15:29advantage of everybody else.David Walsh said it was worse than what
1:15:29 > 1:15:33east Germany were doing. Do you think you lost out on medals because
1:15:33 > 1:15:39you were competing at the time a number of East Germans were?All of
1:15:39 > 1:15:43my silver and bronze medals were behind East Germans. Yes,
1:15:43 > 1:15:48absolutely. My main Olympic one was a silver behind one East German and
1:15:48 > 1:15:52we have the rlts of what she was taking and when she was taking it
1:15:52 > 1:15:55and she admitted it herself and the IOC have done nothing about that
1:15:55 > 1:15:59period whatsoever. It is frustrating. They often really shirk
1:15:59 > 1:16:02their responsibility with regards to drugs in sport and I think now they
1:16:02 > 1:16:05are being forced to do what they should have been doing for a long
1:16:05 > 1:16:09time. You have to understand also there are two groups of people here
1:16:09 > 1:16:11that the IOC should be looking after, clean athletes who are trying
1:16:11 > 1:16:15to compete on a level playing field, but the other athletes are the
1:16:15 > 1:16:19withins coerced into taking things and we don't know what long-term
1:16:19 > 1:16:24side-effects there are. The East German athletes had nasty drugs
1:16:24 > 1:16:28which affected their lives forever. Mark, do you accept there will
1:16:28 > 1:16:33always be cheats? Even with a deterrent like this from the IOC,
1:16:33 > 1:16:36there will be somebody who thinks the stakes are so high, it is worth
1:16:36 > 1:16:47cheating? worth cheating?I think that you are right, I don't want to
1:16:47 > 1:16:51drag it up, I am a great love of football, when I watch them falling
1:16:51 > 1:16:54over, trying to gain advantage through getting penalties, trying to
1:16:54 > 1:16:59get players sent off through cheating, feigning injury, it
1:16:59 > 1:17:02irritates me, cheating... Cheating is not OK, it is not about getting
1:17:02 > 1:17:09away with what you can get away with. Yeah, money, power, politics,
1:17:09 > 1:17:13of course, politics in sport should be put together... The athletes
1:17:13 > 1:17:17themselves, I think, try to do it to the best of their ability and the
1:17:17 > 1:17:22best person wins. You are right, if there is going to be money,
1:17:22 > 1:17:28financials, which they're generally is, then... And I do not always
1:17:28 > 1:17:33blamed those people in those teams who say, if you want to be part of
1:17:33 > 1:17:38this team, you have got to do this. I blame them, but I do not blame
1:17:38 > 1:17:41them, because they are naively thinking, this is what the rest of
1:17:41 > 1:17:44the world is doing, this is what they are told by their country, so
1:17:44 > 1:17:49they will get involved. Some of the Chinese athletes, they were told, if
1:17:49 > 1:17:53you want to be on the national team, you will be looked after, you will
1:17:53 > 1:17:56get a nice flat, your family will be looked after, why would they not do
1:17:56 > 1:18:03what is offered to them. This is the start of it. We start with this,
1:18:03 > 1:18:05banning Federation, huge move, hopefully the message will filter
1:18:05 > 1:18:14down that cheating is not acceptable.He spent time with the
1:18:14 > 1:18:16original whistle-blower, Vitali Stepanov, have you spoken with him,
1:18:16 > 1:18:22what does he think of this news?We were in contact last night, the
1:18:22 > 1:18:26Tully is very pleased, but there is a couple of points that should be
1:18:26 > 1:18:32made here, because this morning around the world, people are
1:18:32 > 1:18:37feeling, the Russians are terrible, so cynical, so corrupt, it is great
1:18:37 > 1:18:45that they have been banned by the end to lash -- banned by the
1:18:45 > 1:18:48International Olympic Committee. People should remember that the
1:18:48 > 1:18:56whistle-blower who first came out and risk his life to expose this was
1:18:56 > 1:19:02a Russian, and they had to flee Russia, they had to leave, they have
1:19:02 > 1:19:05never seen their family members, they are living in a strange country
1:19:05 > 1:19:11for them. Vitaly Stepanov And Yuliya Stepanova. What Russia did when they
1:19:11 > 1:19:16were exposed as a cheating country was to say, what we are doing is
1:19:16 > 1:19:24basically what everyone else is doing. And we were shown that our
1:19:24 > 1:19:30own athletes, British athletes, American athletes, German athletes,
1:19:30 > 1:19:32were using therapeutic use exemptions in very suspicious
1:19:32 > 1:19:38circumstances. And we were not whiter than white, I would liken it
1:19:38 > 1:19:42to... In some countries you have a straightforward corruption, in
1:19:42 > 1:19:47others, you have what I would call legal corruption, very unethical
1:19:47 > 1:19:54behaviour, that is considered legal. I don't want to go over the
1:19:54 > 1:19:56therapeutic usage exemptions but you know that they would all say they
1:19:56 > 1:20:01were playing by the rules, and until the rules change... Anyway, I am
1:20:01 > 1:20:11going to pause that there are, thank you, David, Mark.
1:20:11 > 1:20:14Sharon, Serena Williams is planning on entering
1:20:14 > 1:20:17the Australian Open in January, four months after giving birth.
1:20:17 > 1:20:21The great thing about swimming, it is a fantastic thing to do, and
1:20:21 > 1:20:29exercise to do while you are pregnant full. As a supreme athlete,
1:20:29 > 1:20:33I cannot imagine she would not want to get back into shape. But when you
1:20:33 > 1:20:38become a mother, priorities change a little bit, so, it becomes a
1:20:38 > 1:20:43different thing. I have no doubt she will still be an incredible champion
1:20:43 > 1:20:47but maybe her mind will be somewhere else.Thank you very much. Thank you
1:20:47 > 1:20:54very much for joining us.
1:20:54 > 1:20:56Still to come, how worried are you about debt over xmas?
1:20:56 > 1:20:59Our Personal Finance Correspondent is here to discuss new research that
1:20:59 > 1:21:03says money worries are on the rise.
1:21:03 > 1:21:06This morning we've been hearing calls for a new way of working
1:21:06 > 1:21:08with young offenders to cut levels of reoffending.
1:21:08 > 1:21:10Her Majesty's Inspector of Probation, Dame Glenys Stacey,
1:21:10 > 1:21:13tells this programme she wants to see something called the trauma
1:21:13 > 1:21:15infformed approach rolled out across England and Wales.
1:21:15 > 1:21:16In essence that approach means building a relationship
1:21:16 > 1:21:20with offenders between the ages of 10 to 18 and working out what has
1:21:20 > 1:21:28led to their offending before asking them to change their behaviour.
1:21:28 > 1:21:29Sounds like "hug-a-hoodie" you might think.
1:21:29 > 1:21:31Our reporter Dan Clark-Neal was exclusively invited along
1:21:31 > 1:21:34with Dame Glenys when she went to see a Youth Offending Team
1:21:34 > 1:21:37in Nottingham who are spearheading this new approach in action,
1:21:37 > 1:21:39we bought you his full film earlier.
1:21:39 > 1:21:45Here's a short extract.
1:22:13 > 1:22:16Zoe's been working for the past decade as part of the Nottingham
1:22:16 > 1:22:18youth offending team and she's brought us along to meet
1:22:18 > 1:22:20Connor Sharman, who she first met four years ago.
1:22:20 > 1:22:22Zoe, you don't work with Connor any more, do you?
1:22:22 > 1:22:25No, my case with Connor closed in January of this year
1:22:25 > 1:22:27following his order being revoked in court on the grounds
1:22:27 > 1:22:29of good progress.
1:22:29 > 1:22:32We knew there was a lot of good in Connor that we wanted to unearth
1:22:32 > 1:22:35and everybody stuck at it and he's proved us all right.
1:22:35 > 1:22:37Here we are, four years, almost four years since he first
1:22:37 > 1:22:40came to us and he's working full-time and drug-free.
1:22:40 > 1:22:42Connor, tell me about how you came into contact
1:22:42 > 1:22:43with Zoe in the first place.
1:22:43 > 1:22:46I got put on the youth offending team, yeah, by the court.
1:22:46 > 1:22:49What was the lowest point for you in that four-year period?
1:22:49 > 1:22:50Probably being on heroin.
1:22:50 > 1:22:52But you are off that now, aren't you?
1:22:52 > 1:22:53Oh yeah, been off it ages.
1:22:53 > 1:22:56How long have you been working here?
1:22:56 > 1:22:59I think it is about six and a half months, seven months.
1:22:59 > 1:23:00I love it.
1:23:00 > 1:23:02I will stay with it now for ever. Yeah?
1:23:02 > 1:23:04As long as he wants me anyway.
1:23:04 > 1:23:05Job for life? Yeah.
1:23:05 > 1:23:07How important was only for you over that four-year period?
1:23:07 > 1:23:09She's been really good and she stayed with me
1:23:09 > 1:23:11when she didn't have to, actually.
1:23:11 > 1:23:20She didn't have to do, yeah, she stayed with me.
1:23:20 > 1:23:24Over the four years that Zoe worked with Connor to help him stop taking
1:23:24 > 1:23:26and selling drugs and carrying a knife, he lost his grandmother
1:23:26 > 1:23:29and his girlfriend Rae broke her back in a motorbike accident.
1:23:29 > 1:23:32Do you remember the very first time that you met me?
1:23:32 > 1:23:35Not fully, I do kind of remember, when I was at the centre.
1:23:35 > 1:23:38I can remember in my head, trying to work out how
1:23:38 > 1:23:40to manage that conversation with you because you were under
1:23:40 > 1:23:41the influence of something.
1:23:41 > 1:23:44Why do you think you ended up in that place in the first
1:23:44 > 1:23:46instance, why do you think you started taking drugs?
1:23:46 > 1:23:49Just in with the wrong crowd at the time and then...
1:23:49 > 1:23:51But what led to that, what led to you being
1:23:51 > 1:23:57in with the wrong crowd?
1:23:57 > 1:23:59I didn't really have any friends my age.
1:23:59 > 1:24:01Give me some significant events that happened over the course
1:24:01 > 1:24:11of my involvement with you.
1:24:11 > 1:24:14Getting caught with a knife and four bags of weed and another knife.
1:24:14 > 1:24:21My grandma dying, taking heroin.
1:24:21 > 1:24:24Obviously Rae had that horrific motorbike accident and you gave up
1:24:24 > 1:24:26everything to care for her as well.
1:24:26 > 1:24:28When do you think that something clicked and you thought,
1:24:28 > 1:24:30that's it, I've had enough, I'm definitely not
1:24:30 > 1:24:31going back there now?
1:24:31 > 1:24:32Probably after Rae's crash.
1:24:32 > 1:24:35I thought, I'm never going to go back there again now.
1:24:35 > 1:24:37I don't know, something just clicked in my head
1:24:37 > 1:24:39that's not a life to live really, is it?
1:24:39 > 1:24:49And I have been a bit of a bad lad and a bit careless sometimes,
1:24:53 > 1:24:55but I'm really appreciative for everything you've done for me.
1:24:55 > 1:24:57I'll definitely stay in contact with you.
1:24:57 > 1:24:58I hope you do.
1:24:58 > 1:25:01I'm really proud, to see where you were and where you are now,
1:25:01 > 1:25:03I'm really proud of your commitment and determination.
1:25:03 > 1:25:08Thank you very much.
1:25:08 > 1:25:12Dan Clark-Neal reporting.
1:25:12 > 1:25:14Bob Neill is a Conservative MP and chair of the
1:25:14 > 1:25:15Justice Select Committee.
1:25:15 > 1:25:17Here from Trailblazers, a national charity that aims
1:25:17 > 1:25:20to reduce re-offending among young adult offenders by mentoring them
1:25:20 > 1:25:27in and then out of prison are chief executive John Shepherd.
1:25:28 > 1:25:32Mentor John Owen and mentee Barry O'Shea who has been in and out
1:25:32 > 1:25:34of prison many times since 2003, and is now working successfully
1:25:34 > 1:25:41as a personal trainer.
1:25:44 > 1:25:48That me put some figures to you, from what has happened in
1:25:48 > 1:25:51Nottinghamshire, they have seen a big drop in the number of youth
1:25:51 > 1:26:02reoffending, from 3309, in 2005, two 615 in 2015. What you think of that?
1:26:02 > 1:26:19-- to 615.Very powerful evidence. We found very distinctly that
1:26:19 > 1:26:24maturity goes on until about 25, there are problems with people's
1:26:24 > 1:26:30lives, a lack of resilience, that does require a distinct approach
1:26:30 > 1:26:33when you are dealing with young offenders in that situation but if
1:26:33 > 1:26:38you get it right as they are in Nottinghamshire, you get to a stage
1:26:38 > 1:26:41where people are capable of turning their lives around, it reinforces
1:26:41 > 1:26:46very strongly the evidence given to the committee last year.National
1:26:46 > 1:26:49figures put reoffending by all recent ex-prisoners as costing the
1:26:49 > 1:26:55economy between nine and £13 billion every year. When you take that into
1:26:55 > 1:27:00account as well... It makes you wonder, does it not, as a
1:27:00 > 1:27:03Conservative MP, what your government, in power since 2010,
1:27:03 > 1:27:08have not been investing.Governments of all parties have got to take
1:27:08 > 1:27:11account of that, this is an issue that has been talked about for the
1:27:11 > 1:27:15last 20 years or more.Why does no one want to put their money where
1:27:15 > 1:27:20their mouth is.One of the problems is it is too easy to fall into the
1:27:20 > 1:27:25populist line of saying, you know, in crude terms, lock them up and
1:27:25 > 1:27:29throw away the key, that is not exactly what happened, but there is
1:27:29 > 1:27:33an unwillingness to recognise that even when people do wrong and commit
1:27:33 > 1:27:37serious offences, nonetheless, particularly when they are young,
1:27:37 > 1:27:40with the right interventions and investment upfront as we have been
1:27:40 > 1:27:45talking about, it can turn their lives around. It makes sense in
1:27:45 > 1:27:50economic terms. Quite interestingly, other centre-right governments in
1:27:50 > 1:27:55Germany and Netherlands and some parts of the US have recognised that
1:27:55 > 1:28:01and our government will as well. John, and John, and Barry, really
1:28:01 > 1:28:11interesting in this relationship between mentors and mentallymentees.
1:28:11 > 1:28:16You use this with adult offenders, the Nottinghamshire scheme is for
1:28:16 > 1:28:26ten to 15-year-old, talk about how you helped Barry.Barry is my fourth
1:28:26 > 1:28:33mentee. I had been leading up to him in a way...Is he your favourite?
1:28:33 > 1:28:37LAUGHTER My longest relationship, we have
1:28:37 > 1:28:42been working together for 18 months. That is meeting every week, three
1:28:42 > 1:28:46months while he was in Wandsworth prison, for the rest of the time,
1:28:46 > 1:28:51since he has been released.What do you talk about in those meetings?
1:28:51 > 1:28:57Barry is the focus of those meetings, so he tends to lead, it is
1:28:57 > 1:29:02what he wants to talk about.Can we read create one of those meetings?
1:29:02 > 1:29:06You meet, one of your weekly meetings, 18 months, two years ago.
1:29:06 > 1:29:12-- recreate.Right at the beginning? When we are out of jail... Well, we
1:29:12 > 1:29:19often go to Nando's!LAUGHTER You have ordered whatever, would you
1:29:19 > 1:29:25have an alcoholic drink? Nonalcoholic.What would you say?We
1:29:25 > 1:29:29would begin discussing, what I have been doing. Am I hitting my goals,
1:29:29 > 1:29:34how work is going. If I am not feeling great, to keep pushing
1:29:34 > 1:29:41forward...What sort of goals?When we first met, back in... 18 months
1:29:41 > 1:29:46ago... We sent down every week and set up goals for me to hit, six
1:29:46 > 1:29:53months to a year, a sickly, get a job... Get back to doing things I
1:29:53 > 1:29:57enjoy... Get a diploma... Back into work... Discuss how things are
1:29:57 > 1:30:04going. When we had done the goals... We did a letter, 12 months later, I
1:30:04 > 1:30:10hit all of them, apart from one. It was good.Did you feel you were
1:30:10 > 1:30:14being listened to, were you being encouraged?More like support,
1:30:14 > 1:30:22really, without him being there... Support...Emotional support?
1:30:22 > 1:30:27Advice? If you want to get a diploma in that, apply there.Emotional
1:30:27 > 1:30:34and... Support in every way. If something is going bad... He made it
1:30:34 > 1:30:40better, he made the situation better. We have not... Every time I
1:30:40 > 1:30:43thought something was going to go back, he was able to help me
1:30:43 > 1:30:46understand how it was going to go good, and since then it has always
1:30:46 > 1:30:53worked out.Have you had the same success with previous mentees?
1:31:00 > 1:31:03Barry has been the longest relationship. I feel it is still an
1:31:03 > 1:31:08on going relationship.Let me ask John. Clearly you are doing this,
1:31:08 > 1:31:12with 18 to 25-year-olds, with what kind of success rate because that's
1:31:12 > 1:31:16what people always ask. I gave the figures for the Nottingham scheme,
1:31:16 > 1:31:21what about yourself?You advised about the extent of the repo fending
1:31:21 > 1:31:24problem that we have in this country and it is very significant. Our
1:31:24 > 1:31:30stats show people who have been through the Trail Blazers mentoring
1:31:30 > 1:31:33programme reoffend at 15% compared to the national rate. So we really
1:31:33 > 1:31:39do make a very, very significant impact. And the model that we work
1:31:39 > 1:31:43with, which is not dissimilar to some of the points of the Nottingham
1:31:43 > 1:31:49one, is it takes time to mentor a young man. You can't do it quickly.
1:31:49 > 1:31:52So our programmes typically start six months before release. Weekly
1:31:52 > 1:31:58sessions. It takes a while for a relationship to form for trust to be
1:31:58 > 1:32:05earnt and. Given and then you can build on that relationship and take
1:32:05 > 1:32:09people through what is a very significant transition from custody
1:32:09 > 1:32:16into the community afterwards. I would like to talk about this all
1:32:16 > 1:32:28day, but we can't. I really appreciate you coming in.
1:32:31 > 1:32:34Still to come, combating the problem of fake news -
1:32:34 > 1:32:37we'll take a look at a new BBC initiative to help young people
1:32:37 > 1:32:47filter out false information.
1:32:48 > 1:32:53Serena Williams is going back to work after giving birth a few months
1:32:53 > 1:32:54ago.
1:32:54 > 1:32:56Time for the latest news, here's Ben Brown.
1:32:56 > 1:32:59A man's expected to appear in court shortly over an alleged plot
1:32:59 > 1:33:01to kill the Prime Minister, Theresa May.
1:33:01 > 1:33:02The BBC understands Naa'imur Zakariyah Rahman,
1:33:02 > 1:33:0420, from north London, is accused of planning to bomb
1:33:04 > 1:33:07Downing Street security gates and then attack the Prime Minister
1:33:07 > 1:33:08with a knife.
1:33:08 > 1:33:13A second man will be charged with a terrorism offence.
1:33:13 > 1:33:20The Brexit Secretary David Davis has admitted for the first time
1:33:20 > 1:33:23that the government has not carried out any formal assessments
1:33:23 > 1:33:26of the impact of leaving the EU on sectors of the UK economy.
1:33:26 > 1:33:28The admission came earlier this morning, during questioning
1:33:28 > 1:33:31by the committee of MPs looking at the UK's exit from the EU.
1:33:31 > 1:33:33So the Government hasn't undertaken any impact assessments
1:33:33 > 1:33:35on implications of leaving the EU for different sectors
1:33:35 > 1:33:36of the British economy.
1:33:36 > 1:33:38So there isn't one, for example, on the automotive sector?
1:33:38 > 1:33:43On the?
1:33:43 > 1:33:44Automotive sector.
1:33:44 > 1:33:46No, not that I'm aware of, no.
1:33:46 > 1:33:48Is there one on aerospace?
1:33:48 > 1:33:49Not that I'm aware of.
1:33:49 > 1:33:52No. One on financial services?
1:33:52 > 1:33:55I think the answer is going to be no to all of them.
1:33:55 > 1:33:57No to all of them? Right.
1:33:57 > 1:34:00The White House says President Trump is to break with decades of American
1:34:00 > 1:34:02policy in the Middle East and recognise Jerusalem
1:34:02 > 1:34:03as the capital of Israel.
1:34:03 > 1:34:06He's also due to begin the process of moving the US embassy
1:34:06 > 1:34:10to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv, though that may take several years.
1:34:10 > 1:34:13Arab leaders have warned it would be "a flagrant
1:34:13 > 1:34:16provocation to Muslims".
1:34:17 > 1:34:20The family of an 81-year-old woman has received a £45,000 pay-out
1:34:20 > 1:34:22after she was kept alive against her will.
1:34:22 > 1:34:25Brenda Grant made a living will stating she feared degradation
1:34:25 > 1:34:27and indignity more than death after seeing her mum lose
1:34:27 > 1:34:33independence through dementia.
1:34:33 > 1:34:35But the George Eliot hospital, in Nuneaton, Warwickshire,
1:34:35 > 1:34:36misplaced the document and she was artificially
1:34:36 > 1:34:40fed for 22 months.
1:34:41 > 1:34:44Tens of thousands of people have been forced to flee from the path
1:34:44 > 1:34:45of wildfires in southern California.
1:34:45 > 1:34:48Hundreds of buildings have been destroyed by the blazes and several
1:34:48 > 1:34:50thousand homes are under mandatory evacuation in the cities
1:34:50 > 1:34:57of Ventura and Santa Paula, north of Los Angeles.
1:34:57 > 1:35:01That's a summary of the latest BBC News.
1:35:01 > 1:35:08Here's some sport now with Hugh.
1:35:08 > 1:35:11England lost all of their remaining 6 wickets in the opening session
1:35:11 > 1:35:14of the final day of the second Ashes Test in Adelaide.
1:35:14 > 1:35:20They were bowled out for 233 to collapse to a 120
1:35:20 > 1:35:22run defeat in Adelaide which puts Australia 2-0 ahead,
1:35:22 > 1:35:23just 1 win from regaining the Ashes.
1:35:23 > 1:35:26Chelsea missed out on top spot in their Champions League group
1:35:26 > 1:35:29after being held to a 1-1 draw by Atletico Madrid at
1:35:29 > 1:35:30Stamford Bridge last night.
1:35:30 > 1:35:33It means Antonio Conte's side could face the likes
1:35:33 > 1:35:36of Barcelona or Paris St Germain in the last 16.
1:35:36 > 1:35:41Manchester United did top their group,
1:35:41 > 1:35:44coming from behind for a 2-1 win over CSKA Moscow.
1:35:44 > 1:35:49Marcus Rashford got the winner.
1:35:49 > 1:35:50Scottish Champions Celtic were beaten 1-0 at
1:35:50 > 1:35:53home by Anderlecht.
1:35:53 > 1:35:57They did though hang on to 3rd in the group,
1:35:57 > 1:36:03meaning they will go into the Europa League,
1:36:03 > 1:36:06manager Brendan Rodgers said it gave him "immense pride".
1:36:06 > 1:36:08How worried are you about debt over Christmas?
1:36:08 > 1:36:13Are you struggling to afford it at all this year?
1:36:13 > 1:36:16This morning there are two separate reports out focussing on debt.
1:36:16 > 1:36:20Our correspondent Simon Gompertz can tell us more.
1:36:20 > 1:36:23Two big warnings from two of the debt charities who give free advice
1:36:23 > 1:36:27to people who get into trouble. The first is from some people called
1:36:27 > 1:36:30Step Change and they are warning about too many people being given
1:36:30 > 1:36:34overdrafts that they can't handle. And then getting stuck with the
1:36:34 > 1:36:38charges. They want action on that. The second from national debt line,
1:36:38 > 1:36:42you can phone them for help and they are worried about Christmas. They
1:36:42 > 1:36:46are warning that this Christmas, more people will be borrowing, going
1:36:46 > 1:36:51into the red to pay for Christmas. How much debt are we Brits inWhat
1:36:51 > 1:36:55national debt line is saying for Christmas, they have gone around
1:36:55 > 1:36:59asking people and 37% of the people that they asked have said that they
1:36:59 > 1:37:03are going to pay for presents on credit. So that's a big proportion
1:37:03 > 1:37:07and the obvious way of doing that is by using credit cards and you should
1:37:07 > 1:37:13expect during this month of December an extra £1 billion will go on
1:37:13 > 1:37:17credit cards to pay for Christmas and that all has to be paid back and
1:37:17 > 1:37:21there is an impact on this. They asked people how they felt about it
1:37:21 > 1:37:26and 14% said that they worried every day about the cost of Christmas. Why
1:37:26 > 1:37:30is it happening? It is happening because partly prices are going up
1:37:30 > 1:37:34and we know that inflation is 3% at the moment. That's the rate at which
1:37:34 > 1:37:38prices are increasing and it doesn't seem so much, but it is the highest
1:37:38 > 1:37:43for five years and the things we pay for at Christmas like food and
1:37:43 > 1:37:46electronic goods that we give people at presents, they have been rising
1:37:46 > 1:37:51fastest. It the cheapest Christmas meal is up 18% compared to last
1:37:51 > 1:37:56year. That's a big thing and we're told that the average family pays
1:37:56 > 1:38:01about £800 for Christmas. That's the food, the presents, travelling, all
1:38:01 > 1:38:04that thing. If you can think of that going up by a significant amount,
1:38:04 > 1:38:12it's a lot of money.Yes. It really is. OK. Happens then?Well, you
1:38:12 > 1:38:15know, there are going to be a lot more people in January and February
1:38:15 > 1:38:20asking for help. You can get that for free from Step Change, from
1:38:20 > 1:38:24national debt line and from Citizens Advice in your town. You can go and
1:38:24 > 1:38:27get free help if you're if trouble. The worry is people just going bust.
1:38:27 > 1:38:32It is not so much bankruptcy anymore, it is something called an
1:38:32 > 1:38:35individual voluntary arrangement where you get protection from your
1:38:35 > 1:38:38creditors and that's going up quite fast. If there is this debt pressure
1:38:38 > 1:38:41coming ot of the Christmas season then the danger is there will be
1:38:41 > 1:38:44more of that going on.Thank you very much, Simon. We will talk more
1:38:44 > 1:38:48about this in a moment. Let's go to Westminster. Breaking news, Norman.
1:38:48 > 1:38:53We now know that Theresa May and Arlene Foster are speaking on the
1:38:53 > 1:38:58blower right now! So there is at least a conversation going on
1:38:58 > 1:39:03although how far they have got to try and resolve this deadlock is
1:39:03 > 1:39:06pretty unclear because certainly overnight the signs were there was
1:39:06 > 1:39:09really not much movement from either side and this morning just talking
1:39:09 > 1:39:13to some of the DUP folk, they were saying, we are not going to rush. We
1:39:13 > 1:39:17are talking about something which could affect generations to come.
1:39:17 > 1:39:23It's going to take time. Suggesting that they dealt, not in the clocks,
1:39:23 > 1:39:27but in calendars when it came to time. When you put that together,
1:39:27 > 1:39:31that suggests there is some way to go before they get some agreement.
1:39:31 > 1:39:35However, on the plus side they are at least talking on the blower! And
1:39:35 > 1:39:39that must pave the way, I guess, Downing Street would hope, for
1:39:39 > 1:39:43face-to-face contact to try and resolve this impasse because without
1:39:43 > 1:39:47it, the danger is we run up against the EU council next week with no
1:39:47 > 1:39:51progress, no deal and then you are looking at the possibility of just
1:39:51 > 1:39:55falling out of the EU without any sort of deal at all.
1:39:55 > 1:39:59Thank you, Norman. The clock is ticking or the tick is clocking as I
1:39:59 > 1:40:05said the other week and you all knew what I meant!
1:40:05 > 1:40:08Let's talk to Callum Bell a mental health nurse
1:40:08 > 1:40:10who relies on his overdraft to support his family.
1:40:10 > 1:40:14Baz Deacon.
1:40:14 > 1:40:19He's preparing for his first debt-free Christmas in 13 years.
1:40:19 > 1:40:24And Jane Tulley is from the Money Advice Trust.
1:40:24 > 1:40:28Calum, this, one of the two reports out today suggesting that two
1:40:28 > 1:40:32million people in Britain are stuck in a constant cycle of persistent
1:40:32 > 1:40:38overdraft debt. Can you relate to that?Yeah, definitely. That's
1:40:38 > 1:40:42something I experienced probably, it seems to be, it seems to be
1:40:42 > 1:40:45increasing every month, I'm dipping a little bit more into my overdraft
1:40:45 > 1:40:50and that's just a regular time of year over Christmas time. It's even
1:40:50 > 1:40:55more difficult with the amount of pressure that people are under. I'm
1:40:55 > 1:40:58under to be able to afford Christmas. I'm concerned this month
1:40:58 > 1:41:03that I am going to be over my overdraft which means in January I
1:41:03 > 1:41:07will be starting the month in debt. How often would you say you worry
1:41:07 > 1:41:14about money?It's a regular concern of mine. I am not naturally a
1:41:14 > 1:41:18worrier, but I seem to be finding myself spending more time sitting
1:41:18 > 1:41:22looking at my finances, worrying about them, and I'm, I don't think
1:41:22 > 1:41:27I'm alone in this. I think there is large, it's a problem across the
1:41:27 > 1:41:31whole of the country where people are increasingly concerned about
1:41:31 > 1:41:37finances and debt. Let me bring in Baz. Describe to our
1:41:37 > 1:41:42audience what it's like when you're thousands of pounds in debt?Oh,
1:41:42 > 1:41:48well, so first of all there is the denial which is don't even notice I
1:41:48 > 1:41:53am lying. You have an area where you don't admit it to yourself. You put
1:41:53 > 1:41:58on a brave face for everyone. It then goes to stress which is the
1:41:58 > 1:42:02opposite of denial. When you start to panic and then the full blown
1:42:02 > 1:42:07fear of are they going to come round and knock on my door? Are they going
1:42:07 > 1:42:11to send me to prison because of the council tax? What is going to happen
1:42:11 > 1:42:17and I don't see a way out of this. All those emotions build up.Buff
1:42:17 > 1:42:20managed to chip away at your debt over eight years. How have you done
1:42:20 > 1:42:27it?Yeah. I joined up with an organisation called Christians
1:42:27 > 1:42:31Against Poverty. Somebody in my church was speaking about it and
1:42:31 > 1:42:34they were saying, you know, if you want to go on this money management
1:42:34 > 1:42:39course, let us know. I always had that thing of denial and pride. But
1:42:39 > 1:42:43I thought I'm going to have to do something. So I spoke to them and
1:42:43 > 1:42:48joined up on the course. And the first two things they said was what
1:42:48 > 1:42:55is said in this room, snais this room. And also, the more you put
1:42:55 > 1:42:59into this, the more you get out of it. Also if you need any additional
1:42:59 > 1:43:03support we can get you a support worker, it is just a phone call
1:43:03 > 1:43:08away.In practical terms, how did you do it?Oh, right. Addressed my
1:43:08 > 1:43:14issues. I also had this issue of putting unopened envelopes in a box.
1:43:14 > 1:43:20I had to get rid of that. I had to open up every single letter.You
1:43:20 > 1:43:23were buring your head in the sand, but then I have got to confront
1:43:23 > 1:43:31this?Exactly.May I bring in Jane from the Money Advice Trust. Your
1:43:31 > 1:43:35report says one in seven Britons worry about money every day. Is it
1:43:35 > 1:43:39surprising that it is only one in seven?I think a huge number of
1:43:39 > 1:43:44people worry about money on a regular basis. At Christmas there is
1:43:44 > 1:43:49this added pressure around it. Baz described the emotions that people
1:43:49 > 1:43:52go through when they are worried about money, the stress associated
1:43:52 > 1:43:56with it, the constant panic people feel.So advice to people now, we
1:43:56 > 1:44:00are 6th December, what is your advice now?It is not too late to
1:44:00 > 1:44:04start planning. Budgeting is key. It might sound like obvious advice, but
1:44:04 > 1:44:08a third don't have a budgets for their Christmas planning. So,
1:44:08 > 1:44:12setting a budget is key. Making sure that you know how much you're going
1:44:12 > 1:44:17to spend and trying to stick to that. Secondly, make sure you don't
1:44:17 > 1:44:22forget to pay any of your regular bills over the Christmas period.
1:44:22 > 1:44:25Very often people will let a bill slip over the Christmas period. It's
1:44:25 > 1:44:29important not to do that because you will have to pay those and then
1:44:29 > 1:44:31thirdly, really important to make sure that if you are using credit
1:44:31 > 1:44:35you have plan for how you go about repaying that and then take advice.
1:44:35 > 1:44:40That's always the key bit as Simon said. There is lots of free services
1:44:40 > 1:44:45available that will help people. Baz, thank you. Calum, thank you. We
1:44:45 > 1:44:53appreciate you coming on the programme.Thank you.
1:44:53 > 1:44:57Now, Serena Williams is expected to return to the court at the Australia
1:44:57 > 1:45:03Open after giving birth. The 36-year-old hasn't played since
1:45:03 > 1:45:12October. At the age of 40, and mum of two Jo Pavy became the oldest
1:45:12 > 1:45:17European champion after winning a medal months after giving birth to
1:45:17 > 1:45:22her daughter, Emily. Hi Jo. Tell me what you think about what Serena
1:45:22 > 1:45:30Williams is doing?
1:45:30 > 1:45:33Quarantine it is exciting, it doesn't mean she will necessarily
1:45:33 > 1:45:38compete, I know what it is like, returning from having a baby,
1:45:38 > 1:45:43sleepless nights, the newborn time is so precious, so I set myself a
1:45:43 > 1:45:47goal, competing in the trial to try to get in the athletics team for the
1:45:47 > 1:45:49championships at the time, no thoughts of medals whatsoever,
1:45:49 > 1:45:54having that goal, thinking, it is a flexible plan, the newborn time is
1:45:54 > 1:45:57so precious, training became so different on
1:45:57 > 1:46:09the way back, I was required to have a Caesarean. All the breast-feeding,
1:46:09 > 1:46:13my first stuff was like a family affair, little baby in the pram, my
1:46:13 > 1:46:21little boy was on the bike and of course, being on the treadmill, she
1:46:21 > 1:46:25would not take a bottle for the first five months. Times at the
1:46:25 > 1:46:29track I was doing were terrible but I thought, I don't want to put
1:46:29 > 1:46:30pressure on myself.
1:46:33 > 1:46:36Sounds like immense pressure that you are putting on your shelf, why
1:46:36 > 1:46:39not take off eight months!I did not even know if I could return to
1:46:39 > 1:46:43proper competitive running, but I was still enjoying it, I wanted to
1:46:43 > 1:46:48see if it could work for me as still having quality family time, that was
1:46:48 > 1:46:52the most important to me, and I found that a happy balance in my
1:46:52 > 1:46:58life, the joy of being a mother, that balance made me start to
1:46:58 > 1:46:59perform better, which was interesting, taking my family
1:46:59 > 1:47:03training full of a lot of considerations. Obviously, when you
1:47:03 > 1:47:08are pregnant, you keep a little bit of fitness, having to take so many
1:47:08 > 1:47:14precautions... The list is endless. Coming back from having a baby you
1:47:14 > 1:47:18have to bear in mind that ligaments are lax from the effects of
1:47:18 > 1:47:25hormones. I needed to wear a lot of crop tops, for breast-feeding... A
1:47:25 > 1:47:31lot of body changes... You inevitably put on weight, that is a
1:47:31 > 1:47:36healthy thing to do for a mother. But, yeah, it is quite soon. Serena
1:47:36 > 1:47:42Williams is such an amazing athlete, an amazing competitor. We will see
1:47:42 > 1:47:50how it goes. She is a great female role model to all women out there.
1:47:50 > 1:47:55Interesting return to sport, I wish her all the best, I'm sure she will
1:47:55 > 1:47:59take it carefully and she will see how it goes.Thank you very much for
1:47:59 > 1:48:03coming onto the programme.
1:48:16 > 1:48:18"Fake news" has been phrase of the year for 2017;
1:48:18 > 1:48:21thanks in part to President Trump, it's very quickly became
1:48:21 > 1:48:21part of our vocabulary.
1:48:21 > 1:48:24And it's used by some to describe not only outright lies,
1:48:24 > 1:48:26but also things people don't agree with.
1:48:26 > 1:48:28Fake news. Fake news. Fake news. Little bit of fake news.You fake
1:48:28 > 1:48:32news!If you want to discover the source of the division in our
1:48:32 > 1:48:40country, look no further than the fake news and the crooked media.
1:48:40 > 1:48:48Which would rather get ratings and clicks than tell the truth! I want
1:48:48 > 1:48:52you all to know that we are fighting the fake news. It is fake, phoney,
1:48:52 > 1:49:00fake! Mr President-elect... Not you, not you, your organisation is
1:49:00 > 1:49:06terrible! Your organisation is terrible...! Go ahead, quiet...
1:49:06 > 1:49:12She's asking a question, don't be rude. Don't be rude! Don't be rude.
1:49:12 > 1:49:24I'm not going to give you a question. You are fake news.
1:49:24 > 1:49:33The BBC is launching a new scheme to help young people identify real
1:49:33 > 1:49:35news and filter out fake or false information.
1:49:35 > 1:49:37But how much of a problem is fake news?
1:49:37 > 1:49:40And what effect is it having on the smartphone generation?
1:49:40 > 1:49:43Here to help us fund out are a group of pupils from Walworth Academy
1:49:43 > 1:49:46and Harefield Academy in London and Year 12 head Clementine Wade
1:49:46 > 1:49:49who'll be putting their knowledge of fake news to the test.
1:49:49 > 1:49:53I think we should start with a show of hands, how many of you who have
1:49:53 > 1:49:59shared a new story on social media, you found it funny or shocking and
1:49:59 > 1:50:06had no idea if it was true or not. Two of you did not share it, because
1:50:06 > 1:50:13you did not know if it was true. Well... Tell me why.Some of the
1:50:13 > 1:50:17news, I know it is fake, but I don't want to spread something that is not
1:50:17 > 1:50:23real. It might influence the way people judge others.I don't really
1:50:23 > 1:50:31use social media, I don't spread things around, unless it is
1:50:31 > 1:50:38something I fully believe is true and is something that is shocking...
1:50:38 > 1:50:44But if it is not something you would believe is true, then I don't see
1:50:44 > 1:50:49why it is worth spreading it around. For those of you who put your hands
1:50:49 > 1:50:53up, sharing something funny, hilarious, shocked you, did you care
1:50:53 > 1:50:59whether it was true or not, hands up if you did not care? Thank you for
1:50:59 > 1:51:06being honest.When you are in the moment, you don't really think, is
1:51:06 > 1:51:11this real, is this fake, you think, it is funny.From the human aspect,
1:51:11 > 1:51:16there is no matter of caring.You have taught lessons about fake
1:51:16 > 1:51:20media, fake news, talk us through the things you would discuss in
1:51:20 > 1:51:25class.Firstly it is about getting them to understand what fake news
1:51:25 > 1:51:28is, there is a sense of passive tea in my students, that they do not
1:51:28 > 1:51:33have questions over what they read is not true, it is assumed
1:51:33 > 1:51:36automatically that it is true, if they have a problem with their
1:51:36 > 1:51:39homework, they use Google. -- passivity. Straightforward
1:51:39 > 1:51:44assumption. First base, questioning what you are reading and where you
1:51:44 > 1:51:48are reading it from and who wrote it. Then we have lots of discussions
1:51:48 > 1:51:53over why it is fake news, why this website... Why they might be trying
1:51:53 > 1:51:57to get this idea out there. An interesting idea, maybe this new
1:51:57 > 1:52:04form of advertising. We have lots of discussion about Facebook, and these
1:52:04 > 1:52:07guys are being sold products continually based on social,
1:52:07 > 1:52:14friends, what they previously had Google. Trying to get them to be
1:52:14 > 1:52:17active consumers and criticising what they are consuming.Example,
1:52:17 > 1:52:23take them away.Right, ladies and gentlemen, are you ready. The first
1:52:23 > 1:52:27one we are going to be looking at, from the onion. Expose a about
1:52:27 > 1:52:32Hillary Clinton, that she is producing a second book explaining
1:52:32 > 1:52:37why her first book failed. -- The Onion. Can you put your hands up if
1:52:37 > 1:52:48you think this is true. Five, four, three, two, one... Is this true?
1:52:48 > 1:52:59Interesting... Chris, hit the Blue Bulls... Because you are correct, it
1:52:59 > 1:53:11is not true... -- hit the blue bars are -- buzzer. It is not true.This
1:53:11 > 1:53:14is a satirical website, why did you not think it was true?Does not
1:53:14 > 1:53:20sound worthy of headline, to be honest.Especially from what we have
1:53:20 > 1:53:25seen in the news, I don't think she would ruin what she has done so
1:53:25 > 1:53:41far...But you were a little bit unsure, some of you were unsure.
1:53:41 > 1:53:45Does not seem like a headline that would draw a lot of people in, not
1:53:45 > 1:53:49something people would be interested in full.Not punchy enough,
1:53:49 > 1:54:08interesting.The next one, the Daily Express...
1:54:15 > 1:54:29Is this true? Can we have a blue buzzer again. How did you know that?
1:54:29 > 1:54:33In spite of what has been happening this year, you are led to believe
1:54:33 > 1:54:40that this sort of stuff is quite normal, now. With the pipe bombs,
1:54:40 > 1:54:48and everything going on this year... Concerning Ryanair and stuff like
1:54:48 > 1:54:52this in general, mistakes have been made, for this to be happening, it
1:54:52 > 1:54:56is not really surprising, in a sense.Were you influenced by what
1:54:56 > 1:55:04Chris said, he said, I think it's true.I was unsure at the beginning,
1:55:04 > 1:55:11why would they let the passenger on if they knew... But then he did say,
1:55:11 > 1:55:17he did... Yeah...You are bang on. We will try to catch them out. This
1:55:17 > 1:55:22next article... About the Prime Minister of Canada, after hearing
1:55:22 > 1:55:26about President Trump, that he was going to take the presidency, he
1:55:26 > 1:55:30said he was going to build a wall between Canada and the USA, and he
1:55:30 > 1:55:36will charge that wall to the USA. Do you think this is a true headline or
1:55:36 > 1:55:48a full set line? -- or a false headline.If you think it is true,
1:55:48 > 1:55:57stick up your hand?It seems plausible... It seems relevant... It
1:55:57 > 1:56:03sounds like something you would hear in the news.If he is saying about
1:56:03 > 1:56:08getting back at the US, and trump says about building a wall, Trump
1:56:08 > 1:56:13could use it against him that he is copying his ideas... I don't think
1:56:13 > 1:56:19it is a true story. Because, if he is time to get back at the US, then
1:56:19 > 1:56:27he would, you know, he would not copy something Trump has said. That
1:56:27 > 1:56:33is something Trump could use against him.Do you understand... It sounds
1:56:33 > 1:56:41plausible. That is why lots of people share stuff, which they think
1:56:41 > 1:56:48might be true.You have to think of the bigger picture, because,
1:56:48 > 1:56:52personally, I thought, why would he get involved. I thought the wall was
1:56:52 > 1:57:01more to do with Mexico and the US. If you have that knowledge, if you
1:57:01 > 1:57:04second-guess the article...That is contemporary, this is backdated to
1:57:04 > 1:57:13the time of the election... Very good. Shall we do the final one.
1:57:13 > 1:57:16This is backdated, again about President Trump, a quota that he
1:57:16 > 1:57:29made in the 1980s. -- a quote that he made in the 1980s.
1:57:35 > 1:57:41Is that true or is that false?
1:57:49 > 1:57:55You are wrong, you have been fooled. Why did you think it was true?I
1:57:55 > 1:58:01thought it was true because it sounds true... It is just like the
1:58:01 > 1:58:07sort of thing that Donald Trump would say.Anyone else?The always
1:58:07 > 1:58:14talks about other people.We are almost at the end of the programme,
1:58:14 > 1:58:21I'm glad that we caught people out. The BBC launching that initiative.
1:58:21 > 1:58:26You can read more about it on the website.
1:58:26 > 1:58:29On the programme tomorrow, we will look at sexual harassment in the
1:58:29 > 1:58:32modelling industry. Have a good