0:00:07 > 0:00:10Hello.
0:00:10 > 0:00:12Good morning.
0:00:12 > 0:00:14It's Monday, it's nine o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,
0:00:14 > 0:00:15welcome to the programme.
0:00:15 > 0:00:17Our top story today - treacherous road conditions
0:00:17 > 0:00:20and hundreds of schools closed as snow turns to ice.
0:00:25 > 0:00:28Yes, at hasn't stopped, didn't stop snowing until the early hours here,
0:00:28 > 0:00:33we have had about eight centimetres. I'm in Worcester. But in other parts
0:00:33 > 0:00:37of the West Midlands, up to 20 centimetres, and temperatures are
0:00:37 > 0:00:40dropping, turning the snow to ice, so people are being warned to take
0:00:40 > 0:00:42care when they go out today.
0:00:42 > 0:00:45Wherever you are, how is the snow is affecting you.
0:00:45 > 0:00:46We'll get the latest from our correspondents
0:00:46 > 0:00:47right across the UK.
0:00:47 > 0:00:50Also on the programme: as the inquiry into the fire
0:00:50 > 0:00:52at Grenfell Tower gets under way today, we'll talk exclusively
0:00:52 > 0:00:55to the leader of the local council and ask her why so many survivors
0:00:55 > 0:00:57are still living in hotels.
0:00:57 > 0:01:02We lost lives, some people lost all their families.
0:01:03 > 0:01:08Nobody from the council has ever come and said get them all together,
0:01:08 > 0:01:14let's sympathise with them.
0:01:14 > 0:01:15We'll talk to Elizabeth Campbell, the Conservative leader
0:01:15 > 0:01:18of Kensington and Chelsea council, in the next hour.
0:01:18 > 0:01:22And two of the so-called Chennai Six tell this programme
0:01:22 > 0:01:24exclusively they feel betrayed by the British Government
0:01:24 > 0:01:30for failing to do enough to help secure their release.
0:01:38 > 0:01:43Hello.
0:01:43 > 0:01:45Good morning.
0:01:45 > 0:01:46Welcome to the programme.
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0:02:14 > 0:02:16Our top story today: Snow and freezing temperatures
0:02:16 > 0:02:19are still causing widespread disruption across parts of the UK.
0:02:19 > 0:02:21There have been train and plane cancellations, and drivers
0:02:21 > 0:02:23are being warned that icy conditions are making roads treacherous.
0:02:23 > 0:02:25Hundreds of schools across Wales and the Midlands will
0:02:25 > 0:02:27also be closed today.
0:02:27 > 0:02:32Simon Clemison reports.
0:02:32 > 0:02:40Our correspondents are in London, Worcester and North Wales. Simon
0:02:40 > 0:02:44Clegg the sun is at Heathrow. Good morning from a wet and
0:02:44 > 0:02:48miserable Heathrow, but the one thing that is missing, no snow. But
0:02:48 > 0:02:51there is still disruption, because of the knock-on effect of everything
0:02:51 > 0:03:00that happened yesterday. Runway is not such a problem, it was the
0:03:00 > 0:03:06de-icing of the planes. Quite a few flights of British Airways have been
0:03:06 > 0:03:09cancelled, both long haul and short-haul, so the advice is do not
0:03:09 > 0:03:13come here unless you have checked with your airline. Rail services
0:03:13 > 0:03:16disrupted as well, and the roads are the big problem today, because we
0:03:16 > 0:03:24saw temperatures last night going down to -11.6 in places, and what is
0:03:24 > 0:03:29happening there is that the snow melted a little yesterday, then
0:03:29 > 0:03:34refreezing, and that makes a very slippery surface. Let's go now to
0:03:34 > 0:03:37Phil Mackie in Worcestershire.
0:03:41 > 0:03:45There is a lot more snow here, eight centimetres in the city centre in
0:03:45 > 0:03:48Worcestershire, much more out in the countryside, in parts of
0:03:48 > 0:03:55Staffordshire, Shropshire, the Black Country. Up to 20 centimetres of
0:03:55 > 0:03:59lying snow, meaning hundreds of schools are closed, all of the
0:03:59 > 0:04:04schools in Birmingham, most in those other counties and beyond down into
0:04:04 > 0:04:08Oxfordshire and even Buckinghamshire, schools are closed.
0:04:08 > 0:04:12In terms of travel, public transport is running, people are being warned
0:04:12 > 0:04:15to check before they go and catch a train, but by and large things
0:04:15 > 0:04:19haven't been badly affected. Birmingham Airport much like
0:04:19 > 0:04:26Heathrow is dealing with the backlog created yesterday, trying to de-ice
0:04:26 > 0:04:30the planes. Temperatures are dropping, when I arrived it was
0:04:30 > 0:04:32above freezing and now it has dropped below, which is why people
0:04:32 > 0:04:37are saying be careful, the snow is turning to ice. Because so many
0:04:37 > 0:04:40schools are shut, it has had the impact of reducing the amount of
0:04:40 > 0:04:44traffic on the roads, things are running quite smoothly at the
0:04:44 > 0:04:48moment. Several hundred homes around Oxfordshire in particular are still
0:04:48 > 0:04:52without power, engineers are working to get that back on. A lot of
0:04:52 > 0:05:04children are having the day
0:05:10 > 0:05:13off, and I'm sure it will be a picture perfect day. The trouble is,
0:05:13 > 0:05:15the temperatures are not going to change much, and probably for the
0:05:15 > 0:05:18next 24 hours, things won't change much. Let's see what it is like now
0:05:18 > 0:05:20in North Wales with Matthew Richards. The snow has stopped, but
0:05:20 > 0:05:22temperatures have dropped considerably, and that has caused
0:05:22 > 0:05:25major disruption, hundreds of schools closed across Wales and
0:05:25 > 0:05:29hundreds of homes now without power. We had 33 centimetres of snow
0:05:29 > 0:05:34falling at Sennybridge in Powys in the Brecon Beacons yesterday, and
0:05:34 > 0:05:37this is the worst snow to hit parts of Wales the seven years. As well as
0:05:37 > 0:05:44the roads being difficult today, police in North Wales are using 4x4
0:05:44 > 0:05:48vehicles to transport NHS staff to and from hospitals to make sure
0:05:48 > 0:05:50patients can still get treatment and things are still running smoothly.
0:05:50 > 0:05:54The advice to anyone trying to venture out is don't do it unless
0:05:54 > 0:05:59you have to, and if you have to, make sure you are prepared to deal
0:05:59 > 0:06:01with any bad conditions with snow shovels and then also blankets to
0:06:01 > 0:06:05keep you warm and food and drink if you should be delayed any length of
0:06:05 > 0:06:12time. Thank you very much.
0:06:12 > 0:06:16Wherever you are in the UK, let us know how that snow is affecting you.
0:06:16 > 0:06:21Schools being close can be a pain for mums and dads, so do let us know
0:06:21 > 0:06:22how you are sorting that out.
0:06:22 > 0:06:24Annita is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary
0:06:24 > 0:06:27of the rest of the day's news.
0:06:27 > 0:06:28Thank you, Victoria. Good morning.
0:06:28 > 0:06:31The chairman of a leading hospital trust in London has resigned -
0:06:31 > 0:06:33accusing the government of failing to recognise the "enormous
0:06:33 > 0:06:35challenges" facing the NHS.
0:06:35 > 0:06:37Lord Kerslake, who's a former head of the civil service,
0:06:37 > 0:06:40said King's College Hospital Trust was struggling to cope with rising
0:06:40 > 0:06:41demand, increased costs and limits on spending.
0:06:41 > 0:06:43The regulator for England, NHS Improvement, said the trust's
0:06:43 > 0:06:45financial performance was "the worst in the NHS".
0:06:45 > 0:06:48A Department of Health spokeswoman said they were working
0:06:48 > 0:06:52with the trust to tackle the issues.
0:06:55 > 0:06:58Lord Coe slick told this programme that tough decisions need to be
0:06:58 > 0:07:04made.I don't think we are facing up to the choice is very well, and I
0:07:04 > 0:07:11really worry that in effect, what is going to happen here is the NHS we
0:07:11 > 0:07:19know and love will slowly but surely slip away from us?Because it is not
0:07:19 > 0:07:22getting enough money?Because it is not getting the sustained funding
0:07:22 > 0:07:32over time that it needs to perform. And you can hear Victoria's
0:07:32 > 0:07:35interview with Lord Kerslake in full at ten o'clock.
0:07:36 > 0:07:38Two days of hearings will begin later to establish the framework
0:07:38 > 0:07:40of the Grenfell Tower fire public inquiry.
0:07:40 > 0:07:43Sir Martin Moore-Bick is being urged by survivors of the fire to give
0:07:43 > 0:07:45them a more central role.
0:07:45 > 0:07:48It comes as Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn accused the Government
0:07:48 > 0:07:50of failing survivors, with more than 100 still living in hotels.
0:07:50 > 0:07:53Relatives of the victims say it's vital their stories are heard.
0:07:53 > 0:07:55And Victoria will be speaking exclusively to the leader
0:07:55 > 0:07:57of Kensington and Chelsea council, Elizabeth Campbell later this hour,
0:07:57 > 0:07:59at just after 9.30.
0:08:03 > 0:08:06Theresa May will tell MPs later today that there is a new sense
0:08:06 > 0:08:09of optimism in the Brexit talks, after her last-minute deal aimed
0:08:09 > 0:08:10at moving them to the next phase.
0:08:10 > 0:08:13She will say she expects EU leaders to agree to start talks
0:08:13 > 0:08:16about future trade and security at a summit on Thursday.
0:08:16 > 0:08:18The Prime Minister will insist she has not caved in to Brussels
0:08:18 > 0:08:21over the so-called divorce bill.
0:08:23 > 0:08:25The most destructive of the wildfires raging in southern
0:08:25 > 0:08:26California has expanded significantly, scorching an area
0:08:26 > 0:08:31larger than New York City.
0:08:31 > 0:08:344,000 firefighters have been called up to tackle flames which are now
0:08:34 > 0:08:36threatening the coastal city of Santa Barbara.
0:08:36 > 0:08:44Hundreds of buildings have been destroyed and damaged
0:08:44 > 0:08:46and 200,000 people have had to flee their homes.
0:08:46 > 0:08:49In a further sign of reform in Saudi Arabia, the government has
0:08:49 > 0:08:51announced that public cinemas will be allowed in the country
0:08:51 > 0:08:52from early next year.
0:08:52 > 0:08:54Cinema-going is currently very restricted in the
0:08:54 > 0:08:56ultra-conservative Islamic Kingdom.
0:08:56 > 0:08:59It's the latest in a number of reforms promoted
0:08:59 > 0:09:01by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, including the lifting
0:09:01 > 0:09:04of the ban on women drivers.
0:09:08 > 0:09:10The guitarist with the American rock band Queens of the Stone Age
0:09:10 > 0:09:13has apologised after a photographer was kicked in the head
0:09:13 > 0:09:14during a concert.
0:09:14 > 0:09:16The woman, Chelsea Lauren, posted a video on social media
0:09:16 > 0:09:20that appeared to show
0:09:20 > 0:09:23Josh Homme kicking her as she took pictures close to the stage,
0:09:23 > 0:09:28during a performance in California on Saturday night.
0:09:28 > 0:09:30He said he was lost in the performance and thought
0:09:30 > 0:09:32he was kicking over lighting on the stage.
0:09:34 > 0:09:37Georgia Toffolo has been named this year's winner of I'm a Celebrity...
0:09:37 > 0:09:38Get Me Out of Here.
0:09:38 > 0:09:40The reality star, who's best known for appearing
0:09:40 > 0:09:42on E4's Made in Chelsea, was crowned by Ant and Dec
0:09:42 > 0:09:45on Sunday night after more than nine million votes were cast.
0:09:45 > 0:09:47The former Hollyoaks star Jamie Lomas came in second place,
0:09:47 > 0:09:54with radio and TV presenter Iain Lee coming in third.
0:09:54 > 0:10:00And that's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30.
0:10:00 > 0:10:06Thank you very much. Good morning. If you are getting in touch with us,
0:10:06 > 0:10:15you are very welcome. In a moment we are going to speak to Billy Irving
0:10:15 > 0:10:20and his fiancee Yvonne, and Nick Dunn and his sister Lisa. They spent
0:10:20 > 0:10:25two and a half years in jail in India, and they are now back. One of
0:10:25 > 0:10:28the reasons they are released is because of the relentless
0:10:28 > 0:10:32campaigning by if an and Lisa, and we're going to talk to them all in
0:10:32 > 0:10:33just a moment.
0:10:33 > 0:10:35Let's get some sport with Jessica Creighton.
0:10:35 > 0:10:41Jess, you're reflecting on an eventful Manchester derby?
0:10:41 > 0:10:46Good morning. Eventful both on and off the pitch after Manchester
0:10:46 > 0:10:47city's victory over neighbours Manchester United yesterday. They
0:10:47 > 0:10:51have opened up an 11 point gap, but there were reports of an altercation
0:10:51 > 0:10:56between the camps after the match. Apparently, milk was thrown, and our
0:10:56 > 0:11:00reporter Simon Stone is with me. These teams have been playing each
0:11:00 > 0:11:04other for more than 100 years. The long rivalry has been well
0:11:04 > 0:11:07documented. But again, on the pitch tensions have spilled over, haven't
0:11:07 > 0:11:15they?It was a big game for both sides. And we knew about that in the
0:11:15 > 0:11:18build-up to the game. Manchester United were trying to close the gap,
0:11:18 > 0:11:20Manchester City were trying to get a win that everyone assumes will now
0:11:20 > 0:11:29window in the Premier League title. City won the Game 2-1. The
0:11:29 > 0:11:31Manchester United camp viewed the city celebrations as being over the
0:11:31 > 0:11:37top, I think. The support staff by the tunnel were trying to push Pep
0:11:37 > 0:11:44Guardiola towards the fans.And he has said, I don't want to celebrate,
0:11:44 > 0:11:47that may be well be appropriate for me to do, so he is walking away.I
0:11:47 > 0:11:52think he thought it would be a bit too much. United sensed it was too
0:11:52 > 0:11:55much. The players went back to the dressing rooms. Jose Mourinho had
0:11:55 > 0:11:59been in the home dressing room and came back out to either speak to the
0:11:59 > 0:12:03referee or to do his post-match interviews. The Manchester City
0:12:03 > 0:12:09dressing room door was open, and I think it was too much of an open
0:12:09 > 0:12:14door, really, for Jose Mourinho. He couldn't resist saying something,
0:12:14 > 0:12:18and it all kind of erupted, there was some pushing and shoving. This
0:12:18 > 0:12:24milk was thrown, it hit a wall, but it hit one of his support staff. It
0:12:24 > 0:12:28lasted about two minutes, then it all comes down. I think one of the
0:12:28 > 0:12:34Manchester City support staff, Mikel Arteta, ended up with a cut. It all
0:12:34 > 0:12:39calmed down the players were OK afterwards, but it was all a bit
0:12:39 > 0:12:43unseemly, over the top, after a magnificent win for Manchester City.
0:12:43 > 0:12:46You can understand from just a city's point of view, they have gone
0:12:46 > 0:12:5011 points clear at the top of the Premier League. Is it ever too much
0:12:50 > 0:12:54celebration when you are that far ahead?I think if you are the team
0:12:54 > 0:12:59that has lost, it can be deemed, an ordinary celebration can be deemed
0:12:59 > 0:13:03too much. In the end it is two big teams, the away team won yesterday,
0:13:03 > 0:13:07and it will have big ramifications for the title race, but I think that
0:13:07 > 0:13:12is what people will remember the game or four, for the fact that
0:13:12 > 0:13:15Manchester city won rather than this couple of minutes afterwards and the
0:13:15 > 0:13:19milk that got thrown against the war.So not too big an incident for
0:13:19 > 0:13:25you, because this rivalry between the teams is well-documented. Back
0:13:25 > 0:13:29in 2004, more food items were thrown, and the Manchester United
0:13:29 > 0:13:33manager at the time, Sir Alex Ferguson, was hit by pizza.I don't
0:13:33 > 0:13:36think it will go down as the Battle of the Bogside, which is what the
0:13:36 > 0:13:42game between Manchester United and Arsenal did in 2004 -- the battle of
0:13:42 > 0:13:53the buff buffet.Thank you for joining us. I will be back with a
0:13:53 > 0:13:56full bulletin for you just after ten o'clock.
0:13:56 > 0:14:02Thank you very much. Milk was thrown. They are so tough(!)
0:14:02 > 0:14:05Good morning.
0:14:05 > 0:14:08This morning - two of the so-called Chennia six tell this programme
0:14:08 > 0:14:10exclusively they feel let down and betrayed
0:14:10 > 0:14:12by the British Government for failing to do enough to help
0:14:12 > 0:14:13secure their release.
0:14:13 > 0:14:16Billy Irving, Nick Dunn and four other men have spent four
0:14:16 > 0:14:18years in an Indian prison after being charged with carrying
0:14:18 > 0:14:21unlicensed firearms and ammunition.
0:14:21 > 0:14:24They have spent two and a half years in Indian prison.
0:14:24 > 0:14:27After years of campaigning, they won an appeal against their convictions
0:14:27 > 0:14:32last month and were given permission to leave India.
0:14:32 > 0:14:34We've been following their story for years, both on radio and TV,
0:14:34 > 0:14:38and can talk now to Nick Dunn and Billy Irving in their first
0:14:38 > 0:14:41live TV interview along, with Billy's fiancee, Yvonne Machugh,
0:14:41 > 0:14:43and Nick's sister Lisa, both of whom campaigned
0:14:43 > 0:14:49relentlessly for their release.
0:14:49 > 0:14:55Hello. Nice to meet you. Welcome home. Welcome home. What is it like
0:14:55 > 0:15:01to be back?Amazing, brilliant to be back as either family again, and to
0:15:01 > 0:15:05get to see my boy.And reunited with your little boy.I would like to
0:15:05 > 0:15:10clarify, the weapons were licensed, and we proved the licenses were
0:15:10 > 0:15:14there, and the initial, everything was above legal. I just wanted to
0:15:14 > 0:15:20clarify that.Fair enough.The High Court in India has proved as
0:15:20 > 0:15:24innocent, twice we went through the courts and twice we won, so we have
0:15:24 > 0:15:28proved we are innocent and were above and everything was legal.
0:15:28 > 0:15:34Thank you for clarifying that. Welcome home, Nick.It is just truly
0:15:34 > 0:15:40amazing, after four years of missing my mam, hearing her voice again,
0:15:40 > 0:15:44obviously it is not the same, but she will always be the same to me,
0:15:44 > 0:15:52and basically so great to be back, really.And we saw you giving her
0:15:52 > 0:15:58the biggest hug at the airport. What did she say to you?
0:15:58 > 0:16:02IsHer speech isn't as great as it was four years ago. It was more the
0:16:02 > 0:16:09emotional feeling than any words can describe. I can't put words into my
0:16:09 > 0:16:16mouth. You had to be there to see it and feel it.Tell us about being
0:16:16 > 0:16:22reunited with your little boy who you've met twice effectively?Three
0:16:22 > 0:16:28times in yand. So, I mean going to India, having two hours a day with
0:16:28 > 0:16:33my son, just having the two days was brilliant, but confined to the small
0:16:33 > 0:16:40room and all eyes including Indian prisoners on, watching, staring, I
0:16:40 > 0:16:42felt uncomfortable through the process of visits, but again, it was
0:16:42 > 0:16:48just amazing to see him and then to come back and spend a whole day and
0:16:48 > 0:16:54him calling me, "Daddy. Daddy, come here. Help me with this." Just to
0:16:54 > 0:16:58get called dad, now I'm starting to feel like a father. I've never had
0:16:58 > 0:17:02the opportunity since he was born. For me, it has been, you know, quite
0:17:02 > 0:17:07emotional at the same time. It has been amazing.Yvonne, how is it for
0:17:07 > 0:17:13you having him back home?It's incredible. It is what we fought for
0:17:13 > 0:17:18for the last four years. It feels like everything is complete now and
0:17:18 > 0:17:21I am just delighted to have him home. He is already doing my head
0:17:21 > 0:17:25in, but I love it! LAUGHTER
0:17:25 > 0:17:30There must have been times for both of you when you thought this might
0:17:30 > 0:17:35not happen.It has been strange. At the same time you have got to stay
0:17:35 > 0:17:39positive. That's why I fought all the way through prison. I always
0:17:39 > 0:17:42fought toum prove life and I always fought to get the food, they were
0:17:42 > 0:17:46giving us rotten food. We should have had a bed, not a mattress on
0:17:46 > 0:17:51the floor. You have got insects crawling on you. Sometimes you would
0:17:51 > 0:17:57wake up covered with ants. It was just a bit of humanity I wanted. We
0:17:57 > 0:18:00should never have been in prison. I would have fought and fought, I
0:18:00 > 0:18:06would never have given up and that's due to Yvonne and my son, meeting my
0:18:06 > 0:18:10son for the first time. I would never give up. It kept me positive
0:18:10 > 0:18:17to keep fighting and I think, I wanted to show Yvonne, if I keep
0:18:17 > 0:18:21fighting, it gives you happy vibes. I'm not going to let them beat me.
0:18:21 > 0:18:25For me, it was more for Yvonne to show I'm fighting and I'm not going
0:18:25 > 0:18:30to give up. Yvonne has been amazing, all the girls have been amazing.
0:18:30 > 0:18:34Lisa, tell us what it is like from your point of view to have your
0:18:34 > 0:18:38brother finally home?There is no words that can describe T our family
0:18:38 > 0:18:44is complete again. There was always that part missing. Nick is a huge
0:18:44 > 0:18:48character within our family. Even, you know, to have him picking on me
0:18:48 > 0:18:54and I missed that. I missed that. He winds me up something rotten, but
0:18:54 > 0:18:59I've got it back now and our family is a family again.Where there are
0:18:59 > 0:19:04moments Nick when you thate I might not get home?I always tried to keep
0:19:04 > 0:19:09positive throughout the four years and I never gave up hope. I've got
0:19:09 > 0:19:14amazing support from the family and amazing support from just general
0:19:14 > 0:19:18public, you know, without their support, I think I would have
0:19:18 > 0:19:23struggled, but my sister never let us give up. I had to get home for me
0:19:23 > 0:19:30mam. She was my driving force. So, it's great to be back and you know,
0:19:30 > 0:19:35I never gave up.Halfs the worst time for you?Being in prison the
0:19:35 > 0:19:40first time, getting told about me mam's condition, nearly dying of a
0:19:40 > 0:19:45double aneurysm. It broke me. It absolutely broke me. It was just
0:19:45 > 0:19:50before Christmas as well. So, and not long being in prison, but I had
0:19:50 > 0:19:57to dig deep because it's so easy to let control go and just lose it, but
0:19:57 > 0:20:00I didn't because what would that achieve? I had to stay strong for
0:20:00 > 0:20:07myself and for my family and it paid off basically.
0:20:07 > 0:20:12What about the worst time for you Billy, what would you say?The
0:20:12 > 0:20:15missed the birth of my son and Yvonne had a complicated birth as
0:20:15 > 0:20:20well. I wasn't in prison at that time, but I was sat by a phone and
0:20:20 > 0:20:28computer just waiting to hear something because Yvonne was flying.
0:20:28 > 0:20:32She had to fly back to Scotland to get treatment. Again, you have got
0:20:32 > 0:20:37to think of the positives when you're there. If you feel down, as
0:20:37 > 0:20:42Nick said, you start going to a horrible place and it is trying to
0:20:42 > 0:20:46get yourself back out of especially when the family is so far away to
0:20:46 > 0:20:54help you, it's hard.Let me ask you both about all of you in fact about
0:20:54 > 0:20:59the British Government and the fact that you have felt let down by them.
0:20:59 > 0:21:05I believe I was let down back in 2014 when the case got quashed. We,
0:21:05 > 0:21:10by Indian law, should have gone home. We had no charges, keeping us
0:21:10 > 0:21:17at all, but the Indian government refused to release our passports and
0:21:17 > 0:21:29basically refused us our right to leave the country. However, the
0:21:29 > 0:21:32Government didn't believe us. They were thinking, "Are these innocent
0:21:32 > 0:21:38men?" As we recently found that they did do a lot to secure our release
0:21:38 > 0:21:43towards the end.Right. What would you say, Billy?From the start, they
0:21:43 > 0:21:47didn't help. I mean when we first went to prison, we were in prison
0:21:47 > 0:21:50for the next morning and they came to visit. They didn't speak about
0:21:50 > 0:21:54anything. They didn't know what was going on, they came and gave us a
0:21:54 > 0:21:58prisoner abroad pack and then left. What did you think of that?I
0:21:58 > 0:22:02thought it was shocking. Six men from the UK, 35 men in total. We
0:22:02 > 0:22:06didn't know halfs going on because nobody explained in English to us,
0:22:06 > 0:22:10we were forced to sign things. Sign this or we'll call you terrorists.
0:22:10 > 0:22:15Sign this or we'll make your life hell. For the last year, I believe
0:22:15 > 0:22:20all the media and the families pressure, all the petitions put in,
0:22:20 > 0:22:23really pushed the Government and I think the Government started to
0:22:23 > 0:22:30realise for the three years previous they did nothing really. They had 50
0:22:30 > 0:22:34talks about their counterparts, but nothing happened, it was only when
0:22:34 > 0:22:40the media starting picking up and putting pressure pressure, it
0:22:40 > 0:22:43started getting bigger, I think a lot more pressure went on them. Yes,
0:22:43 > 0:22:47they did start working at the end, but it was too little, too late. It
0:22:47 > 0:22:52was the lawyers that did it. Over one year waiting for the appeal for
0:22:52 > 0:22:55a judge to stand down and the following week to stand back up and
0:22:55 > 0:23:02take the case. He said the case was too complicated, but stood down. The
0:23:02 > 0:23:06acquittal papers said the case was a farce. That was basicallyit. The
0:23:06 > 0:23:10Foreign Office said the UK Government is delighted the men were
0:23:10 > 0:23:14released and the Foreign Secretary paid tribute to those who
0:23:14 > 0:23:19campaigned. They said that the Foreign Office worked behind the
0:23:19 > 0:23:23scenes to get these men released, visiting them in prison, updating
0:23:23 > 0:23:30their families and maintaining close contact with their legal team.
0:23:30 > 0:23:35You have worked so hard, you Lisa, you Yvonne and the other women, the
0:23:35 > 0:23:38other relatives to try and bring your men home as quickly as
0:23:38 > 0:23:46possible. What were the times-you thought, "I'm not sure if we're
0:23:46 > 0:23:51going to succeed."We're only human and there are times where you get
0:23:51 > 0:23:59really desperate. You become really low, but at the centre of this, are
0:23:59 > 0:24:0335 innocent men, my brother and no matter how low you get, you look to
0:24:03 > 0:24:11the support. I used to read a lot of social media, a lot of comments from
0:24:11 > 0:24:15the general public, from strangers, given their support and that really
0:24:15 > 0:24:19boosted me and just knowing that Nick and the other men had done
0:24:19 > 0:24:24nothing wrong, how could I allow this to happen? How could I just sit
0:24:24 > 0:24:31back and allow it to unfold and let it go five years? Absolutely not. I
0:24:31 > 0:24:35couldn't have slept at night. So for me, the support that we had and the
0:24:35 > 0:24:41simple fact that these are innocent men who've served our country,
0:24:41 > 0:24:44absolutely not. There was no way I was going to sit back and allow that
0:24:44 > 0:24:49to happen, I couldn't.We have got one question here from a viewer
0:24:49 > 0:24:53saying, "Did your employers fight for your release? What did the
0:24:53 > 0:24:58employers do and are the employers supporting you?"The employers
0:24:58 > 0:25:03abandoned us. They stopped paying us. Yes, they got a lawyer at the
0:25:03 > 0:25:07start, but it became apparent all they wanted was their equipment back
0:25:07 > 0:25:13and ship back. Us men were the last stop for us. The only people who was
0:25:13 > 0:25:16fighting was the families back home and they started bringing more and
0:25:16 > 0:25:20more support and that was not just the UK, it was worldwide. The
0:25:20 > 0:25:23support was unbelievable and then all the letters of support and it
0:25:23 > 0:25:28was truly amazing. That's what kept us going fighting, you know.A
0:25:28 > 0:25:33viewer tweets, "I'm in tears for the men and their families. Shame on our
0:25:33 > 0:25:37government and shame on India. I'm pleased they are back home and I
0:25:37 > 0:25:41hope they can rebuild their lives." What are your plans then?I want the
0:25:41 > 0:25:47Government to stand up and realise the mistakes they've made, to allow
0:25:47 > 0:25:53Human Rights to be violated and these need to be focussed on and
0:25:53 > 0:25:56looked at, even if they are in another country, they need make sure
0:25:56 > 0:26:00that the international laws have been done. My priority now is I just
0:26:00 > 0:26:04want to be back home and get married to Yvonne.
0:26:04 > 0:26:08When are you getting married?I need to ask the boss!As soon as
0:26:08 > 0:26:14possible. Hopefully early next year. So we will see.Just to get back to
0:26:14 > 0:26:19a normal family.Congratulations. What would you say about the
0:26:19 > 0:26:25campaigning Yvonne did for you?She has blown me away and I'm so happy I
0:26:25 > 0:26:30asked her to marry me. I can't put it in words.Well, I'm asking you to
0:26:30 > 0:26:38try, Billy! There is no words.What would you
0:26:38 > 0:26:44say about your sis?Absolutely amazing. She never gave up. She kept
0:26:44 > 0:26:51the family together. Absolutely amazing. She is a pocket
0:26:51 > 0:26:58rocket! She gets people have said in the media, she packs the punch of a
0:26:58 > 0:27:05heavyweight fighter. Me dad called her a Rottweiler! She just never
0:27:05 > 0:27:11gave up. It was the lowest point of our family when we get good news and
0:27:11 > 0:27:16straightaway get smashed with bad news. She thought that's it, we need
0:27:16 > 0:27:22to go to the next stage and keep the family going and her support and
0:27:22 > 0:27:27rallying just like Yvonne and Joanne, just kept all of us
0:27:27 > 0:27:33together, you know, truly amazing what they've done.He's my brother.
0:27:33 > 0:27:37He's my brother. I couldn't have not.Tears and smiles from you,
0:27:37 > 0:27:45Lisa.Can I give Joanne Thompson, she has been a massive part of the
0:27:45 > 0:27:51support with Lisa and Yvonne.The last time I saw you was with Joanne.
0:27:51 > 0:27:55Morgan says, "So good to see you on the programme. Those families never
0:27:55 > 0:27:59stopped fighting for those men." Thank you very much all of you. I
0:27:59 > 0:28:03really appreciate it. So goods to see you back and Stephen says, "So
0:28:03 > 0:28:09glad at last the men are recognised as having been wrongly imprisoned.
0:28:09 > 0:28:13The fact their family kept fighting speaks volume about the way the
0:28:13 > 0:28:18media forgot about them." Thank you.
0:28:18 > 0:28:21Still to come, as the Grenfell inquiry begins today -
0:28:21 > 0:28:24we'll talk exclusively to the leader of the local council and ask her
0:28:24 > 0:28:26why, coming up to Christmas, four out of five families
0:28:26 > 0:28:30are still looking for new homes.
0:28:30 > 0:28:33Self-employed workers, freelancers or those on zero-hours are more
0:28:33 > 0:28:37likely to face unwanted sexual behaviour according to a survey for
0:28:37 > 0:28:41the BBC on workplace harassment. We will talk to a woman who says as a
0:28:41 > 0:28:44waitress she is don't stantly harassed in her job and wears an
0:28:44 > 0:28:47engagement ring even though she is not engaged to try and put people
0:28:47 > 0:28:51off!
0:28:51 > 0:28:53Time for the latest news, here's Annita.
0:28:53 > 0:28:59The BBC News headlines this morning.
0:28:59 > 0:29:02Snow and freezing temperatures are causing widespread disruption across
0:29:02 > 0:29:06parts of the UK. There have been train and plane cancellations and
0:29:06 > 0:29:09drivers are warned that icy conditions are making roads
0:29:09 > 0:29:12treacherous. Hundreds of schools across Wales and the Midlands will
0:29:12 > 0:29:15be closed today.
0:29:15 > 0:29:19The chairman of a leading hospital trust in London has resigned -
0:29:19 > 0:29:21accusing the Government of failing to recognise the "enormous
0:29:21 > 0:29:23challenges" facing the NHS.
0:29:23 > 0:29:25Lord Kerslake, who's a former head of the civil service,
0:29:25 > 0:29:28said King's College Hospital Trust was struggling to cope with rising
0:29:28 > 0:29:32demand, increased costs and limits on spending.
0:29:32 > 0:29:34The regulator for England, NHS Improvement, said the trust's
0:29:34 > 0:29:38financial performance was "the worst in the NHS".
0:29:38 > 0:29:40A Department of Health spokeswoman said they were working
0:29:40 > 0:29:43with the trust to tackle the issues.
0:29:43 > 0:29:44Lord Kerslake told this programme that tough
0:29:44 > 0:29:57decisions need to be made.
0:29:57 > 0:30:00I don't think we are facing up to the choices very well,
0:30:00 > 0:30:03and I really worry that in effect, what is going to happen
0:30:03 > 0:30:06here is the NHS we know and love will slowly but surely slip
0:30:06 > 0:30:07away from us?
0:30:07 > 0:30:09Because it is not getting enough money?
0:30:09 > 0:30:11Because it is not getting the sustained funding over time
0:30:11 > 0:30:15that it needs to perform.
0:30:15 > 0:30:19And you can hear Victoria's interview with Lord Kerslake
0:30:19 > 0:30:20just after ten o'clock.
0:30:20 > 0:30:23Two days of hearings will begin later to establish the framework
0:30:23 > 0:30:25of the Grenfell Tower fire public inquiry.
0:30:25 > 0:30:28Sir Martin Moore-Bick is being urged by survivors of the fire to give
0:30:28 > 0:30:29them a more central role.
0:30:29 > 0:30:31It comes as Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn accused the Government
0:30:31 > 0:30:34of failing survivors, with more than 100 still living in hotels.
0:30:34 > 0:30:40Relatives of the victims say it's vital their stories are heard.
0:30:40 > 0:30:48And Victoria will be speaking exclusively to the leader
0:30:48 > 0:30:50of Kensington and Chelsea council, Elizabeth Campbell,
0:30:50 > 0:30:51after this summary.
0:30:51 > 0:30:54Theresa May will tell MPs later today that there is a new sense
0:30:54 > 0:30:57of optimism in the Brexit talks, after her last-minute deal aimed
0:30:57 > 0:30:58at moving them to the next phase.
0:30:58 > 0:31:01She will say she expects EU leaders to agree to start talks
0:31:01 > 0:31:04about future trade and security at a summit on Thursday.
0:31:04 > 0:31:06The Prime Minister will insist she has not caved in to Brussels
0:31:06 > 0:31:08over the so-called divorce bill.
0:31:09 > 0:31:11The most destructive of the wildfires raging in southern
0:31:11 > 0:31:13California has expanded significantly, scorching an area
0:31:13 > 0:31:18larger than New York City.
0:31:18 > 0:31:214,000 firefighters have been called up to tackle flames which are now
0:31:21 > 0:31:24threatening the coastal city of Santa Barbara.
0:31:24 > 0:31:26Hundreds of buildings have been destroyed and damaged
0:31:26 > 0:31:34and 200,000 people have had to flee their homes.
0:31:34 > 0:31:39Two of the so-called Chennai six have said that they feel let down by
0:31:39 > 0:31:44the government of failing to do enough to secure their release.
0:31:44 > 0:31:47Billy Irving, Nick Dunn and four other men spent four years in an
0:31:47 > 0:31:50Indian prison. They won an appeal last month and were given permission
0:31:50 > 0:31:54to leave India.
0:31:54 > 0:32:00For the last year, all the media and the family pressure, all the
0:32:00 > 0:32:03petitions put in, really push the Government, and I think the
0:32:03 > 0:32:06Government started to realise for the three years previous they did
0:32:06 > 0:32:14nothing. Nothing happened. It was only when the media started picking
0:32:14 > 0:32:18up, started putting pressure on, it started getting into international
0:32:18 > 0:32:22news, and the papers were picking it up, I think a lot more pressure went
0:32:22 > 0:32:25on them. Yes, it did start working in the end, but it was too little,
0:32:25 > 0:32:30too late, it was the lawyers that did it.And that is a summary of the
0:32:30 > 0:32:37latest BBC News. In the next few minutes, we will talk to the leader
0:32:37 > 0:32:45of Kensington and Chelsea Borough Council, Elizabeth Campbell, who
0:32:45 > 0:32:48took over after Nick Paget-Brown was forced to resign over his handling
0:32:48 > 0:32:52of the aftermath of the Grenfell Tower fire.
0:32:52 > 0:32:56Here's some sport now with Jess.
0:32:56 > 0:33:00Good morning. After Manchester city's win over neighbours
0:33:00 > 0:33:02Manchester United yesterday, there was an altercation between the camps
0:33:02 > 0:33:10which ended with the United camp being hit by milk. Jose Mourinho
0:33:10 > 0:33:15allegedly reported excessive celebrations. Manchester City opened
0:33:15 > 0:33:23up an 11 point gap at the top of the Premier League. In the Merseyside
0:33:23 > 0:33:31Derby, one older or -- 1-1 draw between Everton and Liverpool. And
0:33:31 > 0:33:35Ronnie O'Sullivan has won a sixth UK Championships equal Steve Davis's
0:33:35 > 0:33:40record. He won five frames in a row to beat Sean Murphy 10-5. And plenty
0:33:40 > 0:33:43of sport was cancelled over the weekend because of the weather, but
0:33:43 > 0:33:47not at Twickenham where Ulster beat harlequins 17-5 in the European
0:33:47 > 0:33:59Champions Cup. Yesterday's postponed match between Saracens and club
0:33:59 > 0:34:01Clermont will now take place today.
0:34:01 > 0:34:04The chair of the public inquiry into the Grenfell Tower fire
0:34:04 > 0:34:07is to hold two days of hearings to discuss the future of its work.
0:34:07 > 0:34:09Sir Martin Moore-Bick will be examining the arrangements under
0:34:09 > 0:34:10which witnesses will give evidence.
0:34:10 > 0:34:13He's being urged by victims of the fire to give them
0:34:13 > 0:34:22a more central role.
0:34:22 > 0:34:23of "failing" survivors of the
0:34:23 > 0:34:26June blaze, with more than 100
0:34:26 > 0:34:28blaze, with more than 100
0:34:28 > 0:34:35still living in hotels.
0:34:35 > 0:34:38One residents' group claim only 42 families of the 208 needing
0:34:38 > 0:34:39re-housing had been moved to permanent homes.
0:34:39 > 0:34:42Here's how the story has unfolded over the last six months.
0:34:42 > 0:34:44Some of the images are distressing.
0:34:48 > 0:34:50I opened the front door and there was thick smoke
0:34:50 > 0:34:51on the whole landing.
0:34:51 > 0:34:54There's a lot of young kids and a lot of old people
0:34:54 > 0:34:55living in the block.
0:34:55 > 0:34:57We could see that this was a bad one immediately.
0:34:57 > 0:34:58The sky was glowing.
0:34:58 > 0:35:00The fire brigade and the ambulance and police,
0:35:00 > 0:35:05they couldn't do nothing.
0:35:05 > 0:35:06They couldn't get in.
0:35:06 > 0:35:09They were telling them to just stay where they are,
0:35:09 > 0:35:10we will come and get you.
0:35:10 > 0:35:13People have lost their homes, children have seen things and people
0:35:13 > 0:35:14were jumping out the window.
0:35:14 > 0:35:16We just need to rebuild as a community now.
0:35:16 > 0:35:17I could've...
0:35:17 > 0:35:18Wow.
0:35:18 > 0:35:19I could've...
0:35:19 > 0:35:23We saw a lot, we saw a lot, man.
0:35:23 > 0:35:25We saw a lot with our own eyes.
0:35:25 > 0:35:26We saw...
0:35:26 > 0:35:27We saw friends, families...
0:35:27 > 0:35:29Ooh...
0:35:29 > 0:35:34Honestly, it's all right, you don't have to say any more.
0:35:34 > 0:35:37Then I went outside.
0:35:37 > 0:35:39I called out and said, where are you?
0:35:39 > 0:35:40He said, I'm in the flat.
0:35:40 > 0:35:43I said, why didn't you come outside?
0:35:43 > 0:35:49He said, nobody brought me outside.
0:35:49 > 0:35:51He said, why did you leave me?
0:35:51 > 0:35:55He said, why?
0:35:55 > 0:35:57I said, I didn't leave you.
0:36:07 > 0:36:10Today, we are back here in North Kensington to catch up
0:36:10 > 0:36:12with some of those we first met on that Wednesday.
0:36:12 > 0:36:13We still have missing people.
0:36:13 > 0:36:16We still have no answers.
0:36:16 > 0:36:19It is constantly that we are expected to chase things.
0:36:19 > 0:36:20Go here, phone this.
0:36:20 > 0:36:21Check your moral compass.
0:36:21 > 0:36:25Check it.
0:36:25 > 0:36:28Why is it OK that there are thousands of empty homes right
0:36:28 > 0:36:30in this area and these people are homeless?
0:36:30 > 0:36:31I don't want money.
0:36:31 > 0:36:33We are not looking for money.
0:36:33 > 0:36:35Olu does not want temporary accommodation, he wants
0:36:35 > 0:36:37permanent accommodation.
0:36:37 > 0:36:38He wants good, permanent accommodation.
0:36:38 > 0:36:40That is not too much to ask.
0:36:40 > 0:36:43Can you promise him that?
0:36:43 > 0:36:45What we have said is that...
0:36:45 > 0:36:47Just say yes or no.
0:36:47 > 0:36:51I work hard, I had a good house!
0:36:52 > 0:36:54Because right now we have no...
0:36:54 > 0:36:55No hopes, nothing.
0:36:55 > 0:36:58We are just living from day to day.
0:36:58 > 0:37:00We lost our properties.
0:37:00 > 0:37:03We lost lives.
0:37:03 > 0:37:07Some people lost all of their families.
0:37:07 > 0:37:09Nobody from the council has ever come to say,
0:37:09 > 0:37:13get them all together, let's sympathise with them.
0:37:13 > 0:37:17Let's pray with them.
0:37:17 > 0:37:20I don't know what's next, because it looks like right now some
0:37:20 > 0:37:22of them are going on holiday!
0:37:22 > 0:37:27We are here suffering.
0:37:27 > 0:37:30There's the recording on the phone - "Oh, sorry, she's gone on holiday.
0:37:30 > 0:37:32Sorry, he's gone on holiday".
0:37:32 > 0:37:33What kind of holiday?
0:37:33 > 0:37:36This is not the time for holiday for anybody.
0:37:36 > 0:37:40It's a wake-up call.
0:37:49 > 0:37:56The six month anniversary of the fire will be marked
0:37:56 > 0:37:59on Thursday with a service at St Paul's Cathedral.
0:37:59 > 0:38:00We'll be broadcasting from there live.
0:38:00 > 0:38:03One person who has been asked to stay away from that
0:38:03 > 0:38:05service is the leader of Conservative Kensington
0:38:05 > 0:38:07and Chelsea Council, Elizabeth Campbell.
0:38:07 > 0:38:11She took over in July after her predecessor,
0:38:11 > 0:38:13Nick Paget-Brown, was forced to resign for his handling
0:38:13 > 0:38:17of the aftermath of the fire.
0:38:17 > 0:38:21She is here now. Good morning to you.
0:38:21 > 0:38:24Good morning.Last month you said that every survivor would have a
0:38:24 > 0:38:27chance to move into a new home before Christmas. That's not going
0:38:27 > 0:38:33to happen, is it?We have been in the business of rebuilding lives,
0:38:33 > 0:38:37but over the last few months it has become quite clear that it is much
0:38:37 > 0:38:43more challenging than we thought it would be.Challenging for who?
0:38:43 > 0:38:45Challenging for both. The people who aren't moved into their homes yet
0:38:45 > 0:38:51and for us to try and make sure that we can move people into new homes,
0:38:51 > 0:38:56because until they do, it is very difficult to rebuild people's
0:38:56 > 0:39:02lights, I accept that.Tell us about some of those challenges.We thought
0:39:02 > 0:39:07originally that we had about 150 households to rehouse, and it went
0:39:07 > 0:39:13down a bit to hundred and 30, but now we are up to 210. And the
0:39:13 > 0:39:18perfectly understandable reasons. If you are three generations living
0:39:18 > 0:39:23together in a flat, then it is perfectly reasonable to say, right,
0:39:23 > 0:39:26well, your adult child has the opportunity now to have their own
0:39:26 > 0:39:31flat, and your grandmother has the opportunity to have their own flat,
0:39:31 > 0:39:37or in other cases we have people who family have come in to live with
0:39:37 > 0:39:41them. So we might have been looking for more three-bedroom houses, now
0:39:41 > 0:39:48we are looking for more ones, so the complexion has changed. We have been
0:39:48 > 0:39:56going out and buying houses at a rate of about two a day, and we have
0:39:56 > 0:39:59exchanged on 250, and we hope to get 300 by Christmas so people will have
0:39:59 > 0:40:04a choice.So I use saying it is because the families keep changing
0:40:04 > 0:40:08their minds?No, I'm not saying that, although in some cases
0:40:08 > 0:40:14sometimes they are because again, perfectly understandably, if you
0:40:14 > 0:40:17have come out of Grenfell Tower and you have lost people, and we are
0:40:17 > 0:40:23saying to you, would you like a flat in this road or in Kensington row
0:40:23 > 0:40:27or, where would you to live? Sometimes you are not ready to make
0:40:27 > 0:40:30that decision, or maybe sometimes you make the decision and then you
0:40:30 > 0:40:37change your mind, of course you do. So is it because of that and that
0:40:37 > 0:40:47there are still, according to Grenfell United, 108 households
0:40:47 > 0:40:53still in need of accommodation? There are a lot of people still in
0:40:53 > 0:40:58hotels, but everybody in a hotel has been offered alternative
0:40:58 > 0:41:02accommodation, either private rented accommodation or a serviced
0:41:02 > 0:41:04apartment, and again, for perfectly understandable reasons, some of them
0:41:04 > 0:41:10want to stay where they are. I saw someone a couple of weeks ago,
0:41:10 > 0:41:14someone with her mother, and her mother is in a hotel, going crazy in
0:41:14 > 0:41:18a hotel because actually it is six months on and you don't want to be
0:41:18 > 0:41:21in a hotel, and I was saying, can't you persuade her that perhaps she
0:41:21 > 0:41:28could have a flat and then it gives you space to think and figure out
0:41:28 > 0:41:32what you do want and don't want, and she is saying to me, no, because if
0:41:32 > 0:41:38she goes into a flat, then she feels that she will go down the priority
0:41:38 > 0:41:44order, and you will forget about her.Which is a fair point.Which is
0:41:44 > 0:41:49a fair point.Because you might.Not because we might, we won't forget
0:41:49 > 0:41:53about her, you stay in the same priority order, and we are getting
0:41:53 > 0:41:58flats. But what is reality and how people feel might be completely
0:41:58 > 0:42:02different. And on a more cheery note, there are people where we have
0:42:02 > 0:42:05got an awful lot of people who have accepted offers who are in hotels,
0:42:05 > 0:42:19they are saying, why do I want to move twice? It has been
0:42:19 > 0:42:22exchanged, I have seen it, I am getting the furniture, I don't want
0:42:22 > 0:42:25to move now and then move again at the end of January or in February. I
0:42:25 > 0:42:28will stay where I am fine now. So there are many different reasons.We
0:42:28 > 0:42:30know one survivor who has been offered four different types of
0:42:30 > 0:42:32accommodation and turned them all down for a variety of reasons. What
0:42:32 > 0:42:36you think of that?I don't know what the reasons are. But that is his
0:42:36 > 0:42:40choice, right? I am not going to force people, I'm not in the
0:42:40 > 0:42:43business of saying, it will be much better for me if you are out of
0:42:43 > 0:42:46hotels and we can move these figures from this column to the other side.
0:42:46 > 0:42:51If that is their decision, that is their decision. But we would hope to
0:42:51 > 0:42:55try and persuade them, or try and find something where they would like
0:42:55 > 0:43:00to go to, and actually what we would really like them to do is move to
0:43:00 > 0:43:02permanent accommodation, because it is really difficult start your life
0:43:02 > 0:43:07again, and for some people, to even start the grieving process, if you
0:43:07 > 0:43:13are stuck in a hotel.Do you think that is being too picky?I am
0:43:13 > 0:43:20absolutely not going to go there or go down that route. It is the
0:43:20 > 0:43:23people, some of whom are incredibly traumatised, because it is not that
0:43:23 > 0:43:30long to make up their own minds, but I'm certainly not that criticise
0:43:30 > 0:43:34their decisions.So the fact that some people six months on from the
0:43:34 > 0:43:36fire are still in emergency accommodation is their
0:43:36 > 0:43:43responsibility?It is both the responsibility, isn't it? It is our
0:43:43 > 0:43:47responsibility to make sure there is a sufficient amount of permanent
0:43:47 > 0:43:49accommodation available, and stuff that they would like to live in.And
0:43:49 > 0:43:56you haven't done that?We have 250 who we have exchanged on, but
0:43:56 > 0:44:00remember buying your own house, all the things that you have to do, and
0:44:00 > 0:44:05double it, because we are doing it as a council, so fire certificates,
0:44:05 > 0:44:13gas certificates, surveys, repainting, re-carpeting all those
0:44:13 > 0:44:18things take time. But we have been buying at a rate of roughly about
0:44:18 > 0:44:22two a day.And you told us in October that you hoped you would
0:44:22 > 0:44:27have bought 300 new homes by Christmas.We are almost there. We
0:44:27 > 0:44:32have exchanged on 250, and we have 50 more to exchange before
0:44:32 > 0:44:38Christmas. But in total, under offer, we have had 370, so we are
0:44:38 > 0:44:47moving in that direction, yes.So what do you say to those households
0:44:47 > 0:44:52who are upset, frustrated, angry, that they are still in a hotel?I
0:44:52 > 0:44:56would say, talk to your key worker, talk to other workers, especially if
0:44:56 > 0:45:00you have children, is it the right place to have children? Is there a
0:45:00 > 0:45:06private rented accommodation, any alternative accommodation service,
0:45:06 > 0:45:10apartment, that you would like to move into? And if you would, we will
0:45:10 > 0:45:14try and find it for you.Would you say sorry to those who are going to
0:45:14 > 0:45:21be in hotels over Christmas?Yes, I am sorry. I'm sorry that they are in
0:45:21 > 0:45:25hotels. But I'm also sorry... It's one of those things, isn't it? That
0:45:25 > 0:45:28they don't feel they trust us enough that they can move somewhere that
0:45:28 > 0:45:32they might be more comfortable before they make the final decision.
0:45:32 > 0:45:36Of course I'm sorry. That is a lack of trust, and that takes time to
0:45:36 > 0:45:44build up again. Identify have a magic answer to that.
0:45:44 > 0:45:49What are you doing to encourage the community to trust you?I suppose
0:45:49 > 0:45:54actions, you know, we've got, we've taken on 300 extra staff. We've got
0:45:54 > 0:45:59an army of people out there who we have commissioned, wrap around care
0:45:59 > 0:46:03and mental health workers, it's not just about houses, it's the whole
0:46:03 > 0:46:07package and I think it's about building relationships. If they have
0:46:07 > 0:46:11a strong relationship with their housing officer or their key worker,
0:46:11 > 0:46:14we've got accident accommodation that they can move into, hopefully
0:46:14 > 0:46:21that will repair the trust. I mean we're in touch with so many
0:46:21 > 0:46:24survivors who say the permanent accommodation they have been offered
0:46:24 > 0:46:31is just not suitable. It's inappropriate and elderly grandma
0:46:31 > 0:46:35has been offered an apartment block, not high up, but high enough up
0:46:35 > 0:46:38which means she would have to use the stairs and she is in a
0:46:38 > 0:46:43wheelchair?Well, I can't comment on individual cases. I have seen lots
0:46:43 > 0:46:52of...That happened. So, I mean, how is that happening?Well, again, you
0:46:52 > 0:46:57know, OK, if that has happened, obviously that's completely
0:46:57 > 0:47:03unacceptable, but the flats that I have seen will have lifts,
0:47:03 > 0:47:09wheelchair accessible, are very nice airy, bright, we're going for really
0:47:09 > 0:47:13high quality apartments and we've got a whole file of them. It's a
0:47:13 > 0:47:17pity I didn't bring some photos for you today. They are good quality
0:47:17 > 0:47:23apartments.OK. The Met Police said in July there were reasonable
0:47:23 > 0:47:27grounds to suspect your council and the tenant management organisation
0:47:27 > 0:47:32whose job it was to look after Grenfell Tower may have committed
0:47:32 > 0:47:36corporate manslaughter. Have you been interviewed by the police yet?
0:47:36 > 0:47:43No, but I've said, you know, all our documents, any evidence they need,
0:47:43 > 0:47:48anything, in anyway we can help them with, we'll help.Do you know if
0:47:48 > 0:47:52your predecessor has been interviewed?I don't.Has anyone at
0:47:52 > 0:47:58your council as far as you know been interviewed by the police?I assume
0:47:58 > 0:48:04so, yeah. But I mean, I don't have the details and as I said, you know,
0:48:04 > 0:48:11I understand that for our residents it is really, really important that
0:48:11 > 0:48:15they get justice so we will co-operate in any way we can. I mean
0:48:15 > 0:48:20imagine, imagine if it was you had lost someone in that fire, you would
0:48:20 > 0:48:26want, you would want justice and anyway we can help, any
0:48:26 > 0:48:31documentation, anything we can give forward, we will. We'll co-operate
0:48:31 > 0:48:37in any way we can. Phil tweets this, "Elizabeth
0:48:37 > 0:48:43Campbell description is confusing as she said previously there were too
0:48:43 > 0:48:48many people living in one property and now public scrutiny has forced
0:48:48 > 0:48:55the council to house people properly which means multiple properties."It
0:48:55 > 0:49:04is more a myriad of different reasons people don't want to live
0:49:04 > 0:49:11together.One viewer says, "Thanks for keeping this in our
0:49:11 > 0:49:23consciousness."So do I.Stevie says, "The people trying to help the
0:49:23 > 0:49:27Grenfell victims, they are looking for problems and stopping them
0:49:27 > 0:49:32fixing the issues." Is that fair?We have taken on a lot of extra staff.
0:49:32 > 0:49:35We are going through family by family, individual by individual,
0:49:35 > 0:49:39trying to find them something that suits them, and in the meantime, I
0:49:39 > 0:49:44repeat, if they wish to move out of the hotel, we have got good quality
0:49:44 > 0:49:48homes available.Do you mind me asking you where you will be
0:49:48 > 0:49:53spending Christmas?At home with my elderly mother and my children.How
0:49:53 > 0:49:57many homes do you own?I have one main home in London.
0:49:57 > 0:50:07How many do you own?I own two, I suppose. But where are we going with
0:50:07 > 0:50:13this?Curious.What relevance does it have, you know? I am in this
0:50:13 > 0:50:16because I stepped up and I am determined to help people. I don't
0:50:16 > 0:50:21think that my own situation reflects on it. I am absolutely determined to
0:50:21 > 0:50:24rebuild people's lives and I will do everything I can as a council
0:50:24 > 0:50:29leader.The reason for asking is because as you know, you have been
0:50:29 > 0:50:32criticised for being out-of-touch with the people that you are
0:50:32 > 0:50:38supposed to represent.Well, do you know what? I believe it's not where
0:50:38 > 0:50:41you're from, it's who you're there for and I am out there for the
0:50:41 > 0:50:47people of Grenfell Tower.Is it two or more?Do you know what? I have
0:50:47 > 0:50:52never ever wanted to bring my private life into politics and I'm
0:50:52 > 0:50:59not going to go there. You won't be a the memorial service
0:50:59 > 0:51:02because bereaved families don't want you to be there. What does that say
0:51:02 > 0:51:07about what the community thinks of you?Well, I think it's perfectly
0:51:07 > 0:51:12understandable for the community not to wish to have a representative
0:51:12 > 0:51:17from the council at the memorial service and I totally respect that
0:51:17 > 0:51:20and we will be paying our own respects in the council with a
0:51:20 > 0:51:25minute's silence.What will you be doing?We will be gathering together
0:51:25 > 0:51:29and we'll behaving a minute's silence in the council chamber to
0:51:29 > 0:51:32remember people who are at the fore front of our minds who actually died
0:51:32 > 0:51:39on that tragic night. And do do any volunteering in your
0:51:39 > 0:51:46own time to help Grenfell survivors? All of my time, 24 hours a day is
0:51:46 > 0:51:49actually working for Grenfell survivors because I think the way
0:51:49 > 0:51:54I'm best placed is to try and get those homes and we will have 300 by
0:51:54 > 0:51:56Christmas, but I'm meeting survivors all the time, yes.
0:51:56 > 0:52:01Thank you very much for talking to us.Thanks.Thank you. Elizabeth
0:52:01 > 0:52:04Campbell.
0:52:04 > 0:52:07And on Thursday we'll be broadcasting live from St Paul's
0:52:07 > 0:52:09cathedral where a service of commemoration will take place
0:52:09 > 0:52:15to mark six months since the fire.
0:52:16 > 0:52:18Self-employed workers, freelancers or those on zero hours,
0:52:18 > 0:52:20are more likely to face unwanted sexual behaviour, according
0:52:20 > 0:52:25to a survey for the BBC on workplace harassment.
0:52:25 > 0:52:31More than 6,0000 British adults were asked about the types
0:52:31 > 0:52:33More than 6,000 British adults were asked about the types
0:52:33 > 0:52:35of behaviour they'd faced and where it happened.
0:52:35 > 0:52:38The research suggests two in five women had experienced sexual
0:52:38 > 0:52:40harassment in the workplace - for men it's one in five.
0:52:40 > 0:52:42Industries like hospitality, retail and the public sector
0:52:42 > 0:52:44are said to be most at risk.
0:52:44 > 0:52:47It's an issue we've covered on the programme for some time now.
0:52:47 > 0:52:49Last month we gathered together an audience of people who'd
0:52:49 > 0:52:54all experiences sexual harassment in different industries.
0:52:54 > 0:52:57So, I was working as a waitress and bartender, it was a zero-hours
0:52:57 > 0:53:01contract job, it was minimum wage and over a period of months
0:53:01 > 0:53:03I was sexually harassed by one of my managers.
0:53:03 > 0:53:06And what does that mean?
0:53:06 > 0:53:09Kind of calling me sexually derogatory names, slapping my bum,
0:53:09 > 0:53:12and it culminated at one point where he took me into a private
0:53:12 > 0:53:18room where the managers did their admin work and said,
0:53:18 > 0:53:23"This is the room where we have sex with our employees".
0:53:23 > 0:53:25Let's talk to Amy Stoneman.
0:53:25 > 0:53:28She is a waitress and says she is harassed so much at work,
0:53:28 > 0:53:30she wears a ring on her engagement finger, even though
0:53:30 > 0:53:32she's not engaged.
0:53:32 > 0:53:34Tim Martin, the boss of Speak In Confidence
0:53:34 > 0:53:35which encourages workers to speak out.
0:53:35 > 0:53:39Welcome both of you. How many times a week would you say you are
0:53:39 > 0:53:43sexually harassed?It would be every single shift that I'm on. So, you
0:53:43 > 0:53:48know, whether I'm working five days or two. So you know sometimes, if
0:53:48 > 0:53:54it's a match day, so you've got your football fans, it's a lot more. If
0:53:54 > 0:53:59it's, busy night out, again it's a lot more. It generally tends to be
0:53:59 > 0:54:06males from the age of 20 to 60.All the way up to 60?Yes.Is it
0:54:06 > 0:54:12comments? Is it touching?Both. I've had worst case scenario, I have had
0:54:12 > 0:54:16someone ask me to have a look at a picture on their phone and it was a
0:54:16 > 0:54:20picture of their penis. I've had men, you know, trying to kiss my
0:54:20 > 0:54:25hand which I suppose was at some point some kind of romantic gesture,
0:54:25 > 0:54:28but it's not in our society. It was very strange. I was trying to pull
0:54:28 > 0:54:32my hand away and it wasn't working. People, you know, trying to touch my
0:54:32 > 0:54:37hips, trying to move where I'm going, called me baby. Those kind of
0:54:37 > 0:54:43patronising things. It is all these compliments of how pretty face is,
0:54:43 > 0:54:50but they are talking about it with their mates and they are 40 or 50
0:54:50 > 0:54:54and it is intimidating, I'm only 20. I've only been in this job for three
0:54:54 > 0:54:57months and I haven't done anything like it before then. So it started
0:54:57 > 0:55:01from the off set.And are you wearing the engagement ring?I am
0:55:01 > 0:55:06now. I didn't start wearing it to ward off men. It was my
0:55:06 > 0:55:10grandmother's and I always wear a ring on my own finger and I can't
0:55:10 > 0:55:15wear two rings on one hand so I always wore it on this one. As soon
0:55:15 > 0:55:18as I started working I realised how effective at getting rid of men.It
0:55:18 > 0:55:24works?It really does. It is a more advanced way of saying sorry, I have
0:55:24 > 0:55:28a boyfriend I suppose. I just, you know, kind of flash it and they
0:55:28 > 0:55:33would leave me alone and I always thought it was because men respected
0:55:33 > 0:55:38men more than they kind of women and their own rights to their bodies.
0:55:38 > 0:55:45Gosh.They see us as property and they don't see us of property as our
0:55:45 > 0:55:51own, they see us as the man owning us. That's why I feel it is an easy
0:55:51 > 0:55:55way of getting rid of them. If you just say no, I'm not interested a
0:55:55 > 0:55:59lot of time they persist and persist.Because they think they can
0:55:59 > 0:56:04persuade you. What do you think of what Amy had to do?It is terrible.
0:56:04 > 0:56:11We are in a terrible state. Your survey has shown 50% women in the
0:56:11 > 0:56:14workplace are harassed and of those a quarter will feel they can raise
0:56:14 > 0:56:19it. That is fundamentally wrong.You provide a platform which allows
0:56:19 > 0:56:23employees to anonymously report, don't you?It enables people to do
0:56:23 > 0:56:27in confidence. It let's people anonymously contact their
0:56:27 > 0:56:31management. One of the things we found a lot of people won't raise
0:56:31 > 0:56:37harassment or bullying because they are scared of the impact on their
0:56:37 > 0:56:43job and they fear they won't be taken seriously. We give people a
0:56:43 > 0:56:47route to speak to management confidentially. Unless you know
0:56:47 > 0:56:52about a problem, you can't tackle it.How is it going to change? How
0:56:52 > 0:56:59is the culture going to change?I think, a few things. It's horrible
0:56:59 > 0:57:02it has needed Weinstein and Parliament to get this on the table,
0:57:02 > 0:57:07but at least it is on the table. Last week the equalities and Human
0:57:07 > 0:57:10Rights Commission wrote to most of the top businesses in the UK saying
0:57:10 > 0:57:14what are your policies for sorting sexual harassment? What are you
0:57:14 > 0:57:17doing about it? And how are you sorting it? That's a good step
0:57:17 > 0:57:22forward. We have got to keep the pressure up. As consumers we
0:57:22 > 0:57:26shouldn't be dealing with businesses that don't treat their staff
0:57:26 > 0:57:29properly and put in place systems that enable their staff to be
0:57:29 > 0:57:33treated properly.Thank you very much, Tim. Amy, thank you for coming
0:57:33 > 0:57:38in.
0:57:38 > 0:57:43News and sport on the way before 10am. Before that, the weather. Here
0:57:43 > 0:57:45is Lucy.
0:57:47 > 0:57:51We have seen the snow. This photo sent in by a Weather Watcher in
0:57:51 > 0:57:55Buckinghamshire. A cold night overnight last night. We saw
0:57:55 > 0:57:59temperatures down to minus 12 Celsius in parts of Northumberland
0:57:59 > 0:58:04and it will be a colder night still as we go through tonight. Now, the
0:58:04 > 0:58:07weather today is dominated by this area of low pressure coming up from
0:58:07 > 0:58:12the south. It will bring rain and it could also bring snow for a time
0:58:12 > 0:58:16particularly over high ground and sleet. Here is the radar from
0:58:16 > 0:58:20earlier, we have seen snow up in the north of Scotland and that rain has
0:58:20 > 0:58:24fallen at snow at times today. As we move through the rest of today then,
0:58:24 > 0:58:27it will edge its way eastwards gradually. There will be a lot of
0:58:27 > 0:58:31dry and bright weather around. Particularly for Southern Scotland,
0:58:31 > 0:58:34parts of northern England and into Wales and central England, but
0:58:34 > 0:58:37brightening up. A scattering of showers for Northern Ireland and
0:58:37 > 0:58:40parts of Northern Scotland and the potential for a few patches of ice
0:58:40 > 0:58:45on the roads. So if you are out and about, take care. So here we are
0:58:45 > 0:58:48this afternoon, at 3pm, we are seeing the rain clearing its way
0:58:48 > 0:58:51eastwards. A lot of dry and bright weather around, but temperatures
0:58:51 > 0:58:55close to freezing. A few showers clipping coastal areas of the
0:58:55 > 0:59:00south-west and Wales. A similar Tory for northern England,
0:59:00 > 0:59:02a few coastal showers, but dry and bright with patches of ice on the
0:59:02 > 0:59:05road and a scattering of showers for Northern Ireland and Northern
0:59:05 > 0:59:09Scotland. Some of those falling as snow particularly over high ground
0:59:09 > 0:59:13and in land. This evening and overnight, the showers becoming
0:59:13 > 0:59:18confined to coastal areas. We will see lots of clear skies. We are
0:59:18 > 0:59:22looking at a bitterly cold night. A widespread frost. These are the
0:59:22 > 0:59:25temperatures in towns and cities, but rurally it will be colder than
0:59:25 > 0:59:28that, a few spots getting below minus ten Celsius.
0:59:28 > 0:59:32So a very cold start to the dame tomorrow. A few patches of freezing
0:59:32 > 0:59:35fog taking their time to lift through the morning. Plenty of
0:59:35 > 0:59:39brightness, perhaps one or two coastal showers clipping the coasts
0:59:39 > 0:59:42through the morning, but it will turn cloudier from the west with
0:59:42 > 0:59:44outbreaks of rain moving in. That could fall as snow in the north over
0:59:44 > 0:59:50the hills. Again, another cold day. That rain works its way east as we
0:59:50 > 0:59:54move through Tuesday and into Wednesday. The wind spinning around
0:59:54 > 0:59:57to more of a westerly as well. That means by the time we get to
0:59:57 > 0:59:59Wednesday, it's not going to be quite as cold. There will be more in
0:59:59 > 1:00:03the way of cloud, showery outbreaks of rain as well, but the
1:00:03 > 1:00:07temperatures aren't going to be as cold. Maximum of between three and
1:00:07 > 1:00:1111 Celsius. So a cold day today. Plenty of
1:00:11 > 1:00:14brightness around apart from this the South East and another cold day
1:00:14 > 1:00:17tomorrow, with a scattering of showers and then a little bit milder
1:00:17 > 1:00:20by Wednesday.
1:00:21 > 1:00:28Hello it's Monday, it's ten o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire.
1:00:28 > 1:00:30Welcome programme. Our top story today:
1:00:30 > 1:00:32Snow and ice across the UK are causing treacherous
1:00:32 > 1:00:33driving conditions.
1:00:33 > 1:00:36Schools are closed, flights delayed and thousands are without power.
1:00:36 > 1:00:39The snow has stopped, but temperatures have dropped
1:00:39 > 1:00:41significantly, 450 schools closed across Wales under around 400 homes
1:00:41 > 1:00:47still without power.
1:00:47 > 1:00:49Also on the programme:
1:00:49 > 1:00:52Six months since the Grenfell Tower fire, and four out of five families
1:00:52 > 1:00:56are still looking for new homes.
1:00:56 > 1:01:01The leader of Kensington and Chelsea Council apologises.
1:01:01 > 1:01:02I am sorry.
1:01:02 > 1:01:05I'm sorry that they're in hotels but also that they don't
1:01:05 > 1:01:07want to move because they don't trust us enough to feel
1:01:07 > 1:01:10they can move before they make a final decision.
1:01:10 > 1:01:16More reaction to come to that before 11.
1:01:16 > 1:01:18The boss of a large hospital trust in London quits
1:01:18 > 1:01:20accusing the Government of unrealistic funding costs.
1:01:20 > 1:01:25We will hear from him in the next few minutes.
1:01:26 > 1:01:27Good morning.
1:01:27 > 1:01:32Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.
1:01:32 > 1:01:34Thanks, Victoria. Good morning.
1:01:34 > 1:01:36Snow and freezing temperatures are still causing widespread
1:01:36 > 1:01:42disruption across parts of the UK.
1:01:42 > 1:01:44There have been train and plane cancellations, and drivers
1:01:44 > 1:01:47are being warned that icy conditions are making roads treacherous.
1:01:47 > 1:01:49Hundreds of schools across Wales and the Midlands will
1:01:49 > 1:01:58also be closed today.
1:01:58 > 1:02:04The chairman of Kings College Hospital trust says that the trust
1:02:04 > 1:02:09was struggling to cope with rising demand and limits on spending. The
1:02:09 > 1:02:12regulators are England, NHS improvements, says the trust's
1:02:12 > 1:02:19financial in performance was the worst in the NHS. The trusted is
1:02:19 > 1:02:23working to tackle the issues. Lord Kerslake said that tough decisions
1:02:23 > 1:02:27need to be made.I don't think we are facing up to the choice is very
1:02:27 > 1:02:32well, and irony worry that in effect, what is going to happen here
1:02:32 > 1:02:36is that the NHS we know and love will slowly but surely slip away
1:02:36 > 1:02:42from us.Because it is not getting enough money?Because it is not
1:02:42 > 1:02:44getting the sustained level of funding over time that it needs to
1:02:44 > 1:02:54perform.
1:02:54 > 1:02:56The leader of Kensington and Chelsea council has told this programme
1:02:56 > 1:02:59that she is sorry that some families made homeless by the Grenfell Tower
1:02:59 > 1:03:01fire will be in temporary accommodation this Christmas.
1:03:01 > 1:03:04Elizabeth Campbell, who took over leadership of the council in July
1:03:04 > 1:03:06after her predecessor was forced to resign for his handling
1:03:06 > 1:03:10of the aftermath of the fire, said that the council was doing all it
1:03:10 > 1:03:12could to find new homes but that it took time to acquire
1:03:12 > 1:03:15and check new properties.
1:03:15 > 1:03:20We have 250, that we have exchanged on, but remember buying your own
1:03:20 > 1:03:24house, all the things that you have to do, and double it. Because we are
1:03:24 > 1:03:31doing it as a council. So fire certificate, gas certificate,
1:03:31 > 1:03:38survey, repainting, re-carpeting. All those things take time.
1:03:38 > 1:03:41Theresa May will tell MPs later today that there is a new sense
1:03:41 > 1:03:43of optimism in the Brexit talks, after her last-minute deal aimed
1:03:43 > 1:03:45at moving them to the next phase.
1:03:45 > 1:03:48She will say she expects EU leaders to agree to start talks
1:03:48 > 1:03:50about future trade and security at a summit on Thursday.
1:03:50 > 1:03:53The Prime Minister will insist she has not caved in to Brussels
1:03:53 > 1:03:56over the so-called divorce bill.
1:03:57 > 1:04:00Two of the so-called Chennai Six have told this programme exclusively
1:04:00 > 1:04:02they feel let down and betrayed by the British Government
1:04:02 > 1:04:05for failing to do enough to help secure their release.
1:04:05 > 1:04:08Billy Irving, Nick Dunn and four other men have spent four years
1:04:08 > 1:04:11in an Indian prison.
1:04:11 > 1:04:13After years of campaigning, they won an appeal against their convictions
1:04:13 > 1:04:21last month and were given permission to leave India.
1:04:21 > 1:04:28For the last year, I believe all the media and the families' pressure,
1:04:28 > 1:04:31all the petitions put in, really push the government, and I think the
1:04:31 > 1:04:33government started to realise for the three years previous they did
1:04:33 > 1:04:41nothing. 50 tops, but nothing happened. It was only when the media
1:04:41 > 1:04:44started picking up and putting pressure on, it was getting bigger,
1:04:44 > 1:04:48it started going to international news, is started getting bigger and
1:04:48 > 1:04:52papers picking it up, I think a lot more pressure went on. Yes, they did
1:04:52 > 1:04:56start working on it then, but it was too little, too late at that time,
1:04:56 > 1:04:58and it was the lawyers that did it.
1:04:58 > 1:05:00The most destructive of the wildfires raging in southern
1:05:00 > 1:05:02California has expanded significantly, scorching an area
1:05:02 > 1:05:03larger than New York City.
1:05:03 > 1:05:064,000 firefighters have been called up to tackle flames which are now
1:05:06 > 1:05:08threatening the coastal city of Santa Barbara.
1:05:08 > 1:05:10Hundreds of buildings have been destroyed and damaged and 200,000
1:05:10 > 1:05:17people have had to flee their homes.
1:05:17 > 1:05:21And that's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.30.
1:05:21 > 1:05:28Thank you, Annita. Here are some messages about Grenfell. After
1:05:28 > 1:05:31listening to the council leader, I got the impression she does care,
1:05:31 > 1:05:34but she doesn't know where the survivors are coming from. I think
1:05:34 > 1:05:38she needs to spend a week living in a council tower block and experience
1:05:38 > 1:05:44what life is like. You deserve praise the keeping Grenfell in the
1:05:44 > 1:05:46spotlight, it should never be forgotten.
1:05:46 > 1:05:50Karl says please don't pretend to be outraged or suggest you are better
1:05:50 > 1:05:54than the lady from Kensington Council, because she has two herbs.
1:05:54 > 1:05:59You are also middle-class and no doubt spend more on your week's
1:05:59 > 1:06:01holiday than many in that tower earning a month to support the
1:06:01 > 1:06:08family. And this, let's be real, this woman didn't start the fire,
1:06:08 > 1:06:13she didn't choose to have a huge family in one flat. The Grenfell
1:06:13 > 1:06:18community need to start being real, and the issues need to start being
1:06:18 > 1:06:21taken from real, and those people need to start taking the expensive
1:06:21 > 1:06:26free homes offered. Marion says, I'm not happy with your intrusive
1:06:26 > 1:06:35questioning, Victoria. The leader had answered all questions politely.
1:06:35 > 1:06:40And this question, why can't they move people to a less expensive area
1:06:40 > 1:06:44rather than trying to has a few in the most expensive area of London?
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1:06:50 > 1:06:52Here's some sport now with Jessica.
1:06:52 > 1:06:52Good morning, Victoria.
1:06:52 > 1:06:54After Manchester City's win over neighbours Manchester United
1:06:54 > 1:06:57yesterday, there was an altercation between the two camps that led
1:06:57 > 1:07:00to one of the United staff being hit by some millk.
1:07:00 > 1:07:02The 2-1 win puts City 11 points clear at the top
1:07:02 > 1:07:05of the Premier League, with United manager Jose Mourinho
1:07:05 > 1:07:11admitting his team's title hopes are now probably over.
1:07:11 > 1:07:15But he was reportedly unhappy with City's buoyant
1:07:15 > 1:07:18celebrations after the match.
1:07:18 > 1:07:24You saw the players rush over to the away end to celebrate with their
1:07:24 > 1:07:27fans. You saw some of the staff tried to get Pep Guardiola involved
1:07:27 > 1:07:32in those celebrations, and he decided against it. And apparently
1:07:32 > 1:07:35after the match, towards the dressing rooms, there then was an
1:07:35 > 1:07:44angry exchange between him and the Manchester City goalkeeper Ederson.
1:07:44 > 1:07:47The Manchester City dressing room door was open, and I think it was
1:07:47 > 1:07:52too much of an open door for Jose Mourinho, he couldn't resist saying
1:07:52 > 1:07:56something, and then it all kind of erupted. There was a bit of pushing
1:07:56 > 1:08:01and shoving, and as you say, this milk was thrown, it hit a wall, it
1:08:01 > 1:08:07hit one of his support staff, then it all comes down, I think one of
1:08:07 > 1:08:11the city support staff, Mikel Arteta, has ended up with a cut. It
1:08:11 > 1:08:15all comes down after a couple of minutes, and the players were OK
1:08:15 > 1:08:26afterwards, but it was all a bit unseemly.
1:08:28 > 1:08:33It was pretty eventful 34 miles away in the Merseyside Derby.
1:08:33 > 1:08:34Wayne Rooney equalising
1:08:34 > 1:08:35from the penalty spot.
1:08:35 > 1:08:37Liverpool remain fourth in the Premier League table,
1:08:37 > 1:08:39two points behind third-placed Chelsea, while Everton stay tenth.
1:08:39 > 1:08:42Ronnie O'Sullivan says he could never call himself
1:08:42 > 1:08:44the greatest, but he's surely on his way.
1:08:44 > 1:08:46Last night he won his sixth UK Snooker Championship.
1:08:46 > 1:08:53It means O'Sullivan has equalled Steve Davis' tally,
1:08:53 > 1:08:56and Stephen Hendry's record of winning 18 of snooker's top
1:08:56 > 1:08:58three championships.
1:08:58 > 1:09:01It was 24 years ago that O'Sullivan won his first UK Championship.
1:09:01 > 1:09:04Look at this.
1:09:04 > 1:09:07A fresh-faced 17-year-old.
1:09:07 > 1:09:10He'd only turned professional a year earlier, but here he was beating
1:09:10 > 1:09:14the then world number one Stephen Hendry in the final.
1:09:14 > 1:09:16Fast forward 24 years and he's up against Shaun Murphy,
1:09:16 > 1:09:24in the dominant form we've come to expect from him.
1:09:24 > 1:09:27Ten frames to five he won last night, and former player Davis
1:09:27 > 1:09:31believes there's still more to come.
1:09:31 > 1:09:35You see him in this form, he isn't going to go off the boil soon. I
1:09:35 > 1:09:40think he has to or three more years, as long as he is focused, he will be
1:09:40 > 1:09:44there fighting. A thousand centuries he has nailed on, about another
1:09:44 > 1:09:48World Championship. A lot of great players in the game have their say,
1:09:48 > 1:09:52but Ronnie O Sullivan in good form, not just his best form, good form,
1:09:52 > 1:09:58can still win events. It is astonishing how well he plays.That
1:09:58 > 1:10:01is all for now, the headlines just after half past.
1:10:01 > 1:10:05Thank you very much. It is nine minutes past ten. Good morning.
1:10:05 > 1:10:08The chairman of a leading hospital trust in London has resigned ,
1:10:08 > 1:10:10accusing the government of failing to recognise the "enormous
1:10:10 > 1:10:11challenges" facing the NHS.
1:10:11 > 1:10:16Lord Kerslake, who's a former head of the civil service,
1:10:16 > 1:10:18told this programme if nothing changes, "the NHS we know and love
1:10:18 > 1:10:20will slowly slip away from us."
1:10:20 > 1:10:22He claims King's College Hospital Trust is struggling financially
1:10:22 > 1:10:24as it fought against the "inexorable pressures" of rising
1:10:24 > 1:10:27demand, increased costs and limits on spending.
1:10:27 > 1:10:29The regulator, NHS Improvement, said the trust's financial
1:10:29 > 1:10:31performance was "the worst in the NHS" and that it was
1:10:31 > 1:10:32considering taking action.
1:10:32 > 1:10:40Lord Kerslake explained why he was standing down
1:10:40 > 1:10:44I love Kings, so it was a very, very difficult decision for me, but in
1:10:44 > 1:10:49the end I felt like there wasn't the sufficient realism about the scale
1:10:49 > 1:10:52of the challenges that the NHS and kings face, so I felt that this was
1:10:52 > 1:10:59the moment I needed to step down. Isn't the truth that you have
1:10:59 > 1:11:01decided to get out before your trust was placed in financial special
1:11:01 > 1:11:06measures?This was a decision I made myself, and it was my decision
1:11:06 > 1:11:12alone. Yes, we will, I think, almost certainly going to financial special
1:11:12 > 1:11:15measures, and that itself would not have been the issue. The issue is
1:11:15 > 1:11:19about, what are we trying to achieve for the NHS, and what level of
1:11:19 > 1:11:24service we want and how much we are prepared to pay for it. King's is a
1:11:24 > 1:11:28great hospital and we have achieved a lot in the last few years, some
1:11:28 > 1:11:31big savings and big efficiencies, but we recognise we face particular
1:11:31 > 1:11:38challenges at the moment.The regulator says King's financial
1:11:38 > 1:11:41performance is unacceptable, the worst in the NHS and continues to
1:11:41 > 1:11:45deteriorate.I can't say whether it is the worst or not, but what I can
1:11:45 > 1:11:48say is that hospitals covered different positions. It merged with
1:11:48 > 1:11:53another hospital before my time, and in that process ended up with a dev
1:11:53 > 1:11:59visit of over 140 million. We have got that down over a third, and the
1:11:59 > 1:12:03last two years, we have achieved 80 million savings in each of the
1:12:03 > 1:12:07years, twice the national average. So we have done a lot to drive down
1:12:07 > 1:12:09costs, but this year has been particularly challenging.
1:12:09 > 1:12:15Unacceptable, they say.Obviously they use their own words. We would
1:12:15 > 1:12:19not want to have a deficit at all as a hospital. We think we have done it
1:12:19 > 1:12:25huge amount to bring the hospital into the best possible place. But in
1:12:25 > 1:12:29the end, despite those huge savings, we still face challenges.Forgive
1:12:29 > 1:12:32me, I'm going to put you again, isn't the truth that you have
1:12:32 > 1:12:37decided to leave, to step away, before you face being put in
1:12:37 > 1:12:43financial special measures?No, because I have said already we
1:12:43 > 1:12:48anticipate that financial special measures would come. I made a
1:12:48 > 1:12:51decision myself of my own volition that this was a time in which I
1:12:51 > 1:12:56should step down.So are you deserting a sinking ship?Not at
1:12:56 > 1:12:59all, I have done a huge amount of King's and I will stay friendly and
1:12:59 > 1:13:02support King's where ever I can, but they're obviously pointed your time
1:13:02 > 1:13:06at a place where you need to make a decision whether or not it is best
1:13:06 > 1:13:13to go to stay, and I have made that decision.What quality of care are
1:13:13 > 1:13:18you able to offer, do you believe, at King's?We offer I think very
1:13:18 > 1:13:21good quality of care, and that is the absolute premium of what we
1:13:21 > 1:13:27focus on at Kings. It is the care for the patient tos and the welfare
1:13:27 > 1:13:31of the staff that we have to focus on first and foremost. At the same
1:13:31 > 1:13:35time we of course try and look to improve the efficiency of what we
1:13:35 > 1:13:40do, and that in turn needs capital investment as well. But care is good
1:13:40 > 1:13:45at King's, it is a very good hospital. My own daughter will be
1:13:45 > 1:13:48having her child with King's. So I trust the hospital, and I think it
1:13:48 > 1:13:54is a great hospital.Is that quality of care threatened by the financial
1:13:54 > 1:13:59settlement from the Government?I think over time that will be the
1:13:59 > 1:14:02issue. I think over time all of the health service will have to face
1:14:02 > 1:14:07some difficult choices. If not about quality than about the performance,
1:14:07 > 1:14:10the sort of response times that we can deliver for the money available.
1:14:10 > 1:14:16And this by the way is something that has been raised by Simon
1:14:16 > 1:14:20Stephens, Secretary General of the NHS England.Do you think this
1:14:20 > 1:14:24Government is failing the NHS?I wouldn't want to say the failing it.
1:14:24 > 1:14:27Collectively we need to make decisions about what kind of health
1:14:27 > 1:14:31service we want. How much money that is going to cost. And how much we
1:14:31 > 1:14:39will pay for it?So is it time, then, to have a conversation with
1:14:39 > 1:14:44the public about taxation, about ring fenced taxation for the NHS?
1:14:44 > 1:14:46Absolutely, I'm not going to get into a situation of saying the
1:14:46 > 1:14:49Government don't want the NHS to improve, but we are not facing up to
1:14:49 > 1:14:53the choice is very well, and I really worry that in effect what is
1:14:53 > 1:14:57going to happen here is that the NHS we know and love will slowly but
1:14:57 > 1:15:01surely slip away from us.Because it is being, it is not getting enough
1:15:01 > 1:15:05money?It is not getting the sustained level of funding over time
1:15:05 > 1:15:10that it needs to perform.And is it to do with people paying more in
1:15:10 > 1:15:12taxes, or is it to do with the Government making different
1:15:12 > 1:15:16decisions about what they spend money on?I think it is probably
1:15:16 > 1:15:20going to need a conversation about how much people pay in taxes, that
1:15:20 > 1:15:24is a very difficult conversation but I think it has got to be had. There
1:15:24 > 1:15:27may also be choices about where you put the money, what is most
1:15:27 > 1:15:30important to people. I think on the whole people would see the safety of
1:15:30 > 1:15:32care of themselves and their loved ones is being top of that priority
1:15:32 > 1:15:40list.
1:15:40 > 1:15:42Lord Kerslake explaining why he's resigned as King's College
1:15:42 > 1:15:46Hospital Trust chair.
1:15:46 > 1:15:49Hopes are
1:15:59 > 1:16:02The Prime Minister will tell MPs today that there's been been "give
1:16:02 > 1:16:05and take" between the UK and the EU in order to move on to talks
1:16:05 > 1:16:07about their trading relationship after Brexit.
1:16:07 > 1:16:10In a statement in the House of Commons, Theresa May is expected
1:16:10 > 1:16:13to say that she isn't seeking a hard or soft Brexit but a bold
1:16:13 > 1:16:17new partnership and what she will call a new "sense of optimism".
1:16:17 > 1:16:22But there are reports of a potential Cabinet split over whether the UK
1:16:22 > 1:16:28should pay the huge divorce bill somewhere in the region of £35
1:16:28 > 1:16:30to £39 billion - if trade talks fail.
1:16:30 > 1:16:33Now let's talk to two Conservative MPs - Jonathan Djanogly -
1:16:33 > 1:16:39MP for Huntingdon and member of Parliament's Exiting
1:16:39 > 1:16:42the EU Select Committee, who voted to remain in the EU
1:16:42 > 1:16:44referendum and now fully supports Britain leaving the EU
1:16:44 > 1:16:46and Maria Caulfield MP, Conservative MP for Lewes,
1:16:46 > 1:16:48and member of the Northern Ireland parliamentary committee -
1:16:48 > 1:16:51who has always seen the benefits of leaving the EU.
1:16:51 > 1:16:56Right, David Davis says that £40 billion we're due to pay is
1:16:56 > 1:16:59conditional on getting a trade deal. The Chancellor says even if there is
1:16:59 > 1:17:02no deal, we need to honour our commitments. What do you think?My
1:17:02 > 1:17:06understanding is it the deal that was done last week is the parameters
1:17:06 > 1:17:11of going forward with the trade talks and as Theresa May said
1:17:11 > 1:17:15previously, nothing is agreed until everything is agreed. So...So if
1:17:15 > 1:17:20there is no trade deal, does Britain pay?I think that's unlikely now.
1:17:20 > 1:17:23Last week has shown that a trade deal in one form or another is
1:17:23 > 1:17:29likely to happen. And so, you know, given that that is, the likeliest
1:17:29 > 1:17:33scenario, that's likely to be the bill we're paying.If there is no
1:17:33 > 1:17:36trade deal, should Britain honour its commitments?Well, the
1:17:36 > 1:17:39commitment as set out in the agreement last week is that there is
1:17:39 > 1:17:43no deal until we have a final deal. So, the final deal would be a trade
1:17:43 > 1:17:47deal so I think, you know, legally speaking, absolutely, there is no
1:17:47 > 1:17:51reason why we should pay money and realistically speaking, I mean if
1:17:51 > 1:17:54David Davis had come back and said look I have got this outline deal,
1:17:54 > 1:17:59we move forward to a trade deal, if we don't get a trade deal, we're
1:17:59 > 1:18:02going to pay £40 billion, that would have been highly unacceptable to
1:18:02 > 1:18:06everyone in Parliament. I mean if there is no deal, and
1:18:06 > 1:18:11Britain does not pay, if David Davis means that, then how does that look
1:18:11 > 1:18:15to other countries when we want to have by lateral trade deals with
1:18:15 > 1:18:19them?I think you've got to look at this as a moving piece. It's hard to
1:18:19 > 1:18:24look at it as a stand alone proposition. What we had last week
1:18:24 > 1:18:28was a statement of intent, technically not legally binding, but
1:18:28 > 1:18:32in practise, where we want to go. And I think the really important
1:18:32 > 1:18:35change is if you look back at this time last week where everything was
1:18:35 > 1:18:39doom and gloom and nothing is happening. Now we have a framework
1:18:39 > 1:18:43to move forward and we have a momentum and I think that sense of
1:18:43 > 1:18:47optimism has come back into the equation and I'm hoping it will
1:18:47 > 1:18:51carry us through.I want to ask you about time frames. David Davis
1:18:51 > 1:18:57talked about a Canada plus, plus, plus deal. EU leaders as you know,
1:18:57 > 1:19:01insist a deal has to be done by October to give the European
1:19:01 > 1:19:05Parliament a chance to scrutinise it. And to decide where to support
1:19:05 > 1:19:10it, of course, MPs in the Commons also need time to vote on it. You
1:19:10 > 1:19:14know it look seven years for Canada to do its free trade deal with the
1:19:14 > 1:19:19EU. How can a deal be done in the time frame?Well, I think we're in a
1:19:19 > 1:19:23very different situation to Canada because we have been dealing with
1:19:23 > 1:19:28the EU for 40 years.But we want to diverge?Our rules and regulations
1:19:28 > 1:19:34meet the EU criteria, that was not the case for Canada. Da had to make
1:19:34 > 1:19:37-- Canada had to make adjustments in order to get where the EU wanted
1:19:37 > 1:19:40them to be in order to sign the trade deal. We're trading with them
1:19:40 > 1:19:45now. As we stand now, a trade deal would be easy to do.Only if we want
1:19:45 > 1:19:49to condition with full alignment? Not necessarily. We don't want to
1:19:49 > 1:19:54look at a Canada deal. We need a more bespoke deal because Canada
1:19:54 > 1:19:57mainly deals in goods and we have got financial services to look at,
1:19:57 > 1:20:03so we would be looking at the Swiss model. So there is a number of
1:20:03 > 1:20:08models. We need a bespoke deal.Can that be done by October?The
1:20:08 > 1:20:12proposal is we try and get terms by March. October is the EU's deadline.
1:20:12 > 1:20:18Yes.David Davis has said that we can go all the way through until
1:20:18 > 1:20:25March 2019 and still strike a deal and of course...That doesn't give
1:20:25 > 1:20:30you enough time, does it, to scrutinise and vote on it in the
1:20:30 > 1:20:36Commons before 29th March 2019?Yes. Y, but what the EU and David Davis
1:20:36 > 1:20:41have said that if we did agree outline terms for a few tu trade
1:20:41 > 1:20:47deal, at any time before March, that could be finalised during the
1:20:47 > 1:20:50implementation period which would be two years after that.OK.So again,
1:20:50 > 1:20:54we've got this moving feast going through which is confusing for
1:20:54 > 1:21:00people, but it's not going to be a set moment of time. These things
1:21:00 > 1:21:10will develop. Several things that Brexiteer said
1:21:10 > 1:21:16wouldn't happen, have happened. They said we wouldn't have to leave to EU
1:21:16 > 1:21:20and we do. It is substantial. And if no agreement can be reached on the
1:21:20 > 1:21:23Northern Ireland border, the whole of the UK, not just Northern
1:21:23 > 1:21:26Ireland, will maintain full alignment with the EU's single
1:21:26 > 1:21:30market and customs union. What do you think of that?Well, we don't
1:21:30 > 1:21:34have to pay a deal, if you look at the House of Lords report, legally
1:21:34 > 1:21:38we're not bound to pay any money at all, but this is part of the
1:21:38 > 1:21:41negotiations...But we are doing. They said we wouldn't have to and we
1:21:41 > 1:21:47are.This is the parameters of setting out what we want from a free
1:21:47 > 1:21:51trade deal. If we don't get that free trade deal, we are not bound to
1:21:51 > 1:21:55pay anything. This is about setting out if we want a free trade deal,
1:21:55 > 1:21:57the two years of commitments of money that we have been xited to,
1:21:57 > 1:22:01we're happy to pay, but after that, we won't be paying a penny. I expect
1:22:01 > 1:22:06to see hout a free trade deal, there won't be an on going commitment.
1:22:06 > 1:22:10There are 50 countries that has a trade deal with the EU and not one
1:22:10 > 1:22:15pays a penny.I want to ask you as a previous Remainer if I may, what you
1:22:15 > 1:22:20think about Labour's position which yesterday they suggested they would
1:22:20 > 1:22:24be in favour of easy movement of people from the rest of the EU to
1:22:24 > 1:22:30Britain and British people moving to the European Union.Yes, well, I
1:22:30 > 1:22:33hope we're moving beyond the leave and remain argument, we are going
1:22:33 > 1:22:37out. It's the question of the terms on which we go out and it does seem
1:22:37 > 1:22:40that the Labour Party, which by the way is more split than the
1:22:40 > 1:22:43Conservative Party on this issue, are moving...I don't know how you
1:22:43 > 1:22:47can say that, but you did with a straight face. We asked for a Labour
1:22:47 > 1:22:51MP to join us, but it wasn't possible.Right.What do you think?
1:22:51 > 1:22:57I think they are moving closer towards a customs union continue
1:22:57 > 1:23:01type position.What do you think?I think we will come to a deal on
1:23:01 > 1:23:06this. If you look at countries like Norway or Switzerland, that are not
1:23:06 > 1:23:12part of the EU, but that have deals with the EU, it does involve some
1:23:12 > 1:23:16level of free movement. Now, in Switzerland's case, that's
1:23:16 > 1:23:20restricted amount, but you know, what's the alternative? We start
1:23:20 > 1:23:24doing free trade deals with third party countries, if you look at
1:23:24 > 1:23:28India, Australia, New Zealand, they have all said that their number one
1:23:28 > 1:23:33request will be UK visas. So, the idea that we leave the EU and
1:23:33 > 1:23:37suddenly end the immigration debate is simply not the case. This country
1:23:37 > 1:23:40will need immigration. The immigration will be related to our
1:23:40 > 1:23:43economy. If our economy is improving, we will want immigration,
1:23:43 > 1:23:47if it's going down, we'll want less of it and we will have to have a
1:23:47 > 1:23:49fair immigration policy that reflects that need.
1:23:49 > 1:23:54Agree?Yeah, absolutely, that's why we have got the Immigration Bill
1:23:54 > 1:23:57coming through Parliament at the start of next year because it isn't
1:23:57 > 1:24:00about ending immigration, it's about having control over immigration and
1:24:00 > 1:24:03having, when we have got skills that we're short of, that we welcome
1:24:03 > 1:24:06those people, whether they are from the EU or from the rest of the world
1:24:06 > 1:24:10and where people have the skills we have got a surplus of, we can say no
1:24:10 > 1:24:15to. It is about having control of the immigration and the Immigration
1:24:15 > 1:24:28Bill next year will start ta to set that out.Thank you both very much.
1:24:33 > 1:24:36In the States temperatures are also freezing.
1:24:36 > 1:24:38Firefighters came to the aid of a deer which became stranded
1:24:38 > 1:24:41after the water froze over at an Oregon golf course.
1:24:41 > 1:24:45They used a special sleigh to nudge it to safety.
1:25:15 > 1:25:19Bottom LAUGHTER
1:25:29 > 1:25:32Yes!
1:25:38 > 1:25:43Firefighters in Oregon rescuing a deer!
1:25:43 > 1:25:49Let me read you some messages from people watching the interview with
1:25:49 > 1:25:54the leader of the Kensington and Chelsea Borough Council. Godfrey
1:25:54 > 1:25:58tweets, "An excellent and sincere response from Elizabeth Campbell."
1:25:58 > 1:26:02Another viewer tweets, "The council leader has no sympathy and no real
1:26:02 > 1:26:07heart." Trust the council, it is they who have left people homeless
1:26:07 > 1:26:14and poverty-stricken. George says, "It is appalling so many families
1:26:14 > 1:26:20have not been refoused. The council leaders says the right words, but
1:26:20 > 1:26:28actions speak louder than words." Victoria was criticised for
1:26:28 > 1:26:34intrusive questioning. The council leader lives in a different world.
1:26:34 > 1:26:38Ian tweets this, "Just watched your intrir about Grenfell, the questions
1:26:38 > 1:26:42were difficult, but they needed asking. This is what people want to
1:26:42 > 1:26:47know." More reaction to come before 11am.
1:26:47 > 1:26:52On Thursday, we will be broadcasting live from St Paul's Cathedral where
1:26:52 > 1:26:55a service of commemoration will take place to mark six months since the
1:26:55 > 1:27:03fire.
1:27:03 > 1:27:07One of the largest fires in California continues to spread.
1:27:07 > 1:27:11We'll hear from people who have been affected.
1:27:11 > 1:27:13Time for the latest news, here's Annita.
1:27:13 > 1:27:16The BBC News headlines this morning.
1:27:16 > 1:27:18Snow and freezing temperatures are still causing widespread
1:27:18 > 1:27:20disruption across parts of the UK.
1:27:20 > 1:27:22There have been train and plane cancellations, and drivers
1:27:22 > 1:27:25are being warned that icy conditions are making roads treacherous.
1:27:25 > 1:27:27Hundreds of schools across Wales and the Midlands will
1:27:27 > 1:27:37also be closed today.
1:27:43 > 1:27:46The chairman of a leading hospital trust in London has resigned ,
1:27:46 > 1:27:48accusing the government of failing to recognise the "enormous
1:27:48 > 1:27:49challenges" facing the NHS.
1:27:49 > 1:27:52Lord Kerslake, who's a former head of the civil service,
1:27:52 > 1:27:54He claims King's College Hospital Trust is struggling financially
1:27:54 > 1:27:56as it fought against the "inexorable pressures" of rising
1:27:56 > 1:27:58demand, increased costs and limits on spending.
1:28:07 > 1:28:11Lord Kerslake said that tough decisions had to be made.
1:28:11 > 1:28:16I really worry that in effect what's going to happen here is the kind of
1:28:16 > 1:28:19NHS that we know and love will slowly, but surely slip away from
1:28:19 > 1:28:22us. Because it is being, because it's
1:28:22 > 1:28:27not getting enough money?It is not getting the sustained level of
1:28:27 > 1:28:32funding over time that it needs to perform.
1:28:33 > 1:28:35The leader of Kensington and Chelsea Council has
1:28:35 > 1:28:37told this programme that she is sorry that some families
1:28:37 > 1:28:40made homeless by the Grenfell Tower fire will be in temporary
1:28:40 > 1:28:41accommodation this Christmas.
1:28:41 > 1:28:44Elizabeth Campbell, who took over leadership of the council in July
1:28:44 > 1:28:46after her predecessor was forced to resign for his handling
1:28:46 > 1:28:49of the aftermath of the fire, said that the council was doing all it
1:28:49 > 1:28:52could to find new homes, but that it took time to acquire
1:28:52 > 1:28:56and check new properties.
1:28:56 > 1:28:59Theresa May will tell MPs later today that there is a new sense
1:28:59 > 1:29:02of optimism in the Brexit talks, after her last-minute deal aimed
1:29:02 > 1:29:04at moving them to the next phase.
1:29:04 > 1:29:07She will say she expects EU leaders to agree to start talks
1:29:07 > 1:29:09about future trade and security at a summit on Thursday.
1:29:09 > 1:29:12The Prime Minister will insist she has not caved in to Brussels
1:29:12 > 1:29:15over the so-called divorce bill.
1:29:15 > 1:29:20The most destructive of the wildfires raging in southern
1:29:20 > 1:29:23California has expanded significantly, scorching an area
1:29:23 > 1:29:27larger than New York City.
1:29:27 > 1:29:304,000 firefighters have been called up to tackle flames which are now
1:29:30 > 1:29:31threatening the coastal city of Santa Barbara.
1:29:31 > 1:29:34Hundreds of buildings have been destroyed and damaged and 200,000
1:29:34 > 1:29:40people have had to flee their homes.
1:29:40 > 1:29:44That's a summary of the latest BBC News.
1:29:44 > 1:29:55And here is some sport with Jessica.
1:29:55 > 1:29:58There was an altercation between Manchester United and Manchester
1:29:58 > 1:30:04City last night. Jose Mourinho was reportedly irritated by Manchester
1:30:04 > 1:30:07City's excessive celebrations, leading to a row after the match.
1:30:07 > 1:30:11City have opened up an 11 point gap at the top of the Premier League. In
1:30:11 > 1:30:16the Merseyside Derby, and Everton penalty gave them a 1-1 draw with
1:30:16 > 1:30:19Liverpool at Anfield. Liveable remain fourth, two points behind
1:30:19 > 1:30:23third placed Chelsea, while Everton stay ten. Ronnie O'Sullivan wins a
1:30:23 > 1:30:2960 UK Snooker championship to equal Steve Davis' record. He won five
1:30:29 > 1:30:34frames in a row to beat Sean Murphy 10-5. And plenty of sport was
1:30:34 > 1:30:38cancelled over the weekend, but not of the Twickenham Stoop where Ulster
1:30:38 > 1:30:44beat harlequins 17-5 in the harlequins cup. Yesterday's
1:30:44 > 1:30:47postponed match between Saracens and Clermont will take place today at
1:30:47 > 1:30:535:30pm. Fans are being invited to attend.
1:30:53 > 1:30:54Nazanin Zaghari Ratcliffe, the British-Irannian mum jailed
1:30:54 > 1:30:57in Iran since 2016 on charges of spying, has said
1:30:57 > 1:30:59she can see some light at the end of tunnel.
1:30:59 > 1:31:02It follows a visit to the country by Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson
1:31:02 > 1:31:04who held talks with his Iranian counterpart and the country's
1:31:04 > 1:31:10President, Hasan Rouhani.
1:31:10 > 1:31:14A court case that was due to take place over the weekend didn't go
1:31:14 > 1:31:24ahead, raising hopes that Nazanin could soon be released.
1:31:24 > 1:31:27Let's talk now to her husband Richard Radcliffe, who has
1:31:27 > 1:31:29campaigned tirelessly for his wife's release and has appeared on this
1:31:29 > 1:31:30programme a number of times.
1:31:30 > 1:31:34Good morning to you. Where are we now?It was a good weekend, as you
1:31:34 > 1:31:38have just said. The Foreign Secretary went to Iran, which he
1:31:38 > 1:31:41promised to do, and clearly had positive conversations with the
1:31:41 > 1:31:44Foreign Minister, the president, the speaker of parliament and a number
1:31:44 > 1:31:50of other people. We were living in dread of Sunday's court case, and it
1:31:50 > 1:31:54didn't happen. So where we are now is we are hopeful, hopefully that
1:31:54 > 1:31:58dream of her being back home for Christmas is still possible.The
1:31:58 > 1:32:02court hearing has been postponed, it hasn't been totally scrapped. What
1:32:02 > 1:32:06is it that you are waiting for? Boris Johnson was ask if your wife
1:32:06 > 1:32:09to be released on humanitarian grounds, and roll-out by new court
1:32:09 > 1:32:13hearing, she is eligible for release because she has served a third of
1:32:13 > 1:32:19her sentence.She has done a third of her original sentence of five
1:32:19 > 1:32:23years, and her lawyers are pressing, hoping that that eligibility, there
1:32:23 > 1:32:29can be a hearing on it. She has been reviewed for her health conditions,
1:32:29 > 1:32:31so the health commissioners have come in and assessed her with the
1:32:31 > 1:32:36prison doctors, and that reporters on the prosecutor's desk, so there
1:32:36 > 1:32:40is a hope to see if she is eligible, she has a young child and family
1:32:40 > 1:32:45waiting for her in Britain, and please can she come home.If it is
1:32:45 > 1:32:53going to happen, what is the sort of choreography around it? It has been
1:32:53 > 1:32:57a bumpy ride all the way through, and it will probably a bumpy ride to
1:32:57 > 1:33:01the very end. I am hoping to catch up with the Foreign Office today or
1:33:01 > 1:33:07tomorrow to get a full debrief as to what has happened and work out what
1:33:07 > 1:33:10happens thereafter, but I'm hoping that that internal process of
1:33:10 > 1:33:13pushing for the early release can be reviewed in the next ten days to
1:33:13 > 1:33:19have her home for Christmas, and that then we will suddenly get good
1:33:19 > 1:33:21news. So you don't know specifically what
1:33:21 > 1:33:25the Iranians had to Boris Johnson yet? I will get a debrief today or
1:33:25 > 1:33:29tomorrow. He met her family yesterday, Saturday, and said that
1:33:29 > 1:33:34he had raised her case and he was hopeful that it was constructive,
1:33:34 > 1:33:38but I can't go through all the details of what was said, we will
1:33:38 > 1:33:41find out more afterwards.And do you link his visit this weekend with
1:33:41 > 1:33:45that court hearing for your wife being postponed?I think definitely
1:33:45 > 1:33:49a good visit in all the different ways, and there was progress and
1:33:49 > 1:33:52lots of different things, it has created a positive environment, and
1:33:52 > 1:33:58that can only help our case, and our case in the big point of her coming
1:33:58 > 1:34:02home.Thank you very much. We wish you all the best.Thank you.
1:34:02 > 1:34:05The leader of Kensington and Chelsea Council has told this
1:34:05 > 1:34:07programme that she is sorry that some families made homeless
1:34:07 > 1:34:10by the Grenfell Tower fire will be in temporary accommodation this
1:34:10 > 1:34:14Christmas.
1:34:14 > 1:34:16Elizabeth Campbell, who took over leadership of the council in July
1:34:16 > 1:34:19after her predecessor was forced to resign for his handling
1:34:19 > 1:34:22of the aftermath of the fire, said that the council was finding it
1:34:22 > 1:34:24more challenging than they had thought to find permanent housing,
1:34:24 > 1:34:27and that it took time to acquire and check new properties.
1:34:28 > 1:34:31We have 250, that we have exchanged on, but remember
1:34:31 > 1:34:33buying your own house, all the things that you have
1:34:33 > 1:34:35to do, and double it.
1:34:35 > 1:34:38Because we are doing it as a council.
1:34:38 > 1:34:40So fire certificate, gas certificate, survey,
1:34:40 > 1:34:49repainting, re-carpeting.
1:34:49 > 1:34:58All those things take time.
1:35:00 > 1:35:05But we have been buying at a rate of two a day. And you said that you had
1:35:05 > 1:35:12hoped that you would buy 300 by Christmas.We are almost there. We
1:35:12 > 1:35:18have exchanged on 250, but an offer we have had 370, so we are moving in
1:35:18 > 1:35:26that direction, yes.So what do you say to those households who are
1:35:26 > 1:35:33upset, frustrated, angry, that they are still in a hotel?I would say,
1:35:33 > 1:35:36talk to your key worker, talk to other workers, especially if you
1:35:36 > 1:35:41have children, is it the right place to have children, is their private
1:35:41 > 1:35:45rented accommodation, any alternative accommodation service,
1:35:45 > 1:35:50apartment, that you would like to move into? And if you would, we will
1:35:50 > 1:35:53try and find it for you.Would you say sorry to those who are going to
1:35:53 > 1:36:00be in hotels over Christmas?Yes, I am sorry. I'm sorry that they are in
1:36:00 > 1:36:04hotels. But I'm also sorry... It's one of those things, that they don't
1:36:04 > 1:36:09feel that they trust us enough, that they can move somewhere that they
1:36:09 > 1:36:12might be more comfortable before they make the final decision. Of
1:36:12 > 1:36:17course I'm sorry. That is lack of trust, and it takes time to build up
1:36:17 > 1:36:21again. I don't think I have a magic answer to that.What specifically
1:36:21 > 1:36:30are you doing to encourage the community to trust you?I suppose
1:36:30 > 1:36:36actions, you know. We have taken on 300 extra staff. We have an army of
1:36:36 > 1:36:38people out there who we have commissioned, wraparound care,
1:36:38 > 1:36:43mental health workers, because it is not just about houses, it is the
1:36:43 > 1:36:47whole package. And I think it's about building relationships. If
1:36:47 > 1:36:51they have a strong relationship with the housing officer or their key
1:36:51 > 1:36:55worker, and we've got a decent accommodation for them to move into,
1:36:55 > 1:36:59hopefully that will repair the trust.Elizabeth Campbell.
1:36:59 > 1:37:0271 people were killed in the fire in Grenfell Tower
1:37:02 > 1:37:04and thousands of people in the area are still coping with
1:37:04 > 1:37:10trauma, pain and loss.
1:37:10 > 1:37:13In the days after the blaze there was palpable anger at how
1:37:13 > 1:37:15Kensington and Chelsea Council handled the unfolding
1:37:15 > 1:37:19tragedy itself.
1:37:19 > 1:37:22People were also frustrated at the decisions which led
1:37:22 > 1:37:24to the tower being clad in the materials which will
1:37:24 > 1:37:27be part of the focus of the inquiry which opens today.
1:37:27 > 1:37:29This anger has led to verbal abuse in the street,
1:37:29 > 1:37:32on social media and even a physical attack on one councillor.
1:37:32 > 1:37:34Pat Mason is one of those Labour councillors.
1:37:34 > 1:37:38Good morning to you.Good morning. Your reaction to what Elizabeth
1:37:38 > 1:37:41Campbell were saying about the challenges when it comes to
1:37:41 > 1:37:43providing permanent
1:37:43 > 1:37:49accommodation...We have heard all this before, and in a council
1:37:49 > 1:37:58meeting last week, she said it would be June before all of the survivors
1:37:58 > 1:38:02at Grenfell warehoused. We heard Mrs May in the Commons back in June say
1:38:02 > 1:38:05it would be three weeks, then we heard it would be September, then we
1:38:05 > 1:38:08heard it would be Christmas, and now it is going to be June, but I didn't
1:38:08 > 1:38:13hear her say it to you.She explained the challenges that she
1:38:13 > 1:38:20faces.She certainly faces challenges, after 30 years of the
1:38:20 > 1:38:24Council mismanaging and causing a housing crisis in the borough almost
1:38:24 > 1:38:30worse than anywhere else in the country. Sajid Javid and Mrs May
1:38:30 > 1:38:34have told us again and again in the Commons that this is a national
1:38:34 > 1:38:38issue, a national tragedy, and they know the council is out of their
1:38:38 > 1:38:41depth, they know there is at crisis in housing, they know that they
1:38:41 > 1:38:45should have done more. They should be appropriate in all of those
1:38:45 > 1:38:49properties in the borough, up to 6000 properties are lying empty.
1:38:49 > 1:38:52They should appropriate these in the national interest for those
1:38:52 > 1:38:57survivors who are living...But they are buying new property.They are
1:38:57 > 1:39:00buying new properties, they say they are going to buy them.They are
1:39:00 > 1:39:04doing, they are not just saying it. I know Layard, the figure keeps
1:39:04 > 1:39:11going up and down, 300 by Christmas, I see the figures every week, the
1:39:11 > 1:39:14leader of the council produces a briefing every week. No one really
1:39:14 > 1:39:17believes what these figures say, because they bounce up and down. I
1:39:17 > 1:39:23talked to the Labour MP for Kensington, she gives me a different
1:39:23 > 1:39:26figure that is a third higher, you can't believe any of these figures,
1:39:26 > 1:39:30because if it was true that they had 300 houses by Christmas, all of the
1:39:30 > 1:39:34survivors, I think about 209 by their own figures, they would be
1:39:34 > 1:39:39housed. All this nonsense about, we have to make sure that they want the
1:39:39 > 1:39:42houses or they have signed up, that they don't want to go, and by the
1:39:42 > 1:39:48way, there are people texting insane, those people should be going
1:39:48 > 1:39:51out of the borough, somewhere else, it is Mrs May who stood up and told
1:39:51 > 1:39:54those people that they would be housed in the borough. There are
1:39:54 > 1:39:58thousands of properties in this borough that the Government, not the
1:39:58 > 1:40:02council, could appropriate temporarily in the national interest
1:40:02 > 1:40:06to house those people by Christmas. But they don't do it because they
1:40:06 > 1:40:10don't care. They don't care about those people. The council in the
1:40:10 > 1:40:12previous administration didn't care about those people when people like
1:40:12 > 1:40:15me and my colleagues were standing up the council talking about the
1:40:15 > 1:40:18housing crisis, talking about the thousands of people that we have an
1:40:18 > 1:40:22housed at homeless now in the borough and for the last 15 years,
1:40:22 > 1:40:25they didn't do it.There were plenty of people watching Elizabeth
1:40:25 > 1:40:29Campbell saying she clearly cares and she is doing the best she can.
1:40:29 > 1:40:32She is captive to what the last administration and the ministration
1:40:32 > 1:40:37before did. We are now in a where the Government should have stepped
1:40:37 > 1:40:40in and provided those housing by taking the private properties, the
1:40:40 > 1:40:45buy to rents, the properties lying empty all over the borough and in
1:40:45 > 1:40:48Kensington doing nothing, lying empty, they should appropriate those
1:40:48 > 1:40:53in the national interest for those survivors.You are one of several
1:40:53 > 1:40:57ward councillors in the area around Grenfell Tower. Can you tell us how
1:40:57 > 1:41:02some people have reacted to you since the fire?I know quite a lot
1:41:02 > 1:41:06of them for 20 or 30 years, so some of my colleagues have fared worse
1:41:06 > 1:41:14than me. We understand why people are angry. Of course I got attacked,
1:41:14 > 1:41:18but do you think that I care about that one almost a hundred people
1:41:18 > 1:41:27have burned to death in a block in Grenfell Tower?You say that my
1:41:27 > 1:41:33audience got attacked, but the audience don't know what happened --
1:41:33 > 1:41:37you say you got attacked, that the audience don't know what happened.A
1:41:37 > 1:41:42couple of guys who had got drunk knocked me down. But I have had
1:41:42 > 1:41:48worse, I have been threatened with death were trying to Kia -- clear
1:41:48 > 1:42:00out drug houses. All councillors get that. So yes that happened, but
1:42:00 > 1:42:05those survivors are suffering 100 times worse than I ever could. And
1:42:05 > 1:42:10we were there because I want to help, I was there at the fire couple
1:42:10 > 1:42:16of hours afterwards, so I saw and heard things that some of those
1:42:16 > 1:42:22survivors saw, some of those people saw. We're part of that community as
1:42:22 > 1:42:26well, the councils on those areas are part of that community as well.
1:42:26 > 1:42:32We also feel what they feel. We also understand when we've met dozens of
1:42:32 > 1:42:37people who have lost their families, uncles, mothers, fathers, why some
1:42:37 > 1:42:41of those listeners should understand that if they lost everything, if
1:42:41 > 1:42:44they lost their families and lost their houses, they wouldn't be so
1:42:44 > 1:42:47quick at calling in to your programme to say that those people
1:42:47 > 1:42:50should be grateful for what they get and they should take whatever they
1:42:50 > 1:42:54get and should be sent out of the borough to cheaper places. Those
1:42:54 > 1:43:01people from my point of view should just shut up and butt out. They
1:43:01 > 1:43:04don't live here. We don't want you talking about it. The survivors
1:43:04 > 1:43:07don't like you, they don't want you coming here and they don't would you
1:43:07 > 1:43:12coming here and taking selfie is up against that tower as I saw the
1:43:12 > 1:43:16other day. It is a complete disrespect, and it is a disrespect
1:43:16 > 1:43:20of those people. They don't understand that they don't care.
1:43:20 > 1:43:26What you hope will come out of the national memorial service this week?
1:43:26 > 1:43:30Well, you know, I am always sad when there has to be a national memorial
1:43:30 > 1:43:33service. I remember the King's Cross fire, and that same kinds of things
1:43:33 > 1:43:35were said before then about the fires on the Underground every week
1:43:35 > 1:43:40that used to be reported in the Evening Standard and nobody ever did
1:43:40 > 1:43:44anything, and then 31 people were burned to death and 200 injured, and
1:43:44 > 1:43:48then they spent several millions on and they had national memorial
1:43:48 > 1:43:52services, and like the people in North Kensington, we're fed up with
1:43:52 > 1:43:55memorial services and council leaders say there are sorry and that
1:43:55 > 1:43:58they will learn the lesson, the lessons I never learned about not
1:43:58 > 1:44:02doing anything now, the Government is still refusing to give money for
1:44:02 > 1:44:06those 5000 tower blocks across England have the same firetrap
1:44:06 > 1:44:12conditions as Grenfell. They are doing nothing at all. Those people
1:44:12 > 1:44:15out there don't trust the council, don't trust the Government, because
1:44:15 > 1:44:22they don't put their money where their mouth is. I heard the
1:44:22 > 1:44:25Chancellor say last night when questioned on TV as to why he wasn't
1:44:25 > 1:44:28giving money for the council to remove the cladding, he said it is
1:44:28 > 1:44:35up to them to do it. It is up to them, when he has cut their money
1:44:35 > 1:44:38millions and millions and millions cut from councils and Fire Services.
1:44:38 > 1:44:42Those people out there don't trust, never mind the council, they don't
1:44:42 > 1:44:46trust the Government, and they have proved they can't be trusted.
1:44:46 > 1:44:54Platitudes, PR, that is what it is about. They can spot clap at 100
1:44:54 > 1:44:59yards, my residents can, and that is what they hear.I required to
1:44:59 > 1:45:05apologise for your use of the C-word, because somebody will
1:45:05 > 1:45:09complain.I'm sure they will, but it is a lot less problematic than
1:45:09 > 1:45:12soberly burning to death, and I'm sure they hear a lot worse than that
1:45:12 > 1:45:17on radio, TV, and certainly in their everyday lives. Think about those
1:45:17 > 1:45:22people burning when you worry about what I said as a C-word, I could say
1:45:22 > 1:45:25a lot worse than that. But I'm not going to. I'm sorry if you're
1:45:25 > 1:45:30offended, but I'm offended by you thinking those people should just
1:45:30 > 1:45:35suck it up and take it, it is just a story. It is not a story for those
1:45:35 > 1:45:39people out there. They lost everything. They are suffering,
1:45:39 > 1:45:42traumatised, depressed, and they have no trust, never mind in the
1:45:42 > 1:45:48council, but in the whole system, and Martin Moore-Bick, the inquiry,
1:45:48 > 1:45:52they are refusing to let us, the Labour group, speak about and
1:45:52 > 1:45:56represent our residents in the inquiry. Three times they have tried
1:45:56 > 1:46:00to stop us. The Conservative councils could go there, but not as
1:46:00 > 1:46:04Labour councillors, and we are going to change that, it is another stitch
1:46:04 > 1:46:07up, the people don't trust the inquiry in the same when they don't
1:46:07 > 1:46:11trust the Government. Thank you very much for coming on
1:46:11 > 1:46:16the programme. Pat Mason, a Labour council in the area around Grenfell
1:46:16 > 1:46:17Tower.
1:46:19 > 1:46:21Three people have been hurt after a gas explosion destroyed
1:46:21 > 1:46:24a house and damaged several others in Birstall, north of Leicester.
1:46:24 > 1:46:27Our correspondent Sarah Teale is at the scene.
1:46:27 > 1:46:34Tell us more, Sarah.Well, hello, well, we are at the scene. We are
1:46:34 > 1:46:37outside the Cordon and ukz in the distance a house that's been
1:46:37 > 1:46:41completely destroyed in this explosion. Now we're told that it
1:46:41 > 1:46:47happened at about 7.30am and the noise was so loud that people living
1:46:47 > 1:46:50in villages miles away reported hearing it. Now the Fire Service
1:46:50 > 1:46:54have told us that that semidetached property has been completely
1:46:54 > 1:47:01destroyed and the one next door, another semidetached, obviously, has
1:47:01 > 1:47:04been partially destroyed. A significant number of houses have
1:47:04 > 1:47:08had their windows blasted out, there are roof tiles off ceilings and some
1:47:08 > 1:47:13of the cars have also been damaged. So it's a citying explosion and we
1:47:13 > 1:47:18are doing told it is treated as a very serious incident. They have
1:47:18 > 1:47:21evacuated as a precaution a number of properties on this road, about
1:47:21 > 1:47:2720, on each side and those people have been taken to the village hall
1:47:27 > 1:47:29and placed in emergency accommodation or with relatives. A
1:47:29 > 1:47:37while ago I spoke to one of the people who lives on this street,
1:47:37 > 1:47:40Tony Timson, but he was one of the first on the scene this morning.I
1:47:40 > 1:47:46was in bed. I heard this massive explosion. It was around about
1:47:46 > 1:47:507.30am. I looked out the window and I saw debris on the street. I came
1:47:50 > 1:47:55out of the house and looked across the road, about 100 yards down the
1:47:55 > 1:48:00road, there was a house with a big, black, puff of smoke and it was
1:48:00 > 1:48:02completely demolished. I knew someone was in there. A few more
1:48:02 > 1:48:09people came out as well. We were uming and ahing what to do. We
1:48:09 > 1:48:13phoned the police and within ten minutes its Fire Brigade were here
1:48:13 > 1:48:20and they told us to move back.Well, one of those people who was
1:48:20 > 1:48:23seriously injured, was taken by air ambulance to property with serious
1:48:23 > 1:48:28injuries. Two other people have also been taken to hospital. Now, work
1:48:28 > 1:48:33continues to work out exactly what has happened here. There is a
1:48:33 > 1:48:36significant number of people, gas engineers, the National Grid, dozens
1:48:36 > 1:48:40of fire crews and the police trying to put right what has happened and
1:48:40 > 1:48:47to work out exactly what took place. Thank you very much, Sarah.
1:48:47 > 1:48:51Saudi Arabia says it will lift the ban on public
1:48:51 > 1:48:53cinemas early next year.
1:48:53 > 1:48:56It's part of a series of reforms taking place in the country
1:48:56 > 1:48:58including lifting a ban on women driving.
1:48:58 > 1:49:00For more on this we can speak to Baria Alamuddin,
1:49:00 > 1:49:08who is the foreign editor of the Arabic newspaper Al-Hayat.
1:49:08 > 1:49:14So this ban lasted three decades. Why was it first introduced?It was
1:49:14 > 1:49:22sfwro duced in the 70s -- intlo duced in the 70s. Before that women
1:49:22 > 1:49:27in Saudi Arabia were driving, they weren't wearing very strong veils
1:49:27 > 1:49:37etcetera. So life changed for Saudi Arabia in 1976.Right. And the first
1:49:37 > 1:49:43cinema expected to open in March 2018. How is it being greeted?Well,
1:49:43 > 1:49:49it's greeted with great joy. I just came back from Saudi Arabia and I
1:49:49 > 1:49:53saw huge transformation in the country. I haven't been there for
1:49:53 > 1:49:58six months and I have talked to lots and lots of women. I must say the
1:49:58 > 1:50:03women driving was a mixed message. Some said, "No, I would be afraid to
1:50:03 > 1:50:07be amongst the first women driving." Women don't have confidence with
1:50:07 > 1:50:10other women driving. They think there will be lots of accidents
1:50:10 > 1:50:16etcetera, but I think this will go away very, very quickly. It is
1:50:16 > 1:50:20interesting that I have been asked to have a conversation with John
1:50:20 > 1:50:27Travolta next week on stage this week actually, not next week, in
1:50:27 > 1:50:32Riyadh. John Travolta on stage. I thought that was something.What
1:50:32 > 1:50:36does that say? What's the significance of that?It says that
1:50:36 > 1:50:39the transformation is happening. It is happening quickly. It is not only
1:50:39 > 1:50:42women driving and it is not only that there is every week or every
1:50:42 > 1:50:48day something of some kind of concert, music, or singing,
1:50:48 > 1:50:54sometimes it is only men, sometimes it's men and women like we have seen
1:50:54 > 1:50:58but it means it is happening. It is happening very quickly. Even for the
1:50:58 > 1:51:01people of Saudi Arabia, they cannot believe how quickly it is happening.
1:51:01 > 1:51:06People are taking it with mixed messages. Some people welcome that.
1:51:06 > 1:51:12Some people think it's time this happened, especially the young. Some
1:51:12 > 1:51:18of the constituents that are far from the main cities are not very
1:51:18 > 1:51:22happy about it, I must say. I guess the country is moving on and there
1:51:22 > 1:51:28is no going back.Although, there are some who are warning that about
1:51:28 > 1:51:34the depravity of cinemas. That they will corrupt morals.Yes. Of course,
1:51:34 > 1:51:39but this is expected. Most Saudis I know sometimes I visit Bahrain as
1:51:39 > 1:51:45well and you would see cars come iffing from Saudi Arabia, mainly to
1:51:45 > 1:51:50go to the movies or to go to restaurants etcetera. Now, the
1:51:50 > 1:51:55Saudis have it at hom and this is indeed the majority, I would say,
1:51:55 > 1:51:59welcome this transformation.But will there be restrictions on the
1:51:59 > 1:52:09kind of films that will be shown? Will there be any censorship?With
1:52:09 > 1:52:14romantic movies or kissing or explicit sexual scenes, I'm sure
1:52:14 > 1:52:21about that, 100%. Absolutely there will be.What else do you think will
1:52:21 > 1:52:27be reformed under the crown prince? A lot. People are talking about
1:52:27 > 1:52:30changes in the education system which is very much needed. Women in
1:52:30 > 1:52:35the workplace which is very much needed. We know now that women are
1:52:35 > 1:52:40working in practically every sector. I went to visit some underground
1:52:40 > 1:52:45areas, they are fixing the metro stations and creating metro
1:52:45 > 1:52:49programme and inside Riyadh and I have seen lots of women engineers
1:52:49 > 1:52:52working there. That was a revelation. People tell me that they
1:52:52 > 1:52:59have been there for years. It is just that it is being talked about.
1:52:59 > 1:53:02A friend of mine xhos daughter is becoming a commercial pilot for
1:53:02 > 1:53:10example. You know, you go to the kingdom now and you see a completely
1:53:10 > 1:53:14atmosphere especially, especially with the young and with the class
1:53:14 > 1:53:19people. They see lots of opportunities everywhere, especially
1:53:19 > 1:53:22for women and this is welcome. Thank you very much. Thank you.
1:53:22 > 1:53:25Thank you for coming on the programme.
1:53:26 > 1:53:28Efforts to contain ongoing wildfires in southern California are focussing
1:53:28 > 1:53:32on a blaze which threatens the city of Santa Barbara.
1:53:32 > 1:53:35The Thomas Fire, as it's known, has become one of the largest
1:53:35 > 1:53:37in the state's history.
1:53:37 > 1:53:40It has damaged an area greater than that of New York City.
1:53:40 > 1:53:42Residents in coastal beach communities have
1:53:42 > 1:53:50been ordered to leave.
1:53:50 > 1:53:52A firefighter pledged that he and his colleagues
1:53:52 > 1:53:58would work for as long as it took to stop the fires.
1:53:58 > 1:54:03Hot and heavy, it moved down into this community which you see behind
1:54:03 > 1:54:07you, is really unfortunate, but if you turn around and see what these
1:54:07 > 1:54:11guys saved last night, what they did last night, was amazing. They saved
1:54:11 > 1:54:16this entire community. We have been up, I met 29 hour straight every
1:54:16 > 1:54:20other day. Everybody on this division, 28, 29 hour, we are
1:54:20 > 1:54:24exhausted, but they are not coming off until this is done.
1:54:24 > 1:54:28Jason Swift is a resident in Santa Barbara.
1:54:28 > 1:54:34The flames are a few miles from his home.It has been the worst fire
1:54:34 > 1:54:40that most people in this area have ever seen in the last 24 hours, the
1:54:40 > 1:54:45fire has really spread quickly, gaining between 55 and 60,000 acres,
1:54:45 > 1:54:50since just this morning in less than 24 hours.How worried are you from
1:54:50 > 1:54:59where you are?We are literally about 100 yards from one of the
1:54:59 > 1:55:03voluntary evacuation regions, but the fire itself is probably as the
1:55:03 > 1:55:09crow flies four to five miles away. It won't take much more to go from
1:55:09 > 1:55:12being the fifth largest fire in California history to the largest
1:55:12 > 1:55:17fire in California history. I think it only has to get 50,000 or 60,000
1:55:17 > 1:55:23more acres to do that and there is a lot of wilderness to our north that
1:55:23 > 1:55:27would easily burn.And what do you see from your home? Can you describe
1:55:27 > 1:55:36that for us?It has been mainly at least from here, it has been mostly
1:55:36 > 1:55:40just yellow, orange brown sky and I'm originally from Montana, a much
1:55:40 > 1:55:45colder place and in December, I'm used to seeing snow falling from the
1:55:45 > 1:55:49sky and having snow on the grown whereas right now, it's the fire
1:55:49 > 1:55:55equivalent of that, where there is ash covering everything and ash just
1:55:55 > 1:56:02falling from the sky. It is getting into people's homes and I've never
1:56:02 > 1:56:07seen in my life more residents of one area wearing masks to protect
1:56:07 > 1:56:11their breathing than I have in the last seven days.
1:56:11 > 1:56:13Jason Swift.
1:56:13 > 1:56:15Melissa Wants lives in Ventura, where over 130 buildings have
1:56:15 > 1:56:20reportedly been destroyed by the wildfires.
1:56:20 > 1:56:25Thank you very much for talking to our British audience. How alarmed
1:56:25 > 1:56:34are you?Well, the fire started here basically a week ago on Monday night
1:56:34 > 1:56:39and it was very alarming at the time. It burnt through about 14
1:56:39 > 1:56:48miles in less than two hours coming from the east side of our area into
1:56:48 > 1:56:52our city and basically right into my back yard and burning down a
1:56:52 > 1:56:56building right on top of us on the hill that we thought was going to
1:56:56 > 1:57:01collapse on to our house. Fortunately, it did not and so we're
1:57:01 > 1:57:09lucky to be here and to have our home still.Right. Are you really
1:57:09 > 1:57:13reliant on the direction of the wind as to how it is going to go next?
1:57:13 > 1:57:19Yeah, it has been touch and go here more about a week actually. There
1:57:19 > 1:57:25are spot fires that erupting through the city, like palm trees are
1:57:25 > 1:57:30catching on fire, but for the most part, it's the major part of it is
1:57:30 > 1:57:37up in Santa Barbara which is 20 or so miles away and our town is sort
1:57:37 > 1:57:41of, I wouldn't say we're relaxing yet, but we're trying to get back to
1:57:41 > 1:57:45normal, I guess.Yes. In fact the Governor of California said this
1:57:45 > 1:57:49might be the new normal, you know, to expect fires if not every year
1:57:49 > 1:57:55then every few years?Yes. I don't know if it's global warming. It sure
1:57:55 > 1:58:02seems like it. We've never had this sustained dryness and the heat, I
1:58:02 > 1:58:07mean, it is 82, 83 degrees in December for a week on end with the
1:58:07 > 1:58:11hot, hot wind and very little humidity and we live a few blocks
1:58:11 > 1:58:15from the ocean. So normally, even if it's warm, it is still humid here.
1:58:15 > 1:58:19That is just not the case. Thank you very much, Melissa, thank
1:58:19 > 1:58:22you. Thank you for your company today. We
1:58:22 > 1:58:26will be back tomorrow at 9am. Have a very good day.