12/12/2017

0:00:08 > 0:00:10Hello it's Tuesday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

0:00:10 > 0:00:13welcome to the programme.

0:00:13 > 0:00:16Our top story - about half a million children and young people -

0:00:16 > 0:00:18some as young as 11 - gamble every week,

0:00:18 > 0:00:26a Gambling Commission report claims today.

0:00:26 > 0:00:30Everywhere people are talking about how much money they have lost on

0:00:30 > 0:00:35gambling sites.He ended up losing about 1200 of it.I know someone

0:00:35 > 0:00:39aged ten and who has lost about £2000.

0:00:39 > 0:00:41The report highlights what's known as "skins gambling" -

0:00:41 > 0:00:43which lets players gamble with virtual items like currency

0:00:43 > 0:00:46and then swap them for money.

0:00:46 > 0:00:47We'll explain what it is before 10am.

0:00:47 > 0:00:50Also on the programme, an insight into life of a male sex

0:00:50 > 0:00:52workers in Britain - the unheard voices

0:00:52 > 0:01:00of the sex industry.

0:01:00 > 0:01:04I see mainly single men, a large proportion of them are gay and out.

0:01:04 > 0:01:08But also a lot of them are married.

0:01:08 > 0:01:11And - the former wife of serial killer Levi Bellfield tells this

0:01:11 > 0:01:13programme she lives with the guilt that she didn't report him

0:01:13 > 0:01:15to the police sooner.

0:01:28 > 0:01:32Hello.

0:01:32 > 0:01:35Welcome to the programme, between now and 11am we'll bring

0:01:35 > 0:01:41you the latest news, sport and interviews

0:01:41 > 0:01:48and - should women be paid to breastfeed?

0:01:48 > 0:01:51We would very much like to hear from mums AND dads on this.

0:01:51 > 0:01:54A trial involving 10,000 new mums suggests if they are given shopping

0:01:54 > 0:01:56vouchers then breastfeeding rates go up - only by 6% but

0:01:56 > 0:01:57they go up nonetheless.

0:01:57 > 0:02:01And Britain has one of the lowest rates in Europe. If you are a parent

0:02:01 > 0:02:04would do you think?

0:02:04 > 0:02:06Our top story today - four people are being questioned

0:02:06 > 0:02:08on suspicion of murder, after three children died

0:02:08 > 0:02:10in a house fire in Salford, early yesterday morning.

0:02:10 > 0:02:13Their mother and another three year-old child remain in a serious

0:02:13 > 0:02:14condition in hospital.

0:02:14 > 0:02:18Our correspondent Dave Guest is at the scene in Worsley.

0:02:18 > 0:02:25What is the latest? The latest is those arrests

0:02:25 > 0:02:31overnight, it was 5am yesterday the fire broke out on this street in

0:02:31 > 0:02:33greater Manchester when firefighters arrived they found a mid-terraced

0:02:33 > 0:02:37house midway down the street well ablaze. Two 16-year-old boys had

0:02:37 > 0:02:42escaped but a mother and her four children were trapped inside. They

0:02:42 > 0:02:46were rescued but a 14-year-old girl was pronounced dead at the scene, a

0:02:46 > 0:02:50seven-year-old girl and an aged old boy, brother and sister, were

0:02:50 > 0:02:56pronounced dead in hospital. Still in hospital is the mother, Michelle,

0:02:56 > 0:03:00as his her three-year-old girl. Overnight we saw the arrests after

0:03:00 > 0:03:05the police announced this was not just a tragic accident but a murder

0:03:05 > 0:03:09investigation. Four people, three men and a woman arrested on

0:03:09 > 0:03:13suspicion of murder and a man arrested on suspicion of assisting

0:03:13 > 0:03:18an offender. This is a tragedy which has affected the whole community.

0:03:18 > 0:03:21Flowers started arriving and last night a church opened its doors so

0:03:21 > 0:03:26people could go and light a candle and say a prayer for those who have

0:03:26 > 0:03:29lost their lives. And the mother and daughter who are still fighting for

0:03:29 > 0:03:32their lives in hospital.

0:03:34 > 0:03:37Ben is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of the rest

0:03:37 > 0:03:39of the days news.

0:03:39 > 0:03:41Temperatures of minus 13 celsius have been recorded in Shropshire

0:03:41 > 0:03:44on what was the coldest night of the year so far.

0:03:44 > 0:03:47Hundreds of schools have been closed across England and Wales,

0:03:47 > 0:03:49and motorists are being warned to take care in hazardous

0:03:49 > 0:03:50driving conditions.

0:03:50 > 0:03:53Tom Burridge has the latest.

0:04:00 > 0:04:05Freezing ice on the roads is expected to be a problem in much of

0:04:05 > 0:04:10the country. As temperatures drop to record lows. In parts of Wales

0:04:10 > 0:04:15temperatures dropped to around minus ten. The village in Shropshire was

0:04:15 > 0:04:25the coldest, are perishing minus 13. At Kew Gardens it was -3.7. So with

0:04:25 > 0:04:29lots of snow still around from yesterday and the weekend, it will

0:04:29 > 0:04:34be hard going as roads turned icy this morning. It looks stunning from

0:04:34 > 0:04:38up here but there are weather warnings for snow and ice in Eastern

0:04:38 > 0:04:43Scotland and Eastern England and the ice in Northern Ireland, Wales, the

0:04:43 > 0:04:47Midlands, and the South and south-east of England. But fun for

0:04:47 > 0:04:54some as hundreds of schools closed again.

0:04:54 > 0:04:56The US ambassador to Britain says he expects Donald Trump to visit

0:04:56 > 0:04:59the UK in the new year despite his recent Twitter

0:04:59 > 0:05:00row with Theresa May.

0:05:00 > 0:05:02Woody Johnson told BBC Radio 4's Today programme

0:05:02 > 0:05:05that the disagreement was "probably misinterpreted".

0:05:05 > 0:05:08Mrs May had said Mr Trump was "wrong" to share videos posted

0:05:08 > 0:05:11by the far-right group Britain First, prompting an online

0:05:11 > 0:05:18backlash from the US President.

0:05:18 > 0:05:22A radical change to the rules around organ donation in England is being

0:05:22 > 0:05:27unveiled today as ministers launch a consultation on moving to a system

0:05:27 > 0:05:31of presumed consent. The reform would mean opting out of being a

0:05:31 > 0:05:35donor rather than the current scheme of opting in, Wales has already

0:05:35 > 0:05:39taken the approach and the Scottish Government plan to deduce a similar

0:05:39 > 0:05:41scheme. Dominic Hughes reports.

0:05:41 > 0:05:43Offering a stranger the gift of life is what lies

0:05:43 > 0:05:46at the heart of organ donation.

0:05:46 > 0:05:49These are the names of those who've helped some of the 6,500 people

0:05:49 > 0:05:52who need a transplant each year, but around 450 will die before

0:05:52 > 0:05:54a donor can be found.

0:05:54 > 0:05:56The family of Adrian Williams were happy to support

0:05:56 > 0:06:00his decision to donate.

0:06:00 > 0:06:03When you lose someone, and they've given that gift,

0:06:03 > 0:06:07that huge gift, you're immensely proud of them and it fills

0:06:07 > 0:06:10you with comfort that other families are actually enjoying the lives

0:06:10 > 0:06:14of their loved ones, where they may not have done,

0:06:14 > 0:06:18because of something that our Ade has done for them.

0:06:18 > 0:06:23The past decade has seen a big surge in donors across the UK.

0:06:23 > 0:06:27In 2007, there were around 790 deceased donors.

0:06:27 > 0:06:31That's now risen to more than 1400.

0:06:31 > 0:06:35The number of registered donors has gone up from 14 million

0:06:35 > 0:06:38to more than 23 million.

0:06:38 > 0:06:40But ministers are concerned that four out of ten

0:06:40 > 0:06:45families say no to donation, so are proposing a system

0:06:45 > 0:06:47where it's assumed we are all willing to be donors.

0:06:47 > 0:06:50The issue of presumed consent is one thing we are looking at.

0:06:50 > 0:06:55What we need is much better communication inside families

0:06:55 > 0:06:58so that people know what family members actually want.

0:06:58 > 0:07:00There are some concerns that moving to a system

0:07:00 > 0:07:04where there is an assumption we are willing to donate

0:07:04 > 0:07:06could be counter-productive, undoing the good work of recent

0:07:06 > 0:07:08years by raising fears over the government having

0:07:08 > 0:07:15a claim on our organs.

0:07:15 > 0:07:19The industry regulator for gambling is warning that children as young as

0:07:19 > 0:07:2311 are using a so-called skin betting websites which let players

0:07:23 > 0:07:27gamble with virtual items as currency. Once those items are won

0:07:27 > 0:07:33online, using modified guns or knives within a video game which is

0:07:33 > 0:07:37known as a skin, they can be sold and turned back to real money. It's

0:07:37 > 0:07:40part of a wider report for the gambling commission which says

0:07:40 > 0:07:46around half a million children and young people gamble every week.

0:07:46 > 0:07:50Clive Lewis has been cleared by the party of sexual harassment, he was

0:07:50 > 0:07:56put under investigation last month, he was investigated after claims he

0:07:56 > 0:08:00groped her in the Labour conference in Brighton. Mr Lewis denied the

0:08:00 > 0:08:03accusation and said he was pleased to put it behind him.

0:08:03 > 0:08:06Research seen by this programme suggests that 12% of male sex

0:08:06 > 0:08:08workers have been sexually assaulted and that over 70%

0:08:08 > 0:08:11would be unlikely to report crimes to the police.

0:08:11 > 0:08:13It's estimated there are as many as 100,000 sex

0:08:13 > 0:08:20workers across the UK - 20% of which are thought to be men.

0:08:20 > 0:08:22Later in the programme, we'll hear from four male sex workers

0:08:22 > 0:08:25about their experiences.

0:08:25 > 0:08:27Offering new mothers cash incentives could significantly increase

0:08:27 > 0:08:32breastfeeding rates according to a new study.

0:08:32 > 0:08:36More than 10,000 new mums were offered shopping vouchers worth

0:08:36 > 0:08:39up to £120 if babies received breast milk at two days, 10

0:08:39 > 0:08:43days and six weeks old.

0:08:43 > 0:08:46A further £80 of vouchers was available if they continued

0:08:46 > 0:08:48to receive breast milk up to six months.

0:08:48 > 0:08:52Adina Campbell reports.

0:08:52 > 0:08:58Breast-feeding the newest member of the Sutcliffe family is a lot

0:08:58 > 0:09:00easier a second time around but, after Fiona's first daughter

0:09:00 > 0:09:02was born, she was spurred on by shopping vouchers

0:09:02 > 0:09:06during the toughest moments.

0:09:06 > 0:09:08It really encouraged me to keep going, especially when the night

0:09:08 > 0:09:13was quite difficult and I thought about giving up breast-feeding

0:09:13 > 0:09:16but that was another incentive to keep going,

0:09:16 > 0:09:19and especially given it's so easy to sort of claim the vouchers.

0:09:19 > 0:09:22Fiona was one of more than 10,000 mums who took part

0:09:22 > 0:09:25in a study over 18 months.

0:09:25 > 0:09:27They were offered up to £200 in shopping vouchers at five

0:09:27 > 0:09:31different stages of breast-feeding.

0:09:31 > 0:09:34£40 at two days old and the same amount at ten days, six weeks,

0:09:34 > 0:09:43three months and six months.

0:09:43 > 0:09:45Before getting the vouchers, claim forms were signed off

0:09:45 > 0:09:48by midwives or health visitors during visits.

0:09:48 > 0:09:50Overall, the breast-feeding rates went up by 6%,

0:09:50 > 0:09:55which researchers believe is a big difference.

0:09:55 > 0:09:56We do know that biologically and physiologically,

0:09:56 > 0:10:00we are designed to breast-feed.

0:10:00 > 0:10:05We know that 99% of women, given the right support, can breast-feed.

0:10:05 > 0:10:07There are plenty of benefits to breast-feeding but these mums

0:10:07 > 0:10:12in Sheffield have mixed views about being paid to do it.

0:10:12 > 0:10:15I don't think, you know, it should really be monetary.

0:10:15 > 0:10:18And I think some people might get persuaded just because of the money.

0:10:18 > 0:10:20If you can't do it, it's fine, too.

0:10:20 > 0:10:23But, yeah, having an incentive wiill definitely help and just get

0:10:23 > 0:10:26the message out there.

0:10:26 > 0:10:30The UK has some of the lowest breast-feeding rates in the world.

0:10:30 > 0:10:33Researchers say vouchers are a small price to pay with long-term benefits

0:10:33 > 0:10:35to babies and the NHS.

0:10:35 > 0:10:41Adina Campbell, BBC News.

0:10:43 > 0:10:50On Twitter, I am tired of best is breast, with the same logic women

0:10:50 > 0:10:57who give birth naturally should be given vouchers compare to those who

0:10:57 > 0:11:02get a C section as it is lest costly. Another says that many women

0:11:02 > 0:11:06would like to breast-feed but cannot, does the pressure not add to

0:11:06 > 0:11:14their already unrealistic guilt? Another says I'd breast-fed all of

0:11:14 > 0:11:18my children for over a year, there was no need to offer payment, please

0:11:18 > 0:11:23do not waste any more of the state's money. We would like to talk to you

0:11:23 > 0:11:27especially if you have just had a baby and can spare us on it. We'll

0:11:27 > 0:11:34be talking to some mothers later on. Let's get the sport.

0:11:34 > 0:11:38England's cricketers preparing for a game they cannot lose.

0:11:38 > 0:11:43They cannot, they are 2-0 down in the Ashes and are in Perth ahead of

0:11:43 > 0:11:48the third test, lots of criticism not just further performances, they

0:11:48 > 0:11:58have lost in both games, some problems off the field as well, a

0:11:58 > 0:12:02lot of headlines being made, Jonny Bairstow earlier in the tour, in

0:12:02 > 0:12:08Perth in a bar with a rather curious head-butt greeting for Cameron

0:12:08 > 0:12:13Bancroft of Australia and last week, Ben Duckett in the same bar, one of

0:12:13 > 0:12:17the England Lions joining the main squad, pouring his pint over the

0:12:17 > 0:12:23head of Jimmy Anderson. They have come in for an awful lot of flick.

0:12:23 > 0:12:26Michael Vaughan the former England captain says they are acting like

0:12:26 > 0:12:33students and the next one to step out of line should go home. You sort

0:12:33 > 0:12:37Joe Root, the England captain, Michael Vaughan says some of the

0:12:37 > 0:12:41senior players should be held accountable and need to get

0:12:41 > 0:12:45everybody in line. Alastair Cook is an elder statesman of the side and

0:12:45 > 0:12:50he was asked about all of this field controversy overnight.I don't think

0:12:50 > 0:12:54we are getting painted fairly in the media because, on our culture,

0:12:54 > 0:12:58clearly there has been a couple of things, it sounds silly me saying

0:12:58 > 0:13:04it, but the media have brought that up. But the world has changed after

0:13:04 > 0:13:07the September incidents so it's down to us to adjust to that and we

0:13:07 > 0:13:12cannot afford any more mistakes because we understand the stakes,

0:13:12 > 0:13:15the ECB and responses, trying to make kids play cricket is what we

0:13:15 > 0:13:22want to do ultimately.Alastair Cook will win his 150th cap in the third

0:13:22 > 0:13:25test and he needs some runs to go with it.

0:13:25 > 0:13:29He does and you have been talking to a former England cricket captain who

0:13:29 > 0:13:37also got in trouble on the Ashes? David Gower, his century in 1978 was

0:13:37 > 0:13:42the last time England won at the waca but in 1991 he infamously did

0:13:42 > 0:13:49this with his fellow pilot player, Secunda and a tiger moth and buzzing

0:13:49 > 0:13:56the field. They were both fined £1000 and David Gower never quite

0:13:56 > 0:13:59played the same again. I spoke to him recently and asked him about

0:13:59 > 0:14:05England's issues.If you go back through the years, go back to my

0:14:05 > 0:14:10era, players let offer not a lot of steam on tour. If you are away for

0:14:10 > 0:14:14three or four months nobody expects you to be a monk and everyone is

0:14:14 > 0:14:17expected to have a drink at some stage and there was breaches of

0:14:17 > 0:14:21discipline is way back when, some of which were allowed to pass, some of

0:14:21 > 0:14:26which were dealt with severely and people got on with life. The key

0:14:26 > 0:14:30thing as ever in these situations is if you are producing the right

0:14:30 > 0:14:37results on the pitch then people are very forgiving. We had, I remember a

0:14:37 > 0:14:43one-year against New Zealand, we were found in a wine bar at 1am,

0:14:43 > 0:14:47leaving at 1am, they had headlines ready to go in the papers the next

0:14:47 > 0:14:53day slamming us for being out of order but we won the game so the

0:14:53 > 0:14:56headline was Heck, heck, hurray.

0:15:02 > 0:15:08It's estimated there are as many as 100,000 sex

0:15:08 > 0:15:11workers across the UK - though some believe the true

0:15:11 > 0:15:12figure to be far higher.

0:15:12 > 0:15:15More often that not when we talk about sex workers,

0:15:15 > 0:15:19we focus on female prostitutes.

0:15:19 > 0:15:22But around 20% of them are men and their voices are very

0:15:22 > 0:15:23rarely heard in debates about decriminalisation and safety.

0:15:23 > 0:15:29Research seen by this programme suggests that 12% of male sex

0:15:29 > 0:15:32workers have been sexually assaulted and that over 70%

0:15:32 > 0:15:36would be unlikely to report crimes to the police.

0:15:36 > 0:15:39We've spent time with four male sex workers who talk candidly

0:15:39 > 0:15:42about their own experience and why they got into the profession.

0:15:42 > 0:15:43Our reporter Mike Cowan's report contains upsetting testimony

0:15:43 > 0:15:48Our reporter Mike Cowan's report contains upsetting testimony

0:15:48 > 0:15:52and interviews that may not be suitable for children.

0:15:54 > 0:15:58Across Britain, there's up to 100,000 sex workers.

0:15:58 > 0:16:02Around 20% of them are men.

0:16:02 > 0:16:09The most vulnerable say to survive, they have no choice.

0:16:09 > 0:16:14I started off with one or two people a night, then more, more.

0:16:14 > 0:16:20Others see it as a positive choice.

0:16:20 > 0:16:22It would be a full service for that, it would be 150.

0:16:22 > 0:16:27For some, it's just extra income.

0:16:27 > 0:16:30Sex work is something that I've used to supplement my income

0:16:30 > 0:16:34and also to use to allow me to start my own business.

0:16:34 > 0:16:37For others, drug-taking is demanded of them by clients.

0:16:37 > 0:16:39It basically involves getting high and having sex together.

0:16:39 > 0:16:41Often for extended periods of time.

0:16:41 > 0:16:44These are their stories.

0:16:44 > 0:16:53These are the men for sale.

0:16:53 > 0:16:55We've gained rare access to four male sex workers who spoke candidly

0:16:55 > 0:16:58about their experiences.

0:16:58 > 0:17:04To protect their identity, some names and voices have been changed.

0:17:04 > 0:17:08It's early afternoon in East London and Daniel has just

0:17:08 > 0:17:11finished his first appointment of the day.

0:17:11 > 0:17:15After dropping out of university, he turned to sex work and has

0:17:15 > 0:17:17been doing it full-time for the last decade.

0:17:17 > 0:17:19You were with one of your clients?

0:17:19 > 0:17:20Yeah.

0:17:20 > 0:17:25Is that a regular client?

0:17:25 > 0:17:29No, it's a new client. I moved here about six months ago.

0:17:29 > 0:17:32I'm just building up my client base at the moment.

0:17:32 > 0:17:36I see mainly single men.

0:17:36 > 0:17:39A large proportion of them are gay and out.

0:17:39 > 0:17:41But also, a lot of them are married.

0:17:41 > 0:17:46What age brackets do they tend to be in?

0:17:46 > 0:17:50Generally, I would say they fall between 35 and 80.

0:17:50 > 0:17:52I had 85, that was probably my oldest.

0:17:52 > 0:17:58How much do you charge per hour?

0:17:58 > 0:18:02I charge massage rates of 100, but most of my customers have paid

0:18:02 > 0:18:04150 for a single hour and for successive hours,

0:18:04 > 0:18:11they pay an extra 50.

0:18:11 > 0:18:18For an overnight, they would usually pay 250,

0:18:18 > 0:18:20but maybe upwards if they wanted to play for longer.

0:18:20 > 0:18:22For that money, is that whatever the client wants?

0:18:22 > 0:18:27I have boundaries, which is usually unsafe sex and drug-taking.

0:18:27 > 0:18:34So, yeah, if they were wanting any kind of dominance

0:18:34 > 0:18:36or submission scenario, then that would be within...

0:18:36 > 0:18:37Within my rate.

0:18:37 > 0:18:40If they want any kind of top or bottom scenario, again,

0:18:40 > 0:18:43that would be within the rate.

0:18:43 > 0:18:46Experts estimate 80% of male sex workers have an online presence.

0:18:46 > 0:18:49And Daniel is no different.

0:18:49 > 0:18:54He legally advertises his services through apps and websites.

0:18:54 > 0:18:56We spent the evening with him, to see what his

0:18:56 > 0:18:57busy periods are like.

0:18:57 > 0:19:00They start at 6pm and go on until 4am.

0:19:00 > 0:19:06So, you've just got a message?

0:19:06 > 0:19:08Yeah, someone asking if I do sensual body to body massage

0:19:08 > 0:19:10and what are my rates for that.

0:19:10 > 0:19:17What did you send back?

0:19:17 > 0:19:19I said my rate are 100 for an in-call.

0:19:19 > 0:19:22So, they come and visit me 100 and 150 out.

0:19:22 > 0:19:23So they said, "Thank you".

0:19:23 > 0:19:26So I think that means probably my rates are too high.

0:19:26 > 0:19:28So, if I've not worked by 11pm or something,

0:19:28 > 0:19:31I might consider a lower offer.

0:19:31 > 0:19:34Daniel calls the customer who's been messaging him.

0:19:34 > 0:19:39Hello? Are you OK?

0:19:39 > 0:19:46So, you require one hour, yeah? One hour sensual body-to-body?

0:19:46 > 0:19:50Yeah. Is that going to be at yours, or..?

0:19:50 > 0:19:54It would be, like, a full service for that.

0:19:54 > 0:20:00It would be 150 full service body-to-body massage would be 100.

0:20:00 > 0:20:00OK?

0:20:00 > 0:20:06OK, cheers, bye.

0:20:06 > 0:20:16Yeah, he was looking for a bit more than the massage.

0:20:26 > 0:20:28So, perhaps we go to him later.

0:20:28 > 0:20:30I don't know, depends whether he is willing to pay

0:20:30 > 0:20:32the extra £50 or whether that's what he really wants.

0:20:32 > 0:20:33It sex work legal?

0:20:33 > 0:20:35The short answer is yes.

0:20:35 > 0:20:36You can legally buy and sell sex.

0:20:36 > 0:20:39Where it becomes illegal is when someone is forced to sell

0:20:39 > 0:20:40themselves against their will.

0:20:40 > 0:20:42When someone works from a brothel because brothels are illegal

0:20:42 > 0:20:47or when someone solicits for sex work on the streets.

0:20:47 > 0:20:51Around 5% of male sex workers operate on the street.

0:20:51 > 0:20:54Manchester has the most male street sex workers in the country.

0:20:54 > 0:20:58It's centred underneath the city's famed gay village.

0:20:58 > 0:21:00Hayley Speed works for one of only a handful of organisations across

0:21:00 > 0:21:05the UK that supports these men.

0:21:05 > 0:21:08When we speak to sex workers about when they first got

0:21:08 > 0:21:10involved with sex work, the phrase we hear most commonly is,

0:21:10 > 0:21:12"I started when I was 14, 15."

0:21:12 > 0:21:14That's not sex work when you're 14, 15, that's exploitation.

0:21:14 > 0:21:19But, themselves, wouldn't use that language.

0:21:19 > 0:21:21That's a really common theme, that it started so, so young.

0:21:21 > 0:21:24People tell you these things have happened without any...

0:21:24 > 0:21:25Without seeing it that seriously.

0:21:25 > 0:21:28"Oh my God, I got raped the other night".

0:21:28 > 0:21:30Like, like, they got wet from it raining.

0:21:30 > 0:21:33The normalisation of, kind of, quite extreme behaviours.

0:21:33 > 0:21:36And they kind of, "Oh, do you want to tell the police?"

0:21:36 > 0:21:38"Well, no, it's just part of, you know, it's just

0:21:38 > 0:21:39part of the course".

0:21:39 > 0:21:41Fergal McCullough, who runs the charity along with Hayley,

0:21:41 > 0:21:44took us down to the canalside hub where male street

0:21:44 > 0:21:49workers operate from.

0:21:49 > 0:21:51Although we did meet some male sex workers down here,

0:21:51 > 0:21:54we couldn't film those interactions.

0:21:54 > 0:22:01There may be people coming home from work, wandering through,

0:22:01 > 0:22:04seeing if they can need somebody to, you know, hook up with.

0:22:04 > 0:22:06That tends to happen down there.

0:22:06 > 0:22:10So, people go down there and engage in sex down that end.

0:22:10 > 0:22:14Also, cross over there, as you can see, there's mainline

0:22:14 > 0:22:17drug injecting going on, on that side of things.

0:22:17 > 0:22:20So, it's quite a busy area, really.

0:22:20 > 0:22:23On the scale of sex work, these are some of the most vulnerable men?

0:22:23 > 0:22:24Yeah.

0:22:24 > 0:22:26Guys down here would be that more...

0:22:26 > 0:22:29That end, that more, you know, potentially homeless.

0:22:29 > 0:22:34A lot of them are care leavers.

0:22:34 > 0:22:39If they are not street homeless, they're sofa surfing.

0:22:39 > 0:22:40They're certainly not working.

0:22:40 > 0:22:43I wouldn't necessarily say that the guys that you would meet

0:22:43 > 0:22:46down here have made a rational choice to be in this situation.

0:22:46 > 0:22:47Back at base, we meet Tyler.

0:22:47 > 0:22:50He fled his home town when his family disowned him for being gay.

0:22:50 > 0:22:52Knowing no-one in the city and with no money,

0:22:52 > 0:22:55he was forced onto the streets.

0:22:55 > 0:23:02Within a week, he'd turned to sex work.

0:23:02 > 0:23:05The first time you engaged in that and you did sex work,

0:23:05 > 0:23:08what was that like?

0:23:08 > 0:23:10Straight afterwards, you feel disgusting,

0:23:10 > 0:23:13obviously, but you've got that money, there.

0:23:13 > 0:23:15I started off with one or two people a night.

0:23:15 > 0:23:16Then more.

0:23:16 > 0:23:21Then more.

0:23:21 > 0:23:24And you get to a point where you just shut down.

0:23:24 > 0:23:26Can I ask how much you were earning?

0:23:26 > 0:23:27On the streets?

0:23:27 > 0:23:28Zilch.

0:23:28 > 0:23:3050 quid.

0:23:30 > 0:23:34Sometimes nothing.

0:23:34 > 0:23:38Sometimes they'd take it back and lock you in a car.

0:23:38 > 0:23:40So a punter would lock you in a car?

0:23:40 > 0:23:42And wouldn't let you out until you gave him the money...

0:23:42 > 0:23:43Money back.

0:23:43 > 0:23:45You say you moved away from street work?

0:23:45 > 0:23:46I started to go online.

0:23:46 > 0:23:47Online it's better money.

0:23:47 > 0:23:53A lot better money.

0:23:53 > 0:23:58Research seen exclusively by this programme found over 12% of male sex

0:23:58 > 0:24:00workers they spoke to had been sexually assaulted in

0:24:00 > 0:24:03the last five years.

0:24:03 > 0:24:06The same study found 70% of male respondents were unlikely to report

0:24:06 > 0:24:08crimes to the police.

0:24:08 > 0:24:13You were raped by a client?

0:24:13 > 0:24:17I got a job, I got called to go to a job in a hotel.

0:24:17 > 0:24:19I'd been there an hour or two, having a drink.

0:24:19 > 0:24:21When I went, there was one person.

0:24:21 > 0:24:26And I woke up...

0:24:26 > 0:24:29No clothes on, on the bed, sprawled out, with, like,

0:24:29 > 0:24:33four men naked around me.

0:24:33 > 0:24:34And they'd drugged you?

0:24:34 > 0:24:36Mm-hmm.

0:24:36 > 0:24:39They spiked my drink, so I passed out and within 20

0:24:39 > 0:24:45minutes you're gone for hours.

0:24:45 > 0:24:48So when you woke up and there are four men around you...

0:24:48 > 0:24:53Masterbating and everything, yeah.

0:24:53 > 0:25:00What was going through your head?

0:25:00 > 0:25:04"Um, what to do? Do I get up and leave?

0:25:04 > 0:25:06Or if I try to leave, what will they do?"

0:25:06 > 0:25:12I was just so scared, really.

0:25:12 > 0:25:16I was trying to figure out, were they here before I passed out?

0:25:16 > 0:25:18I just had to get out of there.

0:25:18 > 0:25:19I had to leave.

0:25:19 > 0:25:20They didn't care.

0:25:20 > 0:25:23They really didn't care.

0:25:23 > 0:25:28They just, literally, let me leave, normally.

0:25:28 > 0:25:30Not even worried about if I was going to say anything.

0:25:30 > 0:25:36They just literally didn't care.

0:25:36 > 0:25:40When something like that happened, and you've been doing sex work,

0:25:40 > 0:25:45some sex workers are reticent or afraid to go to the police.

0:25:45 > 0:25:48We went there, you know, not knowing...

0:25:48 > 0:25:53You would never go there if you knew what was going to happen.

0:25:53 > 0:25:56But you are afraid that people are going to be, like, "Well,

0:25:56 > 0:25:58you're a sex worker, it's your own fault".

0:25:58 > 0:25:59I was just afraid.

0:25:59 > 0:26:04Sorry...

0:26:04 > 0:26:08Do you know what really gets me, though?

0:26:08 > 0:26:12Is the fact that because I'm a guy, they think it's not as bad

0:26:12 > 0:26:15as a woman being raped, but it's exactly the same.

0:26:17 > 0:26:21Tyler says he had no choice but to go into sex work.

0:26:21 > 0:26:24But many others elect to do it.

0:26:24 > 0:26:26It's thought 5% of Britain's students have engaged

0:26:26 > 0:26:30in some form of sex work.

0:26:30 > 0:26:34Like Tom, who started while studying.

0:26:34 > 0:26:36And now works in design by day.

0:26:36 > 0:26:40And by night as a sex worker.

0:26:40 > 0:26:43How difficult is it to straddle those two professions?

0:26:43 > 0:26:47To have those two lives, if you like?

0:26:47 > 0:26:50I don't think it's difficult, if you set clear boundaries.

0:26:50 > 0:26:58My career, as I see it, my job during the day, you know,

0:26:58 > 0:27:01sex work is something which I have used to supplement my income.

0:27:01 > 0:27:06It was very useful for me, as a student.

0:27:06 > 0:27:08I could make good money. My hours are flexible.

0:27:08 > 0:27:09I wasn't struggling.

0:27:09 > 0:27:12So, you get to London, you say you don't know anybody...

0:27:12 > 0:27:13Yeah.

0:27:13 > 0:27:14You've got no job.

0:27:14 > 0:27:15Yeah.

0:27:15 > 0:27:18How quickly were you able to set yourself up within the industry?

0:27:18 > 0:27:19Maybe within a month or so.

0:27:19 > 0:27:22I could move to London and I didn't have to work

0:27:22 > 0:27:23in a bar for minimum wage.

0:27:23 > 0:27:27You know, I think that a lot of people might look at what I do,

0:27:27 > 0:27:28you know, find it quite distasteful.

0:27:28 > 0:27:29That's fine, that's their prerogative.

0:27:29 > 0:27:32But for me, the idea of working for minimum wage,

0:27:32 > 0:27:34you know, long hours, it's just perverse.

0:27:34 > 0:27:36So it works for me.

0:27:36 > 0:27:39That's the biggest thing, you know, that I try to get

0:27:39 > 0:27:46across to people, it works for me.

0:27:46 > 0:27:48Drugs and male sex work are inextricably linked.

0:27:48 > 0:27:52Due in large part to chemsex.

0:27:52 > 0:27:54It's a growing trend where drugs are used

0:27:54 > 0:27:56to heighten sexual experience.

0:27:56 > 0:27:59By default, it's become one of the main services

0:27:59 > 0:28:01sex workers now offer.

0:28:01 > 0:28:03The drugs of choice are the methamphetamine, crystal

0:28:03 > 0:28:08meth and the psycho active GHB.

0:28:08 > 0:28:11Toby has been a sex worker for 18 months and now 50%

0:28:11 > 0:28:13of his clients are for chemsex.

0:28:13 > 0:28:21It's got that, sort of, junkie look to it.

0:28:21 > 0:28:24You said it looked quite junkie, do you think of yourself as a junkie?

0:28:24 > 0:28:26No, but when I show someone who doesn't know

0:28:26 > 0:28:30what it is or doesn't do it or even sometimes when I look at it,

0:28:30 > 0:28:32I see how dirty it is.

0:28:32 > 0:28:33I think, "Yeah, that's pretty nasty".

0:28:33 > 0:28:35What is the chemsex scene?

0:28:35 > 0:28:37It basically involves getting high and having sex together.

0:28:37 > 0:28:38Often for extended periods of time.

0:28:38 > 0:28:40That would normally be the case.

0:28:40 > 0:28:43That is possible because of the drugs we take.

0:28:43 > 0:28:46What sort of period of time are we talking?

0:28:46 > 0:28:49Sometimes people will get high and it will be for a few hours.

0:28:49 > 0:28:51You know, it won't be a constant process.

0:28:51 > 0:28:59Sort of, stop-start.

0:28:59 > 0:29:01People will be getting high in the middle of that.

0:29:01 > 0:29:05But in other cases, it will last for a weekend or several days.

0:29:05 > 0:29:08So, before you did sex work, 18 months ago, what were you doing?

0:29:08 > 0:29:15The stuff I was doing was pretty minimum wage kind

0:29:15 > 0:29:17of work, £9 an hour, you know.

0:29:17 > 0:29:20I'd have to work a good 12-hour day to make the same amount of money

0:29:20 > 0:29:22I can make in an hour doing this job.

0:29:22 > 0:29:24Would you say you are addicted?

0:29:24 > 0:29:27If I'm doing the sex work and I'm in my apartment then, yes,

0:29:27 > 0:29:29I am addicted in that environment.

0:29:29 > 0:29:32But if I take myself out of that environment, it's very easy

0:29:32 > 0:29:41not to think about it.

0:29:41 > 0:29:45The drugs used in chemsex are, of course, illegal but sex work

0:29:45 > 0:29:50itself is becoming increasingly legitimate.

0:29:50 > 0:29:53Back in 2015, the Government launched a drive to get sex workers

0:29:53 > 0:29:54to pay tax on their income.

0:29:54 > 0:29:57But it can still be a lonely business.

0:29:57 > 0:29:59Research seen exclusively by this programme found 20% of men

0:29:59 > 0:30:04they spoke to felt isolated.

0:30:04 > 0:30:08Do you have people who you consider friends in your life?

0:30:08 > 0:30:11Umm, I would say only through my work, yeah,

0:30:11 > 0:30:16because that's where I do most of my socialising.

0:30:16 > 0:30:24Yeah, I have a few clients who become close friends.

0:30:24 > 0:30:27Of all the men we spoke to on and off camera,

0:30:27 > 0:30:30when we asked what their families thought about what they did,

0:30:30 > 0:30:34the vast majority refused to talk about it.

0:30:34 > 0:30:37And out of the four we did speak to, three of them would only

0:30:37 > 0:30:39talk to us anonymously, for fear of their

0:30:39 > 0:30:42families finding out.

0:30:52 > 0:30:57Thank you for your comments, Katie says it's such an important story,

0:30:57 > 0:31:03no exposure and hardly anywhere to go for men forced into that life.

0:31:03 > 0:31:07Anthony on Facebook, my personal belief is that sex work should be

0:31:07 > 0:31:13legalised and controlled that way it reduces violence, STI, crime and

0:31:13 > 0:31:17abuse. If somebody wants to sell their body it is theirs to sell. And

0:31:17 > 0:31:22James says the Manchester men's room does fantastic work. He says he's

0:31:22 > 0:31:28watching now Andy West and he wishes he knew of them before.

0:31:28 > 0:31:33More on this after 10am.

0:31:33 > 0:31:36Also after 10am - we'll speak to the ex-wife of serial

0:31:36 > 0:31:38killer Levi Bellfield - about why she feels guilt over

0:31:38 > 0:31:41whether she could have reported him to the police earlier.

0:31:41 > 0:31:44And - a gambling commission report due out in the net few minutes

0:31:44 > 0:31:47is expected to show that about half a million children and young

0:31:47 > 0:31:49people gamble every week - some as young as 11.

0:31:49 > 0:31:57We'll bring you the details as soon as it's released.

0:31:57 > 0:32:01You might be able to hear children and babies in the studio, that is

0:32:01 > 0:32:05because we will be talking about breast-feeding and if mothers should

0:32:05 > 0:32:10be paid effectively, in vouchers, to breast-feed.

0:32:10 > 0:32:16Four people are

0:32:16 > 0:32:19Our top story today - four people are being questioned

0:32:19 > 0:32:21on suspicion of murder, after three children died

0:32:21 > 0:32:23in a house fire in Salford, early yesterday morning.

0:32:23 > 0:32:25Their mother and another three year-old child remain in a serious

0:32:25 > 0:32:26condition in hospital.

0:32:26 > 0:32:28police confirmed they had been in contact with the family very

0:32:28 > 0:32:31recently and had visited the house in the hours before the blaze. The

0:32:31 > 0:32:33case has been referred to the Independent Police Complaints

0:32:33 > 0:32:35Commission.

0:32:35 > 0:32:38Temperatures of minus 13 celsius have been recorded in Shropshire

0:32:38 > 0:32:41on what was the coldest night of the year so far.

0:32:41 > 0:32:50The Met Office has extended yellow warnings for snow and ice

0:32:50 > 0:32:53until later this morning and the AA has warned driving

0:32:53 > 0:32:53could be "hazardous".

0:32:53 > 0:32:56Hundreds of schools will stay closed for a second successive day.

0:32:56 > 0:32:59The US ambassador to Britain says he expects Donald Trump to visit

0:32:59 > 0:33:01the UK in the new year despite his recent Twitter

0:33:01 > 0:33:03row with Theresa May.

0:33:03 > 0:33:04Woody Johnson told BBC Radio 4's Today programme

0:33:04 > 0:33:07that the disagreement was "probably misinterpreted".

0:33:07 > 0:33:10Mrs May had said Mr Trump was "wrong" to share videos posted

0:33:10 > 0:33:14by the far-right group Britain First, prompting an online

0:33:14 > 0:33:23backlash from the US President.

0:33:23 > 0:33:28the industry regulator for gambling is warning that children as young as

0:33:28 > 0:33:3611 are cults -- so-called skin betting websites which lets people

0:33:36 > 0:33:44gamble with items as if they work currency. The items can then be sold

0:33:44 > 0:33:48and turned back into real money. It is part of a wider report for the

0:33:48 > 0:33:59gambling commission. What were you like when you were to end a half?

0:33:59 > 0:34:04You were like that! Of course you were! We will hear more from Edwards

0:34:04 > 0:34:12in a moment after the sport. He is having a great time, it is

0:34:12 > 0:34:17like that here everyday! Here are the headlines, Alastair Cook says

0:34:17 > 0:34:20England's of field disciplinary issues have been overblown by the

0:34:20 > 0:34:24media but accepts they cannot afford to make any more mistakes. England

0:34:24 > 0:34:29are 2-0 down in the Ashes and head of the third test which starts on

0:34:29 > 0:34:32Thursday morning. Conflicting stories emerging of the Manchester

0:34:32 > 0:34:42United and Manchester City practice.

0:34:46 > 0:34:50The Stoke City players were confronted by their own angry fans

0:34:50 > 0:34:55after arriving home by train from their 5-1 defeat at Spurs over the

0:34:55 > 0:34:59weekend. Manager Mark Hughes says it might be the reality check his

0:34:59 > 0:35:02players need. Reigning champions Saracens suffered the heaviest

0:35:02 > 0:35:09European defeat last night, the match had been put back a day

0:35:09 > 0:35:12because of the snow with fans initially banned and then allowed to

0:35:12 > 0:35:20attend the match. That is offer now, full update after 10am.

0:35:20 > 0:35:24Thank you, so many comments about breast-feeding. Shopping vouchers

0:35:24 > 0:35:27would have made no difference to the fact that I could not breast-feed.

0:35:27 > 0:35:32We need to be more honest about how hard it can be. Nobody tells you the

0:35:32 > 0:35:36truth, you're just told it is the most natural thing in the world and

0:35:36 > 0:35:40then feel an immense failure when you cannot do it. The suggestion

0:35:40 > 0:35:43about shopping vouchers makes me feel more frustrated with how out of

0:35:43 > 0:35:49touch professionals are with the tactics they need to employ. This

0:35:49 > 0:35:53text says no, women should not be paid to breast-feed as it will

0:35:53 > 0:35:57further alienate those who cannot manage to do so. After all they have

0:35:57 > 0:36:02two paper bottles and formula, sterilisers and so forth. Women who

0:36:02 > 0:36:06breast-feed are originally financially better off I'm not made

0:36:06 > 0:36:10to feel guilty. I was lucky to be able to feed my son my self and it's

0:36:10 > 0:36:15not easy for many women and many women do not choose to bottle feed

0:36:15 > 0:36:20but cannot manage. Another says absolute rubbish, I was made to feel

0:36:20 > 0:36:27like a failure. Did see a mother be given a reward for breast-feeding is

0:36:27 > 0:36:35another kick in the teeth.

0:36:35 > 0:36:37Let's get the latest inflation figures which have just come out, it

0:36:37 > 0:36:45has risen to its highest level in almost six years. Ben Bland, what is

0:36:45 > 0:36:49inflation?The average prices we play in the shops for all sorts of

0:36:49 > 0:36:52things, the figure we have got today shows us how much those prices

0:36:52 > 0:36:56changed on average in November this year compared with November last

0:36:56 > 0:37:02year, it is a year on year change and the figure is 3.1%. Higher than

0:37:02 > 0:37:07a lot of economists predicted. Previously it had been stable at 3%,

0:37:07 > 0:37:11this means prices are increasing more rapidly than they were the

0:37:11 > 0:37:16month before. That is significant because it means wages, the latest

0:37:16 > 0:37:21data, they are increasing something like 2.2%, so wages are not going up

0:37:21 > 0:37:24as fast so people feel the cost of living getting more expensive and

0:37:24 > 0:37:31the Bank of England target is 2%, if it is more than 1% above that the

0:37:31 > 0:37:34Bank of England governor has to write a Philip Hammond and say this

0:37:34 > 0:37:39is a problem and this is how we are tackling it.And how might the Bank

0:37:39 > 0:37:45of England tackle it?The most obvious way is to increase the base

0:37:45 > 0:37:48interest rate. They did that at the beginning of the November by the

0:37:48 > 0:37:57slightest amount, .25% so it is now at 0.5%. That stops the flow of

0:37:57 > 0:38:01money into the economy and stops people having so much more to spend

0:38:01 > 0:38:07the push prices up. But if wages are not going up that usual method, the

0:38:07 > 0:38:10bank might be reluctant because if people's wages don't go up they

0:38:10 > 0:38:14don't want to make life harder by putting mortgage prices up because

0:38:14 > 0:38:18it could cause the economy to stagnate. They are in a tricky

0:38:18 > 0:38:25position. The expectation is that still amongst a lot of economists,

0:38:25 > 0:38:29that the bank will not move interest rates any higher because it is

0:38:29 > 0:38:33worried about this lag in wage growth.Thank you very much.

0:38:33 > 0:38:35Should new mums be given financial incentives

0:38:35 > 0:38:36to breastfeed their babies?

0:38:36 > 0:38:40A new study of 10,000 women found that offering shopping vouchers

0:38:40 > 0:38:43of up to £200 to new mothers led to a significant

0:38:43 > 0:38:46increase in the uptake.

0:38:46 > 0:38:51Critics describe it as bribing but breast-feeding rates

0:38:51 > 0:38:54here in the UK are among the lowest in the world - studies suggest less

0:38:54 > 0:39:03than one percent of babies here are still being breast-fed

0:39:03 > 0:39:11after a year - compared to 23% in Germany.

0:39:11 > 0:39:13And in some parts of the UK, only 12%

0:39:13 > 0:39:19of six-to-eight-week-olds are breast-fed.

0:39:19 > 0:39:23What are you thinking about this, if you have struggled, would this have

0:39:23 > 0:39:27incentivised you more? Please let me know your views.

0:39:27 > 0:39:31Let's talk about that with mums - Carmen Pagor and Holly Leppard -

0:39:31 > 0:39:32and their babies Orla and Amadea.

0:39:32 > 0:39:35And one of the people who benefited from the voucher scheme Sarah Ardon,

0:39:35 > 0:39:42with her son Edward, who's now two and a half.

0:39:42 > 0:39:46Edwards is over there at the moment so I will wander over and hopefully

0:39:46 > 0:39:49he will join us at some point.

0:39:49 > 0:39:53Thank you all for coming in, especially with your children,

0:39:53 > 0:39:57really appreciate it. Let's get a quick reaction from all of you on

0:39:57 > 0:40:00what you think of this idea and then Sarah we will ask you about your

0:40:00 > 0:40:06specific experience. Good idea?I think so, it raises awareness about

0:40:06 > 0:40:14the benefits. I think it's just an extra incentive to try it. It's your

0:40:14 > 0:40:20own personal choice, whether you choose or bottle feed but I do think

0:40:20 > 0:40:27it's an incentive.Holly?I think it is appalling. I do not agree with

0:40:27 > 0:40:35being paid to produce breastmilk, many women cannot. I was one of

0:40:35 > 0:40:39those people. I think that the money would be better spent if it went

0:40:39 > 0:40:43back into the actual services of breast-feeding. So even, physical

0:40:43 > 0:40:48support for mothers out in the community, that seems to be a big

0:40:48 > 0:41:03issue. And a reason why a lot of women fail, I say fail, in brackets.

0:41:03 > 0:41:07Tongue tying is another major issue, if they started putting funding into

0:41:07 > 0:41:13that it would be much more worthwhile.I am glad Edwards is

0:41:13 > 0:41:21having a great time, let me ask you what you think of this idea?I have

0:41:21 > 0:41:25mixed views, I agree there is no point at all into giving money for a

0:41:25 > 0:41:28shopping vouchers if there is no support for women who want to

0:41:28 > 0:41:35continue to breast-feed but I also think it might make mothers feel

0:41:35 > 0:41:39valued if they do get some incentive. And at different points.

0:41:39 > 0:41:43I like the way they have broken it down and given I think some of the

0:41:43 > 0:41:48vouchers were given as early as two days so women who choose to, or can

0:41:48 > 0:41:53produce breastmilk, we'll get some incentive with the vouchers very

0:41:53 > 0:41:59early. To me that kind of says that all breastmilk is valuable, even if

0:41:59 > 0:42:05it is just one feed, if you can. But I do think it's completely pointless

0:42:05 > 0:42:11if there is not the support.Sarah, what was your experience, benefiting

0:42:11 > 0:42:15from these vouchers, where you planning to breast-feed anyway?I

0:42:15 > 0:42:24was hoping to from the beginning.So these were a bonus?Yeah, for me it

0:42:24 > 0:42:30was an extra help. I chose the vouchers for Morrisons because I

0:42:30 > 0:42:36wanted to give Edwards better breastmilk, buy healthier food,

0:42:36 > 0:42:43vitamins, more traditional food.And what about the support which has

0:42:43 > 0:42:50been raised, whether people to help you?I found I got quite a lot of

0:42:50 > 0:42:56support from my midwife at the start. I had a trainee midwife is

0:42:56 > 0:43:05well supporting me. So at 1.I had two midwives supporting me. I did

0:43:05 > 0:43:12feel I had the support in place as well as the vouchers.Did Edward

0:43:12 > 0:43:18latch on immediately, did you need the midwife to help?Yeah, yeah. At

0:43:18 > 0:43:251.I had an incidence where he was underweight but I think they had

0:43:25 > 0:43:30scrapped the guidelines but they said he was underweight and wanted

0:43:30 > 0:43:34me to formula feed which was not a choice I had, I did not want to do

0:43:34 > 0:43:41that. I did it for one night and I said I don't want to do this, I want

0:43:41 > 0:43:53to breast-feed. I thought maybe I should express my milk so I had to

0:43:53 > 0:44:00buy bottles and pumps and express. I did have the support from both of

0:44:00 > 0:44:06those to show how to latch properly and how to express. I felt it was in

0:44:06 > 0:44:11place.I will bring in Louise and I think is in Bristol, or that is her

0:44:11 > 0:44:19surname, she is in Bristol or her surname is Bristol.I am in Bristol.

0:44:19 > 0:44:24Thank you for joining us, your baby was born in August, what do you

0:44:24 > 0:44:31think of the financial incentive scheme?I have to agree with the

0:44:31 > 0:44:35second two mothers, I release troubled with breast-feeding.

0:44:35 > 0:44:44INAUDIBLE NHS breast is best etc but when it

0:44:44 > 0:44:48came to it I did not have enough supply and my baby lost too much

0:44:48 > 0:44:52weight so we had to top up with formula and I just felt like a

0:44:52 > 0:44:58complete failure. For me, vouchers is another thing those people that

0:44:58 > 0:45:05are struggling with it, it's another thing compounding the failure

0:45:05 > 0:45:12surrounding breast-feeding if you are unable to do it.Let's talk

0:45:12 > 0:45:21about this, it's such a devastating feeling if you end up feeling like a

0:45:21 > 0:45:27failure, yet, it would be good, do we accept, all of us, that to

0:45:27 > 0:45:29increase the breast-feeding rates in Britain would be a good thing? So

0:45:29 > 0:45:35how do we do that?

0:45:35 > 0:45:42Absolutely.Right, how do we do that?Right from the antenatal phase

0:45:42 > 0:45:47when you're going to have your guidance from the NHS rather than

0:45:47 > 0:45:51just pushing breast-feeding right from the start. It is being

0:45:51 > 0:45:54inclusive environment. Inviting people to come and learn about

0:45:54 > 0:45:59infant feeding rather than breast-feeding. Really talking about

0:45:59 > 0:46:03the issues that can arise when you breast-feed. Reasons why people have

0:46:03 > 0:46:08to bottle feed. Reasons why people have to formula feed.To be really

0:46:08 > 0:46:12open about the realities?Really open about it.So that takes the

0:46:12 > 0:46:19pressure off?Potentially and just better services from the word go.

0:46:19 > 0:46:27OK.I know you support it and that's brilliant.Two midwives. One was a

0:46:27 > 0:46:33trainee, but two. That's unheard of. :That's few and far between.This

0:46:33 > 0:46:39is from Libby. "I have never contacted a live TV show. I am

0:46:39 > 0:46:45appalled at the latest pressure for women to breast-feed. I am a new mum

0:46:45 > 0:46:49and I became depressed after feeling a failure that I couldn't get on

0:46:49 > 0:46:54with breast-feeding. I was offered support and constantly reminded how

0:46:54 > 0:46:57I wasn't giving me child the best start in life because I didn't

0:46:57 > 0:47:05breast-feed. The midwives gave a talk and anyone who asked about

0:47:05 > 0:47:07bottle-feeding said they were not allowed to give this information.

0:47:07 > 0:47:12This is ridiculous and at worse dangerous as many mums wanted safety

0:47:12 > 0:47:17advice on bottle-feeding. I felt so guilty about not being able to

0:47:17 > 0:47:23breast-feed as if I was deliberately harming my son. For God's sake,

0:47:23 > 0:47:28being a parent is hard enough, give us autonomy over how we chose to

0:47:28 > 0:47:32feed our children." What do you think?I think that's probably a

0:47:32 > 0:47:36story that's heard a lot a across the country and one thing I hear

0:47:36 > 0:47:42from that is the lack of support and we were chatting before and I think

0:47:42 > 0:47:49she also reports there about not being allowed to be told, only about

0:47:49 > 0:47:55bottle-feeding and that is all in the education and also education of

0:47:55 > 0:47:58health practitioners how to communicate sensitively which I

0:47:58 > 0:48:06think a lot of the time is missing. Peu was going to read what the Royal

0:48:06 > 0:48:11College of Midwives say, "We believe the motive for breast-feeding cannot

0:48:11 > 0:48:16be motivated by offering financial reward. Qlts the Department of

0:48:16 > 0:48:19Health, "We encourage breast-feeding for six months because of the

0:48:19 > 0:48:24benefits. It is important new mums are supported by midwives and their

0:48:24 > 0:48:27health visitor to help them make informed decisions about

0:48:27 > 0:48:32breast-feeding." Which you would like to think would include

0:48:32 > 0:48:36information about bottle-feeding and formula.There is a huge divide

0:48:36 > 0:48:38between breast-feeding and bottle-feeding. There doesn't need

0:48:38 > 0:48:46to be. We just want happy babies, but happy babies that are fed and

0:48:46 > 0:48:52well nourished, thriving, and of course, you know, I am a huge

0:48:52 > 0:48:54advocate for successful breast-feeding, but we're doing

0:48:54 > 0:48:59something wrong and I think by bribing, which essentially is what

0:48:59 > 0:49:05it is, bribing mothers to breast-feed, it could be a very

0:49:05 > 0:49:08dangerous practise as that lady put in the e-mail.Thank you very much

0:49:08 > 0:49:12for coming on to the programme. Really appreciate hearing from

0:49:12 > 0:49:19Edward and getting the smiles from the two little girls. Thank you very

0:49:19 > 0:49:24much. I know it has taken an effort to get her with children and on

0:49:24 > 0:49:29trains. We really appreciate it. Thank you very much.

0:49:29 > 0:49:35Your views welcome. Plenty of time to read your messages and to talk to

0:49:35 > 0:49:47you wherever you are in the country. Thank you to Louise in Bristol.

0:49:47 > 0:49:54We will hear from some of those calling on Donald Donald Trump to

0:49:54 > 0:49:56stay away.

0:49:57 > 0:49:59About 500,000 children and young people gamble every week according

0:49:59 > 0:50:06to a Gambling Commission report released in the last half an hour.

0:50:06 > 0:50:08The industry regulator is warning that children as young as 11

0:50:08 > 0:50:14are using so-called skin betting websites which let players gamble

0:50:14 > 0:50:17with virtual items such as currency.

0:50:17 > 0:50:20Once those items are won online, usually modified guns or knives

0:50:20 > 0:50:23within a video game known as a skin, they can be sold and turned

0:50:23 > 0:50:25back into real money and there are concerns that it's

0:50:25 > 0:50:27leading young people into gambling earlier.

0:50:27 > 0:50:37Here's how it works.

0:50:38 > 0:50:44He ended up losing £1200.I know someone who lost £2,000.Very

0:50:44 > 0:50:54addictive. It is like any other gambling.

0:51:30 > 0:51:38It's hard to ask your parents for £1,000, it is easier to ask for a

0:51:38 > 0:51:42tenner. You could grab your parents credit card and enter the detail.

0:51:42 > 0:51:49It's instant. It is in front of you, a few clicks, double the value of

0:51:49 > 0:51:59the infantry. After a few months you will have a military worth a couple

0:51:59 > 0:52:02of hundred. OK, I want to double this. So you go to a site and put

0:52:02 > 0:52:06all of it on and fur' lucky, you can make a lot of money potentially. It

0:52:06 > 0:52:10doesn't feel like it's real money because it's skins. It's virtual

0:52:10 > 0:52:15items. When you win, it feels exciting. It is addictive. You win

0:52:15 > 0:52:21it once and you think why can't I win it again? I put £10 Pods, I got

0:52:21 > 0:52:26£20, why not turn it into £40? If I'm on this lucky streak, I want to

0:52:26 > 0:52:30keep going. When you lose, if I'm going to be honest, it doesn't feel

0:52:30 > 0:52:33anything because it's not like you lost £200 from your bank account.

0:52:33 > 0:52:45I've lost a lot more than that. It's quite obvious it's aimed towards

0:52:45 > 0:52:48younger people. Younger people are less responsible with their money.

0:52:48 > 0:52:53They're going to fall for flashy animated pictures saying, "Wow, win

0:52:53 > 0:52:59this. Double your money." The only age protection thing was one pop-up

0:52:59 > 0:53:04saying, "Are you over 18?" Yes. There you go, you can spend as much

0:53:04 > 0:53:08money as you like. There is no gamble responsibly. None of that, it

0:53:08 > 0:53:13is straight up, free-for-all really. You don't see an 11-year-old walk

0:53:13 > 0:53:17into a betting shop and betting £200 on a horse race, you know, but you

0:53:17 > 0:53:27can do it with this. There is no stopping that.

0:53:27 > 0:53:29Ryan used £2,000 of his student loan to gamble

0:53:29 > 0:53:30and that's the £2,000 that he lost.

0:53:30 > 0:53:34Tim Miller is from the Gambling Commission.

0:53:34 > 0:53:36Mark Potter is an ex-gambling addict who speaks to kids and teachers

0:53:36 > 0:53:39about gambling for an organisation called EPIC Risk Management.

0:53:39 > 0:53:45Liz Garter is a gambling addiction therapist.

0:53:45 > 0:53:50Welcome all of you. This 400,000 figure is pretty alarming, isn't it?

0:53:50 > 0:53:54I think it sends a really clear message that there is much nor that

0:53:54 > 0:53:57needs to be done to protect children from gambling. It is a slight fall

0:53:57 > 0:54:01from last year, but I don't think we should be celebrating yet. There are

0:54:01 > 0:54:06many new and emerging areas where children are becoming more exposed

0:54:06 > 0:54:10to gambling-type behaviours. 400,00011 to 16-year-olds have

0:54:10 > 0:54:15gambled, but pick out a couple of others for us?So that represents

0:54:15 > 0:54:19about 12% of 11 to 16-year-olds gambling in the last week and the

0:54:19 > 0:54:23common area that we are seeing them gambling on bets between friends

0:54:23 > 0:54:28which is legal, but nevertheless is still gambling. Buying scratchcards

0:54:28 > 0:54:31with their parents, playing on fruit machines in pubs as well, and what

0:54:31 > 0:54:36we are seeing as well are the emerging areas of gambling online in

0:54:36 > 0:54:40relation to computer games which is an area as many parents we won't

0:54:40 > 0:54:45necessarily know about.How would parents spot the signs?I think it

0:54:45 > 0:54:50can be quite hard and I think it links with one of the headlines that

0:54:50 > 0:54:55interested me the most which was have you children reported having

0:54:55 > 0:55:00had a meaningful conversation with a parent or a teacher? I think 39%

0:55:00 > 0:55:04said they talked to a parent or a parent had talked to them about the

0:55:04 > 0:55:08potential harms of gambling and only 18% of teachers and I think that's

0:55:08 > 0:55:14because...If I talk to my kids about harm of gmbling, it is like

0:55:14 > 0:55:17anything, well, it is not going to happen to them, they are invincible,

0:55:17 > 0:55:22you know.I think part of the problem is that, as parents and

0:55:22 > 0:55:26teachers and as a society, we don't actually know what the potential

0:55:26 > 0:55:30harms are so we don't know how to describe it. I think when it comes

0:55:30 > 0:55:37to gambling, we get often hooked on the money aspect and of course,

0:55:37 > 0:55:41devastating debt is a consequence of gambling, but what we need to

0:55:41 > 0:55:48educate is that the hooks are not initially financial ones. They are

0:55:48 > 0:55:53actually either experiencing a high from winning and feeling like a

0:55:53 > 0:55:57winner or from getting completely absorbed and lost in that experience

0:55:57 > 0:56:02of gambling.Let me bring in Mark. Hi, Mark, what do you say to

0:56:02 > 0:56:07children, you can't go in straightaway, gambling is terrible,

0:56:07 > 0:56:10look what happened to me. How do you draw young people into the

0:56:10 > 0:56:13conversation so they are willing to listen?You have got to understand

0:56:13 > 0:56:19that children of today, it really got the first tech savvy generation,

0:56:19 > 0:56:23they have access to iPads, laptops and mobile phones. What we try and

0:56:23 > 0:56:26do, we understand that we are not going to be able to stop them going

0:56:26 > 0:56:29online and accessing the type of games. So we go into schools and try

0:56:29 > 0:56:33to educate them about the dangers of problematic gambling, whether that

0:56:33 > 0:56:39be through hard hitting personal stories, gambling facts, we use the

0:56:39 > 0:56:45gam gabling spectrum and hopefully make the kids make better informed

0:56:45 > 0:56:49decision so when they turn 17 or 18 and are allowed to access gambling

0:56:49 > 0:56:55sites so they have the better informed decisions as to not fall

0:56:55 > 0:57:01off the clip and make gambling become problematic.How would you

0:57:01 > 0:57:05presay your own personal story to them?We do a don't pull any

0:57:05 > 0:57:10punches, why I use my own personal story as does Paul and Justin from

0:57:10 > 0:57:15Epic and we really just sort of tell some home truths and give everybody

0:57:15 > 0:57:21the facts.Live us some home truths right now.For my personal

0:57:21 > 0:57:31experience...Yes.It almost cost me my marriage. It cost me employment.

0:57:31 > 0:57:35So generally, I think coming from somebody who had the experience in

0:57:35 > 0:57:40it it tends to hit home an awful lot better than somebody who maybe

0:57:40 > 0:57:45reeling off facts and figures.Liz have you treated under-16s?Yes, I

0:57:45 > 0:57:49have. I have certainly treated people who started at a very young

0:57:49 > 0:57:53age and what I'm finding increasingly is that the problem

0:57:53 > 0:57:59started with over use and I emphasise over use of social media

0:57:59 > 0:58:04and social gaming.How many hours a day is over use?That very much

0:58:04 > 0:58:07depends on the individual. When I work with somebody, screens aside, I

0:58:07 > 0:58:11say if it is creating a problem for you, it is creating a problem and I

0:58:11 > 0:58:15think when it comes to very young people, they are at the very

0:58:15 > 0:58:19formative stage of their life, of course. As a therapist in general, I

0:58:19 > 0:58:23think, you know, if we look at the basic things that help us to have

0:58:23 > 0:58:31happy and healthy lives, it is the ability to self reflect, developing

0:58:31 > 0:58:36healthy relational skills and emotional resilience and if we're

0:58:36 > 0:58:42spending all day, or most of our time involved in a digital game, be

0:58:42 > 0:58:46it social gaming, or social media, we are blocking opportunities to

0:58:46 > 0:58:51develop. One final point to you Tim Miller,

0:58:51 > 0:58:56we saw from our film how easy it is to say of course, I'm over 18,

0:58:56 > 0:59:01click. That's not good enough?The regulator's space there are strong

0:59:01 > 0:59:04protections and we are reviewing and at the moment we're tightening that

0:59:04 > 0:59:08up. The issue is some of this falls outside the regulated gambling space

0:59:08 > 0:59:14and I think it is important...Does that bit fall outside that?If it

0:59:14 > 0:59:19crosses that line to become gambling we take clear action. Earlier this

0:59:19 > 0:59:23year we prosecuted two people who crossed the line.Sorry you

0:59:23 > 0:59:28prosecuted companies or young people?We prosecuted two

0:59:28 > 0:59:33high-profile YouTube users who were allowing children to gamble on

0:59:33 > 0:59:38computer games. This is a child protection issue. If we are to

0:59:38 > 0:59:41properly protect children, we need to work together, parents, the

0:59:41 > 0:59:44computer games industry and social media companies. If we work together

0:59:44 > 0:59:48then we can keep children safe.OK, we will see if that happens. Thank

0:59:48 > 0:59:52you very much. I appreciate your time. Thanks, Mark.

0:59:52 > 0:59:59The news in sport in a moment. Carol, the weather.

1:00:03 > 1:00:09Lying snow hour across parts of the British Isles. Quite a bit of snow

1:00:09 > 1:00:13and parts of Worcestershire and Shropshire we still have some

1:00:13 > 1:00:19freezing fog, just nicely on that snow plain. Shropshire last night

1:00:19 > 1:00:25fell to -13, at the moment parts are still at -13 but you can see the

1:00:25 > 1:00:32current temperature range we have, the Isles of Scilly really sticking

1:00:32 > 1:00:36out at plus nine, they have more cloud and rain. If you are

1:00:36 > 1:00:42travelling there is lying snow and ice, temperatures are low, take

1:00:42 > 1:00:47extra care through the course of the day, not just the morning. Many

1:00:47 > 1:00:51looking at a dry day with a fair bit of sunshine once the fog lifts but

1:00:51 > 1:00:54there is more cloud coming through the West, ahead of this weather

1:00:54 > 1:00:59front which will introduce wet and windy conditions. The brighter skies

1:00:59 > 1:01:03today are going to remain across the far South East and you can see where

1:01:03 > 1:01:07we have got the cloud building ahead of the weather front and then back

1:01:07 > 1:01:11into the sunshine across Kent, Essex, East Anglia, parts of

1:01:11 > 1:01:14Cambridgeshire and heading up the east coast of England. Meanwhile for

1:01:14 > 1:01:19the rest of the Midlands, heading up the Pennines into north-west

1:01:19 > 1:01:22England, more cloud building, in Scotland it is the far east which

1:01:22 > 1:01:27hangs onto the cold weather but the sunshine, in the West there is

1:01:27 > 1:01:32already rain and Hill snow. The winds strengthening as well in

1:01:32 > 1:01:35Northern Ireland, the rain continues from the west to the east and it

1:01:35 > 1:01:41fringes across West Wales, the rest of Wales dry and bright. The same as

1:01:41 > 1:01:45well, showers ahead of the rain coming across south-west England,

1:01:45 > 1:01:50the further east you travel the brighter the skies. There goes the

1:01:50 > 1:01:54rain heading down towards the south-east, accompanied by gusting

1:01:54 > 1:01:58winds. Break in the cloud behind and then you can see the next weather

1:01:58 > 1:02:03front is starting to show its hand in introducing showery outbreaks of

1:02:03 > 1:02:12rain with Hill snow. Temperature wise, this shows what you can expect

1:02:12 > 1:02:16in towns and cities, it will be colder than this in the rural areas

1:02:16 > 1:02:20but not quite as cold as the night just gone. Tomorrow morning at the

1:02:20 > 1:02:24first fund moves quite quickly taking the rain with it, the second

1:02:24 > 1:02:28comes hot on its heels introducing showery rain and also snow.

1:02:28 > 1:02:33Increasingly through the day we will see snow through Scotland and

1:02:33 > 1:02:41Northern Ireland, and potential across north-west England.

1:02:41 > 1:02:42Opt in or opt out of organ donation?

1:02:42 > 1:02:44Opt in or opt out of organ donation?

1:02:44 > 1:02:46The government is proposing a big change by moving to a system

1:02:46 > 1:02:52of 'presumed consent' in England.

1:02:52 > 1:02:57When you lose someone and they have given that gift, that huge gift, you

1:02:57 > 1:03:03are immensely proud of them and it fills you with comfort that other

1:03:03 > 1:03:06families are actually enjoying the lives of their loved ones where they

1:03:06 > 1:03:08may not have done.

1:03:08 > 1:03:13We'll hear from a father who made the decision to donate the organs

1:03:13 > 1:03:16of his 16-year-old son, and the man who benefitted.

1:03:16 > 1:03:19Also - we've gained rare access into the world of male sex workers

1:03:19 > 1:03:23who speak in candid terms about their experiences.

1:03:23 > 1:03:29What really gets me is the fact that because I am a guy they think it's

1:03:29 > 1:03:34not as bad as a woman being raped but it's exactly the same.

1:03:34 > 1:03:37Research seen by our programme suggests that 12% of male sex

1:03:37 > 1:03:41workers have been sexually assaulted in the last 5 years -

1:03:41 > 1:03:46but most are unlikely to report the crime to the police.

1:03:46 > 1:03:49The full story before 11am.

1:03:49 > 1:03:52And - the former partner of serial killer Levi Bellfield tells this

1:03:52 > 1:03:54programme she lives with the guilt that she didn't report him

1:03:54 > 1:03:55to the police sooner.

1:04:02 > 1:04:03Good morning.

1:04:03 > 1:04:12Here's Ben in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of todays news.

1:04:12 > 1:04:15Inflation rose to 3.1% in November, the highest in nearly six years.

1:04:15 > 1:04:19It means the squeeze on what households can afford, continues.

1:04:19 > 1:04:21The Office for National Statistics said that

1:04:21 > 1:04:27airfares and computer games contributed to the increase.

1:04:27 > 1:04:32The most recent data shows average weekly wages are growing at just

1:04:32 > 1:04:36over 2%. In November the bank of England raised the interest rate in

1:04:36 > 1:04:42the first time in more than a decade, from a quarter of percent to

1:04:42 > 1:04:46half a percent. Four people are being questioned on suspicion of

1:04:46 > 1:04:50murder after three children died in a house in Salford early yesterday

1:04:50 > 1:04:55morning. Their mother and a three-year-old child remained in

1:04:55 > 1:04:57serious condition in hospital. Police confirmed they had been in

1:04:57 > 1:05:01contact with the family very recently and visited the house in

1:05:01 > 1:05:08the hours before the blaze. This case has been referred to the

1:05:08 > 1:05:11Independent Police Complaints Commission. Temperatures of -13 have

1:05:11 > 1:05:14been recorded in Shropshire on the coldest night of the year so far.

1:05:14 > 1:05:18The Met office extended yellow warnings were snow and ice until

1:05:18 > 1:05:31late this morning and the EU has warned driving could be hazardous.

1:05:33 > 1:05:35The industry regulator for gambling is warning that children as young

1:05:35 > 1:05:38as 11 are using so-called skin betting websites, which let players

1:05:38 > 1:05:40gamble with virtual items as if they are currency.

1:05:40 > 1:05:43The items are often modified guns or knives within a video game,

1:05:43 > 1:05:45which is what's known as a 'skin'.

1:05:45 > 1:05:48The items can then be sold and turned back in to real money.

1:05:48 > 1:05:50It's part of a wider report for The Gambling Commission

1:05:50 > 1:05:52which says that around 370,000 11 to 16-year-olds have

1:05:52 > 1:05:58spent their own money on gambling in the past week.

1:05:58 > 1:06:02That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10:30am.

1:06:04 > 1:06:09So many comments about financial incentives for breast-feeding. Gemma

1:06:09 > 1:06:14says I had a double mastectomy when I was 25 because of a breast cancer

1:06:14 > 1:06:18diagnosis. Obviously I cannot breast-feed my now three-month-old

1:06:18 > 1:06:23son and have been racked with guilt. I have been completely supported by

1:06:23 > 1:06:26midwives and other health professionals and it's not been a

1:06:26 > 1:06:30problem and I should be given vouchers to buy formula. Another

1:06:30 > 1:06:35saying that I breast-fed my first child until he was 22 months and am

1:06:35 > 1:06:38currently feeding my second who is just over two months. I would not

1:06:38 > 1:06:42have been able to breast-feed my first without support from midwives

1:06:42 > 1:06:47and others. I think the money spent on vouchers would be better spent on

1:06:47 > 1:06:52improving emotional support as well as breast-feeding services as this

1:06:52 > 1:06:58could in turn improve the rates. This from a senior midwife, I find

1:06:58 > 1:07:00it extremely difficult to breast-feed my daughter despite the

1:07:00 > 1:07:05reality of knowing exactly how to breast-feed. Mums are under pressure

1:07:05 > 1:07:09and a voucher scheme in my opinion will not prevent these problems or

1:07:09 > 1:07:14increase uptake. And this on text says I am on maternity leave with my

1:07:14 > 1:07:18six-week-old son who is exclusively breast-fed. We have been lucky, it

1:07:18 > 1:07:22has worked out well and we have had lots of support. I do not agree with

1:07:22 > 1:07:26vouchers, I do not need an incentive to do what I feel is best for my

1:07:26 > 1:07:31baby. So I would say the consensus evolving through this programme that

1:07:31 > 1:07:35the majority of you who are getting in touch, it is not scientific of

1:07:35 > 1:07:39course, saying that the voucher scheme is not particularly

1:07:39 > 1:07:44brilliant. So what, let's think about solutions, better ways of

1:07:44 > 1:07:47getting breast-feeding rates in this country up because they are among

1:07:47 > 1:07:53the lowest in the world, why is that and what are the answers? Let's get

1:07:53 > 1:07:59more sport. England's cricketers gearing up for

1:07:59 > 1:08:03the third test in Perth, 2-0 down in the Ashes so they cannot afford to

1:08:03 > 1:08:07lose, there has been criticism of their performances and they have had

1:08:07 > 1:08:12to deal with off field disciplinary issues, bar room incidents, former

1:08:12 > 1:08:17captain Michael Vaughan says they have been behaving like students and

1:08:17 > 1:08:20that senior players need to step up and be role models. Alastair Cook

1:08:20 > 1:08:26was asked for his take.I don't think we are getting painted fairly

1:08:26 > 1:08:32in the media because on our culture clearly there has been a couple of

1:08:32 > 1:08:37things, it sounds silly, but the media have brought it up. But the

1:08:37 > 1:08:40world has changed after what happened in September and it's down

1:08:40 > 1:08:48to us to adjust that quickly and we cannot afford any mistakes, because

1:08:48 > 1:08:55the ECB and the sponsors, we want to have kids play cricket.I spoke to

1:08:55 > 1:08:59another former England captain, David Gower, earlier this morning,

1:08:59 > 1:09:07he was heavily fined along with his team mates for antics with a biplane

1:09:07 > 1:09:15in the 1991 Ashes tour.In my era players lead of a lot of steam on

1:09:15 > 1:09:18tour, three or four months away on tour, you're not expected to be a

1:09:18 > 1:09:22monk and everyone expect you to have a drink and there were breaches of

1:09:22 > 1:09:25discipline way back. Some were allowed to pass, some were dealt

1:09:25 > 1:09:32with severely. People just got on with life. The key thing as ever in

1:09:32 > 1:09:36these situations is if you are producing the right results on the

1:09:36 > 1:09:42pitch then people are forgiving we had, I remember one, years and years

1:09:42 > 1:09:45ago in Manchester a one-day international against New Zealand

1:09:45 > 1:09:50and we were found in a wine bar at one end, leaving at 1am, they had

1:09:50 > 1:09:54headlines ready to go in the papers the next day slamming us for being

1:09:54 > 1:09:58out of order. But we won the game saw the headline was Hic-Hic-Hooray!

1:09:58 > 1:10:04That's all the sports are now.

1:10:04 > 1:10:10This morning: the former wife of serial killer Levi Bellfield

1:10:10 > 1:10:12tells this programme she lives with the guilt that she didn't

1:10:12 > 1:10:16report him to the police sooner.

1:10:16 > 1:10:21Jo Collings says he regularly used to beat and rape her and she now

1:10:21 > 1:10:25believes she was "target practice" to prepare himself for the murders

1:10:25 > 1:10:29of 13-year-old Milly Dowler, 19-year-old Marsha McDonnell

1:10:29 > 1:10:32and 22-year-old Amelie Delagrange.

1:10:32 > 1:10:37He's currently serving a life sentence for their murders -

1:10:37 > 1:10:39which took place between 2002 and 2004, and an attempted

1:10:39 > 1:10:44murder of another woman.

1:10:44 > 1:10:50He's recently alleged to have confessed in prison that he had also

1:10:50 > 1:10:52killed Lin and Megan Russell and left Josie Russell

1:10:52 > 1:10:57for dead in 1996 - when he was living with Jo Collings.

1:10:57 > 1:11:02She's here now.

1:11:02 > 1:11:06Good morning, thank you for talking to us. What did you think first of

1:11:06 > 1:11:13all when you heard this apparent confession regarding the Russell

1:11:13 > 1:11:17murders?The first thing which goes through your mind is the date and

1:11:17 > 1:11:21it's an unforgettable dates because it's my birthday, the 9th of July,

1:11:21 > 1:11:29the date they were killed.And so you say he couldn't?No, it was the

1:11:29 > 1:11:32first year my daughter was born and you always remember the first year

1:11:32 > 1:11:40of your baby 's life and it was the first real, my daughter was only

1:11:40 > 1:11:47five months old and it was my birthday so, you know...He has

1:11:47 > 1:11:54since denied ever making a confession. Michael Stone was

1:11:54 > 1:11:57convicted of the killing of Lin Russell and Megan Russell and his

1:11:57 > 1:12:01lawyers say you could be confused about the timing.There is no way I

1:12:01 > 1:12:09am confused.And he was with you the whole day?From when we woke up in

1:12:09 > 1:12:13the morning until we went to bed, I can tell you everything we did and

1:12:13 > 1:12:19where we went and there is no way he left my side for any amount of time.

1:12:19 > 1:12:25Even though they say they have a witness who saw him in the area?

1:12:25 > 1:12:32Apparently they have a witness.You spent three years with Levi

1:12:32 > 1:12:37Bellfield, give us an insight into what your life was like?It was

1:12:37 > 1:12:42torture most of the time. When he was being nice you could not have

1:12:42 > 1:12:46asked for a nicer person. He was a real gentleman, spoiled rotten, took

1:12:46 > 1:12:55you everywhere. Then he would just flip and the beatings, or the abuse,

1:12:55 > 1:13:01treated you worse than you would treat an animal.Would be a trigger?

1:13:01 > 1:13:07Sometimes. You had done something wrong, cooked something wrong, and

1:13:07 > 1:13:11taught him the wrong way or questioned him about something, but

1:13:11 > 1:13:17sometimes it wasn't anything.And what sort of physical abuse did you

1:13:17 > 1:13:22endure?You would get punched and kicked, strangled, burned with

1:13:22 > 1:13:31cigarettes. Strangling was quite a good one of his. If you punch due,

1:13:31 > 1:13:35he would keep punching you in the one spot and keep punching you in

1:13:35 > 1:13:40that spot because he knew how much it would hurt.Where there are

1:13:40 > 1:13:44moments where you thought you might end up killing you?There were a

1:13:44 > 1:13:52couple. But because I fought back, it was a bit of a competition for

1:13:52 > 1:14:01him.You say he also sexually abused you and you are within your right to

1:14:01 > 1:14:05anonymity to talk to us about that for which we are very grateful, can

1:14:05 > 1:14:13you give us insight into what he would do.The rapes became quite

1:14:13 > 1:14:16common, we were his property and we belonged to him, whatever he wanted

1:14:16 > 1:14:21he did. You did not say no to him and you did not argue our question,

1:14:21 > 1:14:29you became a shell and he just chipped away and broke you.Do you

1:14:29 > 1:14:34know how many times he raped you?I could not tell you, hundreds, over

1:14:34 > 1:14:42the years.Did you consider reporting him to the police?I

1:14:42 > 1:14:45considered reporting him, I wanted him to leave because he lived with

1:14:45 > 1:14:49me and my mum and my mum 's house but he did not go, he would not go.

1:14:49 > 1:14:57Do you know why you did not go to the police after considering it?You

1:14:57 > 1:15:01are too frightened. The one time I did call the police the abuse I got,

1:15:01 > 1:15:10it was full.From Levi Bellfield? Yes, I think I was the only one to

1:15:10 > 1:15:13ever get an injunction served on him and within half an hour he had

1:15:13 > 1:15:17ripped it up, written on the envelope and posted it back to my

1:15:17 > 1:15:21letterbox. Even an injunction did not stop him.

1:15:26 > 1:15:31You had separated from him when Milly Dowler, but you say around

1:15:31 > 1:15:35that time he turned up on your doorstep?He was really upset

1:15:35 > 1:15:41because he used to come to the pub that I worked in. He always drove

1:15:41 > 1:15:46past and always rang me, he was always about and I know it sounds

1:15:46 > 1:15:52really weird, but when he actually got arrested, you almost feel a bit

1:15:52 > 1:15:56scared because you know he's like a safety blanket so you always knew he

1:15:56 > 1:16:00was going to be about even though you didn't want him about and then

1:16:00 > 1:16:04suddenly when he is not about, you kind of feel a bit vulnerable and

1:16:04 > 1:16:07because for so many years you have been controlled and even when we

1:16:07 > 1:16:13weren't to go, he was always still there controlling, everything,

1:16:13 > 1:16:16driving past and phoning, you almost feel vulnerable because you think he

1:16:16 > 1:16:22is not there now.Because the abuse that he had subjected you had become

1:16:22 > 1:16:26normalised in a way?It was normal life. Every day, it was like normal

1:16:26 > 1:16:31life. I always say when people, soy can't get away, why didn't you get

1:16:31 > 1:16:36away? Until you're, again, until you're in that situation, you can't

1:16:36 > 1:16:42actually physically and mentally get away. But then when that switch is

1:16:42 > 1:16:46triggered that you can, you think if I can get away from him, anybody can

1:16:46 > 1:16:51get away from anybody.How did you manage to leave him in the end?I

1:16:51 > 1:16:55was pregnant with my son and he had come round asking for a fan because

1:16:55 > 1:16:59my daughter had been unwell and the hospital said she could come home as

1:16:59 > 1:17:06long as I had a fan, that I kept her cool. OK, that's fine. He came round

1:17:06 > 1:17:11demanding the fan and I was like well, no. I had kept him up-to-date

1:17:11 > 1:17:16because he kept ringing how is she? Bla-bla-bla. He came round asking

1:17:16 > 1:17:20for it and because I wouldn't give it to him, he went mad and we had a

1:17:20 > 1:17:25fight on the doorstep and I was pregnant with his son. That was what

1:17:25 > 1:17:27triggered the switch and that was the night I stopped being scared of

1:17:27 > 1:17:35him.Really? Because you were thinking about...I was so angry. I

1:17:35 > 1:17:38wasn't scared any more. I was so angry, he is with the new

1:17:38 > 1:17:43girlfriend. He is still in my life every day, still controlling, go and

1:17:43 > 1:17:48buy your own fan, don't take it off my daughter. That was it. That's

1:17:48 > 1:17:52what triggered it. What do you think about when you

1:17:52 > 1:17:55reflect on whether you could have contacted the police earlier and

1:17:55 > 1:18:01what difference that may have made? People say, I am as guilty as him. I

1:18:01 > 1:18:05have had all the trolls.Really?I am scum. I am as bad as he is. I

1:18:05 > 1:18:10should have said something, but there is never enough evidence or

1:18:10 > 1:18:14proof, even a year after he was arrested, people were only coming

1:18:14 > 1:18:18forward because they were too scared because in the papers, it said, you

1:18:18 > 1:18:21know, had been bailed for this and that and all the rest of it, but

1:18:21 > 1:18:25actually, he was still inside, but because the papers couldn't say that

1:18:25 > 1:18:31he was still being held, people only read, he has been bailed so they all

1:18:31 > 1:18:36thought he was still out. It took a good year and probably up to 18

1:18:36 > 1:18:40months before quite a few people came forward because they were too

1:18:40 > 1:18:46scared of him.Do you suspect he may have attacked other women that we

1:18:46 > 1:18:50perhaps don't know about?Without a shadow of a doubt.Why are you so

1:18:50 > 1:18:55sure?Because it's him. We went to Turkey in the August of 1996. We

1:18:55 > 1:19:01were supposed to be there two weeks. He said on, I think it was a voice

1:19:01 > 1:19:04recording from his prison cell, that he came home the next day because he

1:19:04 > 1:19:08was too hot. We were there four or five days and we had a row one

1:19:08 > 1:19:14afternoon. He locked me in the bedroom. Went off out. Came back

1:19:14 > 1:19:17quite late and in a right state and packed the cases and we flew home

1:19:17 > 1:19:22the next day. Wouldn't say why or anything, but so, you know, he

1:19:22 > 1:19:26probably did something out there because you wouldn't, almost like a

1:19:26 > 1:19:33panic mode. Had to pack everything. Don't ask any questions, flew home.

1:19:33 > 1:19:41Thank you very much for talking to us this morning.

1:19:41 > 1:19:44We have been reporting this morning that four people are being

1:19:44 > 1:19:48questioned been suspicion of murder after three children died in a house

1:19:48 > 1:19:51fire in Salford in the early hours of yesterday morning. Well, we can

1:19:51 > 1:20:04tell you that the victims have been named locally today as 14Demi

1:20:04 > 1:20:12Pearson, her sister, Lacie, and her brother Brandon, their mother is in

1:20:12 > 1:20:18a serious condition, as well as a fourth sibling, three-year-old Leah

1:20:18 > 1:20:24who is critical.

1:20:24 > 1:20:26The leader of the Liberal Democrats tells this programme he doesn't

1:20:26 > 1:20:32think that Donald Trump should be allowed to visit the UK next year.

1:20:32 > 1:20:35The law on organ donations in England could be changed so that

1:20:35 > 1:20:38we'd have to opt out of choosing to donate organs after death

1:20:38 > 1:20:39rather than opting in.

1:20:39 > 1:20:41It's called "presumed consent".

1:20:41 > 1:20:44Every day three people die in England needing a new organ.

1:20:44 > 1:20:47The Government hopes changing the rules would help save the lives

1:20:47 > 1:20:49of the 6,500 people currently waiting for a transplant.

1:20:49 > 1:20:54450 people died waiting for a transplant last year.

1:20:54 > 1:20:58Wales has already adopted the system of presumed

1:20:58 > 1:21:00consent and Scotland is about to introduce

1:21:00 > 1:21:02something similar.

1:21:02 > 1:21:05Let's take a look now at the very real impact that the decision

1:21:05 > 1:21:11to donate an organ can make.

1:21:11 > 1:21:17Nigel Burton lost his son Martin who was 16, back in 2003.

1:21:17 > 1:21:20Martin died after having a sudden brain haemorrhage.

1:21:20 > 1:21:22Nigel and his wife Sue made the decision to donate

1:21:22 > 1:21:24Martin's organs.

1:21:24 > 1:21:26Andrew Seery needed a liver transplant after a genetic

1:21:26 > 1:21:32condition had seen his liver slowly deteriorate.

1:21:32 > 1:21:35He was a father of two, a 34-year-old hairdresser

1:21:35 > 1:21:38who was close to death, six stone four, in a wheelchair

1:21:38 > 1:21:42and being fed on a nasal drip.

1:21:42 > 1:21:49Now 14 years later, he is here today after being given Martin's liver.

1:21:49 > 1:21:53Gentlemen, thank you very much for coming on the programme. Let me ask

1:21:53 > 1:21:56you both first of all, what do you think of the idea of presumed

1:21:56 > 1:22:03consent?It's a system that's likely to happen. It was always going to

1:22:03 > 1:22:06happen, but unfortunately presumed consent is normally one of a package

1:22:06 > 1:22:11of things you have to do if you want to change consent rates in the

1:22:11 > 1:22:15country.Soen its own, it's not enough?On its own, it is not

1:22:15 > 1:22:22enough.What would you say Martin?I am not as educated in the area as

1:22:22 > 1:22:25Nigel, but from a patient's point of view, anything that improves the

1:22:25 > 1:22:31chances of you receiving an organ has got to be a good thing, but I am

1:22:31 > 1:22:41aware of the strains on the NHS, and stuff and I'm also aware of people's

1:22:41 > 1:22:45attitude in society so, there needs fob more education before procedures

1:22:45 > 1:22:50are under taken. Nigel, what is it like to see

1:22:50 > 1:22:56someone like Andrew, who has a part of your son in him?The first time

1:22:56 > 1:23:02you meet a recipient of one of your loved one's organs, it is a surreal

1:23:02 > 1:23:05period. There is somebody who is walking around with a part of your

1:23:05 > 1:23:14loved one, but it gives you a great privilege to be able to somebody's

1:23:14 > 1:23:19life and that's something to be very proud of and I remember my son every

1:23:19 > 1:23:23day for pride for what he did because otherwise we lost a

1:23:23 > 1:23:2616-year-old boy and no good would have come out of that tragic loss.

1:23:26 > 1:23:32Now we see something really amazing happen.Andrew, tell us what you did

1:23:32 > 1:23:39when you first saw a photograph of Martin?When I first saw the

1:23:39 > 1:23:43photograph, I actually cried because it made it very real. It's not just

1:23:43 > 1:23:49a piece of flesh or whatever. But I was always aware of the realness

1:23:49 > 1:23:54because my son was only six years younger than Martin when it

1:23:54 > 1:24:00happened. And so, there was always, I always had some sort of compassion

1:24:00 > 1:24:05there. It wasn't just a medical procedure. It wasn't like taking a

1:24:05 > 1:24:11tablet or anything like that. This was real. When Martin and I always

1:24:11 > 1:24:16wanted to say thank you personally, writing down is not as much as my

1:24:16 > 1:24:20wife would say, I am very good with words when I'm writing, I still

1:24:20 > 1:24:24needed to have that human contact, you know, that we still need as

1:24:24 > 1:24:30humans to say thank you. Yeah, it was very powerful. It came up and I

1:24:30 > 1:24:38was in the study and yeah, but then I had been, I'm not crazy, believe

1:24:38 > 1:24:44me, but I had been talking to it, as a third person for the last few

1:24:44 > 1:24:48years to him rather. Tell us about the decision you and

1:24:48 > 1:24:54your wife made to donate Martin's organs?Mart continue died very

1:24:54 > 1:24:59suddenly. So, we didn't really think about what was going to happen.

1:24:59 > 1:25:05Typically like most families in the UK, we were working very hard, two

1:25:05 > 1:25:10kids, full of life, you don't expect as a parent to lose your children so

1:25:10 > 1:25:14it's not a conversation you really think you need to have. So we hadn't

1:25:14 > 1:25:18really discussed it with our children so when that happened, we

1:25:18 > 1:25:22had to go with our feelings of what we felt and what we thought Martin

1:25:22 > 1:25:27would want. Martin was a very loving, caring child, who always

1:25:27 > 1:25:31helped people, always wanted to help, wanted to be a nurse. So we

1:25:31 > 1:25:34felt, if he wanted to help people in his life, surely he would wish to

1:25:34 > 1:25:39help people when he died. So for us, it was a very simple decision.

1:25:39 > 1:25:45I mean you will know that if we move to this scenario of presumed consent

1:25:45 > 1:25:49in England, families won't be able to refuse organ donation which does

1:25:49 > 1:25:54happen. Some refuse...They will be able to refuse. It's a soft opt-out.

1:25:54 > 1:25:58So they will be given the option whether they wish to donate. Where

1:25:58 > 1:26:03the Government seems to hope will happen that if families are on the

1:26:03 > 1:26:07Organ Donor Register, there is an 80% consent rate. If they are on the

1:26:07 > 1:26:11register, there is only a 40%, they are hoping with an opt-out system

1:26:11 > 1:26:14they will say to somebody, this person hasn't opted out, so

1:26:14 > 1:26:18therefore, they must have opted in to try and push them to that 80%. It

1:26:18 > 1:26:21doesn't work quite that way because they haven't truly opted in so there

1:26:21 > 1:26:27is still that doubt in the family's mind that grief kicks in, that

1:26:27 > 1:26:32indecision of interest truly that loved one wishes, they will still

1:26:32 > 1:26:37refuse.That is why you say it is not enough on its own. Thank you

1:26:37 > 1:26:42very much. Are you well?I'm very well. I'm got a wonderful life. Two

1:26:42 > 1:26:47beautiful children. Wonderful life. I work with amazing people. Yeah,

1:26:47 > 1:26:52life is very good.Good.Thanks to this gentleman and his wife and his

1:26:52 > 1:26:55son. ? Thank you very much for coming on

1:26:55 > 1:27:00the programme, Andrew. Thank you very much, Nigel, thank you.

1:27:00 > 1:27:04The US ambassador to Britain said he expects Donald Trump to visit

1:27:04 > 1:27:06the UK in the new year despite his recent Twitter row

1:27:06 > 1:27:09with Theresa May after he shared videos posted by the far-right group

1:27:09 > 1:27:12Britain First.

1:27:12 > 1:27:18If and when the US President comes to the UK -

1:27:18 > 1:27:21it won't be a state visit, but he will be hosted by the Queen

1:27:21 > 1:27:22at Buckingham Palace or Windsor Castle.

1:27:22 > 1:27:27Joining me now is the leader of the Liberal Democrats, Sir Vince Cable.

1:27:27 > 1:27:31He said one of Theresa May's biggest political mistakes was to invite

1:27:31 > 1:27:35Donald Trump here on a state visit in the early days of his presidency.

1:27:35 > 1:27:39Hello to you, Sir Vince Cable?Good morning.What do you think about him

1:27:39 > 1:27:43popping if for a cup of tea?Well, it's terribly embarrassing for the

1:27:43 > 1:27:47Government and I think Theresa May realised she made a big mistake when

1:27:47 > 1:27:55she invited him. I think they assumed he would be moderated in the

1:27:55 > 1:27:58quay the republican establishment was intending to do, but he has been

1:27:58 > 1:28:05his own man and endorsed the white sue prem assist movement last summer

1:28:05 > 1:28:09in a damaging and inflammatory way and he endorsed in neo-Nazi group in

1:28:09 > 1:28:13the UK and humiliated Theresa May, you know, she will be desperately

1:28:13 > 1:28:17hoping this whole problem could be kicked in the long grass, but if the

1:28:17 > 1:28:22ambassador is right, he intends to take up the invite and this will be

1:28:22 > 1:28:25extraordinarily awkward for the British Government because it will

1:28:25 > 1:28:28be massively opposed in Britain.Do you think he should be able to pop

1:28:28 > 1:28:32in for a cup of tea?No, I don't think. I think there is a difference

1:28:32 > 1:28:37between doing business with the United States which you can do in

1:28:37 > 1:28:42all kinds of ways which we do with President Putin in rush Russia and

1:28:42 > 1:28:46the symbolism which is attached to honouring a head of state through a

1:28:46 > 1:28:50meeting with the Queen and the other tasks that go with it. If he pops in

1:28:50 > 1:28:54to see his golf course in Scotland, to check up on the business, that's

1:28:54 > 1:29:02a different proposition, but coming here, officially, with all the

1:29:02 > 1:29:07involvement of royalty, that should be off limits and the British

1:29:07 > 1:29:11Government should say no.Right, just to be absolutely clear. Are you

1:29:11 > 1:29:14saying he shouldn't be allowed to come in the New Year?Well, on the

1:29:14 > 1:29:19basis that it has been described, he certainly should not be welcomed

1:29:19 > 1:29:24here, no, absolutely not.You will have heard the Home Secretary, Amber

1:29:24 > 1:29:27Rudd saying, urging yourself and her colleagues, her Conservative

1:29:27 > 1:29:31colleagues, to look at the bigger picture, that the relationship with

1:29:31 > 1:29:36the US is vital for security and co-operation on terrorism?Well, of

1:29:36 > 1:29:40course, we have to have good business-like relationship with all

1:29:40 > 1:29:44the major powers in this world. We have to have a business-like

1:29:44 > 1:29:47relationship with China, for similar reasons. They are roughly comparable

1:29:47 > 1:29:52in economic size to the United States, they, you know, they are

1:29:52 > 1:29:57part of key organisations, we've got to deal with their president and

1:29:57 > 1:29:59their government and similarly, President Putin, but there are

1:29:59 > 1:30:04military issues there as well, so we have to have a relationship. It's

1:30:04 > 1:30:11quite a different matter to reach out the hand and pretend that the

1:30:11 > 1:30:15so-called special relationship that we once had the with United States

1:30:15 > 1:30:22is a live force when he is openly aabusing our Prime Minister and

1:30:22 > 1:30:25challenging the basic values on which our country rests. That's a

1:30:25 > 1:30:30different thing altogether.Wouldn't it be good for Theresa May to sit

1:30:30 > 1:30:37him down in Number Ten and tell him that what he did was wrong?

1:30:37 > 1:30:41I think that is what she tried to do in Washington and seriously

1:30:41 > 1:30:45misjudged the man. The assumption all along has been that he somehow

1:30:45 > 1:30:48or other could have been talked out of his extreme behaviour and

1:30:48 > 1:30:53inflammatory actions and speeches but he is very much his own man and

1:30:53 > 1:31:01he is what he says he is. Embracing extreme racist movements, neo-Nazi

1:31:01 > 1:31:06groups in the UK, is absolutely off-limits and the British

1:31:06 > 1:31:10government should put its foot down and say look, he's not welcome.In

1:31:10 > 1:31:15order to get a trade deal with the US post Brexit we need stores

1:31:15 > 1:31:19personal relations between the American president the British Prime

1:31:19 > 1:31:23Minister.This is what it was about in the first instance but this idea

1:31:23 > 1:31:28of a trade deal is a fantasy anyway. Under the present arrangements which

1:31:28 > 1:31:33Theresa May negotiated last week and nothing can happen until the end of

1:31:33 > 1:31:38what will probably be quite a long transition, so we are talking years

1:31:38 > 1:31:42and years away. By then there will have probably been a change in the

1:31:42 > 1:31:46American Congress saw this legislation be difficult to pass

1:31:46 > 1:31:50anyway. It's far from clear a special trade deal would be in our

1:31:50 > 1:31:53interests, there are things the Americans are pushing for in terms

1:31:53 > 1:31:59of health and animal standards, dispute settlement procedure is,

1:31:59 > 1:32:03special treatment for their own companies, they could be very

1:32:03 > 1:32:09damaging to us so rushing into a deal with the United States has no

1:32:09 > 1:32:13urgency and is perhaps not even in our interests.Thank you for talking

1:32:13 > 1:32:18to us, Sir Vince Cable, leader of the Liberal Democrats who does not

1:32:18 > 1:32:21want Donald Trump to come here in the New Year and says the British

1:32:21 > 1:32:27government should not host him either. Tom has texted us to say, on

1:32:27 > 1:32:32a different subject, I worked as a male sex worker for four years when

1:32:32 > 1:32:37I was at university. I used to meet men in public toilets. Rape and

1:32:37 > 1:32:41violence were commonplace but I felt reporting it would be humiliating

1:32:41 > 1:32:45and a waste of time. In the next few minutes we will hear more from male

1:32:45 > 1:32:51sex workers on why they would not report an assault to the police.

1:32:51 > 1:32:53We'll speak to Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary

1:32:53 > 1:32:55about why they are asking police officers not to stop

1:32:55 > 1:33:02people for drugs simply because they smell cannabis.

1:33:04 > 1:33:07Time for the latest news, here's Ben.

1:33:07 > 1:33:09Inflation has increased to its highest level

1:33:09 > 1:33:11in nearly six years.

1:33:11 > 1:33:16The rate of the Consumer Prices Index rose to 3.1 % last month.

1:33:16 > 1:33:19It means the squeeze on what households can afford, continues.

1:33:19 > 1:33:22The Office for National Statistics said that airfares and computer

1:33:22 > 1:33:28games contributed to the increase.

1:33:28 > 1:33:30The most recent data shows that average weekly wages

1:33:30 > 1:33:32are growing at just over 2%.

1:33:32 > 1:33:34In November, the Bank of England raised the interest rate

1:33:34 > 1:33:38for the first time in more than a decade from a

1:33:38 > 1:33:41quarter-a-percent to half-a-percent.

1:33:41 > 1:33:43Four people are being questioned on suspicion of murder,

1:33:43 > 1:33:46after three children died in a house fire in Salford, early

1:33:46 > 1:33:51yesterday morning.

1:33:51 > 1:33:53The victims have been named locally as 14-year-old Demi Pearson,

1:33:53 > 1:33:58who died at the scene.

1:33:58 > 1:34:00Her 7-year-old sister Lacie and 8-year-old brother Brandon

1:34:00 > 1:34:01died later in hospital.

1:34:01 > 1:34:03Their mother Michelle Pearson is in a serious condition along

1:34:03 > 1:34:06with a fourth sibling, three-year-old Lia who is critical.

1:34:06 > 1:34:09Temperatures of minus 13 celsius have been recorded in Shropshire

1:34:09 > 1:34:12on the coldest night of the year so far.

1:34:12 > 1:34:15The Met Office extended yellow warnings for snow and ice until late

1:34:15 > 1:34:18this morning and the AA has warned that driving could be "hazardous".

1:34:18 > 1:34:24Hundreds of schools will stay closed for a second successive day.

1:34:24 > 1:34:28The industry regulator for gambling is warning that Children as young

1:34:28 > 1:34:31as 11 are using so-called skin betting websites, which let players

1:34:31 > 1:34:35gamble with virtual items as if they are currency.

1:34:35 > 1:34:38The items are often modified guns or knives within a video game,

1:34:38 > 1:34:41which is what's known as a 'skin'.

1:34:41 > 1:34:44The items can then be sold and turned back in to real money.

1:34:44 > 1:34:47It's part of a wider report for The Gambling Commission

1:34:47 > 1:34:49which says that around 370,000 11 to 16-year-olds have

1:34:49 > 1:34:57spent their own money on gambling in the past week.

1:34:57 > 1:34:59A new study suggests that offering shopping vouchers

1:34:59 > 1:35:03to new mothers can encourage them to breastfeed their babies.

1:35:03 > 1:35:07About 10,000 new mothers in Yorkshire, Derbyshire

1:35:07 > 1:35:12and Nottinghamshire were offered up to £200 in vouchers as an incentive.

1:35:12 > 1:35:13Breastfeeding rates increased in these areas,

1:35:13 > 1:35:21which typically have low uptake.

1:35:24 > 1:35:27IPhone and health visitors unsupportive, they are more

1:35:27 > 1:35:30concerned about statistics and baby is gaining weight rather than

1:35:30 > 1:35:35supporting mothers. I found this with my second child who refuse to

1:35:35 > 1:35:39feed from one side. I later found out it was because I had breast

1:35:39 > 1:35:44cancer. Another text says I had premature twins and was made to feel

1:35:44 > 1:35:50a failure even when being made to try to feed such underweight babies

1:35:50 > 1:36:01was dangerous. Bertrand bottle feeding as bad or selfish can be

1:36:01 > 1:36:03truly dangerous.

1:36:05 > 1:36:09The sports headlines this morning, Alastair Cook says England's field

1:36:09 > 1:36:12disciplinary issues have been overblown by the media but does

1:36:12 > 1:36:16accept they cannot afford to make any more mistakes. England are in

1:36:16 > 1:36:21Perth at the moment, 2-0 down ahead of the third test which start on

1:36:21 > 1:36:28Thursday. Conflicting stories of the disagreement outside the Old

1:36:28 > 1:36:33Trafford dressing rooms on Sunday, the FA are still waiting to hear

1:36:33 > 1:36:36from both clubs on their observations before deciding whether

1:36:36 > 1:36:40or not to take any action. Stoke City players confronted by their own

1:36:40 > 1:36:45bands as they travel home by train from the 5-1 defeat at home to

1:36:45 > 1:36:49Spurs, it might be the reality check his players need according to Mark

1:36:49 > 1:36:56Hughes. Clermont Auvergne thrashed Saracen 46-14, the match had been

1:36:56 > 1:37:03put back a day because of snow. That's all your sport, I will be

1:37:03 > 1:37:06back on BBC News after 11am.

1:37:06 > 1:37:08This morning we've been hearing from male sex workers.

1:37:08 > 1:37:10Their voices are often unheard in any discussion

1:37:10 > 1:37:11about decriminalisation of prostitution or about

1:37:11 > 1:37:14safety of sex workers.

1:37:14 > 1:37:17Research obtained by this programme suggests that 12% of male sex

1:37:17 > 1:37:20workers have been sexually assaulted in the last five years,

1:37:20 > 1:37:25but most are unlikely to report it to the police.

1:37:25 > 1:37:27Earlier we brought you a film from our reporter Michael Cowan

1:37:27 > 1:37:30who gained rare access to four male sex workers.

1:37:30 > 1:37:33Here's a short extract.

1:37:33 > 1:37:36It contains upsetting testimony and interviews that may not be

1:37:36 > 1:37:41suitable for children.

1:37:41 > 1:37:45Around 5% of male sex workers operate on the streets

1:37:45 > 1:37:50and Manchester has the most male street sex workers in the country.

1:37:50 > 1:37:53Hayley Speed works for one of only a handful of organisations across

1:37:53 > 1:37:56the UK that supports these men.

1:37:56 > 1:37:59People tell you these things have happened

1:37:59 > 1:38:01without seeing it that seriously.

1:38:01 > 1:38:02"I got raped the other night."

1:38:02 > 1:38:05Like they got wet from it raining, the normalisation of quite

1:38:05 > 1:38:08extreme behaviours.

1:38:08 > 1:38:09"Did you tell the police?"

1:38:09 > 1:38:15"No, it's par for the course."

1:38:15 > 1:38:18Research seen exclusively by this programme found over 12% of male sex

1:38:18 > 1:38:21workers they spoke to have been sexually assaulted in

1:38:21 > 1:38:24the last five years.

1:38:24 > 1:38:27The same study found 70% of male respondents were unlikely to report

1:38:27 > 1:38:30crimes to the police.

1:38:30 > 1:38:32Tyler fled his home town for Manchester when his family

1:38:32 > 1:38:35disowned him for being gay.

1:38:35 > 1:38:37He became homeless.

1:38:37 > 1:38:41And within a week, he had turned to sex work.

1:38:41 > 1:38:44You were raped by a client?

1:38:44 > 1:38:48So, I got a job, I got called to go to a job in a hotel.

1:38:48 > 1:38:50I'd been there for an hour or two, having a drink.

1:38:50 > 1:38:54When I went, there was one person.

1:38:54 > 1:39:01I woke up, no clothes on, on the bed, sprawled out with, like,

1:39:01 > 1:39:05four men naked around me.

1:39:05 > 1:39:07And they had drugged you?

1:39:07 > 1:39:11They spiked my drink.

1:39:11 > 1:39:14I passed out within 20 minutes.

1:39:14 > 1:39:17Gone for hours.

1:39:17 > 1:39:20So when you woke up and there are four men around you...

1:39:20 > 1:39:24Masturbating and everything, yeah.

1:39:24 > 1:39:28What was going through your head?

1:39:28 > 1:39:29What to do.

1:39:29 > 1:39:33Do I get up and leave?

1:39:33 > 1:39:37Or if I try to leave, what will they do?

1:39:37 > 1:39:41I was just so scared, really.

1:39:41 > 1:39:47I was trying to figure out, were they here before I passed out?

1:39:47 > 1:39:50I just had to get out of there, had to leave.

1:39:50 > 1:39:51They didn't care.

1:39:51 > 1:39:55They really didn't care.

1:39:55 > 1:39:58They just literally let me leave, normally.

1:39:58 > 1:40:03When something like that happens and you've been doing sex work,

1:40:03 > 1:40:09some sex workers are reticent or afraid to go to the police.

1:40:09 > 1:40:12We went there, you know, not knowing.

1:40:12 > 1:40:15You would never go there if you knew what was going to happen.

1:40:15 > 1:40:17You are afraid that people are going to be, like,

1:40:17 > 1:40:20"You're a sex worker, it's your own fault."

1:40:20 > 1:40:24I was just afraid.

1:40:24 > 1:40:27Sorry.

1:40:27 > 1:40:30Do you know what really gets me?

1:40:30 > 1:40:35It's the fact that because I'm a guy, they think it's not as bad

1:40:35 > 1:40:36as a woman being raped.

1:40:36 > 1:40:40It's exactly the same.

1:40:40 > 1:40:43Let's talk now to Del Campbell from the charity National Ugly Mugs

1:40:43 > 1:40:46which works with sex workers across the UK.

1:40:46 > 1:40:50James Johnson who used to be a sex worker.

1:40:50 > 1:40:53From Manchester we're joined by Hayley Speed from the Men's Room,

1:40:53 > 1:41:01one of the only UK charities that supports male workers.

1:41:01 > 1:41:05Thank you all of you for coming on the programme. One of the biggest

1:41:05 > 1:41:08obstacles for men getting, either going to the police if they have

1:41:08 > 1:41:12been the victim of assault or getting support generally is the

1:41:12 > 1:41:18stigma around being a male sex worker, tell us about it.It is

1:41:18 > 1:41:22interesting, of the workers we have signed up, the men are least likely

1:41:22 > 1:41:27to want to reported to the police. The stigma is around the fact that

1:41:27 > 1:41:32it's very much seen, the spotlight is on females in the industry. There

1:41:32 > 1:41:38might be drugs involved. They might be migrant workers. The whole issue

1:41:38 > 1:41:42around male sexual violence is stigmatised in itself so the

1:41:42 > 1:41:45combination of, and also male sex workers not knowing their own

1:41:45 > 1:41:51rights, not knowing the laws in this country around sex work. There are

1:41:51 > 1:41:57class a drugs involved in which case it might become the focus of the

1:41:57 > 1:42:02investigation.So they end up questioned rather than being

1:42:02 > 1:42:07supported as a victim.Yes and they also might get an enquiry over if

1:42:07 > 1:42:13they have been in a brothel.You are a former sex worker James, if you

1:42:13 > 1:42:19had been assaulted in your time would you have reported it?No. I

1:42:19 > 1:42:26certainly would not. I worked over two periods of time in sex work,

1:42:26 > 1:42:33once in a brothel and as an escort. There were occasions within that,

1:42:33 > 1:42:39within the brothel that the balance of power shifted out of my hands

1:42:39 > 1:42:45into that of the client. I would not the finals as salt -- I would not

1:42:45 > 1:42:48define that as assault but there were power struggles where it was

1:42:48 > 1:42:52out of my hands and there was no records for me to go somewhere to

1:42:52 > 1:42:57talk about that because running a brothel in and of itself was

1:42:57 > 1:43:05illegal. Rights were already skewed, compromised.Therefore if you had

1:43:05 > 1:43:09been assaulted you would not have gone to the police because you would

1:43:09 > 1:43:12have had to potentially reveal you are working in a brothel and you

1:43:12 > 1:43:16could have been questioned about committing an offence. As well as

1:43:16 > 1:43:22everyone else working there as well presumably. It is an issue, we can

1:43:22 > 1:43:26see it is difficult for male sex workers to access help or anything.

1:43:26 > 1:43:35How do you change that?I think it's about education, always of raising

1:43:35 > 1:43:41awareness. People involved in survival, it's about the more

1:43:41 > 1:43:44broader services having the awareness, housing and health,

1:43:44 > 1:43:54people do not, people do not get asked about it. I suppose it's about

1:43:54 > 1:44:01special services needing to be there to respond to that need. Thinking

1:44:01 > 1:44:05about, closures across the country with smaller charities like ours

1:44:05 > 1:44:12losing funding and having to go. We are missing resources.Be really

1:44:12 > 1:44:17clear, how different is the world of male sex work to female sex work.

1:44:17 > 1:44:22The routes into it are often very different. Some of the motivations

1:44:22 > 1:44:29are very different. The stereotype with street sex work tends to be

1:44:29 > 1:44:31around alcohol dependency with women and we don't see that with males,

1:44:31 > 1:44:37it's about getting kicked out and homelessness as a result of their

1:44:37 > 1:44:42sexuality, the lack of housing, then isolation, a lack of support

1:44:42 > 1:44:50networks. If you lose to a city and you don't have the support network.

1:44:50 > 1:44:57-- if you move to a city.How do you potentially inform male sex workers

1:44:57 > 1:45:04about risky clients?They can sign up to our service and once they have

1:45:04 > 1:45:09done they can get alerts on their mobile phones or e-mails which

1:45:09 > 1:45:13detail risky clients, gives them brief descriptions, half the mobile

1:45:13 > 1:45:17number or e-mail and they can make a more informed choice about whether

1:45:17 > 1:45:21they see that person if the description matches a client. What

1:45:21 > 1:45:25they can then do is we encourage those male sex workers to come

1:45:25 > 1:45:32forward who have got details of someone to work with us and we can

1:45:32 > 1:45:35hopefully find a contact in the police who is understanding and

1:45:35 > 1:45:39non-judgemental about the work they do.What do you think of that idea

1:45:39 > 1:45:40James?

1:45:45 > 1:45:50It's a brilliant project.But?There is a struggle between because of

1:45:50 > 1:45:56situation we find ourselves in where there is this current should we

1:45:56 > 1:45:59decriminalise sex work or is it going to be legalised and what does

1:45:59 > 1:46:03that look like? And because at the moment there isn't really a space at

1:46:03 > 1:46:08the table where sex workers have been invited to be involved in what

1:46:08 > 1:46:13that might look like, I think that for a lot of people it will still

1:46:13 > 1:46:17remain something that they are cautious about approaching but where

1:46:17 > 1:46:21we offer to a seat at the table for sex workers to say what is it that

1:46:21 > 1:46:27you need to be able to access better health care and education, if you

1:46:27 > 1:46:32want to leave sex work. I haven't sex worked for a long time and I

1:46:32 > 1:46:36have a wonderfully joyful life, but sex work certainly drove me towards

1:46:36 > 1:46:41the work that I do now which is towards the caring for other people.

1:46:41 > 1:46:48So...How did you leave then?I made a chis.Right.There is a narrative

1:46:48 > 1:46:52around sex work which is something we struggle about. There is one

1:46:52 > 1:46:56narrative which is the narrative of victimhood.Or exploitation?Or

1:46:56 > 1:47:00exploitation. There is another narrative which is around sex

1:47:00 > 1:47:03positivity and there is not much of a discussion around the knewsons

1:47:03 > 1:47:07that exists between the two and I was somebody that was able to choose

1:47:07 > 1:47:15to enter into sex work. Twice and leave without it causing me

1:47:15 > 1:47:19significant harm or damage. That is not the truth of everybody.Of

1:47:19 > 1:47:27course.But it is of some people as well. So how do we invite all of

1:47:27 > 1:47:31those voices to participate?It is a good conversation for another day.

1:47:31 > 1:47:34Thank you very much all of you, I really appreciate your time, thank

1:47:34 > 1:47:38you very much.

1:47:39 > 1:47:42Police are less likely to find illegal substances on black

1:47:42 > 1:47:44people than white people, despite the fact that if you're

1:47:44 > 1:47:47black you're more than eight times more likely to be stopped

1:47:47 > 1:47:49and searched than if you're white.

1:47:49 > 1:47:52That's according to analysis by Her Majesty's Inspectorate

1:47:52 > 1:47:54of Constabulary who describe the disparity as "troubling".

1:47:54 > 1:48:00They're asking police officers not to stop people in the street

1:48:00 > 1:48:06and search them for drugs simply because they smell cannabis.

1:48:06 > 1:48:10Last month this programme reported on Stop and Search and spoke to one

1:48:10 > 1:48:12former special constable who said "unconscious bias is a massive issue

1:48:12 > 1:48:18within the Metropolitan Police".

1:48:18 > 1:48:22I have seen many police officers stop people that what I consider

1:48:22 > 1:48:25would be based on their racial prejudices because of the colour

1:48:25 > 1:48:29of their skin and even when we were training to be police

1:48:29 > 1:48:31officers I distinctly remember that we had one particular trainer

1:48:31 > 1:48:33who was very open in his views.

1:48:33 > 1:48:37His words were, "If we rock up to a core when there is a group

1:48:37 > 1:48:39of eight or nine young black guys wearing hoodies, they're

1:48:39 > 1:48:40going to get spun.

1:48:40 > 1:48:41They're going to get turned over.

1:48:41 > 1:48:44They're going to get stopped", and my response to that was why?

1:48:44 > 1:48:49In this scenario that you've sort of concocted,

1:48:49 > 1:48:52there is no other information other than the fact that they are young

1:48:52 > 1:48:57black men and that they are wearing hoodies and that's the only factor

1:48:57 > 1:49:06in your decision-making in that they're going to get searched.

1:49:06 > 1:49:08Mike Cunningham is one of Her Majesty's Inspectors of

1:49:08 > 1:49:11Constabulary.

1:49:11 > 1:49:13Jonathan Hinds says he is the victim of police saying

1:49:13 > 1:49:15they could smell cannabis as a pretext to detain him

1:49:15 > 1:49:18under stop and search.

1:49:18 > 1:49:21Let's talk to Mr Cunningham. Good morning. Just be clear about what

1:49:21 > 1:49:26you're saying to police officers. Well, what we're saying and this is

1:49:26 > 1:49:32a broad report about how police and gender enhance the trust and

1:49:32 > 1:49:36confidence of communities and within this report, this one troubling

1:49:36 > 1:49:41issue is right in the mid-of it which is around disparity and stop

1:49:41 > 1:49:45and search that there are, you are far more likely to be stopped and

1:49:45 > 1:49:49searched if you're black than if you're white and we want to alert

1:49:49 > 1:49:54the service to that. We want to share the findings and we have

1:49:54 > 1:49:57required the service in our recommendation for them to explain

1:49:57 > 1:50:04why this disparity is there and if they can't explain it, to narrow it.

1:50:04 > 1:50:08What do you mean narrow it?Lessen the fact that you are more likely to

1:50:08 > 1:50:14be stopped and searched if you are black than if you're height.So to

1:50:14 > 1:50:17stop, stopping and searching black people just because you might be

1:50:17 > 1:50:22able to smell cannabis or think you can?The stop and search on cannabis

1:50:22 > 1:50:26is a niche point within the report and what we're saying here is that

1:50:26 > 1:50:31the smell of cannabis alone, can be lawful, it is for an officer to

1:50:31 > 1:50:36justify their use of this intrusive power and we know that stop and

1:50:36 > 1:50:42search overall has reduced massively in recent years by 75%.

1:50:42 > 1:50:46Interestingly, it has reduced less for black people than for white

1:50:46 > 1:50:53people. The overall reduction is 75% for black people. It is 66%.Let me

1:50:53 > 1:50:59bring in Jonathan Hinds. You say police wrongly cited cannabis as a

1:50:59 > 1:51:03reason to stop and search you. Tell our audience what happened, briefly?

1:51:03 > 1:51:07I was with my cousin and we were going to a shopping centre and came

1:51:07 > 1:51:11out of the petrol station and a box van of police asked us to pull over

1:51:11 > 1:51:16and they wanted to speak to us. We asked what the situation is as we

1:51:16 > 1:51:19have all the right to be in the vehicle and on the road. They said

1:51:19 > 1:51:22they could smell cannabis interest their vehicle, in our vehicle, and

1:51:22 > 1:51:29pulled us off for a stop. You know, it isn't something that we're not

1:51:29 > 1:51:33used to being the demographic that I am in and the area that I'm in, it

1:51:33 > 1:51:37always happens so we kind of know how to deal with these things. We

1:51:37 > 1:51:43don't really get angry about it because we have been in positions

1:51:43 > 1:51:46where police have been overly physical and they have used the

1:51:46 > 1:51:49power that they have to protect themselves through this. That's why

1:51:49 > 1:51:53I just feel that understanding and knowledge will just help us all

1:51:53 > 1:51:56moving forward. How many times has this happened to

1:51:56 > 1:52:00you, would you say?From a youth growing up, this is like a regular

1:52:00 > 1:52:06occurrence.How old are you now?I'm 32 now.How many time do you think

1:52:06 > 1:52:10you have been stopped and searched and because they have said it is

1:52:10 > 1:52:15because they can smell something? Three times. The most recent was in

1:52:15 > 1:52:20August. What they used the smell of cannabis, by speaking to the police

1:52:20 > 1:52:25on the site at the time, they find they know it's difficult, you can't

1:52:25 > 1:52:38small a gun. Smell a gun. But for someone it you look at a particular

1:52:38 > 1:52:41demographic, you say, "I smell cannabis." If you have got a group

1:52:41 > 1:52:47of 20 black boys someone will have can disin them, it doesn't mean they

1:52:47 > 1:52:50always smell it and it's not right. What happens is you isolate the

1:52:50 > 1:52:54community. When you need help for the murders, for the killings, the

1:52:54 > 1:52:57stabbings, these are the people that you want to come out and help you.

1:52:57 > 1:53:02So when you hear one of the inspectors saying, urging police not

1:53:02 > 1:53:05to stop people purely because they can smell cannabis, what do you say

1:53:05 > 1:53:12to him?I say to him, it would be easier for the police, most

1:53:12 > 1:53:17definitely easier for the police to do their work if they didn't have to

1:53:17 > 1:53:21stop people for cannabis. They have to tackle it and at the end of the

1:53:21 > 1:53:26day, wouldn't it be easier and better if we got fines from the

1:53:26 > 1:53:31legal cannabis community, we created one here to help the police tackle

1:53:31 > 1:53:36higher targeted crime. Now, that would be smart. But we don't do

1:53:36 > 1:53:41those things here. I don't understand why.OK.Instead we

1:53:41 > 1:53:45isolate other demographics and when issues happen like in 2011, the

1:53:45 > 1:53:50riots, this is all stemming from the relationship between the police and

1:53:50 > 1:53:56the communities.Lack of trust.If you don't change this, nothing will

1:53:56 > 1:54:05change.Thank you for coming on the programme, Jonathan and Mike.

1:54:05 > 1:54:12This morning we have been talking about calling for new mums to

1:54:12 > 1:54:15receive incentives to breast-feed their babies. A lot of you have

1:54:15 > 1:54:21criticised the scheme. A lot of you said that you could target the funds

1:54:21 > 1:54:25in relevant ways like more midwives or better support. We're going to

1:54:25 > 1:54:30talk to lots of you. So many of you got in touch. Clare is in Surrey

1:54:30 > 1:54:37along with her seven-month-old son. Terry is in Wolverhampton with her

1:54:37 > 1:54:4416 week old daughter and on the phone is Kate in Portsmouth. Kate,

1:54:44 > 1:54:50doesn't want us to use her surname which is fine. Clare, good idea, bad

1:54:50 > 1:54:56idea?Bad idea.Why?Really bad because I don't think bottle-feeding

1:54:56 > 1:55:01is the easy option. Some people can't breast-feed. I chose to

1:55:01 > 1:55:05breast-feed for a month and then I had to go back on medication for a

1:55:05 > 1:55:10medical condition. I would have loved to have breast fed for longer

1:55:10 > 1:55:19so to bribe people to carry on breast-feeding is shocking.Terry,

1:55:19 > 1:55:24hello, good idea, bad idea?I don't think it is a bad idea in case it

1:55:24 > 1:55:30does encourage some people to continue breast-feeding or start

1:55:30 > 1:55:35feeding, but I think the money could be used elsewhere to fund support

1:55:35 > 1:55:37for people who are difficulty breast-feeding.Kate, what about

1:55:37 > 1:55:45yourself?Yes, I think it is a good idea. I found myself that when I

1:55:45 > 1:55:51started it was very hard work and at times I wanted to give up. But you

1:55:51 > 1:55:55have got to keep with it and keep trying and obviously like the first

1:55:55 > 1:55:59month I was in tears a lot of the time, but I had really good support

1:55:59 > 1:56:05and there was a base rate feeding unit support that I called up and

1:56:05 > 1:56:10they helped me with latching on and stuff and they have been really good

1:56:10 > 1:56:13ever since even when I have rung them up, they have offered to come

1:56:13 > 1:56:17out, the support is there in you want to do it.It's not always

1:56:17 > 1:56:22there. Even if you do want to do it, it's clearly different, depending on

1:56:22 > 1:56:25which part of the country you're in and what the local trust services

1:56:25 > 1:56:31are like.It depends where you're from, doesn't it?Let's say you had

1:56:31 > 1:56:36the offer of shopping vouchers up to possibly £200 over six months, and

1:56:36 > 1:56:41you found it a struggle after a month. Would the incentive of the

1:56:41 > 1:56:44shopping vouchers have made you try harder or were you already trying

1:56:44 > 1:56:49hard?They would be for me because I would be someone to think of the

1:56:49 > 1:56:54money and push harder for it.Right. For me, it would be. It is not for

1:56:54 > 1:57:01everyone. But yeah, for me, I would think it is a really good idea.

1:57:01 > 1:57:04And Clare, as you say, even if the vouchers had been there, you had to

1:57:04 > 1:57:08stop after a month anyway, so you might have felt a bit...I don't

1:57:08 > 1:57:13think money should be an incentive to breast-feed.

1:57:13 > 1:57:17But this trial has shown that breast-feeding rates have gone up by

1:57:17 > 1:57:236% and it is a big trial, it is 10,000 women.

1:57:23 > 1:57:30So it is affecting some, it is encouraging some to do it.I had no

1:57:30 > 1:57:37support. He was struggling to latch on. My mum helped me get him latched

1:57:37 > 1:57:42on to enable me to breast-feed for a month.Wow. How is your maternity

1:57:42 > 1:57:47leave going, Clare?Very well. I'm loving it.Good. And what about you

1:57:47 > 1:57:51Terry?I'm loving maternity leave. We are getting involved in different

1:57:51 > 1:57:55adventures and groups so really liking it.Brilliant. And what about

1:57:55 > 1:58:02you, Kate?Loving every minute of it. Especially now I have got used

1:58:02 > 1:58:06to the breast-feeding, it is easier now. I'm loving all of it and mostly

1:58:06 > 1:58:10not at all.And being able to watch our programme. Thank you very much.

1:58:10 > 1:58:15Really nice to talk to you. Continued success with the rest of

1:58:15 > 1:58:20your maternity leave. Tomorrow, failing schools and the republican

1:58:20 > 1:58:25candidate who is about to get elected despite being accused of

1:58:25 > 1:58:29sexual misconduct. Thank you for company today. We're back tomorrow

1:58:29 > 1:58:31at 9am.