0:00:06 > 0:00:07Hello, it's Tuesday, it's nine o'clock,
0:00:07 > 0:00:12I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.
0:00:12 > 0:00:16Our top story today - journalist Toby Young has resigned
0:00:16 > 0:00:18from the universties watchdog, after widespread
0:00:18 > 0:00:20criticism of crude and offensive remarks he'd made in the past
0:00:20 > 0:00:22about women's breasts, people in poverty,
0:00:22 > 0:00:27and people with disabilities
0:00:27 > 0:00:35When you hear those kind of things from people who know nothing about
0:00:35 > 0:00:40this, you entertain, and if I'm honest with you, horrible thoughts
0:00:40 > 0:00:45about the people making those comments.So Toby Young is a bad,?
0:00:45 > 0:00:48Well, the things he has written have been bad.
0:00:48 > 0:00:52Could Toby Young have continued in his role?
0:00:52 > 0:00:54Letters know your own view.
0:00:54 > 0:00:56Also on the programme - around 700 migrants are living rough
0:00:56 > 0:00:59in Calais again trying to make their way over to the UK,
0:00:59 > 0:01:07a year after the so-called Jungle camp was destroyed.
0:01:07 > 0:01:13This place will never leave me. No-one can stop this.
0:01:13 > 0:01:15We'll get reaction from truckers and migrants.
0:01:15 > 0:01:17If you're a lorry driver and regularly drive through Calais,
0:01:17 > 0:01:27really keen to hear from you this morning.
0:01:29 > 0:01:38And a UK wide ban on products like these containing microbeads comes
0:01:38 > 0:01:41into force today, but campaigners say it does not go far enough, we
0:01:41 > 0:01:46will find out why.
0:01:53 > 0:01:57Hi, welcome to the programme, we live until 11 bring you the latest
0:01:57 > 0:02:01breaking news and developing stories. He may well hold her first
0:02:01 > 0:02:07Cabinet meeting since the reshuffle that was not that much a reshuffle.
0:02:07 > 0:02:13-- Theresa May will hold. We will profile the new Work and Pensions
0:02:13 > 0:02:16Secretary, Esther McVey, whose appointment has been met with some
0:02:16 > 0:02:19surprise, if not criticism. Get in touch on the stories we are talking
0:02:19 > 0:02:22about today.
0:02:22 > 0:02:24Our top story today -
0:02:24 > 0:02:27journalist Toby Young has resigned from the board of the Office for
0:02:27 > 0:02:29Students after more than 200,000 people signed a petition
0:02:29 > 0:02:31calling for him to go.
0:02:31 > 0:02:34In an article in the Spectator,
0:02:34 > 0:02:36he says his appointment had become a distraction
0:02:36 > 0:02:38from the board's vital work
0:02:38 > 0:02:42of broadening access to higher education.
0:02:42 > 0:02:48It follows accusations that he had made offensive comments on Twitter.
0:02:48 > 0:02:50In an interview with Andrew Marr on Sunday,
0:02:50 > 0:02:54Theresa May appeared to back Mr Young,
0:02:54 > 0:03:03saying he had done "exceedingly good work in relation to free schools."
0:03:04 > 0:03:07Norman is at Westminster, why has he resigned now, especially with
0:03:07 > 0:03:12Theresa May backing him?I think he could see that this was not going to
0:03:12 > 0:03:17go away. Only yesterday, the Government was full to make a
0:03:17 > 0:03:20statement in the Commons defending Toby Young and really just listening
0:03:20 > 0:03:24to MPs, it wasn't just opposition MPs, senior Conservatives were
0:03:24 > 0:03:28deeply unhappy at his appointment because of the sort of signals it
0:03:28 > 0:03:34sent out, the sort of things he had written. It was argued, he just
0:03:34 > 0:03:38could not hold a prominent public post having said those sort of
0:03:38 > 0:03:41things, and it was argued that if a head teacher or a vice Chancellor
0:03:41 > 0:03:46had made similar remarks about women or people with disabilities, then
0:03:46 > 0:03:51they would have been sacked. I mean, just to be clear, in some of his
0:03:51 > 0:03:56articles, he had argued in favour of so-called progressive eugenics,
0:03:56 > 0:04:01genetic selection to improve the IQ amongst poorer working-class people,
0:04:01 > 0:04:07he had attacked the provision of wheelchair ramps in schools, he had
0:04:07 > 0:04:12repeatedly commented about women's breasts, and you know, there was a
0:04:12 > 0:04:16mounting hue and cry over his appointment. What has made it more
0:04:16 > 0:04:19political and given an edge to it, particularly in the current
0:04:19 > 0:04:25reshuffle climate is the fact that as you say, Mrs May, only on Sunday,
0:04:25 > 0:04:29was standing by Toby Young, saying that although she had not been told
0:04:29 > 0:04:34about his comments in the past, she accepted that she was not impressed
0:04:34 > 0:04:38by them, but by and large, provided he didn't say them again, he could
0:04:38 > 0:04:42carry on, have a listen to what she said on the Andrew Marr programme.
0:04:42 > 0:04:45First of all, Toby Young has done exceedingly good work
0:04:45 > 0:04:47in relation to free schools, and that's what led
0:04:47 > 0:04:49to him being appointed to the Office for Students.
0:04:49 > 0:04:51When he was appointed, I was not aware of these
0:04:51 > 0:04:55comments that he had made.
0:04:55 > 0:04:57Frankly, I'm not at all impressed by those comments.
0:04:57 > 0:05:00He is now in public office and, as far as I'm concerned,
0:05:00 > 0:05:03if he was to continue to use that sort of language and talk
0:05:03 > 0:05:05in that sort of way, he would no longer be
0:05:05 > 0:05:06in public office.
0:05:06 > 0:05:09So for the time being, he's apologised and from your point of
0:05:09 > 0:05:11view, that's enough, he can carry on?
0:05:11 > 0:05:12He's apologised.
0:05:12 > 0:05:15But, as I say, if he continues to talk and use this sort
0:05:15 > 0:05:20of language, then he will no longer be in public office.
0:05:20 > 0:05:24Norman, this is what the audience are saying - John has said,
0:05:24 > 0:05:28everybody has cupboards containing skeletons, just a case that someone
0:05:28 > 0:05:31knows about their existence and decides to use them to their own
0:05:31 > 0:05:39advantage, whatever happened... Fiona on Facebook points out, Toby
0:05:39 > 0:05:46Young's eugenics I was published in 2015, long after he got involved in
0:05:46 > 0:05:50education, so his apology may mean that he thinks it is not as bad as
0:05:50 > 0:05:54his shocking misogyny and homophobia. The point being that if
0:05:54 > 0:05:57he had carried on, you would never have been able to get away from the
0:05:57 > 0:06:02things he has written in the past.I suspect he came to that conclusion
0:06:02 > 0:06:05himself, and although he describes himself this morning as a
0:06:05 > 0:06:11journalistic provocateur, I don't think that in any way was going to
0:06:11 > 0:06:17satisfy his critics or meet some of the concerns about his appointment.
0:06:17 > 0:06:22And, in a way, the questions now are, why did Mrs May cut him that
0:06:22 > 0:06:26slack at the weekend? Why didn't she take on board the concerns, look at
0:06:26 > 0:06:31the way the wind was blowing and say, I'm afraid, in the
0:06:31 > 0:06:35circumstances, no, he cannot take up the post? As it is, she finds
0:06:35 > 0:06:40herself under attack for not sacking him, as does the Foreign Secretary,
0:06:40 > 0:06:44Boris Johnson, because when he was challenged about the appointment, he
0:06:44 > 0:06:48went out of his way to say that he thought he was an ideal candidate
0:06:48 > 0:06:56for the job, that the criticism of him was ridiculous. So there are
0:06:56 > 0:07:01significant, it seems to me, political ramifications from his
0:07:01 > 0:07:04resignation.Thank you very much, Norman. We asked Toby Young for an
0:07:04 > 0:07:09interview on the programme today, he has texted back saying, sorry, not
0:07:09 > 0:07:15doing any media on this. Later, an interview with the chair of the
0:07:15 > 0:07:19Education Select Committee, a Conservative MP who has cerebral
0:07:19 > 0:07:25palsy himself, and he tells us that Toby Young's comments on people with
0:07:25 > 0:07:27disabilities are horrible and unacceptable and that what he has
0:07:27 > 0:07:30written in the past is bad. Let's bring you the rest of the morning's
0:07:30 > 0:07:33news with Ben Brown.
0:07:33 > 0:07:39The Education Secretary Justine Greening has resigned
0:07:39 > 0:07:42from the Government after refusing a job as Work and Pensions Secretary
0:07:42 > 0:07:44in Theresa May's Cabinet reshuffle.
0:07:44 > 0:07:45It's also understood that Jeremy Hunt was asked
0:07:45 > 0:07:47to become Businesss Secretary, but persuaded
0:07:47 > 0:07:49the Prime Minister to keep him at the Department of Health.
0:07:49 > 0:07:52Theresa May is expected to make more changes to her Cabinet later today.
0:07:52 > 0:07:54Leila Nathoo reports.
0:07:54 > 0:07:58Are you confident of staying in Government?
0:07:58 > 0:08:01After a day of few surprises, it was Education Secretary Justine Greening
0:08:01 > 0:08:04who threw the biggest spanner in the works
0:08:04 > 0:08:07of Theresa May's cautious plans, emerging from Downing Street
0:08:07 > 0:08:10having quit the Government, rather than move to take charge of welfare,
0:08:10 > 0:08:12as she was asked to do.
0:08:12 > 0:08:15And it is understood the Health Secretary, Jeremy Hunt,
0:08:15 > 0:08:18who was also in line for a move, this time to business,
0:08:18 > 0:08:21successfully argued to stay where he was.
0:08:21 > 0:08:23A reshuffle designed to breathe new life into the Government
0:08:23 > 0:08:26did see a few switch jobs, a handful promoted.
0:08:26 > 0:08:29But there was no movement in the top positions,
0:08:29 > 0:08:33and the Cabinet make-up is largely unchanged.
0:08:33 > 0:08:35Though there was a shake-up of staff in charge
0:08:35 > 0:08:37of running the Conservative Party,
0:08:37 > 0:08:41to try to broaden its appeal and revive the Tory electoral machine.
0:08:41 > 0:08:43Now, on day two of the reshuffle,
0:08:43 > 0:08:47Theresa May's focus turns to the junior ministerial roles.
0:08:47 > 0:08:50Number Ten says the Prime Minister will promote young talent
0:08:50 > 0:08:51from the backbenches.
0:08:51 > 0:08:52Downing Street is promising the new ministerial team
0:08:52 > 0:08:55will be more diverse, with more women and MPs
0:08:55 > 0:09:03from minority backgrounds, so it better reflects the country.
0:09:03 > 0:09:06The UK's equality watchdog has said it will write to
0:09:06 > 0:09:08the BBC about claims of unlawful pay discrimination made by its former
0:09:08 > 0:09:11China editor, Carrie Gracie.
0:09:11 > 0:09:14The Equality and Human Rights Commission says it will then decide
0:09:14 > 0:09:18if further action is required.
0:09:18 > 0:09:20Ms Gracie resigned after she discovered a gap
0:09:20 > 0:09:25between her salary and that of her male counterparts.
0:09:25 > 0:09:28North Korea has agreed to send athletes accompanied by senior
0:09:28 > 0:09:31officials to the Winter Olympics in South Korea next month.
0:09:31 > 0:09:34The two countries have held their first talks for more than two years
0:09:34 > 0:09:38in the demilitarised zone that divides the peninsula.
0:09:38 > 0:09:39The South Korean delegation
0:09:39 > 0:09:41has also proposed more contacts between the two countries
0:09:41 > 0:09:51in what appears to be a significant move to lower tension in the region.
0:09:51 > 0:09:54A UK-wide ban on the manufacturing of cosmetics and care products
0:09:54 > 0:09:57containing microbeads has come into force today, in an attempt
0:09:57 > 0:10:01to cut down on the amount of plastic in our oceans.
0:10:01 > 0:10:05The beads that are used in hundreds of face washes and shower gels
0:10:05 > 0:10:06are often ingested by sea animals
0:10:06 > 0:10:09and can even end up entering our food chain.
0:10:09 > 0:10:12It will be followed by a wider ban on the sale of products containing
0:10:12 > 0:10:16microbeads later in the year.
0:10:16 > 0:10:20One of the world's oldest silverback male gorillas
0:10:20 > 0:10:22has died at Longleat Safari Park in Wiltshire.
0:10:22 > 0:10:25The Park said staff there were "truly saddened"
0:10:25 > 0:10:27at the death of 56-year-old Nico,
0:10:27 > 0:10:31who passed away in his sleep on Sunday.
0:10:31 > 0:10:34It said Nico's main keeper had been working with him since 1989
0:10:34 > 0:10:41and the pair had forged an extraordinarily close bond.
0:10:41 > 0:10:51That's a summary of the latest BBC News, more at 9:30.
0:10:51 > 0:10:55We are going to be showing you a film from Calais in a moment or two,
0:10:55 > 0:11:00our reporter has been there, reporting on the so-called Jungle
0:11:00 > 0:11:05camp for a number of years for you. We know it was destroyed in October
0:11:05 > 0:11:092016, but it would appear that there are hundreds and hundreds of
0:11:09 > 0:11:13migrants back there, and the French police are trying to disperse them.
0:11:13 > 0:11:17Damocles tweets to say, don't the French care about people? Don't they
0:11:17 > 0:11:21have a duty to help these poor souls? We will show you her film in
0:11:21 > 0:11:23just a few minutes.
0:11:23 > 0:11:26Do get in touch with us throughout the morning,
0:11:26 > 0:11:29use #VictoriaLive.
0:11:29 > 0:11:32If you are a lorry driver who travels through Calais, we want your
0:11:32 > 0:11:33experiences this morning.
0:11:33 > 0:11:34Let's get some sport.
0:11:34 > 0:11:40Sarah is here. How did the video assistant referee at the Brighton
0:11:40 > 0:11:47game go?Not too badly, there was a bit of debate late on, Brighton won
0:11:47 > 0:11:50the game 2-1 against Crystal Palace, they go through to the fourth round
0:11:50 > 0:11:55of the FA Cup, but let's look at it, the screen on the side of the pitch
0:11:55 > 0:11:59that the referee can use. It is already in use around Europe in
0:11:59 > 0:12:05Italy and Germany, but this goal late on from Glenn Murray, there was
0:12:05 > 0:12:09some debate, look at this, as it goes in, as to whether it was
0:12:09 > 0:12:13handball. Now, the referee, Andre Marriner, decided that there was
0:12:13 > 0:12:19nothing to look into, he was happy with the system. Some of the Palace
0:12:19 > 0:12:23players were not, you can see them surrounding him, but manager Roy
0:12:23 > 0:12:27Hodgson said it was a genuine goal, so I am sure the debate will rage
0:12:27 > 0:12:29on.
0:12:29 > 0:12:31The last time England lost the Ashes down under,
0:12:31 > 0:12:35there was a big overhaul on and off the pitch.
0:12:35 > 0:12:40What is going to happen this time? Yes, as the dust settles, we have
0:12:40 > 0:12:45found out that Trevor Bayliss will step down, but not until the end of
0:12:45 > 0:12:49the 2019 Ashes, when his contract expires, and the news will not be a
0:12:49 > 0:12:54shock to the England director of cricket, Andrew Strauss. Bayliss
0:12:54 > 0:12:58told of his plans a year ago but has only just made it public, and after
0:12:58 > 0:13:02the 4-0 defeat, he says that has nothing to do with the decision. He
0:13:02 > 0:13:06also vowed to start the job of building a team able to win down
0:13:06 > 0:13:11under. Member, the Australian came into the job in 2015, started well
0:13:11 > 0:13:15with a home Ashes win, but is General Test results have been
0:13:15 > 0:13:23mixed, losing 18, winning 15. -- his general Test results. He also spoke
0:13:23 > 0:13:27about the difficulties of dealing with the off field issues on the
0:13:27 > 0:13:33tour and said the penny had dropped for the players.Thank you very
0:13:33 > 0:13:38much, more from Sarah throughout the programme.
0:13:38 > 0:13:41Charities in Calais have told this programme around 700 migrants
0:13:41 > 0:13:43are living rough in the area again trying to make
0:13:43 > 0:13:45their way over to the UK.
0:13:45 > 0:13:46It's just over a year
0:13:46 > 0:13:48since the so-called Jungle camp was destroyed.
0:13:48 > 0:13:52But now French police say they're clearing tents and blankets daily
0:13:52 > 0:13:56to stop a camp re-forming there.
0:13:56 > 0:13:58Charities say awful living conditions mean people
0:13:58 > 0:14:00are taking massive risks.
0:14:00 > 0:14:04They claim a 15-year-old boy was killed over the Christmas break
0:14:04 > 0:14:09trying to jump on a truck to reach his brother here in the UK.
0:14:09 > 0:14:11Our reporter Catrin Nye has just returned from Calais.
0:14:11 > 0:14:14Here's her report.
0:14:14 > 0:14:20Calais is a darker place than I've ever seen it.
0:14:20 > 0:14:23This is my fifth time reporting here, and it's more hostile...
0:14:23 > 0:14:27More desperate...
0:14:27 > 0:14:30Colder, wetter, miserable.
0:14:30 > 0:14:32I promise you one thing.
0:14:32 > 0:14:33This...
0:14:33 > 0:14:39This place will never get finished.
0:14:39 > 0:14:43This scrap of land used to be home to more than 7000 people.
0:14:43 > 0:14:46It was the Jungle, right?
0:14:46 > 0:14:48This is what remains of the Jungle now, yeah.
0:14:48 > 0:14:52Not very much.
0:14:52 > 0:14:54In October 2016, French authorities cleared the camp here,
0:14:54 > 0:15:00known as the Jungle.
0:15:03 > 0:15:06But people have kept on coming, some back from centres
0:15:06 > 0:15:08they were dispersed to, finding new places to
0:15:08 > 0:15:14set up temporary home.
0:15:14 > 0:15:18So now the Jungle's gone, dozens of people every night
0:15:18 > 0:15:20are sleeping between these massive mounds of industrial waste,
0:15:20 > 0:15:24right in the middle of Calais.
0:15:24 > 0:15:29Charities estimate that up to 700 people are here now,
0:15:29 > 0:15:34many again pitching tents in the woods for shelter.
0:15:34 > 0:15:36But the police are constantly pulling these down because they
0:15:36 > 0:15:42don't want new camps here.
0:15:42 > 0:15:47So this is where you sleep?
0:15:47 > 0:15:50This is...
0:15:50 > 0:15:52Yeah.
0:15:52 > 0:15:53Our roof is...
0:15:53 > 0:15:55Standing because of these trees.
0:15:55 > 0:15:58If we didn't have these trees, we could not sleep here.
0:15:58 > 0:16:00Ikram is 18 and from Nangarhar, one of Afghanistan's
0:16:00 > 0:16:02most dangerous regions.
0:16:02 > 0:16:04He's only been in Calais a week.
0:16:04 > 0:16:05It must be so cold?
0:16:05 > 0:16:07It is.
0:16:07 > 0:16:12And, you know, how does it feel when it is cold and you are wet?
0:16:12 > 0:16:13Like, your clothes, everything is wet.
0:16:13 > 0:16:16How long do you think you can live like this?
0:16:16 > 0:16:17Three months, four months.
0:16:17 > 0:16:19I hope I don't...
0:16:19 > 0:16:20I just don't get sick.
0:16:20 > 0:16:24Because I don't want to leave.
0:16:24 > 0:16:27The vast majority here are men from four countries -
0:16:27 > 0:16:32Afghanistan, like Ikram, also Sudan, Eritrea and Ethiopia.
0:16:32 > 0:16:36The flow of people from Africa to Europe through smugglers
0:16:36 > 0:16:38is still strong, and many Afghans were already in Europe before
0:16:38 > 0:16:44of the routes were disrupted.
0:16:44 > 0:16:46Charity workers like Annie are trying to use very
0:16:46 > 0:16:48difficult conditions.
0:16:48 > 0:16:51So there's nowhere here to settle, even if you are lucky enough to get
0:16:51 > 0:16:55a tent and sleeping bag and be warm for the night, you're likely to lose
0:16:55 > 0:16:59it the next morning.
0:16:59 > 0:17:02So we've just noticed some police over here,
0:17:02 > 0:17:04taking people's possessions out of the woods.
0:17:04 > 0:17:06So we're going to speak to them.
0:17:06 > 0:17:09The men in the white outfits, were they helping you clear?
0:17:09 > 0:17:11Just so we know what was going on.
0:17:11 > 0:17:15OK.
0:17:20 > 0:17:21Look, you will return?
0:17:21 > 0:17:22OK?
0:17:22 > 0:17:24OK.
0:17:24 > 0:17:25It's forbidden for you to stay here.
0:17:25 > 0:17:26OK, thank you.
0:17:26 > 0:17:30OK, thank you.
0:17:30 > 0:17:34How often, Annie, do they clear people's possessions here?
0:17:34 > 0:17:35There is one clearance every day, normally.
0:17:35 > 0:17:39Do you sympathise with the police at all?
0:17:39 > 0:17:41They will have been told to do that.
0:17:41 > 0:17:43They are saying it is private property.
0:17:43 > 0:17:44I mean, they are following orders.
0:17:44 > 0:17:47I guess they are trying to prevent what they call
0:17:47 > 0:17:50the fixation point in the area.
0:17:50 > 0:17:53Except a fixation point to you and me might be
0:17:53 > 0:17:57a camp, and nobody really wants another camper.
0:17:57 > 0:18:00That's not what anybody's asking.
0:18:16 > 0:18:19What do they spray the tents with?
0:18:19 > 0:18:21We've had so many reports of the police spraying
0:18:21 > 0:18:24with tear gas, tents, sleeping bags, blankets.
0:18:24 > 0:18:26And people themselves.
0:18:26 > 0:18:30People have been woken up by just being sprayed in the face.
0:18:30 > 0:18:32And that is not a legitimate use of tear gas.
0:18:32 > 0:18:36It's an excessive use of force.
0:18:44 > 0:18:46This man gets very upset.
0:18:46 > 0:18:48Added to that there are rumours amongst the migrant population that
0:18:48 > 0:18:51journalists like us and even charity workers are colluding with the
0:18:51 > 0:18:55French government and the police.
0:18:55 > 0:19:00So we turn the camera off.
0:19:08 > 0:19:11The guys keep asking for permission to go back into the woods and see
0:19:11 > 0:19:14if they can take their stuff, but the police won't let them.
0:19:14 > 0:19:18With each new camp we visited, another police clearance.
0:19:20 > 0:19:25Are you clearing the tents?
0:19:28 > 0:19:31As it pours with rain, a police truck leaves
0:19:31 > 0:19:39with the latest haul of tents and sleeping bags.
0:19:39 > 0:19:48The stuff being confiscated has been donated by charities set up locally,
0:19:48 > 0:19:50a huge number of volunteers are British.
0:19:50 > 0:19:51Good morning, everyone, and welcome.
0:19:51 > 0:19:54Thank you, everyone, for being here so bright and early.
0:19:54 > 0:19:56In March last year, local authorities barred humanitarian
0:19:56 > 0:19:57groups from giving out aid to migrants.
0:19:57 > 0:20:00It's going to be raining outside, it's really wet outside.
0:20:00 > 0:20:02A local court struck down that order within weeks,
0:20:02 > 0:20:05and volunteers are still coming to Calais, just in smaller numbers.
0:20:05 > 0:20:08I've been here almost two and a half years now,
0:20:08 > 0:20:11and the conditions that we have at the moment are the worst that
0:20:11 > 0:20:12we've ever had in this place.
0:20:12 > 0:20:16And that is because people are constantly being moved on.
0:20:16 > 0:20:19They are still very much on the edge all the time.
0:20:19 > 0:20:22Does it make your job harder when people don't trust you?
0:20:22 > 0:20:24Erm...
0:20:24 > 0:20:27It does, but it's normal.
0:20:27 > 0:20:28It's just the way it is?
0:20:28 > 0:20:30Yeah.
0:20:30 > 0:20:33I mean, we're not necessarily here to make friends with everybody.
0:20:33 > 0:20:36We're just trying to keep people alive.
0:20:36 > 0:20:40What we're seeing is that the conditions in which people
0:20:40 > 0:20:43are forced to live right now are pushing people to take such
0:20:43 > 0:20:53extreme risks, risks that they wouldn't otherwise take.
0:20:54 > 0:20:57So unfortunately last month two refugees died at the border.
0:20:57 > 0:20:58One of them was a 15-year-old boy.
0:20:58 > 0:21:00And one person is still in critical condition
0:21:00 > 0:21:01after being severely injured.
0:21:01 > 0:21:03What's the solution to all of this?
0:21:03 > 0:21:05You can't want to see the Jungle reform here?
0:21:05 > 0:21:08What we really want is just basic provisions allowing people
0:21:08 > 0:21:10to survive, and then for their cases to be fairly assessed
0:21:10 > 0:21:13while they are here.
0:21:14 > 0:21:16So there are many, many people who have a legal
0:21:16 > 0:21:19right to be in the UK, but it takes so long to access
0:21:19 > 0:21:23those legal routes that people just give up.
0:21:23 > 0:21:27The fact that the French asylum system is so overcrowded
0:21:27 > 0:21:30and it just cannot cope.
0:21:30 > 0:21:33When you're speaking to people here, if you hear a case that is quite
0:21:33 > 0:21:36clearly not going to get someone asylum in the UK or in
0:21:36 > 0:21:40France, do you tell them?
0:21:40 > 0:21:47What we really want is for people to get assessed by the appropriate
0:21:47 > 0:21:48authorities, and then they had to decide.
0:21:48 > 0:21:49It's not up to us.
0:21:49 > 0:21:52Ikram used to live in Norway, where he was given temporary asylum.
0:21:52 > 0:21:56But after a year he was told he would be sent back to Afghanistan
0:21:56 > 0:21:58to live in the capital, Kabul, where it was judged safe,
0:21:58 > 0:22:00rather than the region he's from.
0:22:00 > 0:22:02I don't want to go back, and I will never.
0:22:02 > 0:22:05I don't want to go.
0:22:05 > 0:22:07I can live anywhere in Europe.
0:22:07 > 0:22:10It can be a Jungle, it can be a place like this.
0:22:10 > 0:22:12But I'm not going back.
0:22:12 > 0:22:17And that no one can decide without me.
0:22:17 > 0:22:20As soon as you are without parents in Afghanistan, you are deciding
0:22:20 > 0:22:22to go in army or Taliban.
0:22:22 > 0:22:26That is your choice.
0:22:26 > 0:22:32So do you want me to go to Taliban, or...?
0:22:32 > 0:22:34That's why I don't want to go back.
0:22:34 > 0:22:35Do you worry about that, though?
0:22:35 > 0:22:38Do you worry that if you end up in England they might
0:22:38 > 0:22:41say the same as Norway, you could go and live in Kabul?
0:22:41 > 0:22:44Believe me, if they did this, if they said the same thing
0:22:44 > 0:22:46like Norway said to me, believe me, I will
0:22:46 > 0:22:48kill myself there.
0:22:48 > 0:22:49Because...
0:22:49 > 0:22:50OK, where should I go?
0:22:50 > 0:22:52I...
0:22:52 > 0:22:55I should go back to any other country and just begging for asylum,
0:22:55 > 0:22:57begging for everything?
0:22:57 > 0:22:58Come on.
0:22:58 > 0:22:59I am tired.
0:22:59 > 0:23:01I want to stop somewhere.
0:23:01 > 0:23:04I want to just...
0:23:04 > 0:23:07Just seriously, OK, what is the problem if I start to go
0:23:07 > 0:23:10to my school, start my education, do the right things.
0:23:10 > 0:23:13What is the problem?
0:23:13 > 0:23:15And what's it like trying to jump on the trucks?
0:23:15 > 0:23:17I haven't tried.
0:23:17 > 0:23:18You haven't tried?
0:23:18 > 0:23:21So you're waiting to try?
0:23:21 > 0:23:28I'm waiting for try.
0:23:28 > 0:23:30We could have a truck with migrants on board.
0:23:30 > 0:23:33Has the driver asked for the security check,
0:23:33 > 0:23:36because he thinks he's got them on board?
0:23:36 > 0:23:40On this truck out here.
0:23:40 > 0:23:42This is just the truck, just over there.
0:23:42 > 0:23:44Stuart Madden is chief operating officer at this massive
0:23:44 > 0:23:46truck stop in Calais.
0:23:46 > 0:23:47They now have a security team constantly checking
0:23:47 > 0:23:51lorries for people inside.
0:23:51 > 0:23:54This is footage of just before Christmas where a truck's come on.
0:23:54 > 0:23:56Someone coming out of the roof.
0:23:56 > 0:24:00Last June at a driver was killed in Calais when a van crashed
0:24:00 > 0:24:03into lorries that had been forced to stop by a makeshift barrier set
0:24:03 > 0:24:09by migrants trying to boards trucks.
0:24:09 > 0:24:13We've had drivers arrive on site who have been physically harassed,
0:24:13 > 0:24:16that have had their windscreens smashed and, of course,
0:24:16 > 0:24:19there is damage to vehicles.
0:24:19 > 0:24:22But Stuart's also seen cases where lorry drivers
0:24:22 > 0:24:24are willingly smuggling people.
0:24:24 > 0:24:26Do you know how much someone can get paid for it,
0:24:26 > 0:24:28for taking someone over in a truck?
0:24:28 > 0:24:32A lot of the drivers are from Eastern Europe
0:24:32 > 0:24:36and can be paid only 500, 600 euros a month.
0:24:36 > 0:24:39Even if it's 1000 or 2000 euros, that's a significant increase
0:24:39 > 0:24:43in disposable income.
0:24:43 > 0:24:46And how is it for you, seeing this every day?
0:24:46 > 0:24:49We try our best here to deal with a difficult situation in order
0:24:49 > 0:24:50to ensure that trucks, their drivers, the
0:24:50 > 0:24:55cargo are kept safe.
0:24:55 > 0:24:58What we need is to reflect upon is where these
0:24:58 > 0:25:00migrants have come from.
0:25:00 > 0:25:01Eritrea, where if you're 16, you're conscripted
0:25:01 > 0:25:11automatically into the army for an indefinite period.
0:25:11 > 0:25:15So if you are a young Eritrean and you have the option of trying
0:25:15 > 0:25:17to make a better life for yourself in Europe, then you're
0:25:17 > 0:25:18probably going to try.
0:25:18 > 0:25:19And so it continues.
0:25:19 > 0:25:22All day and all night here, people still try their chances,
0:25:22 > 0:25:24trying to get a ride to the UK.
0:25:24 > 0:25:27It must be a dilemma for you that you are enabling Calais to exist
0:25:27 > 0:25:30and it grew because of charity presence, and now
0:25:30 > 0:25:35it's growing again?
0:25:35 > 0:25:38It's an ongoing conversation, but at the same time when not
0:25:38 > 0:25:40enabling people to come here.
0:25:40 > 0:25:45They would be here anyway.
0:25:45 > 0:25:45They would be here anyway.
0:25:45 > 0:25:45They would be here anyway.
0:25:45 > 0:25:46They would be here anyway.
0:25:46 > 0:25:50They would be here anyway.
0:25:53 > 0:25:55We're just giving them the very basic tools to survive.
0:25:55 > 0:25:58They got rid of this camp, you know, more than a year ago,
0:25:58 > 0:25:59but people are here again.
0:25:59 > 0:26:09Has anyone been put off by the fact that there's not a proper camp here?
0:26:11 > 0:26:12I promise you one thing, this...
0:26:12 > 0:26:13This place will never get finished.
0:26:13 > 0:26:15It will be people here, every time.
0:26:15 > 0:26:18No one can stop this.
0:26:18 > 0:26:22We will talk to a young man who came to Britain illegally underneath a
0:26:22 > 0:26:26lorry. We will talk to him later on in the programme. We will talk to
0:26:26 > 0:26:29the Road Haulage Association and a driver who is in charge of various
0:26:29 > 0:26:33other lorries as well. I want to hear from you if you are a trucker
0:26:33 > 0:26:37and you travel regularly through Calais, let us know what it is like
0:26:37 > 0:26:46at the moment. Gezza says, "Real refugees would be
0:26:46 > 0:26:52grate fofl the first safe haven, not travelling across countries in a
0:26:52 > 0:26:58freezing tent waiting to get on a lord to Britain." , "The world needs
0:26:58 > 0:27:02more compassion." Jay says we are overwhelmed with immigrants and we
0:27:02 > 0:27:07have to look after our own." Kate says, "The migrants wanting to come
0:27:07 > 0:27:10to Britain are the problem of France. All have been allowed to
0:27:10 > 0:27:14ignore international law and no matter how sorry you feel for them,
0:27:14 > 0:27:18we have no room for them and we do not want them." With regards to the
0:27:18 > 0:27:31claims you heard in the film, the leadical authority told us:
0:27:31 > 0:27:33"Police forces act in Calais in accordance
0:27:33 > 0:27:35with the rule of law, with the sole objective of enforcing
0:27:35 > 0:27:37public order and security."
0:27:37 > 0:27:39"Coercion is used only when necessary, and the forces
0:27:39 > 0:27:40strictly obey the principle of the proportionality
0:27:40 > 0:27:42when responding to a risk."
0:27:42 > 0:27:46Gay couples in Australia have tied the knot on the first official day
0:27:46 > 0:27:48of ceremonies following the passing of a law to legalise
0:27:48 > 0:27:50same-sex marriage.
0:27:50 > 0:27:52Last year, the Australian Parliament overwhelming voted for same-sex
0:27:52 > 0:27:54marriage after a contentious referendum showed 62% of respondents
0:27:54 > 0:27:59wanted marriage equality.
0:27:59 > 0:28:08Let's talk to two couple who've just got married.
0:28:08 > 0:28:11They got married at midnight last night Australian time.
0:28:11 > 0:28:16Congratulations.Thank you. Tell us about the ceremony.
0:28:16 > 0:28:20Congratulations.Thank you. Tell us about the ceremony.
0:28:20 > 0:28:33PROBLEM WITH SOUND We had to stay up late.It is a
0:28:33 > 0:28:37really dodgy Skype line or Face time, but we'll persist because
0:28:37 > 0:28:43that's what we do on this programme. Who did you invite?We invited about
0:28:43 > 0:28:5140 of our friends and family. But it was an open invitation as well.Who
0:28:51 > 0:29:02turned up? From the open invitation, who turned up?The venue was at
0:29:02 > 0:29:09capacity. Capacity at several points throughout the night. It was about
0:29:09 > 0:29:18close to 100 people.And how was it? It was so good. It was really good.
0:29:18 > 0:29:27It was a nice feeling.This line is too bad, you know, we can't hear you
0:29:27 > 0:29:32enough, but I'm so frustrated. I'm so frustrated. Tell us finally when
0:29:32 > 0:29:35you heard the result of the national vote read out on TV back in
0:29:35 > 0:29:45November, how did you both react?We cried.Congratulations. Have a
0:29:45 > 0:29:53wonderful life together. Thank you both very much.
0:29:53 > 0:29:58Sorry about the technicals there. You know us, we like to plough on.
0:29:58 > 0:30:00Seine
0:30:00 > 0:30:02Still to come, tiny pieces of plastic known as mircobeads
0:30:02 > 0:30:04are banned from cosmetics and toiletries from today.
0:30:04 > 0:30:10We'll ask if the move goes far enough to tackle plastic pollution.
0:30:10 > 0:30:17Time for the latest news, here's Ben.
0:30:17 > 0:30:20Thanks, Victoria, the BBC News headlines:
0:30:20 > 0:30:22Journalist Toby Young has resigned from the board
0:30:22 > 0:30:24of the Office for Students after more than 200,000
0:30:24 > 0:30:26people signed a petition calling for him to go.
0:30:26 > 0:30:29In an article in the Spectator, he says his appointment
0:30:29 > 0:30:32had become a distraction from the board's vital work
0:30:32 > 0:30:33of broadening access to higher education.
0:30:33 > 0:30:39It follows accusations that he had made offensive comments on Twitter.
0:30:39 > 0:30:41The newly appointed chairman of the Conservative Party, Brandon Lewis,
0:30:41 > 0:30:44is insisting Theresa May is fully in control of her Cabinet,
0:30:44 > 0:30:47despite yesterday's reshuffle not going according to plan.
0:30:47 > 0:30:52Education Secretary Justine Greening resigned after refusing an offer
0:30:52 > 0:30:57to become Work and Pensions Secretary,
0:30:57 > 0:30:59and Jeremy Hunt turned down a move to business
0:30:59 > 0:31:01to remain as Health Secretary, with added responsibilities.
0:31:01 > 0:31:05The reshuffle will continue today, with more ministerial roles
0:31:05 > 0:31:09expected to go to women, younger MPs and those from ethnic minorities.
0:31:09 > 0:31:12Well, I think if you look at what the Prime Minister outlined
0:31:12 > 0:31:14yesterday in terms of how the departments are working,
0:31:14 > 0:31:16there's some really good new people coming in,
0:31:16 > 0:31:18we've got, you know, more women around the Cabinet table
0:31:18 > 0:31:21now than we've ever had before, we've got actually
0:31:21 > 0:31:22a very clear focus.
0:31:22 > 0:31:25The UK's equality watchdog has said it will write to the BBC
0:31:25 > 0:31:27about claims of unlawful pay discrimination
0:31:27 > 0:31:29made by its former China editor, Carrie Gracie.
0:31:29 > 0:31:32The Equality and Human Rights Commission says
0:31:32 > 0:31:35it will then decide if further action is required.
0:31:35 > 0:31:37Ms Gracie resigned after she discovered a gap
0:31:37 > 0:31:44between her salary and that of her male counterparts.
0:31:44 > 0:31:47North Korea has agreed to send athletes
0:31:47 > 0:31:49accompanied by senior officials to the Winter Olympics
0:31:49 > 0:31:53in South Korea next month.
0:31:53 > 0:31:55The two countries have held their first talks for more
0:31:55 > 0:31:58than two years in the demilitarised zone that divides the peninsula.
0:31:58 > 0:31:59The South Korean delegation
0:31:59 > 0:32:02has also proposed more contacts between the two countries
0:32:02 > 0:32:11in what appears to be a significant move to lower tension in the region.
0:32:11 > 0:32:17That's a summary of the latest BBC News.
0:32:17 > 0:32:23Some messages about journalist Toby Young, who has resigned this morning
0:32:23 > 0:32:30from the universities watchdog. Funny how this useless right-wing
0:32:30 > 0:32:34misogynist is regularly applied by the BBC to give his views on things.
0:32:34 > 0:32:39From Paul, how are we supposed to make up our minds about him when you
0:32:39 > 0:32:44do not tell us what he said? You, the BBC have decided that what he
0:32:44 > 0:32:47said was not acceptable. We have to accept the word of the progressive
0:32:47 > 0:32:51left in the BBC that he has said something wrong. We have
0:32:51 > 0:32:54pre-recorded an interview with the chair of the Education Select
0:32:54 > 0:32:58Committee when we go through some of his comments, with particular
0:32:58 > 0:33:01relation to some of his comments about people with disabilities.
0:33:01 > 0:33:05While watching Comic Relief in 2009, he wrote, what happened to your
0:33:05 > 0:33:13Winkleman's breasts? Put on some weight! While watching PMQs in 2011,
0:33:13 > 0:33:19he wrote, that is quite a cleavage behind Ed Miliband. In 2012, during
0:33:19 > 0:33:22PMQs, serious cleavage behind Ed Miliband, anybody know who it
0:33:22 > 0:33:29belongs to? And then in 2013 he responded to criticism of previous
0:33:29 > 0:33:32comments by saying that women who display a lot of cleavage should not
0:33:32 > 0:33:37complain when men notice them. In 2004 he wrote an article about
0:33:37 > 0:33:42pretending to be a lesbian for the night and embarking on a
0:33:42 > 0:33:46whistle-stop tour of New York's hottest lesbian clubs with the aim
0:33:46 > 0:33:50of drawing them into his confidence to make out with them on the dance
0:33:50 > 0:33:53floor. And so on. Sport now with Sarah.
0:33:53 > 0:33:56Brighton are through to the fourth round of the FA Cup after their
0:33:56 > 0:33:582-1 win against Crystal Palace.
0:33:58 > 0:34:01It was the first time VAR was used in a competitive match,
0:34:01 > 0:34:03and there was a little debate over Glenn Murray's winner
0:34:03 > 0:34:04three minutes from time.
0:34:04 > 0:34:08But the referee was happy with it.
0:34:08 > 0:34:12So Brighton through to meet Middlesbrough in the fourth round.
0:34:12 > 0:34:15Also meeting in the next round - League Two Yeovil Town,
0:34:15 > 0:34:17the lowest-ranked side left in the FA Cup,
0:34:17 > 0:34:20will host Manchester United.
0:34:20 > 0:34:23Tottenham also travel to League Two side Newport County.
0:34:23 > 0:34:27The full draw is on the website.
0:34:27 > 0:34:30England cricket coach Trevor Bayliss is going to step down,
0:34:30 > 0:34:35but not until the end of next year's Ashes, when his contract expires.
0:34:35 > 0:34:37He's also vowed to start the job of building a team
0:34:37 > 0:34:43able to win down under.
0:34:43 > 0:34:45And North Korea is to send a delegation to the Winter Olympics
0:34:45 > 0:34:50which will take place in South Korea next month.
0:34:50 > 0:34:56The delegation will include athletes, officials and supporters.
0:34:56 > 0:34:59A UK-wide ban on the manufacture of cosmetics and care
0:34:59 > 0:35:02products like these, containing tiny pieces of plastic
0:35:02 > 0:35:06- known as microbeads - has come into force.
0:35:06 > 0:35:08The ban is aimed at protecting the marine environment
0:35:08 > 0:35:11from one source of plastic pollution as microbeads can have potentially
0:35:11 > 0:35:17harmful effects when swallowed by fish and crustaceans.
0:35:17 > 0:35:20The ban affects products that rinse off - like face wash,
0:35:20 > 0:35:25toothpaste, shower gel - and it was announced back in 2016.
0:35:25 > 0:35:27You'll still be able to buy them in shops, though,
0:35:27 > 0:35:32till a ban on the sale comes into force later in the year.
0:35:32 > 0:35:37Many companies have been working to remove microbeads
0:35:37 > 0:35:39from their products already.
0:35:39 > 0:35:44But campaigners say they want the ban to go further.
0:35:44 > 0:35:46They want it to be extended to other so-called leave-on products,
0:35:46 > 0:35:49which you put on and don't wash off immediately, like body lotions,
0:35:49 > 0:35:52sun creams and some make-up, as well as abrasive cleaning
0:35:52 > 0:35:55products, many of which contain other types of tiny plastic.
0:35:55 > 0:36:00Microbeads only account for a small proportion of plastics in the ocean.
0:36:00 > 0:36:02The Prime Minister recently announced she wants to introduce
0:36:02 > 0:36:06some kind of charge on single-use plastics
0:36:06 > 0:36:08- like coffee cups, takeaway cartons and plastic packaging -
0:36:08 > 0:36:11and will start listening to ideas about how to do this
0:36:11 > 0:36:14in the coming months.
0:36:14 > 0:36:16Michael Gove, the Environment Secretary, is already considering
0:36:16 > 0:36:18whether to introduce a reward and return scheme
0:36:18 > 0:36:20for plastic bottles, which would see people paying
0:36:20 > 0:36:23a deposit when they buy a plastic bottle, which they would then
0:36:23 > 0:36:28get back if they returned it to the shop for recycling.
0:36:28 > 0:36:31And just look at the impact plastic can have on our beaches.
0:36:31 > 0:36:35Storm Eleanor has left these Cornish beaches littered with waste scooped
0:36:35 > 0:36:40up from the sea bed by the waves.
0:36:40 > 0:36:43One campaigner described it as a "tidal wave of waste" and said
0:36:43 > 0:36:47removing it would be a mammoth task.
0:36:47 > 0:36:51Let's discuss this now with Tisha Brown from Greenpeace,
0:36:51 > 0:36:54Professor Richard Thompson, a marine biologist
0:36:54 > 0:36:58from Plymouth University, who gave evidence to a parliamentary
0:36:58 > 0:37:02committee about microbeads, and Dr Chris Flower, director
0:37:02 > 0:37:04general of the Cosmetics, Toiletries and
0:37:04 > 0:37:11Perfumery Association.
0:37:11 > 0:37:14Good morning, thank you very much for coming on the programme. What
0:37:14 > 0:37:21impact is this ban is likely to have?It would reduce the amount of
0:37:21 > 0:37:25plastic entering our oceans, we are currently up to 12 million tonnes
0:37:25 > 0:37:29every year, which is the equivalent of a rubbish truck's worth every
0:37:29 > 0:37:35minute. We are very excited about the ban, it will help reduce the
0:37:35 > 0:37:39amount of plastic entering the oceans, which makes its way up the
0:37:39 > 0:37:43food chain, it is being ingested by fish, as you mentioned before. We
0:37:43 > 0:37:50are also finding these micro plastics in everything from beer to
0:37:50 > 0:37:55drinking water, honey, sea salt, all these things. It is concerning that
0:37:55 > 0:37:59we are having these where we do not expect them to be. We are happy that
0:37:59 > 0:38:05the ban is coming into force.So there is plastic and things like
0:38:05 > 0:38:10honey?Yeah, micro plastic has been found in all of those items.There
0:38:10 > 0:38:15is evidence for that?There is. Richard is behind you, sorry, if you
0:38:15 > 0:38:21turn around a bit, welcome to the programme. Richard Thompson, marine
0:38:21 > 0:38:26biologist, how damaging heart microbeads to ocean wildlife?Well,
0:38:26 > 0:38:30we know that a wide range of creatures can eat micro plastic, we
0:38:30 > 0:38:35looked at 500 fish from the English channel, and we found it in about a
0:38:35 > 0:38:39third of them. The laboratory evidence clearly shows that it can
0:38:39 > 0:38:44present harm to marine organisms, so anything we can do to reduce the
0:38:44 > 0:38:49influence is really important. As you say, it is part of the process,
0:38:49 > 0:38:54we need to look at other items too. Is there any difference between
0:38:54 > 0:39:00microbeads in rinse off products, or microbeads in lotions, make-up and
0:39:00 > 0:39:04suncream?I think that the thing that needs to be considered is that
0:39:04 > 0:39:09the benefit to society, and that was never really clear, why we needed to
0:39:09 > 0:39:13be cleansing ourselves with small pieces of plastic, as we look at
0:39:13 > 0:39:17other products, we need to think, is there a benefit from having the
0:39:17 > 0:39:21plastic there? For example, they are present in some paints as a pigment,
0:39:21 > 0:39:25but the pain stays on the wall of your house, it is not immediately
0:39:25 > 0:39:30rinse down the sink, passed through waste treatment into the sea. So it
0:39:30 > 0:39:36is a question of weighing the benefits.Chris, you are from the
0:39:36 > 0:39:40industry association, why does the cosmetic industry use microbeads in
0:39:40 > 0:39:45its product?Well, we don't know, that is absolutely clear.So there
0:39:45 > 0:39:54are no micro cosmetic products being made from now on?We did not put
0:39:54 > 0:39:58plastic microbeads in leave on products, because the texture is
0:39:58 > 0:40:01wrong, they are gritty particles intended to exfoliate and cleanse.
0:40:01 > 0:40:06You wouldn't want a pretty arterial on your face. So we need to separate
0:40:06 > 0:40:12that from the discussion about the ban which is currently in place. We
0:40:12 > 0:40:17welcome the ban, because it places a level playing field not just for our
0:40:17 > 0:40:22members, who voluntarily gave up from 2015, but also for imported
0:40:22 > 0:40:29products - they will now have to play by the same rules.Occurring...
0:40:29 > 0:40:34So we have a whole array of tables here, a whole array of goods on the
0:40:34 > 0:40:39tables which show single use plastic, is that Greenpeace's next
0:40:39 > 0:40:44objective, get this kind of plastic band, or at least, as Michael Gove
0:40:44 > 0:40:50suggesting, you have to pay for it? We are currently running a campaign
0:40:50 > 0:40:53encouraging to have these deposit return schemes, as you mentioned,
0:40:53 > 0:40:57where you pay a bit more when you buy a bottle, and it is returned for
0:40:57 > 0:41:03recycling. Scotland is already signalling that they want a deposit
0:41:03 > 0:41:07return system there. Westminster is now considering whether we can make
0:41:07 > 0:41:13that UK wide, it would be a great idea, stop those 16 million bottles
0:41:13 > 0:41:17not being recycled every day.Will it be effective?It has been used in
0:41:17 > 0:41:21various different countries, it has been used in Germany, where
0:41:21 > 0:41:26recycling rate of plastic bottles have increased up to 90%, so that is
0:41:26 > 0:41:28great. It has been trialled in other countries around the world, so we
0:41:28 > 0:41:32know it is an effective way of keeping them out of the environment.
0:41:32 > 0:41:37What about the rest of this stuff? The milk container, these plastic
0:41:37 > 0:41:45cups, the crisp packaging, grapes packaging.Yeah, the Treasury
0:41:45 > 0:41:48Department are looking at a consultation on taxes that we can
0:41:48 > 0:41:52possibly have on different single use items such as what is on the
0:41:52 > 0:41:57table, which we think would be good, but we really feel that it is for
0:41:57 > 0:42:00the manufacture of these products to pay and look at difference is tonnes
0:42:00 > 0:42:03of delivering their products, instead of passing on the cost to
0:42:03 > 0:42:12the consumer.Do you think a tax on single use plastics will deter
0:42:12 > 0:42:16people, reduce pollution in the oceans, or should it be paid for by
0:42:16 > 0:42:20the manufacturers?It is a range of measures that is important. The
0:42:20 > 0:42:25starting point micro, looking at that table, if I was to show it to
0:42:25 > 0:42:29someone recycling, some would say, yes I can recycle that, others would
0:42:29 > 0:42:32say, at the moment it could be recyclable but the way it is
0:42:32 > 0:42:40designed it is inadequate. The starting point has to be the design
0:42:40 > 0:42:46stage so that we are designing projects that means there is no
0:42:46 > 0:42:49escape to the environment and so that single use packaging is
0:42:49 > 0:42:53designed for end of life recovery. Up until now, we really haven't done
0:42:53 > 0:42:58a particularly good job of doing so. And I think we have been using
0:42:58 > 0:43:03microbeads in cosmetics now for 50 years since the patent came in,
0:43:03 > 0:43:08could not questions have been asked before now?Do you want to answer
0:43:08 > 0:43:12that?They were brought in because they were very effective, of course,
0:43:12 > 0:43:15but 50 years ago people were not aware of the environment and
0:43:15 > 0:43:23pollution the way we are today. In more recent times, once the issue
0:43:23 > 0:43:27was more aware, companies immediately took action to remove
0:43:27 > 0:43:31microbeads from their products.So the cosmetics industry is in the
0:43:31 > 0:43:35clear?We think we have shown a responsible approach to this. We
0:43:35 > 0:43:40want to work with ours now to tackle the issue of how we as a society use
0:43:40 > 0:43:43plastic.Would you agree they have been responsible in the cosmetics
0:43:43 > 0:43:49industry?I think, you know, they say they do not have plastic
0:43:49 > 0:43:54currently in different products, but the litter is a micro plastic, still
0:43:54 > 0:43:58used in many different products, and there are natural alternatives that
0:43:58 > 0:44:06we can use instead of it. -- glitter.That is also coming out of
0:44:06 > 0:44:10rinse off products now, plastic based glitter, that is why the
0:44:10 > 0:44:14Government was saying it is broader than any ban in the world, because
0:44:14 > 0:44:22it does cover those users too.But not in leave on products.But there
0:44:22 > 0:44:27are alternatives, and indeed, excuse me, most companies, you will find,
0:44:27 > 0:44:30will be using alternatives or developing alternatives, because
0:44:30 > 0:44:36they are aware of these concerns. We are living in the same environment,
0:44:36 > 0:44:39we have families and friends who use the products, they are all asking
0:44:39 > 0:44:44questions of the people working in the companies, so we are not saying
0:44:44 > 0:44:49this is not our problem. We want to be part of the solution, we want to
0:44:49 > 0:44:53understand the contribution we make, which we believe is tiny but can
0:44:53 > 0:44:57nevertheless be managed and needs to be dealt with. We want to be part of
0:44:57 > 0:45:00the solution for the bigger question of plastic pollution.Thank you all
0:45:00 > 0:45:12very much. Thank you very much for your time.
0:45:12 > 0:45:14Coming up, the Bafta nominations are out this morning.
0:45:14 > 0:45:18We'll get full reaction to the films in the running.
0:45:18 > 0:45:25British talent dominates the leading actor categories.
0:45:25 > 0:45:27Prince Harry and Meghan Markle are due to visit Reprezent Radio
0:45:27 > 0:45:30Station later today for their second official event as an engaged couple.
0:45:30 > 0:45:32They're heading to Brixton in South London to learn more
0:45:32 > 0:45:35about the underground radio station that was set up in 2008 in response
0:45:35 > 0:45:37to an increase in knife crime.
0:45:37 > 0:45:42The 24 hour station is presented by young people and aims to tackle
0:45:42 > 0:45:44issues such as mental health and cyber-bullying.
0:45:44 > 0:45:46Our reporter Claire Jones has visited the station
0:45:46 > 0:45:58to find out more.
0:45:58 > 0:46:00The sound of young London on Reprezent Radio.
0:46:00 > 0:46:01An underground radio station presented by young
0:46:01 > 0:46:04people in South London is gaining international attention.
0:46:04 > 0:46:08We are going to be getting some more requests, but until then...
0:46:08 > 0:46:12They say they're the sound of young London and from humble beginnings
0:46:12 > 0:46:19they have big plans for the future.
0:46:19 > 0:46:22Reprezent is more than just small Brixton or like a youth club
0:46:22 > 0:46:24like we are literally everywhere and we hope to just
0:46:24 > 0:46:27continue to expand.
0:46:27 > 0:46:30I want to influence how we listen to music in the country.
0:46:30 > 0:46:37I want to push great talented artists.
0:46:37 > 0:46:40I just want to - I have got so much plans, but I couldn't done none
0:46:40 > 0:46:43of it without Reprezent.
0:46:43 > 0:46:49Reprezent is a station that I believe is like a family
0:46:49 > 0:46:52and there is a lot of opportunity at Reprezent and there
0:46:52 > 0:46:55is a lot of direction.
0:46:55 > 0:47:01Reprezent Radio is housed in these three storage containers and aims
0:47:01 > 0:47:04to help people get into music, radio, and media and most
0:47:04 > 0:47:06importantly, bring about positive change.
0:47:06 > 0:47:09I can just do so many things now technically and socially as well.
0:47:09 > 0:47:16It has opened up a whole new world for me.
0:47:16 > 0:47:22A lot of people get discouraged.
0:47:22 > 0:47:32As a station we branch out and we're very accepting of people.
0:47:38 > 0:47:41The core Reprezent as being like as accepting and family based
0:47:41 > 0:47:43thing, I thing the community appreciate that and we have had
0:47:43 > 0:47:46loads of people come up and say, "I want to see the station."
0:47:46 > 0:47:48I think they appreciate the openness of Reprezent.
0:47:48 > 0:47:50The station was set-up in 2008 in response
0:47:50 > 0:47:52to an increase in knife crime.
0:47:52 > 0:47:54In 2011, the station gained an FM licence and since then
0:47:54 > 0:47:57there are nearly 100 shows going on across the station.
0:47:57 > 0:47:59There are 4,000 people taking part in the Reprezent training programme
0:47:59 > 0:48:02and there are 3,000 people on the waiting list.
0:48:02 > 0:48:08And some of the artists are now household names.
0:48:08 > 0:48:09Stormsy.
0:48:09 > 0:48:13Stormsy is one that people might know who came to Reprezent years ago
0:48:13 > 0:48:15before he had any profile and he came on as a guest
0:48:15 > 0:48:23on a show and was so funny that we gave him a show of his own.
0:48:23 > 0:48:26So he was an agony uncle so people had to phone
0:48:26 > 0:48:32in and get advice from Stormsy and that was really funny.
0:48:32 > 0:48:34The trainees and DJs believe the station has helped them overcome
0:48:34 > 0:48:36personal challenges.
0:48:36 > 0:48:38Without Reprezent I wouldn't have direction.
0:48:38 > 0:48:43I wouldn't be where I am today.
0:48:43 > 0:48:46I came here with - I was lost, I was lost and I just wanted
0:48:46 > 0:48:56to learn and they said yes and they've guided me ever since.
0:48:58 > 0:49:01Around the age of 16, to 19, when all girls are growing up,
0:49:01 > 0:49:04everybody faces stuff, but for me it was on
0:49:04 > 0:49:05a ridiculous level.
0:49:05 > 0:49:07I just didn't think I could speak to people.
0:49:07 > 0:49:10Without Reprezent being there, I think I would just be a recluse.
0:49:10 > 0:49:13I wouldn't be able to speak to people the way that I can now
0:49:13 > 0:49:18and be as open and as fun loving as I am today.
0:49:18 > 0:49:22Put your hands up if you are like yes, I'm stressed most of the time.
0:49:22 > 0:49:24The station is trying to tackle the issues that affect
0:49:24 > 0:49:27young people the most.
0:49:27 > 0:49:30You will see a jumble of emojis.
0:49:30 > 0:49:33You have 30 seconds to try and work out what the story means and then
0:49:33 > 0:49:40I'll be taking an answer from the crowd.
0:49:40 > 0:49:43It is such a family feeling and I can't get it anywhere
0:49:43 > 0:49:45else at any station.
0:49:45 > 0:49:49Not all the time, but sometimes with older people can being seem
0:49:49 > 0:49:54patronising if they are telling you where to go and I have seen it
0:49:54 > 0:49:57through the people that I talk to as well, if you find that
0:49:57 > 0:49:59you have gone through something else that another young
0:49:59 > 0:50:01person has gone through, it is easier to connect
0:50:01 > 0:50:04with them on a level as opposed to a person saying,
0:50:04 > 0:50:06"This is what you need to do."
0:50:06 > 0:50:09If I had somebody my own age telling me I have been through this
0:50:09 > 0:50:13and this is what to do and the best thing ever and that's what Reprezent
0:50:13 > 0:50:16is the best thing for.
0:50:16 > 0:50:19On the sound of Reprezent Radio...
0:50:19 > 0:50:22In one their first joint visits, Prince Harry and Meghan Markle
0:50:22 > 0:50:26will meet some of the young DJs.
0:50:26 > 0:50:28It's the biggest thing to happen to Reprezent
0:50:28 > 0:50:30and I'm so excited for it.
0:50:30 > 0:50:32I can't wait to meet them.
0:50:32 > 0:50:35I think they're going to be really cool and down earth
0:50:35 > 0:50:39which is the thing I'm most excited about.
0:50:39 > 0:50:43I keep saying with Harry I feel like I would be able to speak slang
0:50:43 > 0:50:45to him and he would understand what I'm saying because he
0:50:45 > 0:50:47seems like a cool guy.
0:50:47 > 0:50:50Even if they don't ask, I will guarantee for no fee
0:50:50 > 0:50:54to DJ at their wedding, I will just for them.
0:50:54 > 0:50:58Anything Harry wants to hear I will play it and I want to do
0:50:58 > 0:51:03a special rap dedicated to them as well.
0:51:03 > 0:51:08If they're up for it, I'm here to do it.
0:51:08 > 0:51:10Our reporter Claire Jones at Reprezent Radio station
0:51:10 > 0:51:15which harry and meghan are visiting later today.
0:51:15 > 0:51:16Chaos.
0:51:16 > 0:51:17Disarray.
0:51:17 > 0:51:18Shambolic.
0:51:18 > 0:51:23Embarassing - some of the words used to describe yesterday's
0:51:23 > 0:51:30reshuffle.
0:51:30 > 0:51:35Let's speak to Norman Smith.Many of Mrs May's people hope New Year would
0:51:35 > 0:51:38be sort of moment of new opportunities. She could assert her
0:51:38 > 0:51:41grip over the party, particularly after the back end of last year when
0:51:41 > 0:51:43you remember she got the Brexit negotiations through the first
0:51:43 > 0:51:48phase, got the Brexit bill through the Commons and there was a sense
0:51:48 > 0:51:52ah-ha Mrs May is on the front foot and now she can get momentum with a
0:51:52 > 0:51:55meaty reshuffle. Instead, I mean, you know, blink and you probably
0:51:55 > 0:52:01would have missed it because not much has really changed. In terms of
0:52:01 > 0:52:08authority, well, you know, Mrs May's ininability to shift key ministers
0:52:08 > 0:52:12such as just teen Greening and Jeremy Hunt has meant the idea of
0:52:12 > 0:52:15her asserting authority has hit the buffers. It is not a particularly
0:52:15 > 0:52:18different looking Cabinet. There are no more women actually in the
0:52:18 > 0:52:23Cabinet. There are two more who are going to attend it. No more
0:52:23 > 0:52:27non-white faces in the Cabinet. It looks and feels the same. The papers
0:52:27 > 0:52:35this morning, I mean, they give it a panning, Greening quits in shambolic
0:52:35 > 0:52:41reshuffle. There is not much of an upside. And we had the extraordinary
0:52:41 > 0:52:47situation of Jeremy Hunt convincing Mrs May on the hoof to create this
0:52:47 > 0:52:50new post, albeit this morning, jurpbt was coming back from a run,
0:52:50 > 0:52:55we can see the pictures of him coming back from an early morning
0:52:55 > 0:53:00run, he was not saying anything about whether he damaged Mrs May's
0:53:00 > 0:53:04authority by his refusal to go. REPORTER: Did you threaten to
0:53:04 > 0:53:10resign? Have you undermined the Prime Minister, Mr Hunt?
0:53:10 > 0:53:15So where do we go from here? Well, there is going to be a shake-up of
0:53:15 > 0:53:19the middle ranking posts in government today and the May team
0:53:19 > 0:53:23are saying this is when we are going to bring on the new Tory MPs,
0:53:23 > 0:53:27younger Tory MPs, female Tory MPs, MPs from ethnic minorities. The
0:53:27 > 0:53:33problem is brutally, no one cares. You know, whoever is under Secretary
0:53:33 > 0:53:36of State for I don't know postal services, doesn't matter frankly to
0:53:36 > 0:53:41voters. The only posts which they are likely to notice is the big
0:53:41 > 0:53:44posts in Cabinet. So it is not going to change the overall perception of
0:53:44 > 0:53:50the shake-up. And I suppose the difficulty for Mrs May is that far
0:53:50 > 0:53:57from being a moment when she can strengthen her position, it has
0:53:57 > 0:54:00underlined the old lurking doubts about how much control she has over
0:54:00 > 0:54:06her party and how divided and split it is over the issue of Brexit.
0:54:06 > 0:54:11Cheers, Norman, thank you very much. Imagine if your boss said I want you
0:54:11 > 0:54:16to move jobs and you said, "No, not doing it." It would be really odd,
0:54:16 > 0:54:27wouldn't it? Cut the tension with a knife. Right.
0:54:27 > 0:54:34Now have a look at this.
0:54:34 > 0:54:38Is Donald Trump forgetting the words to the National Anthem? A lot of his
0:54:38 > 0:54:43critics are saying he can't sing the words of the Star Spangled Banner.
0:54:43 > 0:54:55His supporters say he was proud to see him stand.
0:55:21 > 0:55:24He knows some of the words, it is obvious.
0:55:24 > 0:55:27The Flag Code makes no mention of whether the anthem should be sung
0:55:27 > 0:55:29by those present.
0:55:29 > 0:55:37Singing it is, however, encouraged from school onwards.
0:55:37 > 0:55:43We will leave it for you to decide.
0:55:43 > 0:55:46Let's get the latest weather update.
0:55:47 > 0:55:51Bottom Good morning. Well, I'm going to take a look back
0:55:51 > 0:55:57in time because in 1982, from the 7th January for 36 hours, this is
0:55:57 > 0:56:02what happened. We had substantial snow across South Wales. So
0:56:02 > 0:56:06substantial in fact, that throughout the whole of the month of January,
0:56:06 > 0:56:11we looked at 40 to 60 centimetres of snow. That's getting on for two
0:56:11 > 0:56:16feet. Most of that would have fallen in the 36 hours, drifts up to six
0:56:16 > 0:56:21meters high. Really, covering cars, bringing down roofs of buildings
0:56:21 > 0:56:23because of the weight of the snow
0:56:23 > 0:56:23bringing down roofs of buildings because of the weight of the snow
0:56:23 > 0:56:27and for some, Especially with the drifts many houses were almost
0:56:27 > 0:56:32totally covered so it brought chaos to South Wales and the M4 was
0:56:32 > 0:56:36stationary. Quite a different picture today. One of our Weather
0:56:36 > 0:56:39Watchers pictures shows in Wales, it is cloudy. It is not just in Wales.
0:56:39 > 0:56:43Across many parts of the British Isles that is the story. Cold, not
0:56:43 > 0:56:48as cold as yesterday, but cold nonetheless and grey, but not
0:56:48 > 0:56:50everywhere, across north-west Scotland, another beautiful Weather
0:56:50 > 0:56:55Watchers picture showing early morning sunshine. It is not just
0:56:55 > 0:56:59north-west Scotland seeing the sunshine, north-west parts of
0:56:59 > 0:57:01England, Cumbria, around Carlisle and north-west Wales will see
0:57:01 > 0:57:05sunshine today and it should brighten up around Essex, Sussex and
0:57:05 > 0:57:09Kent, but at the same time, we have got a weather front coming in from
0:57:09 > 0:57:12the west and it will introduce strengthening winds and also some
0:57:12 > 0:57:17rain, but with it, will come milder conditions. So, across Plymouth, we
0:57:17 > 0:57:22are looking at ten Celsius, barn stable nine Celsius. For Wales, it
0:57:22 > 0:57:26will remain cloudy. Again hill fog around and low cloud. Across
0:57:26 > 0:57:28Northern Ireland, well, the cloud continuing to build ahead of this
0:57:28 > 0:57:33rain and the wind is also going to strengthen, but ahead of it too, it
0:57:33 > 0:57:37will be a grey afternoon. Sunny across north-west Scotland, much of
0:57:37 > 0:57:42the rest of Scotland grey and cloudy. Again with the odd spot of
0:57:42 > 0:57:47drizzle coming out of the cloud. Away from north-west England, it is
0:57:47 > 0:57:52fairly grey and cloud xwri with the odd spot of drizzle. We could see
0:57:52 > 0:57:56brightness and across southern counties with that cloud, it won't
0:57:56 > 0:57:59feel as cloud with temperatures between seven and nine Celsius.
0:57:59 > 0:58:04Through this evening and overnight, the weather front in the west moves
0:58:04 > 0:58:08north-east wards, the rain turning patchy and behind it, there will be
0:58:08 > 0:58:10fog patches forming across the Midlands, across Northern Ireland
0:58:10 > 0:58:14and after the rain goes through with the damp surfaces and the lower
0:58:14 > 0:58:17temperatures, especially across Northern Ireland, there is the risk
0:58:17 > 0:58:20of ice and we will see snow coming out of that across northern England
0:58:20 > 0:58:25and the hills and the hills of Scotland. So tomorrow, the rain
0:58:25 > 0:58:28progresses steadily north-east wards. Again fragmenting as it does
0:58:28 > 0:58:33so. It will clear the East Coast of England sometime during the
0:58:33 > 0:58:37afternoon, but hang around across north-east Scotland and the Northern
0:58:37 > 0:58:40Isles for much of the rest of the day and into the night. Behind t we
0:58:40 > 0:58:44will see brightness and sunshine coming through. Temperatures not bad
0:58:44 > 0:58:47at all, four Celsius in Glasgow and ten as we push towards the south.
0:58:47 > 0:58:51And then as we head overnight and towards the end of the week, we are
0:58:51 > 0:58:56more likely to see fog. We could have widespread fog first thing on
0:58:56 > 0:58:59Thursday morning across Northern Ireland, east Wales, into the
0:58:59 > 0:59:03Midlands and southern counties of England as well. Some of that will
0:59:03 > 0:59:09be slow to clear. Some may lift into low cloud. Move north, we are back
0:59:09 > 0:59:13into brighter sunnier skies. No heatwave and temperatures coming
0:59:13 > 0:59:16down a touch in the south. If we look at what's happening on Friday.
0:59:16 > 0:59:20Friday again, some fog to start the day. A lot of dry weather, but this
0:59:20 > 0:59:25system bringing wet and windy weather is coming our way.
0:59:28 > 0:59:30Hello, it's Tuesday, it's ten o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire.
0:59:30 > 0:59:33Our top story today - the journalist Toby Young
0:59:33 > 0:59:35has resigned from the universties watchdog after widespread
0:59:35 > 0:59:43criticism of crude and offensive comments he'd written in the past.
0:59:43 > 0:59:46This wasn't just somebody writing some stupid comments on Twitter,
0:59:46 > 0:59:50which we've all been guilty of in the past. This is somebody who has
0:59:50 > 0:59:56written some really extreme staff and really crosses boundaries that
0:59:56 > 1:00:01are just too far.The full interview with that Conservative MP in the
1:00:01 > 1:00:05next half-hour. And also an interview with one former Labour MP
1:00:05 > 1:00:09who was subject to comments from Toby Young about her cleavage. Paul
1:00:09 > 1:00:13has said, I believe he is guilty of little more than funny male banter,
1:00:13 > 1:00:18not a right-wing sleazebag or misogynist, and I think it is time
1:00:18 > 1:00:21to end the feminist terror that is operating in this country. Tell us
1:00:21 > 1:00:23your own views.
1:00:23 > 1:00:24Also on the programme, hundreds of migrants
1:00:24 > 1:00:27are still in Calais, a year after the so-called
1:00:27 > 1:00:28Jungle camp was destroyed.
1:00:28 > 1:00:30We'll hear from one of the 700 people living rough
1:00:30 > 1:00:34in the hope of a better life.
1:00:34 > 1:00:38How long do you think you can live like this?Three months, four
1:00:38 > 1:00:44months. I hope I don't get sick.
1:00:46 > 1:00:49We'll get reaction from truckers and migrants.
1:00:49 > 1:00:51If you're a lorry driver and regularly travels through Calais,
1:00:51 > 1:00:59tell us your experience of migrants trying to get into the UK.
1:00:59 > 1:01:03You may think that thing looks human, stands on microlights, right?
1:01:03 > 1:01:05And the fantasy romance The Shape Of Water
1:01:05 > 1:01:07leads the Bafta nominations with 12 nods.
1:01:07 > 1:01:09We'll look at that and the other films in the running
1:01:09 > 1:01:15this award season.
1:01:15 > 1:01:16Good morning.
1:01:16 > 1:01:19Here's Ben in the BBC newsroom with a summary of today's news.
1:01:19 > 1:01:21Journalist Toby Young has resigned from the board
1:01:21 > 1:01:25of the Office for Students after more than 200,000 people
1:01:25 > 1:01:27signed a petition calling for him to go.
1:01:27 > 1:01:30In an article in the Spectator,
1:01:30 > 1:01:32he says his appointment had become a distraction
1:01:32 > 1:01:34from the board's vital work of broadening access
1:01:34 > 1:01:36to higher education.
1:01:36 > 1:01:42It follows accusations that he had made offensive comments on Twitter.
1:01:42 > 1:01:44The newly appointed chairman of the Conservative Party,
1:01:44 > 1:01:47Brandon Lewis, is insisting Theresa May is fully
1:01:47 > 1:01:50in control of her Cabinet, despite yesterday's reshuffle
1:01:50 > 1:01:53not going according to plan.
1:01:53 > 1:01:55Education Secretary Justine Greening resigned after refusing
1:01:55 > 1:01:58an offer to become Work and Pensions Secretary,
1:01:58 > 1:02:02and Jeremy Hunt turned down a move to business to remain
1:02:02 > 1:02:05as Health Secretary with added responsibilities.
1:02:05 > 1:02:08The reshuffle will continue today, with more ministerial roles
1:02:08 > 1:02:10expected to go to women, younger MPs
1:02:10 > 1:02:14and those from ethnic minorities.
1:02:14 > 1:02:17Well, I think if you look at what the Prime Minister outlined
1:02:17 > 1:02:19yesterday in terms of how the departments are working,
1:02:19 > 1:02:21there's some really good new people coming in,
1:02:21 > 1:02:24we've got, you know, more women around the Cabinet table
1:02:24 > 1:02:26now than we've ever had before, we've got actually
1:02:26 > 1:02:29a very clear focus.
1:02:29 > 1:02:32The UK's equality watchdog has said it will write to the BBC
1:02:32 > 1:02:34about claims of unlawful pay discrimination made by its former
1:02:34 > 1:02:36China editor, Carrie Gracie.
1:02:36 > 1:02:39The Equality and Human Rights Commission says
1:02:39 > 1:02:43it will then decide if further action is required.
1:02:43 > 1:02:45Ms Gracie resigned after she discovered a gap
1:02:45 > 1:02:50between her salary and that of her male counterparts.
1:02:50 > 1:02:53North Korea has agreed to send athletes accompanied by senior
1:02:53 > 1:02:57officials to the Winter Olympics in South Korea next month.
1:02:57 > 1:03:00The two countries have held their first talks for more than two years
1:03:00 > 1:03:05in the demilitarised zone that divides the peninsula.
1:03:05 > 1:03:08The South Korean delegation has also proposed more contacts
1:03:08 > 1:03:10between the two countries in what appears to be a significant
1:03:10 > 1:03:15move to lower tension in the region.
1:03:15 > 1:03:17Just over a year since the so-called Jungle camp
1:03:17 > 1:03:19was destroyed in Calais, this programme has learnt
1:03:19 > 1:03:21that around 700 migrants are living rough in the area.
1:03:21 > 1:03:24French police say they're clearing tents and blankets daily
1:03:24 > 1:03:30to stop a camp re-forming there.
1:03:30 > 1:03:32Charities say awful living conditions there
1:03:32 > 1:03:39mean people are taking huge risks trying to reach the UK.
1:03:39 > 1:03:41A UK-wide ban on the manufacturing of cosmetics
1:03:41 > 1:03:43and care products containing microbeads has come into
1:03:43 > 1:03:46force today, in an attempt to cut down on the amount
1:03:46 > 1:03:49of plastic in our oceans.
1:03:49 > 1:03:52The beads that are used in face washes and shower gels
1:03:52 > 1:03:55are often ingested by sea animals,
1:03:55 > 1:03:57and can even end up entering our food chain.
1:03:57 > 1:04:00It will be followed by a wider ban on the sale of products containing
1:04:00 > 1:04:06microbeads later in the year.
1:04:06 > 1:04:11Professor Richard Thomson, a marine biologist, told us it is a step in
1:04:11 > 1:04:15the right direction.A wide range of creatures can eat micro plastic, we
1:04:15 > 1:04:21looked at 500 fish from the English Channel, and we found it in about a
1:04:21 > 1:04:25third of them. Laboratory evidence shows that it can present harm to
1:04:25 > 1:04:30marine organisms, so anything we can do to reduce the input of micro
1:04:30 > 1:04:31plastic is really important.
1:04:31 > 1:04:37That's a summary of the latest BBC News, more at 10:30.
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1:04:47 > 1:04:50Our Facebook page is really great, thank you to you. Sarah is back with
1:04:50 > 1:04:57the sport. Brighton through to the fourth round of the FA Cup after a
1:04:57 > 1:05:02win over Crystal Palace, 2-1. It was the first time the video assistant
1:05:02 > 1:05:06referee was used in a competitive match in the UK, that is how it
1:05:06 > 1:05:10works, on the side of the pitch. There was some debate about whether
1:05:10 > 1:05:13it should have been used for this late winner, Glenn Murray guiding
1:05:13 > 1:05:16the ball into the net three minutes from time to send them through to
1:05:16 > 1:05:22the fourth round. Some Palace players suggested it was handball,
1:05:22 > 1:05:27but referee Andrew Marron was happy that he did not, and he did not feel
1:05:27 > 1:05:33the need to act further. -- Andre Marriner.From where we were
1:05:33 > 1:05:38standing and watching, it looked for all the world that he had handball
1:05:38 > 1:05:41did, and the players close by thought so too, but when you see it
1:05:41 > 1:05:46lots of times, there is a very good case for the BA are and the referee
1:05:46 > 1:05:50to make that he did not handball it, very close, no complaints about
1:05:50 > 1:06:01that. -- the VAR. English cricket coach Trevor Bayliss said he will
1:06:01 > 1:06:05step down at the end of the next Ashes Series. He saysit has nothing
1:06:05 > 1:06:10to do with their 4-0 Ashes defeat in Australia. He has vowed to start the
1:06:10 > 1:06:17job of building a team able to win down under before he leaves.I told
1:06:17 > 1:06:29Andrew Strauss probably 12 months ago that September 2019 I have been
1:06:29 > 1:06:32contracted to, and I have never gone longer than that in other jobs, I
1:06:32 > 1:06:40have always felt that is about time to have a different approach from
1:06:40 > 1:06:47someone to reinvigorate things. Today marks a month until the start
1:06:47 > 1:06:50of the Winter Olympics in Pyeongchang, and in the next hour or
1:06:50 > 1:06:54so we will find out how many medals British athletes will be expected to
1:06:54 > 1:06:58bring home. GB returned with a record haul from Sochi four years
1:06:58 > 1:07:01ago. UK Sport will reveal their medal target today, which will have
1:07:01 > 1:07:09a large impact on subsequent funding for these sports. Dame Katherine
1:07:09 > 1:07:14Grainger says she is expecting the best Games ever as far as the Winter
1:07:14 > 1:07:17Olympics and Paralympics are concerned.We have seen huge changes
1:07:17 > 1:07:22and improvements over the last 15 years, a massive investment from the
1:07:22 > 1:07:24National Lottery and from the Government, so it enables the team
1:07:24 > 1:07:30to become more professional, to have more athletes involved, to employ
1:07:30 > 1:07:35coaches, physiotherapists, all the experts who work in conjunction, and
1:07:35 > 1:07:37especially the Winter Games travel a lot more than the Summer Games,
1:07:37 > 1:07:42because they need to find more snow and ice than we have in Britain. It
1:07:42 > 1:07:47requires a big investment to get success on that level.That is your
1:07:47 > 1:07:57sport for now, more after ten, 30. Morning, welcome to the programme.
1:07:57 > 1:08:01Toby Young has resigned from the new higher education watchdog, he has
1:08:01 > 1:08:04been widely criticised for making crude remarks on social media,
1:08:04 > 1:08:08prompting team-mate to say he would lose his job if the statements were
1:08:08 > 1:08:12repeated. But he said he has decided to step down because his employment
1:08:12 > 1:08:16had been a distraction.
1:08:16 > 1:08:19Some examples of the kind of thing he's said, or tweeted,
1:08:19 > 1:08:20in the past include...
1:08:20 > 1:08:21In 2004, he wrote an article
1:08:21 > 1:08:24about posing as a lesbian for the night and embarking
1:08:24 > 1:08:26on a "whistle-stop tour of New York's hottest lesbian clubs"
1:08:26 > 1:08:29with the aim of drawing lesbians into his confidence to "make out
1:08:29 > 1:08:31with them on the dance floor."
1:08:31 > 1:08:33While watching Comic Relief in 2009 he commented,
1:08:33 > 1:08:34"What happened to Winkleman's breasts?"
1:08:34 > 1:08:37"Put on some weight, girlie."
1:08:37 > 1:08:40A few hours later he wrote,
1:08:40 > 1:08:44"Alan Carr has bigger breasts than Claudia Winkelman."
1:08:44 > 1:08:46While watching Prime Minister's Questions in 2011, he wrote,
1:08:46 > 1:08:50"That's quite a cleavage behind Ed Miliband."
1:08:50 > 1:08:52In 2012 during PMQs he tweeted,
1:08:52 > 1:08:54"Serious cleavage behind Ed Miliband's head."
1:08:54 > 1:09:00"Anyone know who it belongs to?"
1:09:00 > 1:09:08And there are others far too crude for us to report today.
1:09:08 > 1:09:12I would get into trouble from you, apart from the broadcasting
1:09:12 > 1:09:15regulator!
1:09:15 > 1:09:17He's also made a number of comments about disabled people
1:09:17 > 1:09:20which have caused offence.
1:09:20 > 1:09:23Rob Hulse and is chair of the Education Select Committee and he is
1:09:23 > 1:09:32disabled. He gave us his reaction to the resignation.
1:09:32 > 1:09:36I think he has shown some courage to apologise for the many things that
1:09:36 > 1:09:42he has written, and I think he will do a good job running the free
1:09:42 > 1:09:45schools that he does, and no doubt continue to be an interesting
1:09:45 > 1:09:51journalist.You voiced your objections eloquently to his
1:09:51 > 1:09:54appointment, to the Universities Minister in the House of Commons
1:09:54 > 1:09:57just yesterday, a day after Theresa May said that he could stay in his
1:09:57 > 1:10:02job as long as he didn't say anything else offensive. Why did you
1:10:02 > 1:10:06disagree with the Prime Minister on this?Well, I felt it was the wrong
1:10:06 > 1:10:11decision to appoint Toby Young. It wasn't just because of the things
1:10:11 > 1:10:16that he had said on Twitter, it was some very dark articles where he
1:10:16 > 1:10:19talks about disabilities in quite a derogatory way, where he had written
1:10:19 > 1:10:26about supporting what he called progressive eugenics, and also had
1:10:26 > 1:10:31taken the Mick out of working class people going to good universities. I
1:10:31 > 1:10:36felt this was quite a dark, and uncomfortable, and I thought that if
1:10:36 > 1:10:41you are put on a regulator for students, for universities, it would
1:10:41 > 1:10:46and I'm confident in that institution if you had somebody with
1:10:46 > 1:10:50those views in post. -- it would undermine confidence in that
1:10:50 > 1:10:57institution.Of the Government made a mistake with this appointment?I
1:10:57 > 1:11:01made clear that this was not the right decision is chair of the
1:11:01 > 1:11:04Education Select Committee, I waited a week to look into what he had
1:11:04 > 1:11:09written and said. But I think he had gone to such an extreme and crossed
1:11:09 > 1:11:13a boundary too far, that it was the wrong appointment, and I don't think
1:11:13 > 1:11:18enough due diligence was done when he was appointed.Which seems
1:11:18 > 1:11:25extraordinary, does it not? Because he has been writing and tweeting
1:11:25 > 1:11:30contrary, controversial pieces for decades.Well, he was interviewed by
1:11:30 > 1:11:33the chairman of the new regulatory body, the Office for Students, I
1:11:33 > 1:11:37don't know the process in which it was decided to appoint him. The
1:11:37 > 1:11:43argument was made that he had set up some good free schools. Now, that is
1:11:43 > 1:11:47a good thing, but many other people have done things like that, who have
1:11:47 > 1:11:54very good free schools, and I didn't understand why that meant that they
1:11:54 > 1:11:59had to choose him particularly.I would like to read, if I may, for
1:11:59 > 1:12:02the benefit of our audience, who may not know the specifics of the things
1:12:02 > 1:12:09he wrote, here are some of the examples, particularly to do with
1:12:09 > 1:12:13disabilities and inclusion. In a column in 2012, he called on the
1:12:13 > 1:12:17Government to repeal the equalities act, saying schools have got to be
1:12:17 > 1:12:22inclusive these days, inclusive as quotation marks around it, that
1:12:22 > 1:12:26means wheelchair rants, the complete works of Alice Walker in the
1:12:26 > 1:12:31library, although no Mark Twain, and a special educational needs that can
1:12:31 > 1:12:35cope with everything from dyslexia to Munchausen syndrome by proxy. He
1:12:35 > 1:12:38went on, if Michael Gove is serious about wanting to bring back
1:12:38 > 1:12:45O-levels, the Government will have to repeal equalities act because if
1:12:45 > 1:12:48the exam is not accessible to a functionally illiterate troglodyte
1:12:48 > 1:12:52with a mental age of six will be judged to be elitist and forbidden
1:12:52 > 1:12:58by Harriet Harman's law. In 2015, he wrote about technology that could
1:12:58 > 1:13:02allow parents to select the most intelligent embryo in vitro. You
1:13:02 > 1:13:06wrote this, my proposal is this, once the technology becomes
1:13:06 > 1:13:11available why not offer it free of charge to parents on low incomes
1:13:11 > 1:13:17with below average IQs? It could address the problem of
1:13:17 > 1:13:23intergenerational social mobility and serve as a counterweight for the
1:13:23 > 1:13:26meritocratic elite to become a hereditary elite. I read those out
1:13:26 > 1:13:30for the benefit of our audience. You have a disability, a form of
1:13:30 > 1:13:33cerebral palsy, what does it make you feel when you hear those words
1:13:33 > 1:13:41that he wrote Gemmawell, it is horrible. If I go to a building,
1:13:41 > 1:13:45because I have difficulties with my legs, and I see there is a ramp, I
1:13:45 > 1:13:50am filled with delight. When you hear those kind of things from
1:13:50 > 1:13:57people who know nothing about this, you entertain, if I am honest with
1:13:57 > 1:14:00you, horrible thoughts about the individual making those comments.
1:14:00 > 1:14:04I'll so think of mothers in my constituency, there was a very
1:14:04 > 1:14:08important autism charity in my constituency, and you think of
1:14:08 > 1:14:12mothers who wade through bureaucracy and struggle everyday to deal with
1:14:12 > 1:14:15their children, look after their children, get them the best
1:14:15 > 1:14:20education, and they see someone like that ripping it to shreds. That is
1:14:20 > 1:14:26why, when I saw this stuff, I said publicly, wrote in newspapers and
1:14:26 > 1:14:31any House of Commons that he had to go, because it is just unacceptable.
1:14:31 > 1:14:34Your particular interest is education, you are chair of the
1:14:34 > 1:14:39Education Select Committee. The editor of the Conservative
1:14:39 > 1:14:44supporting magazine the Spectator, referring to Toby Young's work on
1:14:44 > 1:14:47free schools, says he has done more for others in the last few years
1:14:47 > 1:14:51than most of his critics will do in a lifetime, and Toby Young himself
1:14:51 > 1:14:55said, after his appointment, that one of the reasons it has caused
1:14:55 > 1:14:59such a fuss is because he was a defender of the Government education
1:14:59 > 1:15:04reforms and it is a sector completely dominated by the left. Is
1:15:04 > 1:15:08he right?I understand why the editor of the Spectator is defending
1:15:08 > 1:15:12one of his colleagues, Toby Young is an associate editor of the Spectator
1:15:12 > 1:15:16magazine, and it is a good publication, but I fundamentally
1:15:16 > 1:15:21disagree with what the editor of the Spectator has said. This wasn't just
1:15:21 > 1:15:24somebody writing some stupid comments on Twitter, which we have
1:15:24 > 1:15:28all done, I have been guilty of myself in the past. This is somebody
1:15:28 > 1:15:33was written some really extreme stuff, really crossing boundaries
1:15:33 > 1:15:38that are just too far, and as Conservatives, as a Conservative, we
1:15:38 > 1:15:42have to stand up for this, because otherwise we give an indication to
1:15:42 > 1:15:47the public that this sort of thing doesn't matter at all, and...Do you
1:15:47 > 1:15:50agree with Toby Young when he makes the point that the job of the
1:15:50 > 1:15:54watchdog, if it is to be done properly, as to include people from
1:15:54 > 1:16:03the left and right?I want good people on the right.So to bey Young
1:16:03 > 1:16:08is a bad Conservative.The things he has written is bad. He has done a
1:16:08 > 1:16:12lot of work on free schools and I acknowledge that, but there are
1:16:12 > 1:16:16other good people who have done work on free schools who happen to be
1:16:16 > 1:16:19from the right of the political spectrum, why they had to choose
1:16:19 > 1:16:24this individual, I don't understand. There are many good people who have
1:16:24 > 1:16:28done similar things to Toby Young. He has done a brilliant job on free
1:16:28 > 1:16:31schools and I've acknowledged that, but that doesn't mean that he is the
1:16:31 > 1:16:35right choice to be on this regulator given what he has written and said
1:16:35 > 1:16:42in the past.We will hear about the wider reshuffle Theresa May is
1:16:42 > 1:16:46trying to do. A tweet, "I am one of the people who signed the petition
1:16:46 > 1:16:55to remove Toby Young. I'm pleased he removed himself. ." Carl e-mails,
1:16:55 > 1:16:59"The point needs to be made that Theresa May backed Toby Young. It
1:16:59 > 1:17:02shows just how out-of-touch and weak the Prime Minister really is that
1:17:02 > 1:17:08she could not pick a fight with a misogynistic and working class
1:17:08 > 1:17:14sleaze. Never mind picking one with senior MPs in her party. She is weak
1:17:14 > 1:17:17and out-of-touch of events and held to ransom by a party crippled by
1:17:17 > 1:17:26chaos. It really is time to go." Kathy says, "No problem noticing
1:17:26 > 1:17:32cleavage, no problem tweeting about it."
1:17:32 > 1:17:40One of the tweets was from 2012. The subject of that tweet was Pamela
1:17:40 > 1:17:49Nash. Let's talk to her. Hello to you.Good morning.How do you react
1:17:49 > 1:17:52to the fact that Toby Young has resigned from the universities
1:17:52 > 1:17:57watchdog?I welcome the fact that he has resigned, but there are
1:17:57 > 1:18:02questions to be answered to why this went on for so long and why he was
1:18:02 > 1:18:08appointed.It wouldn't take much to Google what he had said or written
1:18:08 > 1:18:13in the past.My jaw dropped open when I watched the Prime Minister on
1:18:13 > 1:18:22the Marr Show saying she didn't know he made the comments. He had to
1:18:22 > 1:18:26delete 40,000 or 50,000 tweets about one woman, this was sustained over
1:18:26 > 1:18:30years and years of these twisted views about women, disabled people,
1:18:30 > 1:18:34gay people and the working class. So it is beyond belief that anyone who
1:18:34 > 1:18:39was in a position of appointing him to an important job did not look and
1:18:39 > 1:18:51see that the comments had been made. He talked about political incorrect
1:18:51 > 1:18:55comments he made in the past and he was sorry and he hoped people would
1:18:55 > 1:18:59judge him on his actions and not his words?I appreciate he made this
1:18:59 > 1:19:05apology. He also said in his blog this morning that these were in a
1:19:05 > 1:19:09past time and a past job and not coinciding with his work in
1:19:09 > 1:19:13education. That is simply not true. And very well documented. The
1:19:13 > 1:19:17comments that he made about me were years after he started his quest to
1:19:17 > 1:19:22start a free school. He wrote, I mentioned earlier, I was
1:19:22 > 1:19:27telling our audience about the fact that he wrote in 2004 about
1:19:27 > 1:19:31pretending to be a lesbian so he could tour nightclubs in New York,
1:19:31 > 1:19:35as he put it the hottest lesbian clubs in New York with the aim of
1:19:35 > 1:19:38getting them to make out with him on the dance floor. What do you think
1:19:38 > 1:19:44of that behaviour?I hadn't heard that before actually Victoria, but
1:19:44 > 1:19:49that is astounding, but again, this isn't about one action or something
1:19:49 > 1:19:54silly that he did that a few years ago. This is views that he has
1:19:54 > 1:19:58perpetrated over a long period of time. That are very well documented
1:19:58 > 1:20:03and I think the combination of that and the fact that there has been an
1:20:03 > 1:20:06outcry there are questions to be answered about why he was appointed
1:20:06 > 1:20:11in the first place. He is showing such Danes for the majority of
1:20:11 > 1:20:14people who seek a university education in this country and who
1:20:14 > 1:20:19find it most difficult. Why on earth was he appointed to a role where he
1:20:19 > 1:20:21would be overseeing their welfare? Thank you.
1:20:21 > 1:20:25Thank you very much, Pamela.Thank you for having me.A former Labour
1:20:25 > 1:20:29MP. This texter says, "So glad Toby
1:20:29 > 1:20:33Young has gone. I don't understand why he didn't go sooner." Another
1:20:33 > 1:20:38one, "Toby Young will not be missed. He is yet another arrogant male. He
1:20:38 > 1:20:42should have been sacked before now." Breaking news, government sources
1:20:42 > 1:20:46have told the BBC that the international Trade Minister, Mark
1:20:46 > 1:20:49garnier is leaving the Government. We will talk to Norman Smith in a
1:20:49 > 1:20:56moment or too. But you will remember that Mark Garnier, was a minister
1:20:56 > 1:21:04who asked his secretary, his PA, to buy sex toys if I recall correctly
1:21:04 > 1:21:10from a shop in Soho. Mark Garnier sources have told the BBC is leaving
1:21:10 > 1:21:19the Government. The fact he is leaving is not
1:21:19 > 1:21:27related to allegations of inappropriate behaviour.
1:21:27 > 1:21:31The nominations for this year's Bafta Film Awards are out.
1:21:31 > 1:21:41Let's talk to our reporter Chi Chi Izundu.
1:21:44 > 1:21:58The Shape Of Water. We can take a little look at it now.
1:21:58 > 1:22:07My feet are killing me.He just hate them up. Thank you No thank yous, no
1:22:07 > 1:22:19yum-yums. As silent as a grave. Sally Hawkins is up for Best Actress
1:22:19 > 1:22:23and she says she feels it is a gift from my homeland and I'm touched
1:22:23 > 1:22:29about it. 12 nods is quite the accolade for
1:22:29 > 1:22:35one particular film.Loads.It is loads! But the next two films that
1:22:35 > 1:22:43got the most nominations include Darkest Hour which stars Gary Oldman
1:22:43 > 1:22:50and Three Billboards. Let's look at Darkest Hour Gary plays Winston
1:22:50 > 1:22:57Churchill.And before our forces are wiped out completely, now is the
1:22:57 > 1:23:04time to negotiate in order to obtain the best conditions possible. Hitler
1:23:04 > 1:23:07will not insist on outrageous terms. He will know his own weaknesses. He
1:23:07 > 1:23:13will be reasonable.When will the lesson be learnt? When will the
1:23:13 > 1:23:27lesson be learned? How many more dictators must be wooed, appeased,
1:23:27 > 1:23:33before we learn?Oddly Gary says this is his only second BAFTA
1:23:33 > 1:23:39nomination in his career which is considering the wealth of his back
1:23:39 > 1:23:45catalogue that's surprising. He is nominated in the Darkest Hour for
1:23:45 > 1:23:52Best Actor. He is up against good names. Daniel Day-Lewis for Phantom
1:23:52 > 1:23:56Thread which is the last film he will make.He has said that before.
1:23:56 > 1:24:02He has said that before. But the other big film Three Billboards has
1:24:02 > 1:24:06got nine nominations as well. This is a dark comedy. Well, it made me
1:24:06 > 1:24:10cry and it made me laugh because it's about a mum that's basically
1:24:10 > 1:24:14trying to get her local police to take seriously the investigation
1:24:14 > 1:24:17into the brutal death of her daughter who was raped. So we can
1:24:17 > 1:24:24take a little look at that now.Hey there, Mildred. You didn't happen to
1:24:24 > 1:24:33pay a visit to the dentist today, did you?No. No.Oh, so it wasn't
1:24:33 > 1:24:39you who drilled a little hole in one of big fat Jeffrey's big fat thumb
1:24:39 > 1:24:47nails, no?I said, of course not. You drilled a hole in the dentist.I
1:24:47 > 1:24:51thought it was kind of funny myself, but he wants to press charges so
1:24:51 > 1:24:56we'll have to bring you in I'm afraid.Let's not forget this film
1:24:56 > 1:25:01Three Billboards won four Golden Globes. It is tipped to do well at
1:25:01 > 1:25:08the Oscars. Clearly, it will do well at the BAFTAs. The Post didn't get
1:25:08 > 1:25:14many nomination. That's a huge pim. That stars Tom Hanks and Meryl
1:25:14 > 1:25:24Streep. The awards happen next month with a new host, Joanna Lumley steps
1:25:24 > 1:25:28in after Stephen Fry decided to step aside. She is a feminist so I doubt
1:25:28 > 1:25:33she'll let things slide.Thank you.
1:25:33 > 1:25:36Breaking news - Government sources have told the BBC that International
1:25:36 > 1:25:38Trade Minister Mark Garnier is leaving government.
1:25:38 > 1:25:40Our political guru Norman Smith can tell us more.
1:25:40 > 1:25:49Why?I suspect he is part of the demise of those who might be deemed
1:25:49 > 1:25:54male, pale and stale. He is joined by a host of other figures. John
1:25:54 > 1:25:58Hayes is leaving as Transport Minister, Philip Dunne as Health
1:25:58 > 1:26:00Minister and Robert Goodwill as Education Minister. What do they
1:26:00 > 1:26:05have in common? Yes, they are all men. Yes, they are all of, I think,
1:26:05 > 1:26:10they are all late 50s and they have all been around the block a few
1:26:10 > 1:26:17times. John Hayes, he was made a minister in 2010, and Philip Dunne
1:26:17 > 1:26:19and Robert Goodwill, 2012 and they have done their time. This is part
1:26:19 > 1:26:24of what was being briefed yesterday for day two of the reshuffle, the
1:26:24 > 1:26:31clear out of the old men and making space for more women, more new MPs,
1:26:31 > 1:26:36more younger MPs, more Tory MPs from ethnic minorities which is part of
1:26:36 > 1:26:41what Team May hopes will be a sort of different face of the
1:26:41 > 1:26:45Conservative Government to the public and a more modern and more
1:26:45 > 1:26:49diverse face. So we are now seeing the departure the pale, male, stale
1:26:49 > 1:26:53ministers who have been around for a while and are now, it seems, being
1:26:53 > 1:27:00cleared out.Yes. In terms of Mark Garnier he was cleared, wasn't he,
1:27:00 > 1:27:04by a Cabinet Office inquiry of breaking the Ministerial Code after
1:27:04 > 1:27:07asking his PA to buy sex toys, I think it was?That's right. He was
1:27:07 > 1:27:13at the centre of a lot of the furore just at the back end of the last
1:27:13 > 1:27:16year over the sexual harassment claims and claims of inappropriate
1:27:16 > 1:27:21behaviour in Parliament. You're correct, he was cleared, of the
1:27:21 > 1:27:24Ministerial Code, but there may have been a view not only was he of a
1:27:24 > 1:27:27certain age and he was white and male, but with the allegations, even
1:27:27 > 1:27:32though they had been put to one side, nevertheless, it was best to
1:27:32 > 1:27:37move him along and bring someone else in. I guess what will be
1:27:37 > 1:27:44interesting is sort of the shape of the new people being brought in. How
1:27:44 > 1:27:49far the Government is able to bring in new MPs from particularly the
1:27:49 > 1:27:532015 and 2017 intake, many of whom were sitting, fidgeting gnashed I
1:27:53 > 1:27:58think that they weren't getting a chance to shine and there was
1:27:58 > 1:28:01Parliamentary bed-blockers who had been in the ministerial posts for a
1:28:01 > 1:28:04long, long time and they couldn't get their chance. So, now, we will
1:28:04 > 1:28:08see whether Mrs May is going to give an opportunity, an opening, to these
1:28:08 > 1:28:13newer, younger Tory MPs. Cheers, Norman.
1:28:13 > 1:28:18Theresa May's reshuffle will continue later today
1:28:18 > 1:28:19with junior ministerial appointments.
1:28:19 > 1:28:22She'll no doubt be hoping it goes more smoothly than
1:28:22 > 1:28:22yesterday's ultimately limited reshuffle.
1:28:22 > 1:28:25Billed as an opportunity to better reflect modern Britain,
1:28:25 > 1:28:28in the end the only new woman to be announced was Esther McVey
1:28:28 > 1:28:30as Secretary of State for Work and Pensions.
1:28:30 > 1:28:31Her appointment is likely to be controversal,
1:28:31 > 1:28:33because of previous comments she made as a minister
1:28:33 > 1:28:36in the same department serving in David Cameron's department.
1:28:36 > 1:28:41So who is she?
1:28:41 > 1:28:44Esther McVey started her career as a TV presenter on GMTV.
1:28:44 > 1:28:49We all have dreams, whether it about success in your careers or improving
1:28:49 > 1:28:52our relationships with family and friends or sorting out our finances.
1:28:52 > 1:28:55Whatever success means to you, we're going to show you, how you can
1:28:55 > 1:28:59change your dream into reality. Plenty of people have, so why
1:28:59 > 1:29:03shouldn't you? But what I really want to know, what does it feel like
1:29:03 > 1:29:07when you've achieved your goal? Originally an American concept,
1:29:07 > 1:29:10business and sports people have been using personal development
1:29:10 > 1:29:13techniques for years. These professionals don't spend
1:29:13 > 1:29:18money on things they don't think are going to work. And now the same
1:29:18 > 1:29:22techniques are available to all of us.
1:29:22 > 1:29:26She first became a Conservative MP in 2010 but lost her seat in 2015.
1:29:26 > 1:29:29Whilst a minister in the Department for Work and Pensions,
1:29:29 > 1:29:36she defended the rise in figures of people using foodbanks.
1:29:36 > 1:29:39More people are visiting which you'd expect going to foodbanks because as
1:29:39 > 1:29:44the time is tough, no, no, no, as time is tough, as we're all having
1:29:44 > 1:29:51to pay back this £1.5 trillion debt personally, which spiralled under
1:29:51 > 1:29:56Labour, as we're all trying to live within our means, change the gear,
1:29:56 > 1:30:04make sure we're paying back all our debt which happened under them.
1:30:04 > 1:30:06Robert Halfon is MP for Harlow
1:30:06 > 1:30:08and chair of the Education Select Committee.
1:30:08 > 1:30:10I've been getting his reaction to Esther McVey's appointment,
1:30:10 > 1:30:12as well as the reshuffle more generally.
1:30:12 > 1:30:16The choreography wasn't perfect yesterday, but there are good men
1:30:16 > 1:30:23and women in post, great new party chairman and deputy, Essex men and
1:30:23 > 1:30:28women, I call it, running senior parts of the Conservative Party.
1:30:28 > 1:30:33Real white van conservatism, if you like. There are good people in the
1:30:33 > 1:30:37Cabinet, Damian Hinds, the new Education Secretary, very
1:30:37 > 1:30:40compassionate Conservative, believes in social justice and the public
1:30:40 > 1:30:44sector. I am pleased, actually, that Jeremy Hunt is still imposed,
1:30:44 > 1:30:50because the NHS is one of the toughest jobs in government, huge
1:30:50 > 1:30:53long-term problems. I am pleased that Sajid Javid is there. So what
1:30:53 > 1:30:57counts at the end of the day is not the choreography, but have we got
1:30:57 > 1:31:01good men and women running the country?You must be disappointed
1:31:01 > 1:31:04that Justine Greening, the first comprehensively educated Education
1:31:04 > 1:31:13Secretary has resigned.I was apprentice minister until after the
1:31:13 > 1:31:18election, and I worked with Justine Greening, and she cared deeply about
1:31:18 > 1:31:22apprenticeships and skills, but Damian Green also comes from a
1:31:22 > 1:31:27working-class background...Damian Hinds.I beg your pardon, Damian
1:31:27 > 1:31:31Hinds, very compassionate, he cares deeply about the public sector, I
1:31:31 > 1:31:35have known him for a long time, quite a wise man, so whatever the
1:31:35 > 1:31:38reasons that Justine Greening has gone, way beyond my pay grade, at
1:31:38 > 1:31:42least there is a very good replacement in the shape of Damian
1:31:42 > 1:31:49Hinds.I want to ask you finally, if I may, about the new Work and
1:31:49 > 1:31:51Pensions Secretary, Esther McVey, a former disabilities minister under
1:31:51 > 1:31:57David Cameron's government, severely criticised by many people with
1:31:57 > 1:32:02disabilities, many charities that represent people with disabilities,
1:32:02 > 1:32:06for her implementation of personal independence payments and trying to
1:32:06 > 1:32:10get many people off previous disability living allowance.Well,
1:32:10 > 1:32:15the important thing is that when she was disabilities Minister, we were
1:32:15 > 1:32:20spending roughly 50 billion a year on disability benefits, amongst the
1:32:20 > 1:32:22highest in the developed world, possibly the most highest amount of
1:32:22 > 1:32:27money. That money has continued. I think that the Government have
1:32:27 > 1:32:34learned a lot from what happened with the payments and employment
1:32:34 > 1:32:38support allowance issues. From what I understand, there will be no more
1:32:38 > 1:32:42cuts or changes to disability benefits, and I wish well in that
1:32:42 > 1:32:48post.Is she a compassionate,?I believe she is, she is also from a
1:32:48 > 1:32:52working-class background, from the North of England, and I think she
1:32:52 > 1:33:04will do the best that she possibly can for the country.
1:33:09 > 1:33:10As minister in charge of disabilites,
1:33:10 > 1:33:12she oversaw the introduction of personal independence payments,
1:33:12 > 1:33:13which replaced disabilty living allowance,
1:33:13 > 1:33:15and the closure of Remploy plants for disabled workers.
1:33:15 > 1:33:17Labour's Shadow Chancellor, John McDonnell, was widely criticised
1:33:17 > 1:33:20for calling her a "stain on humanity" during a Commons debate.
1:33:20 > 1:33:22Esther McVey lost her seat not long after those comments
1:33:22 > 1:33:24were made in the 2015 general election
1:33:24 > 1:33:26but returned to Parliament, in former Chancellor
1:33:26 > 1:33:28George Osborne's old seat of Tatton, last May.
1:33:28 > 1:33:29Esther McVey, who's previously admitted she'd like
1:33:29 > 1:33:32to be Prime Minister, is seen by colleagues as quick-witted
1:33:32 > 1:33:37and more human than some MPs.
1:33:37 > 1:33:39She's previously been involved in a campaign #notjustforboys,
1:33:39 > 1:33:48aimed at helping women to succeed in male-dominated areas.
1:33:48 > 1:33:54Barry Sheerman was criticised in 2015 for calling her a hard-hearted
1:33:54 > 1:33:57during the debate in the Commons. Former Pensions Minister and
1:33:57 > 1:34:07director of policy... I'm sorry, I can't read that!
1:34:07 > 1:34:13Sirs Steven web worked with Esther McVey. And Simon Crean has a
1:34:13 > 1:34:16neurological condition that affects his legs, he has used a wheelchair
1:34:16 > 1:34:23since 2003, also a charity campaigner. Welcome, all of you. I
1:34:23 > 1:34:31think you repeated your comment yesterday, why?It summed her up,
1:34:31 > 1:34:36she was, you know, the number two to Iain Duncan Smith, and we all knew
1:34:36 > 1:34:42in the House, and I was chair of the education committee, Robert Halfon's
1:34:42 > 1:34:46role, and she looked at the welfare state is, you know, seemed to have
1:34:46 > 1:34:50the view that it was all about scroungers and her job was to
1:34:50 > 1:34:54deliver that hard message. You know, she revelled in that role of being
1:34:54 > 1:35:00the hard person on the front bench. How do you know she revelled in it?
1:35:00 > 1:35:05Because I was in every question time where she absolutely glowed when she
1:35:05 > 1:35:10was delivering the hard message, you know, that, you know, the people at
1:35:10 > 1:35:14there, you know, most of whom she thought was scroungers were going to
1:35:14 > 1:35:17have the hard message that their benefits were being taken away from
1:35:17 > 1:35:22them, and I think it is summed up yesterday, we lose Justine Greening,
1:35:22 > 1:35:29one of the more most humane, Liberal ministers in the Government,
1:35:29 > 1:35:33replaced by this woman, who has this reputation for being a hard-hearted
1:35:33 > 1:35:37Hannah, and she will be in charge of universal credit, that is impacting
1:35:37 > 1:35:46on so many lives up and down the country.You are the former Pensions
1:35:46 > 1:35:49Minister, Sir Steve Webb, how did you find working alongside Esther
1:35:49 > 1:35:53McVey?On a personal level, I don't recognise the description that you
1:35:53 > 1:35:58have just heard. I have never heard her use the word scrounger in public
1:35:58 > 1:36:02or private, and I don't think Barry Sheerman has either. I would be
1:36:02 > 1:36:07interested to know when he has ever heard her say it. I was a member of
1:36:07 > 1:36:09the coalition government when we were trying to find savings, and it
1:36:09 > 1:36:15was a difficult time, fronting that up, and Esther McVey was someone
1:36:15 > 1:36:19who, I think, particularly as a woman in politics, in brutal
1:36:19 > 1:36:22politics, was picked on. Some much worse things than you have just
1:36:22 > 1:36:28quoted, which I cannot repeat on the BBC, which said against, she was
1:36:28 > 1:36:32personally vilified, and although I am not involved in politics anymore,
1:36:32 > 1:36:35I think that, actually, she is a humane person, the sort of person
1:36:35 > 1:36:42you want involved in these issues. Simon Greene, as a disability
1:36:42 > 1:36:48campaigner, it was one of her responsibilities to oversee the
1:36:48 > 1:36:53introduction of PIP, which took over from DLA. She was not in charge of
1:36:53 > 1:36:55the department then, it was Iain Duncan Smith, but how would you
1:36:55 > 1:37:02regard her and her promotion now? When I saw on social media that the
1:37:02 > 1:37:07role she got was work and pensions, I thought it was a joke. She is one
1:37:07 > 1:37:11of the most disliked politicians in the disabled community, completely
1:37:11 > 1:37:17clueless about how disabled people live and... The policies that the
1:37:17 > 1:37:19Conservative Party brought in over the last few years have destroyed
1:37:19 > 1:37:23the lives of many disabled people, Norman Tebbit said in an interview
1:37:23 > 1:37:27on Newsnight that when you are disabled, everything takes longer
1:37:27 > 1:37:32and everything costs more, talking about the impact that the IRA bomb
1:37:32 > 1:37:38had on his wife, yet they continue to remove DLA or PIP from thousands
1:37:38 > 1:37:41of disabled people, and Esther McVey made the comment that three times as
1:37:41 > 1:37:48many people are on it as when it was first introduced, through the
1:37:48 > 1:37:51wonders of modern medicine, more disabled people are surviving
1:37:51 > 1:37:54injuries, more disabled people are being born who would have died 20
1:37:54 > 1:37:58years ago, they are now surviving, so we will have more disabled
1:37:58 > 1:38:04people, they will need to claim PIP and DLA. I am seeing a real impact
1:38:04 > 1:38:10that these forms have had, people who have had it removed, they have
1:38:10 > 1:38:14lost their jobs, people have been suicidal...Do you accept that one
1:38:14 > 1:38:17of the impact of the personal independence payments has been that
1:38:17 > 1:38:23more people have moved into work and remained in work?I don't know where
1:38:23 > 1:38:28the Conservatives get that from, I disagree with that. Everybody I
1:38:28 > 1:38:31speak to, once you have jobs are in jobs they don't feel they can do,
1:38:31 > 1:38:36they have been forced into those jobs, and then they struggle on a
1:38:36 > 1:38:39daily basis in that working environment. And I think a lot of
1:38:39 > 1:38:44the time I don't think people are in jobs, they have been moved from JSA
1:38:44 > 1:38:50and back and forth, and they are doing voluntary jobs. I know someone
1:38:50 > 1:38:53working in a charity shop, they are not being paid for that work, but
1:38:53 > 1:38:58according to the statistics they would class as working. I know
1:38:58 > 1:39:02people who have lost their jobs under the Government, and the amount
1:39:02 > 1:39:06of money that has been wasted on the by far outstrips the amount of money
1:39:06 > 1:39:11that has been by taking all these people off benefits. The fact that
1:39:11 > 1:39:15they have employed Esther McVey, who has made lots of... The gentleman
1:39:15 > 1:39:23who spoke before, some of the things said against have been wrong and too
1:39:23 > 1:39:26personal, but what about the tens of thousands of disabled people who
1:39:26 > 1:39:30have been picked on by her and Iain Duncan Smith and the rest of this
1:39:30 > 1:39:35clueless Tory government who do not know how way real person lives? I do
1:39:35 > 1:39:38not think they care about the disabled community, I am disgusted
1:39:38 > 1:39:42she has been given this position, and I hope she doesn't last long, I
1:39:42 > 1:39:45don't think there is a single disabled person in this country who
1:39:45 > 1:39:50would say she is a good choice for the job.We did ask for some
1:39:50 > 1:39:53Conservative MPs to come on the programme, Sir Steve Webb is the
1:39:53 > 1:39:58former Pensions Minister, what would you say to Simon Crean?One of the
1:39:58 > 1:40:07things to remember is the drive that the Treasury has in this, if it is
1:40:07 > 1:40:11cutting the budget, you can simply say no and walk away or try to work
1:40:11 > 1:40:17within, and I think that is what Esther McVey did, so in other words,
1:40:17 > 1:40:20yes, anyone could resign if you felt it was going to stop things
1:40:20 > 1:40:25happening, or you can be within the system trying to moderate it, and
1:40:25 > 1:40:27you mention the positive work she did on young women trying to give
1:40:27 > 1:40:32them positive role models, and I think the caricature, you know, it
1:40:32 > 1:40:36is up to Esther McVey to defend herself and what she said, but my
1:40:36 > 1:40:41experience of her is someone who listens and is a good person in that
1:40:41 > 1:40:46role. My big concern is that we keep changing the ministers all the time,
1:40:46 > 1:40:53David Gauke, her predecessor, was only there for seven months, it is a
1:40:53 > 1:40:55complicated department responsible for pensions, disability benefits
1:40:55 > 1:40:59and employment and so on, and having someone who has been in the
1:40:59 > 1:41:03department before will help get her up to speed.Thank you all, thank
1:41:03 > 1:41:07you very much for coming on the programme, Sir Steve Webb, former
1:41:07 > 1:41:12member of the coalition government, Barry Sheerman, Labour MP, thank
1:41:12 > 1:41:20you, and Simon Greene, disability campaigner, thank you very much.
1:41:20 > 1:41:22Charities in Calais have told this programme
1:41:22 > 1:41:24around 700 migrants are living rough in the area again trying
1:41:24 > 1:41:26to make their way over to the UK.
1:41:26 > 1:41:28It's just over a year since the so-called
1:41:28 > 1:41:30Jungle camp was destroyed.
1:41:30 > 1:41:35But now French police say they're clearing tents and blankets daily
1:41:35 > 1:41:37to stop a camp re-forming there.
1:41:37 > 1:41:39Charities say awful living conditions mean people
1:41:39 > 1:41:40are taking massive risks.
1:41:40 > 1:41:43They claim a 15-year-old boy was killed over the Christmas break
1:41:43 > 1:41:47trying to jump on a truck to reach his brother here in the UK.
1:41:47 > 1:41:50Our reporter Catrin Nye has just returned from Calais.
1:41:50 > 1:41:55We bought you her full report earlier, here's a short extract.
1:41:55 > 1:41:57So this is where you sleep?
1:41:57 > 1:41:58This is...
1:41:58 > 1:42:00Yeah.
1:42:00 > 1:42:04Our roof is...
1:42:04 > 1:42:07Standing because of these trees.
1:42:07 > 1:42:09Ikram is 18 and from Nangarhar, one of Afghanistan's
1:42:09 > 1:42:11most dangerous regions.
1:42:11 > 1:42:12He's been in Calais a week.
1:42:12 > 1:42:17It must be so cold?It is.
1:42:17 > 1:42:20And, you know, how does it feel when it is cold and you are wet?
1:42:20 > 1:42:22Like, your clothes, everything is wet.
1:42:22 > 1:42:25How long do you think you can live like this?
1:42:25 > 1:42:29Three months, four months. I hope I don't...
1:42:29 > 1:42:35I just don't get sick. Because I don't want to leave.
1:42:35 > 1:42:38In October 2016, French authorities cleared the camp here,
1:42:38 > 1:42:42known as the Jungle.
1:42:42 > 1:42:48But people have kept coming, finding new places to set up temporary home.
1:42:48 > 1:42:52So now the Jungle's gone, thousands of people every night
1:42:52 > 1:42:56sleeping between these massive amounts of industrial waste,
1:42:56 > 1:43:00right in the middle of Calais.
1:43:00 > 1:43:03Charities estimate that up to 700 people are here now,
1:43:03 > 1:43:07many again pitching tents in the woods for shelter.
1:43:07 > 1:43:09But the police are constantly pulling these down
1:43:09 > 1:43:13because they don't want new camps here.
1:43:13 > 1:43:16The vast majority here are men from four countries -
1:43:16 > 1:43:18Afghanistan, Sudan, Eritrea and Ethiopia.
1:43:18 > 1:43:23So we've just noticed some police over here,
1:43:23 > 1:43:26taking people's possessions out of the woods.
1:43:26 > 1:43:29So we're going to speak to them.
1:43:37 > 1:43:39Look, you will return?
1:43:39 > 1:43:40OK.
1:43:40 > 1:43:41It's forbidden for you to stay here.
1:43:41 > 1:43:43OK, thank you.
1:43:43 > 1:43:47OK, thank you.
1:43:47 > 1:43:50How often, Annie, do they clear people's possessions here?
1:43:50 > 1:43:55There is one clearance every day, normally.
1:43:55 > 1:43:58We've had so many reports of the police
1:43:58 > 1:43:59spraying with tear gas, tents, sleeping bags, blankets.
1:43:59 > 1:44:01And people themselves.
1:44:01 > 1:44:04People have been woken up by just being sprayed in the face.
1:44:04 > 1:44:07And that is not a legitimate use of tear gas.
1:44:07 > 1:44:10It's an excessive use of force.
1:44:10 > 1:44:12Police in Calais responded to this,
1:44:12 > 1:44:16saying they act in accordance with the rule of law.
1:44:16 > 1:44:19All day and all night here,
1:44:19 > 1:44:23people still wait for an opportunity to jump on a passing truck.
1:44:23 > 1:44:27So unfortunately last month two refugees died at the border.
1:44:27 > 1:44:30One of them was a 15-year-old boy.
1:44:30 > 1:44:33And one person is still in critical condition
1:44:33 > 1:44:37after being severely injured.
1:44:37 > 1:44:40What we really want is just basic provisions allowing people
1:44:40 > 1:44:43to survive, and then for their cases to be fairly assessed
1:44:43 > 1:44:48while they are here.
1:44:48 > 1:44:51We're going to get the truck driver's perspective now,
1:44:51 > 1:44:54as well as the perspective of those who try illegally to get
1:44:54 > 1:44:57on the back of a lorry or under a lorry to get to Britain.
1:44:57 > 1:44:59Farid Saleh is a refugee
1:44:59 > 1:45:03who hid on a lorry in Calais to get to the UK.
1:45:03 > 1:45:05Richard Burnett is from the Road Haulage Association.
1:45:05 > 1:45:07Toby Ovens works for a haulage company.
1:45:07 > 1:45:17Philippa Boyle's from the charity Help Refugees.
1:45:17 > 1:45:20The camp is closed, but clearly hundreds of migrants are now back
1:45:20 > 1:45:25there. What impact is that having on drivers?It's having a dramatic
1:45:25 > 1:45:29impact on drivers and I think before we talk about that impact it is fair
1:45:29 > 1:45:34to say that the camp was closed in October of last year.2016 actually?
1:45:34 > 1:45:40Yes, sorry 2016. It is over, it will well over a year since it closed,
1:45:40 > 1:45:43but it might have dropped out of gaze of the media, but it certainly
1:45:43 > 1:45:48hasn't stopped and even since that point, drivers have been continually
1:45:48 > 1:45:55attacked on a daily basis over that intervening period and you know what
1:45:55 > 1:46:00we are still seeing, we are seeing attacks by traffickers who are,
1:46:00 > 1:46:05their modus operandi is to throw bricks, stones and put concrete
1:46:05 > 1:46:10boulders in the road and lie in the road to effectively stop drivers in
1:46:10 > 1:46:15order to create a queue and to jump on vehicles. So, you know, we're
1:46:15 > 1:46:19still, as an industry, we're still facing these issues, this issue has
1:46:19 > 1:46:23not gone away.How many attacks on drivers, or hauliers were there in
1:46:23 > 1:46:28the month of December say?It's difficult to actually quantify and
1:46:28 > 1:46:31put a number on it. We set-up a helpline so we could get information
1:46:31 > 1:46:36on aldaily basis. So, you know, for those that are reporting it, we are
1:46:36 > 1:46:39getting daily reports of probably, you know, five, six attacks. We know
1:46:39 > 1:46:44the number are far higher than that. And the attempts to get on vehicles
1:46:44 > 1:46:51are far higher than that on a daily basis as well.OK. I want you to
1:46:51 > 1:46:54talk about the risks you were prepared to take when you lived in
1:46:54 > 1:47:02the camp for a month or so in order to get to Britain?Well, to start
1:47:02 > 1:47:05off with, there was the pressure from the police every morning waking
1:47:05 > 1:47:13us up from our tents to relocate us. For example, we would make ourselves
1:47:13 > 1:47:16to the local charity way, on the way, there would be October
1:47:16 > 1:47:19stickicals, they would come with their sticks and say, "You can't go
1:47:19 > 1:47:25this way, you have to go another way." ." The police were after us
1:47:25 > 1:47:30every morning. We couldn't sleep properly. It wasn't a great place to
1:47:30 > 1:47:36live, will you the police were pushing us to relocate and the
1:47:36 > 1:47:39pressure from them was overwhelming for us.In terms of the risks you
1:47:39 > 1:47:43were prepared to take to get to blind that involved at one point...
1:47:43 > 1:47:49Climbing under a lorry?Yeah, it did. Coming from Afghanistan, the
1:47:49 > 1:47:53difficulties we had faced is, the risk that is here is much better
1:47:53 > 1:47:56than the risk to stay in Afghanistan. So there was a lot of
1:47:56 > 1:48:02risk involved.And you were 13 at the time?Yes, I was.How did you
1:48:02 > 1:48:07hang on to that lorry or were you able to get inside?There was an
1:48:07 > 1:48:13extra tyre and I stayed on top of the tyre. It was risky and the, you
1:48:13 > 1:48:17just have to go through the tyre and just sit on the tyre. It was really
1:48:17 > 1:48:24risky.And did you see other migrants, other traffickers,
1:48:24 > 1:48:28potentially, threatening drivers, attacking drivers?I didn't see
1:48:28 > 1:48:33anything like that, but I heard stories that it does happen. The
1:48:33 > 1:48:37traffickers are doing anything to keep their territory under their
1:48:37 > 1:48:41control, yeah.Right. One thing that our audience always asks is why did
1:48:41 > 1:48:45you want to come to Britain, to leave Afghanistan, as a 13-year-old
1:48:45 > 1:48:48boy and make your way through however many countries to get to
1:48:48 > 1:48:53Calais in order to get to the UK ultimately, why Britain?Because
1:48:53 > 1:48:57Britain, we believe in a system that is there for refugees and asylum
1:48:57 > 1:49:03seekers. I personally didn't believe in the system that is in France and
1:49:03 > 1:49:07or in other countries I passed through. I believed the system in
1:49:07 > 1:49:11the UK, according to, from my prospective was safe and we would
1:49:11 > 1:49:18get justice we need.OK, that's interesting. Philippa Boyle. Tell us
1:49:18 > 1:49:22about the 15-year-old boy who say was killed in Calais over the
1:49:22 > 1:49:28Christmas period?Yes, that boy is actually one of five minors so
1:49:28 > 1:49:34people under the age of 18 who have been killed trying to get to the UK
1:49:34 > 1:49:38in two-and-a-half years who have family members in the UK. So, many,
1:49:38 > 1:49:42many more have been killed besides having been forced to take those
1:49:42 > 1:49:48risks because there are no obvious, clear legal routes available for em.
1:49:48 > 1:49:52Do you know what happened in the circumstances here?He was killed by
1:49:52 > 1:49:56a truck, yes.He was run over or he was underneath or...He was run
1:49:56 > 1:50:05over.Right. In terms of what should be done, suppose responsibility is
1:50:05 > 1:50:11it?I any terms of the children, in terms of these unaccompanied minors
1:50:11 > 1:50:15who have family members in the UK or we have got a ten-year-old boy who
1:50:15 > 1:50:19is sleeping in Calais, sleeping under an emergency blanket, it's
1:50:19 > 1:50:22really clear that there is an obligation from our government, a
1:50:22 > 1:50:26legal obligation under both the Dubs Amendment for unaccompanied children
1:50:26 > 1:50:32without family members in the UK and under Dublin three for people with
1:50:32 > 1:50:36family members living here to bring children to safety.Is that
1:50:36 > 1:50:41ten-year-old with his family?No, he is unaccompanied.How has he got to
1:50:41 > 1:50:45Calais and from where?He has come from Iraq and he will have come, you
1:50:45 > 1:50:50know, with in the company of different traffickers, different
1:50:50 > 1:50:54adults, people will take him under their wing, but ultimately, it's up
1:50:54 > 1:50:57to the governments to be doing more to protect these children.British
1:50:57 > 1:51:04Government? And the French.The British and the French Government.
1:51:04 > 1:51:10James e-mails, "I worked as a volunteer in Calais for six months.
1:51:10 > 1:51:17It makes me sick hearing people talk about our country being full. They
1:51:17 > 1:51:22don't have a clue about the suffering people are escaping. At
1:51:22 > 1:51:26the height, there was 10,000 people in the country. We can take that
1:51:26 > 1:51:29number of people. Those talking about looking after our own is a
1:51:29 > 1:51:34reason not to show people basic humanity are on the wrong side of
1:51:34 > 1:51:38history." Lesley e-mailed, "Of been watching your programme. I would
1:51:38 > 1:51:44very much like to help the young man in the film who gave an eloquent and
1:51:44 > 1:51:50heartfelt interview. If I can help one person, it will be a beginning."
1:51:50 > 1:51:54Colin says, "What we need to understand is why they feel taking
1:51:54 > 1:51:58the risk of coming to the UK is worth it. Clearly, they think that
1:51:58 > 1:52:02the UK will treat them better than Europe. ." Which what you have just
1:52:02 > 1:52:08told us. I wonder Richard, what you think ought to be done.This is a
1:52:08 > 1:52:11humanitarian issue and it's one where I don't think the British
1:52:11 > 1:52:16Government or the French Government are doing enough. It's also a
1:52:16 > 1:52:20humanitarian issue for the drivers that are facing violence on a daily
1:52:20 > 1:52:24basis. They didn't sign up, you know, to face this kind of
1:52:24 > 1:52:28intimidation and violence. So I think, both the British Government,
1:52:28 > 1:52:33needs to be influencing the French Government. The British Government
1:52:33 > 1:52:37is like a revolving door nerms it of the immigration ministers and the
1:52:37 > 1:52:40number of ministers we have gone through over the last two or three
1:52:40 > 1:52:43years, it is difficult to get relationships built and it is
1:52:43 > 1:52:47difficult to influence and difficult to make the changes. I think from a
1:52:47 > 1:52:52French prospective, you know, we've also got the French Government and a
1:52:52 > 1:52:56disconnect with Macron and his view and in terms of how he wants to
1:52:56 > 1:52:59approach things. From my prospective, there is intelligence
1:52:59 > 1:53:03and evidence that is suggesting that the heartbeat monitors are being
1:53:03 > 1:53:09switched off at the French border so almost allowing migrants to pass
1:53:09 > 1:53:14through so, I don't think there is a will.What would be the motivation
1:53:14 > 1:53:17for that because it is easier? Because it is easier and they don't
1:53:17 > 1:53:21want to deal with the issue. They need to process the migrants
1:53:21 > 1:53:29quicker.There is no place for people to claim asylum in Calais.
1:53:29 > 1:53:33People who are willing and ready to claim asylum in France, there is no
1:53:33 > 1:53:37easy way to do that and when you do, you still have to wait, you are
1:53:37 > 1:53:40homeless for three to six months or even more while you are waiting for
1:53:40 > 1:53:44your case to be processed.OK. Thank you very much. Thank you for coming
1:53:44 > 1:53:49on the programme. Thank you.
1:53:49 > 1:53:52North Korea is to send a delegation to the 2018 Winter Olympic Games,
1:53:52 > 1:53:54taking place in South Korea in February, officials
1:53:54 > 1:53:56from the South have announced.
1:53:56 > 1:53:59The breakthrough came as the countries met for their first
1:53:59 > 1:54:00high-level talks in more than two years.
1:54:00 > 1:54:05The delegation will include athletes, officials and supporters.
1:54:05 > 1:54:07Let's talk to Jihyun Park, who fled from north Korea in 2004,
1:54:07 > 1:54:10but hasn't been able to speak to her family that remain
1:54:10 > 1:54:16in the country.
1:54:16 > 1:54:18Jieun Baek who has written about the conditions
1:54:18 > 1:54:20for the citizens of North Korea.
1:54:20 > 1:54:23Her parents fled the country during the Korean War.
1:54:23 > 1:54:25Christopher Green is from the International Crisis Group,
1:54:25 > 1:54:35an organisation that was set up to prevent conflicts.
1:54:44 > 1:54:54Jieun Baek, what is your reaction? It is cautious sin is a nism. We
1:54:54 > 1:54:58have seen time and time again North Korea proposing high level talks at
1:54:58 > 1:55:04a time of high tensions and they have put on their peace offensive
1:55:04 > 1:55:09and charm offensive. I hope I'm wrong That is not going to be a
1:55:09 > 1:55:17repeat event. But I am surprised at the timing, but I am also not
1:55:17 > 1:55:25surprised, they are brilliant diplomatic plays in trying to
1:55:25 > 1:55:29impress the world with their supposed normal image of themselves
1:55:29 > 1:55:37as a normal country.You have talk on our programme before about how
1:55:37 > 1:55:41you defected. You will know that South Korea have proposed holding
1:55:41 > 1:55:45family reunions during the Winter Olympics for people separated, is
1:55:45 > 1:55:49that something that you might pursue in order to try to meet your family
1:55:49 > 1:55:57who are still back there?Yes, I know that the meeting is important
1:55:57 > 1:56:04to south and North Korea and they talked about separate family issues,
1:56:04 > 1:56:10but that is family issues. It is human issues, but always North Korea
1:56:10 > 1:56:19think about politics. Many North Koreans, many Korean families
1:56:19 > 1:56:30separated in the north and south, but the meeting time is not, it is
1:56:30 > 1:56:38peaceful, and this meeting because it is North Korea always think about
1:56:38 > 1:56:42this meeting was political issues.A week ago, North Korea were
1:56:42 > 1:56:47threatening nuclear war. Now we have got this delegation going to the
1:56:47 > 1:56:50winter Games in south next month, how do you react to it?I welcome
1:56:50 > 1:56:53it. There are plenty of humanitarian concerns that can be dealt with
1:56:53 > 1:57:00through this period of talks. I share the sane sism voiced earlier
1:57:00 > 1:57:05about North Korean motivations, but South Korea have their own
1:57:05 > 1:57:09motivations too.What would be their interests? Explain to our audience?
1:57:09 > 1:57:13Well, they have got an interest in reducing military tensions between
1:57:13 > 1:57:18the two countries which is good for the South Korean economy and good
1:57:18 > 1:57:22for the South Korean people. They want to achieve the separated family
1:57:22 > 1:57:26reunions. So they have those goals and hopefully it is one way to get
1:57:26 > 1:57:36there.OK. Well, we will see what happens. I wonder, Jieun Baek, you
1:57:36 > 1:57:46talked about your sin is a nism, what would be an ideal scenario?It
1:57:46 > 1:57:52would be a complete equalisation of the country. That's ideal. I think
1:57:52 > 1:57:57more practically speaking a verifiable escalation of tension --
1:57:57 > 1:58:02de-escalation of tensions on the peninsula would be a positive
1:58:02 > 1:58:05achievement from these talks.Thank you very much. I'm soary, we
1:58:05 > 1:58:11couldn't give you more time. Thank you very much for your time.
1:58:11 > 1:58:13On the programme tomorrow - we look at new stronger strains
1:58:13 > 1:58:16of the drug Spice and the impact it's having on towns
1:58:16 > 1:58:17and cities across the UK.
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