0:00:25 > 0:00:26Our top story today.
0:00:26 > 0:00:28One of Britain's biggest construction companies, Carillion,
0:00:28 > 0:00:30has been placed into liquidation this morning, threatening
0:00:30 > 0:00:31thousands of jobs.
0:00:31 > 0:00:33The move came after discussions between Carillion, its lenders
0:00:33 > 0:00:36and the Government failed to reach a deal to save the company.
0:00:36 > 0:00:38We'll hear from some of those affected throughout the programme.
0:00:38 > 0:00:39Also on the programme...
0:00:39 > 0:00:42The UK still has one of the highest rates of teenage
0:00:42 > 0:00:43pregnancies in Europe, despite it halving in
0:00:43 > 0:00:44the last eight years.
0:00:44 > 0:00:47And now, for the first time in almost a decade,
0:00:47 > 0:00:50councils are going to get government guidance on how to reduce
0:00:50 > 0:00:51the number still further.
0:00:51 > 0:00:53I feel like being a parent's probably one of the loneliest
0:00:53 > 0:00:54places I've been.
0:00:54 > 0:00:56And you lose a lot of your friends.
0:00:56 > 0:00:58They don't want to focus on this little baby.
0:00:58 > 0:01:00They want to go out, do their own thing.
0:01:00 > 0:01:03And I feel like it's probably one of the loneliest places.
0:01:03 > 0:01:05But no-one prepares you for that.
0:01:05 > 0:01:08We'll hear from teen mums.
0:01:08 > 0:01:10Plus, calls for the Government to drop its target of reducing
0:01:10 > 0:01:12immigration to below 100,000, with MPs saying instead,
0:01:12 > 0:01:14the Government should focus on building consensus
0:01:14 > 0:01:15amongst the public.
0:01:15 > 0:01:20But how easy is that?
0:01:20 > 0:01:23Immigration has been hugely imported the UK economy. We do need some
0:01:23 > 0:01:29controls, but I think any policy should have compassion at its heart.
0:01:29 > 0:01:34I believe immigration has had a positive impact and I believe we can
0:01:34 > 0:01:37create a fair and transparent system together that can meet the needs of
0:01:37 > 0:01:43our economy.Immigration has been positive for the UK but we need a
0:01:43 > 0:01:50point basis for the whole of the world.
0:01:50 > 0:01:58Much more from them after 09:00.
0:01:59 > 0:02:00Hello.
0:02:00 > 0:02:01Welcome to the programme.
0:02:01 > 0:02:05We're live until 11 this morning.
0:02:05 > 0:02:07Throughout the programme, the latest breaking news
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0:02:10 > 0:02:12At half ten, the Scottish Government will warn
0:02:12 > 0:02:13about the financial costs of Brexit.
0:02:13 > 0:02:15We'll bring it to you live.
0:02:15 > 0:02:18Also, we want to hear from you this morning if you, like Henry Bolton,
0:02:18 > 0:02:20have dumped your girlfriend or boyfriend for their views.
0:02:20 > 0:02:21Tell me what happened.
0:02:21 > 0:02:23Send me an email.
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0:02:32 > 0:02:36Virgin Trains is reversing its decision to ban sales of the Daily
0:02:36 > 0:02:41Mail on its West Coast services.Sir Richard Branson says he and Richard
0:02:41 > 0:02:45Souter had asked managers to reconsider, saying tolerance of
0:02:45 > 0:02:51different views as part of a free society. Your views are welcome. And
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0:03:00 > 0:03:01Our top story today...
0:03:01 > 0:03:03One of Britain's biggest construction firms, and a main
0:03:03 > 0:03:04contractor on government building projects, Carillion,
0:03:04 > 0:03:05has been put into liquidation.
0:03:05 > 0:03:0820,000 workers are now facing an uncertain future.
0:03:08 > 0:03:10The company is involved in major projects such as HS2 and Crossrail,
0:03:10 > 0:03:12but has debts of £900 million.
0:03:12 > 0:03:14Questions are being asked about why the Government continued to give
0:03:14 > 0:03:16business to Carillion, even after it issued
0:03:16 > 0:03:20profit warnings.
0:03:20 > 0:03:23Our business editor, Simon Jack, is here.
0:03:23 > 0:03:27What has gone wrong with this company? Contracting is a risky
0:03:27 > 0:03:32business. You have a lot of contracts and sometimes the overrun.
0:03:32 > 0:03:36This company but its revenue as if these contracts would go swimmingly.
0:03:36 > 0:03:41So they said, that money is as good as in the bank. But with several
0:03:41 > 0:03:44contracts, things went wrong, big cost overruns and a lot of dead,
0:03:44 > 0:03:49owing banks more than £900 million. So the bank said, we don't want to
0:03:49 > 0:03:54lend you more money, it needed money. The bank said, unless we get
0:03:54 > 0:03:57a good and guarantee for that money, we're not throwing good money after
0:03:57 > 0:04:01bad and they pulled the plug. The guidance says, we can't probably is
0:04:01 > 0:04:07company, it is a private company, we cannot use tax payers money. This is
0:04:07 > 0:04:12complicated because Carillion is not just a building company, it supplies
0:04:12 > 0:04:16key public services. Prisons, schools, hospital contract. What the
0:04:16 > 0:04:20government has said today is, if you are a Carillion employee, go to work
0:04:20 > 0:04:24great you will be paid. The Government will stand behind the
0:04:24 > 0:04:28wages of those public service workers. For how long? Until an
0:04:28 > 0:04:33alternative contractor is found, it could be weeks or months. This is
0:04:33 > 0:04:36not new government money, this is what they would have given the
0:04:36 > 0:04:40Carillion to give to them, but they will give it directly to them. Which
0:04:40 > 0:04:44ignites the debate, should you outsource this stuff at all? That is
0:04:44 > 0:04:49what the Labour Party position is. The Transport Secretary last summer
0:04:49 > 0:04:53awarded Carillion part of contracts to build HS2. It week after the
0:04:53 > 0:05:00company issued a profits warning and the Chief Executive Department for
0:05:00 > 0:05:05-- and the Chief Executive departed. A lot of eyebrows were raised at the
0:05:05 > 0:05:10time. What Chris Grayling, Transport Secretary at the time, will say is,
0:05:10 > 0:05:13we construct these deals on such a way there were three Pogba so if one
0:05:13 > 0:05:19went bust, the other two could take over. -- three partners. And there
0:05:19 > 0:05:24was an amount of pigment trying to help the Carillion because plenty
0:05:24 > 0:05:28tell me if Carillion had not got those contracts, it would have been
0:05:28 > 0:05:32curtains for them.Thank you very much.
0:05:32 > 0:05:33Mick Lynch is the lead negotiator with Carillion
0:05:33 > 0:05:36for the RMT rail union.
0:05:36 > 0:05:42Hello. Your reaction first of all that the company has gone into
0:05:42 > 0:05:46liquidation.A terrible day for our members. We have to secure that our
0:05:46 > 0:05:50members get paid this month. We have heard the fuel cards Carillion issue
0:05:50 > 0:05:54for the fans have not been honoured some members are trying to get to
0:05:54 > 0:05:58work in Carillion vehicles that cannot get fuel. The company is
0:05:58 > 0:06:06incomplete crisis. You need Network Rail to secure the work. And secure
0:06:06 > 0:06:11the future of our members and their pensions and their pay. It is a
0:06:11 > 0:06:15crisis of the making of Carillion and some of the Director should be
0:06:15 > 0:06:20accountable.Does it reassure you that the Government has said they
0:06:20 > 0:06:25will step in and pay the wages are sure you?Nothing assures me that
0:06:25 > 0:06:29Chris Grayling has done because his judgment is faulty. We need Network
0:06:29 > 0:06:33Rail and the others, Heathrow express, to step in now and assure
0:06:33 > 0:06:38the staff they will be paid. They are the clouds, it is work on their
0:06:38 > 0:06:41property and their facilities. They can take these people in house this
0:06:41 > 0:06:48week and give them a secure future and ensure that work continues.You
0:06:48 > 0:06:51said the Director should be accountable, they were paying
0:06:51 > 0:06:56dividends to shareholders last year, what you mean by accountable, what
0:06:56 > 0:06:59should happen?Massive dividends and bonuses year-on-year and they have
0:06:59 > 0:07:03not taken prudence in putting money into the pension schemes. £600
0:07:03 > 0:07:08billion which could go up to 800, 900 billion. No legislation means
0:07:08 > 0:07:13these people have to put a priority pensioners and people's features. It
0:07:13 > 0:07:17is a scandal that these people could just walk away from the wreckage of
0:07:17 > 0:07:20this company while ordinary working people will be scrabbling around for
0:07:20 > 0:07:24work with no idea what the future brings for their pensions and their
0:07:24 > 0:07:28families. It is disgusting, frankly. The callousness of these directors
0:07:28 > 0:07:34and modern capitalism is an outrage. Thank you very much. Michael Lynch,
0:07:34 > 0:07:38from the RMT rail union. This message says, the Government and has
0:07:38 > 0:07:42a lot to answer for by giving contracts to a volatile company.
0:07:42 > 0:07:44Various government departments were aware Carillion was struggling when
0:07:44 > 0:07:53they gave them the HS2 and hospital contracts. More on that wrote the
0:07:53 > 0:07:57programme. If you work for Carillion, do get in touch.
0:07:57 > 0:07:59Annita is in the BBC Newsroom, with a summary
0:07:59 > 0:08:01of the rest of the day's news.
0:08:01 > 0:08:07Thank you, Victoria. Good morning.
0:08:08 > 0:08:10Ukip leader Henry Bolton says he won't be resigning,
0:08:10 > 0:08:12despite the controversy over racist remarks made by his girlfriend
0:08:12 > 0:08:15Jo Marney, but has told the BBC he is no longer romantically
0:08:15 > 0:08:16involved with her.
0:08:16 > 0:08:19Ms Marney had been criticised over a series of text messages she had
0:08:19 > 0:08:21made about about Prince Harry's fiancee, Meghan Markle.
0:08:21 > 0:08:24Ms Marney has apologised for the comments, but has insisted
0:08:24 > 0:08:25they were taken out of context.
0:08:25 > 0:08:28Mr Bolton has faced calls from within Ukip to leave
0:08:28 > 0:08:29"quickly" and "quietly".
0:08:29 > 0:08:32But he told the BBC this morning that his leadership was needed
0:08:32 > 0:08:39to hold the Government to account on Brexit.
0:08:39 > 0:08:42We have together made the decision that the romantic element of our
0:08:42 > 0:08:50relationship should end. She is utterly distraught. Close to
0:08:50 > 0:08:53breakdown over all of this. She never intended these comments to
0:08:53 > 0:08:57ever be made public. They were made some time ago. And indeed, although
0:08:57 > 0:09:04utterly indefensible, there is some context to them which, in time, will
0:09:04 > 0:09:13be revealed. But the fact is that I am going to be supporting her family
0:09:13 > 0:09:20and supporting her in rebuilding her life, going forward.Henry Bolton.
0:09:21 > 0:09:23The Palestinian President, Mahmoud Abbas, has said he will not
0:09:23 > 0:09:25accept any Middle East peace plane brokered by the US,
0:09:25 > 0:09:27following Donald Trump's move to recognise Jerusalem
0:09:27 > 0:09:28as Israel's capital.
0:09:28 > 0:09:31In a speech, Mr Abbas described the move as the "slap
0:09:31 > 0:09:32of the century" for Palestinians.
0:09:32 > 0:09:34President Trump has threatened to cut aid if the Palestinians
0:09:34 > 0:09:39reject peace talks.
0:09:39 > 0:09:42President Trump has publicly denied being a racist,
0:09:42 > 0:09:44as a row continues over offensive language he allegedly used
0:09:44 > 0:09:46to describe African, Central American and Caribbean
0:09:46 > 0:09:47countries.
0:09:47 > 0:09:50The comments were reported to have been made during a meeting with US
0:09:50 > 0:09:52senators on immigration at the White House.
0:09:52 > 0:09:54In his first direct response to accusations of racism,
0:09:54 > 0:10:02Donald Trump told reporters he had not made the comments.
0:10:16 > 0:10:19Police in East Yorkshire believe they've found the body of a man,
0:10:19 > 0:10:21suspected of using a crossbow to kill his neighbour.
0:10:21 > 0:10:23Officers in Humberside began searching for 56-year-old
0:10:23 > 0:10:24Anthony Lawrennce, following the death
0:10:24 > 0:10:27of Shane Gilmer on Friday.
0:10:27 > 0:10:29His pregnant girlfriend, Laura Sugden, was also seriously
0:10:29 > 0:10:34wounded in the attack.
0:10:34 > 0:10:37The Government is being urged to drop its target of reducing net
0:10:37 > 0:10:39migration to the "tens of thousands", because MPs warn it
0:10:39 > 0:10:43"undermines" trust in the state's ability to control immigration.
0:10:43 > 0:10:46A report from the Home Affairs Committee also warns that anxiety
0:10:46 > 0:10:49over the number of people living in the UK illegally has been
0:10:49 > 0:10:51allowed to grow "unchecked" because of a lack of official data
0:10:51 > 0:10:59on the scale of the problem.
0:11:00 > 0:11:03Dozens of people have been injured follwing the collapse of a mezzanine
0:11:03 > 0:11:04floor at the Jakarta stock exchange building.
0:11:04 > 0:11:08The area was evacuated and cordoned off by police and a number of people
0:11:08 > 0:11:16were seen on stretchers being carried from the building.
0:11:17 > 0:11:20The American comedian and actor Aziz Ansari has responded
0:11:20 > 0:11:22to an accusation of sexual assault by saying he had believed
0:11:22 > 0:11:24the encounter to be "completely consensual".
0:11:24 > 0:11:26Babe magazine published a detailed account over the weekend
0:11:26 > 0:11:31from a 23-year-old woman
0:11:31 > 0:11:36She said she felt victimised after a date with Aziz Ansari. She said it
0:11:36 > 0:11:40had taken her a long time to validate this as a sexual assault.
0:11:40 > 0:11:43MPs are calling for more evidence about women's experiences of sexual
0:11:43 > 0:11:46harassment in public places, to try to find out what can be done
0:11:46 > 0:11:52to tackle the issue.
0:11:52 > 0:11:54Research by YouGov suggests 85% of women between 18 and 24
0:11:54 > 0:11:56years old have experienced unwanted sexual attention in public.
0:11:56 > 0:11:58Parliament's Women and Equalities Committee says it wants
0:11:58 > 0:12:01to understand why it happens and establish what can be done
0:12:01 > 0:12:05to combat the problem.
0:12:05 > 0:12:07Meanwhile, the French actress Catherine Deneuve has apologised
0:12:07 > 0:12:10to victims of sexual assault who were offended by
0:12:10 > 0:12:12a letter she signed, which criticised the 'MeToo'
0:12:12 > 0:12:13campaign against harassment.
0:12:13 > 0:12:16She was among 100 women who put their names to the letter,
0:12:16 > 0:12:20which defended the right of men to made advances towards women.
0:12:20 > 0:12:23Ms Deneuve said she stood by the letter, but did not
0:12:23 > 0:12:31want to cause any distress to those who had suffered abuse.
0:12:33 > 0:12:37Caroline says that this harassment has gone beyond normality. Our sons
0:12:37 > 0:12:41will be afraid to approach a girl and our daughters will never receive
0:12:41 > 0:12:45a compliment from a male. And on the Ukip leader Henry Bolton separating
0:12:45 > 0:12:50from his girlfriend because of her views, this says, he dumped her to
0:12:50 > 0:12:55save his career, not because of her views. If she can express and
0:12:55 > 0:12:58friend, does she -- does he expect us to believe the topic of race
0:12:58 > 0:13:04never came up for as long as the happy ever after lasted? This says,
0:13:04 > 0:13:13I'm sure he knew her views, he dumped her because he was -- she was
0:13:13 > 0:13:15caught expressing them. But Henry Bolton said this morning that
0:13:15 > 0:13:17conversation had never come up.
0:13:17 > 0:13:20Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -
0:13:20 > 0:13:23use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and If you text, you will be charged
0:13:23 > 0:13:28at the standard network rate.
0:13:28 > 0:13:31Let's get some sport with Hugh - and some sad news to begin with,
0:13:31 > 0:13:34we've heard this morning that Cyrille Regis has passed away.
0:13:34 > 0:13:37He was a real pioneer, wasn't he?
0:13:37 > 0:13:42Devastating news, the death of Cyrille Regis at the age of 59,
0:13:42 > 0:13:45personally devastating news because as a young black football ban, it
0:13:45 > 0:13:50was clear in my household that Cyrille Regis and the late Laurie
0:13:50 > 0:13:54Cunningham paved the way for the careers of so many black players in
0:13:54 > 0:14:00this country due to their successful period in the late 1970s. Their goal
0:14:00 > 0:14:04of the season in 1982, West Bromwich finishing third in the top flight.
0:14:04 > 0:14:10The trio. The trio enjoyed racist abuse from the terraces but 112
0:14:10 > 0:14:14goals in his time at the Hawthorns which helped Regis to become a hero
0:14:14 > 0:14:19at the club and he earned a number of England caps before moving to
0:14:19 > 0:14:24Coventry in 1984 where he won an FA Cup cup, receiving an MBE from The
0:14:24 > 0:14:28Queen in 2008 for services to the voluntary sector and football. He
0:14:28 > 0:14:32will be sorely missed in football in this country and already a number of
0:14:32 > 0:14:36players coming out, like the former inland captain Rio Ferdinand is to
0:14:36 > 0:14:41pay tribute to him. And many people calling him a pioneer and just how
0:14:41 > 0:14:47he paved the way for so many black players in this country.
0:14:47 > 0:14:50Let's talk about Ryan Giggs - it looks as though he's going to be
0:14:50 > 0:14:51the new manager of Wales.
0:14:51 > 0:14:55He doesn't have much experience at that level, does he?
0:14:55 > 0:15:01No, Victoria, and it is a talented Wales team, they reached the
0:15:01 > 0:15:05semifinals in Euro 2017. Gareth Bale and Ashley Williams in the squad,
0:15:05 > 0:15:08hugely influential. Since Chris Coleman left the job and things did
0:15:08 > 0:15:12not go his way in the World Cup qualifying, they missed out on the
0:15:12 > 0:15:15tournament this summer, this is seen as a key appointment for Wales. We
0:15:15 > 0:15:19expect rain gigs to be named as the new manager today to take charge of
0:15:19 > 0:15:23what has been dubbed their golden generation of players, but it will
0:15:23 > 0:15:28be seen as a risk by some. Giggs does not have that much experience.
0:15:28 > 0:15:31He has not managed at a club other than a handful of matches after
0:15:31 > 0:15:37David Moyes was sacked at Manchester United in 2014. The FA of Wales do
0:15:37 > 0:15:42see him as their preferred option. He is expected to sign a four-year
0:15:42 > 0:15:46deal later and the emphasis will be on them qualifying for Euro 2020 so
0:15:46 > 0:15:52a big job on the hands of Ryan Giggs.
0:15:52 > 0:15:57What a game between Liverpool and Manchester City, Manchester City are
0:15:57 > 0:16:05probably going to win.It was an unbelievable run for Manchester City
0:16:05 > 0:16:11in the Premier League. In all honesty, despite the 4-3 scoreline
0:16:11 > 0:16:15it was more than deserved victory for the Merseysiders, scoring three
0:16:15 > 0:16:17time in eight second half minutes to really take the game aafrom the
0:16:17 > 0:16:23Premier League leaders. They managed to hold on for a nervy few final
0:16:23 > 0:16:27minutes after City managed a few late consolation goals. Pep
0:16:27 > 0:16:31Guardiola called this a reminder to the rest of the League that the race
0:16:31 > 0:16:34for the title isn't over, however, with a 15 point lead at the top,
0:16:34 > 0:16:39well, that's a pretty comfortable buffer at this stage of the season.
0:16:39 > 0:16:41Arsenal disappointing for them, they were beaten by Bournemouth for the
0:16:41 > 0:16:47first time yesterday. It's likely that they'll lose Alexis Sanchez in
0:16:47 > 0:16:56the coming days. We will have more on that in the next few days,
0:16:57 > 0:17:00on that in the next few days, but the main story, Cyril Reggis dying
0:17:00 > 0:17:03from a suspected heart attack.
0:17:03 > 0:17:05Teenage pregnancy rates in the UK have halved
0:17:05 > 0:17:07in the past eight years, but are still among
0:17:07 > 0:17:11the highest in Europe.
0:17:11 > 0:17:13Now new government guidelines are being released to help councils
0:17:13 > 0:17:14reduce the numbers further.
0:17:14 > 0:17:16They include better education, training for health professionals,
0:17:16 > 0:17:18making sure teenagers have access to contraceptives and ways
0:17:18 > 0:17:21of supporting vulnerable teens who are more likely to have children
0:17:21 > 0:17:24at a young age.
0:17:24 > 0:17:32Our reporter, Katie Alston, has been to meet teenage mums.
0:17:32 > 0:17:35You can't be immature, you can't be silly,
0:17:35 > 0:17:40think I have a child, I will go out getting drunk.
0:17:40 > 0:17:42Being a teenager could be quite a lonely time
0:17:42 > 0:17:44I wanted my own family.
0:17:44 > 0:17:47You can just hear people say she should not be a young mum
0:17:47 > 0:17:49if she cannot control her child.
0:17:49 > 0:17:52Being a parent is probably the loneliest place I have been,
0:17:52 > 0:17:54you don't want people to see you are struggling, get
0:17:54 > 0:18:02the impression you're a bad mum because you're struggling.
0:18:05 > 0:18:11Improved access to the right type of contraception,
0:18:11 > 0:18:16more sex education, and a freer approach to talking about sex.
0:18:16 > 0:18:21As well as teenagers socialising more online are some of the reasons
0:18:21 > 0:18:26cited for bringing down teenage pregnancy rates in the UK.
0:18:26 > 0:18:29But what is life like as a teenage parent, why do government
0:18:29 > 0:18:31want to bring numbers down further?
0:18:31 > 0:18:37Shannon was 14, and Ethan 17, when she fell pregnant
0:18:37 > 0:18:40with their son Harvey, who is now two.
0:18:40 > 0:18:42My mum found a pregnancy test in my drawer.
0:18:42 > 0:18:47She texted me. She was a bit angry.
0:18:47 > 0:18:55She asked me to come back. So I came back.
0:18:55 > 0:18:57She took a test with me and it was positive.
0:18:57 > 0:19:00She kind of said, what do you want to do?
0:19:00 > 0:19:06She spoke to me about everything.
0:19:06 > 0:19:08But it was kind of the thing, my mama was pregnant
0:19:08 > 0:19:10when she was 15, she had my mum.
0:19:10 > 0:19:12My mum has never had a job.
0:19:12 > 0:19:17I cried in sadness and happiness.
0:19:17 > 0:19:20I was worried and scared.
0:19:20 > 0:19:23We discussed it over a few days, I had time to myself working away.
0:19:23 > 0:19:28We had a chat over the phone.
0:19:28 > 0:19:31We decided we were going to go through with it.
0:19:31 > 0:19:33It was one of those things.
0:19:33 > 0:19:35I never really understood what happened to your body.
0:19:35 > 0:19:37It was pretty crazy going through growing pains,
0:19:37 > 0:19:40also going through pregnancy pains as well.
0:19:40 > 0:19:43As Shannon's due date grew closer, she started to feel
0:19:43 > 0:19:47pains in her stomach.
0:19:47 > 0:19:50She said hospital staff didn't listen to what she was telling them.
0:19:50 > 0:19:53We had a nurse. She was very rude to me.
0:19:53 > 0:19:56Dismissing me completely.
0:19:56 > 0:20:04I remember her saying to me, "You would not
0:20:07 > 0:20:09know what labour feels like, you are too young".
0:20:09 > 0:20:11I had a midwife's appointment on the Tuesday.
0:20:11 > 0:20:14I went to the hospital, but they sent me home.
0:20:14 > 0:20:15My stomach does not feel the same.
0:20:15 > 0:20:18She felt it, she ended up sending me back to hospital.
0:20:18 > 0:20:21I had a scan, it turned out I was right all along, my waters broke.
0:20:21 > 0:20:23I did not know they had.
0:20:23 > 0:20:26He had been in my stomach without water for about three days.
0:20:26 > 0:20:34When they saw that they had to induce me straightaway.
0:20:34 > 0:20:36What have been some of the most difficult things
0:20:36 > 0:20:41about being a young parent?
0:20:41 > 0:20:44I feel like being a parent is one of the loneliest places I have been.
0:20:44 > 0:20:46You lose a lot your friends.
0:20:46 > 0:20:49They don't want to focus on this little baby, they want to go out
0:20:49 > 0:20:50and do their own thing.
0:20:50 > 0:20:58I feel like it is one of the loneliest places,
0:20:59 > 0:21:00but no one prepares you that.
0:21:00 > 0:21:02How does it feel to be lonely?
0:21:02 > 0:21:04It is very difficult, you don't want people
0:21:04 > 0:21:06to see you are struggling.
0:21:06 > 0:21:09Get the impression you're a bad mum because you are struggling.
0:21:09 > 0:21:11They are things you keep in.
0:21:11 > 0:21:12You don't tell anyone.
0:21:12 > 0:21:17It's not as glamorous as people assume it is.
0:21:17 > 0:21:20And a lot of the time people just assume, because you see things
0:21:20 > 0:21:22on Facebook or social media, uploading pictures, smiling babies.
0:21:22 > 0:21:29I love my family, my life is perfect.
0:21:29 > 0:21:31You never really want to put on social media,
0:21:31 > 0:21:32I am really struggling.
0:21:32 > 0:21:35What kind of reaction have you had from strangers,
0:21:35 > 0:21:37people that don't know you?
0:21:37 > 0:21:40I remember one time I was with my friend,
0:21:40 > 0:21:44she also had a baby, we both had pushchairs.
0:21:44 > 0:21:47Someone said to us, "What are you doing
0:21:47 > 0:21:51with your little brother?
0:21:51 > 0:21:53Why are you taking your little brother out?"
0:21:53 > 0:21:55We said we are the mums.
0:21:55 > 0:21:57They said you are not, that is disgusting.
0:21:57 > 0:21:59How does that make you feel?
0:21:59 > 0:22:00Quite annoyed.
0:22:00 > 0:22:02It is not other people's business.
0:22:02 > 0:22:04They don't know the circumstances, how much success we have had,
0:22:04 > 0:22:07how much she has grown.
0:22:07 > 0:22:10They should not make comments about something
0:22:10 > 0:22:12they don't know nothing about.
0:22:12 > 0:22:20We don't go around commenting about anyone else's life.
0:22:25 > 0:22:28Rates of teenage pregnancy are at the lowest level
0:22:28 > 0:22:33since records began in the 1960s.
0:22:33 > 0:22:36Latest figures show over the last 15 years there has been
0:22:36 > 0:22:39a 55% drop in the number of under 18s conceiving.
0:22:39 > 0:22:41There has been no government guidance on preventing teen
0:22:41 > 0:22:43pregnancy since 2010.
0:22:43 > 0:22:47Now councils across England have asked for definitive sets
0:22:47 > 0:22:50of guidelines about how to continue the downward trend.
0:22:50 > 0:22:57Alison Hadley is teenage pregnancy adviser to Public Health England.
0:22:57 > 0:23:03It's about making sure they maximise the assets in their area.
0:23:03 > 0:23:05There is not a lot of money around anymore.
0:23:05 > 0:23:07You have to make sure everybody contributes to the solution.
0:23:07 > 0:23:10It has to be what we call a whole systems approach.
0:23:10 > 0:23:11Everybody has to make a contribution.
0:23:11 > 0:23:15So you would start with improving the sex and relationships
0:23:15 > 0:23:18education in schools, primary school and secondary school
0:23:18 > 0:23:21so that all children in the area get good knowledge and confidence,
0:23:21 > 0:23:27and know about healthy relationships, consent,
0:23:27 > 0:23:29and where to ask for advice when they start
0:23:29 > 0:23:30a sexual relationship.
0:23:30 > 0:23:32Young people should not be facing unplanned pregnancy,
0:23:32 > 0:23:34we know what we can do to reduce that.
0:23:34 > 0:23:36So everybody is having conversations early about healthy relationships,
0:23:36 > 0:23:41helping young people to delay sex until they're ready.
0:23:41 > 0:23:43About making choices about contraception,
0:23:43 > 0:23:47sexual health, so they can check himself well.
0:23:47 > 0:23:48Talking about parenting.
0:23:48 > 0:23:51That will equip young people to have the confidence to make
0:23:51 > 0:23:58the right choices for them.
0:23:58 > 0:24:03Nationally 0.9% of births in 2015 to 2016 were to teenagers.
0:24:03 > 0:24:06So what support services are available to the 5,500 young mothers
0:24:06 > 0:24:14giving birth each year?
0:24:21 > 0:24:23At this children's centre parents are offered
0:24:23 > 0:24:24everything from cooking classes to play sessions.
0:24:24 > 0:24:27For all the parents it is useful to have support from others,
0:24:27 > 0:24:29you can talk to each other.
0:24:29 > 0:24:31You can find out what else is going on.
0:24:31 > 0:24:33So it's that extra avenue for them to get information.
0:24:33 > 0:24:36What else is going on out there.
0:24:36 > 0:24:41It's a way we can support them on that individual basis.
0:24:41 > 0:24:44Help them transition into everything else going on out
0:24:44 > 0:24:46in the big wide world.
0:24:46 > 0:24:49The services at the centre have helped to build the confidence
0:24:49 > 0:24:53of these young parents.
0:24:53 > 0:24:56What kind of support did you get when you found out
0:24:56 > 0:24:58you were pregnant at 17?
0:24:58 > 0:25:02I didn't want to get any support when I first found out.
0:25:02 > 0:25:04The doctors left me to it.
0:25:04 > 0:25:07The midwife was not the best with your wife you could ask for,
0:25:07 > 0:25:14I could not get hold of her.
0:25:14 > 0:25:16I did not need the centre until Leo was six-months-old.
0:25:16 > 0:25:19I just had my partner, my mum, his family as well.
0:25:19 > 0:25:25So that was kind of the support.
0:25:25 > 0:25:28Well, when Luca was born, I was invited to a postnatal
0:25:28 > 0:25:32group at my local centre.
0:25:32 > 0:25:39So from there, I met other mums.
0:25:39 > 0:25:41And kind of like staff at the children's centre.
0:25:41 > 0:25:45That gave me quite a lot of support in the beginning.
0:25:45 > 0:25:52It was like a six-week postnatal course, where they take
0:25:52 > 0:25:55you through a lot of kind of things that you might not know
0:25:55 > 0:25:57what you're doing.
0:25:57 > 0:26:01And you know they always there if you need to ask them anything.
0:26:01 > 0:26:03From there, because I was introduced to the children's
0:26:03 > 0:26:04centre in that way.
0:26:04 > 0:26:09I sort of started going to all the baby groups
0:26:09 > 0:26:10and stuff they had on there.
0:26:10 > 0:26:13Do you think people judge you and make assumptions
0:26:13 > 0:26:14about you being a young parent?
0:26:14 > 0:26:18You can hear people saying she should not be a young mum
0:26:18 > 0:26:19if she can't control her child.
0:26:19 > 0:26:24Stuff like that.
0:26:24 > 0:26:26I used to get dirty looks and stuff like that.
0:26:26 > 0:26:28How does that make you feel?
0:26:28 > 0:26:29It made me more...
0:26:29 > 0:26:30I don't know the word.
0:26:30 > 0:26:36It made be more adamant to be a good mum.
0:26:36 > 0:26:44To push myself.
0:26:47 > 0:26:51If people say bad things and judges, you know you are good mum,
0:26:51 > 0:26:53it makes you want to be in even better mum.
0:26:53 > 0:26:54And prove people wrong.
0:26:54 > 0:26:57What has been some of the most difficult things about
0:26:57 > 0:26:58being a young parent?
0:26:58 > 0:27:00My friends that I had back then aren't my friends.
0:27:00 > 0:27:03They're just people I used to go and get drunk with.
0:27:03 > 0:27:09Be silly.
0:27:09 > 0:27:11As they found out I was pregnant with Leo,
0:27:11 > 0:27:15they don't want to talk to you.
0:27:15 > 0:27:18They have met him twice and he is two.
0:27:18 > 0:27:25It makess you feel grown-up, more grown-up, want to be mature.
0:27:26 > 0:27:28I've got to sort myself out.
0:27:28 > 0:27:30You cannot be immature, you cannot be silly.
0:27:30 > 0:27:34You cannot think, no, I have a child, I will go
0:27:34 > 0:27:38about getting drunk.
0:27:38 > 0:27:43I think it has made my priority stronger.
0:27:43 > 0:27:48To aspire to be a good person, a good role model and
0:27:48 > 0:27:52do something to make them proud.
0:27:52 > 0:27:58Despite teen pregnancy rates falling, the UK still has one
0:27:58 > 0:28:00of the highest shares of births to teenage mothers
0:28:00 > 0:28:01in Western Europe.
0:28:01 > 0:28:04Almost five times higher than in Switzerland and Italy.
0:28:04 > 0:28:09So what are they doing differently in Europe?
0:28:09 > 0:28:15They have a much more open and unembarrassed approach to sexual
0:28:15 > 0:28:18They have a much more open and unembarrassed approach to sex
0:28:18 > 0:28:22and relationships education.
0:28:22 > 0:28:24There isn't the same embarrassment and stigma about asking for advice.
0:28:24 > 0:28:27Many of those countries expect young people will start
0:28:27 > 0:28:32sexual relationships, and it is the country's
0:28:32 > 0:28:34duty and a parent's duty to equip those people
0:28:34 > 0:28:39do have information to look after themselves.
0:28:39 > 0:28:41So there isn't that kind of embarrassment and stigma
0:28:41 > 0:28:44that is very inhibiting for young people, around asking
0:28:44 > 0:28:45for advice early.
0:28:45 > 0:28:47I think we are getting much better at that.
0:28:47 > 0:28:49Is that why the rates are coming down?
0:28:49 > 0:28:52It is certainly part of it, having better sex education,
0:28:52 > 0:28:53making services much more friendly.
0:28:53 > 0:28:56Having parents talk more.
0:28:56 > 0:28:59Having youth workers and social workers talking more about issues.
0:28:59 > 0:29:05Part of making it much easier for young people to talk.
0:29:06 > 0:29:09What kind of things do you think that they could be
0:29:09 > 0:29:11doing to bring down rates of teenage pregnancy?
0:29:11 > 0:29:13I think it needs to be spoken about more.
0:29:13 > 0:29:15People really have the assumption when you have a baby,
0:29:15 > 0:29:17it is a newborn cuddle.
0:29:17 > 0:29:20It is really not as easy as that.
0:29:20 > 0:29:26And also talk more about contraception.
0:29:26 > 0:29:30Normalise it a bit more, but obviously you're going to have
0:29:30 > 0:29:34sex and ways to stop getting pregnant.
0:29:34 > 0:29:36And just speak about it a lot more.
0:29:36 > 0:29:39Before I had Harvey, I did not really know
0:29:39 > 0:29:40where my life was going.
0:29:40 > 0:29:42I did not have so much purpose.
0:29:42 > 0:29:46He has helped me a lot.
0:29:46 > 0:29:49To know where I want to go, what I want to be,
0:29:49 > 0:29:56what I want out of life.
0:30:02 > 0:30:06If you gave birth as a teenager, I am really keen to hear your
0:30:06 > 0:30:07thoughts this morning.
0:30:07 > 0:30:12Caroline says, "How are guidelines going to cut teenage pregnancy
0:30:12 > 0:30:16figures? Many look at their future and don't see much hope and go out
0:30:16 > 0:30:20and end up pregnant and get more money and benefits and a house too."
0:30:20 > 0:30:25If you gave birth as a teenager, tell us how it has been for you
0:30:25 > 0:30:30since then. Also let me bring you this message as well on the same
0:30:30 > 0:30:35subject.
0:30:35 > 0:30:40Years ago, they got mothers to talk to 14 and 15-year-olds about what
0:30:40 > 0:30:44motherhood is about, just do that again. That is happening and we will
0:30:44 > 0:30:49talk to some Youngs and parents -- some young parents who go into
0:30:49 > 0:30:53schools to talk to people about the reality.
0:30:53 > 0:30:54Still to come:
0:30:54 > 0:30:58The Government is being urged to drop its target of reducing net
0:30:58 > 0:31:02migration to the "tens of thousands".
0:31:02 > 0:31:07Instead, to find areas that the public can agree on. Three people
0:31:07 > 0:31:10with different views will see if they can find consensus and your
0:31:10 > 0:31:13views are also welcome.
0:31:13 > 0:31:15Women and girls are being asked to share their experiences
0:31:15 > 0:31:17of being sexually harassed in public places.
0:31:17 > 0:31:20MPs on the Women and Equalities Committee are starting
0:31:20 > 0:31:21an investigation to find out how widespread such incidents
0:31:21 > 0:31:24are and establish what can be done to tackle the problem.
0:31:24 > 0:31:27If you have experienced this yourself, do get in touch in the
0:31:27 > 0:31:31usual ways. Good morning.
0:31:31 > 0:31:32Time for the latest news.
0:31:32 > 0:31:33Here's Annita.
0:31:33 > 0:31:34The BBC News headlines this morning:
0:31:34 > 0:31:37One of Britain's biggest construction firms, and a main
0:31:37 > 0:31:38contractor on government building projects, Carillion,
0:31:38 > 0:31:40has been put into liquidation.
0:31:40 > 0:31:4420,000 workers are now facing an uncertain future.
0:31:44 > 0:31:47The company is involved in major projects such as HS2 and Crossrail,
0:31:47 > 0:31:54but has debts of £900 million.
0:31:54 > 0:31:56And earlier on this prgramme, the RMT union has also
0:31:56 > 0:32:03attacked the actions of the company's directors.
0:32:03 > 0:32:07It is an absolute scandal that these people will just be able to walk
0:32:07 > 0:32:10away from the wreckage of this company while ordinary working
0:32:10 > 0:32:13people will be scrabbling around for work with no idea what the future
0:32:13 > 0:32:18brings for their pensions and their families. It is disgusting, frankly.
0:32:18 > 0:32:26The callousness of these directors and modern capitalism is an outrage!
0:32:26 > 0:32:29Ukip leader Henry Bolton has told the BBC he is no longer romantically
0:32:29 > 0:32:31involved with his former girlfriend Jo Marney, following the controversy
0:32:31 > 0:32:33over her racist text messages.
0:32:33 > 0:32:35Mr Bolton says he won't resign as party leader, despite calls
0:32:35 > 0:32:37from within Ukip to go.
0:32:37 > 0:32:40Ms Marney has apologised for the texts - which centred
0:32:40 > 0:32:43around derogatory comments about Prince Harry's fiancee,
0:32:43 > 0:32:47Meghan Markle - but claims they were taken out of context.
0:32:47 > 0:32:50The Palestinian President, Mahmoud Abbas, has said he will not
0:32:50 > 0:32:53accept any Middle East peace plane brokered by the US,
0:32:53 > 0:32:54following Donald Trump's move to recognise Jerusalem
0:32:54 > 0:32:58as Israel's capital.
0:32:58 > 0:33:00In a speech, Mr Abbas described the move as the "slap
0:33:00 > 0:33:01of the century" for Palestinians.
0:33:01 > 0:33:04President Trump has threatened to cut aid if the Palestinians
0:33:04 > 0:33:08reject peace talks.
0:33:08 > 0:33:11Meanwhile, Donald Trump has publicly denied being a racist as a row
0:33:11 > 0:33:13continues over offensive language he allegedly used to describe
0:33:13 > 0:33:17African, Central American and Caribbean countries.
0:33:17 > 0:33:20The comments were reported to have been made during a meeting with US
0:33:20 > 0:33:21senators on immigration at the White House.
0:33:21 > 0:33:23In his first direct response to accusations of racism,
0:33:23 > 0:33:26Donald Trump told reporters he had not made the comments.
0:33:32 > 0:33:35And he claimed he was the least racist person they had ever
0:33:35 > 0:33:36interviewed.
0:33:36 > 0:33:39Police in East Yorkshire believe they've found the body of a man,
0:33:39 > 0:33:41suspected of using a crossbow to kill his neighbour.
0:33:41 > 0:33:43Officers in Humberside began searching for 56-year-old
0:33:43 > 0:33:46Anthony Lawrence, following the death of Shane Gilmer on Friday.
0:33:46 > 0:33:50His pregnant girlfriend, Laura Sugden, was also seriously
0:33:50 > 0:33:52wounded in the attack.
0:33:52 > 0:33:55Virgin Trains is to reverse its decision to ban
0:33:55 > 0:33:57sales of the Daily Mail on its West Coast services.
0:33:57 > 0:34:00Sir Richard Branson said he and Sir Brian Souter -
0:34:00 > 0:34:03who's a part-owner of the company - had asked managers to reconsider,
0:34:03 > 0:34:05saying that tolerance for differing views were the core principles
0:34:05 > 0:34:11of a free society.
0:34:11 > 0:34:15That's a summary of the latest BBC News.
0:34:15 > 0:34:22Thank you. These comments are about Carillion, which has gone into
0:34:22 > 0:34:26liquidation this morning. Garrett says, time to stop outsourcing
0:34:26 > 0:34:31contracts. Carillion is a construction and outsourcing
0:34:31 > 0:34:35companies. The only winners are the shareholders, the Government should
0:34:35 > 0:34:38not bail them out, take on the contracts themselves. This says,
0:34:38 > 0:34:43since we are going to pay for its pension deficit, debt and the
0:34:43 > 0:34:47contracts already agreed, this is a solution, nationalise it. Without
0:34:47 > 0:34:50conversation to shareholders or the predatory banks, and prosecute the
0:34:50 > 0:34:53Board of Directors for broad. The writing on the wall has been long
0:34:53 > 0:34:58enough on the wall for the Government to be aware, but once
0:34:58 > 0:35:00again, we will have to pay for the fat cats.
0:35:00 > 0:35:04Here's some sport now, with Hugh.
0:35:04 > 0:35:07Good morning, former West Bromwich Albion and commentary striker
0:35:07 > 0:35:12Cyrille Regis has passed away at 59 due to a suspected heart attack.
0:35:12 > 0:35:17Regis made a part of the trio dubbed the three degrees, scoring 112 goals
0:35:17 > 0:35:20in his time at the Hawthorns. The former England captain Rio Ferdinand
0:35:20 > 0:35:25said he helped set the foundation for other ethnic minority players.
0:35:25 > 0:35:28Rain gigs will be named as the new manager of Wales this afternoon,
0:35:28 > 0:35:33replacing Chris Coleman. In his first full-time job as Management.
0:35:33 > 0:35:39He took charge Manchester United for four games in 20 14 after David
0:35:39 > 0:35:42Moyes was sacked. Manchester City had been beaten for the first time
0:35:42 > 0:35:47in the Premier League this season, losing 4-3 at Liverpool. City boss
0:35:47 > 0:35:51Pep Guardiola said they have learnt good lessons and they are still 15
0:35:51 > 0:35:55points clear at the top of the table. Kyle Edmund has enjoyed the
0:35:55 > 0:36:00biggest win of his career, beating 11 seed Kevin Anderson in the
0:36:00 > 0:36:05Australian Open at Melbourne. He will face Dennis is to me next. That
0:36:05 > 0:36:08is all sport for now, we will be back just after ten o'clock. Thank
0:36:08 > 0:36:10you.
0:36:10 > 0:36:13The Government is being urged to drop its target of reducing net
0:36:13 > 0:36:15migration to the "tens of thousands" because it "undermines" trust
0:36:15 > 0:36:17in the state's ability to control immigration.
0:36:17 > 0:36:20Net migration is the difference in number of people coming to live
0:36:20 > 0:36:22in the UK and those leaving the UK.
0:36:22 > 0:36:24The Government has pledged for years the number
0:36:24 > 0:36:26should be below 100,000, but the Home Affairs Select
0:36:26 > 0:36:28Committee says having a target like this which,
0:36:28 > 0:36:30by the way, has never been achieved, undermines people's trust
0:36:30 > 0:36:38in the state's ability to control immigration.
0:36:42 > 0:36:44They're calling on the Government to try and find consensus
0:36:44 > 0:36:45amongst the British public.
0:36:45 > 0:36:48But how do you find public agreement on an issue which divide people?
0:36:48 > 0:36:51Here, we have three people with very different views, to try and see
0:36:51 > 0:36:59if they can find agreement.
0:36:59 > 0:37:03Luke Muskett.
0:37:03 > 0:37:06He is a former Ukip voter.
0:37:06 > 0:37:08Kajal Sanghrajka is the founder of Growth Hub, which helps
0:37:08 > 0:37:10companies expand to the US, is currently researching how
0:37:10 > 0:37:12cities attract immigrant entrepreneurs, and her father
0:37:12 > 0:37:13was a Ugandan immigrant.
0:37:13 > 0:37:15And Sam Nanji is an IT business owner, Ugandan
0:37:15 > 0:37:17refugee and immigrant, and who believes in controlled
0:37:17 > 0:37:18immigration, with compassion.
0:37:18 > 0:37:21Welcome, thank you. This is your chance to set up a post-Brexit
0:37:21 > 0:37:27immigration system. I want to try and find areas where you agree.
0:37:27 > 0:37:34Should the Government dumped the target?Yes.Yes.Yes. That is a
0:37:34 > 0:37:42good start! Why?They have never achieved a target. I think it has
0:37:42 > 0:37:46been arbitrarily set. Without really looking at the needs of business and
0:37:46 > 0:37:53individuals involved. And having a target picked out of thin air, which
0:37:53 > 0:37:55we will never achieve, really does undermine confidence from the
0:37:55 > 0:38:00general public.Why should the target to be dropped?It is a very
0:38:00 > 0:38:03crude way of looking at immigration and different immigrants have
0:38:03 > 0:38:07different skill sets that we need to look at. The majority of the British
0:38:07 > 0:38:12public have a balanced view on this and we need to look at this on a
0:38:12 > 0:38:16broader level without a crude number.Yes, this does not make
0:38:16 > 0:38:20sense. It is common sense, you want have the best people in so why have
0:38:20 > 0:38:28a limited set target of 100,000? It does not make sense.Stupid. Stupid,
0:38:28 > 0:38:35OK! So the latest figures show net immigration, net migration fell to
0:38:35 > 0:38:39230,000 in the year ending June 2017, that is down from a high of
0:38:39 > 0:38:45330 6,000. Is that about right, 230,000? Is that still too many, too
0:38:45 > 0:38:52few?I am not sure really. It depends. There needs to be a big
0:38:52 > 0:38:56conversation about what people want, what is an acceptable number of
0:38:56 > 0:39:00everyday people. But generally, I think you need the best people. If
0:39:00 > 0:39:03there is a shortage of skills, I think most people think we should
0:39:03 > 0:39:09get the best people from around the world.How do you do that? That
0:39:09 > 0:39:12seems to have alluded politicians for a while.Have a points-based
0:39:12 > 0:39:18system. We have got that. But extend it to Europe. At the moment, you
0:39:18 > 0:39:22have a system where you have free movement of people from the EU so in
0:39:22 > 0:39:27order to get the numbers down, they have to try and be punitive and the
0:39:27 > 0:39:33rest of the world. It is not make any sense. Why have thousands and
0:39:33 > 0:39:36thousands of unschooled workers when you have people out of work, young
0:39:36 > 0:39:45people, the highest percentage demographic, it makes no sense.We
0:39:45 > 0:39:49have a point space system from people outside the EU and four
0:39:49 > 0:39:53years, not the most recent figures, but for years, those numbers were
0:39:53 > 0:39:58higher than EU migrants. Luke says a point space system for the whole
0:39:58 > 0:40:06world.Yes. I think the think you have hit on the head is where we
0:40:06 > 0:40:09could control immigration outside the EU, the numbers were going up.
0:40:09 > 0:40:15EU was Home Secretary at the time. And David Cameron was setting these
0:40:15 > 0:40:19arbitrary figures for immigration. So are you saying a point space
0:40:19 > 0:40:25system does not work?We need to get away. We fixated on the numbers of
0:40:25 > 0:40:30people coming in and out. We should get rid of that motion and say it
0:40:30 > 0:40:34should be based on our needs. If we need fewer people because we have
0:40:34 > 0:40:40got the skills in the country, that is fine. If we need some of these
0:40:40 > 0:40:44smart people with their skills, to come into the country because we
0:40:44 > 0:40:49have a need, we should get them in. And at the same time, there low paid
0:40:49 > 0:40:54skilled jobs that people in the UK just don't want to do. Look at
0:40:54 > 0:41:00agriculture. Do you really want to be picking strawberries on a cold
0:41:00 > 0:41:04day? Some people don't want to do those jobs. So I think it has to be
0:41:04 > 0:41:11a balance based on our need.Kajal, if it was based on what we needed,
0:41:11 > 0:41:15how would you design that system? Would you do it sector by sector?
0:41:15 > 0:41:20IT, how many do we need? Agriculture, hospitality, and so on?
0:41:20 > 0:41:26I think we have to get across that this is not a zero-sum game, there
0:41:26 > 0:41:30is a trust issue with this. The point space system is a good
0:41:30 > 0:41:35starting point because the spirit of that is that. What people want is
0:41:35 > 0:41:39something that is fair and transparent. In terms of whether it
0:41:39 > 0:41:45is divided by sector we look at Lobe blush local regional policy, the
0:41:45 > 0:41:51local impact is massive and you feel that on a daily basis. -- if we look
0:41:51 > 0:41:58at the local regional policy. So I think there needs to be a real
0:41:58 > 0:42:01conversation between all the different stakeholders involved and
0:42:01 > 0:42:05that is not what has happened so far. Until the report that came out
0:42:05 > 0:42:09today from the national conversation on immigration, which I was
0:42:09 > 0:42:16encouraged by because the British public do have a balanced view. They
0:42:16 > 0:42:20think it is... They have concerns about pressure on housing, which we
0:42:20 > 0:42:24need to address.The British public when you look at polling evidence
0:42:24 > 0:42:28suggests if people are coming to Britain for a definite job, that is
0:42:28 > 0:42:34totally different from someone coming looking for work.Yes, it
0:42:34 > 0:42:38makes sense. It is just common sense really. What you said about the
0:42:38 > 0:42:42points based system that for years, the rest of the world, more
0:42:42 > 0:42:46immigration has been coming from the rest of the world, you would expect
0:42:46 > 0:42:50that because the rest of the world is a much larger demographic of the
0:42:50 > 0:42:54Earth!The point is if the Government wanted to achieve that
0:42:54 > 0:42:59target, any government, it could make the points system more
0:42:59 > 0:43:04difficult and reduce the numbers. 200,000. You would expect there
0:43:04 > 0:43:11would be some reduction if there was a points-based system because free
0:43:11 > 0:43:13movement, anyone can come in.The number includes international
0:43:13 > 0:43:21students. Most people agree that that should not be part of the
0:43:21 > 0:43:25immigration statistics. So if we take that out, the number is far
0:43:25 > 0:43:30lower. This is why just having this crude number does not make sense.
0:43:30 > 0:43:34There are nuances which people do not understand.This is where we are
0:43:34 > 0:43:40up to after eight minutes. Get rid of the target, we have a fair and
0:43:40 > 0:43:44transparent system. It is based on need. Do you agree about the points
0:43:44 > 0:43:51system?What Rick said which was interesting, it is common sense. The
0:43:51 > 0:43:55problem is, common sense is not that common, especially in the UK
0:43:55 > 0:43:59Government. And it was interesting when David Davis was being
0:43:59 > 0:44:05questioned by one of the Select Committee. Brexit Secretary. He was
0:44:05 > 0:44:07asked, have you done a sector by sector analysis on the impact of
0:44:07 > 0:44:15Brexit? And a sector by sector basis. I was gobsmacked when he
0:44:15 > 0:44:21admitted that they had not. So how can you assess the needs on a sector
0:44:21 > 0:44:25by sector basis? You can, if you want to.Yes, but they chose not to.
0:44:25 > 0:44:32A press conference later from Scotland to talk about the effect of
0:44:32 > 0:44:36Brexit on their economy and we will bring that live at half past ten.
0:44:36 > 0:44:40Finally and briefly, I want to rescue about the Ukip leader Henry
0:44:40 > 0:44:43Bolton separating from his girlfriend because of her racist
0:44:43 > 0:44:47views, although he said on the radio this morning she is devastated and
0:44:47 > 0:44:51the comments were taken out of context and they are not her views.
0:44:51 > 0:45:00Should he resign?Who cares? I used to support Ukip. Mainly for the EU.
0:45:00 > 0:45:05They are just so irrelevant. Why is this the top story, while we
0:45:05 > 0:45:10discussing this? They got 1%, 2% of the vote last time. Nigel Farage and
0:45:10 > 0:45:15everyone, as much as what he has done for voting, they just need to
0:45:15 > 0:45:20be quiet now.
0:45:22 > 0:45:29I need a libertarian party.I I don't think he should resign. Let's
0:45:29 > 0:45:35see how he handles it, that's going to be the test.Briefly.I am amazed
0:45:35 > 0:45:39that she says that it was taken out of context. I would love someone to
0:45:39 > 0:45:43actually go to her and say, "OK, give us the context. What was the
0:45:43 > 0:45:48context around which you said this." And I think the other thing is,
0:45:48 > 0:45:53nothing is private anymore. If you send a text message, and you know,
0:45:53 > 0:45:57you are saying things that are not very nice, it is going to end up on
0:45:57 > 0:46:01the media and I think it is good that he has distanced himself from
0:46:01 > 0:46:05these comments, but I think he should go further and she should be
0:46:05 > 0:46:08questioned around context.Thank you all. Thank you very much for coming
0:46:08 > 0:46:10on the programme. Thank you.
0:46:10 > 0:46:12Coming up:
0:46:12 > 0:46:19A hard Brexit could cut Scotland's economy by more
0:46:19 > 0:46:27than £12 billion per year, that's according to a new report.
0:46:27 > 0:46:32I have got messages about having a baby when you were a teenager. This
0:46:32 > 0:46:37texter says, "Hello, I had my oldest son the day after my 18th birthday.
0:46:37 > 0:46:43I'm now 45. And I am a specialist community public health nurse. I
0:46:43 > 0:46:47feel that teenage mums can achieve after having children, but they need
0:46:47 > 0:46:51support to be able to do this. Education is key and learning that
0:46:51 > 0:46:57your goal is to give your child the best life possible. Education makes
0:46:57 > 0:47:01all the difference, giving you the power to make changes to improve
0:47:01 > 0:47:05your life." This from Jodie, "I had my daughter when I was 17 years of
0:47:05 > 0:47:09age and I found the hardest thing about it was constantly being judged
0:47:09 > 0:47:15because of my age. I worked hard and I provided for my daughter like any
0:47:15 > 0:47:19other parent, yet people still looked down on me. At one point I
0:47:19 > 0:47:23took my daughter's dad to court for full custody. Even though I was
0:47:23 > 0:47:27there protecting my daughter like any good mother, would the court
0:47:27 > 0:47:32referred to us as babies having babies. I cannot do normal
0:47:32 > 0:47:35day-to-day things that any other parent does without being judged
0:47:35 > 0:47:39simply because of my age. Despite the fact that I am behaving no
0:47:39 > 0:47:44differently than any older mother would. My only wish is that people
0:47:44 > 0:47:48would stop judging us and putting us under the same stereotype." Thank
0:47:48 > 0:47:51you, Jodie.
0:47:51 > 0:47:54Women and girls are being asked to share their experiences of being
0:47:54 > 0:47:56sexually harassment in public.
0:47:56 > 0:47:58MPs on the Women and Equalities Committee are launching
0:47:58 > 0:48:00an investigation to see how widespread such incidents are
0:48:00 > 0:48:03and the impact of such incidents - something we've discussed a number
0:48:03 > 0:48:06of times on the programme before.
0:48:06 > 0:48:12We are going to talk about sexual harassment in Hollywood, in banks,
0:48:12 > 0:48:16in hospitals, in the Armed Forces, in restaurants, in journalism, in
0:48:16 > 0:48:18your place of work.
0:48:18 > 0:48:21I used to have to walk to work, quite a long way.
0:48:21 > 0:48:26I would regularly get followed home.
0:48:26 > 0:48:28I would be constantly harassed by certain men.
0:48:28 > 0:48:31I was quite a feisty person when I was younger.
0:48:31 > 0:48:39More so then I am now, I would say.
0:48:45 > 0:48:48I would be like no, no, I would play every single card.
0:48:48 > 0:48:50Nice but no thank you.
0:48:50 > 0:48:52Can you just back off, I am not interested,
0:48:52 > 0:48:55I'm going to call the police, get off my case.
0:48:55 > 0:48:57Let's talk now to Emma Lyskava, who is a 28-year-old social media
0:48:57 > 0:48:59manager from Manchester, who has been publically
0:48:59 > 0:49:00harassed multiple times.
0:49:00 > 0:49:02Sarah Green, the co-director of End Violence Against Women,
0:49:02 > 0:49:04a charity who did research into public harassment.
0:49:04 > 0:49:05Molly Ackhurst is from the HollaBack project,
0:49:05 > 0:49:09which raises awareness of harassment against women.
0:49:09 > 0:49:13Thank you very much for coming on the programme. Emma, you have had
0:49:13 > 0:49:16multiple experience of this and being called vile things in public.
0:49:16 > 0:49:23Tell our audience what has happened to you.So, it has been where I have
0:49:23 > 0:49:28been walking home from university, walking home from work, people have
0:49:28 > 0:49:33shouted things from cars, driving past, I have been followed home
0:49:33 > 0:49:38through parks, 4pm in the afternoon, broad daylight, there is a random
0:49:38 > 0:49:42man following me home and just won't leave me alone.Tell me how you
0:49:42 > 0:49:46think an inquiry which has been launched by this committee of MPs
0:49:46 > 0:49:51might change that kind of behaviour? I think it shows that it has been
0:49:51 > 0:49:54taken certificate are yously, you know, we kind of brush it off and
0:49:54 > 0:49:58think you know, it is normal, it happens to every woman or girl, but
0:49:58 > 0:50:01it's not normal, you know, we shouldn't accept it as something
0:50:01 > 0:50:07that just happens to everybody. It kind of gives people the confidence
0:50:07 > 0:50:12to report these kind of things. Take it seriously and there are
0:50:12 > 0:50:16consequence to say people's actions. Sarah, how widespread is it that
0:50:16 > 0:50:21women and girls are harassed in public?Well, the survey we did last
0:50:21 > 0:50:25year found that around 85% of younger women have experienced
0:50:25 > 0:50:30sexual harassment so what we called unwanted sexual attention in our
0:50:30 > 0:50:33survey and half of them had experienced unwanted sexual touching
0:50:33 > 0:50:38which is stuff that would sometimes amount to sexual assault and that's
0:50:38 > 0:50:42of younger women and it is around two-thirds for women across the
0:50:42 > 0:50:45population, so it is extremely common behaviour. High rev lance
0:50:45 > 0:50:49rates and it is the most common form of abuse that women experience. We
0:50:49 > 0:50:54asked them would you liked somebody to have done something and 10% said
0:50:54 > 0:50:57someone did, 80% said they would have liked if someone else stepped
0:50:57 > 0:51:00in. We have got a parallel conversation here about the
0:51:00 > 0:51:03responsibility of all of us who are in public space and when we get
0:51:03 > 0:51:07involved and when we do something and how we do that.Molly, I know
0:51:07 > 0:51:13you're pleased that this inquiry is happening, because shedding light on
0:51:13 > 0:51:19harassment is a good thing, but how does it change people's behaviour.
0:51:19 > 0:51:24That's we are happy that the inquiry is happening. When talking about the
0:51:24 > 0:51:27importance of shifts in behaviour and shift in attitudes, I think we
0:51:27 > 0:51:30are hopeful that this inquiry will do that, but there is so much more
0:51:30 > 0:51:35that needs to be done. We see this with the sexual harassment in
0:51:35 > 0:51:37schools inquiry where the Government have implemented few of the
0:51:37 > 0:51:40suggestions and recommendations and there is only so far that laws can
0:51:40 > 0:51:45go. Whilst this inquiry may encourage more survivors of
0:51:45 > 0:51:50harassment and other forms of abuse to speak out, we really need it
0:51:50 > 0:51:52start challenging perpetrator behaviour and we hope that this
0:51:52 > 0:51:56inquiry will do that, but there is so much that needs to be done. I
0:51:56 > 0:52:01think Sarah is mentioned the importance of bystanders and
0:52:01 > 0:52:05bystander intervention is a vital kind of thing that needs to be
0:52:05 > 0:52:09happening across workplaces and schools, and I'm just not sure how
0:52:09 > 0:52:14far an inquiry will go to push for that.Yes. Well, that's up to
0:52:14 > 0:52:17individuals, bystander intervention is up to an individual seeing
0:52:17 > 0:52:20something happening and calling it out there and then which is hard
0:52:20 > 0:52:23sometimes to do. It depends on the nature of your personality and the
0:52:23 > 0:52:27circumstances and all that stuff. But if any of our audience have
0:52:27 > 0:52:32intervened when they have seen somebody being sexually harassed, I
0:52:32 > 0:52:38would love to hear from you, it ticks over why your brain, shall I
0:52:38 > 0:52:44say something? I want to ask you about the American actor who won a
0:52:44 > 0:52:52big award and at that award ceremony won a Time's Up pin. He has been
0:52:52 > 0:52:56accused of sexual assault after a magazine published a detailed
0:52:56 > 0:53:01account from a woman who had a date with him. She said it was the worst
0:53:01 > 0:53:05night of her life. He said he thought the whole evening was
0:53:05 > 0:53:11consensual. What do you think of her account and what do you think about
0:53:11 > 0:53:15men who potentially ignore or misread signals that you don't want
0:53:15 > 0:53:20to have sex with them?I think it's really important when we speak about
0:53:20 > 0:53:25kind of survivors speaking the truth that we move away from kind of
0:53:25 > 0:53:28talking about perpetrators, misreading situations, it is when we
0:53:28 > 0:53:32go back to sexual harassment it is like when men say, "It is just a
0:53:32 > 0:53:36compliment." It is never a compliment, it is never misreading,
0:53:36 > 0:53:40it is clear when someone is saying yes and saying no, physically and
0:53:40 > 0:53:43verbally.Not according to him?I don't believe that he's telling the
0:53:43 > 0:53:48truth.We need to get a standard, don't we, for sexual conduct which
0:53:48 > 0:53:53maybe we can in particular for sexual activity we can talk about
0:53:53 > 0:53:59enthusiastic consent. What kind of guy wants to go ahead and wants to
0:53:59 > 0:54:07carry on all the euphemisms, what kind of guy, when she is being
0:54:07 > 0:54:11ambivalent and she is trying to hold you back, what kind of guy are you?
0:54:11 > 0:54:18What would you say in sal for, Emma? I think it is worse because he has
0:54:18 > 0:54:25forged a career saying he is this feminist and he turns around and he
0:54:25 > 0:54:31is just like these other guys that do sexually harass and assault women
0:54:31 > 0:54:36when they say they are a feminist and you know can read the signals
0:54:36 > 0:54:41when in the article it says that she didn't want to be forced...He
0:54:41 > 0:54:46denies it. He said it was completely consensual. Thank you very much for
0:54:46 > 0:54:50coming on the programme. I appreciate it. If you have
0:54:50 > 0:54:53intervened when you have seen someone, if you have seen someone
0:54:53 > 0:54:58being touched and it was clear they didn't want to be or being sexually
0:54:58 > 0:55:02harassed or, you know, verbal, horrible verbal names, do let me
0:55:02 > 0:55:05know.
0:55:05 > 0:55:10Virgin Trains has announced it's going to reverse its decision to ban
0:55:10 > 0:55:12sales of the Daily Mail on its West Coast services.
0:55:12 > 0:55:16Sir Richard Branson said he and Sir Brian Souter,
0:55:16 > 0:55:18who is a part-owner of the company, had asked managers to reconsider,
0:55:18 > 0:55:21saying that tolerance for differing views were the core principles
0:55:21 > 0:55:22of a free society.
0:55:22 > 0:55:24Virgin had previously said staff her expressed concern
0:55:24 > 0:55:26about the papers position on issues such as immigration,
0:55:26 > 0:55:28LGBT rights and unemployment.
0:55:28 > 0:55:30We can get reaction now from Observer columnist Nick Cohen
0:55:30 > 0:55:37who says banning a newspaper is an attack on free speech.
0:55:37 > 0:55:41Hi, there Cohen, how are you?Fine, thanks.What do you think of this
0:55:41 > 0:55:47reversal of the decision?Well, they've succumb to public pressure.
0:55:47 > 0:55:53They didn't make it a big deal when they did it, they just put out a
0:55:53 > 0:55:59little release among their staff saying we've responded to
0:55:59 > 0:56:05complaints, but journalists obviously have taken it up because,
0:56:05 > 0:56:10well, from my point of view, I simply don't think that bans like
0:56:10 > 0:56:17this work. I'm speaking, I work for the Guardian and Observer. This
0:56:17 > 0:56:20whole culture you've got now of universities banning speakers even
0:56:20 > 0:56:25though they are not inciting crime or inciting violence and I don't
0:56:25 > 0:56:29know who you follow on Twitter, Victoria, but people I follow seem
0:56:29 > 0:56:36to want to ban a lot of right-wing. I don't think it works. I think it
0:56:36 > 0:56:42gets people's backs up. I think people say, "Who the hell are
0:56:42 > 0:56:46Richard Branson and Brian Souter to tell me what I can and can't read."
0:56:46 > 0:56:49It drives people towards the positions of Donald Trump and Nigel
0:56:49 > 0:56:57Farage.It was censorship in your view?Well, in a way, yes. I mean,
0:56:57 > 0:57:00there was a newspaper that was on sale and it wasn't. It has been
0:57:00 > 0:57:10stopped. I mean you can get lost in the niceties of that, people all say
0:57:10 > 0:57:15when universities stop having feminist speakers who have said some
0:57:15 > 0:57:19off colour remark about transsexuals and saying, "It is not really
0:57:19 > 0:57:24sensored because the State is not doing it." But in normal language,
0:57:24 > 0:57:29it's a ban. It is a restriction on what people could read now compared
0:57:29 > 0:57:36to what they could read in the past. I don't want to get lost in the
0:57:36 > 0:57:40minute ushy of it all.There is a lot of people on Twitter calling for
0:57:40 > 0:57:43bans of this and bans of that. Do you think Twitter sets the agenda,
0:57:43 > 0:57:52Touche in this country?I don't think you can blame technology. I
0:57:52 > 0:57:57really don't. Technology doesn't, it isn't destiny and doesn't determine
0:57:57 > 0:58:00what we think and don't think. There is a spirit of the age. On the right
0:58:00 > 0:58:08as well as the left, of great intolerance of your opponents, of
0:58:08 > 0:58:14demonising your opponents, of saying look, they're not just wrong or
0:58:14 > 0:58:20misguided, but they are almost I will legitimate. You see that very
0:58:20 > 0:58:25much with how Trump won in America. You see it with all kinds of petty
0:58:25 > 0:58:33dictatorships that are rising up in countries like Hungary. To oppose is
0:58:33 > 0:58:39almost to be like a criminal and that requires criminal sanctions.
0:58:39 > 0:58:47They are not allowed to speak. This is so racist in the case of The Mail
0:58:47 > 0:58:51and the danger, just from a practical point of view, just from
0:58:51 > 0:58:55the point of view of you are in politics to get something done, you
0:58:55 > 0:58:58are not going to convert someone. I am very much against Brexit. I think
0:58:58 > 0:59:03it is a betrayal of our country. A disaster for our country, but I and
0:59:03 > 0:59:08people like me have got to persuade some of the 17.4 million people who
0:59:08 > 0:59:16voted leave to come over to our side. You know, heavy handed tactics
0:59:16 > 0:59:20are entirely - the same applies in America. In America the Democrats
0:59:20 > 0:59:23have got to persuade in 2020 people who voted for Donald Trump to vote
0:59:23 > 0:59:34against him. Now, when you start getting into this highly hysterical
0:59:34 > 0:59:45culture it just confirms them in their beliefs.
0:59:45 > 0:59:47Let's get the weather.
0:59:47 > 0:59:48their beliefs. Let's get the weather.
0:59:48 > 0:59:51The weather is improving slightly as we head on into the afternoon. This
0:59:51 > 0:59:55was the scene this morning with some rain, but already some rainbows out
0:59:55 > 1:00:00in Yorkshire. I think most of us will see something brighter by the
1:00:00 > 1:00:05time we get into the afternoon. This is the weather front that is
1:00:05 > 1:00:09responsible for the rain that we've had this morning. It's gradually
1:00:09 > 1:00:14clearing its way eastwards. Behind it, strong winds feeding in a series
1:00:14 > 1:00:18of showers and some of those showers could be heavy and wintry. That's
1:00:18 > 1:00:22where we are this afternoon. The heavy showers continuing. Some
1:00:22 > 1:00:27bright or sunny spells in between if you're lucky and the potential for
1:00:27 > 1:00:30some wintry showers or snow on higher ground in Scotland. Now, it
1:00:30 > 1:00:33is pretty cold further north. Temperatures three to about five
1:00:33 > 1:00:38Celsius. Further south, still slightly milder. Temperatures in
1:00:38 > 1:00:45double figures up to ten Celsius. As we head into late afternoon, the
1:00:45 > 1:00:49snow showers continuing to fall across Scotland. Perhaps getting
1:00:49 > 1:00:53down to lower levels as well. Northern parts of England, some
1:00:53 > 1:00:58bright spells, a few showers. The winds lighter across eastern
1:00:58 > 1:01:02counties, but further west, touching gale force at times. There will be
1:01:02 > 1:01:06sunny spells, but the showers will continue across Devon and Cornwall
1:01:06 > 1:01:10and Wales through the rest of the afternoon and into tonight. So
1:01:10 > 1:01:14tonight there is the risk of ice, essentially across Northern Ireland
1:01:14 > 1:01:20and Scotland where we have a yellow be aware warning. Potential for some
1:01:20 > 1:01:23snow at lower levels for northern parts of England, Scotland and
1:01:23 > 1:01:26Northern Ireland and this colder air really taking charge over the next
1:01:26 > 1:01:32few days. You'll need the extra layers as you head out. You'll feel
1:01:32 > 1:01:37the difference. Tuesday, yes, we have the showers continuing to feed
1:01:37 > 1:01:42in. Even at lower levels, they could fall as snow across northern
1:01:42 > 1:01:46regions, Northern Ireland, Scotland, northern parts of England. Further
1:01:46 > 1:01:49south, there will be drier interludes, but rain showers
1:01:49 > 1:01:53continuing and if you factor in the wind, it will feel more like minus
1:01:53 > 1:01:57four or minus five Celsius in the day time. So, pretty cold out there.
1:01:57 > 1:02:01As we head towards the middle of the week, there will be sunny spells. A
1:02:01 > 1:02:07few showers. Again, wintry. Perhaps in Edinburgh and some strong winds
1:02:07 > 1:02:11to come, stormy conditions, by the middle of the week. That's your
1:02:11 > 1:02:16latest forecast.
1:02:18 > 1:02:19Hello.
1:02:19 > 1:02:20It's Monday, it's 10 o'clock.
1:02:20 > 1:02:25I'm Victoria Derbyshire.
1:02:25 > 1:02:28Our top story today - thousands of jobs are under threat
1:02:28 > 1:02:30this morning because one of Britain's biggest construction
1:02:30 > 1:02:31companies has gone into liquidation.
1:02:31 > 1:02:33Talks between Carillion, its lenders and the government
1:02:33 > 1:02:35failed to reach a deal to save the company.
1:02:35 > 1:02:40We'll be talking to someone who works there.
1:02:40 > 1:02:44Councils are given new guidance on how to reduce teenage pregnancy. The
1:02:44 > 1:02:49UK still has one of the highest rates in Europe despite it hardly in
1:02:49 > 1:02:53the last eight years. You can just hear people saying, she should not
1:02:53 > 1:02:57be a young mother. Stuff like that. And I used to get dirty looks and
1:02:57 > 1:03:05stuff like that.
1:03:05 > 1:03:08We'll also be talking to a man who became a dad as a teenager
1:03:08 > 1:03:11and asking what needs to be done to cut teenage pregnancy
1:03:11 > 1:03:12rates further.
1:03:12 > 1:03:14Ukip leader Henry Bolton says he won't be resigning,
1:03:14 > 1:03:16despite the controversy over racist remarks made by his girlfriend
1:03:16 > 1:03:19Jo Marney, but has told the BBC he is no longer romantically
1:03:19 > 1:03:21involved with her.
1:03:21 > 1:03:26I am absolutely not standing down. The reason is because it is
1:03:26 > 1:03:31crucially important at Ukip has a loud voice leading up the exiting
1:03:31 > 1:03:36the European Union and in shaping the nation on the way forward out of
1:03:36 > 1:03:37that.
1:03:37 > 1:03:40We'll talk to one Ukip MEP who says Henry Bolton should go.
1:03:40 > 1:03:42Scotland's First Minister has accused Theresa May
1:03:42 > 1:03:44of a "fundamental dereliction of duty" in failing
1:03:44 > 1:03:52to set out the economic impact of leaving the EU.
1:03:52 > 1:03:54she says Brexit could cut Scotland's economy by more than
1:03:54 > 1:03:58£12 billion per year.
1:03:58 > 1:04:10We will hear from Nicola Sturgeon at half past ten.
1:04:14 > 1:04:15Good morning.
1:04:15 > 1:04:18Here's Annita, in the BBC Newsroom, with a summary of today's news.
1:04:18 > 1:04:19Our top story today.
1:04:19 > 1:04:20One of Britain's biggest construction companies, Carillion,
1:04:20 > 1:04:28has been placed into liquidation this morning, threatening
1:04:32 > 1:04:37Earlier, Michael Lynch, of the rail union the RMT, said the company's
1:04:37 > 1:04:42directors had left its workers in the lurch.
1:04:42 > 1:04:45It's an absolute scandal that these people will just be able to walk
1:04:45 > 1:04:48away from the wreckage of this company while ordinary working
1:04:48 > 1:04:50people will be scrabbling around for work, with no idea
1:04:50 > 1:04:52what the future brings for their pensions and their
1:04:52 > 1:04:53families.
1:04:53 > 1:04:54It's disgusting, frankly.
1:04:54 > 1:05:01The callousness of these directors and modern capitalism is an outrage!
1:05:01 > 1:05:03Peter Plisner is our Midlands business correspondent,
1:05:03 > 1:05:05and is at Carillion's headquarters, in Wolverhampton.
1:05:05 > 1:05:11Good morning. Is it becoming any clearer in terms of things being
1:05:11 > 1:05:16said about what might happen to those 20,000 employees and give
1:05:16 > 1:05:24reaction to this morning's news as well?
1:05:24 > 1:05:30well?We're here at Wolverhampton HQ of Carillion. They basically have
1:05:30 > 1:05:33said nothing. They have been briefed not taught the media. They assume
1:05:33 > 1:05:38that is a team the building from the receivers, although they are not
1:05:38 > 1:05:47officially appointed. This is far reaching not just for Carillion
1:05:47 > 1:05:50workers, 400 and Wolverhampton and 20,000 across the country. There is
1:05:50 > 1:05:54the wide impact on the supply chain in the construction industry. I have
1:05:54 > 1:05:58been talking to a couple of civil engineering companies this morning
1:05:58 > 1:06:02and they certainly worried. Some are worried they will not get paid and
1:06:02 > 1:06:06worried about the future of the company. A lot is at stake.
1:06:06 > 1:06:10Unfortunately, this is not the news many were expecting. They expected
1:06:10 > 1:06:14some kind of deal to be done to save some jobs and it appears this is the
1:06:14 > 1:06:20worst possible news for staff here and elsewhere.Thinking very much.
1:06:20 > 1:06:26Outside Carillion headquarters. Moron that in the next few minutes.
1:06:26 > 1:06:29-- we will have more on that.
1:06:29 > 1:06:32Ukip leader Henry Bolton has told the BBC he is no longer romantically
1:06:32 > 1:06:35involved with his former girlfriend Jo Marney, following the controversy
1:06:35 > 1:06:37over her racist text messages.
1:06:37 > 1:06:39Mr Bolton says he won't resign as party leader, despite calls
1:06:39 > 1:06:40from within UKIP to go.
1:06:40 > 1:06:43Ms Marney has apologised for the texts, which centred
1:06:43 > 1:06:44around derogatory comments about Prince Harry's
1:06:44 > 1:06:46fiancee, Meghan Markle - but claims they were taken
1:06:46 > 1:06:49out of context.
1:06:49 > 1:06:51The Palestinian President, Mahmoud Abbas, has said he will not
1:06:51 > 1:06:54accept any Middle East peace plane brokered by the US,
1:06:54 > 1:06:55following Donald Trump's move to recognise Jerusalem
1:06:55 > 1:06:58as Israel's capital.
1:06:58 > 1:07:01In a speech, Mr Abbas described the move as the "slap
1:07:01 > 1:07:02of the century" for Palestinians.
1:07:02 > 1:07:05President Trump has threatened to cut aid if the Palestinians
1:07:05 > 1:07:13reject peace talks.
1:07:14 > 1:07:16Meanwhile, Donald Trump has publicly denied being a racist,
1:07:16 > 1:07:18as a row continues over offensive language he allegedly
1:07:18 > 1:07:20used to describe some African, Central American
1:07:20 > 1:07:21and Caribbean countries.
1:07:21 > 1:07:24The comments were reported to have been made during a meeting with US
1:07:24 > 1:07:25senators on immigration at the White House.
1:07:25 > 1:07:29In his first direct response to accusations of racism,
1:07:29 > 1:07:32Donald Trump told reporters he had not made the comments, and claimed
1:07:32 > 1:07:39he was "the least racist person" they had ever interviewed.
1:07:39 > 1:07:43There was a narrow escape for a driver and passenger,
1:07:43 > 1:07:51following a spectacular collision in Orange County, in California.
1:07:57 > 1:08:02The car hit the central reservation, crashing into the wall. Both the
1:08:02 > 1:08:06driver and passenger received minor injuries, which seems nothing short
1:08:06 > 1:08:09of a miracle, Victoria. It certainly does. Thank you very
1:08:09 > 1:08:13much. And thank you for your comments about sexual harassment
1:08:13 > 1:08:17which we were discussing earlier and I was asking if you had ever
1:08:17 > 1:08:21intervened, because of an enquiry started by a group of MPs and the
1:08:21 > 1:08:25sexual harassment in public places. Had you ever intervened and called
1:08:25 > 1:08:30somebody out for sexual harassment pushed Mark Murray says, I was a bus
1:08:30 > 1:08:33tribe in London and I watched as a man filmed underneath a woman's
1:08:33 > 1:08:40skirt. I called my control room. All men and they sniggered at my request
1:08:40 > 1:08:44for the police. They did report it, police arrived immediately and
1:08:44 > 1:08:47questioned the man involved, but it was annoying and frustrating to be
1:08:47 > 1:08:53greeted by such I've frustrating response. Jeannot says, it is a
1:08:53 > 1:08:59slippery slope whereby any comment made by a man is construed as sexual
1:08:59 > 1:09:04harassment. We have had multiple stories and it staggers me, this
1:09:04 > 1:09:09says. I am astonished any woman would walk past any man in public
1:09:09 > 1:09:16now, for fear of what might happen. How did we get here? If you're
1:09:16 > 1:09:20getting in touch, you are very welcome. If your text in, you will
1:09:20 > 1:09:24be charged at the standard next -- standard network rate.
1:09:24 > 1:09:27Here's some sport now, with Hugh.
1:09:27 > 1:09:29Very sad news today.
1:09:29 > 1:09:32The former England striker Cyrille Regis has died at the age of 59.
1:09:32 > 1:09:36It's believed he'd suffered a heart attack.
1:09:36 > 1:09:39If you do not know about Cyrille Regis and his career, I have looked
1:09:39 > 1:09:45through the tributes pouring in this morning and one story stood out. He
1:09:45 > 1:09:51kept a bullet for his career as a reminder of some of the evil people
1:09:51 > 1:09:55had inside of them and, for the rest of my days, it was a motivation they
1:09:55 > 1:10:00would not stop me. That is part of the reason he did inspire so many.
1:10:00 > 1:10:02Regis was best known for his time at West Bromwich Albion,
1:10:02 > 1:10:05where he's considered a legend after his 112 goals for the club.
1:10:05 > 1:10:08He was one of the first black players to be capped by England
1:10:08 > 1:10:11and was awarded an MBE in 2008.
1:10:11 > 1:10:14Ryan Giggs is set to be named as the manager of the Wales
1:10:14 > 1:10:15national team today, succeeding Chris Coleman.
1:10:15 > 1:10:18Giggs' only managerial experience so far was four games in charge
1:10:18 > 1:10:20of Manchester United, when David Moyes was sacked in 2014.
1:10:20 > 1:10:23Coleman stepped down in November, after Wales failed to qualify
1:10:23 > 1:10:28for this year's World Cup.
1:10:28 > 1:10:34After 30 games and 281 days, Manchester City's unbeaten
1:10:34 > 1:10:36Premier League run is finally over.
1:10:36 > 1:10:37They lost 4-3 to Liverpool,
1:10:37 > 1:10:38in an incredible match at Anfield.
1:10:38 > 1:10:40Liverpool scored three goals in eight minutes,
1:10:40 > 1:10:45to go 4-1 up in the second half.
1:10:45 > 1:10:50City did fight back, but they couldn't find an equaliser.
1:10:50 > 1:10:55They are still 15 points clear at the top of the table,
1:10:55 > 1:10:57but Liverpool and their boss, Jurgen Klopp, are celebrating
1:10:57 > 1:11:01a famous victory.
1:11:01 > 1:11:06It is possible that this today was an historical game. You will talk
1:11:06 > 1:11:10about this in 20 years. Manchester City lost one game, because it looks
1:11:10 > 1:11:15like they will not lose another one! It is big respect for their
1:11:15 > 1:11:23performance. And, of course, what we did today.Liverpool was demanding a
1:11:23 > 1:11:28lot, you make mistakes, you get punished. With Mohamed Salah. With a
1:11:28 > 1:11:37team that has the quality to run and to make fast counterattacks. But
1:11:37 > 1:11:43hopefully, we can learn from that for the future.
1:11:43 > 1:11:46And - for the first time ever - Bournemouth beat Arsenal,
1:11:46 > 1:11:49coming from behind in front of their home crowd to win 2-1,
1:11:49 > 1:11:51thanks to Jordan Ibe, who hit his first goal
1:11:51 > 1:11:52for the club.
1:11:52 > 1:11:55Britain's Kyle Edmund has hailed the best win of his career,
1:11:55 > 1:11:58beating the 11th seed Kevin Anderson in the first round of
1:11:58 > 1:11:59the Australian Open.
1:11:59 > 1:12:02He twice came from a set down and was trailing by a break
1:12:02 > 1:12:04in the deciding set, before fighting back to reach
1:12:04 > 1:12:08round two in Melbourne
1:12:08 > 1:12:10for only the second time, with a five-set victory.
1:12:10 > 1:12:11He'll face Denis Istomin next.
1:12:11 > 1:12:17I just overall bort, personal satisfaction. The hours you put in
1:12:17 > 1:12:23in training. So many things like that. Those types of results just
1:12:23 > 1:12:27make it really, just really feel good and worth it, basically. So
1:12:27 > 1:12:33yes, really happy.And a couple of surprises in the women's game, Venus
1:12:33 > 1:12:38Williams knocked out, beaten in straight sets. Williams lost in the
1:12:38 > 1:12:43final last year to her sister, Serena. Not great for the American
1:12:43 > 1:12:48women. The US Open Champion Sloane Stephens is also out. That is all
1:12:48 > 1:12:53the sport for now. More at half-past.
1:12:53 > 1:12:58Sinn Fein MP who cause controversy after posing with a Kingsmill ranted
1:12:58 > 1:13:05loaf on the anniversary of the anniversary of the Kingsmill
1:13:05 > 1:13:09massacre has resigned. So Sinn Fein MP Barry McElderry has resigned
1:13:09 > 1:13:13after posing with a loaf on the anniversary of the Kingsmill
1:13:13 > 1:13:15anniversary.
1:13:15 > 1:13:17The construction giant Carillion has gone into liquidation,
1:13:17 > 1:13:20saying it's failed to secure a funding deal with
1:13:20 > 1:13:28the government and the banks.
1:13:29 > 1:13:31The firm, which employs 20,000 people in the UK ,
1:13:31 > 1:13:33has overall debts of one-and-a-half billion pounds.
1:13:33 > 1:13:36The Government says it will do all it can to protect the company's
1:13:36 > 1:13:37workers and contracts.
1:13:37 > 1:13:39Jerry Swain is from the Unite union, The Conservative
1:13:39 > 1:13:41chairman of the House of Commons Public Administration
1:13:41 > 1:13:43Select Committee has said he's considering launching in inquiry
1:13:43 > 1:13:47into government procurement and contracting.
1:13:47 > 1:13:49And Labour's shadow minister for the Cabinet Office,
1:13:49 > 1:13:57Jon Trickett, is with us.
1:13:57 > 1:13:59Ian, who has been working for Carillion
1:13:59 > 1:14:00as a sub-contractor.
1:14:00 > 1:14:03We've agreed not to disclose his identity.
1:14:03 > 1:14:06How'd you react to the company going into liquidation this morning?It is
1:14:06 > 1:14:11not a surprise. The way it operated throughout the time we worked for
1:14:11 > 1:14:14them was horrific. The risk was transferred to the smaller
1:14:14 > 1:14:21subcontractors. Payment terms were unacceptable. And basically, it put
1:14:21 > 1:14:30a lot of small companies at risk. Let me bring in Jerry, your concern
1:14:30 > 1:14:36is, what?Two concerns. First, the immediate concern that employees,
1:14:36 > 1:14:43members of Unite, get paid. There is real problems such as the
1:14:43 > 1:14:47difficulties Ian's company will face, we are likely to see a domino
1:14:47 > 1:14:50effect on companies going into receivership and administration
1:14:50 > 1:14:55because people or companies will have loans secured on the money that
1:14:55 > 1:14:59is owed to them by Carillion and their chances of getting that money
1:14:59 > 1:15:04now seem fairly slim. If the report it debts are correct.The Government
1:15:04 > 1:15:08has said today it will pay people's wages, I am not sure what that means
1:15:08 > 1:15:12in practical terms and how many people will be paid.I would like to
1:15:12 > 1:15:20see more detail.I suspect that will be the places where Carillion
1:15:20 > 1:15:23employed people directly in places like the hospitals, the Prison
1:15:23 > 1:15:29Service, except. But there are tens, if not hundreds of thousands, of
1:15:29 > 1:15:33workers on construction sites in an extremely un-secure position at the
1:15:33 > 1:15:38moment, who will be fretting about their wages, wondering if they can
1:15:38 > 1:15:42pay their mortgage.What about the impact on public services? Carillion
1:15:42 > 1:15:46is involved in everything from school dinners, roads, maintaining
1:15:46 > 1:15:52houses, Ministry of Defence houses? Half the presence in the country are
1:15:52 > 1:15:56run by Carillion, it is completely extraordinary and the Government
1:15:56 > 1:15:59continues to hand out contracts when they knew this company was in
1:15:59 > 1:16:02trouble. And the services must be protected. But most people will
1:16:02 > 1:16:06think, why is it that so many services have been handed over to a
1:16:06 > 1:16:13company which was pay to be failing over the last 2-3 years?
1:16:13 > 1:16:17Two profit warnings?In 2015, they were short-selling the shares on the
1:16:17 > 1:16:27exchange. We have known for a long time this company was in trouble.
1:16:27 > 1:16:30They have had three Chief Executives over the last few months. It is a
1:16:30 > 1:16:36disaster and the Government has been asleep on the watch.OK.When they
1:16:36 > 1:16:39should have been watching carefully what was Wapping.Bernard
1:16:39 > 1:16:41Generalingen, do you accept that from Labour that the Government has
1:16:41 > 1:16:49been asleep on this? It is a disaster?I'm sure we will all enjoy
1:16:49 > 1:16:54being wise after the event...It is not after the event. How many
1:16:54 > 1:17:01warnings did the Transport Secretary need?Just let me finish the point.
1:17:01 > 1:17:05Why is it being wise after the event when the Transport Secretary handed
1:17:05 > 1:17:09a HS2 contract to Carillion a week after its first profit warning last
1:17:09 > 1:17:14summer and after the Chief Executive had departed?As I was going to say
1:17:14 > 1:17:19these all are legitimate questions to ask, but I think if John turns
1:17:19 > 1:17:23the volume control down about 80% I think he would sound more reasonable
1:17:23 > 1:17:29and credible. We've got, but that's why my committee is considering
1:17:29 > 1:17:38setting up this inquiry. It's a bit like the Kids Company inquiry we did
1:17:38 > 1:17:46only an a larger scale, in the Kids Company case the minister to give a
1:17:46 > 1:17:49ministerial direction to the Civil Service. In this case the whole of
1:17:49 > 1:17:54government is going to be implicated. The Civil Service as
1:17:54 > 1:17:58well. The Secretary of State wouldn't have let the contracts
1:17:58 > 1:18:02against official advice. So let's have a look at this and let's just
1:18:02 > 1:18:06remember that two things. First of all, the Labour Party when they were
1:18:06 > 1:18:12in office let many contracts that went bad and also, that the public
1:18:12 > 1:18:17sector does things that go bad. So, nobody is blameless. We have all got
1:18:17 > 1:18:21blood on our hands. Let's see what we can learn positively from this
1:18:21 > 1:18:25situation rather than just doing the blame game.That's a fair point,
1:18:25 > 1:18:27isn't it?Well, I have been asking questions about this company for
1:18:27 > 1:18:30months.Previous governments including Labour ones handed out
1:18:30 > 1:18:34contracts that have gone wrong?And it is time we had a major review. I
1:18:34 > 1:18:37don't think the public want to pay tax to companies which then cream
1:18:37 > 1:18:43off the profits and then go bust leaving working and receivers high
1:18:43 > 1:18:48and dry. We have to have a review. Why aren't the services provided in
1:18:48 > 1:18:55house. How come we have got prisons and hospitals and schools being
1:18:55 > 1:18:58prohaveded for profit, we have to review this and come to a different
1:18:58 > 1:19:03conclusion about how we handle the public services in the future.Can I
1:19:03 > 1:19:07just say, on Carillion, it has been mentioned. They had a policy in
1:19:07 > 1:19:13December that they don't pay people subcontractors what is due to them
1:19:13 > 1:19:16purely for the simple reason to inflate the amount of money held
1:19:16 > 1:19:21within the company. It is a company that has blacklisted workers and has
1:19:21 > 1:19:24a history of doing that and then to be asking them to run our public
1:19:24 > 1:19:28services was never the right thing to do and what we should be doing
1:19:28 > 1:19:31now is bringing the services back in house where they can be managed
1:19:31 > 1:19:34properly and managed in the interests of the user of the
1:19:34 > 1:19:37service.OK. Thank you all, thank you very much. Thanks for coming on
1:19:37 > 1:19:43the programme.
1:19:43 > 1:19:46This morning we've been looking at life as a teenage mum.
1:19:46 > 1:19:48Teenage pregnancy rates in the UK have halved
1:19:48 > 1:19:50in the past eight years, but are still among
1:19:50 > 1:19:51the highest in Europe.
1:19:51 > 1:19:53Now new government guidelines are being released to help councils
1:19:53 > 1:19:54reduce the numbers further.
1:19:54 > 1:19:57Our reporter Katie Alston has been to meet teenage mums.
1:19:57 > 1:19:59We bought you her full report earlier.
1:19:59 > 1:20:00Here's a short extract.
1:20:00 > 1:20:03Being a parent is probably one of the loneliest places I've been.
1:20:03 > 1:20:06And you lose a lot of your friends.
1:20:06 > 1:20:08They don't want to focus on this little baby,
1:20:08 > 1:20:10they want to go out, do their own thing.
1:20:10 > 1:20:13I feel like it's probably one of the loneliest places,
1:20:13 > 1:20:20but no-one prepares you for that.
1:20:30 > 1:20:33You don't want people to see you're struggling,
1:20:33 > 1:20:36get the impression, "Oh, you're a a bad mum
1:20:36 > 1:20:38because you're struggling", so there things you keep in,
1:20:38 > 1:20:41and you don't tell anyone.
1:20:41 > 1:20:43I remember one time I was out with my friend,
1:20:43 > 1:20:45and she also had a baby, we both had pushchairs,
1:20:45 > 1:20:49and someone kind of said to us, it was like, "Oh what you doing
1:20:49 > 1:20:53with your little brother", something like that,
1:20:53 > 1:20:56"Why you taking your little brother out, where's the mum?"
1:20:56 > 1:20:58And when we was like, "Oh, we're the mum",
1:20:58 > 1:21:00they was like, "No you're not, oh, that's disgusting"
1:21:00 > 1:21:01and stuff like that.
1:21:01 > 1:21:03How does that make you feel?
1:21:03 > 1:21:06Quite annoyed, the fact other people are trying to get in business
1:21:06 > 1:21:09which has nothing to do with them.
1:21:09 > 1:21:12They don't know the circumstances we've been in, they don't know how
1:21:12 > 1:21:15much success we actually had done, and how much he has grown and we've
1:21:15 > 1:21:16brought him up and that.
1:21:16 > 1:21:17brought him up and that.
1:21:17 > 1:21:19So they shouldn't make comments about something
1:21:19 > 1:21:24they know nothing about.
1:21:24 > 1:21:26We had a nurse and she was very rude to me,
1:21:26 > 1:21:27kind of dismissed me completely.
1:21:27 > 1:21:30I remember her saying to me, "Oh, you wouldn't know
1:21:30 > 1:21:32what labour feels like, you're too young", and ended
1:21:32 > 1:21:33up sending me home.
1:21:33 > 1:21:36And it turned out I was right all along, my waters had broke
1:21:36 > 1:21:38and I didn't know they had.
1:21:38 > 1:21:40He'd been in my stomach without water for about three days.
1:21:40 > 1:21:48So when they saw that they had to induce me straightaway.
1:21:55 > 1:21:56Young people shouldn't be facing unplanned pregnancy.
1:21:56 > 1:21:59We know what we can do to reduce that, so everybody is having
1:21:59 > 1:22:01conversations early about healthy relationships, about helping
1:22:01 > 1:22:03young people delay sex until they are ready,
1:22:03 > 1:22:05about making choices about contraception, sexual health
1:22:05 > 1:22:06so they protect themselves well.
1:22:06 > 1:22:13Talking about parenting.
1:22:13 > 1:22:15That will equip young people with the confidence
1:22:15 > 1:22:18and the knowledge to make the right choices for them.
1:22:18 > 1:22:20Before I had Harvey, I felt like I didn't really know
1:22:20 > 1:22:22where my life was going.
1:22:22 > 1:22:26Now I have so much of a purpose I feel like he has helped me a lot.
1:22:26 > 1:22:29To know where I want to go, to know what I want to be,
1:22:29 > 1:22:30and what I want out of life.
1:22:30 > 1:22:35Let's speak to Jodie Aubery who was 13 when she fell pregnant
1:22:35 > 1:22:37and 14 when she gave birth to her daughter Charlotte
1:22:37 > 1:22:42three years ago.
1:22:42 > 1:22:45This is Charlotte. How are you lovely? She is watching herself on
1:22:45 > 1:22:46TV!
1:22:46 > 1:22:49Shadine Ebanks-Scully was 16 when she became pregnant and gave
1:22:49 > 1:22:52birth to her little boy Kason six weeks ago.
1:22:52 > 1:22:58Welcome. Beautiful sleeping baby. That's how we love babies.
1:22:58 > 1:23:00And Kevin Makwikila who is a single parent to six-year-old son.
1:23:00 > 1:23:02He was 17 when he became a dad.
1:23:02 > 1:23:04Also with us Lisa Hallgarten who is Policy Manager
1:23:04 > 1:23:06at sexual health charity, Brook.
1:23:06 > 1:23:08Etty Martin, Sexual Health Commissioning Manager
1:23:08 > 1:23:11at Public Health Warwickshire.
1:23:11 > 1:23:13She is responsible for spending the allocated sexual health budget
1:23:13 > 1:23:17on services for the area she works in and helped work on the new
1:23:17 > 1:23:19guidelines for councils.
1:23:19 > 1:23:23Thank you for coming on the programme. Thank you and thank you
1:23:23 > 1:23:29for your patience. How are you doing, six weeks old, he is?I'm
1:23:29 > 1:23:34doing quite well. It's really hard, but I'm managing. So, it's different
1:23:34 > 1:23:39compared it my life before to how it is now. It's just...Tell us how
1:23:39 > 1:23:44it's different?Sleepless nights, instead of me going out, I'm
1:23:44 > 1:23:48changing smelly nappies and washing his bottles and making the bottles,
1:23:48 > 1:23:52so it's different because I still want to be a teen, but then I've got
1:23:52 > 1:23:59a responsibility.Jodie, you were 13 when you became pregnant.Yeah.With
1:23:59 > 1:24:06Charlotte, what did you think when you initially found out?I was more
1:24:06 > 1:24:10shocked and scared more than anything because I didn't know what
1:24:10 > 1:24:17to expect out of the whole ordeal myself and obviously, scared to then
1:24:17 > 1:24:21tell the world.Tell your parents. Tell my parents.Were you worried?
1:24:21 > 1:24:26Yes.What did you think they would do?I just didn't know. I didn't
1:24:26 > 1:24:31know what they would do.In fact you hid it from everybody until you were
1:24:31 > 1:24:34six or seven months until you started showing, didn't you?Yeah, I
1:24:34 > 1:24:41did.Happened then?I was called into a councillor's room in school
1:24:41 > 1:24:46when they basically told me I was pregnant and it all came out from
1:24:46 > 1:24:52there.Were you in denial, do you think?I was in re-Nile at first and
1:24:52 > 1:24:57it wasn't until I had kind of felt her moving that it kind of kicked in
1:24:57 > 1:25:02that yeah, I am in fact pregnant and there is a baby growing inside of
1:25:02 > 1:25:10me.And how have the last three years been?Hectic, but I'm going to
1:25:10 > 1:25:15say it has been the best three years of my life because obviously she's
1:25:15 > 1:25:22here with me, but if I was told when I was 13 that I was going to have a
1:25:22 > 1:25:28baby, I don't know how I would have reacted and for me to then go and on
1:25:28 > 1:25:33have and have baby, it's just, it's surreal. But, yeah...Kevin, you
1:25:33 > 1:25:37were in college when you found out that a child was on the way. What
1:25:37 > 1:25:43went through your mind?I was confused. I was happy. And sad at
1:25:43 > 1:25:49the same time because I didn't know how I was going to did it. I didn't
1:25:49 > 1:25:55really know what to expect. So, it really hit me, you know, and I
1:25:55 > 1:25:59struggled in terms of communicating in college. I stopped talking to
1:25:59 > 1:26:04people. I kind of just closed in because I really didn't know how to
1:26:04 > 1:26:08express myself, but I was, I definitely felt confused because I
1:26:08 > 1:26:13was happy and sad, worried. So yeah. And you were sure you wanted to be
1:26:13 > 1:26:18part of your son's life because your own father wasn't in your life when
1:26:18 > 1:26:23from the ages of nine or ten, is that right?Yeah.Now you have sole
1:26:23 > 1:26:29custody P what's that like?It was challenging, but it went really well
1:26:29 > 1:26:35and he still gets to see his mum which I'm really, it's tough to put
1:26:35 > 1:26:41in place, but I'm glad that contact still goes on, yeah.Before I bring
1:26:41 > 1:26:45in others, let me ask all of you, is there anything you could have been
1:26:45 > 1:26:49taught or told that might have prevented you from becoming
1:26:49 > 1:26:57pregnant?I think in schools they should do more workshops like I work
1:26:57 > 1:27:01for a company called Straight Talking and they provide a lot of
1:27:01 > 1:27:06support and help and there is also support with a project which my
1:27:06 > 1:27:11manager is involved with.Where there any workshops or discussions
1:27:11 > 1:27:15at school about contraception, I mean, from say the ages of 12, 13
1:27:15 > 1:27:19about contraception, about what it is like to be a parnlt?Not really.
1:27:19 > 1:27:23I didn't really go to school that often just because I didn't like it
1:27:23 > 1:27:27which is quite bad, but when I was there, nothing was spoken about. I
1:27:27 > 1:27:31think parents could talk more about it as well.OK.I know it is a
1:27:31 > 1:27:35touchy subject. It is a bit embarrassing.What would you say?I
1:27:35 > 1:27:40think
1:27:41 > 1:27:49think yeah, I completely agree. Well, when I fell pregnant I didn't
1:27:49 > 1:27:54know there was many contraceptive options and they should also do more
1:27:54 > 1:27:58things around budgeting and the real world.OK.When you come out of
1:27:58 > 1:28:01school because it's scary.I am making an assumption that you were
1:28:01 > 1:28:05older, you became pregnant at 16. Did you know about contraception,
1:28:05 > 1:28:09you knew about the pill, condoms, the withdrawal method in a way that
1:28:09 > 1:28:17perhaps you wouldn't Jodie aged 13. I not know so much about it, I was
1:28:17 > 1:28:21aware they were out there, but I didn't really know about it that
1:28:21 > 1:28:25much. I was going to go on the pill and the doctor told me the
1:28:25 > 1:28:30side-effects and I got scared and I thought I'm not going to bother.So
1:28:30 > 1:28:36you had investigated that?Yeah.OK. Do you think we need to cut the
1:28:36 > 1:28:40teenage pregnancy rate further? It has halved in this country in the
1:28:40 > 1:28:43last eight years which is phenomenal, still the highest, one
1:28:43 > 1:28:48of the highest in Europe, though, what do you say?We still need to be
1:28:48 > 1:28:52working to reduce it. Any unwanted pregnancies is one too many and
1:28:52 > 1:28:55because we have got half-way, I don't think we should be complacent.
1:28:55 > 1:29:00I think there is a lot we mead to do. Just listening to these
1:29:00 > 1:29:04wonderful young women saying they didn't get the information in a way
1:29:04 > 1:29:08that could relate to is one of the things we are keen to make sure
1:29:08 > 1:29:12continues.In practical terms what does that mean? We are not talking
1:29:12 > 1:29:16in normal language enough to boys and girls at a young enough age?
1:29:16 > 1:29:22Yes. We need to do more of that in a way they shape and design so in
1:29:22 > 1:29:24workshops where they are working with people that they can relate to
1:29:24 > 1:29:28that are like them. Maybe young people talking to young people.
1:29:28 > 1:29:32Which is why it is useful that you're going into schools to tell
1:29:32 > 1:29:40kids to tell pupils this is what it is like?Yeah.The guidance which is
1:29:40 > 1:29:43out today, I mean, it seems so straightforward. It seems such
1:29:43 > 1:29:47common sense, it is not really new, is it going to make any difference?
1:29:47 > 1:29:52I think it will make a difference because it's a renewed focus on
1:29:52 > 1:29:56teenage pregnancy which has fallen by the way side in policy levels.
1:29:56 > 1:30:03Because levels have been coming down?And that's caused complacency
1:30:03 > 1:30:05because the teenage pregnancy strategy became mainstream instead
1:30:05 > 1:30:11of having a focus on government, it became devolved and some local areas
1:30:11 > 1:30:15continued to do brilliant work and some local areas dropped the ball on
1:30:15 > 1:30:20it. There is nothing really, really new, but what it does is takes the
1:30:20 > 1:30:23learning from the last 15 years and it is putting it back out to local
1:30:23 > 1:30:27authorities and saying these are the brilliant things we can do in terms
1:30:27 > 1:30:31of good delivery of sex education and brilliant young people friendly
1:30:31 > 1:30:37services and linking those things up is critical.
1:30:37 > 1:30:42This e-mail says, I had my daughter when I was 16 and two months. It was
1:30:42 > 1:30:46a nightmare, but we did well. It is so hard being judged and being
1:30:46 > 1:30:52pressured. I now have two nursing qualifications, a degree and a
1:30:52 > 1:30:55teaching qualification, never say never! But at 16 and under, it is
1:30:55 > 1:31:01really challenging, to say the least. You agree? Yes. Heather says,
1:31:01 > 1:31:05my story, I was 15 when I became pregnant and 16 when I gave birth to
1:31:05 > 1:31:10my oldest son. I was so ashamed that I hid it from either parents while I
1:31:10 > 1:31:15did my exams. I'm amazed everyone by getting mostly a grades. At nearly
1:31:15 > 1:31:20five months pregnant, my mother asked if I want to if I was, they
1:31:20 > 1:31:25were devastated but they stood by me. Some midwives were nasty and
1:31:25 > 1:31:29others were great. I had to demonstrate breast-feeding to a
1:31:29 > 1:31:33class of mothers double my age. I got a job and when my son was two,
1:31:33 > 1:31:38we moved into my house, I met my partner who took on my son as his
1:31:38 > 1:31:44own. I was 21 when my second son was born, I am an optical adviser and
1:31:44 > 1:31:49have such a close bond to my son. It was not easy, but you have to adapt.
1:31:49 > 1:31:53Jo became pregnant at 17 Commission petabyte, every adult tried to
1:31:53 > 1:31:57persuade her to have an abortion. Not because they were heartless. But
1:31:57 > 1:32:02she could not have done that when her child was a reality. She had her
1:32:02 > 1:32:06baby because she immediately loved it. She knew she would have a baby
1:32:06 > 1:32:10to love and who would love her back. I suspect no teenage girl despise
1:32:10 > 1:32:15the ball pregnant deliberately poor housing, and anybody who thinks this
1:32:15 > 1:32:20has a side view of life. When I started out in journalism, there
1:32:20 > 1:32:23were many stories about teenage girls becoming pregnant to access a
1:32:23 > 1:32:28council house and benefits. What do you say, do you know anybody who has
1:32:28 > 1:32:33done that deliberately?No, I don't. I don't think it would purposely
1:32:33 > 1:32:37choose it. I am not saying it is really bad, but you would not choose
1:32:37 > 1:32:41this life to get a house and benefits.Thank you all very much.
1:32:41 > 1:32:47Thank you so much. On cue, Charlotte. Such a good girl! And
1:32:47 > 1:32:54such a good boy! Thank you, all of you. Let's go to Edinburgh, and the
1:32:54 > 1:32:57Scottish Government is warning Brexit could cut the Scottish
1:32:57 > 1:33:01economy by more than £12 billion a year. We can hear from the First
1:33:01 > 1:33:07Minister Nicola Sturgeon and Brexit Minister Mike Russell.We must not
1:33:07 > 1:33:12waste time seeking what they know to be unachievable. Common sense and
1:33:12 > 1:33:15hard-headed economic considerations should prevail from the start this
1:33:15 > 1:33:21time. As we entered this next crucial phase, the UK Government
1:33:21 > 1:33:27must not be driven by the obsessions of the hard Brexit wing of the
1:33:27 > 1:33:31Conservative Party. Keeping the Tory Party together in an uneasy truce
1:33:31 > 1:33:34cannot and must not be a more important consideration and
1:33:34 > 1:33:39aspiration for the UK Government and the job prospects, living standards
1:33:39 > 1:33:43and opportunities for this and future generations. What the
1:33:43 > 1:33:48modelling in this paper that we are publishing today shows beyond any
1:33:48 > 1:33:54doubt is that if the economy, living standards and investment are our
1:33:54 > 1:33:59priority, staying within the single market is absolutely essential to
1:33:59 > 1:34:03minimise the damage of leaving the EU. The analysis that we published
1:34:03 > 1:34:07today is more detailed and extensive than anything so far provided by the
1:34:07 > 1:34:13UK Government. And that in itself speaks volumes about their reckless
1:34:13 > 1:34:15and irresponsible approach. This paper looks at the only three
1:34:15 > 1:34:22realistic outcomes of Brexit. These are personally staying in the single
1:34:22 > 1:34:26market, second including a free trade agreement similar to that
1:34:26 > 1:34:31between the EU and Canada, and third, reverting the World Trade
1:34:31 > 1:34:35Organisation terms, the so-called no deal option. The modelling takes
1:34:35 > 1:34:39account of the impact on trade, productivity and migration on each
1:34:39 > 1:34:43of these possible future relationships. Let me be very clear.
1:34:43 > 1:34:49This analysis shows that none of these options are as good as staying
1:34:49 > 1:34:53within the European Union. All economy would take a hit and all of
1:34:53 > 1:35:00them. However, the least damaging option by far is staying in the
1:35:00 > 1:35:02single market. Let the outline as briefly as possible, with apologies
1:35:02 > 1:35:07for the flurry of statistics you are about to receive. The key locations
1:35:07 > 1:35:12for our economy by 2030 of each of these options compared to what the
1:35:12 > 1:35:21situation would be if we stayed in the EU. Under the so-called no deal
1:35:21 > 1:35:28option, a WTO -based relationship, our GDP would be 8.5% lower by 2030
1:35:28 > 1:35:36than if we were to remain in the EU. That is equivalent to £12.7 billion.
1:35:36 > 1:35:41£2300 for every person in Scotland. Under this option, real disposable
1:35:41 > 1:35:48income would also be 9.6% lower and business investment 10.2% lower.
1:35:48 > 1:35:55Under the option of a free trade agreement, GDP would be just over 6%
1:35:55 > 1:36:01lower, equivalent to 9 billion, £1600 for every single one of us in
1:36:01 > 1:36:06Scotland. Real disposable income would be over 7% lower and business
1:36:06 > 1:36:10investment lower by almost 8%. And staying in the single market
1:36:10 > 1:36:19compared to full EU membership would reduce GDP by 2.7%. Equivalent to £4
1:36:19 > 1:36:25billion, just under £700 per head of population. Under this option, real
1:36:25 > 1:36:29disposable income would be 1.4% lower and business investment lower
1:36:29 > 1:36:35by just under 3% than if we were to stay in the EU. So it is clear from
1:36:35 > 1:36:39these figures that staying in the single market does not insulated us
1:36:39 > 1:36:43from the costs of leaving the EU. But it will minimise those costs.
1:36:43 > 1:36:49Indeed, compared to a hard Brexit, staying in the single market would
1:36:49 > 1:36:56benefit as to the tune of £1600 per head, for every person in Scotland.
1:36:56 > 1:37:00Now, much of the Brexit debate so far has understandably focused on
1:37:00 > 1:37:06the prospects for trade. But within Scotland, we know that it is our
1:37:06 > 1:37:11need to grow our population and improve productivity most often
1:37:11 > 1:37:16cited in our current economic debate. These factors featured
1:37:16 > 1:37:18prominently in the Scottish Fiscal Commission's recent growth forecasts
1:37:18 > 1:37:24published alongside our draft budget. So it is striking that when
1:37:24 > 1:37:29you read the detail of the analysis we published today that it shows
1:37:29 > 1:37:35that the economic hit we will take comes not just from a loss in trade,
1:37:35 > 1:37:39but actually, more so especially in the longer term from losses in
1:37:39 > 1:37:44productivity and population. Very things we need to improve and if we
1:37:44 > 1:37:48are to boost growth, jobs and living standards. The evidence we present
1:37:48 > 1:37:52today is clear, the best way to minimise the economic damage of
1:37:52 > 1:37:56Brexit is to stay inside the single market. It is also in my view the
1:37:56 > 1:38:00best way to safeguard workers' rights and social consumer and
1:38:00 > 1:38:04environmental protections that we have come to take for granted. I
1:38:04 > 1:38:08have talked about the benefits of staying in the single market as it
1:38:08 > 1:38:12is just now, but the single market is not yet complete. The paper also
1:38:12 > 1:38:18sets out the future opportunities of continued membership for services,
1:38:18 > 1:38:21energy and the Digital economy in particular. It seems inconceivable
1:38:21 > 1:38:26that while the two countries in the European Economic Area, those still
1:38:26 > 1:38:29the joint will enjoy the benefits of that growth while we will be left
1:38:29 > 1:38:35outside. That is particularly frustrating a prospect because
1:38:35 > 1:38:40Scotland is very well placed to take advantage of the developing and
1:38:40 > 1:38:44deepening single market. Our world-class universities, potential
1:38:44 > 1:38:46in renewable energy, life sciences, digital sector and other key areas
1:38:46 > 1:38:51of the Scottish economy are all in a prime position to reap the rewards
1:38:51 > 1:38:54of these developments. And that would mean more jobs and higher
1:38:54 > 1:39:00wages. So it would be a tragedy for future generations if we were to let
1:39:00 > 1:39:04that opportunity pass us by. And services for example were both
1:39:04 > 1:39:09Scotland and the UK as a whole have comparative advantage, the long-term
1:39:09 > 1:39:16potential gain from completing the single market is estimated to be
1:39:16 > 1:39:192.4% of EU DDP, a beast of national income of that size in Scotland
1:39:19 > 1:39:25would be equivalent to see -- three 6p, almost £700 per person.
1:39:25 > 1:39:30Enhancements to the digital single market could mean a further increase
1:39:30 > 1:39:36in the EU GDP of nearly 2%, for Scotland, the equivalent of almost
1:39:36 > 1:39:41£3 billion, over £500 per person. This paper sets out the positive
1:39:41 > 1:39:46case and the significant economic benefit. And if we retain our place
1:39:46 > 1:39:51in the single market compared with all the other...Scotland's First
1:39:51 > 1:39:56Minister Nicola Sturgeon. Various options they have looked at in this
1:39:56 > 1:39:59report released today. She has looked at the impact on Scotland's
1:39:59 > 1:40:05economy of staying in the single market. Of a free-trade agreement.
1:40:05 > 1:40:09And WTO terms, so-called no deal options, that is the world trade or
1:40:09 > 1:40:14interns, and what impact it will have on people. According to their
1:40:14 > 1:40:16own analysis, the Scottish Government says there was no deal
1:40:16 > 1:40:20for the UK after leaving the European Union, it would hit the
1:40:20 > 1:40:27Scottish economic output by 8.5% by 2030. View has Nicola Sturgeon say
1:40:27 > 1:40:32that is £2300 for every person in Scotland's -- you heard Nicola
1:40:32 > 1:40:37Sturgeon. So a hit to the Scottish economy by 2030 if there was no deal
1:40:37 > 1:40:42for the UK after leaving the EU of 8.5%. More on that throughout the
1:40:42 > 1:40:46day.
1:40:46 > 1:40:48A senior coroner will today deliver his conclusions
1:40:48 > 1:40:56at the second inquest of 13-month-old Poppi Worthington -
1:40:59 > 1:41:01more than five years after she died.
1:41:01 > 1:41:03The toddler's controversial first inquest lasted just seven minutes
1:41:03 > 1:41:06and did not refer to Poppi by name, as her death was declared
1:41:06 > 1:41:09as unexplained.
1:41:09 > 1:41:13Our correspondent is outside Kendal coroner's court. Remind our audience
1:41:13 > 1:41:17of the background to the death of Poppi Worthington. Previously, we
1:41:17 > 1:41:22had one opinion that the little girl may have been sexually assaulted by
1:41:22 > 1:41:26her own father.That is right, that came from a family court back in
1:41:26 > 1:41:332016. The judge, Mr Peter Jackson, said, and the balance of
1:41:33 > 1:41:35probabilities, Poppi's father sexually assaulted her shortly
1:41:35 > 1:41:40before her death. Paul Worthington denies any wrongdoing, the CPS has
1:41:40 > 1:41:44held its decision that no charges will be brought in this case is due
1:41:44 > 1:41:48to insufficient evidence and we have heard from the Independent Police
1:41:48 > 1:41:51Complaints Commission that evidence was thrown away by detectives.
1:41:51 > 1:41:56Witnesses were not interviewed for eight months. Cumbria police has
1:41:56 > 1:41:59said it deeply regrets the way the investigation was handled. That is
1:41:59 > 1:42:04why, combined with the facts you say, the first inquest only lasted
1:42:04 > 1:42:10seven minutes. The death was decided to have been unexplained, see you
1:42:10 > 1:42:13can understand why the second inquest is so important.Remind us
1:42:13 > 1:42:17of some of the evidence the coroner has been hearing over the last three
1:42:17 > 1:42:22weeks.We have heard from Poppi's mother who said that on the night of
1:42:22 > 1:42:26her death, she spent a night on the couch and join the night, she heard
1:42:26 > 1:42:30Poppi screen and she believed Paul Worthington went to check on her.
1:42:30 > 1:42:33She was woken at six o'clock in the morning, Paul Worthington said Poppi
1:42:33 > 1:42:41was not breathing and a 999 called -- call was played and we could hear
1:42:41 > 1:42:44in the background Paul Worthington carry out CPR. As we know, the
1:42:44 > 1:42:48toddler died in hospital that day. We have also heard from Paul
1:42:48 > 1:42:54Worthington himself. He was asked if he had sexually abused his daughter.
1:42:54 > 1:43:00He broke down in tears. He refused to answer. In fact, he refused to
1:43:00 > 1:43:05answer 252 questions put to him, quoting a rule which protects
1:43:05 > 1:43:09witnesses from incriminating themselves. The coroner has been
1:43:09 > 1:43:13clear he should not be criticised for exercising that right. We have
1:43:13 > 1:43:18also heard from Cumbria police. The lawyer representing Poppi's mother
1:43:18 > 1:43:24described their evidence is, people and ineffectual. If this was not
1:43:24 > 1:43:29such a tragedy, she said, one could best describe the response of
1:43:29 > 1:43:33Cumbria police as a comedy of errors. This is because we heard
1:43:33 > 1:43:38from the police officer who led the investigation, Detective Inspector
1:43:38 > 1:43:42Amanda Sadler, who said she was not correctly trained. We have heard
1:43:42 > 1:43:46from forensic and medical experts who have different opinions on
1:43:46 > 1:43:51whether or not the internal injuries Poppi had were caused by sexual
1:43:51 > 1:43:55contact is all caused by resuscitation attempts. The key
1:43:55 > 1:44:00thing is that pathologists here at the inquest have said they cannot
1:44:00 > 1:44:04determine a cause of death. So what will happen at this conclusion
1:44:04 > 1:44:08today, the coroners make it clear that inquest is not a blaming
1:44:08 > 1:44:14exercise. They say it is a fact-finding hearing. The important
1:44:14 > 1:44:17question is, will David Roberts today give the family of backs that
1:44:17 > 1:44:24they need to bring this tragic story to an end after five years? -- bring
1:44:24 > 1:44:28the family the facts. That is something we will find out this
1:44:28 > 1:44:32afternoon.Thank you and we can hear that conclusion as soon as the
1:44:32 > 1:44:37coroner begins his summing up.
1:44:37 > 1:44:40Victims of rapist John Worboys have welcomed news that the Justice
1:44:40 > 1:44:43Secretary will do "everything he can" to keep him in prison.
1:44:43 > 1:44:47The former black cab driver was jailed in 2009
1:44:47 > 1:44:49for 12 sexual assaults, although he's thought to have
1:44:49 > 1:44:50assaulted up to 100 women.
1:44:50 > 1:44:52He's due to be released from prison imminently.
1:44:52 > 1:44:54But in a highly unusual move, the newly installed
1:44:54 > 1:44:57Justice Secretary has intervened in the case, to say he is looking
1:44:57 > 1:44:59at the possibility of applying for a judicial review,
1:44:59 > 1:45:01in an effort to keep Worboys behind bars.
1:45:01 > 1:45:05I've been speaking to Adam Wagner, a human rights barrister,
1:45:05 > 1:45:07And, from Manchester, Kim Harrison, a lawyer who represents 11
1:45:07 > 1:45:09of Worboys' victims.
1:45:09 > 1:45:13I asked Kim if she welcomed the Justice Secretary's intervention.
1:45:13 > 1:45:15I do welcome it.
1:45:15 > 1:45:18I welcome it on behalf of our clients, who finally,
1:45:18 > 1:45:20for the first time since it was announced this
1:45:20 > 1:45:22man is to be released, feel their fears and concerns
1:45:22 > 1:45:26are genuinely being listened to.
1:45:26 > 1:45:33What do you think it meand, this intervention?
1:45:33 > 1:45:40It means that, on the face of it, that the Justice Minister
1:45:40 > 1:45:43is looking into whether or not there are reasonable prospects
1:45:43 > 1:45:45of success for judicial review, so it's very early days.
1:45:45 > 1:45:48I think that within the next few days he should receive that legal
1:45:48 > 1:45:52advice and then we will know whether or not he is minded to go
1:45:52 > 1:45:53ahead with that judicial review.
1:45:53 > 1:45:56Adam Wagner, is this the right move from the Justice Secretary?
1:45:56 > 1:45:58We don't really know.
1:45:58 > 1:46:05It really depends on the quality of the decision making
1:46:05 > 1:46:07by the Parole Board, because that is all confidential,
1:46:07 > 1:46:10but by law, we don't really know whether they made a good
1:46:10 > 1:46:12decision or not.
1:46:12 > 1:46:14It does seem like an odd decision to decide to release Warboys
1:46:14 > 1:46:16after a relatively short period of time after his minimum term,
1:46:16 > 1:46:19and the other point is that the Justice Secretary has
1:46:19 > 1:46:21never done this before, he has never intervened in this way
1:46:21 > 1:46:25by judicially reviewing the Parole Board decision.
1:46:25 > 1:46:26It is meant to be an independent body.
1:46:26 > 1:46:29So whether that will have knock-on effects, we don't know.
1:46:29 > 1:46:31As Kim says, it is early days.
1:46:31 > 1:46:34But in terms of the principle of the Justice Secretary
1:46:34 > 1:46:37intervening Adam Wagner, to see if there is the possibility
1:46:37 > 1:46:41of a judicial review, is that OK with you?
1:46:41 > 1:46:44I think the principle is fine, you know, judicial review
1:46:44 > 1:46:47is there for anybody who has an interest in a case
1:46:47 > 1:46:50which is quite narrowly defined, to be able to review the decision
1:46:50 > 1:46:52making in a particular case, and it is a good thing.
1:46:52 > 1:46:56Judicial review, contrary to what previous Justice Secretaries
1:46:56 > 1:46:59have said, is a good way of making sure that decision makers
1:46:59 > 1:47:01are up to scratch, and that they behave lawfully.
1:47:01 > 1:47:07So in this case, where there is significant public
1:47:07 > 1:47:09concern over Warboys, and particularly the uncharged
1:47:09 > 1:47:14offences, if that makes sense, so the ones that
1:47:14 > 1:47:19weren't investigated properly.
1:47:19 > 1:47:22I think this is an unusual case and it may require
1:47:22 > 1:47:24an unusual intervention by the Justice Secretary to make
1:47:24 > 1:47:27sure that the public are kept safe.
1:47:27 > 1:47:29Kim Harrison, you'll know that people have questioned
1:47:29 > 1:47:31the Parole Board decision on a number of counts,
1:47:31 > 1:47:34one of them being their decision might be unlawful because some
1:47:34 > 1:47:42victims weren't informed of the imminent release.
1:47:43 > 1:47:45Can you be clear with the 11 women that you represent,
1:47:45 > 1:47:48were any of the 11 contacted with news he was to be released?
1:47:48 > 1:47:49Not in advance.
1:47:49 > 1:47:53All of them found out via the media, via social media or friends.
1:47:53 > 1:48:01In relation to the women that we represent, three of them
1:48:05 > 1:48:08are conviction cases, so Warboys was convicted
1:48:08 > 1:48:10in relation to three of them.
1:48:10 > 1:48:13The others were told by the Crown Prosecution Service
1:48:13 > 1:48:15they didn't need to be added to the indictment, because Warboys
1:48:15 > 1:48:19would be going to be locked up for such a long period of time
1:48:19 > 1:48:24they didn't need to prosecute in those cases.
1:48:24 > 1:48:26So they are in the grey area where they are not victims
1:48:26 > 1:48:30where there has been a conviction, so they don't have the right to opt
1:48:30 > 1:48:31into that victim contact scheme.
1:48:31 > 1:48:35We know there are 93 women in that grey area,
1:48:35 > 1:48:38and surely their views must be kept into account in some way.
1:48:38 > 1:48:40But in relation to the three conviction cases, no,
1:48:40 > 1:48:42despite some of them opting into the victim contact
1:48:42 > 1:48:44scheme they didn't hear from the Parole Board
1:48:44 > 1:48:46about his release, they heard from the media.
1:48:46 > 1:48:47That is just unacceptable.
1:48:47 > 1:48:50Of those three, was it, all three that were in had opted
1:48:50 > 1:48:52in to find out news about Worboys?
1:48:52 > 1:48:55I know of at least one who did opt in, and who wasn't informed.
1:48:55 > 1:49:01In relation to the other two, I would have to check,
1:49:01 > 1:49:04but I know with at least one that is the case, and she has been
1:49:04 > 1:49:07devastated by the way in which she was informed.
1:49:07 > 1:49:09Do you think the safety of these women might be
1:49:09 > 1:49:10compromised by his release?
1:49:10 > 1:49:12It might be.
1:49:12 > 1:49:18The safety of those women might be, the safety of other women as well.
1:49:18 > 1:49:26We know that Worboys kept a book with addresses
1:49:26 > 1:49:29of some of his victims in - that was something that was adduced
1:49:29 > 1:49:30in evidence in the criminal trial.
1:49:30 > 1:49:34Many of these women are very concerned that he may
1:49:34 > 1:49:37still know their addresses.
1:49:37 > 1:49:40He was a London cab driver for a very long period of time.
1:49:40 > 1:49:43You have to to have a high level of knowledge of London to pass
1:49:43 > 1:49:47the Knowledge to be a London cab driver, and so they are very
1:49:47 > 1:49:49concerned about him being allowed back in to London, and I believe
1:49:49 > 1:49:53the mayor, Sadiq Khan, has said he is not happy with the idea
1:49:53 > 1:49:56of Worboys being allowed to reside in London if he is to be released.
1:49:56 > 1:49:59Adam Wagner, is the immediate impact of the Justice Secretary seeing
1:49:59 > 1:50:01if a judicial review is a possibility that the Worboys
1:50:01 > 1:50:07release is paused, at least for a while?
1:50:07 > 1:50:15I think saying there is so much in the background here,
1:50:15 > 1:50:18that it is going to drag on a bit, and there's an element,
1:50:18 > 1:50:21I think, of people are angry at the Parole Board,
1:50:21 > 1:50:24but I think there is a lot of anger at the police and about how
1:50:24 > 1:50:28they dealt with the original investigations, and as we know,
1:50:28 > 1:50:30there is a high-profile human rights case which is still going on,
1:50:30 > 1:50:32about whether those victims could get compensation
1:50:32 > 1:50:36from the police, and ultimately, I think, with the Parole Board,
1:50:36 > 1:50:40they can only play what they've in front of them, and if the police
1:50:40 > 1:50:42didn't investigate a lot of the offences properly,
1:50:42 > 1:50:45and didn't given the information to the CPS to be able to prosecute,
1:50:45 > 1:50:47then the anger which people are feeling towards
1:50:47 > 1:50:52the Parole Board may be really be about that investigation.
1:50:52 > 1:50:55I think in that circumstance we will see probably quite a long delay
1:50:55 > 1:50:57before there is some kind of resolution here.
1:50:57 > 1:50:58Thank you both.
1:50:58 > 1:51:06Thank you very much for coming on the programme.
1:51:11 > 1:51:14The Ukip leader has dumped his girlfriend over the comments she
1:51:14 > 1:51:19made about Meghan Markle.
1:51:19 > 1:51:21Jo Marney reportedly called black people ugly and said
1:51:21 > 1:51:28Prince Harry's fiancee would taint the royal family.
1:51:28 > 1:51:31Henry Bolton said he wouldn't resign.
1:51:31 > 1:51:33We've together made the decision that the romantic element
1:51:33 > 1:51:36of our relationship should end.
1:51:36 > 1:51:41She is utterly distraught, close to break down over all of this.
1:51:41 > 1:51:45She never intended these comments to ever be made public,
1:51:45 > 1:51:51they were made some time ago, and indeed, although utterly
1:51:51 > 1:51:53indefensible, there is some context to them, which in time
1:51:53 > 1:51:55will be revealed.
1:51:55 > 1:51:58But the fact is that I'm going to be supporting her family
1:51:58 > 1:52:06and supporting her in rebuilding her life going forward.
1:52:07 > 1:52:15Let's hear what members of his own party think.
1:52:16 > 1:52:18Bill Etheridge is West Midlands Ukip MEP.
1:52:18 > 1:52:21And joining me here in the studio is Peter Whittle Ukip spokesperson
1:52:21 > 1:52:24for London Assembly.
1:52:24 > 1:52:29Is he right not to resign?No, he's wrong. He has been wrong all the way
1:52:29 > 1:52:34through. Not only has he handled this situation badly, but now he
1:52:34 > 1:52:36thinks that by throwing a relationship with this young lady
1:52:36 > 1:52:40under the bus he can save his skin and frankly, it is yet another
1:52:40 > 1:52:45example of this man not knowing what he's doing. There are hard-working
1:52:45 > 1:52:48activists out there battling for Ukip and Brexit every day and they
1:52:48 > 1:52:51are being distracted and diverted and slowed down by the foolish
1:52:51 > 1:52:56antics of this man who has done nothing to get into the media other
1:52:56 > 1:52:59than have a scandal. He is a political lightweight and needs to
1:52:59 > 1:53:02go and let us get on with the business of Brexit and representing
1:53:02 > 1:53:07the British people.Peter, do you agree?Well, I think the problem
1:53:07 > 1:53:11really here is that the whole process is not really over in the
1:53:11 > 1:53:15sense that despite what Henry said this morning and I think he didn't
1:53:15 > 1:53:18go far enough actually, he said he was going to leave the romantic part
1:53:18 > 1:53:23of the relationship. I think he should have nothing more to do with
1:53:23 > 1:53:30her, but then he has to go up in front of our NEC on Sunday and
1:53:30 > 1:53:34that's crunch time.Is he going to last until Sunday?I think what
1:53:34 > 1:53:38he'll have to do is basically show the members that he can kind of
1:53:38 > 1:53:42regain their trust. It's a very, very big task. There is no question
1:53:42 > 1:53:48about it. I would disagree with Bill, what Bill is saying we should
1:53:48 > 1:53:53have a leadership contest. We have got local elections coming up in
1:53:53 > 1:53:58May, hugely important, we've got a weak government that is basically
1:53:58 > 1:54:01reneging on Brexit, nobody talks about migration anymore. Those are
1:54:01 > 1:54:06the things that we have actually got to be concentrating on. This is a
1:54:06 > 1:54:10distraction, but I think a leadership race at the moment would
1:54:10 > 1:54:15be one hell of a distraction. I don't see how that will possibly
1:54:15 > 1:54:19benefit anyone.Do you really want a fifth leadership contest in just
1:54:19 > 1:54:23over a year?Well, I'm one of the councillors as well as being an MEP
1:54:23 > 1:54:27who is up for election in May. I've actually been out there campaigning
1:54:27 > 1:54:30and talking to people only this weekend and the point is, if we want
1:54:30 > 1:54:34it get the message out there about our policies, we don't want to have
1:54:34 > 1:54:39on our doorstep the conversation about our ineffective and useless
1:54:39 > 1:54:44leader's life. We need to be getting this party back on track. Today I
1:54:44 > 1:54:49will be resigning my pokes as a spokesman within Henry's group
1:54:49 > 1:54:54leadership team, however I want to phrase it and I will be calling on
1:54:54 > 1:54:58our members to e-mail the NEC telling them you want this man gone.
1:54:58 > 1:55:01A bad leader is no good. It would be better to have someone else in place
1:55:01 > 1:55:05or a team of people if place rather than having this man dragging us
1:55:05 > 1:55:09down, distracting us from the job at hand.Does it matter who is the
1:55:09 > 1:55:15leader? Your share went from 12.8% in 2015, your share of the vote at
1:55:15 > 1:55:19that general election to over 1% in 2017, it doesn't matter who leads
1:55:19 > 1:55:23the party, you're a busted flush, some of our audience are saying?
1:55:23 > 1:55:26Well, it clearly does matter who is leader of the party. Nigel Farage
1:55:26 > 1:55:30was leader when we had the good result and then he had gone when we
1:55:30 > 1:55:32had the bad result and the leadership team that took over
1:55:32 > 1:55:36didn't do a good job. So it does matter. The important thing is we
1:55:36 > 1:55:39take an optimistic point of view and say Ukip is here to represent the
1:55:39 > 1:55:43British people on a range of things, but particularly, Brexit. Which is
1:55:43 > 1:55:47currently being sold out by the day by the Government, we should be
1:55:47 > 1:55:50battling for that and I'll be going around the country all of our
1:55:50 > 1:55:54branches, rallies, public meetings just like I did at the weekend and I
1:55:54 > 1:55:57urge our prominent people in the party to do the same, get out there
1:55:57 > 1:56:00and get people really focussed on understanding that freeing our
1:56:00 > 1:56:03country from the EU is number one priority and let's get out there.
1:56:03 > 1:56:08OK. Bill is resigning his position in Henry Bolton's leadership team, I
1:56:08 > 1:56:11don't know what difference that will make to Henry Bolton?It is not
1:56:11 > 1:56:14really about individual egos and everything and this party is bigger
1:56:14 > 1:56:19actually than just one man.Not anymore?Yes, it is. The point is
1:56:19 > 1:56:24this - is that we, when we didn't have any elected representatives I
1:56:24 > 1:56:27would add, we moved political mountains. I think most people would
1:56:27 > 1:56:31agree with that. We have got the referendum. We helped win the
1:56:31 > 1:56:35referendum. I say we played a vital role in that.We have had the
1:56:35 > 1:56:40referendum and there is no need for you anymore?That was only the first
1:56:40 > 1:56:44battle. It has been shown to us every single day. We have got to be
1:56:44 > 1:56:50there and of course, these things are terrible distractions. I was
1:56:50 > 1:56:54very, very angry at the latest one and it is giving people like you in
1:56:54 > 1:56:57the media a huge amount to talk about, but at the same time we have
1:56:57 > 1:57:04got to make sure that this party survives and that it doesn't become
1:57:04 > 1:57:14aicationuality of the endless distractions.Thank you both.
1:57:14 > 1:57:19Thank you both.
1:57:19 > 1:57:23I have some comments from you about being a teenageage parent, but
1:57:23 > 1:57:26unfortunately my tablet has frozen, so we will speak to Meryl in
1:57:26 > 1:57:31Yorkshire now. Hi, Meryl. How are you?I'm good, thank you.How old
1:57:31 > 1:57:35were you when you gave birth?I was 18. Peu was 17 when I became
1:57:35 > 1:57:40pregnant and I was 18 when I gave birth.Were you judged?Yes, it was
1:57:40 > 1:57:48a long time ago. It was 45 years ago. And 45 years ago, young girls
1:57:48 > 1:57:53didn't get pregnant. My husband and I decided that we wanted to get
1:57:53 > 1:57:57married. My parents were very unusual for that time because they
1:57:57 > 1:58:02told me that they would support me whatever I decided whether to keep
1:58:02 > 1:58:06the baby or not or get married or whatever. We decided to get married.
1:58:06 > 1:58:11My husband and I. We are now, we have two children. We have six
1:58:11 > 1:58:18grandchildren. We are very happy. It hadn't been a bed of roses, but we
1:58:18 > 1:58:22worked at it, but at the time, yes I was judged.Meryl, at that point I
1:58:22 > 1:58:28have got to pause it. I'm sorry, but I'm really grateful for your input,
1:58:28 > 1:58:31thank you for coming on the programme. Thank