18/01/2018

0:00:08 > 0:00:10Hello it's Thursday, it's 9am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

0:00:10 > 0:00:11welcome to the programme.

0:00:11 > 0:00:14An extra £44.5 million for border controls in France.

0:00:14 > 0:00:17That's what Theresa May will promise to pay at a meeting today with

0:00:17 > 0:00:25French President Emmanuel Macron.

0:00:25 > 0:00:29More cash flow Calais, but is that because Mrs May needs president

0:00:29 > 0:00:32Macron's backing for a Brexit deal?

0:00:32 > 0:00:35Does this mean an end to migrants camping out at Calais trying

0:00:35 > 0:00:37to get here to the UK?

0:00:37 > 0:00:38We'll find out.

0:00:38 > 0:00:41Parts of the UK are being battered by strong winds and snow.

0:00:41 > 0:00:43We'll have the latest on the disruption to roads and schools.

0:00:43 > 0:00:46And England's top prosecutors meet, to talk about the collapse

0:00:46 > 0:00:47of a number of recent rape trials.

0:00:47 > 0:00:50One defendant told us how his life had been ruined,

0:00:50 > 0:00:58because evidence which cleared him was not disclosed earlier.

0:01:01 > 0:01:03The last two years, I've just spent worrying,

0:01:03 > 0:01:07so it has ripped apart my personal life.

0:01:07 > 0:01:10We'll speak to the lawyer of man who's rape trail collapsed this week

0:01:10 > 0:01:12after photos emerged of the complainant cuddling

0:01:12 > 0:01:18the defendant in bed.

0:01:28 > 0:01:32Hello.

0:01:32 > 0:01:33It is Thursday already.

0:01:33 > 0:01:36Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11am this morning.

0:01:36 > 0:01:39We're also talking about breast cancer screening this

0:01:39 > 0:01:41morning after researchers in London suggested all women should be

0:01:41 > 0:01:43tested for the so-called "Angelina Jolie gene"

0:01:43 > 0:01:44mutations to the BCRA gene.

0:01:44 > 0:01:51For all women over the age of 30.

0:01:53 > 0:01:56If you carry of the faulty gene, or you've been tested for it,

0:01:56 > 0:01:58we'd love to hear from you this morning.

0:01:58 > 0:02:02Irrespective of your age. What kind of information did you get from the

0:02:02 > 0:02:05screening? How has it impacted on your behaviour? What have you done

0:02:05 > 0:02:07about it?

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0:02:28 > 0:02:31Our top story today, Britain is to increase its contribution

0:02:31 > 0:02:33towards border controls in France by 44-and-a-half million pounds,

0:02:33 > 0:02:34and commit to taking more migrants.

0:02:34 > 0:02:37The money will be spent on fencing, security cameras and body scanners

0:02:37 > 0:02:39at Calais and other Channel ports.

0:02:39 > 0:02:41The deal will be announced at a UK-French summit this

0:02:41 > 0:02:44afternoon, at which Theresa May will conclude a series of agreements

0:02:44 > 0:02:45with President Emmanuel Macron.

0:02:45 > 0:02:47Their meeting is being seen as the most important

0:02:47 > 0:02:48for several years, as our Diplomatic Correspondent,

0:02:48 > 0:02:49James Robbins, reports.

0:02:49 > 0:02:52This summit is very deliberately being held at Sandhurst, Britain's

0:02:52 > 0:02:53military academy for officer cadets.

0:02:53 > 0:02:56The venue underlines the fact that Britain and France are the key

0:02:56 > 0:02:58military powers in Europe, used to working together and today,

0:02:58 > 0:02:59committing to greater cooperation.

0:02:59 > 0:03:02Even if the background to all of this, of course, is Brexit.

0:03:02 > 0:03:04And in other ways, Britain and France are

0:03:04 > 0:03:06heading in very different directions.

0:03:06 > 0:03:08Under pressure from President Macron, Theresa May will

0:03:08 > 0:03:10take on some migrants stuck in Calais and desperate to cross the

0:03:10 > 0:03:15Channel.

0:03:15 > 0:03:17So, expect more unaccompanied children to be allowed

0:03:17 > 0:03:20into Britain as well as adults who successfully argue that their

0:03:20 > 0:03:23admission will reunify families.

0:03:23 > 0:03:25But the longer-term deals will focus on defence.

0:03:25 > 0:03:27Britain is sending three British Chinook

0:03:27 > 0:03:28helicopters to Mali, they're large troop

0:03:28 > 0:03:36carrying aircraft which the

0:03:36 > 0:03:38French badly lack in their fight against Islamists.

0:03:38 > 0:03:39So, Britain will broaden its military

0:03:39 > 0:03:47involvement in Africa without committing troops.

0:03:47 > 0:03:49In return, France will back-up British forces in the

0:03:49 > 0:03:50Baltic states of Estonia.

0:03:50 > 0:03:51There, confronting the potential Russian threat.

0:03:51 > 0:03:56James Robbins, BBC News.

0:03:56 > 0:03:59In a moment we'll get the thoughts of our political guru Norman Smith

0:03:59 > 0:04:01but first our correspondent Hugh Schofield is in Paris.

0:04:01 > 0:04:07How much is this to do with Brexit? It has and it hasn't. The French are

0:04:07 > 0:04:12quite clear that there is Brexit and there is the bilateral relationship.

0:04:12 > 0:04:16And near the twain shall meet. At this meeting today, it's clear that

0:04:16 > 0:04:21on the face of it it is dominated by things related to the bilateral

0:04:21 > 0:04:25relationship. Calais is a bilateral... The agreement which is

0:04:25 > 0:04:29all about the border controls, that is a two-way outside the EU

0:04:29 > 0:04:33agreement in France and Britain. Security and defence. The extremely

0:04:33 > 0:04:40important part of this meeting as all summits, it is not part of the

0:04:40 > 0:04:46EU. Lots to talk about. Both countries have an interest in seeing

0:04:46 > 0:04:48the bilateral relationship, which predated the EU and will outlast the

0:04:48 > 0:04:56EU, is still very much on track. There's no way you can say that

0:04:56 > 0:04:59these talks will contain, you give us a bit on Calais and we will be

0:04:59 > 0:05:03kinder on passport rights for British banks. That's not the way it

0:05:03 > 0:05:07works. But in the background, of course, there is the whole Brexit

0:05:07 > 0:05:11debate. And the wrangling, which will go on for another two or three

0:05:11 > 0:05:18years over that. Indirectly, the relationship which is forged three

0:05:18 > 0:05:25meetings like this and the bilateral relationship, will have an impact on

0:05:25 > 0:05:30the longer and more arduous Brexit talks.-- forged through meetings.

0:05:30 > 0:05:33Norman, how important is today's meeting with Theresa May?It's

0:05:33 > 0:05:39important, not just because of keeping the deal on Calais, which,

0:05:39 > 0:05:42you know, British politicians view as an unbelievably good deal.

0:05:42 > 0:05:46Because, basically, it means our border controls are not at Dover,

0:05:46 > 0:05:50they are on French soil in Calais. From the British perspective, we are

0:05:50 > 0:05:54desperate to keep that deal. Many British politicians have always been

0:05:54 > 0:05:59quite amazed that the French have been prepared to stick by it. An

0:05:59 > 0:06:04extra 44 million quid? Yeah, we will pay that, that's fine. The other

0:06:04 > 0:06:07part of this meeting, which is crucial, the personal dynamic

0:06:07 > 0:06:12between Theresa May and President Macron. The lunch when the two sit

0:06:12 > 0:06:16down together is absolutely pivotal, not necessarily because there will

0:06:16 > 0:06:20be any particular deal on Brexit, but because of how they get on. It

0:06:20 > 0:06:23is quite clear from the British government's perspective that they

0:06:23 > 0:06:28think the best route to getting a good deal on Brexit is to bypass the

0:06:28 > 0:06:31European Commission and get individual countries sympathetic

0:06:31 > 0:06:35on-board with Britain. Which is why we saw David Davis and Philip

0:06:35 > 0:06:39Hammond going over to Germany just the other week to smooth and the

0:06:39 > 0:06:44Germans. Mrs May will hope to strike up a friendly and convivial

0:06:44 > 0:06:48relationship with President Macron, hoping that cometh the hour, he will

0:06:48 > 0:06:52adopt a more sympathetic approach to Britain when it comes to those

0:06:52 > 0:06:55crucial Brexit trade negotiations. Thank you. More on that throughout

0:06:55 > 0:07:00the morning. Let's have the rest of the morning's news.

0:07:00 > 0:07:02Annita is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

0:07:02 > 0:07:04of the rest of the days news.

0:07:04 > 0:07:05Taxpayers owe private companies £199 billion

0:07:05 > 0:07:07for schemes set up under Private Finance Initiatives,

0:07:07 > 0:07:09according to the government's spending watchdog.

0:07:09 > 0:07:11The National Audit office found 716 deals were currently

0:07:11 > 0:07:14operational under PFI and its successor, PF2,

0:07:14 > 0:07:16with annual costs amounting to more than £10 billion.

0:07:16 > 0:07:18The government says both schemes improved public services.

0:07:18 > 0:07:20The report was written before the collapse of Carillion,

0:07:20 > 0:07:28which held a number of contracts, including some under PFI schemes.

0:07:33 > 0:07:36Heavy snow fall is continuing to cause problems in parts

0:07:36 > 0:07:38of Scotland and northern England, with drivers warned to proceed

0:07:38 > 0:07:41with "extreme caution" while on the roads.

0:07:41 > 0:07:43While travel warnings have been downgraded police say

0:07:43 > 0:07:45there is still the likelihood of disruption and delays.

0:07:45 > 0:07:47Elsewhere, severe gales and heavy rain are affecting

0:07:47 > 0:07:48other parts of the UK.

0:07:48 > 0:07:51Some areas reported gusts of up to 70 miles per hour.

0:07:51 > 0:07:58More than 10,000 homes have been left without power in Essex.

0:08:00 > 0:08:03There are calls for all women over the age of 30 to be screened

0:08:03 > 0:08:06for a faulty gene linked to higher rates of breast and ovarian cancer.

0:08:06 > 0:08:09Research by the Barts Cancer Institute in London found testing

0:08:09 > 0:08:17would prevent thousands of cancers, and be cost-effective for the NHS.

0:08:19 > 0:08:21It's emerged that residents of a privately-owned tower

0:08:21 > 0:08:24block in south London with the same cladding

0:08:24 > 0:08:27as Grenfell Tower may be forced to pay up to £2 million

0:08:27 > 0:08:28for replacement panels.

0:08:28 > 0:08:31The company, which manages Citiscape in Croydon,

0:08:31 > 0:08:32which failed a fire safety test following the disaster,

0:08:32 > 0:08:34said it was "committed to minimising" costs.

0:08:34 > 0:08:37It will take the case to a property tribunal next month,

0:08:37 > 0:08:41to determine who should foot the bill.

0:08:41 > 0:08:43Scotland Yard says it's investigating a third complaint

0:08:43 > 0:08:47of sexual assault against the actor, Kevin Spacey.

0:08:47 > 0:08:49The allegation relates to an incident

0:08:49 > 0:08:50in Westminster in 2005.

0:08:50 > 0:08:52Kevin Spacey, who has not been charged with any offences, has

0:08:52 > 0:08:58denied previous claims against him.

0:08:58 > 0:09:01Patient safety in Accident and Emergency Units in Wales

0:09:01 > 0:09:02is being compromised to an "unacceptable degree"

0:09:02 > 0:09:06according to hospital consultants.

0:09:06 > 0:09:10A group of 46 doctors is warning of the risks in a letter sent

0:09:10 > 0:09:12to the First Minister, which has been seen by BBC News.

0:09:12 > 0:09:20Our Wales Correspondent Sian Lloyd reports.

0:09:21 > 0:09:25We have heard warnings of emergency units in other parts of the UK

0:09:25 > 0:09:28being at breaking point and this time it's the turn of doctors

0:09:28 > 0:09:29in Wales to speak out.

0:09:29 > 0:09:32The group of consultants who have written to the Welsh First Minister

0:09:32 > 0:09:37believe the situation here is the worst it has ever been.

0:09:37 > 0:09:41This is hugely concerning.

0:09:41 > 0:09:44We are seeing staff members, that are coming into work,

0:09:44 > 0:09:47the staff are the glue that holds the NHS together, the staff

0:09:47 > 0:09:51are coming in, doing their shifts and sometimes going home in tears.

0:09:51 > 0:09:53We have patients in the department where we don't

0:09:53 > 0:09:54have space to see them.

0:09:54 > 0:09:58We come back the next day and some of the patients are still here.

0:09:58 > 0:10:00The monthly performance figures for Wales will be

0:10:00 > 0:10:01published later this morning.

0:10:01 > 0:10:03But in this letter, consultants warn the First Minister that the four

0:10:03 > 0:10:07hour target times for Wales' best performing hospitals are similar

0:10:07 > 0:10:08to those from some of the worst-performing

0:10:08 > 0:10:09hospitals in England.

0:10:09 > 0:10:15It acknowledges efforts have been made to plan for winter

0:10:15 > 0:10:18pressures, including more investment but says it's simply not enough.

0:10:18 > 0:10:21Patient safety is being compromised, the doctors say, and the letter

0:10:21 > 0:10:23calls for a significant increase in funding.

0:10:23 > 0:10:26Those in charge of the NHS in Wales say it has been

0:10:26 > 0:10:27a very challenging winter with demand exceeding expectations.

0:10:27 > 0:10:35They believe there are signs that things are improving.

0:10:39 > 0:10:40The European Court of Human

0:10:40 > 0:10:44Rights is due to rule in the case of 100 leading athletes challenging a

0:10:44 > 0:10:47requirement for them to advise anti-doping officials of their

0:10:47 > 0:10:51whereabouts at all times. The group claims the regime violates their

0:10:51 > 0:10:55privacy and is contrary to their freedom of movement. If the case

0:10:55 > 0:10:59succeeds, the world anti-doping agency would face a crisis, as it

0:10:59 > 0:11:03can't appeal against the ruling.

0:11:03 > 0:11:06A survey by an educational charity suggests some parents are subsiding

0:11:06 > 0:11:08a childcare scheme for three and four year olds in England,

0:11:08 > 0:11:10which the government says is free.

0:11:10 > 0:11:13Since September, parents working more than 16 hours a week have been

0:11:13 > 0:11:15able to claim 30 hours of free childcare.

0:11:15 > 0:11:17But the majority of nursery providers say they're struggling

0:11:17 > 0:11:25to cover their costs.

0:11:29 > 0:11:31Police in Portugal and Spain have broken up an international

0:11:31 > 0:11:33drug smuggling ring.

0:11:33 > 0:11:35That used boxes of fruit to bring

0:11:35 > 0:11:36in cocaine from South America.

0:11:36 > 0:11:38Authorities found more than 700 kilogrammes

0:11:38 > 0:11:40of the drug hidden in pineapples packed in shipping containers.

0:11:40 > 0:11:41Nine people have been arrested.

0:11:41 > 0:11:43The actor Peter Wyngarde, who played the flamboyant 60s

0:11:43 > 0:11:49crime-fighter Jason King, has died aged 90.

0:11:49 > 0:11:52Wyngarde shot to fame in the series "Department S" but was also

0:11:52 > 0:11:53a prolific stage actor and director.

0:11:53 > 0:11:55His agent described Wyngard as the most extraordinary

0:11:55 > 0:12:02man he had ever met.

0:12:02 > 0:12:05That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30am.

0:12:05 > 0:12:07Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

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0:12:14 > 0:12:17Let's get some sport...

0:12:17 > 0:12:21The main British hope that the Australian open is already out?Yes,

0:12:21 > 0:12:26Johanna Konta, the number nine seed in the women's singles, high hopes

0:12:26 > 0:12:30for my Melbourne, she played really well in previous years. Despite the

0:12:30 > 0:12:34fact she was out of form of late and was working with a new coach at this

0:12:34 > 0:12:37year's Australian Open, it won't mean that her defeat overnight isn't

0:12:37 > 0:12:43a disappointment for her.

0:12:43 > 0:12:46She was shocked really by the World Number 123

0:12:46 > 0:12:47Bernarda Perera in the second round.

0:12:47 > 0:12:50The American took it 6-4, 7-5 to get what's only her second

0:12:50 > 0:12:55win in a Grand Slam.

0:12:55 > 0:12:57Konta would have hoped for more as the Number 9 seed,

0:12:57 > 0:13:00who has reached the quarters and the semi finals on her last two

0:13:00 > 0:13:03visits to Melbourne - but maybe the pressure has told

0:13:03 > 0:13:05for her she's actually only won three of her 11

0:13:05 > 0:13:06matches since reaching

0:13:06 > 0:13:07the Wimbledon semi finals last July...

0:13:07 > 0:13:12It's a bit frustrating. But, also, I think... I'm still taking good stuff

0:13:12 > 0:13:20from this. I'm not... I don't feel... By any means that it's a

0:13:20 > 0:13:24massive catastrophe. Obviously, I play every event to be there to the

0:13:24 > 0:13:31end. So I definitely don't want to be going home this early. But I

0:13:31 > 0:13:35think, in terms of building myself back up again and playing the way

0:13:35 > 0:13:42want to I think I keep moving forward.

0:13:42 > 0:13:45There was a better day for six-time champion Novak DJokovic who battled

0:13:45 > 0:13:48back from a set down in 39 degree heat to come past Gael Monfils

0:13:48 > 0:13:49to reach Round 3.

0:13:49 > 0:13:51The Frenchman complained of dizziness and needed treatment

0:13:51 > 0:13:54from the doctor at one point.

0:13:54 > 0:13:55Due to the heat.

0:13:55 > 0:13:57Temperatures are likely to exceed 40 degrees tomorrow.

0:13:57 > 0:14:02When Britain's Kyle Edmund will be in third round action...

0:14:03 > 0:14:09His mum is reminding him to use as much sun block as possible.Good mum

0:14:09 > 0:14:13pegs we talked a lot about the video system referee. Some love it but

0:14:13 > 0:14:18some are not happy.Have we seen the first controversy? Quite possibly.

0:14:18 > 0:14:23Yesterday morning we were praising the video assistant referee system

0:14:23 > 0:14:27after that was responsible for awarding the first goal in English

0:14:27 > 0:14:39football but maybe we saw the negative side last night.

0:14:39 > 0:14:421-1 after 90 minutes the game went to extra time with Chelsea's Willian

0:14:42 > 0:14:44seemingly fouled in the penalty area.

0:14:44 > 0:14:46The referee booked him for diving

0:14:46 > 0:14:49and the decision remained no penalty after being checked.

0:14:49 > 0:14:52It meant the tie went all the way to penalties with Eden Hazard

0:14:52 > 0:14:54scoring the decisive spot-kick at Stamford Bridge but all

0:14:54 > 0:14:56the discussion afterwards was about VAR with Alan Shearer

0:14:56 > 0:15:02clearly not a fan.

0:15:02 > 0:15:08You can see why I was very doubtful about it. It is a shambles. Four

0:15:08 > 0:15:12former footballers here, Jermaine Jenas, five. We fear -- we think it

0:15:12 > 0:15:16is a clear and obvious penalty and he looks for diving axeman who on

0:15:16 > 0:15:19earth is looking at that screen at Stockley Park and doesn't think that

0:15:19 > 0:15:23is a penalty! -- e-books him for diving! It is someone else's

0:15:23 > 0:15:29opinion, that is why it is a shambles. -- he books him for

0:15:29 > 0:15:29diving!

0:15:29 > 0:15:32Well things were a lot clearer as League One leaders Wigan shocked

0:15:32 > 0:15:35Bournemouth of the Premier League with a comfortable 3-0 win -

0:15:35 > 0:15:38they'll take on another top flight side, West Ham in the fourth round.

0:15:38 > 0:15:42In the night's other game Swansea beat Wolves 2-1.

0:15:42 > 0:15:45And you can watch the highlights of both games on the BBC

0:15:46 > 0:15:48Briefly, Ben Stokes is back for England, the England cricket team

0:15:48 > 0:15:53and some people really unhappy about that?

0:15:53 > 0:15:56The ECB has made a choice that has drawn plenty of criticism...

0:15:56 > 0:15:58Ben Stokes as we know was not considered for England's Ashes Tour

0:15:58 > 0:16:01defeat because he was under police investigation following an incident

0:16:01 > 0:16:05outside of a Bristol nightclub back in September of last year.

0:16:05 > 0:16:08But a few days ago, Stokes was charged with affray but the ECB

0:16:08 > 0:16:10have decided to bring him back.

0:16:10 > 0:16:14It's likely he'll play in their series in New Zealand next month.

0:16:14 > 0:16:16Former England captain Nasser Hussain saying

0:16:16 > 0:16:19in his newspaper column today that Stokes should not have been brought

0:16:19 > 0:16:22back until his case had ended and all the details were known.

0:16:22 > 0:16:30England's head coach Trevor Bayliss, has given his view on the situation.

0:16:34 > 0:16:38From my point of view it was a Board decision. They've kept me up to date

0:16:38 > 0:16:44pretty much with what is going on. I am happy with the decision made and

0:16:44 > 0:16:51fully understand why it was made. As I said, with the rest of the players

0:16:51 > 0:16:55and Ben himself it is a complex situation, one that has not been

0:16:55 > 0:17:01easy to work through. We are coming out of the other end of it and

0:17:01 > 0:17:05hopefully we can get on with the cricket.Ben Stokes says he's

0:17:05 > 0:17:09looking forward to being back, England probably need him, he was

0:17:09 > 0:17:14named in the one-day and Twenty20 teams so quality player who will be

0:17:14 > 0:17:20back soon. Thank you, Hugh.

0:17:23 > 0:17:26back soon. Thank you, Hugh. Hundreds of people are still congregating in

0:17:26 > 0:17:31the so-called Jungle migrant camp in Cali, hoping to cross to the UK.

0:17:31 > 0:17:33Today Theresa May will promise even more UK money to tackle

0:17:33 > 0:17:36the issue when she meets the French President Emmanuel Macron

0:17:36 > 0:17:37at a major summit in London.

0:17:37 > 0:17:45In moment we'll discuss whether the extra money -

0:17:49 > 0:17:50£44.5 million, is the answer.

0:17:50 > 0:17:53First here is an extract from a film made by our reporter Catrin Nye

0:17:53 > 0:17:55about when she visited the area last year.

0:17:55 > 0:17:58Calais is a darker place than I have ever seen it.

0:17:58 > 0:18:00This is my fifth time reporting here and it is more

0:18:00 > 0:18:02hostile.

0:18:02 > 0:18:05More desperate.

0:18:05 > 0:18:13Colder, wetter, miserable.

0:18:13 > 0:18:14I promise you one thing.

0:18:14 > 0:18:15This place will never get finished.

0:18:15 > 0:18:18This scrap of land used to be home to more than

0:18:18 > 0:18:197,000 people.

0:18:19 > 0:18:22This is what remains of The Jungle now.

0:18:22 > 0:18:29Not very much.

0:18:29 > 0:18:30In October 2016, French authorities cleared the

0:18:30 > 0:18:36camp known as The Jungle.

0:18:36 > 0:18:40But people have kept on coming.

0:18:40 > 0:18:43Some back from centres they were dispersed to.

0:18:43 > 0:18:48Finding new places to set up temporary home.

0:18:48 > 0:18:53So now The Jungle has gone, dozens of people

0:18:53 > 0:18:54every night are sleeping between these massive

0:18:54 > 0:19:00mounds of industrial waste in the middle of Calais.

0:19:00 > 0:19:03Charities estimate that up to 700 people are here now, many again

0:19:03 > 0:19:06pitching tents in the woods for shelter.

0:19:06 > 0:19:08But the police are constantly pulling these down

0:19:08 > 0:19:13because they do not want new camps here.

0:19:13 > 0:19:17So how do you solve a problem like Calais?

0:19:17 > 0:19:25Let's speak to Jean-Paul Mulot, Permanent Representative to the UK

0:19:26 > 0:19:28of the Hauts-de-France region, which covers Calais.

0:19:28 > 0:19:29Tony Smith, Former Head

0:19:29 > 0:19:31of the UK Border Force and Josie Naughton,

0:19:31 > 0:19:33Founder of Help Refugees UK.

0:19:33 > 0:19:37Welcome to you all. Let's talk about the extra security measures the

0:19:37 > 0:19:42money Britain is giving to France will pay for, and what you think of.

0:19:42 > 0:19:46Extra fencing, extra CCTV, what difference will it make.Quite a

0:19:46 > 0:19:53lot. We always had money but Vella two issues. One is immigration and

0:19:53 > 0:20:01the other is trade. So what are to do

0:20:01 > 0:20:05do is to protect them, 30 million tourists travel across the Channel

0:20:05 > 0:20:08every year and 40 million trucks. On the other side there is the migrant

0:20:08 > 0:20:14crisis with the security we need to provide. £50 million sounds a lot,

0:20:14 > 0:20:22but I'm just going to give you figure. At the moment you have the

0:20:22 > 0:20:29cost, just to pay them is exactly that amount, £50 million.So the

0:20:29 > 0:20:37money isn't going to go far.I know people always criticise it but...As

0:20:37 > 0:20:42an organisation working on the ground, us, this seems to be this

0:20:42 > 0:20:45batting of responsibility between the French and the British as to

0:20:45 > 0:20:50whose problem it is. I think the answer is, it is both of their

0:20:50 > 0:20:54problem and the response on the ground, the organisations on the

0:20:54 > 0:20:59ground both French and British, this money going towards security is not

0:20:59 > 0:21:05going to solve the problem. What is needed as asylum process. That goes

0:21:05 > 0:21:08for people who will be staying in France and those coming to the UK

0:21:08 > 0:21:12because they have a legal right with family here, and accommodations are

0:21:12 > 0:21:18people and sleeping in the cold in December, 15-year-old boy who had a

0:21:18 > 0:21:27legal right to be with his family in the UK and wasn't able to have the

0:21:27 > 0:21:31right, our team was notified, nothing was done and he lost his

0:21:31 > 0:21:41life.He was hit by a truck.By a car, gas. If money had been spent,

0:21:41 > 0:21:43on accommodation to protect vulnerable people, maybe that would

0:21:43 > 0:21:55not have happened.We all want to solve this is you, the French

0:21:55 > 0:22:03president actually said, when he was in Calais on Tuesday, but the French

0:22:03 > 0:22:07state had helped to organise food distribution, in the end what is

0:22:07 > 0:22:17important is what we do at the end of the line, what we do in Africa.

0:22:17 > 0:22:20of the line, what we do in Africa. I heard the British government would

0:22:20 > 0:22:30give £50 million to help countries in Berlin also to tackle the issue.

0:22:30 > 0:22:34We need to know where they are.Can stop them travelling in the first

0:22:34 > 0:22:39place. Tony, this extra money physicality as Jean-Paul says will

0:22:39 > 0:22:43be spent on these things, will it make any difference, it won't stop

0:22:43 > 0:22:48migrants wanting to come to Calais. It won't stop them whether they come

0:22:48 > 0:22:51to the UK or not, I think you know that we did invest in Calais years

0:22:51 > 0:22:56ago and it has had an impact and we do have border Force controls over

0:22:56 > 0:23:01their and we've dropped from 80,000 to 30,000 since that investment...

0:23:01 > 0:23:06Answers the campus demolished.So I think what the French government is

0:23:06 > 0:23:10doing is right, they are trying to process asylum seekers themselves,

0:23:10 > 0:23:15putting them into more hospitable accommodation into other centres,

0:23:15 > 0:23:18dispersing them and trying to process them through their systems.

0:23:18 > 0:23:25From our point of view the best solution is to retain the

0:23:25 > 0:23:30agreement...The agreement whereby the British border is in France.

0:23:30 > 0:23:36Wiggle and juxtaposed controls but essentially our officers control

0:23:36 > 0:23:40immigration in France every day and the French officials do the same

0:23:40 > 0:23:44here. But the best borders in the world check people and goods before

0:23:44 > 0:23:48they cross. And quite often electronically through data Systems.

0:23:48 > 0:23:53That is what we are building with the French, a vision for the future.

0:23:53 > 0:23:56As Jean-Paul says it is hugely strategically important economically

0:23:56 > 0:24:00for both sides. There's a real opportunity to build our

0:24:00 > 0:24:10collaboration with the authorities and invest together in a structure

0:24:10 > 0:24:14that will support us.I think we need to remember the number of

0:24:14 > 0:24:18displaced people in Europe between 700 and pheasant in Calais at the

0:24:18 > 0:24:26moment is a tiny, tiny proportion sometimes blown out of the water.

0:24:26 > 0:24:37And again over £2 million was spent on a wall, I don't know if it would

0:24:37 > 0:24:42cost this amount to spend on accommodation, do we need a thousand

0:24:42 > 0:24:49policemen?We don't want them!Is your argument that if you did not

0:24:49 > 0:24:53have the police and the wall there would be more than 1000 migrants

0:24:53 > 0:24:57there?Probably.The media is very powerful and stories current

0:24:57 > 0:25:03quickly. There's a

0:25:05 > 0:25:08quickly. There's a huge irregular micro publishing in the EU now. We

0:25:08 > 0:25:10are not part of that and a significant number of those people

0:25:10 > 0:25:17have been through the silent system in the Schengen zone and have been

0:25:17 > 0:25:21said they won't go back, and returning asylum seekers is a hugely

0:25:21 > 0:25:25difficult, expensive and emotional business. So what you need is try to

0:25:25 > 0:25:30control the problem at source. Where are they coming from in the first

0:25:30 > 0:25:36place? With the pull factor. If we let our guard down in Calais you'd

0:25:36 > 0:25:40see huge numbers flocking back to northern France, to the ports, with

0:25:40 > 0:25:43the hopes that we would allow migration through that route. We

0:25:43 > 0:25:52want to distinguish legal

0:25:52 > 0:25:53want to distinguish legal migration, it's not really the proper way of

0:25:53 > 0:25:59processing people...The problem is that at the moment there is no

0:25:59 > 0:26:03process. A family can wait nine months before any proper help is

0:26:03 > 0:26:06given to them and in that time they are sleeping outside in the cold.

0:26:06 > 0:26:11What are they supposed to do. Their youngest child in Calais at the

0:26:11 > 0:26:16moment is ten and is terrified of the police and their brutality.Does

0:26:16 > 0:26:25the French government care about that child?

0:26:25 > 0:26:27that child?It is true that massively over the last two years

0:26:27 > 0:26:33the French government has invested in centres and trying to help. It is

0:26:33 > 0:26:41not enough. What we need is to tackle the traffickers. We've seen

0:26:41 > 0:26:48on Tuesday, in one area, a young migrant paid 10,000 pounds to cross.

0:26:48 > 0:26:53It is slave trade. We need to tackle that. When those people are

0:26:53 > 0:27:07arrested, it's not enough. They've got to be condemned.In the absence

0:27:07 > 0:27:12of a safe, legal and when people are pushed into exploitation, this is

0:27:12 > 0:27:16why the solutions needs to be talked about by both governments, rather

0:27:16 > 0:27:19than the problem.Thank you both for coming in.

0:27:19 > 0:27:23It's that time of the morning where we bring you up to date

0:27:23 > 0:27:27in the trial of former football coach Barry Bennell.

0:27:27 > 0:27:30The court heard yesterday that ex-Wales captain Gary Speed was one

0:27:30 > 0:27:32of four men who went on to take their own lives after

0:27:32 > 0:27:34being coached by Barry Bennell.

0:27:34 > 0:27:36Our reporter Jim Reed has been following the trial

0:27:36 > 0:27:38at Liverpool Crown Court.

0:27:38 > 0:27:41Yes this is the trial, as you've said, of Barry Bennell

0:27:41 > 0:27:44who was a youth football coach linked to a number of teams

0:27:44 > 0:27:45including Manchester City and Crewe Alexandra.

0:27:45 > 0:27:53He faces 48 charges of sexual abuse between 1979

0:27:53 > 0:27:56and 1991 which he denies.

0:27:56 > 0:28:04He's attending the trial by video link because of ill health.

0:28:07 > 0:28:14Yesterday then was day six of the trial and the jury heard

0:28:14 > 0:28:17from a man who Mr Bennell had admitted abusing back in 1998.

0:28:17 > 0:28:19This man spoke about the impact on his life

0:28:19 > 0:28:21and on the lives of others.

0:28:21 > 0:28:24He said he knew of former youth players who had been left

0:28:24 > 0:28:30with alcohol problems as a result.

0:28:30 > 0:28:33He told the court: "Four people from teams I have

0:28:33 > 0:28:35played with, with Bennell, have taken their own lives.

0:28:35 > 0:28:38Whether they have taken their lives due to Barry solely I don't know.

0:28:38 > 0:28:42But all I know is how it's had an impact on me and how it

0:28:42 > 0:28:43could impact on other people."

0:28:43 > 0:28:45One of those four was, he said, former Wales captain

0:28:45 > 0:28:48and manager Gary Speed - who also played for Leeds,

0:28:48 > 0:28:49Newcastle and others.

0:28:49 > 0:28:57He very sadly took his own life six years ago in 2011.

0:28:57 > 0:28:59After Gary Speed's death, the victim said he tried to contact

0:28:59 > 0:29:03Gary Speed's parents at the time.

0:29:03 > 0:29:06And he was asked about compensation?

0:29:06 > 0:29:10That's right.

0:29:10 > 0:29:13So this witness says there was an ongoing civil case

0:29:13 > 0:29:14against Manchester City.

0:29:14 > 0:29:16But added: "I know personally, for me, it's about justice."

0:29:16 > 0:29:18Earlier in the day the court also heard from another

0:29:18 > 0:29:19victim in the case.

0:29:19 > 0:29:22This is someone that Barry Bennell has admitted one charge against.

0:29:22 > 0:29:26This man - now in his 40s - said he believed people working

0:29:26 > 0:29:28for Manchester City knew about abuse involving Barry Bennell

0:29:28 > 0:29:29but did nothing about it.

0:29:29 > 0:29:35He named the former chief scout there, Ken Barnes,

0:29:35 > 0:29:38who is now dead, and another man called Mike Grimsley who he said ran

0:29:38 > 0:29:40one of the youth teams.

0:29:40 > 0:29:46He said these two people must have known.

0:29:46 > 0:29:49He also said he wanted an apology from Manchester City.

0:29:49 > 0:29:51Again under cross examination he was asked about claiming compensation.

0:29:51 > 0:29:54He said: "If you think I am going to put myself through this,

0:29:54 > 0:29:56talk about being raped over 100 times?.

0:29:56 > 0:29:57For damages, you are wrong."

0:29:57 > 0:30:00As I said earlier Mr Bennell denies 48 counts of abuse in this case.

0:30:00 > 0:30:02The trial continues today.

0:30:02 > 0:30:08Thank you very much. Coming up in the next half-hour we will talk

0:30:08 > 0:30:11about the wild weather that's causing disruption across parts of

0:30:11 > 0:30:12the UK and bring you the latest.

0:30:15 > 0:30:18Time for the latest news - here's Annita.

0:30:18 > 0:30:19The BBC News headlines this morning.

0:30:19 > 0:30:21Britain is to increase its contribution towards border

0:30:21 > 0:30:23controls in France by nearly £45 million, and commit

0:30:23 > 0:30:27to taking in more migrants.

0:30:27 > 0:30:30The deal will be announced at a summit between Theresa May

0:30:30 > 0:30:32and the French President Emmanuel Macron this afternoon.

0:30:32 > 0:30:35Other commitments being unveiled include the deployment of three RAF

0:30:35 > 0:30:40Chinook helicopters to Mali, where French forces are fighting

0:30:40 > 0:30:42Islamic extremists, and the confirmation that France

0:30:42 > 0:30:45will loan Britain the Bayeux Tapestry.

0:30:45 > 0:30:47Taxpayers owe private companies £199 billion

0:30:47 > 0:30:49for schemes set up under Private Finance Initiatives,

0:30:49 > 0:30:54according to the government's spending watchdog.

0:30:54 > 0:30:57The National Audit office found 716 deals were currently

0:30:57 > 0:30:58operational under PFI and its successor, PF2,

0:30:58 > 0:31:03with annual costs amounting to more than £10 billion.

0:31:03 > 0:31:05The government says both schemes improved public services.

0:31:05 > 0:31:07The report was written before the collapse of Carillion,

0:31:07 > 0:31:15which held a number of contracts, including some under PFI schemes.

0:31:17 > 0:31:19Heavy snow fall is continuing to cause problems in parts

0:31:19 > 0:31:22of Scotland and northern England, with drivers warned to proceed

0:31:22 > 0:31:28with "extreme caution" while on the roads.

0:31:28 > 0:31:30While travel warnings have been downgraded, police say

0:31:30 > 0:31:32there is still the likelihood of disruption and delays.

0:31:32 > 0:31:34Elsewhere, severe gales and heavy rain are affecting

0:31:34 > 0:31:37other parts of the UK.

0:31:37 > 0:31:43Scottish Borders Council has closed all schools. Trees have all that

0:31:43 > 0:31:45there are power outages.

0:31:45 > 0:31:48Some areas reported gusts of up to 70 miles per hour.

0:31:48 > 0:31:51There are calls for all women over the age of 30 to be screened

0:31:51 > 0:31:54for a faulty gene linked to higher rates of breast and ovarian cancer.

0:31:54 > 0:31:57Research by the Barts Cancer Institute in London found testing

0:31:57 > 0:32:02would prevent thousands of cancers, and be cost-effective for the NHS.

0:32:02 > 0:32:04Patient safety in Accident and Emergency Units in Wales

0:32:04 > 0:32:06is being compromised to an "unacceptable degree"

0:32:06 > 0:32:10according to hospital consultants.

0:32:10 > 0:32:13A group of 46 doctors is warning of the risks in a letter sent

0:32:13 > 0:32:14to the First Minister.

0:32:14 > 0:32:19Monthly performance figures will be published later this morning.

0:32:19 > 0:32:21NHS Wales say it's been a very challenging winter,

0:32:21 > 0:32:24but things are starting to improve.

0:32:24 > 0:32:30That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

0:32:30 > 0:32:33Here's some sport now with Hugh.

0:32:33 > 0:32:35Good morning.

0:32:35 > 0:32:38There was a disappointing defeat for British number One Johanna Konta

0:32:38 > 0:32:39at the Australian Open.

0:32:39 > 0:32:42The number nine seed was shocked in the second round,

0:32:42 > 0:32:44beaten by the World Number 123 Bernarda Pera in straight sets.

0:32:44 > 0:32:52Konta said afterwards it's not a massive catastrophe.

0:32:52 > 0:32:54The new Video Assistant Referee system caused it's first strong

0:32:54 > 0:32:57debate last night with the former England captain calling it

0:32:57 > 0:33:00calling it a shambles - after Chelsea were not awarded

0:33:00 > 0:33:04a penalty in their FA Cup third round win over Norwich.

0:33:04 > 0:33:07The shock of the night in the FA Cup though came at Wigan

0:33:07 > 0:33:09where the League One side knocked out Premier League Bournemouth

0:33:09 > 0:33:11beating them 3-0.

0:33:11 > 0:33:15Elsewhere, Swansea beat Wolves.

0:33:15 > 0:33:18And defending champions England have named their Six Nations squad

0:33:18 > 0:33:20for their first match against Italy.

0:33:20 > 0:33:22Eight uncapped players are named including

0:33:22 > 0:33:28Northampton's Harry Mallinder.

0:33:28 > 0:33:34More sport after 10am.Thank you. Let's talk about the wild weather.

0:33:34 > 0:33:37Severe gales have been causing disruption to much of the UK

0:33:37 > 0:33:39and police in several areas including East Anglia

0:33:39 > 0:33:41and Gloucestershire have reported fallen trees on or near main roads.

0:33:41 > 0:33:45Bridges are closed, trees are down. Thousands of homes are without power

0:33:45 > 0:33:48in Essex.

0:33:48 > 0:33:50In Scotland, drivers were warned overnight to use

0:33:50 > 0:33:52extreme caution on the roads due to heavy snow.

0:33:52 > 0:33:54And in Dumfries and Galloway, the A75 was closed between Dumfries

0:33:54 > 0:33:56and Gatehouse of Fleet because of a number

0:33:56 > 0:33:59of jackknifed lorries.

0:33:59 > 0:34:03Let's talk to various people around the country.

0:34:03 > 0:34:07Our correspondents Fiona Trott are in Penrith and Abington

0:34:07 > 0:34:09Rebecca Manning joins us from her home in South West London.

0:34:09 > 0:34:12Believe it or not a tree fell over there and caused some damage.

0:34:12 > 0:34:14Stein Connelly is Operation Manager at Traffic Scotland.

0:34:14 > 0:34:21Fiona, tell us about the area where you are.The A66 is closed eastbound

0:34:21 > 0:34:26near broth, not surprising, lots of snow over higher ground, 38

0:34:26 > 0:34:31centimetres, that's just south. Opens on the A19 between Hartlepool

0:34:31 > 0:34:35and Durham. 18 miles of tailbacks this morning because of snow. It's

0:34:35 > 0:34:39not just snow, winds are causing problems down the south-east this

0:34:39 > 0:34:45morning. Costs of over 80 mph in Norfolk. We are hearing thousands of

0:34:45 > 0:34:52homes without power in Suffolk, East Anglia and Cambridgeshire, three --

0:34:52 > 0:34:563000 without power. Fallen trees in Norfolk and Cambridgeshire and

0:34:56 > 0:35:00Lincolnshire causing some of those power cuts we heard about. In double

0:35:00 > 0:35:05show, Norfolk, Surrey and Gloucestershire. Because of the

0:35:05 > 0:35:09strong winds, the trains, problems in Suffolk, or one railway line is

0:35:09 > 0:35:13blocked and delays to and from Manchester, Piccadilly and

0:35:13 > 0:35:17Birmingham new street. The latest on the weather warnings, yellow winter

0:35:17 > 0:35:21warning for England and Wales. In northern England, yellow snow and

0:35:21 > 0:35:27ice warning until 11am.Thank you. It's not often you get a do not

0:35:27 > 0:35:30travel warning, but that is what happened for drivers across parts in

0:35:30 > 0:35:35Scotland last night?There was a really serious warning issued by the

0:35:35 > 0:35:43police. In effect, saying, keep your cars at home. I have to say, this

0:35:43 > 0:35:47morning, it's very white here. About one foot of snow by the side of the

0:35:47 > 0:35:52motorway that it is not so wild and crucially, the M74, the main link

0:35:52 > 0:35:57road down the west side of the country, between Scotland and

0:35:57 > 0:36:03England, is running clearly. It really does seem as if drivers

0:36:03 > 0:36:10needed that warning to stay at home. Overnight, what you saw on this

0:36:10 > 0:36:16stretch of motorway was a fleet of gritters going up and down making

0:36:16 > 0:36:20sure it stayed clear. What they really wanted to avoid was a repeat

0:36:20 > 0:36:24of those scenes on Tuesday night where hundreds of drivers were left

0:36:24 > 0:36:30stranded for hours overnight after jackknifed lorries slowed the

0:36:30 > 0:36:33traffic. Cars struggled on the inclines and the whole system ground

0:36:33 > 0:36:40to a halt. Conditions are still a bit tricky today. The Met office has

0:36:40 > 0:36:47downgraded it to an amber weather warning. But drivers are still being

0:36:47 > 0:36:51urged to take caution. Some of the more minor roads are still extremely

0:36:51 > 0:36:58difficult in places. Interestingly, though, Scotland's transport

0:36:58 > 0:37:01Minister has announced that there is a review of this morning's system --

0:37:01 > 0:37:06this warning system, to start using normal language instead of the

0:37:06 > 0:37:12jargon.Thank you, let's use normal language with Steve. Operation

0:37:12 > 0:37:16manager at Traffic Scotland. Drivers were a lot more sensible last night

0:37:16 > 0:37:20and the other night, weren't they? Very much so. We were trying to put

0:37:20 > 0:37:24out the message when the police were saying avoid road travel, we will

0:37:24 > 0:37:28put in that message out all of yesterday so that people heeded the

0:37:28 > 0:37:31warning and it allowed us to get gritters in your previous

0:37:31 > 0:37:36interviewee said they had seen fleets of gritters on the M74. We

0:37:36 > 0:37:41kept that clear and open for the morning peak this morning.What is

0:37:41 > 0:37:45the advice for the rest of the day to motorists? I can see the roads

0:37:45 > 0:37:48behind you are clear, pretty much back to normal?You can still see

0:37:48 > 0:37:52that there is a lot of snow. We are still on a yellow warning for snow

0:37:52 > 0:38:00and ice. The Met office are working with us here in the Traffic Scotland

0:38:00 > 0:38:04response centre. We will continue to do that until we think it is safe to

0:38:04 > 0:38:10step down. Last night, we had 154 gritters out, they are still out.

0:38:10 > 0:38:14They are monitoring and patrolling the roads, dealing with any issues

0:38:14 > 0:38:17that we have. We will continue to do that until we think it is time to

0:38:17 > 0:38:24step down.Thank you. Rebecca joining us from her home in

0:38:24 > 0:38:27south-west London, people mock when people who live in London complain

0:38:27 > 0:38:29about the weather that something dramatic did happen last night

0:38:29 > 0:38:36because of the wind?I got up for work as usual to get ready. And I

0:38:36 > 0:38:41heard the wind outside. I thought somebody was trying to break into

0:38:41 > 0:38:45the house. I walked into the living room and no one was there. I walked

0:38:45 > 0:38:51over to where the window was broken. A Christmas tree had been blown into

0:38:51 > 0:38:57my window and broke it.Is this camera on your laptop or is it your

0:38:57 > 0:39:03phone? Can you show us? INTERFERENCE pin you can see where I have taped

0:39:03 > 0:39:08it up. Right.

0:39:08 > 0:39:12That is proof that the winds in the south-east were as strong as people

0:39:12 > 0:39:15thought when they were woken up in the middle of the night.It was

0:39:15 > 0:39:23really bad.Thank you for talking to us. Rebecca, Steve, Lorna, Fiona,

0:39:23 > 0:39:30thank you. Thank you for your messages on the migrant camp in

0:39:30 > 0:39:33Calais. Carroll will be here with the full weather forecast just

0:39:33 > 0:39:34before 10am.

0:39:34 > 0:39:35Coming up:

0:39:35 > 0:39:38Is it a breach of their human rights for athletes

0:39:38 > 0:39:39to have to keep anti-doping officials informed

0:39:39 > 0:39:41of their whereabouts so they can be drug tested?

0:39:41 > 0:39:49A court is ruling on that shortly - we'll have the latest.

0:39:52 > 0:39:54Some of the country's most senior police officers,

0:39:54 > 0:39:56barristers and prosecutors are meeting this morning to discuss

0:39:56 > 0:39:59ways to address problems caused by the non-disclosure of evidence.

0:39:59 > 0:40:01The high-level meeting will be chaired by the Director

0:40:01 > 0:40:03of Public Prosecutions in England and Wales, Alison Saunders.

0:40:03 > 0:40:06It comes after a third rape case in just over a month collapsed

0:40:06 > 0:40:08after it emerged images from the defendant's phone

0:40:08 > 0:40:16showing him cuddling the alleged victim were not disclosed.

0:40:16 > 0:40:22We will talk to Batman's lawyer in just a moment. -- that man's lawyer.

0:40:22 > 0:40:25This comes after the trial of Liam Allan was abandoned after it

0:40:25 > 0:40:27emerged officers had failed to disclose vital evidence which

0:40:27 > 0:40:29undermined the prosecution case against him.

0:40:29 > 0:40:31This included phone messages where his accuser had

0:40:31 > 0:40:32pestered him for sex.

0:40:32 > 0:40:34He appeared on our programme after being cleared in court.

0:40:37 > 0:40:45There is relief on one side, in terms of the case is over.

0:40:47 > 0:40:50As in, I'm not the suspect, I'm not standing trial more.

0:40:50 > 0:40:51There is relief there.

0:40:51 > 0:40:53With the publicity,, it has been huge.

0:40:53 > 0:40:55It is a different kind of stress in terms of

0:40:55 > 0:40:56that now.

0:40:56 > 0:40:59And it is still another battle to go through in terms of

0:40:59 > 0:41:05compensation.

0:41:05 > 0:41:08And sueing.

0:41:08 > 0:41:09It is not over completely.

0:41:09 > 0:41:11I'm just not the one standing trial any more.

0:41:11 > 0:41:13What do you think would be adequate compensation

0:41:13 > 0:41:14from what you have insured?

0:41:14 > 0:41:15I wouldn't know.

0:41:15 > 0:41:18I said at the time that university is supposed to be

0:41:18 > 0:41:19the best times of your life.

0:41:19 > 0:41:21The last two years I have just spent worrying

0:41:21 > 0:41:22and not concentrating on

0:41:22 > 0:41:23anything.

0:41:23 > 0:41:26It has ripped apart by normal personal life and now that

0:41:26 > 0:41:28it has come to light, it is still going on.

0:41:28 > 0:41:31The longer we have to wait, in terms of going for compensation

0:41:31 > 0:41:34and things like that, the more stress it still is.

0:41:34 > 0:41:38Because I'm still away from uni and my normal life.

0:41:38 > 0:41:43According to your solicitor, there could be other

0:41:43 > 0:41:45cases and other miscarriages of justice, people in

0:41:45 > 0:41:47jail right now where

0:41:47 > 0:41:50evidence that could have proved their innocence has not been

0:41:50 > 0:41:51disclosed.

0:41:51 > 0:41:52I think, yet...

0:41:52 > 0:41:53They can't really stop false accusations

0:41:53 > 0:42:01because people do have a spiteful side.

0:42:02 > 0:42:05When people are hurt they react in a way you wouldn't really expect.

0:42:05 > 0:42:08We rely on the procedure to find the right

0:42:08 > 0:42:09sort of things.

0:42:09 > 0:42:12As far as I am aware, and I have been through it, I

0:42:12 > 0:42:13am not the only one.

0:42:13 > 0:42:15There are people going through it right now.

0:42:15 > 0:42:18With me now is Paris Theodorou, he's a lawyer who defended

0:42:18 > 0:42:21Samson Makele, who was charged with rape 18 months ago.

0:42:21 > 0:42:24But this week the case against him collapsed when his legal team found

0:42:24 > 0:42:31photos of him and his alleged victim cuddling in bed.

0:42:31 > 0:42:38Tell our audience about this case, first of all.Samson Makele was

0:42:38 > 0:42:42accused of rain, originally arrested 18 months ago, bailed and his phone

0:42:42 > 0:42:45was seized. As a result of his phone being seized, his telephone was

0:42:45 > 0:42:52downloaded. Later on it suffice that the downloads didn't include

0:42:52 > 0:42:57pictures, which later came to light. Presumably your client was telling

0:42:57 > 0:43:02you, I know there are pictures on my phone.He did.How come they weren't

0:43:02 > 0:43:07disclosed by the police?

0:43:08 > 0:43:10disclosed by the police?There was a download allegedly committed by the

0:43:10 > 0:43:13offices in the case but we don't know why they were not provided to

0:43:13 > 0:43:17us. Thankfully we were able to obtain the phone ourselves.It could

0:43:17 > 0:43:20be technical incompetence that the download didn't happen properly or

0:43:20 > 0:43:25fully.It could be.Or it could be something more sinister, the

0:43:25 > 0:43:27download happened and the photographs were kept back because

0:43:27 > 0:43:31there would undermine the prosecution case.I am not

0:43:31 > 0:43:33suggesting anything sinister happened. But I think there has been

0:43:33 > 0:43:40a technical failing.Right. You managed to get the phone.I did.

0:43:40 > 0:43:44What did you do differently?I did my own download with my own experts.

0:43:44 > 0:43:50Thankfully we found the images. Samson Makele is from Eritrea, he

0:43:50 > 0:43:53doesn't speak the best English. Thankfully we were able to

0:43:53 > 0:43:55facilitate a proper interview with him and obtain all of the

0:43:55 > 0:44:02information.But this has been going on for 18 months.It has.Had the

0:44:02 > 0:44:05photos emerged much earlier this case would clearly... He may never

0:44:05 > 0:44:09have been charged in the first place.I don't want to talk about

0:44:09 > 0:44:13hypotheticals, it could have been the case that this evidence or the

0:44:13 > 0:44:16telephone could have gone missing and he could been convicted of an

0:44:16 > 0:44:19offence where crucial evidence could have been available to the court. He

0:44:19 > 0:44:24could have had a fair trial.Alison Saunders is having a high-level

0:44:24 > 0:44:27meeting today, the Director of Public Prosecutions for England and

0:44:27 > 0:44:32Wales, this is what she said on Radio 4 this morning.If you have a

0:44:32 > 0:44:35case where people have briefly manage other, there is nothing that

0:44:35 > 0:44:39says there will be photographs. The police obligation is to pursue all

0:44:39 > 0:44:42reasonable lines of enquiry. That doesn't mean going into every single

0:44:42 > 0:44:47avenue of your life. They would look to see if there was contact, text

0:44:47 > 0:44:50messages, which they did and which we looked at and we served. But they

0:44:50 > 0:44:56did not know what else was on the phone.Did they even look at it?The

0:44:56 > 0:45:02download, I think, was not complete. Certainly, the prosecutors had no

0:45:02 > 0:45:05idea there were photographs.Forgive me for interrupting but in a way,

0:45:05 > 0:45:10that seems a glaring omission right from the start. They didn't even

0:45:10 > 0:45:14think, "We must look at photographs or social media".We don't look into

0:45:14 > 0:45:18every single aspect of everybody's life, there has to be a proportional

0:45:18 > 0:45:22response.But even a glancing blow, even notice that it wasn't there,

0:45:22 > 0:45:27why wasn't it?This is where there is a complete systemic issue. What

0:45:27 > 0:45:30should have happened is that it should have happened much earlier.

0:45:30 > 0:45:34It was an 18 month process that he was under investigation and his name

0:45:34 > 0:45:37was out there. That is one of the things we are looking at today with

0:45:37 > 0:45:41everyone, how do we make all of this happen more effectively and at an

0:45:41 > 0:45:44earlier stage? So you don't have suspect is going through this

0:45:44 > 0:45:47process, you don't have complain is going through this process.His life

0:45:47 > 0:45:52was ruined because of that procedure going wrong.I understand this. It

0:45:52 > 0:45:57is really important that we get it right across the system. I am not

0:45:57 > 0:46:00for one moment saying we couldn't have done better in that case, that

0:46:00 > 0:46:05it couldn't have been dealt with earlier.

0:46:05 > 0:46:12How do you respond to that.I think it is good that the CPS are

0:46:12 > 0:46:15expecting some responsibility for the failures and it is good that

0:46:15 > 0:46:22they will be full disclosure.Let me bring in Jerry Hayes, the

0:46:22 > 0:46:27prosecuting lawyer who helped to clear Liam Allan, the man that he

0:46:27 > 0:46:31was prosecuting. Mr Hayes, how do you react to this meeting, what

0:46:31 > 0:46:36needs to happen?Very good news indeed. This problem has been

0:46:36 > 0:46:40bedevilling the courts for a long time. Thank heavens it is now in the

0:46:40 > 0:46:45open. Two things need to be done and are relatively simple. First the

0:46:45 > 0:46:48police have to be retrained and understand their duties of

0:46:48 > 0:47:00disclosure. Secondly they must be told that it is

0:47:02 > 0:47:05not for them to decide what is relevant, it is for the Crown

0:47:05 > 0:47:07prosecution lawyer to decide. The next thing that has to happen is

0:47:07 > 0:47:09that the CPS have to be properly resourced. They have to have the

0:47:09 > 0:47:12people, the equipment, and the money to sift through sometimes mountains

0:47:12 > 0:47:14of evidence which comes from social media. They can't take another round

0:47:14 > 0:47:21of cuts.It sounds as if you are saying that you don't believe that

0:47:21 > 0:47:24police and prosecutors on occasion deliberately withheld evidence

0:47:24 > 0:47:30because it would undermine their case.No, I have never seen any

0:47:30 > 0:47:34evidence of that and I prosecute and I defend. What has happened is that

0:47:34 > 0:47:37there has been a systemic and cultural problem within the police.

0:47:37 > 0:47:41They seem to think their job is just too but the case. It is not. They

0:47:41 > 0:47:46need to look at the evidence, to record it, to retain it, and reveal

0:47:46 > 0:47:54it.In the case of Liam Allan police told his defence team that some of

0:47:54 > 0:47:59the text messages the complainant had sent to friends were not

0:47:59 > 0:48:04relevant to the trial.That is what they told me, not the defence.

0:48:04 > 0:48:14Absolutely. And I ask questions... That isn't about a lack of training,

0:48:14 > 0:48:18Jerry Hayes, was it?I thought this was a particularly appalling case.

0:48:18 > 0:48:23It is not widespread. But if you have the systems in place, there is

0:48:23 > 0:48:26an act of Parliament that list and the things that the police should do

0:48:26 > 0:48:31and we must make sure they do it. It was a police officer who told me, I

0:48:31 > 0:48:34wasn't aware of this disc and I said, can you show me there's

0:48:34 > 0:48:38nothing here that can assist the defence and undermine the

0:48:38 > 0:48:42prosecution case? He said there wasn't and I wasn't happy and in

0:48:42 > 0:48:46court I said this must be served so we can go through it. We found the

0:48:46 > 0:48:53stuff which quite properly cleared Liam.Hollande are you about other

0:48:53 > 0:48:58cases that have collapsed, others might say this is a good thing,

0:48:58 > 0:49:02because of late disclosure of evidence?That has been fairly

0:49:02 > 0:49:08common. The CPS doesn't have the resources. The rape and serious

0:49:08 > 0:49:15offences unit of 130 cases each, they need more lawyers, more

0:49:15 > 0:49:18paralegals, more money. The Chancellor is threatening another

0:49:18 > 0:49:23round of cuts to the CPS. This would be disastrous for everyone. Accent

0:49:23 > 0:49:26today is a good day, something that has been bedevilling us four years

0:49:26 > 0:49:31is now out in the open and something is being done about it.Thank you

0:49:31 > 0:49:38very much Jerry Hayes, and Paris, thank you. Let me read some messages

0:49:38 > 0:49:42we have received about the migrant camp in Calais. We began the problem

0:49:42 > 0:49:46today with this story because of this high-level summit between the

0:49:46 > 0:49:51Prime Minister and the French president today. Britain is giving

0:49:51 > 0:49:54France £44.5 million to boost security at Calais to stop a camp

0:49:54 > 0:50:00building up again. Philip says in a text, we must have control of our

0:50:00 > 0:50:05borders and not let the French president dictate to the UK how many

0:50:05 > 0:50:08migrants retaken. Lynn says what happens to failed applications,

0:50:08 > 0:50:13those who apply from Calais, where did they go. Do they wed there,

0:50:13 > 0:50:17hoping to find another way into the UK? Not a nice environment to live

0:50:17 > 0:50:23in while they are waiting. Johnny says the charity workers need to be

0:50:23 > 0:50:27held to account for adding to the problem. John says, enough of the

0:50:27 > 0:50:32refugees, we must look after our own people first. More of those to come.

0:50:32 > 0:50:39Send me an e-mail. Send a message on Twitter and you can text and use

0:50:39 > 0:50:44Facebook as well.

0:50:47 > 0:50:50Athletes in France have in the last half-hour lost a legal challenge

0:50:50 > 0:50:55to drug testing rules.

0:50:55 > 0:50:57They argued that strict rules which require competitors

0:50:57 > 0:50:59to disclose their whereabouts for one hour every day are

0:50:59 > 0:51:03an a breach of their human rights.

0:51:03 > 0:51:07The European Court of Human Rights disagreed. It found this would

0:51:07 > 0:51:12increase the dangers of doping in sport.

0:51:12 > 0:51:14Let's talk now with Toni Minichiello, trainer of Olympic

0:51:14 > 0:51:16champion Jess Ennis-Hill, Jo Pavey MBE the British

0:51:16 > 0:51:18long distance runner, Craig Maclean MBE Olympic

0:51:18 > 0:51:19cyclist silver medallist.

0:51:19 > 0:51:20Ellis Cashmore, professor of Sociology

0:51:20 > 0:51:23at Aston University.

0:51:23 > 0:51:32Liam -- Toni, how do you respond to this.And is a good ruling. Common

0:51:32 > 0:51:37sense has been delivered by the European Court of Human Rights.

0:51:37 > 0:51:40Explain this principle of notification of your whereabouts?

0:51:40 > 0:51:44You have to give you when about three months in advance so you put

0:51:44 > 0:51:48down in three-month blocks, you basically say where you are going to

0:51:48 > 0:51:52be, you have to be available for one hour and say where that should be

0:51:52 > 0:51:59way you will be for one hour. The time starts at 5am and up to 11

0:51:59 > 0:52:02o'clock at night. You pick one hour out of that period and say where you

0:52:02 > 0:52:06will be. Invariably a lot of people give their home address at an early

0:52:06 > 0:52:11time, let's say 7am, or their training venue. If you put that in

0:52:11 > 0:52:16in three-month blogs, you can always come back to it on a daily basis and

0:52:16 > 0:52:20alter it, should your plans change. Some French athletes were arguing

0:52:20 > 0:52:26that this God in the way of their family life, to such an extent that

0:52:26 > 0:52:34it was too much of a burden.It can be awkward. I would not say it is a

0:52:34 > 0:52:39burden. I say, if situations change for example if you have a dental

0:52:39 > 0:52:43appointment and needs to leave the house earlier, as long as you can

0:52:43 > 0:52:47send a text or an e-mail you can change where your whereabouts will

0:52:47 > 0:52:52be at any time during that day. It can be a bit awkward. It's up to you

0:52:52 > 0:52:58to remember but once you start doing it it is easy enough to do.Some

0:52:58 > 0:53:01athletes talk about having to have made sacrifices to stick to this

0:53:01 > 0:53:06rule.

0:53:07 > 0:53:10rule. I would have to understand those sacrifices, I worked with an

0:53:10 > 0:53:14athlete and she made sure she was available for one hour every day

0:53:14 > 0:53:20including her wedding day! It is easily done.Was that Jessica Ennis

0:53:20 > 0:53:24Hill?It might have been! On her wedding day she had to tell the

0:53:24 > 0:53:28doping officials where she would be for one hour. Presumably at home

0:53:28 > 0:53:34getting ready for the wedding?Yes, that could have been awkward! In the

0:53:34 > 0:53:38same situation when she was pregnant with her first child she was still

0:53:38 > 0:53:46competing. And babies don't stick to schedules. You have to give one hour

0:53:46 > 0:53:49for you are going to be and should the situation change you make

0:53:49 > 0:53:53provision that someone can access the system, should your whereabouts

0:53:53 > 0:54:01change. It's easy enough to handle. Craig MacLean is an Olympic silver

0:54:01 > 0:54:06medallist, apologies are introducing you as some are different! Thank you

0:54:06 > 0:54:10for talking to us. How do you react to this ruling that it is not a

0:54:10 > 0:54:13breach of the human rights of French athletes to have to tell anti-doping

0:54:13 > 0:54:18officials where they offer one hour a day?I think all athletes will

0:54:18 > 0:54:24sigh with relief. Common sense has prevailed. If they had won the case

0:54:24 > 0:54:27the impact could have been massive, I guess, in terms of how we go about

0:54:27 > 0:54:34the sports of it is good.Tell us about the impact on some IQ of this

0:54:34 > 0:54:37rule where you have to give notice of your whereabouts, as it is

0:54:37 > 0:54:40officially called, and also try to live your life. -- on somebody like

0:54:40 > 0:54:49you.As Toni says it isn't a burden, it is something you accept. When you

0:54:49 > 0:54:54first become an athlete at first you don't appreciate this maybe but when

0:54:54 > 0:54:58you go full sign up to any sport programme you're accepted as part of

0:54:58 > 0:55:04your life.

0:55:04 > 0:55:09your life. Most of the time you forget about it. -- you accept it as

0:55:09 > 0:55:15part of your life. It is not a big deal.And the reason it works is

0:55:15 > 0:55:19because it can act as a deterrent because you know that someone can

0:55:19 > 0:55:23turn up at any moment at the point that you have said you would be in a

0:55:23 > 0:55:29particular place?I guess to any honest athlete it is just a gentle

0:55:29 > 0:55:33reminder to be aware if you are taking a supplement, whether it is

0:55:33 > 0:55:37for a cold or a cough or something like that, you have to think twice

0:55:37 > 0:55:41about these things. It is quite nice. I am sure that people out

0:55:41 > 0:55:47there who are hell-bent on doping and will find a way around the

0:55:47 > 0:55:53system unfortunately.Let me bring in Ellis, how do you react to the

0:55:53 > 0:56:00ruling?I'm sorry, Victoria, what is the question?I apologise. The

0:56:00 > 0:56:04French athletes have lost their case, the European Court of Human

0:56:04 > 0:56:07Rights says it is not a bridge of human rights to have to tell

0:56:07 > 0:56:11anti-doping officials where they offer one hour a day. I was just

0:56:11 > 0:56:15asking for your reaction.It was a predictable outcome. There's not

0:56:15 > 0:56:19much else that organisations charged with the responsibility of policing

0:56:19 > 0:56:25doping can do. Because the athletes have made it clear that they will

0:56:25 > 0:56:29take dope, whatever the punishments may be and although we talk about

0:56:29 > 0:56:33deterrence I don't think there are that many deterrents. They are

0:56:33 > 0:56:37taking dope basically not because they want to get an advantage but

0:56:37 > 0:56:40because they look around them at all the other athletes and presumed that

0:56:40 > 0:56:45they are taking dope as well. This is the only way they can get a level

0:56:45 > 0:56:52playing field.World Anti-Doping Agency has become stricter over the

0:56:52 > 0:56:55years simply because it has two and is turning sport into a surveillance

0:56:55 > 0:57:01culture. But they have no genuine alternative. This is now a spiral

0:57:01 > 0:57:04and it's not one that can be interrupted, it will simply go on

0:57:04 > 0:57:10and on. You are right that there will always be cheats but you're

0:57:10 > 0:57:15generalising, are you not, the majority of athletes are clean,

0:57:15 > 0:57:20aren't they?Nobody can actually say if they are or not. Simply because

0:57:20 > 0:57:23doping is going on in this kind of stand such at the moment. Athletes

0:57:23 > 0:57:29are taking unknown substances in unknown quantities and getting them

0:57:29 > 0:57:36from who knows where. It's an unsafe environment. We have to think about

0:57:36 > 0:57:43how after 45 years of anti-doping policy in sport, we have to think

0:57:43 > 0:57:51about whether this is a doomed experiment. We have to evaluate

0:57:51 > 0:57:55whether anti-doping is legitimate because it cannot succeed. I think

0:57:55 > 0:58:05we have rented sport and save and I think we have to -- we have rented

0:58:05 > 0:58:09sport unsafe. We have to ask if it would be safer if we allowed doping

0:58:09 > 0:58:14in sport and just said to athletes we want to monitor what you are

0:58:14 > 0:58:19taking so we can do research and advise on whether this is a safe

0:58:19 > 0:58:25substance.Craig, what do you say to Ellis's proposal?I would like to

0:58:25 > 0:58:31believe, as a clean athlete that the majority of athletes are clean.

0:58:31 > 0:58:36There are probably one or two up to no good. But if you want to compete

0:58:36 > 0:58:41you believe it is possible to do it clean. I think it's a bit of a

0:58:41 > 0:58:46flippant reaction.Thank you gentlemen, thank you very much.

0:58:46 > 0:58:50Thank you for coming on the programme. The latest news and sport

0:58:50 > 0:58:56in a moment.

0:58:56 > 0:58:58Also coming up:

0:58:58 > 0:59:00A special report about the strict abortion laws in El Savador

0:59:00 > 0:59:03and the story of one teenager who says she's been

0:59:03 > 0:59:04sentenced for murder after suffering a miscarriage.

0:59:04 > 0:59:05Let's get the latest weather update.

0:59:05 > 0:59:10Let's get the latest weather update.

0:59:10 > 0:59:15I welcome a good morning! What might run the country. But today for some

0:59:15 > 0:59:18it will be a reasonable day with a lot of sunshine, for others the snow

0:59:18 > 0:59:23will go on. Let's deal with the snow from last might. Up to seven inches

0:59:23 > 0:59:30in parts of northern England which led to a few problems, six inches of

0:59:30 > 0:59:37snow in some areas, there are still some ongoing problems on the roads,

0:59:37 > 0:59:41for others it was the strength of the wind bringing down the auditory,

0:59:41 > 0:59:50the strongest of the gusts here and there, 80 miles an hour, we saw

0:59:50 > 0:59:56winds of 60-70 miles an hour which has caused issues. The fund which

0:59:56 > 0:59:59brought this has now moved into the Netherlands and they have winds of

0:59:59 > 1:00:06mighty mouse per hour, back to square one, with a mixture of sleet

1:00:06 > 1:00:11and snow for some, further south, heavy showers with thunder, bit of

1:00:11 > 1:00:16sleet on higher ground and some hail. Many across the South and east

1:00:16 > 1:00:20will get away with a predominately dry day. The bees is lighter than it

1:00:20 > 1:00:27was for many but it's still enough to have an impact on the way things

1:00:27 > 1:00:30feel, subzero across parts of Scotland, Northern Ireland and

1:00:30 > 1:00:34northern England. To light showers keep going over north-west Scotland

1:00:34 > 1:00:38and northern England, a bit more than last might have some areas of

1:00:38 > 1:00:43the show was coming on the breeze. Further south, clearer skies with a

1:00:43 > 1:00:46greater chance of frost and with temperatures widely below freezing,

1:00:46 > 1:00:51showers and a risk of ice. It could be a slippery start to Friday

1:00:51 > 1:00:56morning. Driest and brightest across parts of England and Wales, show was

1:00:56 > 1:01:02get going once more quite widely across the country, Northern Ireland

1:01:02 > 1:01:05and northern England, a further covering of snow in places. These

1:01:05 > 1:01:11will feel much colder when you factor in the wind. Into the weekend

1:01:11 > 1:01:15the winds will ease, still a north-westerly to get into

1:01:15 > 1:01:18Saturday's sale a cold night with a sharp frost, notice whether funds

1:01:18 > 1:01:22towards the south which will bring a cloudy start across the South on

1:01:22 > 1:01:27Saturday, patchy rain which will gradually ease, many will have a dry

1:01:27 > 1:01:29afternoon, sunny conditions the further north you are after that

1:01:29 > 1:01:34frosty stop. On Saturday night into Sunday another push of rain coming

1:01:34 > 1:01:38from the south-west which will affect more of us, wet state

1:01:38 > 1:01:43preceded by snow of the Scottish mountains, the house to egg hills of

1:01:43 > 1:01:46northern England, that temperatures will be on the rise, turning back to

1:01:46 > 1:01:50rain and next week should look much milder than the week just gone.

1:01:50 > 1:01:52Hello it's Thursday, it's 10am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

1:01:52 > 1:01:54Welcome to the programme.

1:01:54 > 1:01:56Cash for Calais, Britain will provide an extra

1:01:56 > 1:01:58£44.5 million to improve border controls in France.

1:01:58 > 1:02:00That's one of the announcements expected when Theresa May meets

1:02:00 > 1:02:05French President Emmanuel Macron later today.

1:02:05 > 1:02:10One of the announcement is expected when Theresa May meets the

1:02:11 > 1:02:15it's quite clear from the British,'s perspective that they think the best

1:02:15 > 1:02:18route to getting a good deal on Brexit is to bypass the European

1:02:18 > 1:02:22Commission and to get individual countries sympathetic, on board with

1:02:22 > 1:02:27Britain. We have all the details.

1:02:27 > 1:02:29Also this morning - we have a special report

1:02:29 > 1:02:32from El Salvador where women accused of having an abortion can be locked

1:02:32 > 1:02:33up for 30 years.

1:02:33 > 1:02:38The majority of them of have nothing to do with abortion.

1:02:38 > 1:02:43They are in fact stillbirths or miscarriages.

1:02:43 > 1:02:45And you'd be hardpressed to find somebody who thinks women should go

1:02:45 > 1:02:47to prison for having a miscarriage.

1:02:47 > 1:02:55We'll bring you that full report after 10:30am.

1:02:57 > 1:03:00Researchers say testing all women over the age of 30 for the gene

1:03:00 > 1:03:02mutations which cause breast and ovarian cancers

1:03:02 > 1:03:03could save 12,000 lives.

1:03:03 > 1:03:05We will bring you the details.

1:03:05 > 1:03:11Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

1:03:11 > 1:03:13Britain is to increase its contribution towards border

1:03:13 > 1:03:15controls in France by nearly £45 million, and commit

1:03:15 > 1:03:19to taking in more migrants.

1:03:19 > 1:03:21The deal will be announced at a summit

1:03:21 > 1:03:23between Theresa May and the French President Emmanuel

1:03:23 > 1:03:26Macron this afternoon.

1:03:26 > 1:03:28Other commitments being unveiled include the deployment of three RAF

1:03:28 > 1:03:30Chinook helicopters to Mali, where French forces are fighting

1:03:30 > 1:03:32Islamic extremists, and the confirmation that France

1:03:32 > 1:03:39will loan Britain the Bayeux Tapestry.

1:03:39 > 1:03:41Taxpayers owe private companies £199 billion

1:03:41 > 1:03:43for schemes set up under Private Finance Initiatives,

1:03:43 > 1:03:48according to the government's spending watchdog.

1:03:48 > 1:03:50The National Audit office found 716 deals were currently

1:03:50 > 1:03:52operational under PFI and its successor, PF2,

1:03:52 > 1:03:54with annual costs amounting to more than £10 billion.

1:03:54 > 1:03:56The government says both schemes improved public services.

1:03:56 > 1:03:58The report was written before the collapse of Carillion,

1:03:58 > 1:04:06which held a number of contracts, including some under PFI schemes.

1:04:09 > 1:04:11Heavy snow fall is continuing to cause problems in parts

1:04:11 > 1:04:14of Scotland and northern England, with drivers warned to proceed

1:04:14 > 1:04:16with "extreme caution" while on the roads.

1:04:16 > 1:04:18While travel warnings have been downgraded police say

1:04:18 > 1:04:20there is still the likelihood of disruption and delays.

1:04:20 > 1:04:23Scottish Borders Council has closed all schools.

1:04:23 > 1:04:25Elsewhere, severe gales are affecting other parts of the UK,

1:04:25 > 1:04:29causing trees to fall down and power outages.

1:04:29 > 1:04:35Some areas reported gusts of up to 70 miles per hour.

1:04:36 > 1:04:41The European Court of Human Rights is due to rule in the case of 100

1:04:41 > 1:04:43leading athletes challenging a requirement for them to advise

1:04:43 > 1:04:51anti-doping officials of their whereabouts at all times.

1:04:52 > 1:04:54The group claims the regime violates their

1:04:54 > 1:04:58privacy and is contrary to their freedom of movement.

1:04:58 > 1:05:03It disagreed unanimously. It found that removing the requirement could

1:05:03 > 1:05:08lead to an increase in doping.

1:05:08 > 1:05:11There are calls for all women over the age of 30 to be screened

1:05:11 > 1:05:15for a faulty gene linked to higher rates of breast and ovarian cancer.

1:05:15 > 1:05:17Research by the Barts Cancer Institute in London found testing

1:05:17 > 1:05:20would prevent thousands of cancers, and be cost-effective for the NHS.

1:05:20 > 1:05:22Patient safety in Accident and Emergency Units in Wales

1:05:22 > 1:05:23is being compromised to an "unacceptable degree"

1:05:23 > 1:05:31according to hospital consultants.

1:05:35 > 1:05:41Figures show that 78.9% of patients spend less than 48 hours in

1:05:41 > 1:05:44emergency care facilities in December, the lowest performance

1:05:44 > 1:05:48since March 2000 and 16. NHS Wales says it's been a very challenging

1:05:48 > 1:05:54winter but that things are starting to improve. -- since 2016.

1:05:54 > 1:05:59Lifeguard in Australia have used drone technology to save swimmers.

1:05:59 > 1:06:04It is the first rescue. It was used to locate two men who had been seen

1:06:04 > 1:06:07struggling in three metre high swells in New South Wales. A rescue

1:06:07 > 1:06:11pod was dropped into the water which expanded allowing both swimmers to

1:06:11 > 1:06:15grab it and help them stay afloat. The drone took just over one minute

1:06:15 > 1:06:19to reach the swimmers compared to six minutes for a lifeguard.

1:06:19 > 1:06:20Fantastic.

1:06:20 > 1:06:25That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10:30am.

1:06:25 > 1:06:29A text message from a serving police officer about nondisclosure of

1:06:29 > 1:06:31evidence and the collapse of a number of rape trials in recent

1:06:31 > 1:06:35months. I am a serving officer and I believe the lack of complete

1:06:35 > 1:06:39investigations into rape cases comes down to a lack of officers. Based in

1:06:39 > 1:06:45a small city investigators have 30 plus rape cases each of their

1:06:45 > 1:06:49workloads. Therefore, they have an impossible task. Many are begging to

1:06:49 > 1:06:54come off their department due to stress and their inability to do

1:06:54 > 1:06:57their job and serve the alleged victim. Thank you.

1:06:57 > 1:06:59Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

1:06:59 > 1:07:02use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and if you text, you will be charged

1:07:02 > 1:07:04at the standard network rate.

1:07:04 > 1:07:06Particularly if you have pertinent experience like that, we feed that

1:07:06 > 1:07:17into our conversations. You are the experts.

1:07:25 > 1:07:26British Number One Johanna Konta was staying optimistic,

1:07:26 > 1:07:29despite a shock defeat in the second round of the Australian

1:07:29 > 1:07:30open overnight.

1:07:30 > 1:07:33She was beaten by 'lucky loser' Bernarda Pera in straight sets -

1:07:33 > 1:07:35the American only made it into the tournament after another

1:07:35 > 1:07:36player withdrew with injury.

1:07:36 > 1:07:39Tennis Correspondent Russell Fuller has more from Melbourne.

1:07:39 > 1:07:45Arrows's performance caught the eye. Somebody who is 123 in the world, no

1:07:45 > 1:07:49success to celebrate on the big stage until today, she played with

1:07:49 > 1:07:53freedom, power and huge confidence. Today, Johanna Konta couldn't live

1:07:53 > 1:07:57with her. She said it was just one of those days. Per serving speeds

1:07:57 > 1:08:02were down. She was troubled by some overheads, two or three shots coming

1:08:02 > 1:08:09off the frame of the racket. There was anxiety is spreading through her

1:08:09 > 1:08:12game in the second set when it looked as if the match was going to

1:08:12 > 1:08:17run away with her. She has now lost eight of her last 11 games, the

1:08:17 > 1:08:20success she enjoyed in the two years after first making a name for

1:08:20 > 1:08:25herself at the US Open of 2015 has morphed into a disappointing and

1:08:25 > 1:08:28frustrating run. She says she needs more matches and is determined to

1:08:28 > 1:08:36work our way through it with her new coach.

1:08:36 > 1:08:37It's a bit frustrating.

1:08:37 > 1:08:38But, also, I think...

1:08:38 > 1:08:39I'm still taking good stuff from this.

1:08:39 > 1:08:44I'm not... I don't feel...

1:08:44 > 1:08:49By any means like it's a massive catastrophe.

1:08:49 > 1:08:51Obviously, I play every event to be there until the end.

1:08:51 > 1:08:54So, I definitely don't want to be going home this early.

1:08:54 > 1:08:57But, I think, in terms of building myself

1:08:57 > 1:09:01back up again and playing the way want to, I think I keep moving

1:09:01 > 1:09:08forward.

1:09:08 > 1:09:11There was a better day for six-time champion Novak Djokovic who battled

1:09:11 > 1:09:15back from a set down in 39 degree heat to come past Gael Monfils

1:09:15 > 1:09:23to reach round 3.

1:09:34 > 1:09:36Our first 'head-scratching' moment regarding the new Video Assistant

1:09:36 > 1:09:38referee system came last night with a controversial moment

1:09:38 > 1:09:40in Chelsea's FA Cup third round win over Norwich...

1:09:40 > 1:09:431-1 after 90 minutes the game went to extra time with Chelsea's Willian

1:09:43 > 1:09:45seemingly fouled in the penalty area.

1:09:45 > 1:09:46The referee booked him for diving

1:09:46 > 1:09:48and the decision remained no penalty after being checked.

1:09:48 > 1:09:51It meant the tie went all the way to penalties with Eden Hazard

1:09:51 > 1:09:54scoring the decisive spot-kick at Stamford Bridge but all

1:09:54 > 1:09:56the discussion afterwards was about VAR with Alan Shearer

1:09:56 > 1:09:57clearly not a fan.

1:09:57 > 1:09:59You can see why I was very doubtful about it.

1:09:59 > 1:10:00It is a shambles.

1:10:00 > 1:10:02Four former footballers here, Jermaine Jenas, five.

1:10:02 > 1:10:04We think it is a clear and obvious penalty and

1:10:04 > 1:10:08he books him for diving!

1:10:08 > 1:10:11Who on earth is looking at that screen at

1:10:11 > 1:10:17Stockley Park and doesn't think that is a penalty?!

1:10:17 > 1:10:19That is why it is all wrong.

1:10:19 > 1:10:22It is someone else's opinion, that is why it is a shambles.

1:10:22 > 1:10:25Get off the fence!

1:10:25 > 1:10:28Well things were a lot clearer as League One leaders Wigan shocked

1:10:28 > 1:10:30Bournemouth of the Premier League with a comfortable 3-0 win -

1:10:30 > 1:10:33they'll take on another top flight side, West Ham in the fourth round.

1:10:33 > 1:10:41In the night's other game Swansea beat Wolves 2-1.

1:10:42 > 1:10:45A day after signing a contract extension to stay as England

1:10:45 > 1:10:47head coach until 2021, Eddie Jones has named eight uncapped

1:10:47 > 1:10:50players in his Six Nations squad for the first match against Italy.

1:10:50 > 1:10:52Among them is Northampton back Harry Mallinder.

1:10:52 > 1:10:54Injuries and suspensions mean several senior players are out.

1:10:54 > 1:10:56England are hoping to become the first side to win three

1:10:56 > 1:11:02successive Six Nations titles outright.

1:11:02 > 1:11:03That's the sport for now.

1:11:03 > 1:11:11I'll be back with the latest headlines around 10:30am.

1:11:12 > 1:11:16Thank you very much. The latest NHS weekly figures, breaking news. They

1:11:16 > 1:11:21show that pressures on A&E units have begun to ease slightly across

1:11:21 > 1:11:25England.

1:11:25 > 1:11:28According to these figures come up to last on the ambulances

1:11:28 > 1:11:31experienced fewer delays waiting outside hospitals compared to the

1:11:31 > 1:11:34previous week. The number of arrogance is delayed by 30 minutes

1:11:34 > 1:11:39fell by almost a quarter to 12,000 500. Bed closures due to the

1:11:39 > 1:11:46vomiting bugs have also fallen. But figures show, as you would expect

1:11:46 > 1:11:51hospitals remain incredibly busy with average bed occupancy rate of

1:11:51 > 1:12:0194.9% across trusts in England. That is down a tiny bit.

1:12:01 > 1:12:04Theresa May will confirm later that Britain will contribute an extra 44

1:12:04 > 1:12:07and a half million pounds to border security at French ports.

1:12:07 > 1:12:10The prime minister will also say the UK has agreed to take more

1:12:10 > 1:12:12migrants from Calais, particularly unaccompanied minors.

1:12:12 > 1:12:13Well, I've been talking to the Permanent Representative

1:12:13 > 1:12:16to the UK that covers Calais, a former head of the UK

1:12:16 > 1:12:19Border Force and the Founder of Help Refugees UK,

1:12:19 > 1:12:20Josie Naughton, who described the situation they're

1:12:20 > 1:12:25facing on the ground.

1:12:25 > 1:12:29Burgess seems to be this batting of responsibility between the French

1:12:29 > 1:12:34and British as to this is -- there seems to be. The answer is answer is

1:12:34 > 1:12:38it is both of their problem. The response on the ground, the

1:12:38 > 1:12:43organisations working are both and British. This money going towards

1:12:43 > 1:12:47security, that will not solve the problem. What is needed is faster

1:12:47 > 1:12:50asylum process, that is the problem and that goes for people who will be

1:12:50 > 1:12:54staying in France and coming to the UK because they have a legal right

1:12:54 > 1:12:57because they have family here. And accommodation, so people aren't

1:12:57 > 1:13:02sleeping outside in the cold. In December, towards the end of

1:13:02 > 1:13:07December, a 15-year-old boy who had a legal right to see his family in

1:13:07 > 1:13:12the UK wasn't able to access that right. Our team notified the French

1:13:12 > 1:13:14authorities about his vulnerability and nothing was done. He lost his

1:13:14 > 1:13:20life.Because he was hit by a truck? He was hit by a car. If money had

1:13:20 > 1:13:26been spent on more people in the asylum office to speed that up,

1:13:26 > 1:13:28accommodation to protect vulnerable children, maybe that wouldn't

1:13:28 > 1:13:35happen.Respond to that.She is right. We all want to solve these

1:13:35 > 1:13:40migrants the issues, especially with children. It's not possible. The

1:13:40 > 1:13:42French president, Emmanuel Macron, actually said when he was in Calais

1:13:42 > 1:13:50on Tuesday that he would... That the French state would now help to

1:13:50 > 1:13:53organise food distribution. But in the end, was very important is what

1:13:53 > 1:13:57we do at the end of the line. What we do in Africa. I heard today at

1:13:57 > 1:14:03the summit have heard that the British government would also give

1:14:03 > 1:14:1050 million to help. To help our countries in Mali, Cameroon, and to

1:14:10 > 1:14:13tackle the issue. Because migrants, we have also got to help them where

1:14:13 > 1:14:19they are.To stop them travelling in the first place. Tony, this extra

1:14:19 > 1:14:24money for security is welcome, of course. It will be spent on all of

1:14:24 > 1:14:27those things but will it make any difference? It will not stop

1:14:27 > 1:14:29migrants coming to Calais and wanting to come to Britain?It will

1:14:29 > 1:14:33not stop them, whether they come to Calais or not. We put some

1:14:33 > 1:14:38investment into Calais years ago. It has had an impact. We have border

1:14:38 > 1:14:43Force control zones over there. Our detections have dropped from 80,000

1:14:43 > 1:14:46to 30,000.Since that investment when in to protect the perimeter.

1:14:46 > 1:14:54And since the exactly.What the French government is doing is right,

1:14:54 > 1:14:58they are trying to process asylum seekers, trying to put them into

1:14:58 > 1:15:01hospitable accommodation away from Calais in other centres to disperse

1:15:01 > 1:15:04and processing them through their systems. From our point of view, the

1:15:04 > 1:15:10best solution is to retain the agreement and to retain...So

1:15:10 > 1:15:13everybody is aware, the agreement whereby the British border is in

1:15:13 > 1:15:17France.We call them juxtaposed controls but our border officers go

1:15:17 > 1:15:20through and operate border controls in France every day and the French

1:15:20 > 1:15:25do the same thing in Dover. That is preclearance, part of a multiple

1:15:25 > 1:15:28border strategy but the best borders in the world check people and goods

1:15:28 > 1:15:32before they cross. That way... Quite often electronically through data

1:15:32 > 1:15:37Systems. That is what we're trying to build with the French. A vision

1:15:37 > 1:15:44for the future. Strategically important.

1:15:45 > 1:15:53Tell us more about the deal, Norman Smith in Westminster.Don't worry

1:15:53 > 1:15:57about the alarm going off in the background. This deal is in the eyes

1:15:57 > 1:16:00of many British and French politicians, and unbelievably good

1:16:00 > 1:16:01deal.

1:16:01 > 1:16:03politicians, and unbelievably good deal. Because what it does it allows

1:16:03 > 1:16:08the French to have their border guards on our side of the channel

1:16:08 > 1:16:12and allows us to have our border guards on their side of the channel

1:16:12 > 1:16:17in Calais. But there not masses of migrants trying to leave Britain to

1:16:17 > 1:16:20go to France although there are an awful lot trying to get from Calais

1:16:20 > 1:16:26to Britain so it's a pretty one-sided deal. Some British

1:16:26 > 1:16:29politicians are amazed the French haven't torn and because it is just

1:16:29 > 1:16:35such a bad deal for them. Now because it isn't part of the Brexit

1:16:35 > 1:16:40or EU rules, it means that when we leave it should not be affected by

1:16:40 > 1:16:47Brexit. It will still be in place. The fact that we are paying an extra

1:16:47 > 1:16:50£44 million today, I suspect many British politicians will still feel

1:16:50 > 1:16:56that is a very good deal. Because very bluntly, it means the Calais

1:16:56 > 1:17:04Jungle, if you like, stays in Calais and doesn't come to Dover. So from a

1:17:04 > 1:17:06British perspective it remains a good deal which I suspect British

1:17:06 > 1:17:12politicians will be prepared to pay quite a lot of money to make sure it

1:17:12 > 1:17:18continues.How much will Brexit dominate the meeting.It's not part

1:17:18 > 1:17:27of the formal public part of today and in private it will be critical.

1:17:27 > 1:17:32And when Theresa May and Emmanuel Macron set down for lunch of course

1:17:32 > 1:17:37that will be the guts of what they talk about. It is that they will

1:17:37 > 1:17:41reach a Dior but what will be pivotal, I think, will be the

1:17:41 > 1:17:45relationship that they strike up, how they get on. And why that

1:17:45 > 1:17:51matters is because the hope of the British government is, at the end of

1:17:51 > 1:17:54the day, individual countries will cut Britain a good deal. In other

1:17:54 > 1:17:59words, they will take a swerve around the EU's chief negotiator in

1:17:59 > 1:18:04Brussels and will be able to strike a deal with individual countries.

1:18:04 > 1:18:08And for that reason the Howard Theresa May gets on with the French

1:18:08 > 1:18:13president is crucial. She was a good relationship, convivial, she wants

1:18:13 > 1:18:18to be sympathetic when it comes down to hard details about negotiating a

1:18:18 > 1:18:24trade deal., Thank you, Norman Smith. Coming up, President Trump

1:18:24 > 1:18:30unveils the winners of what he calls his news awards. In case you were

1:18:30 > 1:18:36wondering, the BBC didn't make the cut!

1:18:38 > 1:18:42When we order food online, take our car to be repaired or something like

1:18:42 > 1:18:53that we expect our details to be stored safely.

1:18:53 > 1:18:59stored safely. When Michelle ordered a meal, hurt delivery man contacted

1:18:59 > 1:19:04her via WhatsApp and asked if she had a boyfriend. The messages were

1:19:04 > 1:19:09signed with "Good night baby, see you next time I might get your

1:19:09 > 1:19:14meal." She has since received dozens of message with people who have had

1:19:14 > 1:19:18similar experiences. Here are some of the responses that Michelle

1:19:18 > 1:19:21received on Twitter. Abigail wrote, this happened to me before with a

1:19:21 > 1:19:25pizza delivery guy about ten years ago and a man who collected me and

1:19:25 > 1:19:29my car when I broke down. Lizzie said, same thing happened to me and

1:19:29 > 1:19:35they just said, what would you like us to do. It is ridiculous, I didn't

1:19:35 > 1:19:38even get a voucher, it wasn't even my driver who sent the messages, he

1:19:38 > 1:19:43passed my driver to another -- he passed a man about to another drive

1:19:43 > 1:19:43at the restaurant.

1:19:43 > 1:19:46Let's speak now to Michelle Midwinter and to Hannah Galliers,

1:19:46 > 1:19:49who also received unwanted messages from a shop worker after taking her

1:19:49 > 1:19:50phone in to be repaired.

1:19:50 > 1:19:56Thank you the coming on the programme. You and ordered your meal

1:19:56 > 1:20:01on JustEat. What happened.I opened the door to the delivery guy come he

1:20:01 > 1:20:05didn't say anything, he just stared at me, handed me my food and backed

1:20:05 > 1:20:12away. I thought this was a bit odd and commented that this was weird. I

1:20:12 > 1:20:15ate the food and a couple of hours later I received a message saying Hi

1:20:15 > 1:20:21from him. And then when he responded saying he had delivered my food I

1:20:21 > 1:20:28was shocked because I thought he had been angry in the first place. So it

1:20:28 > 1:20:36was quite unsettling. I put a little exchange of the text messages onto

1:20:36 > 1:20:40my Facebook, and to my friends and that's when people started saying

1:20:40 > 1:20:44they had had similar experiences. The same guy had sent messages to

1:20:44 > 1:20:49two people that I know. I put his number into Facebook and said he had

1:20:49 > 1:20:56a wife and child. I thought, this is not harmless flirty behaviour, this

1:20:56 > 1:21:01is quite predatory.How did you respond to his text?At first I was

1:21:01 > 1:21:09a bit surprised but I was thinking, I thought it was a bit cheeky at

1:21:09 > 1:21:13first and then some of the things he said made me feel more

1:21:13 > 1:21:20uncomfortable.If it simply had been funny it is still an abuse of your

1:21:20 > 1:21:23private information. A new complaint to JustEat what was their response.

1:21:23 > 1:21:30First they asked me to leave a review for the restaurant so they

1:21:30 > 1:21:34could improve... They told me to do that. I asked if they were serious

1:21:34 > 1:21:41and then she said, we can offer you a £5 voucher for the inconvenience.

1:21:41 > 1:21:46I said, I think you're missing the point. I wanted them to contact the

1:21:46 > 1:21:49restaurant on my behalf and tell them why this was not acceptable.

1:21:49 > 1:21:58They then increase the offer and said, we will offer you £10.Wow!

1:21:58 > 1:22:03Yeah! I was more shocked by the response from JustEat than I was...

1:22:03 > 1:22:07We got a touch with them and they gave a statement and acknowledged

1:22:07 > 1:22:11that the way that you were dealt with was not good. They add, the

1:22:11 > 1:22:15safety and well-being of our customers is extremely important to

1:22:15 > 1:22:20us, we were deeply concerned to hear about this. By the restaurants our

1:22:20 > 1:22:23platform are independent from the JustEat business we hold ourselves

1:22:23 > 1:22:28to to high standards and expect all drivers are associated with our

1:22:28 > 1:22:30restaurant partners to ask responsibly and respectfully at all

1:22:30 > 1:22:38times. The driver has acted in a way that does not represent JustEat and

1:22:38 > 1:22:44our core values. Was not good enough?The director of JustEat

1:22:44 > 1:22:48apologised to me personally for the way this is handled and said he

1:22:48 > 1:22:52wanted to update me on the changes they were going to implement. He

1:22:52 > 1:22:55said they had immediately begin retraining the entire customer care

1:22:55 > 1:23:00team. They were also changing their policies and guidelines and also

1:23:00 > 1:23:03would be looking into changing the technology so that numbers were

1:23:03 > 1:23:11masked because they do not need the numbers.Hanekom halloo. A similar

1:23:11 > 1:23:21experience with a phone shop when you took your phone to be

1:23:21 > 1:23:25you took your phone to be repaired --.It was with my phone provider, I

1:23:25 > 1:23:29took my phone to be repaired, I got a message the next day saying it was

1:23:29 > 1:23:32repaired, I had never received a message from them before. But first

1:23:32 > 1:23:36I was polite and then the conversation turned to asking about

1:23:36 > 1:23:41me and my day. I thought that was weird. Then I got a message from a

1:23:41 > 1:23:43different number saying it was the same person and this was his

1:23:43 > 1:23:50personal number. Then he proceeded to ask me on a date. I was like, No

1:23:50 > 1:23:55and ignored his that the messages. He found me on Facebook, tried to

1:23:55 > 1:24:00message me on there. I ignored it. I was younger, I did not know what to

1:24:00 > 1:24:04do. I think that's the case, many women don't know where to make their

1:24:04 > 1:24:11complaints.To the company, obviously.

1:24:11 > 1:24:17obviously.I put my initial JustEat screen chat on to Twitter and this

1:24:17 > 1:24:23is where it got so much attention. -- the screenshot. Many women said

1:24:23 > 1:24:29they were either too scared to say something, or if they did say

1:24:29 > 1:24:32something, people would reply, he does that all the time, it is

1:24:32 > 1:24:35harmless.Not only does that person have your number, they know where

1:24:35 > 1:24:39you live because they have just brought food around. That's not

1:24:39 > 1:24:47good, is it. Hopefully from what JustEat have said, this will change.

1:24:47 > 1:24:52It is shocking customer relations, apart from anything else, it is bad

1:24:52 > 1:24:55PR for companies. Those employees need to be properly trained, don't

1:24:55 > 1:25:02they?Complaints procedures need to be looked at so that these things

1:25:02 > 1:25:07are taken seriously. And we need to empower women to have a voice and

1:25:07 > 1:25:11stand up for it, and call it out when they feel uncomfortable. Even

1:25:11 > 1:25:18if it seems harmless, it is breaking the privacy policy and it is the

1:25:18 > 1:25:23misuse of peoples personal data. It is a much bigger issue than just a

1:25:23 > 1:25:31little text message.Absolutely, you both. Let me bring you this news,

1:25:31 > 1:25:34Chris Tarrant has pleaded guilty at Reading Magistrates' Court to

1:25:34 > 1:25:41drink-driving. This news just in.

1:25:41 > 1:25:44Patient safety in Accident and Emergency Units in Wales

1:25:44 > 1:25:45is being compromised to an "unacceptable degree"

1:25:45 > 1:25:52according to hospital consultants.

1:25:52 > 1:25:56Our correspondent Tomos Morgan is at Morriston Hospital in Swansea

1:25:56 > 1:26:04Good morning, tell us more.In the last few moments the A & E Road

1:26:04 > 1:26:08statistics for Wales in December have been revealed, December was the

1:26:08 > 1:26:15worst winter period for A & E on records as they began. This hospital

1:26:15 > 1:26:20saw only 60% of patients within a four hour time frame, it's the worst

1:26:20 > 1:26:24performing hospital on record in Wales. It's down from last year, as

1:26:24 > 1:26:29I said, on both the four hours and the 12 hour targets. With regard to

1:26:29 > 1:26:35the 12 hour targets the target is that nobody should have to wait that

1:26:35 > 1:26:39long but it appears that more people again have been waiting to be seen

1:26:39 > 1:26:45within that time frame. With regards to the letter you mentioned,

1:26:45 > 1:26:51Victoria, a number of consultants in A & E departments across Wales wrote

1:26:51 > 1:26:54to First Minister Carwyn Jones saying that the NHS and social care

1:26:54 > 1:26:58in Wales is chronically underfunded. This is a huge issue to do with A &

1:26:58 > 1:27:05E departments across Wales. The government says they have put an

1:27:05 > 1:27:10extra £60 million into patient care and do have winter plans in place

1:27:10 > 1:27:13but clearly these have not been enough to stem the flow. There's

1:27:13 > 1:27:18been an increase in patients coming into A & E departments across Wales.

1:27:18 > 1:27:23Huge increase also in the number of people that have been coming in with

1:27:23 > 1:27:32influenza rated symptoms. -- flu related symptoms. A huge increase of

1:27:32 > 1:27:37people coming into A & E departments and missing the Targus again and

1:27:37 > 1:27:41performance worsening across Welsh A & E departments.Thank you very

1:27:41 > 1:27:43much.

1:27:43 > 1:27:44Still to come:

1:27:44 > 1:27:46We have a special report from El Salvador and hear

1:27:46 > 1:27:48from women who say they've being wrongly sent to jail

1:27:48 > 1:27:50for having abortions, when actually they've

1:27:50 > 1:27:51suffered a miscarriage.

1:27:51 > 1:27:54And should all women over 30 be screened for a faulty gene linked

1:27:54 > 1:27:55to higher rates of cancer?

1:27:55 > 1:28:03We'll hear from someone with the BRCA gene.

1:28:04 > 1:28:09Time for the latest news, here's Annita.

1:28:09 > 1:28:11The headlines on BBC News.

1:28:11 > 1:28:19Theresa May will confirm this afternoon that Britain

1:28:20 > 1:28:23is to contribute an extra £44 and a half million to border

1:28:23 > 1:28:26security at French ports.

1:28:26 > 1:28:29The Prime Minister will also say the UK has agreed to take more

1:28:29 > 1:28:30migrants from Calais, particularly unaccompanied minors.

1:28:30 > 1:28:33She'll make the announcement at a summit with Emmanuel Macron

1:28:33 > 1:28:34at the Sandhurst military academy.

1:28:34 > 1:28:36Heavy snowfall is continuing to cause problems in parts

1:28:36 > 1:28:38of Scotland and northern England, with drivers warned to proceed

1:28:38 > 1:28:40with "extreme caution" while on the roads.

1:28:40 > 1:28:42Although travel warnings have been downgraded, police say

1:28:42 > 1:28:45there is still the likelihood of disruption and delays.

1:28:45 > 1:28:47Scottish Borders Council has closed all schools.

1:28:47 > 1:28:50Severe gales are affecting other parts of the UK with fallen

1:28:50 > 1:28:52trees and power outages.

1:28:52 > 1:28:59Some areas reported gusts of up to 70 miles per hour.

1:28:59 > 1:29:03There are calls for all women over the age of 30 to be screened

1:29:03 > 1:29:06for a faulty gene linked to higher rates of breast and ovarian cancer.

1:29:06 > 1:29:09Research by the Barts Cancer Institute in London

1:29:09 > 1:29:12Found testing would prevent thousands of cancers and be

1:29:12 > 1:29:20cost-effective for the NHS.

1:29:20 > 1:29:22Taxpayers owe private companies £199 billion

1:29:22 > 1:29:24for schemes set up under Private Finance Initiatives,

1:29:24 > 1:29:25according to the government's spending watchdog.

1:29:25 > 1:29:27The National Audit Office found 716 deals were currently operational

1:29:27 > 1:29:30under PFI and its successor, PF2, with annual costs amounting

1:29:30 > 1:29:32to more than £10 billion.

1:29:32 > 1:29:34The report was written before the collapse of Carillion,

1:29:34 > 1:29:36which held a number of contracts.

1:29:36 > 1:29:39The government says PFI schemes are more transparent and offer

1:29:39 > 1:29:41better value for money.

1:29:41 > 1:29:49That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

1:29:49 > 1:29:55It's half past ten and here's some sport with Hugh.

1:29:55 > 1:29:58There was a disappointing defeat for British Number One Johanna Konta

1:29:58 > 1:29:59at the Australian Open.

1:29:59 > 1:30:06The number 9 seed was shocked in the second round,

1:30:06 > 1:30:08beaten by the world number 123 Bernarda Pera in straight sets.

1:30:08 > 1:30:13Konta said afterwards it's not a massive catastrophe.

1:30:13 > 1:30:15The new Video Assistant Referee system caused its first strong

1:30:15 > 1:30:18debate last night with the former England captain calling it

1:30:18 > 1:30:21calling it a shambles - after Chelsea were not awarded

1:30:21 > 1:30:25a penalty in their FA Cup third round win over Norwich.

1:30:25 > 1:30:28The shock of the night in the FA Cup though came at Wigan,

1:30:28 > 1:30:30where the League One side knocked out Premier League Bournemouth

1:30:30 > 1:30:32beating them 3-0.

1:30:32 > 1:30:34Elsewhere, Swansea beat Wolves 2-1.

1:30:34 > 1:30:36And defending champions England have named their Six Nations squad

1:30:36 > 1:30:41for their first match against Italy.

1:30:41 > 1:30:43Eight uncapped players are named by Eddie Jones including

1:30:43 > 1:30:49Northampton's Harry Mallinder.

1:30:49 > 1:30:53Michelle so she was contacted by a supermarket delivery driver "I

1:30:53 > 1:30:59didn't tell the supermarket, it was creepy". Another viewer says my

1:30:59 > 1:31:02daughter had several inappropriate text messages from a delivery goods

1:31:02 > 1:31:07driver. 12. The manager was dismissive. Another person says use

1:31:07 > 1:31:13of personal data for anything other than the purpose it is collected for

1:31:13 > 1:31:16is a breach of data protection laws. Take note.

1:31:16 > 1:31:18There was no red carpet, but Donald Trump has

1:31:18 > 1:31:20unveiled his highly anticipated "fake news" awards.

1:31:20 > 1:31:28He did this via Twitter, linking to a website GOP.com,

1:31:29 > 1:31:30a Republican site, listing the winners,

1:31:30 > 1:31:32the website crashed soon after it went live,

1:31:32 > 1:31:33but later recovered.

1:31:33 > 1:31:36The intro reads this: 2017 was a year of unrelenting bias,

1:31:36 > 1:31:38unfair news coverage, and even downright fake news and

1:31:38 > 1:31:40studies have shown that over 90% of the media's coverage

1:31:40 > 1:31:43of President Trump is negative.

1:31:45 > 1:31:47The site then went on to list the awards,

1:31:47 > 1:31:49essentially a rollcall of reports that were wrong

1:31:49 > 1:31:52and had to be corrected.

1:31:52 > 1:31:53The "winners" were CNN, mentioned four times;

1:31:53 > 1:31:56The New York Times, with two mentions, and ABC,

1:31:56 > 1:32:02The Washington Post, Time and Newsweek, with one mention each.

1:32:02 > 1:32:05Taking top spot was the New York Times's Paul Krugman's

1:32:05 > 1:32:07opinion piece, which claimed on the day of Trump's presidential

1:32:07 > 1:32:13victory, that the economy would never recover.

1:32:13 > 1:32:15Three days later, Mr Krugman retracted his prediction

1:32:15 > 1:32:21of an economic collapse, saying he had overreacted.

1:32:21 > 1:32:23ABC News' Brian Ross was second place.

1:32:23 > 1:32:25ABC "chokes and sends markets in a downward spiral with false

1:32:25 > 1:32:27report," the website said.

1:32:27 > 1:32:31report," the website said.

1:32:31 > 1:32:34ABC apologised and suspended Mr Ross for four weeks without pay over

1:32:34 > 1:32:37mistakes in the report.

1:32:37 > 1:32:39CNN got the third prize for reporting that Donald Trump

1:32:39 > 1:32:41and his oldest son Donald Trump Junior had received

1:32:41 > 1:32:41and his oldest son Donald Trump Junior had received

1:32:41 > 1:32:43an email offering access to hacked Wilileaks files

1:32:43 > 1:32:50during the Presidential election campaign.

1:32:51 > 1:32:53CNN issued a retraction, admitting that it got the date wrong

1:32:53 > 1:32:57and that the material was already in the public domain.

1:32:57 > 1:32:59Time magazine was fourth, for falsely reporting that Trump

1:32:59 > 1:33:02removed a bust of Martin Luther King from the Oval Office.

1:33:02 > 1:33:08And so it goes on.

1:33:08 > 1:33:11At number six, it claims CNN "falsely edited a video to make it

1:33:11 > 1:33:13appear President Trump defiantly overfed fish during a visit

1:33:13 > 1:33:19with the Japanese Prime Minister.

1:33:19 > 1:33:21The Japanese prime minister actually led the way

1:33:21 > 1:33:29with the feeding", the site said.

1:33:30 > 1:33:32Next on the programme, we're going to show you part

1:33:32 > 1:33:35of a documentary about a teenager from El Salvador who says she's been

1:33:35 > 1:33:40sentenced for murder after suffering a miscarriage.

1:33:40 > 1:33:42The Central American country is often thought of as having some

1:33:42 > 1:33:45of the strictest abortion laws in the world.

1:33:45 > 1:33:51All forms of abortion are illegal, no matter what the circumstances.

1:33:51 > 1:33:55But some women say they are being sent to jail for having abortions

1:33:55 > 1:34:00when actually they've had a miscarriage or stillbirth.

1:34:00 > 1:34:05The BBC's Benjamin Zand went

1:34:05 > 1:34:06to meet Evelyn Haernandez,

1:34:06 > 1:34:09a teenager who says she had a miscarriage after being

1:34:09 > 1:34:11raped by a gang member and is now serving 30

1:34:11 > 1:34:15years in jail for murder.

1:34:15 > 1:34:17Just to let you know, this film has graphic

1:34:17 > 1:34:19discussions and themes throughout that some people may

1:34:19 > 1:34:20find upsetting.

1:34:20 > 1:34:22Abortion in all forms is banned in El Salvador.

1:34:22 > 1:34:25Including in cases of incest, rape and where a woman's

1:34:25 > 1:34:32life is at risk.

1:34:32 > 1:34:34Since 1998, it's estimated over 600 women have been

1:34:34 > 1:34:36imprisoned under these laws.

1:34:36 > 1:34:37Some are serving sentences of up to 40

1:34:37 > 1:34:39years for aggravated murder.

1:34:39 > 1:34:40Even more shockingly, I'd heard many of

1:34:40 > 1:34:44the murder convictions are people who have had miscarriages.

1:34:44 > 1:34:46There was one case in particular I had been

1:34:46 > 1:34:48hearing about involving a woman called Evelyn.

1:34:48 > 1:34:52Evelyn is from a poor rural family.

1:34:52 > 1:34:55In July, 2017, at the age of 19, she was sentenced

1:34:55 > 1:34:58to 30 years in jail.

1:34:58 > 1:35:00The prosecution accused her of homicide.

1:35:00 > 1:35:03But Evelyn and her defence say she had a miscarriage.

1:35:03 > 1:35:06I arranged to meet her mum to find out more.

1:35:40 > 1:35:41And then what happened?

1:35:41 > 1:35:48How did she end up in the hands of the police?

1:36:56 > 1:37:01Evelyn's story was hard to believe.

1:37:01 > 1:37:04How could a woman who had apparently had a miscarriage be

1:37:04 > 1:37:06sentenced to 30 years in prison?

1:37:06 > 1:37:08I wanted to know more about the case.

1:37:08 > 1:37:14So I went to meet Evelyn's lawyer, Dennis Munoz.

1:37:14 > 1:37:17Dennis is one of the few lawyers in the country

1:37:17 > 1:37:20prepared to work on cases like Evelyn's.

1:37:20 > 1:37:22They are controversial and he's been derogatively labelled as the

1:37:22 > 1:37:24"pro-abortion lawyer".

1:37:24 > 1:37:26How is it possible that a teenager, who has a

1:37:26 > 1:37:29miscarriage, can be sent to jail for 30 years?

1:38:05 > 1:38:12Evelyn is an example of that?

1:38:14 > 1:38:16It sounds like you're saying that any woman who has a

1:38:16 > 1:38:24miscarriage is at risk of being sentenced to 30 years in jail.

1:38:25 > 1:38:27So, no matter your views on abortion,

1:38:27 > 1:38:29whether you are for it or against it,

1:38:29 > 1:38:30the surprising thing about the

1:38:30 > 1:38:32cases Dennis represents is that the majority

1:38:32 > 1:38:33of them have nothing to do

1:38:33 > 1:38:37with abortion.

1:38:37 > 1:38:39They are, in fact, stillbirths or miscarriages.

1:38:39 > 1:38:42And you'd be hard-pressed to find somebody who truly believes that a

1:38:42 > 1:38:45woman should spend 30 years in jail for having a miscarriage.

1:38:51 > 1:38:53Ricardo Parker is a right-wing parliamentarian for the ARENA

1:38:53 > 1:38:57political party here.

1:38:57 > 1:39:00We'd agreed to meet.

1:39:02 > 1:39:02Hello, how are you doing?

1:39:02 > 1:39:04Very nice to meet you.

1:39:04 > 1:39:06He is one of the most hardline anti-abortionists in

1:39:06 > 1:39:12the country.

1:39:12 > 1:39:15Not only does he think Evelyn is guilty, he thinks people like her

1:39:15 > 1:39:17should be sent to jail for even longer.

1:39:17 > 1:39:19Our constitution in Article One states that we recognise

1:39:19 > 1:39:22a human being from the moment of conception so I don't see the

1:39:22 > 1:39:24difference between killing a kid and killing a baby

1:39:24 > 1:39:26inside the womb of its mother.

1:39:26 > 1:39:29Someone like Evelyn says she was sentenced because it was a

1:39:29 > 1:39:30homicide...

1:39:30 > 1:39:31Yeah, homicide.

1:39:31 > 1:39:33But was the argument not that she didn't

1:39:33 > 1:39:36know that she was pregnant and gave birth, she had a stillbirth?

1:39:36 > 1:39:37And she killed the baby.

1:39:37 > 1:39:38How did she kill the baby?

1:39:38 > 1:39:43One of the cases was mechanical strangling.

1:39:43 > 1:39:46The other was with a brick, a stone, breaking the baby's skull.

1:39:46 > 1:39:47I just need to clarify something.

1:39:47 > 1:39:50I found no evidence that this was true.

1:39:50 > 1:39:53There doesn't seem to be anything in Evelyn's case that

1:39:53 > 1:39:54states physical injuries.

1:39:54 > 1:39:55She didn't know she was pregnant.

1:39:55 > 1:39:57She had a stillbirth in a house.

1:39:57 > 1:39:59She did not know that she was pregnant?

1:39:59 > 1:40:02For real?

1:40:02 > 1:40:03That is the argument?

1:40:03 > 1:40:05Have you ever been pregnant? No, I am a man.

1:40:05 > 1:40:08But there are cases where women have been pregnant and not

1:40:08 > 1:40:10known they are pregnant.

1:40:10 > 1:40:12Yeah, there are cases...

1:40:12 > 1:40:15How do you know that she was not one of these cases?

1:40:15 > 1:40:16Well, you see, go read the file.

1:40:16 > 1:40:18The psychiatrist who had the file told me...

1:40:18 > 1:40:19They are lying.

1:40:19 > 1:40:22Ricardo Parker is at the extreme end of the abortion

1:40:22 > 1:40:24debate in this country.

1:40:24 > 1:40:26There are other political parties trying to loosen abortion laws.

1:40:26 > 1:40:32As of yet, though, there have been no changes.

1:40:32 > 1:40:35Evelyn's case partly hinged on the prosecution's argument

1:40:35 > 1:40:37that she'd avoided antenatal care.

1:40:37 > 1:40:39They said this was tantamount to killing the child.

1:40:39 > 1:40:45But Evelyn says she did not even know that she was pregnant.

1:40:45 > 1:40:49I wanted to talk to a doctor about this, to see what their opinion

1:40:49 > 1:40:53was on Evelyn's situation but it wasn't easy.

1:40:53 > 1:41:00Finally, I found one who would talk, but this was no ordinary doctor.

1:41:00 > 1:41:03He was one of the very few willing to carry out abortions in El

1:41:03 > 1:41:08Salvador, risking 12 years in jail.

1:41:08 > 1:41:11In a case like Evelyn, where her defenders say

1:41:11 > 1:41:13she had a stillbirth, or a miscarriage, in those types of

1:41:13 > 1:41:21cases what do you think has happened?

1:41:44 > 1:41:47For the past few years, El Salvador has been listed among

1:41:47 > 1:41:49the world's deadliest countries for women and ranks

1:41:49 > 1:41:50first in Latin America.

1:41:50 > 1:41:54A huge issue with rape is part of this, taking place both in

1:41:54 > 1:41:57people's homes, by relatives, and as a form of control by gangs.

1:41:57 > 1:41:59It was thought Evelyn herself was in a forceful

1:41:59 > 1:42:01relationship with a gang member, which made things much more

1:42:01 > 1:42:08complicated.

1:42:22 > 1:42:24El Salvador's problem with gangs is out of control, with

1:42:24 > 1:42:26thousands of young men joining their ranks and living

1:42:26 > 1:42:30by their violent code.

1:42:30 > 1:42:34They have become infamous for their terrible treatment of women.

1:42:34 > 1:42:39If Evelyn was raped by a gang member, it may

1:42:39 > 1:42:42explain why no-one knew of her pregnancy and why she may have

1:42:42 > 1:42:44had difficulty recognising any signs of it.

1:42:44 > 1:42:49Late at night, I found a gang member who was willing to talk to me.

1:42:49 > 1:42:52If you were in a relationship with a girl and she decided that she

1:42:52 > 1:43:00wanted to leave you, how would you react?

1:43:04 > 1:43:07What happens if the girl gets pregnant, if you were going out with

1:43:07 > 1:43:10the girl, if you don't want the baby, or if you do,

1:43:10 > 1:43:13what are you going to do?

1:43:24 > 1:43:27At this point, I just wanted to speak to Evelyn myself,

1:43:27 > 1:43:31to see what life had been like, over the last 18 months.

1:43:31 > 1:43:33And to hear her account of what happened.

1:43:33 > 1:43:34Finally, I got my chance.

1:43:34 > 1:43:37The prison said they'd let me in.

1:43:37 > 1:43:39I was meeting her lawyer again, Dennis

1:43:39 > 1:43:41Munoz, to head there.

1:43:41 > 1:43:48Tell me a bit about the prison that she is in now.

1:44:20 > 1:44:26How has your time been in prison?

1:44:43 > 1:44:47There was some report that a member of a gang might have had something

1:44:47 > 1:44:48to do with the pregnancy.

1:44:48 > 1:44:55Is that true or is that not true?

1:45:15 > 1:45:18The case was concluded that you had killed

1:45:18 > 1:45:21your child.

1:45:21 > 1:45:29What actually happened, in your eyes?

1:45:56 > 1:46:01What do you think of the abortion laws in this country

1:46:01 > 1:46:09that led you to being sentenced to jail for so long?

1:46:19 > 1:46:27How many other people here are in situations like yours?

1:46:29 > 1:46:32This is a depressing story, whatever way you look at it.

1:46:32 > 1:46:37On the defence's side, this is a teenager

1:46:37 > 1:46:39who'd had a miscarriage after being raped in a violent relationship.

1:46:39 > 1:46:41On the prosecution's side, Evelyn murdered her own child.

1:46:41 > 1:46:44Her lawyer is confident she'll get out, and said

1:46:44 > 1:46:47there will be a Supreme Court appeal in early 2018.

1:46:47 > 1:46:49But in the meantime, Evelyn will stay where she is, with

1:46:49 > 1:46:5728 years left on her sentence.

1:47:01 > 1:47:05You can watch the full extended version of the film,

1:47:05 > 1:47:08Miscarriage to Murder, and the rest of Benjamin Zand's

1:47:08 > 1:47:15BBC Stories series - Cults, Gangs and God -

1:47:15 > 1:47:21Thank you for your comments on the collapse of rape trials. One message

1:47:21 > 1:47:27says, please do not judge our integrity, officers can be running

1:47:27 > 1:47:33ten cases at a time is mistakes are made. We are talking about this

1:47:33 > 1:47:35today, because

1:47:35 > 1:47:38because some of the country's most senior police officers,

1:47:38 > 1:47:40barristers and prosecutors are meeting this morning to discuss

1:47:40 > 1:47:42ways to address problems caused by the non-disclosure of evidence.

1:47:42 > 1:47:47earlier we heard from a lawyer who had been defending someone accused

1:47:47 > 1:47:52of rape, case which collapsed when his defence team found photos of him

1:47:52 > 1:47:58and his alleged victim cuddling in bed.He was arrested 18 months ago,

1:47:58 > 1:48:03bailed, his phone was seized and as a result information was downloaded,

1:48:03 > 1:48:07it appeared that the downloads did not include pictures which later

1:48:07 > 1:48:13came to life.And presumably your client told you, I know that there

1:48:13 > 1:48:19are pictures on my phone.He did. How come they were not disclosed by

1:48:19 > 1:48:26the police?Download had presumably been completed by the police

1:48:26 > 1:48:29officers in the case, we don't know why these pictures did not come to

1:48:29 > 1:48:35light but we were able to download the pictures ourselves.It could be

1:48:35 > 1:48:39technical incompetence or something more sinister, the download happened

1:48:39 > 1:48:41and the photographs were kept back because they could undermine the

1:48:41 > 1:48:47prosecution case.Are not suggesting anything sinister but I think there

1:48:47 > 1:48:54has been a technical failing.

1:48:54 > 1:48:55Right.

1:48:55 > 1:48:57You managed to get the phone.

1:48:57 > 1:48:58I did.

1:48:58 > 1:48:59And did what differently?

1:48:59 > 1:49:01I got my own download I got my own experts.

1:49:01 > 1:49:03Thankfully, we found the images.

1:49:03 > 1:49:06Mr Makele is also from Eritrea, he doesn't speak the best English.

1:49:06 > 1:49:08Thankfully, we were able to facilitate a proper interview with

1:49:08 > 1:49:10him and obtain all the information.

1:49:10 > 1:49:11Right.

1:49:11 > 1:49:14But this has been going on for 18 months.

1:49:14 > 1:49:16So, had the photos emerged much earlier, this

1:49:16 > 1:49:17case would clearly...

1:49:17 > 1:49:25He may never have been charged in the first place.

1:49:26 > 1:49:29It certainly would not have come to court.

1:49:29 > 1:49:32I don't want to talk about hypotheticals,

1:49:32 > 1:49:33about shoulda, woulda, couldas.

1:49:33 > 1:49:36It could have been the case that this evidence or the

1:49:36 > 1:49:38telephone could have gone missing and he could been convicted of an

1:49:38 > 1:49:40offence where crucial evidence could have been

1:49:40 > 1:49:41available to the court.

1:49:41 > 1:49:43And he could have had a fair trial.

1:49:43 > 1:49:46Testing all women over the age of 30 for breast and ovarian cancer gene

1:49:46 > 1:49:48mutations could save 12,000 lives, according to researchers.

1:49:48 > 1:49:53Tests are normally offered only to high-risk families.

1:49:53 > 1:50:00The study by doctors at the Barts Cancer Institute

1:50:02 > 1:50:04in London suggested that blanket screening

1:50:04 > 1:50:05would prevent thousands of

1:50:05 > 1:50:10breast cancers and 17 thousand ovarian cancers.

1:50:10 > 1:50:15One expert said it would be a sensible move.

1:50:15 > 1:50:20We estimate that thousands of people at risk to not meet the current

1:50:20 > 1:50:24criteria for testing and therefore would be missed. This new strategy

1:50:24 > 1:50:29offers is the chance to identify more women at risk and offered them

1:50:29 > 1:50:33screening and prevention and therefore save more lives.

1:50:33 > 1:50:38Rachel Williams is a nurse specialising in breast Cancer care,

1:50:38 > 1:50:45Kirsten Williams had a faulty gene and when the surgery. Kirsten, thank

1:50:45 > 1:50:51you for talking to us. You were tested for the BRCA gene after the

1:50:51 > 1:50:56death of your mum from cancer that started as a variant. When it came

1:50:56 > 1:51:00back positive for you what were the conversations you had with your

1:51:00 > 1:51:05partner and the decisions you had to make?We had long conversations

1:51:05 > 1:51:13about what would happen if I came back positive. And we both decided

1:51:13 > 1:51:20that, once the children were old enough to be in full-time school,

1:51:20 > 1:51:24any prophylactic surgery that was offered I would take up.What

1:51:24 > 1:51:31surgery did you have in the end?

1:51:31 > 1:51:34surgery did you have in the end?I had one operation where they took

1:51:34 > 1:51:38both of my ovaries, reducing the chances of ovarian cancer down to

1:51:38 > 1:51:45pretty much zero. I went for that one first because it has the lowest

1:51:45 > 1:51:50time for recovery, and ovarian cancer is the one that will kill you

1:51:50 > 1:52:00with virtually no warning. It was what got my mum.

1:52:01 > 1:52:04what got my mum. The other surgery that I was offered was a bilateral

1:52:04 > 1:52:09mastectomy. To get rid of all the breast tissue that could possibly

1:52:09 > 1:52:19get infected or cancerous. Which I went for in late 2015.Right. What

1:52:19 > 1:52:25do you think of the suggestion from these researchers that screening all

1:52:25 > 1:52:30women over 30, which is something like 27 million women in this

1:52:30 > 1:52:34country, would save 12,000 lives and in the long run would save the NHS

1:52:34 > 1:52:40money?I think it would be an absolutely fantastic idea. Having

1:52:40 > 1:52:49gone through all the stress and hassle of annual mammograms and

1:52:49 > 1:52:51scans and simply not knowing, and thinking that every tiny bump I

1:52:51 > 1:52:58found might be cancerous, the sheer saving in stress alone would be

1:52:58 > 1:53:06brilliant.Let me bring in Rachel Rawson from Breast Cancer Care,

1:53:06 > 1:53:11thank you for talking to us. What do you make of this proposal?It's very

1:53:11 > 1:53:16early days. I think is interesting. And for the feature that we will

1:53:16 > 1:53:20have a test that potentially could help and support a lot of women but

1:53:20 > 1:53:25we mustn't forget the consequence of genetic testing and the fact that

1:53:25 > 1:53:30once you have this positive test the ripple effect that can happen from

1:53:30 > 1:53:34that in terms of making decisions about risk reducing surgery, we have

1:53:34 > 1:53:40heard her difficult those decisions can be about having the ovaries

1:53:40 > 1:53:43removed which means that if you are a young woman, losing your

1:53:43 > 1:53:49fertility, potentially, losing your breasts and everything that entails,

1:53:49 > 1:53:53and going through major surgery related to that, it can be really

1:53:53 > 1:53:57hard. And then the impact that can have on the family, and the children

1:53:57 > 1:54:04of the person who has been tested, the parents of, we hear many, many

1:54:04 > 1:54:08times our helpline at Cancer care how hard these decisions can be and

1:54:08 > 1:54:14again how it affects people. Unbelievably hard decisions to

1:54:14 > 1:54:19decide as Kirsten did to have her breasts and ovaries removed, and I

1:54:19 > 1:54:23will talk about her children with her in a moment. Yet if the

1:54:23 > 1:54:26alternative is breast Cancer you can see why there might be a clamour for

1:54:26 > 1:54:32this testing for all women over 30, can't you?I can absolutely see

1:54:32 > 1:54:37that. But we mustn't forget the personal effect this will have, and

1:54:37 > 1:54:42potentially on people having a positive test.But better to know

1:54:42 > 1:54:51than not know?As long as the support is there, knowing that the

1:54:51 > 1:54:56decisions are being made with support.Kirsten, you have children.