0:00:09 > 0:00:12Hello, it's Wednesday, it's nine o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire -
0:00:12 > 0:00:13welcome to the programme.
0:00:13 > 0:00:18How has Scotland managed to cut knife crime by 70% in a decade,
0:00:18 > 0:00:26when in England and Wales, it's on the rise?
0:00:31 > 0:00:36I've been stabbed in the back, punctured lungs...
0:00:36 > 0:00:38So, what lessons can be learnt?
0:00:38 > 0:00:39We have an exclusive report.
0:00:39 > 0:00:42The politician who helped London win the 2012 Olympic Games has spoken
0:00:42 > 0:00:44publicly for the first time to the BBC about being
0:00:44 > 0:00:51diagnosed with an aggressive form of brain cancer.
0:00:51 > 0:01:02I have not a single apparent... Symptom symptom.I felt it was
0:01:02 > 0:01:10something that I could deal with.
0:01:10 > 0:01:12We'll be speaking to a 22-year-old who' has survived
0:01:12 > 0:01:14three brain tumours.
0:01:14 > 0:01:18Also, on the programme...
0:01:18 > 0:01:19We'll talk live to the deaf mum
0:01:19 > 0:01:23who is suing the promoter of a gig by Little Mix for failing to provide
0:01:23 > 0:01:26a sign language interpreter for the two support acts.
0:01:33 > 0:01:38Hello and welcome to the programme - we're live until 11 this morning.
0:01:38 > 0:01:41We're going to bring you that exclusive film on knife crime
0:01:41 > 0:01:43at quarter past nine - incredible progress made in reducing
0:01:43 > 0:01:46knife crime in Scotland.
0:01:46 > 0:01:50If your family has been affected by knife crime,
0:01:50 > 0:01:53then we want to hear from you today.
0:01:53 > 0:01:55What happened, what impact did it have on your family
0:01:55 > 0:01:57and what's your solution to trying to tackle it?
0:01:57 > 0:02:02Use the hashtag #VictoriaLIVE, send me an email or Facebok message -
0:02:02 > 0:02:04and you don't have to leave your name, that's absolutely fine.
0:02:04 > 0:02:05Our top story today...
0:02:05 > 0:02:08More than 900 criminal cases were dropped last year in England
0:02:08 > 0:02:12and Wales due to a failure by police or prosecutors to follow
0:02:12 > 0:02:17the rules relating to the disclosure of evidence.
0:02:17 > 0:02:21Figures obtained by BBC News show a 70% increase in the number
0:02:21 > 0:02:23of collapsed cases over the course of two years.
0:02:23 > 0:02:27Our home affairs correspondent Danny Shaw reports.
0:02:27 > 0:02:30I was relieved not only for myself but also everyone that's been
0:02:30 > 0:02:32with me every step of the way.
0:02:32 > 0:02:34Under investigation for rape for two years,
0:02:34 > 0:02:37Liam Allen's life was on hold.
0:02:37 > 0:02:41Then, three days into his trial, his legal team received
0:02:41 > 0:02:45crucial information, and the prosecution was halted.
0:02:45 > 0:02:48The case highlighted problems with disclosure,
0:02:48 > 0:02:51the duty on police and prosecutors to pass on material which might
0:02:51 > 0:02:55assist the defence case or undermine the prosecution's.
0:02:55 > 0:02:59BBC News has obtained figures on how many people have been cleared or had
0:02:59 > 0:03:02allegations dropped against them because of disclosure failings.
0:03:02 > 0:03:07In 2014-15, proceedings were halted against 537 people.
0:03:07 > 0:03:11By last year, that number had risen to 916.
0:03:11 > 0:03:17That's a 70% increase in two years in the number of defendants cleared
0:03:17 > 0:03:25after disclosure failings emerged.
0:03:34 > 0:03:39The justice system has to have confidence in it.
0:03:39 > 0:03:42Without that, how can you expect anybody to respect the law and to
0:03:42 > 0:03:50have confidence in a civilised society?
0:03:53 > 0:03:56The Crown Prosecution Service pointed out that the number of cases
0:03:56 > 0:03:58which failed because of disclosure issues represented only a fraction,
0:03:58 > 0:03:590.15% of all prosecutions.
0:03:59 > 0:04:03But the CPS said that was still too many and it would take a collective
0:04:03 > 0:04:05effort across the criminal justice system to bring
0:04:05 > 0:04:06about an improvement.
0:04:06 > 0:04:07Danny Shaw, BBC News.
0:04:07 > 0:04:14We can speak to our reporter, who is here. What is disclosure?It is a
0:04:14 > 0:04:16good question. Police and prosecutors have to do two things in
0:04:16 > 0:04:21the build-up to a criminal trial. They have to show the defence any
0:04:21 > 0:04:24evidence which may help their case, and the prosecution any evidence
0:04:24 > 0:04:29which might undermine theirs potentially. When this is done
0:04:29 > 0:04:33openly, say, in the case of a serious rape trial, innocent people
0:04:33 > 0:04:38can go to prison if it is not done properly.And there have been a
0:04:38 > 0:04:41number of high-profile cases recently?Yes, we have had the case
0:04:41 > 0:04:45of Leon, was on this programme. There was also Isaac, who was
0:04:45 > 0:04:50charged with raping a child under 16. His case collapsed because the
0:04:50 > 0:04:55police were too late to pass on new, important evidence, sieges which
0:04:55 > 0:04:59showed the girl who was 16 at the time telling Isaac that she was in
0:04:59 > 0:05:05fact 19.We can bring you the rest of the news now. Ben Brown is in the
0:05:05 > 0:05:10newsroom.
0:05:10 > 0:05:12newsroom. Two newspapers have threatened legal action if the
0:05:12 > 0:05:16parole board does not publish its reasons for agreeing to release the
0:05:16 > 0:05:20convicted rapist John Worboys. The sun and the Daily Mail have written
0:05:20 > 0:05:24to the Justice Secretary and the Parole Board demanding a report
0:05:24 > 0:05:27within seven days or they say they will apply for judicial review. At
0:05:27 > 0:05:31both the Parole Board and the Ministry of Justice says drawers and
0:05:31 > 0:05:38legally prohibited from disclosing such decisions. One in a free 11
0:05:38 > 0:05:41patients in England is being prescribed medication which could be
0:05:41 > 0:05:45addictive difficult to stop taking, according to new NHS data. Public
0:05:45 > 0:05:48Health England is launching a year-long review into what it calls
0:05:48 > 0:05:52the growing problem of prescription drug addiction. It will look at
0:05:52 > 0:05:56sedatives, painkillers and antidepressants. Baroness Tessa
0:05:56 > 0:06:01Jowell, the former Labour minister, has been speaking for the first time
0:06:01 > 0:06:05about being diagnosed with a severe form of brain cancer. As Culture
0:06:05 > 0:06:09Secretary in Tony Blair's government, she led the successful
0:06:09 > 0:06:13bid for London to host the 2012 Olympic Games. On Thursday she will
0:06:13 > 0:06:17give a speech in the House of Lords about her illness and her thoughts
0:06:17 > 0:06:20on the way that cancer treatment could be improved. She has been
0:06:20 > 0:06:27speaking to the Today Programme's Nick Robinson.I feel every single
0:06:27 > 0:06:34bit of my determination to go on creating better opportunities for
0:06:34 > 0:06:43people managing cancer. I feel very clear about my sense of purpose and
0:06:43 > 0:06:51what I want to do. And how do I know how long it's going to last? I'm
0:06:51 > 0:06:59certainly going to do everything I can to make it a very long time.A
0:06:59 > 0:07:02deaf woman is suing the promoter of a concert by Little Mix for failing
0:07:02 > 0:07:08to provide a sign language interpreter for two support acts.
0:07:08 > 0:07:13She and two deaf friends took her daughter to a concert last year and
0:07:13 > 0:07:15after repeated requests an interpreter was provided for the
0:07:15 > 0:07:21main act but not for the support act. Bylaw, any organisation
0:07:21 > 0:07:25supplying a service to the public must make reasonable adjustments to
0:07:25 > 0:07:28accommodate those with disabilities. Talks aimed at restoring the
0:07:28 > 0:07:32coalition government in Northern Ireland are due to start today.
0:07:32 > 0:07:34Newly appointed Northern Ireland Secretary Karen Bradley will attend
0:07:34 > 0:07:38the talks at Stormont along with representatives from the region's
0:07:38 > 0:07:42five main parties. There has not been a functioning power-sharing
0:07:42 > 0:07:46executive for more than a year. The coalition between the democratic
0:07:46 > 0:07:50union and Sinn Fein collapsed last January.
0:07:50 > 0:07:52Liam Fox, the International Trade Secretary, has told the BBC
0:07:52 > 0:07:55the government is providing enough funding for the NHS but admitted it
0:07:55 > 0:07:58may be time for a national debate on how that money is spent.
0:07:58 > 0:08:01His comments come after Boris Johnson let it be known
0:08:01 > 0:08:06he would push in cabinet for more funding for the service.
0:08:06 > 0:08:09Dr Fox, a former GP, was speaking from the World Economic Forum
0:08:09 > 0:08:11in Davos, where he is hoping to lay the foundations for
0:08:11 > 0:08:15post-Brexit trade deals.
0:08:15 > 0:08:23I think it's very clear where our direction of travel is on health.
0:08:25 > 0:08:27We've spent £12.5 billion more since 2010 - that will be
0:08:27 > 0:08:29£16 billion more by 2020.
0:08:29 > 0:08:31And we've seen extra money for winter pressures this year,
0:08:31 > 0:08:37another £400 million, so the money's going in.
0:08:37 > 0:08:39If we have to have a debate in this country about how
0:08:39 > 0:08:41we spend that money, how we get better efficiency
0:08:41 > 0:08:44in the health service and make sure that more of the money goes
0:08:44 > 0:08:47through to the patients, I think that will be a good thing
0:08:47 > 0:08:50through to the patients, I think that would be a good thing
0:08:50 > 0:08:52not least as an ex-GP myself.
0:08:52 > 0:08:54The BBC has learned that three men from Britain are among a group of
0:08:54 > 0:08:57international volunteers who are due to join the fighting in Syria.
0:08:57 > 0:09:03Turkey has been continuing its offensive on a Kurdish held enclave.
0:09:03 > 0:09:06Many Western volunteers have been fighting with the Kurds against
0:09:06 > 0:09:09so-called Islamic State running warnings from the British
0:09:09 > 0:09:13Government. England and the United States have opted out of a new
0:09:13 > 0:09:16international test which will measure how much teenagers respect
0:09:16 > 0:09:20other cultures and whether they can spot fake news. The subject has been
0:09:20 > 0:09:26added to the influential tests run by the Organisation for Economic
0:09:26 > 0:09:29Co-operation and Development, which ranks education systems around the
0:09:29 > 0:09:32world.
0:09:32 > 0:09:35Stars of the small screen were on the red carpet last night,
0:09:35 > 0:09:36for the annual National Television Awards.
0:09:36 > 0:09:39Best Drama was won by the BBC series, Doctor Foster,
0:09:39 > 0:09:44with its star Suranne Jones taking home Best Drama Performance.
0:09:44 > 0:09:46Ant and Dec were named Best Presenters for the 17th time
0:09:46 > 0:09:54and also picked up the first ever Bruce Forsyth Entertainment Award.
0:09:55 > 0:09:59It's been a very emotional night tonight. It's been quite a year,
0:09:59 > 0:10:04quite a tough 12 months. So, winning this tonight really means a lot. I
0:10:04 > 0:10:09would personally like to thank Pepsi and my friends, some of you are here
0:10:09 > 0:10:12tonight. I love you, thank you very much. Thank you to all of you for
0:10:12 > 0:10:16your support, it really, really means a lot to me and it has helped
0:10:16 > 0:10:26me get through it. I love you, man! Hold it! Let's not
0:10:26 > 0:10:28Hold it! Let's not cry!
0:10:28 > 0:10:32That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30.
0:10:32 > 0:10:36Very happy for them, and for Sir David Attoub, who won the Impact
0:10:36 > 0:10:45Award. Time for some sport, with Holly. Phil Neville is the new
0:10:45 > 0:10:48England women's coach but for several reasons quite a few people
0:10:48 > 0:10:54are not happy about it?We can't hear you, Holly. You just need to
0:10:54 > 0:11:01put your microphone up, somehow. It has been questioned whether he has
0:11:01 > 0:11:05enough managerial experience to take on a roll as big as this one. We
0:11:05 > 0:11:09know that he was a coach at Manchester United and Valencia while
0:11:09 > 0:11:13his brother was manager and England U21s. But he has only managed one
0:11:13 > 0:11:19game and that is at Salford cities, the team he is the co-owner of.
0:11:19 > 0:11:24England and Chelsea midfielder Katie Chapman says, surely there must be
0:11:24 > 0:11:27coaches out there who have a lot more experience in the women's game
0:11:27 > 0:11:33and have actually been a manager! That of course is the next problem -
0:11:33 > 0:11:38how much experience does he have in the women's game specifically? Some
0:11:38 > 0:11:42people say it simply highlights that there is an issue in women's foot
0:11:42 > 0:11:46will - a lack of female coaches, something we've talked about in the
0:11:46 > 0:11:50past. Just three of the Women's Super League clubs are managed by
0:11:50 > 0:11:54women. We can now hear from former Arsenal and England defender Alex
0:11:54 > 0:11:58Scott.It is an interesting one, he has been involved in the game at the
0:11:58 > 0:12:03top level as a player and as an assistant manager. Maybe FA thought
0:12:03 > 0:12:06was this was the right important that he could add insights.
0:12:06 > 0:12:09Obviously, he has knocked in the women's game, I think that will be
0:12:09 > 0:12:13the main thing that people will look at. But he has people around him to
0:12:13 > 0:12:17draw on, and the experience of people like Casey Stoney, he is
0:12:17 > 0:12:21looking to move into a coaching role. As long as he builds the right
0:12:21 > 0:12:28network of people around him I am sure he will be fine.There is,
0:12:28 > 0:12:30Victoria, still some excitement around this appointment, especially
0:12:30 > 0:12:34among the players themselves. That I will say the eyes of the world will
0:12:34 > 0:12:38be watching. But sometimes perhaps in the women's game, is that a good
0:12:38 > 0:12:43thinker
0:12:43 > 0:12:46thinker thinker scheme they are certainly looking back at some of
0:12:46 > 0:12:51his tweets from a few years ago, which have emerged?Absolutely. This
0:12:51 > 0:12:54came out last night almost immediately after his appointment,
0:12:54 > 0:12:59not the best start. Rebel do this as soon there is a big appointment like
0:12:59 > 0:13:03this. They begin looking back at all tweets, trying to find something and
0:13:03 > 0:13:09it did not take them long. 2012, tweets from Phil Neville that he
0:13:09 > 0:13:13probably will be regretting. In one tweet in particular he attempts to
0:13:13 > 0:13:19clarify why in a previous tweet he had only addressed me in it and he
0:13:19 > 0:13:24wrote... When I said mourning, men, I thought the women would be busy
0:13:24 > 0:13:30preparing breakfast, getting kids ready! Sorry, mourning, women!
0:13:30 > 0:13:36Slightly unfortunate! And among those posts, that got thousands of
0:13:36 > 0:13:40retweets last night and he then deleted his Twitter account. But he
0:13:40 > 0:13:44will have to put this behind him. His first taste of women's football
0:13:44 > 0:13:48will involve taking on the top two teams in the world, the United
0:13:48 > 0:13:52States and Germany, then France in a tournament which begins on the 1st
0:13:52 > 0:13:55of March. He will probably not have time for Twitter between now and
0:13:55 > 0:14:01then!And what about the Australian Open in Golbourne?This morning we
0:14:01 > 0:14:06saw world number one Simona Halep doing through after she beat
0:14:06 > 0:14:09Karolina Pliskova in straight sets. She will meet Angelique Kerber
0:14:09 > 0:14:14tomorrow. Meanwhile South Korea got their first ever Grand Slam
0:14:14 > 0:14:22semifinalist. But will he face Roger Federer or Tomas Berdych? That
0:14:22 > 0:14:27quarterfinal is under way right now. Federer really not getting into his
0:14:27 > 0:14:33stride early in the first set. Tomas Berdych took an early lead. It
0:14:33 > 0:14:37looked like at one point he was about to take the first set, but
0:14:37 > 0:14:43Federer, as he does, is coming back fighting. That first set continues.
0:14:43 > 0:14:46Tomorrow morning, Kyle Edmund back on court, looking for his place in
0:14:46 > 0:14:51the final, against Marin Cilic. That is expected to begin at about half
0:14:51 > 0:14:58past eight.Right now the Brexit Secretary, David Davis, is appearing
0:14:58 > 0:15:01before the select committee whose job it is to scrutinise the whole
0:15:01 > 0:15:06process. We will bring you more on what he has to say to them later on
0:15:06 > 0:15:09in the programme. We're going to start today by talking about knife
0:15:09 > 0:15:15crime in Scotland, which has reduced by a massive 70%.
0:15:15 > 0:15:18But it's a very different story in England and Wales where it's
0:15:18 > 0:15:21at the highest level since at least 2011.
0:15:21 > 0:15:24So how have they done it?
0:15:24 > 0:15:26Well, the police in Scotland have adopted what's known
0:15:26 > 0:15:27as a "public health" approach.
0:15:27 > 0:15:30As well as increasing sentences for people caught carrying knives,
0:15:30 > 0:15:34they've engaged heavily with gang members and people working
0:15:34 > 0:15:40in education, health and social services.
0:15:40 > 0:15:43A senior member of the Scottish government told the Victoria
0:15:43 > 0:15:45Derbyshire programme that England and Wales may want consider
0:15:45 > 0:15:46changing their approach.
0:15:46 > 0:15:47Louis Lee Ray reports now from Scotland.
0:15:47 > 0:15:49A warning,
0:15:49 > 0:15:50his film contains graphic descriptions and images
0:15:50 > 0:15:56of violence from the start.
0:16:00 > 0:16:05Knife crime in England and Wales is at its highest level for years.
0:16:05 > 0:16:07Stabbed in the head.
0:16:07 > 0:16:09Fractured skulls.
0:16:09 > 0:16:11Stabbed in the back, punctured lungs.
0:16:11 > 0:16:14Last year, more than 200 people were fatally stabbed.
0:16:14 > 0:16:17You are walking into a situation where somebody has maybe been
0:16:17 > 0:16:19stabbed seven times.
0:16:19 > 0:16:21And you're saying, how are you doing?
0:16:21 > 0:16:23"I'm absolutely fine, aye, it's great."
0:16:23 > 0:16:25In Scotland, a different approach has seen the number
0:16:25 > 0:16:27of stabbings fall significantly.
0:16:27 > 0:16:29Over a period of time, young people's attitudes
0:16:29 > 0:16:32towards carrying weapons and carrying knives changed.
0:16:32 > 0:16:35We have seen a massive reduction in more serious forms of violence,
0:16:35 > 0:16:36particularly homicide.
0:16:36 > 0:16:39So, does the rest of the UK need to rethink the way it
0:16:39 > 0:16:42deals with knife crime?
0:16:52 > 0:16:56Guys went and played football, we went to try and stab each other.
0:16:56 > 0:16:58Callum is 26.
0:16:58 > 0:17:02He has been in and out of prison since he was a teenager.
0:17:02 > 0:17:04I grew up in the East End of Glasgow.
0:17:04 > 0:17:07I started to get involved in violence when I was about 12.
0:17:07 > 0:17:12Gang fighting, from the age of 12, 13, I remember getting brought
0:17:12 > 0:17:15in by the police when I was 13 years of age.
0:17:15 > 0:17:18It was for gang fighting and having an offensive weapon.
0:17:18 > 0:17:24And that was just, just seemed normal, for where I was from.
0:17:24 > 0:17:27And what kinds of things were you doing?
0:17:27 > 0:17:29Assaults, mobbing and rioting, carrying offensive weapons,
0:17:29 > 0:17:32breaching the peace.
0:17:32 > 0:17:37Continuously getting myself involved with the police.
0:17:37 > 0:17:40You've been injured a lot, I think, in fights.
0:17:40 > 0:17:48I've lost count.
0:17:52 > 0:17:54That gies ye some sort of pointer how many times
0:17:54 > 0:17:56I have been in and out
0:17:56 > 0:18:04of Accident & Emergency.
0:18:07 > 0:18:09I've nearly had my arm severed off.
0:18:09 > 0:18:10Stabbed in the head, fractured skulls,
0:18:10 > 0:18:11stabbed in the back, punctured skulls.
0:18:11 > 0:18:12Countless, countless times.
0:18:12 > 0:18:15It's amazing I'm still alive, to be honest with you.
0:18:15 > 0:18:16It's all fear-driven.
0:18:16 > 0:18:19You carry a knife because of fear, and then you fear that
0:18:19 > 0:18:20you've got a knife on you.
0:18:20 > 0:18:22It is riddled with ten different forms of fear.
0:18:22 > 0:18:25Scotland is in perfect when it comes to violent crime but stories
0:18:25 > 0:18:26like Calum's are increasingly rare.
0:18:26 > 0:18:29Back in 2005, parts of Scotland were much more violent.
0:18:29 > 0:18:31Knife crime, violent crime was more common.
0:18:31 > 0:18:34A UN report that year found that Scotland was the most violent place
0:18:34 > 0:18:35in the developed world.
0:18:35 > 0:18:43Another gave Glasgow an unwanted title, the murder capital of Europe.
0:18:47 > 0:18:54This is the Tollcross area.
0:18:54 > 0:18:56Round here, we had maybe at one point 20 different gangs,
0:18:56 > 0:18:58round this one park area.
0:18:58 > 0:19:00This was a really bad park for gang violence.
0:19:00 > 0:19:02Will Linden started working for the police in Scotland
0:19:02 > 0:19:03in the early 2000s.
0:19:03 > 0:19:06Glasgow had a notorious image for gangs, we had
0:19:06 > 0:19:13a generational problem for gangs.
0:19:13 > 0:19:14We had fathers and sons
0:19:14 > 0:19:17and grandsons being in the same gangs as their grandfathers.
0:19:17 > 0:19:21And it was almost omnipresent.
0:19:21 > 0:19:23In areas of our communities, areas known as gang territories
0:19:23 > 0:19:29rather than actual areas.
0:19:29 > 0:19:33Will helped to set up the violence reduction unit in 2005,
0:19:33 > 0:19:35it's run at arm's-length by Police Scotland,
0:19:35 > 0:19:37and funded by the government.
0:19:37 > 0:19:45One of their first jobs, to deal with Glasgow's gang problem.
0:19:48 > 0:19:50So we had 200-odd gang members turn up, two sittings,
0:19:50 > 0:19:51one in the morning,
0:19:51 > 0:19:52one in the afternoon.
0:19:52 > 0:19:54We did the call in.
0:19:54 > 0:19:56We had them in and we told them to stop offending,
0:19:56 > 0:20:00not necessarily stop offending, stop being violent.
0:20:00 > 0:20:02We did that three or four times.
0:20:02 > 0:20:04So all in all, possibly seen 800 gang members.
0:20:04 > 0:20:07I'm not saying the gangs have disappeared, the gangs still exist,
0:20:07 > 0:20:08but in much smaller numbers.
0:20:08 > 0:20:10It's a model of carrot and stick.
0:20:10 > 0:20:12What you basically say to the gang members is,
0:20:12 > 0:20:15if you persist in your gang fighting and your violence etc,
0:20:15 > 0:20:16we will arrest you.
0:20:16 > 0:20:20We will arrest you, we will charge you, you will end up in jail.
0:20:20 > 0:20:23However, if you want out, we will help you,
0:20:23 > 0:20:26we will support you, we will give you access to services
0:20:26 > 0:20:29and we will support you no matter what you want to do.
0:20:29 > 0:20:32The violence reduction unit took what is called the public health
0:20:32 > 0:20:34approach to violence and knife crime, they treated it
0:20:34 > 0:20:36like a disease, dealing with the causes rather
0:20:36 > 0:20:38than the symptoms.
0:20:38 > 0:20:41Scotland was often held up as being the knife capital,
0:20:41 > 0:20:44Glasgow in particular, of Western Europe.
0:20:44 > 0:20:47Trauma surgeons travelling throughout the world to come
0:20:47 > 0:20:49to the Glasgow Royal Infirmary, to learn how to deal
0:20:49 > 0:20:53with knife crime.
0:20:53 > 0:20:56But what we changed it to, to de-normalise the feeling that
0:20:56 > 0:21:00everybody else was carrying weapons, that actually, it actually meant
0:21:00 > 0:21:02that people started to realise, weapons were in the minority,
0:21:02 > 0:21:05weapons were no longer cool to carry.
0:21:05 > 0:21:08And what we've seen was, over a period of time,
0:21:08 > 0:21:12young people's attitudes towards carrying weapons
0:21:12 > 0:21:15and carrying knives changed, because a lot of our knife assaults
0:21:15 > 0:21:21were happenstance, people get caught in fights and somebody takes a knife
0:21:21 > 0:21:23out and stabbing someone.
0:21:23 > 0:21:25If you remove the knife from the situation, by addressing
0:21:25 > 0:21:27the kind of misconception about it, the seriousness of
0:21:27 > 0:21:28the violence reduces.
0:21:28 > 0:21:31The police in Scotland are still stopping and searching people.
0:21:31 > 0:21:33And they have upped the heavier sentence for carrying
0:21:33 > 0:21:35a knife to five years.
0:21:35 > 0:21:38But you're more likely to serve a community sentence than go to jail
0:21:38 > 0:21:42as a first-time offender.
0:21:42 > 0:21:47The unit runs a number of programmes to help those caught up in a knife
0:21:47 > 0:21:49life of violence, working with people
0:21:49 > 0:21:50in education, health, and social work across Scotland
0:21:50 > 0:21:54to reduce violent crime.
0:21:54 > 0:21:57The Royal Infirmary in Edinburgh is home to one of these schemes.
0:21:57 > 0:22:04These guys, in the pink T-shirts, are known as navigators.
0:22:04 > 0:22:07I guess our goals for navigating is to install hope that people can
0:22:07 > 0:22:11change, and empower people to take control of their own lives.
0:22:11 > 0:22:14They are here to speak to anyone who turns up in A&E.
0:22:14 > 0:22:16But mostly those who have got issues with drugs and alcohol
0:22:16 > 0:22:18and in particular people who have been stabbed.
0:22:18 > 0:22:20You're walking into a situation where somebody has been
0:22:20 > 0:22:28stabbed maybe seven times.
0:22:28 > 0:22:30You ask them, how are you doing?
0:22:30 > 0:22:31They say, I'm absolutely fine, aye, it's great.
0:22:31 > 0:22:33At that moment, when they're getting stitched up,
0:22:33 > 0:22:36and they're getting all the medical staff, there's nothing I can do,
0:22:36 > 0:22:37I'm not medically qualified.
0:22:37 > 0:22:41But I can take a step back and look at the situation and look
0:22:41 > 0:22:44at what is happening, I can then use that and it is
0:22:44 > 0:22:45a reality shock for them as well.
0:22:45 > 0:22:48Some people involved in this lifestyle get too used to it,
0:22:48 > 0:22:51they're able to brush things like that off and it's not
0:22:51 > 0:22:53a normal thing to do, but to bring someone back to reality
0:22:53 > 0:22:58and make them aware, balance between life and death,
0:22:58 > 0:23:01and see the emotion come flooding back in, and that is an opportunity
0:23:01 > 0:23:09that we can really pounce on.
0:23:09 > 0:23:11The navigators work here and in Glasgow,
0:23:11 > 0:23:13they use this moment in hospital to try to turn
0:23:13 > 0:23:20people's lives around.
0:23:20 > 0:23:22By engaging them with other services.
0:23:22 > 0:23:23While it's a police run scheme, the navigators
0:23:23 > 0:23:25are not police officers.
0:23:25 > 0:23:27Even helping that one person, you're then affecting potentially
0:23:27 > 0:23:28a whole community or a whole family.
0:23:28 > 0:23:31Because we know that it just takes that one stab,
0:23:31 > 0:23:32and that's that one life over.
0:23:32 > 0:23:35The way the service works as well, generally when somebody is in having
0:23:35 > 0:23:38been stabbed or assaulted, and they're there plotting already
0:23:38 > 0:23:40to go back out there and attack the person that's done it.
0:23:40 > 0:23:43So we're in a perfect point of that intervention to be saying,
0:23:43 > 0:23:45what are you doing, you can't be doing that.
0:23:45 > 0:23:48How may people are keen engage with you guys?
0:23:48 > 0:23:52Oddly enough, most of them.
0:23:52 > 0:23:54We've had very little rejection.
0:23:54 > 0:23:57Which sounds kind of strange, because we are a team of people
0:23:57 > 0:24:02in bright pink T-shirts.
0:24:02 > 0:24:05Speaking to a young fighting male with massive amounts of bravado.
0:24:05 > 0:24:06The navigators might connect patients with implement
0:24:06 > 0:24:09opportunities, help them get off drugs or into appropriate housing,
0:24:09 > 0:24:12anything that helps to break the cycle of violence.
0:24:12 > 0:24:15And they're a huge help to the clinical director
0:24:15 > 0:24:22of the Edinburgh A&E unit, helping to make sure patients
0:24:22 > 0:24:23who come in often don't come back.
0:24:23 > 0:24:26In the emergency department don't have any continuity with patients.
0:24:26 > 0:24:28So you do very much patch people up and go on.
0:24:28 > 0:24:31The navigators have been able to come in and give a more
0:24:31 > 0:24:37holistic approach to the way we are treating our patients.
0:24:37 > 0:24:39And Callum, who'd had such a frequent and devastating
0:24:39 > 0:24:41relationship with violence, was one of those people.
0:24:41 > 0:24:44My lifestyle was really catching up on me.
0:24:44 > 0:24:48I was stabbed nine times and a hatchet was put in my head.
0:24:48 > 0:24:52But my son witnessed all this, through the window,
0:24:52 > 0:24:53because it was right outside my house.
0:24:53 > 0:24:56I've got a son and a daughter now.
0:24:56 > 0:24:59Leading up to that event, I was getting sick and tired
0:24:59 > 0:25:02of leading the life I was leading, I didn't know how to change the life
0:25:02 > 0:25:04because I had been doing it so long.
0:25:04 > 0:25:08I didn't know how to do it.
0:25:08 > 0:25:10I've been in and out of A&E.
0:25:10 > 0:25:12For a very long time.
0:25:12 > 0:25:20I'd never met anybody in there who had said to me,
0:25:21 > 0:25:29have you had enough of that lifestyle you are living?
0:25:29 > 0:25:31Then we can help you step away from it.
0:25:31 > 0:25:32That's what happened.
0:25:32 > 0:25:33It was a desire to change.
0:25:33 > 0:25:35And I grabbed it with both hands.
0:25:35 > 0:25:38Because I kind of knew that I was running out of chances.
0:25:38 > 0:25:41I've got more lives than a Siamese cat, you know what I mean,
0:25:41 > 0:25:43it's unbelievable, how many times I have diced with death.
0:25:43 > 0:25:46And if I didn't make a change then, my days were probably
0:25:46 > 0:25:47numbered in that lifestyle.
0:25:47 > 0:25:50And Callum is not alone, the violence reduction units work
0:25:50 > 0:25:50has helped to almost half Scotland's homicide rate in the last ten years.
0:25:53 > 0:25:54From 115, to 64.
0:25:54 > 0:25:56According to one academic, it helped to reduce street Bay
0:25:56 > 0:25:58of Islands in particular.
0:25:58 > 0:26:00So we've seen a marked decline in public place violence
0:26:00 > 0:26:05involving men with weapons.
0:26:05 > 0:26:08But also men using fists as well, so not just weapon related
0:26:08 > 0:26:10violence, and that has declined very significantly.
0:26:10 > 0:26:12And I think that is because of the involvement
0:26:12 > 0:26:18of the violence reduction unit.
0:26:18 > 0:26:20The figures suggest Scotland is still a more violent place
0:26:20 > 0:26:21than England and Wales.
0:26:21 > 0:26:24Although we've seen big changes, and we've seen a massive reduction
0:26:24 > 0:26:26in the most serious forms of violence, particularly homicide,
0:26:26 > 0:26:29and some parts of Glasgow have been transformed as a result of some
0:26:29 > 0:26:32of the work that has been done, violence is still a problem
0:26:32 > 0:26:34in pockets of Scotland.
0:26:34 > 0:26:36But Scotland's approach does seem to have been
0:26:36 > 0:26:41successful among young people.
0:26:41 > 0:26:44Last year, more than 35 children and teenagers were killed
0:26:44 > 0:26:45with knives in Britain.
0:26:45 > 0:26:50Not one was in Scotland.
0:26:50 > 0:26:54Mark?
0:26:54 > 0:26:55Aye, Auntie Karen.
0:26:55 > 0:26:57Where you going?
0:26:57 > 0:26:59Park.
0:26:59 > 0:27:00Aye, watch yourself.
0:27:00 > 0:27:01I will.
0:27:01 > 0:27:02All yous.
0:27:02 > 0:27:05This film tells the story of what can happen when you carry
0:27:05 > 0:27:07a knife, and when you use one.
0:27:07 > 0:27:09It was produced by another government funded scheme, working
0:27:09 > 0:27:11in schools to prevent knife crime.
0:27:11 > 0:27:19It's incredibly graphic, so you may want to look away now.
0:27:29 > 0:27:32A report in 2013 found that working with school age kids was one
0:27:32 > 0:27:34of the most important ways of preventing people
0:27:34 > 0:27:37from carrying knives.
0:27:37 > 0:27:41And in Scotland, they raise the issues at a young age.
0:27:41 > 0:27:44Six is really young but we know anecdotally from local partners that
0:27:44 > 0:27:46in primary schools there have been incidences where young people do
0:27:46 > 0:27:53take knives into school, often they don't understand
0:27:53 > 0:27:55the consequences or the risks associated with this so that's why
0:27:55 > 0:27:58it is important to start prevention as early as possible and invest
0:27:58 > 0:28:01in that early stage, so that young people don't grow up
0:28:01 > 0:28:09thinking that is unacceptable behaviour.
0:28:09 > 0:28:11--thinking that is an acceptable behaviour.
0:28:11 > 0:28:13It's not just within Scotland that their training schemes are popular.
0:28:13 > 0:28:15There doesn't seem to be an equivalent of our
0:28:15 > 0:28:17programme in England, one that works nationally.
0:28:17 > 0:28:19We have worked with partners based in London, like
0:28:19 > 0:28:20the Ben Kinsella Trust.
0:28:20 > 0:28:23We do actually here quite often from practitioners in England,
0:28:23 > 0:28:24once or twice a week.
0:28:24 > 0:28:26Could adopting a public health approach to knife crime help
0:28:26 > 0:28:29in reducing the number of stabbings south of the border?
0:28:29 > 0:28:32I think the difficulty is that in Scotland we've always had more
0:28:32 > 0:28:35of a consensual form of policing, so, the police public relations
0:28:35 > 0:28:37in Scotland have always been better, and particularly in London,
0:28:37 > 0:28:43where you have got a situation where some communities have such
0:28:43 > 0:28:44anti-authority views, very negative attitudes towards
0:28:44 > 0:28:47the police and the perception that they are being persecuted
0:28:47 > 0:28:52by the police, that is very difficult to shift.
0:28:52 > 0:28:54Here at the home of the Scottish Government,
0:28:54 > 0:29:00a change in tack since 2005 is seen as a great success.
0:29:00 > 0:29:08The Scottish Justice Secretary says he is not soft on crime.
0:29:15 > 0:29:17This isn't about the false dichotomy of whether it is soft
0:29:17 > 0:29:19justice or tough justice, this is about smart justice,
0:29:19 > 0:29:22taking a smart approach, listen to what the evidence says,
0:29:22 > 0:29:24how you can prevent young people from getting
0:29:24 > 0:29:25involved in violent crime.
0:29:25 > 0:29:27Last year into this year there was a slight rise
0:29:27 > 0:29:30in the number of people handling offensive weapons and the number
0:29:30 > 0:29:32of homicides, have you reach the point where you cannot
0:29:32 > 0:29:33go any lower?
0:29:33 > 0:29:36Well, the slight increases we saw in recent years have only been based
0:29:36 > 0:29:38on small numbers of an increase.
0:29:38 > 0:29:40We've got the whole issue at a much lower base,
0:29:40 > 0:29:41both homicide and with knife crime.
0:29:41 > 0:29:43What we cannot afford to be is complacent,
0:29:43 > 0:29:45we are certainly not complacent.
0:29:45 > 0:29:47Does he think the government in Westminster needs to change tack?
0:29:47 > 0:29:50I would certainly encourage them to look at the experience
0:29:50 > 0:29:52in Scotland, and we are always very willing to demonstrate
0:29:52 > 0:29:54the way we have gone about doing these things.
0:29:54 > 0:29:57It is also important that people don't just say that, you know,
0:29:57 > 0:29:59continue what we are doing at the present moment,
0:29:59 > 0:30:02because if it's not able to address the issue effectively,
0:30:02 > 0:30:04then we need to be honest and politicians need to recognise
0:30:04 > 0:30:06that we may need to change tack.
0:30:06 > 0:30:08It's not just about more police officers or increasing
0:30:08 > 0:30:09sentencing powers.
0:30:09 > 0:30:12Or sentences within the courts, it's about preventing young people
0:30:12 > 0:30:14from getting involved in the first place, and I certainly see that
0:30:14 > 0:30:17as an approach that could help England in tackling some
0:30:17 > 0:30:20of these issues.
0:30:20 > 0:30:22Whatever happens in England and Wales, for Callum,
0:30:22 > 0:30:23things are working out.
0:30:23 > 0:30:26He is now part of another of the violence reduction unit's
0:30:26 > 0:30:29programmes, which provides employment, mentoring and support
0:30:29 > 0:30:37to offenders with a violent past on this food truck.
0:30:44 > 0:30:46I wanted to be a role model to my children.
0:30:46 > 0:30:48I didn't want to be leading that life anymore.
0:30:48 > 0:30:50My life is night and day.
0:30:50 > 0:30:52I was a guy whose life was totally unmanageable, involved
0:30:52 > 0:30:55in a lot of chaos, violence.
0:30:55 > 0:30:57Didn't know where I was going in life.
0:30:57 > 0:31:00I used to look and people and think, they know where they're going,
0:31:00 > 0:31:02they know what they're doing with their life, I don't know
0:31:02 > 0:31:04what I'm doing with my life.
0:31:04 > 0:31:05I come here, I've got a purpose.
0:31:05 > 0:31:09There's nothing more rewarding at the end of a day,
0:31:09 > 0:31:11when you've earned an honest day's work.
0:31:11 > 0:31:13It's the satisfaction for that, it's amazing.
0:31:13 > 0:31:16I'm leaving my house in the morning, waving my kids off, and coming
0:31:16 > 0:31:19to work, I'm finishing work, going to the house, my son
0:31:19 > 0:31:20is there waiting on me.
0:31:20 > 0:31:22I'm responsible, do you know what I mean.
0:31:22 > 0:31:25There is no feeling that beats that, without a shadow of a doubt.
0:31:25 > 0:31:29I don't even know if I'd be alive, so it has literally saved my life,
0:31:29 > 0:31:31and it has saved other people's lives.
0:31:31 > 0:31:34The ripple effect that this has, just engaging me, is massive.
0:31:34 > 0:31:36It has helped my son, it has helped my daughter,
0:31:36 > 0:31:37it has helped my mother.
0:31:37 > 0:31:42And it's helped everybody in my community.
0:31:42 > 0:31:44Because Callum isnae running about involved in violence anymore.
0:31:44 > 0:31:46You know what I mean.
0:31:46 > 0:31:49So the impact it has is massive.
0:31:49 > 0:31:51Callum talking to Loui Lee Ray.
0:31:51 > 0:31:52If knife crime has affected your fmaily,
0:31:52 > 0:31:55let me know your own experiences and your own views
0:31:55 > 0:32:00about best to tackle it.
0:32:00 > 0:32:03After ten this morning we'll talk live to Police Scotland,
0:32:03 > 0:32:05to London's Deputy Mayor on Policing to see what they think
0:32:05 > 0:32:10of Scotland' approach, to a youth worker who was stabbed
0:32:10 > 0:32:13when he was 15, and to a mum who's 20-year-old son was fatally
0:32:13 > 0:32:14stabbed four years ago.
0:32:14 > 0:32:19Still to come...
0:32:19 > 0:32:26The thank you messages. Gareth says... I am impressed that Scotland
0:32:26 > 0:32:30has reduced this awful indictment of society by 70%. I am also shocked
0:32:30 > 0:32:34that England and Wales has not already learned from Scotland's
0:32:34 > 0:32:36success and replicated their measures for tackling this very
0:32:36 > 0:32:40serious issue. I struggled for more than ten years with post-traumatic
0:32:40 > 0:32:46stress disorder.And this, from Charles... Schools need to target
0:32:46 > 0:32:50potential knife carriers at an early stage. Aggressive behaviour needs to
0:32:50 > 0:32:55be nipped in the bud. Do let me know if you have been affected by knife
0:32:55 > 0:33:00crime. Send me an e-mail and I will read it out later.
0:33:00 > 0:33:03Still to come...
0:33:03 > 0:33:09A deaf mum is suing the Little Mix concert promoter for failing to
0:33:09 > 0:33:14provide a sign language interpreter. We will be speaking to Sally
0:33:14 > 0:33:17Reynolds and her dynamic interpreter Vicki to find out what happened to.
0:33:17 > 0:33:21That's coming up in the next half an hour. Before that, the latest news
0:33:21 > 0:33:31with Ben Brown.
0:33:39 > 0:33:42Proceedings were dropped against more than 900 people in the last 12
0:33:42 > 0:33:46months up to April because of problems with evidence. The issue
0:33:46 > 0:33:48has been highlighted by some recent rape trials which have put the
0:33:48 > 0:33:53process under scrutiny. Two newspapers have threatened legal
0:33:53 > 0:33:57action if the Parole Board does not publish its reasons for agreeing to
0:33:57 > 0:34:01release the convicted rapist John Worboys. The Sun and the Daily Mail
0:34:01 > 0:34:04have written to the Parole Board and the Justice Secretary demanding they
0:34:04 > 0:34:08report within seven days, or they say they will apply for a judicial
0:34:08 > 0:34:13review. But both the Parole Board and the Ministry of Justice says
0:34:13 > 0:34:16they are legally prohibited from disclosing such decisions. Breaking
0:34:16 > 0:34:19news this morning... The latest unemployment figures show
0:34:19 > 0:34:26unemployment fell by 3000 between September and macro November to 1.44
0:34:26 > 0:34:30million. The number of people in work has reached a record high of
0:34:30 > 0:34:3732.2 million rate the Office for National Statistics. One in 11
0:34:37 > 0:34:40patients in England is being prescribed medication which could be
0:34:40 > 0:34:44addictive or difficult to stop taken according to new data from the
0:34:44 > 0:34:48National Health Service. Fabric of England is launching a year-long
0:34:48 > 0:34:50review into what it calls the growing problem of ascription drug
0:34:50 > 0:34:55addiction.
0:34:58 > 0:35:05addiction. That is a summary of the news. Time for the sport now. Coming
0:35:05 > 0:35:08up... Phil Neville has not had the best start to his England women's
0:35:08 > 0:35:14managerial tenure. Former England defender has signed a deal with the
0:35:14 > 0:35:18lionesses but within hours of his confirmation as manager, screen
0:35:18 > 0:35:23shots of old tweets posted by him were circulating on Twitter and they
0:35:23 > 0:35:27have been widely condemned. Back to the tennis now. The line-up for the
0:35:27 > 0:35:32Australian Open is almost complete after the South Korean has got
0:35:32 > 0:35:39through. But on court right now Roger Federer and Tomas Berdych are
0:35:39 > 0:35:43playing each other. Federer has come back from 5-2 down to take the first
0:35:43 > 0:35:47set after a tie-break. Meanwhile world number one Simona Halep beat
0:35:47 > 0:35:51Karolina Pliskova in straight sets to claim a final place in the
0:35:51 > 0:35:58women's semifinals. She will take on Angelique Kerber in the last four.
0:35:58 > 0:36:03And we will have more on the Bristol City against Manchester City match
0:36:03 > 0:36:09later in the programme.
0:36:09 > 0:36:13It's that time of the morning where we bring you up to date
0:36:13 > 0:36:15in the trial of former football coach Barry Bennell.
0:36:15 > 0:36:17Our reporter Jim Reed has been following the trial
0:36:17 > 0:36:18at Liverpool Crown Court.
0:36:18 > 0:36:21An alleged victim of Barry Bennell has told a court how he was abused
0:36:21 > 0:36:23in the changing rooms at Crewe Alexandra Football club?
0:36:23 > 0:36:26As you said, this is the trial of Barry Bennell in Liverpool.
0:36:26 > 0:36:30The former football coach denies 48 counts of historical abuse
0:36:30 > 0:36:32against 11 alleged victims.
0:36:32 > 0:36:37Yesterday the court heard from an alleged victim who said
0:36:37 > 0:36:41he had been abused at the coach's home, on a trip to Butlins and -
0:36:41 > 0:36:44he said - in the changing rooms at Crewe Alexandra Football Club.
0:36:44 > 0:36:47The man said he contacted the police in 2016 after seeing reports
0:36:47 > 0:36:48about Mr Bennell in the press.
0:36:48 > 0:36:55And what happened under cross examination?
0:36:55 > 0:36:57Well, the same alleged victim was then questioned by Eleanor Laws
0:36:57 > 0:37:01QC who is representing Mr Bennell.
0:37:01 > 0:37:02She said...
0:37:02 > 0:37:04"I am going to suggest you have made these allegations
0:37:04 > 0:37:08up either for money or whatever reason."
0:37:08 > 0:37:09He replied...
0:37:09 > 0:37:13"That is ridiculous."
0:37:13 > 0:37:14She continued...
0:37:14 > 0:37:17"You essentially blame Crewe Alexandra and the FA
0:37:17 > 0:37:17for your failed career."
0:37:17 > 0:37:18He replied...
0:37:18 > 0:37:21"I blame Barry for my failed life, not my football career."
0:37:21 > 0:37:24And the court also heard from a second witness as well?
0:37:24 > 0:37:27Yes, that was earlier in the day.
0:37:27 > 0:37:29Testimony from a former Crewe Alexandra youth footballer
0:37:29 > 0:37:36called Martin Clarke.
0:37:36 > 0:37:39He said he returned to Crewe's training ground one day
0:37:39 > 0:37:46after a game to pick
0:37:46 > 0:37:52up his boots, he said, and he said he saw Barry Bennell
0:37:52 > 0:37:53abusing another young player.
0:37:53 > 0:37:56He claimed Mr Bennell then pinned him up against the wall
0:37:56 > 0:37:59and told him: "If you say anything to anyone I will make sure
0:37:59 > 0:38:00I will finish your football career."
0:38:00 > 0:38:03Again, this man came forward at the tail end of 2016 after seeing media
0:38:03 > 0:38:07reports.
0:38:07 > 0:38:09As I said at the start, Mr Bennell denies 48 charges
0:38:09 > 0:38:10of abuse in this trial.
0:38:10 > 0:38:18It continues tomorrow morning.
0:38:18 > 0:38:23Coming up, we will speak to a deaf mother who is suing concert
0:38:23 > 0:38:26organisers who refused to provide a sign language interpreter at a
0:38:26 > 0:38:31Little Mix concert.
0:38:31 > 0:38:35The politician who helped London win the 2012 Olympic Games,
0:38:35 > 0:38:37Baroness Tessa Jowell, has spoken for the first time
0:38:37 > 0:38:39about having an aggressive form of brain cancer called glioblastoma.
0:38:39 > 0:38:42Around 2,000 people each year will receive a similar diagnosis.
0:38:42 > 0:38:44The prognosis is grim - measured in months, not years.
0:38:44 > 0:38:47No new drugs have been developed in the last 50 years that have
0:38:47 > 0:38:50improved survival rates.
0:38:50 > 0:38:53But Tessa Jowell is determined that that that should change -
0:38:53 > 0:38:55a former health minister, she's been speaking to experts
0:38:55 > 0:39:03from around the world to make sure it does.
0:39:07 > 0:39:10Tomorrow she will lead a debate in the House of Lords and argue that
0:39:10 > 0:39:12innovative cancer treatments should be evaluated much more quickly
0:39:12 > 0:39:15so that they are made available on the NHS.
0:39:15 > 0:39:17She's been speaking to Radio 4's Today programme
0:39:17 > 0:39:18about her diagnosis...
0:39:18 > 0:39:20I was diagnosed with an acute and very serious
0:39:20 > 0:39:25form of brain cancer.
0:39:25 > 0:39:27It came with absolutely no expectation.
0:39:27 > 0:39:28No warning?
0:39:28 > 0:39:30Absolutely none at all.
0:39:30 > 0:39:38I had not a single apparent symptom.
0:39:40 > 0:39:45I felt it was something I could deal with, and that I would have to deal
0:39:45 > 0:39:53with.
0:39:53 > 0:40:00And that, I suppose, is where I immediately stopped thinking
0:40:00 > 0:40:03about, what would other people do and what
0:40:03 > 0:40:06there would be for them?
0:40:06 > 0:40:07Because I felt strangely competent to deal
0:40:07 > 0:40:09with what was likely to happen.
0:40:09 > 0:40:13Anyone who has had cancer knows that, particularly for people
0:40:13 > 0:40:16like you, and maybe me as well, the hardest thing, in a way,
0:40:16 > 0:40:22is getting used to not being in control.
0:40:22 > 0:40:30I don't think I immediately leapt to the inevitability of cancer.
0:40:30 > 0:40:35I think that, to begin with, I felt that I would have this tumour, that
0:40:35 > 0:40:42it would be operated on, and that would be it.
0:40:42 > 0:40:50It's actually much harder now, because now, my life is,
0:40:50 > 0:40:58day by day, affected by the tumour.
0:41:01 > 0:41:05And affected by the uncertainty of what
0:41:05 > 0:41:10my cancer is actually going to mean for how long.
0:41:10 > 0:41:13Not just that uncertainty, but I can feel your
0:41:13 > 0:41:16frustration, because there are words occasionally that don't come, and
0:41:16 > 0:41:20that the tumour is doing its work.
0:41:20 > 0:41:28But the tumour bloody well does this to you.
0:41:29 > 0:41:32And then if you have an hour of being quiet and so forth, you get
0:41:32 > 0:41:33it back again.
0:41:33 > 0:41:36And then you're fine.
0:41:36 > 0:41:40What have you learnt as a patient that you would like people who care
0:41:40 > 0:41:43in the medical system, not just doctors and nurses but others, about
0:41:43 > 0:41:44how they treat patients?
0:41:44 > 0:41:48It's a really interesting question, that.
0:41:48 > 0:41:51And it's much more complicated, I think,
0:41:51 > 0:41:59then you necessarily assume.
0:42:01 > 0:42:07I spent a huge amount of time with people with cancer.
0:42:07 > 0:42:15I spend a huge amount of time very risk averse children.
0:42:17 > 0:42:24All these are things which now seem difficult, and that we
0:42:24 > 0:42:32underestimate the scale of the problem that they have.
0:42:35 > 0:42:40I feel every single bit of my determination to go
0:42:40 > 0:42:42on creating better opportunities for people managing cancer.
0:42:42 > 0:42:44When you are a patient, you often want every
0:42:44 > 0:42:48trial going.
0:42:48 > 0:42:56You want to try everything because you want to stay alive.
0:42:57 > 0:42:59You want to have as long a life as you can, but...
0:42:59 > 0:43:02Shall I tell you something?
0:43:02 > 0:43:04I am absolutely 100% staying to stay alive.
0:43:04 > 0:43:05Good for you.
0:43:05 > 0:43:08The problem is, sometimes, in medical research,
0:43:08 > 0:43:11they say, one trial at a time, one drug at a time,
0:43:11 > 0:43:13because we need to isolate which one works.
0:43:13 > 0:43:16But what that doesn't do is to identify the way in which the
0:43:16 > 0:43:21accessibility and the availability of different treatments become
0:43:21 > 0:43:27changed, and that's what that is doing, so there's...
0:43:27 > 0:43:31For instance, there's no point in having another
0:43:31 > 0:43:34six months of waiting for that trial, because it's not going to
0:43:34 > 0:43:42have any effect, so let's go on to the next one.
0:43:42 > 0:43:48What that also does is to respect in the proper way the...
0:43:48 > 0:43:53Just how quickly you get...
0:43:53 > 0:43:57You get...killed.
0:43:57 > 0:44:01People listening to you would think, why don't you curl up on the sofa,
0:44:01 > 0:44:03be with your family and friends, look after yourself?
0:44:03 > 0:44:05And yet, here you are, as busy as ever, wanting to
0:44:05 > 0:44:10be of public service.
0:44:10 > 0:44:12I have so much love in my family, my children, my
0:44:12 > 0:44:16close friends.
0:44:16 > 0:44:19It's the most...
0:44:19 > 0:44:21It is the most extraordinary, blessed
0:44:21 > 0:44:28and...
0:44:28 > 0:44:33And...recreating sense.
0:44:33 > 0:44:36And I feel that I want that to be experienced
0:44:36 > 0:44:41by so many other people as well.
0:44:41 > 0:44:45And so, we'll talk more about it, we'll
0:44:45 > 0:44:49experience more about it, and I hope for more people, it will be their
0:44:49 > 0:44:57future as well.
0:44:58 > 0:45:00Tessa Jowell talking to Nick Robinson.
0:45:00 > 0:45:08We can speak now to Chandos Green, he's just 22 years old and has
0:45:09 > 0:45:11already survived three brain tumours, and to Dr
0:45:11 > 0:45:15Kieran Breen - Research Director at Brain Tumour Research <QUESTIONS
0:45:18 > 0:45:24Is thanks for coming on the programme. You were just three when
0:45:24 > 0:45:28you've got a brain tumour and some of it had to be left - why was that?
0:45:28 > 0:45:32It was difficult for the surgeon to remove all of it, so it was a
0:45:32 > 0:45:40monitoring situation.And so, yours, as I understand it, it grows a
0:45:40 > 0:45:44little and then potentially stops, and then the rules more surgery?
0:45:44 > 0:45:52Psychologically, how do you deal with that?Because of the type of
0:45:52 > 0:45:56tumour it is, it can go through stages where it is dormant and
0:45:56 > 0:46:00others where it grows. That uncertainty for me is quite
0:46:00 > 0:46:04difficult, because I have a lot of anxiety, and that had depression in
0:46:04 > 0:46:10the past, so to go through those points in life where I don't know
0:46:10 > 0:46:14what's going to happen tomorrow, it can be scary and daunting.What do
0:46:14 > 0:46:20the doctors say about your future?I have a scan in November last year,
0:46:20 > 0:46:27and luckily, the tumour has shrunk a bit since my last operation in 2014.
0:46:27 > 0:46:31In the future, it is just kind of monitoring it, but they are hopeful
0:46:31 > 0:46:36that won't do anything.Do you know why it has shrunk?I have no idea,
0:46:36 > 0:46:40to be others. I think it's just a bit of luck and also progress in the
0:46:40 > 0:46:45way they operated last time.We just showed our audience some photographs
0:46:45 > 0:46:51that you kindly gave us of yourself in hospital. Let me bring in Kieran
0:46:51 > 0:46:54Breen from brain tumour research. There are many different types of
0:46:54 > 0:46:59brain cancer, is that correct?That is one of the key challenges - the
0:46:59 > 0:47:08Rover 100 different types of brain tumour. We
0:47:08 > 0:47:13tumour. We heard from Chandos about the tumour he has, and Tessa
0:47:13 > 0:47:17Jowell's is different. You have slow-growing and fast-growing
0:47:17 > 0:47:23tumours which have different genetic components. You can't use the same
0:47:23 > 0:47:26treatment for both. They are both brain tumours, but they are actually
0:47:26 > 0:47:32very different.A huge challenge for developing treatments and executing
0:47:32 > 0:47:37them.Some can be treated with surgery, others can't. Some tumours
0:47:37 > 0:47:41can be treated with specific drugs that others won't respond to. This
0:47:41 > 0:47:45is a key challenge to us, and we really need to start at the very
0:47:45 > 0:47:50beginning and understand the differences between a brain tumour
0:47:50 > 0:47:55and a normal brain cell. Our brains are such complex organs. Each of the
0:47:55 > 0:47:59different types of brain cells can potentially become a tumour. Even if
0:47:59 > 0:48:04you have two exactly the same brain cells that become tumours, depending
0:48:04 > 0:48:09on the pathway they take, it needs different therapies. One thing that
0:48:09 > 0:48:12researchers are doing is looking at the very beginning, what happens
0:48:12 > 0:48:17when a normal brain cell sparks off to become a tumour cell, because
0:48:17 > 0:48:21that is what we need to understand - what is the difference between the
0:48:21 > 0:48:24two? And that is then how we can understand potential ways to develop
0:48:24 > 0:48:28new drugs which would be much more effective at stopping the growth of
0:48:28 > 0:48:34tumour and killing it.Its vital work, because brain tumours are the
0:48:34 > 0:48:39biggest cause of cancer deaths in people under 40. Most people don't
0:48:39 > 0:48:45know that.This is the thing, because when you think of tumours,
0:48:45 > 0:48:49cancer in people under the age of 40, most people think of leukaemia
0:48:49 > 0:48:52or blood cancer, but the success rate or survival rate for people
0:48:52 > 0:48:57with that sort of tumour is 50% after five years of diagnosis. For
0:48:57 > 0:49:04brain tumours, it is only 20% after five years of diagnosis.Chandos
0:49:04 > 0:49:11said that his tumour was so close to the brain that they had to leave
0:49:11 > 0:49:15apportioned there. You have talked about the many differences in the
0:49:15 > 0:49:20types of cancer, and that's one of the reasons why would research --
0:49:20 > 0:49:25why research is slow, or is it just not fashionable to put money into
0:49:25 > 0:49:29brain tumour research?It is a complex situation. The complexity of
0:49:29 > 0:49:37the brain, the fact that the brain is by what we call the blood brain
0:49:37 > 0:49:41barrier, which stops drugs getting into the brain. We have a lot of
0:49:41 > 0:49:45drugs that will treat other cancers but they don't actually get into the
0:49:45 > 0:49:51brain. If they can't get in, they can't kill the tumour, so we need to
0:49:51 > 0:49:53develop new drugs, innovative therapies. We need to think out of
0:49:53 > 0:49:57the box. We have a tumour within this enclosed area called the brain,
0:49:57 > 0:50:06so how do we develop new drugs that will get in there? We need a
0:50:06 > 0:50:10completely new approach. But we also need to invest in research.
0:50:10 > 0:50:14Unfortunately, in the UK over the past 20-30 years, the investment
0:50:14 > 0:50:20just hasn't been there. Indeed, even at the moment, only 6% of people
0:50:20 > 0:50:27with brain tumours take part in clinical trials. For breast cancer,
0:50:27 > 0:50:31it is 13%, for leukaemia, 16%, so we don't have the capacity to do the
0:50:31 > 0:50:37research.Chandos, would you agree with Kieran? Would you a clue what
0:50:37 > 0:50:41he says, that there needs to be more money put in to get more research
0:50:41 > 0:50:45done?As you said previously, it is the biggest cancer killer of those
0:50:45 > 0:50:50under 40, and I've known a lot of people who have lost their lives to
0:50:50 > 0:50:53brain tumours, so I 100% echo the fact that more investment needs to
0:50:53 > 0:50:57go into research and finding a cure for this disease.Thank you very
0:50:57 > 0:51:07much for talking to us.
0:51:07 > 0:51:10Coming up: Should free school meals be given to all primary school
0:51:10 > 0:51:14children, not just the first few years? And if you think that, where
0:51:14 > 0:51:17would you get the money from? We will speak to a teacher and a
0:51:17 > 0:51:22mother.
0:51:22 > 0:51:24Last year Sally Reynolds booked tickets to go and see
0:51:24 > 0:51:28Little Mix for herself, two friends and their daughters.
0:51:28 > 0:51:33Sally and her two friends are deaf, so they requested a sign language
0:51:33 > 0:51:35interpreter through the concert's organisers, LHG Live.
0:51:35 > 0:51:38They refused to provide one, so in an unprecedented move
0:51:38 > 0:51:43Sally Reynolds applied for a court order to compel them to.
0:51:43 > 0:51:46LHG then agreed to this before the hearing reached court.
0:51:46 > 0:51:49The mums and daughters went to the concert,
0:51:49 > 0:51:57only to find the interpreter was provided for Little Mix and not
0:51:58 > 0:51:59the two support acts.
0:51:59 > 0:52:00In Sally's word's "it's
0:52:00 > 0:52:03like being able to read only the last third of a novel'.
0:52:03 > 0:52:06The mum is now suing LHG Live under the Equality Act which states any
0:52:06 > 0:52:08organisation supplying a service to the public must make
0:52:08 > 0:52:13reasonable adjustments to accommodate disabled people.
0:52:13 > 0:52:18Sally is here alongside her interpreter Vicki,
0:52:18 > 0:52:21Chris Fry is Sally's solicitor, and Marie Pascall is here too -
0:52:21 > 0:52:23she provides sign language interpreters for events
0:52:23 > 0:52:29across the country.
0:52:29 > 0:52:34Welcome to the programme, and thanks for coming on. Nice to see you all.
0:52:34 > 0:52:41Sally, I want to ask you first of all, when you have an interpreter at
0:52:41 > 0:52:51a gig, how do you experience the concept? -- the concert?For me, it
0:52:51 > 0:52:55was the first time I had been to a concert of that size, especially
0:52:55 > 0:53:05something live, so I was really blown away. We went
0:53:05 > 0:53:07blown away. We went to see Little Mix. I wanted to access the songs,
0:53:07 > 0:53:11when they were singing, talking, the way they engaged with the audience.
0:53:11 > 0:53:15I was able to follow what they were saying and talk to my daughter about
0:53:15 > 0:53:20it. We talked about it after, which was wonderful, a great experience. I
0:53:20 > 0:53:24really got a feel of the concert itself.Where was your interpreter
0:53:24 > 0:53:32placed so that... ? You can hear some of the music a little, can't
0:53:32 > 0:53:38you?Well, I can hear the music, but I can't follow the words, so really,
0:53:38 > 0:53:43it made such a big difference to be able to see the lyrics translated. I
0:53:43 > 0:53:49could identify the songs, and for me, it was just so important to be
0:53:49 > 0:53:54able to see the interpreter just had that clear view. They were opposite
0:53:54 > 0:54:01us. We were in the accessible area, which was great. For that part of
0:54:01 > 0:54:04the concert, it was perfect.But the problem was, for a lot of the
0:54:04 > 0:54:09concert, there was no interpreter. Why was that a problem?Yeah, I
0:54:09 > 0:54:16mean... The reason behind it all was, we asked the promoter probably
0:54:16 > 0:54:21two months beforehand to have access. We asked for an interpreter
0:54:21 > 0:54:26specifically. The reply we got back was, we're really sorry, but no, we
0:54:26 > 0:54:30will give you carer tickets as a compromise and you can bring your
0:54:30 > 0:54:37own interpreter. I thought, Juno what? That's not OK. You have a duty
0:54:37 > 0:54:43to provide a reasonable adjustment for us. I ask them again, and it
0:54:43 > 0:54:47went up to the Board of Directors, it was escalated. They made the
0:54:47 > 0:54:49decision that no interpreter would be provided and they offered a
0:54:49 > 0:54:54refund, which I was shocked by. They really couldn't explain their
0:54:54 > 0:55:01justification for
0:55:01 > 0:55:03justification for refusing an adjustment. I wrote a third letter,
0:55:03 > 0:55:07which was ignored, and then the fourth letter, which I sent to the
0:55:07 > 0:55:10Liz Hobbs group, they asked me which part of the equality act they felt
0:55:10 > 0:55:17had been breached. And it was just such a convoluted process and so
0:55:17 > 0:55:24long, and by that point, I
0:55:25 > 0:55:27long, and by that point, I contacted Chris, with all the evidence I had a
0:55:27 > 0:55:32mass than the exchanges we had had, and I have always been deaf, I was
0:55:32 > 0:55:35born deaf. This is not the first time I have faced those kinds of
0:55:35 > 0:55:43barriers.In the end, they provided a dynamic interpreter for the Little
0:55:43 > 0:55:49Mix bit of it but not for the two support act. I will bring your
0:55:49 > 0:55:53solicitor, Chris Fry, in. He is in our Sheffield studio. Good morning.
0:55:53 > 0:56:00Tell our audience what the law says. The equality act and the disability
0:56:00 > 0:56:02discrimination act 20 years before that have been very clear that
0:56:02 > 0:56:05service providers are under a duty to make reasonable adjustments to
0:56:05 > 0:56:12accommodate disabled customers.OK, and do you agree with Sally that
0:56:12 > 0:56:18reasonable accommodation was not made here, when after all, an
0:56:18 > 0:56:21interpreter was provided for Little Mix?Absolutely. Sally bought
0:56:21 > 0:56:27tickets for an event which was a memorable family experience, and a
0:56:27 > 0:56:30really interesting thing about this is that for months before, she was
0:56:30 > 0:56:34being told she wouldn't be able to access that event at all, requiring
0:56:34 > 0:56:39us to make an application for an injunction to even get the signed
0:56:39 > 0:56:42interpreting for the Little Mix aspect itself. What is disappointing
0:56:42 > 0:56:46in these circumstances is that the service provider, having identified
0:56:46 > 0:56:51that a reasonable adjustment was necessary, just limited that to the
0:56:51 > 0:56:54Little Mix aspect of the case, whereas in fact the whole of the
0:56:54 > 0:56:58concert should have been made accessible, not just for Sally,
0:56:58 > 0:57:02obviously, but for other people with hearing impairments.Which is why
0:57:02 > 0:57:05you are now taking this action on behalf of your client, Sallie
0:57:05 > 0:57:16Reynolds, to sue them.
0:57:18 > 0:57:22They upgraded your tickets, gave you private seating, access to private
0:57:22 > 0:57:32accessible toilets. Little Mix say they strongly believe that concerts
0:57:32 > 0:57:36should be completely inclusive for all and the band welcomes all those
0:57:36 > 0:57:40to the shows, including those with hearing impairment. I will ask you,
0:57:40 > 0:57:45Sally, what you want to achieve in a moment. But let me bring in Marie,
0:57:45 > 0:57:49because you do interpreting at events, concerts, theatre
0:57:49 > 0:57:52productions. You tell me they are very good at this in America but we
0:57:52 > 0:57:57are way behind in this country - why?Three main factors, and the
0:57:57 > 0:58:03first is really a lack of deaf awareness. There are huge
0:58:03 > 0:58:07misunderstanding and misconceptions around the deaf community and
0:58:07 > 0:58:12British sign language needs.What is the biggest misconception?Many
0:58:12 > 0:58:16people ask me why deaf people want to go to a music concert. They don't
0:58:16 > 0:58:20understand that, actually, deaf people can experience music on an
0:58:20 > 0:58:26equal footing to hearing people. Deaf people can get goose bumps and
0:58:26 > 0:58:30crime. The interpreter is essentially a bridge between the
0:58:30 > 0:58:35music and the artist and the deaf person, so it is a connection so
0:58:35 > 0:58:40that the deaf person can essentially experience is exactly the same as a
0:58:40 > 0:58:43hearing person, but getting that across to the music industry is
0:58:43 > 0:58:49proving difficult.That makes sense, the way you describe that. Would you
0:58:49 > 0:58:53agree with that, Sally? Once you have the dynamic interpreter, that
0:58:53 > 0:58:59is a major connection between the lyrics and the sound of the music?
0:58:59 > 0:59:03Definitely. I've felt so engaged, it was a wonderful experience. I was
0:59:03 > 0:59:07there with my friends, we were there with our daughters, we could talk
0:59:07 > 0:59:11about it after. We discussed the songs, and we even talked about the
0:59:11 > 0:59:15interpreter, who did a fantastic job. I would like to be able to just
0:59:15 > 0:59:21do that again. I want the full experience this time.What is the
0:59:21 > 0:59:24purpose of suing them? What is it that you want to achieve, apart from
0:59:24 > 0:59:31presumably some compensation?
0:59:31 > 0:59:33presumably some compensation?Well, I would like something... I would
0:59:33 > 0:59:37like a precedent. I don't want to go through this again. That is the
0:59:37 > 0:59:41number one. It was so hard and arduous. I would really like service
0:59:41 > 0:59:48providers to think about access for everyone, and inclusivity, and to
0:59:48 > 0:59:54make those thoughts beforehand. I would really like something in law
0:59:54 > 0:59:58that anyone can use in the future if they want to attend a concert or a
0:59:58 > 1:00:02venue, if they want to buy a ticket. All they have to do then is to ask
1:00:02 > 1:00:06for either captions or an interpreter, and they will know what
1:00:06 > 1:00:08to do, and people will understand that that is a reasonable
1:00:08 > 1:00:22adjustment.OK. Thank you.And thank you.Thank you very much.
1:00:22 > 1:00:25We will keep our audience updated on your story and your legal action. We
1:00:25 > 1:00:30will see what happens. Coming up after 10am: We will talk more about
1:00:30 > 1:00:34the incredible progress made in Scotland to reduce knife crime. In a
1:00:34 > 1:00:38decade, they have cut it by almost 70%. There are lessons llama
1:00:38 > 1:00:42definitely for England and Wales, surely. We will speak to a chief
1:00:42 > 1:00:46constable from Police Scotland and also a youth worker who was stabbed
1:00:46 > 1:00:57at the age of 50. Now, the weather.
1:00:58 > 1:01:03It is a difficult morning across some part of the country. Elly Riley
1:01:03 > 1:01:06overnight and mild conditions are. Some of the rain that we have seen
1:01:06 > 1:01:10has been particularly heavy, particularly looking at these shots
1:01:10 > 1:01:18from North East Somerset. Some pretty dusty winds. Restrictions on,
1:01:18 > 1:01:29which bridges and Ferris. It is hectic linked in to Storm Georgina,
1:01:29 > 1:01:36the latest storm of the season. It has been giving gusts of up to 77mph
1:01:36 > 1:01:43in the Hebrides, lower than they were earlier. All linked into this
1:01:43 > 1:01:48cold front. As it arrives you will see a brief and intense spell of
1:01:48 > 1:01:52rain, also some dusty winds. Over lunchtime they will be heading
1:01:52 > 1:01:58across London and the south-east and working across East Anglia. The
1:01:58 > 1:02:03winds drop as that really heavy rain goes through. By lunchtime things
1:02:03 > 1:02:05will be brightening up in parts of Cornwall, Wales and Northern
1:02:05 > 1:02:11Ireland. Similar across Scotland and Northern Ireland, with summer
1:02:11 > 1:02:14showers coming through rapidly on the breeze. And showers across
1:02:14 > 1:02:19northern Scotland, as temperatures crop will be a little bit on the
1:02:19 > 1:02:25wintry side.
1:02:25 > 1:02:29wintry side. We have already seen the peak in temperatures for the
1:02:29 > 1:02:34day. It is going to drop from now on, even with the sunshine out
1:02:34 > 1:02:43later. Showers continuing in the west with a blustery wind. In the
1:02:43 > 1:02:48east, a touch of frost is possible. The commute tomorrow will be colder
1:02:48 > 1:02:56then this morning, but for many, a good deal drier. Showers in the west
1:02:56 > 1:03:01could merge into some longer spells of rain across northern England and
1:03:01 > 1:03:06southern Scotland, a little bit of sleep across the top of the hills.
1:03:06 > 1:03:13Staying dry throughout tomorrow. Temperatures like this afternoon for
1:03:13 > 1:03:16most, in single figures. The showers becoming confined to eastern England
1:03:16 > 1:03:24overnight. Coldest morning of the week on Friday. Showers in eastern
1:03:24 > 1:03:29parts of England will fade away. Not a bad day for many of you. Even if
1:03:29 > 1:03:34it is a bit on the cool side. Into the weekend we will have cloudy
1:03:34 > 1:03:39conditions and rain pushing eastwards on Saturday. Temperatures
1:03:39 > 1:03:43by Sunday, double figures for most of us. A big change from what we saw
1:03:43 > 1:03:44last weekend.
1:03:44 > 1:03:47Hello, it's Wednesday, it's 10 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire.
1:03:47 > 1:03:51How have Scotland managed to cut knife crime on their streets by 70%
1:03:51 > 1:03:53in a decade, whereas England and Wales are experienced
1:03:53 > 1:03:59a significant rise?
1:03:59 > 1:04:06A hatchet was put in my head. My son witnessed it from the window because
1:04:06 > 1:04:10it was outside my house.
1:04:10 > 1:04:12We'll be speaking to a Scottish chief constable to see
1:04:12 > 1:04:17what lessons can be learnt later in the programme.
1:04:17 > 1:04:20And we'll talk to the deaf mum who is suing the promoter
1:04:20 > 1:04:23of a gig by Little Mix, for failing to provide a sign
1:04:23 > 1:04:26language interpreter for the two support acts.
1:04:26 > 1:04:30One viewer says... In today's environment we must appreciate that
1:04:30 > 1:04:34resources are finite and interpreters are very expensive.
1:04:34 > 1:04:38This one says... I am not without sympathy for the deaf mother that
1:04:38 > 1:04:44you interviewed but surely, we might as well have a blind man suing the
1:04:44 > 1:04:55Tate modern because no-one described the Senate to him.
1:04:55 > 1:04:57the Senate to him. -- the art to him.
1:04:57 > 1:04:59And it's official - the nation loves Ant
1:04:59 > 1:05:00and Dec who won best
1:05:00 > 1:05:03presenters for the 17th time.
1:05:03 > 1:05:05We'll hear more about that and more from last night's
1:05:05 > 1:05:07National Television Awards.
1:05:07 > 1:05:13And the most watch programme of 2017, blue planet, received a
1:05:13 > 1:05:19special impact awards. We will hear from all of the winners -- hear
1:05:19 > 1:05:21about all of the winners in the next hour.
1:05:21 > 1:05:25Good morning.
1:05:25 > 1:05:28Here's Ben in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.
1:05:28 > 1:05:30The number of prosecutions which have collapsed because police
1:05:30 > 1:05:32or prosecutors didn't follow rules about disclosing evidence has risen
1:05:32 > 1:05:35by 70% in England and Wales over the past two years.
1:05:35 > 1:05:37Proceedings were dropped against more than 900 people
1:05:37 > 1:05:42in the 12 months to last April, because of problems with evidence.
1:05:42 > 1:05:47Our home affairs correspondent Danny Shaw reports.
1:05:47 > 1:05:50I was relieved not only for myself but also everyone that's been
1:05:50 > 1:05:51with me every step of the way.
1:05:51 > 1:05:53Under investigation for rape for two years,
1:05:53 > 1:05:55Liam Allen's life was on hold.
1:05:55 > 1:05:57Then, three days into his trial, his legal team received
1:05:57 > 1:05:59crucial information, and the prosecution was halted.
1:05:59 > 1:06:06The case highlighted problems with disclosure,
1:06:06 > 1:06:09the duty on police and prosecutors to pass on material which might
1:06:09 > 1:06:11assist the defence case or undermine the prosecution's.
1:06:11 > 1:06:14BBC News has obtained figures on how many people have been cleared or had
1:06:14 > 1:06:16allegations dropped against them because of disclosure failings.
1:06:16 > 1:06:23In 2014-15, proceedings were halted against 537 people.
1:06:23 > 1:06:26By last year, that number had risen to 916.
1:06:26 > 1:06:30That's a 70% increase in two years in the number of defendants cleared
1:06:30 > 1:06:38after disclosure failings emerged.
1:06:41 > 1:06:44The entire criminal justice system has to run on the public trusting
1:06:44 > 1:06:45and having confidence in it.
1:06:45 > 1:06:48It's seen as a very serious issue now at all levels and rightly
1:06:48 > 1:06:51so because unless the defence can have confidence, unless the public
1:06:51 > 1:06:52can have confidence in the disclosure regime,
1:06:52 > 1:06:59we're going to have problems.
1:06:59 > 1:07:03The Crown Prosecution Service pointed out that the number of cases
1:07:03 > 1:07:06which failed because of disclosure issues represented only a fraction,
1:07:06 > 1:07:100.15% of all prosecutions.
1:07:10 > 1:07:14But the CPS said that was still too many and it would take a collective
1:07:14 > 1:07:16effort across the criminal justice system to bring
1:07:16 > 1:07:17about an improvement.
1:07:17 > 1:07:20Danny Shaw, BBC News.
1:07:20 > 1:07:22UK unemployment fell by 3,000 to 1.4 million
1:07:22 > 1:07:25in the three months to November.
1:07:25 > 1:07:29The number of those in work increased sharply and wages rose
1:07:29 > 1:07:32at their fastest rate in almost a year, according to figures from
1:07:32 > 1:07:37the Office for National Statistics.
1:07:37 > 1:07:45Growth in wages at 2.4% remained below inflation at 3.1%.
1:07:47 > 1:07:51Two newspapers have threatened legal action if the Parole Board does not
1:07:51 > 1:07:54publish its reasons for agreeing to release the convicted rapist John
1:07:54 > 1:07:57Worboys. The Sun and the Daily Mail have written to the Justice
1:07:57 > 1:08:00Secretary demanding the report within seven days, or they say they
1:08:00 > 1:08:04will apply for a judicial review. Both the Parole Board and the
1:08:04 > 1:08:07Ministry of Justice said they're legally prohibited from disclosing
1:08:07 > 1:08:14such decisions. One in 11 patients in England is being prescribed
1:08:14 > 1:08:16medication which could be addictive or difficult to stop taken,
1:08:16 > 1:08:21according to new NHS data. Public Health England is launching a
1:08:21 > 1:08:25year-long review into what it calls the growing problem of ascription
1:08:25 > 1:08:28drug addiction. It will look at sedatives, painkillers and
1:08:28 > 1:08:32antidepressants.
1:08:32 > 1:08:35A deaf woman is suing the promoter of a concert by the pop group
1:08:35 > 1:08:38Little Mix for failing to provide a sign language interpreter
1:08:38 > 1:08:39for two support acts.
1:08:39 > 1:08:41Sally Reynolds and two deaf friends took their daughters
1:08:41 > 1:08:44to the concert last September, where after repeated requests,
1:08:44 > 1:08:48the promoter provided an interpreter for the main act,
1:08:48 > 1:08:53but not the support.
1:08:53 > 1:08:57Sally has been telling Victoria the difference having an interpreter for
1:08:57 > 1:09:04that part made to her.Well, I can hear the music but I can't follow
1:09:04 > 1:09:09the words. So, really in makes such a big difference to be able to see
1:09:09 > 1:09:15the lyrics translated. I could identify the songs, and for me, it
1:09:15 > 1:09:18was just so important to be able to see the interpreter, just to get
1:09:18 > 1:09:22that Clearview. They were opposite us, we were in the accessible area,
1:09:22 > 1:09:32which was great, for that part of the concert, it was perfect.
1:09:32 > 1:09:35England and the United States have opted out of a new international
1:09:35 > 1:09:37test which will measure how much teenagers respect other cultures
1:09:37 > 1:09:39and whether they can spot fake news.
1:09:39 > 1:09:41The subject has been added to the influential PISA tests,
1:09:41 > 1:09:43run by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation
1:09:43 > 1:09:51and Development, which rank education systems around the world.
1:09:57 > 1:10:01Stars of the small screen were on the red carpet last night. Best
1:10:01 > 1:10:07drama was won by Doctor Foster. And Ant and Dec were named Best
1:10:07 > 1:10:11Presenters for the 17th time. They also picked up the first ever Bruce
1:10:11 > 1:10:15Forsyth Entertainment Award.
1:10:15 > 1:10:17Lava is continuing to erupt from the most active
1:10:17 > 1:10:20volcano in the Philippines, Mount Mayon.
1:10:20 > 1:10:26The intense activity has been captured in this timelapse footage.
1:10:26 > 1:10:29More than 40,000 people have been moved from their homes
1:10:29 > 1:10:34in the surrounding area and a local airport has been closed.
1:10:34 > 1:10:40More headlines at half past ten.
1:10:43 > 1:10:46Quite a few of you have been in touch to talk about Tessa Jowell.
1:10:46 > 1:10:50This one says... What an inspiring and brave woman. This one says... It
1:10:50 > 1:11:03is very moving to hear Tessa Jowell talk about her diagnosis.
1:11:03 > 1:11:05talk about her diagnosis. Time for the sport, with Holly. The
1:11:05 > 1:11:08appointment of the new England women's manager has received mixed
1:11:08 > 1:11:13reactions, with many concerned Phil Neville simply doesn't have enough
1:11:13 > 1:11:16managerial experience. The former Manchester United and England
1:11:16 > 1:11:19defender has signed a three and a half year deal with the lionesses
1:11:19 > 1:11:24with the hope that it will bring new interest to the women's game is its
1:11:24 > 1:11:29most high-profile England manager. However Arsenal and former England
1:11:29 > 1:11:31defender Alex Scott says she is worried he does not have enough
1:11:31 > 1:11:36experience in the women's game.It is an interesting one, he has been
1:11:36 > 1:11:39involved in the game at the top level as a player, he has been
1:11:39 > 1:11:43assistant manager. Maybe the FA thought with this was the right
1:11:43 > 1:11:46appointment, that he can add insights. Obviously, he hasn't
1:11:46 > 1:11:49worked in the women's game, I think that will be the main thing that
1:11:49 > 1:11:53people will look at, but he has people around him to draw on and the
1:11:53 > 1:11:57experience of people like Casey Stoney, who is looking to move into
1:11:57 > 1:12:01a managerial role, so as long as he builds the right network of people
1:12:01 > 1:12:07around him I'm sure he will be fine. Within hours of his confirmation as
1:12:07 > 1:12:10manager, screen shots of old tweets he had posted were circulating on
1:12:10 > 1:12:22Twitter. On one from 2012, he had written...
1:12:22 > 1:12:27written... He has since deleted his Twitter account. Pep Guardiola has
1:12:27 > 1:12:33his first cup final in England, with he's side on the cusp of an
1:12:33 > 1:12:36unprecedented season quadruple. They beat Bristol City 3-2 last night to
1:12:36 > 1:12:41get to the final of the League Cup. Goals came from Leroy Sane, Sergio
1:12:41 > 1:12:45Aguero and Kevin De Bruyne. Manchester City will face either
1:12:45 > 1:12:50Arsenal or Chelsea, who play tonight. Celtic came from behind in
1:12:50 > 1:12:54their Glasgow derby at Partick Thistle to win 2-1. Partick Thistle
1:12:54 > 1:12:59had taken the lead through a penalty but Celtic equalised with a penalty
1:12:59 > 1:13:03of their own before Leigh Griffiths got the winner. It stretches
1:13:03 > 1:13:09Celtic's lead at the top of the table to 11 points. Over to
1:13:09 > 1:13:13Melbourne, where the line-up for the Australian Open semifinal is almost
1:13:13 > 1:13:18complete. On court right now, Roger Federer and Tomas Berdych. Federer
1:13:18 > 1:13:22came back from 5-2 down in the first set to take its sevensix. He has
1:13:22 > 1:13:32just taken the second now, sixthree. Whoever is the winner of that match
1:13:32 > 1:13:38will face Chung Hyeon in the last four after he beat his American
1:13:38 > 1:13:42opponent in straights sets. The South Korean is the youngest Grand
1:13:42 > 1:13:48Slam semifinalist for eight years. Earlier, world number one Simona
1:13:48 > 1:13:53Halep beat Pliskova to reach the women's semifinals. Simona Halep was
1:13:53 > 1:13:583-0 down in the first set but for back to win nine games in a row on
1:13:58 > 1:14:04her way to winning in straight sets. She will face Angelique Kerber in
1:14:04 > 1:14:10the last four after the German thrashed Madison Keys. Angelique
1:14:10 > 1:14:13Kerber has won all 14 singles matches she's played so far this
1:14:13 > 1:14:26season. We will have the latest from Melbourne in around half an hour.
1:14:27 > 1:14:30We brought you the news earlier that knife crime in Scotland has reduced
1:14:30 > 1:14:33massively in the last decade - at a time when similar crimes
1:14:33 > 1:14:35in England and Wales are at their highest
1:14:35 > 1:14:36level since 2011.
1:14:36 > 1:14:39The police in Scotland have adopted what's known as a public health
1:14:39 > 1:14:40approach to dealing with the issue.
1:14:40 > 1:14:43Louis Lee Ray went to meet a former gang member who's
1:14:43 > 1:14:44turned his life around.
1:14:44 > 1:14:45A warning - his film contains graphic
1:14:45 > 1:14:53descriptions of violence.
1:14:53 > 1:14:54Stabbed in the head.
1:14:54 > 1:14:56Fractured skulls.
1:14:56 > 1:15:04Stabbed in the back, punctured lungs.
1:15:04 > 1:15:07I started to get involved in violence when I was about 12.
1:15:07 > 1:15:10Gang fighting, from the age of 12, 13, I remember getting brought
1:15:10 > 1:15:16in by the police when I was 13 years of age.
1:15:16 > 1:15:17It's all fear-driven.
1:15:17 > 1:15:20You carry a knife because of fear, and then you fear that
1:15:20 > 1:15:21you've got a knife on you.
1:15:21 > 1:15:29It is riddled with ten different forms of fear.
1:15:46 > 1:15:51Scotland was often held up as the trauma capital of Europe. We had
1:15:51 > 1:15:54surgeons coming to Glasgow Royal infirmary to try to learn how to
1:15:54 > 1:16:05deal with Nike run.
1:16:07 > 1:16:10But what we changed it to, to de-normalise the feeling that
1:16:10 > 1:16:12everybody else was carrying weapons, that actually, it actually meant
1:16:12 > 1:16:15that people started to realise, weapons were in the minority,
1:16:15 > 1:16:16weapons were no longer cool to carry.
1:16:16 > 1:16:19And what we've seen was, over a period of time,
1:16:19 > 1:16:21young people's attitudes towards carrying weapons
1:16:21 > 1:16:29and carrying knives changed.
1:16:37 > 1:16:39Didn't know where I was going in life.
1:16:39 > 1:16:42I used to look and people and think, they know where they're going,
1:16:42 > 1:16:45they know what they're doing with their life, I don't know
1:16:45 > 1:16:46what I'm doing with my life.
1:16:46 > 1:16:48I come here, I've got a purpose.
1:16:48 > 1:16:50There's nothing more rewarding at the end of a day,
1:16:50 > 1:16:58when you've earned an honest day's work.
1:17:11 > 1:17:12Let's speak now to Assistant Chief Constable Mark Williams,
1:17:12 > 1:17:15from Police Scotland; Sophie Linden, London's Deputy Mayor for Policing
1:17:15 > 1:17:17and Crime; Lorraine Jones, whose son was a few months short
1:17:17 > 1:17:20of his 21st birthday when he was fatally stabbed
1:17:20 > 1:17:22in South London; and Mahamed Hashi, who was stabbed when he was
1:17:22 > 1:17:30a teenager, he's now a youth worker
1:17:32 > 1:17:36Mark Williams, let's begin with you. This quite astonishing drop in knife
1:17:36 > 1:17:39crime since you changed your approach to it, since you started
1:17:39 > 1:17:44treating it as a public health issue. The Mayor of London wants an
1:17:44 > 1:17:48increase in stop and search to tackle the rise in the capital - is
1:17:48 > 1:17:53that the wrong approach?The approach we have taken in Police
1:17:53 > 1:17:56Scotland is an approach that has worked on a number of different
1:17:56 > 1:17:59levels. I think the public health approach you have heard about this
1:17:59 > 1:18:04morning has been very successful, and what we have recognised as a
1:18:04 > 1:18:08policing service is that the police alone could never tackle the
1:18:08 > 1:18:14problems of violence in totality. There had to be a partnership
1:18:14 > 1:18:23approach taken. Now, part of our journey along the violins prevention
1:18:23 > 1:18:26success you have seen has been stop and search. We have made changes to
1:18:26 > 1:18:31it in recent years. The volumes of stop and search have reduced
1:18:31 > 1:18:35significantly in the last four years as a result of the new code of
1:18:35 > 1:18:40practice being introduced last year. So, while stop and search remains an
1:18:40 > 1:18:44important policing tactic on it isn't the be all and end all. There
1:18:44 > 1:18:47is no single solution. And the approach around public health as a
1:18:47 > 1:18:53whole is more important.Sophie Linden, perhaps increasing stop and
1:18:53 > 1:19:03search is not the answer?We agree. The public is in London should
1:19:03 > 1:19:07expect an increase in stop and search. The knife crime is
1:19:07 > 1:19:12increasing, stop and search, intelligence led, will increase.But
1:19:12 > 1:19:17it has not been done in Scotland.As Mark said, it is not the only
1:19:17 > 1:19:20answer, and we publish their strategy last year which border
1:19:20 > 1:19:23enforcement alongside the public health approach. That's about early
1:19:23 > 1:19:29intervention and prevention. It is interesting, the video you showed,
1:19:29 > 1:19:32showing interventions in hospitals, we have learned from Scotland and we
1:19:32 > 1:19:36are intervening in hospitals, funding youth workers to go into
1:19:36 > 1:19:43A&Es.Why are the numbers of fatal stabbings going up, then?It is
1:19:43 > 1:19:47increasing in England and Wales, and we know that it is only through
1:19:47 > 1:19:50enforcement with early intervention and prevention that we will make
1:19:50 > 1:19:55progress on this.Argue prepared to do what they have done in Scotland,
1:19:55 > 1:19:58help people with mental health problems, help them potentially get
1:19:58 > 1:20:02the job, get decent accommodation? One of the other interesting things
1:20:02 > 1:20:07in your package...Sorry, could you just answer the question?
1:20:07 > 1:20:10Absolutely, the Mayor is investing in mental health services in schools
1:20:10 > 1:20:20and in projects
1:20:23 > 1:20:26that help people out of violence, but he can only go so far. The
1:20:26 > 1:20:28Scottish Government is investing in this as well. Whilst the Mayor is
1:20:28 > 1:20:30investing in London, the Government is withdrawing funds to the key
1:20:30 > 1:20:33services that will make a difference.Why are you shaking your
1:20:33 > 1:20:39head? Do you disagree?Again, it is the issue of the Government. We
1:20:39 > 1:20:42can't keep doing things by ourselves, we need support. The
1:20:42 > 1:20:45money getting dragged out is affecting young people. They are
1:20:45 > 1:20:48afraid and giving through a whole host of issues. I agree with Sophie,
1:20:48 > 1:20:54it is not a police issue. The police enforcers. We need to engage with
1:20:54 > 1:20:59people around their mental health, their family lives. It has to be a
1:20:59 > 1:21:03holistic approach. Withdrawing £99 million is not going to solve it. It
1:21:03 > 1:21:09will make it worse.Do you see health professionals, health...
1:21:09 > 1:21:18Education professionals wanting to pursue the Scottish approach?IQ
1:21:18 > 1:21:24violins commission has been put together, and I have sat in
1:21:24 > 1:21:27meetings, and I have seen the strategy they are putting together,
1:21:27 > 1:21:30but without the support from the Government, it is like they are
1:21:30 > 1:21:34sitting on an island looking at us like we are in a zoo, and these
1:21:34 > 1:21:38problems don't affect them. Our kids are dying every single day and they
1:21:38 > 1:21:42withdraw funds. I don't understand. Lorraine, your son sadly lost his
1:21:42 > 1:21:51life a few years ago. You spend time now trying to tackle like run,
1:21:51 > 1:21:54telling people not to carry knives. You have also been to Alabama, and
1:21:54 > 1:21:58it sounds like they are doing similar things to Scotland.They
1:21:58 > 1:22:02are. They are doing brilliant work in Birmingham, Alabama. The crime
1:22:02 > 1:22:09rate is just horrific there. It is a disease. It really is a disease.
1:22:09 > 1:22:13Scotland have hit the nail on the head. And we really need to look at
1:22:13 > 1:22:19it for what it is. These young people, they are sick. We have to
1:22:19 > 1:22:24deal with all the aspects of their well-being and mental health to be
1:22:24 > 1:22:30able to get to the root of this problem. Yes, he died of one single
1:22:30 > 1:22:35stab wound that went right through his heart. I haven't been able to
1:22:35 > 1:22:41grieve as a mother because I am relentlessly campaigning. And as was
1:22:41 > 1:22:44said, we need the Government to support us. The Iraqi people like
1:22:44 > 1:22:50myself and other services. With Scotland, they did research in 2002.
1:22:50 > 1:22:54They went across the world to gather information to put this model
1:22:54 > 1:22:58together. We've got great inspirational people here in the UK,
1:22:58 > 1:23:04and the investment is needed for us to tackle this together.I want to
1:23:04 > 1:23:09put this to you, Mark Williams, if I may: What do you say to those who
1:23:09 > 1:23:13are watching now who don't carry a knife, who don't get involved in
1:23:13 > 1:23:17violence, who have never broken the law and think perhaps it is grossly
1:23:17 > 1:23:22unfair that your help is targeted at those who do break the law, violent,
1:23:22 > 1:23:25knife carrying criminals who you will help get a house over job or
1:23:25 > 1:23:29get help for the mental health and so on?It is important to understand
1:23:29 > 1:23:34that the health of the whole community is what matters, the
1:23:34 > 1:23:38well-being of our communities across Scotland is what comes first. All of
1:23:38 > 1:23:42the social policy and the public health approach leads to a healthier
1:23:42 > 1:23:46Scotland, a place where people are safer and a place where people who
1:23:46 > 1:23:50do carry knives won't be tolerated. But equally, they are offered the
1:23:50 > 1:23:55opportunity to devote, the opportunity to do something
1:23:55 > 1:23:59different. And they understand the stigma around carrying a knife. A
1:23:59 > 1:24:04lot of the work we do with young people in schools is very much about
1:24:04 > 1:24:06that, about influencing their decision-making at the earliest
1:24:06 > 1:24:10stages of their lives. What we understand, and I think what has
1:24:10 > 1:24:18just been touched on there, is that the value of academic evidence is
1:24:18 > 1:24:24important, because we know that childhood experiences that take
1:24:24 > 1:24:28place in the early years of some of the most deprived people in our
1:24:28 > 1:24:32communities have a massive impact on their future life chances and the
1:24:32 > 1:24:35likelihood of them being incarcerated or suffering from
1:24:35 > 1:24:38mental health issues, or suffering from chronic alcoholism or drug
1:24:38 > 1:24:44abuse. All of that has to be taken into account when you're designing
1:24:44 > 1:24:48policies to address long-term reductions in violence. That is what
1:24:48 > 1:24:52has happened in Scotland.When our guest CSA, actually, we can't do
1:24:52 > 1:24:57that when money is being cut, is that a fair point, from your point
1:24:57 > 1:25:07of view? -- when our guests say.... Investing together with partners in
1:25:07 > 1:25:12the sort of policies we have done in Scotland, and that we have talked
1:25:12 > 1:25:15about this morning, actually has a long-term financial impact on
1:25:15 > 1:25:22society. Public health and social polity come in lots of different
1:25:22 > 1:25:25guises, but the minimum pricing of alcohol, for example, that will kick
1:25:25 > 1:25:31off this year in Scotland will have a wide impact on society, not just
1:25:31 > 1:25:35on the reduction of violence, but in lots of other positive ways as well,
1:25:35 > 1:25:39including employability. All of that needs to be taken into account.Let
1:25:39 > 1:25:45me read this statement from the Home Office. Knife crime has devastating
1:25:45 > 1:25:47consequences on our communities and we are determined to tackle it head
1:25:47 > 1:25:54on. That is why we are working with partners to address the root cause
1:25:54 > 1:26:01of the problems. Last month we provided £765,000 to organisations
1:26:01 > 1:26:06tackling knife crime, and the funds were focused on young people,
1:26:06 > 1:26:11including those most at risk. We also work to make sure that people
1:26:11 > 1:26:18affected by gangs get support. We have announced a serious violence
1:26:18 > 1:26:22strategy that will be published earlier this year for -- early this
1:26:22 > 1:26:26year. Mohammed, you were stabbed when you were 15. I wonder if you
1:26:26 > 1:26:30would describe for our audience what it is like to experience that.It is
1:26:30 > 1:26:37interesting, because for me, by the grace of God, I survived, unlike
1:26:37 > 1:26:41Twain, unfortunately. For me, what it was was the fear that I was
1:26:41 > 1:26:45infected with afterwards. For the next four weeks, I carried a
1:26:45 > 1:26:51screwdriver because I was afraid of the imbalance of power. I was
1:26:51 > 1:26:55attacked by a group with knives and I had no knife. There was a fear
1:26:55 > 1:26:59that that imbalance would happen again. It is that fear that keeps
1:26:59 > 1:27:04infecting our young people today. The reason they carry knives, it is
1:27:04 > 1:27:08publicised across all the media that it is a fashion. It is fear that
1:27:08 > 1:27:12drives them, because I was terrified. And then I was angry,
1:27:12 > 1:27:17which is not a good place to be when you have a weapon. You can get into
1:27:17 > 1:27:20a minor argument, and the first thing you're thinking is, I'm even
1:27:20 > 1:27:25more powerful because I have this weapon. For me, as a victim, I can
1:27:25 > 1:27:28only imagine being stopped by the police and then finding that
1:27:28 > 1:27:34screwdriver, because in my head, I would feel like I was being
1:27:34 > 1:27:39re-victimised. And I was carrying it for fear. A lot of young people who
1:27:39 > 1:27:45are carrying knives, the fear is infectious. The question asked about
1:27:45 > 1:27:52people not carrying knives, they are not immune to this fear.I had so
1:27:52 > 1:27:57many young people coming to my service wearing bullet-proof vests
1:27:57 > 1:28:03as part of their dressing attire. That's the level of fear that young
1:28:03 > 1:28:07people are going through, and it is rippling into the family. We don't
1:28:07 > 1:28:11just need to support the young people, we need to support families
1:28:11 > 1:28:15as well, the parents, especially in cases like mine, where we have lost
1:28:15 > 1:28:22a child. The ripple effects are... Devastating.
1:28:22 > 1:28:27Devastating. Sorry. It's devastating.Don't apologise.
1:28:27 > 1:28:33Because we've got hard-working professionals like myself that have
1:28:33 > 1:28:41been working relentlessly to build this country, who are now becoming
1:28:41 > 1:28:47victims. Who is helping us? I mean, thank God I'm a strong woman, and I
1:28:47 > 1:28:52have channelled my pain to turn it into power to work with the police,
1:28:52 > 1:28:56with the Government, with other services to tackle this. I am a
1:28:56 > 1:29:04pastor, and I work with so many families. We have a man who will
1:29:04 > 1:29:10bury his son on Friday. His son was stabbed multiple times. He is a
1:29:10 > 1:29:16faithful bus driver. He is in trauma, shock and grief. This is a
1:29:16 > 1:29:21disease that ripples through the family into the community, and it's
1:29:21 > 1:29:24that serious that it needs to be dealt with.Thank you very much.
1:29:24 > 1:29:28Thank you for coming on the programme. Thank you, all. We
1:29:28 > 1:29:33appreciate your time. Mark Williams from police got in, we really
1:29:33 > 1:29:38appreciate your time. Thank you. Still to come: We will be speaking
1:29:38 > 1:29:42to a reporter who went undercover to an all-male charity event where the
1:29:42 > 1:29:49female hosts were allegedly groped and sexually harassed. It's 10:30am.
1:29:49 > 1:29:55Here are the latest news headlines. The number of prosecutions which
1:29:55 > 1:29:58have collapsed because police and prosecutors did not follow rules
1:29:58 > 1:30:03about disclosing evidence has risen by 70% in England and Wales over the
1:30:03 > 1:30:07last two years. Proceedings were dropped against more than 900 people
1:30:07 > 1:30:10in the 12 months to last April because of problems with evidence.
1:30:10 > 1:30:14The issue has been highlighted by some recent rape trials which put
1:30:14 > 1:30:21the judicial process under scrutiny.
1:30:21 > 1:30:23UK unemployment fell by 3,000 to 1.4 million
1:30:23 > 1:30:25in the three months to November.
1:30:25 > 1:30:28The number of those in work increased sharply and wages rose
1:30:28 > 1:30:30at their fastest rate in almost a year, according to figures from
1:30:30 > 1:30:32the Office for National Statistics.
1:30:32 > 1:30:40Growth in wages at 2.4% remained below inflation at 3.1%.
1:30:42 > 1:30:47One in 11 patients in England is being prescribed
1:30:47 > 1:30:49medication which could be addictive or difficult to stop taking,
1:30:49 > 1:30:50according to new NHS data.
1:30:50 > 1:30:54Public Health England is launching a year-long review into what it
1:30:54 > 1:30:55calls the growing problem of prescription
1:30:55 > 1:30:58drug addiction.
1:30:58 > 1:31:01It will look at sedatives, painkillers and antidepressants.
1:31:01 > 1:31:04Two newspapers have threatened legal action if the Parole Board does not
1:31:04 > 1:31:06publish its reasons for agreeing to release the convicted
1:31:06 > 1:31:08rapist John Worboys.
1:31:08 > 1:31:10The Sun and the Daily Mail have written to the board,
1:31:10 > 1:31:12and the Justice Secretary David Gauke, demanding the report
1:31:12 > 1:31:14within seven days - or they will apply for
1:31:14 > 1:31:16a judicial review.
1:31:16 > 1:31:21But both the Parole board and the Ministry of Justice said
1:31:21 > 1:31:26they are legally prohibited from disclosing such decisions.
1:31:26 > 1:31:29A deaf woman is suing the promoter of a concert by the pop group,
1:31:29 > 1:31:31Little Mix, for failing to provide a sign language interpreter
1:31:31 > 1:31:32for two support acts.
1:31:32 > 1:31:35Sally Reynolds and two deaf friends took their daughters to the concert
1:31:35 > 1:31:38last September where - under threat of legal action -
1:31:38 > 1:31:40the promoter agreed to provide an interpreter but only
1:31:40 > 1:31:41for the main act.
1:31:41 > 1:31:43Sally told Victoria the difference having an interpreter for that
1:31:43 > 1:31:51part had made to her.
1:32:04 > 1:32:07We're told that there's no such thing as a free lunch.
1:32:07 > 1:32:09That's unless you're an infant school child in England.
1:32:09 > 1:32:111.4 million four- to seven-year-olds have been
1:32:11 > 1:32:12receiving a free lunch since 2014.
1:32:12 > 1:32:19Now, a report from the independent, evidence-based research institute,
1:32:19 > 1:32:21Now, a report from the independent, evidence-based research institute
1:32:21 > 1:32:23the Education Policy Institute has found child nutrition,
1:32:23 > 1:32:25concentration, attainment and overall health has improved
1:32:25 > 1:32:26since it was introduced.
1:32:26 > 1:32:28Now the Lead Association for Catering in Education,
1:32:28 > 1:32:30who commissioned the report, are calling for the government
1:32:30 > 1:32:33to extend its plans further to cover ALL primary school children.
1:32:33 > 1:32:35But with the government already investing £600 million a year
1:32:35 > 1:32:40in universal free school meals, would that be money well spent?
1:32:40 > 1:32:46Let's speak now to Louise Regan, a primary school head teacher
1:32:46 > 1:32:50and President of the NUT section of the National Education Union
1:32:50 > 1:32:53and Daphne Aikens, who is chief executive of the Hammersmith
1:32:53 > 1:32:55and Fulham Foodbank, which runs a variety of projects
1:32:55 > 1:32:57including holiday clubs for children who receive free school
1:32:57 > 1:32:58meals during term time.
1:32:58 > 1:33:03And in Salford we have Charlotte Hughes, who says
1:33:03 > 1:33:04although she struggles financially, her 11-year-old
1:33:04 > 1:33:10daughter doesn't qualify for free school meals.
1:33:10 > 1:33:13Welcome, all of you and thank you for them and on the programme.
1:33:13 > 1:33:17Charlotte, do you think all primary school children in England and Wales
1:33:17 > 1:33:22should receive free school meals? Absolutely I do. Being poor and
1:33:22 > 1:33:30suffering from fall poverty does not end after year two. It has just come
1:33:30 > 1:33:33out yesterday, 25 constituencies are suffering levels of at least 40% of
1:33:33 > 1:33:40their children living in poverty. It is awful. Children are going hungry.
1:33:40 > 1:33:46I put the question that, it does need to continue. And I would also
1:33:46 > 1:33:50beg the question that it needs to continue into secondary education as
1:33:50 > 1:33:54well...I hear what you're saying, tell me why it is a good use of
1:33:54 > 1:34:00taxpayers' money to provide free school dinners for all state school
1:34:00 > 1:34:03children in England and Wales when some parents can afford to pay for
1:34:03 > 1:34:08it?Well, we have got a big problem with discrimination in this country.
1:34:08 > 1:34:12I remember being on free school meals at school and I remember
1:34:12 > 1:34:16feeling disc related against and alienated from friends. I don't
1:34:16 > 1:34:21think we should put children in a position where they feel like this.
1:34:21 > 1:34:25All children, no matter where they are in life, need to have a good
1:34:25 > 1:34:29meal every single day and they need to be with their friends to do this.
1:34:29 > 1:34:32Also I think this will save the government money in health issues
1:34:32 > 1:34:39and NHS related issues also. So, it is a really good thing. At my
1:34:39 > 1:34:41daughter's school there's children going hungry. It is unacceptable, it
1:34:41 > 1:34:51really is.Let a bring in primary school head teacher Louise Regan,
1:34:51 > 1:34:55why should it be extended to all primary school children?I think the
1:34:55 > 1:35:00parent has made a very good point. The difficulty is, children don't
1:35:00 > 1:35:04suddenly not become hungry when they move into year three. If they're
1:35:04 > 1:35:07living in poverty, they are hungry and they need a good healthy dinner
1:35:07 > 1:35:11and they need it right through their primary career. As the parent has
1:35:11 > 1:35:15said, people say we can't afford this, but the long-term health
1:35:15 > 1:35:19benefits of a good start to a young person's life have to be catered
1:35:19 > 1:35:22for. Also the fact that having a really healthy, nutritional hot
1:35:22 > 1:35:27dinner in the middle of the date helps with learning and
1:35:27 > 1:35:29concentration and helps good physical development. All of those
1:35:29 > 1:35:32benefits have to be taken into account, when you look at the
1:35:32 > 1:35:36overall cost.I totally understand that, investing to save money down
1:35:36 > 1:35:40the line, but what about those parents who can afford to pay for
1:35:40 > 1:35:43the school dinners?The difficulty is always, where do you draw the
1:35:43 > 1:35:47line and we have a parent here who says she is not entitled to it but
1:35:47 > 1:35:52says she struggles. Parents who are working on going to food banks.But
1:35:52 > 1:35:57I am asking you about the ones who can afford it.But who decides? That
1:35:57 > 1:36:01has always been the difficulty. And there is also a huge difficulty with
1:36:01 > 1:36:05stigmatisation of those people who are entitled to benefits and those
1:36:05 > 1:36:10not taking it up. Again, it's very difficult to say where you draw the
1:36:10 > 1:36:15line and say, those are the parents that can afford to pay. This parent
1:36:15 > 1:36:20has said, she struggles to afford it but is not actually entitled.If
1:36:20 > 1:36:26this was extended to all children from reception to year six, what
1:36:26 > 1:36:29difference would it make to the work that you do in school holiday time?
1:36:29 > 1:36:34It could make a very big difference. We have hundreds of children
1:36:34 > 1:36:38attending our holiday clubs, and they're hungry. There's families who
1:36:38 > 1:36:41might not qualify for free school meals but are really struggling to
1:36:41 > 1:36:46pay for the extra meals at lunchtime in the holidays. Hot, healthy meals
1:36:46 > 1:36:49for click bit of entertainment, and for those families it makes big
1:36:49 > 1:36:55savings and a big difference to those children.Sorry, I was just
1:36:55 > 1:36:59about to take a deep rough because you will have heard this many times
1:36:59 > 1:37:03before, as I have, there are people watching now who do not believe that
1:37:03 > 1:37:07children in this country are hungry in the school holidays because we
1:37:07 > 1:37:11are the sixth richest economy in the world, and also they will say it is
1:37:11 > 1:37:15because their parents can't budget...I have been running a food
1:37:15 > 1:37:20bank for nearly eight years, and over those eight years, seven and a
1:37:20 > 1:37:25half years, numbers have grown significantly. In 2017 9400 people
1:37:25 > 1:37:28benefited from our food banks and about a third of those were
1:37:28 > 1:37:33children. These are families who are being very impacted by benefits,
1:37:33 > 1:37:38Universal Credit rolled out in our borough in 2016, families who are
1:37:38 > 1:37:42getting maybe £200 a month to live on, to pay for food, for school
1:37:42 > 1:37:47uniforms, clothes and travel. Gas and electric and everything. It is
1:37:47 > 1:37:51not enough for people to live on. These families need their free
1:37:51 > 1:37:57school meals, they rely on us during term time and holiday time. Coming
1:37:57 > 1:38:01to my food bank, you can do it any time. There is real poverty, there
1:38:01 > 1:38:05are children who have nothing to eat.Thank you all, we will see what
1:38:05 > 1:38:11happens. We have heard this morning that unemployment has fallen against
1:38:11 > 1:38:16any number of people in work is at an all-time high. But there are some
1:38:16 > 1:38:19more depressing stats out today, that the happiness and confidence of
1:38:19 > 1:38:22young people in this country has dropped to its youngest level in
1:38:22 > 1:38:27years. The Princess trust survey to more than 2000 young people and
1:38:27 > 1:38:30found that concerns about their future and job prospects are really
1:38:30 > 1:38:33playing on the minds of quite a lot of them. Five young people have been
1:38:33 > 1:38:37sharing their work worries with us. When are you going to stand on your
1:38:37 > 1:38:43own two feet?
1:38:43 > 1:38:49own two feet? You are not masculine enough.Maybe you are not able to
1:38:49 > 1:38:57take it on at the minute, it would be too much of a big step...
1:38:59 > 1:39:08I worry about being a good mum is because I don't take I can pull it
1:39:08 > 1:39:12off all by myself. It is not the situation I imagine it would be all
1:39:12 > 1:39:18by myself and I just worry, we won't be financially steadied.I am very
1:39:18 > 1:39:21anxious in a sense that it is an apprenticeship and it will end
1:39:21 > 1:39:25eventually and I'm worrying where I will go after that, will I be good
1:39:25 > 1:39:30enough to go anywhere after that? It is all about people believing in you
1:39:30 > 1:39:35as well.It is the culture in terms of like, if I am not making enough
1:39:35 > 1:39:39money, if I'm not living up to the type of life, that I'm not doing
1:39:39 > 1:39:43something right. For me it is about trying to be at peace with where I
1:39:43 > 1:39:49am at in my life now.
1:40:06 > 1:40:12We all have this worry, a lot of me and my friends, maybe I've just
1:40:12 > 1:40:17started of a first, proper, full-time job, some might have been
1:40:17 > 1:40:20to university and can't even find a job now. Everybody has to worry
1:40:20 > 1:40:26about moving up, getting a job, to get you by, one that you have just
1:40:26 > 1:40:36sort of scene and gone for.
1:40:36 > 1:40:39Getting a job was probably the biggest achievement I've had in a
1:40:39 > 1:40:54long-time, so I'm happy with that. Having done my apprenticeship, I
1:40:54 > 1:40:59feel like there is more opportunities than people think.
1:40:59 > 1:41:04However, I feel like a lot of people don't get enough guidance and stuff,
1:41:04 > 1:41:07which they need in order to see the opportunities that are out there for
1:41:07 > 1:41:12them.There's no point being worried about what if and what could be and
1:41:12 > 1:41:19what could have been, just focus on what's going on now.You can see
1:41:19 > 1:41:27more on our website.
1:41:27 > 1:41:29more on our website. Financial Times journalists working undercover as
1:41:29 > 1:41:34hostesses allege that they were groped and propositioned at a men
1:41:34 > 1:41:38only charity dinner at London's Dorchester hotel. The organisers of
1:41:38 > 1:41:41the Presidents club annual fundraiser have said they are
1:41:41 > 1:41:44appalled by allegations of sexual harassment at the event and have
1:41:44 > 1:41:50launched an investigation.
1:41:50 > 1:41:52The guest list for the dinner included bankers,
1:41:52 > 1:41:55entrepreneurs and celebrities.
1:41:55 > 1:41:59Here is a flavour of what the Financial Times and said it found
1:41:59 > 1:42:03via secret recording and it begins with a host telling the audience,
1:42:03 > 1:42:09welcome to the most unVC event of the year.
1:42:24 > 1:42:29Maria Miller chairs the Parliamentary committee and
1:42:29 > 1:42:39suggested that the equalities at me need to be strengthened.
1:42:39 > 1:42:41need to be strengthened.I think at a time when Hollywood and
1:42:41 > 1:42:46Westminster are getting their act in order, to see so many of the top
1:42:46 > 1:42:49establishment in British business involved in an event like this I
1:42:49 > 1:42:52think gives cause for concern, and has to bring into question whether
1:42:52 > 1:43:00or not the laws are strong enough in this area Maria Miller.
1:43:00 > 1:43:03Madison Marriage is one of the undercover Financial Times
1:43:03 > 1:43:06reporters who went in to the event, and the Labour MP Jess Phillips has
1:43:06 > 1:43:14campaigned on equality issues.
1:43:15 > 1:43:18Madison, why don't you tell our audience what job you were expected
1:43:18 > 1:43:25to do that night, what was the brief?I was hired as a hostess.
1:43:25 > 1:43:29Posters in jobs, plenty of women do them around the country at sports
1:43:29 > 1:43:32events, music concerts, essentially being a waitress, you're there to be
1:43:32 > 1:43:37friendly and smile and serve drinks. And just to make people feel
1:43:37 > 1:43:42comfortable.What were you expected to wear a?We were told in advance
1:43:42 > 1:43:45to bring a pair of black high heels, to be wearing black underwear, and
1:43:45 > 1:43:50that we would be given a black dress and black belt on the night.And on
1:43:50 > 1:43:57the evening itself, tell me more about the clientele?So, the men
1:43:57 > 1:44:02introduced themselves by their first names, so we don't necessarily know
1:44:02 > 1:44:06their backgrounds, but it was a room of 360 men, and we had done the
1:44:06 > 1:44:11background research on who they all were, and plenty of big names, from
1:44:11 > 1:44:17a property, finance, media, sport, theatre, the arts, academia, pretty
1:44:17 > 1:44:20much every sector was represented. And what happened to you and some of
1:44:20 > 1:44:25the other hostesses?Numerous hostesses told me that they had been
1:44:25 > 1:44:29groped by men present on the night. Several had been propositioned,
1:44:29 > 1:44:34asked to go upstairs to people's bedrooms. One woman was asked
1:44:34 > 1:44:40directly whether she was a prostitute. It was a kind of incest
1:44:40 > 1:44:45and stream of harassment.And did it happen to you as well?Alan tell us
1:44:45 > 1:44:51what happened. I was groped several times.Do you mind me asking where
1:44:51 > 1:45:00you were touched?It's a bit drunk of will to go into details, but...
1:45:01 > 1:45:04Categorically, that kind of behaviour.How did you react?Move
1:45:04 > 1:45:07away from that person as quickly as possible and avoid them for the rest
1:45:07 > 1:45:11of the nitrogen what did you think about the whole atmosphere that
1:45:11 > 1:45:18evening? Charged.What do you mean?
1:45:18 > 1:45:24A very macho, excitable... I have never witnessed an environment like
1:45:24 > 1:45:28that in my life.And what do you think about what you witnessed?It
1:45:28 > 1:45:34was shocking and surprising to see it's still going on in this day in
1:45:34 > 1:45:37age.Jess Phillips, what do you think about what Madison has
1:45:37 > 1:45:44uncovered?I am horrified, obviously. I'm tired as well, tired
1:45:44 > 1:45:48of having to continually say it's 2018 and totally unacceptable that
1:45:48 > 1:45:55women should be hired in as a herd to entertain a group of entitled,
1:45:55 > 1:46:01rich men. Because, you know, that's not what we're teaching our kids is
1:46:01 > 1:46:04an acceptable thing. Some of the people involved, certainly some of
1:46:04 > 1:46:11those organising the event, have links with the Department of
1:46:11 > 1:46:14Education. It is unacceptable that people who are allowed to make
1:46:14 > 1:46:22decisions about where Mike children are... Go to school can have an
1:46:22 > 1:46:26event with women parading around. This is what the president of the
1:46:26 > 1:46:30club said in a statement: The club raised several million pounds for
1:46:30 > 1:46:39disadvantaged children at its event. We are appalled by
1:46:39 > 1:46:42We are appalled by allegations of... The allegations will be investigated
1:46:42 > 1:46:48fully and promptly and appropriate action taken. Are you reassured?No,
1:46:48 > 1:46:54I'm not. They organised an event where they hired in over 100 women,
1:46:54 > 1:46:58not to serve the catering order food. It wasn't a functional job,
1:46:58 > 1:47:02and they were told what underwear to wear. Have you ever been told what
1:47:02 > 1:47:07underwear to wear at work?No.I can't say that I have had a job
1:47:07 > 1:47:14where they had told me that. The express intention was to get these
1:47:14 > 1:47:18men drinking, having fun, make them easy and free and feel powerful and
1:47:18 > 1:47:23show off in front of their friends so that they give out money. It is
1:47:23 > 1:47:30disgraceful. This is just completely and utterly weak.The Dorchester,
1:47:30 > 1:47:34the hotel where it was held: We are greatly concerned about the
1:47:34 > 1:47:36allegations levelled the organisers of a private event at the hotel. We
1:47:36 > 1:47:41were not aware of any claims during or following the charity event. We
1:47:41 > 1:47:44have zero tolerance of any harassment of our guests, employees
1:47:44 > 1:47:49and suppliers. We are in discussions with the organisers and an
1:47:49 > 1:47:51investigation is under way. Madison, do you know if any of the other
1:47:51 > 1:47:56hostesses made a formal complaint? Did that happen, do know?I don't
1:47:56 > 1:48:03know if they did. I know this wasn't a one-off occurrence, not just last
1:48:03 > 1:48:08week's event. This dinner has been running for 33 years annually, and I
1:48:08 > 1:48:15have had hostesses from 2012, 2014, 2015 telling me it was running an
1:48:15 > 1:48:18identical way in previous years and women were treated just as badly on
1:48:18 > 1:48:25those nights as well.What should be done, then?I think they should stop
1:48:25 > 1:48:29running this event. People say, what a shame, it is giving money to Great
1:48:29 > 1:48:33Ormond Street Hospital, but you can do that without attending a lady
1:48:33 > 1:48:45Sue, I think. You can offer your cash. -- a lady zoo.
1:48:48 > 1:48:51cash. -- a lady zoo. Maybe, if we want to support organisations, maybe
1:48:51 > 1:48:56paying our taxes would be the answer. This is got to stop. Also,
1:48:56 > 1:49:00there are serious questions to be asked about David Mellor, the man
1:49:00 > 1:49:03who organised this event. He is the chair of the trustees of this group
1:49:03 > 1:49:08who organised this event, and he is a nonexecutive director for the
1:49:08 > 1:49:13Department of Education. There are serious questions to be asked of the
1:49:13 > 1:49:17Secretary of State of education about whether this man is
1:49:17 > 1:49:19appropriate considering, for example, how high the level of
1:49:19 > 1:49:27sexual harassment in our schools is. You have been given permission via
1:49:27 > 1:49:30text from the speaker and you are going to ask an urgent question in
1:49:30 > 1:49:38the Commons about this.I will ask the new Secretary of State for
1:49:38 > 1:49:42Education about the suitability of David Mellor as a nonexecutive
1:49:42 > 1:49:45director. The right questions to be asked about ministers from the
1:49:45 > 1:49:48Department of Education whom the financial Times have claimed were
1:49:48 > 1:49:55invited to the event. It is Nadhim Zahawi, who has admitted he
1:49:55 > 1:50:00attended.Thank you, both.
1:50:00 > 1:50:02Still to come:
1:50:02 > 1:50:06Ant and Dec are the kings of British tv - after winning best presenters
1:50:06 > 1:50:09for the 17th year in a row.
1:50:09 > 1:50:11That and more from last nights National Tv Awards
1:50:11 > 1:50:14with our entertainment correspondent in a bit.
1:50:14 > 1:50:16In the last hour, the Brexit secretary David Davis has been
1:50:16 > 1:50:19appearing in front of a Commons committee to give more
1:50:19 > 1:50:22evidence on the government's preparations for Brexit.
1:50:22 > 1:50:24Our assistant politcal editor Norman Smith
1:50:24 > 1:50:29is in Westminster to tell us more.
1:50:29 > 1:50:34What has been said?We are, as we know, getting to the real cut and
1:50:34 > 1:50:38thrust of the Brexit talks now about trade. One of the big areas of
1:50:38 > 1:50:43concern is what will happen to the City, because it is such a big part
1:50:43 > 1:50:48of the economy. We heard from the EU side in the last few weeks, Michel
1:50:48 > 1:50:51Barnier saying, you guys cannot expect a special deal when it comes
1:50:51 > 1:50:56to the City. You leave, you leave. There will be no special treatment
1:50:56 > 1:51:00for financial services in London. One idea being kicked around is,
1:51:00 > 1:51:06maybe we could pay for a special deal for access. This morning, David
1:51:06 > 1:51:12Davis put the kibosh on that idea. In his view, there is no question of
1:51:12 > 1:51:19us paying for access to the single market. In fact, he said it would be
1:51:19 > 1:51:23like paying what the old Anglo-Saxons had to pay to ensure
1:51:23 > 1:51:30the Viking raiders did terrorise them. Have a listen to what he said.
1:51:30 > 1:51:33We may well be involved in scientific research issues, for
1:51:33 > 1:51:39example, where we will make a contribution... Is irrational as,
1:51:39 > 1:51:44things like that. Why? Because it is in our interest. But I don't see us
1:51:44 > 1:51:50paying for access. I could turn around to Michel Barnier and say,
1:51:50 > 1:51:56OK, I will pay you the access was not I will pay you £1 for every
1:51:56 > 1:52:00£1000 of business we sell to you as long as you pay me £1 for every
1:52:00 > 1:52:03thousand pounds of business you sell to me. I think I would make money on
1:52:03 > 1:52:07the deal. So, I don't think this will be necessary. And in any event,
1:52:07 > 1:52:14the other events put-mac thing about this is that we are a fantastic
1:52:14 > 1:52:19country with a proud future as well as a proud past. I don't think we
1:52:19 > 1:52:27will be paying.Some banks have previously said, we may have to look
1:52:27 > 1:52:32at relocating some of our staff and services into Europe if they can't
1:52:32 > 1:52:36be any special arrangement. Mr Davies's response seems to be, there
1:52:36 > 1:52:41is no need to panic because European countries need London, need the
1:52:41 > 1:52:45City, so they won't want to damage it. Another interesting thing in the
1:52:45 > 1:52:49hearing was the hard time Mr Davies got from Jacob Rees Mogg over the
1:52:49 > 1:52:53fact that during this transition period, this two-year transition
1:52:53 > 1:52:58period, nothing much will change, including the fact that we will
1:52:58 > 1:53:02continue to take rulings from the European Court of Justice. Jacob
1:53:02 > 1:53:06Rees Mogg said that leaves us like a vassal state. You get a sense that
1:53:06 > 1:53:10there real are tensions on the Tory side about this transition phase and
1:53:10 > 1:53:15cutting loose from the EU.Thank you very much, Norman. More from Norman
1:53:15 > 1:53:20throughout the day.
1:53:20 > 1:53:26Let's talk about And and Dec winning Best TV presenters for the 17th
1:53:26 > 1:53:30time. This was the emotional reaction from the pair onstage.It
1:53:30 > 1:53:34has been a very emotional night to night. It has been quite a year,
1:53:34 > 1:53:41quite a tough 12 months, so winning this means a lot. I would personally
1:53:41 > 1:53:45like to thank all my family, my friends. Some of you are here
1:53:45 > 1:53:49tonight, and I love you. Thank you very much. Thanks to all of you for
1:53:49 > 1:53:54your support. It means the world to me. Thanks to you, little guy. I
1:53:54 > 1:54:04love you. Let's not cry.Very happy for them.
1:54:04 > 1:54:06for them. Our entertainment correspondent, Colin Paterson, was
1:54:06 > 1:54:12there.I have left on my identification from last night.Was
1:54:12 > 1:54:20it amazing?It was. And
1:54:20 > 1:54:22it amazing?It was. And and Dec, talking about the hard year they
1:54:22 > 1:54:29have had. His marriage ending, going to rehab. But the big event of the
1:54:29 > 1:54:33night, Sir David Attenborough winning the impact award for the way
1:54:33 > 1:54:37that Blue Planet has caused politicians to change policy, do you
1:54:37 > 1:54:42do that show. I managed to speak to him afterwards. I don't often get
1:54:42 > 1:54:45starstruck, but I was standing there thinking, that is so David
1:54:45 > 1:54:49Attenborough. We were all amazed when we saw that programme. What was
1:54:49 > 1:54:57your reaction when you first saw the footage from Blue Planet?You see
1:54:57 > 1:55:05shots sometimes as they come in. You see them is not edited, in different
1:55:05 > 1:55:09shapes and forms, and eventually, you see the finished thing. When you
1:55:09 > 1:55:13see the finished thing, you think, I am very privileged to be putting
1:55:13 > 1:55:19words to that.Right, Jodie Whittaker was there. You spoke to
1:55:19 > 1:55:26her about Doctor Who.I wanted to ask about one of the most memorable
1:55:26 > 1:55:30moments in TV last year. Do you remember the men's singles final at
1:55:30 > 1:55:35Wimbledon? At the end, they unveiled Doctor Who. I said, what is that --
1:55:35 > 1:55:41was that like for you?I was nervous, because I knew and no one
1:55:41 > 1:55:47else did. There were a lot of panicked phone calls to my family
1:55:47 > 1:55:52who were about to find out at the same time. My dad found out after,
1:55:52 > 1:55:55when I finally got hold of him at the golf club. I told my brother
1:55:55 > 1:55:59beforehand, really quickly, and then there was a whole thing off, I can't
1:55:59 > 1:56:04believe you didn't tell me. It was overwhelming but brilliant. As soon
1:56:04 > 1:56:10as it happened, because I hadn't seen the reveal. Obviously I was
1:56:10 > 1:56:14there when we shot it. But it was really exciting. The build-up of the
1:56:14 > 1:56:21day, very stressful, but after that, it has been a breeze.Did you watch
1:56:21 > 1:56:26the Wimbledon final like everyone else?I watched bits of it. It is a
1:56:26 > 1:56:33bit of a blur. I think I just did this most of the day. I made sure I
1:56:33 > 1:56:36didn't accidentally tell everyone beforehand.From Doctor Who to
1:56:36 > 1:56:45Doctor Foster. Two awards.Best drama and best drama performance.
1:56:45 > 1:56:50This was the second series, all about a vengeful why. I asked her
1:56:50 > 1:56:55about that.
1:56:56 > 1:57:02about that.I in the plotline, not her.
1:57:02 > 1:57:07her.-- I meant the plotline. She beat Tom Hardy and David Tenant to
1:57:07 > 1:57:12best drama performance, on the same day as the Oscars, which very much a
1:57:12 > 1:57:18male and female categories, he was one that was gender neutral.What
1:57:18 > 1:57:25this stands for is a fair representation of women in society,
1:57:25 > 1:57:30so more roles for women, the type of role that women should be playing,
1:57:30 > 1:57:33interesting women that younger women can see on screen. I think that's
1:57:33 > 1:57:41important. If there is more of that... At the moment, it is a 2-1
1:57:41 > 1:57:45ratio of actors to actresses. If this is a bit fairer, then why not
1:57:45 > 1:57:49keep it all gender neutral?I did have one low moment last night. The
1:57:49 > 1:57:54PR came into the room and said, we have got you Don Johnson, do you
1:57:54 > 1:58:02want to speak to him? And the 22 year beside me, said, who is Don
1:58:02 > 1:58:07Johnson?
1:58:09 > 1:58:15Johnson? Buy did explain those days? Miami coming vice.Thank you very
1:58:15 > 1:58:19much, Colin. This just in from Great Ormond Street Hospital. They have
1:58:19 > 1:58:23said that they will be returning previous donations from the
1:58:23 > 1:58:26President's Club after those allegations of sexual harassment at
1:58:26 > 1:58:29that fundraiser. Thanks for your company today. Back tomorrow at 9am.
1:58:29 > 1:58:32Have a good day.