0:00:07 > 0:00:09Hello.
0:00:09 > 0:00:10It's Monday, it's 9 o'clock,
0:00:10 > 0:00:11I'm Victoria Derbyshire.
0:00:11 > 0:00:12Welcome to the programme.
0:00:12 > 0:00:13Our top story today...
0:00:13 > 0:00:16A 28-year-old man has been charged with three counts of causing death
0:00:16 > 0:00:19by dangerous driving after a car crash which killed three teenagers.
0:00:19 > 0:00:21Also on the programme...
0:00:21 > 0:00:24British farmers tell this programme they're the subject of death threats
0:00:24 > 0:00:32from increasingly militant vegan activists
0:00:38 > 0:00:41I don't take any issue with Keegan 's. What we do care about is when it
0:00:41 > 0:00:52turns militant. When you are being
0:00:59 > 0:01:03called the screams.
0:01:03 > 0:01:05Really keen to hear from you this morning.
0:01:05 > 0:01:09If you work in the farming industry, tell us the effect it has on you.
0:01:09 > 0:01:12If you're an activist, tell us what you're trying to achieve.
0:01:12 > 0:01:14Plus, chronic headaches can be devastating, and very little
0:01:14 > 0:01:15is known about them.
0:01:15 > 0:01:18It feels like someone is taking a knife and stabbing my head
0:01:18 > 0:01:20repeatedly. The pain is so bad that you cannot open your eyes quickly
0:01:20 > 0:01:23cannot move, you cannot speak.
0:01:23 > 0:01:25Now a study is under way at Warwick University
0:01:25 > 0:01:26to try and tackle it.
0:01:26 > 0:01:29We'll speak to those affected.
0:01:35 > 0:01:36Hello.
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0:01:59 > 0:02:01A man has been charged with causing death by dangerous driving
0:02:01 > 0:02:04in connection with a crash which killed three
0:02:04 > 0:02:04teenagers in West London.
0:02:04 > 0:02:07A second man is being questioned after he handed himself
0:02:07 > 0:02:09in after a police appeal.
0:02:09 > 0:02:17First, our correspondent, Ben Ando, reports.
0:02:19 > 0:02:24Candles, flowers, messages from family and friends. For those who
0:02:24 > 0:02:30did not know them but wanted to pay respects. A black Audi mounted the
0:02:30 > 0:02:35pavement near a bus stop, struck then after mounting a pavement. A
0:02:35 > 0:02:42man was caused with dashes of the charge with three counts of causing
0:02:42 > 0:02:45death by dangerous driving. A man wanted by the police handed himself
0:02:45 > 0:02:51in. The victims have been named as Josh Magennis and George Wilkinson,
0:02:51 > 0:02:57both 16, and Harry Lewis Rice, aged 17 among those who paid their
0:02:57 > 0:03:01respects where George's and father. I was not going to stop here but I
0:03:01 > 0:03:07had to in the end.It told me to. How do you feel now you have come
0:03:07 > 0:03:12here?Upset but pleased I have seen them.The man charged will appear in
0:03:12 > 0:03:18court later this morning. As the shock of what happened continues to
0:03:18 > 0:03:21sink in, there are demands that more is done to ensure no other young
0:03:21 > 0:03:24lives are lost here.
0:03:24 > 0:03:26Our correspondent, John McManus, is at the scene
0:03:26 > 0:03:31of the crash in Hayes.
0:03:31 > 0:03:37We can see the many, many tributes to these three young man.Yes, many.
0:03:37 > 0:03:43The community have been out in force. This weekend, literally
0:03:43 > 0:03:46hundreds of floral tributes, personal, heart valve messages for
0:03:46 > 0:03:51people who knew the three boys who died, and the men toes of their
0:03:51 > 0:03:56lives as well. One person left an Xbox game are plenty of pictures of
0:03:56 > 0:04:01them in football kits or mementos of the teams they supported. One
0:04:01 > 0:04:05heartfelt message from a friend of theirs that said, three of the
0:04:05 > 0:04:12loveliest and nicest boys I have ever known both as was reported, one
0:04:12 > 0:04:16of the suspects in this case will appear in Uxbridge Magistrates'
0:04:16 > 0:04:20Court later this morning and at 34-year-old man who handed himself
0:04:20 > 0:04:25in to a police station in North London last night has been arrested
0:04:25 > 0:04:29and is also being questioned over what happened on Friday night when
0:04:29 > 0:04:34the Audi mounted the pavement here in Hayes and struck those three boys
0:04:34 > 0:04:37fatally.
0:04:37 > 0:04:39Ben is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary
0:04:39 > 0:04:40of the rest of the day's news.
0:04:40 > 0:04:42A new law targeting online grooming has uncovered
0:04:42 > 0:04:45what a leading children's charity has described as the
0:04:45 > 0:04:48"staggering" extent of abuse in England and Wales.
0:04:48 > 0:04:51The NSPCC says more than 1300 cases of people sending a sexual
0:04:51 > 0:04:55message to a child were recorded in the first six months of it
0:04:55 > 0:05:00being made a criminal offence.
0:05:00 > 0:05:04Graeme Satchell reports.
0:05:04 > 0:05:06Lauren was just ten when she started going online.
0:05:06 > 0:05:09She made a friend in a chatroom who sent her sexual messages,
0:05:09 > 0:05:12and eventually persuaded her to meet.
0:05:12 > 0:05:18We have changed Lauren's name and voice to protect her identity.
0:05:18 > 0:05:21The physical, sexual abuse has been extremely traumatic.
0:05:21 > 0:05:27I have flashbacks, and have to have medication to control those.
0:05:27 > 0:05:31When I was about 12, he wanted to meet up with me in person.
0:05:31 > 0:05:34He had all the power, completely.
0:05:34 > 0:05:36He had totally manipulated me to believe that I was doing
0:05:36 > 0:05:39something wrong here, and it would be me who would
0:05:39 > 0:05:41be punished for this.
0:05:41 > 0:05:44I was absolutely terrified.
0:05:44 > 0:05:46Lauren's abuser, a man in his 30s, was never prosecuted.
0:05:46 > 0:05:49Police weren't able at that time to use the messages
0:05:49 > 0:05:51he had sent as evidence, but since April last year,
0:05:51 > 0:05:56it has been illegal to send sexual messages to a child.
0:05:56 > 0:05:59In the first six months of the new law, more than 1,300
0:05:59 > 0:06:01offences have been recorded in England and Wales, the youngest
0:06:01 > 0:06:04victim a girl of just seven.
0:06:04 > 0:06:07And, in almost two thirds of cases, groomers used just three
0:06:07 > 0:06:12social media sites - Facebook, Instagram and Snapchat.
0:06:12 > 0:06:15There is a role for Government to make sure that social
0:06:15 > 0:06:18network firms do act, because we've seen in the last
0:06:18 > 0:06:21decade social networking firms being able to mark their own homework,
0:06:21 > 0:06:27as far as keeping children safe.
0:06:27 > 0:06:30So they need to take these issues more seriously.
0:06:30 > 0:06:33The NSPCC wants Government to force social media sites to introduce
0:06:33 > 0:06:36a new grooming algorithm.
0:06:36 > 0:06:38It would look for certain words and friending activity,
0:06:38 > 0:06:41and then send an alert to both the child and the police.
0:06:41 > 0:06:43It would, they say, prevent more serious abuse,
0:06:43 > 0:06:47rather than waiting until harm has been done.
0:06:47 > 0:06:49But police say monitoring the internet is expensive
0:06:49 > 0:06:50and time-consuming, and they are already
0:06:50 > 0:06:55struggling to cope.
0:06:55 > 0:06:58I know from my own force that there are some kinds of programmes,
0:06:58 > 0:07:02not necessarily about children, but about particular kinds
0:07:02 > 0:07:06of online sexual behaviour, that they can only realistically
0:07:06 > 0:07:09switch on for a relatively short time, because otherwise
0:07:09 > 0:07:14they would be totally overwhelmed with the response to them.
0:07:14 > 0:07:18And that is wholly unsatisfactory.
0:07:18 > 0:07:21The Home Office told us it has provided £20 million to help
0:07:21 > 0:07:23the police operate online, and the technology companies have
0:07:23 > 0:07:25to take all steps possible to prevent their platforms
0:07:25 > 0:07:28being used to exploit children.
0:07:28 > 0:07:30Facebook say they are working with the police,
0:07:30 > 0:07:35and are using technology to identify grooming behaviour.
0:07:35 > 0:07:37But survivors like Lauren want more action, to stop online grooming
0:07:37 > 0:07:45becoming abuse in the real world.
0:07:50 > 0:07:54The Culture Secretary said this morning he is prepared to legislate
0:07:54 > 0:07:59against social media companies to help crack down on online grooming.
0:07:59 > 0:08:02We are consulting at the moment on an intranet safety strategy which is
0:08:02 > 0:08:08all about making the UK the safest place in the world to go online. We
0:08:08 > 0:08:13will consider absolutely what the NSPCC has said. I have seen their
0:08:13 > 0:08:16proposals and we are thinking about them carefully.
0:08:16 > 0:08:18The pension fund deficit of the collapsed
0:08:18 > 0:08:20construction giant, Carillion, could be almost a billion
0:08:20 > 0:08:22pounds, according to MPs, which is far higher
0:08:22 > 0:08:23than first thought.
0:08:23 > 0:08:25The Commons Work and Pensions Committee has accused the firm
0:08:25 > 0:08:29of attempting to "wriggle out" of its obligations to its pensioners
0:08:29 > 0:08:34while it was paying dividends and high salaries to executives.
0:08:34 > 0:08:36Three years after it was placed into special
0:08:36 > 0:08:39measures, Rotherham Children and Young People's Services has been
0:08:39 > 0:08:42told it is no longer failing.
0:08:42 > 0:08:45In 2014, a Public Inquiry revealed that at least 1400 girls
0:08:45 > 0:08:47had been sexually exploited by gangs of men over a period
0:08:47 > 0:08:51of 15 years, and the Government took direct
0:08:51 > 0:08:53control of the council.
0:08:53 > 0:08:56The regulator, Ofsted, has now rated the service as good,
0:08:56 > 0:09:02but inspectors say some aspects still require improvement.
0:09:02 > 0:09:05Theresa May will chair a meeting of the Cabinet's Brexit Committee
0:09:05 > 0:09:10later, as pressure grows over her future.
0:09:10 > 0:09:11This weekend she's faced further criticism
0:09:11 > 0:09:13from Conservative MPs, with some accusing the Government
0:09:13 > 0:09:18of having no sense of direction.
0:09:18 > 0:09:21It comes as Ministers from the rest of the European Union meet
0:09:21 > 0:09:23in Brussels this afternoon to discuss the next phase
0:09:23 > 0:09:28of negotiations with Britain.
0:09:29 > 0:09:33Mountain rescue teams in the French Alps have recovered the bodies of
0:09:33 > 0:09:39two British tourists who died while skiing off piste. The men, both aged
0:09:39 > 0:09:4225, had been skiing in the south-eastern region of Chamonix. At
0:09:42 > 0:09:46third man thought to be on holiday with the pair raise the alarm after
0:09:46 > 0:09:51they slipped in eyes and bad weather yesterday morning. The Foreign
0:09:51 > 0:09:55Office says it is providing support to their families. Some British
0:09:55 > 0:10:03farmers say they cannot sleep at night and have felt under pressure
0:10:03 > 0:10:08from Vigo activists.
0:10:11 > 0:10:13from Vigo activists. -- vegan activists.
0:10:13 > 0:10:16The daily dash for a sunbed could soon be a thing
0:10:16 > 0:10:18of the past for some British tourists.
0:10:18 > 0:10:20The travel firm, Thomas Cook, is trialling a scheme which offers
0:10:20 > 0:10:22holiday-makers the chance to book a lounger in advance
0:10:22 > 0:10:24for their entire stay.
0:10:24 > 0:10:26But it comes at a price.
0:10:26 > 0:10:27It'll cost around £22.
0:10:27 > 0:10:31Russell Trot has more.
0:10:31 > 0:10:33It's every holiday-maker's dream, heading for some
0:10:33 > 0:10:37winter sun and relaxing on the poolside sun lounger.
0:10:37 > 0:10:40Unless, of course, you've already been beaten to it.
0:10:40 > 0:10:43Ever since the 1970s, when the modern package holiday
0:10:43 > 0:10:47industry really took off, the competition to bag the best
0:10:47 > 0:10:51sunbed has, for some at least, turned even the most self-respecting
0:10:51 > 0:10:55tourist into a stressed sun-seeker.
0:10:55 > 0:10:58Getting up at the crack of dawn in order to reserve that
0:10:58 > 0:11:01all-important prime spot with a carefully placed towel has
0:11:01 > 0:11:07become an all-too-common part of the holiday-maker's experience.
0:11:07 > 0:11:09One travel firm is now allowing customers to book
0:11:09 > 0:11:13their sunbed in advance.
0:11:13 > 0:11:17Thomas Cook customers willing to pay 25 euros, that's £22,
0:11:17 > 0:11:23will be able to book a specific lounger for their entire stay.
0:11:23 > 0:11:26Customers will even get a plan of the pool area and they can then
0:11:26 > 0:11:31reserve the sunbed they prefer, much like booking a cinema seat.
0:11:31 > 0:11:34It means, says the travel firm, the holiday-maker can have a lie-in,
0:11:34 > 0:11:39safe in the knowledge that a lounger with their name on it is all
0:11:39 > 0:11:41pre-booked and paid for.
0:11:41 > 0:11:47Russell Trott, BBC News.
0:11:47 > 0:11:49Bruno Mars and Kendrick Lamar stole the show -
0:11:49 > 0:11:51and most of the awards - at the 2018 Grammy Awards,
0:11:51 > 0:11:53which took place in New York last night.
0:11:53 > 0:11:56During the ceremony victims of the Manchester and Las Vegas
0:11:56 > 0:11:58terror attacks were honoured, while celebrities walked the red
0:11:58 > 0:12:00carpet wearing a white rose to show their support
0:12:00 > 0:12:08for the Times Up Movement.
0:12:09 > 0:12:17Victoria will have much more of this jawing the programme. We are going
0:12:17 > 0:12:23to show you our film in a moment following some "To this. Sarah on
0:12:23 > 0:12:27Facebook says, I don't eat milk or dairy because of the way we
0:12:27 > 0:12:31slaughter animals but it is a matter of choice. If Keegan 's would spend
0:12:31 > 0:12:38half their time looking at animal conditions, things could change a
0:12:38 > 0:12:45lot quicker on the way we slaughter. Sarah on Facebook, such extremism
0:12:45 > 0:12:49turns people off from any benefits or advantages. Your views are very
0:12:49 > 0:12:55welcome, particularly if you work in farming or if you are a vegan or a
0:12:55 > 0:13:01vegan activists.
0:13:01 > 0:13:08Let's get some sport.
0:13:08 > 0:13:12Pep Guardiola's Manchester City, we know how good they are at the
0:13:12 > 0:13:17moment. They are Premier League leaders by a mile. Yesterday they
0:13:17 > 0:13:22reach the fifth round of the FA Cup. The comfortable victory over Cardiff
0:13:22 > 0:13:27City, 2-0 away. Most of the talk after the match was about the
0:13:27 > 0:13:32challenges faced by Pep Guardiola's side. LeRoy Sari may well face a
0:13:32 > 0:13:40spell on the sidelines after a heavy challenge from Joe Bennett. He was
0:13:40 > 0:13:44given a yellow card but he was withdrawn with injury. Not to be
0:13:44 > 0:13:48deterred, Bennett was back with another hefty tackle in the second
0:13:48 > 0:13:53half to get his marching orders late on. That did not impress Pep
0:13:53 > 0:13:58Guardiola one bit for the afterwards he said his players are artists in
0:13:58 > 0:14:03football. All we can do is protect them. He has urged referees to take
0:14:03 > 0:14:07care of all players and said if officials are not to make the right
0:14:07 > 0:14:12decisions were anything could happen out on the pitch. Clearly, PEP is
0:14:12 > 0:14:16not pleased. Let's talk about Roger Federer showing his softer side
0:14:16 > 0:14:22after winning the grand slam.Great scenes in Melbourne yesterday from
0:14:22 > 0:14:26Roger Federer. No end to his brilliance and he hit a landmark
0:14:26 > 0:14:31yesterday becoming the first man to win 20 grand slam singles titles. He
0:14:31 > 0:14:35was clearly emotional. He said, we are used to him having such a calm
0:14:35 > 0:14:40demeanour. He really seems to never break a sweat out on Court would
0:14:40 > 0:14:45yesterday was similar he showed many why he may well be seen as the
0:14:45 > 0:14:50greatest ever tennis player he came past Marin Cilic in five sets. He
0:14:50 > 0:14:55was parading his trophy. Smiling at least today. Afterwards his reaction
0:14:55 > 0:15:00to the headlines. At 36 years old he is the second oldest man to win a
0:15:00 > 0:15:04grand slam he seems to be valuing these wins more and more. He was
0:15:04 > 0:15:08emotional lifting the trophy and said he could barely sleep in the
0:15:08 > 0:15:12build-up to the match. Nerves may have been behind the sets he lost.
0:15:12 > 0:15:16He told us this morning how he felt the morning after the night before.
0:15:16 > 0:15:23A bit confused
0:15:23 > 0:15:26A bit confused it is all over and that I was able to do it and reached
0:15:26 > 0:15:29number 20, number six here. It is just a lot. It is a lot trying to
0:15:29 > 0:15:33take it in. Last year was more straightforward. It was disbelief, I
0:15:33 > 0:15:38could not believe it happened. There I was waking up with a trophy. I
0:15:38 > 0:15:42don't neglect this year it seems more surreal. I cannot believe I
0:15:42 > 0:15:48could defend my title.A bit renaissance for Roger Federer.
0:15:48 > 0:15:52Before I go, Phil Neville will be giving his first press conference
0:15:52 > 0:15:56later as the England women's head coach was that he is sure to face
0:15:56 > 0:16:00some difficult questions, especially after he apologised last week will
0:16:00 > 0:16:06sending sexist tweets in the past.
0:16:06 > 0:16:09Good morning.
0:16:09 > 0:16:11British farmers tell this programme they can't sleep at night
0:16:11 > 0:16:14and feel under attack by some vegan activists who call them rapists
0:16:14 > 0:16:16and issue death threats.
0:16:16 > 0:16:18Concerns over animal welfare and a desire for a healthy lifestyle
0:16:18 > 0:16:26has seen veganism grow in popularity - there are now well over half
0:16:29 > 0:16:30a million vegans compared to 150,000 ten years ago
0:16:30 > 0:16:33with many more committing to go meat and dairy free this
0:16:33 > 0:16:35month for veganuary.
0:16:35 > 0:16:38But some animal rights campaigners believe they can save even more
0:16:38 > 0:16:40animals through vegan activism such as holding regular protests outside
0:16:40 > 0:16:45farms and abbattoirs.
0:16:45 > 0:16:46In most cases it's peaceful and legal
0:16:46 > 0:16:51but farmers say they're also facing regular harassment and abuse.
0:16:51 > 0:16:56Our reporter Amber Haque has spent time with one vegan group
0:16:56 > 0:16:59called the Save Movement, which says it has a non-violent
0:16:59 > 0:17:02approach to campaigning.
0:17:02 > 0:17:05They say their cause is compassion for animals.
0:17:05 > 0:17:08What's going on in there is an injustice.
0:17:08 > 0:17:09Concern about animal welfare and a desire
0:17:09 > 0:17:11for a healthy lifestyle has seen a huge jump
0:17:11 > 0:17:16in the number of us going vegan.
0:17:16 > 0:17:19Which, in turn, has led to a rise in those speaking out about
0:17:19 > 0:17:20animal rights.
0:17:20 > 0:17:22What's going on in there is extreme, what's happening
0:17:22 > 0:17:24to these animals is extreme.
0:17:24 > 0:17:28But when does activism become extremism?
0:17:28 > 0:17:33Standing up against the animal holocaust.
0:17:33 > 0:17:35And what threat is that message causing to Britain's
0:17:35 > 0:17:38farming industry?
0:17:38 > 0:17:40When you're being called murderers and rapists, that is
0:17:40 > 0:17:48overstepping the mark there.
0:17:52 > 0:17:55There's no doubt that veganism is one of
0:17:55 > 0:17:57the fastest-growing lifestyles, the demand for vegan
0:17:57 > 0:17:58and vegetarian food
0:17:58 > 0:18:03increasing by 987% last year in Britain.
0:18:03 > 0:18:08Vegans don't eat or use any animal product or dairy.
0:18:08 > 0:18:10Most have a deep belief we shouldn't kill
0:18:10 > 0:18:11animals at all.
0:18:11 > 0:18:15Close to half of all the UK's vegans are aged 15 to 34, and it's
0:18:15 > 0:18:23a generation that's now taking up the fight for animal rights.
0:18:26 > 0:18:28A new group is The Save Movement.
0:18:28 > 0:18:31There's 42 branches across the UK.
0:18:31 > 0:18:33They say they have a zero tolerance approach
0:18:33 > 0:18:36to animal exploitation.
0:18:36 > 0:18:37They spend weekends waiting outside slaughterhouses,
0:18:37 > 0:18:42stopping trucks of animals before they are killed.
0:18:42 > 0:18:44A lot of dedicated activists standing out in this weather
0:18:44 > 0:18:47to bear witness to animals.
0:18:47 > 0:18:49Obviously what's going on in there is an injustice.
0:18:49 > 0:18:52They want to show you exactly what happened to the animal that
0:18:52 > 0:18:53ends up on your plate.
0:18:53 > 0:18:56The first time I'd ever come, I'd prepared myself mentally
0:18:56 > 0:18:58for seeing pigs on trucks, and what I hadn't prepared myself
0:18:58 > 0:19:02for was the screams.
0:19:02 > 0:19:04The group says that activism isn't violence, and that they have
0:19:04 > 0:19:06a love-based approach.
0:19:06 > 0:19:09Not everyone's like you and don't care about animals.
0:19:09 > 0:19:10I do care about animals.
0:19:10 > 0:19:11You care about animals?
0:19:11 > 0:19:16But you condemn them to a slaughterhouse when you eat them.
0:19:16 > 0:19:19The protest started out peaceful, but it's not long into us filming
0:19:19 > 0:19:21until we see the lengths some of the protesters
0:19:21 > 0:19:24are willing to go to.
0:19:24 > 0:19:27PIGS SQUEALING.
0:19:27 > 0:19:29You hear that?
0:19:29 > 0:19:32A group of us decided to go in the private entrance to see
0:19:32 > 0:19:35if the staff would allow us just to spend a few minutes
0:19:35 > 0:19:38with the pigs.
0:19:38 > 0:19:41You're on private property, get off the...land.
0:19:41 > 0:19:47It got really heated.
0:19:47 > 0:19:54One of the girls was just picked up and flung right at me.
0:19:54 > 0:19:58You could just hear the pigs screaming.
0:19:58 > 0:20:00I said, really, we just want to acknowledge the fact
0:20:00 > 0:20:02that the pigs existed, that they deserve some respect
0:20:02 > 0:20:06at the end of their lives.
0:20:06 > 0:20:07There's no need to push us.
0:20:07 > 0:20:11The police came in and tried to calm it down.
0:20:11 > 0:20:15This is private property, I respect your right to protest.
0:20:15 > 0:20:19The footage quickly spread across social media within days.
0:20:19 > 0:20:22Whilst the movement has exploded in the past decade,
0:20:22 > 0:20:29the Vegan Society came up with the term veganism in 1944.
0:20:29 > 0:20:32The main dish is made from nuts, whole cereals and soya, which,
0:20:32 > 0:20:34combined, are just as high in protein as meat and
0:20:34 > 0:20:37considerably cheaper.
0:20:37 > 0:20:38They say they don't condone any illegal activity,
0:20:38 > 0:20:42including trespassing on property.
0:20:42 > 0:20:44And activists are up against an industry
0:20:44 > 0:20:45that makes billions.
0:20:45 > 0:20:47Hey, buddy.
0:20:47 > 0:20:48Get back to that line.
0:20:48 > 0:20:52If you get hurt here, I'm responsible.
0:20:52 > 0:20:54Farming and meat organisations have met with counterterrorism police
0:20:54 > 0:20:57in response to the growth of the movement.
0:20:57 > 0:21:00The National Pig Association tells this programme its members can't
0:21:00 > 0:21:02sleep, with activists allegedly turning up at farms
0:21:02 > 0:21:06and slaughterhouses at night.
0:21:06 > 0:21:08They called battling vegan activism one of their main
0:21:08 > 0:21:12challenges for 2018.
0:21:12 > 0:21:15Over a billion farm animals are killed each year
0:21:15 > 0:21:17in UK slaughterhouses, and the UK has one of
0:21:17 > 0:21:22the highest animal welfare standards in the world,
0:21:22 > 0:21:24with the Animal Welfare Act making it an offence to cause unnecessary
0:21:24 > 0:21:26suffering to any animal.
0:21:26 > 0:21:31Yet farmers tell us they're being subjected to intolerable abuse.
0:21:31 > 0:21:34I don't take any issue with vegans, but what we do care
0:21:34 > 0:21:37about is when it turns militant.
0:21:37 > 0:21:41Do you think the industry feels under threat by this?
0:21:41 > 0:21:46People are feeling very threatened.
0:21:46 > 0:21:48When you get people storming the mart or spraying graffiti,
0:21:48 > 0:21:50like has been happening, that's when individuals feel
0:21:50 > 0:21:54threatened, and that's really when it's not OK,
0:21:54 > 0:21:57when you've got people wondering, "Oh, God, I hope my cows
0:21:57 > 0:21:59are going to be safe tonight."
0:21:59 > 0:22:01It is starting to become a bit of a problem now,
0:22:01 > 0:22:05when people are getting phones and cameras shoved in their faces,
0:22:05 > 0:22:07getting interrogated about it when they are just the bloke that
0:22:07 > 0:22:10drove them there.
0:22:10 > 0:22:14How do you feel when you get called a murderer or like you are
0:22:14 > 0:22:16inhumane to your animals?
0:22:16 > 0:22:19I find it degrading, I find it insulting and I frankly
0:22:19 > 0:22:24find it barbaric that somebody would accuse the people that make
0:22:24 > 0:22:28a living off of working the land of mistreating their livestock.
0:22:28 > 0:22:30When you're being called murderers and rapists, that
0:22:30 > 0:22:38is overstepping the mark there, for fairly obvious reasons.
0:22:39 > 0:22:42But then you do get death threats, which is quite ironic coming
0:22:42 > 0:22:44from people who want peace for animals and everything,
0:22:44 > 0:22:47but then they tell you, "Oh, I hope you and your family go
0:22:47 > 0:22:54and die in a hole for what you do."
0:23:00 > 0:23:05Down the death vials.
0:23:05 > 0:23:06Down the death aisles.
0:23:06 > 0:23:13What's going to happen?
0:23:18 > 0:23:21What do you think to those people that say the way you behave
0:23:21 > 0:23:23is almost like an extremist?
0:23:23 > 0:23:24An extremist?
0:23:24 > 0:23:26I would say, as vegans, we want peace, OK?
0:23:26 > 0:23:29The UK is already a country who cares about animals, OK?
0:23:29 > 0:23:31People in this country care about animals, but their actions
0:23:31 > 0:23:32don't reflect that.
0:23:32 > 0:23:36When they buy a chicken breast, that flesh was torn off of an animal
0:23:36 > 0:23:37who didn't want to die.
0:23:37 > 0:23:45Standing up against the animal holocaust.
0:23:48 > 0:23:51You think you're doing God's work in here, or...?
0:23:55 > 0:23:58People who justify killing animals in the name of God I question,
0:23:58 > 0:24:00I say, "Do you think God really wants this?"
0:24:00 > 0:24:03Do you feel like that's your place to question, such a personal and...?
0:24:03 > 0:24:06I'm defending animals, I'm speaking for animals.
0:24:06 > 0:24:08If abolitionists didn't speak up for what happened
0:24:08 > 0:24:12back then with slaves, it would've never been abolished.
0:24:12 > 0:24:14I'm sure it made some slave owners a little bit angry
0:24:14 > 0:24:19to not have their slaves picking their cotton for them.
0:24:19 > 0:24:23We want their job not to involve, directly involve, a victim.
0:24:23 > 0:24:26If everyone ate plants, we'd be growing a lot less plants
0:24:26 > 0:24:34than we have to feed animals too.
0:24:34 > 0:24:36Human beings can voice their suffering, they've
0:24:36 > 0:24:37got a chance to escape.
0:24:37 > 0:24:39Animals have no chance, they are vulnerable.
0:24:39 > 0:24:41I don't think that they can understand or differentiate
0:24:41 > 0:24:47between the fact that different animals have different purposes.
0:24:47 > 0:24:50That is an attack on me and people like me, my family, you know?
0:24:50 > 0:24:53Inherently, dogs and pigs are the same, but we condemn
0:24:53 > 0:24:54pigs to gas chambers.
0:24:54 > 0:24:57Farming isn't ever going to stop, we are always going to be here.
0:24:57 > 0:25:04We have to be, we've got people to feed.
0:25:04 > 0:25:07If you're a vegan activist or a farmer, do get
0:25:07 > 0:25:15in touch this morning.
0:25:15 > 0:25:20I have some messages here. Denise on Facebook says as a vegan and told
0:25:20 > 0:25:24eating meat is a personal choice but what about the choice of the animals
0:25:24 > 0:25:30who might want to live. There is no such thing as humane slaughter if a
0:25:30 > 0:25:36sentient life is taken against their will. This text from Vegan in
0:25:36 > 0:25:46Norfolk says the can in -- the sooner we realise the taste of food
0:25:46 > 0:25:53isn't with a life of another creature, the better. Craig says
0:25:53 > 0:25:56vegans are hypocritical and confused. We will talk more about
0:25:56 > 0:26:09vegan activism later. Next we will talk about Bruno Mars, a big winner
0:26:09 > 0:26:17last night. Many attending wore white roses, but perhaps one of the
0:26:17 > 0:26:20highlights was celebrities reading extracts from the book about Donald
0:26:20 > 0:26:24Trump.The longer it was left on, the darker it got. Impatience
0:26:24 > 0:26:33resulted in Trump's orange blonde hair colour.Trump did not enjoy his
0:26:33 > 0:26:39own inauguration, he started to get angry and hurt that stars were
0:26:39 > 0:26:48determined to embarrass him.He had a long-time fear of being poisoned.
0:26:52 > 0:26:58Our entertainment reporter Chi Chi Izundu is here.
0:26:58 > 0:27:04So the big winners?Bruno Mars a sickly, he got Best album, some of
0:27:04 > 0:27:09the year, record of the year and it was controversial because everyone
0:27:09 > 0:27:13thought Kendrick Lamar, who came out with a more politically focused
0:27:13 > 0:27:19album, would get record of the year or album of the year and he didn't.
0:27:19 > 0:27:24So Bruno Mars walked away with six Grammy awards under his belt and he
0:27:24 > 0:27:29was very proud because he detailed in an acceptance speech that he
0:27:29 > 0:27:32remembers performing age 15 in Hawaii and he didn't think this is
0:27:32 > 0:27:40what his career would be. So Bruno Mars I would have to say is the one
0:27:40 > 0:27:45who swept the boards.There was criticism about women being
0:27:45 > 0:27:49overlooked, wasn't there?Yes, because only 17 out of 86 awards
0:27:49 > 0:27:56went to a woman. Melissa Kara won best new, and she was the only
0:27:56 > 0:28:05female to win the big prize. So there was quite a lot of criticism.
0:28:05 > 0:28:10Lily Allen last week was criticising the Wireless festival for only
0:28:10 > 0:28:14having three female performers over three days so I think there will be
0:28:14 > 0:28:19a lot of focus on what women do or don't do or how they are recognised
0:28:19 > 0:28:24within the entertainment industry more and more.And a lot of
0:28:24 > 0:28:30performers wore a white rose to show they were supporting the Me Too
0:28:30 > 0:28:39campaign and there was a performance from Keisha.
0:28:39 > 0:28:45from Keisha.Yes, heard track she performed detailed the abuse she had
0:28:45 > 0:28:53and she had other stars in the choir like Lady Gaga, and they wore a
0:28:53 > 0:29:00white rose to support the Me Too campaign because they are here to
0:29:00 > 0:29:05show they mean business and will no longer being treated, as it has been
0:29:05 > 0:29:10in the acting world, as pieces of meat.In terms of British award
0:29:10 > 0:29:16winners, obviously Ed Sheeran.Ed Sheeran is taking over the world. He
0:29:16 > 0:29:23got best pop album for his album, Divide. He couldn't attend but he
0:29:23 > 0:29:32did win that, and also won best vocal for Shape Of You. He is loved
0:29:32 > 0:29:36the world over, as you can imagine, and about to get married so happy
0:29:36 > 0:29:46man.Right, Jay-Z didn't win anything.Yes, and that was
0:29:46 > 0:29:52surprising because he was nominated for eight awards. However there was
0:29:52 > 0:29:55a brilliant moment which is sweeping the internet and I don't know if
0:29:55 > 0:30:03people have managed to see it of Jay-Z and Beyonce, and sat between
0:30:03 > 0:30:14them is their daughter, Blue Ivy and she doesn't like the fact they are
0:30:14 > 0:30:18applauding and that's them down so people are saying she runs the
0:30:18 > 0:30:23Carter household and her parents have to pipe down and do what she
0:30:23 > 0:30:28says effectively. We mustn't also forget Jay-Z was in a spat with
0:30:28 > 0:30:34Donald Trump. Jay-Z appeared on a programme and called him a Super
0:30:34 > 0:30:44Bowl for the way he treats minorities. Donald Trump -- called
0:30:44 > 0:30:56him a superbug. Donald Trump has responded. Jay-Z said it is not just
0:30:56 > 0:30:59about employment rates, it is about the way he treats different
0:30:59 > 0:31:05ethnicities.
0:31:07 > 0:31:11Coming up: we are going to be talking to people who have had
0:31:11 > 0:31:15really devastating migraine headaches. We will be looking at
0:31:15 > 0:31:17whether a new self-management programme will improve the
0:31:17 > 0:31:24quality-of-life for people living with those chronic headaches. And,
0:31:24 > 0:31:28should misogyny be considered a hate crime? I former women's minister
0:31:28 > 0:31:35exclusively tells this programme I she is seeking a change to the law.
0:31:35 > 0:31:45-- why she is seeking. Time for the latest news. Good morning. A man has
0:31:45 > 0:31:49been charged with causing death by dangerous driving in connection with
0:31:49 > 0:31:53a crash that killed three teenagers in west London for the second man is
0:31:53 > 0:31:57being questioned after he handed himself in after a police appeal for
0:31:57 > 0:32:01the local people have left hundreds of tributes of flowers and candles
0:32:01 > 0:32:07at the crash scene. A new law targeting online grooming has
0:32:07 > 0:32:11uncovered what a children's charity describes as the staggering extent
0:32:11 > 0:32:16of abuse in England and Wales. The NSPCC says 1300 cases of people
0:32:16 > 0:32:20sending a sexual message to a child were recorded in the first six
0:32:20 > 0:32:24months of it being made a criminal offence was the charity is calling
0:32:24 > 0:32:27for ministers and social media platforms to do more to tackle the
0:32:27 > 0:32:32issue.What we are calling for is for technology already in use today,
0:32:32 > 0:32:38whether to target ads against a particular user or to track
0:32:38 > 0:32:43extremist content. For that to be applied is eminently usable for
0:32:43 > 0:32:46nothing particularly futuristic or challenging for social network
0:32:46 > 0:32:50firms. We think they should act was there as a role for government to
0:32:50 > 0:32:58make sure social network firms to act.The pension fund deficit of
0:32:58 > 0:33:05Carillion could be almost £1 billion. The Commons Work and
0:33:05 > 0:33:10Pensions Committee has accused the firm of trying to regard of
0:33:10 > 0:33:13obligations to pensioners while paying high salaries to executives.
0:33:13 > 0:33:15Three years after it was placed into special
0:33:15 > 0:33:18measures, Rotherham Children and Young People's Services has been
0:33:18 > 0:33:19told it is no longer failing.
0:33:19 > 0:33:22In 2014, a Public Inquiry revealed that at least 1400 girls
0:33:22 > 0:33:24had been sexually exploited by gangs of men over a period
0:33:24 > 0:33:27of 15 years, and the Government took direct
0:33:27 > 0:33:29control of the council.
0:33:29 > 0:33:31The regulator, Ofsted, has now rated the service as good,
0:33:31 > 0:33:39but inspectors say some aspects still require improvement.
0:33:41 > 0:33:44Some British farmers have said they can't sleep at night and feel
0:33:44 > 0:33:45under attack by vegan activists.
0:33:45 > 0:33:47Recently there've been protests outside farms and abbattoirs,
0:33:47 > 0:33:48and covert filming.
0:33:48 > 0:33:50In most cases it's peaceful and legal -
0:33:50 > 0:33:53but some in the agricultural industry say they facing regular
0:33:53 > 0:34:01harassment and abuse.
0:34:01 > 0:34:05That's a summary of the latest BBC News.
0:34:05 > 0:34:10Fran says in 30 years' time we will look back and be appalled at how we
0:34:10 > 0:34:14routinely farmed and slaughtered sentience beings to eat. If you
0:34:14 > 0:34:19choose to eat meat, no how it reaches your plate. Baby in tweets
0:34:19 > 0:34:24this. As a vegan find it hard to emphasise with the farmers claim
0:34:24 > 0:34:27they cannot sleep or if you did not mass slaughter animals he would
0:34:27 > 0:34:32sleep easy. The techniques by protesters are not effective and are
0:34:32 > 0:34:38inflammatory. Thank you for those that do keep them coming in.
0:34:38 > 0:34:42Now for the sport.
0:34:42 > 0:34:45Pep Guardiola has once again called for his players to be protected
0:34:45 > 0:34:55after they reached the fifth round. Vegan scored the first with Raheem
0:34:55 > 0:35:01Sterling scoring a second. City could have a new centre half later.
0:35:01 > 0:35:10The player could travel to England later to move from athletic Bilbao.
0:35:10 > 0:35:15The appointment of Phil Neville is seen as unfair to other coaches. He
0:35:15 > 0:35:20will hold his first press conference in the role later on. After winning
0:35:20 > 0:35:24his 20th grand slam, Roger Federer admitted he overcame sleepless
0:35:24 > 0:35:30nights and a raft of nerves before beating Marin Cilic yesterday. At 36
0:35:30 > 0:35:40he says age will not be a barrier for success in the future.
0:35:40 > 0:35:43It's been a weekend of turmoil for the Conservative government
0:35:43 > 0:35:45with Theresa May under fire from some quarters over
0:35:45 > 0:35:46both her leadership AND about the negotiations
0:35:46 > 0:35:48on Britain leaving the EU.
0:35:48 > 0:35:54So, could she face a leadership challenge?
0:35:54 > 0:35:59Let's talk to normal.
0:35:59 > 0:36:03A lot of pressure from Brexit supporting MPs to deliver Brexit.
0:36:03 > 0:36:09What has changed in the last week also is the Brexiteers, who up to
0:36:09 > 0:36:14now, stuck by Mrs May. She has had to give quite a bit of ground for
0:36:14 > 0:36:19the Wii have had to pay a divorce Bill and have a two year transition
0:36:19 > 0:36:24period where not much will change. There have had to be compromises. By
0:36:24 > 0:36:28and large they think she will deliver Brexit. Now they are
0:36:28 > 0:36:32nervous. These compromises are a prelude to a sell-out. They are
0:36:32 > 0:36:36beginning to think that you know what, wouldn't we be better off with
0:36:36 > 0:36:40someone else who might actually deliver the sort of Brexit we want
0:36:40 > 0:36:48rather than Mrs May, who they fear could be going along the same lines
0:36:48 > 0:36:53as the Chancellor, Phil Hammond, who said in Davos last week that we are
0:36:53 > 0:36:56only going to move very modestly away from the EU? That is what
0:36:56 > 0:37:00changed. The Brexiteers have been her safety net. They have protected
0:37:00 > 0:37:06her. Now they are getting a bit anxious. Are they so anxious that
0:37:06 > 0:37:10they might possibly think we need another leader. We do not know the
0:37:10 > 0:37:14answer yet.
0:37:14 > 0:37:19Justine Greening has been defending the Prime Minister this morning.You
0:37:19 > 0:37:25know when Prime Minister is in trouble. Suddenly get a whole host
0:37:25 > 0:37:29of ministers, former ministers, coming out and saying, come on,
0:37:29 > 0:37:33everyone, let's all behave. Let's have a listen. This Matt Hancock
0:37:33 > 0:37:43this morning.Make sure that the positive message gets out there.OK.
0:37:43 > 0:37:48That was a rather truncated Matt Hancock. I think we have Justine
0:37:48 > 0:37:53Greening. Perhaps you can hear what she had to say.I remain a strong
0:37:53 > 0:37:57backer of the Prime Minister. So, I have been very disappointed to see
0:37:57 > 0:38:02the soundings off. They need to stop and people need to get behind her
0:38:02 > 0:38:07for that she is doing an important job for our country we need to
0:38:07 > 0:38:10support her in that almost impossible task she negotiating
0:38:10 > 0:38:18Brexit.So, some support from Justine Greening. It is not just
0:38:18 > 0:38:21Brexit that is causing uncertainty in turmoil for some it is a sense
0:38:21 > 0:38:27that Mrs May is not doing much. Beyond Brexit. There is a feeling
0:38:27 > 0:38:32that government is drifting. There is a lack of radicalism and the lack
0:38:32 > 0:38:37of decisive leadership. Ahead of that, the critics Mrs May are not
0:38:37 > 0:38:40exactly overflowing with boldness and decisive action themselves.
0:38:40 > 0:38:45Today they have been sitting on their hands. No one so far has dared
0:38:45 > 0:38:50to break ranks and actually move to take on the Prime Minister. As long
0:38:50 > 0:38:57as that continues, Mrs May stays in Downing Street.A senior government
0:38:57 > 0:39:03minister is in the spotlight for comment she made in a what SAP
0:39:03 > 0:39:14group.We are getting an idea of how tense emotions are over Brexit.
0:39:14 > 0:39:19tense emotions are over Brexit. -- WhatsApp. The energy minister hit
0:39:19 > 0:39:25back. She hit back in WhatsApp, describing them as the swivel eyed
0:39:25 > 0:39:30view who are mostly retired, elderly men who did not have mortgages or
0:39:30 > 0:39:34caring commitments. In other words hitting out at the hardline
0:39:34 > 0:39:39Brexiteers. That gives you a sense of how fraught things are now within
0:39:39 > 0:39:48the sort of conservative family over Brexit.Thank you very much. We will
0:39:48 > 0:39:54speak to two Brexit supporting MPs in the next hour of the programme.
0:39:54 > 0:39:56Next, chronic headaches and migraines which are so bad
0:39:56 > 0:39:57they can completely knock you out.
0:39:57 > 0:40:00It's estimated one in 30 of us live with a headache disorder,
0:40:00 > 0:40:03with some people experiencing them 15 times a month.
0:40:03 > 0:40:05They're estimated to cost the UK up to £7 billion a year
0:40:05 > 0:40:08but there's little information about why and how to stop them.
0:40:08 > 0:40:11Now researchers from the University of Warwick have told this programme
0:40:11 > 0:40:14they are working on a study which could help thousands of people
0:40:14 > 0:40:15who experience them.
0:40:15 > 0:40:16Let's talk to Dr Gemma Pearce,
0:40:16 > 0:40:21who gets chronic migraines and has been part of this trial.
0:40:21 > 0:40:23Peter Williams also gets migraines and for years
0:40:23 > 0:40:29lived with excruciating attacks of pain called cluster headaches.
0:40:29 > 0:40:31And lead researcher on this new chronic headaches trial,
0:40:31 > 0:40:37Professor Martin Underwood.
0:40:37 > 0:40:44Welcome all of you. Thank you for coming onto the programme. Gemma, I
0:40:44 > 0:40:48think it is probably worth by starting with exposing how difficult
0:40:48 > 0:40:53it is free to sit in this brightly lit studio.The bright lights for me
0:40:53 > 0:40:58are definitely a potential trigger. I'd brought my sunglasses along just
0:40:58 > 0:41:03in case I needed to wear them for the any time I go into a room, a
0:41:03 > 0:41:07meeting, or a friend's how is, I have to worry about whether it will
0:41:07 > 0:41:12be too hot or too cold, what the lighting will be like. I have to
0:41:12 > 0:41:16worry about my environment and I have to put in a lot of planning. A
0:41:16 > 0:41:20lot of effort involved in doing something social going to work that
0:41:20 > 0:41:25a lot of others do not necessarily have to do. Things last minute are
0:41:25 > 0:41:31difficult for me.
0:41:31 > 0:41:34difficult for me. Also, to change my plans and sometimes I get a migraine
0:41:34 > 0:41:37come on and had to cancel something I have been looking forward to for a
0:41:37 > 0:41:39long time does it can be very difficult.Describe the type of
0:41:39 > 0:41:44headaches you are talking about.I have chronic migraine. With that,
0:41:44 > 0:41:55for me, I get no ger. I get issues with my digestive system. -- I get
0:41:55 > 0:42:01no ger. Sometimes if I get a migraine coming on, I cannot go near
0:42:01 > 0:42:06onions cooking or the smell of smoke. My pain levels intensified,
0:42:06 > 0:42:11so, if you are sitting at a computer, which I do for my job,
0:42:11 > 0:42:17sometimes he would be sitting there. If you normally get the neck pain or
0:42:17 > 0:42:22something, if I have a migraine coming on, that really intensifies.
0:42:22 > 0:42:27It is about finding ways to cope with that. For me, I had a really
0:42:27 > 0:42:32bad flare and I was off work for nine months. I couldn't get out of
0:42:32 > 0:42:38bed. I couldn't lift my head up from my pillow to drink water. I suffered
0:42:38 > 0:42:43really badly from dehydration as a result. It took a lot for me to
0:42:43 > 0:42:48slowly bring it back so that I was able to. I have now been back to
0:42:48 > 0:42:53work for just over a year, thanks to a lot of support from everybody.I
0:42:53 > 0:42:57will ask you in a moment how you cope without really tense,
0:42:57 > 0:43:02excruciating pain I want to bring in Peter. Your own experiences of
0:43:02 > 0:43:06migraines will also tell our audience about this condition called
0:43:06 > 0:43:10cluster headaches I don't think people will necessarily have heard
0:43:10 > 0:43:17about that.It is a term that many of who suffer do not like to use
0:43:17 > 0:43:20because people dismiss cluster headaches as just another headache.
0:43:20 > 0:43:24It is nothing like that. Cluster headaches are reckoned by many in
0:43:24 > 0:43:28the medical profession to be the worst naturally occurring pain that
0:43:28 > 0:43:36human beings suffer. Professor Peter goads B was on telly a month ago. He
0:43:36 > 0:43:40described the pain of a cluster headache as being worse than
0:43:40 > 0:43:44childbirth, worse than being stabbed but worse than breaking a leg and
0:43:44 > 0:43:50worse than being shot. For cluster headache sufferers, we get headaches
0:43:50 > 0:43:57between two and ten times a day for months, and sometimes for years,
0:43:57 > 0:44:01without any break. It is a very debilitating and dreadful condition.
0:44:01 > 0:44:13When I am in a belt, I am episodic rather than chronic. -- a bout. When
0:44:13 > 0:44:17I am in a bout, I'm living in dread of the next four or five hours
0:44:17 > 0:44:21wondering when the next attack will occur and wonder whether I will be
0:44:21 > 0:44:25able to cope with this. It is the cycle of fear and dread that makes
0:44:25 > 0:44:29such a condition to live with. If you are fortunate like me to have
0:44:29 > 0:44:36been properly diagnosed and getting treatment. Many of us do not get
0:44:36 > 0:44:44diagnosed properly. GPs will not prescribe the drugs to help us
0:44:44 > 0:44:48manage the condition.It sounds absolutely awful. Many people will
0:44:48 > 0:44:53have experienced bad headaches but nothing like this. Martin Underwood,
0:44:53 > 0:44:54you
0:44:54 > 0:45:00want to find out more about these headaches.Hence the research trial.
0:45:00 > 0:45:04The study we are doing is looking at how we can help people live better
0:45:04 > 0:45:10with chronic headaches. We are largely talking about migraines and
0:45:10 > 0:45:15chronic tension type headache for people with tension and overuse
0:45:15 > 0:45:19headache. I want to make a couple of comments on cluster headaches for
0:45:19 > 0:45:24that these are really, really awful. Do not underestimate how bad they
0:45:24 > 0:45:28are. One interesting thing we found in the early part of the research we
0:45:28 > 0:45:32did is that of the first 100 people we went to to try and find out what
0:45:32 > 0:45:36types of headaches they had had, to of these people had undiagnosed
0:45:36 > 0:45:43cluster headaches. -- two of these people. There are things that can be
0:45:43 > 0:45:46done to help these people if they get the right diagnosis was that
0:45:46 > 0:45:53they are not the ones we are interested in in our study. We are
0:45:53 > 0:45:57interested in those with chronic headaches, those with headaches
0:45:57 > 0:46:01affecting you 15 days a month for more than three months. A lot of
0:46:01 > 0:46:05these people will be getting headaches every single day. A lot of
0:46:05 > 0:46:10these people don't have a very good diagnosis, they haven't got a good
0:46:10 > 0:46:13diagnosis as to what is causing the headaches and they are not getting
0:46:13 > 0:46:19the best treatment for this.
0:46:21 > 0:46:30What have you found so far?You were part of this trial,
0:46:30 > 0:46:36part of this trial, weren't you, Gemma?Yes, there is nothing
0:46:36 > 0:46:40specifically out there for chronic headache, chronic migraine so for me
0:46:40 > 0:46:44doing something that was specific to migraine and learning about the
0:46:44 > 0:46:48different ways to manage and learning about the different
0:46:48 > 0:46:50treatments available and understanding when you go to the
0:46:50 > 0:46:55doctor what kind of choices you have and how the doctor may or may not
0:46:55 > 0:47:02make their decisions, I found it really useful.Yes, because some
0:47:02 > 0:47:06years ago I did some work developing guidelines to help people manage
0:47:06 > 0:47:13headaches better and what was shocking was how little research
0:47:13 > 0:47:17there was to help us tell people how to manage their headaches better and
0:47:17 > 0:47:22that's why we have developed this research.I will just read some
0:47:22 > 0:47:28messages. "I Have been suffering from migraines for six years now, my
0:47:28 > 0:47:34work keeps disciplining me for having time off". Lydia, "Things
0:47:34 > 0:47:39that helped me get mine under control include reducing painkiller
0:47:39 > 0:47:45used to prevent medication overuse headache"
0:47:45 > 0:47:47used to prevent medication overuse headache". Let's talk about
0:47:47 > 0:47:52mechanisms.
0:47:53 > 0:47:55mechanisms.It's an important point about medication overuse headache
0:47:55 > 0:48:02because one of the things people need to understand is if you get an
0:48:02 > 0:48:06ordinary headache or and occasional migraine, taking painkillers is very
0:48:06 > 0:48:12good and will help you but if you take those too often, for more than
0:48:12 > 0:48:1810-15 days a month, it ends up making your headaches a lot worse.
0:48:18 > 0:48:25So what does help? Let's give people some hope.The first thing to do is
0:48:25 > 0:48:30if you have medication overuse, stop taking the tablets. What will happen
0:48:30 > 0:48:34then is your headache will get worse for a period of up to six weeks,
0:48:34 > 0:48:40then for most people either it is the same or better. The next thing
0:48:40 > 0:48:46you need to do is get a correct diagnosis for your headache. Within
0:48:46 > 0:48:51the programme we are testing, which is a group intervention, people come
0:48:51 > 0:48:55with headaches, come together for a couple of days to go through some
0:48:55 > 0:48:59education work about understanding the causes of headaches, different
0:48:59 > 0:49:07types of headaches, dealing with coping mechanisms and how to manage
0:49:07 > 0:49:12these better.Let's talk about coping mechanisms finally, if we
0:49:12 > 0:49:24make, Gemma.So for me in order to return to work I did have medication
0:49:24 > 0:49:31overuse headache and had to come off all the medications. That was a
0:49:31 > 0:49:36difficult thing to go through, but after that I saw a really good
0:49:36 > 0:49:40neurologist and I'm now having Botox treatments which is for people with
0:49:40 > 0:49:44chronic migraine that don't respond to some of the other preventative
0:49:44 > 0:49:48medications. That was the reason I have been able to return to work
0:49:48 > 0:49:52really, along with some of the other mechanisms such as planning my day
0:49:52 > 0:49:59in a way that means I'm not rushing from one meeting to another. I get
0:49:59 > 0:50:02time to sit back and reflect, not just rushing from one thing to
0:50:02 > 0:50:07another. If I do that at work, I end up going home with a migraine every
0:50:07 > 0:50:13day and that was one of my issues before. For me, a lot of it is well
0:50:13 > 0:50:18is at home I have understanding friends and family, really
0:50:18 > 0:50:22understanding partner and that makes a big difference. You certainly
0:50:22 > 0:50:29realise who your friends are when you are coping with a long-term
0:50:29 > 0:50:34condition.Karl says "I suffer with chronic cluster headaches, up to 16
0:50:34 > 0:50:41times a day. These are so bad I feel like drilling a hole in my head. I
0:50:41 > 0:50:48have been retired on health grounds". Peter, your advice on
0:50:48 > 0:50:57managing cluster headaches?There is a charity called Ouch UK that made a
0:50:57 > 0:51:02big difference for me. I was struggling to manage on a day-to-day
0:51:02 > 0:51:10basis. They have a helpline I found and the guy I spoke to gave me hope.
0:51:10 > 0:51:13Before then I didn't know how I was going to manage this, how I could
0:51:13 > 0:51:19get through the rest of my life with the dread of these attacks, but that
0:51:19 > 0:51:22turned me around, plus the support of my family. There's not much they
0:51:22 > 0:51:26can do, but just their empathy and understanding made a huge
0:51:26 > 0:51:32difference. Now I have these auto injector pens which I can take twice
0:51:32 > 0:51:37daily. There is a limit because of the effect they have on the heart
0:51:37 > 0:51:42but many GPs won't prescribe them to sufferers because the cost is over
0:51:42 > 0:51:50£20 a time. Over a month that is over 1000 pounds. Although the
0:51:50 > 0:51:53recommendations are that people should be prescribed an adequate
0:51:53 > 0:51:58supply, many of us still cannot get enough to manage our condition.
0:51:58 > 0:52:04Without the support of GPs we are in a blind alley with nowhere to go. We
0:52:04 > 0:52:08need their help, their understanding and we need to be prescribed what
0:52:08 > 0:52:19helps us. Please!Thank you, Peter Williams, Dr Gemma Pearce and
0:52:19 > 0:52:22Professor Martin Underwood.
0:52:22 > 0:52:24A notorious loyalist paramilitary commander turned police
0:52:24 > 0:52:27informant is due to be sentenced later for five murders and almost
0:52:27 > 0:52:33200 more terror offences.
0:52:33 > 0:52:36Gary Haggarty was a commander for the UVF, the Ulster Volunteer Force,
0:52:36 > 0:52:39in Belfast in the 1990s.
0:52:39 > 0:52:41The UVF was one of the most active unionist paramilitary groups.
0:52:41 > 0:52:45It was responsible for more than 500 killings during the Troubles.
0:52:45 > 0:52:48For 11 years, Haggarty was leading a secret double life
0:52:48 > 0:52:51as a police informant.
0:52:51 > 0:52:54In June last year, after signing a contentious supergrass deal,
0:52:54 > 0:52:56he pleaded guilty to more than 200 offences, including
0:52:56 > 0:53:03the murders of five men.
0:53:03 > 0:53:06One of his victims, Sean McParland, was shot dead by Haggarty
0:53:06 > 0:53:10while baby-sitting his grandchildren in 1994.
0:53:10 > 0:53:13Three of his victims were shot dead while eating lunch in their car
0:53:13 > 0:53:14in Belfast city centre.
0:53:14 > 0:53:16They were all Catholic workmen.
0:53:16 > 0:53:18Haggarty also admitted five attempted murders,
0:53:18 > 0:53:23including against police officers.
0:53:23 > 0:53:26He was given five life sentences, but this is likely to be reduced
0:53:26 > 0:53:30today because of the evidence he has provided to the authorities.
0:53:30 > 0:53:33However, the vast majority of people named by Haggarty in his police
0:53:33 > 0:53:35interviews won't face prosecution because of a concern about a lack
0:53:35 > 0:53:43of other corroborating evidence.
0:53:45 > 0:53:50Let's talk now to Kieron Fox whose father was murdered by Gary
0:53:50 > 0:53:59Haggarty, and Roderigo Murray who represented 13 of the families of
0:53:59 > 0:54:07his victims.
0:54:07 > 0:54:17his victims. -- Padraig. What are you expecting today?
0:54:17 > 0:54:22you expecting today?Basically not much, to be released and let go
0:54:22 > 0:54:27free, live a new life with a new identity over in England somewhere.
0:54:27 > 0:54:38And how do you feel about that?It is hard to stomach how
0:54:39 > 0:54:40is hard to stomach how he is basically being rewarded for his
0:54:40 > 0:54:46crimes.
0:54:46 > 0:54:52crimes. With the perpetrator of that murder being given a new identity to
0:54:52 > 0:54:59live life as normal as hard to stomach.
0:54:59 > 0:55:05stomach.Mr O'Murray, you have represented the families of victims,
0:55:05 > 0:55:14what are their feelings today?It was discovered there was widespread
0:55:14 > 0:55:21collusion between the UVF and police. There is a sense that
0:55:21 > 0:55:32justice applies to some sections of the community but not others. They
0:55:32 > 0:55:41are far from satisfied today.Some will say if Gary Haggarty was able
0:55:41 > 0:55:46to give information to the police that could lead to the prosecution
0:55:46 > 0:55:53of other hardened criminals, that is worth it.In this case information
0:55:53 > 0:56:05was provided. We are nine years from... Over 1000 interviews of Gary
0:56:05 > 0:56:09Haggarty and yet the prosecution service said they will not be
0:56:09 > 0:56:14prosecuting any police officers and it is highly unlikely that other, as
0:56:14 > 0:56:23you call them, criminals or loyalists will be prosecuted. The
0:56:23 > 0:56:28families will be far from happy with today's's outcome and there is still
0:56:28 > 0:56:35a long road ahead.Kieran Fox, you were 18 when your father was killed.
0:56:35 > 0:56:40He was in the wrong place at the wrong time and just happened to be a
0:56:40 > 0:56:45Catholic man, you have said. How did your family deal with what had
0:56:45 > 0:56:52happened?We are still coping with it, it is something you never get
0:56:52 > 0:56:58over. It is always on the back of your mind. Things he has missed out
0:56:58 > 0:57:05on, christenings, birthdays. You just get used to living that way.
0:57:05 > 0:57:10You don't ever forget, you don't get over things like this but life goes
0:57:10 > 0:57:18on so basically there's no point in dwelling on it. It's fun to -- going
0:57:18 > 0:57:29to change -- not going to change.We are grateful for your time today.
0:57:29 > 0:57:39Thank you for talking to us, Kieran Fox and Padraig O'Muirigh.
0:57:39 > 0:57:47Gary Haggerty is due to be sentenced in the next hour.
0:57:48 > 0:57:49Let's get the latest weather update with Sarah Keith-Lucas.
0:57:49 > 0:57:52Let's get the latest weather update with Sarah Keith-Lucas.
0:57:52 > 0:57:55We have rain through the central slice of the country but brighter
0:57:55 > 0:58:00skies returning in the north so here is the view in county Antrim at the
0:58:00 > 0:58:05moment. Lots of sunshine there. You can see the rain clearing from
0:58:05 > 0:58:09Northern Ireland, pushing across north-west England and north Wales
0:58:09 > 0:58:14where it is heavily at the moment. Our second weather watcher picture
0:58:14 > 0:58:18comes from Lancashire. It is not just wet weather but windy weather
0:58:18 > 0:58:22too in association with this front. It pushes southwards and eastwards
0:58:22 > 0:58:28over the country opening the door to a north westerly airflow so-called
0:58:28 > 0:58:35conditions piling in but sunshine to compensate. This rain slowly pushing
0:58:35 > 0:58:39south across southern parts of England and Wales. The strongest of
0:58:39 > 0:58:44the winds easing away towards the south into the afternoon. This is
0:58:44 > 0:58:48three o'clock, the rain sitting across the Channel Isles, fairly
0:58:48 > 0:58:53light and patchy but brisk winds up towards Kent too. In England and
0:58:53 > 0:58:57Wales return to the sunshine, lots of dry weather although the
0:58:57 > 0:59:05temperatures are only around 8 degrees. For much of northern
0:59:05 > 0:59:09England, Northern Ireland and Scotland, we have the showers piling
0:59:09 > 0:59:13in, falling as snow over the higher ground of Scotland. Into this
0:59:13 > 0:59:16evening and overnight, we will keep the breeze over Scotland but
0:59:16 > 0:59:21elsewhere clear skies with the winds falling light and it will be a much
0:59:21 > 0:59:25colder night than last night. In fact temperatures remaining just
0:59:25 > 0:59:30about above freezing in towns and cities but in the countryside we
0:59:30 > 0:59:38could see minus three degrees. Some frost and fog patches likely, but I
0:59:38 > 0:59:43think a lot of dry, sunny weather, particularly across central and
0:59:43 > 0:59:47eastern parts of England and Wales too. Drizzly rain in the south-west
0:59:47 > 0:59:51of England later in the afternoon and Scotland will see the arrival of
0:59:51 > 0:59:56some heavy rains, combined with melting snow so there could be some
0:59:56 > 1:00:01flooding problems across the west of Scotland. Temperature wise, cooler
1:00:01 > 1:00:07than recent days with most in single figures. On Wednesday the theme
1:00:07 > 1:00:11continues, the colder theme, as this front pushes southwards and
1:00:11 > 1:00:15eastwards. The spell of rain followed by blustery showers on the
1:00:15 > 1:00:21north westerly breeze with temperatures for most around four to
1:00:21 > 1:00:2510 degrees. So things will be colder but we will see the appearance of
1:00:25 > 1:00:30sunshine mixed with some of those showers. You can find a longer range
1:00:30 > 1:00:33forecast on our website.
1:00:33 > 1:00:34Hello.
1:00:34 > 1:00:36It's Monday, it's 10 o'clock.
1:00:36 > 1:00:37I'm Victoria Derbyshire.
1:00:37 > 1:00:38Our top story today...
1:00:38 > 1:00:40A man is due in court in connection with the deaths
1:00:40 > 1:00:45of three teenage boys.
1:00:45 > 1:00:47A 28-year-old man has been charged with three counts of causing death
1:00:47 > 1:00:49by dangerous driving.
1:00:49 > 1:00:52Also on this programme...
1:00:52 > 1:00:59British farmers tell us they are the subject of death threats from
1:00:59 > 1:01:02increasingly militant vegan activists.
1:01:02 > 1:01:04I do not take any issue with vegans.
1:01:04 > 1:01:06What we do care about is when it turns militant.
1:01:06 > 1:01:09When you're being called murderers and rapists, that is
1:01:09 > 1:01:10overstepping the mark.
1:01:10 > 1:01:12The first time I'd ever come, I prepared
1:01:12 > 1:01:13myself mentally for seeing pigs on trucks.
1:01:13 > 1:01:21What I hadn't prepared myself for were the screams.
1:01:22 > 1:01:27We will bring together a farmer and a vegan activists in the studio in
1:01:27 > 1:01:29the next hour.
1:01:29 > 1:01:31A former Women's Minister exclusively tells this programme
1:01:31 > 1:01:34she supports changing the law to prevent people inciting
1:01:34 > 1:01:40violence against women by using misogynistic language.
1:01:41 > 1:01:47We will talk to her in the next hour of the programme.
1:01:47 > 1:01:48Good morning.
1:01:48 > 1:01:55Here's Ben in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.
1:01:55 > 1:02:00Pension fund deficit of Carillion could be almost £1 billion,
1:02:00 > 1:02:04according to MPs, far higher than first thought. The Commons Work and
1:02:04 > 1:02:08Pensions Committee has accused the firm of trying to regard out of its
1:02:08 > 1:02:13obligations to pensioners while paying dividends and high salaries
1:02:13 > 1:02:16to executives. A man has been charged with causing death by
1:02:16 > 1:02:20dangerous driving in connection with a crash that killed three teenagers
1:02:20 > 1:02:24in west London. A second man is being questioned after he handed
1:02:24 > 1:02:28himself in after a police appeal. Local people have left hundreds of
1:02:28 > 1:02:32tributes of flowers and candles at the scene of the crash. Our porter
1:02:32 > 1:02:40is there.Personal, heartfelt messages from people who knew the
1:02:40 > 1:02:46three boys who died and mementos of their lives. Somebody left an Xbox
1:02:46 > 1:02:49game the boys enjoyed playing the plenty pictures of them in football
1:02:49 > 1:02:53kit or mementos of the football team say supportive. One heartfelt
1:02:53 > 1:02:57message that caught my eye from a friend who said, three of the
1:02:57 > 1:03:04loveliest and nicest boys I have ever known.A new law targeting
1:03:04 > 1:03:07online grooming has uncovered what a leading children's charity has
1:03:07 > 1:03:11described as the staggering extent of abuse in England and Wales the
1:03:11 > 1:03:16NSPCC says more than 1300 cases of people sending a sexual message to a
1:03:16 > 1:03:21child were recorded in the first six months of it being made a criminal
1:03:21 > 1:03:24offence. The charity is calling former nesters and social media
1:03:24 > 1:03:30platforms to do more to tackle the issue.What we are calling for is
1:03:30 > 1:03:38technology that is already in use today. Whether that is to target a
1:03:38 > 1:03:43particular user or tackle extremist content. There is nothing that is
1:03:43 > 1:03:46particularly futuristic or challenging for the social network
1:03:46 > 1:03:51firms. We think they should act. There is a role for government to
1:03:51 > 1:03:56make sure social network firms do act.Culture Secretary Matt Hancock
1:03:56 > 1:04:01said he is prepared to legislate against social media companies.We
1:04:01 > 1:04:06are consulting on an internet safety strategy, which is all about making
1:04:06 > 1:04:10the UK the safest place in the world to go online. We will consider
1:04:10 > 1:04:15absolutely what the NSPCC has said. I have seen the proposals and we are
1:04:15 > 1:04:22thinking about them carefully.Three years afterwards placed into special
1:04:22 > 1:04:26measures, rather children's and young people services has been told
1:04:26 > 1:04:32it is no longer failing. A public enquiry revealed at least 1400 girls
1:04:32 > 1:04:35have been sexually exploited by gangs of men over a period of 15
1:04:35 > 1:04:40years for the Government took direct control of the council. Ofsted has
1:04:40 > 1:04:43now rated the service is good but inspectors say some aspects require
1:04:43 > 1:04:48improvement.
1:04:48 > 1:04:51improvement. Some British farmers have said they cannot sleep at night
1:04:51 > 1:04:56and have felt under attack by vegan activists. In most cases it is
1:04:56 > 1:05:00peaceful and legal but some in the industry say they are facing regular
1:05:00 > 1:05:03harassment and abuse.
1:05:03 > 1:05:05Brima Mars and Kendrick Lamar took most
1:05:05 > 1:05:08of the prizes at the 2018 Grammy Awards in New York last night.
1:05:08 > 1:05:11Many celebrities walked the red carpet wearing a white rose
1:05:11 > 1:05:16to show their support for the Times Up Movement.
1:05:16 > 1:05:18During the event, victims of the Manchester and Las Vegas
1:05:18 > 1:05:19terror attacks were honoured.
1:05:19 > 1:05:21That's a summary of the latest BBC News.
1:05:21 > 1:05:27More at 10:30am.
1:05:27 > 1:05:32And thank you for your comments on our film to do with "To be is in
1:05:32 > 1:05:41today. -- vegan activism today. This one from him. I have been a vegan
1:05:41 > 1:05:45since the mid-80s. I had been many marches and demonstrations and I
1:05:45 > 1:05:51have been attacked myself. I detest violence of any kind for top protest
1:05:51 > 1:05:55marches highlighting cruelty and abuse and raising awareness is
1:05:55 > 1:05:59brilliant. When it turns to violence I want no part in a full if we start
1:05:59 > 1:06:04being violent and making death threats that is as bad as the
1:06:04 > 1:06:07perpetrators of violence towards the animals it does not help the cause
1:06:07 > 1:06:13or the animals themselves.
1:06:13 > 1:06:17I do not think we should stop livestock farming. Surely activists
1:06:17 > 1:06:22realise if we did stop livestock farming there would not be fields of
1:06:22 > 1:06:27cows, sheep and pigs. We just need better conditions for the animals.
1:06:27 > 1:06:32This e-mail from Harry. I have no problem with anyone he chooses a
1:06:32 > 1:06:38vegetarian or be given lifestyle as long as they respect my right to eat
1:06:38 > 1:06:46meat. -- vegan. It affects farmers and workers in the food chain and it
1:06:46 > 1:06:56is wholly an acceptable.
1:06:57 > 1:06:59Do get in touch with us throughout the morning.
1:06:59 > 1:07:00Use the hashtag Victoria LIVE.
1:07:00 > 1:07:02And, if you text, you will be charged
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1:07:03 > 1:07:04Here's some sport now.
1:07:04 > 1:07:07Well, it was a weekend of football that again raised
1:07:07 > 1:07:09a number of talking points, with Manchester City boss
1:07:09 > 1:07:11Pep Guardiola once again calling for players to be protected
1:07:11 > 1:07:12from nasty challenges.
1:07:12 > 1:07:14His side were in their familiar dominant form yesterday,
1:07:14 > 1:07:16coming past Championship side Cardiff City.
1:07:16 > 1:07:17A brilliant free-kick
1:07:17 > 1:07:20from Kevin de Bruyne put City in front before a rare headed goal
1:07:20 > 1:07:28from Raheem Sterling made it 2-0.
1:07:30 > 1:07:42Why DL is now possibly without winger Leroy Sane for up to a month.
1:07:42 > 1:07:47They have to do their job. They are there to protect the players. If it
1:07:47 > 1:07:51is dangerous, it is dangerous. That is what it is.
1:07:51 > 1:07:53Phil Neville will make his first public appearance today
1:07:53 > 1:07:55since becoming the head coach of the England women's
1:07:55 > 1:07:56football team.
1:07:56 > 1:07:58A week after his surprise appointment, and the revelations
1:07:58 > 1:08:00of historical sexist tweets by the former Manchester United
1:08:00 > 1:08:03player in which he joked about domestic abuse, among other
1:08:03 > 1:08:11things, Neville has the daunting task of facing the world's media.
1:08:12 > 1:08:15He doesn't have necessarily their credentials or the job requirements
1:08:15 > 1:08:19that were initially put out there. What he does bring something and
1:08:19 > 1:08:24England manager has never brought, which is wealth of international
1:08:24 > 1:08:27experience, a wealth of experience of playing under pressure. Imagine
1:08:27 > 1:08:33at half-time in the dressing room, the girls are 1-0 down in the
1:08:33 > 1:08:38semifinal of a World Cup, he could say, I have had a similar situation
1:08:38 > 1:08:45and this is how I dealt with it and this is the result.You spend years
1:08:45 > 1:08:48honing a CV, paying thousands of pounds to do your badges. When a job
1:08:48 > 1:08:53as advertised you want to know you have a fair chance at that job. To
1:08:53 > 1:08:57have somebody parachuted in the last moment through the old boys network
1:08:57 > 1:09:02is very unfair.Let's hope he's not coaching penalties for that lets
1:09:02 > 1:09:05move to tennis.
1:09:05 > 1:09:08There doesn't seem to be any end to brillance of Roger Federer -
1:09:08 > 1:09:10he hit a landmark yesterday becoming the first man to
1:09:10 > 1:09:1320 Grand Slam singles titles coming past Marin Cilic in five sets.
1:09:13 > 1:09:15It was his emotional reaction afterwards that took
1:09:15 > 1:09:16the headlines really.
1:09:16 > 1:09:18The 36-year-old said he could barely sleep in the build
1:09:18 > 1:09:23up to the match and that nerves played a part in the sets he lost.
1:09:23 > 1:09:26He took the silverware out into Melbourne earlier today
1:09:26 > 1:09:33and reflected on the win.
1:09:33 > 1:09:39A bit confused it is all over and I was able to do it. I reached number
1:09:39 > 1:09:4720, number six here. It is a lot. A lot trying to take it in. Last year
1:09:47 > 1:09:52I felt more straightforward. It was disbelief, I could not believe it
1:09:52 > 1:09:56happened. There I was waking up with the trophy. This year it seems more
1:09:56 > 1:10:03surreal. I cannot believe I was able to defend my title.Fantastic
1:10:03 > 1:10:07achievement from the 36-year-old was he said age is not an issue moving
1:10:07 > 1:10:13forward. More to come from the great Roger Federer. Hallow, good morning.
1:10:13 > 1:10:16Welcome to our programme.
1:10:16 > 1:10:18British farmers tell this programme they can't sleep at night
1:10:18 > 1:10:21and feel under attack by some vegan activists who call them rapists
1:10:21 > 1:10:22and issue death threats.
1:10:22 > 1:10:25Concerns over animal welfare and a desire for a healthy lifestyle
1:10:25 > 1:10:26has seen veganism grow in popularity.
1:10:26 > 1:10:29There are now well over half a million vegans compared to 150,000
1:10:29 > 1:10:31ten years ago, with many more committing to go
1:10:31 > 1:10:34meat and dairy free this month for veganuary.
1:10:34 > 1:10:39But some animal rights campaigners believe they can save even more
1:10:39 > 1:10:41animals through vegan activism such as holding regular protests outside
1:10:41 > 1:10:43farms and abbattoir.
1:10:43 > 1:10:46In most cases, it's peaceful and legal
1:10:46 > 1:10:49but farmers say they're also facing regular harassment and abuse.
1:10:49 > 1:10:53Our reporter, Amber Haque, has spent time with one vegan group
1:10:53 > 1:10:58called the Save Movement, which says it has a non-violent
1:10:58 > 1:10:59approach to campaigning.
1:10:59 > 1:11:03We brought you her full report earlier.
1:11:03 > 1:11:10Here's a short extract.
1:11:10 > 1:11:14There is no doubt the Guinness is one of the fastest-growing
1:11:14 > 1:11:20lifestyles.
1:11:20 > 1:11:25lifestyles. Vegans do not eat or use any animal product or dairy for the
1:11:25 > 1:11:31most ever believe we should not kill animals at all. A new group is the
1:11:31 > 1:11:36Save movement. They spent weeks outside slaughterhouses stopping of
1:11:36 > 1:11:41animals when they are killed. Some protesters took the opportunity to
1:11:41 > 1:11:48take it a step further and trespassing on property.
1:11:48 > 1:11:53trespassing on property.You are on private property. Get off the land.
1:11:53 > 1:12:01It got really heated.
1:12:01 > 1:12:10It got really heated. You could hear the
1:12:10 > 1:12:14the pigs screaming. We wanted to acknowledge the fact they deserved
1:12:14 > 1:12:21respect at the end of their lives. The National pig Association tells
1:12:21 > 1:12:29this programme that battling vegan activism is one of the main
1:12:29 > 1:12:37challenges for 2018.I don't take any issue with vegans, but I care
1:12:37 > 1:12:45when it turns militant. You get people spraying graffiti. That is
1:12:45 > 1:12:49when individuals feel threatened and it is not OK. You do get death
1:12:49 > 1:12:56threats, which is quite ironic.What is going on in there is extreme and
1:12:56 > 1:13:05what is happening with these animals is extreme. The public will be
1:13:05 > 1:13:11helping us stop those trucks and trespassing as well.
1:13:11 > 1:13:16trespassing as well.You can see that online on the BBC News website.
1:13:16 > 1:13:20Do send us your views as well.
1:13:20 > 1:13:23Let's speak to Earthling Ed, a vegan activist and Instagram star,
1:13:23 > 1:13:30Paul Tomkins, a farmer who gets called a 'rapist' hundreds of times
1:13:30 > 1:13:34a week on Twitter by vegans.
1:13:34 > 1:13:36And Dr Jude Capper,
1:13:36 > 1:13:40dairy industry campaigner and a former vegan herself.
1:13:40 > 1:13:41Thank you for
1:13:41 > 1:13:47talking to us. What we saw in the film where peaceful, non-violent
1:13:47 > 1:13:54action by the Save movement. They were not committing any criminal
1:13:54 > 1:14:00offences, where they?They won't. Sadly, this is the sort of language
1:14:00 > 1:14:08that, as a dairy farmer I am being exposed to every day on my farm. I
1:14:08 > 1:14:14milk cows on my farm. The majority of the time. The very nature of
1:14:14 > 1:14:22farming means we are an open, transparent way of life as we had to
1:14:22 > 1:14:28look over a hedge or stone wall to see what we are up to. Also farmers
1:14:28 > 1:14:32are engaged in social media as well. One of the vulnerabilities we have
1:14:32 > 1:14:37as a result of having footpath across our land and crap like I say,
1:14:37 > 1:14:42just the other side of the hedge, means we are vulnerable to this sort
1:14:42 > 1:14:48of activism.
1:14:48 > 1:14:56of activism. I received messages online, calling me a rapist, or
1:14:56 > 1:15:02murderer or torturer. It causes some distress. You can turn off your
1:15:02 > 1:15:08telephone and not look at it. I had colleagues who, and fortunately,
1:15:08 > 1:15:15have been directly targeted I spoke to a farmer the other day who had a
1:15:15 > 1:15:22footpath across his land. The family jumped over the fence. They work
1:15:22 > 1:15:26confronted in a very aggressive manner and accused of doing all
1:15:26 > 1:15:31sorts to his animals. The most distressing part of all is children
1:15:31 > 1:15:36were there as well. I think this is becoming more widespread. I hear
1:15:36 > 1:15:41about it more often. Another farmer was telling me the first they heard
1:15:41 > 1:15:43was the counterterrorism police rang up saying there is a video online
1:15:43 > 1:15:49which you should be aware of. This is taken overnight in a way that is
1:15:49 > 1:15:58there to promote a certain way of life, or a certain way of looking at
1:15:58 > 1:16:02farming. But that's farmer has no right to ask for that video to be
1:16:02 > 1:16:06withdrawn, even though protesters have come onto the farm, filmed it
1:16:06 > 1:16:10overnight. You have to remember these films are where we live as
1:16:10 > 1:16:15well.
1:16:16 > 1:16:19Do you can do the
1:16:19 > 1:16:23Do you can do the things he has described?Though, but it is
1:16:23 > 1:16:32important to remember that I get death threats too. I worry they will
1:16:32 > 1:16:44shoot a calf, because I have upset them. What is important to know is
1:16:44 > 1:16:50respective. And in this situation Paul and myself are the victims of
1:16:50 > 1:16:56the animals are the one who suffer and ultimately die. What we do to
1:16:56 > 1:17:01animals is significantly worse than anything that can be said to us.
1:17:01 > 1:17:04Correct me if I am wrong but you have openly trespassed on properties
1:17:04 > 1:17:13as part of your activism which is breaking civil law. Why don't you
1:17:13 > 1:17:18write to your MP, get a debate going on and try to get the law changed
1:17:18 > 1:17:24using the normal democratic process? If will look at any social justice
1:17:24 > 1:17:31movement in history, laws struggled to catch up with the activism of the
1:17:31 > 1:17:34time. This idea farmers are using fear of trespassed as a distraction,
1:17:34 > 1:17:38they are not scared of the trespassed, they are scared of the
1:17:38 > 1:17:48footage and what it is showing. We are showing the hidden
1:17:48 > 1:17:51are showing the hidden industry which is anything but transparent.
1:17:51 > 1:17:56What happens in slaughterhouses is not transparent, and even on a dairy
1:17:56 > 1:17:59farm, mothers and calves being separated, many people don't know
1:17:59 > 1:18:06that.We are transparent, I enjoy using social media to show people
1:18:06 > 1:18:14exactly what we do. Many farmers also engage in events
1:18:15 > 1:18:18also engage in events such as Open Farm Sunday where we invite people
1:18:18 > 1:18:23to look at what we are doing. I suggest activism is discouraging
1:18:23 > 1:18:27farmers from doing this so although you may ask for an open, transparent
1:18:27 > 1:18:38way of looking at farming, when we provide this we received a
1:18:38 > 1:18:43distressing incidents I have told you about.Do you show them
1:18:43 > 1:18:47artificial insemination, what happens to the calves, the pens they
1:18:47 > 1:18:52are captain when they are not allowed to be nurtured or socialise
1:18:52 > 1:18:59or do you keep that part hidden?I don't think we show everyone the
1:18:59 > 1:19:07full spectrum of farming.You either do or you don't?I like to think we
1:19:07 > 1:19:13do, yes.Do you show the fact the calves sock on people's fingers
1:19:13 > 1:19:21because they want to suckle on their mother?The
1:19:21 > 1:19:26mother?The arguments Ed is portraying some of the things we use
1:19:26 > 1:19:30on the farm every day. What we should be looking at is educating
1:19:30 > 1:19:37everyone, the consumer that enjoys spreading melted butter or delicious
1:19:37 > 1:19:41cheese across their toast exactly how that is produced and that is one
1:19:41 > 1:19:46thing we can both agree on, that what we need to do is show everyone
1:19:46 > 1:19:51how we produce food in our country. I guess what we sometimes forget is
1:19:51 > 1:19:58that we all need a farmer three times a day and 98% of people enjoy
1:19:58 > 1:20:05consuming cheese and butter and yoghurt so let's get out and show
1:20:05 > 1:20:09them how that is properly done and I would encourage anyone to do so by
1:20:09 > 1:20:14the engaging events I have suggested. Farmers are on social
1:20:14 > 1:20:21media these days. When broadband allows. So come and see what's going
1:20:21 > 1:20:28on on your local farm.
1:20:28 > 1:20:31Let me
1:20:31 > 1:20:40bring in June, what is your stance?
1:20:40 > 1:20:50I was a vegan when I was a teenager and I believed the things I was told
1:20:50 > 1:20:53because as a person outside agriculture I didn't understand
1:20:53 > 1:20:58farming. I started talking to farmers, I dated a dairy farmer,
1:20:58 > 1:21:05lived on a dairy farm and found it was a very different picture.
1:21:05 > 1:21:09Certainly over the last 10-15 years going all over the world to dairy
1:21:09 > 1:21:13farms, I can categorically say dairy farmers care for their animals every
1:21:13 > 1:21:18day. What I found difficult was that I had breast cancer 15 years ago now
1:21:18 > 1:21:23and I was told just this morning that because I am celebrating the
1:21:23 > 1:21:30dairy industry through Twitter campaign, they hoped my cancer comes
1:21:30 > 1:21:34back. Claims like this are really difficult to deal with in a culture
1:21:34 > 1:21:41where we should have tolerance, respect and be accepting of people's
1:21:41 > 1:21:45different dietary beliefs and lifestyles.So many getting in touch
1:21:45 > 1:21:55about this. I have comments I will read in the moment but I want to
1:21:55 > 1:22:00bring in Dougie in East Sussex, who used to work on an organic beef farm
1:22:00 > 1:22:10but decided to go vegan five months ago. Hello, Dougie. Why?As you
1:22:10 > 1:22:15mentioned, I worked on an organic beef farm and I was just as
1:22:15 > 1:22:23indoctrinated as everyone else in terms of the humane Slaughter. The
1:22:23 > 1:22:28organic beef farm I used to work on, the animals are really well looked
1:22:28 > 1:22:34after and I would say to people to come down. It is almost like
1:22:34 > 1:22:38paradise for these animals here but then there is a little bit in the
1:22:38 > 1:22:41middle, the slaughterhouse, and people say it is humane Slaughter
1:22:41 > 1:22:51and that is just a marketing ploy basically. Humane and slaughter
1:22:51 > 1:22:55couldn't be further apart.But farmers have to abide by government
1:22:55 > 1:23:01guidelines in how they treat animals. They are slaughtering the
1:23:01 > 1:23:06animals according to those guidelines.I agree, I think
1:23:06 > 1:23:14guidelines are in place but the massive amount of animals being
1:23:14 > 1:23:20killed every single day, you can watch some of the slaughterhouse
1:23:20 > 1:23:23footage and CCTV footage and you will see these guidelines in place
1:23:23 > 1:23:30in terms of stunning the animal, a lot of the time some of these poor
1:23:30 > 1:23:39animals are being
1:23:39 > 1:23:42animals are being stunned but it is not having an effect on them so they
1:23:42 > 1:23:46are still fully conscious when they are having their throats slit.But a
1:23:46 > 1:23:51lot of this footage is online, if people want to see it they can see
1:23:51 > 1:23:56it.But a lot of people don't want to watch it because it is upsetting.
1:23:56 > 1:24:06Then that is their choice.But if you cannot face the reality... It is
1:24:06 > 1:24:13not a necessity to eat animal -based products, it is unnecessary so the
1:24:13 > 1:24:17animals should be given their preference which is to live their
1:24:17 > 1:24:21life without exploitation of them. Lauren on Twitter said we are
1:24:21 > 1:24:31destroying the earth with large plots of land... Lucy says I have
1:24:31 > 1:24:35been mostly vegan since 1995, I support the activists, I used to be
1:24:35 > 1:24:47one. If you cannot kill the animal, but check it yourself, then you
1:24:47 > 1:24:51shouldn't eat it. Sarah says I went vegan about a year ago but I have
1:24:51 > 1:24:58considered it for many years. I saw the militant vegans and was put off.
1:24:58 > 1:25:02I resumed eating meat but no dairy because what was the point of trying
1:25:02 > 1:25:11if I was unable to attain their apparent perfection. What is your
1:25:11 > 1:25:15goal?A world where people understand the exploitation of
1:25:15 > 1:25:20animals has no place in society. We have to ask, our taste preferences
1:25:20 > 1:25:28worth more than the life of an animal? What right do we have to
1:25:28 > 1:25:31take their life from them just because we enjoy the taste of their
1:25:31 > 1:25:37flesh in a sandwich?Farmers are here to produce what the consumer
1:25:37 > 1:25:44wants. We are demand led industry and will continue to provide great,
1:25:44 > 1:25:47nutritious food. I don't want to leave you with the impression
1:25:47 > 1:25:52farmers are standing in their fields quaking in their Wellington boots,
1:25:52 > 1:25:57we have a lot more to worry about like the health and happiness of
1:25:57 > 1:26:01animals and productivity of farms, and the looming challenges of wrecks
1:26:01 > 1:26:07it, not ahead. Everyone has the choice to eat what they choose, I
1:26:07 > 1:26:11respect that choice, but I would go further and ask everyone at this
1:26:11 > 1:26:16time that whatever you decide to eat, to choose to back British
1:26:16 > 1:26:21farming.Thank you for coming on and talking to each other, I
1:26:21 > 1:26:26appreciated, and Jude Capper, thank you.
1:26:26 > 1:26:33Still to come...
1:26:33 > 1:26:35As rumours about Tory rifts and leadership challenges continue,
1:26:35 > 1:26:37we'll ask two senior Conservative MPs what's going on.
1:26:37 > 1:26:39A former Women's Minister has told this programme she supports
1:26:39 > 1:26:44changing the law so that misogyny is counted as a hate crime.
1:26:44 > 1:26:47Jo Swinson, who's the Deputy leader of the Liberal Democrats,
1:26:47 > 1:26:49says she's going to work towards widening the hate crime
1:26:49 > 1:26:52definition so that misogyny - defined as a hatred or prejduice
1:26:52 > 1:26:58towards women - is included.
1:26:58 > 1:27:00There are currently five types of hate crimes legally recognised
1:27:00 > 1:27:01by all police forces.
1:27:01 > 1:27:03They are:
1:27:03 > 1:27:05Disability, gender, race or ethnicity,
1:27:05 > 1:27:13religion, and sexual orientation.
1:27:13 > 1:27:20So should misogyny be added to that list?
1:27:20 > 1:27:23We can speak now to Jo Swinson, Deputy Leader of the Liberal
1:27:23 > 1:27:27Democrats and former Minister for Women and Equalities.
1:27:27 > 1:27:29We can also speak to Paul Giannasi,
1:27:29 > 1:27:37who's from the National Police Chief's Council and oversees hate
1:27:37 > 1:27:42crime, Sam Smethers - Chief Executive of the Fawcett
1:27:42 > 1:27:43Society which campaigns for gender equality
1:27:43 > 1:27:44and women's rights.
1:27:44 > 1:27:47We were also due to speak to a campaigner who was opposed
1:27:47 > 1:27:49to misogyny being part of a hate crime.
1:27:49 > 1:27:56She decided not to join us after all. Hello, everybody. What do you
1:27:56 > 1:28:07want to see changed and why?The five types of hate crime does not
1:28:07 > 1:28:10include misogyny. Hate crime is directed at you because you happen
1:28:10 > 1:28:14to be a woman and there are many crimes exacerbated and directed at
1:28:14 > 1:28:19women just for going about their daily business. For schoolgirls
1:28:19 > 1:28:23walking to school, getting leered out and shouted out, that kind of
1:28:23 > 1:28:26harassment is happening on the everyday basis and we are seeing
1:28:26 > 1:28:32some of that cold out with campaigns like Me Too. What we have all
1:28:32 > 1:28:36experienced it, women working on this programme, women watching at
1:28:36 > 1:28:40home, most women have experienced harassment in their daily life at
1:28:40 > 1:28:45some point and it's about saying this is not acceptable, it is not
1:28:45 > 1:28:49OK. Many of these things might be crimes anyway but do people report
1:28:49 > 1:28:56it? Do they feel they will be treated as silly? There are three
1:28:56 > 1:29:02police forces in England which have started to count hate crimes
1:29:02 > 1:29:05including misogyny, it was started in Nottinghamshire, now North
1:29:05 > 1:29:09Yorkshire, and Avon and Somerset have done so as well. It's time that
1:29:09 > 1:29:14was extended more widely across the board.As you say, many of these are
1:29:14 > 1:29:21crimes anyway so what is the point of defining it as a hate crime?
1:29:21 > 1:29:25There's two main reasons, one is to gather more information. The reason
1:29:25 > 1:29:32Nottinghamshire decided to do this was because they realised there was
1:29:32 > 1:29:35a problem with underreporting. When they launched this initiative a
1:29:35 > 1:29:38couple of years ago it was interesting to see the way the media
1:29:38 > 1:29:43reported it - wolf whistling will be made a crime now. As if it's OK for
1:29:43 > 1:29:49the woman who walks the same way to work every day and gets harassed
1:29:49 > 1:29:56every day, as if that is acceptable. You have that hate crime definition
1:29:56 > 1:30:00which helps the information gathering, also encourages reporting
1:30:00 > 1:30:05and means police can have more intelligence about where this is
1:30:05 > 1:30:09happening, when it increases, what they can do about it, and can have
1:30:09 > 1:30:15an impact on sentencing too. It is also recognised the crimes of
1:30:15 > 1:30:18anti-Semitism, race crime being seen as a hate crime and I think it is
1:30:18 > 1:30:23strange that one of the largest areas where this happens is in the
1:30:23 > 1:30:28way in which women are treated. We know there is a problem with
1:30:28 > 1:30:31violence against women and there is a lack of confidence women have that
1:30:31 > 1:30:37it will be taken seriously.
1:30:38 > 1:30:45Do you think wolf whistling as a hate crime?When someone is being
1:30:45 > 1:30:48intimidated, it is. The Chief Constable of Nottinghamshire stand
1:30:48 > 1:30:54it up well for that there a between someone offering a drink or asking
1:30:54 > 1:31:01if you want some clock will stop if it is not acceptable to say that on
1:31:01 > 1:31:07your show, why is it acceptable to say it to a woman?Let's see what
1:31:07 > 1:31:16you all think. Looking up a woman's Gert. Should that be a hate crime?
1:31:16 > 1:31:23We have reported last week that up skirting should be made illegal. It
1:31:23 > 1:31:28is already a crime in Scotland. We need to extend that across the rest
1:31:28 > 1:31:32of the country. All of these are examples of things women experience
1:31:32 > 1:31:36every day. We had not counted this as a hate crime and that makes no
1:31:36 > 1:31:43sense. When you look at it across the legal system, you realise the
1:31:43 > 1:31:52scale. Violence is endemic.Some say violence against women and girls is
1:31:52 > 1:31:57so serious it detracts from rape and domestic abuse, coercive control.It
1:31:57 > 1:32:03doesn't. All the campaigners in parliament are supporting what we
1:32:03 > 1:32:07are saying. They are backing it up. That is part of the same pitch and
1:32:07 > 1:32:14we have to take it seriously.Let me bring in yourself from the national
1:32:14 > 1:32:18police chief counsel. Are people coming forward to report cases of
1:32:18 > 1:32:25misogyny in Nottingham?Fashion police chief counsel. We consulted
1:32:25 > 1:32:29on whether certain types of misogyny should be included. Some argue that
1:32:29 > 1:32:35all types of domestic violence are included. There was a consultation
1:32:35 > 1:32:39at the time in the sense was there was not the need to include in the
1:32:39 > 1:32:43strategy because the commitment to deal with domestic violence was so
1:32:43 > 1:32:51strong that it was not necessary. I think there has been aide change
1:32:51 > 1:32:57online which is suffered by almost everybody in the public eye. When we
1:32:57 > 1:33:03have seen racial attacks on MPs, we have seen misogyny as an integral
1:33:03 > 1:33:10part of 20,000 offensive messages. We have legislation to cover that.
1:33:10 > 1:33:15Every hate crime is a crime anyway. Hate crime recognises the extra harm
1:33:15 > 1:33:20caused by targeted abuse. The definition shared across the
1:33:20 > 1:33:25criminal justice system has been shared by different governments and
1:33:25 > 1:33:34that is hate crime. We said we would monitor it. Our policy in 2014 as
1:33:34 > 1:33:38the police encouraged police officers to say what hostility
1:33:38 > 1:33:44existed in the area and what fear of crime existed in that area. They
1:33:44 > 1:33:50were encouraged to go ahead and do it if it is listed. They have asked
1:33:50 > 1:33:55us what the next step is to do this nationally, to measure, and to
1:33:55 > 1:33:59address the issues we have seen highlighted. We are going through
1:33:59 > 1:34:03that process of bringing in evidence and taking reports that have been
1:34:03 > 1:34:07done and looking at the evidence given to the home affairs select
1:34:07 > 1:34:11committee.You have not reached a conclusion about whether there
1:34:11 > 1:34:16should be rolled out.My job is to collate evidence. We have a hate
1:34:16 > 1:34:23crime website, a police owned website. Anyone with strong views on
1:34:23 > 1:34:27this, who has constructive views, is more than welcome to get in touch
1:34:27 > 1:34:32and influence that debate. We want the best evidence for police
1:34:32 > 1:34:35officers and opinions of stakeholders to give them an opinion
1:34:35 > 1:34:40to make sure the next step is to bring it on a national footage.Let
1:34:40 > 1:34:48me put this e-mail to you from Alan. Misogyny must be tackled. To be
1:34:48 > 1:34:59taken seriously, miss Andry must be given equal consideration.
1:34:59 > 1:35:02given equal consideration. -- mysandry.My understanding of the
1:35:02 > 1:35:13figures published today is misogyny has been reported that there have
1:35:13 > 1:35:17been no reports of mysandry. If that has been happening, it is totally
1:35:17 > 1:35:22acceptable for that to be recorded. It is important we recognise this
1:35:22 > 1:35:30problem of violence against women, when I speak to men about the
1:35:30 > 1:35:40experience of sexual harassment, the shock that people have expressed
1:35:40 > 1:35:48about the Me Too movement, a man does not tackle all do it in the
1:35:48 > 1:35:54presence of other men were they might be challenged. That is why we
1:35:54 > 1:35:58need to gather the information so that you can show the extent of the
1:35:58 > 1:36:05problem. I think, from what the evidence that exists is, much more
1:36:05 > 1:36:10of a problem of a gendered approach to violence against women that is
1:36:10 > 1:36:15endemic in society.Taking that into account the let's agree with that.
1:36:15 > 1:36:20Let me ask you, Sam and again Jamie says the same thing. Though I agree
1:36:20 > 1:36:23that misogyny should be classed as a hate crime it is important to make
1:36:23 > 1:36:28could also apply for men. It should not be a one-way street because some
1:36:28 > 1:36:34men are also victimised by women.We looked at this in our review. We
1:36:34 > 1:36:38considered it and discussed it. Given the huge power imbalance there
1:36:38 > 1:36:42is in society and the scale of violence against women and girls who
1:36:42 > 1:36:46are not dealing with an equivalent situation.We are saying there is
1:36:46 > 1:36:54not an equivalent but should misandry also be recorded as a hate
1:36:54 > 1:37:00crime?It would need to be part of a consultation for that you are not
1:37:00 > 1:37:07dealing with the same thing. It clearly will happen in small
1:37:07 > 1:37:11minorities of places. We do not see it on the same scale. It focuses on
1:37:11 > 1:37:17the nature of the problem and misogyny is the problem.Sexual
1:37:17 > 1:37:20orientation hate crime would cover heterosexuals being covered by gay
1:37:20 > 1:37:26men. We do not experience it as a problem. The law is applied on a
1:37:26 > 1:37:30human rights the team. This is about all of our rights to be free to live
1:37:30 > 1:37:34lives free from targeted abuse. Sometimes we have to give more for
1:37:34 > 1:37:38people who are more affected by hate crime, more susceptible and more
1:37:38 > 1:37:41targeted. One issue about the consultation should be the issue but
1:37:41 > 1:37:48should be gender or sex or should it be misogyny? Either way, this is
1:37:48 > 1:37:53about human rights. It is about a right for everyone to live their
1:37:53 > 1:38:03life with equal protection.
1:38:05 > 1:38:11Still to come.
1:38:11 > 1:38:13Rotherham Children's Services, once mired in a child
1:38:13 > 1:38:15sexual exploitation scandal, have been given an overall "good"
1:38:15 > 1:38:16rating by government inspectors.
1:38:16 > 1:38:19We'll speak to an abuse victim and the man in charge
1:38:19 > 1:38:20of turning things round.
1:38:20 > 1:38:25Plus - new figures show co-sleeping is a factor
1:38:25 > 1:38:28in the deaths of nearly three infants a week.
1:38:28 > 1:38:36We'll bring you the details.
1:38:37 > 1:38:43A man has been caused in connection with the death of three teenagers in
1:38:43 > 1:38:47London.Local people have left hundreds of tributes of flowers and
1:38:47 > 1:38:52candles at the crash scene.
1:38:52 > 1:38:54A new law targeting online grooming has uncovered
1:38:54 > 1:38:57what a children's charity describes as the "staggering" extent of abuse
1:38:57 > 1:39:00in England and Wales.
1:39:00 > 1:39:02The NSPCC says more than 1300 cases of people
1:39:02 > 1:39:06sending a sexual message to a child were recorded in the first six
1:39:06 > 1:39:07months of it being made a criminal offence.
1:39:07 > 1:39:10The charity wants ministers and social media platforms to do
1:39:10 > 1:39:11more to tackle the crimes.
1:39:11 > 1:39:14Rotherham Children and Young People's Services has been
1:39:14 > 1:39:18told it is no longer failing.
1:39:18 > 1:39:20Four years after a Public Inquiry revealed that
1:39:20 > 1:39:23at least 1400 girls had been sexually exploited by gangs of men
1:39:23 > 1:39:29over a period of fifteen years.
1:39:29 > 1:39:31The regulator, Ofsted, has now rated the service as good,
1:39:31 > 1:39:34but inspectors say some aspects still need improvement.
1:39:34 > 1:39:37Theresa May chairs a meeting of the Cabinet's Brexit Committee
1:39:37 > 1:39:43today, with growing pressure on her leadership.
1:39:43 > 1:39:46This weekend she's faced further criticism from Conservative MPs -
1:39:46 > 1:39:48with some accusing the Government of having no sense of direction.
1:39:48 > 1:39:51Meanwhile ministers from the rest of the EU are meeting
1:39:51 > 1:39:59in Brussels to discuss the next phase of negotiations.
1:39:59 > 1:40:04Some British farmers have said they cannot sleep at night and feel under
1:40:04 > 1:40:06attack by vegan activist was recently there have been protests
1:40:06 > 1:40:13outside farms and abattoirs and covert filming. In most cases it is
1:40:13 > 1:40:16peaceful and legal. Some in the agricultural industry say they face
1:40:16 > 1:40:19regular harassment and abuse.
1:40:19 > 1:40:25That's a summary of the latest BBC News.
1:40:25 > 1:40:28Here is the sport. Pep Guardiola has once again called for his players to
1:40:28 > 1:40:32be protected after they reached the FA Cup fifth round with victory over
1:40:32 > 1:40:43Cardiff yesterday.
1:40:43 > 1:40:46Cardiff yesterday. Kevin Temple Ascored the first and Raheem
1:40:46 > 1:40:53Sterling the second. A Frenchman will travel to England to finalise a
1:40:53 > 1:40:56£57 million move from athletic Bilbao. The chair of women in
1:40:56 > 1:40:59football says the appointment of Phil Neville as new boss of England
1:40:59 > 1:41:03is unfair to other coaches he will hold his first press conference in
1:41:03 > 1:41:08the role made to today. After winning his 20th grand slam, Roger
1:41:08 > 1:41:13Federer admitted he overcame sleepless nights and a raft of
1:41:13 > 1:41:17nerves before beating Marin Cilic. At 36 he says age will not be a
1:41:17 > 1:41:27barrier to more success in the future. That is it. More at 11.
1:41:27 > 1:41:35It has been a weekend of turmoil for the Conservative government.
1:41:35 > 1:41:38with Theresa May under fire from some quarters over
1:41:38 > 1:41:39both her leadership and about the negotiations
1:41:39 > 1:41:40on Britain leaving the EU.
1:41:40 > 1:41:43So with a number of pro-Brexit MPs concerned that the Prime Minister
1:41:43 > 1:41:45is overseeing a "dilution" of Brexit, could a leadership
1:41:45 > 1:41:47challenge be on the cards?
1:41:47 > 1:41:50Let's talk to two Brexit-supporting Conservative MPs.
1:41:50 > 1:41:52Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown is Treasurer of 1922 committee
1:41:52 > 1:41:54of backbench Tory MP's - the committee which would trigger
1:41:54 > 1:41:56any leadership contest - and also a member of
1:41:56 > 1:41:59the Public Accounts Committee which is currently hearing from each
1:41:59 > 1:42:01government department about how they are getting on with
1:42:01 > 1:42:04preparing to leave the EU.
1:42:04 > 1:42:07And senior Conservative MP and former minister John Redwood
1:42:07 > 1:42:09who thinks "enough is enough" and that the Prime Minister should
1:42:09 > 1:42:11take a stronger stance on Brexit negotiations.
1:42:11 > 1:42:17Welcome to both of you. John Redwood, what is the problem as far
1:42:17 > 1:42:21as you are concerned?No problem. I am a strong supporter of Theresa May
1:42:21 > 1:42:27and I want her to do good deal over Britain. We have been pleasant and
1:42:27 > 1:42:31friendly in responding to their agenda and not ours. Now we need to
1:42:31 > 1:42:36say to them, are you serious about the free trade deal and do you want
1:42:36 > 1:42:40a comprehensive partnership question of if so, say yes. Everything has a
1:42:40 > 1:42:45sequence. The Government decided to follow the EU sequence. The EU has
1:42:45 > 1:42:51discussed all the things they wanted to discuss and it is our terms and
1:42:51 > 1:42:54we need to be very fair and say, look, we're very interested in a
1:42:54 > 1:43:00full partnership and we will extend free trade to you without the WTO
1:43:00 > 1:43:03tariffs, if that is what you would like if you are not prepared to sit
1:43:03 > 1:43:09down and sorted out in the next year, we will leave without an
1:43:09 > 1:43:15agreement.Some people want the Chancellor sacked.Do you agree with
1:43:15 > 1:43:20that? I don't think he has been helpful in some of his remarks have
1:43:20 > 1:43:24been provocative to all of those who wish to get on and leave the EU in a
1:43:24 > 1:43:32civilised way. It is up to the Prime Minister to decide who is in the
1:43:32 > 1:43:36Cabinet.Do you see him as a roadblock to the kind of Brexit he
1:43:36 > 1:43:44want?He has been helpful. His comment at Dave Davos was so
1:43:44 > 1:43:49unhelpful. He has to follow government policy. The policy was
1:43:49 > 1:43:54set out in the Lancaster house speech. Me and my colleagues who are
1:43:54 > 1:44:02sympathetic to Brexit want to follow that speech.
1:44:07 > 1:44:12Theresa May's vision has been called Dave.Who said that? I am not sure.
1:44:12 > 1:44:19It is one of your own MPs.-- Dahl. There is a lack of ambition about
1:44:19 > 1:44:23her government which means it constantly disappoints.You
1:44:23 > 1:44:26constantly get this from members of Parliament for the these are from
1:44:26 > 1:44:32people on your own site. I'm sure they are. We have to move to
1:44:32 > 1:44:36producing a vision. If she articulated what life would be like
1:44:36 > 1:44:40once we had left the European Union, if she were tougher with ministers,
1:44:40 > 1:44:46particularly Cabinet ministers, she has collective Cabinet
1:44:46 > 1:44:49responsibility. If they have disagreements, this should be done
1:44:49 > 1:44:55in private and not in public. The problem is, once it is done in
1:44:55 > 1:44:58public it gives backbenchers, the sort of people you are quoting, the
1:44:58 > 1:45:03licence to make these comments themselves. This good snowball.
1:45:03 > 1:45:09Snowballed to what? Making Brexit negotiations difficult and our own
1:45:09 > 1:45:16situation difficult. -- snowball.
1:45:22 > 1:45:28Cabinet ministers weren't challenging government policy.She
1:45:28 > 1:45:34has articulated it at Florence, we have a settled policy, that is the
1:45:34 > 1:45:41polymers -- policy which all ministers should support.The
1:45:41 > 1:45:46problem is she's been Prime Minister for a while now and has not been
1:45:46 > 1:45:50able to articulate that Brexit vision as yet and not been able to
1:45:50 > 1:45:55keep her cabinet in line.I think she needs to get tougher with them.
1:45:55 > 1:45:59We cannot have continual challenge, otherwise the job of government
1:45:59 > 1:46:06eventually, when everybody is talking about contrary policies, is
1:46:06 > 1:46:13impossible. She needs to get a grip. And if she can't?I'm sure she will
1:46:13 > 1:46:19because otherwise things will get difficult.You mean a leadership
1:46:19 > 1:46:24challenge?I don't think that is on the cards at the moment.Various
1:46:24 > 1:46:29newspapers reported last week that your committee has received around
1:46:29 > 1:46:3740 letters expressing no confidence in the Prime Minister.My chairman
1:46:37 > 1:46:43Graham Brady will not disclose to anybody how many letters he has had.
1:46:43 > 1:46:49But he has had some?Any story that purports to know how many letters he
1:46:49 > 1:46:53has had doesn't have any credibility.You know what people
1:46:53 > 1:47:00say to you, what are you hearing? John and I go about talking to a lot
1:47:00 > 1:47:04of our colleagues, I do not get a sense at this moment in time that
1:47:04 > 1:47:08there are large number who want to see a leadership change. A
1:47:08 > 1:47:13leadership challenge at this moment would be destabilising, there's no
1:47:13 > 1:47:18obvious candidate to succeed. In my view Theresa May needs to get a
1:47:18 > 1:47:22grip, get these negotiations done and then we move forward with vision
1:47:22 > 1:47:31after that.And that's the reason there has
1:47:31 > 1:47:33there has been no leadership challenge, -- because there is no
1:47:33 > 1:47:41one candidate people could support. The party at the moment doesn't want
1:47:41 > 1:47:46a leadership contest, as Jeffrey has rightly said, and what you need to
1:47:46 > 1:47:52remind your audience is that yes, it only takes 48 MPs to write a letter
1:47:52 > 1:47:56but then there has to be a vote of all of the Conservative MPs on
1:47:56 > 1:48:02whether we want a leadership election or not. If they did that,
1:48:02 > 1:48:07they would need to know they had another 120 colleagues who would
1:48:07 > 1:48:11back them, otherwise they just make the position worse and look very
1:48:11 > 1:48:17silly.Do you want Mrs May to announce a date when she will stand
1:48:17 > 1:48:24down?No, I want to firm up the British position and I back Theresa
1:48:24 > 1:48:30May. The whole country would breathe a sigh of relief if we got on the
1:48:30 > 1:48:36front foot with these negotiations. We have got a timetable.I agree
1:48:36 > 1:48:40that on the wider issues Theresa May does have a vision and she set it
1:48:40 > 1:48:46out very well in her first major speech when she took on the job.I
1:48:46 > 1:48:52think people need to know what that looks like in practical terms.
1:48:52 > 1:48:55Brexit has dominated parliament, and I would say to my fellow MPs there
1:48:55 > 1:49:01are other things besides Brexit and maybe we need to give airtime to
1:49:01 > 1:49:06other subjects.Do you want Mrs May to announce a date when she will
1:49:06 > 1:49:13stand down?Know, the party will decide that in due course.Do you
1:49:13 > 1:49:19want her to fight the next election? I simply don't think we know at this
1:49:19 > 1:49:27point in time. If we get a fantastic Brexit negotiations she could well
1:49:27 > 1:49:32lead us into the next election. It is largely up to her leadership how
1:49:32 > 1:49:39she achieves all of that.Thank you, both.
1:49:55 > 1:49:58Reporting 2014 revealed 1400 children had been exploited in the
1:49:58 > 1:50:02town over a period of 16 years. Now Ofsted has rated the service as
1:50:02 > 1:50:07good.
1:50:08 > 1:50:10Sammy Woodhouse is a survivor of abuse in Rotherham.
1:50:10 > 1:50:11We've been following her story on this
1:50:11 > 1:50:16programme for some time now.
1:50:16 > 1:50:20First of all, your reaction to the fact that children's services in
1:50:20 > 1:50:27Rotherham are now rated as good?I think it is fantastic. In Rotherham
1:50:27 > 1:50:31we have been through such a journey over the last few years and we have
1:50:31 > 1:50:36heard of the heartache that's been happening, so today to finally hear
1:50:36 > 1:50:41that services are finally getting things right, and when that happens
1:50:41 > 1:50:45it means people's lives are improving and that is exactly what
1:50:45 > 1:50:49we want from those services.But how have you been working with the
1:50:49 > 1:50:55authorities to try to turn things around?I have been doing a bit of
1:50:55 > 1:50:59everything really, sharing my experience, what could have worked
1:50:59 > 1:51:03for me, and trying to do a little bit of everything. I know a lot of
1:51:03 > 1:51:10other people have as well. Of course I don't work for the council so I
1:51:10 > 1:51:12don't get to see everything happening but I have spoken to staff
1:51:12 > 1:51:16and they have said they have seen a big improvement on leadership. I got
1:51:16 > 1:51:23to go to the Rotherham Pride awards which was set up for the children in
1:51:23 > 1:51:29care, praising them for the work they are doing. Just before
1:51:29 > 1:51:35Christmas I spent a few hours with the children in care and the staff
1:51:35 > 1:51:40as well so there's lots of good things happening. We just never
1:51:40 > 1:51:47really hear about those things.You also go into schools to talk to
1:51:47 > 1:51:51pupils about grooming. What do you share with them about your own
1:51:51 > 1:51:55experience?I cannot share too much with the children about what I went
1:51:55 > 1:52:00through because it is important I educate the kids and not terrify
1:52:00 > 1:52:06them. In fact there is actually a campaign going at the moment which I
1:52:06 > 1:52:10support, about going into schools and giving kids the correct
1:52:10 > 1:52:16knowledge, what is grooming, how it can happen, if we have been hurt how
1:52:16 > 1:52:21we can treat each other and who we can talk to. Give kids the tools
1:52:21 > 1:52:28rather than scaring them.And how are you?I'm doing really well at
1:52:28 > 1:52:33the moment. My focus is my kids and my campaign work which is going
1:52:33 > 1:52:40really well, talking to schools, police forces, social services,
1:52:40 > 1:52:49working on policies, different laws. I'm trying to do everything I can.
1:52:49 > 1:52:52Campaigning is something I am so passionate about so when I got the
1:52:52 > 1:52:54news today about this report, I thought this is exactly why I
1:52:54 > 1:52:59campaign and I work like I do. If Ofsted said actually you are still
1:52:59 > 1:53:03not doing things right, I would have been devastated.Thank you for
1:53:03 > 1:53:09coming on the programme.
1:53:11 > 1:53:13Next, some really quite startling figures.
1:53:13 > 1:53:16Nearly three babies die every week in England as a result of sleeping
1:53:16 > 1:53:18in the same beds as their parents.
1:53:18 > 1:53:20That's according to new figures obtained from the Department
1:53:20 > 1:53:27for Education by the Daily Mirror, which show that 665 babies have died
1:53:27 > 1:53:28in the past five years where so-called co-sleeping
1:53:28 > 1:53:30was a factor.
1:53:30 > 1:53:32Young children are at risk of their parents rolling over
1:53:32 > 1:53:38and suffocating them, or from overheating.
1:53:38 > 1:53:41Last year this programme spoke to parents who co-sleep
1:53:41 > 1:53:43with their babies, many of whom are fearful
1:53:43 > 1:53:50about being judged.
1:53:50 > 1:53:56One mum, Dawn Barclay, told us how she lost her baby in 2014.
1:53:56 > 1:54:07It was just a normal morning, and Fearne had slept quite well until
1:54:07 > 1:54:17five o'clock in the morning, had woken up and had a feed.
1:54:17 > 1:54:20woken up and had a feed. And we have both fallen back asleep but we were
1:54:20 > 1:54:28lying on the couch. When I woke up, I obviously discovered she wasn't
1:54:28 > 1:54:36breathing. I remember lifting her up and just running through to Andy and
1:54:36 > 1:54:43screaming that she was gone.
1:54:43 > 1:54:48screaming that she was gone. And... And it was amazing. He started doing
1:54:48 > 1:55:01CPR. I thought he had managed to bring her back. He managed to get
1:55:01 > 1:55:11the colour to come back in her cheeks, so her daddy gave her her
1:55:11 > 1:55:19last breath.
1:55:19 > 1:55:22With me now is Francine Bates, Chief Executive of the Lullaby Trust,
1:55:22 > 1:55:25which promotes awareness of sudden infant death syndrome.
1:55:25 > 1:55:33Hello. The figures obtained, you want but some caveats alongside
1:55:33 > 1:55:36them, don't you?It's important because they want to identify the
1:55:36 > 1:55:41co-sleeping factor and it is true co-sleeping was indicated in all of
1:55:41 > 1:55:46those deaths but there are other factors when you are looking at
1:55:46 > 1:55:51co-sleeping and the key factors in many cases relate to whether the
1:55:51 > 1:55:56parent was a smoker, whether they had had a drink, whether they took
1:55:56 > 1:56:00drugs. Also there are other factors in relation to co-sleeping to do
1:56:00 > 1:56:09with the prematurity of the baby, do they -- the weight of the baby and
1:56:09 > 1:56:13whether the parent was excessively tired.And those figures the
1:56:13 > 1:56:18newspaper got didn't look at whether there were any other risk factors
1:56:18 > 1:56:25involved?Not at all.Let's talk about those risk factors. We are
1:56:25 > 1:56:30talking about an adult lying in a bed or having a baby on the sofa
1:56:30 > 1:56:35with them. If they have smoked, had a drink, on prescription medicine,
1:56:35 > 1:56:43this is relevant.They are what we call risky factors. You mentioned
1:56:43 > 1:56:47sleeping on a sofa. Sleeping on a sofa with a baby is the worst
1:56:47 > 1:56:53possible thing you can do and it has a huge risk factor for sudden infant
1:56:53 > 1:57:00death syndrome.There are many people who co-sleep successfully,
1:57:00 > 1:57:05having not smoked, not had an alcoholic drink, not on prescription
1:57:05 > 1:57:11medicine, the room temperature is right... Is it safe?I would say it
1:57:11 > 1:57:17is mostly safe. We can never say 100% safe. There are sadly very few
1:57:17 > 1:57:22cases where a baby may die of sudden infant death syndrome. We don't know
1:57:22 > 1:57:27why sudden infant death syndrome takes place, we only know the risk
1:57:27 > 1:57:32factors. Even find advice on our website, if you follow that you will
1:57:32 > 1:57:36be pretty sure your baby will be safe but it is imperative you don't
1:57:36 > 1:57:41drink, don't smoke and don't take drugs and co-sleep with your baby
1:57:41 > 1:57:49because the risk factors shoot up. And briefly as far as the Lullaby
1:57:49 > 1:57:54Trust is concerned, where is the safest place for your baby to sleep?
1:57:54 > 1:58:00The safest place to sleep, and this is backed up by evidence, is in a
1:58:00 > 1:58:07court or Moses basket for the first six months of your baby's life.
1:58:07 > 1:58:12Thank you, Francine Bates.
1:58:12 > 1:58:14On the programme tomorrow - we'll look at the impact
1:58:14 > 1:58:18of benefit sanctions.
1:58:18 > 1:58:21Thanks for watching today, we are back tomorrow at nine o'clock, have
1:58:21 > 1:58:26a good day.