01/02/2018

0:00:07 > 0:00:08Hello.

0:00:08 > 0:00:10It's Thursday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

0:00:10 > 0:00:11welcome to the programme.

0:00:11 > 0:00:13Should EU citizens still be allowed to settle

0:00:13 > 0:00:15in Britain during the two year transition period after

0:00:15 > 0:00:19Brexit day next year?

0:00:19 > 0:00:22Theresa May has insisted that they shouldn't have the same

0:00:22 > 0:00:25rights as those already living in the UK - but will

0:00:25 > 0:00:26the EU agree to that?

0:00:26 > 0:00:33Let us know what your view is.

0:00:33 > 0:00:38We have access to a church where more than half the congregation are

0:00:38 > 0:00:42ex-violent gangsters. The police welcome their approach. How do they

0:00:42 > 0:00:47do it?Before I became a gang member, I was stabbed on my way home

0:00:47 > 0:00:50from football. I am basically saying to everybody else that I am proof

0:00:50 > 0:00:56that you can make a change.That film is coming up at 9.15.

0:00:56 > 0:00:58And why are 16-year-olds in the north of England on average

0:00:58 > 0:01:00one GCSE grade behind teenagers in the south?

0:01:00 > 0:01:02That's what a report today shows.

0:01:02 > 0:01:04Here's what the man who used to be Chancellor says.

0:01:04 > 0:01:06The real problem comes actually at secondary school,

0:01:06 > 0:01:08where performance does markedly underperform those of

0:01:08 > 0:01:11kids from very similar backgrounds in the south of England and its

0:01:11 > 0:01:13cities like London, and that's where the real focus

0:01:13 > 0:01:21of the effort needs to go.

0:01:28 > 0:01:29Hello.

0:01:29 > 0:01:34Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning.

0:01:34 > 0:01:42Question - how do you handle being late?

0:01:43 > 0:01:47I am thoroughly ashamed at not being in my place, and therefore, I shall

0:01:47 > 0:01:52be offering my resignation to the Prime Minister.It just seemed so

0:01:52 > 0:01:57disproportionate, offering to quit his job, or maybe not. The Prime

0:01:57 > 0:02:00Minister has refused his resignation. We hope to talk to Lord

0:02:00 > 0:02:05Bates on the programme today. What did you make of what he did?

0:02:05 > 0:02:08Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning -

0:02:08 > 0:02:11use the hashtag #VictoriaLIVE and if you text, you will be charged

0:02:11 > 0:02:13at the standard network rate.

0:02:13 > 0:02:16Theresa May says she will fight EU proposals to give EU rights --

0:02:16 > 0:02:18residency rise to EU citizens who moved to Britain during the

0:02:18 > 0:02:22transition period. The Prime Minister said there should be a

0:02:22 > 0:02:25difference between people who arrive in Britain before March 2019, when

0:02:25 > 0:02:30the UK is due to leave the EU, and those who arrived after that. Norman

0:02:30 > 0:02:34is in Westminster. Why is the Prime Minister picking this issue to have

0:02:34 > 0:02:37a fight on when everything else in the transition period were pretty

0:02:37 > 0:02:43much look and feel like Britain is still in the EU?Because, I suppose,

0:02:43 > 0:02:46it is for many people are the key issue in the whole Brexit saga. What

0:02:46 > 0:02:51was the issue which came up again and again in the referendum? Very

0:02:51 > 0:02:55often, it tended to be immigration. So for many people, it is

0:02:55 > 0:03:00fundamental that if we are leaving the EU, then the current freedom of

0:03:00 > 0:03:05movement rules cannot just carry on. Life can't continue as before. But

0:03:05 > 0:03:13the EU say, this transition period is pretty much a standstill moment.

0:03:13 > 0:03:16Nothing is going to change, and that applies to freedom of movement. So

0:03:16 > 0:03:20as they say, during that transition period, EU citizens will still have

0:03:20 > 0:03:24the right to come here. More than that, there will have the right to

0:03:24 > 0:03:28bring their relatives. They will have the right to education,

0:03:28 > 0:03:33benefits and all the rights they currently have. Mrs May is saying

0:03:33 > 0:03:37that is unacceptable. British voters just will not understand that. So we

0:03:37 > 0:03:43are heading for a major clash over what I suppose was perhaps the

0:03:43 > 0:03:47central issue of the whole Brexit campaign. And bear in mind that Mrs

0:03:47 > 0:03:52May is under huge pressure from many in her own party, particularly the

0:03:52 > 0:03:56Brexiteers, who take the view that she has already caved in to much.

0:03:56 > 0:04:02They are unhappy that she has agreed a sizeable divorce bill of up to £39

0:04:02 > 0:04:05billion. They are not happy that there is even a transition period,

0:04:05 > 0:04:10so she is under pressure not to give more ground. And it seems she has

0:04:10 > 0:04:18chosen to make a stand on this issue of freedom of movement. What it

0:04:18 > 0:04:21suggests is that getting agreement on this transition period is going

0:04:21 > 0:04:27to be tougher than any of us thought. The calculation was that

0:04:27 > 0:04:31they want a transition period, so we should be able to agree it quickly.

0:04:31 > 0:04:36If there is going to be a major showdown over freedom of movement,

0:04:36 > 0:04:39that may be quite optimistic and we could be in for a rough ride if we

0:04:39 > 0:04:44are to get a deal on transition.But how will fight like this go down

0:04:44 > 0:04:48with people in her party and the wider electorate?Depends how it

0:04:48 > 0:04:55pans out. If she emerges victorious, fine. If, however, we end up with a

0:04:55 > 0:05:01slightly soggy compromise, then it could be difficult. Bear in mind

0:05:01 > 0:05:06that when Mrs May sits down at the negotiating table, a lot of people

0:05:06 > 0:05:13would say actually, the EU have the whip hand, because whereas the EU to

0:05:13 > 0:05:16date have been remarkably united and they agreed their proposals for this

0:05:16 > 0:05:22transition period in two minutes flat. So they are pretty united,

0:05:22 > 0:05:29whereas on our side, we know there are huge divisions in government.

0:05:29 > 0:05:35There is a lack of clarity about what we are trying to achieve. And

0:05:35 > 0:05:38as they know, there is pressure on Mrs May. So the EU negotiators may

0:05:38 > 0:05:43well think they can play hardball and push Mrs May pretty hard on

0:05:43 > 0:05:46this.

0:05:46 > 0:05:48Annita is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

0:05:48 > 0:05:52of the rest of the day's news.

0:05:52 > 0:05:54As we've heard, Theresa May is in China, and she's currently

0:05:54 > 0:05:56holding talks with the country's president Xi Jinping.

0:05:56 > 0:05:58Let's go live to Beijing and our correspondent

0:05:58 > 0:06:05there, Stephen McDonell.

0:06:05 > 0:06:12Tell us more about what the agenda is for these talks.I am standing

0:06:12 > 0:06:15outside the great hall of the people, China's parliament. The

0:06:15 > 0:06:19Prime Minister's motorcade has just raced through the street behind me

0:06:19 > 0:06:27on her way to her meeting with residents see jumping. -- President

0:06:27 > 0:06:32Xi. She is focusing on trade talks. She is meeting one of the two most

0:06:32 > 0:06:38powerful people in the world, Xi Jinping, with hundreds of billions

0:06:38 > 0:06:42of dollars of trade talks on offer. And yet discussions are still being

0:06:42 > 0:06:47dominated by the talk of Brexit and the rights of EU citizens in this

0:06:47 > 0:06:52window period. When she meets with Xi Jinping today, it is also

0:06:52 > 0:06:57possible that they will be discussing moves that the European

0:06:57 > 0:07:02Security Council to get tougher on North Korea. There have also been

0:07:02 > 0:07:08talks for her to raise questions about Hong Kong, the former richest

0:07:08 > 0:07:14colony and the fact that people are seeing their freedoms disappearing.

0:07:14 > 0:07:19But all of this is ironically being swamped by Brexit, and I think

0:07:19 > 0:07:22people are seeing this as a distraction when there are important

0:07:22 > 0:07:28economic matters to be discussed on this trip.

0:07:30 > 0:07:33The disgraced USA Gymnastics doctor Larry Nassar abused more than 265

0:07:33 > 0:07:36young athletes in his care - a judge has told a Michigan court.

0:07:36 > 0:07:39Last week Nassar was sentenced to 175 years after pleading guilty

0:07:39 > 0:07:41to sexual abuse charges and is facing a third

0:07:41 > 0:07:49and final sentencing hearing.

0:07:49 > 0:07:51Bill Hayton reports.

0:07:51 > 0:07:53Another day in court for Larry Nassar, the former

0:07:53 > 0:07:58gymnastics coach exposed as a prolific paedophile.

0:07:58 > 0:08:01Now, time for some of his victims to break their years of silence.

0:08:01 > 0:08:04I lost all motivation as I was overwhelmed with the truth

0:08:04 > 0:08:06of your abuse, but that ends today.

0:08:06 > 0:08:14You are the most vile, disgusting creature I have ever met.

0:08:14 > 0:08:17Scum of the Earth is too high of a title for you.

0:08:17 > 0:08:20I hope you realise that you will never have any power over

0:08:20 > 0:08:22anybody for the rest of your life.

0:08:22 > 0:08:24Nassar gave medical treatment to hundreds of young girls.

0:08:24 > 0:08:29There are now more than 265 victims.

0:08:29 > 0:08:31He's already been sentenced to 175 years in jail.

0:08:31 > 0:08:35But first, he must sit and listen to the agony his actions caused.

0:08:35 > 0:08:38It is imperative that we as a society do not view this

0:08:38 > 0:08:39as an isolated incident.

0:08:39 > 0:08:45He was prolific because surrounding authorities allowed him to be,

0:08:45 > 0:08:46because the gymnastics world allowed him to be.

0:08:46 > 0:08:51Because, still, women are not perceived to be credible.

0:08:51 > 0:08:54Many are now suing Nassar for damages and USA Gymnastics

0:08:54 > 0:08:56and other institutions that they accuse of ignoring

0:08:56 > 0:08:58their earlier allegations, which they say allowed Larry Nassar

0:08:58 > 0:09:01to continue to abuse young girls for more than 20 years.

0:09:01 > 0:09:08Bill Hayton, BBC News.

0:09:11 > 0:09:13The proportion of people having strokes in their

0:09:13 > 0:09:16forties and fifties has risen sharply over the last decade.

0:09:16 > 0:09:19That's according to figures from Public Health England,

0:09:19 > 0:09:21which show 20% of stroke cases now occur in those aged

0:09:21 > 0:09:26between 40 and 59.

0:09:26 > 0:09:28Obesity, diabetes and seven tree lifestyles are thought to be factors

0:09:28 > 0:09:34behind the rise.

0:09:36 > 0:09:40The former Chancellor George Osborne says more must be done to tackle

0:09:40 > 0:09:42disparities in education between children in the north and south of

0:09:42 > 0:09:46England. Children in the north are one GCSE grade behind those in the

0:09:46 > 0:09:49south. One quarter of secondary schools in the north are judged to

0:09:49 > 0:09:56be inadequate or in need of improvement by Ofsted.

0:09:56 > 0:09:58The Liberal Democrats have claimed that a key government target

0:09:58 > 0:10:00for treating people with severe mental health conditions

0:10:00 > 0:10:01in England isn't being met.

0:10:01 > 0:10:03The party says it's gathered evidence which shows

0:10:03 > 0:10:04people experiencing

0:10:04 > 0:10:07a first episode of psychosis aren't getting a quality care package.

0:10:07 > 0:10:09NHS England says more than three-quarters of patients

0:10:09 > 0:10:11are seen within two weeks - and that the research shows

0:10:11 > 0:10:14a partial and "dated" picture of the services provided.

0:10:14 > 0:10:22This would never be tolerated in cancer or any other physical

0:10:36 > 0:10:39healthcare, yet it happens routinely in mental health care.

0:10:39 > 0:10:41We have the evidence of what you need to do

0:10:41 > 0:10:42to have an impact, and yet

0:10:42 > 0:10:44across the country, it's not being funded.

0:10:44 > 0:10:50Facebook says its users are spending less time on the site. Users are

0:10:50 > 0:10:54spending one minute and a half less on the day. They made a change

0:10:54 > 0:10:57designed to prioritise posts from friends and family while reducing

0:10:57 > 0:10:59the prominence of content from businesses, media and other

0:10:59 > 0:10:59companies.

0:10:59 > 0:11:07Hate crime against Jewish people in the UK is at a record.

0:11:08 > 0:11:11A new report says the Jewish community was targeted at

0:11:11 > 0:11:16a rate of nearly four times a day last year.

0:11:16 > 0:11:19Online abuse is said to have fallen, but there has been a

0:11:19 > 0:11:26spike in reports of violent assault.

0:11:26 > 0:11:29MPs have voted to move out of the Palace of Westminster,

0:11:29 > 0:11:31while billions of pounds of essential renovation

0:11:31 > 0:11:32work is carried out.

0:11:32 > 0:11:34The move will now need to be given the final go-ahead

0:11:34 > 0:11:35by the House of Lords.

0:11:35 > 0:11:39It would be the first time MPs have moved out of the Commons

0:11:39 > 0:11:41since it was damaged by a bomb in the Second World War.

0:11:41 > 0:11:44Britain's biggest stars are expected to wear black on the red carpet

0:11:44 > 0:11:47at this month's Bafta Film awards, in support of victims of sexual

0:11:47 > 0:11:48harassment and assault.

0:11:48 > 0:11:49Last month, many actors followed

0:11:49 > 0:11:52an all-black dress code at the Golden Globe Awards

0:11:52 > 0:11:54in support of the Time's Up initiative, which was launched

0:11:54 > 0:11:56in the wake of the Harvey Weinstein scandal.

0:11:56 > 0:11:59A letter has circulated around the British film and TV industry,

0:11:59 > 0:12:01inviting those attending the Baftas to take part.

0:12:01 > 0:12:09That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30.

0:12:10 > 0:12:14At 9.15, we will bring you our film, from gangs to God. Here are some of

0:12:14 > 0:12:18your message is already on this. Sarah says, this is great for them,

0:12:18 > 0:12:21giving them a sense of purpose and belonging, but it's sad that the

0:12:21 > 0:12:25Church is the biggest provider in this area. There need to be more

0:12:25 > 0:12:29youth community centres to cut to the root of these issues, which is

0:12:29 > 0:12:35often poverty. William on Facebook says, religion is not the answer.

0:12:35 > 0:12:40Another tweet says, I am proud to be part of this. It has transformed my

0:12:40 > 0:12:44life. My Christian life is like nothing I have experienced before,

0:12:44 > 0:12:50and my business life is growing too. And they tweet from Clement - there

0:12:50 > 0:12:55has never been a better time to be alive than now, to see young people

0:12:55 > 0:12:58turning away from gangs and drugs and crime and becoming a positive

0:12:58 > 0:13:04change in their community. Our film is in about three minutes' time. Let

0:13:04 > 0:13:11us know what you think of this church's approach.

0:13:11 > 0:13:12Let's get some sport.

0:13:12 > 0:13:18Hugh is here.

0:13:18 > 0:13:21It was a record-breaking transfer window as Premier League clubs

0:13:21 > 0:13:25continue to spend massive amounts of money?They did.

0:13:25 > 0:13:28Well, it's finally over - the rigmarole for clubs of chasing

0:13:28 > 0:13:31down players and getting deals done, for fans anxiously checking

0:13:31 > 0:13:33social media for just the smallest rumour and for us,

0:13:33 > 0:13:38trying to keep you updated with all the movements -

0:13:38 > 0:13:42right down to last night's deadline day.

0:13:42 > 0:13:45And on the finance front, it was once again a record breaking window.

0:13:45 > 0:13:53Dan Jones is here from accountancy firm Deloitte.

0:13:54 > 0:13:58£430 million was spent by Premier League clubs in January.

0:13:58 > 0:14:01Interestingly, that is more than Spain, Germany, France and Italy

0:14:01 > 0:14:09combined. Are we an extreme spending mould, or are those other countries

0:14:09 > 0:14:13just not spending?It is just in proportion to how well those leagues

0:14:13 > 0:14:16are doing financially. England is now so far ahead of the rest of the

0:14:16 > 0:14:22world in terms of the scale of the Premier League. There are big clubs

0:14:22 > 0:14:25in the other countries, but the strength and depth of the Premier

0:14:25 > 0:14:29League is what stands out. So that spending on the Premier League is in

0:14:29 > 0:14:33standing with their level as the leading league in football.Premier

0:14:33 > 0:14:39League football seems to be an economic bubble. I can't think of

0:14:39 > 0:14:42anything other than bitcoin which seems to be consistently going up by

0:14:42 > 0:14:50so much. 10 million spent in 2007 in January, 150 million this January.

0:14:50 > 0:14:54Why the huge jump?Revenues have gone up across the board. You talk

0:14:54 > 0:14:58about it being like bitcoin. Maybe the pace of growth is not so quick,

0:14:58 > 0:15:02but it is consistent growth. There has never been a dip in the Premier

0:15:02 > 0:15:06League. And we don't see that changing any time soon. The new TV

0:15:06 > 0:15:10deals are being negotiated at the moment. We are expecting more growth

0:15:10 > 0:15:13then as well. As long as there is growth in revenue at the top, that

0:15:13 > 0:15:18money will filter its way to players, wages and transfers,

0:15:18 > 0:15:24because that is what people pay to see. They want the best talent.And

0:15:24 > 0:15:27we particularly see the best talent at Manchester City. They have a

0:15:27 > 0:15:30massive lead at the top of the table, so that money has turned into

0:15:30 > 0:15:35results. They expect more money -- they spent more money on their

0:15:35 > 0:15:40goalkeeping and defence than two country spent on the actual defence

0:15:40 > 0:15:48budgets. Why has that club been able to sustain its spending?

0:15:50 > 0:15:54Increasingly successful on the pitch as well, the more successful you are

0:15:54 > 0:15:57on the pitch, the more broadcast and match day revenue you get, and the

0:15:57 > 0:16:01more sponsors want to be associated with you. They are the real driving

0:16:01 > 0:16:08force going forward financially. Last January it was about the bottom

0:16:08 > 0:16:13is expending to stay up. This time it has been the top six spending to

0:16:13 > 0:16:18try to get in the Champions League for next year.Thanks so much for

0:16:18 > 0:16:22coming into the BBC sports Centre. A new TV deal as well for Premier

0:16:22 > 0:16:25League clubs. All of the moves from the January transfer window you can

0:16:25 > 0:16:29find on the BBC sport website. We will be back with more sport

0:16:29 > 0:16:37shortly.Welcome to the programme. We are pleased to have you with us.

0:16:37 > 0:16:39Now, this sounds like an unlikely church congregation -

0:16:39 > 0:16:45former gang members.

0:16:45 > 0:16:47Former violent gang members.

0:16:47 > 0:16:48But it's true.

0:16:48 > 0:16:49We've been given exclusive access

0:16:49 > 0:16:51to the Salvation Proclaimers Anointed Church

0:16:51 > 0:16:53in south London, where more than half the worshippers

0:16:53 > 0:16:55used to be in a gang.

0:16:55 > 0:16:57The church is on a mission to save troubled youths,

0:16:57 > 0:16:59providing a safe space where they can go and talk

0:16:59 > 0:17:05to someone, and their approach has been welcomed by the Met Police.

0:17:05 > 0:17:07It is the largest force in England and Wales.

0:17:07 > 0:17:11Our reporter Noel Phillips has been to see how it works.

0:17:11 > 0:17:13This is how one church is using former gang members

0:17:13 > 0:17:18to tackle knife crime.

0:17:18 > 0:17:20Before I actually became a gang member, I was actually

0:17:20 > 0:17:23stabbed on my way home back from the football.

0:17:26 > 0:17:29The lives of these young men may be the most remarkable.

0:17:29 > 0:17:31Some were once notorious gangsters but now they have put their past

0:17:31 > 0:17:38behind them for one common goal, to prevent violence and save lives.

0:17:38 > 0:17:39If you don't let me walk...

0:17:39 > 0:17:41If you do not let me walk away...

0:17:41 > 0:17:43If you do not let me walk...

0:17:43 > 0:17:46I said give me that.

0:17:48 > 0:17:51OK, so these people have been caught shoplifting by the security guard

0:17:51 > 0:17:55and they are not trying to get caught.

0:17:55 > 0:17:57We've had times when people are coming to the altar

0:17:57 > 0:17:59and dropping their drugs on the altar.

0:17:59 > 0:18:01The pastor responsible for their transformation claims that

0:18:01 > 0:18:03successive governments have failed to get a grip on violent

0:18:03 > 0:18:09crime and it is now time for the church to take action.

0:18:09 > 0:18:15Over 55% of the people in the church were ex-gang members, drug dealers.

0:18:15 > 0:18:19Last year, 2017, we had over 1000 people, young people,

0:18:19 > 0:18:26came forward to renounce that life.

0:18:26 > 0:18:27# No, no, no....#.

0:18:38 > 0:18:40We are inside SPAC Nation, known as Salvation

0:18:40 > 0:18:44Proclaimers Anointed Church, based in south London,

0:18:44 > 0:18:50where preachings are tailored to a different kind of congregation.

0:18:50 > 0:18:53Former armed robbers, drug dealers and gang members.

0:18:54 > 0:18:57A far cry from the life they once lived.

0:18:58 > 0:19:01This is not a normal Pentecostal church.

0:19:04 > 0:19:06It's a place where the word of God is being used

0:19:06 > 0:19:08to reform ex-criminals, like 26-year-old Kevin,

0:19:08 > 0:19:13who was recently in prison for attempted murder.

0:19:13 > 0:19:16Last year and this year is the first, is actually the first

0:19:16 > 0:19:19time that I haven't been into prison, so, do you see

0:19:19 > 0:19:20what I'm saying to you?

0:19:20 > 0:19:25So it's something that's working.

0:19:25 > 0:19:28Do you, are you confident that this will work and you will stay out

0:19:28 > 0:19:30of prison, perhaps for the rest of your life?

0:19:30 > 0:19:31It's working, it's working.

0:19:31 > 0:19:33I'm confident, it's working.

0:19:33 > 0:19:38The church has over 1,000 members and is led by this man.

0:19:38 > 0:19:41He is basically like our prophet.

0:19:41 > 0:19:44He is our teacher, who teaches us about the Word, and we don't

0:19:44 > 0:19:46idolise him but we come to him because he knows more

0:19:46 > 0:19:49about it than we do.

0:19:49 > 0:19:52Who you might feel is not worthy, actually, that is who God uses,

0:19:52 > 0:19:53because they've been there.

0:19:53 > 0:19:55They know how to go back to the prisons.

0:19:55 > 0:19:59They know how to go back to the estates.

0:19:59 > 0:20:02So I want to know how this 37-year-old pastor has taken some

0:20:02 > 0:20:08of Britain's toughest gang members off the streets and into the church.

0:20:08 > 0:20:09I understand that our approach is different

0:20:09 > 0:20:14from a traditional church.

0:20:14 > 0:20:17So I've got to look at them, I've got to connect.

0:20:17 > 0:20:19That's really out of my way, to be honest with you.

0:20:19 > 0:20:22I would never have dreamt of wearing ripped jeans as a pastor.

0:20:22 > 0:20:24I mean, that is quite extraordinary.

0:20:24 > 0:20:25I mean, you, your jeans are ripped.

0:20:25 > 0:20:26You're not in a suit.

0:20:26 > 0:20:28You're very casual.

0:20:28 > 0:20:30For a lot of people, that would be quite difficult.

0:20:30 > 0:20:32That's not pastoral, is it?

0:20:32 > 0:20:35But no, the generations are changing.

0:20:35 > 0:20:40I've got to look like the people I'm trying to talk to and you do realise

0:20:40 > 0:20:45that I've got access and I speak to the worst of the worst,

0:20:45 > 0:20:49the people that have done the most despicable things.

0:20:49 > 0:20:54I sit down with them and we talk.

0:20:54 > 0:20:56The son of a preacher, Pastor Tobi moved to the UK

0:20:56 > 0:20:59from Nigeria 12 years ago.

0:20:59 > 0:21:01Since then, he has expanded his church, with over 15 other

0:21:01 > 0:21:08branches across London.

0:21:11 > 0:21:13The former MP, now chief of staff to the Prime Minister,

0:21:13 > 0:21:16Gavin Barwell, met members last year and praised the church's approach

0:21:16 > 0:21:19to tackling knife crime.

0:21:19 > 0:21:22You can't rely on the Government to change your life on its own.

0:21:22 > 0:21:25But labelled as a cult, people on social media have accused

0:21:25 > 0:21:27Pastor Tobi of attracting young men and women from troubled backgrounds

0:21:27 > 0:21:34to his church using materialistic things such as money and wealth.

0:21:34 > 0:21:37If a cult means helping young people and reducing the number of people

0:21:37 > 0:21:42that will be victims of knife crime or gun crime...

0:21:42 > 0:21:46A guy comes to church who is trying to go to Harvard from Stratford,

0:21:46 > 0:21:49you know, and he's not able to go and then we give them money to go,

0:21:49 > 0:21:55if that's what a cult is, then we've got to be a cult.

0:21:55 > 0:21:58This might look like a staged performance but it is how this

0:21:58 > 0:22:01church interacts with their members.

0:22:03 > 0:22:08The ministers and pastors you see here are all self-appointed.

0:22:08 > 0:22:10They don't come under the supervision of any

0:22:10 > 0:22:12religious or regulatory body.

0:22:13 > 0:22:16In a society that does not always offer second chances to people

0:22:16 > 0:22:18like these young men, they say they are living proof that

0:22:18 > 0:22:21former gang members like them can make a difference in communities

0:22:21 > 0:22:29struggling to cope with knife crime.

0:22:30 > 0:22:33Among them is 22-year-old Daniel, who at the age of 12

0:22:33 > 0:22:37was part of a gang.

0:22:37 > 0:22:39Do you remember the first time you carried a knife?

0:22:39 > 0:22:44I do, yes, aged 13.

0:22:44 > 0:22:47I took it to school but although I didn't do nothing with it,

0:22:47 > 0:22:49it was there for protection.

0:22:49 > 0:22:50It's like reckless abandonment.

0:22:50 > 0:22:53You don't care what can happen.

0:22:53 > 0:22:54You don't care about the consequences.

0:22:54 > 0:22:57You know, you live in a minute, so you get the knife,

0:22:57 > 0:23:00you put it in your pocket.

0:23:00 > 0:23:03You don't think about, "Oh, there's police down the road", or,

0:23:03 > 0:23:06"What if I get into a problem that actually, I have to use this?"

0:23:06 > 0:23:08It's just there and whatever happens, happens, you know?

0:23:08 > 0:23:09Have you ever been stabbed?

0:23:09 > 0:23:10Erm, yes, I have.

0:23:10 > 0:23:13Well, I was caught up in a rival gang area,

0:23:13 > 0:23:17actually around here, in Brixton.

0:23:17 > 0:23:21And, erm, I was actually approached by four members of a rival gang.

0:23:21 > 0:23:24I tried to escape but I was caught and I was actually

0:23:24 > 0:23:26stabbed in my leg.

0:23:29 > 0:23:31This is now Daniel's life.

0:23:31 > 0:23:33He now preaches peace in Brixton, the very same neighbourhood

0:23:33 > 0:23:38where he was once known as a gang member.

0:23:38 > 0:23:41An elderly person who's never been on the streets of Brixton can't then

0:23:41 > 0:23:45tell a gang leader or tell a group of young boys, "Don't carry

0:23:45 > 0:23:47a knife", or give them real reasons as to why they shouldn't,

0:23:47 > 0:23:49you know, carry a knife.

0:23:49 > 0:23:51What they need to do is good partnerships

0:23:51 > 0:23:53with community leaders, who can, who have been in that

0:23:53 > 0:24:00position of carrying a knife, who has been gang members.

0:24:00 > 0:24:02Before I came into the House of Spac, I was known

0:24:02 > 0:24:04as a lot of things.

0:24:04 > 0:24:05Erm, before I actually became a gang member,

0:24:05 > 0:24:10I was actually stabbed on my way home back from football.

0:24:10 > 0:24:13And the reason why I'm standing here today is not only

0:24:13 > 0:24:16because of, like, what...

0:24:16 > 0:24:22It's not only because of, like, myself, basically, it's like,

0:24:22 > 0:24:24I'm basically saying to everybody else, I'm living proof that

0:24:24 > 0:24:26you can actually make a change...

0:24:26 > 0:24:27A frightening testimony.

0:24:27 > 0:24:2823-year-old Stephen, who is now an evangelist,

0:24:28 > 0:24:32has lived a life of drugs and extreme violence.

0:24:32 > 0:24:35If it wasn't for the church, I wouldn't, there would

0:24:35 > 0:24:36be no change for me.

0:24:36 > 0:24:38Basically, in other words, my job is not only to

0:24:38 > 0:24:40target gangs but to, like, anyone else, like,

0:24:40 > 0:24:42in the streets that needs saving, that's living in darkness,

0:24:42 > 0:24:44to bring them to Christ.

0:24:44 > 0:24:46That's my job.

0:24:46 > 0:24:48There is no organisation apart from the church that can solve

0:24:48 > 0:24:51crime among young people.

0:24:51 > 0:24:56You can never solve knife crime by saying, "We are anti-knife".

0:24:56 > 0:24:59Why do you think these young men, whose lives you have

0:24:59 > 0:25:02been able to transform, are listening to you and perhaps not

0:25:02 > 0:25:03listening to their parents or to the authorities?

0:25:03 > 0:25:07What are you saying to them?

0:25:07 > 0:25:10I've actually gone to prison doors on the day a person is released,

0:25:10 > 0:25:13taking them, driven them home and tell them, "You're now living

0:25:13 > 0:25:16with me", and the next day, we have bought them a suit

0:25:16 > 0:25:21and a jacket and say, "Come with me".

0:25:21 > 0:25:24If they see a better life, that's one of the major secrets.

0:25:24 > 0:25:31If they see a better life, they will change.

0:25:32 > 0:25:38A vivid reminder of the consequences of knife crime.

0:25:38 > 0:25:41He was sadly taken away from us, erm, by another young man

0:25:41 > 0:25:43using a knife, and...

0:25:43 > 0:25:46It actually never gets any easier for us all the family.

0:25:49 > 0:25:51Fico Dougan was just 17 when he was stabbed

0:25:51 > 0:25:55through the heart in 2013.

0:25:55 > 0:25:58It was a random attack.

0:26:01 > 0:26:04But enough for him to be murdered in front of a toddler by another

0:26:04 > 0:26:08teenager with a knife.

0:26:08 > 0:26:12Gangs have closely been linked to the increase in knife crime.

0:26:12 > 0:26:17Means comes here often with Fico's family, who are part of the church.

0:26:17 > 0:26:20What we are trying to achieve, more life, less funerals, you know?

0:26:20 > 0:26:22Mums and dads shouldn't really be burying their children

0:26:22 > 0:26:28like what's happened here.

0:26:28 > 0:26:29We are trying to prevent this.

0:26:29 > 0:26:31We are trying to prevent young people in prisons, you know.

0:26:31 > 0:26:33We are so passionate about young people, young

0:26:33 > 0:26:40black men and women, you know, achieving their potential,

0:26:40 > 0:26:42because what we are heavy on is literally going out

0:26:42 > 0:26:47there on the street, wherever, wherever young people are.

0:26:47 > 0:26:49London has just had its worst year for knife crime.

0:26:49 > 0:26:5180 people were stabbed to death last year.

0:26:51 > 0:26:5526 of those were teenagers.

0:26:55 > 0:26:58If you know someone that is in jail, and you know they're

0:26:58 > 0:26:59coming out, you can...

0:26:59 > 0:27:01We are in Croydon, south London, where these pastors

0:27:01 > 0:27:04are looking for gang members.

0:27:04 > 0:27:07Show the brothers, you get what I'm saying?

0:27:07 > 0:27:09There's not a lot of opportunities.

0:27:09 > 0:27:11This is what we are trying to show you.

0:27:11 > 0:27:12What about you, my sister?

0:27:12 > 0:27:13Just a general prayer?

0:27:13 > 0:27:14Yeah, it's OK, yeah?

0:27:14 > 0:27:19All right, we're just going to pray for you.

0:27:19 > 0:27:22A former leader of DSN, Don't Say No More, one of Croydon's

0:27:22 > 0:27:24largest criminal gangs, Pastor David is on a mission to show

0:27:24 > 0:27:29young people a life away from crime.

0:27:29 > 0:27:31We've come to bring peace and also to offer these people help,

0:27:31 > 0:27:34so it is a dangerous thing, but like I said, because we're

0:27:34 > 0:27:37coming from the heart, we just know all is well.

0:27:37 > 0:27:40You can even see how bad the area is because there's a fight

0:27:40 > 0:27:41starting right over there.

0:27:41 > 0:27:42That's how bad the area is.

0:27:42 > 0:27:43Over here, can you see?

0:27:43 > 0:27:51David, let's go.

0:27:51 > 0:27:54Reuben, who is no stranger to scenes like this, tells me his role

0:27:54 > 0:27:56on the street is not easy when it comes to gang wars and violence.

0:27:56 > 0:27:57My dear, my dear.

0:27:57 > 0:28:00We'll deal with it, we'll deal with it.

0:28:00 > 0:28:02If they do not go...

0:28:02 > 0:28:04Soft, soft.

0:28:04 > 0:28:05Are you a security guard?

0:28:05 > 0:28:06Yeah, a security guard.

0:28:06 > 0:28:07OK.

0:28:07 > 0:28:08This is what I'm saying...!

0:28:08 > 0:28:09OK, OK.

0:28:09 > 0:28:12So these people have been caught shoplifting by the security guard

0:28:12 > 0:28:15and they are not trying to get caught.

0:28:15 > 0:28:16That's basically what happened.

0:28:16 > 0:28:20They've shoplifted and they don't want to get caught, that's it.

0:28:20 > 0:28:21That's Croydon, big man.

0:28:21 > 0:28:29That's Croydon.

0:28:30 > 0:28:33Dealing with problems before they get out of control is the essence of

0:28:33 > 0:28:35their role.

0:28:35 > 0:28:38Back in the church, critics say it should not be targeting vulnerable

0:28:38 > 0:28:41young people in order to grow its followers but pastors

0:28:41 > 0:28:43say they are seeing results.

0:28:43 > 0:28:45Pastor Tobi...

0:28:45 > 0:28:48Is asking members of the congregation to make their way

0:28:48 > 0:28:50to the front with any knives or weapons that they may

0:28:50 > 0:28:55have in their pockets.

0:28:55 > 0:28:58We've had times where people are coming to the altar and people

0:28:58 > 0:29:00are dropping their drugs on the altar.

0:29:00 > 0:29:03We are coming where people are dropping their knives on the altar.

0:29:03 > 0:29:06I mean, last week, a young boy that came, Ajo, I was praying for him,

0:29:06 > 0:29:08I was holding him and he was crying.

0:29:08 > 0:29:10A 23-year-old man crying, because he doesn't

0:29:10 > 0:29:11want that lifestyle.

0:29:11 > 0:29:12The only reason he's doing that lifestyle

0:29:12 > 0:29:14is because that's all he knows.

0:29:14 > 0:29:17Just two years ago, Connor was facing a 12-year prison sentence

0:29:17 > 0:29:20for a string of violent crimes.

0:29:21 > 0:29:27He is one of 14 ex-offenders who now lives with Pastor Tobi at his home.

0:29:27 > 0:29:30They need shelter.

0:29:31 > 0:29:34That is not shelter from ex-gang people chasing them.

0:29:35 > 0:29:37The mind, the mind is the factory for everything

0:29:37 > 0:29:41and I've got to do that.

0:29:41 > 0:29:43Again, I stumbled into this.

0:29:43 > 0:29:45It's not a plan.

0:29:45 > 0:29:48It is not something we sat down and said we were going to have.

0:29:48 > 0:29:54But I will deal with cases and ask myself, "Where do I want him to go?"

0:29:54 > 0:29:58I know that when he is coming out fresh from jail,

0:29:58 > 0:30:00if I allow him to go back to the community, the system

0:30:00 > 0:30:06will not employ him anyway.

0:30:06 > 0:30:10Is it the role of the church to be getting involved with gangs

0:30:10 > 0:30:11and trying to stop knife crime?

0:30:11 > 0:30:13Isn't that down to the police and perhaps the authorities?

0:30:13 > 0:30:19Over 55% of the people in the Church are ex-gang members, drug dealers.

0:30:19 > 0:30:21Last year, 2017, we had over 1,000 people, young men,

0:30:21 > 0:30:29came forward to renounce that life.

0:30:29 > 0:30:32The police and the authorities don't really know what to do right now.

0:30:32 > 0:30:35They, they look to me like they are confused.

0:30:35 > 0:30:38And so, call it a church, call it whatever we want to call it.

0:30:38 > 0:30:44It has to be the role of somebody.

0:30:44 > 0:30:48In response, the Metropolitan Police has told us they want churches

0:30:48 > 0:30:51like this to be seen as safe spaces for young people in order

0:30:51 > 0:30:58to help reduce knife crime.

0:30:58 > 0:31:00For many of the former gang members who walk

0:31:00 > 0:31:01through these doors, it was a choice

0:31:01 > 0:31:05between life and death.

0:31:05 > 0:31:07Most gang members that you see lack love.

0:31:07 > 0:31:08And that's a problem.

0:31:08 > 0:31:12They do lack love inside and most of them might not want to own up

0:31:12 > 0:31:15to it but that's the thing, it's like a lack of love.

0:31:15 > 0:31:18But for those given a second chance, this is an opportunity to make

0:31:18 > 0:31:20a real difference and prevent others from making the same

0:31:20 > 0:31:28mistakes they did.

0:31:32 > 0:31:36You can read more on that story on the BBC News website.

0:31:36 > 0:31:40And after ten, we'll meet two young men, both former gang members,

0:31:40 > 0:31:43who are now mentors and pastors and also the MP who chairs

0:31:43 > 0:31:49the all-party parliamentary group on knife crime.

0:31:50 > 0:31:55Thank you for your messages. Jamal says, this has changed the lives of

0:31:55 > 0:31:58many ex-criminals by offering membership and an alternative

0:31:58 > 0:32:02lifestyle as well as spiritual guidance. Wow! Abbey treated us to

0:32:02 > 0:32:06say, I have seen lives changed in a day. Young people are coming to

0:32:06 > 0:32:10church and leaving wanting to achieve more with their lives and

0:32:10 > 0:32:14follow greatness. Rachel says, this isn't about religion, it's about

0:32:14 > 0:32:19community and change. If they can do what others can't, let them do their

0:32:19 > 0:32:23job. Walking the streets and speaking to gang members is not

0:32:23 > 0:32:33easy, but if it can change lives, we should not be quick to dismiss it.

0:32:33 > 0:32:34Still to come:

0:32:34 > 0:32:36Those who suffer from psychosis or psychotic episodes are not

0:32:36 > 0:32:39getting the early intervention they need - that's the findings

0:32:39 > 0:32:42of new research by the NHS and the Liberal Democrats -

0:32:42 > 0:32:44we'll be speaking to their Health Spokesperson Norman Lamb shortly.

0:32:44 > 0:32:47And a man who had his first psychotic incident when he was 19.

0:32:47 > 0:32:51The group set up to improve the north of England's economy says the

0:32:51 > 0:32:54problems run deep, as GCSE students in the north are getting worse

0:32:54 > 0:33:01results than those in the south. We will ask why.

0:33:01 > 0:33:04Annita is in the BBC Newsroom with the BBC News

0:33:04 > 0:33:06headlines this morning.

0:33:06 > 0:33:11Theresa May says she will fight EU proposals to give residency rights

0:33:11 > 0:33:15to European citizens who moved to the UK during the Brexit transition

0:33:15 > 0:33:19period. The Prime Minister, who is on a three-day visit to China, said

0:33:19 > 0:33:23there should be a clear difference between people who arrive in Britain

0:33:23 > 0:33:27before March 2019, when the UK is due to leave the EU, and those who

0:33:27 > 0:33:31arrived after that date. The disgraced USA gymnastics Doctor

0:33:31 > 0:33:39Larry Nassar abused more than 200 and athletes in his care, a court

0:33:39 > 0:33:43has told a dead in Michigan. Last week, he was sentenced to 175 years

0:33:43 > 0:33:48in jail after 160 women testified that he sexually assaulted them.

0:33:48 > 0:33:52Another 65 women are expected to testify in the last of three

0:33:52 > 0:33:55sentencing hearings. Yesterday the US gymnastics governing body

0:33:55 > 0:33:59confirmed that all of its remaining directors have resigned over the

0:33:59 > 0:34:01scandal.

0:34:01 > 0:34:05The proportion of people having strokes in their 40s and 50s has

0:34:05 > 0:34:08risen in the last decade according to Public Health England, which says

0:34:08 > 0:34:1320% of stroke cases now occur in those aged between 40 and 59.

0:34:13 > 0:34:16Obesity, diabetes and sedentary lifestyles are all thought to be

0:34:16 > 0:34:20factors behind the rise.

0:34:20 > 0:34:23Former Chancellor George Osborne says the government must do more to

0:34:23 > 0:34:26tackle poor achievement by children in the north of England. A study by

0:34:26 > 0:34:29the business led Northern Powerhouse partnerships and found that pupils

0:34:29 > 0:34:33in the north are on average one GCSE grade behind those in the South. It

0:34:33 > 0:34:38also revealed a quarter of secondary schools in the north are judged by

0:34:38 > 0:34:43step to be inadequate or in need of improvement.

0:34:43 > 0:34:46A government target for treating people with severe mental health

0:34:46 > 0:34:48conditions in England isn't being met, according to the Liberal

0:34:48 > 0:34:52Democrats. The party says it has gathered evidence which shows that

0:34:52 > 0:34:55people experiencing a first episode of psychosis are not getting a

0:34:55 > 0:34:58quality care package. NHS England says more than three quarters of

0:34:58 > 0:35:02patients are seen within two weeks and that the research shows a

0:35:02 > 0:35:06partial and dated picture of the services provided.

0:35:06 > 0:35:11That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

0:35:11 > 0:35:17And here are some sport now. Jose Mourinho was left angered by what he

0:35:17 > 0:35:20called a ridiculous start to Manchester United's 2-0 defeat to

0:35:20 > 0:35:24Spurs in the Premier League last night. Midfielder Christian Eriksen

0:35:24 > 0:35:29opened the scoring after just 11 seconds at Wembley. That is the

0:35:29 > 0:35:33third fastest goal in Premier League history. Chelsea boss Antonio Conte

0:35:33 > 0:35:37wasn't much happier. He admitted that he felt there was real danger

0:35:37 > 0:35:41that his side may fail to reach next season's Champions League after a

0:35:41 > 0:35:45shock 3-0 defeat to Bournemouth at Stamford Bridge. Football's transfer

0:35:45 > 0:35:50window ended last night with a total of £430 million spent in the Premier

0:35:50 > 0:35:55League during January, a new record. 150 million of it was outplayed

0:35:55 > 0:35:59yesterday alone. Finally, England's Natalie Sciver has reached the final

0:35:59 > 0:36:03of the women's big bash league in Australia. She hit 38 as her Perth

0:36:03 > 0:36:06scorchers side came past Sydney thunder by 27 runs in their

0:36:06 > 0:36:12semifinal in Perth. More sport later.

0:36:12 > 0:36:18Now, I know you have seen this story, but I want to ask you how you

0:36:18 > 0:36:25handle being late.

0:36:25 > 0:36:26Is being late a resignation issue?

0:36:26 > 0:36:29One minister in the House of Lords thought it was.

0:36:29 > 0:36:31At the despatch box, Lord Bates stunned fellow peers

0:36:31 > 0:36:33by saying he intended to resign after the "discourtesy"

0:36:33 > 0:36:35of arriving late to a session.

0:36:35 > 0:36:37My Lords, with the leave of the house, I wonder

0:36:37 > 0:36:40if you would permit me to offer my sincere apologies to

0:36:40 > 0:36:43Baroness Lister for my discourtesy in not being in my place to answer

0:36:43 > 0:36:45her question on a very important matter at the beginning of

0:36:45 > 0:36:46questions.

0:36:46 > 0:36:49During the five years in which it has been my privilege to

0:36:49 > 0:36:52answer questions from this dispatch box on behalf of the government,

0:36:52 > 0:36:55I've always believed that we should always rise to the highest possible

0:36:55 > 0:36:57standards of courtesy and respect in responding on behalf of the

0:36:57 > 0:36:59Government to the legitimate questions of the legislature.

0:36:59 > 0:37:01I'm thoroughly ashamed at not being in

0:37:01 > 0:37:05my place and therefore, I shall be offering my resignation.

0:37:05 > 0:37:06BENCHES: No, no!

0:37:06 > 0:37:14With immediate effect.

0:37:15 > 0:37:18The Prime Minister refused his resignation. A spokeswoman at Number

0:37:18 > 0:37:22Ten said it was unnecessary and Lord Bates has decided to continue in his

0:37:22 > 0:37:26role. Apparently, a couple of years ago, he also resigned from the

0:37:26 > 0:37:30junior Home Office role because he was going on a 2000 mile long trek.

0:37:30 > 0:37:36Anyway! We are going to talk next about psychosis.

0:37:36 > 0:37:38Psychosis or a psychotic episode is when you think or interpret

0:37:38 > 0:37:41reality in a very different way from people around you.

0:37:41 > 0:37:43You might be said to lose touch with reality.

0:37:43 > 0:37:48New research by the Liberal Democrats and the NHS shows that

0:37:48 > 0:37:50early intervention with those who experience psychosis is not

0:37:50 > 0:37:56being properly delivered in parts of the country.

0:37:56 > 0:37:59When the Lib Dems were in government they introduced plans to make sure

0:37:59 > 0:38:01at least half of patients experiencing their first episode

0:38:01 > 0:38:03of psychosis received specialist treatment within two weeks

0:38:03 > 0:38:07of being referred.

0:38:07 > 0:38:09But they've found only a quarter of trusts are providing patients

0:38:09 > 0:38:13with the full care required.

0:38:13 > 0:38:16Let's talk now to Liberal Democrat MP Norman Lamb, the former care

0:38:16 > 0:38:18minister who established the care standards during the

0:38:18 > 0:38:19coalition government.

0:38:19 > 0:38:22Sophie Mei Lan experienced a psychotic episode whilst at home

0:38:22 > 0:38:24with her two-year-old daughter and says it made her feel paranoid.

0:38:24 > 0:38:26Robert Westhead had his first psychotic episode

0:38:26 > 0:38:34when he was 19 years old and says early intervention is key.

0:38:39 > 0:38:43Robert, that first-time you had a psychotic episode, described that

0:38:43 > 0:38:48for our audience. Most people will have no idea what that means.

0:38:48 > 0:38:53Absolutely. Firstly, the word psychosis and psychotic is a nasty

0:38:53 > 0:38:56word. We associate it with mad axe men being psychotic in a film. What

0:38:56 > 0:39:05it means is an acute episode of severe mental illness. For me, I was

0:39:05 > 0:39:1119 and travelling around the world on a gap year. Suddenly, I was not

0:39:11 > 0:39:15having the best time in the world, but I noticed suddenly that my moods

0:39:15 > 0:39:19were starting to significantly go down. And then after about ten days,

0:39:19 > 0:39:24they would go up again. I would be having the time of my life, and then

0:39:24 > 0:39:29my moods would go down again. So I was having a rapid cycling bipolar

0:39:29 > 0:39:33disorder. At the time, it was terrifying. I couldn't conceive of

0:39:33 > 0:39:37what it might be. I knew nothing about mental illness. I was

0:39:37 > 0:39:39wondering what had happened in my childhood that might have led to

0:39:39 > 0:39:44this. It was a baffling experience. It was only when I got really ill

0:39:44 > 0:39:49and I got back home and was detained in hospital that I began to discover

0:39:49 > 0:39:56what it was and begin treatment.And you experienced strong delusions.

0:39:56 > 0:40:04Explain about that.When you are on a manic high but not too ill, you

0:40:04 > 0:40:08are the life and soul of the party, full of energy, nonstop, constant

0:40:08 > 0:40:13talking. But at some point, you start to lose reality and things go

0:40:13 > 0:40:20really weird. That is the behaviour that people associate with madness,

0:40:20 > 0:40:23where people have delusions of grandeur. They might think they are

0:40:23 > 0:40:32the Prime Minister.What were your delusions?I thought I was top dog.

0:40:32 > 0:40:37Very strangely for someone who is not religious, I had some religious

0:40:37 > 0:40:42delusions, thinking I was on some kind of mission. I had a sense of

0:40:42 > 0:40:47the presence of God, which was strange. If I have the rustle of

0:40:47 > 0:40:51leaves in a tree, somehow that became associated with the sense of

0:40:51 > 0:40:56a presence of God. Very strange and hard to come to terms with when

0:40:56 > 0:41:03those experiences are so alien to you.

0:41:03 > 0:41:06you.Sophie, when you first experienced your psychotic episode,

0:41:06 > 0:41:12what were you experiencing?I didn't realise it was a psychotic episode

0:41:12 > 0:41:19at first. For me, it was something that built up over a long period. I

0:41:19 > 0:41:24was rolling around the house thinking people were after the. I

0:41:24 > 0:41:30felt like I was in a computer game. I didn't know what was happening. I

0:41:30 > 0:41:35was running out of the house. Even going to the supermarket, I would be

0:41:35 > 0:41:44dodging people, thinking I was being shot at. It was my mental health

0:41:44 > 0:41:50nurse who noticed it was getting really bad. Luckily, I had a routine

0:41:50 > 0:41:52psychotherapy appointment, and they pinpointed that I was going through

0:41:52 > 0:42:00a psychotic episode.Norman Lamb, your findings using Freedom of

0:42:00 > 0:42:06Information, what have you discovered?We have discovered that

0:42:06 > 0:42:08although treatment starts reassuringly on time for many

0:42:08 > 0:42:14people, in other words within the two-week standard, they then

0:42:14 > 0:42:17regularly didn't get the full evidence -based treatment package

0:42:17 > 0:42:23which is part of the government's standard. And the government keeps

0:42:23 > 0:42:28say it is meeting the standard, but they are not. As you said, only

0:42:28 > 0:42:31about 25% of the country is delivering the full evidence -based

0:42:31 > 0:42:35treatment package. You would never get that encounter. It is like

0:42:35 > 0:42:39saying to someone, we will give you some chemotherapy, but we will not

0:42:39 > 0:42:42give you the full treatment programme. And yet we know that for

0:42:42 > 0:42:47every pound spent, you save about £15 in the long run for the state

0:42:47 > 0:42:52because you are giving people the chance of rescuing them, the chance

0:42:52 > 0:42:57of a good life, the life that the rest of us take for granted.Why

0:42:57 > 0:43:02isn't it happening?I think it is the financial strain that the whole

0:43:02 > 0:43:08of the NHS is under. When I was minister, I found that it is always

0:43:08 > 0:43:14mental health that loses out the most. The really important principle

0:43:14 > 0:43:17I want to stress is that there should be equality here. Equal

0:43:17 > 0:43:21access whether you have a mental or physical health problem.

0:43:21 > 0:43:24NHS England told us that "10,000 people each year are receiving

0:43:24 > 0:43:25treatment through the early intervention in psychosis programme,

0:43:25 > 0:43:32with over three-quarters of patients getting treatment within two weeks.

0:43:32 > 0:43:34Your analysis inevitably gives only a partial and dated picture

0:43:34 > 0:43:39of progress in these services."

0:43:39 > 0:43:42That is a grossly misleading and disappointing statement. This is

0:43:42 > 0:43:48data from this year. It is a survey across the whole of the country.

0:43:48 > 0:43:53Analysis by NHS England themselves shows the same picture. And in fact,

0:43:53 > 0:43:57their statement, which only focuses on starting treatment on time, is a

0:43:57 > 0:44:00partial statement because they are ignoring the fact that people are

0:44:00 > 0:44:03not then getting the full evidence -based treatment package. And that

0:44:03 > 0:44:08is what people are titled to. In the NHS, a publicly funded health

0:44:08 > 0:44:13service, the principle of equality of access to treatment for everyone

0:44:13 > 0:44:18is important to reinforce.

0:44:18 > 0:44:21Robert, do you believe if you get early intervention and the full

0:44:21 > 0:44:24support and treatment available it is possible to live a fulfilled and

0:44:24 > 0:44:29happy life and manage the psychosis? There is no doubt about that. I was

0:44:29 > 0:44:32lucky in a sense that it was caught at the age of 19 and I started

0:44:32 > 0:44:36treatment. It is common for people to wait ten years before they get

0:44:36 > 0:44:40any treatment at all. People go even longer than that, decades.On that

0:44:40 > 0:44:46point, let me read a text message from a viewer. I recently had a

0:44:46 > 0:44:49mental health assessment after a 25 year wait of suffering with

0:44:49 > 0:44:53psychotic episodes. I am having to self medicated my episodes with

0:44:53 > 0:44:57diazepam, bought online, or cannabis. I have reached out to many

0:44:57 > 0:45:00organisations during the 25 years I have been suffering, but this is the

0:45:00 > 0:45:07first time I have received help. That is shocking?It is shocking.

0:45:07 > 0:45:10Sophie, with effective treatment and intervention, do you believe you can

0:45:10 > 0:45:15live a happy and fulfilled life and manage the psychosis question ofI

0:45:15 > 0:45:20believe I can manage the psychosis, but I don't think I can fully

0:45:20 > 0:45:25thrive. If I give an example of today, I actually used to work in

0:45:25 > 0:45:30the BBC Leeds office. When I was having delusions, I thought when I

0:45:30 > 0:45:34was driving that I was knocking people overcome and I had knocked

0:45:34 > 0:45:38people down. So, coming here today, I had to come in a taxi. I don't

0:45:38 > 0:45:43drive and there are other things that limit me. But I do believe if

0:45:43 > 0:45:45you get early intervention, recovery, to some extent, is

0:45:45 > 0:45:54possible. I use my blog and my vlog to do that and talk to other people

0:45:54 > 0:45:57going through it, because it is a very scary time and something that

0:45:57 > 0:46:01people don't talk enough about when it is a psychotic episode, we

0:46:01 > 0:46:10associated with psychos.

0:46:13 > 0:46:15People are spending less time on Facebook after the social network

0:46:17 > 0:46:19made a complete overhaul of its news feed.

0:46:19 > 0:46:23With me is our reporter Adina Campbell.

0:46:23 > 0:46:28What is going on?We now know that officially many of us are not

0:46:28 > 0:46:32spending as much time on Facebook. The latest results show that the

0:46:32 > 0:46:37hours were reduced by about 50 million hours every day.Every day!?

0:46:37 > 0:46:44Everyday, translating about two minutes per user, and there are 4.2

0:46:44 > 0:46:52billion users worldwide. Users dropped in places like the US and

0:46:52 > 0:46:56Canada, and it led to a drop in shares overnight by about 4% in

0:46:56 > 0:47:02after-hours trading. It has picked up a bit this morning.OK. I mean,

0:47:02 > 0:47:05Mark Zuckerberg, the founder, has decided this is the right way to go

0:47:05 > 0:47:08to actually safeguard Facebook's future, because people are demanding

0:47:08 > 0:47:15more meaningful... What is the word? More meaningful interactions?We

0:47:15 > 0:47:18have known for some time that people are quite simply fed up with

0:47:18 > 0:47:23newsfeeds being dominated by adverts, viral videos, posts from

0:47:23 > 0:47:25political parties or media companies. Visibly wants to find out

0:47:25 > 0:47:30what their family and friends are doing. -- they simply want to find

0:47:30 > 0:47:32out what their family and friends are doing. Mark Zuckerberg has taken

0:47:32 > 0:47:34the feedback on board and made an announcement recently to overhaul

0:47:34 > 0:47:42the news feed. That means less adverts and making sure that posts

0:47:42 > 0:47:45from family and friends are higher up on people's newsfeeds. As you

0:47:45 > 0:47:48say, he has used this word meaningful, he wants to make sure

0:47:48 > 0:47:51that people spend a meaningful amount of time on the social

0:47:51 > 0:47:55network. Today's results are not all doom and gloom for Facebook. It is

0:47:55 > 0:48:00still the world's larger social media network. As I said, 1.4

0:48:00 > 0:48:04billion users. Revenue soared last year by about 47%, to more than £28

0:48:04 > 0:48:09billion.Thank you very much.

0:48:10 > 0:48:14Later in the programme we will talk to two former gang members. This is

0:48:14 > 0:48:19coming up after ten o'clock, ex-gang members, because they have been

0:48:19 > 0:48:25converted. They have been turned away from a life of crime by the

0:48:25 > 0:48:29pastors and congregation of a church in London.

0:48:29 > 0:48:31Good morning.

0:48:31 > 0:48:3416 year olds in the North of England are on average at least one GCSE

0:48:34 > 0:48:35grade behind teenagers in London.

0:48:35 > 0:48:37That's according to the Northern Powerhouse Partnership -

0:48:37 > 0:48:40a group which aims to increase the contribution of the North

0:48:40 > 0:48:43of England to the UK economy - who say it's crucial we try

0:48:43 > 0:48:47and close that gap.

0:48:47 > 0:48:54They suggest tech and digital businesses to build better

0:48:54 > 0:48:56links with local schools.

0:48:56 > 0:49:00George Osborne chairs the partnership and has been telling

0:49:00 > 0:49:06Radio 4 that schools should be following the London model.

0:49:06 > 0:49:09You know, when I was growing up in London, the schools in London,

0:49:09 > 0:49:11the state schools were among the worst performing in the country

0:49:11 > 0:49:13and they are now among the best.

0:49:13 > 0:49:15They were improved in some of the most challenging

0:49:15 > 0:49:17and difficult areas, where many different languages

0:49:17 > 0:49:19were spoken, where people came from real deprivation.

0:49:19 > 0:49:21And it was achieved, yes, through investment in education

0:49:21 > 0:49:29but above all through reform, starting in Hackney, one

0:49:31 > 0:49:33Now I am saying, you could do something similar with a similar

0:49:33 > 0:49:35effort, a similar national focus, a similar involvement

0:49:35 > 0:49:38of local authority leaders, particularly now we have elected

0:49:38 > 0:49:40mayors in the big cities, and a similar ambition

0:49:40 > 0:49:41and that is what we need.

0:49:41 > 0:49:44We need an ambition to say, "We don't have to put up

0:49:44 > 0:49:46with this situation".

0:49:46 > 0:49:48We can speak now to

0:49:48 > 0:49:50Justin Blackhurst, founder and Director of DigitalNext,

0:49:50 > 0:49:56a digital agency in Manchester which already work with schools

0:49:56 > 0:49:57and young people, Patsy Kane, Executive Headteacher

0:49:57 > 0:50:00of the Education and Leadership Trust which runs three schools

0:50:00 > 0:50:05in Manchester, and Ben Houcher - Conservative Mayor of Tees Valley.

0:50:05 > 0:50:10Thank you so much for coming on the programme. First, let me start with

0:50:10 > 0:50:13you, as a head teacher, Patsy. Your reaction to the fact that

0:50:13 > 0:50:1716-year-olds in the North of England are falling one GCSE grade, on

0:50:17 > 0:50:21average, behind those in the south? Well, we can't argue with the

0:50:21 > 0:50:26evidence. What we can do is use the evidence of what did work in the

0:50:26 > 0:50:31London challenge and spread that around.Aren't you shocked at that?

0:50:31 > 0:50:38Are you letting pupils down?Are we letting students down? I think as a

0:50:38 > 0:50:42society we have to really focus on growing young people. I think

0:50:42 > 0:50:44proposals in the report are excellent. It does start pre-school,

0:50:44 > 0:50:50helping families get screwed already, and then it does propose --

0:50:50 > 0:50:57helping families get school ready. If we get that real engagement from

0:50:57 > 0:51:01businesses as well, there are some very positive things coming out of

0:51:01 > 0:51:04the report.Nothing to do with teachers?We are struggling to

0:51:04 > 0:51:11recruit in teaching. It can be the most fantastic job. In schools there

0:51:11 > 0:51:14has perhaps been difficulty in recruiting great head teachers who

0:51:14 > 0:51:18are passionate and ambitious for the children in their areas, whatever

0:51:18 > 0:51:22the starting point.Justin, thanks for coming on the programme. Why do

0:51:22 > 0:51:26you think this is happening? Tell me about the work you do in schools?I

0:51:26 > 0:51:31started my business about eight years ago. I set it up with my

0:51:31 > 0:51:35brother, a family business to start with. I quickly realised that it was

0:51:35 > 0:51:40a massive skills gap, in that digital field. People in the

0:51:40 > 0:51:44industry interviewing for jobs did not get the situation.Just be

0:51:44 > 0:51:49really specific, what sort of skills are you talking about?Well, we

0:51:49 > 0:51:53manipulate search engines like Google for businesses, to grow them

0:51:53 > 0:51:57online, and also get people exposure on platforms like Facebook to really

0:51:57 > 0:52:00push their business and grow their businesses. So, that generation of

0:52:00 > 0:52:06people get the technology and how to use it, how to manipulate it in the

0:52:06 > 0:52:10best way. Maybe an older generation would get it, but they have not

0:52:10 > 0:52:19grown up with it and they have not been... They are not as savvy.OK.

0:52:19 > 0:52:25So, the work you do in schools involves what?So, we go into

0:52:25 > 0:52:29schools, looking for apprentices, looking for young kids that really

0:52:29 > 0:52:33driven, motivated, interested in the internet, in working in teams. We

0:52:33 > 0:52:39don't look to employ people all the time, but we put ourselves out there

0:52:39 > 0:52:44so that young people come forward and want to come and work for us. I

0:52:44 > 0:52:48remember one of my first staff members, Chris, who is on the senior

0:52:48 > 0:52:51management team now, he just hung around in the early days, he liked

0:52:51 > 0:52:58the vibe that we were creating, and he has been with us eight years now.

0:52:58 > 0:53:03Another young lad I played cricket with in the early days, he now runs

0:53:03 > 0:53:07our office in Melbourne. He has built a team over there of around 15

0:53:07 > 0:53:15people. So, young people have been great for Digital Next.Ben,

0:53:15 > 0:53:19Conservative Mayor for Tees Valley, how do you react to the fact that

0:53:19 > 0:53:2116-year-olds in the north of England are falling one GCSE grade on

0:53:21 > 0:53:27average behind pupils in the South? It is massively disappointing for

0:53:27 > 0:53:31me. I think we've got to recognise there is a difference, there are

0:53:31 > 0:53:34some very good performing schools and very specific issues that face

0:53:34 > 0:53:37each region in the north. The fact that on average we are one GCSE

0:53:37 > 0:53:40behind the rest of the country means there is a fundamental issue that

0:53:40 > 0:53:45needs to be addressed.How are you going to address it?The report,

0:53:45 > 0:53:48actually, set out some very good points. The £300 million to help

0:53:48 > 0:53:57with integration of health

0:53:57 > 0:53:58with integration of health services in the voluntary sector, to get

0:53:58 > 0:54:01pupils ready at age five, we all know that the early years has a huge

0:54:01 > 0:54:04impact on a student's ability and prospects going forward. I think the

0:54:04 > 0:54:06refinement of the Pupil Premium system, recommended in the report,

0:54:06 > 0:54:09that is important to make sure that more money goes to the most

0:54:09 > 0:54:11disadvantaged students. One thing other guests just said was business

0:54:11 > 0:54:15engagement. The statistics are very clear, if a young person have at

0:54:15 > 0:54:18least three meaningful engagement with business, that can have

0:54:18 > 0:54:21transformational prospects for their future career and the future life

0:54:21 > 0:54:29chances.Of these things being suggested, apart from the focus on a

0:54:29 > 0:54:32child's early years, which seems really obvious, potentially, when it

0:54:32 > 0:54:35comes to GCSEs, powder is getting businesses involved in schools helps

0:54:35 > 0:54:45body get higher GCSE grades? Sorry, I've just pressed Siri!I think it

0:54:45 > 0:54:51is about inspiration and aspiration. My brother used to work at BAE

0:54:51 > 0:54:55Systems, and he had to go into schools as part of the graduate

0:54:55 > 0:55:00scheme into primaries to make sure they were aware of the opportunities

0:55:00 > 0:55:08in Barrow to get into that Company. We have ICI, that had huge resources

0:55:08 > 0:55:12to bring people in and get them familiar with the careers. Arming

0:55:12 > 0:55:15students with information so they know the breath of careers that are

0:55:15 > 0:55:17out there and also the impact education has on getting that job,

0:55:17 > 0:55:21that is something that is not being done properly to make sure the

0:55:21 > 0:55:24students are aware of really what education means to them and how it

0:55:24 > 0:55:29can affect their life going into their 20s, 30s and long-term career.

0:55:29 > 0:55:36Patsy Kane, do you get businesses coming into your three schools to

0:55:36 > 0:55:40talk to pupils?Massive priority, right from year seven we have

0:55:40 > 0:55:44inspiring people coming in and talk about their life story. Two of the

0:55:44 > 0:55:46schools are girls schools, and it is particularly important they hear

0:55:46 > 0:55:51about different routes and how women manage a family and a great career.

0:55:51 > 0:55:59We have a specific focus on women in science, technology and maths, we

0:55:59 > 0:56:02had engineers from the BBC coming in, designers from the BBC, another

0:56:02 > 0:56:11huge IT company, UK Fast. We need a wide range of people, these are

0:56:11 > 0:56:14exciting opportunities, they are local, well paid, really interesting

0:56:14 > 0:56:19and this is how we got there. It makes a massive difference.Final

0:56:19 > 0:56:22thought, what would you like at school? Did you think it was right

0:56:22 > 0:56:29for you, or how did you view that?I thought all was great, it gave

0:56:29 > 0:56:34discipline, it has a bit of everything, sport. I think that is

0:56:34 > 0:56:42key, especially a lot of the staff members that I have hired from the

0:56:42 > 0:56:46past that have been good team players have come from sporting

0:56:46 > 0:56:50backgrounds as well. So, I think school gives kids a well rounded

0:56:50 > 0:56:54education and also gives them the social skills that they need to

0:56:54 > 0:56:58succeed, especially in a corporate environment.Thank you very much.

0:56:58 > 0:57:01Continued success with your business, thank you. Patti Kane,

0:57:01 > 0:57:06same to you, executive Ed teacher at a trust that runs three schools in

0:57:06 > 0:57:10Manchester. And Ben Howe check, the Conservative Mayor of Tees Valley.

0:57:10 > 0:57:17Thank you about your messages about psychosis. One viewer says I

0:57:17 > 0:57:21struggle with psychosis and have a major episode in 2015. Since then I

0:57:21 > 0:57:25have had counselling and medication to the NHS and feel like, after 15

0:57:25 > 0:57:28years, I have got my life back. Karen e-mailed to say, my

0:57:28 > 0:57:3618-year-old first became sick

0:57:37 > 0:57:3918-year-old first became sick in 2016 and we just got appointments to

0:57:39 > 0:57:43talk. My son is really bad again and nobody wants to help, other than

0:57:43 > 0:57:46talking. I have seven children and bipolar is very strong in my family,

0:57:46 > 0:57:51but nobody listens to any of us. They think every young person who

0:57:51 > 0:57:57has this is down to the fact that they smoke cannabis. The latest news

0:57:57 > 0:58:02and sport is on the way. Before that, the weather.

0:58:02 > 0:58:07And Simon we've had a rare glimpse of the super blue blood moon.

0:58:07 > 0:58:15Did you see it?I was asleep by 7.50, that is how I roll!I was

0:58:15 > 0:58:18asleep as well, but I saw it this morning.

0:58:22 > 0:58:26Loads of weather watchers catching the super blue moon, the blood part

0:58:26 > 0:58:29is associated with the lunar eclipse happening on the other side of the

0:58:29 > 0:58:32world. Fantastic photos from the Asia-Pacific region. Many of us got

0:58:32 > 0:58:38to see the big moon in the sky. This is one shot from London. As I said,

0:58:38 > 0:58:42we had loads of photos, really close-up images of the moon, like

0:58:42 > 0:58:45this one in Essex. I am just selecting a few of them, some of my

0:58:45 > 0:58:49favourite ones that we had through last night and through this morning.

0:58:49 > 0:58:53A lovely clear sky to see it. This one looked a little bit orange

0:58:53 > 0:58:58because it is quite low in the horizon. The atmosphere making it

0:58:58 > 0:59:01turn a bit orange. If you were out last night, looking at that, you

0:59:01 > 0:59:05will notice how cold it was. Today, cold wind coming all the way from

0:59:05 > 0:59:09the north. Look at the blue on the map. All of us on the influence of

0:59:09 > 0:59:13this arctic air and a rather brisk northerly wind feeding in some

0:59:13 > 0:59:17wintry showers. Further snow showers to come across Scotland, settling

0:59:17 > 0:59:21snow across the higher ground, down to low levels, still a bit of sleet

0:59:21 > 0:59:24and wet snow at times across Scotland, Northern Ireland, even

0:59:24 > 0:59:28across Wales and parts of south-west England. Elsewhere, it should be

0:59:28 > 0:59:32largely dry. A fair amount of cloud around. Good of sunshine through

0:59:32 > 0:59:36today. It is going to feel quite chilly, though. Factor in that

0:59:36 > 0:59:42northerly wind, these are the wind figures, one to four Celsius this

0:59:42 > 0:59:45afternoon. Through this evening and overnight we still have a rather

0:59:45 > 0:59:49brisk northerly wind. Still continuing to bring showers across

0:59:49 > 0:59:54Scotland. More so down the eastern side of England, East Yorkshire,

0:59:54 > 0:59:57Lincolnshire, Norfolk and Suffolk, some showers here. Clear spells

0:59:57 > 1:00:01further west. We could see a touch of Frost into Friday morning. Those

1:00:01 > 1:00:05are the temperatures in towns and cities. During Friday, quite a

1:00:05 > 1:00:09strong wind across eastern areas, continuing to feed in showers. Not

1:00:09 > 1:00:12very pleasant through the day. Further west, lighter wind and a

1:00:12 > 1:00:17good deal of dry weather with some sunshine for Friday. Temperatures

1:00:17 > 1:00:19about six or eight Celsius, feeling that little bit more pleasant

1:00:19 > 1:00:24further west compared to today. How about the weekend? Running through

1:00:24 > 1:00:27the weekend we have a weather front that is moving in. Then it is going

1:00:27 > 1:00:33to stall on the spine of the UK. It will weaken as we go through Sunday.

1:00:33 > 1:00:39It means we will continue to have this wintry feel. On Saturday, snow

1:00:39 > 1:00:43over Scotland, northern England, perhaps low levels as well. Lots of

1:00:43 > 1:00:49cloud, outbreaks of rain and temperatures four or six Celsius. By

1:00:49 > 1:00:52Sunday, a drier day. Still a bit of cloud for England and Wales. The

1:00:52 > 1:00:55best of the sunshine coming across Scotland and Northern Ireland.

1:00:55 > 1:01:00Temperatures again in the mid-single figures. A real wintry feel as we go

1:01:00 > 1:01:04through the next few days. The buyer.

1:01:04 > 1:01:05Hello.

1:01:05 > 1:01:06It's Thursday.

1:01:06 > 1:01:07It's 10 o'clock.

1:01:07 > 1:01:09I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

1:01:09 > 1:01:13Should EU citizens still be allowed to settle in Britain during the two

1:01:13 > 1:01:15year transition period after Brexit day next year?

1:01:15 > 1:01:18Theresa May has insisted that they shouldn't have the same

1:01:18 > 1:01:24rights as those already living in the UK - but will

1:01:24 > 1:01:31Brussels agree to that?

1:01:31 > 1:01:35Robert says, we are behind you, Mrs May. Don't be bullied.

1:01:35 > 1:01:36Let us know what your view is.

1:01:36 > 1:01:38From Gangs to God -

1:01:38 > 1:01:40we have an exclusive report on the South London church

1:01:40 > 1:01:42where over half of the congregation are reformed gang members.

1:01:42 > 1:01:45A minister there tells us it's vital to relate to the young

1:01:45 > 1:01:46people they're trying to save.

1:01:46 > 1:01:51An elderly person who has never been on the streets of Brixton can't tell

1:01:51 > 1:01:56young boys, don't carry a knife or give them real reasons as to why

1:01:56 > 1:01:59they shouldn't carry a knife. They need to build partnerships with

1:01:59 > 1:02:04community leaders who have been in that position of carrying a knife,

1:02:04 > 1:02:08who have been gang members.

1:02:08 > 1:02:10We'll hear from two former gang members who have now

1:02:10 > 1:02:13turned to God shortly, and speak to the Labour MP

1:02:13 > 1:02:15Sarah Jones, the chair of the all-parliamentary group

1:02:15 > 1:02:16on knife crime.

1:02:16 > 1:02:18And all women in England will now have access

1:02:18 > 1:02:21to a highly effective breast cancer drug, which has been approved

1:02:21 > 1:02:27The drug - called Perjeta - can prolong the lives of women

1:02:27 > 1:02:29with incurable breast cancer by nearly 16 months longer

1:02:29 > 1:02:35than existing treatments.

1:02:35 > 1:02:37Annita is in the BBC Newsroom with the BBC News

1:02:37 > 1:02:41headlines this morning.

1:02:41 > 1:02:48Theresa May says she will fight EU proposals to give residency rights

1:02:48 > 1:02:50to European citizens who move to the UK during

1:02:50 > 1:02:51the Brexit transition period.

1:02:51 > 1:02:56The Prime Minister, who is on a three-day visit

1:02:56 > 1:02:59to China, said there should be a clear difference between people

1:02:59 > 1:03:02who arrive in Britain before March 2019, when the UK is due to leave

1:03:02 > 1:03:10the EU, and those who arrive after that date.

1:03:11 > 1:03:19The disgraced USA gymnastics doctor Larry Nassar abused more than 265

1:03:19 > 1:03:21young athletes in his care, a court has told

1:03:21 > 1:03:24a court in Michigan.

1:03:24 > 1:03:26Last week, Nassar was sentenced to 175 years in jail

1:03:26 > 1:03:29after 160 women testified that he sexually assaulted them.

1:03:29 > 1:03:31Another 65 women are expected to testify in the last three

1:03:31 > 1:03:32sentencing hearings.

1:03:32 > 1:03:34Yesterday, the US gymnastics governing body confirmed that

1:03:34 > 1:03:39all of its remaining directors had resigned over the scandal.

1:03:39 > 1:03:41A key government target for treating people with severe mental health

1:03:41 > 1:03:44conditions in England isn't being met, according to the Liberal

1:03:44 > 1:03:45Democrats.

1:03:45 > 1:03:47The party says it has gathered evidence which shows that

1:03:47 > 1:03:50people experiencing a first episode of psychosis are not getting a

1:03:50 > 1:03:52quality care package.

1:03:52 > 1:03:55NHS England says more than three quarters of

1:03:55 > 1:03:57patients are seen within two weeks and that the research shows a

1:03:57 > 1:04:05partial and dated picture of the services provided.

1:04:07 > 1:04:08Earlier on this programme, Liberal Democrat health spokesman Norman

1:04:08 > 1:04:13Lamb said mental health is still not prioritised in the way serious

1:04:13 > 1:04:17physical health conditions.Only about 25% of the country is

1:04:17 > 1:04:20delivering the full evidence -based treatment package. You would never

1:04:20 > 1:04:24get that encounter. It's like saying to someone, we will give you

1:04:24 > 1:04:28chemotherapy, but not the full treatment programme. And yet we know

1:04:28 > 1:04:33that for every pound spent, you save about £15 in the long-running Ford

1:04:33 > 1:04:38estate because you are giving people the chance of rescuing them, the

1:04:38 > 1:04:39chance of a good life.

1:04:39 > 1:04:41The proportion of people having strokes in their

1:04:41 > 1:04:42forties and fifties has

1:04:42 > 1:04:45risen in the last decade according to Public Health England, which says

1:04:45 > 1:04:4820% of stroke cases now occur in those aged between 40 and 59.

1:04:48 > 1:04:51Obesity, diabetes and sedentary lifestyles are all thought to be

1:04:51 > 1:04:57factors behind the rise.

1:04:57 > 1:05:01Former Chancellor George Osborne says the government must do more to

1:05:01 > 1:05:07tackle poor achievement by children in the north of England.

1:05:07 > 1:05:12A study by the business-led Northern Powerhouse

1:05:12 > 1:05:15partnership found that pupils in the north are on average one GCSE

1:05:15 > 1:05:16grade behind those in the south.

1:05:16 > 1:05:21It also revealed a quarter of secondary

1:05:21 > 1:05:23schools in the north are judged by Ofsted to be

1:05:23 > 1:05:25inadequate or in need of

1:05:25 > 1:05:26improvement.

1:05:26 > 1:05:28Facebook says its users are spending significantly less time

1:05:28 > 1:05:30on the site following changes to its newsfeed content.

1:05:30 > 1:05:31The website's figures show that

1:05:31 > 1:05:34people are spending an average of a minute and a half less

1:05:34 > 1:05:35each day on the network.

1:05:35 > 1:05:37The changes were designed to prioritise posts from friends

1:05:37 > 1:05:39and family while reducing the prominence of content

1:05:39 > 1:05:43from businesses, media and other companies.

1:05:43 > 1:05:47Britain's biggest stars are expected to wear black on the red carpet

1:05:47 > 1:05:50at this month's Bafta film awards, in support of victims of sexual

1:05:50 > 1:05:52harassment and assault.

1:05:52 > 1:05:53Last month, many actors followed

1:05:53 > 1:05:56an all-black dress code at the Golden Globe Awards

1:05:56 > 1:05:58in support of the Time's Up initiative, which was launched

1:05:58 > 1:06:00in the wake of the Harvey Weinstein scandal.

1:06:00 > 1:06:03A letter has circulated around the British film and TV industry,

1:06:03 > 1:06:07inviting those attending the Baftas to take part.

1:06:07 > 1:06:15That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.30.

1:06:16 > 1:06:20Thank you for getting in touch today. I have got another e-mail for

1:06:20 > 1:06:25you, and this is about the fact that Theresa May looks like she's going

1:06:25 > 1:06:30to have with Brussels over freedom of movement, come Brexit day mulches

1:06:30 > 1:06:35at the end of March next year. Good morning, Victoria, I rejoiced that

1:06:35 > 1:06:39at last, the PM is aware of the reason why most of us voted to leave

1:06:39 > 1:06:43the EU. The shortage of housing for British nationals born in the UK is

1:06:43 > 1:06:46resulting in many leaving for Australia and the like. I hope Mrs

1:06:46 > 1:06:51May retains the core value of our intentions and stands her ground on

1:06:51 > 1:06:55this issue. We will talk about that more in the next hour. Your views

1:06:55 > 1:07:00are very welcome.

1:07:00 > 1:07:05Time for the sport. A record-breaking January transfer

1:07:05 > 1:07:12window came to a close last night. A total of £430 million was spent by

1:07:12 > 1:07:15Premier League clubs. That is more money than was spent in the top

1:07:15 > 1:07:18leagues of France, Italy, Spain and Germany over the past month

1:07:18 > 1:07:22combined. Earlier on the programme, we spoke to Dan Jones from the

1:07:22 > 1:07:26accountancy firm Deloitte and he told us why England was so far in

1:07:26 > 1:07:31front.

1:07:31 > 1:07:33It is just in proportion to how well those leagues

1:07:33 > 1:07:34are doing financially.

1:07:34 > 1:07:37England is now so far ahead of the rest of the

1:07:37 > 1:07:39world in terms of the scale of the Premier League.

1:07:39 > 1:07:42There are big clubs in those other countries, but the

1:07:42 > 1:07:48strength and depth of the Premier League is what stands out.

1:07:48 > 1:07:50So that spending on the Premier League is consistent with

1:07:50 > 1:07:54standing with their level as the leading league in football.

1:07:54 > 1:08:04There were seven games last night. A goal was scored inside 11 seconds by

1:08:04 > 1:08:08Christian Eriksen at Wembley. Manchester United are now 15 points

1:08:08 > 1:08:12behind Manchester City, the leaders, who beat West Brom 3-0. Bournemouth

1:08:12 > 1:08:17manager Eddie Howe called their 3-0 win away at the defending champions

1:08:17 > 1:08:21Chelsea their best win in the top flight. Chelsea dropped to fourth in

1:08:21 > 1:08:25the table, but the cherries are once again holding their own in the top

1:08:25 > 1:08:28flight in their third Premier League season. They have moved into the top

1:08:28 > 1:08:35half now.It has to be the best result and the best performance. We

1:08:35 > 1:08:38were excellent today, very aggressive. We tried to take the

1:08:38 > 1:08:41game to Chelsea and implement what we wanted to do. Everyone was

1:08:41 > 1:08:42magnificent.

1:08:42 > 1:08:47West Ham United have apologised after a national newspaper

1:08:47 > 1:08:49reported that their director of player recruitment had admitted

1:08:49 > 1:08:52that they wanted to limit the number of African players at the club

1:08:52 > 1:08:54because "they have a bad attitude" and "cause

1:08:54 > 1:08:56mayhem when not selected".

1:08:56 > 1:08:58Well, in a statement today, the club confirmed "that Director

1:08:58 > 1:09:01of Player Recruitment Tony Henry has been suspended pending a full

1:09:01 > 1:09:02and thorough investigation.

1:09:02 > 1:09:05West Ham United will not tolerate any type of discrimination and has,

1:09:05 > 1:09:07therefore, acted swiftly due to the serious nature

1:09:07 > 1:09:11of these claims."

1:09:11 > 1:09:1428 Russian athletes who were banned from the Olympics for life have

1:09:14 > 1:09:16had their suspensions overturned by the Court of

1:09:16 > 1:09:21Arbitration for Sport.

1:09:21 > 1:09:25Eight days ahead of the start of the Winter Olympics

1:09:25 > 1:09:31in South Korea, 11 more athletes had their appeals against

1:09:31 > 1:09:32the International Olympic Committee ban partially upheld.

1:09:32 > 1:09:35They had been banned by the IOC for doping

1:09:35 > 1:09:36at the 2014 Winter Olympics.

1:09:36 > 1:09:38The IOC say it would consider its own appeal

1:09:38 > 1:09:40to the Swiss Federal Tribunal.

1:09:40 > 1:09:46We're into the last stages of cricket's Big Bash in Australia,

1:09:46 > 1:09:48and there'll be some English representation in the women's final.

1:09:48 > 1:09:51Natalie Sciver hit 38 as her Perth Scorchers side came

1:09:51 > 1:09:54past Sydney Thunder by 27 runs in the semi-final in Perth.

1:09:54 > 1:09:58And the men's side are also looking to reach the final.

1:09:58 > 1:10:00Former England bowler Tim Bresnan has been in the wickets

1:10:00 > 1:10:04for the Perth Scorchers.

1:10:04 > 1:10:12The Hobart Hurricanes are currently 114 for two.

1:10:13 > 1:10:19More updates later.

1:10:19 > 1:10:22The Metropolitan Police want churches to help

1:10:22 > 1:10:25it tackle knife crime.

1:10:25 > 1:10:28They want them to be safe spaces for young people,

1:10:28 > 1:10:30places where they can go and talk to someone.

1:10:30 > 1:10:32This programme's been given exclusive access to a church

1:10:32 > 1:10:34where more than half the congregation are

1:10:34 > 1:10:36former gang members.

1:10:36 > 1:10:39Our reporter Noel Phillips has been to see how it's

1:10:39 > 1:10:42helping young people.

1:10:42 > 1:10:45Here is a short extract of his hill film before we have a conversation

1:10:45 > 1:10:46about this.

1:10:46 > 1:10:51We're in south London inside Spac Nation Ministries,

1:10:51 > 1:10:54a church where religion is being used to reform ex-gang

1:10:54 > 1:10:56members like 26-year-old Kevin, who was recently imprisoned

1:10:56 > 1:10:58for attempted murder.

1:10:58 > 1:11:02Last year and this year is the first, is actually

1:11:02 > 1:11:03the first time that I haven't been into prison.

1:11:03 > 1:11:05So do you see what I'm saying to you?

1:11:05 > 1:11:10It is something that's working.

1:11:10 > 1:11:13gangsters, but now they have

1:11:13 > 1:11:15swapped the streets for the church.

1:11:15 > 1:11:18We have had times when people are coming to the altar

1:11:18 > 1:11:19and dropping their drugs on the altar.

1:11:19 > 1:11:26We're coming where people are dropping their knives on the altar.

1:11:26 > 1:11:29Last week, a young boy that came out of jail,

1:11:29 > 1:11:32I was praying for him, I was holding him and he was crying.

1:11:32 > 1:11:34Just two years ago, Connor, who is now a pastor,

1:11:34 > 1:11:37was facing a ten-year sentence for a string of violent crimes.

1:11:37 > 1:11:42I went to jail for some robberies, possession of a bladed article.

1:11:42 > 1:11:46I was charged with money laundering of £30,000.

1:11:46 > 1:11:49I feel like, if I had come to Spac before I went to, like,

1:11:49 > 1:11:52I was involved in that kind of stuff, I would have been shown

1:11:52 > 1:11:55the right mentorship and guidance to not have to do those

1:11:55 > 1:11:56kind of things.

1:11:56 > 1:11:59A far cry from his past life, this 22-year-old joined a gang

1:11:59 > 1:12:00when he was just 12.

1:12:00 > 1:12:02Do you remember the first time you carried a knife?

1:12:02 > 1:12:07I do, yes, aged 13.

1:12:07 > 1:12:09Yeah, I took it to school but although I didn't

1:12:09 > 1:12:11do nothing with it, it was there for protection.

1:12:11 > 1:12:13It's like reckless abandonment.

1:12:13 > 1:12:15You don't care about what can happen.

1:12:15 > 1:12:18You don't care about the consequences.

1:12:18 > 1:12:21You know, you live in the minute, so you get the knife,

1:12:21 > 1:12:24you put it in your pocket, you don't think about, "Oh,

1:12:24 > 1:12:27there's police down the road", or, "What if I get into a problem that

1:12:27 > 1:12:28I actually have to use this?"

1:12:28 > 1:12:30Pastor Tobi Adegboyega is the man responsible

1:12:30 > 1:12:32for transforming their lives.

1:12:32 > 1:12:40Over 55% of the people in the church were ex-gang members, drug dealers.

1:12:40 > 1:12:43So the police and the authorities don't really know

1:12:43 > 1:12:45what to do right now.

1:12:45 > 1:12:50They look to me like they are confused.

1:12:50 > 1:12:54And so, call it a church, call it whatever we want to call it,

1:12:54 > 1:12:57it has to be the role of somebody.

1:12:57 > 1:13:00But people on social media have accused the 37-year-old pastor

1:13:00 > 1:13:04of running a cult-like ministry, something he denies.

1:13:04 > 1:13:06At his home, Pastor Tobi has 14 ex-offenders living

1:13:06 > 1:13:12with him from his church.

1:13:12 > 1:13:16They need shelter.

1:13:16 > 1:13:20That's not shelter from ex-gang people chasing them.

1:13:20 > 1:13:22The mind, the mind is the factory for everything,

1:13:22 > 1:13:24and I have got to do that.

1:13:24 > 1:13:27Again, I stumbled into this.

1:13:27 > 1:13:32It's not a plan.

1:13:32 > 1:13:35It is not something we sat down and said

1:13:35 > 1:13:37we were going to have.

1:13:37 > 1:13:40But I will deal with cases and ask myself, "Where do I want him to go?"

1:13:40 > 1:13:43The Metropolitan Police has welcomed Pastor Tobi's approach and say

1:13:43 > 1:13:48they want more churches like this to help reduce knife crime.

1:13:48 > 1:13:52Let's meet two other young men who SPAC Nation has also helped.

1:13:52 > 1:13:56Enrique Uwabiae - a former gang member from Brixton, South London,

1:13:56 > 1:13:58has been stabbed three times and is now SPAC Nation's

1:13:58 > 1:14:02youngest pastor.

1:14:02 > 1:14:05Samuel Akokhia joined a gang at age 12, has been involved in stabbings

1:14:05 > 1:14:10and served four years in prison for robbery.

1:14:10 > 1:14:13He is now a mentor, businessman and pastor.

1:14:13 > 1:14:18And the Labour MP Sarah Jones - she's chair of the all-party

1:14:18 > 1:14:21parliamentary group on knife crime - and has also visited Spac Nation,

1:14:21 > 1:14:27which is in her constituency.

1:14:27 > 1:14:32Welcome, all of you.

1:14:32 > 1:14:34Enrique, you're a former gang member yourself.

1:14:34 > 1:14:36You've been arrested for attempted murder,

1:14:36 > 1:14:38violent disorder, criminal damage and carrying a knife.

1:14:38 > 1:14:42You have been involved in many dangerous activities.

1:14:42 > 1:14:44You've been stabbed on three separate occasions.

1:14:44 > 1:14:48We can see a picture of you in a hospital

1:14:48 > 1:14:51bed.

1:14:51 > 1:14:52You nearly died.

1:14:52 > 1:15:00What was motivating you to pursue a life of violent crime?

1:15:00 > 1:15:03I would say it was poverty at first.

1:15:03 > 1:15:08I would say it was poverty at first. It was about getting money?At first

1:15:08 > 1:15:11it started, getting money, not having enough. That is what pushed

1:15:11 > 1:15:15me to wanting to get more. Of course, that age, you don't really

1:15:15 > 1:15:19think of getting a job, you think getting a job is not going to

1:15:19 > 1:15:25provide for your needs, so to speak. That kind of drove me and my friends

1:15:25 > 1:15:28to commit certain crimes in order to get money. That is how it started,

1:15:28 > 1:15:36the age of 14.Alongside that he would produce in various rap videos,

1:15:36 > 1:15:39encouraging people to join gangs for the same purpose, because you do

1:15:39 > 1:15:42need to get a job, you could get more money if you rob this

1:15:42 > 1:15:47institution or this home?The music videos were not really to encourage

1:15:47 > 1:15:51people to live the life I was living. I think I was just doing

1:15:51 > 1:15:55music because it was my passion. I used to make music from when I was

1:15:55 > 1:16:01young.Once you are in a gang, how difficult is it to get out? You

1:16:01 > 1:16:07joined aged 12?It can be quite difficult to get out of a gang,

1:16:07 > 1:16:11because it starts off with a group of friends. It is not necessarily

1:16:11 > 1:16:15people who decided, OK, we're going to form a gallon. It is people that

1:16:15 > 1:16:18have grown up together, they have lived together, eaten together, most

1:16:18 > 1:16:22of their lives, for certain years of their life, so it can be difficult

1:16:22 > 1:16:28to turn around to say to your friends you don't want to live this

1:16:28 > 1:16:32life any more.How would you describe a teenage years?Mine were

1:16:32 > 1:16:37very, very violent. Very violent. It started with just pure violence at

1:16:37 > 1:16:40the beginning, but then it evolved into crime as well. We started

1:16:40 > 1:16:47having hunger for money and for things to do with what we perceived

1:16:47 > 1:16:52as success at the time. You know, having a lot of money, having a lot

1:16:52 > 1:16:55of girls, having a lot of things that were glorified in our inner

1:16:55 > 1:17:02circles, you know? Then by the age of 17 I started getting involved in

1:17:02 > 1:17:10major robberies and things like that, that would be things that I

1:17:10 > 1:17:17would never expect myself to be involved in, you know? Then by 18 I

1:17:17 > 1:17:21was in prison. By the time I came out of prison, I was no longer a

1:17:21 > 1:17:27teenager. I was what we would call a young adult.A few days after you

1:17:27 > 1:17:33left prison, four days after, you got

1:17:37 > 1:17:42got introduced to Pastor Tobi?With Pastor Tobi, I actually came to Spac

1:17:42 > 1:17:48Nation in 2016.Sorry to interrupt, you are in a gang, you have done the

1:17:48 > 1:17:53violent stuff, you had come out of prison and you don't want to go

1:17:53 > 1:18:00straight back into prison. A self appointed pastor comes up to you and

1:18:00 > 1:18:04says, come to our church. You are just not going to go, are you? It

1:18:04 > 1:18:11can't be as simple as that?You will go if you see an alternative. As a

1:18:11 > 1:18:15young man, I was looking for money, I was looking for relevance, I was

1:18:15 > 1:18:19looking for love, certain things I was looking for. If somebody would

1:18:19 > 1:18:23come to me and offer me that lifestyle, without me getting

1:18:23 > 1:18:27involved in crime and having to risk my own life, I would go for it. That

1:18:27 > 1:18:31option and alternative was provided for me and that caused the change.

1:18:31 > 1:18:35Someone saying, you can get a decent job and you can still... I don't

1:18:35 > 1:18:42know, still have a Gucci watch and a designer pair of trainers?I don't

1:18:42 > 1:18:45think it is necessary that simple. That is what I am trying to get to.

1:18:45 > 1:18:52People are looking for something. If I use my own story as an example,

1:18:52 > 1:19:00when I came out of prison, I had plans to go back to drug dealing.

1:19:00 > 1:19:05Did you?Yes, I made those plans in prison. But an interaction with

1:19:05 > 1:19:10Pastor Tobi changed my perception of life completely.What did he say to

1:19:10 > 1:19:15you?First of all, it started with care, he said, what isn't? I had

1:19:15 > 1:19:22never been treated with such respect. The kind of society that we

1:19:22 > 1:19:30come from, it is almost like you do not have an opinion. You order

1:19:30 > 1:19:35somebody that his plans to go -- you just somebody that is supposed to go

1:19:35 > 1:19:39to lie. He says, what do you intend to do now? He showed me his

1:19:39 > 1:19:44lifestyle. I have lived in his house. I have seen the way he lives.

1:19:44 > 1:19:51That inspires me. From wanting to go back and do drugs, to living in this

1:19:51 > 1:20:00house, being inspired, seven years down the line I am a businessman,

1:20:00 > 1:20:05down the line I am a businessman, a mentor in a community in London. I

1:20:05 > 1:20:10am also an entrepreneur in many different ways, and being a Pastor

1:20:10 > 1:20:14It is a life I would never have dreamt of, but because I saw one

1:20:14 > 1:20:18man, the leader of Spac Nation, I am able to say this is the life that I

1:20:18 > 1:20:22want to live and impact other lives. What you would then say is that I

1:20:22 > 1:20:26think people don't see an alternative, they see people that

1:20:26 > 1:20:30are passionate about something. That passion is what they have been

1:20:30 > 1:20:37looking to do or be passionate about.What do you think?I think it

1:20:37 > 1:20:42is amazing. I think what these men are doing is stepping up, and they

1:20:42 > 1:20:47are saying we know what happened to us, we have that lived experience

1:20:47 > 1:20:51that means you can relate to other people in the same position. They

1:20:51 > 1:20:55are stepping up and saying, we care, we want everybody to have the same

1:20:55 > 1:20:59opportunities we have now got. For me, as an MP, I want to learn from

1:20:59 > 1:21:03that and I want us to go, as politicians, we need to step up as

1:21:03 > 1:21:06well. We are at a bit of a crossroads with this knife crime

1:21:06 > 1:21:11stuff. It has gone up massively over the last few years. We can either

1:21:11 > 1:21:14let it carry on going up and up, and give up on a whole generation of

1:21:14 > 1:21:19people that are desensitised to violence, or we can say, well, we

1:21:19 > 1:21:22need to do something. They are stepping up, so we should step up

1:21:22 > 1:21:28to. There is nothing more effective, I think, than young people who have

1:21:28 > 1:21:33been through an experience, to be able to... I have met so many young

1:21:33 > 1:21:38people that are coming out of what they have been through because they

1:21:38 > 1:21:41have got mentors, they have seen people that have given them a choice

1:21:41 > 1:21:44and they have given them another alternative to getting involved in

1:21:44 > 1:21:48crime. You were involved at 12, how do you know what you were doing at

1:21:48 > 1:21:5312 years old? Those choices you make there, it is not your fault that you

1:21:53 > 1:21:57got into that situation. You need somebody to get you out.You said

1:21:57 > 1:22:01that about half of your congregation used to be in a gang. How do you

1:22:01 > 1:22:07know they are not carrying out criminal activities right now?The

1:22:07 > 1:22:12reason why we do is because, again, church is usually idolised as an

1:22:12 > 1:22:20institution, but what we have is a very close family bond. We almost

1:22:20 > 1:22:24live each day with each other. Of course, we go to work, we do what we

1:22:24 > 1:22:30need to do, but then we all have meetings with friends. Why we are

1:22:30 > 1:22:33confident is because each person has friends in which they can connect

1:22:33 > 1:22:36with and live life with.You are saying you were just know because

1:22:36 > 1:22:42you are so close to everybody?Well, we can't vouch for everybody, that's

1:22:42 > 1:22:47the truth. But what we can know about, those that truly do go to

1:22:47 > 1:22:52Spac Nation, we know that they are seeing something better and they are

1:22:52 > 1:22:59willing to leave that I find totally.OK. Lucy

1:23:00 > 1:23:02totally.OK. Lucy tweeting, huge admiration for the men on your

1:23:02 > 1:23:06programme today discussing gangs and violence. Another, it is so good

1:23:06 > 1:23:10that more young people in London are finding a purposeful life. It breaks

1:23:10 > 1:23:15my heart to see youths lost to gangs. Lee says this is great work

1:23:15 > 1:23:25and I love it. You are the youngest ordained Pastor in Spac Nation, and

1:23:25 > 1:23:29currently a second-year undergraduate, studying...

1:23:29 > 1:23:34International business management. How do you reflect on the completely

1:23:34 > 1:23:43opposite contrast in your life from how it was to now?Tend to live my

1:23:43 > 1:23:48life very open. I used to make music, I was very well-known. People

1:23:48 > 1:23:54can clearly the lifestyle I used to live and who I am now. One thing I

1:23:54 > 1:23:58always tell young people is that, I just literally let them know that if

1:23:58 > 1:24:01I could be a gang member, being stabbed at the age of 17, nearly

1:24:01 > 1:24:09dying and stuff like that, but now I am not just the youngest Pastor in

1:24:09 > 1:24:14Spac Nation, but a leader in that, if it is possible for me, it is

1:24:14 > 1:24:26possible for you. If mental -- if mentors are provided, you can get

1:24:26 > 1:24:28somewhere in Spac Nation.And you can meet other people in that

1:24:28 > 1:24:33lifestyle?They are able to relate with me. It is not that it comes

1:24:33 > 1:24:40from a distant person, they can go on you Tube and see the life I live.

1:24:40 > 1:24:43-- YouTube. That inspires them and give them hope to be able to live a

1:24:43 > 1:24:53different life.For me, personally, it is about being able to show

1:24:53 > 1:24:59results, life stories. Not just our own, but we have many we have seen

1:24:59 > 1:25:02from that feature, Kevin was in prison maybe a couple of years ago

1:25:02 > 1:25:07for attempted murder. He comes out and now is an entrepreneur, a

1:25:07 > 1:25:12director, he has not been back to prison, he has not been involved in

1:25:12 > 1:25:17any dealings with the police since he has been introduced to

1:25:17 > 1:25:21entrepreneurship. Using that as examples for young people as well,

1:25:21 > 1:25:27that helps us not just Kevin, but many young men that have come from

1:25:27 > 1:25:30Croydon and now have offices in Mayfair. There are a lot of things

1:25:30 > 1:25:34that we can now point to as practical results of young people

1:25:34 > 1:25:38that have changed their lives.I want to put this to all of you

1:25:38 > 1:25:41briefly. Helen, wonderful to see young people choosing to change

1:25:41 > 1:25:45their lives. Appalling, though, that it is being led by a religious

1:25:45 > 1:25:48organisation. How can a sophisticated Western country rely

1:25:48 > 1:25:52on a religious organisation to offer alternatives to a life of crime?

1:25:52 > 1:25:57What do you say to that?Absolutely, these guys have just explained how

1:25:57 > 1:26:02they got into this situation, poverty. Imagine if we, as

1:26:02 > 1:26:04politicians, and as wider society, took responsibility for poverty and

1:26:04 > 1:26:13did something about it.Sorry, it wasn't... If I have understood you

1:26:13 > 1:26:15correctly, it wasn't necessarily about poverty, it was about wanting

1:26:15 > 1:26:19to get more money and not necessarily doing it by conventional

1:26:19 > 1:26:25routes, is that fair?No. I wouldn't say so. I would say it is poverty

1:26:25 > 1:26:30and not being able to have the opportunities at a time, to get

1:26:30 > 1:26:36finances in a more good way.So, things like education, loads of kids

1:26:36 > 1:26:39now are increasingly being expelled from school. When you are excluded

1:26:39 > 1:26:43from school, you can easily go down a path. These guys are picking up on

1:26:43 > 1:26:47some of them, but it is the government's responsibility, it is

1:26:47 > 1:26:50the school's response ability, it is the hospital's response ability. We

1:26:50 > 1:26:54could fund youth workers in all A&Es, so if you come in and have

1:26:54 > 1:26:59been stabbed, there is somebody there to say, hang on, let's see if

1:26:59 > 1:27:04we can change your life. We all need to step up to the plate.Thank you

1:27:04 > 1:27:11very much. Go on?I was going to say, I disagree with the fact that

1:27:11 > 1:27:16it shouldn't be led by a religious institution. The reason being, most

1:27:16 > 1:27:20of the young people that we see, giving myself as an example, we grew

1:27:20 > 1:27:24up in church. We grew up in church and we left the church because we

1:27:24 > 1:27:28were looking for an alternative lifestyle. So, I think the church

1:27:28 > 1:27:31has to be part of the solution to provide alternative lifestyle for

1:27:31 > 1:27:39these young people.OK, thank you very much.

1:27:45 > 1:27:48The British people did not vote to leave the EU

1:27:48 > 1:27:49"for nothing to change".

1:27:49 > 1:27:51So said Theresa May, as she insisted that EU citizens

1:27:51 > 1:27:54who move to the UK after Brexit in March, 2019, could not

1:27:54 > 1:27:56have the same rights as those already here,

1:27:56 > 1:28:03even during the transition period.

1:28:03 > 1:28:17Lets talk to Norman Smith.Theresa May seems to be gearing up for a

1:28:17 > 1:28:20full on head-to-head showdown with the EU over one of the issues that

1:28:20 > 1:28:25was at the centre of the whole Brexit referendum, namely freedom of

1:28:25 > 1:28:29movement, immigration, EU citizens coming to the UK. Because the EU are

1:28:29 > 1:28:35saying that, during this transition period, this two year transition

1:28:35 > 1:28:40period from next year, they want freedom of movement to continue

1:28:40 > 1:28:45absolutely as it is at the moment. What that means is not just that EU

1:28:45 > 1:28:50citizens can still come here and live here, and work here, it also

1:28:50 > 1:28:54means they can stay here and they also have access to a whole load of

1:28:54 > 1:29:00other rights. For example, they have the right to education, the rights

1:29:00 > 1:29:05to bring in family members. She is saying, that is not on, it is a

1:29:05 > 1:29:09transition phase, we will have left the EU, so you can't expect freedom

1:29:09 > 1:29:14of movement to continue with no changes. It is shaping up to be a

1:29:14 > 1:29:18major bust up. As we know, immigration was a huge issue in the

1:29:18 > 1:29:22referendum. But more than that, her own Brexiteers are on the warpath

1:29:22 > 1:29:28and are, in effect, saying, no more compromises, you have already agreed

1:29:28 > 1:29:32to pay a divorce Bill, you cannot compromise any further over the

1:29:32 > 1:29:36issue of freedom of movement. We have just been hearing from the

1:29:36 > 1:29:40Brexit Secretary, David Davis, being pressed about this in the Commons.

1:29:40 > 1:29:43If you listen closely to what he says, you will see that he doesn't

1:29:43 > 1:29:48offer any reassurances about allowing EU migrants to continue to

1:29:48 > 1:29:51enjoy the same sorts of rights as they currently have. Just have a

1:29:51 > 1:29:57listen.

1:29:57 > 1:29:59We'll be discussing in some detail with the European Union

1:29:59 > 1:30:01the treatment of people after the actual departure

1:30:01 > 1:30:05from the union, and he must take it as read, as I've said several times,

1:30:05 > 1:30:06that they will be treated properly,

1:30:06 > 1:30:09that we will not do anything which will undermine our economy

1:30:09 > 1:30:12and we will do everything possible to ensure that the industries we've

1:30:12 > 1:30:17talked about are supported.

1:30:18 > 1:30:22So what is next?There is going to be an almighty tussle, and I suppose

1:30:22 > 1:30:27what is putting ministers on edges that we are not in the most harmonic

1:30:27 > 1:30:31position at the moment. The reason for that is that we are slightly at

1:30:31 > 1:30:36sixes and sevens. We haven't really forged a clear strategy about what

1:30:36 > 1:30:41we are trying to achieve with Brexit. There is ongoing division

1:30:41 > 1:30:45amongst ministers, and at the same time there is the sniping about Mrs

1:30:45 > 1:30:49May, and EU negotiators will be watching this and thinking, right,

1:30:49 > 1:30:52we can throw our weight around a bit, because Mrs May is in a wobbly

1:30:52 > 1:30:58position. So when it comes to the negotiations, Mrs May is having to

1:30:58 > 1:31:01look over her shoulder at the Brexiteers who are breathing fire

1:31:01 > 1:31:05and brimstone at her, and then look across the table at the EU

1:31:05 > 1:31:09negotiators who are saying, bring it on. It's going to be tough, but she

1:31:09 > 1:31:13has decided to draw a line on this issue and says she will not give

1:31:13 > 1:31:18ground about allowing freedom of movement just to continue unchanged.

1:31:18 > 1:31:21Changing the subject, there is going to be a question in the Commons

1:31:21 > 1:31:25about the big firm capital.This is hugely worrying for many people.

1:31:25 > 1:31:31It's a bit like Carillion, the other big firm which does so many public

1:31:31 > 1:31:36sector jobs. Capita is like Carillion with knobs on, because

1:31:36 > 1:31:39Carillion employs around 19,000 people. Capita employs 50,000

1:31:39 > 1:31:47people. It does everything from managing the London congestion

1:31:47 > 1:31:50charge to back-office administration in GP surgeries. I think it does

1:31:50 > 1:31:55some of the personal independence payment assessments. It does a vast

1:31:55 > 1:31:59range of public sector jobs. Yesterday, its share price went into

1:31:59 > 1:32:03a steep nosedive, down by about 40% following a profit warning from the

1:32:03 > 1:32:12bosses. Of course, the series, here we go again. Could Capita be another

1:32:12 > 1:32:14Carillion? That would be terrifying for the thousands of people who work

1:32:14 > 1:32:21for them. The slight nervousness among politicians is that they don't

1:32:21 > 1:32:25want to ring alarm bells. They don't want to make Capita's position even

1:32:25 > 1:32:31more precarious by saying, oh, my goodness, here we go again. So it

1:32:31 > 1:32:34will be interesting to see how the government response to this debate.

1:32:34 > 1:32:39When it came to Carillion, they faced a loss of criticism for the

1:32:39 > 1:32:43fact that they were still handing out whopping contract to Carillion

1:32:43 > 1:32:47when it got into difficulties, including HS2. So it is a delicate

1:32:47 > 1:32:51path they will have to tread. Cheers, Norman.

1:32:51 > 1:32:53Still to come:

1:32:53 > 1:32:57The breast cancer treatment described as life-changing has been

1:32:57 > 1:33:00given the final go-ahead for routine NHS use in England.

1:33:00 > 1:33:04And following the success of the Time's Up campaign

1:33:04 > 1:33:06at the Golden Globe awards, some of Britain's stars are expected

1:33:06 > 1:33:08to wear black at this year's Bafta awards,

1:33:08 > 1:33:12in protest against sexual harassment.

1:33:12 > 1:33:13Time for the latest news.

1:33:13 > 1:33:17Here's Annita.

1:33:17 > 1:33:20Theresa May says she will fight EU proposals to give residency rights

1:33:20 > 1:33:24to European citizens who move to the UK during

1:33:24 > 1:33:30the Brexit transition period.

1:33:30 > 1:33:32The Prime Minister, who is on a three-day visit

1:33:32 > 1:33:35to China, said there should be a clear difference between people

1:33:35 > 1:33:38who arrive in Britain before March 2019, when the UK is due to leave

1:33:38 > 1:33:44the EU, and those who arrive after that date.

1:33:44 > 1:33:47The disgraced USA gymnastics doctor Larry Nassar abused more than 265

1:33:47 > 1:33:53young athletes in his care, a court has told

1:33:53 > 1:33:55young athletes in his care, a judge has told

1:33:55 > 1:33:56a court in Michigan.

1:33:56 > 1:33:59Last week, Nassar was sentenced to 175 years in jail

1:33:59 > 1:34:01after 160 women testified that he sexually assaulted them.

1:34:01 > 1:34:03Another 65 women are expected to testify in the last three

1:34:03 > 1:34:04sentencing hearings.

1:34:04 > 1:34:06Yesterday, the US gymnastics governing body confirmed that

1:34:06 > 1:34:13all of its remaining directors had resigned over the scandal.

1:34:13 > 1:34:15A key government target for treating people with severe mental health

1:34:15 > 1:34:18conditions in England isn't being met, according to the Liberal

1:34:18 > 1:34:19Democrats.

1:34:19 > 1:34:21The party says it has gathered evidence which shows that

1:34:21 > 1:34:24people experiencing a first episode of psychosis are not getting a

1:34:24 > 1:34:25quality care package.

1:34:25 > 1:34:27NHS England says more than three quarters of

1:34:27 > 1:34:30patients are seen within two weeks and that the research shows a

1:34:30 > 1:34:35partial and dated picture of the services provided.

1:34:35 > 1:34:38The proportion of people having strokes in their

1:34:38 > 1:34:42forties and fifties has

1:34:42 > 1:34:45risen in the last decade according to Public Health England, which says

1:34:45 > 1:34:4920% of stroke cases now occur in those aged between 40 and 59.

1:34:49 > 1:34:51Obesity, diabetes and sedentary lifestyles are all thought to be

1:34:51 > 1:34:55factors behind the rise.

1:34:55 > 1:35:01Facebook says its users are spending significantly less time

1:35:01 > 1:35:04on the site following changes to its newsfeed content.

1:35:04 > 1:35:05The website's figures show that

1:35:05 > 1:35:08people are spending an average of a minute and a half less

1:35:08 > 1:35:10each day on the network.

1:35:10 > 1:35:12The changes were designed to prioritise posts from friends

1:35:12 > 1:35:14and family while reducing the prominence of content

1:35:14 > 1:35:16from businesses, media and other companies.

1:35:16 > 1:35:24That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

1:35:25 > 1:35:28A murder investigation has been launched following the death of an

1:35:28 > 1:35:32inmate at Wormwood Scrubs jail in Shepherd's Bush in London. Police

1:35:32 > 1:35:36were called last night following reports of a stabbing

1:35:36 > 1:35:36were called last night following reports of a stabbing. An inmate was

1:35:36 > 1:35:41pronounced dead at the scene and four men, all prisoners at Wormwood

1:35:41 > 1:35:45Scrubs jail, have been arrested on suspicion of murder.

1:35:45 > 1:35:50Here's some sport now with Hugh.

1:35:50 > 1:35:53Jose Mourinho was left angered by what he called a ridiculous

1:35:53 > 1:35:55start to Manchester United's 2-0 defeat to Spurs in the

1:35:55 > 1:35:56Premier League last night.

1:35:56 > 1:35:58Midfielder Christian Eriksen opened the scoring after just

1:35:58 > 1:35:5911 seconds at Wembley -

1:35:59 > 1:36:04the third-fastest goal in Premier League history.

1:36:04 > 1:36:09Chelsea boss Antonio Conte admitted he felt there was real

1:36:09 > 1:36:11danger his side may fail to reach next season's Champions League

1:36:11 > 1:36:19after a shock 3-0 defeat to Bournemouth at Stamford Bridge.

1:36:19 > 1:36:22Their former player Nathan acquis scored at Bournemouth as well.

1:36:22 > 1:36:24Football's transfer window ended last night with a total

1:36:24 > 1:36:26of £430 million spent in the Premier League

1:36:26 > 1:36:31during January - 150 million of which was outlaid yesterday.

1:36:31 > 1:36:3428 Russian athletes who were banned from the Olympics for life have

1:36:34 > 1:36:35had their suspensions overturned by the Court

1:36:35 > 1:36:39of Arbitration for Sport.

1:36:39 > 1:36:41More on that after 11.

1:36:41 > 1:36:44It's time to bring you up to date in the trial of former football

1:36:44 > 1:36:46coach Barry Bennell.

1:36:46 > 1:36:48Yesterday, the court in Liverpool heard that the former

1:36:48 > 1:36:50Celtic Manager Neil Lennon walked in on a 13-year-old boy shortly

1:36:50 > 1:36:57after he had been sexually abused by Barry Bennell.

1:36:57 > 1:36:59The 64-year-old denies 48 counts of abuse.

1:36:59 > 1:37:05Our reporter Jim Reed has been following the case.

1:37:05 > 1:37:08Yes, this is the trial of Barry Bennell, the former football coach

1:37:08 > 1:37:13who denies 48 counts of historical sexual abuse in this trial.

1:37:13 > 1:37:16Yesterday, the court heard from one of the 11 alleged victims in this

1:37:16 > 1:37:22case. This man played for Crewe Alexandra as a schoolboy footballer

1:37:22 > 1:37:27in the 1980s. It is there that he alleges he was abused by Mr Bennell

1:37:27 > 1:37:31over a number of years. He told the jury about one time he said he was

1:37:31 > 1:37:36taken by Mr Bennell to an address near Stoke or in Stoke. It is there

1:37:36 > 1:37:41that he claimed he was sexually abused in a caravan outside his

1:37:41 > 1:37:45house. Not long after that, he says an older teenager walked into this

1:37:45 > 1:37:51caravan. He told the jury, that man I now know to be Neil Lennon. He was

1:37:51 > 1:37:54staying in those digs. Neil Lennon would have been a young player lock

1:37:54 > 1:38:01you Alexandra at that time. He went on to play in Northern Ireland as an

1:38:01 > 1:38:04international and managed Celtic. He is now the head coach at Hibernian

1:38:04 > 1:38:07Football Club in Scotland. There is no suggestion that he may have been

1:38:07 > 1:38:11aware of what happened or that he was guilty of any wrongdoing himself

1:38:11 > 1:38:16here. It is just what was reported in court.And then the player was

1:38:16 > 1:38:21asked about a trip to the United States, wasn't he?Yeah. This man

1:38:21 > 1:38:25said he was taken on a trip to Florida by Mr Bennell. He alleges he

1:38:25 > 1:38:30was then taken to a motel room near Orlando, where he says he was raped.

1:38:30 > 1:38:38Mr Bennell's QC, a woman called a loss, is defending Mr Bennell and

1:38:38 > 1:38:41she says that Mr Bennell accepts that he did sexually abused this

1:38:41 > 1:38:45point between the ages of 12 and 13, but he denies the more serious

1:38:45 > 1:38:48charges including rape. So under cross examination, she asked the

1:38:48 > 1:38:52alleged victim, have you been encouraged by anyone to exaggerate

1:38:52 > 1:38:55what happened to you? He replied no

1:38:55 > 1:38:55encouraged by anyone to exaggerate what happened to you? He replied no.

1:38:55 > 1:38:59Mr Bennell denies 48 counts of abuse in this case. The trial continues

1:38:59 > 1:39:06later today.Thank you very much.

1:39:06 > 1:39:09And thank you for your messages about the interview with the former

1:39:09 > 1:39:12gang members who have turned their lives around and now go out to

1:39:12 > 1:39:18mentor other people in gangs. Jackie says, a church with former gang

1:39:18 > 1:39:21members, well spoken black men making the change. I am very proud.

1:39:21 > 1:39:26That is the power of God. Ruth says, massive respect for the church. If

1:39:26 > 1:39:30anyone wants to criticise them, they must be willing to provide an

1:39:30 > 1:39:34alternative. Elisabeth Seitz, anything that encourages people to

1:39:34 > 1:39:38give up a life of crime, drugs and violence and is successful, has got

1:39:38 > 1:39:41to be a good thing for the whole population. We should definitely

1:39:41 > 1:39:45learn from it and encourage their good work. And another says is

1:39:45 > 1:39:49wonderful to see young men being given the chance to be someone new.

1:39:49 > 1:39:52May they know a lifetime of peace and hope in their lives be an

1:39:52 > 1:39:59example of God's goodness.

1:39:59 > 1:40:01example of God's goodness. Thank you for those and you are welcome to get

1:40:01 > 1:40:03in touch.

1:40:03 > 1:40:06More than a thousand women now stand to benefit from a highly

1:40:06 > 1:40:07effective breast cancer drug, which has been approved

1:40:07 > 1:40:09for routine use on the NHS.

1:40:09 > 1:40:13Perjeta can prolong the lives of women with incurable breast

1:40:13 > 1:40:16cancer by nearly 16 months longer than the existing treatments.

1:40:16 > 1:40:18Up until now, it's only been available through

1:40:18 > 1:40:19the Cancer Drugs Fund.

1:40:19 > 1:40:25Now all women in England will have access to it.

1:40:25 > 1:40:28Here now is Bonnie Fox, who was diagnosed with advanced

1:40:28 > 1:40:31breast cancer three years ago, when she was 37 and had just

1:40:31 > 1:40:33given birth to her son.

1:40:33 > 1:40:35She has been on Perjeta ever since.

1:40:35 > 1:40:43And Fiona Hazel is from the charity Breast Cancer Now.

1:40:47 > 1:40:51Let me ask you both firstly for your reaction to the fact that the is

1:40:51 > 1:40:58approving this drug for routine use in the NHS in England?It is

1:40:58 > 1:41:01brilliant news that it has been approved. It is a drug that has

1:41:01 > 1:41:07meant so much to me and has enabled me to do so much and enable me to

1:41:07 > 1:41:11live my life with normality, which is the most important thing. It has

1:41:11 > 1:41:15been to a half years since my diagnosis and at the diagnosis, I

1:41:15 > 1:41:19couldn't see further than that. Now I have been able to live with

1:41:19 > 1:41:22normality, and that is so important. So it's brilliant news that people

1:41:22 > 1:41:26will be able to access it. There is definitely more work to do to make

1:41:26 > 1:41:35sure it is available across the UK and also

1:41:35 > 1:41:42and also available more flexibly to all patients.Fiona Hazell, how do

1:41:42 > 1:41:49you respond to this?As Bonnie says, at breast cancer now, we think it's

1:41:49 > 1:41:53great news. For 3000 women in England, they will now be able to be

1:41:53 > 1:41:57confident that they can access this drug. This drug offers them a real

1:41:57 > 1:42:02extension of life, 16 months of extra time compared to the existing

1:42:02 > 1:42:08treatments. That is significant in itself. It is also significant

1:42:08 > 1:42:13because Perjeta is a combination treatment. It is notoriously

1:42:13 > 1:42:17difficult to assess this type of drug in the system to make sure it

1:42:17 > 1:42:20reaches patients. It has taken a long time to get Perjeta to this

1:42:20 > 1:42:27point. I guess what we are really adjusted in now is whether this is

1:42:27 > 1:42:30an exception to the rule or whether this is the start of a new way of

1:42:30 > 1:42:34looking at these drugs, because there are more drugs like Perjeta

1:42:34 > 1:42:37coming to that offer significant clinical benefit to patients and are

1:42:37 > 1:42:40cost-effective, but even if they were given away for free, would not

1:42:40 > 1:42:45get through the process. So we want to understand whether this is the

1:42:45 > 1:42:51start of something new.My understanding is that we are at this

1:42:51 > 1:42:58point now with Perjeta because the pharmaceutical company

1:42:58 > 1:43:00pharmaceutical company Bennell came up with an agreement on the cost. Is

1:43:00 > 1:43:06it more than that?We don't know the details of the final bill that has

1:43:06 > 1:43:11been done, but they have reached a deal on cost. Perjeta it essentially

1:43:11 > 1:43:14given in combination with chemotherapy and another drug called

1:43:14 > 1:43:19Herceptin. It is then

1:43:20 > 1:43:24Herceptin. It is then assessed by Nice as a total cost and that causes

1:43:24 > 1:43:27a problem in the current system because it is not set up to deal

1:43:27 > 1:43:31with possessing drugs on a cost basis like that. And there are other

1:43:31 > 1:43:35drugs like that coming down the line.It is worth explaining which

1:43:35 > 1:43:39women with breast cancer that affects, because it is not all of

1:43:39 > 1:43:45them.No. It is basically relevant to women with incurable or secondary

1:43:45 > 1:43:48breast cancer who don't have a huge amount of treatment options. It is a

1:43:48 > 1:43:55specific type of breast cancer, so it is not right for all women, but

1:43:55 > 1:44:01it is irrelevant to around 1300 women in England each year -- it is

1:44:01 > 1:44:05relevant for 1300 women. The other point is that we would hope that

1:44:05 > 1:44:11both in Wales and Northern Ireland, they will follow Nice's guidance so

1:44:11 > 1:44:14that Northern Ireland and Wales will get access to this drug. We remain

1:44:14 > 1:44:19concerned about Scotland, where the Scottish medicines Consortium have

1:44:19 > 1:44:24rejected Perjeta three times already.I have a question from a

1:44:24 > 1:44:29woman on Twitter or Facebook, saying, camerawomen drive from

1:44:29 > 1:44:33Scotland to England to get access to this?I have known women who have

1:44:33 > 1:44:39had to move from Scotland to England to be able to access this drug.

1:44:39 > 1:44:43Having incurable cancer is stressful enough without having to move to

1:44:43 > 1:44:50access the drug.

1:44:50 > 1:44:53access the drug. It causes stress for patients. They hear that the

1:44:53 > 1:44:56drug has been approved, but when they look into the finer details,

1:44:56 > 1:45:02they find that they can't access it. It causes extra stress in an already

1:45:02 > 1:45:07stressful situation.

1:45:07 > 1:45:11The important thing is that NICE and the manufacturer have proven a deal

1:45:11 > 1:45:17could be done, in spite of people saying it couldn't. So we need to

1:45:17 > 1:45:20get back on the table and find a deal that works for patients and

1:45:20 > 1:45:26taxpayers, because it can be done. It is a great positive. You know, it

1:45:26 > 1:45:29is amazing that it has been approved and people can benefit in the same

1:45:29 > 1:45:36way that I have. It is deathly worth celebrating. There is still so much

1:45:36 > 1:45:40more to be done. We look the way that they have collaborated with

1:45:40 > 1:45:47NICE and NHS England, that is definitely something that we want to

1:45:47 > 1:45:52work on. We need the drugs and we need them quickly, and we don't want

1:45:52 > 1:45:55to wait on a system that takes years to approve them. When we need them,

1:45:55 > 1:45:59we need them now, we need to be able to access trials and have a flexible

1:45:59 > 1:46:04at it. I think that is a really important point.How are you doing?

1:46:04 > 1:46:07Really well, thank you.People might be surprised to hear you say that,

1:46:07 > 1:46:11when you say you have stage for breast cancer?Before I was

1:46:11 > 1:46:17diagnosed I didn't have much of an understanding either. I probably

1:46:17 > 1:46:20couldn't, and that people could live with incurable cancer. I can see

1:46:20 > 1:46:24this far ahead, I couldn't see that... You know, I am back at work,

1:46:24 > 1:46:27enjoying holidays with my family, doing everything fairly normally,

1:46:27 > 1:46:30really. That wasn't something I could even begin to comprehend could

1:46:30 > 1:46:35happen. Thanks to the drugs that I am on, I don't feel like I have

1:46:35 > 1:46:39cancer. I don't look like I have cancer. If I don't want to tell

1:46:39 > 1:46:44people I have cancer, I don't have to. I think that is so important. If

1:46:44 > 1:46:47you ask a stage for cancer patient, they obviously want to stay alive,

1:46:47 > 1:46:51but they also want to live as normally as they can. That is so

1:46:51 > 1:46:54crucial, and that is what the drugs allowed. They allow you to carry on

1:46:54 > 1:47:00with fairly minimal side effects.It is just worth explaining, I think I

1:47:00 > 1:47:03did in the introduction, the reason you are able to be on it for the

1:47:03 > 1:47:07last few years is because it was paid for through the Cancer Drugs

1:47:07 > 1:47:11Fund, which is coming to an end? Yes, many of the drugs that have

1:47:11 > 1:47:14been on that have been through a reappraisal process, they have put

1:47:14 > 1:47:19them into a team that are commissioning them for the NHS. It

1:47:19 > 1:47:24has only been available on the Cancer Drugs Fund, so it has only

1:47:24 > 1:47:27been available in England. That is why you have stories of women in

1:47:27 > 1:47:31Scotland coming across the border, and also in Wales. It is really

1:47:31 > 1:47:35welcome news today. It makes it a much more consistent decision. You

1:47:35 > 1:47:38know, a routine decision for doctors to prescribe it to patients. That is

1:47:38 > 1:47:42really welcome and we hope that Wales and Northern Ireland will

1:47:42 > 1:47:46follow suit and we look forward to hearing from the Scottish medicines

1:47:46 > 1:47:48Consortium and the Scottish Government, about what they intend

1:47:48 > 1:47:56to do in Scotland to ensure there is not a lottery around Perjeta.Thank

1:47:56 > 1:48:04you both. Kinnego I have another e-mail about what is going on at the

1:48:04 > 1:48:08church in South London in terms of its work to turn the lives around of

1:48:08 > 1:48:12former gang members. Sean says it is wonderful to see the church being so

1:48:12 > 1:48:17driven and focused on changing table's lives. Having taken time to

1:48:17 > 1:48:24view the Spac Nation

1:48:24 > 1:48:27view the Spac Nation website, I am concerned it only seems to cater for

1:48:27 > 1:48:32young black people. I am not sure that is true. While I applaud their

1:48:32 > 1:48:37work, I would rather see this on more open cultural footing. I can't

1:48:37 > 1:48:40imagine they turn anybody away, but do check.

1:48:40 > 1:48:4316 year olds in the North of England are on average at least one GCSE

1:48:43 > 1:48:45grade behind teenagers in London.

1:48:45 > 1:48:47That's according to the Northern Powerhouse Partnership -

1:48:47 > 1:48:49a group which aims to increase the contribution of the North

1:48:49 > 1:48:52of England to the UK economy - who say it's crucial we try

1:48:52 > 1:49:00and close that gap.

1:49:00 > 1:49:01Earlier, I was joined by Justin Blackhurst,

1:49:01 > 1:49:04founder and director of DigitalNext, a digital agency in Manchester

1:49:04 > 1:49:06which already work with schools and young people, Conservative Mayor

1:49:06 > 1:49:09of Tees Valley Ben Houcher, and Patsy Kane, who's the executive

1:49:09 > 1:49:11headteacher of the Education and Leadership Trust which runs

1:49:11 > 1:49:20three schools in Manchester.

1:49:22 > 1:49:26I think as a society we have two really focus on growing young