07/02/2018

0:00:07 > 0:00:09Hello, it's Wednesday, it's 9am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

0:00:09 > 0:00:15welcome to the programme.

0:00:15 > 0:00:20Tesco is facing Britain's largest ever equal pay claim and the

0:00:20 > 0:00:24possible bill running to £4 billion. Women working on the shop floor

0:00:24 > 0:00:29claim they are paid up to £3 an hour less than warehouse workers. Those

0:00:29 > 0:00:34warehouse workers are mainly men. There's obviously discrepancies with

0:00:34 > 0:00:38distribution and shop floor workers. That's what we are saying, we just

0:00:38 > 0:00:42want to be paid the same.We hear from one of the lawyers representing

0:00:42 > 0:00:44around 100 of the women.

0:00:44 > 0:00:46Plus, in her only broadcast interview, we'll talk to Facebook's

0:00:46 > 0:00:48most powerful executive in Europe and mum of four,

0:00:48 > 0:00:50Nicola Mendelsohn about being diagnosed with an incurable

0:00:50 > 0:00:54form of blood cancer.

0:00:54 > 0:00:58She wants to use her her experience as the most powerful British woman

0:00:58 > 0:01:02in the tech sector to find new ways to treat the blood disease.

0:01:02 > 0:01:05And what happens to a working class town when the main source

0:01:05 > 0:01:07of work is taken away?

0:01:07 > 0:01:10The steelworks at Redcar shut down two years ago,

0:01:10 > 0:01:17but what future do the people living there now face?

0:01:17 > 0:01:20You've got, like, a group of people now, who are so marginalised,

0:01:20 > 0:01:22which is the over-50, predominantly white

0:01:22 > 0:01:23working class man, who will

0:01:23 > 0:01:27never, ever work again.

0:01:27 > 0:01:323000 jobs went when the steel plant closed, we have an exclusive report

0:01:32 > 0:01:37from Redcar.

0:01:40 > 0:01:46Hello, welcome to the programme, we're live until 11am this morning.

0:01:46 > 0:01:48As we are each weekday.

0:01:48 > 0:01:50If you work for Tesco, on the shop floor or in

0:01:50 > 0:01:52the warehouse do let me know.

0:01:52 > 0:01:55Is the job of someone who works in store, on the tills of equal

0:01:55 > 0:02:00worth to someone who works in the warehouse?

0:02:00 > 0:02:03And also, the High Court will this morning hear the start of a legal

0:02:03 > 0:02:05challenge against the release of the black cab

0:02:05 > 0:02:08rapist, John Worboys.

0:02:08 > 0:02:11Were you one of those who got into his cab

0:02:11 > 0:02:16and were targetted by him?

0:02:16 > 0:02:19Do get in touch and let me know the questions you want answered

0:02:19 > 0:02:22about why the Parole board has made that decision to release him.

0:02:22 > 0:02:26You can get in touch anonymously.

0:02:26 > 0:02:28Our top story today.

0:02:28 > 0:02:32Tesco is facing Britain's largest equal pay law suit

0:02:32 > 0:02:34which could affect up to 200,000 mostly

0:02:34 > 0:02:42female shop floor workers.

0:02:42 > 0:02:44Our economics editor, Kamal Ahmed has got the latest.

0:02:44 > 0:02:46Tesco has joined a long list of organisations facing

0:02:46 > 0:02:47controversies over equal pay.

0:02:47 > 0:02:50Among retailers, Asda and Sainsbury are facing similar legal battles.

0:02:50 > 0:02:52Birmingham City Council has already agreed to over £1 billion worth

0:02:52 > 0:02:55of payments for women cleaners and carers and the BBC has been

0:02:55 > 0:03:00accused of not paying men and women equally.

0:03:00 > 0:03:03Tesco, as one of the country's largest employers, is now facing

0:03:03 > 0:03:06a series of test cases, which could lead to the largest equal pay

0:03:06 > 0:03:11claim in employment history.

0:03:11 > 0:03:14Lawyers for Tesco's supermarket workers said that female staff

0:03:14 > 0:03:16on hourly rates earn considerably less than men even though

0:03:16 > 0:03:20the value of the work is comparable.

0:03:20 > 0:03:27Kim Element and Pam Jenkins have worked for Tesco for over 20 years.

0:03:27 > 0:03:31I think that although we think we have equal rights,

0:03:31 > 0:03:33there are times where there are such discrepancies that you can't explain

0:03:33 > 0:03:34them.

0:03:34 > 0:03:37And I think Tesco's just one of many companies that aren't

0:03:37 > 0:03:42addressing the fact that women seem to still be paid less.

0:03:42 > 0:03:44Tesco said that all their staff could progress equally

0:03:44 > 0:03:50and were paid fairly, whatever their gender or background.

0:03:50 > 0:03:56In a statement, the supermarket said:

0:04:06 > 0:04:09This is the start of a long legal battle.

0:04:09 > 0:04:17Tesco just the latest business to be caught up in a fight over equal pay.

0:04:21 > 0:04:23Kamal is here.

0:04:23 > 0:04:30Is this just about Tesco?It isn't. This is a modern-day dilemma for not

0:04:30 > 0:04:32just businesses but public authorities that have faced similar

0:04:32 > 0:04:38claims. Sainsbury 's and Asda are fighting similar claims. It comes

0:04:38 > 0:04:41down to this fundamental issue. It's not about to pay for the same job,

0:04:41 > 0:04:48which was the Carrie Gracie issue, which the BBC was facing. It is

0:04:48 > 0:04:52about to business value and public authorities valued jobs

0:04:52 > 0:04:55predominantly done by women in the same way they value jobs

0:04:55 > 0:04:59predominantly done by men. In this case shop working versus warehouse

0:04:59 > 0:05:05work. But if you think of professions that are mostly done by

0:05:05 > 0:05:08women, caring, catering, cleaning, they tend to be paid less than the

0:05:08 > 0:05:12type of jobs that are done in the main by men, lorry driving,

0:05:12 > 0:05:19warehouse work, bin collection. Is that a fundamental equal pay issue?

0:05:19 > 0:05:24That's what's at the heart of this debate.A bit like the Birmingham

0:05:24 > 0:05:29City Council dinner ladies versus the bin men.Absolutely.What are

0:05:29 > 0:05:33Tesco saying?It is interesting, the lawyer says Tesco are actually a

0:05:33 > 0:05:37very good employer. They have done gender pay audits for jobs for women

0:05:37 > 0:05:42and men working in the same place in the business. This is a bigger

0:05:42 > 0:05:45structural issue. Tesco are saying we do approach these things equally,

0:05:45 > 0:05:50we are an equal opportunities employer. We take gender very

0:05:50 > 0:05:54seriously. I think that is right. The issue for them is the same as

0:05:54 > 0:05:58many other businesses, there is a structural issue underlying this.

0:05:58 > 0:06:01The women that I spoke to us who are still working for Tesco and have

0:06:01 > 0:06:04been working for Tesco for over 20 years, you need great bravery to

0:06:04 > 0:06:08take these type of cases. They will probably last for many, many years.

0:06:08 > 0:06:13The Astor case has been going on for many years already. Women who fight

0:06:13 > 0:06:18these cases have to be ready for this huge battle because Tesco knows

0:06:18 > 0:06:22if it loses, this liability could run to billions of pounds.Because

0:06:22 > 0:06:27we are talking about backpay? Backpay for up to six years, the

0:06:27 > 0:06:32people already retired could take a claim against Tesco. There are over

0:06:32 > 0:06:37200,000 shop workers that Tesco employs in the UK, they are one...

0:06:37 > 0:06:43They are the country's biggest private employer. Tesco has to make

0:06:43 > 0:06:47this judgment. It gets accused of discrimination, which it denies, or

0:06:47 > 0:06:51it faces a huge bill. That is the big struggle for businesses, how do

0:06:51 > 0:06:57they move into the 21st century, valuing different types of jobs

0:06:57 > 0:07:01equally without giving themselves these huge liabilities? Birmingham

0:07:01 > 0:07:05City Council, which you touched on, has got a bill of over £1 billion.

0:07:05 > 0:07:10That needs to come from taxpayers, council tax payers. They've got to

0:07:10 > 0:07:16provide services. Tesco's profits will be sucked up by £4 billion.

0:07:16 > 0:07:19That is the issue, many businesses are facing this challenge.Thank

0:07:19 > 0:07:19you.

0:07:19 > 0:07:22Annita is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

0:07:22 > 0:07:26of the rest of the days news.

0:07:26 > 0:07:30Good morning. Theresa May is to meet senior ministers later to try to

0:07:30 > 0:07:35agree the government's approach for the next stage of the Brexit

0:07:35 > 0:07:37negotiations coming after leaked documents showing the European Union

0:07:37 > 0:07:42wants to be able to restrict the UK's access to the single market if

0:07:42 > 0:07:46there is a dispute after Brexit. The power to suspend certain benefits

0:07:46 > 0:07:52will apply during the post-Brexit transition phase. Let's talk to

0:07:52 > 0:07:55Norman Smith, assistant political editor in Westminster. Good morning.

0:07:55 > 0:08:00We know there's a difference of approach in government about what to

0:08:00 > 0:08:06do next what can we expect from today?Not very much I think is the

0:08:06 > 0:08:10honest answer. Despite the fact that we know business is screaming at the

0:08:10 > 0:08:13government to provide greater clarity, despite the fact that we

0:08:13 > 0:08:18know EU officials are saying to Mrs May, come on, what do you want? The

0:08:18 > 0:08:22signs are that over the next two days of talks with senior ministers,

0:08:22 > 0:08:26we will not reach a final position. In part, that's because throughout

0:08:26 > 0:08:30this negotiation, we have shown our hand pretty late in the day. In

0:08:30 > 0:08:34part, it's because the focus at the moment is on getting that transition

0:08:34 > 0:08:39deal, we have to get that first post but in part it's because of the

0:08:39 > 0:08:43scale of divisions still between senior ministers, like Philip

0:08:43 > 0:08:46Hammond, the Chancellor who say, look, we've got to stay close to the

0:08:46 > 0:08:50EU to minimise any potential damage to business. And those like Boris

0:08:50 > 0:08:54Johnson who say, we've got to cut free so we can strike our own free

0:08:54 > 0:08:58trade deals. That's the real golden opportunity from Brexit. The

0:08:58 > 0:09:03consequence of that is that we may still not know for some weeks yet

0:09:03 > 0:09:11exactly what Mrs May's final Brexit position is.Thank you.

0:09:11 > 0:09:13position is.Thank you. Hundreds and thousands of part-time flexible

0:09:13 > 0:09:16workers are to receive new rides including holiday and sick bay for

0:09:16 > 0:09:19the first time. It is part of the government's responding to a review

0:09:19 > 0:09:25to the so-called gig economy recommending a number of changes to

0:09:25 > 0:09:28reflect modern working practices. The number of self-employed workers

0:09:28 > 0:09:35has in recent league increased due to apps like Uber and Deliveroo. The

0:09:35 > 0:09:39High Court is to hear a challenge on the release of John Worboys. -- John

0:09:42 > 0:09:45. They announced he would be freed after less than nine years in prison

0:09:45 > 0:09:48and he is thought to have drugged and attacked more than 100 women

0:09:48 > 0:09:54after picking them up in his taxi in London. Exclusive research for this

0:09:54 > 0:09:57programme has revealed that in parts of the country, the number of people

0:09:57 > 0:10:02working full-time has fallen. Despite a record number of people

0:10:02 > 0:10:05being in full-time work, analysis by the resolution foundation has found

0:10:05 > 0:10:09the London alone accounts for half of the increase over the last

0:10:09 > 0:10:14decade. In other areas such as North Yorkshire, Strathclyde, Merseyside

0:10:14 > 0:10:16and Wales, the number of people working full-time has actually

0:10:16 > 0:10:23fallen. We have a special report from Redcar, which lost its steel

0:10:23 > 0:10:28plants two years ago. The UK could adopt a deposit -based system for

0:10:28 > 0:10:30recycling plastic bottles at a ministerial delegation visited

0:10:30 > 0:10:35Norway to see how we scheme that operates. The consumer pays a

0:10:35 > 0:10:38deposit of around 10p or 25p, depending on the size of the bottle

0:10:38 > 0:10:42and then returns it empty to a special machine where they receive a

0:10:42 > 0:10:46coupon for the deposit. In Norway, the industry led scheme recycles 98%

0:10:46 > 0:10:52of bottles. Only around half of plastic bottles are recycled in the

0:10:52 > 0:10:56UK.

0:10:56 > 0:10:58The world's most powerful rocket, the Falcon Heavy, has successfully

0:10:58 > 0:10:59launched for the first time.

0:10:59 > 0:11:01American billionaire Elon Musk, whose company SpaceX

0:11:01 > 0:11:03is behind the project, has called it a game

0:11:03 > 0:11:04changer for space travel.

0:11:04 > 0:11:07The $19 million space craft could one day transport people

0:11:07 > 0:11:10and supplies as far as Mars, but on it's maiden voyage the cargo

0:11:10 > 0:11:12is Elon Musk's own Tesla car, with a space-suited mannequin

0:11:12 > 0:11:19in the driver's seat.

0:11:19 > 0:11:22New DNA analysis of Britain's oldest complete skeleton has found he had

0:11:22 > 0:11:24much darker skin than previously thought and blue eyes.

0:11:24 > 0:11:27The man's 10,000 year-old remains were unearthed at Cheddar Gorge more

0:11:27 > 0:11:29than a hundred years ago.

0:11:29 > 0:11:31Now breakthroughs in DNA sequencing have allowed scientists

0:11:31 > 0:11:33from the Natural History Museum to create this model

0:11:33 > 0:11:36of what he would have looked like just before he died.

0:11:36 > 0:11:39That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30.

0:11:50 > 0:11:54Steve has tweeted on the Tesco issue, saying women and men get paid

0:11:54 > 0:11:59equally for doing the same job, not for what individuals consider work

0:11:59 > 0:12:04of comparable value. This seems to be total nonsense. On the subject of

0:12:04 > 0:12:08Iran, we have a film coming up on that, Matt on Facebook says the

0:12:08 > 0:12:11white working class has been marginalised and forgotten for

0:12:11 > 0:12:17decades -- on the subject of Redcar. We will talk to a Labour MP and a

0:12:17 > 0:12:21Conservative MP about that after 10am this morning. Is

0:12:21 > 0:12:24Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

0:12:24 > 0:12:27use the hashtag Victoria live and if you text, you will be charged

0:12:27 > 0:12:28at the standard network rate.

0:12:28 > 0:12:32Let's get some sport with Hugh Ferris.

0:12:32 > 0:12:36England are still playing cricket in Australia, how is it going?They are

0:12:36 > 0:12:40still playing cricket in Australia, good morning. Not just against

0:12:40 > 0:12:44Australia, the third form of the game to be played over the winter.

0:12:44 > 0:12:49And the third different kit as well. Australia are already better at Test

0:12:49 > 0:12:54cricket, England are better at one-day cricket, so what about T20

0:12:54 > 0:12:55cricket? They are playing Australia this morning.

0:12:55 > 0:12:57Playing Australia this morning in their first match

0:12:57 > 0:12:58of a Tri Series tournament.

0:12:58 > 0:13:00The other team is New Zealand...

0:13:00 > 0:13:03Who the Aussies have already beaten.

0:13:03 > 0:13:05Started about 20 minutes ago in Hobart.

0:13:05 > 0:13:09And Australia won the toss.

0:13:09 > 0:13:13Jason Roy, the England opener was out in just the second over.

0:13:13 > 0:13:15David Malan replaced him...

0:13:15 > 0:13:17And got to work.

0:13:17 > 0:13:23Pretty quickly. That's six and an over containing three boundaries.

0:13:23 > 0:13:29Alex Hales has fallen. His first delivery of the entire game. It is

0:13:29 > 0:13:3677-2. England are in the eighth over.

0:13:36 > 0:13:39FA Cup fifth round has thrown up a revenge match

0:13:39 > 0:13:41between a manager and his former club.

0:13:41 > 0:13:43I love a revenge match in football.

0:13:43 > 0:13:45Carlos Carvalhal was sacked on Christmas Eve

0:13:45 > 0:13:47by Sheffield Wednesday.

0:13:47 > 0:13:49But now as Swansea manager he has a chance to show

0:13:49 > 0:13:50what they've been missing.

0:13:50 > 0:13:53The Portuguese coach wasn't considered good enough to take

0:13:53 > 0:14:00Wednesday out of the Championship.

0:14:00 > 0:14:03But Swansea think he's good enough to keep them out

0:14:03 > 0:14:04of the Championship.

0:14:04 > 0:14:06He's taken them out of the Premier League bottom three

0:14:06 > 0:14:08after wining five of his 10 games in charge.

0:14:08 > 0:14:11Including last night's fourth round replay against Notts County...

0:14:11 > 0:14:14They didn't just win it... It finished 8-1.

0:14:14 > 0:14:16That result means they will play Sheffield Wednesday

0:14:16 > 0:14:24in the next round.

0:14:24 > 0:14:26Two goals each for Nathan Dyer and Tammy Abraham.

0:14:26 > 0:14:32Huddersfield and Rochdale also went through.

0:14:32 > 0:14:40And a Premier League player has gone missing, where is re-admirers?

0:14:40 > 0:14:43The Daily Mirror this morning has the words "Have You Seen This Man?"

0:14:43 > 0:14:45alongside a picture of Riyad Mahrez.

0:14:45 > 0:14:48He was one of the big stories of transfer deadline day.

0:14:48 > 0:14:54This time last week he handed in a transfer request at Leicester

0:14:54 > 0:14:56as Manchester City made a fourth bid of around £60 million

0:14:56 > 0:14:57for him.

0:14:57 > 0:14:59Leicester turned it down... The deal was off...

0:14:59 > 0:15:01And Mahrez hasn't been seen since.

0:15:01 > 0:15:02The Algerian hasn't been in training.

0:15:02 > 0:15:03He's missed two games...

0:15:03 > 0:15:05And isn't expected to play in a third...

0:15:05 > 0:15:07Which is this weekend against... Guess who...

0:15:07 > 0:15:08Manchester City.

0:15:08 > 0:15:11I don't know whether it's necessarily a long con or not, they

0:15:11 > 0:15:15missed out on the player but at least the consolation is that

0:15:15 > 0:15:18Manchester City don't have to face him at the weekend. It is a story

0:15:18 > 0:15:22that will develop over time given that there is four months of the

0:15:22 > 0:15:27season left.Thank you.

0:15:27 > 0:15:30Good morning. It is 9:15am.

0:15:30 > 0:15:38A top British Facebook executive has revealed she has a form of blood

0:15:38 > 0:15:42And says she wants to make her cancer high-profile.

0:15:42 > 0:15:43Nicola Mendelsohn is Facebook's vice-president

0:15:43 > 0:15:46for Europe, the Middle East and Africa, and one the most

0:15:46 > 0:15:49powerful British women in the technology industry.

0:15:49 > 0:15:57She was 46 when she was diagnosed; she's married with four children.

0:15:58 > 0:16:03The cancer is called follicular lympona.

0:16:03 > 0:16:05We can talk to Nicola Mendelsohn in her only

0:16:05 > 0:16:07broadcast interview....

0:16:07 > 0:16:12Good morning, thank you for coming on the programme.How are you? I'm

0:16:12 > 0:16:16doing all right. I'm not ill in the way you think someone with cancer

0:16:16 > 0:16:22would be.Explain that a little more. Your cancer diagnosis, you are

0:16:22 > 0:16:29told it is incurable, at the moment anyway.That is right. It all

0:16:29 > 0:16:33started in November, 2016. I had a tiny lump, tiny. I mentioned it to

0:16:33 > 0:16:39the doctor and he said properly nothing. Go away -- it will go away,

0:16:39 > 0:16:45she said if not come back and we will see what it is. I went back and

0:16:45 > 0:16:49she wasn't sure who to send meeting. I eventually went to see a

0:16:49 > 0:16:51gynaecologist to thought it was probably nothing also. Literally at

0:16:51 > 0:16:56the last minute said, let's just do a CT scan to check. That is when

0:16:56 > 0:17:00everything changed. It was a Friday afternoon. I had a CT scan and it

0:17:00 > 0:17:07basically I had tumours up and upper body, small ones everywhere. That

0:17:07 > 0:17:12was Friday afternoon and that was it. Then we had to wait. We didn't

0:17:12 > 0:17:16know what to do. We had to see other doctors, but couldn't see anyone

0:17:16 > 0:17:23until Monday. It was a hard weekend. I bet. When you are told there are

0:17:23 > 0:17:27tumours that a medical professional conceit up and down your body on a

0:17:27 > 0:17:31scan, what do you initially think? They thought it was some sort of

0:17:31 > 0:17:37cancer but they didn't know what it was and I did what anybody would, I

0:17:37 > 0:17:41spent the weekend googling and it's not fun doing that. All be things it

0:17:41 > 0:17:47looks that had horrible prognoses. The word cancer is a horrible word.

0:17:47 > 0:17:51I'd gone from thinking about business meetings and planning

0:17:51 > 0:17:55things with the kids, to having this suddenly smacked me in the face,

0:17:55 > 0:17:59thinking about whether I was going to live or die and how long did I

0:17:59 > 0:18:03have? Was I going to see grandchildren? It was really tough,

0:18:03 > 0:18:07really, really hard. It was a horrible weekend.Was there a

0:18:07 > 0:18:17profound shift in your whole mindset and life?I think when you have a

0:18:17 > 0:18:22moment where death confronts you so abruptly, yeah, I think it does make

0:18:22 > 0:18:27you think about things in a different way. What I decided was,

0:18:27 > 0:18:30actually I'm a very optimistic person and that is not too I am. I'm

0:18:30 > 0:18:36not the person that weighs heavily with things, even though this is the

0:18:36 > 0:18:40hardest thing I have ever had to deal with. I remember thinking, if I

0:18:40 > 0:18:44am going to go on that Monday to see different doctors again to start and

0:18:44 > 0:18:48work out what this thing was, I'm going to embrace it with the way

0:18:48 > 0:18:51I've always tried to live my life. At that point I hadn't told the

0:18:51 > 0:18:55children, so we were still piecing together what the diagnosis

0:18:55 > 0:19:02actually. You are sort of on a conveyor conveyor belt. Is it this?

0:19:02 > 0:19:08No. Have a biopsy, a pet scan, this doctor and that Doctor until we got

0:19:08 > 0:19:12the diagnosis, follicular lympona, which I had never heard of.A nice

0:19:12 > 0:19:17ASBOs most people watching have never heard of. -- and I suppose

0:19:17 > 0:19:21most people watching have never heard of.It is a blood cancer, the

0:19:21 > 0:19:24fifth most common cancer and I don't think it has enough awareness or

0:19:24 > 0:19:29enough money going into the research either.We will talk about your

0:19:29 > 0:19:36efforts to change that a little later on. When you were diagnosed,

0:19:36 > 0:19:40your children, four children aged between 13 and 20, alongside your

0:19:40 > 0:19:44husband, you sat down and told them the truth?Yes, we did. We delayed

0:19:44 > 0:19:48telling them for a few days because we had a big family celebration and

0:19:48 > 0:19:53we wanted to know exactly what it was. We waited until the family

0:19:53 > 0:19:57separation was out of the way so it didn't taint it. Then we gathered

0:19:57 > 0:20:01the children to sit around the table in the kitchen. It was really hard,

0:20:01 > 0:20:07I couldn't get the words. John was amazing, in helping me. They were

0:20:07 > 0:20:12flawed. You expect your mum to be this strong person.What you say?I

0:20:12 > 0:20:16said, I have some hard news to share with you and I want you to know I

0:20:16 > 0:20:21will always be honest with you, but I have a cancer. It's not as bad as

0:20:21 > 0:20:26some cancers but it's my cancer. They didn't know what to say. There

0:20:26 > 0:20:30were some tears and then my youngest turned around and said, are you

0:20:30 > 0:20:38going to die, ma'am?What did you say?I couldn't get the words out.

0:20:38 > 0:20:42That's not what you want, he was 12 at the time, I didn't want my

0:20:42 > 0:20:4712-year-old to be asking me a question like that. John helped.

0:20:47 > 0:20:50Then he just put his hand across the table and he came and gave me this

0:20:50 > 0:20:56big hug and it was finished. There were tears galore.How did the older

0:20:56 > 0:21:05ones react?They took their cues from him. I spoke to them all the

0:21:05 > 0:21:09time about it but I spoke to them about a week or so before I did the

0:21:09 > 0:21:14article to see how they work and how they felt about me sharing the story

0:21:14 > 0:21:18said publicly, because it involves them, and how they work. We don't

0:21:18 > 0:21:22talk about it all the time. They said, we are doing all right, mum,

0:21:22 > 0:21:26because we take our cues from you and you seem to be doing all right.

0:21:26 > 0:21:30If you are doing all right, we are doing all right. That was a big

0:21:30 > 0:21:34relief. They don't think about it as much as I do.They were following

0:21:34 > 0:21:40your example, effectively.Yes.How have you been able to rationalise

0:21:40 > 0:21:51the fact that there isn't... There isn't a cure for your cancer?

0:21:51 > 0:21:53isn't a cure for your cancer?That is, I think that's the hardest thing

0:21:53 > 0:21:58about it. I think when you hear the word cancer, you think, I'm going to

0:21:58 > 0:22:02have the treatment and then I will be done and I will be cured. This is

0:22:02 > 0:22:06not like that. In many ways it is a life sentence, is something I've had

0:22:06 > 0:22:11to adjust, that's always in my head, but I'm hopeful. As I said, I'm an

0:22:11 > 0:22:15optimist and I think if more people can raise awareness, more money can

0:22:15 > 0:22:22go into it. The moment are incredible. The treatments are

0:22:22 > 0:22:25getting better but there is no absolute treatment yet.Hopefully,

0:22:25 > 0:22:30maybe one day there will be. You are diagnosed in November 2016 and have

0:22:30 > 0:22:36only just gone public, why now? There are a number of different

0:22:36 > 0:22:41reasons. It has taken me a while to get used to it in my own head. But

0:22:41 > 0:22:45also, one of the things that has been an amazing comfort and support

0:22:45 > 0:22:51to me is a group on Facebook called Living with Follicular Lymphoma. It

0:22:51 > 0:22:55took me a couple of months to even realise or check out if there was a

0:22:55 > 0:22:59group on Facebook, and there was. It was new and it had just started. I

0:22:59 > 0:23:04wrote to the admin, a lady called Nicky who lives in Perth. I said hi

0:23:04 > 0:23:08Nicola, I worked at Facebook, I think I could help and I've got

0:23:08 > 0:23:12follicular lympona. She thought it was a joke. She didn't think it was

0:23:12 > 0:23:19real. She said, OK. So we've become the co-admin of this group.Is that

0:23:19 > 0:23:23the first time US Facebook executive have looked for a Facebook group for

0:23:23 > 0:23:28help and support?To do medical things. I'm in great groups, book

0:23:28 > 0:23:32clubs and top tips for women over 40 and fun things but I haven't gone

0:23:32 > 0:23:37somewhere for a group that is so meaningful and helpful to me. From a

0:23:37 > 0:23:41couple of hundred people we have grown the group. The group is now

0:23:41 > 0:23:44nearly 4000 people, all with follicular lympona, all who

0:23:44 > 0:23:49understand each other and can offer practical support. I actually met

0:23:49 > 0:23:54her this morning for the first time. She has flown over because Facebook

0:23:54 > 0:23:58is hosting an event this week for people running groups on Facebook so

0:23:58 > 0:24:04we can learn and share best tips about how to admin group.How was

0:24:04 > 0:24:08that meeting?Very emotional. We met downstairs and I was like, there she

0:24:08 > 0:24:13is. We have this huge bond. She has become a friend. Someone I share

0:24:13 > 0:24:17most intimate parts of my life with. She really understands me, she has

0:24:17 > 0:24:21kids as well. We're going to spend some time together this week and I

0:24:21 > 0:24:24am really looking forward to it. What do you now know about

0:24:24 > 0:24:33follicular lympona so many things. How lucky I am to live in London

0:24:33 > 0:24:36because we have amazing doctors, not everyone is so lucky. I know there

0:24:36 > 0:24:39is not one absolute way of treating it. It's very much about the

0:24:39 > 0:24:44relationship between you and your doctor and whether you want to have

0:24:44 > 0:24:48treatment. I have not had any treatment. I've chosen gold watch

0:24:48 > 0:24:52and wait, again, I've never heard of it, that you can have a cancer and

0:24:52 > 0:24:57elect not to treat it.Everyone thinks you go straight into a very

0:24:57 > 0:25:02gruelling treatment regime.And that will come at some point. But the

0:25:02 > 0:25:05evidence at the moment the follicular lympona is there is no

0:25:05 > 0:25:09evidence to say treating early will increase your life expectancy but

0:25:09 > 0:25:13there is evidence to say having treatments can be harmful and toxic.

0:25:13 > 0:25:17That is why I have elected not to have. I don't have symptoms, on the

0:25:17 > 0:25:22same as I was a year ago. I have a few more lumps and bumps but I am

0:25:22 > 0:25:26actually healthier than I have been, as well.Extraordinary. Do you have

0:25:26 > 0:25:31people saying to you, you look so well, you can't, it can't be a real

0:25:31 > 0:25:36cancer?I do, and that is something the people in the group talk a lot

0:25:36 > 0:25:41about. People have been told that it is a fake cancer, it's not real.

0:25:41 > 0:25:43That is so hard, if people understand the mental anguish people

0:25:43 > 0:25:48go through with this, it's difficult, but it is there always.

0:25:48 > 0:25:51One of the doctors described it to me when I was first diagnosed as

0:25:51 > 0:25:54saying, it is like having a hitchhiker in your car. Never leaves

0:25:54 > 0:25:58you. Try and keep it in the boot as long as you can, but sometimes it

0:25:58 > 0:26:02comes up and sits on the front seat and that is when you have two bash

0:26:02 > 0:26:07it back. In many ways this cancer is more like a chronic disease, like

0:26:07 > 0:26:08diabetes or Crohn's

0:26:08 > 0:26:09more like a chronic disease, like diabetes or Crohn's, where the

0:26:09 > 0:26:12episode where it throws up, you have some gruelling treatment and then

0:26:12 > 0:26:16hopefully you can put it to bed again.Where does work now fit into

0:26:16 > 0:26:22your life, after this diagnosis?I think I'm incredibly blessed to work

0:26:22 > 0:26:28at Facebook, which has been very, very supportive to me from the get

0:26:28 > 0:26:31go, the diagnosis. All my colleagues, my peers and bosses are

0:26:31 > 0:26:35like, how can we help, what can we do to help you? In many ways, like I

0:26:35 > 0:26:39said about my children, things haven't changed that much for me. I

0:26:39 > 0:26:43do exercise now, which I never did. I was one of those people, I'm never

0:26:43 > 0:26:47doing exercise! I now know exercise is incredibly important. I'm doing

0:26:47 > 0:26:53it twice a week, I've made time. I travel a lot with my job. I'm a bit

0:26:53 > 0:26:57kinder to my body, I'm not doing those early mornings, getting up at

0:26:57 > 0:27:005am, trying to go the night before to make it a bit easier for me. But

0:27:00 > 0:27:05I'm really lucky that work has been as helpful, kind, considerate and

0:27:05 > 0:27:09caring as they have.You have already made it clear you want more

0:27:09 > 0:27:13money to go into research into this particular cancer. How can you help

0:27:13 > 0:27:19make that happen?I think hopefully by telling my story, also getting

0:27:19 > 0:27:23more people to join the group as well. As I say, we've seen hundreds

0:27:23 > 0:27:27of people joining the group in the last few days. They didn't know such

0:27:27 > 0:27:30a group existed. I see from the comments that people write how much

0:27:30 > 0:27:34they love the group and how supportive it is, how helpful it is.

0:27:34 > 0:27:38There is groups like that for people with all types of diseases and

0:27:38 > 0:27:42illnesses. There are people out there that understand.One viewer on

0:27:42 > 0:27:47Facebook says what an amazing woman this Facebook boss is. My thoughts

0:27:47 > 0:27:52are with her. Another says, thank you for bringing attention to blood

0:27:52 > 0:27:56cancers, so many of which are in durable. And another, such an

0:27:56 > 0:27:59inspiration. How amazing she is helping people through a Facebook

0:27:59 > 0:28:04group. And another wants to give you a big hug. The support since you

0:28:04 > 0:28:10have gone public, has it been overwhelming?Thank you for my hug,

0:28:10 > 0:28:15I will take it. The support has been completely overwhelming. I feel like

0:28:15 > 0:28:20anybody I've ever met in my whole life, from being a kid at school,

0:28:20 > 0:28:26has reached out just to say, you, we support you, let us know what we can

0:28:26 > 0:28:30do. Text messages, Facebook messages, e-mails, letters, I am so

0:28:30 > 0:28:35overwhelmed. People are so good and so kind and just want to help. Thank

0:28:35 > 0:28:39you. Thank you is what I would say, because I didn't expect it. I didn't

0:28:39 > 0:28:44think I'd be talking to you now. But if it helps just one more person,

0:28:44 > 0:28:49then it is worth it. It is not easy doing this. This is not what I do.

0:28:49 > 0:28:55But if it helps one or two more people, then it is worth it.Nigel

0:28:55 > 0:28:58says, Facebook groups played a vital role in helping me find stem cell

0:28:58 > 0:29:05treatment for my MS.That is great. By going to Russia, it has totally

0:29:05 > 0:29:11changed my life. Gwen says Nicola Mendelsohn is so brave and

0:29:11 > 0:29:14inspiring. In doing this interview she has educated me and probably

0:29:14 > 0:29:18millions of viewers. I wish you and your family strength and ongoing

0:29:18 > 0:29:23determination. I applaud you. There are many more. Those kind of

0:29:23 > 0:29:31representative. How do you feel about the future?Do you know... I

0:29:31 > 0:29:35have always felt grateful for the life I have. I have an amazing

0:29:35 > 0:29:39husband, John, who has always been my rock and has always been so

0:29:39 > 0:29:43supportive in everything I have done. An amazing family, parents,

0:29:43 > 0:29:48brothers. Incredible kids. I feel lucky and less to do the things I

0:29:48 > 0:29:52do. And to know this is not a dress rehearsal, it never has been. It's

0:29:52 > 0:29:55always been part of what we talk about, how you live a life well.

0:29:55 > 0:30:00Sometimes you get stuff thrown at you that you didn't expect and for

0:30:00 > 0:30:05me it has always been about how you react in the moment of those things,

0:30:05 > 0:30:11as hard as they are. How do I feel? I am going to remain optimistic and

0:30:11 > 0:30:16grateful, and hopeful that some amazing Doctor or researchers out

0:30:16 > 0:30:20there will find this cure, find a way to treat people in new ways that

0:30:20 > 0:30:24we have an even dreamt of yet. We have put man on the moon 40 odd

0:30:24 > 0:30:28years ago, we ought to be able to do more for people out there that are

0:30:28 > 0:30:30suffering, not just with this disease but all diseases and I think

0:30:30 > 0:30:36we will.That is a really important message. This is it. This is the

0:30:36 > 0:30:41life we have, so let's get on with it, let's make the most of it. Thank

0:30:41 > 0:30:47you very much for talking to us. We wish you lots of love and strength

0:30:47 > 0:30:51and luck and everything, thank you. And thank you to you for all you

0:30:51 > 0:30:55have done for this whole area, it's been amazing and totally inspiring

0:30:55 > 0:30:57as well.Thank you very much, thank you.

0:30:59 > 0:31:00Still to come:

0:31:00 > 0:31:04We travel to Redcar in the northeast of England, which lost its steel

0:31:04 > 0:31:06plant and almost 3,000 jobs two years ago, so what future

0:31:06 > 0:31:10are the people living there now facing?

0:31:10 > 0:31:12In a major breakthrough for the private space travel

0:31:12 > 0:31:14industry, the world's most powerful rocket, the Falcon Heavy, has

0:31:14 > 0:31:18successfully launched for the first time from Cape Canaveral in Florida.

0:31:18 > 0:31:19American billionaire Elon Musk, whose company SpaceX

0:31:19 > 0:31:22is behind the project, has called the near flawless

0:31:22 > 0:31:29blast-off a game changer.

0:31:30 > 0:31:34Time for the latest news - here's Annita.

0:31:34 > 0:31:36The BBC News headlines this morning.

0:31:36 > 0:31:39Tesco is facing Britain's largest ever equal pay law suit

0:31:39 > 0:31:41which could affect up to 200,000 mostly female shop workers.

0:31:41 > 0:31:44The women, who work on the shop floor, say they earn considerably

0:31:44 > 0:31:46less than men who work in the company's

0:31:46 > 0:31:50distribution centres.

0:31:50 > 0:31:53Lawyers estimate the supermarket could be liable for up to £4 billion

0:31:53 > 0:31:55in back pay if it loses.

0:31:55 > 0:31:58Tesco says it's not yet seen the claims, but that it works hard

0:31:58 > 0:32:01to make sure employees are paid fairly.

0:32:02 > 0:32:04Theresa May is to meet senior ministers later,

0:32:04 > 0:32:07to try to agree the government's approach for the next stage

0:32:07 > 0:32:08of the Brexit negotiations.

0:32:08 > 0:32:11It comes after leaked documents show the European Union wants to be able

0:32:11 > 0:32:13to restrict the UK's access to the single market

0:32:13 > 0:32:18if there is a dispute after Brexit.

0:32:18 > 0:32:20The power to suspend "certain benefits" would apply during

0:32:20 > 0:32:23the post-Brexit transition phase.

0:32:23 > 0:32:25Hundreds of thousands of part-time and flexible workers

0:32:25 > 0:32:28are to receive new rights, including holiday and sick pay,

0:32:28 > 0:32:30for the first time.

0:32:30 > 0:32:32The plans are part of the government's response

0:32:32 > 0:32:35to a review into the so-called gig economy, which recommended a number

0:32:35 > 0:32:39of changes to reflect modern working practices.

0:32:39 > 0:32:41The number of self-employed workers has risen in recent years, partly

0:32:41 > 0:32:46due to apps like Uber and Deliveroo.

0:32:46 > 0:32:49The High Court will hear the start of a legal challenge this morning

0:32:49 > 0:32:51against the release of the serial sex attacker, John Worboys.

0:32:51 > 0:32:54Last month the Parole Board was criticised when it announced

0:32:54 > 0:32:56that Worboys would be freed after less than nine

0:32:56 > 0:32:58years in prison.

0:32:58 > 0:33:01He is thought to have drugged and attacked more than a hundred

0:33:01 > 0:33:06women after picking them up in his taxi in London.

0:33:06 > 0:33:13That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30am.

0:33:13 > 0:33:20Alison tweeted, I was diagnosed with follicular lymphoma almost 11 years

0:33:20 > 0:33:23ago and have been fortunate enough to have never had a relapse having

0:33:23 > 0:33:29had six months of treatment. It is, they say, incurable, but it is

0:33:29 > 0:33:37treatable. Adam says this... Bear with me, my tablet has frozen, I

0:33:37 > 0:33:43will do it on here... My father was diagnosed with incurable blood

0:33:43 > 0:33:46cancer, he takes pills every day to balance his blood cells, gets

0:33:46 > 0:33:50checkups every three months. As long as these pills keep working, he can

0:33:50 > 0:33:55still live a long life says Adam. Head says very inspiring and brave

0:33:55 > 0:34:02stuff from Nicola Mendelsohn. You can feel her strength of spirit,

0:34:02 > 0:34:07what a brave lady. Thank you for sharing your cat is a story today.

0:34:07 > 0:34:11There are 200 different kinds of cancer. My husband has been

0:34:11 > 0:34:16diagnosed twice with cancer and this time he has an incurable small cell

0:34:16 > 0:34:20bladder cancer. Could Facebook have a special area for all cancer groups

0:34:20 > 0:34:23to share and fund? Keep those coming in.

0:34:23 > 0:34:25Sport now with Hugh.

0:34:25 > 0:34:27The Tests and one dayers are done.

0:34:27 > 0:34:29Now England are playing T20 cricket in Australia.

0:34:29 > 0:34:31England have begun their T20 tri-series with a match

0:34:31 > 0:34:34against the Aussies in Hobart this morning.

0:34:34 > 0:34:36And Dawid Malan has led the charge with the bat.

0:34:36 > 0:34:40But England have lost three wickets.

0:34:40 > 0:34:44In fact, a fourth now. 109-4 in Hobart.

0:34:44 > 0:34:47Swansea thrashed Notts County 8-1 to set up a FA Cup fifth round tie

0:34:47 > 0:34:49against their new manager Carlos Carvalhal's former club

0:34:49 > 0:34:50Sheffield Wednesday.

0:34:50 > 0:34:58He was sacked by the Championship team just before Christmas.

0:34:58 > 0:35:00And Riyad Mahrez is still not training with Leicester.

0:35:00 > 0:35:05He was refused a move to Manchester City on transfer deadline day.

0:35:05 > 0:35:09And may well come as a result, missed the match in the Premier

0:35:09 > 0:35:11League on Saturday against Manchester city.

0:35:11 > 0:35:13And Jason and Laura Kenny will represent Great Britain

0:35:13 > 0:35:16together for the first time since the Olympics after being

0:35:16 > 0:35:18selected for the track cycling world championships in the Netherlands.

0:35:18 > 0:35:21Since Rio they've got married, Laura's had a baby,

0:35:21 > 0:35:25And Jason has retired... Briefly...

0:35:25 > 0:35:28More coming up after 10am.Thank you.

0:35:28 > 0:35:31Time for an update in the trial of former football coach Barry Bennell.

0:35:31 > 0:35:33Our reporter Jim Reed is here.

0:35:33 > 0:35:37And Jim, the defence has now closed its case.

0:35:37 > 0:35:38Yes.

0:35:38 > 0:35:40This is the trial of 64-year-old Barry Bennell.

0:35:40 > 0:35:43He was a youth football coach linked to Manchester City

0:35:43 > 0:35:47and Crewe Alexandra football clubs.

0:35:47 > 0:35:51He denies 45 counts of historic abuse in this case.

0:35:51 > 0:35:53Yesterday, then, we had the closing speech

0:35:53 > 0:35:58from defence barrister Eleanor Laws who represents Mr Bennell.

0:35:58 > 0:36:01She asked the jurors to put aside their "revulsion" for Mr Bennell

0:36:01 > 0:36:06as they consider their verdicts.

0:36:06 > 0:36:09She then reminded the jury about the publicity around previous

0:36:09 > 0:36:10guilty pleas Mr Bennell made in 1997.

0:36:10 > 0:36:13She said:

0:36:14 > 0:36:17"There has been a great deal of publicity and indeed a great deal

0:36:17 > 0:36:20of contact between complainants."

0:36:21 > 0:36:25She outlined the compensation claims made by some of the alleged victims

0:36:25 > 0:36:28in this case and the contact they had with solicitors

0:36:28 > 0:36:29about those claims.

0:36:29 > 0:36:34She said one man launched a civil action against Manchester City in

0:36:34 > 0:36:40March 2000 and 16. -- 2016.

0:36:40 > 0:36:42She said Barry Bennell's time in prison for abuse offences

0:36:42 > 0:36:45he admitted in the past had had a "profound effect" on him.

0:36:45 > 0:36:46She said:

0:36:46 > 0:36:49"It's an inescapable fact that the man we see on that screen

0:36:49 > 0:36:52is a different man to the man who was abusing those boys."

0:36:52 > 0:36:55He is appearing by video link, which is why she says screen.What happens

0:36:55 > 0:37:01next?The judge started his summing up yesterday will continue.

0:37:01 > 0:37:04The judge told the jury of five men and seven women:

0:37:04 > 0:37:06"It is your task to consider and evaluate those arguments

0:37:06 > 0:37:08and the evidence coolly and dispassionately and,

0:37:08 > 0:37:10as both counsel have emphasised, without emotion."

0:37:10 > 0:37:11He will continue his summing up today.

0:37:11 > 0:37:15As I said, Mr Bennell denies the 45 charges in this case.

0:37:15 > 0:37:18Thank you.

0:37:18 > 0:37:19Coming up...

0:37:19 > 0:37:21More on the successful launch of Elon Musk's Falcon rocket.

0:37:21 > 0:37:23The American billionaire, whose company SpaceX

0:37:23 > 0:37:25is behind the project, has called the near flawless

0:37:25 > 0:37:29blast-off a game changer.

0:37:29 > 0:37:37We will talk more about that later.

0:37:37 > 0:37:39New exclusive research for this programme has found that,

0:37:39 > 0:37:42despite record employment levels, in parts of the country the number

0:37:42 > 0:37:44of people with a fulltime job has actually fallen over

0:37:44 > 0:37:45the last decade.

0:37:45 > 0:37:52What does the future hold for the community in Redcar?

0:37:55 > 0:37:57We used to make the finest steel in the world.

0:37:57 > 0:38:04Unfortunately, now we make lattes and sandwiches.

0:38:04 > 0:38:11If you didn't know anybody who worked in the steel industry,

0:38:11 > 0:38:13you know somebody's brother who worked in the steel industry.

0:38:13 > 0:38:14It was a close community.

0:38:14 > 0:38:17And when it shut down, there was people just wandering

0:38:17 > 0:38:18around like zombies.

0:38:18 > 0:38:21I don't think, on a national or international scale,

0:38:21 > 0:38:22there was anyone speaking for us.

0:38:22 > 0:38:26I don't think any political party was really speaking for us.

0:38:26 > 0:38:28I don't care who says, oh, yeah, they understand.

0:38:28 > 0:38:29No, they don't.

0:38:29 > 0:38:31They don't go home on a night and think,

0:38:31 > 0:38:33"Can I put the heating on?

0:38:33 > 0:38:35Have I got enough electricity? Have I got enough gas?

0:38:35 > 0:38:42What are the kids going to eat?"

0:38:42 > 0:38:44We might be white dominant, but we're certainly not racist.

0:38:44 > 0:38:45We welcome everyone here.

0:38:45 > 0:38:53It's a nice community to be in.

0:38:57 > 0:39:00Sitting on the stunning coastline of the north-eastern edge

0:39:00 > 0:39:06of England, Redcar and Cleveland is a place built on heavy industry.

0:39:06 > 0:39:09Two years ago, its steelworks closed its doors for the last time

0:39:09 > 0:39:17and with it went the jobs of almost 3,000 people.

0:39:18 > 0:39:22It's also officially the whitest part of the country,

0:39:22 > 0:39:28where 98% of the population are white British.

0:39:29 > 0:39:32But this is a place that tells the story of what happens

0:39:32 > 0:39:37to a working-class town when work is taken away.

0:39:37 > 0:39:40A place where, for 170 years, men could expect a job for life

0:39:40 > 0:39:45making its world-renowned steel.

0:39:45 > 0:39:48This is part of the country where, despite the record numbers

0:39:48 > 0:39:51of people now in work, the number of people in full-time

0:39:51 > 0:39:54jobs has actually fallen.

0:39:54 > 0:39:57Speak to anyone here, they'll tell you about lack of investment,

0:39:57 > 0:39:59frustration at Westminster and those in power, a feeling

0:39:59 > 0:40:06of being forgotten.

0:40:06 > 0:40:08And all in the long shadow of those well-paid

0:40:08 > 0:40:14steel jobs going and no chance of them coming back.

0:40:14 > 0:40:17We've got this force, Nat Task Force, and that task force

0:40:17 > 0:40:18and everything else,

0:40:18 > 0:40:21but you'll never ever going to replace what we had.

0:40:21 > 0:40:23Frankie Wales is in ex-steelworker and amateur boxer who now

0:40:23 > 0:40:24runs a local charity.

0:40:24 > 0:40:27When people say white working class, you know, you just think,

0:40:27 > 0:40:29"It's not a ghetto, that's because people haven't come

0:40:29 > 0:40:30here," and I'm not sure.

0:40:30 > 0:40:32Why do you think people haven't come here?

0:40:32 > 0:40:34Well, there's no work, is there?

0:40:34 > 0:40:35Why would you?

0:40:35 > 0:40:38As well as the boxing gym, his charity runs dance,

0:40:38 > 0:40:40bingo and activity days for older people, made possible by volunteers,

0:40:40 > 0:40:46including men from the steelworks - men who would rather be working.

0:40:46 > 0:40:48We bring a lot of the old ex-steelworkers,

0:40:48 > 0:40:54who are in their 50s, probably aren't going to work again,

0:40:54 > 0:40:58but it makes them feel better because they can sit down

0:40:58 > 0:41:01and have craic and a cup of tea, have this, that and the other

0:41:01 > 0:41:04with them and talk about some of the old times, you know.

0:41:04 > 0:41:07Terry Frank and Martin McArdle are two of those ex-steelworkers.

0:41:07 > 0:41:09The jobs they thought would take them to retirement

0:41:09 > 0:41:10disappeared in 2015.

0:41:10 > 0:41:13We had, like, 15 years and I thought, well, that's me -

0:41:13 > 0:41:1515 years, I'll be retiring, I'll be quite happy,

0:41:15 > 0:41:16you know what I mean?

0:41:16 > 0:41:19I could see my future there, could see my house paid

0:41:19 > 0:41:20for and everything.

0:41:20 > 0:41:21Everything would be done.

0:41:21 > 0:41:24Now that's gone, that's everything up in the air for me now.

0:41:24 > 0:41:26When the bell was tolling for the end of it, well,

0:41:26 > 0:41:29surely the Government can step in and help us out here.

0:41:29 > 0:41:30They've done it in other European countries.

0:41:30 > 0:41:32Why can't they do it?

0:41:32 > 0:41:33"Hands are tied."

0:41:33 > 0:41:36That's all you ever got - "Hands are tied, it's EU legislation,

0:41:36 > 0:41:38we're not allowed to step in and help."

0:41:38 > 0:41:39And you just think, come on!

0:41:39 > 0:41:42I think the working-class man around here is a thing of the past.

0:41:42 > 0:41:47You've got a group of people now who are so marginalised,

0:41:47 > 0:41:49which are the over-50, predominantly white working class

0:41:49 > 0:41:50man, who will never ever work again.

0:41:50 > 0:41:53It's like, what do you do?

0:41:53 > 0:41:56Oh, well, you go out for a drink.

0:41:56 > 0:41:59And now, we've got pubs that open at nine o'clock in the morning,

0:41:59 > 0:42:02and it's all right going out for a drink maybe Friday, Saturday,

0:42:02 > 0:42:04something like that, and then go to the work

0:42:04 > 0:42:06for the rest of the week but, unfortunately, now,

0:42:06 > 0:42:07that's all they've got,

0:42:07 > 0:42:10so they're going out at nine o'clock in the morning and

0:42:10 > 0:42:11staying out all day.

0:42:11 > 0:42:12And they used to be something.

0:42:12 > 0:42:15This pub on the high street has been open since 9am.

0:42:15 > 0:42:18None of the men here wanted to be shown on television when,

0:42:18 > 0:42:20in different times, they would have just arrived for work.

0:42:20 > 0:42:23But they talked about what they said was the indignity of navigating

0:42:23 > 0:42:25the benefits system in their late 50s.

0:42:25 > 0:42:28One had recently had his benefits stopped for eight weeks

0:42:28 > 0:42:30for missing an appointment, and they felt it was simply

0:42:30 > 0:42:33unrealistic to expect them to compete for new jobs totally

0:42:33 > 0:42:41unsuited to their skills and experience.

0:42:43 > 0:42:46But five minutes from the pub, a charity project called

0:42:46 > 0:42:49The Men's Shed offers men the chance to recreate the world of work.

0:42:49 > 0:42:51This one is for my wife.

0:42:51 > 0:42:59A few brownie points for Valentine's Day, possibly.

0:43:00 > 0:43:04It's a man's shed because it is a men's environment,

0:43:04 > 0:43:07because it's somewhere where men want to be men.

0:43:07 > 0:43:10It's difficult for men to open up and talk to people,

0:43:10 > 0:43:13unless you're in a situation like this, where you get to know

0:43:13 > 0:43:18people and you get to open up.

0:43:18 > 0:43:21And apart from that, we don't need ladies in here.

0:43:21 > 0:43:24We'd have to restrict our language and our behaviour a lot, so...

0:43:24 > 0:43:29HE CHUCKLES

0:43:29 > 0:43:31As good as it is, you'd rather be working?

0:43:31 > 0:43:35Oh, yeah, of course.

0:43:35 > 0:43:38Up until six years ago, I'd pretty much worked

0:43:38 > 0:43:39all my life, different jobs.

0:43:39 > 0:43:44It's very difficult.

0:43:44 > 0:43:49I went from earning £30,000 a year one week to benefit the next week.

0:43:49 > 0:43:52I went from earning £30,000 a year one week to benefits the next week.

0:43:52 > 0:43:57I was diagnosed with bowel and liver cancer in April 2012.

0:43:57 > 0:43:59I, sort of, keep myself going.

0:43:59 > 0:44:01I've got four kids.

0:44:01 > 0:44:03One is only six.

0:44:03 > 0:44:06I've come to the fact that I am not curable.

0:44:06 > 0:44:10It is going to kill me and it's probably going to kill me sooner

0:44:10 > 0:44:12than I really want it to, but that's the facts

0:44:12 > 0:44:15of life and you just get on with it, smile,

0:44:15 > 0:44:16keep happy and keep going.

0:44:16 > 0:44:18Keep coming here.

0:44:18 > 0:44:22I asked Mark how he felt as a man on benefits, and how people

0:44:22 > 0:44:23in his situation are seen.

0:44:23 > 0:44:24Ignored.

0:44:24 > 0:44:26Absolutely ignored.

0:44:26 > 0:44:28Their feelings are not taken into consideration,

0:44:28 > 0:44:32the emotional aspect of things is not taken into consideration.

0:44:32 > 0:44:36Politicians don't live in the real world.

0:44:36 > 0:44:40They're in a bubble and I don't care who says, oh, yeah, they understand.

0:44:40 > 0:44:41No, they don't.

0:44:41 > 0:44:43You know what I mean?

0:44:43 > 0:44:46They don't go home on a night and think,

0:44:46 > 0:44:49"Can I put the heating on? Can I put the heating on?

0:44:49 > 0:44:51Have I got enough electricity? Have I got out of gas?

0:44:51 > 0:44:55What are the kids going to eat?"

0:44:55 > 0:44:57Pictures on the internet of MPs asleep in the Comments.

0:44:57 > 0:45:01Yeah, you try and get a builder to have a nap on the job site,

0:45:01 > 0:45:02you know what I mean?

0:45:02 > 0:45:05He'd be gone, he'd be sacked, so why can't they be?

0:45:05 > 0:45:07The same charity also runs a discounted shop,

0:45:07 > 0:45:13where people on the edge can pay £2 for a basket of food.

0:45:13 > 0:45:18Because food bank clients can only have maybe three or four vouchers

0:45:18 > 0:45:22in a six-month period, and that isn't long enough for them

0:45:22 > 0:45:26to get out of the situation, the crisis period that they're in.

0:45:26 > 0:45:30They come in, take a basket and they choose ten items of food.

0:45:30 > 0:45:34People over the age of 60, 65 weren't using food

0:45:34 > 0:45:37banks because it's almost like going begging for food,

0:45:37 > 0:45:39asking for a hand-out, but they're quite happy to come

0:45:39 > 0:45:43and use the Next Step shop, because they're getting a bargain.

0:45:43 > 0:45:46We now have eight centres across the whole of Redcar and Cleveland.

0:45:46 > 0:45:49What we were finding was that people from East Cleveland were having

0:45:49 > 0:45:52to walk nine miles to come and get their food bank parcel

0:45:52 > 0:45:59and then nine miles back, carrying a couple of shopping bags.

0:45:59 > 0:46:01Just down the road is Paul Kitchener, a local entrepreneur

0:46:01 > 0:46:03who runs a bar called Steel Bay.

0:46:03 > 0:46:06It was given the name Steel Bay as a tribute to the industrial

0:46:06 > 0:46:09and steel heritage of the town.

0:46:09 > 0:46:12We did that because my grandad worked for the steelworks

0:46:12 > 0:46:15for most of his life, so it was kind of a bit of a tribute

0:46:15 > 0:46:17to what the town's heritage was.

0:46:17 > 0:46:20I don't think on a national or international scale,

0:46:20 > 0:46:24there is anyone speaking for us.

0:46:24 > 0:46:26I don't think any political party's really speaking for us.

0:46:26 > 0:46:32The country's gone, really, hasn't it?

0:46:32 > 0:46:34Britain as we used to know it's gone.

0:46:34 > 0:46:37People around here voted by three to one in favour of Brexit,

0:46:37 > 0:46:39but was that driven by worries about immigration?

0:46:39 > 0:46:42In this, the whitest bit of England, it's an easy assumption.

0:46:42 > 0:46:45Yeah, we might be white dominant but we're certainly not racist.

0:46:45 > 0:46:49I know that certainly round here, the working class aren't racist.

0:46:49 > 0:46:52You can blame them for this, that and the other but I think

0:46:52 > 0:46:58you'll find that white people are just as equally to blame,

0:46:58 > 0:47:01whether it be crime, disorder or any other thing that

0:47:01 > 0:47:02they're blamed for.

0:47:02 > 0:47:04I think the Brexit vote was about people saying,

0:47:04 > 0:47:05"Look, we're here.

0:47:05 > 0:47:09We want people to take notice of us, we want people to be aware that it's

0:47:09 > 0:47:10not all right here."

0:47:10 > 0:47:14Sue Jeffery is the Labour leader of the local council.

0:47:14 > 0:47:18We need investment, we need people, we need jobs,

0:47:18 > 0:47:21we need the opportunities that we see happening elsewhere.

0:47:21 > 0:47:25That's what it was about.

0:47:25 > 0:47:28It was about a protest vote, a vote that says, "It's time

0:47:28 > 0:47:34you took notice of us and it's time that there was changed."

0:47:34 > 0:47:36In any discussion about why Teesside's steel industry wasn't

0:47:36 > 0:47:38saved, the European Union comes up.

0:47:38 > 0:47:40But what about those wider questions of race and identity?

0:47:40 > 0:47:45How do people in the whitest part of England feel they're perceived?

0:47:45 > 0:47:47If I held a Scottish flag up and went, "Hooray

0:47:47 > 0:47:49for Scotland," you know, "It's a proud Scotsman".

0:47:49 > 0:47:52If I held an Irish flag, it would be the same,

0:47:52 > 0:47:54if I held a Welsh flag...

0:47:54 > 0:47:57Looking like me with a face like a robber's dog and no hair,

0:47:57 > 0:47:59if I held a British flag, they would go, "Oh,

0:47:59 > 0:48:00my goodness, the degradation.

0:48:00 > 0:48:01Look at that racist!"

0:48:01 > 0:48:02Last ten seconds.

0:48:02 > 0:48:04Let's have a big finish!

0:48:04 > 0:48:07And what about the next generation?

0:48:07 > 0:48:09White British state school pupils are now the least likely group

0:48:09 > 0:48:12to go to university.

0:48:12 > 0:48:14In England, pupils from a Chinese background are twice as likely

0:48:14 > 0:48:18as their white counterparts to go into higher education.

0:48:18 > 0:48:21Meanwhile, native English speakers have, for the first time,

0:48:21 > 0:48:25fallen behind schoolchildren who speak English a second language.

0:48:25 > 0:48:28We've got so much talent out there that, you know,

0:48:28 > 0:48:31unless you've got five GCSEs, you can't move on.

0:48:31 > 0:48:33Yet I'm working with kids there who are just

0:48:33 > 0:48:36unbelievably switched on.

0:48:36 > 0:48:40They're unbelievable at entrepreneurial things,

0:48:40 > 0:48:48like buying cans of Coke and selling them on the bus for 50p,

0:48:49 > 0:48:51you know, making 150%, 200% profit - that's

0:48:51 > 0:48:52entrepreneurial, isn't it?

0:48:52 > 0:48:54Unfortunately, the only thing around here at the minute that's

0:48:54 > 0:48:57entrepreneurial is selling fags or selling drugs.

0:49:01 > 0:49:04We get these kids, they get on the straight and narrow,

0:49:04 > 0:49:08we get them up on a morning, make them get out and get

0:49:08 > 0:49:11in the gym, get a bit of training going, get a bit

0:49:11 > 0:49:12of pride and self-respect.

0:49:12 > 0:49:15We teach them things that schools don't teach them,

0:49:15 > 0:49:19like how to make a cup of tea and how to get up in the morning,

0:49:19 > 0:49:21how to brush your teeth, you know, to fasten shoelaces.

0:49:21 > 0:49:24Things that...

0:49:24 > 0:49:28You know, I've seen kids at 16 years old who do not know how

0:49:28 > 0:49:31to make a cup of tea, do not know how to iron a shirt,

0:49:31 > 0:49:33do not know how to fasten shoelaces.

0:49:33 > 0:49:34And that is sad.

0:49:34 > 0:49:36There's nothing for the young lads to go to now,

0:49:36 > 0:49:37the apprenticeships.

0:49:37 > 0:49:39There's nothing getting offered to them.

0:49:39 > 0:49:40I see very little about.

0:49:40 > 0:49:45I've got a son of my own.

0:49:45 > 0:49:49Hopefully, he might go in the forces or something like that but he'll

0:49:49 > 0:49:54definitely be away from here.

0:49:54 > 0:49:57Government and council point to the success of a task force set

0:49:57 > 0:50:00up when the steel plant closed, with new businesses helped to get

0:50:00 > 0:50:02off the ground and jobs created.

0:50:06 > 0:50:09But, with full-time employment among men around here down

0:50:09 > 0:50:1613% in the last decade, is that enough to make up for what's

0:50:16 > 0:50:19being lost in places like this - proud places with proud histories?

0:50:19 > 0:50:27Imagine you're a fantastic steel-maker, the best steel

0:50:30 > 0:50:32in the world, you know, renowned from four

0:50:32 > 0:50:34corners of the world, from Teesside steel we made

0:50:34 > 0:50:36the Sydney Harbour Bridge, we made the Newcastle bridge,

0:50:36 > 0:50:39you know, all these things - wow, fantastic!

0:50:39 > 0:50:41Oh, you've got no money because we've taken that off you.

0:50:41 > 0:50:43So what are you going to do?

0:50:43 > 0:50:44Or you as a journalist...

0:50:44 > 0:50:46Well, you're not allowed to write anything.

0:50:46 > 0:50:47You can't write a book.

0:50:47 > 0:50:50Oh, no, you can't do that, because it isn't there any more.

0:50:50 > 0:50:51What would you do?

0:50:51 > 0:50:54You know, what would you do in the centre of London?

0:50:54 > 0:50:56You'd go, "oh, my goodness," and suddenly, all the MPs

0:50:56 > 0:50:59would come out and say, "This is terrible, this is terrible,

0:50:59 > 0:51:01it's probably Brexit's fault," and then they'd just go,

0:51:01 > 0:51:04"Oh, actually, yeah, there is money for that, there you go".

0:51:04 > 0:51:05But they didn't do that for us.

0:51:05 > 0:51:08They've kicked us in the teeth, they took our steel industry away.

0:51:08 > 0:51:11A lot of the problem with that is, we were told

0:51:11 > 0:51:14it was the European Union that were going to save us,

0:51:14 > 0:51:16and then it was Government that was going to save us and,

0:51:16 > 0:51:22basically, nobody saved us so, once again, it is us,

0:51:22 > 0:51:25the people on the cars of the world, again, just sort of, "There you go,

0:51:25 > 0:51:27off you go, to glue.

0:51:27 > 0:51:30We're all right in the bubble of the South".

0:51:32 > 0:51:37The Government has given us a statement, which says:

0:51:37 > 0:51:39"Official figures show there are more people in work

0:51:39 > 0:51:42than ever before in the UK with employment rising

0:51:42 > 0:51:44in every region since 2010 - more than half of this growth

0:51:44 > 0:51:47is outside London and the South East.

0:51:47 > 0:51:49Our Industrial Strategy sets out an ambitious long term plan

0:51:49 > 0:51:51for the country that tackles regional disparities

0:51:51 > 0:51:56in growth and prosperity.

0:51:56 > 0:51:59In the coming months we will be working with regions to develop

0:51:59 > 0:52:01Local Industrial Strategies that boost the productivity and earning

0:52:01 > 0:52:02power of every area."

0:52:02 > 0:52:07If you are in that area, tell us your own experience. We will speak

0:52:07 > 0:52:10to a local Labour MP and a Conservative MP to ask if they have

0:52:10 > 0:52:13forgotten Redcar, basically.

0:52:13 > 0:52:17Coming up:

0:52:17 > 0:52:20Tesco is facing Britain's largest ever equal pay law suit.

0:52:20 > 0:52:21I'll be speaking to Solicitor Kiran Daurka,

0:52:21 > 0:52:26whose firm is representing up to 1000 Tesco employees.

0:52:26 > 0:52:30Women fighting to earn the same as men who work in the warehouse. They

0:52:30 > 0:52:37say the work is not the same but of equal worth to the company. Mental

0:52:37 > 0:52:41health is a huge issue for you, which is why we cover it readily on

0:52:41 > 0:52:45our programme. You know that depression is an illness that

0:52:45 > 0:52:49affects people in all walks of life.

0:52:49 > 0:52:51Billy Kee is a striker for the Accrington Stanley.

0:52:51 > 0:52:58He's spoken to the BBC about living with severe anxiety and depression.

0:52:59 > 0:53:03I just wanted Tikrit...

0:56:06 > 0:56:13A striker for Accrington Stanley. I had to for you about Tesco. They are

0:56:13 > 0:56:17facing potentially very large equal pay suit. Ian says, having worked in

0:56:17 > 0:56:21a distribution warehouse, I can say hand on heart that those workers

0:56:21 > 0:56:28should be paid more than those shop floor staff. Another tweet, if a

0:56:28 > 0:56:31woman does the same job as a man, it is obvious she should be paid the

0:56:31 > 0:56:37same. But how can you equate lorry driving with working on a cash till?

0:56:37 > 0:56:41Another says, gutted for Tesco, one of our giant is about to be nibbled

0:56:41 > 0:56:45to near death over discrepancy that should have happened. If roles like

0:56:45 > 0:56:54for like between the the same payee should apply. And one more... I will

0:56:54 > 0:56:57read it later. News and sport on the way at ten o'clock but before that

0:56:57 > 0:57:03the weather. How are the new graphics going?

0:57:03 > 0:57:07Very well, thank you, they are quite different, have you had a chance to

0:57:07 > 0:57:11look at them yourself? No, I'm about to now.

0:57:11 > 0:57:14There are some things you will recognise, this picture here could

0:57:14 > 0:57:20be a Weather Watcher's picture. If I click this, if there is snow in the

0:57:20 > 0:57:28forecast, we can add snow, we could also add rain or wind blowing Leeds.

0:57:28 > 0:57:31The app has been updated, showing the percentage chance of rain, it

0:57:31 > 0:57:35shows the usual things and animates as well. It has 14 days ahead, as

0:57:35 > 0:57:41opposed to ten. Other things also happening with our new graphics. We

0:57:41 > 0:57:46have this lovely jet stream across North America. We can spin the globe

0:57:46 > 0:57:50to show that. Coming across the Atlantic are moving across our

0:57:50 > 0:57:53shores. If something was happening in Australia, for example, we could

0:57:53 > 0:57:58tilt this and show you Australia. Something brand-new is the forecast

0:57:58 > 0:58:02for the Aurora Brora is. We get asked this a lot. Where there is

0:58:02 > 0:58:05green and yellow, this is the forecast for tomorrow morning, you

0:58:05 > 0:58:08have not really got much of a chance of seeing the Northern lights as a

0:58:08 > 0:58:13result. If that was red and a bit further south, you certainly would.

0:58:13 > 0:58:19The other thing that has changed, look at that, recognise that?. If

0:58:19 > 0:58:23it is clear like this, that is indicating it is sunny. We have had

0:58:23 > 0:58:29wintry showers.They are clearing away. This is a band of ploughed

0:58:29 > 0:58:32ahead of a weather front coming in, the weather front producing snow on

0:58:32 > 0:58:38the hills and some rain. When we zoom into the high-resolution model,

0:58:38 > 0:58:43some clear skies around, we can add roads. If we had the M6 and it was

0:58:43 > 0:58:47snowing, you could see it and we would be able to tell you how it is

0:58:47 > 0:58:53likely to affect your journey. Do you not show the sub any more?

0:58:53 > 0:58:58We never did. It is shown by clear skies. -- the sunshine any more? In

0:58:58 > 0:59:01the old system it was brown golden but now it is green like our

0:59:01 > 0:59:05pleasant ground. What do people think?

0:59:05 > 0:59:08So far the response is good, it is exciting.

0:59:08 > 0:59:12How does it look today?

0:59:12 > 0:59:12exciting. How does it look today?

0:59:12 > 0:59:16Cold! Today looking at old conditions, in fact temperatures as

0:59:16 > 0:59:23low as -9.8 in parts of the Highlands. Sleet and snow coming in

0:59:23 > 0:59:25across the north-west. We had some of that this morning in the

0:59:25 > 0:59:30south-east. That has now pushed away. A lot of sunshine, as denoted

0:59:30 > 0:59:33by the green Victoria was talking about. As a weather front comes into

0:59:33 > 0:59:38the north-west on introducing a bit more cloud, some transient smoke at

0:59:38 > 0:59:44lower levels in northern Scotland. That will be replaced by rain. --

0:59:44 > 0:59:48transient snow. Into the afternoon, some rain in Northern Ireland, any

0:59:48 > 0:59:56snow in the hills. If you look at the temperatures, 3-6, it will feel

0:59:56 > 0:59:58cold. Not quite as cold as yesterday but cold nonetheless. Through the

0:59:58 > 1:00:04evening and overnight, the weather front advances, taking the rain and

1:00:04 > 1:00:09hill snow with it. For Wales and other thing, big cloud building. The

1:00:09 > 1:00:12clearest skies will be in Central and eastern parts of England that is

1:00:12 > 1:00:15where we have the lowest temperatures. Once again, some frost

1:00:15 > 1:00:20and once again there is the risk of ice on untreated surfaces almost

1:00:20 > 1:00:23anywhere. Tomorrow morning, under clear skies, some sunshine to start

1:00:23 > 1:00:28the day. As the weather front continues pushing steadily

1:00:28 > 1:00:36south-eastwards, it will take the cloud and this rain, the cloud

1:00:36 > 1:00:38eradicating that nice bright start in the south-east. Brighter skies

1:00:38 > 1:00:41behind and some showers coming in. Tomorrow, a little milder feeling

1:00:41 > 1:00:45than today. I don't get used to it, all change. The weather front

1:00:45 > 1:00:48continues to slip down Thursday night into Friday into the

1:00:48 > 1:00:53south-east. Cold air follows behind. A north-westerly wind coming our way

1:00:53 > 1:00:56and then a lot of wintry showers in the north and west.

1:00:57 > 1:00:59Thank you.

1:00:59 > 1:01:01Hello it's Wednesday, it's 10am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

1:01:01 > 1:01:05Women who work at Tesco say they're paid up to £3 an hour less than male

1:01:05 > 1:01:07staff who work in the company's distribution centres -

1:01:07 > 1:01:11even though their work has the same value.

1:01:11 > 1:01:13The jobs are slightly different, but, to put it bluntly,

1:01:13 > 1:01:14they're of equal value.

1:01:14 > 1:01:17You know, we deal with customers, they don't have to deal

1:01:17 > 1:01:19with customers, but we load...

1:01:19 > 1:01:22We take the stock and we load the stock.

1:01:22 > 1:01:29They load it off the lorry, and we load it onto the shelves.

1:01:29 > 1:01:32If you work at Tesco and particularly if you have to deal

1:01:32 > 1:01:36with customers, what is that like and why do you argue that is equal

1:01:36 > 1:01:40worth to those in distribution centres? Send me an e-mail.

1:01:40 > 1:01:42We'll hear from one of the lawyers representing

1:01:42 > 1:01:43around 100 of the women.

1:01:43 > 1:01:46And white working class men over 50, are they the most marginalised group

1:01:46 > 1:01:47of people in Britain?

1:01:47 > 1:01:49We've been to Redcar, which faces a bleak future

1:01:49 > 1:01:53after the steel works closed down two years ago.

1:01:53 > 1:01:58Politicians don't live in the real world. They're in a bubble. I don't

1:01:58 > 1:02:03care who says, we understand, no, they don't, you know what I mean?

1:02:03 > 1:02:06They don't go home and night thinking can I put the heating on,

1:02:06 > 1:02:09what are the kids going to eat?

1:02:09 > 1:02:11We'll ask politicians why they seem to have forgotten

1:02:11 > 1:02:13the working class town.

1:02:13 > 1:02:15A Labour and Conservative politician.

1:02:15 > 1:02:17And new rights have been announced for part-time and flexible workers

1:02:17 > 1:02:18who are self-employed.

1:02:18 > 1:02:21It means hundreds of thousands of workers will get holiday and sick

1:02:21 > 1:02:22pay for the first time.

1:02:22 > 1:02:30We'll be talking to a driver for the food delivery company.

1:02:30 > 1:02:31Good morning.

1:02:31 > 1:02:36Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of todays news.

1:02:36 > 1:02:38Tesco is facing Britain's largest ever equal pay law suit

1:02:38 > 1:02:40which could affect up to 200,000 mostly female shop workers.

1:02:40 > 1:02:43The women who work on the shop floor say they earn considerably

1:02:43 > 1:02:45less than men who work in the company's

1:02:45 > 1:02:51distribution centres.

1:02:51 > 1:02:54Lawyers estimate the supermarket could be liable for up to £4 billion

1:02:54 > 1:02:56in back pay if it loses.

1:02:56 > 1:02:59Tesco says it's not yet seen the claims, but that it works hard

1:02:59 > 1:03:03to make sure employees are paid fairly.

1:03:03 > 1:03:05Theresa May is to meet senior ministers later,

1:03:05 > 1:03:07to try to agree the Government's approach for the next stage

1:03:07 > 1:03:10of the Brexit negotiations.

1:03:10 > 1:03:13It comes after leaked documents show the European Union wants to be able

1:03:13 > 1:03:15to restrict the UK's access to the single market

1:03:15 > 1:03:17if there is a dispute after Brexit.

1:03:17 > 1:03:19The power to suspend "certain benefits" would apply

1:03:19 > 1:03:24during the post-Brexit transition phase.

1:03:24 > 1:03:26Hundreds of thousands of part-time and flexible workers

1:03:26 > 1:03:28are to receive new rights, including holiday and sick pay,

1:03:28 > 1:03:30for the first time.

1:03:30 > 1:03:32The plans are part of the government's response

1:03:32 > 1:03:35to a review into the so-called gig economy, which recommended a number

1:03:35 > 1:03:37of changes to reflect modern working practices.

1:03:37 > 1:03:40The number of self-employed workers has risen in recent years,

1:03:40 > 1:03:48partly due to apps like Uber and Deliveroo.

1:03:48 > 1:03:51The High Court will hear the start of a legal challenge this morning

1:03:51 > 1:03:54against the release of the serial sex attacker, John Worboys.

1:03:54 > 1:03:56Last month, the parole board was criticised when it announced

1:03:56 > 1:03:58that Worboys would be freed after less than nine

1:03:58 > 1:04:00years in prison.

1:04:00 > 1:04:02He is thought to have drugged and attacked more than 100

1:04:02 > 1:04:08women after picking them up in his taxi in London.

1:04:08 > 1:04:10The world's most powerful rocket, the Falcon Heavy, has successfully

1:04:10 > 1:04:13launched for the first time.

1:04:13 > 1:04:15American billionaire Elon Musk, whose company SpaceX

1:04:15 > 1:04:17is behind the project, has called it a game

1:04:17 > 1:04:21changer for space travel.

1:04:21 > 1:04:25The $19 million space craft could one day transport people

1:04:25 > 1:04:28and supplies as far as Mars, but on it's maiden voyage the cargo

1:04:28 > 1:04:30is Elon Musk's own Tesla car, with a space-suited mannequin

1:04:30 > 1:04:33in the driver's seat.

1:04:34 > 1:04:37New DNA analysis of Britain's oldest complete skeleton has found he had

1:04:37 > 1:04:40much darker skin than previously thought and blue eyes.

1:04:40 > 1:04:42The man's 10,000 year-old remains were unearthed at Cheddar Gorge more

1:04:42 > 1:04:46than a hundred years ago.

1:04:46 > 1:04:48Now breakthroughs in DNA sequencing have allowed scientists

1:04:48 > 1:04:50from the Natural History Museum to create this model

1:04:50 > 1:04:57of what he would have looked like just before he died.

1:04:57 > 1:05:05That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30am.

1:05:05 > 1:05:09We have had so many messages about the interview with Nicola Mendelson.

1:05:09 > 1:05:13She works for face and has been diagnosed with an incurable blood

1:05:13 > 1:05:17cancer and she is giving her only broadcast interview to us today. So

1:05:17 > 1:05:22many saying what an inspiration she has been by talk about this

1:05:22 > 1:05:24publicly, I will read some of those in the next 30 minutes.

1:05:24 > 1:05:27Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

1:05:27 > 1:05:30use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and if you text, you will be charged

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1:05:32 > 1:05:35We have the latest sport.

1:05:35 > 1:05:38England lost the Ashes... Won the one day series...

1:05:38 > 1:05:39But before their work is done Down Under...

1:05:39 > 1:05:42They're facing Australia AND New Zealand in a T20 tri series.

1:05:42 > 1:05:47Their first match of the tournament is against the Aussies

1:05:47 > 1:05:49in Hobart and Dawid Malan has been impressive.

1:05:49 > 1:05:51At least he was.

1:05:51 > 1:05:53But, they've struggled to pick the slower deliveries.

1:05:53 > 1:05:56Ashton Agar took a couple of catches off his own bowling.

1:05:56 > 1:05:59Malan himself was eventually out for 50 off 36 balls as England

1:05:59 > 1:06:04struggled to capitalise on a good start.

1:06:04 > 1:06:11Thunderously struck boundaries.

1:06:11 > 1:06:15143-9 with one ball to go of the 19th over.

1:06:15 > 1:06:18Swansea boss Carlos Carvalhal will face the team that sacked him

1:06:18 > 1:06:20just before Christmas in the FA Cup fifth round.

1:06:20 > 1:06:22They beat Notts County 8-1 in their fourth

1:06:22 > 1:06:23round replay last night.

1:06:23 > 1:06:26Which represented a fifth win in ten games since he took charge

1:06:26 > 1:06:29at the Liberty Stadium.

1:06:29 > 1:06:32Next up will be Sheffield Wednesday, who decided he wasn't good

1:06:32 > 1:06:40enough to get them out of the Championship.

1:06:40 > 1:06:44In December of last year.

1:06:44 > 1:06:50I'm happy to be back home. I can't say it's a normal game, no, it will

1:06:50 > 1:06:56be a special game to me because I was there... Not long time ago. But

1:06:56 > 1:07:00at the same time, it's the competition, it's the cup. Of

1:07:00 > 1:07:03course, we will try to do our best again.

1:07:03 > 1:07:05Huddersfield will host Manchester United in the fifth

1:07:05 > 1:07:07round after they beat Birmingham after extra time.

1:07:07 > 1:07:13Tom Ince rounded off the 4-1 win at St Andrews.

1:07:13 > 1:07:16And Rochdale reached the fifth round for only the third

1:07:16 > 1:07:17time in their history.

1:07:17 > 1:07:19The League One strugglers upset Championship side Millwall 1-0

1:07:19 > 1:07:21thanks to a goal from Ian Henderson.

1:07:21 > 1:07:23They'll face the winner of the replay between Tottenham

1:07:23 > 1:07:27or Newport County which takes place tonight.

1:07:27 > 1:07:30Something of a beach in Rochdale.

1:07:30 > 1:07:32Riyad Mahrez is still not training with Leicester...

1:07:32 > 1:07:35And could miss a third match in a row after he was refused

1:07:35 > 1:07:37a move to Manchester City on transfer deadline day.

1:07:37 > 1:07:40The Algerian hasn't been seen since handing in a transfer

1:07:40 > 1:07:41request a week go.

1:07:41 > 1:07:43Hoping to force through a move to the Premier League leaders

1:07:43 > 1:07:45who Leicester play on Saturday.

1:07:45 > 1:07:47Manchester City's final bid of around £60 million

1:07:47 > 1:07:52was rejected by Leicester.

1:07:52 > 1:07:54And Jason and Laura Kenny will represent Great Britain

1:07:54 > 1:07:57for the first time since the Olympics after being selected

1:07:57 > 1:08:01for the Track Cycling World Champoinships in the Netherlands.

1:08:01 > 1:08:04Since Rio they've got married, Laura's had a baby,

1:08:04 > 1:08:12And Jason has retired... Briefly...

1:08:16 > 1:08:22Before returning to competitive cycling last month. That is it,

1:08:22 > 1:08:24headlines coming up later.

1:08:24 > 1:08:30Thank you. A tweet from Judith saying I have also just been

1:08:30 > 1:08:33diagnosed with follicular lymphoma, thank you to Nicola Mendelson for

1:08:33 > 1:08:36highlighting this on your programme today. I felt so frightened and

1:08:36 > 1:08:43alone and in denial until today. This is from pan, thank you for the

1:08:43 > 1:08:47inspiring interview with the Facebook vice president. I am blown

1:08:47 > 1:08:50away by patients speaking out to raise awareness for others. Amy

1:08:50 > 1:08:53says, your programme is truly top-notch today, right now Nicola

1:08:53 > 1:08:57Mandelson on the sofa has made me think differently about cancer with

1:08:57 > 1:09:00her optimism. She has highlighted the positive aspects of social

1:09:00 > 1:09:06media. Thank you. Keep your messages coming in.

1:09:06 > 1:09:08Tesco is facing Britain's largest equal pay law suit

1:09:08 > 1:09:10which could affect up to 200,000 mostly

1:09:10 > 1:09:14female shop floor workers.

1:09:14 > 1:09:17The women say they're paid less than men who work in the company's

1:09:17 > 1:09:19distribution centres - even though their work

1:09:19 > 1:09:20is of the same value.

1:09:20 > 1:09:23Lawyers estimate Tesco could be liable for up to £4 billion

1:09:23 > 1:09:24in back pay if it loses.

1:09:24 > 1:09:34Let's hear from a couple of the women involved.

1:09:34 > 1:09:37I think that although we think we have equal rights, there are times

1:09:37 > 1:09:40where there are such discrepancies that you can't explain them.

1:09:40 > 1:09:43And I think Tesco are just one of many

1:09:43 > 1:09:46companies that really aren't addressing the fact that women seem

1:09:46 > 1:09:48to still be paid less.

1:09:48 > 1:09:50Obviously the jobs are slightly different, but to

1:09:50 > 1:09:52put it bluntly, they are of equal value.

1:09:52 > 1:09:58Yeah.

1:09:58 > 1:10:01We deal with customers, they don't have to deal

1:10:01 > 1:10:02with customers but we load...

1:10:02 > 1:10:04We take the stock, they load it off the lorry

1:10:04 > 1:10:06and we loaded onto the shelves.

1:10:06 > 1:10:07and we load it onto the shelves.

1:10:07 > 1:10:09Kiran Daurka is a partner at Leigh Day solicitors,

1:10:09 > 1:10:17the firm acting for up to 1,000 Tesco employees.

1:10:18 > 1:10:23What is the argument? The argument is that the women, mostly store

1:10:23 > 1:10:27workers, mostly women, are doing jobs which are at least equivalent

1:10:27 > 1:10:31to the men in the distribution centres.How do you know?We have

1:10:31 > 1:10:35already been running the case for tens of thousands of women who work

1:10:35 > 1:10:40at Asda and we've already won in two tribunal 's. To compare the women

1:10:40 > 1:10:43who work in the stores with the men who work in distribution centres.

1:10:43 > 1:10:47The case is still at appeal but we believe the women can compare

1:10:47 > 1:10:52themselves to men in distribution centres.How did you go about trying

1:10:52 > 1:10:59to prove that?This is at the very start of the claim.In the Asda

1:10:59 > 1:11:02case?In the Asda case it was collecting documents, collecting the

1:11:02 > 1:11:06evidence from the women who tell us the job that they do. And then it's

1:11:06 > 1:11:10a case of slowly building up a comparison of all the elements of

1:11:10 > 1:11:15the jobs that the women do and the elements of the job that the men do.

1:11:15 > 1:11:18Experts prepare an analysis and it is for the tribunal to make a

1:11:18 > 1:11:23decision.And with Tesco you are going about a similar process?

1:11:23 > 1:11:28Exactly right. In any industry where there is job gender segregation,

1:11:28 > 1:11:32there is an implicit bias within the systems and the pay structures

1:11:32 > 1:11:37reflect in balance in pay. This is one example. Retailers haven't got

1:11:37 > 1:11:41it right yet. In that we see men are attracted to distribution centre

1:11:41 > 1:11:45work and women to store work. Because it's more physical work?

1:11:45 > 1:11:50Presumably? That could be one reason. It's probably historical.

1:11:50 > 1:11:57Yes, part of society's own bias play a part in it because women feel they

1:11:57 > 1:12:00would rather work in the stores but that doesn't mean that the job that

1:12:00 > 1:12:03they do is any less demanding. I think that's where the problem lies.

1:12:03 > 1:12:07People assume that the work that men are attracted to have some sort of

1:12:07 > 1:12:13more inherent value than the women's work.Tesco deny any discrimination.

1:12:13 > 1:12:16They say they are a good employer. And a number of people would agree

1:12:16 > 1:12:23with that. Why do you say they've got it wrong in this case?I do

1:12:23 > 1:12:26think any of our clients are saying they are a bad employer but they

1:12:26 > 1:12:33want equality. -- I don't think any of our clients are saying they are a

1:12:33 > 1:12:37bad employer. We hope that Tesco will have a good, hard look at the

1:12:37 > 1:12:40pay structure is currently in place. Our clients are having a

1:12:40 > 1:12:44conversation. These types of cases will snowball because there are

1:12:44 > 1:12:47safety in numbers when you are bringing this type of claim. One

1:12:47 > 1:12:51woman speaking out and saying, come on, Tesco, do something is probably

1:12:51 > 1:12:56not going to make a change but when you have tens of thousands of people

1:12:56 > 1:13:01saying there is a problem, they have to sit up and listen.

1:13:01 > 1:13:07Is it your view that big employers, whether it's a private company like

1:13:07 > 1:13:11Tesco or a public sector organisation like the BBC, could

1:13:11 > 1:13:15never admit that that was an issue, because financially it could be so

1:13:15 > 1:13:17punitive?

1:13:19 > 1:13:24I'm not sure it is a case of whether they admit it or not. I feel they

1:13:24 > 1:13:28have ignored the problem, because they don't understand how they are

1:13:28 > 1:13:34necessarily going to deal with it. They haven't properly considered all

1:13:34 > 1:13:38of the relevant issues. I don't think it is good enough to say our

1:13:38 > 1:13:44profits or our funding or whatever it is is going to suffer. What you

1:13:44 > 1:13:49are doing is underpaying those who are the lowest paid anyway.This

1:13:49 > 1:13:54text from somebody who doesn't wish to give their name, I've worked for

1:13:54 > 1:13:58a supermarket like Tesco in the store and in the depot for 22 years.

1:13:58 > 1:14:03If you think it's the same, think again. I've done both. Working in a

1:14:03 > 1:14:07depot is a lot more stressful and pressured. It's all about the

1:14:07 > 1:14:10pick-up in the depot and you have to fill it and do it safely. If you

1:14:10 > 1:14:15drop a tin or a packet in a store, you're not likely to injure

1:14:15 > 1:14:19yourself. If you do that in a depot, you are, you could end up killing

1:14:19 > 1:14:25someone.We're not saying the job is the same, we are saying that the

1:14:25 > 1:14:29demand is equivalent. We are saying that the women who work in the

1:14:29 > 1:14:33stores have a lot of pressures on them. They have to deal with

1:14:33 > 1:14:36customer complaints, they have to make judgments as to whether they

1:14:36 > 1:14:41can sell alcohol to people, knives to people. They have to show people

1:14:41 > 1:14:43where things are, there are lots of different elements. In the back of

1:14:43 > 1:14:46the store that we don't see, there are heavy pallets they are moving

1:14:46 > 1:14:52around and having to bring up to the store.Gary says I work for Tesco on

1:14:52 > 1:14:56the shop floor, let shop floor workers, men and women apply, and do

1:14:56 > 1:14:59heavy duty jobs like moving stock in warehouses, loading and unloading

1:14:59 > 1:15:04lorries. It is not the same sitting at the till or putting items on the

1:15:04 > 1:15:08shelves. You will say it is not the same, it is of equal value.Yes.

1:15:08 > 1:15:12That's where the company disagrees.

1:15:12 > 1:15:14We don't know if the company

1:15:14 > 1:15:16We don't know if the company disagrees, we expect they probably

1:15:16 > 1:15:20will. We're waiting to hear from Tesco and we're waiting to hear why

1:15:20 > 1:15:28they think they are different jobs. Thank you. And of course, we will

1:15:28 > 1:15:33report back. Let me bring you this news. James Bulger's killer Jon

1:15:33 > 1:15:38Venables has pleaded guilty in the last minute or so of having indecent

1:15:38 > 1:15:43images of children for a second time. We will talk to our reporter

1:15:43 > 1:15:47outside the court about that in a moment.

1:15:47 > 1:15:54Let's talk about Redcar.

1:15:57 > 1:15:59One of the poorest parts of the country have seen a decline

1:15:59 > 1:16:01in full-time work over the last decade.

1:16:01 > 1:16:04This is despite the record numbers of people in work nationally.

1:16:04 > 1:16:06Our reporter Sean Clare went to Redcar and Cleveland -

1:16:06 > 1:16:09the whitest part of the country - where there's been an 8%

1:16:09 > 1:16:12decline in full-time work, and where men have been particularly

1:16:12 > 1:16:14hard since the loss of its steel plant two years ago.

1:16:23 > 1:16:25On the north-eastern edge of England, Redcar and Cleveland

1:16:25 > 1:16:29is a place built on heavy industry.

1:16:29 > 1:16:32Two years ago, the steelworks closed its doors for the last time

1:16:32 > 1:16:34and with it went the jobs of 3000 people.

1:16:34 > 1:16:36It's also officially the whitest part of England,

1:16:36 > 1:16:39with very little immigration.

1:16:39 > 1:16:42And it's a place that hasn't shared in what the Government describes

1:16:42 > 1:16:49as its "jobs miracle".

1:16:49 > 1:16:51While nationally, record numbers of people are in full-time work,

1:16:51 > 1:16:54here the number has fallen by more than 8% -

1:16:54 > 1:16:58with men suffering hardest.

1:16:58 > 1:17:06Speak to people here and you hear about a lack of investment,

1:17:06 > 1:17:08frustration at Westminster and those in positions of power,

1:17:08 > 1:17:11a feeling of being forgotten - and all in the shadow of those

1:17:11 > 1:17:14well-paid steel jobs going and no chance of them coming back.

1:17:14 > 1:17:16Frankie Wales is in ex-steelworker and amateur boxer who now

1:17:16 > 1:17:19runs a local charity.

1:17:19 > 1:17:23When people say white working class, you know, you just think,

1:17:23 > 1:17:25"It's not a ghetto, that's because people haven't come

1:17:25 > 1:17:26here," and I'm not sure.

1:17:26 > 1:17:28Why do you think people haven't come here?

1:17:28 > 1:17:30Well, there's no work, is there?

1:17:30 > 1:17:33Why would you?

1:17:33 > 1:17:36As well as the boxing gym, his charity runs dance,

1:17:36 > 1:17:44bingo and activity days for older people, made possible by volunteers,

1:17:44 > 1:17:45including men from the steelworks.

1:17:45 > 1:17:48We had, like, 15 years and I thought, well, that's me -

1:17:48 > 1:17:5015 years, I'll be retiring, I'll be quite happy,

1:17:50 > 1:17:51you know what I mean?

1:17:51 > 1:17:54I could see my future there, could see my house paid

1:17:54 > 1:17:55for and everything.

1:17:55 > 1:17:56Everything would be done.

1:17:56 > 1:17:59Now that's gone, that's everything up in the air for me now.

1:17:59 > 1:18:02You've got a group of people now who are so marginalised,

1:18:02 > 1:18:04which are the over 50, predominantly white working class

1:18:04 > 1:18:06man, who will never ever work again.

1:18:06 > 1:18:07Last ten seconds.

1:18:07 > 1:18:09Let's have a big finish!

1:18:09 > 1:18:11And what about the next generation?

1:18:11 > 1:18:14White British state school pupils are now the least likely group

1:18:14 > 1:18:17to go to university.

1:18:17 > 1:18:19In England, pupils from a Chinese background are twice as likely

1:18:19 > 1:18:25as their white counterparts to go into higher education.

1:18:25 > 1:18:28Meanwhile, native English speakers have, for the first time,

1:18:28 > 1:18:32fallen behind schoolchildren who speak English as a second language.

1:18:32 > 1:18:35There's nothing for the young lads to go to now,

1:18:35 > 1:18:36the apprenticeships.

1:18:36 > 1:18:37There's nothing getting offered to them.

1:18:37 > 1:18:39I see very little about.

1:18:39 > 1:18:40I've got a son of my own.

1:18:40 > 1:18:42He's leaving college, finished his A-levels.

1:18:42 > 1:18:43Where he'll go...

1:18:43 > 1:18:44He won't be around here.

1:18:44 > 1:18:47Hopefully, he might go in the forces or something like that but he'll

1:18:47 > 1:18:48definitely be away from here.

1:18:48 > 1:18:51Government and council point to the success of the task force set

1:18:51 > 1:18:54up when the steel plant closed, with new businesses helped to get

1:18:54 > 1:18:58off the ground and jobs created.

1:18:58 > 1:19:00But, with full-time employment among men around here down

1:19:00 > 1:19:0313% in the last decade, is that enough to make up for what's

1:19:03 > 1:19:06been lost in places like this?

1:19:06 > 1:19:14And you can see the full version of that film at bbc.co.uk/victoria.

1:19:15 > 1:19:17That is our programme page.

1:19:17 > 1:19:19Let's talk about some of the issues raised in that film

1:19:19 > 1:19:20and what should be done.

1:19:20 > 1:19:23Simon Clarke is the Conservative MP for nearby Middlesbrough South

1:19:23 > 1:19:27and East Cleveland, Chi Onwurah is Labour's business spokesperson

1:19:27 > 1:19:30and MP for Newcastle Central, and Stephen Clarke is a jobs expert

1:19:30 > 1:19:33from the Resolution Foundation which is a think tank that aims

1:19:33 > 1:19:37to improve the living standards of low and middle income families.

1:19:37 > 1:19:43I want to get all of your reaction first of all to this fact that

1:19:43 > 1:19:46full-time employment for men in Redcar is down 13% in the last

1:19:46 > 1:19:51decade.Well, that stat is one that goes to the heart of why we need to

1:19:51 > 1:19:56make a success...Sure, what needs to be done... Howdy reactor that?It

1:19:56 > 1:20:02shows precisely the challenges we face as an area, I represent half of

1:20:02 > 1:20:05Redcar and Cleveland as my constituency, of why we need to make

1:20:05 > 1:20:12a success of government policy.Are you shocked?No, it is the reality

1:20:12 > 1:20:16of thousands of my constituents and precisely why we need to change

1:20:16 > 1:20:21course.Howdy reactor that?It is shocking, shocking. It is the

1:20:21 > 1:20:25reality but it is still shocking there is such a reduction in

1:20:25 > 1:20:31employment and it is a direct consequence of a lack of investment,

1:20:31 > 1:20:35abandonment, a Tory government determined to fulfil posterity

1:20:35 > 1:20:41pledges rather than economic pledges for working-class people.Are you

1:20:41 > 1:20:45saying if Labour was in government you would have rescued the steel

1:20:45 > 1:20:50industry?We set out a plan at the time to support the steel industry

1:20:50 > 1:20:54specifically, for example, measures against the dumping of Chinese steel

1:20:54 > 1:20:58which the previous government blocked at the European level to

1:20:58 > 1:21:02block the energy intensive requirements of the industry. All of

1:21:02 > 1:21:07that was quite doable under European Union regulations. EU says no was

1:21:07 > 1:21:13the Tory government's excuse for not being willing to support this

1:21:13 > 1:21:18critical and strategic industry, as well as the jobs... The EU says no

1:21:18 > 1:21:24was your excuse for not having an industrial strategy.It is the

1:21:24 > 1:21:28reason why our area voted so decisively to leave the EU, EU law

1:21:28 > 1:21:34would have made it illegal.You could have supported their energy

1:21:34 > 1:21:38requirements, the reduction in the energy costs, that was entirely

1:21:38 > 1:21:43legal under EU law. Measures against dumping of Chinese law, that is

1:21:43 > 1:21:48something you could have supported. Attracting investment into the

1:21:48 > 1:21:51region... There were many moods you could have done that the Tory

1:21:51 > 1:21:58government could have done but chose to blame the EU.A task force set up

1:21:58 > 1:22:03after the plant closed said it created 1800 jobs, 99% of the men

1:22:03 > 1:22:08who lost their jobs have since ended their benefit claims. That is a

1:22:08 > 1:22:12success, isn't it?It is certainly fantastic that there have been...

1:22:12 > 1:22:17Many of those have found jobs. It is also thanks to investment in

1:22:17 > 1:22:20training, which unfortunately is not available in other areas. Those jobs

1:22:20 > 1:22:26are less well-paid. When you end benefits is not always because you

1:22:26 > 1:22:29have found a job, it might be for other reasons. The jobs that have

1:22:29 > 1:22:35been found less well-paid. As your statistic just showed, they are less

1:22:35 > 1:22:40likely to be full-time. What the men and it's mainly men, of Redcar

1:22:40 > 1:22:44required with high wage, high productivity, high skilled jobs.You

1:22:44 > 1:22:50clearly heard in that film, they don't think Labour, the

1:22:50 > 1:22:54Conservatives, Ukip or anyone speaking up for them.That is what

1:22:54 > 1:22:58we have do change matters why we are developing an industrial strategy

1:22:58 > 1:23:02which is absolutely focused on high wage, high skill, high productivity

1:23:02 > 1:23:06jobs.What have you been doing since the plant close? They don't feel you

1:23:06 > 1:23:13are speaking for them, whatever party.Can I come in, one of the

1:23:13 > 1:23:19most ambitious regeneration projects in the country. £123 million, to

1:23:19 > 1:23:25create 20,000 jobs... You know as well as I do...It is two years.In

1:23:25 > 1:23:28the context of the closure of one of the larger steel plants of the

1:23:28 > 1:23:33country and we have secured work for 99% of people lost their jobs. We

1:23:33 > 1:23:37had a hugely ambitious plan, funded by one had been 23 million in the

1:23:37 > 1:23:41autumn budget to turn it around. The tone of that piece goes to the heart

1:23:41 > 1:23:45of the problem, namely that if Labour continue to say, all is lost

1:23:45 > 1:23:50in the north-east, if the BBC to continue to run that with the title,

1:23:50 > 1:23:57former steel town facing bleak future, it cements the decline...

1:23:57 > 1:24:01You might not like the reality of what people said to us but it is the

1:24:01 > 1:24:05reality. What is your view about why there has been a 13% decline in full

1:24:05 > 1:24:10employment in this area?I think what it goes to the heart to is the

1:24:10 > 1:24:13success of the British economy in some respects but also its

1:24:13 > 1:24:16weaknesses. Full-time record employment that half of those

1:24:16 > 1:24:21full-time jobs have been created in London. Lots of the country are

1:24:21 > 1:24:29missing out on this success and they are seeing decades of industrial

1:24:29 > 1:24:32change not being substituted by other work. They are deep-seated

1:24:32 > 1:24:35problems and have been around probably since the 80s. Whether they

1:24:35 > 1:24:38can be addressed very quickly is probably quite difficult to imagine,

1:24:38 > 1:24:44I would guess.What would your solution be?We need to think about

1:24:44 > 1:24:48who these people are and what their needs are. Active policies to help

1:24:48 > 1:24:51them, targeting the exact needs. People with disabilities perhaps

1:24:51 > 1:24:55have different needs to people who have come out of work in the

1:24:55 > 1:24:58steelworks. They need employment programmes tailored to them and

1:24:58 > 1:25:02worked around them. It understanding if it is a lack of educational

1:25:02 > 1:25:07health problems, that is important. It is not one size fits all. We have

1:25:07 > 1:25:12seen promising improvements in the last decade, particular for single

1:25:12 > 1:25:16parents getting into work. We haven't seen the same success with

1:25:16 > 1:25:19men and people with disabilities. Turning the focus to those new

1:25:19 > 1:25:26challenge groups of government to do.The local MP for Redcar told me

1:25:26 > 1:25:31a symbolic story of how a local steelworker, made redundant from

1:25:31 > 1:25:35Redcar was offered as his training opportunity into work and

1:25:35 > 1:25:41apprenticeship in sandwich making for a Subway. Entry level into the

1:25:41 > 1:25:45hospitality industry may be very appropriate for some people, but not

1:25:45 > 1:25:51for these, this area and these men who have had fantastic skilled jobs.

1:25:51 > 1:25:58What would be it a more appropriate apprenticeship job?A technician in

1:25:58 > 1:26:01the many jobs that will be created... For example, we said in

1:26:01 > 1:26:06our manifesto we will create a local materials and metal catapulted bring

1:26:06 > 1:26:11innovation into the region. We need improved skills, we need improved

1:26:11 > 1:26:15opportunities and we need improved investment. Your government is not

1:26:15 > 1:26:22offering any of those.That anecdote, I agree that that is a

1:26:22 > 1:26:24completely inappropriate apprenticeship but it's not a

1:26:24 > 1:26:28reality of the kind of jobs we are looking to create. The energy

1:26:28 > 1:26:36minister is up on Thursday, talking about new jobs in clean energy,

1:26:36 > 1:26:41massive opportunities around carbon capture and storage. Major

1:26:41 > 1:26:44multinational investors looking to move in on this site. What people on

1:26:44 > 1:26:49Teesside is tired of it is precisely that kind of negativity.I was

1:26:49 > 1:26:55talking about the opportunities in the metals industry.You talk of

1:26:55 > 1:26:58turbans of betrayal and decline. People are bored of it, sick and

1:26:58 > 1:27:05tired of it. The reason I have been elected to represent one of the most

1:27:05 > 1:27:08deprived constituencies in our country if we are on the side of the

1:27:08 > 1:27:11optimist in this community. Of course, I grew up on Teesside, this

1:27:11 > 1:27:17is my home area, I have seen this decline in the last 30 years and am

1:27:17 > 1:27:21determined to reverse it.Thank you all, thank you very much for coming

1:27:21 > 1:27:28in. We will bring you the latest news and sport at 10:30am. And the

1:27:28 > 1:27:33world's most powerful rocket launched for the first time.

1:27:33 > 1:27:38Billionaire Elon Musk has called it a game changer for space travel.

1:27:38 > 1:27:44It could one day transport people and supplies as far as Mars but on

1:27:44 > 1:27:59its maiden voyage the cargo is Elon Musk's Tesla. Here is a package.

1:29:21 > 1:29:24Joining me is Andrew Coates, professor of physics

1:29:24 > 1:29:26and Deputy Director of the Mullard Space

1:29:26 > 1:29:32Science Laboratory at University College London.

1:29:32 > 1:29:38Hello, Professor.Good morning.How exciting it is for you?Exciting to

1:29:38 > 1:29:42see a new rocket going into space at any time and this particular rocket

1:29:42 > 1:29:45is the most powerful rocket currently available, it was able to

1:29:45 > 1:29:50launch successfully and crucially to land some of the bits of it, the

1:29:50 > 1:29:54booster rockets on the side of it, back on Earth successfully. Almost

1:29:54 > 1:29:57like watching a ballet going on, seeing those two land at the same

1:29:57 > 1:30:01time. It is all about cheapening the access to space and this is

1:30:01 > 1:30:05something which is remarkable success.What could the rocket be

1:30:05 > 1:30:10used for?The rocket could be used for taking anything into the solar

1:30:10 > 1:30:15system. I think the main use of it is commercial use in space. It is

1:30:15 > 1:30:21reducing the cost of access to space for basically large satellites which

1:30:21 > 1:30:24could go to low Earth orbit or medium Earth orbit. Of course, with

1:30:24 > 1:30:30a car on top, which will be orbiting beyond Mars and out to the asteroid

1:30:30 > 1:30:35belt, it shows you could go further than that and take relatively large

1:30:35 > 1:30:41Rovers or something like that to Mars. In terms of people in space,

1:30:41 > 1:30:48actually having, using the moon as a staging point, that would be the

1:30:48 > 1:30:51type of thing which would be good in the future. With Mars we have to be

1:30:51 > 1:30:55a little careful, because we have some very interesting scientific

1:30:55 > 1:31:00exploration which we need to do. We are doing that with the Mars rover

1:31:00 > 1:31:04in 2020, this will drill under the surface of Mars to look for signs of

1:31:04 > 1:31:09life. So the last thing we want to do is take humans or indeed crash

1:31:09 > 1:31:13cars into the surface of Mars, because that would contaminate Mars.

1:31:13 > 1:31:18I think we have to be careful. It does show a new and interesting

1:31:18 > 1:31:22capability of launching into space.

1:31:22 > 1:31:28Is this now about a new, commercial, private race to space?I think

1:31:28 > 1:31:32mainly it is that. There are a number of companies building rockets

1:31:32 > 1:31:39which could potentially be used. We have Nasa, the European Space

1:31:39 > 1:31:44Agency, the Chinese space agency, the Russian space agency, the Indian

1:31:44 > 1:31:49space agency, they can launch things interspace. They play very important

1:31:49 > 1:31:57roles. This adds to the humankind's Arsenal to take things into space,

1:31:57 > 1:32:03to reduce the cost at the end of the day it is a commercial operation. A

1:32:03 > 1:32:10shift towards the commercial side, particularly in the US. They

1:32:10 > 1:32:13launched a rocket which could eventually take a rocket to the

1:32:13 > 1:32:18moon. This is an extra launcher, not man rated, it cannot take people but

1:32:18 > 1:32:23it is something which many will be used for commercial trips.Thank

1:32:23 > 1:32:24you.

1:32:24 > 1:32:26Still to come:

1:32:26 > 1:32:36An overhaul of the gig economy. Holiday and sick pay promised for --

1:32:36 > 1:32:42sick pay promised for people like you. Norway reckons 90% of its

1:32:42 > 1:32:52plastic bottles could be recycled using a deposit -based system.

1:32:52 > 1:32:54Time for the latest news - here's Annita.

1:32:54 > 1:32:57Jon Venables, one of two men convicted of killing James Bulger,

1:32:57 > 1:33:01has pleaded guilty to having indecent images of children.

1:33:01 > 1:33:04The 35-year-old, who served eight years for the murder of James Bulger

1:33:04 > 1:33:09in 1993, was recalled to prison last year.

1:33:09 > 1:33:12He appeared via videolink at the Old Bailey this morning

1:33:12 > 1:33:15and spoke only to confirm his name and to plead guilty to four charges,

1:33:15 > 1:33:18three of making indecent images of children and one of possessing

1:33:18 > 1:33:20a paedophile manual.

1:33:22 > 1:33:25Tesco is facing Britain's largest ever equal pay law suit

1:33:25 > 1:33:27which could affect up to 200,000 mostly female shop workers.

1:33:27 > 1:33:30The women who work on the shop floor say they earn considerably

1:33:30 > 1:33:32less than men who work in the company's

1:33:32 > 1:33:35distribution centres.

1:33:35 > 1:33:37Lawyers estimate the supermarket could be liable for up

1:33:37 > 1:33:41to £4 billion in back pay if it loses.

1:33:41 > 1:33:43Tesco says it's not yet seen the claims,

1:33:43 > 1:33:48but that it works hard to make sure employees are paid fairly.

1:33:48 > 1:33:50Theresa May is to meet senior ministers later,

1:33:50 > 1:33:53to try to agree the government's approach for the next stage

1:33:53 > 1:33:54of the Brexit negotiations.

1:33:54 > 1:33:58It comes after leaked documents show the European Union wants to be able

1:33:58 > 1:34:00to restrict the UK's access to the single market

1:34:00 > 1:34:05if there is a dispute after Brexit.

1:34:05 > 1:34:07The power to suspend "certain benefits" would apply during

1:34:07 > 1:34:09the post-Brexit transition phase.

1:34:09 > 1:34:11Hundreds of thousands of part-time and flexible workers

1:34:11 > 1:34:13are to receive new rights, including holiday and sick pay,

1:34:13 > 1:34:17for the first time.

1:34:17 > 1:34:19The plans are part of the government's response

1:34:19 > 1:34:22to a review into the so-called gig economy, which recommended a number

1:34:22 > 1:34:24of changes to reflect modern working practices.

1:34:24 > 1:34:26The number of self-employed workers has risen in recent years, partly

1:34:26 > 1:34:34due to apps like Uber and Deliveroo.

1:34:36 > 1:34:39That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

1:34:39 > 1:34:42England have set Australia 156 to win their first match

1:34:42 > 1:34:43of the T20 tri series.

1:34:43 > 1:34:45After a promising start England lost wickets regularly before

1:34:45 > 1:34:48Chris Jordan's six off the final ball helped them to

1:34:48 > 1:34:56to a score of 155-9.

1:34:56 > 1:35:00Momentum as well because David Willey has taken two wickets in the

1:35:00 > 1:35:02first over of Australia's reply, they are 5-2.

1:35:02 > 1:35:06Swansea thrashed Notts County 8-1 to set up a FA Cup fifth round tie

1:35:06 > 1:35:08against their new manager Carlos Carvalhal's former club

1:35:08 > 1:35:09Sheffield Wednesday.

1:35:09 > 1:35:15He was sacked by the Championship team just before Christmas.

1:35:15 > 1:35:17British sprinter Nigel Levine has been provisionally suspended

1:35:17 > 1:35:18for failing a drugs test.

1:35:18 > 1:35:20The European indoor relay gold medallist has not competed

1:35:20 > 1:35:28since he broke his pelvis in a motorbike crash last January.

1:35:30 > 1:35:32And Jason and Laura Kenny will represent Great Britain

1:35:32 > 1:35:34for the first time since the Olympics after being selected

1:35:34 > 1:35:38for the Track Cycling World Champoinships in the Netherlands.

1:35:38 > 1:35:40Since Rio they've got married, Laura's had a baby,

1:35:40 > 1:35:47and Jason has retired... Briefly...

1:35:47 > 1:35:51More in the next hour.Thank you.

1:35:51 > 1:35:54The Prime Minister will meet senior ministers today and tomorrow

1:35:54 > 1:35:59to agree the Government's approach to Brexit.

1:35:59 > 1:36:02She's having a very tricky time of it.

1:36:02 > 1:36:10She's being pulled in many different directions.

1:36:10 > 1:36:11And this morning the body that represents 75,000

1:36:11 > 1:36:13businesses in the UK, the British Chambers of Commerce,

1:36:13 > 1:36:16asked her for urgent clarity on how she's going to deliver Brexit.

1:36:16 > 1:36:17Here's Norman.

1:36:17 > 1:36:21Clarity is the thing that's missing. She's only been able to keep the

1:36:21 > 1:36:26show on the road because of the ambiguity?I'm tempted to say,

1:36:26 > 1:36:31that's politics. A profoundly divided party and a divided Cabinet,

1:36:31 > 1:36:36how do you keep everyone together? Indulge in a bit of verbal

1:36:36 > 1:36:41gymnastics, habit of linguistic dexterity. To put it bluntly, Ye

1:36:41 > 1:36:45Olde the fudge. That is how everyone can rally behind a position. We've

1:36:45 > 1:36:49had a lot of that. Mrs May has repeatedly saying she wants a

1:36:49 > 1:36:54bespoke deal or a deep and special relationship. That's fine and dandy

1:36:54 > 1:36:59and everyone can say I agree. But we are getting to the stage when we are

1:36:59 > 1:37:04actually going to have to spit out what it is that we want. We're now

1:37:04 > 1:37:10getting really close to the cusp of the negotiations. When we are going

1:37:10 > 1:37:15to have to start pencilling some detail. That is the two days of

1:37:15 > 1:37:21meeting going on today and designed to begin to nail down. You are

1:37:21 > 1:37:24right, there is incredible frustration so far at the lack of

1:37:24 > 1:37:28clarity. Not just from the business community but on her own benches,

1:37:28 > 1:37:32have a listen to the former Tory Chancellor, Kenneth Clarke.

1:37:32 > 1:37:34I wished Downing Street spokesmen would shut up sometimes,

1:37:34 > 1:37:36because they put out completely meaningless statements.

1:37:36 > 1:37:39Apparently it's going to be frictionless and we're quite happy

1:37:39 > 1:37:42to have a customs arrangement, but we're not going in the customs

1:37:42 > 1:37:44union and we're not going in the single market.

1:37:44 > 1:37:46That is completely contradictory.

1:37:46 > 1:37:48It's like talking about the Irish border, saying we're

1:37:48 > 1:37:51going to have a completely open border, but we're not

1:37:51 > 1:37:54going to have a customs union and we're not going to have

1:37:54 > 1:37:55regulatory conversions on both sides.

1:37:55 > 1:38:03One half of that contradicts the second half.

1:38:04 > 1:38:08If the British government does not start saying what we want, common

1:38:08 > 1:38:13other words, setting out our game plan, the danger is into that vacuum

1:38:13 > 1:38:18stepped the EU negotiators. They could say, if you will not say what

1:38:18 > 1:38:21you want, we will do how you what we think you should want. It gives them

1:38:21 > 1:38:27the whip hand and they start setting down the terms and then we have to

1:38:27 > 1:38:31respond to what they are prepared to offer, rather than seizing the

1:38:31 > 1:38:33initiative.Thank you.

1:38:33 > 1:38:36Let's talk now to Anastassia Beliakova from the British

1:38:36 > 1:38:37Chambers of Commerce - representing the organisation's

1:38:37 > 1:38:43stance on trade policy and Brexit for its members.

1:38:43 > 1:38:47And Sam Coates is the Deputy Political Editor at The Times.

1:38:47 > 1:38:52Thank you for coming onto the programme. How is a lack of clarity

1:38:52 > 1:38:56on Brexit harming business? Businesses are trying to understand

1:38:56 > 1:39:00what exactly they should do. We know now there will be a transition

1:39:00 > 1:39:04period, that gives some short-term clarity. We know it will be on the

1:39:04 > 1:39:08same terms as we have now but looking further ahead, looking at

1:39:08 > 1:39:11investment decisions, where they need to go to get the products to

1:39:11 > 1:39:15sell on the market, where they should expand command that, we have

1:39:15 > 1:39:19absolutely no clarity. If government were to outline their vision for

1:39:19 > 1:39:22what they want in a future relationship with the EU, that would

1:39:22 > 1:39:28really help to make those investment decisions.Sam, is Theresa May

1:39:28 > 1:39:31keeping her vision close to her chest because of the disagreements

1:39:31 > 1:39:36in her party or does she not yet have a vision?Here we are, 19

1:39:36 > 1:39:40months after the referendum and she hasn't made a speech saying what her

1:39:40 > 1:39:44vision is. Her own advisers are coming up with visions but it's not

1:39:44 > 1:39:48clear whether she agrees with them. In the end, Theresa May's vision can

1:39:48 > 1:39:53only be what she can get through her Cabinet and through her party. She

1:39:53 > 1:39:58is almost a passive actor, letting it unfold around her. Perhaps that

1:39:58 > 1:40:01is the smartest and shrewdest political way to go about this but

1:40:01 > 1:40:05it essentially creates a vacuum. As Norman suggested, into that vacuum

1:40:05 > 1:40:09is being poured lots of ideas from the extremes of the Conservative

1:40:09 > 1:40:13Party. Anna Soubry on one wing, Jacob Rees-Mogg on the other. And

1:40:13 > 1:40:17the European Commission. What is painful for Theresa May is that

1:40:17 > 1:40:21Europe is starting to turn the screw. They are saying, look, we

1:40:21 > 1:40:25know what you are doing, we know you want to delay decisions and then

1:40:25 > 1:40:29fudge them and we will use every tool in our armoury not to let you

1:40:29 > 1:40:33do that. We will give you a six-week deadline. In the next six weeks, you

1:40:33 > 1:40:36have got to sort out what you want to do with Northern Ireland. And

1:40:36 > 1:40:40what to do with the transition. If you can't do that in that period,

1:40:40 > 1:40:45you might not get either.Anastacia, Sam talks about a six-week deadline,

1:40:45 > 1:40:50your businesses are talking about a two week deadline.Time is running

1:40:50 > 1:40:54out is the final point on this. We know that the next EU Council summit

1:40:54 > 1:40:59will be on the 22nd at 23rd of March. That means that when the

1:40:59 > 1:41:03guidelines for the next stage of the negotiations are adopted, what will

1:41:03 > 1:41:07be discussed by the end of these withdrawal arrangements, once that

1:41:07 > 1:41:11is decided, there is very little opportunity to change the

1:41:11 > 1:41:14discussion. If the government and the Prime Minister becomes more

1:41:14 > 1:41:18proactive in outlining her vision, this bodes well for the negotiations

1:41:18 > 1:41:24and it means that businesses are now waiting to understand what do in the

1:41:24 > 1:41:27next year and further ahead, they will be able to make decisions with

1:41:27 > 1:41:35a lot more.Sam, do you think things will get any easier for Theresa May?

1:41:35 > 1:41:39Within her own party, let alone anything else. Once she has and once

1:41:39 > 1:41:45they have come to a decision about what Brexit means.

1:41:45 > 1:41:48The problem is, for 19 months Theresa May has tried to avoid

1:41:48 > 1:41:54coming down on either side of the debate. Suggesting we should stay

1:41:54 > 1:41:58fairly aligned with the European Union or that we should pull apart

1:41:58 > 1:42:01from the European Union, instead preferring to dodge the question or

1:42:01 > 1:42:05kicked it into the long grass. It doesn't feel like we can put it off

1:42:05 > 1:42:09much longer. She will have to pick a side and at which point she will

1:42:09 > 1:42:13come in for an awful lot of flak. You are seeing in the last couple of

1:42:13 > 1:42:17weeks, the newspaper stories, appearances in the Commons, both

1:42:17 > 1:42:21wings of the Conservative Party shaking their tail feathers. Showing

1:42:21 > 1:42:26a bit of muscle, showing just how many people are on their side of the

1:42:26 > 1:42:30argument, as a way of threatening her to do what they want to see. You

1:42:30 > 1:42:34have a Westminster Hall debate right now where a whole load of pro-Remain

1:42:34 > 1:42:39Tory MPs are setting out their vision, saying look at us, like many

1:42:39 > 1:42:42people are here. Jacob Rees-Mogg's gang, the European research unit,

1:42:42 > 1:42:47going to Downing Street, the Chief Whip's office, looking at their

1:42:47 > 1:42:53power. She will have to choose somebody will be disappointed. The

1:42:53 > 1:42:56question is, do Tory MPs ultimately put the future of Brexit and the

1:42:56 > 1:43:00country ahead of the future of the party. At this point, could not tell

1:43:00 > 1:43:07you which way it is going to go. Thank you.

1:43:07 > 1:43:13Still to come:

1:43:13 > 1:43:15Norway recycles an incredible 98% of all its plastic bottles -

1:43:15 > 1:43:21Britain manages just 50%. So why can't we do the same here?

1:43:21 > 1:43:24The High Court will hear the start of a legal challenge this morning

1:43:24 > 1:43:28against the release of the serial sex attacker, John Worboys.

1:43:28 > 1:43:31Last month, the parole board was criticised when it announced

1:43:31 > 1:43:37that Worboys would be freed after less than ten years in prison.

1:43:37 > 1:43:39The action is being brought by two of his victims

1:43:39 > 1:43:45and the London Mayor, Sadiq Khan.

1:43:45 > 1:43:47One of those victims spoke to Radio 4's Today programme.

1:43:47 > 1:43:50She explains that soon after she got into his cab,

1:43:50 > 1:43:52she was offered a drink.

1:43:52 > 1:43:56I took the drink.

1:43:56 > 1:43:59I didn't particularly want it, to be honest, because I didn't

1:43:59 > 1:44:01really want to drink that much that night, because I had

1:44:01 > 1:44:03to get home to the baby.

1:44:03 > 1:44:04I did take the drink.

1:44:04 > 1:44:07It's one of those situations that you just think,

1:44:07 > 1:44:09"Oh, I don't really want this".

1:44:09 > 1:44:12I took a sip out of it and it was a very strong orange

1:44:12 > 1:44:15liqueur and then we went over a speed bump and I spilt

1:44:15 > 1:44:19most of it over myself.

1:44:19 > 1:44:24I excused myself and I said, "I'm ever so sorry, I've spilt it,"

1:44:24 > 1:44:28and he said, "no, that's OK" and he poured me another one.

1:44:28 > 1:44:30And then I just thought, "I don't really want this",

1:44:30 > 1:44:33but I just drank it because you're in that situation, just drink

1:44:33 > 1:44:34the drink, take me home.

1:44:34 > 1:44:35And then he pulled over...

1:44:35 > 1:44:37No, he asked me if I wanted a cigarette.

1:44:37 > 1:44:40And then he pulled over and he said he was going

1:44:40 > 1:44:42to have a cigarette as well.

1:44:42 > 1:44:45And I remember him getting in the back of the cab with me.

1:44:45 > 1:44:46But that was it.

1:44:46 > 1:44:48I don't remember anything other than waking up

1:44:48 > 1:44:49in hospital the next morning.

1:44:49 > 1:44:52I know I was raped.

1:44:52 > 1:44:54I knew as soon as I woke up, I'd been raped.

1:44:54 > 1:44:55I didn't...

1:44:55 > 1:44:58I didn't really know where I was at the time and I just

1:44:58 > 1:45:01woke up and I was very confused and disorientated.

1:45:01 > 1:45:04I jumped out of the bed and I remember pulling a tube out

1:45:04 > 1:45:08of my arm and going to the toilet and as soon as I went to the toilet

1:45:08 > 1:45:15I knew I'd been raped.

1:45:15 > 1:45:17Meanwhile, the chair of the Parole Board, Nick Hardwick,

1:45:17 > 1:45:21has been giving evidence to the Justice Committee.

1:45:21 > 1:45:25He explained how a parole board panel weighs up evidence

1:45:25 > 1:45:29and makes its decisions in cases similar to Worboys'...

1:45:29 > 1:45:33And essentially, you're looking at, in terms of risk, you're be

1:45:33 > 1:45:40looking at two things.

1:45:40 > 1:45:42-- you'll be looking at two things.

1:45:42 > 1:45:45You're looking at whether you think risk has been reduced

1:45:45 > 1:45:47and then you're looking at whether the residual risk can be

1:45:47 > 1:45:50managed in the community, if risk management plans are robust,

1:45:50 > 1:45:52and on that basis, you make a decision.

1:45:52 > 1:45:55But if you conclude, and the test, of course, is that you are ...

1:45:55 > 1:46:03Causing concern in some quarters, that you're satisfied that it is no

1:46:03 > 1:46:06longer necessary for the protection of the publicb that the prisoner

1:46:06 > 1:46:07should be detained.

1:46:07 > 1:46:10The prisoner has to demonstrate that they are safe to release,

1:46:10 > 1:46:12not the system demonstrate that it's the other way round.

1:46:12 > 1:46:14If a prisoner demonstrate that, then we're statutorily

1:46:14 > 1:46:17obliged to release them.

1:46:17 > 1:46:20The chair of the parole board, giving evidence to the Justice

1:46:20 > 1:46:23select committee this morning.

1:46:23 > 1:46:25Millions of workers in the so-called gig economy

1:46:25 > 1:46:26are to receive new rights, including the enforcement

1:46:26 > 1:46:29of holiday and sick pay.

1:46:29 > 1:46:31The plans are part of the Government's response

1:46:31 > 1:46:34to a far-reaching review of modern business practices by

1:46:34 > 1:46:37Matthew Taylor, the chief executive of the Royal Society of Arts.

1:46:37 > 1:46:39Ministers say they'll also crack down on employers who make unpaid

1:46:39 > 1:46:44interns do the jobs of workers, and will introduce a naming

1:46:44 > 1:46:47and shaming scheme for companies which fail to pay employment

1:46:47 > 1:46:52tribunal awards.

1:46:52 > 1:46:59Let's talk to Matthew Taylor who headed the review,

1:46:59 > 1:47:02Hannah Reid joins us from the TUC.

1:47:02 > 1:47:04And Sergio Ramos, who is a Deliveroo worker and a member

1:47:04 > 1:47:06of the IWGB union.

1:47:06 > 1:47:14Welcome to all of you. First of all, Sergio, your reaction?Get sick pay

1:47:14 > 1:47:20and holidays, that's a great thing for anyone. I have children that

1:47:20 > 1:47:32help me to be with them... We expect the companies to look after us as

1:47:32 > 1:47:37well, not just like, you're a contractor and then they can finish

1:47:37 > 1:47:42contracts anywhere, at any time. You can have some hours to work this

1:47:42 > 1:47:47way, maybe next week is not. These things make me a little tense, when

1:47:47 > 1:47:52you have family, when you have a life to carry on.So it is good

1:47:52 > 1:47:58news?It is good news, yes. That we have holiday and this kind of

1:47:58 > 1:48:04security, that's good news.Matthew Taylor, you must be very pleased?

1:48:04 > 1:48:07I'm pleased that I have bad news for Sergio, I don't think what the

1:48:07 > 1:48:10government has announced will give you a holiday and sick pay. The

1:48:10 > 1:48:15government is talking about enhancing and underlining holiday

1:48:15 > 1:48:22and sick pay for casual workers of a whole variety of kinds but there is

1:48:22 > 1:48:26the issue of people who are self-employed still. What the

1:48:26 > 1:48:30government is consulting on is the question of whether workers like

1:48:30 > 1:48:34yourself are classified as self-employed or workers. As long as

1:48:34 > 1:48:36you are classified self-employed, you won't have many employment

1:48:36 > 1:48:40rights. So there are two issues. One is the rights of casual workers on

1:48:40 > 1:48:43the other is whether or not people like Sergio are seen as casual

1:48:43 > 1:48:47workers, which I think they probably should be, or self-employed, which

1:48:47 > 1:48:52is what the company would rather refer to you as as they pay less

1:48:52 > 1:48:58tax.Exactly.That will come out of the consultation?The government is

1:48:58 > 1:49:03consulting today. It recognises the principle of the need to clarify

1:49:03 > 1:49:08employment status. At the moment companies like delivery and Uber

1:49:08 > 1:49:12keep going back to court and saying, can we make the law clearer? As I am

1:49:12 > 1:49:15sure Hannah will recognise, this is a complex issue and we need to get

1:49:15 > 1:49:19it right. Whilst it is important that people like Sergio have more

1:49:19 > 1:49:23rights, there are dangers when you reclassify employment rights that

1:49:23 > 1:49:30you encourage some employers to lower thresholds.Hannah?The TUC

1:49:30 > 1:49:33recognises this as a baby step forward. There is welcomed