20/02/2018

0:00:07 > 0:00:08Hello, it's Tuesday, it's nine o'clock.

0:00:08 > 0:00:10I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.

0:00:10 > 0:00:15Our top story today...

0:00:15 > 0:00:18Britain won't be "plunged into a Mad Max-style world borrowed

0:00:18 > 0:00:18from dystopian fiction"

0:00:18 > 0:00:21after it leaves the EU - that's what the Brexit Secretary

0:00:21 > 0:00:31David Davis will say in a speech in around 45 minutes.

0:00:31 > 0:00:37A clear message to EU leaders, you can trust us, we will be on our best

0:00:37 > 0:00:40behaviour after Brexit and we will not try to undercut your businesses.

0:00:40 > 0:00:43We'll bring you that speech live as soon as it starts.

0:00:43 > 0:00:45Also on the programme, there are calls for the Government

0:00:45 > 0:00:47to criminalise upskirting as a sexual offence

0:00:47 > 0:00:50after police data showed one complainant was ten years old.

0:00:50 > 0:00:52We'll speak to three victims of upskirting -

0:00:52 > 0:00:55and are keen to hear from you if it's happened to you.

0:00:55 > 0:01:05Plus working in your 70s...

0:01:08 > 0:01:11We now have a better understanding of the natural world than ever.

0:01:11 > 0:01:17I've always played the bad girl, the juvenile delinquent, the girl gone

0:01:17 > 0:01:23wrong. I think we are doing a picture.

0:01:23 > 0:01:26But how many more of us will have to work well into our 70s?

0:01:26 > 0:01:29We'll find out as new research shows by 2036 nearly a quarter

0:01:29 > 0:01:31of the population will be over 65.

0:01:41 > 0:01:42Hello.

0:01:42 > 0:01:45Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11am.

0:01:45 > 0:01:47Throughout the programme we'll bring you the latest breaking news

0:01:48 > 0:01:49and developing stories.

0:01:49 > 0:01:52Oxfam bosses are appearing in front of MPs at around 10:30am after staff

0:01:52 > 0:01:59used prostitutes in Haiti - we'll bring you their evidence live.

0:01:59 > 0:02:02And a little later we'll hear claims that the problem of people

0:02:02 > 0:02:04with severe mental health issues being chased over debts

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0:02:16 > 0:02:17Our top story today...

0:02:17 > 0:02:20In the next hour the Brexit Secretary David Davis will say

0:02:20 > 0:02:22the UK will not be plunged into what he describes

0:02:22 > 0:02:28as a "Mad Max-style world", after it leaves the European Union.

0:02:28 > 0:02:31In a speech to business leaders in Vienna, Mr Davis will also reject

0:02:31 > 0:02:34the idea that Brexit will lead to a "race to the bottom"

0:02:34 > 0:02:38in workers' rights and environmental standards.

0:02:38 > 0:02:41It's the latest speech by senior government ministers on Brexit.

0:02:41 > 0:02:47Norman is at Westminster for us.

0:02:47 > 0:02:51What point is he trying to make when he talks about this Mad Max style

0:02:51 > 0:02:57world we will not be plunged into? The great fear of many EU leaders is

0:02:57 > 0:03:02that after Brexit we will become a Singapore of the channel, in other

0:03:02 > 0:03:07words we will get rid of those tiresome, tedious, burdensome EU

0:03:07 > 0:03:11rules and regulations and that will give British business a competitive

0:03:11 > 0:03:16advantage. That is what the Mad Max analogy is about. He is saying we

0:03:16 > 0:03:21will not become the land of Mel Gibson with burning cars and a

0:03:21 > 0:03:25deserted wasteland desert where we have made a bonfire of workers'

0:03:25 > 0:03:31rights, environmental protections, the 48-hour working week directive.

0:03:31 > 0:03:37We will not become like that, we will be just like you. But what is

0:03:37 > 0:03:42interesting as we are just a couple of days ahead of Mrs May getting her

0:03:42 > 0:03:47top bigwigs in the Cabinet together to finalise her approach to Brexit

0:03:47 > 0:03:52and we are getting a sense of the sort of deal they might be able to

0:03:52 > 0:03:57agree around. What Mr Davies is saying we do not appreciate your

0:03:57 > 0:04:02rules and regulations, we would like to stick to them tonne our own, but

0:04:02 > 0:04:06they will not be that different to yours. We will play by the same

0:04:06 > 0:04:11rules of the game. We will not start undercutting your businesses. In

0:04:11 > 0:04:15effect he is saying to the EU you can trust us, we will behave after

0:04:15 > 0:04:21Brexit. The hope is that that will allay the fears of EU leaders and so

0:04:21 > 0:04:27they will be prepared to cut as that crucial trade deal allowing a sac

0:04:27 > 0:04:32sets -- allowing us access to the single market.Damian Green was

0:04:32 > 0:04:36effectively Mrs May's deputy until he was sacked from the Cabinet after

0:04:36 > 0:04:39claims of inappropriate behaviour. He has spoken about that for the

0:04:39 > 0:04:45first time?It is his first live interview since his sacking, in

0:04:45 > 0:04:49effect, for lying over those allegations about inappropriate

0:04:49 > 0:04:52behaviour and whether the police were investigating pornography found

0:04:52 > 0:04:58on his computer. Well, he pretty much stuck to his line. He said he

0:04:58 > 0:05:04did not think he had done anything wrong, he did not think he was

0:05:04 > 0:05:08guilty of inappropriate behaviour. He put his dismissal down to a

0:05:08 > 0:05:12mistake that he had issued a press release in which he rightly said he

0:05:12 > 0:05:16had not been informed that the police were investigating. He was

0:05:16 > 0:05:21asked, do you see yourself as a victim? You said I will not whinge,

0:05:21 > 0:05:26things happen, time to move on. But you got a sense he was pretty

0:05:26 > 0:05:32bruised by the whole experience.I have had political discussions over

0:05:32 > 0:05:37a number of years which continued afterwards. At no stage was there

0:05:37 > 0:05:45any inappropriate behaviour. If I on any occasion made her feel

0:05:45 > 0:05:48uncomfortable, I am sorry.Do you think you are a victim in this, do

0:05:48 > 0:05:52you think you have been treated wrongly, that you should never have

0:05:52 > 0:05:57been asked by the Prime Minister to resign?I am not going to whinge. I

0:05:57 > 0:06:02think stuff happens, moves on.But if you maintain you did nothing

0:06:02 > 0:06:06wrong, why are you not still in the Government?All ministers hold their

0:06:06 > 0:06:11positions at the pleasure of the Prime Minister and I broke the

0:06:11 > 0:06:15ministerial code. As I say, I will not whinge.

0:06:15 > 0:06:25We have had some reaction from Keita Mogby, who said she could tell

0:06:25 > 0:06:29Damian Green did not regard his behaviour as inappropriate and he

0:06:29 > 0:06:34did not recognise that what he had done was inappropriate. She is

0:06:34 > 0:06:42clearly not that impressed with his response this morning.We will bring

0:06:42 > 0:06:44David Davis' speech live at around 10am.

0:06:44 > 0:06:46Julian is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

0:06:46 > 0:06:49of the rest of the day's news.

0:06:49 > 0:06:50Thank you and good morning, Victoria.

0:06:50 > 0:06:53Senior Oxfam executives will be questioned by MPs later this

0:06:53 > 0:06:55morning, following criticism over the way it handled claims of sexual

0:06:56 > 0:06:57misconduct by its staff in Haiti.

0:06:57 > 0:06:59The International Development Committee has convened an urgent

0:06:59 > 0:07:01session to ask Oxfam about what happened in 2011,

0:07:01 > 0:07:04and the policies it now has in place to prevent exploitation.

0:07:04 > 0:07:06And we'll bring you coverage of that committee hearing

0:07:06 > 0:07:10on the programme, after 10:30am.

0:07:10 > 0:07:12The bookmaker William Hill has been fined £6.2 million

0:07:12 > 0:07:15by the Gambling Commission.

0:07:15 > 0:07:17The fine is for failing to prevent money laundering.

0:07:17 > 0:07:20The Commission said that "systemic" failures by senior management

0:07:20 > 0:07:22and ineffective social responsibility processes meant that

0:07:22 > 0:07:24ten customers were allowed to deposit large sums of money

0:07:24 > 0:07:32linked to criminal offences.

0:07:32 > 0:07:35The commission warned William Hill may have to pay more if more money

0:07:35 > 0:07:38laundering comes to light.

0:07:38 > 0:07:41Tim Miller, from the Gambling Commission, says today's fine sends

0:07:41 > 0:07:46a message to the whole gambling industry.

0:07:46 > 0:07:51We know that in Britain that are around about two and a half million

0:07:51 > 0:07:55people either problem gamblers or at risk from developing a problem.

0:07:55 > 0:07:57These are responsibilities that gambling company should take

0:07:57 > 0:08:02seriously. The decision today shows that where they do not take those

0:08:02 > 0:08:05responsibilities seriously they can face swift and robust regulation.

0:08:05 > 0:08:10Gambling is a fast changing area, with technology making changes

0:08:10 > 0:08:15happen all the time. Our decision shows today that the rules work, it

0:08:15 > 0:08:19simply does not comply they will face stiff regulatory action from

0:08:19 > 0:08:30us. Importantly the decision today does not just send a clear message

0:08:30 > 0:08:32to William Hill about what they need to do, it sends a message to the

0:08:32 > 0:08:33entire gambling industry.

0:08:33 > 0:08:35The Home Secretary, Amber Rudd, has confirmed that the government

0:08:35 > 0:08:39is in talks with the US about what to do with two men

0:08:39 > 0:08:41from London suspected of being members of the so-called

0:08:41 > 0:08:42Islamic State.

0:08:42 > 0:08:44Alexanda Kotey and El Shafee Elsheikh are suspected

0:08:44 > 0:08:46of being members of a gang of British men who

0:08:46 > 0:08:47murdered hostages.

0:08:47 > 0:08:50They were detained in Syria last month but there's no agreement yet

0:08:50 > 0:08:51on where they will stand trial.

0:08:51 > 0:08:54We're absolutely committed to making sure that they are tried,

0:08:54 > 0:08:56that the security of the country always comes first.

0:08:56 > 0:08:59These people should face the full force of the law in terms

0:08:59 > 0:09:01of the terrible things that they have done.

0:09:01 > 0:09:04I can't be drawn on the individual circumstances of these two but we're

0:09:04 > 0:09:12watching it carefully to make sure they do face justice.

0:09:12 > 0:09:15Campaigners say the government should criminalise upskirting as a

0:09:15 > 0:09:19sexual offence after police data showed one complainant was ten years

0:09:19 > 0:09:23old. The practice of covertly photographing under the skirts of

0:09:23 > 0:09:27women is currently not recognised as a specific offence. Figures released

0:09:27 > 0:09:31following a Freedom of information request have found there have been

0:09:31 > 0:09:36just 11 charges related to upskirting since 2015. We will hear

0:09:36 > 0:09:40from victims and campaigners on the programme in the next ten minutes.

0:09:40 > 0:09:42Women could be putting themselves at risk by changing their diet

0:09:42 > 0:09:45instead of seeking medical help for a key symptom of ovarian cancer.

0:09:45 > 0:09:49Persistent bloating is one of the main warning signs.

0:09:49 > 0:09:51But a new report by the Target Ovarian Cancer charity

0:09:51 > 0:09:54found that half of British women would be more likely

0:09:54 > 0:10:01to buy pro-biotic yoghurt than seek their GP's advice.

0:10:01 > 0:10:03Jeremy Corbyn is vowing to take on the City of London

0:10:03 > 0:10:05if he becomes Prime Minister, saying finance should be

0:10:05 > 0:10:10"the servant of industry, not the masters of us all".

0:10:10 > 0:10:12In a speech this afternoon the Labour leader will call

0:10:12 > 0:10:15for a "fundamental rethink" of the finance sector

0:10:15 > 0:10:16and how it is regulated.

0:10:16 > 0:10:19He will also promise to give the government new powers

0:10:19 > 0:10:23to intervene to prevent "hostile takeovers".

0:10:23 > 0:10:25It's expected that many of KFC's 900 UK outlets

0:10:25 > 0:10:27will remain closed today - because of a continuing

0:10:27 > 0:10:31lack of chicken.

0:10:31 > 0:10:33The fast food chain has blamed teething problems after switching

0:10:33 > 0:10:39to a new logistics deal with DHL and Quick Service Logistics.

0:10:39 > 0:10:43KFC is encouraging staff to take holiday while outlets are closed.

0:10:43 > 0:10:46They say salaried staff will be paid as normal.

0:10:46 > 0:10:47But the majority of outlets are franchises -

0:10:47 > 0:10:53which means many workers could be hit hard.

0:10:53 > 0:10:55A legal battle that could have far reaching consequences

0:10:55 > 0:10:57for the so-called "gig economy" reaches the Supreme

0:10:57 > 0:11:00Court this morning.

0:11:00 > 0:11:02Pimlico Plumbers is appealing a ruling that one of its employee's

0:11:02 > 0:11:05is entitled to basic workers' rights - even though he was

0:11:05 > 0:11:07hired as a freelancer.

0:11:07 > 0:11:09Lower courts previously ruled the employee was entitled

0:11:09 > 0:11:12the national minimum wage and paid holiday, although he is

0:11:12 > 0:11:19technically self-employed.

0:11:19 > 0:11:22The singer and X Factor judge Cheryl Cole is opening

0:11:22 > 0:11:24a new centre in her name later today, aimed at helping

0:11:24 > 0:11:27disadvantaged young people in her hometown of Newcastle.

0:11:27 > 0:11:30The singer launched a fundraising campaign in 2015 to get

0:11:30 > 0:11:37the centre established.

0:11:37 > 0:11:40It's hoped the £2 million facility will help 5,000 North East

0:11:40 > 0:11:41youngsters in the next three years.

0:11:41 > 0:11:44It aims to build on The Prince's Trust's work in the region,

0:11:44 > 0:11:46with young people who have struggled with drugs, mental health

0:11:46 > 0:11:48issues, and unemployment.

0:11:48 > 0:11:56That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9:30am.

0:11:56 > 0:12:01Thank you very much. We will talk about upskirting in the next few

0:12:01 > 0:12:05minutes. Upskirting is when someone takes a photo of you up your skirt

0:12:05 > 0:12:10without your permission. John on Facebook says upskirted as can be

0:12:10 > 0:12:14charged under the law of outraging public decency, and indictable

0:12:14 > 0:12:21common-law offence punishable by a limited prison and/ or an unlimited

0:12:21 > 0:12:24fine. Cheryl on Facebook said that considering I have read one of the

0:12:24 > 0:12:28victims was ten years old, this story needs covering. We will speak

0:12:28 > 0:12:32to these women in the next few minutes, it happened to them. We

0:12:32 > 0:12:38will also speak to a lawyer who has acted on behalf of of a man who took

0:12:38 > 0:12:44photos up women's skirts. He was a City worker. Mark on Facebook says

0:12:44 > 0:12:48of course upskirting should be a criminal offence, it is an invasion

0:12:48 > 0:12:51of your dignity to sexual gratification. Campaigners want

0:12:51 > 0:12:57there to be a fresh new law specifically targeting upskirters,

0:12:57 > 0:13:01others say we have legislation to cover this. If it has happened to

0:13:01 > 0:13:04you, we will feed it into our conversation in the next few

0:13:04 > 0:13:17minutes. Send me a message on Twitter, use the

0:13:17 > 0:13:22hashtag. Olly Foster is here with the sport, the FA Cup is alive and

0:13:22 > 0:13:27well, what about Wigan?I was there yesterday, wondering whether league

0:13:27 > 0:13:32won the Wigan could upset Manchester city. It is a very famous scoreline.

0:13:32 > 0:13:35When Wigan were in the Premier League, they beat City in the 2013

0:13:35 > 0:13:43cup final, that was 1-0, so was the score last night. It really hinged

0:13:43 > 0:13:48on this at the end of the first half, a horrible tackle from Fabian

0:13:48 > 0:13:52Delph. Anthony Taylor seemed to get out is yellow, Paul Cook was

0:13:52 > 0:13:56brandishing an imaginary card, which always winds of the opposition.

0:13:56 > 0:14:00Delph was sent off, Pep Guardiola furious. He went after Cook at

0:14:00 > 0:14:06half-time. He also confronted the referee. Ten men City held on until

0:14:06 > 0:14:11the last ten minutes. That is Will Grigg. He has a very famous chant

0:14:11 > 0:14:17after him, Will Grigg's on fire. He was last night. Seven FA Cup goals

0:14:17 > 0:14:21for him. At the full-time whistle it got pretty ugly, there was a pitch

0:14:21 > 0:14:25invasion. Sergio Aguero almost came to blows with a Wigan fan. A couple

0:14:25 > 0:14:31of thousand on the pitch. I was on the pitch trying to do my job. The

0:14:31 > 0:14:39City fans and there was a lot of police as well. Around 5000 City

0:14:39 > 0:14:43fans travelled to Wigan. They threw advertising hoardings at the police.

0:14:43 > 0:14:47There will be a lot of fallout but the quadruple quest is over for

0:14:47 > 0:14:53Manchester City. Here is their manager.

0:14:53 > 0:14:58We played the performance with our hearts, it is the same intention. I

0:14:58 > 0:15:03judge my players for the intention, not the result. The intention was

0:15:03 > 0:15:07always good during the season, today as well. But the fact is we are out

0:15:07 > 0:15:12of the FA Cup.City will have to regroup. They have five days. The

0:15:12 > 0:15:16League Cup final is coming up next for them to see if they can keep the

0:15:16 > 0:15:22trouble alive. They have Arsenal on Sunday at Wembley. The red Winter

0:15:22 > 0:15:24Olympics day 11, everybody is keeping everything crossed for Elise

0:15:24 > 0:15:33Christie?day 11, Elise Christie

0:15:33 > 0:15:34fell in the 500 metre short

0:15:34 > 0:15:38track final last week, and the 1500 metres semifinal, disqualified

0:15:38 > 0:15:43anyway.She has had x-rays after that heavy crash last time, here she

0:15:43 > 0:15:51is, back on the ice. 1000 metre heat in the next hour she has soft tissue

0:15:51 > 0:15:55damage after that heavy fall, in the 1500 metres. Decision will be made

0:15:55 > 0:16:02very soon whether or not she can compete or not. This is Elise

0:16:02 > 0:16:07Christie, disqualified three times four years ago at the Winter

0:16:07 > 0:16:13Olympics in Sochi so this is the last chance alone, getting

0:16:13 > 0:16:16redemption, to save her Olympic career, not just this games, so no

0:16:16 > 0:16:23pressure(!) really good day for Britain's curlers, where would we be

0:16:23 > 0:16:27without a curling update, 8-6 victory over Japan. Up to third in

0:16:27 > 0:16:37the standings, one match to play for them now, and the top four

0:16:37 > 0:16:45qualifier, Eve Muirhead and the gang have got everything done. England

0:16:45 > 0:16:50have thrashed Norway 10-3, they must win their final match against the

0:16:50 > 0:16:54USA, that will guarantee them a semifinal spot. BBC Sport website

0:16:54 > 0:16:57will keep you right up to date. I will be back with the headlines in

0:16:57 > 0:17:03the next 20 minutes.

0:17:03 > 0:17:05It's one of the ultimate invasions of privacy, upskirting,

0:17:05 > 0:17:08covertly taking photos under the skirts of women

0:17:08 > 0:17:10without their permission.

0:17:10 > 0:17:13But it isn't a specific crime in England and Wales.

0:17:13 > 0:17:15Instead police forces charge alleged upskirters with other

0:17:15 > 0:17:16offences like voyeurism.

0:17:16 > 0:17:18Now new figures released today under a Freedom of Information request

0:17:18 > 0:17:21show there have only been 11 charges relating to upskirting since 2015,

0:17:21 > 0:17:23with one victim being just 10 years old.

0:17:23 > 0:17:26So it is time to make it an offocial sexual offence

0:17:26 > 0:17:32with appropriate punishments?

0:17:36 > 0:17:39Let's talk now to three people who've experienced this and a lawyer

0:17:39 > 0:17:43who has acted on behalf of men accused of upskirting.

0:17:43 > 0:17:46Gina Martinwas at a music festival last year when someone took

0:17:46 > 0:17:51a photo up her skirt, police dropped her case.

0:17:51 > 0:17:58Liv Moorewas upskirted on the Tube last year.

0:17:58 > 0:18:01AndRhona Hallwas in a bar when the bar owner's

0:18:01 > 0:18:06son took a photograph of her under her clothing.

0:18:06 > 0:18:10Greg Stewartis a lawyer who's acted on behalf on perpetrators

0:18:14 > 0:18:18Thank you very much for coming on the programme, your reaction, first

0:18:18 > 0:18:26of all, that a girl as young as ten years old has experienced this.It

0:18:26 > 0:18:30is just disgusting, takes it to a completely different level, where

0:18:30 > 0:18:34children are being targeted, and it feels like maybe it has had to get

0:18:34 > 0:18:37to this level in order to get the attention it needs and for people to

0:18:37 > 0:18:45take it seriously.I completely agree, shocking that a child as

0:18:45 > 0:18:48young as ten can be a victim of someone like this but it happens to

0:18:48 > 0:18:53people of all ages and that is what is shocking.These figures which

0:18:53 > 0:18:58show there have been 78 cases in the last three years, do you think that

0:18:58 > 0:19:02reflects the accurate picture?Not at all, that is the tip of the

0:19:02 > 0:19:07iceberg, since I started this campaign, I have reams and reams of

0:19:07 > 0:19:10names of women, and children have come forward as young as 13, have

0:19:10 > 0:19:14come forward, told me about it, those figures are far lower than the

0:19:14 > 0:19:19real number.Your campaign began because it happened to you at a

0:19:19 > 0:19:23music festival, remind the audience what happened.I was at a festival,

0:19:23 > 0:19:28two men, whose advances I had pretty much rejected multiple times, they

0:19:28 > 0:19:35took pictures and send them round to the crowd around me. I handed them

0:19:35 > 0:19:38the picture, and over to police and my case was dropped almost

0:19:38 > 0:19:42immediately.How did you know they had done it?I saw it on their

0:19:42 > 0:19:46phone, I grabbed the phone and rang, and they followed me to the police.

0:19:46 > 0:19:50-- grabbed the phone and ran. I found it was a grey area in legal

0:19:50 > 0:19:56terms.How did the police handle it? Kind and lovely but said there was

0:19:56 > 0:19:59not much they could do, because I was wearing underwear, so it seemed

0:19:59 > 0:20:03there was confusion around legislation and what they could do

0:20:03 > 0:20:08effectively. Because you are wearing underwear? Yeah, I think basically,

0:20:08 > 0:20:11they were trying to work out what steps they could take but they were

0:20:11 > 0:20:15not quite sure, that is what happened.That is interesting, what

0:20:15 > 0:20:19about your own story?I was at university in Hull, night out with

0:20:19 > 0:20:24my friends in a bar.And the owner's son was responsible for taking

0:20:24 > 0:20:29photos graphs for the website, he had a camera on him. Always taking

0:20:29 > 0:20:33photos. I was talking to my friends, I felt like somebody had touched me

0:20:33 > 0:20:37under my skirt, I turned around quickly and saw him there with the

0:20:37 > 0:20:43camera, and a photograph of my rear end and he was laughing, and he

0:20:43 > 0:20:47showed all my friends.So he was blatant!He was completely like,

0:20:47 > 0:20:52this is normal, look what I have managed to do. And it was... I

0:20:52 > 0:20:56remember seeing the photograph and thinking, this is the most

0:20:56 > 0:21:00disgusting photo anyone could ever have taken of that part of me, it

0:21:00 > 0:21:04showed every imperfection and dimple that I hated about myself, and you

0:21:04 > 0:21:07are quite self-conscious at university anyway, about your

0:21:07 > 0:21:12appearance. And I screamed at him to delete it and he laughed and ran

0:21:12 > 0:21:18away and went behind the bar and carried on serving. I chased him

0:21:18 > 0:21:21behind the bar because I was so worried that other people would see

0:21:21 > 0:21:25the photograph, that was what was terrifyingly, I shouted across the

0:21:25 > 0:21:29bar at him and people were looking at me like, what is this crazy lady

0:21:29 > 0:21:36doing. His dad said something to him, said, what is going on? Sort

0:21:36 > 0:21:40this out. He sheepishly came over and said, OK, I will delete it, he

0:21:40 > 0:21:47claimed to have deleted it, I asked to check, to check that it had gone.

0:21:47 > 0:21:52He was like, it is gone. That was just the end of it. And then a

0:21:52 > 0:21:57friend said, he does that most nights, it is his thing, it takes

0:21:57 > 0:22:00photographs up girls skirts and you are not the first and this is what

0:22:00 > 0:22:07he does.I was at a family party, with my parents, and I was on the

0:22:07 > 0:22:14tube, I just sat down, and a man across from me started shouting at

0:22:14 > 0:22:19the man sitting next to him saying, I have seen what you have done, it

0:22:19 > 0:22:23is disgusting, you have been taking a picture up that girl's skirt. He

0:22:23 > 0:22:27turned to me and said, he has just been taking pictures up your skirt.

0:22:27 > 0:22:34It tends to my parents and said the same thing. -- turned to my parents.

0:22:34 > 0:22:39I was the million 80, I froze, and fortunately at that moment, we

0:22:39 > 0:22:45pulled up at the next stop and I got off the tube and burst into tears.

0:22:45 > 0:22:51It was made worse by the fact that I was with my parents, which kind of

0:22:51 > 0:22:59added to the human liaise and of it. Nobody likes to be sexually

0:22:59 > 0:23:05objectified by particularly not in front of your parents. --

0:23:05 > 0:23:13humiliation.Greg is a lawyer, he has acted on behalf of an upskirter.

0:23:13 > 0:23:17Some messages, it should be a criminal offence, it is disgusting,

0:23:17 > 0:23:20taking the version onto the street, somebody has developed a mindset

0:23:20 > 0:23:25where they are prepared to violate somebody in a public place. The next

0:23:25 > 0:23:29step might be a physical sexual assault or a rape, it needs to be

0:23:29 > 0:23:37dealt with ruthlessly, with entry on the sex offenders register. An

0:23:37 > 0:23:47boyfriend came up behind one viewer, she was mortified when he pulled her

0:23:47 > 0:23:53dress right over her head. Upskirting, all the most pressing

0:23:53 > 0:23:56stories covered by your programme, Victoria, clearly this is a

0:23:56 > 0:24:05sarcastic message. Is it a big deal? It is incredibly important to be

0:24:05 > 0:24:08protected just like the women in Scotland are, it is assault, these

0:24:08 > 0:24:12people who do this could go on to do worse things but this in itself is

0:24:12 > 0:24:18terrible.Greg, Jena mentioned what happens in Scotland, they have the

0:24:18 > 0:24:242009 sexual offences act. -- Gina. Under which this kind of offence is

0:24:24 > 0:24:30prosecuted. Could we do that in England and Wales?I have looked at

0:24:30 > 0:24:34Scottish law, I am not an expert, but it looks to me very similar to

0:24:34 > 0:24:39our own law on voyeurism, which we already have here. As a member of

0:24:39 > 0:24:45the committee, as a defence tactician with rational experience

0:24:45 > 0:24:48of dealing with a man accused of this, and hearing those accounts, it

0:24:48 > 0:24:54is quite clear why there is a need for a public debate, of

0:24:54 > 0:24:58criminalisation of this sort of behaviour.This behaviour is

0:24:58 > 0:25:01criminalised but comes under voyeurism, all, outraging public

0:25:01 > 0:25:05decency, the question is, do we need a fresh new law which specifically

0:25:05 > 0:25:11uses the term upskirting all words along the lines of, covert

0:25:11 > 0:25:15photographing under a woman's clothing.I don't like the word

0:25:15 > 0:25:19upskirting because it trivialises the behaviour which can take many

0:25:19 > 0:25:26forms and can be quite minor, if done once in isolation, but very

0:25:26 > 0:25:31serious if done repeatedly, clearly against someone's wishes. Often done

0:25:31 > 0:25:36over a long period of time, my experience is that it can become

0:25:36 > 0:25:42addictive.I agree that the law at the moment is very un-helpful to

0:25:42 > 0:25:48prosecuting authorities. You can prosecute under outraging public

0:25:48 > 0:25:51decency, common law offence going back hundreds of years, that means

0:25:51 > 0:26:02if you do something lewd, obscene or disgusting, which would outrage

0:26:02 > 0:26:08public decency.That felt that category. You can be prosecuted. One

0:26:08 > 0:26:11of the difficulties with that law is for historical reasons, because it

0:26:11 > 0:26:16is a public offence, it needs to be capable of is being seen by more

0:26:16 > 0:26:19than one person so you need evidence that at least two people sought the

0:26:19 > 0:26:27act.The photograph in itself is not enough evidence.You have two proved

0:26:27 > 0:26:32that the act was seen in public by more than one person. I know all

0:26:32 > 0:26:33about this now, yeah.

0:26:36 > 0:26:40The victim of this is unaware it is happening. The law recognises it

0:26:40 > 0:26:43that the public might be upset watching this happen but does not

0:26:43 > 0:26:52recognise it as a crime to the victim, that is the grey area.You

0:26:52 > 0:27:00acted on behalf of a man who did this.Describe the circumstances of

0:27:00 > 0:27:05what he was doing. He was accused of outraging public decency, for

0:27:05 > 0:27:11reasons just discussed, I advised... What had he been doing?He started

0:27:11 > 0:27:17off following women on escalators, usually in train stations, when he

0:27:17 > 0:27:25was commuting to and from his work. He was a professional guide, started

0:27:25 > 0:27:29taking photographs of women. Strangers, yes, without consent,

0:27:29 > 0:27:37standing behind them on escalators, and...Why was he doing it?He had

0:27:37 > 0:27:41personal relationship issues at the time, I had to mitigate for him,

0:27:41 > 0:27:50so... He pleaded guilty, and I was... My role was to defend him, he

0:27:50 > 0:27:55had issues, we had a psychiatric report explaining this person who

0:27:55 > 0:28:00otherwise had never troubled the police or other women with any

0:28:00 > 0:28:04inappropriate behaviour, suddenly started taking photographs of them.

0:28:04 > 0:28:08Clearly, your job was to mitigate. Of course, yeah, and everybody

0:28:08 > 0:28:14should have a fair trial but we need to get to a point now where we are

0:28:14 > 0:28:18prosecuting someone with an inappropriate offence. Right now,

0:28:18 > 0:28:22lawyers are doing what they should do, it has to rely on too many

0:28:22 > 0:28:25specifics, everybody needs to be captured, regardless of where you

0:28:25 > 0:28:32are.Matthew says, how on earth is upskirting not an offence in the

0:28:32 > 0:28:34modern-day, horrible experiences being relayed on your programme this

0:28:34 > 0:28:40morning, goes without saying, the law needs to change urgently.

0:28:40 > 0:28:46Michelle says, the pictures obtained from upskirting our not sexual, it

0:28:46 > 0:28:50is about the power for these nasty men, would you agree with that?No,

0:28:50 > 0:28:54I don't think so, I think they do get sexual gratification from taking

0:28:54 > 0:28:59those pictures, and I think that although the picture is the end

0:28:59 > 0:29:05result, the process is what these people enjoy. And that is wrong and

0:29:05 > 0:29:10it is you million waiting and quite disgusting.Is it a problem with

0:29:10 > 0:29:13celebrity culture, there are professional photographers who will

0:29:13 > 0:29:17take photographs of female celebrities getting in and out of

0:29:17 > 0:29:24cars, going up steps, etc, under their skirts.100%, the media

0:29:24 > 0:29:32normalises it, completely.There is even a scene in Grease, he is on the

0:29:32 > 0:29:35bleachers and looking underneath two girls skirts and they see him and

0:29:35 > 0:29:41walk away and say, you are a sick man.It is already... That is what

0:29:41 > 0:29:46we need to get away from. It is not OK. Even if it is not sexual

0:29:46 > 0:29:51ratification, it is harassment, humiliating, we need to stop

0:29:51 > 0:29:55normalising these things as lads being lads because it is not.The

0:29:55 > 0:30:04women ever do it?Yes, this sounds funny but upkilting is a problem in

0:30:04 > 0:30:10Scotland, truly is.It is not a gendered issue, it is women that are

0:30:10 > 0:30:16disproportionally the victim, but it is true that uptrousering happens

0:30:16 > 0:30:22and incidences of people taking photos up and down men's shirts and

0:30:22 > 0:30:22that is just as bad.

0:30:28 > 0:30:33Jimmy says I was upskirted when I wore a kilt. That was that a

0:30:33 > 0:30:37Scotland versus England rugby game. He does not say whether a man or a

0:30:37 > 0:30:46woman took the photo. Thank you all for joining us today.

0:30:46 > 0:30:53I am usually brilliant at remembering names, it was just your

0:30:53 > 0:30:59surname, Liv! If it has happened to you, get in touch with the details

0:30:59 > 0:31:01on screen.

0:31:01 > 0:31:02Still to come...

0:31:02 > 0:31:04David Davis will be telling European leaders Britain is not

0:31:04 > 0:31:06in a "race to the bottom."

0:31:06 > 0:31:11We'll have that speech live for you.

0:31:11 > 0:31:16It is due at around 10am, whenever it starts, you will hear at live.

0:31:16 > 0:31:20Plus how likely is it we will all be working well into our 70s? We will

0:31:20 > 0:31:25hear that new research shows that by 2026 a quarter of the population

0:31:25 > 0:31:28will be over 65.

0:31:28 > 0:31:35Time for the latest news - here's Julian.

0:31:35 > 0:31:41In a speech later this morning the Brexit Secretary David Davies said

0:31:41 > 0:31:46he will not be plunged into what he called a Mad Max style world when it

0:31:46 > 0:31:50leaves the European Union. Speaking to business leaders in Vienna Mr

0:31:50 > 0:31:53Davies will reject the idea that Brexit will lead to a race to the

0:31:53 > 0:31:57bottom and workers' rights and environmental standings. It is the

0:31:57 > 0:32:02latest speech by senior government ministers on Brexit.

0:32:02 > 0:32:06Former first Secretary of State Damian Green maintains he did not

0:32:06 > 0:32:09behave inappropriately when he reportedly texted a younger woman.

0:32:09 > 0:32:14Mr Green was sacked from the Cabinet after an inquiry looks into

0:32:14 > 0:32:18allegations made by Kate Maltby. Speaking to the BBC this morning,

0:32:18 > 0:32:22the BBC said he felt compelled to ask Miss Maltby for a drink after

0:32:22 > 0:32:27seeing her pictured in a corset in a newspaper. He has repeated his

0:32:27 > 0:32:30apology but claimed he did not do anything inappropriate. Kate Maltby

0:32:30 > 0:32:34says Mr Green's refusal to accept he had acted inappropriately was the

0:32:34 > 0:32:37problem.

0:32:37 > 0:32:39Senior Oxfam executives will be questioned by MPs later this

0:32:39 > 0:32:42morning, following criticism over the way it handled claims of sexual

0:32:42 > 0:32:43misconduct by its staff in Haiti.

0:32:43 > 0:32:45The International Development Committee has convened an urgent

0:32:45 > 0:32:51session to ask Oxfam about what happened in 2011,

0:32:51 > 0:32:55and the policies it now has in place to prevent exploitation.

0:32:55 > 0:32:57The bookmaker William Hill has been fined £6.2 million

0:32:57 > 0:33:00by the Gambling Commission.

0:33:00 > 0:33:03The fine is for failing to prevent money laundering.

0:33:03 > 0:33:05The Commission said that "systemic" failures by senior management

0:33:05 > 0:33:07and ineffective social responsibility processes meant that

0:33:07 > 0:33:10ten customers were allowed to deposit large sums of money

0:33:10 > 0:33:13linked to criminal offences.

0:33:13 > 0:33:17The commission warned William Hill may have to pay more if more money

0:33:17 > 0:33:25laundering comes to light.

0:33:25 > 0:33:27It's expected that many of KFC's 900 UK outlets

0:33:27 > 0:33:29will remain closed today - because of a continuing

0:33:29 > 0:33:30lack of chicken.

0:33:30 > 0:33:33The fast food chain has blamed teething problems after switching

0:33:33 > 0:33:35to a new logistics deal with DHL and Quick Service Logistics.

0:33:35 > 0:33:38KFC is encouraging staff to take holiday while outlets are closed.

0:33:38 > 0:33:41They say salaried staff will be paid as normal.

0:33:41 > 0:33:43But the majority of outlets are franchises -

0:33:43 > 0:33:53which means many workers could be hit hard.

0:33:55 > 0:33:59That is the summary of the latest news. I think we will have since

0:33:59 > 0:34:03bought, will we? No, we will go back to Victoria first.

0:34:03 > 0:34:09We can go to sport right now if you like! But let me read Bees, I have

0:34:09 > 0:34:12some really interesting messages about this issue of upskirting. Some

0:34:12 > 0:34:16of you are split on whether or not this is serious. Martin says this is

0:34:16 > 0:34:21a total invasion of privacy and should absolutely be criminalised,

0:34:21 > 0:34:29it is assault, effectively. It is criminalised, you can be prosecuted

0:34:29 > 0:34:31under voyeurism legislation in England and Wales or outraging

0:34:31 > 0:34:34public decency. The debate today is about whether there should be a

0:34:34 > 0:34:39specific offence. Reminds me a bit of a campaign to get specific

0:34:39 > 0:34:45legislation on stalking. Andy says I do not think upskirting is a serious

0:34:45 > 0:34:49issue. Another person says upskirting should only be a criminal

0:34:49 > 0:34:54offence if nudity is involved, like no knickers on. Another person said

0:34:54 > 0:34:59he was upskirted when he wore a kilt. If it has happened to you, let

0:34:59 > 0:35:02me know, we will talk to you programme. Contact details on

0:35:02 > 0:35:05screen.

0:35:06 > 0:35:10Here's some sport now with Olly.

0:35:10 > 0:35:15Hello again. The quadruple is over for Manchester City. They have been

0:35:15 > 0:35:19knocked out of the FA Cup by League 1 Wigan, the same team that beat

0:35:19 > 0:35:24them on the 2013 final. This season's top scorer in the cup, will

0:35:24 > 0:35:27Grigg, scored the only goal of the game in the 79th minute.

0:35:27 > 0:35:31They will play Southampton in the quarterfinals. Great Britain's

0:35:31 > 0:35:36curlers both won in their latest round-robin. The women are up to

0:35:36 > 0:35:39third in the standings, looking good for the semifinal. The men beat

0:35:39 > 0:35:50Norway to keep their hopes alive. We will know very shortly if...

0:35:50 > 0:35:58(INAUDIBLE) She fell in the 500 metre final and

0:35:58 > 0:36:00the 1500 semifinals. British half pipes key role in

0:36:00 > 0:36:04Cheshire finish seventh in her final, only posting one clear run.

0:36:04 > 0:36:09She fell on the second and third attempts. Canadian Cassie Sharp won

0:36:09 > 0:36:16gold. I will hopefully be back after 10am looking this... Ahead to see if

0:36:16 > 0:36:20Elise Christie can stay on her feet. Thank you very much.

0:36:20 > 0:36:23MPs are due to question senior Oxfam executives about the sexual

0:36:23 > 0:36:25misconduct of some of the charity's former staff in Haiti.

0:36:25 > 0:36:28At around 10:30 this morning they'll be asked what happened

0:36:28 > 0:36:30after the earthquake in 2010, about claims aid workers used

0:36:30 > 0:36:36prostitutes and the policies in place now to prevent exploitation.

0:36:36 > 0:36:38We'll bring it to you live when it happens.

0:36:38 > 0:36:39Prime Minister Theresa May yesterday described

0:36:39 > 0:36:41the behaviour as "horrific".

0:36:41 > 0:36:43Oxfam denied a cover-up.

0:36:43 > 0:36:44Its handling of the scandal

0:36:44 > 0:36:48is being investigated by the Charity Commission.

0:36:48 > 0:36:50Later on this morning senior execs from Save the Children will be

0:36:50 > 0:36:54questioned after the husband of murdered MP Jo Cox, Brendan Cox,

0:36:54 > 0:36:56admitted to inappropriate behaviour while working

0:36:56 > 0:37:01for the charity.

0:37:01 > 0:37:03Let's speak to Toby Porter, who has worked at both Oxfam

0:37:03 > 0:37:06and more recently Save the Children.

0:37:06 > 0:37:10Shaista Aziz is a journalist and former aid worker.

0:37:10 > 0:37:18And Peter Gallo used to be an internal investigator at the UN.

0:37:18 > 0:37:22A recent report claimed the United Nations has allowed sexual

0:37:22 > 0:37:26harassment and assault to flourish in its offices around the world.

0:37:26 > 0:37:30With accusers ignored and perpetrators free to act with

0:37:30 > 0:37:36impunity. Thank you all for talking to us. Toby, first, you worked at

0:37:36 > 0:37:39both Oxfam and more recently Save the Children. The Prime Minister

0:37:39 > 0:37:44described what happened at Oxfam as horrific, is that the right

0:37:44 > 0:37:49terminology?Yes, it is. I think it is the terminology Oxfam themselves

0:37:49 > 0:37:53are using. How do you think this happened?I

0:37:53 > 0:37:58think it was a system failure, that is why I think they are accountable

0:37:58 > 0:38:05as an organisation. There was more than enough is known about the

0:38:05 > 0:38:07individuals involved that they should not have been an Haiti in the

0:38:07 > 0:38:10first place. I think that is why their systems are under the

0:38:10 > 0:38:14spotlight.What part of the system failed if people knew what these...?

0:38:14 > 0:38:20They were being rehired. That they were being rehired when there had

0:38:20 > 0:38:26been reported problems from female colleagues about how they felt but

0:38:26 > 0:38:30also, indirectly, about their behaviour in previous missions. They

0:38:30 > 0:38:36simply should not have been hired. What do you think about the way

0:38:36 > 0:38:41Oxfam has handled this?I think it has been very difficult for them. I

0:38:41 > 0:38:46think they would be the first to say there were lessons about how they

0:38:46 > 0:38:51have communicated that needs to be added. I would certainly say that we

0:38:51 > 0:39:00need Oxfam, it is a wonderful charity, 99.9% of its staff are

0:39:00 > 0:39:06committed, ethical, very correct people and we need to be careful

0:39:06 > 0:39:10that we can help Oxfam learn lessons, but without being drawn

0:39:10 > 0:39:17into wider agendas that may want to see a greatly weakened Oxfam and

0:39:17 > 0:39:21other charities in the sector in the future.Specifically, what do you

0:39:21 > 0:39:26mean by that wider agenda?The anti-aid agenda. I do not think that

0:39:26 > 0:39:31is why these allegations came out, I do not think it should be a figleaf

0:39:31 > 0:39:35to hide behind, but when I see how some of the media moved on this time

0:39:35 > 0:39:41last week, I think you could see wider agendas that have drawn that

0:39:41 > 0:39:45debate.Do you accept they would not have been able to capitalise for

0:39:45 > 0:39:52their wider agenda if Oxfam aid workers had not been exploiting

0:39:52 > 0:39:58vulnerable people in an earthquake zone?Absolutely, the allegations

0:39:58 > 0:40:02are indefensible.Shaista, you spent more than 15 years as an aid worker

0:40:02 > 0:40:08for a number of organisations, including Oxfam. You went to Haiti,

0:40:08 > 0:40:13Syria, Lebanon, Bangladesh, etc etc. Give an example of the day-to-day

0:40:13 > 0:40:17culture?I agree with Toby about the systemic failures but we need to

0:40:17 > 0:40:21look at cultures inside humanitarian organisations, particularly in

0:40:21 > 0:40:25emergency settings. You get a situation where thousands of people

0:40:25 > 0:40:30are pouring into countries where there is an emergency, when there

0:40:30 > 0:40:35has been an earthquake, tsunami, Floyd etc. There is generally quite

0:40:35 > 0:40:39a lot of chaos and then all of these foreigners, for want of a better

0:40:39 > 0:40:43word, are pouring into the country and it disrupts the dynamics on the

0:40:43 > 0:40:47ground in terms of it is quite hard to keep track of who is there and

0:40:47 > 0:40:53why. There are charitable organisations, NGOs, renowned

0:40:53 > 0:40:57institutions like Oxfam on the ground, then there are others you

0:40:57 > 0:41:04cannot really verify. Within this culture, what you get is lots of

0:41:04 > 0:41:06men, predominantly white, western men, pouring into environments where

0:41:06 > 0:41:15there is chaos, and with that beckons heavy drinking -- that comes

0:41:15 > 0:41:20heavy drinking, issues of people wanting to buy six sometimes from

0:41:20 > 0:41:25underage women and girls. This is definitely mixed. -- people wanting

0:41:25 > 0:41:29to buy sex. It is difficult for anybody who has worked in the sector

0:41:29 > 0:41:35to deny this happens.The way you describe it, Shaista, you make it

0:41:35 > 0:41:40sound almost normal?It is not normal, absolutely not, but I

0:41:40 > 0:41:44believe that for a very long time it has been passed off as normal,

0:41:44 > 0:41:48passed off as something that happens in the context of emergencies. In

0:41:48 > 0:41:53the past week there has been a lot of commentary, there has been almost

0:41:53 > 0:41:56an attempt, a very defensive response from lots of aid workers in

0:41:56 > 0:42:00relation to the accusations coming out. Some commentators have said

0:42:00 > 0:42:05things like people need to let off steam. Letting off steam is one

0:42:05 > 0:42:10thing, these allegations of potentially... Rape and other

0:42:10 > 0:42:14serious sexual abuse taking place is absolutely not letting off steam.

0:42:14 > 0:42:19But as I said I think there is a normalisation around this, that is

0:42:19 > 0:42:22what is very, very problematic. The whole thing about some aid workers

0:42:22 > 0:42:27saying of people start speaking up openly about what they had seen and

0:42:27 > 0:42:31what has gone on that it will weaponised the agenda in terms of

0:42:31 > 0:42:36the potential of aid organisations getting less money etc, I think it

0:42:36 > 0:42:41is appalling, I think we can conflate these issues. There is an

0:42:41 > 0:42:44attempt by our current government to suggest that the eight sector needs

0:42:44 > 0:42:47reforming but I think the public is horrified by what they have heard

0:42:47 > 0:42:52and I think it is only right that people want full transparency. We

0:42:52 > 0:43:00need to make sure that...Sorry, I must apologise. I would like to

0:43:00 > 0:43:04bring in Peter, who used to be an internal investigator at the UN. The

0:43:04 > 0:43:08UN has had its own problems, as we know. In terms of your investigating

0:43:08 > 0:43:15big aid organisations for the UN, what did you learn about their

0:43:15 > 0:43:19procedures?The UN does not investigate big aid organisations,

0:43:19 > 0:43:25this is part of the problem. When there is an in... Allegation, as

0:43:25 > 0:43:29there was an Haiti, it is left to the organisation to investigate

0:43:29 > 0:43:33because the UN will say they have no jurisdiction. There was one

0:43:33 > 0:43:38particularly well-known lady who is now a very prominent campaigner in

0:43:38 > 0:43:46this field, she was raped ... She could identify the Raiders but

0:43:46 > 0:43:50because she was not a UN staff member the UN tried to have nothing

0:43:50 > 0:43:54to do with it initially, wash their hands and said it was not our

0:43:54 > 0:43:58problem. Any environments are Shaista is describing that means

0:43:58 > 0:44:04that the perpetrators have full impunity.Without going into

0:44:04 > 0:44:09specific details of any cases you may have come across, Shaista has

0:44:09 > 0:44:14described the culture from her point of view, why do you say sometimes a

0:44:14 > 0:44:16minority of aid workers get themselves involved in this

0:44:16 > 0:44:23behaviour?It is a psychological, I think a question that I am not

0:44:23 > 0:44:28qualified to answer. All I can tell you is it happens. It would be

0:44:28 > 0:44:32grossly irresponsible to suggest this was the majority, it is

0:44:32 > 0:44:38certainly not. We are talking about a tiny minority, or at least a

0:44:38 > 0:44:43minority, but bringing the rest of the industry into disrepute.

0:44:43 > 0:44:48Toby, you hired one of the people eventually moved on by Oxfam after

0:44:48 > 0:44:55the allegations in Haiti. How did that happen?I would Oxfam in 1995

0:44:55 > 0:44:59in Kenya, working zucchini into South Sudan. One of the people

0:44:59 > 0:45:04applied for a job. -- working through Kenya into South Sudan. We

0:45:04 > 0:45:08had no complaints over two years, my wife and I stayed with his wife. I

0:45:08 > 0:45:13worked with him for two years, I saw him six years later in India. I have

0:45:13 > 0:45:18not seen him since. He should not work again, I am absolutely

0:45:18 > 0:45:22disgusted and appalled.It happened because nobody flagged any

0:45:22 > 0:45:26complaints around him?I think one of the details that came out about

0:45:26 > 0:45:29Oxfam which was the most surprisingly is that there was a

0:45:29 > 0:45:34note on this gentleman's file that he should not be allowed to stay in

0:45:34 > 0:45:41mixed gender Stav houses. I read this in the Times report. -- mixed

0:45:41 > 0:45:44gender Stav houses. The bigger question was what was he doing being

0:45:44 > 0:45:47allowed on the plane at all, if you like.

0:45:48 > 0:45:52Thank you very much, all of you, very interesting, thank you for your

0:45:52 > 0:45:56time.

0:45:56 > 0:46:01Thank you for your comments on upskirting, a term that some of you

0:46:01 > 0:46:06do not like. Some of you think it represents what we are talking

0:46:06 > 0:46:10about, which is people taking photographs up women's clothing,

0:46:10 > 0:46:16occasionally men's clothing. Without their permission, and we have spoken

0:46:16 > 0:46:17with three women who

0:46:17 > 0:46:20it as with three women who

0:46:20 > 0:46:20it as horrible, with three women who

0:46:20 > 0:46:21it as horrible, humiliating with three women who

0:46:21 > 0:46:21it as horrible, humiliating and with three women who

0:46:21 > 0:46:21it as horrible, humiliating and an with three women who

0:46:21 > 0:46:23it as horrible, humiliating and an absolute invasion of privacy. And

0:46:23 > 0:46:27that is why they believe there should be a specific criminal

0:46:27 > 0:46:31offence against this behaviour any England and Wales, I was dancing on

0:46:31 > 0:46:34a table, says Becky, at a place that encourages such, when a man lifted

0:46:34 > 0:46:39my skirt and showed what was underneath to the entire bar, number

0:46:39 > 0:46:44of men who think it is OK is shocking, half of them think they

0:46:44 > 0:46:48can touch the dance as well. Richard says, I'm glad your programme is

0:46:48 > 0:46:53shining a light on these issues. There are men in clear daily denial

0:46:53 > 0:47:00that they or any other men are doing anything wrong. One tweet says, I'm

0:47:00 > 0:47:06not surprised that #upskirting is happening after the latest news on

0:47:06 > 0:47:10charities, MPs, football coaches, it is no wonder, the nation seems to be

0:47:10 > 0:47:14becoming a nation of the sexually depraved, a lot of this can be

0:47:14 > 0:47:19blamed on pornography and the effects of it.

0:47:19 > 0:47:19It

0:47:19 > 0:47:24is a degrading disgusting act, purely for the sexual gratification

0:47:24 > 0:47:30of men and it should be banned countrywide. Hopefully the upcoming

0:47:30 > 0:47:33pawn ban will include acts to ban it. This makes me feel threatened

0:47:33 > 0:47:37just thinking about it, it is clearly a sexual assault and should

0:47:37 > 0:47:41be treated as such. Thank you for those, tell a sure own experiences,

0:47:41 > 0:47:47we will talk with you more about it later. We would like to talk to you

0:47:47 > 0:47:52on air if it has happened to you.

0:47:56 > 0:47:58Campaigners calling for improved toilet facilities for disabled

0:47:58 > 0:48:00people are taking their fight to Downing Street today.

0:48:00 > 0:48:02They want to see more loos where disabled children

0:48:02 > 0:48:05and adults can be changed by their parents and carers.

0:48:05 > 0:48:07This requires an adult changing bed and a hoist,

0:48:07 > 0:48:08which aren't included in most disabled toilets.

0:48:08 > 0:48:10In fact some hospitals don't even have them.

0:48:10 > 0:48:13At the moment there are just over a thousand of these particular type

0:48:14 > 0:48:15of loos right across the UK.

0:48:15 > 0:48:18Compare this to the more than 2 and a half thousand toilets

0:48:18 > 0:48:19in Wembley Stadium alone.

0:48:19 > 0:48:21Last year the paralympian Anne-Wafula Strike made a special

0:48:21 > 0:48:31film for us looking at the lack of facilities:

0:48:36 > 0:48:42When I first went to university, I would avoid drinking as much as I

0:48:42 > 0:48:46could because if I needed the toilet, I would have to go home and

0:48:46 > 0:48:53leave the night out early, because I would need a hoist and a plinth to

0:48:53 > 0:48:57get changed on, and they were not there.How has that changed for you

0:48:57 > 0:49:03now?Two years next month, I had a catheter fitted, which means I don't

0:49:03 > 0:49:09have to get out of my chair to go to the toilet. So I can go to the

0:49:09 > 0:49:14toilet wherever I want, so it is incredible. I am so much healthier,

0:49:14 > 0:49:21because, not just day-to-day, but are used to, at University, I would

0:49:21 > 0:49:30do stuff like, I would rehydrate myself.You had an operation without

0:49:30 > 0:49:34any medical need.No medical need, I was not incontinent. It was more

0:49:34 > 0:49:40of... My urologist called it socially incontinent, basically it

0:49:40 > 0:49:45meant that I was incontinent when I was out because I could not go to

0:49:45 > 0:49:50the toilet because there was not the facility there. It is incredible and

0:49:50 > 0:49:53life changing and I would not change it for the world. But I kind of wish

0:49:53 > 0:50:02I had not had to in the first place. That was last year.

0:50:02 > 0:50:04Anne Wafula-Strikeis here along withLorna Fillingham

0:50:04 > 0:50:05who started this campaign.

0:50:05 > 0:50:07Lorna's seven-year-old daughter Emily May has learning disabilities

0:50:07 > 0:50:12and cannot go to the toilet herself.

0:50:12 > 0:50:16What was the moment with your daughter where you thought, we have

0:50:16 > 0:50:21had enough, things have got to change?It was three years ago, I

0:50:21 > 0:50:25was trying to change her on a baby change toilet facility and I

0:50:25 > 0:50:29realised, this is something I would not be able to do in the long-term,

0:50:29 > 0:50:32she is nearly eight years old, I am still struggling with baby change

0:50:32 > 0:50:38facilities. She is getting far too big.It is not practical for us in

0:50:38 > 0:50:42the long-term. What you think the fact that there are so few disabled

0:50:42 > 0:50:47toilets, where there is proper facility for changing someone if

0:50:47 > 0:50:53they have had an accident.Towns and cities that do not have a single

0:50:53 > 0:50:58one, it is disgraceful, it impacts us everywhere we go, like you

0:50:58 > 0:51:01mentioned previously, when my daughter goes to outpatient

0:51:01 > 0:51:08appointments, no changing facilities.In terms of the

0:51:08 > 0:51:13campaign, where are you up to?I think it is really interesting,

0:51:13 > 0:51:19because, we have reached a point where we think lawmakers should do

0:51:19 > 0:51:30something. Policy and law affects people's lives. It is about giving

0:51:30 > 0:51:34value and dignity to all human beings. It is really frustrating

0:51:34 > 0:51:42that up to this moment, people with disabilities are still having to

0:51:42 > 0:51:48struggle, it is like we are having to justify existence, and asking for

0:51:48 > 0:51:55such facilities. I think it is wrong that a society that we live in now,

0:51:55 > 0:52:02the 21st-century, we are seeing children changed on toilet floors,

0:52:02 > 0:52:07there is no dignity there. Lawmakers will now listen to the cries of

0:52:07 > 0:52:16people.You want them to compel chains and organisations, shopping

0:52:16 > 0:52:21centres, to have these kind of changing place toilets.It would be

0:52:21 > 0:52:29very good if they made it mandatory. Because it will actually empower

0:52:29 > 0:52:35families with disabled people and disabled peoples themselves to mix

0:52:35 > 0:52:41in the community. If it is not mandatory, many are giving excuses,

0:52:41 > 0:52:51saying it is expensive. My question is, if you are going to refurbish a

0:52:51 > 0:52:55shopping centre, spending many thousands, you can put aside £20,000

0:52:55 > 0:53:02and install this kind of toilet.Do you think people see a disabled

0:53:02 > 0:53:07toilet and think, that is a disabled toilet, that is it.I worked as a

0:53:07 > 0:53:11nurse for 20 years and did not realise there were facilities in

0:53:11 > 0:53:16there to enable every disabled person to access the toilet. So it

0:53:16 > 0:53:21is not in the public conscious at all at the moment that they are not

0:53:21 > 0:53:25fit for purpose for a large amount of the disabled population.Just

0:53:25 > 0:53:31explain why sometimes, as a carer of a child with learning and physical

0:53:31 > 0:53:33disabilities, you need to change them in the middle of a shopping

0:53:33 > 0:53:39trip or going to the theatre.You cannot plan... I can change my

0:53:39 > 0:53:43daughter before we go out, but if she has an accident, we have all

0:53:43 > 0:53:47been there with toddlers and babies, you have had a nappy that has not

0:53:47 > 0:53:51been contained, you cannot leave them in a soiled nappy while you go

0:53:51 > 0:53:56to find somewhere else to go. People are having to make do, disabled

0:53:56 > 0:54:02people being changed in the back of cars and on floors, disabled adults

0:54:02 > 0:54:06having to sit in soiled pants for prolonged periods of time and that

0:54:06 > 0:54:12is causing people physical harm as well as emotional harm, not just the

0:54:12 > 0:54:16disabled person, the carers as well. Back injuries for carers is through

0:54:16 > 0:54:20the roof. If you are physically lifting somebody, that can

0:54:20 > 0:54:24contribute to that. Sitting in your own faeces for a certain amount of

0:54:24 > 0:54:33time can contribute. It is really damaging to people.And people don't

0:54:33 > 0:54:36go out, because they cannot risk in case there is an accident, your

0:54:36 > 0:54:41world becomes smaller.Your world becomes smaller and what happens

0:54:41 > 0:54:44when your world becomes smaller, you are isolated, you suffer from

0:54:44 > 0:54:50depression, you are excluded from the outside world. I think that is

0:54:50 > 0:54:56what... That is why we are calling lawmakers to consider these people

0:54:56 > 0:55:02when it comes to... This is what I always say, when you have a

0:55:02 > 0:55:06disability, that does not warrant, it is not a qualification for you to

0:55:06 > 0:55:12be excluded from everyday life. To be able to have a place where you

0:55:12 > 0:55:19can enjoy with your family, I think that is part of being a human being.

0:55:19 > 0:55:24Thank you both, thank you very much, we will see what happens.

0:55:25 > 0:55:29Latest news and sport and weather in just a moment, before that, Jennifer

0:55:29 > 0:55:32Lawrence has announced that she is quitting acting for a year so that

0:55:32 > 0:55:35she can focus on campaigning for a US nonprofit organisation. Here's a

0:55:35 > 0:55:37reminder of times the Oscar-winning actor has spoken out about the

0:55:37 > 0:55:42causes she believes in.

0:55:58 > 0:56:02Regardless of where our politics fall, at the grassroots, the

0:56:02 > 0:56:04American people don't deserve to pay taxes to a system that is rigged

0:56:04 > 0:56:06against

0:57:43 > 0:57:46Jennifer Lawrence, who has announced that she is quitting acting for

0:57:46 > 0:57:49eight.

0:57:49 > 0:57:54News and sport in a second, before that, all of the weather, near is

0:57:54 > 0:57:57Matt -- here is

0:57:58 > 0:58:00Matt.

0:58:05 > 0:58:10Grey conditions towards the east of England, here in North Yorkshire,

0:58:10 > 0:58:13the cloud responsible shows up nicely on the satellite imagery,

0:58:13 > 0:58:17pushing out into the North Sea, allowing the clear sky to push in

0:58:17 > 0:58:19from the Atlantic. Plenty of sunshine to take you through the

0:58:19 > 0:58:27morning. Cloudy outbreaks of rain coming through the day in that

0:58:27 > 0:58:31northerly breeze, some cloud will drift inland, as we go into the

0:58:31 > 0:58:34afternoon. The vast majority stick with the sunshine, best in the north

0:58:34 > 0:58:40and the West, temperatures may not hit 14 degrees but ten to 12, 13

0:58:40 > 0:58:44Celsius, very good for this time of year. Coming from the North today,

0:58:44 > 0:58:49coming around an area of low pressure, not coming directly from

0:58:49 > 0:58:52anywhere particularly cold. -- high pressure. Something chilly over the

0:58:52 > 0:58:57coming days, tonight, driving the cloud from eastern areas, in across

0:58:57 > 0:58:59the Midlands, it is here when

0:58:59 > 0:59:02temperatures will stay above freezing overnight. Blue, sky most

0:59:02 > 0:59:07likely to stay clear is, frost into Wednesday morning. A lovely sunny

0:59:07 > 0:59:11day, early morning mist and fog will clear, parts of Wales, the Midlands,

0:59:11 > 0:59:16more cloud around compared with today, some sunny breaks possible,

0:59:16 > 0:59:20brightness in eastern coastal counties. Temperatures relative to

0:59:20 > 0:59:24today and indeed yesterday, down just a little bit, very few people

0:59:24 > 0:59:30getting above eight or 9 degrees. Into Thursday, frost around, dry

0:59:30 > 0:59:35day, breeze to the West, cloud thickening to produce the odd shower

0:59:35 > 0:59:40in parts of Northern Ireland, most will stay dry. By this stage, losing

0:59:40 > 0:59:45the temperature in Norwich, for degrees. Wind coming from an

0:59:45 > 0:59:47easterly direction, strengthening through Friday and Saturday, just

0:59:47 > 0:59:52notice, on the capital city forecast, the wind is picking up,

0:59:52 > 0:59:57most will be dry, because high-pressure is extending from

0:59:57 > 1:00:00Scandinavia, wind coming around clockwise, coming across cold air

1:00:00 > 1:00:03from Russia, northern parts of Europe, that will be dragged our

1:00:03 > 1:00:10way. Cold weekend, high-pressure, dry one, fairly sunny. With

1:00:10 > 1:00:14overnight frost. Just as spring is kicking into gear, winter bike 's

1:00:14 > 1:00:20back in a big way. Some will see snow, but also, noticing the chill,

1:00:20 > 1:00:24daytime temperatures, temperatures stay below freezing by day, some of

1:00:24 > 1:00:30that cold air will be pushing towards us as well, we will keep you

1:00:30 > 1:00:31updated.

1:00:34 > 1:00:39Hello, it's Tuesday, it's ten o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

1:00:39 > 1:00:45Our top story today... The Brexit Secretary David Davis is to reassure

1:00:45 > 1:00:51EU leaders that the UK won't seek a Mad Max style of deregulated economy

1:00:51 > 1:00:57after leaving the European Union. The clear message to the EU leaders,

1:00:57 > 1:01:03you can trust us, we will behave after Brexit and won't undercut your

1:01:03 > 1:01:07businesses.Mr Davies' speech is expected in the next hour, we will

1:01:07 > 1:01:09bring it to live.

1:01:09 > 1:01:14And - is working into your 70s becoming the new normal?

1:01:14 > 1:01:19We now have a better understanding of the natural world than ever.I've

1:01:19 > 1:01:24always played the bad girl, the juvenile delinquent, the girl gone

1:01:24 > 1:01:29wrong.I think we are giving a picture.

1:01:29 > 1:01:31New research shows that by 2036, a quarter of

1:01:31 > 1:01:33the population will be over 65.

1:01:33 > 1:01:36Does this mean we'll all be putting off retirement

1:01:36 > 1:01:40and working a little longer?

1:01:40 > 1:01:46And MPs are to question senior Oxfam executives this morning about

1:01:46 > 1:01:49accusations of sexual misconduct. We will bring you that live in around

1:01:49 > 1:01:50half an hour.

1:01:54 > 1:01:59Here's Julian in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

1:01:59 > 1:02:02In a speech this morning the Brexit Secretary David Davis

1:02:02 > 1:02:06will say the UK will not be plunged into what he describes

1:02:06 > 1:02:08as a "Mad Max-style world" after it leaves the European Union.

1:02:08 > 1:02:11In a speech to business leaders in Vienna, Mr Davis will also reject

1:02:11 > 1:02:14the idea that Brexit will lead to a "race to the bottom"

1:02:14 > 1:02:18in workers' rights and environmental standards.

1:02:18 > 1:02:24It's the latest speech by senior government ministers on Brexit.

1:02:24 > 1:02:26Former first Secretary of State Damian Green maintains

1:02:26 > 1:02:28he did not behave inappropriately when he reportedly

1:02:28 > 1:02:32texted a younger woman.

1:02:32 > 1:02:35Mr Green was sacked from the Cabinet after an inquiry looked

1:02:35 > 1:02:36into allegations made by Kate Maltby.

1:02:36 > 1:02:39Speaking to the BBC this morning, the BBC said he felt compelled

1:02:39 > 1:02:42to ask Miss Maltby for a drink after seeing her pictured

1:02:42 > 1:02:43in a corset in a newspaper.

1:02:43 > 1:02:48-- speaking to the BBC this morning, the MPs said.

1:02:48 > 1:02:51He has repeated his apology but claimed he did not do

1:02:51 > 1:02:52anything inappropriate.

1:02:52 > 1:02:54Kate Maltby says Mr Green's refusal to accept he had acted

1:02:54 > 1:03:02inappropriately was the problem.

1:03:02 > 1:03:07Mr Green has spoken to Radio 4.I have had political discussions over

1:03:07 > 1:03:16a number of years which continued afterwards, at no stage was there

1:03:16 > 1:03:20any inappropriate behaviour. If I on any occasion made her feel

1:03:20 > 1:03:22uncomfortable, I am sorry about that.

1:03:22 > 1:03:24Senior Oxfam executives will be questioned by MPs later this

1:03:24 > 1:03:27morning, following criticism over the way it handled claims of sexual

1:03:27 > 1:03:28misconduct by its staff in Haiti.

1:03:28 > 1:03:30The International Development Committee has convened an urgent

1:03:30 > 1:03:33session to ask Oxfam about what happened in 2011,

1:03:33 > 1:03:39and the policies it now has in place to prevent exploitation.

1:03:39 > 1:03:41And we'll bring you coverage of that committee hearing

1:03:41 > 1:03:45on the programme, after 10:30am.

1:03:45 > 1:03:47The bookmaker William Hill has been fined £6.2 million

1:03:47 > 1:03:50by the Gambling Commission.

1:03:50 > 1:03:52The fine is for failing to prevent money laundering.

1:03:52 > 1:03:55The Commission said that "systemic" failures by senior management

1:03:55 > 1:03:57and ineffective social responsibility processes meant that

1:03:57 > 1:04:00ten customers were allowed to deposit large sums of money

1:04:00 > 1:04:06linked to criminal offences.

1:04:06 > 1:04:09The commission warned William Hill may have to pay more if more money

1:04:09 > 1:04:12laundering comes to light.

1:04:12 > 1:04:14The Home Secretary, Amber Rudd, has confirmed that the government

1:04:14 > 1:04:17is in talks with the US about what to do with two men

1:04:17 > 1:04:20from London suspected of being members of the so-called

1:04:20 > 1:04:21Islamic State.

1:04:21 > 1:04:23Alexanda Kotey and El Shafee Elsheikh are suspected

1:04:23 > 1:04:25of being members of a gang of British men who

1:04:25 > 1:04:27murdered hostages.

1:04:27 > 1:04:30They were detained in Syria last month but there's no agreement yet

1:04:30 > 1:04:35on where they will stand trial.

1:04:35 > 1:04:37We're absolutely committed to making sure that they are tried,

1:04:37 > 1:04:40that the security of the country always comes first.

1:04:40 > 1:04:43These people should face the full force of the law in terms

1:04:43 > 1:04:46of the terrible things that they have done.

1:04:46 > 1:04:49I can't be drawn on the individual circumstances of these two but we're

1:04:49 > 1:04:59watching it carefully to make sure they do face justice.

1:04:59 > 1:05:02Campaigners say the Government should criminalise upskirting is a

1:05:02 > 1:05:06sexual offence after police data showed one complainant was ten years

1:05:06 > 1:05:10old. The practice of covertly photographing under the skirts of

1:05:10 > 1:05:16women is currently not recognised as a specific offence. Figures released

1:05:16 > 1:05:19following a Freedom of information request have found there have been

1:05:19 > 1:05:23just 11 charges related to upskirting since 2015. This woman

1:05:23 > 1:05:26was travelling on public transport with her parents when it happened to

1:05:26 > 1:05:29her.

1:05:29 > 1:05:33I was on the tube, I had just sat down and a man across from me

1:05:33 > 1:05:37started shouting at the man sitting next to him, saying I have seen what

1:05:37 > 1:05:41you have done, it is disgusting, you have just been taking a picture of

1:05:41 > 1:05:46that girl's skirt. He turns to me and said he has just been taking

1:05:46 > 1:05:50pictures up your skirt, look. Ten to my parents and said the exact same

1:05:50 > 1:05:57thing. -- turned to my parents said. I was so humiliated and I just

1:05:57 > 1:06:01froze. Fortunately at that moment we pulled up at the next stop and I

1:06:01 > 1:06:08just got off the tube and burst into tears.

1:06:08 > 1:06:09Many of KFC's 900 UK outlets

1:06:09 > 1:06:11will remain closed today - because of a continuing

1:06:11 > 1:06:12lack of chicken.

1:06:12 > 1:06:15The fast food chain has blamed teething problems after switching

1:06:15 > 1:06:17to a new logistics deal with DHL and Quick Service Logistics.

1:06:17 > 1:06:20KFC is encouraging staff to take holiday while outlets are closed.

1:06:20 > 1:06:23They say salaried staff will be paid as normal.

1:06:23 > 1:06:25But the majority of outlets are franchises -

1:06:25 > 1:06:31which means many workers could be hit hard.

1:06:31 > 1:06:38That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10:30am.

1:06:38 > 1:06:40Thank you very much.

1:06:40 > 1:06:44Here's some sport now with Olly.

1:06:44 > 1:06:48Manchester City's hopes of a quadruple this season are over. They

1:06:48 > 1:06:52are out of the FA Cup, beaten by League 1 Wigan athletic 1-0 last

1:06:52 > 1:06:57night, the same team that beat them on the 2013 cup final. The match

1:06:57 > 1:07:01turned on this really nasty challenge from Fabian Delph on max

1:07:01 > 1:07:06power. Paul Cook, the Wigan box, waved an imaginary card, which

1:07:06 > 1:07:09infuriated the opposition bench. Referee Anthony Taylor originally

1:07:09 > 1:07:13looked to be giving dealt yellow card, it was a red card. That

1:07:13 > 1:07:18sparked a heated exchange as the City boss Pep Guardiola confronted

1:07:18 > 1:07:24cook and directory. In the 79th minute, the FA Cup top scorer from

1:07:24 > 1:07:27the season, Will Grigg, scored his seventh. There will surely be

1:07:27 > 1:07:34repurposed portion -- be repercussions after what happened

1:07:34 > 1:07:38after full-time. There was a pitch invasion and City players were

1:07:38 > 1:07:42caught up in it, including Sergio Aguero who was involved in an

1:07:42 > 1:07:46altercation with a Wigan supporter. You can see him at the bottom of

1:07:46 > 1:07:51your screen. He seems to respond to provocation. Some of the visiting

1:07:51 > 1:07:555000 Man City fans through advertising hoardings up police.

1:07:55 > 1:08:00Wigan will play Southampton in the quarterfinals, City's hopes of a

1:08:00 > 1:08:02quadruple are over.

1:08:02 > 1:08:05I don't have regrets, the way we played, the performance.

1:08:05 > 1:08:07Our heart is the same, the intention.

1:08:07 > 1:08:09So I judge my players for the intentions, not the results.

1:08:09 > 1:08:12And the intentions always was good, during the season, today as well

1:08:12 > 1:08:17but the fact is we are out of the FA Cup.

1:08:17 > 1:08:21The next match for City is against Arsenal in the League Cup final on

1:08:21 > 1:08:22Sunday.

1:08:22 > 1:08:24There's one last chance for Elise Christie to

1:08:24 > 1:08:25save her Olympic career.

1:08:25 > 1:08:28Disqualified three times in Sochi four years ago, she has fallen

1:08:28 > 1:08:30in both her short-track skating events so far in South Korea.

1:08:30 > 1:08:32Let's cross live to our correspondent

1:08:32 > 1:08:39Andy Swiss in PyeongChang.

1:08:39 > 1:08:48She is due on track very, very shortly. How fit will she be?It

1:08:48 > 1:08:52will be fascinating to see, Ollie. Most of us thought to her Olympics

1:08:52 > 1:08:56are over after the terrible crush on Saturday. She will be back on the

1:08:56 > 1:09:00ice rink this morning, a full training session afterwards. She

1:09:00 > 1:09:03posted a video on social media where she said she thought it went quite

1:09:03 > 1:09:08well and she was hoping to compete, although her performance director

1:09:08 > 1:09:13says she is only around 80% or 90% fit. I suppose the good news for her

1:09:13 > 1:09:18is it is only the heats, the rest of the event does not take place until

1:09:18 > 1:09:21Thursday. If she can get through this heat she would have another

1:09:21 > 1:09:25couple of days to rest up that ankle. Her Olympic journey so far

1:09:25 > 1:09:30has been one of desperate disappointment. Free

1:09:30 > 1:09:38disqualifications in Saatchi four years ago and force here. -- free

1:09:38 > 1:09:44disqualifications in Sochi. She is the reigning world champion, and

1:09:44 > 1:09:48what a film script it would be if she could come out with a gold

1:09:48 > 1:09:51medal. The curling is nonstop, it has been

1:09:51 > 1:09:56up and down for the Brits but they have had a good day?They have. Just

1:09:56 > 1:09:59when they needed and they seem to find their form. They made a

1:09:59 > 1:10:03slightly shaky start in the competition, but good wins for both

1:10:03 > 1:10:10the men and women. The man thrashed Norway 10-3, a terrific performance,

1:10:10 > 1:10:15their best performance of the competition so far -- the men. The

1:10:15 > 1:10:20women beat Japan 8-6, giving both teams a really good chance of

1:10:20 > 1:10:24getting through to the semifinals. The final round-robin matches take

1:10:24 > 1:10:30place tomorrow.Andy Serkis, many thanks indeed for that update from

1:10:30 > 1:10:36PyeongChang. That is it for now, we will be keeping our eyes and Elise

1:10:36 > 1:10:41Christie. -- Andy Swiss, many thanks.

1:10:41 > 1:10:44Thomas has that I'm 17, I have cerebral palsy and my parents have

1:10:44 > 1:10:50been changing needs on toilet floors for years -- Thomas says. I

1:10:50 > 1:10:54regularly sit in soiled pads when out. This Saturday, how about

1:10:54 > 1:10:59shutting every toilet in the country for one day and see how the nation

1:10:59 > 1:11:04copes? Only then will some people understand this issue. Thank you,

1:11:04 > 1:11:08Thomas. You are very welcome to e-mail us.

1:11:08 > 1:11:12We will talk to some people who have been upskirted in the next hour of

1:11:12 > 1:11:16the programme. If you have an experience of that review of whether

1:11:16 > 1:11:25it should be a specific criminal offence and in Gwent and Wales, let

1:11:25 > 1:11:26me know. David Attenborough, John Collins,

1:11:26 > 1:11:29Lib Dem leader Vince Cable, Joanna Lumley. All working, all in their

1:11:29 > 1:11:3370s, 80s and 90s. -- David Attenborough, Joan Collins.

1:11:33 > 1:11:36We have a better understanding of the natural world than ever. We know

1:11:36 > 1:11:40how best to protected for future generations. I can only hope that we

1:11:40 > 1:11:47will. I have played, always from when I

1:11:47 > 1:11:54was very, very young, starting in movies at 17, I have always played

1:11:54 > 1:11:56the bad girl, the juvenile delinquents, the girl gone wrong. As

1:11:56 > 1:12:05I got older it was the pitch or the woman with a vendetta. Maybe it is

1:12:05 > 1:12:12something to do with the way I look. CHEERING

1:12:12 > 1:12:21I think we're doing a picture. OK.

1:12:21 > 1:12:26This is a bit like curling, isn't it?

1:12:26 > 1:12:29We are coming to you from the ravishing Royal Albert Hall,

1:12:29 > 1:12:34bursting with the seams with history and a place that exactly 100 years

1:12:34 > 1:12:38ago hosted an historic event celebrating the first group of

1:12:38 > 1:12:43British women being given the votes. A century ago, the suffragettes laid

1:12:43 > 1:12:48the groundwork for the kind of dog resistance and powerful protest that

1:12:48 > 1:12:55is carried forward today with the Times Of movement, and with that the

1:12:55 > 1:12:58determination to eradicate the inequality and abuse of women the

1:12:58 > 1:13:02world over. APPLAUSE

1:13:02 > 1:13:07They make it look quite easy, but how many of you will still be

1:13:07 > 1:13:12working when you are in your 70s? How many of us. Maybe some of you

1:13:12 > 1:13:17are already. By 2036 nearly quarter of the population will be over 65,

1:13:17 > 1:13:22and the number of people over the age of 85 will double. What are the

1:13:22 > 1:13:25implications of an ageing population for working habits and the society

1:13:25 > 1:13:31in which we live? A report out this morning from the Centre For Ageing

1:13:31 > 1:13:36Better says keeping older people in work could add £18 billion to the

1:13:36 > 1:13:39economy each year. What should we be doing now to adjust to an age in

1:13:39 > 1:13:44which the number of people of 85 will double, as I said? Let's talk

1:13:44 > 1:13:47about this with two people who can tell us what it is like to work in

1:13:47 > 1:13:56your later years. Professor Sir Colin Blakemore is 73, works

1:13:56 > 1:13:59full-time and is a member of the longevity science panel. Pedro is a

1:13:59 > 1:14:02former journalist, he is 63 and recently started his own business.

1:14:02 > 1:14:06Patrick Thompson is from the Centre For Ageing Better and the Althorp

1:14:06 > 1:14:12today's report. Colin, you believe retirement is bad for your health?I

1:14:12 > 1:14:17think the evidence is clear on that. To be working five days a week,

1:14:17 > 1:14:20suddenly stop and fall over the cliff of activity into a different

1:14:20 > 1:14:25world with lack of social stimulation, an opportunity to

1:14:25 > 1:14:28travel, move around, a feeling of responsibility for what you are

1:14:28 > 1:14:32doing, there is clear evidence it can have a negative effect.In terms

1:14:32 > 1:14:38of you working full-time at 73, almost 74, how is it?Exactly what I

1:14:38 > 1:14:46want, and that is important. Not everybody wants to. For some people

1:14:46 > 1:14:48work is a Dredge or extremely difficult. As we think about this

1:14:48 > 1:14:52problem you have to take account of individual opportunities and

1:14:52 > 1:14:56people's potentials, their abilities.Pedro, you were a former

1:14:56 > 1:15:00journalist, you have started your own business is doing what? About

1:15:00 > 1:15:06making furniture out of pallets, the traits you use to transport material

1:15:06 > 1:15:12products.I am a journalist from Brazil, I came here in the mid-80s

1:15:12 > 1:15:18and work for Brazilian TV and then as a freelancer for the BBC, Sky,

1:15:18 > 1:15:23Reuters.And the business you have started now?Was in June last year,

1:15:23 > 1:15:32in the summer. I have a line of ten projects, I took it to a fair near

1:15:32 > 1:15:39my house, the name of my project are called Planus Pallets and I said at

1:15:39 > 1:15:46the social media necessary to create information and I'm showing my

1:15:46 > 1:15:51project in Archway market in North London. Like any business it is slow

1:15:51 > 1:15:55but it has been very satisfying to see the things I do with my own

1:15:55 > 1:16:00hands. It is similar to journalism in terms of the creativity.How long

1:16:00 > 1:16:06can you see yourself working for?As long as I can, as long as I can use

1:16:06 > 1:16:11my hammer, use the store, do my stuff, I will work for as long as I

1:16:11 > 1:16:17can. -- use

1:16:17 > 1:16:21the saw.We are going to pause for a moment, "Brexit" secretary David

1:16:21 > 1:16:28Davis has just begun his speech in Vienna.Like Paris, Berlin and

1:16:28 > 1:16:33Amsterdam and London, Vienna has earned its status as one of Europe's

1:16:33 > 1:16:39truly global cities. These are places that shape the nations in

1:16:39 > 1:16:46which they are situated, and the ideas and values of those practical

1:16:46 > 1:16:49themselves Europeans as well as Australian, French, German or indeed

1:16:49 > 1:16:56British. I suspect that nowhere is that more true than Vienna. It has a

1:16:56 > 1:17:01long history of a capital of ideas. I suspect that when the Vienna

1:17:01 > 1:17:07Circle gathered in a cafe in this city, they produced more challenging

1:17:07 > 1:17:10ideas in one day then many universities do in a decade. -- the

1:17:10 > 1:17:16Cafe Centrale. And these have formed the intellectual basis of modern

1:17:16 > 1:17:22politics, these global cities bring us together, this week alone, in

1:17:22 > 1:17:25London's great universities, students across Europe will be

1:17:25 > 1:17:29taught the ideas of the Austrian School of economics, while your

1:17:29 > 1:17:32incredible Viljanen State Opera was leading English Sopranos star in a

1:17:32 > 1:17:40work by Handel, a Londoner born in Germany. -- Vienna. Tens of

1:17:40 > 1:17:47thousands of Austrians will go to work to earn a livingliving in

1:17:47 > 1:17:53companies owned and headquartered in the United Kingdom. These are the

1:17:53 > 1:17:55currently shared experiences, and they point the way to a shared

1:17:55 > 1:17:59future which will continue after Brexit. I know that since our

1:17:59 > 1:18:05referendum, much thought throughout Europe has gone to what the

1:18:05 > 1:18:09relationship with the European Union really means. Whether a close

1:18:09 > 1:18:15partnership is really possible, with a nation that by the decision of its

1:18:15 > 1:18:18people is leaving structures designed to produce such a

1:18:18 > 1:18:22relationship. And whether Britain is going to be the same country it has

1:18:22 > 1:18:30been in the past. Dependable, open, fair, a Bastian parliamentary

1:18:30 > 1:18:34democracy, and a defender of liberty and the rule of law. Well, to cut to

1:18:34 > 1:18:40the chase, we are. We were before we joined the European Union, we are

1:18:40 > 1:18:46while we are members, and we will be after we have left.I am here to

1:18:46 > 1:18:50explain not just why we must continue to work together as the

1:18:50 > 1:18:54closest of partners and friends but also how we should go about doing

1:18:54 > 1:18:59it. Currently we are negotiating in the meditation period, a crucial

1:18:59 > 1:19:05bridge to the new partnership. And next month, we will start detailed

1:19:05 > 1:19:09discussions on exactly how the new relationship should look, which is

1:19:09 > 1:19:15why this tour of Europe is happening today. But before we begin that

1:19:15 > 1:19:19process, I believe there is two important principles that can help

1:19:19 > 1:19:23us point in the right direction. The first is Britain's determination to

1:19:23 > 1:19:29lead a race to the top in global standards. The second, the principle

1:19:29 > 1:19:35of fair competition, which underpins the best elements of the European

1:19:35 > 1:19:40economy, and which we must work hard to spread. Throughout all of this,

1:19:40 > 1:19:44it is essential to keep in mind the reasons Britain voted to leave the

1:19:44 > 1:19:49European Union. It was not and never will be a rejection of European

1:19:49 > 1:19:56ideals, shared values and civilisation. When we joined the

1:19:56 > 1:19:59European Community it was to participate in an economic

1:19:59 > 1:20:03organisation which has since adapted in ways that might work for many

1:20:03 > 1:20:07European nations but does not work for the United Kingdom. Our

1:20:07 > 1:20:12referendum was a straightforward choice, a decision to move away from

1:20:12 > 1:20:18pulled sovereignty in favour of more control of our own destiny. When my

1:20:18 > 1:20:22colleagues and I take decisions around the table about "Brexit", it

1:20:22 > 1:20:27is with the intention of ensuring choices about Britain's future are

1:20:27 > 1:20:30taken by the British Parliament is directly accountable to the British

1:20:30 > 1:20:34people. -- pooled sovereignty. It is not in order to undermine Europe, or

1:20:34 > 1:20:40to act against the interests of our nearest neighbours. Having the

1:20:40 > 1:20:46European Union and this member state's succeed as our closest

1:20:46 > 1:20:50friends and allies is absolutely in our national interest. And if that

1:20:50 > 1:20:55does not seem obvious, then look at the ways we have used sovereignty

1:20:55 > 1:21:02since the referendum vote itself. On Saturday, our Prime Minister,

1:21:02 > 1:21:05Theresa May, explained the United Kingdom's steadfast commitment to

1:21:05 > 1:21:11European security. At home, we are delivering an ambitious

1:21:11 > 1:21:14environmental plan, that aims to leave the environment in a better

1:21:14 > 1:21:19state than that we found it in. We have a modern industrial strategy

1:21:19 > 1:21:23that makes targeted investments to address long-term needs. And

1:21:23 > 1:21:28responding to the revolution in modern working practices through the

1:21:28 > 1:21:33Taylor review which aims to ensure workers get the best possible

1:21:33 > 1:21:35combination of protection and opportunities from the modern

1:21:35 > 1:21:42economy. The is our signposts to what the United Kingdom will look

1:21:42 > 1:21:47like after we have left the structures of the European Union.

1:21:47 > 1:21:50Because when it comes to economic and regulatory systems, and how

1:21:50 > 1:21:55Britain will use additional sovereignty, we face a new global

1:21:55 > 1:22:00context. The world stands on the brink of the next phase of

1:22:00 > 1:22:07globalisation. With competition from across the world, advances in new

1:22:07 > 1:22:11technology like autonomous vehicles, artificial intelligence and smart

1:22:11 > 1:22:15technologies that will transform lives once again, as the tectonic

1:22:15 > 1:22:18plates of the global economy shift ever more regularly, we must be

1:22:18 > 1:22:24ready. So it is the choice of our country and the government to which

1:22:24 > 1:22:31I am a part not as some in continental Europe seem to fear, to

1:22:31 > 1:22:34lead a competitive race to the bottom, but to lead a global race to

1:22:34 > 1:22:39the top. Because the future of standards and regulations, the

1:22:39 > 1:22:44building blocks of free trade, is increasingly global. And the world

1:22:44 > 1:22:51is waking up to it. I was struck by what the manual Micron said earlier

1:22:51 > 1:22:55this month, and I quote him: if we do not define a standard for

1:22:55 > 1:22:59international cooperation, we will never managed to convince the middle

1:22:59 > 1:23:03and working classes that globalisation is good for them. --

1:23:03 > 1:23:12Emmanuel Macron. I could not agree more, but we must act on that

1:23:12 > 1:23:17insight and for the UK that means building on the reputation that we

1:23:17 > 1:23:25already have, as new technologies evolve and the develop. This will

1:23:25 > 1:23:34require effective and supportive regulation, to consumers considering

1:23:34 > 1:23:38how they may use them. Take the automotive industry, game changing

1:23:38 > 1:23:44development of driverless cars properly managed will make travel

1:23:44 > 1:23:50faster, cheaper, more reliable and safe. This is a brand-new technology

1:23:50 > 1:23:53which requires a brand-new legal framework, governing insurance,

1:23:53 > 1:24:01testing regulations, data, privacy, ownership, and liability. While the

1:24:01 > 1:24:06UK has some of the most creative and exciting opportunity for automotive

1:24:06 > 1:24:12investment in the world, sustainable growth as to be supported by

1:24:12 > 1:24:15regulatory environments that deliver for consumers, passengers and wider

1:24:15 > 1:24:23society without creating a crushing administrative burden for business.

1:24:23 > 1:24:27We are striving to set the global agenda for affective frameworks that

1:24:27 > 1:24:32keep consumers and passages safe. Which is why we are developing a

1:24:32 > 1:24:37long-term regulatory framework for self driving vehicles, while

1:24:37 > 1:24:40mandating a code of practice for testing them. We are also

1:24:40 > 1:24:45introducing new legislation so the use of self driving vehicles can be

1:24:45 > 1:24:51covered by compulsory insurance. The same is true for drones. I should

1:24:51 > 1:24:57expect to receive my delivery from Amazon by drone, in fact, at this

1:24:57 > 1:25:01moment, weather permitting, in my home in Yorkshire, a robot lawn

1:25:01 > 1:25:05mower designed in Sweden and built in the north-east of England will be

1:25:05 > 1:25:09mowing the grass. But if we had to realise, if we have to realise the

1:25:09 > 1:25:17full potential of the new aerial drone technology we must also

1:25:17 > 1:25:20maintain our world-class aviation safety record and address secrecy

1:25:20 > 1:25:24rape Pelissie and security concerns and to that end, new measures and

1:25:24 > 1:25:27fresh legislation to build a regulatory framework to ensure that

1:25:27 > 1:25:36drones are used safely, making out as one of the. -- world-class

1:25:36 > 1:25:47aviation safety record and security concerns. By making it global, as

1:25:47 > 1:25:52president Emmanuel Macron proposes, we can give confidence to consumers

1:25:52 > 1:26:00without handicapping industry. This race to the top is essential to

1:26:00 > 1:26:09tackle shared challenges. Work to combat climate change must be done,

1:26:09 > 1:26:15greenhouse gases do not respect continental or national boundaries,

1:26:15 > 1:26:26international collaboration, like the parish -- Paris climate

1:26:26 > 1:26:26agreement.

1:26:31 > 1:26:35We will build on the leading reputation we have and take other

1:26:35 > 1:26:40countries with us as new challenges emerge. And yes, that will mean

1:26:40 > 1:26:44continuing to work with other European countries to drive new

1:26:44 > 1:26:49standards. This is an area where we should be respectful partners, not

1:26:49 > 1:26:55suspicious competitors. The United Kingdom is incredibly well placed to

1:26:55 > 1:27:01make this work. We have an unrivalled track record in promoting

1:27:01 > 1:27:03high standards both at home and abroad, standards of products and

1:27:03 > 1:27:10services that originated from our own national bodies are adopted the

1:27:10 > 1:27:13world over, in a wide range of settlements, eight out of ten of the

1:27:13 > 1:27:21most used and in demented standards worldwide range from -- from the UK.

1:27:32 > 1:27:35We have been a member of the European Union and during that time,

1:27:35 > 1:27:39the UK has been instrumental in the design of its rules, because we are

1:27:39 > 1:27:44a leading proponent of a rules -based international system. Be that

1:27:44 > 1:27:50in defence, or trade, from Linz, to London, Salzburg to Stirling, we

1:27:50 > 1:27:58have led the way from protecting staff from shady employment

1:27:58 > 1:28:05practices. And we have held businesses to high standards. While

1:28:05 > 1:28:10in the European Union, the United Kingdom led the charge for business

1:28:10 > 1:28:14practices to be more accountable for the benefit of all involved. Just

1:28:14 > 1:28:19look at our record. On safety at work, our industrial workers are the

1:28:19 > 1:28:25safest in Europe. The fertility incidence rate as it is delicately

1:28:25 > 1:28:33known is the lowest in Europe. -- fatality. That's thanks to British

1:28:33 > 1:28:37laws passed in the early and mid-70s. Britain was one of the

1:28:37 > 1:28:41first member states to introduce the right to flexible working hours for

1:28:41 > 1:28:45parents and carers in 2003, in financial services we go well beyond

1:28:45 > 1:28:49minimum European standards by ring fencing retail banking from more

1:28:49 > 1:29:00risky retail activity, -- from more risky activity. We have new regimes

1:29:00 > 1:29:04to address mismanagement. There is nothing in European legislation

1:29:04 > 1:29:09which goes this far. We have led the way in implementing measures to

1:29:09 > 1:29:13reduce multinational tax avoidance and are one of only three European

1:29:13 > 1:29:19Union countries to operate a tax disclosure regime. We push for and

1:29:19 > 1:29:25have always defended a vigorous state aid system with robust

1:29:25 > 1:29:32enforcement enforcement. The first country in the world to set legally

1:29:32 > 1:29:38binding targets to reduce greenhouse gas, reducing emissions by 40% since

1:29:38 > 1:29:461990, faster than any G-7 country or European country. And after Brexit,

1:29:46 > 1:29:50plans in the pipeline for a new independent body which will continue

1:29:50 > 1:29:57to uphold European standards. We will continue our track record of

1:29:57 > 1:30:03meeting high standards after we leave the European Union. I know

1:30:03 > 1:30:07that for one reason or another, there are some people who thought to

1:30:07 > 1:30:10question whether these are really our intentions.

1:30:15 > 1:30:20They fear Brexit could lead to an Anglo-Saxon race to the bottom with

1:30:20 > 1:30:26Britain plunged into a Mad Max style world borrowed from dystopian

1:30:26 > 1:30:31fiction. These fears are based on nothing. Not our history, not our

1:30:31 > 1:30:35intention is, not our national interest. Frankly the competitive

1:30:35 > 1:30:39challenge we in the UK and the European Union will face with the

1:30:39 > 1:30:43rest of the world, where 90% of growth markets will come from, will

1:30:43 > 1:30:47not be met by a reduction in standards. We will never be cheaper

1:30:47 > 1:30:52than China or have more resources than Brazil. This challenge can only

1:30:52 > 1:30:57met by an increase in quality, an increase in service levels, an

1:30:57 > 1:31:01increase in intellectual content. While I profoundly disagree with

1:31:01 > 1:31:04those who spread these fears, it reminds us all that we should

1:31:04 > 1:31:10provide reassurance. That is why it is a message delivered by every

1:31:10 > 1:31:15member of Britain's Government to meet other European counterparts,

1:31:15 > 1:31:19whether Theresa May plasma commitment to maintaining and

1:31:19 > 1:31:23enhancing workers' rights, the Chancellor's powerful advocacy for

1:31:23 > 1:31:27the stability of the European banking system, Michael Gove's

1:31:27 > 1:31:31crusading zeal to improve animal welfare and environmental outcomes

1:31:31 > 1:31:35or my friend the Foreign Secretary, who explained in an important speech

1:31:35 > 1:31:39last week how ending membership of European Union institutions would

1:31:39 > 1:31:46not stop our shared European culture, values, civilisation. This

1:31:46 > 1:31:50race to the top has a clear read across to our expert negotiations.

1:31:50 > 1:31:56The future trade talks will be a negotiation like no other. We start

1:31:56 > 1:31:59from a position of total alignment, with unprecedented experience in

1:31:59 > 1:32:04working with what another's regulators and institutions. The

1:32:04 > 1:32:09agreement we strike will not be about how to build convergence, but

1:32:09 > 1:32:14what we do when one of us chooses to make changes to our rules. Neither

1:32:14 > 1:32:22side should put unnecessary barriers during this process. Take a car

1:32:22 > 1:32:25produced in Austria to be exported to the United Kingdom. Currently

1:32:25 > 1:32:30that the globally has to undergo one series of approvals in one country

1:32:30 > 1:32:36to show with the required regulatory stance -- currently that vehicle

1:32:36 > 1:32:41only needs to. That is accepted across the EU. That is exactly the

1:32:41 > 1:32:43type of arrangement we want maintained even after we leave the

1:32:43 > 1:32:49European Union. While we will be seeking a Blitzboker agreement

1:32:49 > 1:32:53reflecting our shared history and existing trade, they're already

1:32:53 > 1:32:57precedents outside the EU we can look to. The European Union itself

1:32:57 > 1:33:02has a number of mutual recognition agreements with a variety of

1:33:02 > 1:33:05countries, from Switzerland to Canada to South Korea, covering a

1:33:05 > 1:33:10huge array of products, toys, automotive is, electronics, medical

1:33:10 > 1:33:15devices and many, many more. A crucial part of any such agreement

1:33:15 > 1:33:20is the ability for both sides to trust each other's regulations and

1:33:20 > 1:33:26the institutions and forcing them, with a robust and independent

1:33:26 > 1:33:30arbitration mechanism. -- and the institutions that enforce them. This

1:33:30 > 1:33:33will require close evenhanded cooperation between these

1:33:33 > 1:33:37authorities and a common set of principles to guide them. The

1:33:37 > 1:33:41certainty that Britain's plan, its blueprint for life outside the EU,

1:33:41 > 1:33:45is a brace to the top in global standards are not a regression from

1:33:45 > 1:33:50our current high standards. -- is a race to the top. It will provide the

1:33:50 > 1:33:57trust meaning British regulators and institutions can continue to be

1:33:57 > 1:33:59recognised. This will be a crucial part of ensuring our future economic

1:33:59 > 1:34:04partnership is an open one and trade remains as frictionless as possible,

1:34:04 > 1:34:09something particularly important in the context of Ireland. I am certain

1:34:09 > 1:34:13that is in the interests of both sides. And because of that I am

1:34:13 > 1:34:18certain we can get this right. But of course it will not be easy. We

1:34:18 > 1:34:23are seeking a new framework allowing for a close economic partnership,

1:34:23 > 1:34:28that recognises the fact we are leaving the European Union. But

1:34:28 > 1:34:30recognises our trusted historic relationship upon which many of our

1:34:30 > 1:34:35companies depend and the principle of fairness and fair competition

1:34:35 > 1:34:39which is essential to any trade agreement between any two states

1:34:39 > 1:34:44will be particularly important here. Turning this into a functioning

1:34:44 > 1:34:47economic partnership will be a mutual endeavour, as will the design

1:34:47 > 1:34:51of mechanisms to ensure both sides respect open trade and fair

1:34:51 > 1:34:57competition. I have three principles in mind to help illustrate what we

1:34:57 > 1:35:04mean by fairness. First, fair competition means it cannot be right

1:35:04 > 1:35:08that a company situated in the European Union will be able to be

1:35:08 > 1:35:12heavily subsidised by the state but still have unfettered access to the

1:35:12 > 1:35:18UK market, and vice versa. The UK has long been a vocal proponent of

1:35:18 > 1:35:22restricting unfair subsidies to ensure competitive markets. It is

1:35:22 > 1:35:26good that taxpayers, good for consumers and ensures an efficient

1:35:26 > 1:35:31allocation of resources. These principles are true across the globe

1:35:31 > 1:35:36and will continue to be true in the United Kingdom/ European Union

1:35:36 > 1:35:49relationship. Second, fairness means protecting

1:35:50 > 1:35:52consumers against anti-competitive behaviour. The UK will continue to

1:35:52 > 1:35:54be an advocate of open investment flows after leaving the European

1:35:54 > 1:35:56Union. They cannot mean a European Union company could merge with a

1:35:56 > 1:35:58United Kingdom one and significantly reduce consumer choice. In our

1:35:58 > 1:36:00interconnected globalised world where goods, services and

1:36:00 > 1:36:03investments flow across borders, there will be a mutual benefit to

1:36:03 > 1:36:08the UK and European Union cooperating to protect consumers,

1:36:08 > 1:36:12taxpayers and businesses by promoting fair competition.

1:36:12 > 1:36:17So we will look to develop ways to deliver our shared goal, ensuring

1:36:17 > 1:36:20fair competition across the United Kingdom and the countries of Europe.

1:36:20 > 1:36:25It is in all our interests to make sure people are properly protected

1:36:25 > 1:36:29and have a right to recourse when things go wrong.

1:36:29 > 1:36:33Third, fairness means operating with a degree of mutual respect.

1:36:33 > 1:36:39Respecting our desire to reach a deal which recognises the distinct

1:36:39 > 1:36:42legal order of each side and our ability to carry out the sovereign

1:36:42 > 1:36:47decision of the British people. If we follow these three critical

1:36:47 > 1:36:49principles we will reach an ambitious future partnership

1:36:49 > 1:36:56ensuring trade remains as open and frictionless as possible, Brexit

1:36:56 > 1:36:59will inevitably mean a way in which British, Austrian under the European

1:36:59 > 1:37:04Union companies do business. It has to if we are to make good on the

1:37:04 > 1:37:08referendum result and carve a powerful Britain to strike its own

1:37:08 > 1:37:12trade deals, have its own immigration policy and make our

1:37:12 > 1:37:15courts sovereign once more. My message to you in this room is that

1:37:15 > 1:37:23these goals will not change the kind of country Britain is. A dynamic and

1:37:23 > 1:37:27open country that supports businesses like yours to grow,

1:37:27 > 1:37:35invest and innovate in a competitive, open and fair markets.

1:37:35 > 1:37:40But leading a race to the top global standards, protecting the body 's

1:37:40 > 1:37:43competition and respecting the democratic decision of people across

1:37:43 > 1:37:47Europe in a way that benefits the whole of Europe and all its

1:37:47 > 1:37:51citizens. Thank you very much. APPLAUSE

1:37:51 > 1:37:55STUDIO: David Davis, the Brexit Secretary. Norman has been listing

1:37:55 > 1:38:04at Westminster, what would you draw from that?We saw the big R,

1:38:04 > 1:38:07reassuring is for EU leaders, saying even after Brexit we will be the

1:38:07 > 1:38:13same sort of country, not change that much. We will still have room

1:38:13 > 1:38:16floor, Parliament, high business standards, high rules surrounding

1:38:16 > 1:38:19workers' rights and environmental protection, it will all stay the

1:38:19 > 1:38:23same so do not panic. The reason he is delivering that message is

1:38:23 > 1:38:27because the great fear of EU countries is that once we leave the

1:38:27 > 1:38:31European Union will get rid of all these tiresome EU regulations and

1:38:31 > 1:38:36rules that impose costs on business. Some people have estimated the total

1:38:36 > 1:38:42cost over a year comes to £120 billion. The fear of the EU is we

1:38:42 > 1:38:46will become like a Singapore off the channel, seeking to undercut the UN

1:38:46 > 1:38:51trying to get their business. What David Davis said today it was stoned

1:38:51 > 1:38:55panic, we are still the same old Blighty and we will still have the

1:38:55 > 1:39:01same high standards when it comes to business practice. -- what David

1:39:01 > 1:39:05Davis said today was do not panic. Appointed today was to try to smooth

1:39:05 > 1:39:10the path to the crucial trade deal. It seems the hope of Mr Davies and

1:39:10 > 1:39:14Theresa May will be to say to the EU that we do not want to stick with

1:39:14 > 1:39:18your rules and regulations, but don't worry, ours are pretty much

1:39:18 > 1:39:22the same. We will be sticking to the same sort of high standards when it

1:39:22 > 1:39:27comes to workers' rights and business practices. In other words,

1:39:27 > 1:39:39you don't have to worry about is undercutting be quite safe on that.

1:39:39 > 1:39:42The hope is on that basis that the EU will say we know Britain, we

1:39:42 > 1:39:45trust Britain, we are happy to give you a trade deal.Thank you, Norman.

1:39:45 > 1:39:47Some news about Elise Christie at the Winter Olympics, she has had a

1:39:47 > 1:39:52nightmare at this Winter Olympics. Her Olympic stream is over, she was

1:39:52 > 1:39:57dramatically disqualified from the women's 1000 metre heat that she was

1:39:57 > 1:40:01taken parting into PyeongChang. -- her Olympic dream. She crashed to

1:40:01 > 1:40:06the ice within the opening seconds the start, and a short track rules a

1:40:06 > 1:40:14crush on the first lap means the races we -- under short track rules,

1:40:14 > 1:40:19a crush on the first lap means the race is restarted. She crossed the

1:40:19 > 1:40:22line second but was disqualified after bumping into one of her

1:40:22 > 1:40:28opponents. That is the most terrible look on every level. Disqualified

1:40:28 > 1:40:33twice ball years ago, this time she has crashed a couple of times and no

1:40:33 > 1:40:38disqualified in the event the best of her, the 1000 metres. Elise

1:40:38 > 1:40:49Christie's Olympic dream is over. We were talking a while ago about the

1:40:49 > 1:40:54ageing population in this country... I do apologise, I will just talk

1:40:54 > 1:40:57about what is going on at Westminster first, which is to do

1:40:57 > 1:41:02with Oxfam bosses being questioned by MPs. We missed the beginning of

1:41:02 > 1:41:10it because of David Davisspeech, and the Oxfam Chief Executive has

1:41:10 > 1:41:21issued an apology to MPs for the actions go five De Schepperof the

1:41:21 > 1:41:24charity in Haiti, and by comments which seem to have downplayed the

1:41:24 > 1:41:30allegations. Let's go back to the conversation

1:41:30 > 1:41:38about working in your Yate Dellacqua later years. Patrick Thompson was

1:41:38 > 1:41:43just about to speak and when David Davis stood up. You are from the

1:41:43 > 1:41:46Centre for Aging Better, you are author of today's report. Briefly,

1:41:46 > 1:41:50what have you found?As you said a new introduction, the UK population

1:41:50 > 1:41:54is ageing and that the Centre for Aging Better we overwhelmingly think

1:41:54 > 1:41:58that is good, as people enjoy their longer, later lives. It raises

1:41:58 > 1:42:02important fiscal questions as to how we pay for things like increases to

1:42:02 > 1:42:07state pension, increased cost to health and social care. Today's

1:42:07 > 1:42:13report says if we can better support older workers, looking at people

1:42:13 > 1:42:17over 50, so starting quite early, to remain in good quality, fulfilling

1:42:17 > 1:42:22work so people have opportunities to work for longer, we could boost the

1:42:22 > 1:42:27economy by around £80 billion in terms of GDP every year. As Colin

1:42:27 > 1:42:31and Pedro talked about, workers not just about the financial aspect.

1:42:31 > 1:42:34People really value the social aspect as well and their

1:42:34 > 1:42:40relationships between people who are healthier being able to work longer.

1:42:40 > 1:42:45It is good for the economy, employers and individuals.Do we had

1:42:45 > 1:42:50to think again about what older ages. Where does it start now?We

1:42:50 > 1:42:54ask that question a lot and look at social data and it is often linked

1:42:54 > 1:42:59to your own age. It is moving. It is not that useful to put brackets

1:42:59 > 1:43:04around it, I think. Things change in the workplace and often even

1:43:04 > 1:43:07starting from your late 40s into your 50s that your likelihood of

1:43:07 > 1:43:12developing a health condition increases, your likelihood of

1:43:12 > 1:43:17becoming a working caring creases. Those can lead to exit from the

1:43:17 > 1:43:20workplace. We would not want to say because your chronological age you

1:43:20 > 1:43:25should do this or that, but some things become more likely as you age

1:43:25 > 1:43:28in the workplace.Thank you very much for being so amazingly patient,

1:43:28 > 1:43:35we are grateful. Thank you.

1:43:35 > 1:43:37The problem of people with mental health issues being chased over

1:43:37 > 1:43:39debts is at crisis levels, a charity claims.

1:43:39 > 1:43:42The Money and Mental Health Policy Institute says that last year around

1:43:42 > 1:43:4523,000 people were being pursued for money while in hospital

1:43:45 > 1:43:46for mental health problems.

1:43:46 > 1:43:49And thousands more are being chased over debts whilst receiving mental

1:43:49 > 1:43:52health crisis support in the community.

1:43:52 > 1:43:55So do people need with mental health problems need to be given breathing

1:43:55 > 1:44:03space from such debts?

1:44:03 > 1:44:08It's something that the Government is currently considering.

1:44:08 > 1:44:10We can speak now to Lee Brookes, who says debt issues

1:44:10 > 1:44:12forced him into a spiral of destructive thinking.

1:44:12 > 1:44:14Martin Lewis, who founded the charity The Money

1:44:14 > 1:44:19and Mental Health Policy Institute.

1:44:19 > 1:44:24Hello, both. Thank you for coming in and thank you for your patience, it

1:44:24 > 1:44:29is the theme of the morning. Lee, welcome. What was going on with you

1:44:29 > 1:44:34in terms of the mental health at what stage it got too?I have got a

1:44:34 > 1:44:41diagnosis of bipolar disorder and I have manic depressive episodes, and

1:44:41 > 1:44:46it just got to a stage where I had gone through a manic episode,

1:44:46 > 1:44:52spending many macro that sometimes I had, sometimes I hadn't, I got into

1:44:52 > 1:44:57serious levels of debt, had piles of unopened letters in bags in a back

1:44:57 > 1:44:59bedroom, bailiffs knocking on the door, debt collectors knocking on

1:44:59 > 1:45:08the door. I was in a place where I could not handle what was going on,

1:45:08 > 1:45:11I could not control it, it was getting darker and darker and

1:45:11 > 1:45:17darker. It was becoming uncontrollable.Were you conscious

1:45:17 > 1:45:25of what you were spending and why? At times. So during phases of the

1:45:25 > 1:45:28manic episodes I might know what I was doing and spending, but it is

1:45:28 > 1:45:36almost like... Now I am in a much better place I tend to emotionally

1:45:36 > 1:45:42eat, I think a lot of people probably do. When I am emotionally

1:45:42 > 1:45:45eating, I put away some chocolates I should really be thinking about. It

1:45:45 > 1:45:51is the same with money, I had money that was there and I might spend it,

1:45:51 > 1:45:54there might be some tech or I might have gone on holiday for the weekend

1:45:54 > 1:45:58and then thought I should not have done that, which would then bring on

1:45:58 > 1:46:03the spiral of depression because you have become down.How much debt in

1:46:03 > 1:46:09the end?About £32,000, which is very difficult deal with. I tried

1:46:09 > 1:46:12looking for the right level of support, either signposted by

1:46:12 > 1:46:16therapists at the time or mental health professionals, they

1:46:16 > 1:46:20signposted me to the likes of the sea a beacon which at the time did

1:46:20 > 1:46:24not work. It was the equivalent of looking on Google. Not getting the

1:46:24 > 1:46:31right support.Martin, when somebody has reached those depths, if you

1:46:31 > 1:46:36like, the idea of being chased to pay those debts, which you have to

1:46:36 > 1:46:40do, at that moment when you are... Your mental health is at such an

1:46:40 > 1:46:46acute stage, the money will never be paid back?Evans Lees is here to be

1:46:46 > 1:46:53a brilliant advocate, many of the people who could have advocated for

1:46:53 > 1:46:58this are not able to be here, because they have already taken

1:46:58 > 1:47:06their own life. -- thank heavens Lee. If you have debt crisis,

1:47:06 > 1:47:14whoever you are, and you go to a debt counselling agency, one of the

1:47:14 > 1:47:17nonprofits, they can put a six-week old on your charges and your

1:47:17 > 1:47:21interest being called, it allows people to get their financial house

1:47:21 > 1:47:24in order, not just beneficial for the individual but beneficial for

1:47:24 > 1:47:27creditors because if you haven't got the money to pay, you haven't got

1:47:27 > 1:47:32the money to pay, if you can sort it out, you are more likely to get the

1:47:32 > 1:47:35cash back, the problem with acute mental illness may be hospitalised,

1:47:35 > 1:47:43asking for help with debts is not practically possible. There are

1:47:43 > 1:47:4720,000 people out there who we need medical professionals to say, if

1:47:47 > 1:47:51breathing space is coming in for those who can ask for help, we have

1:47:51 > 1:47:53people temporarily incapable of asking for help, they need that help

1:47:53 > 1:48:04as well. We were talking about a man in her constituency who came out of

1:48:04 > 1:48:08hospital having been discharged that morning and got home to an empty

1:48:08 > 1:48:11house, the electricity cut off, bailiffs at the door, somebody

1:48:11 > 1:48:16suffering from acute anxiety has bailiffs at the door, that cannot be

1:48:16 > 1:48:20right in a civilised society. Nobody has done anything wrong but what we

1:48:20 > 1:48:23are trying to say is this is one of those policies that has never been

1:48:23 > 1:48:27looked at, how do we protect those people at their most vulnerable, who

1:48:27 > 1:48:32also have financial problems, you say, you get breathing space too and

1:48:32 > 1:48:35it can be triggered by a medical professional, retrospective if it

1:48:35 > 1:48:39has to be, if no one has spotted you have those financial problems when

1:48:39 > 1:48:44you have been taken into a ward for acute chronic mental illness, and it

1:48:44 > 1:48:49will put a pause on afterwards. Six weeks isn't long enough, but it will

1:48:49 > 1:48:54do as a start, that is the campaign. What do you say to those people who

1:48:54 > 1:48:58say, you know, mostly, you know what you are doing when you get into

1:48:58 > 1:49:02debt, you make the wrong choices and you have to take responsibility.I

1:49:02 > 1:49:07certainly know what I'm doing, if I get into debt; someone with a

1:49:07 > 1:49:11chronic mental condition, spending compulsion, bipolar, which can lead

1:49:11 > 1:49:16to that, depression spending, all of those issues, they may know what

1:49:16 > 1:49:20they are doing but knowing what you are doing and being able to control

1:49:20 > 1:49:24it is not the same thing, the reason for setting up the charity was to

1:49:24 > 1:49:30help people protect themselves when they are well, as Lee thankfully is

1:49:30 > 1:49:36now, and when they are not, we need structured put into place, I cannot

1:49:36 > 1:49:40see many people out there arguing that somebody whose mental health

1:49:40 > 1:49:45and is -- I cannot see many people out there arguing that somebody

1:49:45 > 1:49:50whose mental health is so chronic that they have been checked into

1:49:50 > 1:49:53hospital that they should have two fight these debts at that time. Of

1:49:53 > 1:49:56course people have to take responsibility, breathing space is

1:49:56 > 1:50:01about enabling people to pay back more debt once the pressure is off,

1:50:01 > 1:50:05not about getting people to run away, you can go bankrupt, there are

1:50:05 > 1:50:09things you can look at, but this today is that so many terrible

1:50:09 > 1:50:13stories, and it is worth remembering, statistics show, they

1:50:13 > 1:50:18are loose, research is difficult, someone who has a financial issue

1:50:18 > 1:50:22when they have a mental health issue, clinical depression, for

1:50:22 > 1:50:27instance, treatment time is extended by 18 months if you also have I a

1:50:27 > 1:50:30financial problem, these two are married, four times more likely to

1:50:30 > 1:50:33be in debt crisis if you have a mental health problem than everybody

1:50:33 > 1:50:39else and we are tried to divorce those issues. -- if you also have a

1:50:39 > 1:50:47financial problem.Thank you very much.

1:50:47 > 1:50:50Senior executives from Oxfam are giving evidence. Mark Goldring was

1:50:50 > 1:50:53asked by the committee chairman whether he would apologise for both

1:50:53 > 1:50:57the actions of the charity 's workers in Haiti, some of them

1:50:57 > 1:51:01admitted sleeping with prostitute, but also comments by him in the

1:51:01 > 1:51:04Guardian newspaper at the weekend which appeared to downplay the

1:51:04 > 1:51:13seriousness of what had happened.I do apologise, I was thinking under

1:51:13 > 1:51:18stress, I had given many interviews, I had made many decisions to lead

1:51:18 > 1:51:22the response to this, I was thinking about amazing work I had seen Oxfam

1:51:22 > 1:51:29do across the world most recently for refugees coming from Myanmar. I

1:51:29 > 1:51:33should not have said those things, it is not for Oxfam to judge issues

1:51:33 > 1:51:39of proportionality or motivation, I repeat the broader apology and the

1:51:39 > 1:51:45personal apology, we are sorry for the damage Oxfam has done, both to

1:51:45 > 1:51:45the

1:51:45 > 1:51:51people of Haiti but also the wider efforts for aid and development, but

1:51:51 > 1:51:56possibly undermining public support. I wholeheartedly apologise for those

1:51:56 > 1:52:02comments. And commits to work in the greater public interest so that

1:52:02 > 1:52:08Oxfam can make a powerful role in the work that we all believe in.

1:52:08 > 1:52:12Mark Goldring, boss of Oxfam.

1:52:12 > 1:52:15This morning we have been hearing called from the government to

1:52:15 > 1:52:21criminalise upskirting as a sexual offence after police data showed

1:52:21 > 1:52:24that one complainant was ten years old, so many of you have got in

1:52:24 > 1:52:37touch with the story today. Jan says, Some time ago, a tradesman in

1:52:37 > 1:52:40our home shone a torch up my (long) skirt when my back was turned. I was

1:52:40 > 1:52:42disgusted and upset. The police were not particularly interested and took

1:52:42 > 1:52:45no action. Email from Leslie - I am astonished that there is even a

1:52:45 > 1:52:47debate on this matter. To deliberately take pictures of

1:52:47 > 1:52:49anybodies private parts whether covered or not, without consent, is

1:52:49 > 1:52:52an abuse and any abuse is an assault on that persons freedom and privacy.

1:52:52 > 1:52:58-- anybody's. Craig says Let's not call it #upskirting. Let's call it

1:52:58 > 1:53:00gross sexual intrusion. Of course it should be an offence. If some

1:53:00 > 1:53:0218-year-old student thinks 'upskirting' is funny, where does

1:53:02 > 1:53:13that joke end? What man does that boy become?

1:53:14 > 1:53:19Anna says it is part of a world of male power but it is no use quoting

1:53:19 > 1:53:22the law, police do nothing unless there is multiple witnesses over a

1:53:22 > 1:53:27time frame, without witnesses, police will not do anything. Jack

1:53:27 > 1:53:31said, my grand daughter was walking a bit in front and I observed a

1:53:31 > 1:53:36pervert taking a photograph of her up her skirt, I grabbed the man and

1:53:36 > 1:53:39gave him a deserved kicking and smashed his phone to bits with the

1:53:39 > 1:53:47heel of my boot, and the pervert ran away, screaming. Rose has got in

1:53:47 > 1:53:55touch with us. What happened to you? It was many years ago, I belonged to

1:53:55 > 1:54:03an amateur dramatics group, a party was organised after a show, and

1:54:03 > 1:54:07basically, my skirt was lifted, and a photograph was taken, it was

1:54:07 > 1:54:22shared around the group. It was very embarrassing.How did you feel?

1:54:22 > 1:54:28Humiliated and angry and I actually challenged the person who took the

1:54:28 > 1:54:32photograph, I was more or less told not to be silly and it was just a

1:54:32 > 1:54:37bit of fun, and I was encouraged to let it go and brush it under the

1:54:37 > 1:54:44carpet. But I was very upset about it, and wondering, you know, you are

1:54:44 > 1:54:50always who has seen it, who is looking at me, and looking at the

1:54:50 > 1:54:55photograph. Yes, it was very degrading.Why did that person do

1:54:55 > 1:55:07it?Whether they were drunk, we had all had a bit to drink, I do not

1:55:07 > 1:55:09know, I don't know what possesses people to want to do that to

1:55:09 > 1:55:19somebody. This particular person could be unpleasant, I think, but I

1:55:19 > 1:55:23really don't know, I don't know what possesses people to take liberties

1:55:23 > 1:55:28like that, really.Do you think it should be a specific criminal

1:55:28 > 1:55:39offence?Yes, I do, yes, I do, it is assault, really. I think it should

1:55:39 > 1:55:45be criminalised, yes. Yes.Thank you very much. Appreciate you coming on

1:55:45 > 1:55:48the programme.

1:55:56 > 1:55:59Earlier on the programme I spoke to three people who have experienced

1:55:59 > 1:56:07this, one of them, Liv, was upskirted on the tube earlier this

1:56:07 > 1:56:09year.

1:56:22 > 1:56:3078 cases in the last year, do you think that reflects the problem?No,

1:56:30 > 1:56:35that is the tip of the iceberg, women have come forward, children as

1:56:35 > 1:56:39low as 13 have come forward.Your campaign began because it happen to

1:56:39 > 1:56:43you at a music festival, remind us what happened.I was at a festival

1:56:43 > 1:56:50and two men whose advances I had pretty much rejected multiple times,

1:56:50 > 1:57:02took pictures and send them round to the crowd around me. I added I

1:57:02 > 1:57:05showed the picture to police, but

1:57:06 > 1:57:08-- I showed the picture to police but the case was dropped

1:57:08 > 1:57:14immediately.I'm here campaigning now. How did the police handle it?

1:57:14 > 1:57:18They were kind, they were lovely, but they said there was not much

1:57:18 > 1:57:23they could do, because I was wearing underwear. There was confusion

1:57:23 > 1:57:27around legislation and what they could do, effectively.Because you

1:57:27 > 1:57:31were wearing underwear.Yes, I think that basically they were trying to

1:57:31 > 1:57:37work out what steps they could take but they were not sure.That is

1:57:37 > 1:57:42interesting, what about your own story?I was in university at Hull,

1:57:42 > 1:57:46on a night out with friends in a bar, the son of the owner used to be

1:57:46 > 1:57:51responsible for taking pictures for the website, always had a camera on

1:57:51 > 1:57:54him, always taking photographs. I was talking with my friends and I

1:57:54 > 1:57:57felt like somebody had touched me under my skirt, I turned around

1:57:57 > 1:58:04quickly and saw him there with a camera and a photograph of my bum

1:58:04 > 1:58:11and he was laughing, and he was showing all his friends.

1:58:11 > 1:58:16Thank you for your comments today on various issues in the news, we are

1:58:16 > 1:58:22back tomorrow at 9am, have a good day.