05/03/2018

0:00:09 > 0:00:12Hello, it's Monday, it's 9 o'clock,

0:00:12 > 0:00:18I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.

0:00:18 > 0:00:22Top story today, The Shape Of Water, about a woman who falls in love with

0:00:22 > 0:00:26a sea creature has taken Best picture at the Oscars. Gary Oldman

0:00:26 > 0:00:30picks up Best actor and Frances McDormand Best actress.If I may be

0:00:30 > 0:00:33so honoured to have all the female nominees in every category stand

0:00:33 > 0:00:38with me in this room tonight. The actors, Meryl

0:00:38 > 0:00:39with me in this room tonight. The actors, Meryl, if you do it,

0:00:39 > 0:00:47everyone else will. The film-makers, producers, directors, writers...

0:00:47 > 0:00:49Throughout the programme we'll hear from some of the winners

0:00:49 > 0:00:52and tell you everything you need to know about who won what.

0:00:52 > 0:00:58Should trans-women be able to use female changing rooms, women only

0:00:58 > 0:01:02swimming pools, domestic violence refuges? The issues causing rows for

0:01:02 > 0:01:03trans-women.

0:01:03 > 0:01:05I can see how passionate you are and it seems

0:01:05 > 0:01:07that you are afraid, almost, of trans people,

0:01:07 > 0:01:09or trans-women.

0:01:09 > 0:01:10No, I want to clarify that before we finish.

0:01:10 > 0:01:15Because I am not afraid of trans people.

0:01:15 > 0:01:22We'll explore the issues today.

0:01:22 > 0:01:24And - MPs have accused Sir Bradley Wiggins and Team Sky

0:01:24 > 0:01:27of crossing an ethical line by using drugs in a legal way

0:01:27 > 0:01:28to enhance their performance.

0:01:28 > 0:01:36We'll bring you the details.

0:01:38 > 0:01:45Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11.

0:01:45 > 0:01:50Throughout the programme, the latest breaking

0:01:50 > 0:01:52news and developing stories.

0:01:52 > 0:01:56Theresa May is due to give a speech annoucin a shake up

0:01:56 > 0:01:58of planning rules in England to tackle a housing shortage -

0:01:58 > 0:02:09She called it a broken markets not long ago. We will bring you her

0:02:09 > 0:02:14speech live from about 10:30am.

0:02:18 > 0:02:21Gary Oldman topped the British successes at the Oscars

0:02:21 > 0:02:24- by winning Best Actor for his transformation

0:02:24 > 0:02:25into Winston Churchill in Darkest Hour.

0:02:25 > 0:02:27And Frances McDormand picked up the best actress award,

0:02:27 > 0:02:30turning her acceptance speech into a rallying cry for more support

0:02:30 > 0:02:31for women in the industry.

0:02:31 > 0:02:33James Cook reports from Hollywood.

0:02:33 > 0:02:35After a year of darkness, a splash of colour

0:02:35 > 0:02:36returned to Hollywood.

0:02:36 > 0:02:39The black threads of protest were gone, although the determination

0:02:39 > 0:02:41to call "Time's Up" on abuse and to create a more

0:02:41 > 0:02:42inclusive industry remained.

0:02:42 > 0:02:46If I may be so honoured to have all the female nominees in every

0:02:46 > 0:02:53category stand with me in this room tonight...

0:02:53 > 0:02:54Best Actress winner Frances McDormand had

0:02:54 > 0:02:56a message for the moguls.

0:02:56 > 0:02:58Look around, ladies and gentlemen, because we all have stories to tell

0:02:58 > 0:03:01and projects we need financed.

0:03:01 > 0:03:09And the winner is, Gary Oldman, Darkest Hour.

0:03:10 > 0:03:11For his transformation into Winston Churchill,

0:03:11 > 0:03:14the British actor saw V for victory and he thanked his

0:03:14 > 0:03:1598-year-old mother.

0:03:15 > 0:03:18I say to my mother, "Thank you for your love and support.

0:03:18 > 0:03:25Put the kettle on, I'm bringing Oscar home."

0:03:25 > 0:03:28Congratulations!

0:03:28 > 0:03:30There were four more British wins, including one for The Silent Child,

0:03:30 > 0:03:35a short film about a deaf little girl from Wiltshire.

0:03:35 > 0:03:40I made a promise to our 6-year-old lead actress that I'd sign this

0:03:40 > 0:03:45speech, and my hands are shaking a little bit so I apologise.

0:03:45 > 0:03:47Last year, this famous duo announced the wrong winner.

0:03:47 > 0:03:50No such problem this time.

0:03:50 > 0:03:52The Shape of Water.

0:03:52 > 0:03:55The greatest thing our art does and our industry does is to erase

0:03:55 > 0:03:56the lines in the sand.

0:03:56 > 0:03:59We should continue doing that when the world tells us

0:03:59 > 0:04:02to make them deeper.

0:04:02 > 0:04:04So inclusion was the theme, change really is coming

0:04:04 > 0:04:05to Hollywood was the message.

0:04:05 > 0:04:13James Cook, BBC News, Los Angeles.

0:04:17 > 0:04:24A tweet from Simon, Oscars 2010, a group of over egos that know so

0:04:24 > 0:04:27little of People's struggles while these self service Pack each other

0:04:27 > 0:04:30on the back and talk about each other behind their back. It's not

0:04:30 > 0:04:38newsworthy. Sorry about that. We can bring you more on the Oscars now

0:04:38 > 0:04:41because Colin Paterson is live on the red carpet at the Vanity fair

0:04:41 > 0:04:45party. What was the highlight, it has been a long night for you and

0:04:45 > 0:04:51the winners.Good morning. The Vanity fair party is reaching its

0:04:51 > 0:04:55end down here. You can see some people starting to come out and head

0:04:55 > 0:05:00home to what is the most a list taxi queue in the whole of Hollywood. The

0:05:00 > 0:05:03big story of the night from a British point of view is Gary Oldman

0:05:03 > 0:05:10winning his first Oscar at the age of 59. This man has played Dracula,

0:05:10 > 0:05:15Sid Vicious, Lee Harvey Oswald. He has won his Oscar for playing

0:05:15 > 0:05:19Winston Churchill. We grabbed a word with him as he arrived with his

0:05:19 > 0:05:24kids, grandkids, and his new wife, who he told us he proposed to the

0:05:24 > 0:05:27set of Winston Churchill, Darkest Hour, while dressed as Winston

0:05:27 > 0:05:32Churchill. Even his new grandchild has Winston as middle name. They

0:05:32 > 0:05:38have really taken Winston Churchill on board. The whole family. He gave

0:05:38 > 0:05:45a lovely acceptance speech on stage, saying he would go and visit his

0:05:45 > 0:05:4999-year-old mother, 99 later this year, and he said he would take the

0:05:49 > 0:05:54Oscar, saying the Oscar is coming home.Amazing. You said it's the end

0:05:54 > 0:05:57of the party. Anyone there you want to grab for us while you are there

0:05:57 > 0:06:01on the striped black and white carpet, instead of the red carpet?

0:06:01 > 0:06:09Guillermo del Toro has not arrived, the Mexican director who won best

0:06:09 > 0:06:13director for The Shape Of Water, which also won best picture. It's a

0:06:13 > 0:06:17fantasy film about a mute cleaner played by English actress Sally

0:06:17 > 0:06:23Hawkins. She falls in love with a sea creature. Yes, there is human

0:06:23 > 0:06:28and fish sex in this film, that's what the Academy went four for best

0:06:28 > 0:06:35picture this year. He hasn't arrived at the party yet. The composer, who

0:06:35 > 0:06:40won best score, he has arrived. Maybe Guillermo del Toro is off

0:06:40 > 0:06:46examining the fish in Hollywood. Always a joy, Colin Paterson. Colin

0:06:46 > 0:06:50Paterson on five live in the early hours of the morning is always a

0:06:50 > 0:06:54highlight for me at Oscar time. Time for the rest of the morning's news

0:06:54 > 0:07:00with Ben Brown in the BBC newsroom.

0:07:00 > 0:07:02The cyclist Sir Bradley Wiggins and Team Sky

0:07:02 > 0:07:05have been accused of "crossing an ethical line" in their use

0:07:05 > 0:07:06of medication, in a report by MPs.

0:07:06 > 0:07:09A report by the Digital, Culture, Media and Sport committee

0:07:09 > 0:07:11says the prescriptions were used to enhance performance rather

0:07:11 > 0:07:12than just for medical need.

0:07:12 > 0:07:15Bradley Wiggins and Team Sky have strongly refuted the claims.

0:07:15 > 0:07:22And our sports correspondent will have more on this in a moment.

0:07:22 > 0:07:25Thousands of people in Wales and London

0:07:25 > 0:07:27and the south east have been

0:07:27 > 0:07:29without water or told to limit their use,

0:07:29 > 0:07:30because of burst pipes.

0:07:30 > 0:07:32It follows a rapid thaw after several days of

0:07:32 > 0:07:33sub-zero temperatures.

0:07:33 > 0:07:37It's led to the closure of a number of schools in Kent, while in London,

0:07:37 > 0:07:40emergency supplies of bottled water are being distributed.

0:07:40 > 0:07:43Simon Clemison sent this update.

0:07:43 > 0:07:49He spoke to some hit by shortages in London.

0:07:49 > 0:07:53I haven't had a shower today, unfortunately.There is no water in

0:07:53 > 0:07:58the taps. No showers, you can't brush your teeth.And I worked in

0:07:58 > 0:08:02the pub downstairs and they had no water so they shut early.You work

0:08:02 > 0:08:06in a restaurant, what's it like to come in and find no water?It's

0:08:06 > 0:08:11critical. Without water you can't do any business. There is no trade. You

0:08:11 > 0:08:18can't wash up, you can't prepare food, you can't operate.I just work

0:08:18 > 0:08:21down at the corner, but unfortunately there is no water from

0:08:21 > 0:08:25last night. The sink is working now but I don't know how they will fix

0:08:25 > 0:08:28all the problems.

0:08:28 > 0:08:31A military helicopter will deliver emergency supplies this morning in

0:08:31 > 0:08:35Cumbria which have been cut off for five days by heavy snow. Severe

0:08:35 > 0:08:40weather wreaked havoc across the county and some areas will remain

0:08:40 > 0:08:42isolated for another 48 hours because it is taking so long to

0:08:42 > 0:08:44clear the roads.

0:08:44 > 0:08:47The Chinook helicopter will drop food, coal and logs for heating,

0:08:47 > 0:08:49and electrical heaters.

0:08:49 > 0:08:52United Nations officials in Syria say they hope an escalation

0:08:52 > 0:08:55in fighting in the rebel-held enclave of Eastern Ghouta

0:08:55 > 0:08:59over the weekend

0:08:59 > 0:09:01won't stop them taking in humanitarian supplies today.

0:09:01 > 0:09:04President Assad has given permission for the aid convoy,

0:09:04 > 0:09:05but said the government's military offensive to retake

0:09:05 > 0:09:11the area must continue.

0:09:11 > 0:09:15Our correspondent Jeremy Bowen is with one of those

0:09:15 > 0:09:19aid convoys and sent this report.

0:09:19 > 0:09:24These are the long-awaited trucks, the convoy which is due to go into

0:09:24 > 0:09:28Eastern Ghouta. The first convoy since the 14th of February. Frankly

0:09:28 > 0:09:32before that there were very few. It's not very far from here. There

0:09:32 > 0:09:41has been steady outgoing fire from a heavy gun not too far away. This is

0:09:41 > 0:09:47the first slight easing of the siege. It's only temporary, though.

0:09:47 > 0:09:51And I think the people in Eastern Ghouta who get the supplies which

0:09:51 > 0:09:55the trucks are carrying will be very pleased to have them. The wider

0:09:55 > 0:10:01issue here is the Syrians, with their Russian allies, are pressing

0:10:01 > 0:10:04very hard onto Eastern Ghouta, and if they win here, and indications

0:10:04 > 0:10:08are that they will, then it will be a major victory for President Assad

0:10:08 > 0:10:11and his regime.

0:10:11 > 0:10:13Italy appears to be heading for a hung Parliament

0:10:13 > 0:10:14after its general election.

0:10:14 > 0:10:15There was a voting shift towards right-leaning

0:10:15 > 0:10:17and populist parties.

0:10:17 > 0:10:20There's no overall majority but the big winners

0:10:20 > 0:10:22were the right-wing coalition of former Prime Minister

0:10:22 > 0:10:24Silvio Berlusconi,

0:10:24 > 0:10:28and the anti-establishment Five Star Movement.

0:10:28 > 0:10:31Theresa May is to introduce measures which could see construction firms

0:10:31 > 0:10:35which have been slow to build new homes -

0:10:35 > 0:10:37refused planning permission in future.

0:10:37 > 0:10:39The Prime Minister will tell developers to "step

0:10:39 > 0:10:42up and do their bit".

0:10:42 > 0:10:45She'll warn that sitting on land as its value rises is not acceptable

0:10:45 > 0:10:53at a time of chronic housing need.

0:10:58 > 0:11:05That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30.

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0:11:12 > 0:11:19We can get some sports now. The 52 page report, combating doping in

0:11:19 > 0:11:27sport. The best part of two years in the making. It's full of claims,

0:11:27 > 0:11:30findings and recommendations from the group of MPs. The content, we

0:11:30 > 0:11:38have been aware of some of it because we have been across those

0:11:38 > 0:11:42committee meetings where they have quizzed Dave Brailsford from British

0:11:42 > 0:11:49cycling and Team Sky. The crux of it is the

0:11:49 > 0:11:52is the use of TUEs, therapeutic use exemption certificates, in order to

0:11:52 > 0:11:55use drugs that would normally be banned under the Wada code, but it

0:11:55 > 0:12:01is an athlete or cyclist is not well, you get one of the Tempo Mac

0:12:01 > 0:12:05and you can use it. We were aware of much of the content of the report,

0:12:05 > 0:12:11but what is quite new is MPs say they have a trusted source with

0:12:11 > 0:12:15confidential information from within British cycling who claims the use

0:12:15 > 0:12:26of TUEs pushed an ethical boundary and that the use of certain

0:12:26 > 0:12:31steroids, which Bradley Wiggins used TUEs, was widely used beyond the

0:12:31 > 0:12:37recommendation of using any TUEs. That is what is so damning to the

0:12:37 > 0:12:41reputation of British cycling. They have refuted all these accusations.

0:12:41 > 0:12:45Bradley Wiggins says, I find it so sad that accusations can be made

0:12:45 > 0:12:48where people can be accused of things they have never done, which

0:12:48 > 0:12:52are then regarded as fact. I strongly refute the claim that any

0:12:52 > 0:12:57drug was used without medical need. There has been a Team Sky response

0:12:57 > 0:13:01as well. They strongly refute the serious claim that medication is

0:13:01 > 0:13:05being used by the team to enhance performance. They say they are

0:13:05 > 0:13:13surprised and disappointed that the committee has chosen to present an

0:13:13 > 0:13:15anonymous and potentially malicious claim in this way without presenting

0:13:15 > 0:13:19any evidence or giving us an opportunity to respond. They say

0:13:19 > 0:13:25it's unfair both to the team and to the riders in question. Just to

0:13:25 > 0:13:32simplify things regarding this TUE, an interview Bradley Wiggins gave to

0:13:32 > 0:13:36Andrew Marr on the BBC about 18 months ago, where he said he used

0:13:36 > 0:13:40them because he was unwell, suffering from asthma and pollen

0:13:40 > 0:13:46allergies, and he used them to get back to a level playing field. If an

0:13:46 > 0:13:51athlete is 75, 80%, you use a TUE, and these normally banned drugs, to

0:13:51 > 0:13:57get back to 100%, to get back to a level laying field, in the words of

0:13:57 > 0:14:00Sir Bradley Wiggins. What this report is asserting and alleging is

0:14:00 > 0:14:08that the use of TUEs was used for 100% athletes to get them above and

0:14:08 > 0:14:12beyond, effectively saying that they were performance enhancing.And it's

0:14:12 > 0:14:16not just cycling and Bradley Wiggins in the spotlight. Who else is

0:14:16 > 0:14:22highlighted in the report?In athletics, Sebastian Coe gave

0:14:22 > 0:14:26evidence about what exactly he knew in his role as vice-chairman of the

0:14:26 > 0:14:32IAAF, of which he is now president. He said he wasn't aware of some very

0:14:32 > 0:14:36serious allegations of Russian doping. We although what has come to

0:14:36 > 0:14:42pass since then because these go back to 2014, 20 13. Any e-mail he

0:14:42 > 0:14:46received from Dave Bedford. He said he did not open an attachment that

0:14:46 > 0:14:51had some serious allegations. The MPs have found his evidence to them

0:14:51 > 0:14:59and to Parliament was misleading. The IAAF have responded of Lord Coe

0:14:59 > 0:15:01today to say they have written to the committee to explain the

0:15:01 > 0:15:05complexity of some of the anti-doping codes, so they will back

0:15:05 > 0:15:09their man. What has come out of this is a recommendation that the General

0:15:09 > 0:15:13Medical Council pursue and investigate a couple of doctors.

0:15:13 > 0:15:17Doctor Richard Friedman, involved in the whole British cycling setup. He

0:15:17 > 0:15:21did not give that much evidence because he is not well, but they

0:15:21 > 0:15:27suggest they should pursue him to find out exactly what he knew about

0:15:27 > 0:15:33giving those drugs to British cyclists. And another doctor who is

0:15:33 > 0:15:36now at the Football Association, part of the England setup. He used

0:15:36 > 0:15:44to be at UK athletics, and he gave a supplement injection to Mo Farah

0:15:44 > 0:15:48before the London Marathon in 2014. He did not keep any record of that

0:15:48 > 0:15:52whatsoever and they are also recommending that they look into

0:15:52 > 0:15:57that incident when Mo was given a supplement by what is now the head

0:15:57 > 0:16:00of the Football Association's medical setup.

0:16:07 > 0:16:15Thank you, more on that story at about 9:45am.

0:16:15 > 0:16:18It's estimated that about 1% of the British

0:16:18 > 0:16:20population are transgender or gender non-confirming, yet rows

0:16:20 > 0:16:23about rights for trans people is one of the defining issues society

0:16:23 > 0:16:31is trying to grapple with right now.

0:16:31 > 0:16:38Some women, often radical feminists who are sometimes called terfs -

0:16:39 > 0:16:41trans exclusionary radical feminists - believe that trans

0:16:41 > 0:16:44women aren't real women, can pose a danger to other women

0:16:44 > 0:16:47and therefore shouldn't be allowed into safe

0:16:47 > 0:16:48women only spaces like changing rooms or

0:16:48 > 0:16:49domestic violence refuges.

0:16:49 > 0:16:52But trans women say you don't need to be born

0:16:52 > 0:16:53with a vagina to be a woman.

0:16:53 > 0:16:58Often the debate is polarised, aggressive and offensive.

0:16:58 > 0:17:01We've tried to explore the issues in a sensitive and nuanced way.

0:17:01 > 0:17:03Rebecca Root, a transgender actor, who stars in the BBC comedy

0:17:03 > 0:17:07Boy Meets Girl reports for us.

0:17:07 > 0:17:10You say you want a debate, but you are called trans-phobic

0:17:10 > 0:17:11for wanting that debate.

0:17:11 > 0:17:14All we're hearing about is all of people's imagined fears

0:17:14 > 0:17:16if we make it easier for you and I to change

0:17:16 > 0:17:17our birth certificates.

0:17:17 > 0:17:20It's playing to this idea that if you don't believe that

0:17:20 > 0:17:22a trans woman is a woman, for example, and a trans

0:17:22 > 0:17:26man is a man, you're going against the law.

0:17:26 > 0:17:29I find it incredible that a small group of women think that they can

0:17:29 > 0:17:37tell other women who should and shouldn't represent them.

0:17:37 > 0:17:39I'm Rebecca Root, I'm an actor and a voice teacher.

0:17:39 > 0:17:42And I am also transgender.

0:17:42 > 0:17:45Since I transitioned in 2003, I've seen a big change in the way

0:17:45 > 0:17:51that British society now views and accepts the trans community.

0:17:51 > 0:17:53Mostly for the better.

0:17:53 > 0:17:56But there's an increasing number of complex issues that

0:17:56 > 0:17:59are still needing to find answers, so how does society

0:17:59 > 0:18:04and politicians catch up?

0:18:04 > 0:18:12How do they find the solutions so that everybody's happy?

0:18:15 > 0:18:1841% of trans people in Britain say they've experienced a hate crime

0:18:18 > 0:18:23in the last 12 months because of their gender identity.

0:18:23 > 0:18:31The Government is currently consulting on transgender rights,

0:18:34 > 0:18:37which has sparked a debate about how best to shape social

0:18:37 > 0:18:40policy for the community, and push for greater equality.

0:18:40 > 0:18:45If you look at the way that institutions are built in countries,

0:18:45 > 0:18:49they're built around that dichotomy, the binary between men and women.

0:18:49 > 0:18:55This is how we've been able to develop women's health care,

0:18:55 > 0:18:57right, or how, when we think about prisons, we've created women's

0:18:57 > 0:18:59prisons and men's prisons, because of an assumption

0:18:59 > 0:19:01about the different needs and challenges that these two

0:19:01 > 0:19:06genders face, right?

0:19:06 > 0:19:10The difficulty then with gender identity discussions is there's

0:19:10 > 0:19:14simply no way for governments to really understand them,

0:19:14 > 0:19:17because they don't fit within that traditional framework of dividing

0:19:17 > 0:19:20the general population.

0:19:20 > 0:19:22The UK Government in particular simply doesn't

0:19:22 > 0:19:25see transgender people.

0:19:25 > 0:19:28And when I say doesn't see them, I don't mean

0:19:28 > 0:19:31that they don't know they exist - they certainly know they exist.

0:19:31 > 0:19:34Some of the women raising concerns about these issues say

0:19:34 > 0:19:36although they just want an open discussion about them,

0:19:36 > 0:19:44they're being silenced.

0:19:44 > 0:19:46Pilgrim Tucker is one of them.

0:19:46 > 0:19:53You say you want a debate.

0:19:53 > 0:19:55There's no possible debate to be had but

0:19:55 > 0:19:57you are called trans-phobic for wanting that debate.

0:19:57 > 0:20:00What a lot of people are saying is that there are very significant

0:20:00 > 0:20:04differences between trans women and people who are born women,

0:20:04 > 0:20:09both biological and on the basis of their different anatomy,

0:20:09 > 0:20:17how they're treated in society and their experience of the world.

0:20:22 > 0:20:27That means a lot of careful thought. Let's slow down and talk about why

0:20:27 > 0:20:34women might feel cautious about having trans-women in their spaces,

0:20:34 > 0:20:40places where they will feel vulnerable.I remember that when I

0:20:40 > 0:20:44was transitioning, in an attempt to lose weight and get myself into

0:20:44 > 0:20:49shape I joined a gym. I know that I felt just as vulnerable in a female

0:20:49 > 0:21:00changing room so far as feeling the scrutiny of other women's eyes as I

0:21:00 > 0:21:04walked into my swimming costume. I always use a cubicle to get changed

0:21:04 > 0:21:09inside. And I would never use a communal shower. I can see how

0:21:09 > 0:21:16passionate you are, and it seems you are afraid almost of trans people or

0:21:16 > 0:21:24trans-women.No, I want to clarify that because I'm not afraid of trans

0:21:24 > 0:21:29people. Women have very well grounded, valid reasons to be

0:21:29 > 0:21:34cautious of men both from personal experience and the statistics. But I

0:21:34 > 0:21:39am not afraid of you, did you ever get the impression I was afraid of

0:21:39 > 0:21:45you? I don't think you did. Luck I'm not in a changing room. I don't

0:21:45 > 0:21:50think there's anything I've said to make you believe I am afraid of

0:21:50 > 0:21:55trans people. We spoke about the problems of male crimes towards

0:21:55 > 0:21:59women, OK? My explanation was that is why women are cautious of trans

0:21:59 > 0:22:06people.The way in which transgender people are legally recognised as

0:22:06 > 0:22:09something the Government is consulting on. Today, anyone who

0:22:09 > 0:22:13wants to legally change their gender in the UK has to apply for gender

0:22:13 > 0:22:17recognition certificate, many don't because they feel the process is

0:22:17 > 0:22:21long and meaning. To qualify, trans people don't need to have had

0:22:21 > 0:22:26surgery but must have lived for two years in their preferred gender. One

0:22:26 > 0:22:31way of doing this would be to let people self declare without the need

0:22:31 > 0:22:38for medical evidence.We have set out plans to reform the gender

0:22:38 > 0:22:40recognition act, streamlining and de medicalising the process for

0:22:40 > 0:22:46changing gender. Because being trans-is not an illness and it

0:22:46 > 0:22:53shouldn't be treated as such.Those that campaign for the transgender

0:22:53 > 0:23:06community, argue that self IDing is the next step.

0:23:07 > 0:23:09the next step.The really undignified public discourse about

0:23:09 > 0:23:16gay marriage wasn't really about gay marriage, it was just an excuse to

0:23:16 > 0:23:20-- for people to vent ugly homophobia. Anyone will be able to

0:23:20 > 0:23:24walk into a toilet and it will be the end of the world, and it's

0:23:24 > 0:23:27nonsense. All we are hearing about our people's imagined fears about

0:23:27 > 0:23:32how it will be the end of the world if we make it easier for you and I

0:23:32 > 0:23:40to change our birth to -- birth certificates and it's misplaced

0:23:40 > 0:23:45discourse.But self identification is not something everyone agrees

0:23:45 > 0:23:50with.I am opposed to the Government's new fascination with

0:23:50 > 0:23:59intervening in relation to GRCs and self identification. In a society we

0:23:59 > 0:24:03can accept, if somebody came up to me on the street or I was working

0:24:03 > 0:24:09with them and they said I want you to call me Bill instead of Billy, as

0:24:09 > 0:24:13a generous and understanding person I would say short and I think most

0:24:13 > 0:24:18people get on with that and there is not need to over legalise this issue

0:24:18 > 0:24:25I think.So why is there a debate? Because nobody has, as far as I can

0:24:25 > 0:24:30tell, nobody has called for this. There has not been a mass transit

0:24:30 > 0:24:35activist movement to call for these law changes.I think the suicide

0:24:35 > 0:24:41statistics are fairly in our favour if you like, that there is a great

0:24:41 > 0:24:46deal of unhappiness and depression surrounding not being able to access

0:24:46 > 0:24:56health care, which having a GRC would permit.It's playing into this

0:24:56 > 0:25:02idea that if you don't believe trans-woman is a woman for example,

0:25:02 > 0:25:07then you are not only the wrong kind of person in society and bigoted but

0:25:07 > 0:25:11you are also going against the law, you are going against what the law

0:25:11 > 0:25:16is and that should still be up for debate.Most people who are Charles

0:25:16 > 0:25:21lived with that all their lives so for them it is not an overnight

0:25:21 > 0:25:26thing. We are trying to see the wider point of view as to why the

0:25:26 > 0:25:31self identification is such a big problem. I don't see why it should

0:25:31 > 0:25:36be.The equality act 2010 protects trans people from discrimination and

0:25:36 > 0:25:40anyone who identifies themselves as a woman, whether it's their legal

0:25:40 > 0:25:47gender or not, can use single sex facilities. It does however allow

0:25:47 > 0:25:50service providers to refuse a trans person is access to single sex

0:25:50 > 0:25:55services if they are seen as detrimental to others. But does the

0:25:55 > 0:26:00legislation need updating?You're saying we will have a new system in

0:26:00 > 0:26:05a prison to placate the personal wishes of a few trans people. I am

0:26:05 > 0:26:09sounding harsh but that's kind of what it is. There might be some

0:26:09 > 0:26:15questions about the need to do that. It might not be necessary.Where do

0:26:15 > 0:26:22you stand on things like trans-women having access to women's refuges for

0:26:22 > 0:26:29example or other single sex spaces? To be thrown into a situation with

0:26:29 > 0:26:34somebody who potentially ostensibly looks like a man or not all trans

0:26:34 > 0:26:40women look like... Dress themselves as men, but for the grey area I

0:26:40 > 0:26:46think it is important believe that as a gender segregated area. There

0:26:46 > 0:26:51needs should come first.Relatively soon after my transition, I was

0:26:51 > 0:26:56beaten up by three male youths. Where would I go I was seeking

0:26:56 > 0:27:03refuge? Where would be a safe place for me?It's obviously horrible for

0:27:03 > 0:27:07you that that happened to you and I want to be sympathetic but at the

0:27:07 > 0:27:17same time I think this is the issue. People's personal experience is one

0:27:17 > 0:27:22thing, the political question of whether or not we deem women only

0:27:22 > 0:27:28spaces, especially in relation to rape and violence, are important,

0:27:28 > 0:27:33should be kept as separate as possible because the problem is

0:27:33 > 0:27:39anecdote and personal feeling, though important, often trumps the

0:27:39 > 0:27:47political question in terms of policy, law.If I hadn't been

0:27:47 > 0:27:56trans-and I was an ordinary person, and I had daughters, there's a man

0:27:56 > 0:28:00coming into women's toilets, I might have been like, I don't like the

0:28:00 > 0:28:04sound of that. I do think there are people with legitimate concerns who

0:28:04 > 0:28:11don't know what's happening or they are confused. I think there is a

0:28:11 > 0:28:14very small but vocal dedicated group of people who have a visceral

0:28:14 > 0:28:19prejudice against trans people, who are exploiting people's ignorance

0:28:19 > 0:28:25and confusion. It is playing on people's visceral prejudices.

0:28:25 > 0:28:31Actually there was no evidence that gay people would harm children by

0:28:31 > 0:28:35having gay teachers, there's no evidence that children adopted by

0:28:35 > 0:28:42same-sex couples are any more likely to be in danger. I think it is

0:28:42 > 0:28:46really responsible that people are whipping up this fear against us

0:28:46 > 0:28:52based on zero evidence. It's not a debate and I find it offensive it is

0:28:52 > 0:28:57framed as a debate. Hatred against trans people is not a debate.The

0:28:57 > 0:29:03issue of trans people in politics is also making waves. A crowd Fonda has

0:29:03 > 0:29:10been set up to stop trans-women being selected for all women short

0:29:10 > 0:29:18lists as candidates. Pilgrim took -- pilgrim Tucker has put her name on

0:29:18 > 0:29:26the campaign.

0:29:26 > 0:29:29the campaign.Women in the Labour Party really genuinely feel they

0:29:29 > 0:29:35haven't been listened to and that is because of the proper usual

0:29:35 > 0:29:45processes, we haven't gone through those. So I think whatever issue it

0:29:45 > 0:29:50was, if you are suddenly expected to expect something -- to accept

0:29:50 > 0:29:53something with no debate, no evidence, no rational discussion,

0:29:53 > 0:29:59feeling like you are being called a bigot just for asking for that

0:29:59 > 0:30:02discussion, whatever legislation that was, whatever social issue that

0:30:02 > 0:30:13was, it would get people's backs up. Doctor Heather Peto was a

0:30:13 > 0:30:18trans-woman and selected on the short list.

0:30:18 > 0:30:22I find it incredible that one group of women could tell other groups of

0:30:22 > 0:30:27women who can and can't represent them. If the candidates want to

0:30:27 > 0:30:36select me they can and if they don't want to they don't. I don't actually

0:30:36 > 0:30:40stop people from standing. The selection lists could be six or

0:30:40 > 0:30:44five, and it's up to the local selection committee how me people

0:30:44 > 0:30:50stand. It's for members to decide. I'm as valid a woman as any other

0:30:50 > 0:30:58woman. It's just that I have had a different journey getting there.The

0:30:58 > 0:31:01doctor showed me the constituency she is keen to represent. Although

0:31:01 > 0:31:05she says people are largely supportive of her standing, not

0:31:05 > 0:31:10everyone feels the same.I have been bombarded with nasty social media

0:31:10 > 0:31:15posts and e-mails. It amounts to abuse, I can't categorise it as

0:31:15 > 0:31:21anything else. For standing in the women only short list and for being

0:31:21 > 0:31:24the Labour Party's transgender officer. I knocked on one of these

0:31:24 > 0:31:29doors. I was out with a group of other Labour canvassers and this guy

0:31:29 > 0:31:34took a dislike to me and chased me down his pathway.Do you think that

0:31:34 > 0:31:38response of being chased like that was because of your physical

0:31:38 > 0:31:44leanings or was it more maybe because you are trams? -- political

0:31:44 > 0:31:55leanings.I think it was because I was trams. Because I was trans. I

0:31:55 > 0:32:01think the person was just an angry person.It's clear from the

0:32:01 > 0:32:03conversations I have had and also from my own experience that although

0:32:03 > 0:32:09the trans community has come a long way in fighting for equality and

0:32:09 > 0:32:13recognition, there is still a long way to go. If modern Britain is to

0:32:13 > 0:32:17find the answers and shape policy around them, then understanding and

0:32:17 > 0:32:21respect is key.

0:32:21 > 0:32:23Much more reaction to come after 10:00am -

0:32:23 > 0:32:25and of course we're really keen to hear from you.

0:32:25 > 0:32:30Michelle on Facebook, as a survivor of domestic violence, I am shocked

0:32:30 > 0:32:33trans-women care more about their rights and the fears of women who

0:32:33 > 0:32:38have been beaten and traumatised by men. Survivors of domestic violence

0:32:38 > 0:32:41often have PTSD for years and someone who pushes the unwanted

0:32:41 > 0:32:45presents onto a survivor just to prove a point needs to look closely

0:32:45 > 0:32:49at their intentions. Emmett says women's refuges should be exempt

0:32:49 > 0:32:52from accepting trans-women. I was in a refuge for seven months last year

0:32:52 > 0:32:58and needed a woman only space to feel safe. Steve says, they are

0:32:58 > 0:33:02scared of trans-women. If a man goes through the transition to be a woman

0:33:02 > 0:33:05and once they achieve this life changing journey, they should have

0:33:05 > 0:33:09the support of society and be allowed to live as a woman. They are

0:33:09 > 0:33:15women and should be treated as such. Do keep your comments coming in.

0:33:15 > 0:33:20Coming up before 11am...

0:33:20 > 0:33:24The mother who's had two children involved in two

0:33:24 > 0:33:30separate US school shootings.

0:33:30 > 0:33:34We are live at the Vanity Fair post-Oscars party. In there, the

0:33:34 > 0:33:39likes of Emma Watson, Drake and Gary Oldman. I hope they are all dancing

0:33:39 > 0:33:41together.

0:33:46 > 0:33:49Time for the latest news - here's Ben Brown.

0:33:49 > 0:33:52Gary Oldman was the big British success at the 2018 Oscars,

0:33:52 > 0:33:55collecting the Best Actor Award for his transformation

0:33:55 > 0:34:00into Winston Churchill for Darkest Hour.

0:34:00 > 0:34:04The other big win on the night was Frances McDormand, who picked up the

0:34:04 > 0:34:08best actress award and paid tribute to the other women nominees.

0:34:08 > 0:34:10The cyclist Sir Bradley Wiggins and Team Sky

0:34:10 > 0:34:13have been accused of "crossing an ethical line" in their use

0:34:13 > 0:34:16of medication, in a report by MPs.

0:34:16 > 0:34:19A report by the Digital, Culture, Media and Sport committee

0:34:19 > 0:34:21says the prescriptions were used to enhance performance rather

0:34:21 > 0:34:23than just for medical need.

0:34:23 > 0:34:29Bradley Wiggins and Team Sky have strongly rejected the claims.

0:34:29 > 0:34:31Thousands of people in Wales and London

0:34:31 > 0:34:33and the south east have been without water or told

0:34:33 > 0:34:35to limit their use, because of burst pipes.

0:34:35 > 0:34:37It follows a rapid thaw after several days of

0:34:37 > 0:34:40sub-zero temperatures.

0:34:40 > 0:34:44It's led to school closures and emergency water distribution.

0:34:44 > 0:34:49A military helicopter will deliver emergency supplies this

0:34:49 > 0:34:51morning to villages in Cumbria,

0:34:51 > 0:34:53which have been cut off for five days by heavy snow.

0:34:53 > 0:34:57Severe weather wreaked havoc across the county and some areas

0:34:57 > 0:34:59will remain isolated for another 48 hours, because it's taking

0:34:59 > 0:35:02so long to clear roads.

0:35:02 > 0:35:07Theresa May is to introduce measures to refuse

0:35:07 > 0:35:08future planning permissions to construction

0:35:08 > 0:35:15firms which have been slow to build new homes.

0:35:15 > 0:35:19The Prime Minister will say that sitting on land as its value rises

0:35:19 > 0:35:21is not acceptable at a time of chronic housing need.

0:35:21 > 0:35:26That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

0:35:26 > 0:35:33I will be back at 10am. Another message from Emma. Women escaping

0:35:33 > 0:35:40domestic violence need a safe space. My son, aged 18, wasn't allowed in

0:35:40 > 0:35:44the refuge with me and had to live with my parents. I understood why.

0:35:44 > 0:35:48Lots of refuges don't allow males over 16 to live there with their

0:35:48 > 0:35:53mothers. Refuges need to remain gender separate.

0:35:53 > 0:35:56Sport now with Olly.

0:35:56 > 0:36:00The headlines this morning, the England women came from behind twice

0:36:00 > 0:36:03to draw with Germany at the SheBelieves Cup. A friendly

0:36:03 > 0:36:08tournament in the US. Ellen White scored twice in the 2-2 draw. The

0:36:08 > 0:36:12England lionesses play the USA next. Manchester City are 18 points clear

0:36:12 > 0:36:16at the top of the Premier League after beating Chelsea 1-0. Bernardo

0:36:16 > 0:36:22Silva got the goal. Elsewhere Arsenal lost 2-1 to Brighton.

0:36:22 > 0:36:27Rangers are into the Scottish cup semifinal after beating Falkirk 4-1.

0:36:27 > 0:36:31Jason Cummings scored a hat-trick. Motherwell also into the last four.

0:36:31 > 0:36:35Kyle Edmund is the new British number one. Andy Murray had been top

0:36:35 > 0:36:39for almost 12 years but following hip surgery he has been out of

0:36:39 > 0:36:44action and is now 29th in the world. Edmund reached the Australian open

0:36:44 > 0:36:50semifinals and is now up to 24th.

0:36:50 > 0:36:54A fantasy film about a woman who falls in love with a fish has

0:36:54 > 0:36:56won the Best Picture award at the Oscars.

0:36:56 > 0:36:58Gary Oldman was named Best Actor, for his portrayal

0:36:58 > 0:37:01of Sir Winston Churchill in Darkest Hour and Frances

0:37:01 > 0:37:03McDormand, the star of Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri,

0:37:03 > 0:37:04won Best Actress.

0:37:04 > 0:37:07Frances McDormand, Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri.

0:37:07 > 0:37:15If I may be so honoured to have all the female nominees stand

0:37:17 > 0:37:20in every category stand with me inside this room tonight.

0:37:20 > 0:37:23The actors, Meryl, if you do it, everyone else will, come on.

0:37:23 > 0:37:24The film-makers, the producers, directors, the writers.

0:37:24 > 0:37:32The cinematographer. The composers, the song writers.

0:37:32 > 0:37:35OK, look around, everybody.

0:37:35 > 0:37:37Look around, ladies and gentlemen, because we all have stories to tell

0:37:37 > 0:37:38and projects we need financed.

0:37:38 > 0:37:40Oscar is the most beloved and respected man in Hollywood.

0:37:40 > 0:37:42And there's a very good reason why.

0:37:42 > 0:37:43Just look at him.

0:37:43 > 0:37:45Keeps his hands where you can see them.

0:37:45 > 0:37:51Never says a rude word.

0:37:51 > 0:37:52I did it all by myself!

0:37:52 > 0:37:58LAUGHTER.

0:37:58 > 0:38:03Of different voices, of our voices.

0:38:03 > 0:38:07Joining together in a mighty chorus that is finally saying, time's up.

0:38:07 > 0:38:11And the Oscar goes to...

0:38:11 > 0:38:15Jordan Peele, Get Out.

0:38:15 > 0:38:18This means so much to me.

0:38:18 > 0:38:20I stopped writing this movie about 20 times

0:38:20 > 0:38:22because I thought it was impossible.

0:38:22 > 0:38:23I thought it wasn't going to work.

0:38:23 > 0:38:29I thought no one would ever make this movie.

0:38:29 > 0:38:33But I kept coming back to it because I knew if someone let me

0:38:33 > 0:38:35make this movie then people would hear it and

0:38:35 > 0:38:36people would see it.

0:38:36 > 0:38:41And the Oscar goes to...

0:38:41 > 0:38:43The Shape Of Water.

0:38:43 > 0:38:51CHEERING.

0:38:58 > 0:39:01Oh God, hello.

0:39:01 > 0:39:03I made a promise to our six-year-old lead actress that

0:39:03 > 0:39:07I'd sign this speech.

0:39:07 > 0:39:10My hands are shaking a little bit so I apologise.

0:39:10 > 0:39:18Roger A Deakins, Blade Runner 2049.

0:39:18 > 0:39:25I say to my mother, thank you for your love and support.

0:39:25 > 0:39:33Put the kettle on, I'm bringing Oscar home.

0:39:40 > 0:39:45Let's go live to the black and white carpet of the Vanity Fair party.

0:39:45 > 0:39:48Colin Paterson, what was the best bit of the whole night?I will come

0:39:48 > 0:39:55to that. The things I do for you. That's the most A-list party in the

0:39:55 > 0:39:59world, and every journalist has gone into it. I'm the only one left here,

0:39:59 > 0:40:04and that's for you. I could be in their! I could be dancing with Drake

0:40:04 > 0:40:08and you have denied me!They wouldn't let you near him. What was

0:40:08 > 0:40:16the best bit of the night?The three best bits, Gary Oldman's speech. It

0:40:16 > 0:40:19was absolutely charming. At the end he said he was so delighted to have

0:40:19 > 0:40:25won this because this year his mother turns 99. He said he would go

0:40:25 > 0:40:29and visit her tomorrow and take his Oscar home. I believe we can hear

0:40:29 > 0:40:35from Gary Oldman at this party.She is probably in bed by now, but I

0:40:35 > 0:40:42will be seeing her in the morning. She has been... She brought me up

0:40:42 > 0:40:50and has... I don't know what mum doesn't want an Oscar for her son

0:40:50 > 0:40:57who is an actor. But I think she has wanted this for me for a long time.

0:40:57 > 0:41:01Winston Churchill was famous for his inspirational speeches. I wonder if

0:41:01 > 0:41:05he felt any pressure to live up to them tonight.There is a bit of

0:41:05 > 0:41:11pressure. There is a wheeled chemical thing that happens when

0:41:11 > 0:41:19your name is called. I can't really define it, but it's unlike anything

0:41:19 > 0:41:26else. And then you've got Meryl Streep ten feet away staring up at

0:41:26 > 0:41:31you, next to Denzel Washington. It's surreal. It really is. I can't

0:41:31 > 0:41:40believe that it says, Academy Awards to Gary Oldman on it. I'm still a

0:41:40 > 0:41:46bit sort of... You know...And he's had a real influence on your life,

0:41:46 > 0:41:49because you now have a grandson who has been named after Winston

0:41:49 > 0:41:55Churchill. Is that right?My son Alfie worked on the film. He is a

0:41:55 > 0:42:01camera assistant. He was here with his mum, Leslie, tonight. I don't

0:42:01 > 0:42:08know if they are here or not. He had worked on the movie. When he heard

0:42:08 > 0:42:15he was having a son. So his middle name is Winston.

0:42:15 > 0:42:23Amazing for Gary Oldman and his mum. We can talk about all the winners.

0:42:23 > 0:42:24Rhianna Dhillon, film critic and former R1

0:42:24 > 0:42:28presenter Emma Bullimore, entertainment reporter Amancay Tapia

0:42:28 > 0:42:31who's directed award winning short films like "Rescue Me" and "Campo de

0:42:31 > 0:42:33Batalla".

0:42:33 > 0:42:38That's go the big three, best picture, Best actor and actress. Did

0:42:38 > 0:42:46the right ones win?I think so. There were not huge shocks. Shape

0:42:46 > 0:42:53Water stole it from three build or was maybe a bit of a surprise. Gary

0:42:53 > 0:42:56Oldman and Frances McDormand were not surprises. Frances McDormand has

0:42:56 > 0:43:00made great speeches along the way and this was another big one.Gary

0:43:00 > 0:43:07Oldman is one of those awards, it's a legacy award. It might not be the

0:43:07 > 0:43:11best role ever for him but he has done so many incredible films in his

0:43:11 > 0:43:15career. The fact this is his very first Oscar is shocking.What did

0:43:15 > 0:43:19you think is a director?I think the Oscars are always a bit predictable

0:43:19 > 0:43:27and this year for the first time we had a group of films that were

0:43:27 > 0:43:30unpredictable going for best picture.Is that because they were

0:43:30 > 0:43:36so good or because it is changing? They were a bit edgy. We had films

0:43:36 > 0:43:43with an independent edge to them. Films like get out and Lady Bird. In

0:43:43 > 0:43:48the end they went for a safe film, The Shape Of Water. It was the one

0:43:48 > 0:43:52film out of all the films that didn't really make a statement. It

0:43:52 > 0:43:57was a fantastic film. It didn't have that many Hollywood elements because

0:43:57 > 0:44:04here we have a beauty and the beast love story where the beauty is not

0:44:04 > 0:44:14such a beauty and the beast is not such a beast. But it's very human.

0:44:14 > 0:44:18Were you surprised the Me Too movement didn't get more of a

0:44:18 > 0:44:21mention?The fact is Jimmy said it in his opening monologue, it was a

0:44:21 > 0:44:26good chance to set everybody else up, to say that we could talk about

0:44:26 > 0:44:29it and we could have that dialogue and we are not bored of it yet. I

0:44:29 > 0:44:32was a little bit surprised that more speeches did not include it. But

0:44:32 > 0:44:36having said that, there were not many women on the platform to

0:44:36 > 0:44:41receive awards. They were giving them.Which is potentially wide

0:44:41 > 0:44:45Frances McDormand appealed for all the female nominees to stand up.I

0:44:45 > 0:44:49was impressed with Jimmy because he tackled it head on. He mentioned

0:44:49 > 0:44:56Kevin Spacey and Harvey Weinstein by name. He made jokes but also said,

0:44:56 > 0:44:58it's not good enough. But it's also a celebration and a positive night.

0:44:58 > 0:45:02Frances McDormand said it was difficult for women to get

0:45:02 > 0:45:06particular projects financed. He said all the women have ideas, make

0:45:06 > 0:45:09proper appointments, don't talk to us at the parties tonight. Do you

0:45:09 > 0:45:17think it's harder for women to get projects financed?

0:45:17 > 0:45:20I think the issue is about the people financing the films who

0:45:20 > 0:45:27cannot make it to the Oscars. They are majority male and Caucasian, and

0:45:27 > 0:45:32probably in their 60s so they relate to masculine stories. Masculine

0:45:32 > 0:45:38stories are seen as universal, female stories are seen as niche.I

0:45:38 > 0:45:43want to ask you about Rachel Shenton and Chris Overton, Hollyoaks actors

0:45:43 > 0:45:52who

0:45:52 > 0:46:00who won best live action short film for The Silent Child, and Rachel did

0:46:00 > 0:46:06her acceptance speech in sign language.

0:46:07 > 0:46:13language.There's the disabilities that are getting left behind, and we

0:46:13 > 0:46:17need to be more inclusive across the board. That was a sweet and lovely

0:46:17 > 0:46:22way, instead of making a political it was like this is my way of being

0:46:22 > 0:46:26inclusive and this is how we can step it up a little bit.Finally, I

0:46:26 > 0:46:39want to talk about one particular outfit, step forward Olympic figure

0:46:41 > 0:46:48spectre Adam Rippon and his bondage outfit -- figure skater.I was more

0:46:48 > 0:46:52impressed with the west side story star who wore the same dress that

0:46:52 > 0:47:01she wore to the Oscars in 1962, amazing.I cannot even fit into a

0:47:01 > 0:47:08dress I was last week! Incredible. Thank you.

0:47:09 > 0:47:10Coming up...

0:47:10 > 0:47:13Theresa May will tell developers to "step up and do their bit"

0:47:13 > 0:47:15as she introduces new measures to punish firms who build

0:47:15 > 0:47:16houses too slowly.

0:47:16 > 0:47:19We'll bring you the Prime Minister's speech after half past ten.

0:47:19 > 0:47:21Britain's most decorated Olympian Sir Bradley Wiggins used

0:47:21 > 0:47:24drugs to enhance his performance.

0:47:24 > 0:47:26That's what MPs on the Culture, Media and Sport select

0:47:26 > 0:47:33committee have found.

0:47:33 > 0:47:35They say though he didn't break the rules in doing so, but he

0:47:35 > 0:47:36crossed an ethical line.

0:47:36 > 0:47:41And they've accused the head of international athletics,

0:47:41 > 0:47:44Lord Coe, of being "misleading" and questioned the use

0:47:44 > 0:47:46of a substance by Britain's greatest-ever distance runner,

0:47:46 > 0:47:47Sir Mo Farah.

0:47:47 > 0:47:51Sir Bradley Wiggins and Team Sky say they "strongly refute" the claims.

0:47:51 > 0:47:55In a tweet late last night, he said he finds it "so sad that

0:47:55 > 0:47:57accusations can be made, where people can be accused

0:47:57 > 0:48:00of things they have never done which are then regarded as facts.

0:48:00 > 0:48:06I strongly refute the claim that any drug was used without medical need."

0:48:06 > 0:48:09Well, this is Bradley Wiggins when he was asked

0:48:09 > 0:48:16about the claims by Andrew Marr in September 2016.

0:48:16 > 0:48:21It was prescribed for allergies and respiratory problems. I am a

0:48:21 > 0:48:27lifelong sufferer of asthma and I went to 19 doctor at the time, and

0:48:27 > 0:48:31we in turn went to a specialist to see if there was anything else we

0:48:31 > 0:48:35could do to cure these problems. This wasn't trying to find a way of

0:48:35 > 0:48:41gaining an unfair advantage, it was about getting back on a level

0:48:41 > 0:48:46playing field to compete at a high level.

0:48:46 > 0:48:49The MPs' report calls on the Team Sky founder

0:48:49 > 0:48:50and Principal Sir Dave Brailsford to take responsibility.

0:48:50 > 0:48:52Here's our sports correspondent Andy Swiss asking him

0:48:52 > 0:48:54about the contents of a 'mystery package' received by

0:48:54 > 0:48:57Sir Bradley in 2011.

0:48:57 > 0:49:05Have you been able to provide any paperwork about the package?We

0:49:05 > 0:49:11provided all of the evidence...Have you been able to provide evidence to

0:49:11 > 0:49:17prove what it was?We have given them everything we have got. I have

0:49:17 > 0:49:21said everything I want to say and I will leave it there, but I have

0:49:21 > 0:49:29given the paperwork to the right people. I cannot talk on behalf of

0:49:29 > 0:49:34British cycling, they will provide what they have got.If the fans knew

0:49:34 > 0:49:39you had the paperwork, that would reassure them.

0:49:39 > 0:49:41Let's talk now to Tony Doyle, a former Olympic cyclist,

0:49:41 > 0:49:43British world champion and briefly president of British Cycling,

0:49:43 > 0:49:46Diane Modahl who was wrongly accused of taking testosterone

0:49:46 > 0:49:50and banned from competing,

0:49:50 > 0:49:58and Labour MP Ian Lucas who's one of the MPs behind the report.

0:49:58 > 0:50:05Essentially an anonymous allegation is your evidence?There are number

0:50:05 > 0:50:07of people from within cycling who made allegations to the committee

0:50:07 > 0:50:15who are very concerned about what was happening and wanted to present

0:50:15 > 0:50:19evidence to us. There were multiple obligations made and we relied on

0:50:19 > 0:50:25that evidence.So what is the evidence apart from the allegations?

0:50:25 > 0:50:29They'd missed by individuals about the use of performance enhancing

0:50:29 > 0:50:33drugs within cycling which was presented to the committee. Some of

0:50:33 > 0:50:36the evidence was presented anonymously by whistle-blowers who

0:50:36 > 0:50:40did not want to disclose their names but other people did give their

0:50:40 > 0:50:44names and they presented the information. I have to say a lot of

0:50:44 > 0:50:50this could have been cleared up if Team Sky had acted professionally in

0:50:50 > 0:50:52presenting medical evidence and retaining medical evidence which

0:50:52 > 0:50:58they should have had and which they have never supplied. So all of these

0:50:58 > 0:51:03issues were within the control of Team Sky, but despite repeated

0:51:03 > 0:51:06opportunities, they have never presented the evidence and the cloud

0:51:06 > 0:51:12that exists over the sport rest squarely within Team Sky and British

0:51:12 > 0:51:19cycling.So Bradley Wiggins says he finds it sad people can be accused

0:51:19 > 0:51:25of things they have never done. We strongly refute this, we are

0:51:25 > 0:51:30surprised and disappointed the committee has chosen to present an

0:51:30 > 0:51:38anonymous and potentially malicious claims without any evidence,

0:51:38 > 0:51:44claims without any evidence, says Sir Dave Brailsford.

0:51:44 > 0:51:46Sir Dave Brailsford.There are multiple sources. It's an intensely

0:51:46 > 0:51:53sad day.How do you know they are not malicious?Dave Brailsford gave

0:51:53 > 0:51:59evidence to the committee himself and could not satisfy us. It was his

0:51:59 > 0:52:03responsibility as the manager in charge to have details of the

0:52:03 > 0:52:07medical adults that were being used by his riders within the team. At no

0:52:07 > 0:52:12time has he been able to present that evidence. If he had done so,

0:52:12 > 0:52:18all of these issues could have been dealt with.Do you think you should

0:52:18 > 0:52:22now consider his position?It's been a gross failure of management on his

0:52:22 > 0:52:27part. Those of us who love sport and want to have sport that is honest

0:52:27 > 0:52:34and straightforward know that today is a very sad day. We take no

0:52:34 > 0:52:37pleasure in presenting this report but we owe it to the people who

0:52:37 > 0:52:41presented us with evidence to give an honest assessment and if Britain

0:52:41 > 0:52:45wants to hold up its head in the world on doping, we need to look at

0:52:45 > 0:52:50these cases rigorously and present an honest opinion which is what our

0:52:50 > 0:52:56committee has done.Tony Doyle, do you think Sir Dave Brailsford should

0:52:56 > 0:52:59consider his position?Most definitely. There's no question that

0:52:59 > 0:53:06ethically rules have been broken, the line hasn't just been jumped,

0:53:06 > 0:53:12cleared marginally, it has been jumped with a huge margin and they

0:53:12 > 0:53:17have taken advantage of the rules to enhance performance. It is a sport

0:53:17 > 0:53:22which I love, which I've had a fantastic career, I am still

0:53:22 > 0:53:26involved and it is a sad day our sport is being dragged through the

0:53:26 > 0:53:31mire for the wrong reasons.Although the committee acknowledged rules

0:53:31 > 0:53:39have not been broken.The world governing body and Wada have got to

0:53:39 > 0:53:45look at the rules more closely so that the steroids can only be used

0:53:45 > 0:54:00to treat illnesses. You can use asthma as a masking agent to use the

0:54:00 > 0:54:10TUE fall of the reasons.Would you ban TUEs?The fact Team Sky have not

0:54:10 > 0:54:14kept records...I mean how do you react to the fact there are no

0:54:14 > 0:54:23records? Apparently Bradley Wiggins' information was on a laptop that got

0:54:23 > 0:54:28stolen.That is very convenient, and very convenient records were not

0:54:28 > 0:54:37kept and we are told Team Sky and British cycling are not sharing

0:54:37 > 0:54:41staff or personnel but they are still sharing the same building.

0:54:41 > 0:54:45They are both working out of the national cycling Centre so there's a

0:54:45 > 0:54:52direct conflict of interest.I want to ask about Mo Farah, MPs found he

0:54:52 > 0:55:01was given a drug before the 2014 London Marathon.

0:55:10 > 0:55:18What you think about the doctor did according to the MP report?Bradley

0:55:18 > 0:55:26Wiggins is correct about one thing, neither him nor Mo Farah had tested

0:55:26 > 0:55:31positive for drugs in sport and the report go so much further than what

0:55:31 > 0:55:36we are hearing about today. It goes to the Court of the governance of

0:55:36 > 0:55:41the IAAF, the way the organisation is directed and controlled. We know

0:55:41 > 0:55:45the record-keeping has been very poor. We know that the ethics and

0:55:45 > 0:55:50the moral credibility of the organisation has been in question

0:55:50 > 0:55:54for a long time, and what the parliamentary report does today is

0:55:54 > 0:55:58confirm everything that most of us are aware of and have been saying

0:55:58 > 0:56:05for a long time, that the code of conduct, the duty of care that the

0:56:05 > 0:56:09IAAF have to all innocent athletes is not up to standard and that

0:56:09 > 0:56:14cannot continue because what it will mean is that innocent athletes will

0:56:14 > 0:56:19actually find themselves in a really difficult and uncomfortable

0:56:19 > 0:56:22situation because the governance, the people who are there to protect

0:56:22 > 0:56:30us are not doing their job in the way they should be doing it.This

0:56:30 > 0:56:34issue of poor record-keeping, which you say makes it harder for clean

0:56:34 > 0:56:38athletes to clear their names effectively, how do you react to the

0:56:38 > 0:56:42fact the international governing body is not making sure that really

0:56:42 > 0:56:50basic record-keeping is done?It is shocking, it goes to the heart of

0:56:50 > 0:56:53the trust, the carer and independents that athletes need to

0:56:53 > 0:56:59have, and need to be reassured that every time they go on a bike or step

0:56:59 > 0:57:04on the start line that they are protected. It talks about the

0:57:04 > 0:57:09behaviour so the individuals who are sitting around the table and

0:57:09 > 0:57:13governing the sport, is there enough scrutiny, is there enough challenge

0:57:13 > 0:57:18coming from those people who have not the passion, because we are all

0:57:18 > 0:57:23passionate about sport, we love sport, but passion is not going to

0:57:23 > 0:57:28fix this problem. It is going to be a strategic, credible, well governed

0:57:28 > 0:57:32organisation with the right skills and the right knowledge and

0:57:32 > 0:57:35expertise at around that table, and clearly that is not there at the

0:57:35 > 0:57:42moment.Therefore are you saying Lord Coe should consider his

0:57:42 > 0:57:47position?I think he wants to fix this problem and he should

0:57:47 > 0:57:51absolutely be looking at his team. He should be looking around his

0:57:51 > 0:57:56table and saying, are these the right people in terms of the

0:57:56 > 0:58:01behaviours, the trust, the independent judgment, the openness,

0:58:01 > 0:58:05the objectivity, the selflessness that it requires to get it right at

0:58:05 > 0:58:10governance level. What the report confirms is that there are far too

0:58:10 > 0:58:16many cracks within the governance system for us to be reliably

0:58:16 > 0:58:23reassured that Lord Coe has got that right at the moment.Thank you,

0:58:23 > 0:58:29Diane Modahl. And you heard from Ian Lucas, and Tony Doyle, thank you

0:58:29 > 0:58:35very much. Former president of British cycling. Team Sky and so

0:58:35 > 0:58:39Bradley Wiggins and say they strongly refute the claims. Now the

0:58:39 > 0:58:39Bradley Wiggins and say they strongly refute the claims. Now the

0:58:39 > 0:58:44weather with Carol. It will remain unsettled, but is extreme weather as

0:58:44 > 0:58:49we had last week. Some fabulous pictures to show you, the first one

0:58:49 > 0:58:53shows quite an icy scene and the next one is a very similar story in

0:58:53 > 0:58:59that there is a fair bit of cloud around in Newquay in Cornwall. Today

0:58:59 > 0:59:03the cloud will thicken where we currently have sunshine, and more

0:59:03 > 0:59:09rain will spread in. Meanwhile we have snow across the Scottish hills,

0:59:09 > 0:59:13above about 200 metres. What's happening is low pressure is still

0:59:13 > 0:59:18governing our weather and it be with us for much of the week, although

0:59:18 > 0:59:24not much in the way of wind. In Scotland there will still be a

0:59:24 > 0:59:31noticeable wind-chill. If we start in Scotland, we have the snow

0:59:31 > 0:59:35largely in the hills, at lower levels it's more likely to be sleet

0:59:35 > 0:59:39or rain, then the showers in the south-west and Wales replaced by

0:59:39 > 0:59:44rain slowly moving northwards. After a sunny start the cloud will build

0:59:44 > 0:59:49and temperatures milder in the south, but in the north still cold.

0:59:49 > 0:59:53Don't forget in north-east Scotland we have the wind-chill to add-on as

0:59:53 > 0:59:59well. Overnight weather front producing this rain migrates

0:59:59 > 1:00:03northwards, engages with the cold air, and indeed once again we will

1:00:03 > 1:00:09see no. We expect it to be mainly in the hills above 100m, and once again

1:00:09 > 1:00:13the risk of ice and we could see frost. As well as that, the chance

1:00:13 > 1:00:19of seeing patchy mist and fog forming. A cold night in prospect,

1:00:19 > 1:00:24these are the temperatures you can expect in towns and cities. In rural

1:00:24 > 1:00:29areas it will be lower than this. Tomorrow our weather front continues

1:00:29 > 1:00:33drifting northwards, mostly at low levels we are looking at rain. On

1:00:33 > 1:00:37higher ground it is more likely to be snow and as we move further south

1:00:37 > 1:00:42quite a lot of cloud and a grey day tomorrow with showers across

1:00:42 > 1:00:46Northern Ireland and the south-west of England and the Channel Islands.

1:00:46 > 1:00:52Still only three degrees in Aberdeen and balmy 12 degrees in London. As

1:00:52 > 1:00:55we head into Wednesday, low pressure still in charge of our weather,

1:00:55 > 1:01:00centred in the North Sea, and we can see everything topping across it

1:01:00 > 1:01:05which means in north-west Scotland we will see wintriness in the

1:01:05 > 1:01:07forecast and wintry showers too across Northern Ireland, and showers

1:01:07 > 1:01:11in the self heavy with hail.

1:01:14 > 1:01:17Hello it's Monday, it's 10 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

1:01:17 > 1:01:20Our lead story today - The Shape of Water, about a woman

1:01:20 > 1:01:22who falls in love with a sea creature, takes the top

1:01:22 > 1:01:23honours at the Oscars.

1:01:23 > 1:01:26Gary Oldman picks up best actor for his portrayal of

1:01:26 > 1:01:27Winston Churchill in Darkest Hour.

1:01:27 > 1:01:31To my mother, thank you for your love and support.

1:01:31 > 1:01:34Put the kettle on.

1:01:34 > 1:01:39I'm bringing Oscar home.

1:01:39 > 1:01:41Also on the programme - it's one of the defining issues

1:01:41 > 1:01:44facing society right now.

1:01:44 > 1:01:46Should trans-women be allowed into spaces traditionally

1:01:46 > 1:01:49seen as women only?

1:01:49 > 1:01:54I remember when I was transitioning, in an attempt to lose some weight

1:01:54 > 1:02:02and get into shape, I joined a gym. I know I felt just as vulnerable in

1:02:02 > 1:02:07a female changing room, so far as feeling the scrutiny of other

1:02:07 > 1:02:13women's eyes.

1:02:13 > 1:02:15And Rebecca Root, the author of our report,

1:02:15 > 1:02:17will be with us shortly, along with a transgender campaigner

1:02:17 > 1:02:20and two feminists who don't believe trans women should be allowed

1:02:20 > 1:02:23into women's only spaces.

1:02:23 > 1:02:26And in around half an hour's time Theresa May will set out plans

1:02:26 > 1:02:29to increase the pressure on developers in England to build

1:02:29 > 1:02:31more homes to tackle the housing shortage.

1:02:31 > 1:02:33We';ll bring it to you live.

1:02:40 > 1:02:44Here's Ben Brown with the latest news.

1:02:44 > 1:02:46Gary Oldman was the big British success at the 2018 Oscars

1:02:46 > 1:02:49collecting the Best Actor Award for his transformation

1:02:49 > 1:02:51into Winston Churchill for Darkest Hour.

1:02:51 > 1:02:54The other big winner on the night was Frances McDormand,

1:02:54 > 1:02:57who picked up the best actress award and paid tribute to

1:02:57 > 1:03:00the other female nominees.

1:03:00 > 1:03:04If I may be so honoured to have all the female nominees in every

1:03:04 > 1:03:06category stand with me inside this room tonight.

1:03:06 > 1:03:11The actors - Meryl, if you do it, everyone else will, come on.

1:03:11 > 1:03:13OK, look around, everybody.

1:03:13 > 1:03:16Look around, ladies and gentlemen, because we all have stories to tell

1:03:16 > 1:03:23and projects we need financed.

1:03:23 > 1:03:26The cyclist Sir Bradley Wiggins and Team Sky have been accused

1:03:26 > 1:03:28of "crossing an ethical line" in their use of medication,

1:03:28 > 1:03:30in a report by MPs.

1:03:30 > 1:03:33The report by the Digital, Culture, Media and Sport committee says

1:03:33 > 1:03:35the prescriptions were used to enhance performance rather

1:03:35 > 1:03:37than just for medical need.

1:03:37 > 1:03:41Bradley Wiggins and Team Sky have strongly refuted the claims.

1:03:41 > 1:03:47And our sports correspondent will have more on this in a moment.

1:03:48 > 1:03:51Ian Lucas, one of the MPs on the committee behind the report has

1:03:51 > 1:03:56given his reaction to this programme.I have to say, a lot of

1:03:56 > 1:04:01this could all have been cleared up if Team Sky had acted professionally

1:04:01 > 1:04:05in presenting medical evidence and retaining medical evidence, which

1:04:05 > 1:04:10they ought to have had and which they have never supplied. So all of

1:04:10 > 1:04:15these issues were in the control of Team Sky. But despite repeated

1:04:15 > 1:04:19opportunities, they have never presented that evidence and the

1:04:19 > 1:04:24clout that exists over the sport rests squarely with Team Sky and

1:04:24 > 1:04:28also British cycling. -- and the cloud that exists.

1:04:28 > 1:04:29Thousands of people in Wales and London

1:04:29 > 1:04:31and the south east have been

1:04:31 > 1:04:33without water or told to limit their use,

1:04:33 > 1:04:34because of burst pipes.

1:04:34 > 1:04:36It follows a rapid thaw after several days of

1:04:36 > 1:04:37sub-zero temperatures.

1:04:37 > 1:04:41It's led to the closure of a number of schools in Kent, while in London,

1:04:41 > 1:04:48emergency bottled water is being distributed.

1:04:48 > 1:04:51A military helicopter will deliver emergency supplies this morning to

1:04:51 > 1:04:54villages in Cumbria that have been cut off for five days because of

1:04:54 > 1:04:59heavy snow. Severe weather wreaking havoc across the county and some

1:04:59 > 1:05:02areas will remain isolated for another 48 hours because it is

1:05:02 > 1:05:09taking so long to clear the roads. A Chinook helicopter will drop food,

1:05:09 > 1:05:11Cole and logs for heating, and electrical heaters.

1:05:11 > 1:05:15That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.30.

1:05:15 > 1:05:20We will talk more about the rights of trans-women in a moment. Jane

1:05:20 > 1:05:25sent an e-mail, it's clear to me the trans-women on the show are not real

1:05:25 > 1:05:28women, they fight other women instead of complaining to men, which

1:05:28 > 1:05:31are the root of the problem. That's why the patriarch it doesn't go

1:05:31 > 1:05:36away, women are fighting each other. This tweet, trans activists are

1:05:36 > 1:05:41quick to judge people about the lack of understanding and caring towards

1:05:41 > 1:05:43trans people, while simultaneously dismissing out of hand the thoughts

1:05:43 > 1:05:48of those who have concerns about shared spaces. Kate on Twitter says,

1:05:48 > 1:05:52trans-women are women and that should be the end of it. Survivor or

1:05:52 > 1:05:58not, no one should be exempt from the blatant trans-phobia of

1:05:58 > 1:06:02insisting otherwise. Rebecca says she supports the trans community in

1:06:02 > 1:06:07their fight for equal rights. But I oppose trans forming an identity by

1:06:07 > 1:06:12hijacking and opposing women's rights. Stop fighting those born

1:06:12 > 1:06:16women with the trans-phobic label. Slow down, perverse and take pride

1:06:16 > 1:06:20in forming your own identity.

1:06:20 > 1:06:22Do get in touch with us

1:06:22 > 1:06:24throughout the morning - use the hashtag Victoria live

1:06:24 > 1:06:27and If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

1:06:27 > 1:06:32We can go to the sport now. Starting with the Department for Culture,

1:06:32 > 1:06:36Media and Sport select committee report that says Team Sky and

1:06:36 > 1:06:46Bradley Wiggins used potential performance enhancing drugs. They

1:06:46 > 1:06:49claim drugs were used beyond the requirement for therapeutic use

1:06:49 > 1:06:54exemption. Boast Bradley Wiggins and Team Sky refute all the allegations.

1:06:54 > 1:06:59The BBC athletics commentator and former Olympic champion Steve Cram

1:06:59 > 1:07:04gave his response to the report. -- both Bradley Wiggins...We have to

1:07:04 > 1:07:07protect athletes at the highest level but we have to be careful not

1:07:07 > 1:07:12to step over the line in terms of misusing TUEs. I welcome any

1:07:12 > 1:07:16scenario where we get the guidelines right on that. I don't think anybody

1:07:16 > 1:07:20has done anything that break the rules around doping, I'm pretty sure

1:07:20 > 1:07:24about that. Some of the headlines coming out are probably not

1:07:24 > 1:07:27accurate. I think shining a spotlight on it is important to make

1:07:27 > 1:07:32sure we don't make any mistakes going forward.Also in that report,

1:07:32 > 1:07:36Lord Coe, president of the IAAF, is accused of giving misleading

1:07:36 > 1:07:42evidence to the committee regarding his knowledge of corruption in

1:07:42 > 1:07:45Russian athletics. Extensive coverage of this story on the BBC

1:07:45 > 1:07:50sport website. A very good article by sports editor Dan Roan. We will

1:07:50 > 1:07:54be across further reaction to that as the day progresses. In

1:07:54 > 1:07:58football... Manchester city manager Pep Guardiola has until six o'clock

1:07:58 > 1:08:03this evening to respond to an FA charge of displaying a political

1:08:03 > 1:08:07symbol for wearing his Catalan independence yellow ribbon. The FA

1:08:07 > 1:08:10Chief Executive Martin Glenn says English football's governing body do

1:08:10 > 1:08:16not want political symbols in football. Guardiola's side are 18

1:08:16 > 1:08:20points clear at the top of the Premier League after a 1-0 win over

1:08:20 > 1:08:23reigning champions Chelsea. They have already won the League Cup and

1:08:23 > 1:08:27their next piece of silverware is on the horizon, just four wins away

1:08:27 > 1:08:33from winning the title, and it would be the earliest time it has ever

1:08:33 > 1:08:38been won. Bernardo Silva's strike was enough to another points at the

1:08:38 > 1:08:42Etihad. After back-to-back defeats to City in a League Cup final and

1:08:42 > 1:08:47the league over the past week, Arsenal have lost again, this time

1:08:47 > 1:08:50to Brighton, 2-1. Lewis Dunk and Glenn Murray with the goals for

1:08:50 > 1:08:55Brighton. Its arsenal's fourth defeat in a row. Because increasing

1:08:55 > 1:09:01for manager Arsene to go. Rangers and Celtic will face each other in

1:09:01 > 1:09:05the Scottish cup semifinals after Rangers beat Falkirk 4-1 at Ibrox.

1:09:05 > 1:09:09Jason Cummings scored a hat-trick. Motherwell beat Hearts and they will

1:09:09 > 1:09:15face Aberdeen or Kilmarnock. England's women are still unbeaten

1:09:15 > 1:09:23in the SheBelieves Cup in the friendly tournament in the USA. They

1:09:23 > 1:09:27had friendly pep talk from David Beckham and the lionesses came from

1:09:27 > 1:09:30behind twice. Agony for Millie Bright when her own goal gave

1:09:30 > 1:09:35Germany a 2-1 lead. Ellen White scored England's first and then

1:09:35 > 1:09:41rescued them a second time as it finished 2-2.It shows how much we

1:09:41 > 1:09:44have grown, the desire, and working hard to compete against the best

1:09:44 > 1:09:47teams in the world and also beat them. We are disappointed to have

1:09:47 > 1:09:51drawn. We have come a long way. That's all the sport for now, we

1:09:51 > 1:09:56will be back with the headlines later.

1:09:56 > 1:09:59In most of our lifetimes we've seen public attitudes shift on racism,

1:09:59 > 1:10:02homophobia and most recently on sexual harassment.

1:10:02 > 1:10:07Another defining issue of our time is what rights should be afforded

1:10:07 > 1:10:09to transgender people and in particular trans-women.

1:10:09 > 1:10:12The Equality Act 2010 means transgender people can't be

1:10:12 > 1:10:17discriminated against - but public policy hasn't really yet

1:10:17 > 1:10:20caught up with how to ensure that happens when it comes to things

1:10:20 > 1:10:23like which toilet or changing rooms trans-women should use,

1:10:23 > 1:10:28which prison they should be sent to if they commit an offence,

1:10:28 > 1:10:36whether they should be allowed in a woman's only refuges.

1:10:37 > 1:10:38The debate can be heated and polarised.

1:10:38 > 1:10:41We've tried to take some of the heat out of the issue

1:10:41 > 1:10:44and have asked Rebecca Root, a trans actor, to report for us.

1:10:44 > 1:10:47We brought you her full film earlier - here's a short extract before

1:10:47 > 1:10:49we have a conversation about this:

1:10:49 > 1:10:50I'm Rebecca Root.

1:10:50 > 1:10:54I'm an actor and a voice teacher and I'm also transgender.

1:10:54 > 1:10:57Since I transitioned in 2003, I've seen a big change in the way

1:10:57 > 1:11:00that British society now views and accepts the trans community,

1:11:00 > 1:11:05mostly for the better.

1:11:05 > 1:11:07But there's an increasing number of complex issues that

1:11:07 > 1:11:09are still needing to find answers.

1:11:09 > 1:11:13So how does society and politicians catch up?

1:11:13 > 1:11:20How do they find the solutions so that everybody's happy?

1:11:21 > 1:11:28If you look at the way that institutions are built in countries,

1:11:28 > 1:11:32they're built around that dichotomy, the binary between men and women.

1:11:32 > 1:11:35This is how we've been able to develop women's health care,

1:11:35 > 1:11:40right, or how, when we think about prisons, we've created women's

1:11:40 > 1:11:43prisons and men's prisons because of an assumption

1:11:43 > 1:11:46about the different needs and challenges

1:11:46 > 1:11:49that these two genders face.

1:11:49 > 1:11:53Some of the women raising concerns about these issues say that

1:11:53 > 1:11:55although they just want an open discussion about them,

1:11:55 > 1:11:56they are being silenced.

1:11:56 > 1:12:01Pilgrim Tucker is one of them.

1:12:01 > 1:12:06You say you want a debate, and there's no possible debate to be

1:12:06 > 1:12:12had but you are called trans-phobic for wanting that debate.

1:12:12 > 1:12:17A lot of people are saying there are very significant

1:12:17 > 1:12:23differences between trans-women and people who are born women.

1:12:23 > 1:12:26Both biological and on the basis of that biology, on the basis

1:12:26 > 1:12:30of their different anatomy, how they're treated in society

1:12:30 > 1:12:37and their experience of the world, that needs a lot of careful thought.

1:12:37 > 1:12:44So let's slow down and really talk about why women might feel cautious

1:12:44 > 1:12:47about having trans-women in their spaces.

1:12:47 > 1:12:52Places where they will feel vulnerable.

1:12:52 > 1:12:55I remember when I was transitioning, in an attempt to lose some weight

1:12:55 > 1:12:59and get myself into shape, I joined a gym.

1:12:59 > 1:13:07I know that I felt just as vulnerable in a female changing

1:13:10 > 1:13:13room so far as feeling the scrutiny of other women's eyes as I sort

1:13:13 > 1:13:15of walked in in my swimming costume.

1:13:15 > 1:13:18I always used the cubicles.

1:13:18 > 1:13:23I can see how passionate you are, and it seems that you're afraid,

1:13:23 > 1:13:25almost, of trans people or trans-women in...

1:13:25 > 1:13:26No, I'm not.

1:13:26 > 1:13:29I don't think there's anything I've said to make you believe

1:13:29 > 1:13:34that I'm afraid of trans people, at all.

1:13:34 > 1:13:36What we spoke about, was we spoke about the prevalence of male

1:13:36 > 1:13:38crimes towards women.

1:13:38 > 1:13:41Those that campaign for the transgender community,

1:13:41 > 1:13:44such as Paris Lees, argue that self ID-ing is the next

1:13:44 > 1:13:45step in acceptance.

1:13:45 > 1:13:48It's not a debate, and I find it really offensive that

1:13:48 > 1:13:50it's framed as a debate.

1:13:50 > 1:13:54Hatred and prejudice against trans people is not up for debate.

1:13:54 > 1:13:58There's going to be no such thing as a woman and anyone will be able

1:13:58 > 1:14:01to walk into a toilet and it's going to be the end of the world,

1:14:01 > 1:14:03and it's nonsense.

1:14:03 > 1:14:05All we're hearing about is all of people's imagined fears about how

1:14:05 > 1:14:09it's going to be the absolute end of the world if we make it easier

1:14:09 > 1:14:11for you and I to change our birth certificates.

1:14:11 > 1:14:14I think it's clear not only from the conversations I've had

1:14:14 > 1:14:16but also from my own experience that, although the trans community

1:14:16 > 1:14:19has come a long way in its fight for equality and recognition,

1:14:19 > 1:14:22there's still a distance to go.

1:14:22 > 1:14:25Rebecca Root is here along with Dr Clara Barker,

1:14:25 > 1:14:28a scientist at Oxford University and transgender campaigner,

1:14:28 > 1:14:31whose work has been praised by Theresa May.

1:14:31 > 1:14:33Also with us, two feminists who don't believe trans

1:14:33 > 1:14:34women should be allowed into women's-only spaces.

1:14:34 > 1:14:38Sarah Ditum is a journalist who writes for the New Statesman

1:14:38 > 1:14:42and the Guardian and has written about transgender issues.

1:14:42 > 1:14:45Dr Nicola Williams, spokesperson for Fair Play for Women,

1:14:45 > 1:14:46a women's rights organization.

1:14:46 > 1:14:49Let's cut to the chase -

1:14:53 > 1:15:00What is the worry about trans women coming into women's spaces like

1:15:00 > 1:15:04female changing rooms, ladies toilets and hospital wards?Just to

1:15:04 > 1:15:09clarify, what you said... We are not against trans-women coming into

1:15:09 > 1:15:13these spaces in all cases. It's just about in some instances, because

1:15:13 > 1:15:19there are differences between biological women...I have to pose

1:15:19 > 1:15:27you because I think your microphone might not be working.

1:15:29 > 1:15:32Biological women, there are differences between

1:15:32 > 1:15:33Biological women, there are differences between biological women

1:15:33 > 1:15:38and trans women so in instances where biological sex matters, for

1:15:38 > 1:15:43example in a women's refuge, that would be a case where the equality

1:15:43 > 1:15:47act, single sex exemption should be allowed to go forward and that

1:15:47 > 1:15:54should be biological women only. Issues like toilets are less

1:15:54 > 1:15:56important. And what is the worry, what is the

1:15:56 > 1:16:03concern?The concern is biological women are different to trans women

1:16:03 > 1:16:10and trans women have been born male and so women need to be reassured

1:16:10 > 1:16:20about that. Although we all think about transsexual people in

1:16:20 > 1:16:27operations but actually the majority of transgender people nowadays still

1:16:27 > 1:16:33retain the penis so these people are biologically still male.I'm going

1:16:33 > 1:16:39to ask Sarah because I still don't know what the worry is.The

1:16:39 > 1:16:43potential for exploitation. The idea within self-identity is you are man

1:16:43 > 1:16:48or woman because you say so and nobody has the right to question it.

1:16:48 > 1:16:52That is a real problem because it means there will be men who will

1:16:52 > 1:16:57exploit that, there will be men who are predatory, who will exploit that

1:16:57 > 1:17:03to gain access to spaces. We have already seen that in prisons. There

1:17:03 > 1:17:07are men who have moved into the female estate, and Paris Green is

1:17:07 > 1:17:13the name of one example, have to be moved out because of sexual

1:17:13 > 1:17:15predatory behaviour towards women and that is really troubling and we

1:17:15 > 1:17:20need to have a system that is stronger than self identification to

1:17:20 > 1:17:27protect women and trans women. Rebecca, do you understand that

1:17:27 > 1:17:32concern?Yes, but it's like you are tarring the whole community of trans

1:17:32 > 1:17:37women with the brush of one or two people who are bad people and in

1:17:37 > 1:17:43prison because they have committed crimes. It's like saying every

1:17:43 > 1:17:48priest is a bad person because one or two, maybe more, committed

1:17:48 > 1:17:55offences against young people for example. So you cannot paint

1:17:55 > 1:18:01everybody with the same brush.This is a risk to women and trans women.

1:18:01 > 1:18:07Male violence is the problem we are all facing. Violent men is an issue

1:18:07 > 1:18:12for all of us and we need a system that protects everyone of us around

1:18:12 > 1:18:16the table from that.We need to remember 90% at least of sexual

1:18:16 > 1:18:20assault are carried out by people that already know the survivor so

1:18:20 > 1:18:26I'm not sure how self identification will change that.Self

1:18:26 > 1:18:30identification means anyone can self identify as transgender so that is

1:18:30 > 1:18:35the issue. We are not scared of transgender people, we are being

1:18:35 > 1:18:42cautious of the fact that anyone, any man can self identify as a

1:18:42 > 1:18:48woman.If you are caught doing that, there is a criminal penalty, up to

1:18:48 > 1:18:53two years in prison.How do you prove someone is lying about their

1:18:53 > 1:18:57identity? If we move to a situation where self-identity is the rule, it

1:18:57 > 1:19:04is impossible to say is that someone you don't sincerely identify as bad.

1:19:04 > 1:19:08Is the proposal not that there will still be checks and balances so

1:19:08 > 1:19:13people who are self identifying still have to demonstrate a

1:19:13 > 1:19:19commitment? You are not going to say the lads that put a ballet tutu on

1:19:19 > 1:19:25and hop on a flight to Amsterdam for a stag weekend are then going to say

1:19:25 > 1:19:33I'm female, are they?They could say, they could. Can women actually

1:19:33 > 1:19:38say... Say a man walks into the toilets, in this environment now,

1:19:38 > 1:19:43our women feeling confident enough to say, excuse me, you are man, can

1:19:43 > 1:19:48you leave? Because if that man says he identifies as a woman, there is

1:19:48 > 1:19:55no other proof required.Answer that point. That very specific examples.

1:19:55 > 1:20:01This isn't a case of trans women and men walking into the bathroom, it is

1:20:01 > 1:20:06whether you look like a woman or a man, that is what you are policing.

1:20:06 > 1:20:10Some women walk into bathrooms who look and appear woman about and they

1:20:10 > 1:20:16are kicked out of those bathrooms. If we are going on biological sex,

1:20:16 > 1:20:23what about trans men going into female bathrooms, what then?We have

1:20:23 > 1:20:27every reason to be anxious about male violence. I'm saying trans men

1:20:27 > 1:20:34have every reason to be anxious about male violence because they may

1:20:34 > 1:20:39be assaulted. That happens because the major source of violence in our

1:20:39 > 1:20:46society is men.Has that happened? I'm 100% sure I could dig one out.

1:20:46 > 1:20:56Paris says in the film there is a link between this and conversations

1:20:56 > 1:21:02that used to go on around gay men using male changing rooms or gay

1:21:02 > 1:21:06people adopting or gay teachers and the suggestion there would be a

1:21:06 > 1:21:11danger to children. Why do you say this is different?Firstly because

1:21:11 > 1:21:22me and Nicola were anti-section 28, pro-equal marriage...It is about

1:21:22 > 1:21:27what Paris has called imagined fears.They are not imagining Paris

1:21:27 > 1:21:32Green in the prison, we are not imagining cases where men have

1:21:32 > 1:21:38maliciously gained access to female spaces.A really good real-life

1:21:38 > 1:21:43example, girl guides now allow boys who identify as girls to join the

1:21:43 > 1:21:49girl guides so that means that a child born male, clearly with a

1:21:49 > 1:21:58penis, would be allowed to sleep overnight with girls. And there is a

1:21:58 > 1:22:03safeguarding issue there.OK, that is not an imagined fear.You are

1:22:03 > 1:22:09doing the girl guides is service by assuming they won't be doing risk

1:22:09 > 1:22:16assessments. We risk assess everything.My question is, is that

1:22:16 > 1:22:28an imagined fear or a real fear that you understand?Erm... You're

1:22:28 > 1:22:33assuming the 11-year-old trans girl is a sexual predator.No, we are

1:22:33 > 1:22:39assuming there may be natal males, I don't know, I cannot adjudicate on

1:22:39 > 1:22:44someone's mental state but when I was a teenager natal males in my

1:22:44 > 1:22:52class exhibited disturbing behaviour.The issue is parents are

1:22:52 > 1:22:55not even allowed to be informed by the girl guides that this might

1:22:55 > 1:23:01happen so if a parent sends their daughter off camping, they wouldn't

1:23:01 > 1:23:06be informed there could be a natal mail boy, there could be a

1:23:06 > 1:23:1114-year-old boy in with their ten-year-old daughter in a tent and

1:23:11 > 1:23:20no one is allowed to know. How can there be informed consent there? All

1:23:20 > 1:23:23we are asking for is to think of all of the people involved because there

1:23:23 > 1:23:27is the trans child to be thought of but also the girls.Most of the

1:23:27 > 1:23:31messages we have had from our audience are to do with domestic

1:23:31 > 1:23:36refuges. Miranda says I feel strongly... Sorry, this is about a

1:23:36 > 1:23:40woman's short list having said that. On all women short list I feel

1:23:40 > 1:23:44strongly trans women should not be on short lists, I am not

1:23:44 > 1:23:48transphobic. I totally accept them in society but they are not women

1:23:48 > 1:23:54and never will be. A woman is a person who has a womb. Trans women

1:23:54 > 1:23:58would not be eligible to run as female candidates. I would have no

1:23:58 > 1:24:03problem with them running as trans candidates. What would you say to

1:24:03 > 1:24:10that, Rebecca?Does that mean

1:24:13 > 1:24:14that, Rebecca?Does that mean people who have had hysterectomies cannot

1:24:14 > 1:24:17stand on all women short lists?No, that is very different. Natal sex

1:24:17 > 1:24:21matters, being female matters. The reason we have women only short

1:24:21 > 1:24:25lists is because there are things that happen to women that make it

1:24:25 > 1:24:30harder to have careers in politics, there is sex discrimination.This is

1:24:30 > 1:24:35about refuges, if a trans woman needs a woman's refuge it is because

1:24:35 > 1:24:44she's a woman, not someone pretending to be. "I Have no problem

1:24:44 > 1:24:49with trans women, I can however understand some people might feel

1:24:49 > 1:24:52uncomfortable in changing rooms, particularly if the person has not

1:24:52 > 1:24:57yet undergone full reassignment surgery".

1:24:57 > 1:24:58Emma Kania is in Blackpool.

1:24:58 > 1:25:02She was in a domestic violence refuge last year for seven months.

1:25:02 > 1:25:11What is your own view?The refuge should be a safe space forward mean

1:25:11 > 1:25:18only. I wouldn't have felt safe there if there had been either self

1:25:18 > 1:25:25identifying women or transgender women there. Neither would have the

1:25:25 > 1:25:30people living with me.Can you give some insight about why you don't

1:25:30 > 1:25:37think you would have felt safe?I needed that women only space. They

1:25:37 > 1:25:42understood what I had been through. I needed to feel safe and I wouldn't

1:25:42 > 1:25:49have felt safe if there had been someone there with a penis.Clara,

1:25:49 > 1:25:55how do you react to that?It is a valid concern but this is all about

1:25:55 > 1:25:59whether you look male or female. The chances are trans women are not

1:25:59 > 1:26:03going to be flaunting their anatomy in front of you in a refuge or

1:26:03 > 1:26:11other.People can be perceived as male. People are very good at doing

1:26:11 > 1:26:18that, being able to spot...

1:26:18 > 1:26:25that, being able to spot...It does matter, do you look male or female

1:26:25 > 1:26:30because how people are treated depends so much on that.Let's say a

1:26:30 > 1:26:37trans woman was in the refuge that you were in and they looked like

1:26:37 > 1:26:42you, but they had a penis, you knew that, would you have felt unsafe?

1:26:42 > 1:26:47Yes, just because I don't trust any men at the moment so it would have

1:26:47 > 1:26:56made me feel on safe. To me, a true woman has menstrual cycles, you

1:26:56 > 1:27:01know, it's different. They are not male, they are not female, they are

1:27:01 > 1:27:05transgender.Why don't you talk to Emma and tell her why that's

1:27:05 > 1:27:12offensive for you to hear that?My mother doesn't have a menstrual

1:27:12 > 1:27:19cycle but she is a natal female.She did do in the past.But you are

1:27:19 > 1:27:24talking about the current time. Do you know what hormone therapy dust

1:27:24 > 1:27:30of the libido of a natal male?We don't know they are on oestrogen

1:27:30 > 1:27:35therapy because it is self-identity. No medical treatment is necessary,

1:27:35 > 1:27:39simply identifying yourself as female is all that would be required

1:27:39 > 1:27:45to come into the women's refuge.I want to ask Clara and Rebecca,

1:27:45 > 1:27:49legitimate questions raised by Emma would you say for example, and often

1:27:49 > 1:27:55the worry is that if a person raises what might be considered to be a

1:27:55 > 1:28:00reasonable or legitimate concern, they are immediately described as

1:28:00 > 1:28:04transphobic. Do you agree that happens, and what can we do about

1:28:04 > 1:28:11it?It can happen but it is a two way street. Any arguments made by

1:28:11 > 1:28:15trans people are shut down and if there was an equivalent word it

1:28:15 > 1:28:19would be used towards trans women. It is so important we have

1:28:19 > 1:28:23conversations like this and it can be an enormously febrile discussion

1:28:23 > 1:28:27and that is of no benefit to any of us because the constant theme we

1:28:27 > 1:28:32have been coming back to is the issue we are contending with is male

1:28:32 > 1:28:38violence. In terms of women's refuges, women's movements did

1:28:38 > 1:28:43extraordinary work in the 1980s establishing them. It is all there

1:28:43 > 1:28:47for trans women to learn from in terms of establishing your own

1:28:47 > 1:28:51specialist services. There are things trans women experience that I

1:28:51 > 1:28:57will never experience.I don't think anybody in the trans community is

1:28:57 > 1:29:00saying there shouldn't be spaces that protect vulnerable people of

1:29:00 > 1:29:07whatever gender they are. I think if the situation were to arise where

1:29:07 > 1:29:11somebody felt threatened, I'm sure the people who operated that place

1:29:11 > 1:29:16would investigate and say this person has, until yesterday, been

1:29:16 > 1:29:22sporting a big bushy beard and rocking up as Jack.I will also say

1:29:22 > 1:29:27that I have talked to a few people that run rape crisis centres and

1:29:27 > 1:29:32they do, they want to help everyone. You are saying we should have trans

1:29:32 > 1:29:37specific services but they are also under capacity for the services they

1:29:37 > 1:29:41provide to a single gender.It is an under resourced sector so the

1:29:41 > 1:29:46pressure to provide gender neutral services is even worse.Sorry to

1:29:46 > 1:29:55interrupt, a final question - do you think there are people who are

1:29:55 > 1:30:00transphobic who are exploiting ignorance in order to whip up fears?

1:30:00 > 1:30:04I think there are definitely people who are transphobic and who wouldn't

1:30:04 > 1:30:07want to have the kind of conversation we've had here, who

1:30:07 > 1:30:12wouldn't want to acknowledge the risk and danger you face as trans

1:30:12 > 1:30:17women and I want no part of them. I don't think that hatred has any

1:30:17 > 1:30:21place, I really think we should be working together to address how do

1:30:21 > 1:30:26we all address male violence in a way that approaches a specific

1:30:26 > 1:30:32situations?It's about balancing rights. Transgender people need to

1:30:32 > 1:30:35be free of discrimination, women, females do, all of the different

1:30:35 > 1:30:40categories need to be balanced and it needs to be fair so we are just

1:30:40 > 1:30:44asking because I think women's voices have been silenced really up

1:30:44 > 1:30:50until now so we are just asking to be able to be heard. Not to be told

1:30:50 > 1:30:54that we are transphobic because this is a great environment today. This

1:30:54 > 1:31:02is unusual to have two women and two trans women here so this is a great

1:31:02 > 1:31:06start. We can start talking because nobody wants to take rights away

1:31:06 > 1:31:11from anybody.

1:31:11 > 1:31:16And the Nicola articulated that, she said women and trans women. Is that

1:31:16 > 1:31:22OK?Yes, speaking personally I'm not going to nit-pick over the labels we

1:31:22 > 1:31:26assign people. I am happy to be called a trans-woman, I am equally

1:31:26 > 1:31:31happy to be called a woman. But some trans women would take great

1:31:31 > 1:31:35exception. What I welcome about this conversation and the opportunity to

1:31:35 > 1:31:40make the film is that I had some very considered conversations with

1:31:40 > 1:31:45people from both sides of the fence, if you like. That's what I welcome

1:31:45 > 1:31:52in this forum, this conversation, is that it was nuanced and considered

1:31:52 > 1:31:58and respectful. It's on social media where people get hot under the

1:31:58 > 1:32:07collar, that's when you think, let's just talk.It's people like us that

1:32:07 > 1:32:11who want to be reasonable and share rights. That's what we're asking

1:32:11 > 1:32:22for.Thank you very much for coming on the programme, we appreciate it.

1:32:22 > 1:32:25We have some breaking news, but my tablet is not working, so I will

1:32:25 > 1:32:28tell you that Theresa May is due to give a speech at any moment now

1:32:28 > 1:32:31setting out the government's new policy on house-building in England

1:32:31 > 1:32:37and we will bring that to you live.

1:32:37 > 1:32:41But first - people in many parts of the UK are without water after pipes

1:32:41 > 1:32:42burst following last week's freeze.

1:32:42 > 1:32:45Millions of people in London and the south-east have been told

1:32:45 > 1:32:47not to use water for anything that isn't essential.

1:32:47 > 1:32:49Let's speak now to Geoff Marshall who lives

1:32:49 > 1:32:52in Streatham in South London and has had no water since yesterday

1:32:52 > 1:32:54and Sara Anderson, the landlady of the Old Vine Pub in Wadhurst

1:32:54 > 1:33:00in Kent where they have had no water since Saturday morning.

1:33:00 > 1:33:06Thank you both very much. How is it going, the pub landlady.It's very

1:33:06 > 1:33:14depressing, still no water.How are you coping?We are closed today, but

1:33:14 > 1:33:18it has been disastrous over the weekend.Have you had much

1:33:18 > 1:33:23communication from your water company?No, not really. The odd

1:33:23 > 1:33:33text. Communication has been very poor.What about you,

1:33:33 > 1:33:37poor.What about you, Geoff.We had a small amount of water comeback at

1:33:37 > 1:33:41about 9am, but it's very low pressure and it's not enough to

1:33:41 > 1:33:45shower, which is why my hair looks like this! But they don't seem to

1:33:45 > 1:33:49communicate what's going on at Thames Water. It took them until

1:33:49 > 1:33:53about midnight last night to recognise the postcode was affected

1:33:53 > 1:33:56and there is very little information coming from them as to when a fix

1:33:56 > 1:34:06might occur.What's been the worst bit for you?I went out and bought a

1:34:06 > 1:34:10lot of bottled water today but I can't shower. My girlfriend is at

1:34:10 > 1:34:15home today and she can't use the bathroom. You can't wash. We can do

1:34:15 > 1:34:21number ones but not a number twos! We will cause you, because he is

1:34:21 > 1:34:25Theresa May and her latest speech on housing.About my desire to make

1:34:25 > 1:34:28this a country that works for everyone. A country that regardless

1:34:28 > 1:34:33of where you live, your race, religion, what your parents do for a

1:34:33 > 1:34:38living, you have a fair chance to get on and build a life for yourself

1:34:38 > 1:34:42and family. It's a philosophy that shapes everything this government

1:34:42 > 1:34:47does. Over the past 18 months we have done much to help turn vision

1:34:47 > 1:34:51into reality. We are reforming schools, colleges and universities

1:34:51 > 1:34:54so that all children and young people get the education that's

1:34:54 > 1:34:59right for them. We are addressing failures in the justice system,

1:34:59 > 1:35:06making it more transparent so that racial disparities can be at a

1:35:06 > 1:35:08divide and ironed out. We are raising the national living wage,

1:35:08 > 1:35:10increasing income tax personal allowance and capping energy bills

1:35:10 > 1:35:13so people are able to keep more of the money they have worked so hard

1:35:13 > 1:35:19to earn. And as I said at Mansion house on Friday, we are negotiating

1:35:19 > 1:35:23a Brexit deal that works for the whole of the UK so nobody feels they

1:35:23 > 1:35:30have been left behind. It's all about making this country a fairer

1:35:30 > 1:35:34place for all. Breathing fresh life into the British dream that every

1:35:34 > 1:35:39generation has a better future than the last. But we cannot fulfil that

1:35:39 > 1:35:43dream, we cannot bring about the kind of society I want to see,

1:35:43 > 1:35:47unless we tackle one of the biggest barriers to social mobility we face

1:35:47 > 1:35:52today, the National housing crisis. The causes and manifestations vary

1:35:52 > 1:35:58from place to place. But the impact is all too clear. In much of the

1:35:58 > 1:36:01country, housing is so unaffordable that millions of people who would

1:36:01 > 1:36:06reasonably expect to buy their own home, are unable to do so. Others

1:36:06 > 1:36:11are struggling even to find somewhere to rent. The root cause of

1:36:11 > 1:36:16this crisis is simple. For decades, this country has failed to build

1:36:16 > 1:36:21enough of the right homes in the right places. It's a problem that

1:36:21 > 1:36:25has played successive governments of all colours since post-war

1:36:25 > 1:36:30house-building peeked under the first Wilson administration. But it

1:36:30 > 1:36:39was from the mid-19 90s that the failure to match demand with supply.

1:36:39 > 1:36:44In 1997, the average home cost 3.5 times the average wage. By 2010,

1:36:44 > 1:36:50that ratio had more than doubled. Higher prices brought with them

1:36:50 > 1:36:53higher rents, so prospective first-time buyers found themselves

1:36:53 > 1:36:57able to save less and less, even as the size of the deposit they needed

1:36:57 > 1:37:02grew and grew. The result is a vicious circle, from which most

1:37:02 > 1:37:07people can only escape with help from the bank of mum and dad. If you

1:37:07 > 1:37:11are not lucky enough to have such support, the door to home ownership

1:37:11 > 1:37:16is all too often locked and barred. Talking to voters during last year's

1:37:16 > 1:37:20election campaign, it was clear that many people, particularly younger

1:37:20 > 1:37:25people, are angry about this. Angry that regardless about how hard they

1:37:25 > 1:37:29work, they will not be able to buy a place of their own. Angry when they

1:37:29 > 1:37:33are forced to hand over more of their wages to landlords to whom

1:37:33 > 1:37:38their home is simply a business asset. Angry that no matter how many

1:37:38 > 1:37:42sacrifices they make to save for a deposit, they will never be able to

1:37:42 > 1:37:46compete with someone whose parents have released equity from their own

1:37:46 > 1:37:52home to help their children by. They are right to be angry. Income

1:37:52 > 1:37:57inequality is down since 2010, thanks in part to increases in the

1:37:57 > 1:38:01personal allowance and the national living wage, but wealth inequality

1:38:01 > 1:38:08continues to rise. And as figures such as Matthew Ron Darby argue, it

1:38:08 > 1:38:16is wealth unearned and offering huge returns that lies at the heart of

1:38:16 > 1:38:23the disparity. But the crisis goes beyond the simple division between

1:38:23 > 1:38:30housing haves and have-nots. The crisis of affordability also creates

1:38:30 > 1:38:33crisis of almost little social mobility. Think of the skilled

1:38:33 > 1:38:36experienced worker who is offered a promotion but cannot afford to take

1:38:36 > 1:38:40it up because it would mean moving to a town or city where he can't

1:38:40 > 1:38:45afford to live. Think of the talented young woman from a

1:38:45 > 1:38:48working-class background who cannot afford to take an entry-level

1:38:48 > 1:38:51professional job because she wouldn't be able to live nearby.

1:38:51 > 1:38:59It's not so hard to accept that door opening internship in London if your

1:38:59 > 1:39:02parents on a large house in central London. It's a much greater

1:39:02 > 1:39:06challenge if you share a room with your siblings in a North Wales

1:39:06 > 1:39:10Terrace. So the shortage of housing in this country reinforces

1:39:10 > 1:39:15inequality. It prevents social mobility and stops people fulfilling

1:39:15 > 1:39:19their potential. It creates and exacerbates divisions between

1:39:19 > 1:39:24generations and between those who own property and those who do not.

1:39:24 > 1:39:30And it undermines something more, something less tangible but just as

1:39:30 > 1:39:33important, the sense of community, of belonging. Of responsibility that

1:39:33 > 1:39:39comes with owning your own home, or having an affordable, secure,

1:39:39 > 1:39:43long-term tenancy. I still vividly remember the first home I shared

1:39:43 > 1:39:48with my husband, Philip. Not only our actors on the walls and books on

1:39:48 > 1:39:51the shelves, but also the security that came from knowing we couldn't

1:39:51 > 1:39:55be asked to move on at short notice. And because we had that security,

1:39:55 > 1:40:00because we had a place to go back to, it was that much easier to play

1:40:00 > 1:40:04an active role in our community. To share in the common purpose of a

1:40:04 > 1:40:10free society. And that is what this country should be about. Not just

1:40:10 > 1:40:13having a roof over your head, but having a stake in your community and

1:40:13 > 1:40:19its future. All that is put at risk by the mismatch between housing

1:40:19 > 1:40:26supply and housing demand. And the soaring prices that have resulted.

1:40:26 > 1:40:30This government is already taking action to help hard-pressed buyers.

1:40:30 > 1:40:36We are putting in extra £10 billion into help to buy, giving another

1:40:36 > 1:40:40135,000 families a step up the property ladder. We are scrapping

1:40:40 > 1:40:44stamp duty for 80% of first-time buyers and looking at ways to make

1:40:44 > 1:40:48the whole process of buying and selling homes quicker, easier and

1:40:48 > 1:40:54cheaper. But to stop the seemingly endless rise in house prices, we

1:40:54 > 1:40:59simply have to build more homes. Especially in the places where an

1:40:59 > 1:41:06affordability is greatest. -- where the lack of affordability is

1:41:06 > 1:41:08greatest to stop doing so requires action on many fronts and at the

1:41:08 > 1:41:12heart of the matter is the planning process. Planning professionals

1:41:12 > 1:41:16might not be as visible as the bricklayers, carpenters and roofers,

1:41:16 > 1:41:20but we cannot build the homes we need without them. Because if there

1:41:20 > 1:41:24is one thing I learned from my time on Merton Council, its that good

1:41:24 > 1:41:28planning is all about detail. It's very easy for a politician to stand

1:41:28 > 1:41:31up and say he or she will build however many homes in however many

1:41:31 > 1:41:38years. But it's an empty promise if they don't also address the smaller

1:41:38 > 1:41:43issues that underpin it. Where in the country will they be built? In

1:41:43 > 1:41:46what communities, what sites, what kind of homes will they be and what

1:41:46 > 1:41:50infrastructure will be needed to support them? Will the plans be

1:41:50 > 1:41:54imposed from above or will local people have a say in what happens in

1:41:54 > 1:41:57their area? These are the kind of questions that need to be answered

1:41:57 > 1:42:02by anyone who is serious about getting homes built. They are the

1:42:02 > 1:42:05kind of questions asked every day by planning professionals. And they are

1:42:05 > 1:42:10the kind of questions this government is answering with the new

1:42:10 > 1:42:18fairer more effective planning rules we are launching today. When using

1:42:18 > 1:42:24correctly, as was the case for many years, -- when used incorrectly, as

1:42:24 > 1:42:30was a case for many years, it can block up the system. But in the

1:42:30 > 1:42:34right hands it can help regulate, shape and drive the construction of

1:42:34 > 1:42:37homes in this country. This government is rewriting the rules on

1:42:37 > 1:42:41planning with a major overhaul being published today. We are giving

1:42:41 > 1:42:44councils and developers the backing they need to get more homes built

1:42:44 > 1:42:49more quickly. More homes at prices that are affordable for first-time

1:42:49 > 1:42:55buyers. More homes for NHS staff, teachers, firefighters and other key

1:42:55 > 1:43:00workers on whom all communities depend. More homes for rent on

1:43:00 > 1:43:03family friendly, three-year tenancies. We are streamlining the

1:43:03 > 1:43:07planning process so much-needed homes are not held up by endless

1:43:07 > 1:43:11appeals and bureaucracy. We are making it easier for neglected and

1:43:11 > 1:43:15abandoned commercial sites to be turned into housing. And we are

1:43:15 > 1:43:19making sure councils do all they can to find sites, granted planning

1:43:19 > 1:43:24permissions and build homes. That includes creating a nationwide

1:43:24 > 1:43:28standard that shows how many homes authorities need to plan for in

1:43:28 > 1:43:32their area, making the system fairer and more transparent. Our new rules

1:43:32 > 1:43:37will see to it that is the right infrastructure is in place to

1:43:37 > 1:43:41support such developments. When people propose large scale the

1:43:41 > 1:43:43relevant in their area, it's often because they are worried their

1:43:43 > 1:43:48village or town will not be able to bear the weight of hundreds of new

1:43:48 > 1:43:51arrivals. Their schools are already full and roads already congested.

1:43:51 > 1:43:56The waiting list at their GP is already too long. They want to know

1:43:56 > 1:43:59that any new homes will be accompanied by appropriate new

1:43:59 > 1:44:04facilities and infrastructure. And under our new planning rules, that

1:44:04 > 1:44:09is exactly what will happen. Local communities will be put at the heart

1:44:09 > 1:44:12of the planning process, by seeing to it that all areas have an

1:44:12 > 1:44:17up-to-date plan. Yet we must not lose sight of the fact that planning

1:44:17 > 1:44:23for the homes we need is not the same as building the homes we need.

1:44:23 > 1:44:27After all, families can't live in a planning permission. A well-designed

1:44:27 > 1:44:32local plan will not keep your children safe and warm at night. The

1:44:32 > 1:44:37reforms driven forward under our last Prime Minister led to a great

1:44:37 > 1:44:40and welcome increase in the number of planning permission is granted,

1:44:40 > 1:44:43but we did not see a corresponding rise in the number of homes being

1:44:43 > 1:44:49built. All of that is changing. The secretary of State for housing,

1:44:49 > 1:44:52Sajid Javid, along with his ministerial team and their

1:44:52 > 1:44:55officials, are doing incredible work in tackling failings at every level

1:44:55 > 1:45:00of the housing sector. I have taken personal charge of meeting the

1:45:00 > 1:45:03housing challenge, leading a task force that brings together ministers

1:45:03 > 1:45:15and officials from every corner of the answer, all the evidence shows

1:45:15 > 1:45:19that just reforming planning and expecting the developers to build

1:45:19 > 1:45:23the homes we need is pie in the sky. Of course they have a clear and

1:45:23 > 1:45:26vital role to play, but the government must also step in if

1:45:26 > 1:45:32homes are going to get built.

1:45:32 > 1:45:36We are committing at least £44 billion of funding to support the

1:45:36 > 1:45:41housing market. We have changed the rules so authorities facing the

1:45:41 > 1:45:44greatest affordability pressures can access the finance they need to

1:45:44 > 1:45:48build more council homes for local people. We have given homes England

1:45:48 > 1:45:53a more muscular proactive role in site Assembly, bringing together

1:45:53 > 1:45:57patches of land to create a coherent site suitable for development. We

1:45:57 > 1:46:02are investigating innovative, modern construction methods that get more

1:46:02 > 1:46:07homes build more quickly. The £5 billion housing infrastructure fund

1:46:07 > 1:46:14has already made its first awards, investing almost £900 million in the

1:46:14 > 1:46:18roads, cycle parts, flood defences and other essential works that will

1:46:18 > 1:46:21allow for the construction of up to 200,000 homes that would otherwise

1:46:21 > 1:46:30not get built. And we have put an additional £1.5 billion into the

1:46:30 > 1:46:34home-building fund, helping smaller developers build homes that don't

1:46:34 > 1:46:39attract finance from the private sector. As one builder put it, after

1:46:39 > 1:46:42finishing a development in Derbyshire, the banks were very

1:46:42 > 1:46:48sceptical and unhelpful.Let's pause and get an immediate reaction to

1:46:48 > 1:46:53some of the things Theresa May has been saying. Naomi Willis is here,

1:46:53 > 1:47:01her family has lived in nine rented houses in nine years.

1:47:02 > 1:47:04We can also speak to Kevin Hollinrake -

1:47:04 > 1:47:12Conservative MP for Thirsk and Malton and member of the Housing

1:47:12 > 1:47:17Select Committee, and to Tom Shaw - Labour member of Luton Council.

1:47:17 > 1:47:19Luton is one of the fastest growing cities in England

1:47:19 > 1:47:22but has been accused of being slow to build houses for

1:47:22 > 1:47:24the growing population.

1:47:24 > 1:47:27Kevin, we need 300,000 homes builty each year to fix

1:47:27 > 1:47:31the housing crisis - how does this latest plan do that?

1:47:31 > 1:47:36There is a 50% increase in the number of new home completions since

1:47:36 > 1:47:43the recession but we need to build a lot more, we need 217,000 new homes

1:47:43 > 1:47:49last year -- we built.Since 2010 you have never reached the 300,000

1:47:49 > 1:47:55figure in any year.The last time we reached that figure was 1972 so

1:47:55 > 1:47:58there's an awful lot of work to do and buses to get right and that's

1:47:58 > 1:48:05what the Prime Minister was outlining. Many local authorities to

1:48:05 > 1:48:11put effective plans in place. We need developers to build more homes

1:48:11 > 1:48:16and deallocate sites where developers don't develop and we need

1:48:16 > 1:48:23more small builders, and more land to be released, public sector land

1:48:23 > 1:48:26and private sector land, and we need to have a decision about the price

1:48:26 > 1:48:31we are paying for that land to make sure homes are more affordable.They

1:48:31 > 1:48:36are all just words, with respect. This there has been a 100% increase

1:48:36 > 1:48:43in the number of new home starts... In this speech, I'm talking about.

1:48:43 > 1:48:48But her policies are absolutely right. York has not had a local plan

1:48:48 > 1:48:51for over 50 years which puts more pressure on neighbouring local

1:48:51 > 1:48:56authorities. Their numbers in their plan are around 300 short of the

1:48:56 > 1:49:00objectively assessed number of homes required every year in York. Some

1:49:00 > 1:49:09local authorities are gaming the system because it can be politically

1:49:09 > 1:49:17difficult to build new homes. There are 3 million people in this country

1:49:17 > 1:49:21living in poverty as a result of the house prices. We need to tackle this

1:49:21 > 1:49:26issue now.This Naomi Willis, you would agree. Have you heard anything

1:49:26 > 1:49:36from Mrs May that makes you think this will make a difference?The

1:49:36 > 1:49:43problem is will the property actually be affordable? Is you are

1:49:43 > 1:49:49having five times the level of salary to get a mortgage. By normal

1:49:49 > 1:49:56people's standards that is not. Are these going to go out to first time

1:49:56 > 1:50:01buyers or our landlord is going to come in and buy the properties. The

1:50:01 > 1:50:05town over from us had a new development go in and soon as they

1:50:05 > 1:50:16were built, it was to let across all of the properties.That's a good

1:50:16 > 1:50:20point, how would your government stop that from happening?Absolutely

1:50:20 > 1:50:25right, and the Government set aside £9 billion for affordable housing.

1:50:25 > 1:50:30Affordable housing is 80% of market value and quite right, to a lot of

1:50:30 > 1:50:33people that is still unaffordable. Housing benefit helps but we also

1:50:33 > 1:50:39need more socially rented homes which are around 40-50% of market

1:50:39 > 1:50:43value. That is part of government policy but essentially it's about

1:50:43 > 1:50:49supply of more homes.Councils are not doing enough, that's the bottom

1:50:49 > 1:50:56line, isn't it?No, it's not. The Government needs to give the council

1:50:56 > 1:51:03's the freedom to borrow what they need. You have a false restriction

1:51:03 > 1:51:10on the housing revenue account.So let councils borrow more?Yes, and

1:51:10 > 1:51:20let them get on with the job.And I would agree with that.Why weren't

1:51:20 > 1:51:25the Prime Minister let them?The housing minister is that what they

1:51:25 > 1:51:31will let them do, in

1:51:31 > 1:51:37will let them do, in areas... They will be allowed to borrow more.I'm

1:51:37 > 1:51:45going to leave it there, thank you to all of you for your time. Thank

1:51:45 > 1:51:51you for your messages on trans women and their rights. Paula says, I am a

1:51:51 > 1:51:56warm with a transgender past, I was never a proper man. Even when I was

1:51:56 > 1:52:00a soldier fighting for my country. It was a constant source of regret

1:52:00 > 1:52:06that I was not born as a girl and it wasn't until 2005 I was able to

1:52:06 > 1:52:09commence transition. I took seven years of hormonal treatments,

1:52:09 > 1:52:13therapeutic support and walking the walk before I had corrective

1:52:13 > 1:52:25surgery. I now have a gender

1:52:28 > 1:52:30recognition certificates and I'm accepted by my female friends and

1:52:30 > 1:52:33work colleagues. I would ask, who is more female? Who, through the

1:52:33 > 1:52:35accident of birth, was born female, or I?

1:52:35 > 1:52:42This is from geek, I am a transgender woman, my solution is

1:52:42 > 1:52:47simple, I only use non-gendered toilets. E-mail from Tracy, these

1:52:47 > 1:52:55people are judging people on their genitals. How do they know what

1:52:55 > 1:52:59genitals anyone has unless they swan around naked? Thanks for getting in

1:52:59 > 1:53:03touch.

1:53:09 > 1:53:12"America has failed our kids," the words of a mother whose children

1:53:12 > 1:53:14have been caught up in both the Columbine and Florida

1:53:14 > 1:53:15school shootings.

1:53:15 > 1:53:2012 students and one teacher were killed in Colombine and 12

1:53:20 > 1:53:23students and five adults were killed in Florida.

1:53:23 > 1:53:25Celia Randolph's children attended both schools at the time

1:53:25 > 1:53:33of the shooting and on each ocassion she recieved the call that every

1:53:37 > 1:53:39American parent dreads, saying that a shooting was under way.

1:53:39 > 1:53:42Now she's using those tragedies to speak out on gun

1:53:42 > 1:53:45control in the states.

1:53:45 > 1:53:47We can speak to her now alongside her 16-year-old son

1:53:47 > 1:53:49Christian, who is a junior at Marjory Stoneman Douglas

1:53:49 > 1:53:54High School in Parkland.

1:53:54 > 1:54:03And her daughter Chelsea, who is 26 and was caught up in Columbine.Good

1:54:03 > 1:54:09morning.Thank you for talking to us. I want to ask you as a mother

1:54:09 > 1:54:15about getting a call, about getting a text to say there is shooting

1:54:15 > 1:54:23under at your child's school.This before we go there, I do need to

1:54:23 > 1:54:28correct the information you just provided. My daughter Chelsea did

1:54:28 > 1:54:35not attend Columbine, Columbine was about an hour away from where we

1:54:35 > 1:54:38lived, and she attended different high school which had a of a

1:54:38 > 1:54:49different nature.I apologise, Celia.

1:54:49 > 1:54:54Celia.As far as getting a call and a text both times, the call came

1:54:54 > 1:55:01from our older daughter Natasha. Prior to getting that call from

1:55:01 > 1:55:05Natasha, this time for Christian I got a text from a friend of mine

1:55:05 > 1:55:14whose daughter had been in school with Chelsea, and she knew now that

1:55:14 > 1:55:21we lived here and that Christian attended the school. I got a text

1:55:21 > 1:55:26from her asking me in general where he was, then immediately got the

1:55:26 > 1:55:30call from Natasha telling me about the shooting and both times it was

1:55:30 > 1:55:37heart stopping.You began to text Christian of course, like any parent

1:55:37 > 1:55:41would in that scenario.Actually I ran to my car and started driving

1:55:41 > 1:55:49over there, and didn't actually think to text, to be honest, until I

1:55:49 > 1:55:54got closer because I knew I needed to be there. It is. Texting him as

1:55:54 > 1:56:00soon as it was safe, at stoplights, and there was no answer and I kept

1:56:00 > 1:56:06texting and texting. That was really, really scary because the

1:56:06 > 1:56:13kids of course answer back immediately.Christian, I gather you

1:56:13 > 1:56:20went back to school for the first time on Wednesday. How are you?I

1:56:20 > 1:56:28think we are all still processing, me and the other kids, but we are

1:56:28 > 1:56:32trying to salvage something out of this, make a change of lethal

1:56:32 > 1:56:39doesn't happen again.Chelsea, what is your view on the gun-control

1:56:39 > 1:56:44legislation in the States and what has to change now?I think it's

1:56:44 > 1:56:49important we all use our voices and that we make a stand to make sure

1:56:49 > 1:56:56the military style weapons get the end, that there are harsher

1:56:56 > 1:57:04background checks and they are more comprehensive. We believe that

1:57:04 > 1:57:1218-year-olds should not be able to obtain military style weapons.

1:57:12 > 1:57:19Jason, do you think this really is a tipping point?I believe so. These

1:57:19 > 1:57:23shootings are affecting so many people that it's got to a point that

1:57:23 > 1:57:28everyone is getting together, whether you are Republican or

1:57:28 > 1:57:33Democrat we are coming together as parents, right? And we are trying to

1:57:33 > 1:57:38address this issue so it is a tipping point I believe.Celia, what

1:57:38 > 1:57:46do you believe your mission is now? I have been thrown into this. When

1:57:46 > 1:57:52it happened to Chelsea, that was in 2006, we looked at it as a random

1:57:52 > 1:57:58act of violence in our community. This is a tipping point for all of

1:57:58 > 1:58:03us and moving forward I cannot be silent any more. So I want to

1:58:03 > 1:58:11advocate more for reasonable gun-control and restriction and

1:58:11 > 1:58:22safety in our schools and also address the mental health issues.

1:58:23 > 1:58:28Thank you, and I apologise for my error again, but thank you for your

1:58:28 > 1:58:30time. Thanks for your company