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0:00:06 > 0:00:08Hello, it's Thursday, it's 9am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

0:00:08 > 0:00:16Welcome to the programme.

0:00:16 > 0:00:17Our top story...

0:00:17 > 0:00:20The mystery substance that left a former Russian spy critically ill

0:00:20 > 0:00:21is finally identified.

0:00:21 > 0:00:23It was a nerve agent that put Sergei Skripal,

0:00:23 > 0:00:25his daughter, Yulia, and a police officer in hospital.

0:00:25 > 0:00:32They are fighting for their lives.

0:00:32 > 0:00:35We're talking to a man who is considered Vladimir Putin's

0:00:35 > 0:00:37number one enemy - who says he has to take steps

0:00:37 > 0:00:38to protect his own life.

0:00:38 > 0:00:43I do not spend my life living in fear but I have to take great

0:00:43 > 0:00:49precautions so they do not kill me. You say that so matter-of-factly,

0:00:49 > 0:00:56wow.I have been living with it for years.

0:00:56 > 0:00:58All you single women, does this man look like

0:00:58 > 0:01:00an eligible bachelor to you?

0:01:00 > 0:01:02He's got a great online profile, but he's not only

0:01:02 > 0:01:03married, he's also gay.

0:01:03 > 0:01:05And his identity has been stolen by scammers,

0:01:05 > 0:01:07who lure women in and then ask them for money.

0:01:07 > 0:01:12We'll be talking to the real Steve Bustin in a few minutes.

0:01:12 > 0:01:15And we've got exclusive figures on a rise in the number of women

0:01:15 > 0:01:18from Northern Ireland travelling to England for an abortion

0:01:18 > 0:01:23since the Government announced they would no longer have to pay.

0:01:23 > 0:01:26But campaigners say more needs to be done to help women from the country

0:01:26 > 0:01:34who want a termination.

0:01:37 > 0:01:38Hello, welcome to the programme.

0:01:38 > 0:01:44We're live until 11 this morning.

0:01:44 > 0:01:48As we are each weekday. After 10am, we will talk about new proposals

0:01:48 > 0:01:53from the Home Secretary, amber Rudd, which she and the Prime Minister

0:01:53 > 0:01:59publishing today to tackle domestic abuse in the future. Some of the new

0:01:59 > 0:02:03areas consulted on include tagging suspects or banning them from

0:02:03 > 0:02:08drinking. And also recognising in the definition of domestic abuse

0:02:08 > 0:02:18that it can be economic abuse, as well as physical and psychological.

0:02:19 > 0:02:25If you have experienced domestic abuse or you are a perpetrator, we

0:02:25 > 0:02:37would like to hear from you. Do get in touch. You can e-mail us, message

0:02:37 > 0:02:43us on Facebook or Twitter.

0:02:43 > 0:02:44Our top story today...

0:02:44 > 0:02:46The Home Secretary, Amber Rudd, is due

0:02:46 > 0:02:49to make a statement this morning in the House of Commons

0:02:49 > 0:02:52about the nerve agent used in the attempted murder of a former

0:02:52 > 0:02:53Russian spy and his daughter.

0:02:53 > 0:02:55While police have now identified the type of chemical,

0:02:55 > 0:02:58it's not yet known where it was made or who could have

0:02:58 > 0:02:59carried out the attack.

0:02:59 > 0:03:00Tom Burridge has more.

0:03:00 > 0:03:02This was Sergei Skripal last month at a corner shop.

0:03:02 > 0:03:10Now police believe someone tried to kill the former spy

0:03:10 > 0:03:12and his daughter with a nerve agent.

0:03:12 > 0:03:14It happened here in the small cathedral city of Salisbury.

0:03:14 > 0:03:17A police officer who attended to the pair now also in a serious

0:03:17 > 0:03:19condition in hospital.

0:03:19 > 0:03:22What nerve agent was used is the question experts

0:03:22 > 0:03:30at this military research centre are trying to answer.

0:03:30 > 0:03:33Nerve agents essentially cripple the nervous system of the body

0:03:33 > 0:03:34and are not easy to manufacture.

0:03:34 > 0:03:37Nerve agents require a non-insignificant financial,

0:03:37 > 0:03:41logistical and technical back-up to actually be manufactured.

0:03:41 > 0:03:43And so that would lead to more likelihood

0:03:43 > 0:03:47of a state manufacturing it.

0:03:47 > 0:03:53Life in Salisbury right now is anything but normal,

0:03:53 > 0:03:56this is the restaurant where Mr Skripal and his daughter

0:03:56 > 0:03:57had lunch hours before they fell ill.

0:03:57 > 0:04:00A blond woman and a man could be of interest,

0:04:00 > 0:04:07seen in this CCTV footage from near the crime scene.

0:04:07 > 0:04:08His daughter apparently had dark hair, like in this photo.

0:04:08 > 0:04:10They are both in a critical condition in hospital.

0:04:10 > 0:04:16Tom Burridge, BBC News.

0:04:16 > 0:04:21Ahead of her statement in the Commons, Amber Rudd, Home Secretary,

0:04:21 > 0:04:27had this to say this morning in an interview with BBC Breakfast.

0:04:27 > 0:04:30This was a very serious incident which is why we've got the police

0:04:30 > 0:04:32down there in full force conducting the investigation.

0:04:32 > 0:04:35Which is why we're giving all the support we can,

0:04:35 > 0:04:37the medical support necessary, to the people who've been affected.

0:04:37 > 0:04:39Of course I'm very concerned about the policeman.

0:04:39 > 0:04:41I would observe that our Chief Medical Officer Sally Davis

0:04:41 > 0:04:45has said that the risk to the public is low, so I would urge the public

0:04:45 > 0:04:47to take comfort from that.

0:04:47 > 0:04:50We have been ready for a while for a number of different types

0:04:50 > 0:04:55of terrorist activity and we are making sure that we give

0:04:55 > 0:04:58the public the support, that we contain the incident

0:04:58 > 0:05:01and that we collect the evidence so that when we come to attribution,

0:05:01 > 0:05:07we will know what to do.

0:05:07 > 0:05:10Our correspondent, Leila Nathoo, is in Salisbury.

0:05:10 > 0:05:14What's the latest?

0:05:14 > 0:05:20We know that counterterror police are saying this is a rare nerve

0:05:20 > 0:05:26agent used in Salisbury to specifically target Sergei and Yulia

0:05:26 > 0:05:29Skripal who were found unconscious on the bench that remains under the

0:05:29 > 0:05:34police tent behind me. This narrows down somewhat the possibilities in

0:05:34 > 0:05:38terms of who would be able to manufacture the nerve agent. We have

0:05:38 > 0:05:42not got the details yet on exactly what the substances but police do

0:05:42 > 0:05:49know. We also know that a policeman, one of the first on the scene here,

0:05:49 > 0:05:56was hospitalised. They were also exposed to the substance. The Home

0:05:56 > 0:06:00Secretary, Amber Rudd, said this morning he was engaging in talking

0:06:00 > 0:06:04but he is still believed to be in a serious condition. As far as the

0:06:04 > 0:06:10scene in Salisbury goes, you can see the cordon at the scene, still in

0:06:10 > 0:06:15place, and another cordon at a nearby pub, the Mill, and another at

0:06:15 > 0:06:20our high-street Italian restaurant, Zizzi restaurant, closed since

0:06:20 > 0:06:27Monday. The BBC has heard from the eyewitness on Sunday afternoon at

0:06:27 > 0:06:29Zizzi restaurant when police believe Sergei and Yulia Skripal went to the

0:06:29 > 0:06:33restaurant for lunch and the eyewitness has told the BBC he was

0:06:33 > 0:06:38behaving strangely at the restaurant at around 1:30pm, shouting and he

0:06:38 > 0:06:42left abruptly. The focus for police now is trying to piece together the

0:06:42 > 0:06:47timeline of what happened to Sergei and Yulia Skripal when they came to

0:06:47 > 0:06:50the city centre on Sunday afternoon. They are appealing for anyone in the

0:06:50 > 0:06:58area from 1pm on Sunday who may have been at Zizzi restaurant or the pub,

0:06:58 > 0:07:00the Mill, to come forward if they spotted anything out of the

0:07:00 > 0:07:07ordinary.The rest of the morning's news.

0:07:07 > 0:07:08Suspected domestic abusers could be

0:07:08 > 0:07:10electronically tagged, or banned from drinking

0:07:10 > 0:07:12alcohol and taking drugs, as part of proposals to tackle

0:07:12 > 0:07:16the problem in England and Wales.

0:07:16 > 0:07:18The Government wants views on a set of measures,

0:07:18 > 0:07:20which includes the first legal definition of economic

0:07:20 > 0:07:22abuse and a commissioner to oversee the issue.

0:07:22 > 0:07:25Jon Donnison reports.

0:07:25 > 0:07:27Euleen Hope suffered a decade of abuse

0:07:27 > 0:07:29at the hands of her ex-partner.

0:07:29 > 0:07:33Emotional, but also physical.

0:07:33 > 0:07:37She ended up in hospital more than a dozen times.

0:07:37 > 0:07:40She says she used to grow her fringe long to cover the black eyes.

0:07:40 > 0:07:46Some people say to me, why did you not get out sooner?

0:07:46 > 0:07:49Do you really want to look over your shoulder,

0:07:49 > 0:07:51if you leave a relationship?

0:07:51 > 0:07:52They could still be after you.

0:07:52 > 0:07:54He said, "I'll tell you when it's over."

0:07:54 > 0:07:57He threatened me and told me he would organise for someone

0:07:57 > 0:08:01to throw acid in my face.

0:08:01 > 0:08:07In 2015, the man was eventually jailed for grievous bodily harm

0:08:07 > 0:08:15and assault after Euleen's sister contacted the police.

0:08:15 > 0:08:17Almost two million people in England and Wales,

0:08:17 > 0:08:19most of them women, suffered

0:08:19 > 0:08:20domestic abuse last year.

0:08:20 > 0:08:22The Government wants to make it easier to prosecute perpetrators.

0:08:22 > 0:08:25It is launching a consultation document before it tries to get

0:08:25 > 0:08:26tougher laws passed.

0:08:26 > 0:08:27Among the proposals, broadening the legal definition

0:08:27 > 0:08:29of domestic abuse to include physical, psychological, sexual,

0:08:29 > 0:08:36emotional, but also economic abuse.

0:08:36 > 0:08:40Tougher sentences for cases involving children.

0:08:40 > 0:08:43And new protection orders to allow police and courts to intervene more

0:08:43 > 0:08:46quickly when abuse is suspected.

0:08:46 > 0:08:48The consultation period for the proposed new laws

0:08:48 > 0:08:49will last 12 weeks.

0:08:49 > 0:08:53Jon Donnison, BBC News.

0:08:53 > 0:08:56And we'll be getting reaction on this story from former

0:08:56 > 0:09:01victims of domestic abuse and others later in the programme.

0:09:01 > 0:09:03Two teenagers have died and two children are among

0:09:03 > 0:09:07the injured after a three-car crash in North Yorkshire.

0:09:07 > 0:09:09The boys, believed to be 17, died at the scene

0:09:09 > 0:09:12of the accident on the A61 near Thirsk last night.

0:09:12 > 0:09:15Five adults and two children were taken to hospital.

0:09:15 > 0:09:19Police have appealed for anyone who saw what happened to get in touch.

0:09:19 > 0:09:23The Danish man accused of murdering a female journalist

0:09:23 > 0:09:25aboard his homemade submarine, and then cutting up her

0:09:25 > 0:09:29corpse, is on trial this morning in Copenhagen.

0:09:29 > 0:09:31Inventor Peter Madsen admits dismembering Kim Wall's body,

0:09:31 > 0:09:35and throwing it out to sea, but denies killing her.

0:09:35 > 0:09:37Ms Wall was working on a story about Madsen when she went

0:09:37 > 0:09:38missing last August.

0:09:38 > 0:09:41Our reporter Maddy Savage is in court - she gave us

0:09:41 > 0:09:47the background to the case.

0:09:47 > 0:09:52It is a bleak's winters day in Copenhagen, but it has not stopped

0:09:52 > 0:09:55crowds of journalists from around the world turning up to mark the

0:09:55 > 0:10:00start of this high profile trial. The background to this case, a warm

0:10:00 > 0:10:05August summer night when the Swedish freelance journalist Kim Wall who

0:10:05 > 0:10:09had reported for the Guardian and others, she went to the dockside, a

0:10:09 > 0:10:1550 minute Drive from here, to go on-board Peter Madsen's submarine.

0:10:15 > 0:10:19She did not return alive after interviewing him. Parts of her body

0:10:19 > 0:10:24were found on the beach and at the bottom of the ocean in the weeks and

0:10:24 > 0:10:26months that followed. Peter Madsen has changed his story a number of

0:10:26 > 0:10:31times about what happened. Initially said he dropped her off safely, the

0:10:31 > 0:10:36then said he died when a hatch fell on her head and he's latest story is

0:10:36 > 0:10:40that she died of carbon monoxide poisoning. He has admitted cutting

0:10:40 > 0:10:45up her body but denies killing her. The trial is expected to take 12

0:10:45 > 0:10:50days, spread over seven weeks. If he is convicted of murder, he faces a

0:10:50 > 0:10:54life sentence in Denmark which would mean 15-17 years in prison without

0:10:54 > 0:11:02parole. He could also be sent to a secure mental health hospital.

0:11:05 > 0:11:10There has been a rise in women from Northern Ireland having abortions in

0:11:10 > 0:11:13England after the Government announced they would not have to pay

0:11:13 > 0:11:21for them. Abortion is illegal in Northern Ireland except for when a

0:11:21 > 0:11:25woman's life is at risk or a permanent and serious risk to her

0:11:25 > 0:11:27physical or mental health.

0:11:27 > 0:11:29And Victoria will be discussing this in more detail

0:11:29 > 0:11:32just after half nine.

0:11:32 > 0:11:36The UK and Saudi Arabia have agreed plans for a future trade and

0:11:36 > 0:11:40investment programme worth £65 billion. The announcement comes on

0:11:40 > 0:11:45the second day of a visit to the UK by the Saudi crown to Mohammad bin

0:11:45 > 0:11:51Salman. The packaging please direct investment in both countries across

0:11:51 > 0:11:53energy, education, health care and defence -- the package includes

0:11:53 > 0:11:56direct investment.

0:11:56 > 0:11:58Politicians in Florida have approved a bill to tighten gun

0:11:58 > 0:12:00controls in the State, following last month's

0:12:00 > 0:12:02deadly school shooting, which killed 17 people.

0:12:02 > 0:12:04The bill raises the legal age for buying rifles and imposes

0:12:04 > 0:12:06a three-day waiting period on all firearms sales.

0:12:06 > 0:12:10It will also allow the arming of some school staff,

0:12:10 > 0:12:13including teachers, but does not include a ban on assault-style

0:12:13 > 0:12:16weapons like the one used in last month's attack.

0:12:16 > 0:12:20The UK's public spending watchdog has warned that many

0:12:20 > 0:12:23councils in England will become financially unsustainable

0:12:23 > 0:12:26if they continue to rely on their reserve funds to pay

0:12:26 > 0:12:29for the increasing demands of social care.

0:12:29 > 0:12:32The National Audit Office says two thirds of councils with social

0:12:32 > 0:12:33care responsibilities raided their reserves

0:12:33 > 0:12:36in the financial year ending last April.

0:12:36 > 0:12:38The Government says a new funding settlement has been approved

0:12:38 > 0:12:41for councils to help pay for the services that keep

0:12:41 > 0:12:46communities running.

0:12:46 > 0:12:49Train passengers will be able to claim compensation more easily for

0:12:49 > 0:12:53the knock-on costs of delays as part of changes to ticket terms and

0:12:53 > 0:12:57conditions. Rail companies are removing a clause which says they

0:12:57 > 0:13:00will not accept any liability for indirect effects such as commuters

0:13:00 > 0:13:06having to pay for taxis and hotels. The consumer group Which? had

0:13:06 > 0:13:09previously accused firms of misleading the public. The soldiers

0:13:09 > 0:13:13of the world Welsh have finally managed to catch themselves a new

0:13:13 > 0:13:21regimental mascot, formerly wild goat who to give the troops the slip

0:13:21 > 0:13:26when they first tried to catch him. Six months of training before taking

0:13:26 > 0:13:31up official duties. The Royal Welsh have had a goat as a mascot since

0:13:31 > 0:13:36the 18th century. I presume that is a shot of them trying to catch said

0:13:36 > 0:13:38goat!

0:13:38 > 0:13:43That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9:30.

0:13:43 > 0:13:48Let us bring you some sport. I'm just going to tell you what

0:13:48 > 0:13:54interview we are starting our programme with, an interview with

0:13:54 > 0:13:58Steve, sitting next to me, his photographs were stolen from his

0:13:58 > 0:14:08Facebook profile and used on dating sites to con women to handing over

0:14:08 > 0:14:17in some cases thousands of pounds to scammers. We will speak to him in a

0:14:17 > 0:14:22moment in his first broadcast interview and a serious message

0:14:22 > 0:14:26which Steve will talk to you about which is your profile is not your

0:14:26 > 0:14:33own, what is on the is not yours, anyone can take your stuff. Anyway,

0:14:33 > 0:14:38he will articulate it much better than I have! The sport now. More

0:14:38 > 0:14:42Champions League football last night, but all five British teams

0:14:42 > 0:14:51will not be in the quarterfinals, with some criticism.

0:14:51 > 0:14:54None more so than Juventus defender Giorgio Chiellini.

0:14:54 > 0:15:02After they knocked Tottenham Hotspur out of the Champions League 4-3

0:15:02 > 0:15:05on aggregate, he told the media that he and his teammates knew

0:15:05 > 0:15:07Spurs were weak in defence and fragile mentally and some

0:15:07 > 0:15:09Tottenham fans may well agree because although there's no shame

0:15:09 > 0:15:12in being knocked out by a side that has made two

0:15:12 > 0:15:13of the last three finals

0:15:13 > 0:15:15in the competition, it's the manner of the goals

0:15:15 > 0:15:18they conceded over the two legs which will really hurt them.

0:15:18 > 0:15:20Things had started so well for Spurs.

0:15:20 > 0:15:22They were well on top in the first

0:15:22 > 0:15:24half and deservedly led through Son Heung Min.

0:15:24 > 0:15:26But then experience told in the view

0:15:26 > 0:15:27of veteran defender Chiellini

0:15:27 > 0:15:30with Juventus stunning Spurs with two goals in less

0:15:30 > 0:15:31than three second-half minutes.

0:15:31 > 0:15:34They go through to the last eight, securing a 2-1 win at Wembley.

0:15:34 > 0:15:35Afterwards Spurs boss Mauricio Pochettino responded

0:15:35 > 0:15:43to some of that criticism.

0:15:46 > 0:15:54No experience, no lack of concentration. How many chances we

0:15:54 > 0:15:58concede, in the first leg of the second leg today, I think we concede

0:15:58 > 0:16:02three chances and they scored twice. We created a lot of chances and only

0:16:02 > 0:16:04scored one.

0:16:04 > 0:16:06Well, things were far more comfortable for Manchester City.

0:16:06 > 0:16:09They went into the second leg of their last 16 tie against

0:16:09 > 0:16:12FC Basel with a 4-0 advantage from their away tie,

0:16:12 > 0:16:14and there was a collector's item for the team from Switzerland.

0:16:14 > 0:16:18A 2-1 win on the night making it City's first home defeat

0:16:18 > 0:16:21since the end of 2016, and just the fourth time they've lost

0:16:21 > 0:16:24in all competitions this season.

0:16:24 > 0:16:27And it was an even more unusual story for fans watching

0:16:27 > 0:16:30at the Etihad, as manager Pep Guardiola said his side

0:16:30 > 0:16:33forgot to attack at times, but they have been blessed so far

0:16:33 > 0:16:41this season, with some more entertainment ahead, I'm sure.

0:16:44 > 0:16:48And disappointment for Phil Neville is the new England women's manager?

0:16:48 > 0:16:50England went into their final match of the She Believes Cup,

0:16:50 > 0:16:53knowing that a draw against the United States in Orlando

0:16:53 > 0:16:55would give them an international tournament victory and a huge boost

0:16:55 > 0:16:57after what's been a tumultuous period, with the sacking

0:16:57 > 0:16:59of Mark Sampson and the somewhat unpopular appointment

0:16:59 > 0:17:02of Phil Neville.

0:17:02 > 0:17:05Unfortunately, they just fell short.

0:17:05 > 0:17:08Facing the world's number one side in their own back yard,

0:17:08 > 0:17:10they put in a strong performance.

0:17:10 > 0:17:14The only difference was an unsightly piece of defending, which ended up

0:17:14 > 0:17:17with an own goal for keeper Karen Bardsley,

0:17:17 > 0:17:25much to the disappointment of Neville.

0:17:25 > 0:17:29Defeat hurts, it is why I kept the players on the pitch at the end of

0:17:29 > 0:17:34the game, because sometimes you have to feel that hurt and pain, see the

0:17:34 > 0:17:38opposition lift the trophy, because it sticks with you, and we hope at

0:17:38 > 0:17:42the next competition, they remember this pain and it kicks them on even

0:17:42 > 0:17:42more.

0:17:42 > 0:17:44Well, one way of trying to improve their mood will be

0:17:44 > 0:17:46a visit to Disneyland when the players wake up,

0:17:46 > 0:17:48but it may be little consolation.

0:17:48 > 0:17:56More sport after ten.

0:17:57 > 0:17:58Good morning, Thursday morning, welcome to the programme.

0:17:58 > 0:18:02Women across the internet have been falling for this guy.

0:18:02 > 0:18:03He's handsome, he's fun, and he's charming.

0:18:03 > 0:18:05Only trouble is, in reality, he's not only married,

0:18:05 > 0:18:07he's married to a man.

0:18:07 > 0:18:10These pictures are of Steve Bustin.

0:18:10 > 0:18:12He's a 46-year-old public speaking coach from Brighton.

0:18:12 > 0:18:16But his photos have been stolen by a scammer, or maybe scammers,

0:18:16 > 0:18:19who've been setting up profiles on Facebook and a dating site,

0:18:19 > 0:18:24to lure women into falling for him, before asking for money.

0:18:24 > 0:18:27We've heard before on this programme from women who've been duped

0:18:27 > 0:18:29by internet fraudsters, but what's it like to have your

0:18:29 > 0:18:35whole identity stolen by them?

0:18:35 > 0:18:38Let's talk to Steve Bustin now.

0:18:38 > 0:18:40You're a professional man, fairly active on social media,

0:18:40 > 0:18:45it's part of your job, but about two years ago,

0:18:45 > 0:18:47one day you find out someone's using your photos

0:18:47 > 0:18:48to create a Facebook profile.

0:18:48 > 0:18:53What happened?

0:18:53 > 0:18:57Yeah, I suddenly had people, friends of mine on Facebook, saying, I had a

0:18:57 > 0:19:04friend request from somebody using your photos, is this you? That

0:19:04 > 0:19:09escalated, I found profiles not in my name at using the photos, and at

0:19:09 > 0:19:12that point you could report to Facebook that somebody was trying to

0:19:12 > 0:19:16be you, you could only report that they were trying to be some deals. I

0:19:16 > 0:19:22had to get my friends to message Facebook, and eventually they

0:19:22 > 0:19:25flagged up my profile, and I got a message from someone saying, it is

0:19:25 > 0:19:30not just Facebook, I was on a dating site, I thought I was chatting to

0:19:30 > 0:19:35you. This was when I realised it had gone further, so what's on point my

0:19:35 > 0:19:41photos have been harvested, script off my profile and sold. So data is

0:19:41 > 0:19:46sold, and images are sold as well. That allows people to do something

0:19:46 > 0:19:49like this.You have given us some photographs of you which have been

0:19:49 > 0:19:58used by the scammer scammers, let's just think why your photographs were

0:19:58 > 0:20:02used. There is a picture of you with your sister, which we are going to

0:20:02 > 0:20:07show any minute now. Why do think a picture of you and your sister was

0:20:07 > 0:20:11used?Well, I know exactly why, because the most recent woman I have

0:20:11 > 0:20:21been in contact with, that is my sister Nicola about three years ago,

0:20:21 > 0:20:27but Martin, the most recent scammer, we don't know his real name, he sent

0:20:27 > 0:20:31that to a woman who contacted me about three weeks ago and told her

0:20:31 > 0:20:36that was him with his deceased wife. Now, my sister is not terribly happy

0:20:36 > 0:20:42about that, understandably, and it is just wrong to be telling stories

0:20:42 > 0:20:47about people that clearly aren't true.But the image and the story,

0:20:47 > 0:20:55the fake story, which suggests that you are a widower, that you are mid

0:20:55 > 0:21:0050s perhaps, generally trustworthy, is that what is going on there?It

0:21:00 > 0:21:05seems to be, yes.This is you had a Halloween party, how does this fit

0:21:05 > 0:21:10in?This is actually me at work, weirdly! I was compere in a

0:21:10 > 0:21:15Halloween ball last year. But it means he has come back to my profile

0:21:15 > 0:21:21multiple times to look for both Dominic more photos to update. Most

0:21:21 > 0:21:25of them ten years old, but this is last October. Ian has come back to

0:21:25 > 0:21:33refresh the file. He knows my name, he has come back, and he knows where

0:21:33 > 0:21:39to go to find more material.And this is you with your dog, let's

0:21:39 > 0:21:43have a look at this, what does this image portrayed to women looking for

0:21:43 > 0:21:46a relationship? I suspect it hopefully says cultured, because I

0:21:46 > 0:21:53was reading!At ease with animals... Nice guy, you got a dog, must be

0:21:53 > 0:22:00nice.The scammer told the most recent woman, Constance, that the

0:22:00 > 0:22:05dog died last year, but she is very much alive, so slightly odd that he

0:22:05 > 0:22:09is making up these stories. I guess he wanted it to seem like there was

0:22:09 > 0:22:13a whole life there, I use social media for business, but also family

0:22:13 > 0:22:22and social stop. -- social stop.

0:22:22 > 0:22:24and social stop. -- social stop.But it is not just still images, I'm

0:22:24 > 0:22:28going to play this now for our audience, let's just play it first,

0:22:28 > 0:22:36you can explain what is going on. This is Martin Petersen...His

0:22:36 > 0:22:46voice, my face, and a woman he was talking to, Constance.

0:22:46 > 0:22:49To actually talk properly.

0:22:49 > 0:22:51It's because of where I am in Bahrain.

0:22:51 > 0:22:52Yes?

0:22:52 > 0:22:53The internet is horrible.

0:22:53 > 0:22:54Yes, I know.

0:22:54 > 0:22:58It keeps stopping.

0:22:58 > 0:23:00Well, you keep stopping as well, and then the line

0:23:00 > 0:23:03keeps breaking as well.

0:23:03 > 0:23:06Oh, that's a shame.

0:23:06 > 0:23:08It's good to see you.

0:23:08 > 0:23:09How are you doing?

0:23:09 > 0:23:11How is your Sunday going?

0:23:11 > 0:23:12It's good to see you as well.

0:23:12 > 0:23:15How is your Sunday going?

0:23:15 > 0:23:19How was my what?

0:23:19 > 0:23:24How is your Sunday going?

0:23:24 > 0:23:25Oh, it's good, it is good.

0:23:25 > 0:23:30Yes, it's lovely and sunny here, so I've been in the garden.

0:23:30 > 0:23:32Are you home alone?

0:23:32 > 0:23:37Yes, I am today.

0:23:37 > 0:23:40Where is everyone?

0:23:40 > 0:23:41They've all gone home.

0:23:41 > 0:23:45They live in London.

0:23:45 > 0:23:47Are you coming home soon?

0:23:47 > 0:23:51Are you coming home next weekend?

0:23:51 > 0:23:54I'm coming in two weeks, unfortunately.

0:23:54 > 0:23:59Oh, OK, so an extra one.

0:23:59 > 0:24:06I mean, I will be here just before you know it.

0:24:06 > 0:24:07I know, OK.

0:24:07 > 0:24:15Then we can talk about what we're going to do.

0:24:16 > 0:24:17Can you hear me?

0:24:17 > 0:24:21Yes, I can hear you.

0:24:21 > 0:24:25Should I call you on a normal call so we can talk?

0:24:25 > 0:24:28Because this Skype thing is not working for me.

0:24:28 > 0:24:35It's working occasionally, a bit.

0:24:35 > 0:24:38So let me call you on the phone, if that's OK with you?

0:24:38 > 0:24:40OK.

0:24:40 > 0:24:43All right, let's do that.

0:24:43 > 0:24:50All right.

0:24:50 > 0:24:53So he took real footage of you and made it look like the signal was

0:24:53 > 0:25:00breaking up. Where did he get that from?I had to hunt for that, when

0:25:00 > 0:25:04Constance said to me, by the time that call to place, we were onto

0:25:04 > 0:25:11him, so double was stringing him along.She agreed to do that and all

0:25:11 > 0:25:18us to show it today.It is not on my YouTube channel or my Facebook

0:25:18 > 0:25:22profile, so he had really had to try and find that.The all point is that

0:25:22 > 0:25:26he is trying to Leo women into some kind of relationship and, very early

0:25:26 > 0:25:31on, he begins to ask for money. You have met some of the women,

0:25:31 > 0:25:37Constance is one of them, what were they told?It is very standard, he

0:25:37 > 0:25:41is always a widower, tends to be late 50s, often has to work abroad.

0:25:41 > 0:25:46In that case, he was supposedly in Bahrain, no idea where he was. But

0:25:46 > 0:25:50when they are abroad, something goes wrong, all of a sudden, could I have

0:25:50 > 0:25:55some money, please? With Constance, he had very recently said he had

0:25:55 > 0:26:01been involved in a car accident, sent a photograph of me after a

0:26:01 > 0:26:04gardening accident, with blood on my face, building up to asking for

0:26:04 > 0:26:09money. Some of the other women have been asked for thousands of pounds.

0:26:09 > 0:26:14And have given thousands of pounds? The women I have spoken to, no, they

0:26:14 > 0:26:18have got suspicious in time, and that is when they have done a

0:26:18 > 0:26:24reverse Google image search, you can find out where the image came from.

0:26:24 > 0:26:30So, thankfully, I hate to think how many women are dating me, somebody

0:26:30 > 0:26:35who looks like me.And you want to get in touch with them all?I would

0:26:35 > 0:26:40love to know how many women are dating somebody using my photos, it

0:26:40 > 0:26:43would be great, get them together, I will throw a party, we will invite

0:26:43 > 0:26:50some single straight men, which is what they are hoping to do!Tim

0:26:50 > 0:26:54says, locking your Facebook profile is nothing new, so Facebook is

0:26:54 > 0:26:57toeing the line, but if strangers have got the photos, that is the

0:26:57 > 0:27:02fault of the user.To an extent, yes, I do use Facebook, I have

0:27:02 > 0:27:06always wanted to be open, because I want people to be able to find me.

0:27:06 > 0:27:11To an extent, I do put my life out there. But that doesn't give

0:27:11 > 0:27:14somebody permission to come and steal it and use it for the various

0:27:14 > 0:27:20purposes. But I think it does highlight the fact that social media

0:27:20 > 0:27:23is a public forum, and, yes, you can shut your profile right down. Even

0:27:23 > 0:27:26then, you would be surprised how much information people can find.

0:27:26 > 0:27:30You have to remember, when you put something on social media, you are

0:27:30 > 0:27:34really posting in public, you have to bear that in mind. If there is

0:27:34 > 0:27:38something you would not want seen in public, don't post it. But I am not

0:27:38 > 0:27:41sane people should not be posting on social media, it is brilliant. But

0:27:41 > 0:27:46just have an awareness it is out in public.But you want to campaign now

0:27:46 > 0:27:51for a change in the law that would stop this happening?Ideally. I

0:27:51 > 0:27:59mean, cat fishing is not illegal, strangely.What does it mean?It is

0:27:59 > 0:28:06the scamming of people using false identities, and these scammers...

0:28:06 > 0:28:11Oh, but it is illegal, it is fraud. I have reported it to the police,

0:28:11 > 0:28:16they are not interested, because ultimately it is low-level, and at

0:28:16 > 0:28:20this point there has been no financial loss.That you know of.

0:28:20 > 0:28:25Certainly for me or Constance, but I think there needs to be a more

0:28:25 > 0:28:31explicit law around catfishing, it is about identity theft, and it

0:28:31 > 0:28:36doesn't sit in an obvious place in the law. I think there is an onus on

0:28:36 > 0:28:39the social media platforms to tighten up and make people aware,

0:28:39 > 0:28:43and Facebook are getting much better at that. Twitter have got a lot to

0:28:43 > 0:28:47learn. But also the dating sites, at the moment their verification is

0:28:47 > 0:28:52they ask you to send a photo, so this guy just sent in my photo. That

0:28:52 > 0:28:56is useless. When I have approached the dating sites, their response has

0:28:56 > 0:29:01been really poor. I do think there needs to be something coming from

0:29:01 > 0:29:05the Government in terms of laws, enforcing websites that are hosting

0:29:05 > 0:29:09profiles to tighten up their security and make sure that people

0:29:09 > 0:29:13control what can and cannot be seen in public.What does your husband

0:29:13 > 0:29:18think of this?You thought it was funny at first, but then we saw the

0:29:18 > 0:29:22video, and he mocked up a passport with my photo, we felt it was more

0:29:22 > 0:29:30serious. I had to reassure them that he is safe, that these partners are

0:29:30 > 0:29:34not my style! I have been within 16 years, we are very happy.Thank you

0:29:34 > 0:29:37for joining us.

0:29:37 > 0:29:40Now listen to this.

0:29:40 > 0:29:42It's what Rufaro Chisango, a young black female student

0:29:42 > 0:29:45at Nottingham Trent University training to be a youth worker, had

0:29:45 > 0:29:47to listen to from inside her room.

0:29:47 > 0:29:49The abuse happened earlier this week as drunken students congregated

0:29:49 > 0:29:52outside of her room, but after no response

0:29:52 > 0:29:54from the university, she put her footage up

0:29:54 > 0:29:55on Twitter yesterday.

0:29:55 > 0:30:03We have bleeped some of the words.

0:30:03 > 0:30:05INAUDIBLE.

0:30:05 > 0:30:09Leave her alone!

0:30:09 > 0:30:15What was that, sorry?

0:30:15 > 0:30:17# Say ooh-ah, BLEEP the blacks

0:30:17 > 0:30:25# Say ooh-ah, BLEEP the blacks

0:30:25 > 0:30:28# Say ooh-ah, BLEEP the blacks

0:30:28 > 0:30:30A black woman...

0:30:30 > 0:30:35# We hate the blacks # We hate the blacks

0:30:35 > 0:30:36INAUDIBLE. # We hate the blacks

0:30:36 > 0:30:38We hate blacks! # We hate the blacks

0:30:38 > 0:30:39We hate white people! # We hate the blacks

0:30:39 > 0:30:41White people are BLEEP. # We hate the blacks

0:30:41 > 0:30:48White people are... # We hate the blacks

0:30:50 > 0:30:53ALL TALK AT ONCE.

0:30:53 > 0:30:55The blacks and the whites are congregating.

0:30:55 > 0:30:56I have a dream.

0:30:56 > 0:30:57I have a dream.

0:30:57 > 0:30:58I had a dream.

0:30:58 > 0:31:06INAUDIBLE.

0:31:17 > 0:31:22Let us talk to Rufaro now.

0:31:22 > 0:31:25We are joined now by Mary Okpo, the vice president of

0:31:25 > 0:31:26Nottingham Trent Afro-Caribbean Society.

0:31:26 > 0:31:32What was the impact of what you were hearing on new, Rufaro?A big

0:31:32 > 0:31:40impact, obviously. When it happened, I just got home, five, ten minutes

0:31:40 > 0:31:46later, I heard shouting from outside my door, and I was just shocked,

0:31:46 > 0:31:50that was my initial thought, really shocked. I felt very isolated and

0:31:50 > 0:31:57uncomfortable.Sorry to interrupt, without naming any names, do you

0:31:57 > 0:32:03know the people who were shouting? Yeah, I know who they are.Have you

0:32:03 > 0:32:10seen them since?No, I haven't.What did you do? What complaint did you

0:32:10 > 0:32:16make to the University?I went to the reception and I complained that

0:32:16 > 0:32:21there was racial abuse outside my corridor so they took a statement

0:32:21 > 0:32:25and my details and stuff and they said they would get back to me by

0:32:25 > 0:32:30the morning, then they would have spoken to them, because they all

0:32:30 > 0:32:37went out that night. They didn't contact me.Since it happened, no

0:32:37 > 0:32:44one has got in touch with you in terms of university officials?After

0:32:44 > 0:32:47I put it on Twitter, that is when I got more contact from the

0:32:47 > 0:32:53University. This morning, someone came from the University and had a

0:32:53 > 0:32:57chat with me. I gave my statement to them as well. I had e-mailed them as

0:32:57 > 0:33:04well before.What have you asked them to do? What do you expect them

0:33:04 > 0:33:09to do?I just want them to take more action on what is happening. I just

0:33:09 > 0:33:15want the appropriate action to take place. Obviously, it is racial

0:33:15 > 0:33:20abuse, it should not be tolerated at all. It should not have such a long

0:33:20 > 0:33:26delay when I report something like this.Has this happened to you

0:33:26 > 0:33:29before, Rufaro?No, this hasn't happened to me before.Have you

0:33:29 > 0:33:36considered contacting the police? Yes, I have considered contacting

0:33:36 > 0:33:41them but I wanted to see what the university would do first.OK. We're

0:33:41 > 0:33:45hoping to talk to the vice president of Nottingham Trent Afro-Caribbean

0:33:45 > 0:33:52society but we have just lost the line. In terms of your accommodation

0:33:52 > 0:33:57scenario, do you feel comfortable still residing in the room you are

0:33:57 > 0:34:05in?I feel OK now because more action is taking place.I'll going

0:34:05 > 0:34:11to bring in Mary, if I made, Rufaro. Hello, can you hear me, Mary?Good

0:34:11 > 0:34:18morning.What would you expect the university to do?Anything that is

0:34:18 > 0:34:24adequate.What does that mean in practical terms?I don't know, a

0:34:24 > 0:34:29suspension for the students, this is unacceptable. As Steve Bustin is a

0:34:29 > 0:34:35member of our committee, we have a level of response ability to her --

0:34:35 > 0:34:44as Rufaro is a member.A suspension to the students involved if they

0:34:44 > 0:34:53are...At the very least.What at the very worst?Expulsion.Really?

0:34:53 > 0:35:00It is unacceptable. No justification. Whether they were

0:35:00 > 0:35:04inebriated or not, there is nothing that can justify what they said. She

0:35:04 > 0:35:09clearly was in a state of distress, this could have affected her

0:35:09 > 0:35:13incredibly, but she is a strong girl, she has come through this,

0:35:13 > 0:35:16with our support and the support of her friends and family, but this was

0:35:16 > 0:35:25a terrible incident.How shocked you buy that kind of language in Britain

0:35:25 > 0:35:30in 2018? -- how shocked are you buy that kind of language in Britain in

0:35:30 > 0:35:352018?It is something I did not think I would see. I wiz had an idea

0:35:35 > 0:35:41racism was covert, but for it to be so overtly open in 2018, it is

0:35:41 > 0:35:46something that shocked me to the highest -- I always had an idea

0:35:46 > 0:35:49racism was Cofer.Have you come across this before at your

0:35:49 > 0:35:55university?I know there have been other incidents at the University.

0:35:55 > 0:36:04Not me, personally.How rare are they? How common are they?I would

0:36:04 > 0:36:08not say they are common, it is very row, this is the second time it has

0:36:08 > 0:36:12happened in the past year that I know of. I would not say it is

0:36:12 > 0:36:16common, but it is something that should not happen at all in the

0:36:16 > 0:36:20first place.I have a statement from Nottingham Trent University, we are

0:36:20 > 0:36:23shocked and appalled to see the video of racist chanting, this kind

0:36:23 > 0:36:27of behaviour will not be tolerated. Those suspected perpetrators have

0:36:27 > 0:36:35been suspended pending a full investigation. OK, that is just in.

0:36:35 > 0:36:38We have contacted the student who made the complaint and we are

0:36:38 > 0:36:41supporting her and others affecting and we will be liaising with the

0:36:41 > 0:36:47police about this incident. While an investigation is carried out, the

0:36:47 > 0:36:54suspects have been suspended. How do you respond to that?Great. Because

0:36:54 > 0:36:59no one should be able to get away with this kind of disrespect, this

0:36:59 > 0:37:04kind of racist behaviour in this society today. I am happy.Thank you

0:37:04 > 0:37:10very much for talking to us, Mary, vice president of Nottingham Trent

0:37:10 > 0:37:16Afro-Caribbean Society. And you heard first from Rufaro who posted

0:37:16 > 0:37:19the footage on Twitter.

0:37:19 > 0:37:20Still to come...

0:37:20 > 0:37:23We'll be discussing the increase of women from Northern Ireland

0:37:23 > 0:37:26having abortions in England.

0:37:26 > 0:37:31That is since charges were dropped last summer, the number coming have

0:37:31 > 0:37:36increased.

0:37:36 > 0:37:38Some people are saying their Amazon Alexa device has

0:37:38 > 0:37:40been been letting out an unprompted, creepy cackle.

0:37:40 > 0:37:42It appears to happen without any previous interaction.

0:37:42 > 0:37:45Spooky or what?

0:37:45 > 0:37:46Time for the latest news.

0:37:46 > 0:37:47Here's Annita McVeigh.

0:37:47 > 0:37:52The BBC News headlines this morning.

0:37:52 > 0:37:55The Home Secretary, Amber Rudd, is due to make a statement this

0:37:55 > 0:37:58lunchtime in the House of Commons about the nerve agent used in the

0:37:58 > 0:38:03attempted murder of a former Russian spy and his daughter.

0:38:03 > 0:38:05While police have now identified the type of chemical,

0:38:05 > 0:38:08it's not yet known where it was made or who could have

0:38:08 > 0:38:09carried out the attack.

0:38:09 > 0:38:12Sergei and Yulia Skripal remain in a critical condition in hospital.

0:38:12 > 0:38:15A policeman who went to help them was also seriously injured.

0:38:15 > 0:38:17Suspected domestic abusers could be electronically tagged,

0:38:17 > 0:38:20as part of new government proposals.

0:38:20 > 0:38:25A consultation has been launched on a set of measures

0:38:25 > 0:38:27for England and Wales, which also include the first legal

0:38:27 > 0:38:29definition of economic abuse and a commissioner

0:38:29 > 0:38:34to oversee the issue.

0:38:34 > 0:38:35The Government is also suggesting tougher sentences

0:38:35 > 0:38:37for cases involving children, and possible court orders

0:38:37 > 0:38:40which could include tagging or alcohol bans.

0:38:40 > 0:38:42Two teenagers have died and two children are among

0:38:42 > 0:38:45the injured after a three-car crash in North Yorkshire.

0:38:45 > 0:38:49The boys, believed to be 17, died at the scene

0:38:49 > 0:38:51on the A61 near Thirsk last night.

0:38:51 > 0:38:56Five adults and two children were taken to hospital.

0:38:56 > 0:39:00Police have appealed for anyone who saw what happened to get in touch.

0:39:00 > 0:39:06The trial of a Danish man accused of murdering a female journalist on

0:39:06 > 0:39:10board of his home-made submarine and then cutting up her corpse has

0:39:10 > 0:39:13opened in Copenhagen.

0:39:13 > 0:39:15Inventor Peter Madsen admits dismembering Kim Wall's body,

0:39:15 > 0:39:17and throwing it out to sea, but denies killing her.

0:39:17 > 0:39:20Ms Wall was working on a story about Madsen when she went

0:39:20 > 0:39:21missing last August.

0:39:21 > 0:39:24That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

0:39:24 > 0:39:29Thank you. An e-mail here from a woman who does not wish us to use

0:39:29 > 0:39:34her name, that is absolutely fine, I'm so glad you are covering the

0:39:34 > 0:39:40scamming topic, I was victim to the same scam two years ago, I have had

0:39:40 > 0:39:44to keep it secret as I did not know who to share it with, I am so

0:39:44 > 0:39:48embarrassed over my desperation to find love and it going pear shaped.

0:39:48 > 0:39:53I paid £200 and it was to an address in Ghana. The man was on a highly

0:39:53 > 0:40:00advertised dating website and said he was in the US

0:40:03 > 0:40:05he was in the US military and rank. Looking to retire shortly and hard

0:40:05 > 0:40:08up for cash because he had been off sick. His photos were so slick and

0:40:08 > 0:40:12the conversations really attractive, I believed I was in this

0:40:12 > 0:40:17relationship with him for eight months. After picking up on spelling

0:40:17 > 0:40:22errors and I knew I had been conned, I tried to trace him and the area it

0:40:22 > 0:40:27came to be was a library in America. Thank you very much for letting us

0:40:27 > 0:40:35know. If you have been a victim of a similar scam, let us know. We do not

0:40:35 > 0:40:44need to use your name, you know that. Here is the sport. Mauricio

0:40:44 > 0:40:47Pochettino denies his side's lack of experience was to blame for the

0:40:47 > 0:40:52Champions League exit at the hands of Juventus last night. The Italians

0:40:52 > 0:40:55champions go through after coming from behind that the 2-1 win at

0:40:55 > 0:40:57Wembley

0:40:57 > 0:41:02from behind that the 2-1 win at Wembley, it ended 4-3 on aggregate.

0:41:02 > 0:41:06Manchester City's boss Pep Guardiola said his team forgot to attack, they

0:41:06 > 0:41:10lost 2-110 FC Basel. They make it through to the quarters but they

0:41:10 > 0:41:16were beaten at home for the first time since 2016. England's women

0:41:16 > 0:41:19head coach Phil Neville has urged the players to remember the pain of

0:41:19 > 0:41:21missing out on winning the couple-macro last night. They needed

0:41:21 > 0:41:29a draw against the US but they were beaten in Orlando. Rugby Union

0:41:29 > 0:41:32Captain Dylan Hartley will miss their Six Nations match against

0:41:32 > 0:41:36France this weekend with a calf injury meaning Owen Farrell will

0:41:36 > 0:41:41captain England instead for the first time. We will be back with

0:41:41 > 0:41:49more sport after 10am. Let me bring you this news. Terrorism related

0:41:49 > 0:41:53offences in Britain and arrests, a record 412 arrests for suspected

0:41:53 > 0:42:02terrorism offences in the UK in 2017, Home Office figures just out.

0:42:04 > 0:42:07Next, this programme can reveal there has been a 14% increase in

0:42:07 > 0:42:13women from Northern Ireland having abortions in England since the

0:42:13 > 0:42:16Government announced at the end of June last year that women would no

0:42:16 > 0:42:21longer have to pay for them.

0:42:21 > 0:42:23In the last eight months, at least 553 women travelled

0:42:23 > 0:42:25from the country to England to terminate their pregnancy.

0:42:25 > 0:42:27Abortion is illegal in Northern Ireland,

0:42:27 > 0:42:30except for when a woman's life is at risk or there is a permanent

0:42:30 > 0:42:35and serious risk to her physical or mental health.

0:42:35 > 0:42:38But women can travel to mainland Britain to have a termination.

0:42:38 > 0:42:42They used to be charged £900, but now they can have them for free.

0:42:42 > 0:42:45Labour MP Stella Creasy campaigned to get the charges

0:42:45 > 0:42:46dropped last year,

0:42:46 > 0:42:49and she's now leading a cross-party group of politicians calling

0:42:49 > 0:42:50on the Government to provide equal

0:42:50 > 0:42:56access in Northern Ireland so women no longer have

0:42:56 > 0:42:59to travel to the mainland.

0:42:59 > 0:43:04She joins us now from Westminster.

0:43:04 > 0:43:06And in Belfast, we can speak to Emma Campbell from

0:43:06 > 0:43:10the pro-choice campaign group Alliance for Choice.

0:43:10 > 0:43:14Hello, both of you, thank you for talking to us. Stella Creasy, your

0:43:14 > 0:43:20reaction to the 14% increase since abortions became free in this

0:43:20 > 0:43:24country for women from Northern Ireland?It reveals the scale of the

0:43:24 > 0:43:28need to address this issue. It is simply unconscionable that in 2018

0:43:28 > 0:43:35part of our nation, Northern Ireland is part of the UK, we treat women

0:43:35 > 0:43:39there differently than here in London or Birmingham or Manchester

0:43:39 > 0:43:43and what the data tells us is that we need to go further because it is

0:43:43 > 0:43:48not fair to ask women to travel. The UN Convention on violence against

0:43:48 > 0:43:52women has identified that asking women in Northern Ireland to travel

0:43:52 > 0:43:56to England to have an abortion is an inhuman and degrading thing to do.I

0:43:56 > 0:44:01will ask you more about that in a moment, I want to get reaction from

0:44:01 > 0:44:06Emma as well to these figures we have obtained.We know that a number

0:44:06 > 0:44:10of women travelling to the UK for abortion treatment in the last five

0:44:10 > 0:44:17years has dropped and we know anecdotally that was because of use

0:44:17 > 0:44:21of abortion pills people obtained online and took illegally. Although

0:44:21 > 0:44:25they were safe, we can see from the recent prosecutions that it was

0:44:25 > 0:44:29actually illegal. We understand these figures to mean that people

0:44:29 > 0:44:35are no longer willing to risk the prosecution and they would rather

0:44:35 > 0:44:39travel to access abortions than risk this criminalisation. However, in

0:44:39 > 0:44:44the week the funding was announced, we had two phone calls from

0:44:44 > 0:44:49different women unable to travel to England, won because of violent

0:44:49 > 0:44:52ex-partner destroyed all of her identification and another because

0:44:52 > 0:44:58she had a very young child and there was no way for her to travel -- one

0:44:58 > 0:45:11because of a violent ex-partner. Although women can access the

0:45:12 > 0:45:14treatment in the UK, there are often women left behind because they

0:45:14 > 0:45:17cannot travel.What do you say about that?I agree with Stella and she

0:45:17 > 0:45:19has been doing sterling work in helping us campaign for a change in

0:45:19 > 0:45:23Northern Ireland so women can access it on equal terms to women in

0:45:23 > 0:45:28England and Wales.Stella Creasy, why do you say the current

0:45:28 > 0:45:32legislation is leading to, as you said in your letter to the Minister

0:45:32 > 0:45:36for Women and equality is, the Home Secretary, Amber Rudd, leading to

0:45:36 > 0:45:42torture or cruel and inhuman and degrading treatment?

0:45:42 > 0:45:47It is the United Nations committee who says that, they have done an

0:45:47 > 0:45:49inquiry into the situation in Northern Ireland. The Government

0:45:49 > 0:45:54told us they would ratify something called the Istanbul convention which

0:45:54 > 0:45:57is about ending violence against women. In order to do that, they

0:45:57 > 0:46:01have to tackle this issue, because it is a fundamental human right to

0:46:01 > 0:46:05have control over your body, and that is what we are talking about.

0:46:05 > 0:46:08We treat women Northern Ireland differently, we forced them to

0:46:08 > 0:46:13continue a pregnancy when they don't want to, it is inhumane and it is

0:46:13 > 0:46:18torture.But this is a devolved issue, so it is up to the Northern

0:46:18 > 0:46:22Ireland Assembly, isn't it?I am curious as to why women's rights is

0:46:22 > 0:46:26something we can devolve, but the Government said they would allow a

0:46:26 > 0:46:32free vote in the House of Commons about extending same-sex marriage to

0:46:32 > 0:46:34Northern Ireland, because we treat the community that was differently.

0:46:34 > 0:46:38I think you should be able to marry who you love, but I don't understand

0:46:38 > 0:46:43we recognise that as a human right and the Government therefore needs

0:46:43 > 0:46:48to act on that, but somehow when it comes to women's rights, it is OK to

0:46:48 > 0:46:53devolve. Crucially, the Northern Ireland public opinion is with us as

0:46:53 > 0:46:56well, it is the politicians you are not listening to the people. They

0:46:56 > 0:46:59want women to be able to access... Nobody is saying we want to

0:46:59 > 0:47:03encourage lots of abortions, but we are saying it is a human right to

0:47:03 > 0:47:08control what happens to your body. The public wanted, why do women's

0:47:08 > 0:47:11rights becomes something we can devolve, but with other human

0:47:11 > 0:47:16rights, we recognise we have to act? The Home Office says, and they are

0:47:16 > 0:47:19argument, the provision of abortion services in Northern Ireland is a

0:47:19 > 0:47:23matter for the Northern Ireland Assembly.So why are we saying we

0:47:23 > 0:47:26will act on same-sex marriage but not on women's rights? That seems to

0:47:26 > 0:47:31me like we are being selective about our fight for equality. This is

0:47:31 > 0:47:35International Women's Day, you know, feminist Christmas, as we like to

0:47:35 > 0:47:40call it! But it is not enough to march or use a hashtag, we need to

0:47:40 > 0:47:43make progress, and when it comes to abortion, a fundamental human right,

0:47:43 > 0:47:48we have got a long way to go. This Government was propping up Donald

0:47:48 > 0:47:51Trump and the global gag rule. The fact that we are treating women in

0:47:51 > 0:47:55Northern Ireland differently, the United Nations are calling us out,

0:47:55 > 0:48:01and the question is, are we going to act?I can only see the first word

0:48:01 > 0:48:04on your T-shirt, repeal, what is the rest of it? I am wearing this to

0:48:04 > 0:48:08stand in solidarity with brothers and sisters in Ireland who are

0:48:08 > 0:48:12having a referendum on repealing the eighth amendment of the Irish Guards

0:48:12 > 0:48:19and not with a label them to provide abortion to women in island. -- the

0:48:19 > 0:48:23Irish constitution. Women in Ireland are having to travel to England, and

0:48:23 > 0:48:27it is a fundamental human rights to access health care, and reproductive

0:48:27 > 0:48:36rights are crucial to equality. We are saying we will fight with you

0:48:36 > 0:48:38for human rights. Thank you very much, Stella Creasy,

0:48:38 > 0:48:45Emma Campbell, we have many messages from you about the student, sorry,

0:48:45 > 0:48:50let me tell you about this, we contacted the Department of Health

0:48:50 > 0:48:54and the Northern Ireland executive, but they did not respond. Messages

0:48:54 > 0:48:59about the racist footage posted on Twitter by a student who was the

0:48:59 > 0:49:03victim of it, Kari says, the racist behaviour towards this young woman

0:49:03 > 0:49:07should be investigated by the university and the culprits should

0:49:07 > 0:49:11be expelled. In the workplace, they would lose their jobs and possibly

0:49:11 > 0:49:14charges being brought against them, no human being should have to go

0:49:14 > 0:49:21through this. And this text goes on, I am white brochures and a mum, and

0:49:21 > 0:49:25I feel really sorry for this young woman, I would be devastated if my

0:49:25 > 0:49:28child was subjected to this sort of behaviour, she has the support of

0:49:28 > 0:49:32all this and people. This text is anonymous, the students using racist

0:49:32 > 0:49:39language should be expelled. Ken says, it makes me embarrassed to be

0:49:39 > 0:49:42British, I cannot believe young people at university are allowed to

0:49:42 > 0:49:47do that, they need to be kicked out, they should be zero-tolerance. Peter

0:49:47 > 0:49:50says, remove them and prosecute them. Nottingham Trent university

0:49:50 > 0:49:56have suspended the suspects while the matter is investigated.

0:49:56 > 0:50:00The trial of a Danish inventor accused of murdering a Swedish

0:50:00 > 0:50:02journalist on his self-built submarine last August

0:50:02 > 0:50:04has started in Copenhagen.

0:50:04 > 0:50:08Peter Madsen has admitted dismembering Kim Wall's body

0:50:08 > 0:50:12and throwing it out to sea but denies murder.

0:50:12 > 0:50:13Louisa Dalsgaard is a court reporter for DR,

0:50:13 > 0:50:21the official Danish broadcasting corporation in English.

0:50:23 > 0:50:28Thank you for talking to us.You are welcome.Tell us what happened to

0:50:28 > 0:50:35the journalist.Well, the police think the journalist has been killed

0:50:35 > 0:50:40on board of this submarine. Thursday the 10th of August last year, they

0:50:40 > 0:50:43think that Peter Madsen, the submarine builder and owner of the

0:50:43 > 0:50:49submarine, has killed her, he has dismembered her body, and he has

0:50:49 > 0:50:57done it so that he has plundered and he has brought different things, a

0:50:57 > 0:51:05saw to dismember her body, so I planned murder.

0:51:05 > 0:51:07planned murder.ETA denies killing Kim Wall, but he has changed his

0:51:07 > 0:51:13story a number of times. -- he denied.It started when they found

0:51:13 > 0:51:15him on board the submarine, they have been searching for the

0:51:15 > 0:51:19submarine the whole night, and they found him and the submarine sank. He

0:51:19 > 0:51:25told the police at that time that he had dropped Kim Wall off the same

0:51:25 > 0:51:28night, and that she had not been on the submarine the whole night. Then

0:51:28 > 0:51:33he changed his story to that she had died from a accident on the

0:51:33 > 0:51:37submarine, she had been hit by the winch in the submarine, and then she

0:51:37 > 0:51:43died. And then later he told police that she died from a poisoning of

0:51:43 > 0:51:47some sort, he couldn't tell, we don't know yet what he told the

0:51:47 > 0:51:51police the last time, but he keeps on saying that it was an accident,

0:51:51 > 0:51:58he has not killed her, but he admits to having dismembered her body.At

0:51:58 > 0:52:03the trial is expected to last 12 days, thank you very much, court

0:52:03 > 0:52:08reporter at the official Danish broadcasting corporation in English.

0:52:08 > 0:52:11A report published this morning gives a damming account

0:52:11 > 0:52:13of the financial state of local authorities in England and Wales.

0:52:13 > 0:52:16Councils do now have greater freedom to raise council tax than before,

0:52:16 > 0:52:18but the money they get from central government has been

0:52:18 > 0:52:21significantly reduced.

0:52:21 > 0:52:24The National Audit Office says many are now relying on reserves,

0:52:24 > 0:52:25which will eventually run out.

0:52:25 > 0:52:28One of the services provided by councils is social care,

0:52:28 > 0:52:31an area which is facing a sharp increase in demand

0:52:31 > 0:52:32as the population ages.

0:52:32 > 0:52:35So could the ability of councils to provide social care services

0:52:35 > 0:52:39safely be under threat?

0:52:39 > 0:52:41With us in the studio, Nadra Ahmed,

0:52:41 > 0:52:46chair of the National Care Association,

0:52:46 > 0:52:48which represents small to medium sized independent care homes,

0:52:48 > 0:52:50and John Fuller, the Conservative leader

0:52:50 > 0:52:53of South Norfolk Council and vice chairman

0:52:53 > 0:52:54of the Local Government Association's Resources Board.

0:52:54 > 0:53:01How do you react to the NAO's findings?

0:53:01 > 0:53:06Well, councils have been saying this for a long time, saying that we are

0:53:06 > 0:53:09facing a triple whammy, the amount of support from government is

0:53:09 > 0:53:14falling, the demand for services is increasing, and inflationary

0:53:14 > 0:53:17pressures and councils are higher than ever. We would say that,

0:53:17 > 0:53:21wouldn't we? But the NAO has shone a spotlight on some of the real

0:53:21 > 0:53:25issues, funding pressures we are facing, and adult social care is one

0:53:25 > 0:53:31of those.Is the Government listening to you?Let's face it, the

0:53:31 > 0:53:33general election and the Conservative manifesto got hung up

0:53:33 > 0:53:38on adult social care, it is a really tricky issue, and this is something

0:53:38 > 0:53:41more than just councils, something where a new settlement between

0:53:41 > 0:53:45government and councils, who delivers social care. We have an NHS

0:53:45 > 0:53:49but a local care service, and the demand for social care, and not just

0:53:49 > 0:53:53for old people, but people of all ages, is growing faster than the

0:53:53 > 0:53:59ability of councils to raise council tax.You are not just financially

0:53:59 > 0:54:03stretched because of social care, so is anyone in government listening to

0:54:03 > 0:54:08what even Conservative leaders are saying?Government is listening,

0:54:08 > 0:54:11they have made a series of small adjustments over the last few weeks,

0:54:11 > 0:54:16but we are all waiting with bated breath for the green paper on social

0:54:16 > 0:54:19care which will be published in June.How close is your council to

0:54:19 > 0:54:24running out of money?We have had to innovate and grow income, we are

0:54:24 > 0:54:29building houses again in a way we did not before. We are in for a

0:54:29 > 0:54:34standing count, I would say.What does that mean?We can keep our

0:54:34 > 0:54:38heads above water, but there are many authorities who have social

0:54:38 > 0:54:42care responsibilities, over half their total budget is going on

0:54:42 > 0:54:47social care, and we do 136 services. Left unchecked, the amount of money

0:54:47 > 0:54:51required to pay for social care at a local level would overwhelm the rest

0:54:51 > 0:54:59of the things that councils do.What is your take on this?The challenge

0:54:59 > 0:55:02is substantial, but it has been known about for quite some time, at

0:55:02 > 0:55:07least two and a half decades we have none.So how shocked you that

0:55:07 > 0:55:10government after government tries a bit to do something but never in the

0:55:10 > 0:55:14end comes up with anything because it is too difficult?We are

0:55:14 > 0:55:18absolutely stunned that, having said this for such a long time, both to

0:55:18 > 0:55:24local government and to national government, we have had this kind of

0:55:24 > 0:55:28cut, cuts, cut, if you like, ongoing. The people who are

0:55:28 > 0:55:31suffering are at the receiving end of this, and the provider sector

0:55:31 > 0:55:37that I represent is having to meet those challenges, despite the fact

0:55:37 > 0:55:42that funding is not in place. So the challenge for us will always be that

0:55:42 > 0:55:45central government needs to understand and to listen to the

0:55:45 > 0:55:50facts. The fact that there, they are blatant, there are numerous reports

0:55:50 > 0:55:55that have said we can't keep cutting social care, but despite it, we get

0:55:55 > 0:55:59it all the time. Health has got to understand about the integration, we

0:55:59 > 0:56:03have got to understand what integration means, and how we can

0:56:03 > 0:56:09save money from actually making it happen.So the Government would say,

0:56:09 > 0:56:13in England and Wales, health funding has been protected, ringfenced, that

0:56:13 > 0:56:18is true, but they have cut social care, hence people end up in

0:56:18 > 0:56:21hospitals, staying there, blocking beds, because there is nowhere for

0:56:21 > 0:56:27them to go in the community. It is just with describing what social

0:56:27 > 0:56:32care is, because not everybody is clear what it means.Social care is

0:56:32 > 0:56:36when people who have vulnerable needs, not just old people...Mostly

0:56:36 > 0:56:41it is.The fastest-growing part of social care is people of working

0:56:41 > 0:56:44age, youngsters who have reached adult food, in a way that might not

0:56:44 > 0:56:48have happened previously through medical science. Which we celebrate,

0:56:48 > 0:56:52of course, and when we have to look at the people, it can be 24-hour

0:56:52 > 0:56:56care or just a little bit of a helping hand, meals on wheels type

0:56:56 > 0:57:00things, but it is helping people make the most of their lives,

0:57:00 > 0:57:04ideally staying in their homes for longer, because that is much better

0:57:04 > 0:57:07value than having to go into full-time care homes. That is what

0:57:07 > 0:57:12social care...How frustrated you that this government is not gripping

0:57:12 > 0:57:20it?We hope that in June they will grip the matter, in the sense of

0:57:20 > 0:57:24recognising that councils, with the local care system that we have, with

0:57:24 > 0:57:31the increases in demand, it is up 15% over the last few years, that is

0:57:31 > 0:57:35what the National Audit Office report says, growing much faster,

0:57:35 > 0:57:39and it suits the government, and successive governments, to make sure

0:57:39 > 0:57:43that huge demand is on local taxpayers, rather than central

0:57:43 > 0:57:47taxation. We have got to the point WEC council tax alone cannot keep

0:57:47 > 0:57:53the lights on

0:57:53 > 0:57:57the lights on in social carewould you say funding levels are at

0:57:57 > 0:57:59dangerous levels?I think they have passed a critical level, they are

0:57:59 > 0:58:04really at the end, and that is where we are seeing care provision

0:58:04 > 0:58:08closing, and that is why you have got more people blocking hospital

0:58:08 > 0:58:14beds. So I think we are past that crisis point, and a solution has to

0:58:14 > 0:58:19be found, and it needs to be sustainable, it can't just be that

0:58:19 > 0:58:22we will put sticking plasters around again and again.Thank you both very

0:58:22 > 0:58:33much. The latest news and sport on the way, but first the weather.

0:58:33 > 0:58:37We have had some snow this morning, lovely pictures, lovely to look at

0:58:37 > 0:58:41if you don't have to travel in it, but some of the snow has been

0:58:41 > 0:58:45heavily across Wales, the Midlands and northern England. Through the

0:58:45 > 0:58:48next couple of hours, continuing to drift steadily eastwards. If you

0:58:48 > 0:58:53haven't got snow, you probably have rain from the same system. When it

0:58:53 > 0:58:57clears, it will brighten up behind it, and for many parts of the UK,

0:58:57 > 0:59:01dry with lengthy spells of sunshine. Some cloud around, producing showers

0:59:01 > 0:59:06in the West. On the hills, it could prove to be wintry. Temperature

0:59:06 > 0:59:13range roughly 5-10 towards the south. This evening and overnight, a

0:59:13 > 0:59:16lot of clear skies means that the temperature will drop quite quickly,

0:59:16 > 0:59:21a widespread frost, and the risk of ice one untreated surfaces. Wintry

0:59:21 > 0:59:26showers across Scotland, and we could also see freezing fog across

0:59:26 > 0:59:31parts of Wales and northern England. Temperatures in towns and cities

0:59:31 > 0:59:36there, lower than this in rural areas. By the end of the night, more

0:59:36 > 0:59:39cloud building in from the south-west, this is an area of low

0:59:39 > 0:59:44pressure which is coming our way, cloudy spilling across southern

0:59:44 > 0:59:47parts of England and Wales, later rain will come in, the wind will

0:59:47 > 0:59:52strengthen. But move away from the south, and other beautiful day, a

0:59:52 > 0:59:56lot of dry weather and sunshine around, wintry showers more

0:59:56 > 1:00:01especially on the hills of Scotland, temperatures roughly 8-10, maybe 11.

1:00:01 > 1:00:07With this area of low pressure, we will be pulling in some milder air,

1:00:07 > 1:00:10and with the cloud and rain, that will migrate northwards as we go

1:00:10 > 1:00:15through the course of the weekend, so we will notice a lift in

1:00:15 > 1:00:19temperatures. Having said that, the weather is not going to be pretty.

1:00:19 > 1:00:24You can see that here in graphical form, on Saturday, as low pressure

1:00:24 > 1:00:28moves north, it brings this cloud and rain, snow on the leading edge

1:00:28 > 1:00:32in Scotland, more especially with height. But look at the

1:00:32 > 1:00:41temperatures, maybe even 14 degrees. In the north of Scotland, 6-7. Then

1:00:41 > 1:00:45by the time we get to Sunday, the low pressure will have pulled this

1:00:45 > 1:00:49weather front into the far north of Scotland, clearing the mainland,

1:00:49 > 1:00:53reducing rain and snow across the Northern Isles. Behind it, there

1:00:53 > 1:00:57will be a lot of cloud. Now, there will be some breaks McLeod, some of

1:00:57 > 1:01:01us will see brighter conditions, but a rash of showers coming in across

1:01:01 > 1:01:05the south-west and Wales, some getting in across southern counties

1:01:05 > 1:01:11too. Some of those could prove to be heavy. Temperatures up to 14 in the

1:01:11 > 1:01:17London area, 11 in Cardiff, looking at nine or ten across parts of

1:01:17 > 1:01:20Scotland in the back and 11 in Northern Ireland, we haven't seen

1:01:20 > 1:01:24that for a while.

1:01:24 > 1:01:30Hello, it's Thursday, it's 10am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

1:01:30 > 1:01:32Counterterrorism officers are working to uncover the origin

1:01:32 > 1:01:34of the nerve agent used in the attempted murder

1:01:34 > 1:01:36of ex-Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter, Yulia.

1:01:36 > 1:01:41We'll be speaking to the person who is considered Vladimir Putin's

1:01:41 > 1:01:45number one enemy.

1:01:45 > 1:01:49When you have the nerve agent, it narrows down the number who could

1:01:49 > 1:01:55have done this crime. Not many organisations in the world have

1:01:55 > 1:02:00access to nerve agents. It is something only a government can do.

1:02:00 > 1:02:06That interview in the next few minutes.

1:02:06 > 1:02:08Suspected domestic abusers could be electronically tagged or banned

1:02:08 > 1:02:10from drinking alcohol under tough new measures being proposed

1:02:10 > 1:02:11to tackle the problem.

1:02:11 > 1:02:14We will discuss that in the next half an hour.

1:02:14 > 1:02:16An urgent investigation has been launched by

1:02:16 > 1:02:18Nottingham Trent University after video of a black student

1:02:18 > 1:02:20being racially abused outside her room appeared online.

1:02:20 > 1:02:22The students suspected of being involved have

1:02:22 > 1:02:30been suspended.

1:02:31 > 1:02:37Good morning. Here is the latest news.

1:02:37 > 1:02:43Good morning.

1:02:44 > 1:02:48The Home Secretary Amber Rudd is due to make a statement in the Commons

1:02:48 > 1:02:52about the suspected murder of Sergei and Yulia Skripal. It is not known

1:02:52 > 1:02:57who could have carried out the attack or word that substance was

1:02:57 > 1:03:00made. Sergei and Yulia Skripal remaining in a quotable condition in

1:03:00 > 1:03:08hospital and a policeman who went to help them is also seriously --

1:03:08 > 1:03:12remain in a critical condition in hospital.This is a serious incident

1:03:12 > 1:03:15which is why we have got the police there in full force and we are

1:03:15 > 1:03:20giving all the support we can, the medical support necessary, to the

1:03:20 > 1:03:25people affected. I am very concerned about the policeman. I would observe

1:03:25 > 1:03:28our chief medical us was that Sally Davies has said the rest of the

1:03:28 > 1:03:32public is low so I would urge the public to take comfort from that --

1:03:32 > 1:03:36Chief Medical Officer. We have been ready for a while for a number of

1:03:36 > 1:03:39different types of terrorist activity and we're making sure we

1:03:39 > 1:03:43give the public support and contain the dissident the incident and have

1:03:43 > 1:03:53the evidence so that when we come to it, we will know what to do.

1:03:53 > 1:03:54Suspected domestic abusers could be electronically tagged,

1:03:54 > 1:03:56as part of new government proposals.

1:03:56 > 1:03:58A consultation has been launched on a set of measures

1:03:58 > 1:04:01for England and Wales, which also include the first legal

1:04:01 > 1:04:02definition of economic abuse and a commissioner

1:04:02 > 1:04:03to oversee the issue.

1:04:03 > 1:04:05The Government is also suggesting tougher sentences

1:04:05 > 1:04:07for cases involving children, and possible court orders

1:04:07 > 1:04:10which could include tagging or alcohol bans.

1:04:10 > 1:04:13Nottingham Trent University say they have suspended students

1:04:13 > 1:04:20accused of racist chanting at a young black female student.

1:04:24 > 1:04:28Rufaro Chisango was alone in her room on Monday night

1:04:28 > 1:04:32when she heard the drunken students shouting and put a video of

1:04:32 > 1:04:38the abuse up on Twitter yesterday.

1:04:38 > 1:04:41Two teenagers have died and two children are among

1:04:41 > 1:04:43the injured after a three-car crash in North Yorkshire.

1:04:43 > 1:04:46The boys, believed to be aged 17, died at the scene on the A61

1:04:46 > 1:04:47near Thirsk, last night.

1:04:47 > 1:04:49Five adults and two children were taken to hospital.

1:04:49 > 1:04:53Police have appealed for anyone who saw what happened to get in touch.

1:04:53 > 1:04:58The trial of a Danish man accused of murdering a female

1:04:58 > 1:05:02journalist aboard his homemade submarine and then

1:05:02 > 1:05:06cutting up her corpse has opened in Copenhagen.

1:05:06 > 1:05:08Inventor Peter Madsen admits dismembering Kim Wall's body,

1:05:08 > 1:05:10and throwing it out to sea, but denies killing her.

1:05:10 > 1:05:13Ms Wall was working on a story about Madsen when she went

1:05:13 > 1:05:19missing last August.

1:05:19 > 1:05:21Bonuses for 84,000 staff at John Lewis

1:05:21 > 1:05:27and Waitrose have been cut for the fifth year in a row.

1:05:28 > 1:05:32There was a dramatic fall in profits. Employees will get a 5%

1:05:32 > 1:05:38bonus, down from 6% last year.

1:05:38 > 1:05:41The announcement comes after it posted a 77% fall

1:05:41 > 1:05:45in pre-tax profits to £103.9 million for the year to the end of January.

1:05:45 > 1:05:49That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.30.

1:05:49 > 1:05:53The latest sport in the moment.

1:05:53 > 1:05:58After 10.30 - we're focusing on International Women's Day -

1:05:58 > 1:06:00and we'll be asking these women what's the best thing

1:06:00 > 1:06:04about being a woman in 2018.

1:06:04 > 1:06:10That is after half past ten. You can tell me what you think is being --

1:06:10 > 1:06:16what you think is the best thing about being a woman in 2018. Many of

1:06:16 > 1:06:21you have been getting in touch about the racist incident at Nottingham

1:06:21 > 1:06:26Trent R Crean Vestey. My daughter is at this university, I am appalled to

1:06:26 > 1:06:32see this -- Nottingham Trent University. This happened to my

1:06:32 > 1:06:35daughter, my daughter had to leave her room and take a break from her

1:06:35 > 1:06:41course because it's caused her so much stress and she had a breakdown.

1:06:41 > 1:06:48Someone at the University has to support the students. An anonymous

1:06:48 > 1:06:52text, they should be expelled. Keep your comments coming in.

1:06:52 > 1:06:54Here's some sport now with Hugh.

1:06:54 > 1:06:57England have named their team for Le Crunch this weekend -

1:06:57 > 1:06:59the crucial meeting with France in rugby union's Six

1:06:59 > 1:07:00Nations this weekend.

1:07:00 > 1:07:03Captain Dylan Hartley will miss the match with a calf injury -

1:07:03 > 1:07:05he's replaced at hooker by Jamie George.

1:07:05 > 1:07:10Elliot Daly, scoring here, returns on the wing,

1:07:10 > 1:07:12while Owen Farrell will skipper the side in Hartley's absence

1:07:12 > 1:07:19for the match in Paris on Saturday.

1:07:19 > 1:07:32Difficult night for Tottenham in the Champions League last night.

1:07:32 > 1:07:40Juventus defender Giorgio Chiellini said they were fragile mentally.

1:07:48 > 1:07:54Mauricio Pochettino responded to some criticism they have had.Lack

1:07:54 > 1:07:56of experience, lack of concentration, with how many chances

1:07:56 > 1:08:04we conceded... On the first leg and the second leg today, I think we

1:08:04 > 1:08:08conceded three chances and they scored twice and we played a lot of

1:08:08 > 1:08:14chances and we only scored one. Phil Neville has urged his players to

1:08:14 > 1:08:18remember the pain of missing out on winning the She Believes Cup last

1:08:18 > 1:08:28night.

1:08:28 > 1:08:30Needing at least a draw, they were beaten 1-0

1:08:30 > 1:08:38by the United States in Orlando.

1:08:40 > 1:08:46The opportunity we get to build and try to entertain as well, we have to

1:08:46 > 1:08:54use our strengths to the best we can and I feel like Phil allows us to do

1:08:54 > 1:08:57that and he instilled belief in what we are doing, really excited because

1:08:57 > 1:09:01we have been together a few weeks and we have already made quite a lot

1:09:01 > 1:09:06of progress. A lot of exciting things to come, I think. Snowboarder

1:09:06 > 1:09:13Owen Pick has been selected for the GB flag bearer for the Paralympics

1:09:13 > 1:09:15Winter

1:09:15 > 1:09:20GB flag bearer for the Paralympics Winter.The Russian athletes have

1:09:20 > 1:09:23not been fully reinstated as an Olympic and Paralympic nation just

1:09:23 > 1:09:31yet, but the athletes he believes are clean...We have been working

1:09:31 > 1:09:36through independent task force with the Russian Paralympic committee,

1:09:36 > 1:09:41and we have criteria agreed for their reinstatement, they have not

1:09:41 > 1:09:46met it yet, but the progress they have made, and when we took the

1:09:46 > 1:09:50decision in January, 18 months after Rio de Janeiro, the situation has

1:09:50 > 1:09:54changed, we are now in a situation where we can say with some degree of

1:09:54 > 1:09:57confidence that athletes competing here are as clean as any other

1:09:57 > 1:10:03athletes.That is all the sport for now. More later on.

1:10:03 > 1:10:06It's now known that a nerve agent was used in the suspected poisoning

1:10:06 > 1:10:08of a former Russian double agent and his daughter.

1:10:08 > 1:10:11Sergei and Yulia Skripal were found unconscious in Salisbury on Sunday

1:10:11 > 1:10:15afternoon and remain critically ill.

1:10:15 > 1:10:19The Russian Government has said the incident is being used

1:10:19 > 1:10:24as provocation as part of an anti-Russian smear campaign.

1:10:24 > 1:10:27A British police officer is also being treated in hospital.

1:10:27 > 1:10:30This morning, I spoke with Bill Browder -

1:10:30 > 1:10:33who was once described as Vladimir Putin's number one enemy

1:10:33 > 1:10:41and deported from Russia for exposing corruption there .

1:10:41 > 1:10:43And Sir Tony Brenton, the UK's former ambassador

1:10:43 > 1:10:45to Moscow from 2004 to 2008.

1:10:45 > 1:10:49I asked first of all how they reacted to the news and nerve agent

1:10:49 > 1:10:54had been used to poison Sergei Skripal and his daughter.The fact

1:10:54 > 1:10:57they have used effectively a chemical weapon is highly

1:10:57 > 1:11:02significant. Everyone was saying, slowdown, do not blame anyone, do

1:11:02 > 1:11:07not blame the Russians, when you have a chemical weapon, a nerve

1:11:07 > 1:11:10agent, that totally narrows the possibility of who could have done

1:11:10 > 1:11:15this crime, there are not that many organisations in the world that have

1:11:15 > 1:11:21access to nerve agents. Generally a government type of... It is

1:11:21 > 1:11:25something only a government can do. Because you cannot knock up a nerve

1:11:25 > 1:11:30agent in your garden shed, it has to be a proper lab, potentially

1:11:30 > 1:11:35state-sponsored?Just like the polonium 210 back in the day with

1:11:35 > 1:11:41Litvinenko, sarin or some similar type of thing, it is something only

1:11:41 > 1:11:44a high level and malicious government could use because it is

1:11:44 > 1:11:49not even something... We are trying to eliminate chemical weapons in the

1:11:49 > 1:11:53world and we know that North Korea uses them, Assad uses them and

1:11:53 > 1:11:59Russia has access to them.We do not know it is sarin yet, we just know,

1:11:59 > 1:12:04we have confirmation it is some kind of nerve agent. Tony Brenton, how do

1:12:04 > 1:12:09you react to the fact the nerve agent has been used?I agree with

1:12:09 > 1:12:12Bill, it immensely increases the probability it was the Russian

1:12:12 > 1:12:15government that did it. Nevertheless, the British

1:12:15 > 1:12:18authorities will be looking for more substantive proof of a link between

1:12:18 > 1:12:21the use of the agent and the Russians in particular. It is worth

1:12:21 > 1:12:25noting it is not only government to use this, sarin was used on the

1:12:25 > 1:12:30Tokyo Metro a few years ago. Nevertheless, the high property as

1:12:30 > 1:12:35it is the

1:12:41 > 1:12:43Russians and the probability.We need evidence.We need evidence to

1:12:43 > 1:12:46go to court but if we want to determine what to do for public

1:12:46 > 1:12:49safety, we need to make some assumptions. We should not wait five

1:12:49 > 1:12:51years to come to a conclusion. If Putin and Russia have been using

1:12:51 > 1:12:54chemical weapons in this country, and we believe there is a high

1:12:54 > 1:12:58probably do we have done so, that necessitates an urgent policy

1:12:58 > 1:13:05response, you cannot just say, let us wait until it is proven. If there

1:13:05 > 1:13:09is a 75% probability, 80% probability, it may not hold up in

1:13:09 > 1:13:12court, but in terms of policy response, how you deal with this,

1:13:12 > 1:13:16approach Russia, deal with public safety, we should be thinking about

1:13:16 > 1:13:21that right this second.What is an urgent policy response in your view?

1:13:21 > 1:13:25There are many Russian sleeper agents that we are aware of in this

1:13:25 > 1:13:32country...Explain to us what a sleeper agent is.Russia has people

1:13:32 > 1:13:37that work in the embassy and they have people who go about their

1:13:37 > 1:13:42regular day-to-day lives here pretending they are just bankers,

1:13:42 > 1:13:45accountants, journalists, whatever. This is an act of terrorism.And in

1:13:45 > 1:13:50fact, they are what, spies?They are spies. Remember Anna Chapman here in

1:13:50 > 1:13:55London before she went to New York, the famous female spy, she was

1:13:55 > 1:14:03working at Barclays Bank, so at this point, this is a major terrorist

1:14:03 > 1:14:10incident and we should be using our prevention of terror tools to figure

1:14:10 > 1:14:14out exactly what the Russians are up to because this is not a low-level

1:14:14 > 1:14:19matter. People are potentially going to die from this.Would you agree

1:14:19 > 1:14:24with that assessment, said Tony Brenton?I agree with Bill it is the

1:14:24 > 1:14:29terrorist incident. I dealt with the Litvinenko affair in 2006 and there

1:14:29 > 1:14:34are lots of parallels. There were public safety issues because the

1:14:34 > 1:14:38Russians used polonium that time, a radioactive poison. We took the

1:14:38 > 1:14:42decision that the likelihood of an early repetition was low so the

1:14:42 > 1:14:48threat to public safety was low. And we took the view too that in order

1:14:48 > 1:14:53to act effectively, to minimise the possibility of a recurrence, we

1:14:53 > 1:14:57needed clear evidence as possible to get that it was the Russians and

1:14:57 > 1:15:01then we set out the policies in response. I am sure the authorities

1:15:01 > 1:15:04will take exactly the same approach this time. You look at the evidence,

1:15:04 > 1:15:08assemble what you hope is a clear case that it is the Russians, and if

1:15:08 > 1:15:13it is, it is not yet proven, but highly probable, and then you have a

1:15:13 > 1:15:17firm basis for your own national response but also seeking wider

1:15:17 > 1:15:24international support for what you do.Go on.Can I react to that? Tony

1:15:24 > 1:15:29and I have known each other for a long time and...You disagree?I

1:15:29 > 1:15:35totally disagree. The Litvinenko is an exact case study in how not to

1:15:35 > 1:15:41manage this. He'll have a situation where we have proven, a High Court

1:15:41 > 1:15:45judge, the FSB, the Russian secret police, it was behind a nuclear

1:15:45 > 1:15:50attack in the centre of London...It took a number of years for that.We

1:15:50 > 1:15:55took no action in this country. As a result, it laid out the welcome mat

1:15:55 > 1:15:59to do more hits in this country. It is not just this one we are talking

1:15:59 > 1:16:05about, there was a man who died jogging outside his home in Surrey

1:16:05 > 1:16:08after exposing the Russian government in major financial

1:16:08 > 1:16:16crimes. Same thing. No consequence. If you create a situation, all this

1:16:16 > 1:16:19gentlemanly behaviour, let us wait and see and maybe do something,

1:16:19 > 1:16:26maybe not... It does not work.Could I respond to that? I do not want to

1:16:26 > 1:16:30get into an argument with Bill, on television, for whom I have the

1:16:30 > 1:16:33highest esteem, but the statement we had no response to the Litvinenko

1:16:33 > 1:16:37affair is wrong. We put together a package of sanctions designed to

1:16:37 > 1:16:40discourage the Russians from doing this kind of thing.It did not work,

1:16:40 > 1:16:46it would seem.

1:16:46 > 1:16:49The only plausible case since Litvinenko whether the oceans may

1:16:49 > 1:16:54have acted is now, but Sergei Skripal, we are still testing that,

1:16:54 > 1:16:59and that has been 12 years since Litvinenko, the background political

1:16:59 > 1:17:02situation has changed completely. Cases like Perepilichny and others,

1:17:02 > 1:17:06of course, have been around. It is worth emphasising that those cases

1:17:06 > 1:17:09have been properly investigated by police, and they have concluded

1:17:09 > 1:17:15there is not enough evidence of a link for us to make it.Earlier this

1:17:15 > 1:17:18week, you told MPs that the Kremlin most likely wants you dead, you were

1:17:18 > 1:17:23asked how you were still here, what is the answer?The Kremlin doesn't

1:17:23 > 1:17:29like to get caught killing people, so Tony's logic is exactly what they

1:17:29 > 1:17:35are feeding into, which is, unless it can be proven, they can get away

1:17:35 > 1:17:38with it. So far they have not figured out a way to kill me without

1:17:38 > 1:17:43getting caught, and I'm sure... Sorry to interrupt, not that I know

1:17:43 > 1:17:47much about this, but they could simply spray a nerve agent in your

1:17:47 > 1:17:51face.This is why this is so terrifying. At the moment, nobody

1:17:51 > 1:17:55has tried to shoot at me or blow me up, but this nerve agent stuff, the

1:17:55 > 1:17:59fact that they can do it in a foreign country and get away with it

1:17:59 > 1:18:04is terrifying, for me and every other person that is at odds with

1:18:04 > 1:18:08the Russian government.How do you protect yourself? At any moment, in

1:18:08 > 1:18:13a bar or restaurant, your food or drink could be spiked, you could be

1:18:13 > 1:18:16walking to the station, somebody drops something on your skin.That

1:18:16 > 1:18:21the whole purpose of what they have done here, it is called terrorism,

1:18:21 > 1:18:25to try to create terror in everyone of their enemies, and people say,

1:18:25 > 1:18:31why do they do this to this man? The answer is he was probably a tiny

1:18:31 > 1:18:34part of why they did it, they did it to say to everybody else, here is

1:18:34 > 1:18:39what we are capable of.How worried are you for your safety?I don't

1:18:39 > 1:18:43spend my life living in fear, because that would mean they

1:18:43 > 1:18:47succeed, but I take precautions to make sure they don't kill me.Wow.

1:18:47 > 1:18:53You said that so matter of factly.I have been living with it for eight

1:18:53 > 1:18:59and our peers.You may not want to tell me... I am not asking about

1:18:59 > 1:19:02physical measures, but psychologically what impact has it

1:19:02 > 1:19:07had on you?I am a perfectly happy person, working on a mission to get

1:19:07 > 1:19:12justice for Sergei Magnitsky, my lawyer, who was killed in Russia,

1:19:12 > 1:19:16and we are succeeding in getting sanctions and laws named after him,

1:19:16 > 1:19:21all over the world, including here in the UK. And I am on a righteous

1:19:21 > 1:19:26mission to do that. That is very satisfying.And the practical effect

1:19:26 > 1:19:31of sanctions, does it have an effect on President Putin?He is a very

1:19:31 > 1:19:35rich man. He is very rich from crimes in which he has stolen money

1:19:35 > 1:19:40from his own country, and he values money more than human like, so if

1:19:40 > 1:19:47you go after his money, that is something he takes seriously.

1:19:47 > 1:19:53Still to come - today is International Women's Day.

1:19:53 > 1:19:57We want to ask this group of women and girls what is the best thing

1:19:57 > 1:20:00about being a woman in Britain in 2018, and the follow-up, what is the

1:20:00 > 1:20:08worst? We will bring you the latest news and sport and about ten

1:20:08 > 1:20:11minutes' time. But before that, we're talking about domestic abuse.

1:20:11 > 1:20:1482 women and 13 men were killed by their partner or former partner

1:20:14 > 1:20:16in 2016-17 in England and Wales, according to Theresa May.

1:20:16 > 1:20:18Today the Government is launching

1:20:18 > 1:20:20what it calls a "once in a generation opportunity"

1:20:20 > 1:20:23to protect victims of domestic abuse.

1:20:23 > 1:20:29Our correspondent Lucinda Adams is here.

1:20:29 > 1:20:33OK, let's talk through the proposals, what is being suggested?

1:20:33 > 1:20:38Well, ministers want to add to powers to act faster, so if they

1:20:38 > 1:20:42suspect abuse, at quite an early stage, they can ask the abuser to

1:20:42 > 1:20:45wear an electronic tag or ban them from drinking alcohol or taking

1:20:45 > 1:20:50drugs. They can also make them seek treatment for addiction to those

1:20:50 > 1:20:53substances or go to behaviour classes to try to change their

1:20:53 > 1:20:58attitudes. If they breach these orders, they will be arrested.OK.

1:20:58 > 1:21:01And there is going to be a definition of domestic abuse which

1:21:01 > 1:21:06will include, for the first time, economic abuse, what does that mean?

1:21:06 > 1:21:15We know that abuse takes many forms, physical and sexual, more recently

1:21:15 > 1:21:17we have become aware of psychological and emotional abuse,

1:21:17 > 1:21:20what we call coercive control, but for the first time economic abuse

1:21:20 > 1:21:23will be recognised, controlling someone's finances, restricting

1:21:23 > 1:21:27access to their money, preventing them from getting a job, causing

1:21:27 > 1:21:32them to lose it, or even running up debts in their name. Ultimately, it

1:21:32 > 1:21:34means the person can't support themselves and becomes more

1:21:34 > 1:21:40dependent on their partner.And for domestic abuse cases involving

1:21:40 > 1:21:43children, there will be more stringent sentences for the

1:21:43 > 1:21:47perpetrator.That is right. Unfortunately, one in five children

1:21:47 > 1:21:52are exposed to domestic abuse, and they want to make sure that when

1:21:52 > 1:21:56sentences are being handed out, it is seen as an aggravating factor, so

1:21:56 > 1:22:00the sentences are tougher. That is because it is thought that children

1:22:00 > 1:22:04exposed to domestic express for more likely to experience abuse by a

1:22:04 > 1:22:08partner as an adult, Anderson today and £80 million fund is being

1:22:08 > 1:22:13announced to support children who have been exposed to domestic abuse.

1:22:13 > 1:22:19-- and so today and £80 million fund is being announced.

1:22:19 > 1:22:21Let's get reaction now from Katie Ghose.

1:22:21 > 1:22:23She's chief executive of Women's Aid,

1:22:23 > 1:22:24which supports victims of abuse.

1:22:24 > 1:22:27And Mark Brooks, from the charity ManKind Initiative, which helps men

1:22:27 > 1:22:30escape violent relationships.

1:22:30 > 1:22:34OK, where'd you want to start with these proposals? Let's start with

1:22:34 > 1:22:39the new domestic abuse protection orders, enabling courts to impose a

1:22:39 > 1:22:44range of restrictions, as Lucinda said, banning them from contacting

1:22:44 > 1:22:47victims, from drinking, wearing a tag potentially, don't we already

1:22:47 > 1:22:51have that in injunctions?There are some orders in place already, but we

1:22:51 > 1:22:59welcome the gaze going from the victims to the perpetrators, we

1:22:59 > 1:23:03welcome the direction the Government is going, but whilst the police and

1:23:03 > 1:23:07courts are essential, many women won't be able to go to them, so it

1:23:07 > 1:23:11is important that it is everyone's business, get all the agencies

1:23:11 > 1:23:15involved in protecting and preventing this awful crime.And how

1:23:15 > 1:23:20do you react? Above very similarly, and what is important is that this

1:23:20 > 1:23:25really makes a change in opportunity to see domestic abuse not only is

1:23:25 > 1:23:29everyone's businessbut as an issue that affects women and men, and also

1:23:29 > 1:23:34children as well. So I think this will be game changing in the way

1:23:34 > 1:23:38that society actually views domestic abuse.I am interested that you say

1:23:38 > 1:23:45because this idea of the suspect, the perpetrator, being banned from

1:23:45 > 1:23:48contacting victims. Injunctions are supposed to do that. I have

1:23:48 > 1:23:53interviewed so many women over the years to say, well, my violent ex

1:23:53 > 1:23:56breached the injection, the police didn't do anything, because they are

1:23:56 > 1:24:00really busy and resources are stretched, they won't spend time

1:24:00 > 1:24:04chasing him up for breaching the injection, so the women feel

1:24:04 > 1:24:08vulnerable again.This is why we are pleased to see the Government

1:24:08 > 1:24:17consulting on criminalising breach. We hear this time and again,

1:24:17 > 1:24:18We hear this time and again, and there have been awful situations,

1:24:18 > 1:24:20relationship abuse happens after relationships are over as well, that

1:24:20 > 1:24:21can be very dangerous, so criminalisation of breaching the

1:24:21 > 1:24:28order, that is another tool in the box for police.OK. The definition

1:24:28 > 1:24:34for domestic abuse now including economic abuse, which... We do have

1:24:34 > 1:24:36existing measures which recognise financial abuse, but this will

1:24:36 > 1:24:42reportedly include depriving some of your food, clothing, transport - you

1:24:42 > 1:24:46welcome that?Absolutely, that is an issue mark that has been overlooked

1:24:46 > 1:24:55for too long now, often society and police and others view domestic

1:24:55 > 1:25:00abuse has been just about violence, but it is more than that,

1:25:00 > 1:25:03psychological, and economic is really important, and that is

1:25:03 > 1:25:08included, because when that is now included, it means that we will have

1:25:08 > 1:25:13a broader view of domestic abuse, and we recognise that it is not just

1:25:13 > 1:25:17about the violence.Katie, just explain, because some people don't

1:25:17 > 1:25:21understand, how does this really happen, that one person could stop

1:25:21 > 1:25:27their partner from getting access to their bank account or being able to

1:25:27 > 1:25:32take the car out? They don't believe that is a reality.Power and control

1:25:32 > 1:25:35is at the heart of domestic abuse, and that is why we are really

1:25:35 > 1:25:41pleased to see the spotlight on economic and financial abuse. It can

1:25:41 > 1:25:45take all forms, from taking charge of somebody's wages right through to

1:25:45 > 1:25:48committing benefit fraud in their name, so it is important that we

1:25:48 > 1:25:52understand that. I know from talking to survivors, sometimes the

1:25:52 > 1:25:58financial control is an early warning sign that other abuse and

1:25:58 > 1:26:03control will follow, physical and sexual will come later on, and that

1:26:03 > 1:26:07is horrific too.And this proposal, they are all proposals to be

1:26:07 > 1:26:11consulted on over the next few months, that if children are

1:26:11 > 1:26:14involved, the sentence could potentially be more stringent.I

1:26:14 > 1:26:21think that is very welcome. I mean, for far too long, actually, the

1:26:21 > 1:26:25effect on children has been overlooked, the focus has been on

1:26:25 > 1:26:29the adults, whether as perpetrators or victims, but the effect on

1:26:29 > 1:26:33children has to be taken into account, so stronger and tougher

1:26:33 > 1:26:39sentences in these cases really will be welcomed, they send a strong

1:26:39 > 1:26:43message, and again change society's view of who the victims are of

1:26:43 > 1:26:47domestic abuse.Would they act as more of a deterrent, more stringent

1:26:47 > 1:26:52sentences if children are involved? It is possible, it sends out a

1:26:52 > 1:26:55signal that children are often not seen or heard. It is amazing, I

1:26:55 > 1:26:59spend a lot of time visiting refuges, and over half of the

1:26:59 > 1:27:03residents are children, and yet the resources are not always there for

1:27:03 > 1:27:12them to get the help they need, which is why we need more action

1:27:12 > 1:27:14which is why we need more action on this as well.I wanted to ask about

1:27:14 > 1:27:16refugees, because while the Government is launching these

1:27:16 > 1:27:21proposals, people who run refugees? Refuges are criticising the

1:27:21 > 1:27:24Government for removing the ability for housing benefit to be used to

1:27:24 > 1:27:31pay for a place, so those who run them say they depend 50% for fans on

1:27:31 > 1:27:34housing benefit, refuges will have to close. What you think of the

1:27:34 > 1:27:39Government doing that on one hand but then that on the other?These

1:27:39 > 1:27:41are risky proposals, dangerous proposals, but we are pleased that

1:27:41 > 1:27:45the Government has said they are listening, they want there to be a

1:27:45 > 1:27:49sustainable solution for the future of refuges and other domestic abuse

1:27:49 > 1:27:53services as well. We need them to take the next step and give a

1:27:53 > 1:27:56cast-iron guarantee that the risky proposals that would take a local

1:27:56 > 1:27:59approach to what has to be a national network of services will

1:27:59 > 1:28:03come off the table and we can work together to find a sustainable

1:28:03 > 1:28:08solution.The statement I have does not suggest it will come off the

1:28:08 > 1:28:11table, it says, yes, we are looking for a sustainable funding model

1:28:11 > 1:28:17without a postcode lottery, we have provided 20 million for

1:28:17 > 1:28:20accommodation based services.Demand already outstrips supply, 94 women

1:28:20 > 1:28:25and 90 children were turned away one day last year in England alone, so

1:28:25 > 1:28:28we want to work with the Government to find a solution that means that

1:28:28 > 1:28:34every survivor gets the help they need.This anonymous e-mail, one

1:28:34 > 1:28:39topic I have not seen raises that some people do not want to prosecute

1:28:39 > 1:28:42their violent or controlling partners because their children

1:28:42 > 1:28:46would be financially penalised. My ex-husband had a very good career,

1:28:46 > 1:28:50and whilst I gave my nap to have my children, if I had publicly

1:28:50 > 1:28:53criminalised him, when we left him, he would have lost his job and our

1:28:53 > 1:28:59children would not have had much to live on. I mean, what can you do

1:28:59 > 1:29:03about that? What is the advice there?This just shows the

1:29:03 > 1:29:06complexities and the levels of control and abuse that happen in a

1:29:06 > 1:29:10relationship and outside the relationship as well. Many women

1:29:10 > 1:29:13have a well founded fear that their children will be taken away from

1:29:13 > 1:29:17them, that they will be blamed for the crime, instead of the

1:29:17 > 1:29:20perpetrator, and that is why we welcome the Government putting the

1:29:20 > 1:29:23days of the perpetrator, instead of the victim being told to take care

1:29:23 > 1:29:29of herself and her safety.Thank you both very much.

1:29:29 > 1:29:32The NHS in England has released its latest figures

1:29:32 > 1:29:34showing how well the country's A&E departments and hospitals

1:29:34 > 1:29:37are coping with winter pressures.

1:29:37 > 1:29:43Our health editor, Hugh Pym, is here.

1:29:44 > 1:29:48Where are you? Oh, you are there! Shall I come over? Shall I stay

1:29:48 > 1:29:56here!I can talk from here I can fill us in!

1:29:56 > 1:30:02The latest figures from the NHS in England for February and January, a

1:30:02 > 1:30:04difficult winter with pressures on hospitals and GPs and patiently mat

1:30:04 > 1:30:10waiting longer, in England, the number of patients being treated and

1:30:10 > 1:30:17assessed in the target, for hours, in A&E units, February fell a bit

1:30:17 > 1:30:27even from January. Wilson know how many routine operations and

1:30:27 > 1:30:31procedures was postponed -- we also know. There was any doubt, but

1:30:31 > 1:30:34everything not urgent on hold because of a shortage of beds,

1:30:34 > 1:30:42because of the real pressures for emergency care. NHS are saying

1:30:42 > 1:30:4523,000 fewer routine operations were carried out in England in January

1:30:45 > 1:30:50than the previous January which was itself very pressurised.What about

1:30:50 > 1:30:56A&E, why are the wait so long?It is a continuation of pressures we saw

1:30:56 > 1:31:02in January, flu was a lot worse this year, more cases admitted to

1:31:02 > 1:31:07hospital as a result of influenza, more people going to GPs. NHS

1:31:07 > 1:31:11England said that continued in February. More cases of Nora virus,

1:31:11 > 1:31:16cold weather at the end of February, but the general picture, as we have

1:31:16 > 1:31:19said so many times, the extreme pressure on the NHS, issues with

1:31:19 > 1:31:23social care, people being stuck in hospital when they are ready to

1:31:23 > 1:31:28leave, fewer beds for people coming in, all of the bigger picture

1:31:28 > 1:31:33pressure on the health service. Thank you very much.

1:31:33 > 1:31:36Still to come...

1:31:36 > 1:31:44What is the best thing about being a woman or a girl in 2018? That is one

1:31:44 > 1:31:54of the questions we asking as it is International Women's Day.

1:31:54 > 1:31:56Amazon are working to fix Alexa after users reported that random

1:31:56 > 1:31:59bursts of creepy laughter have been coming from the device.

1:31:59 > 1:32:05We will talk about that in the next half an hour. The headlines now on

1:32:05 > 1:32:07BBC News.

1:32:07 > 1:32:10The Home Secretary, Amber Rudd, is due to make a statement this

1:32:10 > 1:32:13lunchtime in the House of Commons about the nerve agent used

1:32:13 > 1:32:15in the attempted murder of a former Russian spy and his daughter.

1:32:15 > 1:32:18While police have now identified the type of chemical,

1:32:18 > 1:32:21it's not yet known where it was made or who could have

1:32:21 > 1:32:22carried out the attack.

1:32:22 > 1:32:24Sergei and Yulia Skripal remain in a critical condition in hospital.

1:32:24 > 1:32:28A policeman who went to help them was also seriously injured.

1:32:28 > 1:32:30Nottingham Trent University says it has suspended

1:32:30 > 1:32:32students accused of racist chanting apparently aimed at a young

1:32:32 > 1:32:38black female student.

1:32:38 > 1:32:43We hate blacks.

1:32:43 > 1:32:44Rufaro Chisango was alone

1:32:44 > 1:32:47in her room on Monday night when she heard the drunken

1:32:47 > 1:32:49students shouting and put a video of the abuse up

1:32:49 > 1:32:50on Twitter yesterday.

1:32:50 > 1:32:52Suspected domestic abusers could be electronically tagged,

1:32:52 > 1:32:56as part of new government proposals.

1:32:56 > 1:32:59A consultation has been launched on a set of measures

1:32:59 > 1:33:01for England and Wales, which also include the first legal

1:33:01 > 1:33:03definition of economic abuse and a commissioner

1:33:03 > 1:33:06to oversee the issue.

1:33:06 > 1:33:08The Government is also suggesting tougher sentences

1:33:08 > 1:33:10for cases involving children, and possible court orders

1:33:10 > 1:33:13which could include tagging or alcohol bans.

1:33:13 > 1:33:16Two teenagers have died and two children are among

1:33:16 > 1:33:20the injured after a three-car crash in North Yorkshire.

1:33:20 > 1:33:23The boys, believed to be aged 17, died at the scene on the A61

1:33:23 > 1:33:24near Thirsk, last night.

1:33:24 > 1:33:27Five adults and two children were taken to hospital.

1:33:27 > 1:33:32Police have appealed for anyone who saw what happened to get in touch.

1:33:32 > 1:33:36The trial of a Danish man accused of murdering a female

1:33:36 > 1:33:38journalist aboard his homemade submarine, and then

1:33:38 > 1:33:42cutting up her corpse, has opened in Copenhagen.

1:33:42 > 1:33:44Inventor Peter Madsen admits dismembering Kim Wall's body,

1:33:44 > 1:33:49and throwing it out to sea, but denies killing her.

1:33:49 > 1:33:51She was working on a story about Madsen when she went

1:33:51 > 1:33:52missing last August.

1:33:52 > 1:33:56That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

1:33:56 > 1:34:02Here's some sport now with Hugh.

1:34:02 > 1:34:07Eddie Jones has named his team for the crucial meeting with France in

1:34:07 > 1:34:11rugby Union's Six Nations this weekend. Captain Dylan Hartley will

1:34:11 > 1:34:16miss the match, first time under Jones, calf injury, replaced at

1:34:16 > 1:34:21hooker by Jamie George, Owen Farrell will skipper the side. Tottenham

1:34:21 > 1:34:28boss Mauricio Pochettino denied his lack of experience was to blame for

1:34:28 > 1:34:32their Champions League exit at the hands of Juventus.

1:34:32 > 1:34:34The Italian champions go through to the quarterfinals

1:34:34 > 1:34:36after their 2-1 win

1:34:36 > 1:34:36at Wembley yesterday sealed

1:34:36 > 1:34:37a 4-3 aggregate victory.

1:34:37 > 1:34:39Paulo Dybala scored the decider.

1:34:39 > 1:34:41Manchester City boss Pep Guardiola said his team forgot to attack

1:34:41 > 1:34:43as they lost 2-1 to FC basel.

1:34:43 > 1:34:46City do make it through to the quarters 5-2 on aggregate

1:34:46 > 1:34:48but were beaten at home for the first time since 2016.

1:34:48 > 1:34:52Phil Neville has urged his players to remember the pain of missing out

1:34:52 > 1:34:57on winning their She Believes Cup. They needed a draw against the US

1:34:57 > 1:35:04but they were beaten in Orlando. More after 11.

1:35:04 > 1:35:06Some people are saying their Amazon Alexa device has

1:35:06 > 1:35:08been been letting out an unprompted, creepy cackle.

1:35:08 > 1:35:16Let's hear it now.

1:35:24 > 1:35:27The laugh, described by some as witch-like, is reported

1:35:27 > 1:35:29to happen even without the device being given the wake-up command.

1:35:29 > 1:35:32Voice assistants like Alexa are designed to respond or act only

1:35:32 > 1:35:34when prompted with a wake word, but this apparent glitch

1:35:34 > 1:35:36is happening without any prior interaction.

1:35:36 > 1:35:38Here's what some people on Twitter have been saying.

1:35:38 > 1:35:40Gavin on Twitter said, "Lying in bed about to fall asleep

1:35:40 > 1:35:43when Alexa lets out a very loud and creepy laugh."

1:35:43 > 1:35:45"There's a good chance I might get murdered tonight."

1:35:45 > 1:35:48Kat tweeted to say, "So I just used my Alexa to set a two-minute

1:35:48 > 1:35:52timer while trying to do a plank, and I asked how much time I had

1:35:52 > 1:35:57left and she laughed."

1:35:57 > 1:35:58@malarkeysalad on Twitter said, "Alexa just randomly laughing

1:35:58 > 1:36:03and there is no-one talking in my house."

1:36:03 > 1:36:06The tweets are ahead of me.

1:36:06 > 1:36:08"My cat and I just looked at each other like..."

1:36:08 > 1:36:11And Kamo tweeted to say his Alexa was also behaving oddly.

1:36:11 > 1:36:13He said, "This creepy thing happened last night."

1:36:13 > 1:36:16"I got home and, totally unprompted, our Amazon Alexa started talking.

1:36:16 > 1:36:18And then I realised it was listing off local

1:36:18 > 1:36:19cemeteries and funeral homes."

1:36:19 > 1:36:21"I'd rather it laughed at me, to be honest."

1:36:21 > 1:36:29Amazon said it was aware of the problem and was working to fix it.

1:36:31 > 1:36:35We have talked a lot on this programme about the difficulties

1:36:35 > 1:36:38people with disabilities face getting around on public transport.

1:36:38 > 1:36:42Improvements have been made in recent years to accessibility at

1:36:42 > 1:36:46London Underground stations and there are now more than 70 which are

1:36:46 > 1:36:50either fully accessible or offer some form of step free access. But

1:36:50 > 1:36:54people with mobility issues continue to have problems using the transport

1:36:54 > 1:37:00system. Have a look at this. I work at the BBC and I am a wheelchair

1:37:00 > 1:37:04user.The Government wants disabled people like me to have a normal

1:37:04 > 1:37:12life, so do I. TFL has spent money upgrading Tottenham Court Road in

1:37:12 > 1:37:19the centre of London. It is now fully accessible and step free, but

1:37:19 > 1:37:25I have found it is not always the case. This is me on my way to work.

1:37:25 > 1:37:33I can easily get on at Stratford, but I Tottenham Court Road, the only

1:37:33 > 1:37:38way I can get on and off is by asking random passengers to help me.

1:37:38 > 1:37:41There is a 22 centimetres step between the train and the platform

1:37:41 > 1:37:47and the ramps I am entitled to use have had do not use stickers on them

1:37:47 > 1:37:51for at least the last six months. Other parts of the station really

1:37:51 > 1:37:55good. The end of this platform has been raised and signposted, it

1:37:55 > 1:38:03really easy. What I really want to know is, wide, with so much money

1:38:03 > 1:38:07being spent, why am I still stuck having to ask staff or passengers

1:38:07 > 1:38:15for persistence?It is not a step free station.-- passengers for

1:38:15 > 1:38:20assistance. Some of the ramps have not been in use for the last year.

1:38:20 > 1:38:26It is absolutely not a situation that we are happy with and that is

1:38:26 > 1:38:29why we have been working to improve it. We are in a position where in

1:38:29 > 1:38:35the next... We are talking weeks now, we are in the process of

1:38:35 > 1:38:39familiarising our staff with the use of the ramp on the westbound

1:38:39 > 1:38:42platform so that wheelchair users will be able to make use of the

1:38:42 > 1:38:47station. It has not been a great position to be in, absolutely.It is

1:38:47 > 1:38:52not just Tottenham Court Road Station, there are 270 tube stations

1:38:52 > 1:38:57in London, 72 of those are step free, but only 50 are fully

1:38:57 > 1:39:02accessible from street to train.The London Underground network is one of

1:39:02 > 1:39:09the oldest in the world. It is one of the least accessible in the

1:39:09 > 1:39:15world. That makes us angry. We want to be able to turn up at the

1:39:15 > 1:39:20station, get on the train, get off the train, without assistance. That

1:39:20 > 1:39:27has got to be the goal. That level of independence.When we asked the

1:39:27 > 1:39:32staff to help us use the ramp, it is a complicated procedure. Staff have

1:39:32 > 1:39:37two be alerted at the gate, drivers told to hold and the destination

1:39:37 > 1:39:42staff have to stand by, it takes a lot of time and effort.We take

1:39:42 > 1:39:47accessibility really seriously. It is not step free.It is a boarding

1:39:47 > 1:39:52ramp.At some locations, that is where we are and that is... We are

1:39:52 > 1:39:57constantly having to balance the money we spend on accessibility

1:39:57 > 1:40:00against the money we spend on everything else. I think we have

1:40:00 > 1:40:03demonstrated through the work we have done so far and the work we are

1:40:03 > 1:40:07planning to do in the future that we take accessibility really seriously

1:40:07 > 1:40:23and it is a property while -- and it is a priority for us.

1:40:24 > 1:40:25Today is International Women's Day.

1:40:25 > 1:40:28Its goal is to achieve gender equality for all -

1:40:28 > 1:40:30at school, in our health service, in our workplaces, our home life.

1:40:30 > 1:40:33What's it like to be a woman in Britain today?

1:40:33 > 1:40:35We've gathered nine women and girls from all walks

1:40:35 > 1:40:38of life to talk about that

1:40:38 > 1:40:44And here they are.

1:40:44 > 1:40:45Let me introduce you to Yewande Akinola,

1:40:45 > 1:40:47who has worked in construction for 11 years.

1:40:47 > 1:40:49Sam Spence, a health visitor for the NHS.

1:40:49 > 1:40:50Victoria Usher,

1:40:50 > 1:40:53she runs a global PR agency whose board is made up

1:40:53 > 1:40:56of nearly all women,

1:40:56 > 1:41:01most of them working mothers.

1:41:01 > 1:41:04Two thirds women, is that right? That is right.

1:41:04 > 1:41:09Charlotte Usher is Victoria's 11 year-old-daughter.

1:41:09 > 1:41:12Marchu Girma arrived to the UK as a refugee and now helps

1:41:12 > 1:41:13other female refugees.

1:41:13 > 1:41:15Sharon Spice, an actor and playwright who says

1:41:15 > 1:41:16she was once paid

1:41:16 > 1:41:19less than a white woman to do the same job.

1:41:19 > 1:41:21Michelle Russell says she appreciates women more

1:41:21 > 1:41:23than ever after she was recently involved in a sexual

1:41:23 > 1:41:24harassment case at work.

1:41:24 > 1:41:28She's here with her 15-year-old daughter, Esme.

1:41:28 > 1:41:29And Hayley Smith, who says International Women's day

1:41:29 > 1:41:32inspired her to set up a campaign to make sanitary products free

1:41:32 > 1:41:35for homeless women.

1:41:35 > 1:41:37What's the best thing about being a woman

1:41:37 > 1:41:40in Britain in 2018?

1:41:40 > 1:41:46I do not mind who goes first. LAUGHTER

1:41:46 > 1:41:50I really liked the fact there is a conversation happening right now.It

1:41:50 > 1:41:56feels like a really beautiful liberation, we are able to speak

1:41:56 > 1:42:00about the things we could never speak about.Is that definitely for

1:42:00 > 1:42:04you the best thing about being a woman in Britain right now?I think

1:42:04 > 1:42:08it is because there are many platforms for me to express my

1:42:08 > 1:42:12creativity, for me to hear of the amazing things other women are doing

1:42:12 > 1:42:18and this is extremely empowering. I just think, gosh, this could go...

1:42:18 > 1:42:22It could really inspire future generations, the beginning of

1:42:22 > 1:42:31something fantastic.I am definitely completely in agreement with you. My

1:42:31 > 1:42:36campaign, when I set it up two years ago, periods were not mainstream,

1:42:36 > 1:42:43people were only talking about them as a joke, and the transition,

1:42:43 > 1:42:48however people are, men and women, the media, talking seriously about

1:42:48 > 1:42:53periods, it has grown so quickly and it is an incredible platform.

1:42:53 > 1:42:57Conversations are opening up, you say, in this country that perhaps we

1:42:57 > 1:43:02have not felt were possible before? What would you say?Women are

1:43:02 > 1:43:10finding their voice, learning how to use it. Within nursing, the big pay

1:43:10 > 1:43:13campaign, female dominated profession, they are campaigning for

1:43:13 > 1:43:17equality so the tide is turning, still a long way to go, it feels

1:43:17 > 1:43:21like the shift is going in that direction, a spotlight on things and

1:43:21 > 1:43:25we are moving in the right direction.What do you say,

1:43:25 > 1:43:29Charlotte?The best thing about being a girl in 2018 is we are

1:43:29 > 1:43:32starting to join together and our generation will be the next

1:43:32 > 1:43:36generation to change almost the world about gender equality and

1:43:36 > 1:43:41things like that. I really think that is really important.Following

1:43:41 > 1:43:46on from that, it is really great we have all these great artists and

1:43:46 > 1:43:51females today, celebrating the fact it is International Women's Day, we

1:43:51 > 1:43:56have the ability of the choice to do whatever we feel we want to do, me

1:43:56 > 1:44:00being an artist, I have had the opportunity to write, to tour, that

1:44:00 > 1:44:05would not have been probably possible a few years ago...Of

1:44:05 > 1:44:13course it would!More accessible now.Because of technological

1:44:13 > 1:44:16advancement.It would have been more difficult. Now women are doing loads

1:44:16 > 1:44:21of stuff, we are engineers, directors, behind the camera, and a

1:44:21 > 1:44:26few years ago it would have been very hard, few and far between.

1:44:26 > 1:44:30Moving in the right direction, just need a little bit more momentum but

1:44:30 > 1:44:37it is happening.We have the privilege to make change, we are in

1:44:37 > 1:44:42a country that gives us some kind of privileged to be able to make change

1:44:42 > 1:44:46and as a woman coming to this country when I was 11 years old, I

1:44:46 > 1:44:51think I have come a long way... Where did you come from?How came

1:44:51 > 1:45:02from Ethiopia. I work with refugee women. There is a great sense of

1:45:02 > 1:45:08empowerment, refugee women, coming together, talking about feminism.

1:45:08 > 1:45:12That is something we have been talking about. But there is a long

1:45:12 > 1:45:17way to go. This year is a special year, 2018 marks 100 years since

1:45:17 > 1:45:21some women got the vote, but we still have in our society many women

1:45:21 > 1:45:27who do not have a voice, refugee and migrant women who do not have a

1:45:27 > 1:45:35voice, and today, we are hoping to change the tide, we have an event in

1:45:35 > 1:45:41Holland called All Women Can to highlight the fact that all women

1:45:41 > 1:45:45can't -- an event in Parliament.We have never had as much opportunity

1:45:45 > 1:45:56as we have had today. It is exciting to see so many row models, in media,

1:45:56 > 1:45:58business, women stretching their abilities and shooting for the stars

1:45:58 > 1:46:04and achieving great things. From a personal point of view, as you said

1:46:04 > 1:46:08earlier, my senior board is made up of two thirds women and the majority

1:46:08 > 1:46:13of that is working women and working women have a very unique challenge.

1:46:13 > 1:46:17Charlotte was three years old when I set up the business and I had to

1:46:17 > 1:46:20create a business working for me because I could not find a job that

1:46:20 > 1:46:25would allow me to be a good mum to my children and also to have the

1:46:25 > 1:46:29career I really wanted and I felt I deserved and what is great is to be

1:46:29 > 1:46:33able to employ women in our organisation that what the same

1:46:33 > 1:46:36thing and we give them that structure. It takes a bit of effort

1:46:36 > 1:46:43but you can get there as a business and do that.

1:46:43 > 1:46:47Will probably put my two things together, the worst in the best, and

1:46:47 > 1:46:54in the last two and a half yearsI have seen the worst of people...

1:46:54 > 1:46:59Because of a sexual harassment case? Yes, and realised the inequality

1:46:59 > 1:47:04that I didn't really realise was there, to be honest.Hidden in plain

1:47:04 > 1:47:09sight.Yes. And I have learned an awful lot. And I think the best

1:47:09 > 1:47:14thing, for me, right now, obviously, I have got a 15-year-old daughter,

1:47:14 > 1:47:18and that excites me, that she has got a whole future head of her, but

1:47:18 > 1:47:26since I have spoken out, the support that I have had off of other women

1:47:26 > 1:47:33has just been absolutely amazing. And that, to me, is the thing that I

1:47:33 > 1:47:40carry from all of this, really. Esme, what is it like being 15 in

1:47:40 > 1:47:46Britain in 2018 two blow it is interesting! Obviously, social

1:47:46 > 1:47:50media, theinternet,, it was different to how it was just 15

1:47:50 > 1:47:53years ago, every day there is something new happening, and you

1:47:53 > 1:48:00have to focus on that, but it is also brought a lot of hope. Like, in

1:48:00 > 1:48:05my school, most of my friends are aiming to become surgeons and

1:48:05 > 1:48:09lawyers and politicians, like amazing things, and it is amazing

1:48:09 > 1:48:11that they can, that that is plausible, like they can do that

1:48:11 > 1:48:18now, and even like 50 or 60 years ago, if you were a woman, a girl,

1:48:18 > 1:48:22especially a woman of colour said I want to go and become a politician,

1:48:22 > 1:48:26I want to go into Parliament, people would have laughed at them, and now

1:48:26 > 1:48:30it is like we can actually do that, it Israeli exciting to be part of

1:48:30 > 1:48:36our generation.-- it is really exciting. You have talked about some

1:48:36 > 1:48:39of the opportunities with social media and what you might want to do

1:48:39 > 1:48:43when you grow older, what is the worst thing about being a

1:48:43 > 1:48:4815-year-old girl in Britain?The expectations that are put on, like,

1:48:48 > 1:48:53from the societal point of view, so to become a mother especially, like

1:48:53 > 1:49:02people expect you...Who? You expect that? Nodule mum!Just tidy her

1:49:02 > 1:49:08bedroom!Kind of like when I say I don't really want to have children,

1:49:08 > 1:49:15it is like, oh, you know...Do you say that? I suppose that is why you

1:49:15 > 1:49:21hear that.Or assembly says, I don't want to get married, people are

1:49:21 > 1:49:27like, why don't you? -- or if somebody says.Not necessarily

1:49:27 > 1:49:31expectations, but that is the norm, it does not necessarily mean they

1:49:31 > 1:49:36are being pejorative or whatever. And an expectation to be quiet as

1:49:36 > 1:49:43well.From who?!Not necessarily personally, but as a society, there

1:49:43 > 1:49:49is quite a strong stigma against women who, from a young age, if you

1:49:49 > 1:49:54kind of like savings, there is a kind of like, be quiet, don't talk

1:49:54 > 1:49:58about it.Closing down of what you have said if you have an opinion,

1:49:58 > 1:50:06does anybody else find that?If you say something, oh, no, you are over

1:50:06 > 1:50:10exaggerating, it is not that bad. What did you say? Being dramatic?

1:50:10 > 1:50:15Yeah.You don't think summary would say that to a manager Maxnot at

1:50:15 > 1:50:20all.

1:50:20 > 1:50:27all.-- you don't think somebody would say that to a man?As a health

1:50:27 > 1:50:31visitor, we have, as a society, still have different expectations

1:50:31 > 1:50:36between boys and girls. We are seeing a shift with gender neutral

1:50:36 > 1:50:39clothing and different activities, and a lot of nurseries are going on

1:50:39 > 1:50:44board in terms of all children being promoted to all activities, whereas

1:50:44 > 1:50:47previously girls were meant to play with kitchens and dolls, boys were

1:50:47 > 1:50:51meant to play with construction sets. It is slowly changing, but it

1:50:51 > 1:50:56will take a generational changes to go through, and that is why we're

1:50:56 > 1:51:00not seeing change, and it is frustrating at times, because we are

1:51:00 > 1:51:05quite powerful, emboldened women, but lots of women do not feel that

1:51:05 > 1:51:09way, behind the sidelines, and is taking time for that change to come

1:51:09 > 1:51:14through. And it probably chips away, but when we find our voice, we need

1:51:14 > 1:51:19to keep it, keep chipping away for all women.I see that all the time

1:51:19 > 1:51:24in construction, you know, in engineering.Give me an example.

1:51:24 > 1:51:28Engineering is not for girls, why would you consider engineering? Why

1:51:28 > 1:51:34don't you consider something else? So not naming names, but who are the

1:51:34 > 1:51:40people who are saying engineering is not for girls, who is that person?

1:51:40 > 1:51:44Unfortunately, it is everybody.It is not everybody, it is not, let's

1:51:44 > 1:51:51not exaggerate. What sort of people? The people who are saying that are

1:51:51 > 1:51:55represented, they come from every aspect of a child's life...

1:51:55 > 1:52:04Teachers, parents?Parents, teachers, and goals and

1:52:06 > 1:52:13teachers, and goals and -- and goals and aunts, but I know it is a result

1:52:13 > 1:52:17of this perception thing that we have been trying to work through for

1:52:17 > 1:52:23the last couple of years, it is that association of certain career paths

1:52:23 > 1:52:31with a male or female, and I think it is on us as engineers, as

1:52:31 > 1:52:39powerful women, as women of colour, women of, you know, to be visible,

1:52:39 > 1:52:45you know, to young people to say, I am an engineer, I am doing it, and I

1:52:45 > 1:52:49am enjoying it, you know?And getting paid for doing it! Are you

1:52:49 > 1:52:55getting paid the same as the male engineers?Good question. I don't

1:52:55 > 1:53:03know, I haven't asked.Would you consider asking?Yes, I would.

1:53:03 > 1:53:09Definitely I would, yeah.I actually have checked my skill with my job to

1:53:09 > 1:53:15make sure that I am being paid exactly the same as my work

1:53:15 > 1:53:20counterpart...And are you?I am, and it is an issue, because

1:53:20 > 1:53:24previously I worked somewhere, and when I left, I found out that all my

1:53:24 > 1:53:31white colleagues got paid £1000 more than me, so I was down by £1000, and

1:53:31 > 1:53:36when I queried me, he told me, you are leaving now, it doesn't matter.

1:53:36 > 1:53:40And that was because you were a black woman?I was the only black

1:53:40 > 1:53:45girl there, and I felt I had to be grateful, I was breaking the

1:53:45 > 1:53:50diversity barrier, but also he had given me how opportunity.We are

1:53:50 > 1:53:57coming to the end, and I know I haven't ask do the worst thing! I

1:53:57 > 1:54:00don't want to end on a negative, but what is the contrast? Briefly, worst

1:54:00 > 1:54:03thing about being a woman... There may not be anythingloads of

1:54:03 > 1:54:08progress has been made, but there is still masses of progress to go.I

1:54:08 > 1:54:17need specifics.I don't want to grow up not being paid the same as a man.

1:54:17 > 1:54:22Sure, definitely.I don't want that to happen. I get worried about that.

1:54:22 > 1:54:27We are going to make sure that doesn't happen.There are still

1:54:27 > 1:54:32women in our community, our society, who are voiceless, they don't have

1:54:32 > 1:54:36the same opportunity as we have. One thing that we are highlighting at

1:54:36 > 1:54:40the moment is that there really is this refugee and migrant women, when

1:54:40 > 1:54:45they report to the police violence, sexual violence, immediately the

1:54:45 > 1:54:51police called immigration, you know, to start the process of the porting

1:54:51 > 1:54:56them.We have got 30 seconds, you have to be quick.The fact that we

1:54:56 > 1:55:03have to deal with capability, having to prove myself.We need parity with

1:55:03 > 1:55:08the male dominated professions with male dominated professions.More

1:55:08 > 1:55:12equality for single parents, more involvement from partners that are

1:55:12 > 1:55:16not there.Every woman should be able to go to work without being

1:55:16 > 1:55:21sexually assaulted.More support for girls to go to university and higher

1:55:21 > 1:55:29education.There needs to be more voices, as you said, every woman

1:55:29 > 1:55:33needs a voice, regardless of where they are from.Thank you, well done,

1:55:33 > 1:55:37thank you for coming in.Thank you. We brought you figure is that there

1:55:37 > 1:55:41has been a 14% rise in women from Northern Ireland having free

1:55:41 > 1:55:44abortions in England since the Government announced they would no

1:55:44 > 1:55:49longer pay for them. Stella Creasy, who campaigned to get the charges

1:55:49 > 1:55:52dropped last year, gave us her reaction, as did Emma Campbell from

1:55:52 > 1:55:58a campaign group.It reveals the scale of the need to address this

1:55:58 > 1:56:04issue. It is simply unconscionable that in 2018 part of our nation,

1:56:04 > 1:56:08Northern Ireland as part of the United Kingdom, we treat women

1:56:08 > 1:56:12differently there than here in London or Birmingham or Manchester,

1:56:12 > 1:56:16and what this data tells us is that, actually, we need to go further,

1:56:16 > 1:56:22because it is not fair to ask women to travel, and the United Nations

1:56:22 > 1:56:24has identified that asking women in Northern Ireland to travel to

1:56:24 > 1:56:29England to have an abortion is in human and degrading.I'm going to

1:56:29 > 1:56:33ask you more about that in a moment, but I won't reaction from you as

1:56:33 > 1:56:38well, Emma Campbell, to these figures that we have obtained.We

1:56:38 > 1:56:43know that the number of women travelling to the UK for abortion

1:56:43 > 1:56:48treatment in the last five years or so has dropped, and we know

1:56:48 > 1:56:51anecdotally that was due to the use of abortion pills that people

1:56:51 > 1:56:57obtained online and took a legally. Although the bills are safe, we can

1:56:57 > 1:57:02see from recent prosecutions that it was illegal, so we understand these

1:57:02 > 1:57:06figures to mean that people are no longer willing to risk prosecution

1:57:06 > 1:57:10and would rather travel to access abortions than risk this

1:57:10 > 1:57:14criminalisation. However, in the week that the funding was announced,

1:57:14 > 1:57:19we had two phone calls from different women who were unable to

1:57:19 > 1:57:24travel to England, one because a violent ex partner destroyed all of

1:57:24 > 1:57:27her identification, and another just because she had a very, very young

1:57:27 > 1:57:31child and there was no way for her to travel. We understand that even

1:57:31 > 1:57:35though women can access this treatment in the UK, there are often

1:57:35 > 1:57:38women left behind because they cannot travel for one reason or

1:57:38 > 1:57:43another.Emma Campbell, Stella Creasy. A statement from the

1:57:43 > 1:57:46Government, they say the law in Northern Ireland prevents abortion

1:57:46 > 1:57:49except where there is a risk to the life or long-term health of the

1:57:49 > 1:57:54woman. An amendment to the law to permit abortion cases of fatal

1:57:54 > 1:57:58people abnormality and sexual crime was debated in the Northern Ireland

1:57:58 > 1:58:04Assembly in February 2016 and is defeated. Following that, the

1:58:04 > 1:58:09Government is working on proposals for ministers to address the issue,

1:58:09 > 1:58:14but the Northern Ireland executive went into suspension at the end of

1:58:14 > 1:58:17January 2017, before those proposals were considered. Thank you very much

1:58:17 > 1:58:20for your company today, thanks for getting in touch with the programme.

1:58:20 > 1:58:25Back tomorrow at nine, have a good day.