12/03/2018

0:00:04 > 0:00:05Hello, it's Monday, it's nine o'clock,

0:00:05 > 0:00:11I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.

0:00:11 > 0:00:14The top story today... Tributes are pouring in for a Sir Ken .com or one

0:00:14 > 0:00:19of the last great musical acts of his time, who has died at the age of

0:00:19 > 0:00:2490 and will be best remembered for jokes like this.Tickled I am by all

0:00:24 > 0:00:29this goodwill. What about you Mrs, have you been tickled by goodwill?

0:00:29 > 0:00:32Freud said a laugh was a sudden explosion of psychic energy. The

0:00:32 > 0:00:35trouble with Freud was he never played second house Friday night at

0:00:35 > 0:00:36Glasgow Empire.

0:00:36 > 0:00:39We'll pay tribute to the man best known for his tickling stick

0:00:39 > 0:00:40and epic performances.

0:00:40 > 0:00:42Also on the programme - the Prime Minister will meet

0:00:42 > 0:00:44the National Security Council to hear the latest intelligence

0:00:44 > 0:00:47on the nerve agent attack on the Russian father employed

0:00:47 > 0:00:49by Britain as a spy.

0:00:49 > 0:00:51It comes as Salisbury residents voice concern they're

0:00:51 > 0:00:57being kept in the dark.

0:00:57 > 0:01:02I'd like to know what precautions I personally can take rather than just

0:01:02 > 0:01:07watching my clothes. What long-term implications are there to me and my

0:01:07 > 0:01:07wife.

0:01:07 > 0:01:08--?

0:01:08 > 0:01:13We'll get reaction.

0:01:13 > 0:01:16And it has been described as the worst grooming scandal in the

0:01:16 > 0:01:21country. 1000

0:01:22 > 0:01:23country. 1000 young girls abused in Telford.

0:01:23 > 0:01:27We bring you details.

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0:01:54 > 0:01:56and Liverpool defender Jamie Carragher's applogy,

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0:02:07 > 0:02:09Our top story today -

0:02:09 > 0:02:13Sir Ken Dodd, the much loved comedian, has died at the age of 90.

0:02:13 > 0:02:17Described by his publicist as "one of the last Music Hall greats",

0:02:17 > 0:02:19Sir Ken was known for his marathon stage performances and the creation

0:02:19 > 0:02:21of the Diddy Men and the tickling stick.

0:02:21 > 0:02:24The performer from Liverpool had recently spent six weeks in hospital

0:02:24 > 0:02:25with a chest infection.

0:02:25 > 0:02:29On Friday, he married his partner of 40 years, Anne Jones.

0:02:29 > 0:02:37Caroline Davies looks back at his life.

0:02:37 > 0:02:38Tickling sticks and Diddy Men -

0:02:38 > 0:02:41Ken Dodd was a variety performer with a gift for the surreal.

0:02:41 > 0:02:44What a brilliant day for going up to Count Von Zeppelin

0:02:44 > 0:02:47and saying, "You'll never sell a sausage that size!"

0:02:47 > 0:02:49And the love of a catchphrase or three.

0:02:49 > 0:02:51How tickled I am!

0:02:51 > 0:02:54How tickled I am by all this goodwill.

0:02:54 > 0:02:54What about you, Missus?

0:02:54 > 0:02:56Have you been tickled by goodwill?

0:02:56 > 0:02:58# Knick-knocky, knick-knock, knick-knocky knick-knack!

0:02:58 > 0:03:01# Knick-knocky, knick-knock, knicky-knacky-noo!

0:03:01 > 0:03:03Proud of his Merseyside roots, the coal merchant's son

0:03:03 > 0:03:06from Knotty Ash became a chart-topping singer, a television

0:03:06 > 0:03:10star, and a ventriloquist.

0:03:10 > 0:03:14Doddy! Hi-ya, Doddy!

0:03:14 > 0:03:18Although silly on stage, Dodd was serious about his craft.

0:03:18 > 0:03:22Freud said that a laugh is a sudden explosion of psychic energy.

0:03:22 > 0:03:26Of course, the trouble with Freud was he never played second house

0:03:26 > 0:03:29Friday night at Glasglow Empire.

0:03:29 > 0:03:33He still lived in the home he grew up in, and guarded his

0:03:33 > 0:03:34private life carefully.

0:03:34 > 0:03:38In 1989, that was shattered when he faced charges

0:03:38 > 0:03:40of massive tax evasion.

0:03:40 > 0:03:42He had 20 offshore bank accounts, and more than £300,000

0:03:42 > 0:03:45hidden around his house.

0:03:45 > 0:03:49He was acquitted and continued performing.

0:03:49 > 0:03:51Last year, he was given a knighthood in recognition

0:03:51 > 0:03:55of his charity and comedy work.

0:03:55 > 0:03:57We shall have one or two glasses of tickle tonic,

0:03:57 > 0:04:01and then we shall go back to Knotty Ash up north,

0:04:01 > 0:04:04Knotty Ash on Merseyside, and I shall see the Diddy Men there,

0:04:04 > 0:04:08so I'll give your regards to them.

0:04:08 > 0:04:12Aged 90, Dodd was recently hospitalised with a chest infection,

0:04:12 > 0:04:15but he still wanted to go back on stage.

0:04:15 > 0:04:19I look forward to getting back to doing my job -

0:04:19 > 0:04:23the only job that I have ever had, the only job that I know.

0:04:23 > 0:04:25# Happiness, happiness.

0:04:25 > 0:04:27After more than 60 years of making others laugh,

0:04:27 > 0:04:30it was performing to the British public that Dodd said

0:04:30 > 0:04:35gave him enormous happiness.

0:04:35 > 0:04:42Happiness!

0:04:42 > 0:04:44And Caroline Davies is here now.

0:04:44 > 0:04:49Caroline, in the final few days he married his long term partner?

0:04:49 > 0:04:54He did, yes, to his partner of the 40 years, and Jones. She wasn't just

0:04:54 > 0:04:58his partner but one of his supporting acts. She was a singer

0:04:58 > 0:05:02and dancer. We have heard from his publicist that apparently after he

0:05:02 > 0:05:06left hospital yesterday she would like to get married. They had had a

0:05:06 > 0:05:12very Long engagement. That was on Friday.So many tributes?There have

0:05:12 > 0:05:18been many. One was from comedian Gary Delaney, who made reference to

0:05:18 > 0:05:24the fact that Ken Dodd's show tended to go on for a while. He said one of

0:05:24 > 0:05:27the great of all time, the funeral will be held on Wednesday, Thursday,

0:05:27 > 0:05:30Friday and most of Saturday. Dara O'Briain called him an education to

0:05:30 > 0:05:38watch. Fellow Liverpudlian remembered him fondly and said your

0:05:38 > 0:05:42city will miss you terribly. -- Claire Sweeney.Thank you.

0:05:42 > 0:05:44Joanna Gosling is in the BBC Newsroom

0:05:44 > 0:05:46with a summary of the rest of the day's news.

0:05:46 > 0:05:47Good morning.

0:05:47 > 0:05:49The Government's National Security Council will meet

0:05:49 > 0:05:52today, to discuss the nerve agent attack in Salisbury of a former

0:05:52 > 0:05:54Russian intelligence officer and his daughter.

0:05:54 > 0:05:55The group, chaired by the Prime Minister,

0:05:55 > 0:05:58will be given the latest evidence and intelligence on the attack,

0:05:58 > 0:05:59before deciding what action should be taken.

0:05:59 > 0:06:05Yesterday, hundreds of people who were in the same pub

0:06:05 > 0:06:08and restaurant as the victims were warned to wash their clothes

0:06:08 > 0:06:10and other belongings they had on them at the time.

0:06:10 > 0:06:13There are claims that up to 1,000 children may have

0:06:13 > 0:06:16been abused in the Shropshire town of Telford over a 40 year period -

0:06:16 > 0:06:19and MPs are now calling for an inquiry.

0:06:19 > 0:06:20Seven men have already been convicted,

0:06:20 > 0:06:23but it's thought others have escaped charges.

0:06:23 > 0:06:25It's thought the unfolding scandal in Telford could be the worst

0:06:25 > 0:06:32the country has ever seen.

0:06:32 > 0:06:37At least five people were killed after a helicopter crashed into the

0:06:37 > 0:06:42East River in New York last night. The pilots -- pilot managed to free

0:06:42 > 0:06:48himself. The helicopter, chartered for a photo shoot. An investigation

0:06:48 > 0:06:50will be held to determine the cause of the crash.

0:06:50 > 0:06:53A bitter row has broken out at the top of the Labour Party,

0:06:53 > 0:06:56with a shadow cabinet minister being removed from her post,

0:06:56 > 0:06:57apparently against her will.

0:06:57 > 0:06:59The Labour Party says Debbie Abrahams stepped down

0:06:59 > 0:07:01as the spokeswoman on Work and Pensions, while what is

0:07:01 > 0:07:03described as an "employment issue" is investigated.

0:07:03 > 0:07:06But Mrs Abrahams claims she's the victim of a bullying

0:07:06 > 0:07:10culture in the party.

0:07:10 > 0:07:12Jamie Carragher has apologised, after a video showed

0:07:12 > 0:07:16the former England and Liverpool defender spitting at a girl in a car

0:07:16 > 0:07:19The footballer, who's now a TV pundit,

0:07:19 > 0:07:23had been covering his former side's 2-1 defeat

0:07:23 > 0:07:25by Manchester United on Saturday.

0:07:25 > 0:07:27Footage has emerged of Mr Carragher spitting toward

0:07:27 > 0:07:28the vehicle from his own car.

0:07:28 > 0:07:31On Twitter, he said he'd been provoked, but described his actions

0:07:31 > 0:07:38as "totally out of order"

0:07:38 > 0:07:41Almost two thirds of doctors in some parts of the UK say they feel

0:07:41 > 0:07:45patient safety has deteriorated over the past year, according to a new

0:07:45 > 0:07:49report. The Royal College of GPs is and has found growing pressures on

0:07:49 > 0:07:52NHS staff has led to some concerns about patient care. Adina Campbell

0:07:52 > 0:07:56reports.

0:07:56 > 0:08:00With the NHS coming out one of the toughest winters on record, a new

0:08:00 > 0:08:04report by the Royal College of GPs is and is claims most of care have

0:08:04 > 0:08:11got worse over the past 12 months. More than 1500 doctors in England,

0:08:11 > 0:08:13Wales and Northern Ireland replied to the same questions they were

0:08:13 > 0:08:20asked during a similar period a year ago. 64% said they felt patient care

0:08:20 > 0:08:25had deteriorated. 10% higher than last year. 93% said they had

0:08:25 > 0:08:32experienced staff shortages, up again by almost 10%. And 85% said

0:08:32 > 0:08:38they had seen a rising demand for their service, 7% higher than 12

0:08:38 > 0:08:42months ago. Doctors crying on their way home or distress calls to older

0:08:42 > 0:08:48patients because of substandard care were delays in social care, were

0:08:48 > 0:08:53some of the anonymous stories reported to the Royal College of

0:08:53 > 0:08:56physicians. The government says it is absolutely committed to making

0:08:56 > 0:09:02the NHS the safest health care system in the world. With nearly £3

0:09:02 > 0:09:05billion in extra funding allocated to ordered over the next two years.

0:09:05 > 0:09:09But some doctors say they often feel they are having to do more for less.

0:09:13 > 0:09:16Senior Conservatives have criticised an attack made

0:09:16 > 0:09:18by the Liberal Democrat leader, Sir Vince Cable, on Brexit voters.

0:09:18 > 0:09:20Sir Vince accused them of being mainly older people,

0:09:20 > 0:09:22who'd blighted the hopes of younger people because they felt nostalgic

0:09:22 > 0:09:26about the days when Britain's population was largely white.

0:09:26 > 0:09:28The Communities Secretary, Sajid Javid, described his

0:09:28 > 0:09:36remarks as disrespectful.

0:09:36 > 0:09:39A police investigation as an honest after people across the country

0:09:39 > 0:09:44received anti-Muslim letters in the post. The document caused for --

0:09:44 > 0:09:47calls for a punishing Muslim Day in October and suggests a number of

0:09:47 > 0:09:48violent acts.

0:09:48 > 0:09:50A council facing financial problems, has been accused

0:09:50 > 0:09:52of using millions of pounds of money ring-fenced for public health

0:09:52 > 0:09:53to prop up other services.

0:09:53 > 0:09:57The BBC's Inside Out East programme has learned

0:09:57 > 0:09:58Northamptonshire County Council may have to return

0:09:58 > 0:10:02as much as £10 million to Public Health England.

0:10:02 > 0:10:04The BBC is urging the United Nations to support

0:10:04 > 0:10:07the staff and families of its Persian television service,

0:10:07 > 0:10:10which broadcasts from London into Iran and the region.

0:10:10 > 0:10:13The UN's Human Rights Council in Geneva will discuss

0:10:13 > 0:10:15a report describing how relatives of BBC staff in Iran

0:10:15 > 0:10:21have been detained and subjected to travel bans.

0:10:21 > 0:10:23Future students will be able to make consumer-style

0:10:23 > 0:10:28comparisons of degree courses when choosing their university.

0:10:28 > 0:10:33Under government plans, universities in England would be

0:10:33 > 0:10:34graded on areas such as the chances of employment, potential

0:10:34 > 0:10:36earnings and drop-out rates.

0:10:36 > 0:10:39The Department for Education says the new system would expose poor

0:10:39 > 0:10:42teaching and help students get value for money.

0:10:42 > 0:10:46The annual Crufts dog show had to be temporarily halted,

0:10:46 > 0:10:48after two protesters stormed the venue.

0:10:48 > 0:10:51As this year's winner, a two and a half year old whippet

0:10:51 > 0:10:57called Tease, made her way to the podium, this happened.

0:10:57 > 0:10:59Two demonstrators from the animal rights group Peta

0:10:59 > 0:11:01emerged from the audience.

0:11:01 > 0:11:04They were quickly chased down and subdued by security staff.

0:11:04 > 0:11:06You can see here the quick reaction of Tease's owner,

0:11:06 > 0:11:11moving him out of harm's way. No animals or owners were harmed.

0:11:11 > 0:11:13That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

0:11:13 > 0:11:16More at 9.30.

0:11:16 > 0:11:17Thank you.

0:11:17 > 0:11:23Do get in touch with us throughout the morning.

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0:11:26 > 0:11:28Time for sport now with Will

0:11:28 > 0:11:29and let's talk about the Winter Paralympics

0:11:29 > 0:11:32because Britain's snowboarders have made their debut but it wasn't

0:11:32 > 0:11:36a great start, was it?

0:11:36 > 0:11:40No, it wasn't the best start. They have had a nightmare at the Winter

0:11:40 > 0:11:49Paralympics. Temperatures were up at 18 degrees. They have had to

0:11:49 > 0:11:53reschedule some of the events, especially the events on snow. The

0:11:53 > 0:11:57Snowboard Cross was moved forward as they tried to get that out of the

0:11:57 > 0:12:02way with better snow in the morning. It didn't go that way. They have a

0:12:02 > 0:12:09metal release date. James Barnes-Miller got out. This metal

0:12:09 > 0:12:19gate wasn't working. They stuck a bungee jump caught on the side. That

0:12:19 > 0:12:22is the snowboarders coming out. This caused huge delays. It said everyone

0:12:22 > 0:12:29back. We can see Owen Pick, the flag bearer for a Team GB at the opening

0:12:29 > 0:12:39ceremony. This is him. Losing his first eliminator in Snowboard Cross.

0:12:39 > 0:12:46All three Britons not making the semifinal. Owen Pick said the delay

0:12:46 > 0:12:53affected his performance.There were talks of the coaches cancelling it

0:12:53 > 0:12:58and doing it another day. It was like, guys, come on, this is the

0:12:58 > 0:13:03Paralympics. It was tough. It was really tough. It was a shame that

0:13:03 > 0:13:07today has gone the way it has gone in general, because we wanted to put

0:13:07 > 0:13:12on a good show. Not great news. But they will all

0:13:12 > 0:13:20get another chance in the slalom. Paralympic GB curling team is doing

0:13:20 > 0:13:27pretty well and they have an interesting fan?They do. Mr T. He

0:13:27 > 0:13:31is a huge curling fan. He really got into it during the Winter Olympics

0:13:31 > 0:13:44in February. He has tweeted today, saying, wheelchair curling...

0:13:48 > 0:13:51He says he has so much respect and a lot of admiration for the

0:13:51 > 0:13:57paralympian 's. The Paralympics GB curlers dominated their second game

0:13:57 > 0:14:01of the day against Finland, beating the 9-2. They were beaten earlier in

0:14:01 > 0:14:08the day by Switzerland. Defeat and two wins for them. Tomorrow they

0:14:08 > 0:14:13take on Sweden and Canada. Safe to say Mr T will be watching.

0:14:13 > 0:14:17Thank you.

0:14:17 > 0:14:18Good morning. Welcome.

0:14:18 > 0:14:20There are calls for an inquiry into child sexual exploitation

0:14:20 > 0:14:23in Telford in Shropshire, where it's thought up to 1,000 children

0:14:23 > 0:14:30could have been abused there over a 40-year period.

0:14:30 > 0:14:31The stories we'll hear this morning are horrific.

0:14:31 > 0:14:36Girls as young as 11 who were drugged,

0:14:36 > 0:14:37beaten and raped.

0:14:37 > 0:14:40MPs are calling for an inquiry, with claims the scandal could be

0:14:40 > 0:14:43the worst the country has ever seen.

0:14:43 > 0:14:47To give you a sense of the scale, Telford has a population of around

0:14:47 > 0:14:50170,000 people - 1,000 of those young girls - are thought

0:14:50 > 0:14:52to have been abused.

0:14:52 > 0:14:54Sex grooming gangs in Rotherham are thought to have

0:14:54 > 0:15:02targetted around 1,400. The population there is 260,000.

0:15:03 > 0:15:07There are also allegations that the abuse could be linked

0:15:07 > 0:15:10to three murders and two deaths in the town.

0:15:10 > 0:15:12As with other grooming scandals, we've seen

0:15:12 > 0:15:14the victims are mainly white, and the abusers mainly British

0:15:14 > 0:15:22Pakistani or Bangladeshi men.

0:15:23 > 0:15:25Seven men have been convicted, but it's thought others

0:15:25 > 0:15:27have escaped charges.

0:15:27 > 0:15:30We can speak now to Kathleen Hallisey, who is a lawyer

0:15:30 > 0:15:35specialising in child abuse.

0:15:35 > 0:15:38Thank you for talking to us.

0:15:38 > 0:15:42You've worked on similar abuse scandals.

0:15:42 > 0:15:47What do you draw from what we know of this one?It's a disgrace and

0:15:47 > 0:15:51essentially it means there's no end to the sexual abuse scandals we are

0:15:51 > 0:15:57going to see in this country.Why do you say that?Just when we think we

0:15:57 > 0:16:06have reached the tip of the iceberg, most recently it is football abuse,

0:16:06 > 0:16:11we seem to think that is the end and it isn't the end and I think we will

0:16:11 > 0:16:19continue to seek more sexual abuse scandals. -- to see more.

0:16:19 > 0:16:22In your experience, how does the abuse of so many victims stay

0:16:22 > 0:16:24covered up for so long?

0:16:24 > 0:16:29We see that people in positions of authority don't take these

0:16:29 > 0:16:32allegations seriously, they blame the victims and that allows the

0:16:32 > 0:16:37cover-up and the abuse to carry on for decades.We have learned so much

0:16:37 > 0:16:44in terms of how victims present. Presumably in the future those in

0:16:44 > 0:16:51authority would not necessarily treat alleged victims in similar

0:16:51 > 0:16:56ways to the past?I hope so, but looking at information from the

0:16:56 > 0:17:00abuse scandal we have in Telford, those lessons don't seem to have

0:17:00 > 0:17:06trickled down to social workers and police. We are talking about very

0:17:06 > 0:17:10recent allegations.In terms of some of the men convicted, that was in

0:17:10 > 0:17:192013, and what is new now is the scale of abuse in Telford. The

0:17:19 > 0:17:29figures estimate up to 1000 children could have fallen victim to abuse

0:17:29 > 0:17:33gangs in Telford.Yes, looking at people who were unfortunately

0:17:33 > 0:17:42victimised and abuse, they are very recent allegations.The local MP

0:17:42 > 0:17:46Lucy Allen says there has to be an independent inquiry into what's

0:17:46 > 0:17:50happened in Telford, would you agree with that?Absolutely, I don't think

0:17:50 > 0:17:56we can end it here. We definitely need a public inquiry, the victims

0:17:56 > 0:18:02need justice. Many of these victims will not come forward. Again, I am

0:18:02 > 0:18:05extremely concerned that have been continued failings by police and

0:18:05 > 0:18:09social workers and I think a broader inquiry needs to look in depth at

0:18:09 > 0:18:13those issues. We need to be educating people in positions of

0:18:13 > 0:18:18authority

0:18:19 > 0:18:22authority of how to deal with these and that victims should not be seen

0:18:22 > 0:18:25as criminals.I don't mean this flippantly but why don't people read

0:18:25 > 0:18:30the Rotherham inquiry outcome? The lessons are there.Absolutely they

0:18:30 > 0:18:34are there but they don't seem to have been learned so maybe we need

0:18:34 > 0:18:39another inquiry with more attention on that inquiry.OK, thank you for

0:18:39 > 0:18:46talking to us. We will have plenty more on this story tomorrow on the

0:18:46 > 0:18:49programme.

0:18:49 > 0:18:53The number of rough sleepers in the UK has more than doubled

0:18:53 > 0:18:56in the last eight years - in every major British town or city

0:18:56 > 0:18:58you will see someone sleeping on the streets.

0:18:58 > 0:19:06In London it's estimated that one in every 59 people is homeless

0:19:06 > 0:19:08or living in inadequate housing like bed and breakfast,

0:19:08 > 0:19:09rooms or hostels.

0:19:09 > 0:19:13Now one group of homeless people in London have decided to take

0:19:13 > 0:19:18matters into their own hands.

0:19:18 > 0:19:20They've taken over an empty four-storey

0:19:20 > 0:19:22building in the heart of the capital's West End and say

0:19:22 > 0:19:24anyone without a home is welcome.

0:19:24 > 0:19:26On Wednesday the group, calling themselves

0:19:26 > 0:19:28the Sofia Solidarity Centre, will go to court to fight

0:19:28 > 0:19:31a possession order from the landlord in a bid to stay.

0:19:31 > 0:19:34We gained access to the building and spoke to some of the volunteers

0:19:34 > 0:19:37and people living there.

0:19:40 > 0:19:42Heavy snowfall has hit many parts of the UK,

0:19:42 > 0:19:45with the south east and north-east of England seeing up

0:19:45 > 0:19:48to 13 centimetres of snow and temperatures of minus 12.

0:19:48 > 0:19:53For people living on the streets, these conditions are treacherous.

0:19:53 > 0:19:54You see it in doorways.

0:19:54 > 0:19:59People just look at you like you're scum.

0:19:59 > 0:20:02You're stuck in a position where you're going to be lost

0:20:02 > 0:20:08in the system for a very long time.

0:20:12 > 0:20:17During the cold weather, it became apparent that people are dying.

0:20:17 > 0:20:22We had to do something about it, so an empty building was found

0:20:22 > 0:20:25and it now has 100 or more residents, who are eating, sleeping

0:20:25 > 0:20:29and being comfortable and not dying.

0:20:29 > 0:20:37We're kind of happy with that.

0:20:41 > 0:20:43OK, so when we have somebody new come in,

0:20:43 > 0:20:46they come in the front door, they'll be greeted here.

0:20:46 > 0:20:51We'll ask them what they need, how they are, what their priority is,

0:20:51 > 0:20:54whether they want to go straight to sleep, to eat, and we have

0:20:54 > 0:20:57the kitchen down the end there.

0:20:57 > 0:21:00We can provide and are providing hot, nutritious food all the time.

0:21:00 > 0:21:03There's tea and coffee, some medical supplies,

0:21:03 > 0:21:07and we have people who know how to look after people.

0:21:07 > 0:21:09So if somebody needs some attention to wounds

0:21:09 > 0:21:11or infections, we can do that.

0:21:11 > 0:21:14We have been donated a huge amount of clothing, bedding,

0:21:14 > 0:21:17so whatever the people need and whatever their priorities are,

0:21:17 > 0:21:25we can look after them.

0:21:25 > 0:21:27We've got sleeping areas on the ground floor here

0:21:27 > 0:21:33and on the first floor.

0:21:33 > 0:21:35There was electricity already in the building,

0:21:35 > 0:21:37and the water was already on.

0:21:37 > 0:21:40We just tidied up the plumbing where there were leaks and stuff,

0:21:40 > 0:21:41made sure everything is safe and secure.

0:21:41 > 0:21:43We have qualified electricians helping us.

0:21:43 > 0:21:44I'm a plumber-builder as well, so...

0:21:44 > 0:21:47We do safety checks every day, make sure there's nothing dangerous,

0:21:47 > 0:21:49no cables to trip over, everything's lit properly,

0:21:49 > 0:21:50so people don't...

0:21:50 > 0:21:51Yeah, we're keeping people safe.

0:21:51 > 0:21:54Do you worry that you might attract the wrong kind of attention

0:21:54 > 0:21:57and people that don't necessarily need help might come here?

0:21:57 > 0:22:03It becomes quite obvious very quickly and, yes, it may happen.

0:22:03 > 0:22:06But that, as a percentage of the whole of what we're doing,

0:22:06 > 0:22:08I think it's worth it.

0:22:08 > 0:22:11Some people might argue that you guys aren't able to give

0:22:11 > 0:22:18the support that a lot of the people coming through the doors

0:22:18 > 0:22:22need that a shelter, a regular shelter, might be able to.

0:22:22 > 0:22:25I'll counter that with the fact that a lot of people who are supposedly

0:22:25 > 0:22:31psychologists and mental health workers have learnt it from a book.

0:22:31 > 0:22:34We've all learned it the hard way and we can actually give more

0:22:34 > 0:22:36support because we've all been down the road.

0:22:36 > 0:22:39If any person comes in with a particular issue,

0:22:39 > 0:22:43there is someone here who has already been through that issue.

0:22:43 > 0:22:45We can actually guide people through our own experiences,

0:22:45 > 0:22:47empathy and listening, so we're actually better qualified

0:22:47 > 0:22:52than most people who are qualified.

0:22:52 > 0:22:55What about others who might say that you've got no business being here,

0:22:55 > 0:22:57you don't own the building, that you're not paying

0:22:57 > 0:22:58rent for the building.

0:22:58 > 0:23:02What would you say to that?

0:23:02 > 0:23:04Our brothers and sisters have no business being

0:23:04 > 0:23:07on the street, freezing, dying.

0:23:07 > 0:23:09And there are ten empty commercial buildings for every

0:23:09 > 0:23:15person that is registered as street sleeping.

0:23:15 > 0:23:17Ten empty commercial buildings for every person who is registered

0:23:17 > 0:23:19as sleeping on the streets.

0:23:19 > 0:23:20I'm sorry.

0:23:20 > 0:23:23What business model is that?

0:23:23 > 0:23:25So, yeah, no business being here, with 100 people here, eating,

0:23:25 > 0:23:28sleeping, comfortably?

0:23:28 > 0:23:31We're saving lives here.

0:23:31 > 0:23:32I'm sorry.

0:23:32 > 0:23:36Property?

0:23:36 > 0:23:38I have disregard for that.

0:23:38 > 0:23:41When the building's been empty 15 years and we can save lives with it,

0:23:41 > 0:23:46it's our moral duty to save those lives.

0:23:46 > 0:23:48I left home at 15 years of age.

0:23:48 > 0:23:51I started going into the hostel system.

0:23:51 > 0:23:53There was a big battle because of social services and,

0:23:53 > 0:23:58like, a lot of things happened in a short amount of time.

0:23:58 > 0:24:02And I've been homeless recently due to having a lot going on in my life.

0:24:02 > 0:24:03There was no help being given.

0:24:03 > 0:24:06There was nothing available.

0:24:06 > 0:24:10No services wanted to, obviously, understand or were willing to help,

0:24:10 > 0:24:13so I had no choice but to have nowhere to go, because there

0:24:13 > 0:24:16is nowhere for us to go.

0:24:16 > 0:24:19I mean, it is hard out there.

0:24:19 > 0:24:25People are breaking down as it is, with other problems in life.

0:24:25 > 0:24:30Having to worry about this as one for a long time is just even more

0:24:30 > 0:24:32worse and there is no way that...

0:24:32 > 0:24:34No way of them helping me out.

0:24:34 > 0:24:36They would put me in shelters and nowadays,

0:24:36 > 0:24:39not any help for shelters.

0:24:39 > 0:24:42So I found, like, a link to the squat and now I'm

0:24:42 > 0:24:44in a squat situation.

0:24:44 > 0:24:46Like, I have a lot of issues.

0:24:46 > 0:24:50I have a daughter that I don't get to see.

0:24:50 > 0:24:57I don't get to see none of my family.

0:24:57 > 0:25:00When you are this low in life, like, you take everything for how

0:25:00 > 0:25:02it is and you appreciate it a lot more.

0:25:02 > 0:25:05How does it feel to not have a permanent home?

0:25:05 > 0:25:08It destroys your brain.

0:25:08 > 0:25:09Yeah, man.

0:25:09 > 0:25:10It makes you think a lot.

0:25:10 > 0:25:13You start, like, deteriorating inside and, yeah, you start

0:25:13 > 0:25:14breaking down slowly.

0:25:14 > 0:25:16There's not a lot you can do, really.

0:25:16 > 0:25:19You are stuck in a position where you are going to be lost

0:25:19 > 0:25:21in the system for a very long time.

0:25:21 > 0:25:24I mean, right now I'm doing three days' work a week,

0:25:24 > 0:25:27which ain't a lot but I'm doing my best to save money

0:25:27 > 0:25:30for a deposit to get my own place and move on with my own life

0:25:30 > 0:25:32but it's very hard.

0:25:32 > 0:25:36I was just on my way to work and then I see you lot and I had

0:25:36 > 0:25:39a phone call from my boss just, like, two minutes ago,

0:25:39 > 0:25:43and he's saying there's no work available and so now I've got

0:25:43 > 0:25:44to stress about whether I'm even able to work tomorrow

0:25:44 > 0:25:46or throughout the week.

0:25:46 > 0:25:49A lot of people wouldn't want to go down the official channels

0:25:49 > 0:25:51for various reasons.

0:25:51 > 0:25:57Some have maybe run away from home or social care.

0:25:57 > 0:25:59Some are avoiding being part of the...

0:25:59 > 0:26:01They don't want to be recognised.

0:26:01 > 0:26:03Here, no human is illegal.

0:26:03 > 0:26:07If you need food, you need shelter, we have it.

0:26:07 > 0:26:11And we're dealing with people who can be very vulnerable,

0:26:11 > 0:26:13very frightened, sometimes quite aggressive, because fear

0:26:13 > 0:26:17creates aggression.

0:26:17 > 0:26:20Everyone on the team knows what it's like.

0:26:20 > 0:26:23We all have some experience, some of us with mental health

0:26:23 > 0:26:27issues, homelessness.

0:26:27 > 0:26:29We're all able to see, when somebody comes in,

0:26:29 > 0:26:32who they might relate to best.

0:26:32 > 0:26:35I will see someone come in, I will pick up on something,

0:26:35 > 0:26:38you know, and go, "Oh, I see myself, I see my

0:26:38 > 0:26:45story, in that person".

0:26:45 > 0:26:48And this is where us, sitting round as we do,

0:26:48 > 0:26:50socialising, gets people to relax, unwind, unburden.

0:26:50 > 0:26:52So there's a lot of, I wouldn't say counselling,

0:26:52 > 0:26:54but camaraderie, empathy, and the shedding of

0:26:54 > 0:26:56the weight and baggage.

0:26:56 > 0:27:00It is perfectly legal in the sense that if you find an empty building,

0:27:00 > 0:27:03an empty commercial building, and you can get in without doing any

0:27:03 > 0:27:07damage, which happened, you can use this space as your home

0:27:07 > 0:27:09until such time as a repossession order, an order possession,

0:27:09 > 0:27:12is obtained by the owners.

0:27:12 > 0:27:14It is a legal thing.

0:27:14 > 0:27:16It is lawful.

0:27:16 > 0:27:18This place has saved my life and the community spirit

0:27:18 > 0:27:20in there is wonderful.

0:27:20 > 0:27:22Everybody is so helpful, it is unbelievable.

0:27:22 > 0:27:23It is like Xanadu.

0:27:23 > 0:27:25I've been on the streets three weeks.

0:27:25 > 0:27:28I was a subletting a flat and the landlord just

0:27:28 > 0:27:31threw me out, no warning.

0:27:31 > 0:27:32Threw us out, no warning at all.

0:27:32 > 0:27:34Turned up with three of his mates.

0:27:34 > 0:27:38Threw us out.

0:27:38 > 0:27:41Not a lot of people are willing to be understanding.

0:27:41 > 0:27:43There's not a lot of people out there that

0:27:43 > 0:27:45actually want to help or...

0:27:45 > 0:27:47Everyone is just, like, in London in general,

0:27:47 > 0:27:50everyone's worried about themselves, about their own life.

0:27:50 > 0:27:52I mean, that's cool, but you've got to be understanding

0:27:52 > 0:27:53about others as well.

0:27:53 > 0:27:55You feel like a second-class citizen.

0:27:55 > 0:27:56You just feel worthless.

0:27:56 > 0:28:01Your self-confidence and everything just sinks down to nothing.

0:28:01 > 0:28:03You are sitting in doorways and people just look

0:28:03 > 0:28:04at you like you are scum.

0:28:04 > 0:28:06You know what I mean?

0:28:06 > 0:28:07I'm not.

0:28:07 > 0:28:08I've worked all my life.

0:28:08 > 0:28:10You know what I mean?

0:28:10 > 0:28:12And that's what it makes you feel like.

0:28:12 > 0:28:14It makes you feel like scum.

0:28:14 > 0:28:15I'm young.

0:28:15 > 0:28:18There's a lot of things I'm still understanding till now,

0:28:18 > 0:28:21at my age, and it's a lot harder for me to understand them

0:28:21 > 0:28:23things when I've got this going on in my life.

0:28:23 > 0:28:26We're not doing any harm in that place.

0:28:26 > 0:28:28I've fixed the toilets, I've fixed the basins.

0:28:28 > 0:28:30I clean the stairs, I clean the toilets.

0:28:30 > 0:28:31Everyone mucks in.

0:28:31 > 0:28:35It's sanitary, you know?

0:28:35 > 0:28:39To see them wake up having had their first decent

0:28:39 > 0:28:46night's sleep for months, and to see the difference in them,

0:28:46 > 0:28:48their weight fall off them, it's...

0:28:48 > 0:28:51It is a passion for life, for humanity, for our

0:28:51 > 0:28:52brothers and sisters.

0:28:52 > 0:28:55We couldn't leave them out there, so we had to do this.

0:28:55 > 0:29:02Now, it's a shameful situation when we have to do this.

0:29:05 > 0:29:07Rough sleeping in England has increased for the

0:29:07 > 0:29:09seventh year in a row.

0:29:09 > 0:29:13There were 4751 people counted or estimated to be bedding down

0:29:13 > 0:29:18outside in autumn 2017.

0:29:18 > 0:29:23That's a 15% rise on a year before.

0:29:23 > 0:29:26The figures provide a snapshot of rough sleeping on a typical

0:29:26 > 0:29:29night, and shows about a quarter were in London.

0:29:29 > 0:29:37The Government says it is investing £1 billion to tackle rough sleeping.

0:29:37 > 0:29:40Without an address, finding work is very difficult.

0:29:40 > 0:29:42Without a change of clothes, finding work is very difficult.

0:29:42 > 0:29:44Without the sleep...

0:29:44 > 0:29:46Because sleep deprivation is one of the major

0:29:46 > 0:29:48problems of being homeless.

0:29:48 > 0:29:51You might see people bedding down in cardboard boxes in the doorway.

0:29:51 > 0:29:53Are they really asleep?

0:29:53 > 0:29:56Is that real rest?

0:29:56 > 0:30:00A lot of them are sleeping with one eye open because of the amount

0:30:00 > 0:30:02of times that people are attacked, abused.

0:30:02 > 0:30:06So is that rest?

0:30:06 > 0:30:08Here, they're getting a good night's sleep

0:30:08 > 0:30:11and you can see the difference.

0:30:11 > 0:30:13Steve, why is it you do what you do?

0:30:13 > 0:30:15Because I know what it's like.

0:30:15 > 0:30:20I know every person in here has a very, very unique story.

0:30:20 > 0:30:24Everyone's different, and everyone needs a different approach.

0:30:24 > 0:30:26So, why do I do what I do?

0:30:26 > 0:30:34It makes a difference.

0:30:53 > 0:30:55Westminster Council told us they have "well-established routes

0:30:55 > 0:31:01to help people who may be sleeping rough or homeless via Streetlink.

0:31:01 > 0:31:09Over 400 bed spaces are available each night to help people"

0:31:10 > 0:31:16Your messages on this. This of your says, totally agree with what has

0:31:16 > 0:31:19been said about whether the people who are helping homeless people are

0:31:19 > 0:31:24qualified to do so. There is no one better equipped to help understand

0:31:24 > 0:31:29that people with the same extremes. Stevie says, what I am seeing right

0:31:29 > 0:31:32now about people being empowered to take over empty buildings and use

0:31:32 > 0:31:36them for the homeless is amazing. Cancels all over the UK should take

0:31:36 > 0:31:42note. Cancels all had empty buildings that can help people. Neil

0:31:42 > 0:31:47says building -- breaking the law is not the way to do with this issue.

0:31:47 > 0:31:50And Paul says, completely agree with the homeless squatters. If buildings

0:31:50 > 0:31:55are empty for years, it should be made legal to take possession.

0:31:55 > 0:31:57Councils should be doing it. Thank you.

0:31:57 > 0:32:02Still to come...

0:32:02 > 0:32:06A row has broken out at the top of the Labour Party as one of Jeremy

0:32:06 > 0:32:08Corbyn's top team says she has been removed from her post against her

0:32:08 > 0:32:16will. More shortly.

0:32:16 > 0:32:20will. More shortly. And a charity is warning that these do not meet sleep

0:32:20 > 0:32:24safety guidelines and could increase the risk of cot death.

0:32:24 > 0:32:26Time for the latest news - here's Joanna Gosling.

0:32:26 > 0:32:28The BBC News headlines this morning:

0:32:28 > 0:32:34Hello again.

0:32:34 > 0:32:42The comedian Sir Ken Dodd has died at the age of 90.

0:32:42 > 0:32:46# Happiness, happiness...

0:32:46 > 0:32:48Described by his publicist as "one

0:32:48 > 0:32:51of the last music hall greats," Sir Ken was known for his

0:32:51 > 0:32:53marathon stage performances and the creation of the 'Diddy Men'

0:32:53 > 0:32:54and the 'tickling stick'.

0:32:55 > 0:32:58The Government's National Security Council will meet

0:32:58 > 0:33:01today, to discuss the nerve agent attack in Salisbury of a former

0:33:01 > 0:33:03Russian intelligence officer and his daughter.

0:33:03 > 0:33:05The group, chaired by the Prime Minister,

0:33:05 > 0:33:07will be given the latest evidence and intelligence on the attack,

0:33:07 > 0:33:09before deciding what action should be taken.

0:33:09 > 0:33:14Yesterday, hundreds of people who were in the same pub

0:33:14 > 0:33:16and restaurant as the victims were warned to wash their clothes

0:33:16 > 0:33:24and other belongings they had on them at the time.

0:33:24 > 0:33:29A plane has crashed at Kathmandu International airport in Nepal. It

0:33:29 > 0:33:33crashed on the side of the runway, according to the Kathmandu Post. An

0:33:33 > 0:33:39airline spokesman said dazzled his were expected. A bitter row has

0:33:39 > 0:33:42broken out of the top of the Labour Party, with a Shadow Cabinet

0:33:42 > 0:33:51minister being removed from her post, friendly against her will.

0:33:51 > 0:33:53post, friendly against her will. The Labour Party says Debbie Abrahams

0:33:53 > 0:33:57stepped down as spokesperson on work campaigns and is. She says she is

0:33:57 > 0:34:03the victim of a bullying culture in the party.

0:34:03 > 0:34:05At least five people were killed after a helicopter

0:34:05 > 0:34:07crashed into the East River in New York last night.

0:34:07 > 0:34:09The pilot managed to free himself and was rescued

0:34:09 > 0:34:10by a passing tugboat.

0:34:10 > 0:34:13The helicopter, which had been chartered for a photo shoot,

0:34:13 > 0:34:14crashed near Roosevelt Island.

0:34:14 > 0:34:17An investigation will be held to determine the cause of the crash.

0:34:17 > 0:34:19There are claims that up to 1,000 children may have

0:34:19 > 0:34:22been abused in the Shropshire town of Telford over a 40 year period.

0:34:22 > 0:34:27MPs are now calling for an inquiry.

0:34:27 > 0:34:30Seven men have already been convicted, but it is thought others

0:34:30 > 0:34:34have escaped charges. It is thought the unfolding scandal could be the

0:34:34 > 0:34:35worst the country has ever seen.

0:34:35 > 0:34:37Jamie Carragher has apologised after a video showed

0:34:37 > 0:34:38the former England and Liverpool defender

0:34:38 > 0:34:40spitting at a girl in a car.

0:34:40 > 0:34:42The footballer, who's now a TV pundit,

0:34:42 > 0:34:44had been covering his former side's 2-1 defeat

0:34:44 > 0:34:47by Manchester United on Saturday.

0:34:47 > 0:34:49Footage has emerged of Mr Carragher spitting toward

0:34:49 > 0:34:50the vehicle from his own car.

0:34:50 > 0:34:53On Twitter, he said he'd been provoked, but described his actions

0:34:53 > 0:34:56as "totally out of order".

0:34:56 > 0:34:58A police investigation has been launched after people

0:34:58 > 0:35:02across the country received anti-muslim letters in the post.

0:35:02 > 0:35:05The document calls for a "Punish a Muslim" day in April

0:35:05 > 0:35:07and suggests a number of violent acts

0:35:07 > 0:35:13That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

0:35:13 > 0:35:16Thank you very much. Some more messages from you about the homeless

0:35:16 > 0:35:21film that we just showed, where some people took over an empty building

0:35:21 > 0:35:26in the West End, in the heart of the capital. Debra says, well done for

0:35:26 > 0:35:31that brave man standing up against homelessness. If I had a spare home

0:35:31 > 0:35:34were empty building I would give it to them. Are we still the sixth

0:35:34 > 0:35:38richest country in the world? We must win support for this movement

0:35:38 > 0:35:41because surely it can lead to real sustained change for the better.

0:35:41 > 0:35:46Fiona says what they are doing is wonderful. Why can't more of these

0:35:46 > 0:35:51empty buildings be utilised? Lee says, what a marvellous scheme of

0:35:51 > 0:35:55self-help, a sure sign of government failure. The authorities don't care

0:35:55 > 0:35:59about single men and they find it hard to get housed, whilst wealthy,

0:35:59 > 0:36:02greedy landowners sit on empty buildings to make more profit. I

0:36:02 > 0:36:06hope they win a landmark case. Something has to be done to help

0:36:06 > 0:36:08them. These are genuine people in need of help.

0:36:08 > 0:36:14Now the sport. It has not been a great day for Britain at the Winter

0:36:14 > 0:36:16Paralympics. James Barnes-Miller, Ben Moore and Owen Pick have all

0:36:16 > 0:36:21been knocked out of the Snowboard Cross. Pick went out in the first

0:36:21 > 0:36:23eliminator after the metal start gate broke this morning, which meant

0:36:23 > 0:36:27they had to use a piece of rope to ensure the athlete started at the

0:36:27 > 0:36:32same time. Harry Kane will have a scan on his ankle today after he was

0:36:32 > 0:36:37injured during their 4-1 win over Bournemouth. They move into third in

0:36:37 > 0:36:41the Premier League. There was a brilliant old firm derby in the

0:36:41 > 0:36:45Scottish premiership. Rangers went ahead after three minutes. 2-2 at

0:36:45 > 0:36:51half-time before Celtic snatched victory through Odsonne Edouard. And

0:36:51 > 0:36:54Tiger Woods came so close to winning his first title in more than four

0:36:54 > 0:37:00years. He needed to sink this putt but ended up finishing one shot

0:37:00 > 0:37:03behind Paul Casey at the Valspar Championship.

0:37:03 > 0:37:07A row has broken out at the top of the Labour Party, as one

0:37:07 > 0:37:09of Jeremy Corbyn's top team says she's been removed from her

0:37:09 > 0:37:10post against her will.

0:37:10 > 0:37:13On Sunday, Labour said Debbie Abrahams MP had stepped down

0:37:13 > 0:37:16as spokeswoman on Work and Pensions while an "employment

0:37:16 > 0:37:19issue" is investigated.

0:37:19 > 0:37:22But she claims she is the victim of a "bullying culture

0:37:22 > 0:37:29of the worst kind".

0:37:29 > 0:37:35Ben Wright joins me now. What is going on?It is an extraordinary

0:37:35 > 0:37:40row. Interrupted pretty late yesterday evening, when the Labour

0:37:40 > 0:37:43Party issued a short statement saying Debbie Abrahams has stepped

0:37:43 > 0:37:47aside while these employment issues are being investigated. I understand

0:37:47 > 0:37:51they concerned a number of complaints around the issue of

0:37:51 > 0:37:56bullying. And that this now will be investigated by the party itself,

0:37:56 > 0:38:00not just the whips to enforce discipline at the House of Commons.

0:38:00 > 0:38:05Almost as soon as that statement had been put out, Debbie Abrahams hit

0:38:05 > 0:38:09back with a blistering attack on Jeremy Corbyn's office, saying the

0:38:09 > 0:38:14treatment she has experienced by certain individuals in the leader's

0:38:14 > 0:38:17office has been aggressive, intimidating and wholly

0:38:17 > 0:38:20unprofessional. She says the treatment has shown a bullying

0:38:20 > 0:38:24culture of the worst kind, and she is now making a formal complaint to

0:38:24 > 0:38:29the Labour Party and to the Parliamentary authority. An

0:38:29 > 0:38:32extraordinary war of words. Debbie Abrahams has been in the leader's

0:38:32 > 0:38:37team since Jeremy Corbyn took the top job. She has been Shadow Work

0:38:37 > 0:38:40and Pensions Secretary. She is in the inner circle. They have

0:38:40 > 0:38:44obviously had a colossal falling out. Debbie Abrahams completely

0:38:44 > 0:38:50denies the allegations against her, saying she has completely not been

0:38:50 > 0:38:53bullying her staff.The allegation is she has been bullying people, and

0:38:53 > 0:39:00now she says she has been bullied by the top people in Labour?Yes. I

0:39:00 > 0:39:03understand there was a meeting on Friday between Debbie Abrahams and

0:39:03 > 0:39:08people from Jeremy Corbyn's office, where this was discussed. During the

0:39:08 > 0:39:11course of the weekend, both sides are worked out what should happen

0:39:11 > 0:39:16next. Clearly it is the hope of the Labour Party that Debbie Abrahams

0:39:16 > 0:39:19would step aside sort of quietly and allow the investigation to happen.

0:39:19 > 0:39:24For whatever reason, the manner in which that conversation happened and

0:39:24 > 0:39:27the action decided, clearly upset Debbie Abrahams. She feels she has

0:39:27 > 0:39:33been treated unjustly and this has exploded. It is in the context of

0:39:33 > 0:39:37rumbling, deep concerns at Westminster, about a culture of

0:39:37 > 0:39:41harassment, bullying more broadly over the last few months. It has

0:39:41 > 0:39:44produced a quickly put together new code of conduct which the government

0:39:44 > 0:39:49announced last month, which will come into effect shortly. This is a

0:39:49 > 0:39:54very pertinent issue right now in Westminster. Labour clearly feel

0:39:54 > 0:39:58they have acted appropriately. We asked Debbie Abrahams to come

0:39:58 > 0:40:03onto the programme. She declined to do so. She said she put a statement

0:40:03 > 0:40:10out and she wants to leave it there. I want to this tweet. This is from a

0:40:10 > 0:40:15woman called Sarah Louise. She says, Debbie Abrahams, one of the few

0:40:15 > 0:40:19reasonable and nice Labour MPs, struggling to justify Labour's

0:40:19 > 0:40:28destructive direction. What might that mean?I'm not sure what that

0:40:28 > 0:40:37means, to be honest. She has been, I think, pretty harmonious member of

0:40:37 > 0:40:46the top team. She had a grilling on the Labour Party's Brexit policy on

0:40:46 > 0:40:51the Andrew Marr Show the other day. This is quite a surprise. What I

0:40:51 > 0:40:55find so surprising is the vehemence and the strength of Debbie Abrahams'

0:40:55 > 0:41:00own rebuttal and how the Labour Party has treated her.

0:41:00 > 0:41:03Thank you very much, Ben.

0:41:03 > 0:41:05Many popular sleeping products for babies don't meet safer sleep

0:41:05 > 0:41:07guidelines, and could increase the risk of cot death

0:41:07 > 0:41:10or Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, a baby charity is warning.

0:41:10 > 0:41:13Items such as cushioned sleeping pods,

0:41:13 > 0:41:19nests, baby hammocks, cot bumpers, pillows,

0:41:19 > 0:41:23duvets and anything that wedges or straps a baby in place, can pose

0:41:23 > 0:41:27a risk to children under 12 months.

0:41:27 > 0:41:30The Lullaby Trust says at the moment there are no safety standards

0:41:30 > 0:41:32which relate specifically to Sudden Infant Death

0:41:32 > 0:41:35Syndrome, which can make it difficult for parents to know

0:41:35 > 0:41:39which products are safe to use.

0:41:39 > 0:41:42We've got some examples in the studio of the many different

0:41:42 > 0:41:45kinds of sleep pods and nests available to buy, and we've

0:41:45 > 0:41:48also got examples of what meets safety guidelines.

0:41:48 > 0:41:54Let's speak to Francine Bates, chief executive

0:41:54 > 0:42:01of the Lullaby Trust.

0:42:01 > 0:42:04To Rupal Kantaria, who lost her baby to Sudden Infant Death

0:42:04 > 0:42:06Syndrome, and is working with the Lullaby Trust to warn other

0:42:06 > 0:42:07parents of the dangers.

0:42:07 > 0:42:10And we also have Jayde Edwards, who slept with her baby

0:42:10 > 0:42:13on the sofa when he was born, and now works to educate other young

0:42:13 > 0:42:15parents about better sleeping practices with their children.

0:42:15 > 0:42:17Thank you for coming on the programme. Francine, let's look at

0:42:17 > 0:42:20some of these products and tell us which meet safety guidelines and

0:42:20 > 0:42:26which don't.OK. We have got a Moses basket. This absolutely does meet

0:42:26 > 0:42:31the safety guidelines in terms of savers sleep. We have got a firm,

0:42:31 > 0:42:37flat mattress. It is waterproof. This is portable. You can carry it

0:42:37 > 0:42:42around the house with you. And always keep an eye Macron the baby.

0:42:42 > 0:42:49We recommend a cot or a Moses basket to sleep a baby safely. This is

0:42:49 > 0:42:55good. You have to be careful about soft bedding. Duvas and pillows

0:42:55 > 0:43:02Arieh no no. We advised to use a sleeping bag. Put the baby in the

0:43:02 > 0:43:07sleeping bag in the Moses basket or the card. And you will undoubtedly

0:43:07 > 0:43:14reduce the risk of Sudden Infant Death Syndrome.

0:43:14 > 0:43:18Death Syndrome.Obviously, the baby neatly slots in there. I can't do it

0:43:18 > 0:43:24now because the zip is broken! Oh, it is there! When it is zipped up,

0:43:24 > 0:43:29the baby's head cannot be covered? Absolutely. It is designed so the

0:43:29 > 0:43:33sleeping bag fits over the shoulders. It can never go over the

0:43:33 > 0:43:40baby's head, which is key. The other products we are not so keen on. As

0:43:40 > 0:43:46you can see, they are much softer. They have raised padded cushion and

0:43:46 > 0:43:58sides. The big concern here is that this will increase a baby's risk.

0:43:58 > 0:44:03Primarily to do with overheating. On a flat surface, a baby will not

0:44:03 > 0:44:09overheat. But on a soft surface, there is a risk the baby could

0:44:09 > 0:44:20overheat. And of course overheating is a risk. We are also concerned

0:44:20 > 0:44:24about the pads. Even small babies, as you know, can wiggle and move.

0:44:24 > 0:44:29They can turn their heads, they can squished their face against this

0:44:29 > 0:44:36padded surface. And they may not be able to move back. The other issue

0:44:36 > 0:44:42we are concerned about is they can actually put their heads over the

0:44:42 > 0:44:50sides.

0:44:50 > 0:44:56sides. We do not recommend these products.OK. But if you are a new

0:44:56 > 0:45:00parent, you would not necessarily know that this is not recommended by

0:45:00 > 0:45:05you?I think that's true. We have become very much aware from parents

0:45:05 > 0:45:08calling the helpline every day, that these products are becoming much

0:45:08 > 0:45:14more popular. In fact, we did a survey and it was clear that 40% of

0:45:14 > 0:45:19parents were either thinking of, had bought, one of these products. That

0:45:19 > 0:45:22gave it a lot of concern to us because they don't conform to safer

0:45:22 > 0:45:28sleep guidelines. So we produced a guide. We produced a brochure in

0:45:28 > 0:45:33conjunction with the leading paediatricians, researchers and

0:45:33 > 0:45:37Public Health England, which sets out safer sleep advice, what to look

0:45:37 > 0:45:43for in products, and to give information about the risks

0:45:43 > 0:45:49associated, not just with these products, but also hammocks, Duvas,

0:45:49 > 0:45:56pillows, these things should not be used near a baby.

0:45:56 > 0:46:01Thank you for coming on the programme. Your baby boy was found

0:46:01 > 0:46:10not breathing and an inquest said it was sudden infant death syndrome.

0:46:10 > 0:46:17What did you take from that in terms of when you had another child?I had

0:46:17 > 0:46:29my third child in 2014 and these nests and pods have risen in

0:46:29 > 0:46:38popularity. I still bought something very similar to this for my child

0:46:38 > 0:46:41now it was almost four to sleep in because it was not clear to me that

0:46:41 > 0:46:47it didn't comply with safer sleep guidelines. All of my friends use

0:46:47 > 0:46:51this sort of product because again I think there's huge confusion out

0:46:51 > 0:46:58there amongst mothers and parents as to what and what doesn't comply,

0:46:58 > 0:47:02particularly because these products are fairly new. That is something I

0:47:02 > 0:47:06feel strongly to make sure parents are making an informed choice and I

0:47:06 > 0:47:09don't think that's happening currently.When you said you were

0:47:09 > 0:47:13looking at this kind of stuff and buying it, it wasn't clear whether

0:47:13 > 0:47:18it met these guidelines, were you actually looking for some kind of

0:47:18 > 0:47:24recommendation or guidelines or just thinking, what can the possible harm

0:47:24 > 0:47:32be?The fact it was available from a trusted retailer in the UK on the

0:47:32 > 0:47:35high street, I wrongly assumed it must comply with all of the

0:47:35 > 0:47:39guidelines out there, not only the British safety standards but also

0:47:39 > 0:47:42safer sleep guidelines because otherwise how could it possibly of

0:47:42 > 0:47:47the available in a trusted retailer? I wasn't buying it second hand from

0:47:47 > 0:47:50an internet site from another country so that was my assumption.

0:47:50 > 0:47:56Then on top of that, all of these mothers out there are saying how

0:47:56 > 0:48:00fantastic they are because their babies sleep better in them. I have

0:48:00 > 0:48:04no comment on that but we need to separate out the marketing and

0:48:04 > 0:48:09parental opinion from the research and science, such that mothers and

0:48:09 > 0:48:18parents can make their own informed decisions.Jade, how are you?Fine,

0:48:18 > 0:48:26thank you.You are only 18, still incredibly young, were you aware of

0:48:26 > 0:48:30safety guidelines?Not at all, you would assume there would be more

0:48:30 > 0:48:35initiatives involved to make sure me as a young parent provides the best

0:48:35 > 0:48:40safety for my child but I have no idea about safer sleep, let alone

0:48:40 > 0:48:47how to place a child down. A year and a half later, getting involved

0:48:47 > 0:48:53with the Lullaby Trust and getting involved in information that was

0:48:53 > 0:48:56shocking, because a lot of the information was provided for

0:48:56 > 0:49:02children under the age of one, my child was a year and a half so I

0:49:02 > 0:49:07feel like what a lot of young parents or organisations would think

0:49:07 > 0:49:12is, if it's a young parent maybe they need much more care or a lot

0:49:12 > 0:49:18more. In reality it is just sitting down with us and saying this is how

0:49:18 > 0:49:23you place a baby. My main job I would say is to ensure every young

0:49:23 > 0:49:28parent that I do get in contact with could have been all around London

0:49:28 > 0:49:32with the Lullaby Trust explaining to them you are no better or worse than

0:49:32 > 0:49:37a parent who is 35, it's just ensuring you know how to put your

0:49:37 > 0:49:42baby to sleep because all it takes is for you to sleep on a sofa or a

0:49:42 > 0:49:46bed with your child which I did from the age of newborn to be honest so I

0:49:46 > 0:49:51feel what the Lullaby Trust is doing is really good.Explain why it's not

0:49:51 > 0:49:57advised to sleep with a newborn either in your bed or on the sofa.I

0:49:57 > 0:50:03think for numerous reasons, and a lot of times as a young parent I

0:50:03 > 0:50:07study, I also work, I'm trying to build a career, your sleeping on a

0:50:07 > 0:50:12bed with your child, you could potentially roll over, you could not

0:50:12 > 0:50:18realise your child is there and that's not to say you are bad parent

0:50:18 > 0:50:32but you get exhausted.Old parents get exhausted too!I look back and

0:50:32 > 0:50:35think what if something went wrong but there are numerous things that

0:50:35 > 0:50:42can happen if you do that.And the biggest

0:50:42 > 0:50:48biggest risk, Francine, is suffocation.We don't know exactly

0:50:48 > 0:50:55why Sids happens, but the risk is 50 times greater so it is extremely

0:50:55 > 0:51:02dangerous. With these new products on the market, there is concerned

0:51:02 > 0:51:09they could the risk for Sids. These products do not have a British

0:51:09 > 0:51:15standard.What does that mean, what does it look like?The symbol will

0:51:15 > 0:51:22be on the packaging of any product on the market.And that means it's

0:51:22 > 0:51:27OK?It means it complies with certain standards so it is well

0:51:27 > 0:51:30constructed, the chemicals that have been used in the products are safe,

0:51:30 > 0:51:36it complies with fire regulations. The Moses basket has a British

0:51:36 > 0:51:43standard. The sleep bag has a British standard, the pods, the

0:51:43 > 0:51:48nests and the hammock do not. We would say to parents to only buy

0:51:48 > 0:51:51products where there is a British standard, make sure the surface your

0:51:51 > 0:52:00baby will sleep on is flat and is waterproof and firm, and ensure you

0:52:00 > 0:52:04place your baby on its back which is the biggest, strongest factor in

0:52:04 > 0:52:13terms of reducing Sids.I appreciate that parents are exhausted and

0:52:13 > 0:52:17sometimes people say my baby sleeps better on its tummy so I'm going to

0:52:17 > 0:52:21put baby on its tummy and I think that's just understanding it is an

0:52:21 > 0:52:26informed risk you are taking if you choose to do those things, which I

0:52:26 > 0:52:33think the Back To Sleep campaign has been successful with, making parents

0:52:33 > 0:52:41aware of that, but there is not the awareness with nests."Our parents

0:52:41 > 0:52:46may do, but today's products are fantastic but there will always be

0:52:46 > 0:52:51an element of risk". Pat says, or new babies are given a baby box by

0:52:51 > 0:52:58the Scottish Government which helps keep babies safe, perhaps the

0:52:58 > 0:53:08British government would consider that" so what do you think?Going

0:53:08 > 0:53:13back to an earlier comment, what I would say is we have been really

0:53:13 > 0:53:19successful in reducing the numbers of Sids.You have, I've got the

0:53:19 > 0:53:29figures here, over 25 years...Over 25 years we have reduced the rate of

0:53:29 > 0:53:35Sids by 80%. It is phenomenal but the reason we have done that is

0:53:35 > 0:53:40because we have developed our safer sleep guidelines, based on detailed

0:53:40 > 0:53:44research which enables us to tell parents how to sleep their baby

0:53:44 > 0:53:53safely. While he first listener was clear that in the old days people

0:53:53 > 0:53:59used to spoil things onto babies and people used to sleep in different

0:53:59 > 0:54:04ways, yes that is true but the cot death rate was so much higher and I

0:54:04 > 0:54:11think that is the key point.People often say, well I used them and my

0:54:11 > 0:54:15baby is fine. That's fine but your baby is one baby, that's not what

0:54:15 > 0:54:21the research is saying. I don't fall into any of the risk categories in

0:54:21 > 0:54:27terms of a parent of a baby with Sids, but it happened to me. As I

0:54:27 > 0:54:31keep saying, parents need to make an informed choice.Thank you very

0:54:31 > 0:54:38much. Thank you for your many comments about the film we played

0:54:38 > 0:54:43earlier which involved some people taking over an empty four story

0:54:43 > 0:54:48building in London and inviting anyone who was homeless to stay

0:54:48 > 0:54:52there for shelter. Sarah says we all need to listen to the amazing man

0:54:52 > 0:54:55and your film who knows what support these homeless need, what compassion

0:54:55 > 0:55:00he has for the individuals who find themselves in this position. David

0:55:00 > 0:55:04says, we have farmers all over the country crying out for workers and

0:55:04 > 0:55:09sometimes they even provide housing. It's an idea to offer people a

0:55:09 > 0:55:15chance of a fresh start, a wage, a purpose, a chance to restart life.

0:55:15 > 0:55:19Bill says I have huge sympathy for homeless people and used to have

0:55:19 > 0:55:24some sympathy for squatters until the terraced house next door was

0:55:24 > 0:55:28squatted. They were worse than animals, shouting and screaming all

0:55:28 > 0:55:35day and night, abusive behaviour and serious damage to the property. It

0:55:35 > 0:55:38might be reasonable to allow formal charities to take over buildings if

0:55:38 > 0:55:41they have been unused for a period but they should also be required to

0:55:41 > 0:55:45leave on demand, not by going to court. Joyce says, I believe the

0:55:45 > 0:55:52people organising the squat need a knighthood. There's no point in huge

0:55:52 > 0:55:58commercial buildings being empty for years and is not a people to use

0:55:58 > 0:56:03them. The latest sport at ten o'clock but

0:56:03 > 0:56:03them. The latest sport at ten o'clock but

0:56:03 > 0:56:07first the weather with Matt. The best of the weather is to be found

0:56:07 > 0:56:11in parts of Scotland. We have already seen sunshine around, and

0:56:11 > 0:56:18some sunshine here and in Northern Ireland throughout but a different

0:56:18 > 0:56:21story elsewhere, particularly in northern England. Heavy rain in the

0:56:21 > 0:56:27Midlands and south east too, linked to an area of high pressure. The

0:56:27 > 0:56:31tell-tale sign that the cloud is swirling around in the anticlockwise

0:56:31 > 0:56:37fashion. The further north you are, the further away from it, hence the

0:56:37 > 0:56:40drier conditions. Let's focus on what is happening in England and

0:56:40 > 0:56:44Wales because we continue to see outbreaks of rain coming and going

0:56:44 > 0:56:48throughout the day. Heavy bursts through the Midlands and towards the

0:56:48 > 0:56:51south-east. The showers in the south-west will push through smartly

0:56:51 > 0:56:55on the strong breeze and there will be brightness around in between

0:56:55 > 0:56:59those rain bands, the best of which will be in Northern Ireland and

0:56:59 > 0:57:04western parts of Scotland. Temperatures today, even with the

0:57:04 > 0:57:09rain, still at 11 degrees, but in eastern parts of Scotland with a

0:57:09 > 0:57:14gentle breeze it will feel rather chilly. Tonight we will see the

0:57:14 > 0:57:17cloud and occasional rain across England becoming more confined to

0:57:17 > 0:57:21East Anglia and the south-east with some showers in the west. More

0:57:21 > 0:57:25breaks in the cloud tonight and into tomorrow morning night than the one

0:57:25 > 0:57:34just gone with a touch of frost and for one or two maybe a bit dicey as

0:57:34 > 0:57:39well. This area of low pressure is waiting in the wings for Wednesday,

0:57:39 > 0:57:41we are in between the ridge of high pressure and that means fewer

0:57:41 > 0:57:48showers around during the day. Maybe wetter in parts of East Anglia and

0:57:48 > 0:57:53some showers drifting eastwards but very few in number. Most will have a

0:57:53 > 0:57:58dry day, if not completely, predominantly dry. Once the March

0:57:58 > 0:58:01sunshine is on your back it will feel quite pleasant with

0:58:01 > 0:58:05temperatures in some spots into double figures. Into Wednesday it

0:58:05 > 0:58:08turns more breezy but the best of drier weather limited to eastern

0:58:08 > 0:58:15parts of the country. Later in the day, the cloud will thicken in the

0:58:15 > 0:58:18west, outbreaks of rain into the evening become persistent across

0:58:18 > 0:58:22Ireland, western Wales and into parts of Devon and Cornwall.

0:58:22 > 0:58:28Temperatures between ten and 14 Celsius. Things will change by the

0:58:28 > 0:58:33time we get to the weekend, could we see cold air on the way back? With

0:58:33 > 0:58:37high pressure across Scandinavia is set to drag in, it looks like cold

0:58:37 > 0:58:41air back to our shores is so temperatures will take a dip,

0:58:41 > 0:58:45night-time frosts will then. How cold it will get is uncertain at the

0:58:45 > 0:58:55moment but we will keep you updated here on BBC News. Goodbye for now.

0:58:55 > 0:58:57Hello it's Monday, it's 10 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

0:58:57 > 0:58:59Our top story today - tributes have been pouring

0:58:59 > 0:59:02in for Sir Ken Dodd, one of the last great Music

0:59:02 > 0:59:05Hall acts of his time, who's died at the age of 90

0:59:05 > 0:59:07and is best remembered for jokes like this.

0:59:07 > 0:59:09Tickled, I am, by all this goodwill.

0:59:09 > 0:59:11What about you Missus - have you been tickled by goodwill?

0:59:11 > 0:59:14Freud said a laugh was a sudden explosion of psychic energy.

0:59:14 > 0:59:16The trouble with Freud was he never played second house Friday

0:59:16 > 0:59:20night at Glasgow Empire.

0:59:20 > 0:59:23We'll carry on paying tribute to the man best known

0:59:23 > 0:59:24for his tickling stick and epic performances,

0:59:24 > 0:59:26and hear from former Brookside actress Claire Sweeney,

0:59:26 > 0:59:28who knew him well.

0:59:28 > 0:59:30Also on the programme - the Prime Minister will meet

0:59:30 > 0:59:32the National Security Council to hear the latest intelligence

0:59:32 > 0:59:34on the nerve agent attack on the Russian father employed

0:59:34 > 0:59:35by Britain as a spy.

0:59:35 > 0:59:37It comes as Salisbury residents voice concern they're

0:59:37 > 0:59:43being kept in the dark.

0:59:43 > 0:59:46I'd like to know what precautions I personally can take rather than just

0:59:46 > 0:59:52washing my close, having personally been exposed, and what of the

0:59:52 > 0:59:55long-term medications for me and my wife?

0:59:55 > 0:59:58We hear from the leader of the council.

0:59:58 > 0:59:59And we're talking about Jamie Carragher,

0:59:59 > 1:00:02filmed spitting at the occupants of a car.

1:00:02 > 1:00:10He's apologised.

1:00:10 > 1:00:212-1. 2-1, made! Unlucky, Jamie Latta. 2-1.

1:00:21 > 1:00:22Good morning.

1:00:22 > 1:00:24Here's Joanna Gosling in the BBC Newsroom

1:00:24 > 1:00:25with a summary of today's news.

1:00:25 > 1:00:28The comedian Sir Ken Dodd has died at the age of 90.

1:00:28 > 1:00:32Described by his publicist as "one of the last Music Hall greats",

1:00:32 > 1:00:34Sir Ken was known for his marathon stage performances and the creation

1:00:34 > 1:00:36of the Diddy Men and the tickling stick.

1:00:36 > 1:00:39The Liverpool-based perfomer had recently been treated in hospital

1:00:39 > 1:00:41for a chest infection.

1:00:41 > 1:00:44The Government's National Security Council will meet

1:00:44 > 1:00:49today, to discuss the nerve agent attack in Salisbury of a former

1:00:49 > 1:00:50Russian intelligence officer and his daughter.

1:00:50 > 1:00:53The group, chaired by the Prime Minister,

1:00:53 > 1:00:57will be given the latest evidence and intelligence on the attack,

1:00:57 > 1:00:58before deciding what action should be taken.

1:00:58 > 1:01:02Yesterday hundreds of people who were in the same pub

1:01:02 > 1:01:04and restaurant as the victims, were warned to wash their clothes

1:01:04 > 1:01:07and other belongings they had on them at the time.

1:01:07 > 1:01:10A Bangladeshi plane with more than 70 people on board, has crashed

1:01:10 > 1:01:14at Kathmandu's International Airport in Nepal.

1:01:14 > 1:01:16The plane from US-Bangla Airline went off the runway

1:01:16 > 1:01:18while landing, and crashed on the side of the runway,

1:01:18 > 1:01:19according to the Kathmandu Post.

1:01:19 > 1:01:21An airport spokesperson told the paper that

1:01:21 > 1:01:25casualties were expected.

1:01:25 > 1:01:28A bitter row has broken out at the top of the Labour Party,

1:01:28 > 1:01:31with a shadow cabinet minister being removed from her post,

1:01:31 > 1:01:33apparently against her will.

1:01:33 > 1:01:36The Labour Party says Debbie Abrahams stepped down

1:01:36 > 1:01:38as the spokeswoman on Work and Pensions, while what is

1:01:38 > 1:01:42described as an "employment issue" is investigated.

1:01:42 > 1:01:44But Mrs Abrahams claims she's the victim of a bullying

1:01:44 > 1:01:52culture in the party.

1:01:54 > 1:01:56There are claims that up to 1,000 children may have

1:01:56 > 1:02:00been abused in the Shropshire town of Telford over a 40 year period -

1:02:00 > 1:02:02and MPs are now calling for an inquiry.

1:02:02 > 1:02:03Seven men have already been convicted,

1:02:03 > 1:02:06but it's thought others have escaped charges.

1:02:06 > 1:02:07It's thought the unfolding scandal in Telford could be the worst

1:02:07 > 1:02:09the country has ever seen.

1:02:09 > 1:02:11Jamie Carragher has apologised after a video showed

1:02:11 > 1:02:12the former England and Liverpool defender

1:02:12 > 1:02:14spitting at a girl in a car.

1:02:14 > 1:02:15The footballer, who's now a TV pundit,

1:02:15 > 1:02:19had been covering his former side's 2-1 defeat

1:02:19 > 1:02:20by Manchester United on Saturday.

1:02:20 > 1:02:22Footage has emerged of Mr Carragher spitting toward

1:02:22 > 1:02:24the vehicle from his own car.

1:02:24 > 1:02:26On Twitter, he said he'd been provoked, but described his actions

1:02:26 > 1:02:29as "totally out of order".

1:02:29 > 1:02:33That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.30.

1:02:33 > 1:02:41Thank you. Many comments from you about the film we showed earlier,

1:02:41 > 1:02:44where people have taken over an empty four-storey building in the

1:02:44 > 1:02:50centre of London and homeless people are being invited to share it.

1:02:50 > 1:02:54Rachel says, I live in Manchester and bypass scores of homeless people

1:02:54 > 1:02:57every day, mostly men. I also pass scores of empty buildings every day.

1:02:57 > 1:03:01Surely that is an obvious answer? This from someone who does not

1:03:01 > 1:03:06please -- leave their name. What about using church halls for

1:03:06 > 1:03:09homeless people? The majority have under utilised halls which could be

1:03:09 > 1:03:13used to house homeless people, even if only during the winter. Is this

1:03:13 > 1:03:20not what churches are for, to give comfort to the vulnerable? Sarah

1:03:20 > 1:03:25says, God bless that mantra standing up for the homeless. Dean says it is

1:03:25 > 1:03:29disgusting that a building in central London has been left empty

1:03:29 > 1:03:34for 15 years. This is so wrong. Paul completely agrees with the squatters

1:03:34 > 1:03:37will stop it should be made legal to take temporary possession for

1:03:37 > 1:03:42emergency housing. This person doesn't leave their name. A lot of

1:03:42 > 1:03:46these people choose to sleep off and I are too lazy to get a job. Be fair

1:03:46 > 1:03:50for couples who want to start a family to go to back of the queue

1:03:50 > 1:03:55when it comes to housing. Steve Lee says, what I am seeing today is

1:03:55 > 1:03:58people being empowered to take over empty buildings for the homeless. It

1:03:58 > 1:04:04is amazing. And Gay says homelessness in this day and age is

1:04:04 > 1:04:08an Oak Ridge. We should be going forward is not you.

1:04:08 > 1:04:10Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

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1:04:15 > 1:04:21Now the sport. Great Britain's snowboarders made their Winter

1:04:21 > 1:04:26prolix debut Jeong Jang today but it didn't quite go according to plan.

1:04:26 > 1:04:31-- Winter Paralympics. The event was held up by technical problems. Kate

1:04:31 > 1:04:36Grey can tell us more.Yes, all sorts of problems at the

1:04:36 > 1:04:39snowboarding. The event was moved forward due to the increasing

1:04:39 > 1:04:42temperatures. It was about 18 degrees in the middle of the day.

1:04:42 > 1:04:46They had to move the event earlier. When the event started they had

1:04:46 > 1:04:51problems with the start gate. They were not dropping down and athletes

1:04:51 > 1:04:58were falling over them. They had to replace it with a rope. Not ideal.

1:04:58 > 1:05:03Britain did have three athletes competing. None of them made it

1:05:03 > 1:05:08through to the final stages. When I spoke to Owen Pick, he told me he

1:05:08 > 1:05:11was not happy with how the event had unfolded.

1:05:11 > 1:05:17There was talk that there were going to cancel it and do it another day.

1:05:17 > 1:05:24It was just like, guys, this is the Paralympics, we want to race. It was

1:05:24 > 1:05:29tough. It was really tough. It was a shame that today has gone the way it

1:05:29 > 1:05:33has gone in general, because we wanted to put on a good show.

1:05:33 > 1:05:36No medals for Great Britain. The snowboarders will get another chance

1:05:36 > 1:05:41later in the week in the slalom. There was success for the wheelchair

1:05:41 > 1:05:47curlers. They won their match against Sweden 6-1. They will go

1:05:47 > 1:05:53against Canada later today. They are the Paralympic champions.

1:05:53 > 1:05:56Tottenham Mandem than fans will be waiting for the result of a scan

1:05:56 > 1:06:00today on Harry Kane's ankle. He was forced off against Bournemouth

1:06:00 > 1:06:09yesterday. Heung-Min Son found the net twice as Spurs won 4-1.

1:06:09 > 1:06:13Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger says his team need to get the fans back

1:06:13 > 1:06:17on site after their recent poor form. The players did their bit

1:06:17 > 1:06:21yesterday, beating Watford 3-0, but still plenty of empty seats at the

1:06:21 > 1:06:24Emirates. There was a cracking old firm derby

1:06:24 > 1:06:27in the Scottish premiership. Josh Windass putting Rangers ahead after

1:06:27 > 1:06:30three minutes. It was 2-2 at half-time before Celtic snatched

1:06:30 > 1:06:37victory thanks to Odsonne Edouard. Tiger Woods came so close to winning

1:06:37 > 1:06:41his first event for more than four years at the Valspar Championship in

1:06:41 > 1:06:48Florida. The 14 times major winner has slipped to 388th in the world

1:06:48 > 1:06:52rankings. He needed this putt on the final hole to force a play-off with

1:06:52 > 1:06:57Englishman Paul Casey. It came up just short. That is Casey's first

1:06:57 > 1:07:02tournament victory for nearly four years.

1:07:02 > 1:07:05There was a really disappointing defeat for the British number one

1:07:05 > 1:07:12Kyle Edmund at the Indian Wells open. It was his first match since

1:07:12 > 1:07:16reaching the final stages of the Australian open. He was beaten in

1:07:16 > 1:07:21straight sets. That is all the sport for now. Headlines at half

1:07:21 > 1:07:24past ten.

1:07:24 > 1:07:27Theresa May will meet the National Security Council today,

1:07:27 > 1:07:29who are looking at the latest evidence of the suspected poisoning

1:07:29 > 1:07:33of a former Russian double agent and his daughter.

1:07:33 > 1:07:35An assessment will be made of who might have carried out

1:07:35 > 1:07:38the nerve agent attack.

1:07:38 > 1:07:43Sergei and Yulia Skripal remain critically ill in hospital.

1:07:43 > 1:07:45People in Salisbury are concerned about possible

1:07:45 > 1:07:47contamination, and say advice from officials has been slow.

1:07:47 > 1:07:50Yesterday up to 500 Salisbury members of the public

1:07:50 > 1:07:53who were in a pub and restaurant at the same time as the Skripals,

1:07:53 > 1:07:56were told to wash their possessions as a precaution after traces

1:07:56 > 1:07:59of the nerve agent were found there.

1:07:59 > 1:08:06Leila Nathoo is in Salisbury.

1:08:06 > 1:08:12What is the latest? What is happening today?There are still a

1:08:12 > 1:08:16number of locations still in play in the best occasion. The bench behind

1:08:16 > 1:08:22me remains cordoned off. The restaurant, Zizzi, and the pub are

1:08:22 > 1:08:25key sites in the investigation because traces of the nerve agent

1:08:25 > 1:08:28have been found at both locations. Police are still carrying out

1:08:28 > 1:08:34searches there. We know the table at the Zizzi restaurant were surrogate

1:08:34 > 1:08:39and Yulia had their lunch has been contaminated so much it has been

1:08:39 > 1:08:44destroyed. We know the police are still examining Sergei Skripal's car

1:08:44 > 1:08:48and his home. Clearly a number of locations still of interest to the

1:08:48 > 1:08:53police. They are trying to ascertain exactly when and how they were

1:08:53 > 1:08:59exposed to this deadly chemical. Police do know the nature of the

1:08:59 > 1:09:02nerve agent, the precise chemical that was used in this attack. They

1:09:02 > 1:09:06are not revealing that publicly. Clearly that will give them an

1:09:06 > 1:09:09understanding of exactly how fast acting this chemical was, and will

1:09:09 > 1:09:15likely help them identify the exact time and place the two were exposed

1:09:15 > 1:09:19to that substance. This morning, Theresa May is going to chair the

1:09:19 > 1:09:23meeting of the National Security Council. She's been kept updated on

1:09:23 > 1:09:26the investigation. We know the Cobra emergency committee has met to

1:09:26 > 1:09:32discuss this at the highest level. Clearly there is interest now to try

1:09:32 > 1:09:37to pin some blame on who was responsible. Although Amber Rudd has

1:09:37 > 1:09:41been urging caution in jumping to conclusions, the possibility that

1:09:41 > 1:09:45the Russian state is involved in some way in this incident is clearly

1:09:45 > 1:09:50been considered quite strongly.And some people cross because they were

1:09:50 > 1:09:55told, wash your possessions if you were in that pub or restaurant, but

1:09:55 > 1:10:01they were told seven days after the poisoning happened?Yeah, all along

1:10:01 > 1:10:04there has been some concern about the wider risk to the public about

1:10:04 > 1:10:12this. This was a deadly chemical used. The bench was cleared last

1:10:12 > 1:10:17Sunday night by police and officers in huge protective suits. There has

1:10:17 > 1:10:20been reassurance from public health officials that there was no wider

1:10:20 > 1:10:25risk to the public and no reason to be alarmed. Yesterday, a full week

1:10:25 > 1:10:30on from the incident itself, we get this warning to around 500 people

1:10:30 > 1:10:34who dined at Zizzi and had been to the Mill Pub, as a precaution, to

1:10:34 > 1:10:42say, wash clothes, wiped down any phones, any objects, as a precaution

1:10:42 > 1:10:46in case Tupe don't -- to prevent repeated exposure. There has been

1:10:46 > 1:10:52anger and confusion among residents who say, if we are at risk, why are

1:10:52 > 1:10:56we only told this far on? If we are not, why are we being told at all?

1:10:56 > 1:11:00We spoke to one man who was at the Mill Pub.

1:11:00 > 1:11:06I have been more worried as the week has gone on and the gravity of the

1:11:06 > 1:11:10event that has taken place in a small city has unravelled. The last

1:11:10 > 1:11:14few days have become more concerning. Certainly because they

1:11:14 > 1:11:19haven't revealed what the nerve agent was. And what the effect, the

1:11:19 > 1:11:24long-term effect, on anyone's health could be. I'd like to know what

1:11:24 > 1:11:29precautions I personally can take, rather than just washing my clothes,

1:11:29 > 1:11:31having potentially already been exposed, what other long-term

1:11:31 > 1:11:34indications are there for me and my wife?

1:11:34 > 1:11:38We can talk now to Matthew Dean, Conservative Leader

1:11:38 > 1:11:42of Salisbury City Council.

1:11:42 > 1:11:47Also with us, Marina Litvinenko, the wife of Alexander Litvinenko, a

1:11:47 > 1:11:54former Russian agent killed in 2006 after defecting to the UK. And Harry

1:11:54 > 1:11:57Ferguson, a former MI6 officer. Matthew Dean, why did it take so

1:11:57 > 1:12:03long to warn people?I think that was because of emerging science,

1:12:03 > 1:12:07actually. You will recall that when this incident happened last Sunday,

1:12:07 > 1:12:13the original speculation was that the casualties had taken a heroin

1:12:13 > 1:12:17substitute. It took some days for Public Health England to ascertain

1:12:17 > 1:12:22it was a nerve agent, and then some further science has been done and

1:12:22 > 1:12:28they issued this very much precautionary advice yesterday,

1:12:28 > 1:12:34saying that only if you were in the Mill Pub or Zizzi's restaurant on

1:12:34 > 1:12:41Sunday or Monday, you may wish to wash your clothes to eliminate any

1:12:41 > 1:12:51possible long-term risk of public health contamination.

1:12:51 > 1:12:57health contamination.You don't think the warning...Without

1:12:57 > 1:12:59exposure you have no risk whatsoever. If you are in the city

1:12:59 > 1:13:05going about your normal business, there is no risk.Why didn't the

1:13:05 > 1:13:08warning, earlier? We knew earlier in the week it was a deadly nerve

1:13:08 > 1:13:14agent, potentially?Well, we could only go on what Doctor Jane Harries,

1:13:14 > 1:13:19the deputy public health director of Public Health England, said

1:13:19 > 1:13:24yesterday. She said in her statement that the reason the advice was

1:13:24 > 1:13:27forthcoming yesterday was because they had done some more research.

1:13:27 > 1:13:31And they had reached the conclusion that there was a very small risk

1:13:31 > 1:13:38that if you are in that restaurant or that public house at the time,

1:13:38 > 1:13:43that any substance was administered to Mr Skripal or his daughter, but

1:13:43 > 1:13:46possibly, over weeks and months, if you continue to wear the same

1:13:46 > 1:13:52clothes without washing them, conceivably you may have some public

1:13:52 > 1:13:58health consequences. That was it. Of course, I think they just took the

1:13:58 > 1:14:01view that any advice is important to give out as soon as they have

1:14:01 > 1:14:05ascertained exactly what the risk was.

1:14:05 > 1:14:09Thank you very much, Matthew Dean. Let's talk to Marina Litvinenko and

1:14:09 > 1:14:14Harry Ferguson. Marina Litvinenko, what were your emotions when you

1:14:14 > 1:14:20heard what was happening in Salisbury?My first emotion was I

1:14:20 > 1:14:23was absolutely shocked. I couldn't believe something similar to me

1:14:23 > 1:14:30happened again. But when I hear what you already said in this programme,

1:14:30 > 1:14:34and even you ask why after just one week you need to protect yourself

1:14:34 > 1:14:41wash your clothes, remember, it was mustered 23 days just after my

1:14:41 > 1:14:48husband all these protections were done. Only after them. People didn't

1:14:48 > 1:14:51know. They were sitting in a place contaminated by radioactive

1:14:51 > 1:14:57material. They didn't know in hospital they were in contact with a

1:14:57 > 1:15:00person who was poisoned by radioactive material. In this case,

1:15:00 > 1:15:04I would like to say that after one week to receive this action is good.

1:15:04 > 1:15:08If you remember what happened in 2006, everything was so much

1:15:08 > 1:15:13delayed.

1:15:17 > 1:15:22But you are shocked this could happen again on British soil?Yes,

1:15:22 > 1:15:26because there was a very serious investigation after what happened to

1:15:26 > 1:15:32my husband. There was a lot of money paid for this investigation. After

1:15:32 > 1:15:36ten years we provided a public inquiry, which was not easy as well,

1:15:36 > 1:15:44but we did it and people who wanted to understand what actually happened

1:15:44 > 1:15:47in 2006 could see evidence and facts, and even more Russia was

1:15:47 > 1:15:55named after this public inquiry as a state behind this crime. And even

1:15:55 > 1:16:01more, president Putin was named, who has probably approved this crime.

1:16:01 > 1:16:08And I believed after this public inquiry verdict was released in 2016

1:16:08 > 1:16:16something would be done and what happened one week ago, it looks like

1:16:16 > 1:16:22nothing changed.Next week is the Russian presidential election,

1:16:22 > 1:16:32Vladimir Putin will probably be re-elected, I do think the killing

1:16:32 > 1:16:39of Sergei Skripal and his daughter is related to this?I don't think it

1:16:39 > 1:16:43does any harm. President Putin plays to his domestic audience which is

1:16:43 > 1:16:50Russian nationalists. If you ever have the chance to get at one of

1:16:50 > 1:16:53them come you take it and that appears to be what's happened in

1:16:53 > 1:16:59this case.Does that mean you think it is from Vladimir Putin's point of

1:16:59 > 1:17:05view, it is something that he

1:17:05 > 1:17:10view, it is something that he might be behind or just a freelancer?

1:17:10 > 1:17:14That's where it gets interesting and this is one of the reasons the

1:17:14 > 1:17:18Government has been cautious in attributing blame. It is hard to

1:17:18 > 1:17:25imagine who it could be other than the Russians, who else would want to

1:17:25 > 1:17:35kill him? But finding out who it is in Russia is very challenging. It

1:17:35 > 1:17:41has become rather like the wild west. There is an organisation of

1:17:41 > 1:17:44former KGB officers who are ultra nationalists who have sworn to get

1:17:44 > 1:17:50people like Sergei Skripal because they view traitors as the worst

1:17:50 > 1:17:55criminals possible. They are quite capable of doing something of their

1:17:55 > 1:18:01own back because they have the contacts. One thing that strikes me

1:18:01 > 1:18:05about this assassination attempt is that it is incredibly clumsy,

1:18:05 > 1:18:10particularly if it has come through the post. There's no reason the

1:18:10 > 1:18:13Russian intelligence services should do that and you've seen the

1:18:13 > 1:18:17long-term effects locally. It also killed a police officer which would

1:18:17 > 1:18:21have elevated the whole event which makes me wonder whether it is the

1:18:21 > 1:18:24intelligence services behind it or wannabes equally powerful groups who

1:18:24 > 1:18:35have a great deal of control in Russia today.OK, thank you, both.

1:18:36 > 1:18:40The letters started to arrive on Friday.

1:18:40 > 1:18:48Printed on a side of A4 paper with the title,

1:18:51 > 1:18:56'Punish a Muslim Day' - it lay out a points based system

1:18:56 > 1:18:58for certain acts of violence towards Muslims living in the UK,

1:18:58 > 1:19:01from 25 points for removing a woman's headscarf to 500 points

1:19:01 > 1:19:02for murdering a Muslim.

1:19:02 > 1:19:05"Are you a sheep like the vast majority of the population?"

1:19:05 > 1:19:06the letter reads.

1:19:06 > 1:19:07"Sheep follow orders and are easily led.

1:19:07 > 1:19:10They are allowing the white-majority nations of Europe and north America

1:19:10 > 1:19:12to become overrun by those who would like nothing

1:19:12 > 1:19:15more than to do us harm and to turn our democracies

1:19:15 > 1:19:18into Sharia-led police states."

1:19:18 > 1:19:22The letters were received by people in Bradford, Leicester, London,

1:19:22 > 1:19:27Cardiff and Sheffield.

1:19:27 > 1:19:28Counter-terrorism police,

1:19:28 > 1:19:33co-ordinated in the North East, are investigating.

1:19:33 > 1:19:35We can speak now to Riaz Ahmed, Lib Dem councillor

1:19:35 > 1:19:38in Bradford, who received one of the letters.

1:19:38 > 1:19:40Also Fiyaz Mughal, of Tell Mama UK, who monitor

1:19:40 > 1:19:41anti-Muslim hate crime.

1:19:41 > 1:19:43And Dr Paul Jackson, a far right expert at

1:19:43 > 1:19:51the University of Northampton.

1:19:53 > 1:19:58Welcome all of you.

1:19:58 > 1:20:01Mr Ahmed, when you opened this and read it, what did

1:20:01 > 1:20:05you think?

1:20:05 > 1:20:10I thought it was something that should go in the rubbish bin, an

1:20:10 > 1:20:13advertisement or something. When I read through it I was shocked and

1:20:13 > 1:20:18amazed that some of the wording used, which you mentioned earlier.

1:20:18 > 1:20:24Especially throwing acid. With the incidents that have happened around

1:20:24 > 1:20:29the country recently it was very shocking. The first reaction was to

1:20:29 > 1:20:38take the letter down to the police station.How worried are you?I am

1:20:38 > 1:20:46just over 60 years old.Nope, sorry, how worried are you?I wasn't

1:20:46 > 1:20:51worried about it myself, but the more I thought about it the more

1:20:51 > 1:20:54shocking it became because the intention is to terrorise people and

1:20:54 > 1:21:01caused discord in the community. Will it work?No, I'm proud to say

1:21:01 > 1:21:07it hasn't worked and will not work because the people in Britain have

1:21:07 > 1:21:15come beyond that. Very few people still hold those extreme views.

1:21:15 > 1:21:21Iman, how many reports of letters has your charity received?

1:21:22 > 1:21:26Approximately 15 cases of these letters which have gone to people

1:21:26 > 1:21:30across the country, so there's been about 15 of these letters but they

1:21:30 > 1:21:35are very random. Clearly someone has looked at or found Muslim sounding

1:21:35 > 1:21:39names and sent them off so it is targeted in the sense it is Muslim

1:21:39 > 1:21:46individuals receiving it, but there are 15 today. A similar campaign was

1:21:46 > 1:21:53run from Sheffield postal area to mosques in America so this is the

1:21:53 > 1:21:56second part of a campaign and whether they are linked or not, the

1:21:56 > 1:22:02police will only know. The reality is this is not the first campaign

1:22:02 > 1:22:07that has taken place targeting Muslim communities whether in the UK

1:22:07 > 1:22:13or the US.What impact is it having? It is elevating a sense of fear,

1:22:13 > 1:22:17particularly within Muslim women. They have already felt fear in

1:22:17 > 1:22:20relation to hate crimes and incidents may have seen in the press

1:22:20 > 1:22:25and other areas so it has raised elevation of fear in some parts of

1:22:25 > 1:22:31the community but certainly as a society we see this for what it is.

1:22:31 > 1:22:34It is a group of individuals trying to be malicious and we won't fall

1:22:34 > 1:22:41into that trap.Paul Jackson, you were an expert in the far right from

1:22:41 > 1:22:47the University of Northampton. Who might be behind these letters?I

1:22:47 > 1:22:54don't know, possibly an individual or a small group of people. Many

1:22:54 > 1:22:59extreme groups are in a marginalised, weak position and this

1:22:59 > 1:23:04letter campaign is very low-tech, it is very easy to do in various ways

1:23:04 > 1:23:08but it doesn't suggest a super well resourced group behind this, yet

1:23:08 > 1:23:13they are also able to spread a lot of fear, but maybe inspire some

1:23:13 > 1:23:19other people to carry out some of these attacks too.And these kind of

1:23:19 > 1:23:23tactics have been used before?I don't want to go too much into the

1:23:23 > 1:23:26detail of the letter itself but some of the types of attacks that have

1:23:26 > 1:23:32been listed are things we have seen in the last few years, like acid

1:23:32 > 1:23:35attacks, and the Finsbury Park mosque attack, so it is chiming with

1:23:35 > 1:23:39something that could be seen as tangible in terms of the ways Muslim

1:23:39 > 1:23:45people have been attacked in recent years.What is the state of the far

1:23:45 > 1:23:49right in this country at the moment in terms of numbers and strength and

1:23:49 > 1:23:55so on?I think it has declined, in the sense larger organisations have

1:23:55 > 1:23:58waned like the British National Party and the English Defence

1:23:58 > 1:24:03League. Now we have a larger range of either small groups or

1:24:03 > 1:24:08individuals who can be very extreme, can have the most extreme views you

1:24:08 > 1:24:14can possibly imagine, and feel they are under a sense of existential

1:24:14 > 1:24:19threat to their white identities and that was communicated in part of

1:24:19 > 1:24:24this letter in a way. They may feel they really do need to carry out

1:24:24 > 1:24:29violent attacks in order to be able to defend themselves. So the state

1:24:29 > 1:24:34is small and fragmented but sometimes quite dangerous.Thank

1:24:34 > 1:24:40you, I'm sorry, I called you buy a different name, I expected your

1:24:40 > 1:24:47colleague.It's fine. We are going to talk about Ken Dodd

1:24:47 > 1:24:49now.

1:24:49 > 1:24:53Sir Ken Dodd, creator of the Diddy Men and one of the most

1:24:53 > 1:24:55popular comedians of his time, has died at the age of 90.

1:24:55 > 1:24:58The Liverpool legend - famous for his tickling stick -

1:24:58 > 1:25:00had recently been released from hospital after six weeks

1:25:00 > 1:25:01of treatment for a chest infection.

1:25:01 > 1:25:05He'd been a comedian since 1954, and made it into the Guinness Book

1:25:05 > 1:25:07of Records in the 1960s for telling 1,500 jokes

1:25:07 > 1:25:15in three and a half hours.

1:25:32 > 1:25:36Geronimo!

1:27:16 > 1:27:18Happiness!

1:27:18 > 1:27:20We can speak now to the actress Claire Sweeney,

1:27:20 > 1:27:26a friend of Ken Dodd who grew up working with him.

1:27:26 > 1:27:36How will you remember him?He was a one-off, wasn't he? A lot of people

1:27:36 > 1:27:41didn't know much about his personal life but from my point of view he

1:27:41 > 1:27:45was the most generous and kind man. What he gave me was more precious

1:27:45 > 1:27:54than anything, he gave me time as -- he gave me time. As a 14-year-old

1:27:54 > 1:27:59girl I used to support him, and I remember watching him record a

1:27:59 > 1:28:03television show. In the Green room afterwards, I was there with my

1:28:03 > 1:28:07parents, and it was a room full of stars and television executives and

1:28:07 > 1:28:11he spent the majority of the time talking to me and my parents,

1:28:11 > 1:28:18advising me and giving me pearls of wisdom about the business. Even last

1:28:18 > 1:28:21year, we were at a party and he was asking me about my three-year-old

1:28:21 > 1:28:26son, and he said, do you think he has any inclinations about the

1:28:26 > 1:28:31business? He said, if he has funny bones tell me to spend the day with

1:28:31 > 1:28:37me, and I will teach him everything he needs to know. The workshop. He

1:28:37 > 1:28:43lived and breathed the business but behind every successful man there's

1:28:43 > 1:28:51a wonderful woman, and Ann was with him every step of the way. She would

1:28:51 > 1:28:56be with a notebook writing down the jokes he did, she was always there

1:28:56 > 1:29:03for him.And it's very moving to read they actually got married on

1:29:03 > 1:29:09Friday, didn't they?Yes, a wonderful woman.You were at his

1:29:09 > 1:29:1590th birthday party which must have been amazing.Last night I heard the

1:29:15 > 1:29:22news, I sat reflecting and thought what a great sendoff for him when he

1:29:22 > 1:29:27was here. All of his friends and family were there, and all of the

1:29:27 > 1:29:33comics, people got up and paid tribute to him, told jokes. He did

1:29:33 > 1:29:37his turn at the end and everyone was there to adore him and tell him how

1:29:37 > 1:29:45much he loved him -- we loved him before he left us.Will there ever

1:29:45 > 1:29:49be anyone like him again?Times have changed. I was speaking to someone

1:29:49 > 1:29:55this morning, and they said, the thing about Ken is he didn't need

1:29:55 > 1:30:00television or press exposure. Not like nowadays, he was a legendary

1:30:00 > 1:30:04status without doing an interview or any television he could fill

1:30:04 > 1:30:10theatres. And his respect, I worked with Jason Manford last year, and he

1:30:10 > 1:30:15adored Kent. It was the younger generation of comics who completely

1:30:15 > 1:30:21adored him and respected him.

1:30:22 > 1:30:24Thank you for coming on the programme.

1:30:24 > 1:30:29We appreciated. Thank you for your many comments we have had a better

1:30:29 > 1:30:33film we played at the beginning of the programme involving a group of

1:30:33 > 1:30:37volunteers taking over a four-storey empty building in the centre of

1:30:37 > 1:30:41London, in the West End, and effectively inviting anybody who is

1:30:41 > 1:30:45homeless to share it with them. Allison says, while I think that

1:30:45 > 1:30:49what the people in London are doing is admirable, this is not fair on

1:30:49 > 1:30:53landlords who have Depay business rates on empty properties and

1:30:53 > 1:30:57utility bills to keep services running. It also means the landlords

1:30:57 > 1:31:02will not be able to advertise their properties is available for letting.

1:31:02 > 1:31:05It is unfair that landlords have to go to the extremes and costs of

1:31:05 > 1:31:10getting an eviction order to get the squatters out of their property. It

1:31:10 > 1:31:13is not the responsibility of landlords to subsidise social

1:31:13 > 1:31:17welfare, nor should this be the case. Leslie is a private landlord.

1:31:17 > 1:31:21She has a little house standing empty while advertising a tougher

1:31:21 > 1:31:26rent. She had a lot of viewings. The quality of the applicants was not

1:31:26 > 1:31:29good. After three or four months she had a letter from the local council

1:31:29 > 1:31:33threatening to take it over from this use. The shock of this was

1:31:33 > 1:31:40terrible. This is my investment, my income, my future. David says that

1:31:40 > 1:31:47as a child he, together with his mum and sister, were harmless and were

1:31:47 > 1:31:50accommodated in workouts in Camberwell. His mum worked in the

1:31:50 > 1:31:53kitchen and all unemployed adults were working in the building to run

1:31:53 > 1:31:58and maintain it. Is it time to bring back such hostels? There are many

1:31:58 > 1:32:02old mills and warehouses that could be converted and made habitable.

1:32:02 > 1:32:07Lilly says, what a fantastic man the volunteer was, providing such

1:32:07 > 1:32:11essential, life-saving helper rough sleeper is in London. Stuff the

1:32:11 > 1:32:16building, it has been vacant for 15 years. They should be commended and

1:32:16 > 1:32:21supported. This could be a new scheme by the government. The power

1:32:21 > 1:32:27of peer support, I love it. Coming up, Jamie Carragher has

1:32:27 > 1:32:31apologised... I will start that again. Jamie Carragher has said he

1:32:31 > 1:32:35will apologise again properly over spitting at a 14-year-old girl,

1:32:35 > 1:32:40which has left him facing talks with his Sky Sports bosses. More in the

1:32:40 > 1:32:43next half an hour. And new allegations about controversial

1:32:43 > 1:32:51bowel surgery. A leading pioneer of mesh surgery at the centre of an NHS

1:32:51 > 1:32:56investigation in Bristol. The full story in the next few minutes.

1:32:56 > 1:33:02Time for the latest news - here's Joanna Gosling.

1:33:02 > 1:33:06Comedian Sir Ken Dodd has died at the age of 90. Described as one of

1:33:06 > 1:33:10the last musical greats, he was known phrase marathon stage

1:33:10 > 1:33:14performances and the creation of the Diddy Men and the tickling stick.

1:33:14 > 1:33:17The Liverpool performer had been recently treated for chest

1:33:17 > 1:33:17infection.

1:33:17 > 1:33:19The Government's National Security Council will meet

1:33:19 > 1:33:22shortly, to discuss the nerve agent attack in Salisbury of a former

1:33:22 > 1:33:24Russian intelligence officer and his daughter.

1:33:24 > 1:33:25The group, chaired by the Prime Minister,

1:33:25 > 1:33:28will be given the latest evidence and intelligence on the attack,

1:33:28 > 1:33:31before deciding what action should be taken.

1:33:31 > 1:33:34Yesterday hundreds of people who were in the same pub

1:33:34 > 1:33:37and restaurant as the victims, were warned to wash their clothes

1:33:37 > 1:33:45and other belongings they had on them at the time.

1:33:45 > 1:33:49Many people are feared to -- feared to have died in a plane crash in

1:33:49 > 1:33:53Kathmandu. Several bodies have been recovered.

1:33:53 > 1:33:55The plane from US-Bangla Airline went off the runway

1:33:55 > 1:33:58while landing, and crashed on the side of the runway,

1:33:58 > 1:33:59according to the Kathmandu Post.

1:33:59 > 1:34:04It failed to land and ended up on fire on a football pitch.

1:34:04 > 1:34:06There are claims that up to 1,000 children may have

1:34:06 > 1:34:09been abused in the Shropshire town of Telford over a 40 year period -

1:34:09 > 1:34:11and MPs are now calling for an inquiry.

1:34:11 > 1:34:13Seven men have already been convicted,

1:34:13 > 1:34:14but it's thought others have escaped charges.

1:34:14 > 1:34:17It's thought the unfolding scandal in Telford could be the worst

1:34:17 > 1:34:25the country has ever seen.

1:34:25 > 1:34:27Jamie Carragher has apologised, after a video showed

1:34:27 > 1:34:28the former England and Liverpool defender

1:34:28 > 1:34:30spitting at a girl in a car.

1:34:30 > 1:34:31The footballer, who's now a TV pundit,

1:34:31 > 1:34:33had been covering his former side's 2-1 defeat

1:34:33 > 1:34:35by Manchester United on Saturday.

1:34:35 > 1:34:37Footage has emerged of Mr Carragher spitting toward

1:34:37 > 1:34:38the vehicle from his own car.

1:34:38 > 1:34:41On Twitter, he said he'd been provoked, but described his actions

1:34:41 > 1:34:44as "totally out of order".

1:34:44 > 1:34:49That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

1:34:49 > 1:34:53This is what you say about the spitting incident involving Jamie

1:34:53 > 1:34:56Carragher. Ridgers says watching spitting at a teenage girl an

1:34:56 > 1:35:02absolute disgrace. While the FA tries to clean up football, this

1:35:02 > 1:35:06sort of behaviour is shocking to see from an adult in a public arena. I

1:35:06 > 1:35:09hope Sky Sports remove him from their channel. John says, the driver

1:35:09 > 1:35:14of the car in the character incident should be arrested. He was driving

1:35:14 > 1:35:18using his phone to film the incident, not paying attention to

1:35:18 > 1:35:22what he was doing and putting his daughter at risk. He has broken the

1:35:22 > 1:35:26law. Pete says it is clear from the video that character was driving

1:35:26 > 1:35:30dangerously and behaving violently because his team had lost. He should

1:35:30 > 1:35:33be prosecuted. If it was done on the pitch he would be banned.

1:35:33 > 1:35:36Now let's get some sport with Will.

1:35:36 > 1:35:42It has been a morning to forget for Britain's snowboarders at the Winter

1:35:42 > 1:35:45Paralympics. All three were knocked out. Owen Pick was eliminated in the

1:35:45 > 1:35:51first race. The metal start gate broke, which meant they had to use a

1:35:51 > 1:35:56piece of rope. Harry Kane will have a scan on his ankle today after he

1:35:56 > 1:36:04was injured during Tottenham's 4-1 win over Bournemouth. Wales move

1:36:04 > 1:36:10into second in the Six Nations table after victory over Italy in Cardiff.

1:36:10 > 1:36:15George North scored two of their five tries, securing the bonus point

1:36:15 > 1:36:20win. And Tiger Woods came so close to winning his first title in more

1:36:20 > 1:36:27than four years. He needed that putt but ended up finishing just one shot

1:36:27 > 1:36:30behind Englishman Paul Casey at the Valspar Championship. The trial of

1:36:30 > 1:36:34Ben Stokes will start at Bristol Crown Court on the 6th of August,

1:36:34 > 1:36:36which means he will miss the Lord's test against India.

1:36:36 > 1:36:45Thank you. Let's talk about Jamie Carragher. He has said he will

1:36:45 > 1:36:52apologise again properly over him spitting, basically, which is left

1:36:52 > 1:36:56him facing talks with his Sky Sports bosses. He will need them today

1:36:56 > 1:36:59after he spat at a 14-year-old girl at the weekend.

1:36:59 > 1:37:13Here is the video recording.I will speak to the family again. Yes.

1:37:13 > 1:37:19speak to the family again. Yes.Is out of character?Of course.

1:37:40 > 1:37:46No response to, are you going to be sacked? Is Sky Sports spokesman said

1:37:46 > 1:37:52they will address it with Jamie. Here is the video of the spitting.

1:37:59 > 1:38:072-1, lad! Unlucky.Then the girl said, he spat at me. We will see

1:38:07 > 1:38:11what happens. You can follow developments on BBC News.

1:38:11 > 1:38:16Next, mesh. Excruciating pain, loss of bowel control, these are various

1:38:16 > 1:38:21outcomes for patients who had a controversial type of bowel surgery

1:38:21 > 1:38:25done by a surgeon who is now under investigation by the NHS, and

1:38:25 > 1:38:31suspended from two hospitals. It is an issue we have covered on this

1:38:31 > 1:38:36programme many times. Tony Dixon, working privately and for the NHS in

1:38:36 > 1:38:38Bristol, used synthetic mesh in operations designed to help people

1:38:38 > 1:38:45with bowel problems like constipation and prolapse. A BBC

1:38:45 > 1:38:50investigation led to more than 50 women are getting in touch. And new

1:38:50 > 1:38:54allegations coming to light. Matthew Hill reports. A group of

1:38:54 > 1:38:59women brought together by the BBC. They had surgery to help fix a

1:38:59 > 1:39:05sagging bowel, or prolapse, and relieve constipation. Last year, I

1:39:05 > 1:39:10revealed major concerns about the mesh used in this procedure and

1:39:10 > 1:39:13about one pioneering surgeon, Tony Dixon. After the film went out,

1:39:13 > 1:39:18around 50 people got in touch. I invited them to Bristol to hear

1:39:18 > 1:39:23their stories.Chop me that people were having issues. I thought I was

1:39:23 > 1:39:29an individual case. -- it shocked me. Obviously not. There were calls

1:39:29 > 1:39:35for the mesh to be banned after the documentary.The mesh can erode

1:39:35 > 1:39:40become infected.It failed within three weeks. I felt everything

1:39:40 > 1:39:46dropping. It was very uncomfortable. Most of the patients we have spoken

1:39:46 > 1:39:51to came to see Mr Dixon here in Bristol. Many paid thousands of

1:39:51 > 1:39:53pounds for private operations. Some were seen on the NHS. They were

1:39:53 > 1:40:00attracted to him because he built up an international reputation in bowel

1:40:00 > 1:40:08surgery using the mesh. Mr Dixon also works at Southmead. He has been

1:40:08 > 1:40:12suspended from operating at both hospitals while they investigate. He

1:40:12 > 1:40:14couldn't comment on specific allegations because of patient

1:40:14 > 1:40:22confidentiality. Joe Howard mesh before she saw Mr

1:40:22 > 1:40:28Dixon in 2012. It didn't work. I explained I was still in pain and

1:40:28 > 1:40:31he asked me about my intimate relationship with my husband and how

1:40:31 > 1:40:36that was at the time.What did you say?I said at the time that six was

1:40:36 > 1:40:43still a bit painful, to be honest. -- sex. He said, surely it's good

1:40:43 > 1:40:49when sex is a bit painful?What did you think of that?I was just

1:40:49 > 1:40:54shocked.She said she wanted a new biological mesh, but I heard that Mr

1:40:54 > 1:40:58Dixon used plastic.The previous specialist recommended no more

1:40:58 > 1:41:03synthetic mesh be put in because of the problems I had had. I was under

1:41:03 > 1:41:09the impression that biological mesh would be used.What happened?I had

1:41:09 > 1:41:16the operation. A short while after I was experiencing pain, ex-specially

1:41:16 > 1:41:22when passing stills. My bowel felt like it was on fire at times.Mr

1:41:22 > 1:41:27Dixon said he could not comment on specific allegations because of

1:41:27 > 1:41:30patient confidentiality, but has apologised in the past when a

1:41:30 > 1:41:35patient complained about his behaviour. Many of his patients are

1:41:35 > 1:41:44now travelling to London for help. And there is one surgeon they want

1:41:44 > 1:41:48to see, whose services have bidding huge demand in recent months,

1:41:48 > 1:41:51specifically for mesh removal. There is no way of knowing how many people

1:41:51 > 1:41:55it happen too.A lot of patients are now aware that the symptoms they

1:41:55 > 1:41:59have had for many years may be related to the complications with

1:41:59 > 1:42:04the mess. They have come to seek help. We had at the beginning around

1:42:04 > 1:42:09two or three a month. We are now getting at least one patient every

1:42:09 > 1:42:15other third or fourth day.

1:42:17 > 1:42:19other third or fourth day.I used to perform live regularly in different

1:42:19 > 1:42:26bands. Things have not been right for me since I had that procedure

1:42:26 > 1:42:33because I feel like it's changed me on some level.David Rowlands

1:42:33 > 1:42:36suffered years of bowel pain before coming to see a specialist in

1:42:36 > 1:42:44Bristol.He explained a little about what he thought the problem was and

1:42:44 > 1:42:50he said, "I am going to put you in a taxi immediately." Before I knew it

1:42:50 > 1:42:56I was being ferried to a consultation room with Mr Dixon. My

1:42:56 > 1:43:01head was spinning, thinking, what on earth is going on?What happened?

1:43:01 > 1:43:07Hull he said he would need to do a consultation. Now this examination

1:43:07 > 1:43:15was simply a digital examination. Of my back passage. And that lasted for

1:43:15 > 1:43:22maybe five minutes. It was very quick, really. He sort of described

1:43:22 > 1:43:29it as a vast amount of prolapse inside there. Just weeks later,

1:43:29 > 1:43:35David had the mesh. It didn't work. Experts told me it is harder to

1:43:35 > 1:43:39diagnose a small prolapse without a scam. David would have known if it

1:43:39 > 1:43:43had have been severe. The speed of events has left him doubting whether

1:43:43 > 1:43:49he needed mesh at all.I mean, it's looking very much like that that

1:43:49 > 1:43:55might be the case. I'm not a doctor. I don't know.That is how you feel?

1:43:55 > 1:44:02Gosh, yeah. Mr Dixon has previously said any

1:44:02 > 1:44:05surgery could have complications and that his operations were done in

1:44:05 > 1:44:10good faith and the majority were successful. Mesh does work for some

1:44:10 > 1:44:18people. It did for Emily.I had the operation fully explained, what it

1:44:18 > 1:44:26was, the reason for it.Did that include publications?Yes.Like

1:44:26 > 1:44:30many, she had a prolapse and is one of a handful of people to contact us

1:44:30 > 1:44:35in support of Mr Dixon. She says he was always professional.It was

1:44:35 > 1:44:41really a massive change. I felt like I had felt before I had the

1:44:41 > 1:44:53children. Continence was fine. All the discomfort was gone.I have

1:44:53 > 1:44:57always been told mesh complication rates are very low, and it should

1:44:57 > 1:45:02work for most people. But where is the evidence for this? This from the

1:45:02 > 1:45:10pelvic floor society. Tony Dixon was a founder member. They have only

1:45:10 > 1:45:17just started collecting data but admitted poor quality.

1:45:21 > 1:45:28How can you quote those rates when it is poor data you are basing it

1:45:28 > 1:45:37on?It is the only data we have. The criticism is the same for any

1:45:37 > 1:45:44medical research.Back in Bristol, the hospital said they could not

1:45:44 > 1:45:56comment on individual cases. Spire saved he no longer worked there.

1:45:56 > 1:46:00Guidance is now tightening on mesh but only after many patients

1:46:00 > 1:46:08suffered and Tony Dixon made his name.I am getting by, but I have

1:46:08 > 1:46:16lost a part of myself in that I am not doing the performing and writing

1:46:16 > 1:46:21because it has knocked me back. Sometimes you look at the prognosis

1:46:21 > 1:46:28ahead of you and it can become very daunting. I have been told if the

1:46:28 > 1:46:34methods I use now to continue with my life don't work, I will have to

1:46:34 > 1:46:45have a bag. It is something I don't think about at my age.You can watch

1:46:45 > 1:47:03the report on the iPlayer after 8:30pm tonight.

1:47:05 > 1:47:11Let's get more on the breaking news from Nepal that there has been a

1:47:11 > 1:47:19crash near Kathmandu airport. The plane reportedly became unstable as

1:47:19 > 1:47:25it descended and skidded off the runway. Let's talk to our reporter

1:47:25 > 1:47:33in Kathmandu. What more can you tell us?What we are hearing from the

1:47:33 > 1:47:42airport authorities is that there were 67 passengers, and it overshot

1:47:42 > 1:47:45the runway and crashed in the eastern part of the runway and

1:47:45 > 1:47:52immediately caught fire. The fire has been contained and according to

1:47:52 > 1:47:59the authorities, 25 people have been rushed to hospital and there are

1:47:59 > 1:48:14some reports of casualties. The rescue operation is ongoing.

1:48:14 > 1:48:15rescue operation is ongoing.What weather conditions like as this

1:48:15 > 1:48:28plane came in?The weather was a bit cloudy but not exceptional. The

1:48:28 > 1:48:34plane just skidded off the runway and overshot, according to the

1:48:34 > 1:48:39general manager of the airport. Currently the flights are all

1:48:39 > 1:48:47cancelled.Thank you very much.

1:48:47 > 1:48:49cancelled.Thank you very much. A big reaction from you two-hour film

1:48:49 > 1:48:52about a group of homeless people in London who have settled on a

1:48:52 > 1:48:57building that has been empty for many years and they have effectively

1:48:57 > 1:49:07invited any homeless person in to share the shelter.

1:49:07 > 1:49:08On Wednesday the group, calling themselves

1:49:08 > 1:49:11the Sofia Solidarity Centre, will go to court to fight

1:49:11 > 1:49:13a possession order from the landlord in a bid to stay.

1:49:13 > 1:49:16We gained access to the building and spoke to some of the volunteers

1:49:16 > 1:49:19and people living there.

1:49:19 > 1:49:29We played you the full film earlier, here is a short extract.

1:49:34 > 1:49:36OK, so when we have somebody new come in,

1:49:36 > 1:49:39they come in the front door, they'll be greeted here.

1:49:39 > 1:49:42We'll ask them what they need, how they are, what their priority is,

1:49:42 > 1:49:45whether they want to go straight to sleep, to eat, and we have

1:49:45 > 1:49:47the kitchen down the end there.

1:49:47 > 1:49:50We can provide and are providing hot, nutritious food all the time.

1:49:50 > 1:49:51There's tea and coffee, some medical supplies,

1:49:51 > 1:49:54and we have people who know how to look after people.

1:49:54 > 1:49:56So if somebody needs some attention to wounds

1:49:56 > 1:49:57or infections, we can do that.

1:49:57 > 1:49:59We have been donated a huge amount of clothing, bedding,

1:49:59 > 1:50:02so whatever the people need and whatever their priorities are,

1:50:02 > 1:50:04we can look after them.

1:50:04 > 1:50:07We've got sitting areas on the ground floor here

1:50:07 > 1:50:14and on the first floor.

1:50:14 > 1:50:16There was electricity already on in the building,

1:50:16 > 1:50:17and the water was already on.

1:50:17 > 1:50:20We just tidied up the plumbing where there were leaks and stuff,

1:50:20 > 1:50:22made sure everything is safe and secure.

1:50:22 > 1:50:23We have qualified electricians helping us.

1:50:23 > 1:50:25I'm a plumber-builder as well, so...

1:50:25 > 1:50:27We do safety checks every day, make sure there's nothing dangerous,

1:50:27 > 1:50:29no cables to trip over, everything's lit properly,

1:50:29 > 1:50:30so people don't...

1:50:30 > 1:50:32Yeah, we're keeping people safe.

1:50:32 > 1:50:34Do you worry that you might attract the wrong kind of attention

1:50:34 > 1:50:39and people that don't necessarily need help might come here?

1:50:39 > 1:50:46It becomes quite obvious very quickly and, yes, it may happen.

1:50:46 > 1:50:48But that, as a percentage of the whole of what we're doing,

1:50:48 > 1:50:52I think it's worth it.

1:50:52 > 1:50:54Some people might argue that you guys aren't able to give

1:50:54 > 1:50:58the support that a lot of the people coming through the doors

1:50:58 > 1:51:05need that a shelter, a regular shelter, might be able to.

1:51:05 > 1:51:08I'll counter that with the fact that a lot of people who are supposedly

1:51:08 > 1:51:14psychologists and mental health workers have learnt it from a book.

1:51:14 > 1:51:17We've all learned it the hard way and we can actually give more

1:51:17 > 1:51:23support because we've all been down the road.

1:51:23 > 1:51:25If any person comes in with a particular issue,

1:51:25 > 1:51:27there is someone here who has already been through that issue.

1:51:27 > 1:51:30We can actually guide people through our own experiences,

1:51:30 > 1:51:32empathy and listening, so we're actually better qualified

1:51:32 > 1:51:34than most people who are qualified.

1:51:34 > 1:51:37What about others who might say that you've got no business being here,

1:51:37 > 1:51:39you don't own the building, that you're not paying

1:51:39 > 1:51:40rent for the building.

1:51:40 > 1:51:45What would you say to that?

1:51:45 > 1:51:47Our brothers and sisters have no business being

1:51:47 > 1:51:51on the street, freezing, dying.

1:51:51 > 1:51:53And there are ten empty commercial buildings for every

1:51:53 > 1:51:58person that is registered as street sleeping.

1:51:58 > 1:52:00Ten empty commercial buildings for every person who is registered

1:52:00 > 1:52:02as sleeping on the streets.

1:52:02 > 1:52:03I'm sorry.

1:52:03 > 1:52:06What business model is that?

1:52:06 > 1:52:09So, yeah, no business being here, with 100 people here, eating,

1:52:09 > 1:52:12sleeping, comfortably?

1:52:12 > 1:52:13We're saving lives here.

1:52:13 > 1:52:14I'm sorry.

1:52:14 > 1:52:16Property?

1:52:16 > 1:52:21I have disregard for that.

1:52:21 > 1:52:24When the building's been empty 15 years and we can save lives with it,

1:52:24 > 1:52:32it's our moral duty to save those lives.

1:52:38 > 1:52:43I have loads of comments here, I'm just going to find them. Bear with

1:52:43 > 1:52:49me on second. Alan says, I agree unused buildings should be used for

1:52:49 > 1:52:53homeless sleeping, however I don't agree with stealing utilities.

1:52:53 > 1:52:57Perhaps there could be away the utility companies could provide

1:52:57 > 1:53:08services at a nominal or for free as most rough sleepers received money

1:53:08 > 1:53:15from begging. Christopher says, would the viewers

1:53:15 > 1:53:21be so keen if they owned these properties? Some say is what's

1:53:21 > 1:53:27unfair is buildings being bought and then left an empty, as their value

1:53:27 > 1:53:33increases. Town centres lookalike dumps because of it. Karen says most

1:53:33 > 1:53:38cities have empty buildings and thousands of homeless people, it is

1:53:38 > 1:53:41not rocket. Thank you for those.

1:53:41 > 1:53:43Tory MPs have labelled as "wrong" and "unwise" comments

1:53:43 > 1:53:45made by Sir Vince Cable, that older Brexit voters

1:53:45 > 1:53:46were "driven by nostalgia".

1:53:46 > 1:53:49The Lib Dem leader said too many older people who voted

1:53:49 > 1:53:57Leave longed for a world where "faces were white".

1:55:00 > 1:55:05So, what motivated you to vote Leave?

1:55:05 > 1:55:07We can speak now to Ash Sarkar, Senior Editor

1:55:07 > 1:55:15at Novara Media, and Conservative activist Aman Singh Bhogal -

1:55:26 > 1:55:33What do you say to Vince Cable?Bite is wrong and disrespectful, and he's

1:55:33 > 1:55:38not trying to unite the country with what he has said. To make things

1:55:38 > 1:55:43worse, I think Vince Cable has doubled down this morning on calling

1:55:43 > 1:55:48so many people racist.That's not what he said, he said I didn't say

1:55:48 > 1:55:54that at all.I have travelled the country knocking on doors and the

1:55:54 > 1:56:00overwhelming majority of people I spoke to who wrote for Brexit was to

1:56:00 > 1:56:06take back control of laws, money and our borders, and to build a liberal,

1:56:06 > 1:56:09democratic and more reclusive United Kingdom which is fair to immigrants

1:56:09 > 1:56:22whether they are from Eastern Europe or India.What would you say, Ash?I

1:56:22 > 1:56:28voted Remain but I was not a Remain supporter, and I don't think all

1:56:28 > 1:56:34Leave voters are racist. However I do think all racists voted Leave

1:56:34 > 1:56:39because the campaign material was so racialised. The non-EU migrants,

1:56:39 > 1:56:44Brown faces, stood in for the figure in terms of Nigel Farage's breaking

1:56:44 > 1:56:49point posters. You cannot reduce everything to do with Leave to those

1:56:49 > 1:56:53moments but also imperial nostalgia is now shaping vision for a

1:56:53 > 1:57:01post-Brexit Society. Upcoming African trade deals have been

1:57:01 > 1:57:14described as Empire 2.0.I am an older voter, I voted to leave Europe

1:57:14 > 1:57:22and quite frankly it doesn't matter how you dress it up, any words used

1:57:22 > 1:57:28by Sir Vince Cable to say we are nostalgic for white faces is

1:57:28 > 1:57:33accusing us of being racist, there's no other way to describe it.And how

1:57:33 > 1:57:40do you react to that, Harry?I am thoroughly offended by it because I

1:57:40 > 1:57:47and the majority of shall we call them grey voters are not racist at

1:57:47 > 1:57:55all. We, if we voted back in the 70s, joined what we thought was just

1:57:55 > 1:58:01going to be a trading market. What we have now got is a move to some

1:58:01 > 1:58:08sort of federalised Europe, which we have had no consultation over.OK,

1:58:08 > 1:58:12I'm going to pause you there because it is the end of the programme.

1:58:12 > 1:58:18Thank you for your time, it was short but sweet.

1:58:18 > 1:58:20On the programme tomorrow - Noel Edmonds on why he's trying

1:58:20 > 1:58:23to sue a bank after falling victim to a multi-million pound

1:58:23 > 1:58:24fraud a decade ago.

1:58:24 > 1:58:25Thank you for your company