0:00:05 > 0:00:06Hello, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,
0:00:06 > 0:00:11welcome to the programme.
0:00:11 > 0:00:14Our top story today...
0:00:14 > 0:00:19President Trump comes out in support of the UK's decision to expel 23
0:00:19 > 0:00:21Russian diplomats from Britain after the nerve agent
0:00:21 > 0:00:22attack in Salisbury.
0:00:22 > 0:00:25The United States stands in absolute solidarity with Great Britain.
0:00:25 > 0:00:28The United States believes that Russia
0:00:28 > 0:00:32is responsible for the attack on two people in the United Kingdom, using
0:00:32 > 0:00:35a military grade nerve agent.
0:00:35 > 0:00:43We will get reaction. Also coming up on the programme...
0:00:43 > 0:00:46Sherry Denness was 17 when she attempted to take her own
0:00:46 > 0:00:49life nine times in ten days at the end of last
0:00:49 > 0:00:50year before she got
0:00:50 > 0:00:51the help she needed.
0:00:51 > 0:00:57Her dad's video seeking support for her went viral.
0:01:07 > 0:01:10Sherry Denness and her mum and dad wll be here shortly.
0:01:10 > 0:01:12And working repeated shifts, but for free,
0:01:12 > 0:01:15with no offer of a job at the end of it.
0:01:15 > 0:01:22There are calls to ban the practice of unpaid trial shifts
0:01:22 > 0:01:25and it will be debated in Parliament.
0:01:25 > 0:01:27Did your unpaid shifts lead to a job, or not?
0:01:27 > 0:01:30Let us know.
0:01:32 > 0:01:33Hello.
0:01:33 > 0:01:34Welcome to the programme.
0:01:34 > 0:01:38We're live until 11 this morning.
0:01:38 > 0:01:43Later, we'll be talking about beer yoga - where you can enjoy sipping
0:01:43 > 0:01:46a nice, cold lager while doing the downward dog.
0:01:46 > 0:01:52Can you believe that?That is after 10am.
0:01:52 > 0:01:59Also, we definitely want to hear your own experiences of children
0:01:59 > 0:02:01with mental health problems and how difficult, or otherwise,
0:02:01 > 0:02:05it was to get the right help.
0:02:05 > 0:02:08We've got a searing example of how it didn't work early
0:02:08 > 0:02:09enough for one teenager.
0:02:09 > 0:02:11We'll be talking to her at 9.15am.
0:02:11 > 0:02:12Our top story today...
0:02:12 > 0:02:15The White House has given its backing to Britain's decision
0:02:15 > 0:02:16to expel Russian diplomats in retaliation for the nerve
0:02:16 > 0:02:24agent attack on Sergei Skripal and his daughter.
0:02:28 > 0:02:31The US said it was a just response and America stood in solidarity
0:02:31 > 0:02:32with its closest ally.
0:02:32 > 0:02:34And in a hardening of President Trump's tone on Russia,
0:02:34 > 0:02:36his spokeswoman accused it of undermining the security
0:02:36 > 0:02:37of countries worldwide.
0:02:37 > 0:02:4023 staff at the Russian embassy in London have been given
0:02:40 > 0:02:41a week to leave the UK.
0:02:41 > 0:02:43However, the Kremlin continues to deny any involvement
0:02:43 > 0:02:44in the attempted murder.
0:02:44 > 0:02:50Keith Doyle reports.
0:02:50 > 0:02:55Late-night comings and goings at the Russian embassy
0:02:55 > 0:02:58in London - 23 diplomats considered to be undeclared spies will be
0:02:58 > 0:03:00making preparations to leave Britain after the decision yesterday
0:03:00 > 0:03:01to expel them.
0:03:01 > 0:03:03While Russia remains defiant that it was not involved
0:03:03 > 0:03:06in the nerve agent attack, other major world powers
0:03:06 > 0:03:07are backing Britain.
0:03:07 > 0:03:10Now one member stands accused of using chemical weapons
0:03:10 > 0:03:13on the sovereign soil of another member.
0:03:13 > 0:03:17The credibility of this council will not survive if we fail
0:03:17 > 0:03:23to hold Russia accountable.
0:03:23 > 0:03:25"Russia was to blame," the Prime Minister told MPs,
0:03:25 > 0:03:27and that's why action is being taken.
0:03:27 > 0:03:29So, Mr Speaker, there is no alternative conclusion other
0:03:29 > 0:03:31than that the Russian state was culpable for the attempted
0:03:31 > 0:03:35murder of Mr Skripal and his daughter.
0:03:35 > 0:03:37This represents an unlawful use of force by the Russian state
0:03:37 > 0:03:42against the United Kingdom.
0:03:42 > 0:03:45The Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, said the response should be
0:03:45 > 0:03:47based on clear evidence.
0:03:47 > 0:03:51Russia insists it was not involved and it will retaliate.
0:03:51 > 0:03:54Prime Minister May is destroying international law and is destroying
0:03:54 > 0:03:57the international relationship.
0:03:57 > 0:04:00Last night, Britain asked the International Chemical Weapons
0:04:00 > 0:04:06Watchdog to verify Moscow is behind the attack in Salisbury.
0:04:06 > 0:04:09There is now a fully-blown diplomatic row,
0:04:09 > 0:04:13a row that looks likely to escalate with expected tit-for-tat actions.
0:04:13 > 0:04:16And as this goes on, Sergei Skripal and his daughter
0:04:16 > 0:04:17remain critically ill in hospital.
0:04:17 > 0:04:20Keith Doyle, BBC News.
0:04:20 > 0:04:22Our correspondent Richard Galpin is in Moscow.
0:04:22 > 0:04:28Norman Smith is in Westminster.
0:04:28 > 0:04:33Richard, what reaction in Russia to what President Trump has said?There
0:04:33 > 0:04:36has been another briefing by the Foreign Ministry spokeswoman in
0:04:36 > 0:04:41which she has said that the idea that Russia is behind the poisoning
0:04:41 > 0:04:46is insane and she is saying the truth behind the Skripal poisoning
0:04:46 > 0:04:50is being hidden by the British authorities and she is of course
0:04:50 > 0:04:55saying they are working on retaliatory measures, we do not know
0:04:55 > 0:05:00when they will be implemented, but certainly they are working on them,
0:05:00 > 0:05:05and the widespread assumption is they will be tit-for-tat, 23 spies,
0:05:05 > 0:05:10Russian spies, are going to be expelled from London and the
0:05:10 > 0:05:13expectation is British diplomats in Moscow and those deemed to be spies
0:05:13 > 0:05:17are likely to be expelled. And possibly further measures mirroring
0:05:17 > 0:05:23what the British Government has announced. It is interesting the
0:05:23 > 0:05:27development of the international community, Western powers, rallying
0:05:27 > 0:05:32behind Theresa May and Britain. We have seen the UN, a lot of
0:05:32 > 0:05:37statements expressing solidarity, including from Nato, and the key
0:05:37 > 0:05:41question for the Russian government is whether those countries will do
0:05:41 > 0:05:44something concrete. For example, whether they would themselves will
0:05:44 > 0:05:52impose more sanctions. That would be very troubling for the Kremlin.
0:05:52 > 0:05:56Norman at Westminster, 19 Labour MPs have signed a Commons motion
0:05:56 > 0:06:00supporting the decision of the Prime Minister to expelled the diplomats,
0:06:00 > 0:06:05spies. Why are they doing that? Because of widespread anger among
0:06:05 > 0:06:11Labour MPs at Mr Corbyn's response to the Salisbury attack, in the
0:06:11 > 0:06:15Commons yesterday, he appeared to question and challenge the evidence
0:06:15 > 0:06:21pointing towards Russia. It was not just that many Labour MPs thought he
0:06:21 > 0:06:25got the tone wrong, he also attacked the Government for cuts to the
0:06:25 > 0:06:30police and the National Health Service, taking Russian money. There
0:06:30 > 0:06:35was not just they thought that was an inappropriate line to take, it is
0:06:35 > 0:06:40because they felt he failed to live up to the moment, that at a time
0:06:40 > 0:06:46when people are being attacked, in Britain, that, they felt, was a
0:06:46 > 0:06:50moment when he needed to stand up as a national leader and show he was
0:06:50 > 0:06:54ready to stand up to foreign aggression. More than that, a view
0:06:54 > 0:06:57among some Labour figures he is betraying the history of the Labour
0:06:57 > 0:07:02Party which has, they say, always been very patriotic, going back to
0:07:02 > 0:07:08the likes of Clement Attlee, and there are clear signs of tension
0:07:08 > 0:07:11even right at the very top of the party with senior figures like the
0:07:11 > 0:07:16Shadow Defence Secretary and the Shadow Foreign Secretary, Emily
0:07:16 > 0:07:21Thornberry, both uneasy with the stance Mr Corbyn has taken.More
0:07:21 > 0:07:25reaction to come of course through the morning.
0:07:25 > 0:07:30Annita McVeigh is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary
0:07:30 > 0:07:34of the rest of the day's news.
0:07:34 > 0:07:36The labratory where scientists helped identify the nerve agent used
0:07:36 > 0:07:39in Salisbury is to get more funding from the government
0:07:39 > 0:07:42as part of a defence modernisation programme.
0:07:42 > 0:07:45An extra £48 million for a new Chemical Weapons Defence
0:07:45 > 0:07:47Centre at Porton Down, will be announced by Gavin
0:07:47 > 0:07:50Williamson in his first major speech as Defence Secretary later today.
0:07:50 > 0:07:52The Brexit Secretary, David Davis, has said he's prepared
0:07:52 > 0:07:58to accept the EU's offer of a shortened transition period,
0:07:58 > 0:08:01after the UK leaves the European Union in March, 2019.
0:08:01 > 0:08:06He said he would agree to a call for the transition to end
0:08:06 > 0:08:08in December, 2020, if that helped to secure a deal at
0:08:08 > 0:08:09next week's EU summit.
0:08:09 > 0:08:14Ministers are being called on to introduce a faster phase-out
0:08:14 > 0:08:16of petrol and diesel cars, currently set for 2040.
0:08:16 > 0:08:20The MPs have also demanded a new Clean Air Act,
0:08:20 > 0:08:23and they say the motor industry should finance a clean air fund.
0:08:23 > 0:08:26The Government says it'll publish its own proposals on air
0:08:26 > 0:08:28pollution later in the year.
0:08:28 > 0:08:30Here's our environment analyst, Roger Harrabin.
0:08:30 > 0:08:36The air in many of Britain's cities is officially unfit to breathe.
0:08:36 > 0:08:39And the MPs are angry that, despite a series of court cases,
0:08:39 > 0:08:41the Government hasn't cleaned it up.
0:08:41 > 0:08:45The young are particularly at risk, and the MPs' report has drawn
0:08:45 > 0:08:46support from UN children's organisation, UNICEF,
0:08:46 > 0:08:53which says that Britain's children deserve to breathe clean air.
0:08:53 > 0:08:55The Government aims to end the sales of diesel and petrol
0:08:55 > 0:08:58only vehicles by 2040, but the MPs say that is inadequate.
0:08:58 > 0:09:00India will do it ten years earlier.
0:09:00 > 0:09:03They say government must work with local councils to stop
0:09:03 > 0:09:04pollution-related deaths.
0:09:04 > 0:09:06This really needs to be stamped out.
0:09:06 > 0:09:10We need to improve it.
0:09:10 > 0:09:12And that's why the whole report talked about bringing government,
0:09:12 > 0:09:14local authorities together, so we can work across,
0:09:14 > 0:09:19not just here in London, but across the whole country.
0:09:19 > 0:09:22The Government says it's looking beyond cars to smokeless fuel
0:09:22 > 0:09:25and wood stoves in its strategy, due later in the year.
0:09:25 > 0:09:29Roger Harrabin, BBC News.
0:09:29 > 0:09:32The World Health Organization is to carry out a review
0:09:32 > 0:09:35of the potential impact of plastic on human health.
0:09:35 > 0:09:38It follows the release of a new study by US researchers -
0:09:38 > 0:09:40the largest of its kind - which discovered plastic particles
0:09:40 > 0:09:45in popular brands of bottled water.
0:09:45 > 0:09:47Scientists say that there is no evidence yet to suggest
0:09:47 > 0:09:52it is a cause for concern.
0:09:52 > 0:09:57In the past three years, parents across England and Wales
0:09:57 > 0:09:59have been fined about £24 million for failing to send
0:09:59 > 0:10:01their children to school.
0:10:01 > 0:10:03A BBC investigation also shows some councils are issuing penalties
0:10:03 > 0:10:05at rates five times higher than the average.
0:10:05 > 0:10:08Some parents say they now actively budget for the cost of fines
0:10:08 > 0:10:10when planning holidays.
0:10:10 > 0:10:12While some councils admit they have become stricter,
0:10:12 > 0:10:15they say they are protecting the education of children.
0:10:15 > 0:10:21The use of food and medical supplies as a weapon of war
0:10:21 > 0:10:26by the Syrian regime has been branded as utterly
0:10:26 > 0:10:29abhorrent by the Foreign Secretary, Boris Johnson,
0:10:29 > 0:10:31and International Development Secretary Penny Mordaunt.
0:10:31 > 0:10:34In a joint statement to mark the seven years of conflict
0:10:34 > 0:10:37which has gripped the country, they are branding the war
0:10:37 > 0:10:40as one of the longest and bloodiest in recent history.
0:10:40 > 0:10:42A 20-year-old woman has been jailed for six months
0:10:42 > 0:10:45in the American state of Minnesota for fatally shooting her boyfriend
0:10:45 > 0:10:47in a botched YouTube video they hoped would go viral.
0:10:47 > 0:10:50Pedro Ruiz convinced Monalisa Perez to shoot him at close range
0:10:50 > 0:10:51with a powerful pistol, believing that a thick
0:10:51 > 0:10:54book he held in front of his chest would shield him.
0:10:54 > 0:11:02He died at the scene.
0:11:03 > 0:11:05Some MPs and lawyers have called for a blanket ban
0:11:05 > 0:11:08on unpaid shift work.
0:11:08 > 0:11:10Companies can currently invite prospective employees to do trial
0:11:10 > 0:11:13shifts with the carrot of a job at the end.
0:11:13 > 0:11:15But there has been a six-fold increase over three years
0:11:15 > 0:11:23in complaints over unpaid shifts, according to the trade union Unite.
0:11:25 > 0:11:28On Friday, a Private Members' Bill which seeks to make
0:11:28 > 0:11:29unpaid trials illegal will get its second
0:11:29 > 0:11:31parliamentary reading.
0:11:31 > 0:11:35That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9:30.
0:11:35 > 0:11:46Good morning. Get in touch with us, you're very welcome. You can use
0:11:46 > 0:11:50Twitter, e-mail or message us on Facebook.
0:11:50 > 0:11:55In a moment, a pretty heartbreaking story from a teenager, a young
0:11:55 > 0:11:59woman, who attempted to take her own life nine times in the space of ten
0:11:59 > 0:12:06days. She is here with her mum and dad and she will talk specifically
0:12:06 > 0:12:11about the care she found difficult to access. They want to improve the
0:12:11 > 0:12:16mental health care teenagers and young people get. Your expenses
0:12:16 > 0:12:20really welcome. We would like to feed those into the conversation
0:12:20 > 0:12:23with Sherry and her mum and dad. Do get in touch.
0:12:23 > 0:12:27Let's get some sport with Hugh.
0:12:27 > 0:12:32Most wanted five English sides in the Champions League, but it is just
0:12:32 > 0:12:38two.Just two. We saw Man United go out in such a disappointing way, as
0:12:38 > 0:12:41tough as we thought it would be for Chelsea last night in the Champions
0:12:41 > 0:12:46League.
0:12:46 > 0:12:48They went away to Spanish League
0:12:48 > 0:12:51leaders Barcelona and had some confidence after a 1-1 first leg
0:12:51 > 0:12:55draw and the fact they hadn't lost at the Nou Camp
0:12:55 > 0:13:01on their last four visits.
0:13:01 > 0:13:04However, the were stung by the five-time Ballon D'or
0:13:04 > 0:13:11winner Lionel Messi.
0:13:11 > 0:13:18Having gone his first eight games against Chelsea without a goal,
0:13:18 > 0:13:21he scored the equaliser in the first leg and scored two while setting up
0:13:21 > 0:13:22the other last night.
0:13:22 > 0:13:24And it was a case of the nutmeg!
0:13:24 > 0:13:29The first came after just a couple of minutes,
0:13:29 > 0:13:32deceiving Thibaut Courtois in the Chelsea goal.
0:13:32 > 0:13:34His second, different end, different
0:13:34 > 0:13:35foot, same result.
0:13:35 > 0:13:38In fact it finished 3-0 on the night to Barca, and means Liverpool
0:13:38 > 0:13:41and Manchester City will be the two British clubs in the
0:13:41 > 0:13:42quarter-final draw tomorrow.
0:13:42 > 0:13:45There were better scenes for Arsenal's Women last night -
0:13:45 > 0:13:46they stunned favourites Manchester City to win
0:13:46 > 0:13:49the Continental Tyres Cup for a record fifth time -
0:13:49 > 0:13:531-0 - thanks to Vivianne Miedema's goal.
0:13:53 > 0:13:56Eddie Jones, disappointing Six Nations, apologising for offending
0:13:56 > 0:14:01some other home nations.Not great for Eddie Jones. England head coach.
0:14:01 > 0:14:04You might remember the pictures of him being verbally abused by
0:14:04 > 0:14:09Scotland rugby fans and the sport was left disgusted, but once again
0:14:09 > 0:14:13braced against words from Jones himself at a port last summer, he
0:14:13 > 0:14:20described the Irish as... And Wales as not very nice place, shall we
0:14:20 > 0:14:27say. He has apologised unreservedly, saying he was very sorry for any
0:14:27 > 0:14:30offence, no ski since, he said he should not have said what he did,
0:14:30 > 0:14:40but added motivation for the Ireland team -- no excuses.And no Ruby
0:14:40 > 0:14:44Walsh for the rest of the Cheltenham Festival. Awful fall for the top
0:14:44 > 0:14:51jockey rest Tony McRae yesterday.-- awful fall for the top jockey
0:14:51 > 0:14:55yesterday. The serious injury yesterday, he went to hospital with
0:14:55 > 0:14:59a suspected broken leg, he found that the second last fence and it
0:14:59 > 0:15:05seems he has broken the same local four months ago, only just made a
0:15:05 > 0:15:11return to racing, and he will miss the rest of the festival including
0:15:11 > 0:15:21Freddie's Gold. The Big Race Was The Queen Mother Champion Chase
0:15:24 > 0:15:27Queen Mother Champion Chase Altior Easley came home first. Finally,
0:15:27 > 0:15:34some bad news from South Korea. GB cannot win a medal in the curling.
0:15:34 > 0:15:43They lost Korea in the penultimate round Robin Knoche. In the
0:15:43 > 0:15:48afternoon's session, Norway's victory over Slovakia, it means the
0:15:48 > 0:15:53Brits are out, even if they beat China, some disappointment for
0:15:53 > 0:16:03Paralympics GB in Pyeongchang.More through the morning.
0:16:03 > 0:16:06When she was 17, Sherry Denness tried to kill herself
0:16:06 > 0:16:07nine times in 10 days.
0:16:07 > 0:16:09That was last November.
0:16:09 > 0:16:12Now 18, Sherry's been diagnosed with a number
0:16:12 > 0:16:16of mental health conditions, including borderline personality
0:16:16 > 0:16:23disorder and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder or ADHD.
0:16:23 > 0:16:26On seven of her nine attempts, Sherry went to A&E,
0:16:26 > 0:16:29where she was patched up and deemed well enough to be sent home
0:16:29 > 0:16:30with no further help.
0:16:30 > 0:16:33Things came to a head when she was found near the local
0:16:33 > 0:16:35train station and was eventually sectioned under
0:16:35 > 0:16:36the Mental Health Act.
0:16:36 > 0:16:43BBC Stories has been following Sherry.
0:16:43 > 0:16:46She's doing better now.
0:16:46 > 0:16:51We will talk to her in a moment.
0:16:51 > 0:16:52She and her parents feel she was badly
0:16:52 > 0:16:55let down by mental health services over a period of many years
0:16:55 > 0:16:58and they feel places like hospitals should be better equipped to cope
0:16:58 > 0:16:59with children in crisis.
0:16:59 > 0:17:01Sherry's dad posted this online to help raise
0:17:01 > 0:17:03awareness of their campaign.
0:17:03 > 0:17:10PIANO PLAYS
0:18:37 > 0:18:41The video has had more than 5.5 million views
0:18:41 > 0:18:43and the campaign hashtag "wecaresherry" has
0:18:43 > 0:18:46been shared widely.
0:18:46 > 0:18:51Sherry and her mum Andi and dad Chris are here now...
0:18:51 > 0:18:56Good morning to all of you. Thank you for coming on the programme. How
0:18:56 > 0:19:01are you, first of all?I was nervous, but I'm OK.We will look
0:19:01 > 0:19:04after you. Tell us about the campaign and what it's been like to
0:19:04 > 0:19:09have this incredible support from millions of people, most of whom are
0:19:09 > 0:19:15strangers.I can't even... I have always had the mindset that I am not
0:19:15 > 0:19:19a very liked person because the issues I have gone through. I was
0:19:19 > 0:19:24bullied at school. I had quite a rough time with it. I have always
0:19:24 > 0:19:28been of the mindset that not a lot of people care about me apart from
0:19:28 > 0:19:36the people who have to do, like my parents! So seeing it exposed, that
0:19:36 > 0:19:41I was under section, when it was launched, and I had phoned time. I
0:19:41 > 0:19:47saw it, and I thought, wow.You were sectioned at that time?I was in the
0:19:47 > 0:19:51hospital, yes. I was 200 miles away from my parents. I checked on my
0:19:51 > 0:20:00Facebook and the video that you just played has come up on there. I was
0:20:00 > 0:20:06like... Where are all these people coming from?How did it make you
0:20:06 > 0:20:11feel to know people did care?Very important, it made me feel a lot
0:20:11 > 0:20:19better. A lot better.I know you are comfortable talking about some of
0:20:19 > 0:20:22your diagnoses, including borderline personality disorder and ADHD. Can
0:20:22 > 0:20:28you give any insights to our audience into the kind of voices you
0:20:28 > 0:20:33have heard in your head in the past? I've had delusions since I was quite
0:20:33 > 0:20:40young. My first delusion was when I was 12. They come in the forms of
0:20:40 > 0:20:45site, and they come in the forms of hearing as well. The site is really
0:20:45 > 0:20:51scary because it's, how can you look at me right now and see in perfect
0:20:51 > 0:20:57detail because I'm right here? -- the sight is really scary. You are
0:20:57 > 0:21:01scared because everyone else tells you it's not real. The voices are
0:21:01 > 0:21:06the same. Sometimes they can be inner thoughts. And it will just
0:21:06 > 0:21:09come from within. But sometimes you will actually hear it as if is
0:21:09 > 0:21:16external. Again, people tell you nothing is there. It's a really
0:21:16 > 0:21:20dark, scary and lonely place.There will be people watching who can
0:21:20 > 0:21:24relate to this. I want to let our audience know that we will talk in
0:21:24 > 0:21:28detail about the kind of things you have experienced and perhaps if you
0:21:28 > 0:21:31have young children you might not want them to hear, but it's your
0:21:31 > 0:21:36decision. What kind of things would you see and what kind of things with
0:21:36 > 0:21:43the voices say to you?I used to have three delusions. They sometimes
0:21:43 > 0:21:49come back when I am in a really bad state. Or I am emotionally
0:21:49 > 0:21:57regularised. One is called Ciaran, one is Anna and one is Alice. Ciaran
0:21:57 > 0:22:02is a really horrible man who would stand outside my window at night and
0:22:02 > 0:22:09wave at me. He would speak to me as well. Alice was a little girl who
0:22:09 > 0:22:14didn't say anything. She would just walk around my room. And Anna, when
0:22:14 > 0:22:21I had anorexia, I developed another voice called Anna, and it was that
0:22:21 > 0:22:26voice who was always telling me, don't eat. But Ciaran would say
0:22:26 > 0:22:34things like, if you don't hurt yourself, or if you don't do this to
0:22:34 > 0:22:42yourself, or tell lies, or whatever, then I will kill your family. It was
0:22:42 > 0:22:49very real. So I would do it because I was scared for my family. It would
0:22:49 > 0:22:54be visions. When I am in that state, I'm thinking, he is showing me
0:22:54 > 0:23:00visions, he can actually do this.It must have been terrifying.It was,
0:23:00 > 0:23:04it was horrible. He told me one night to sit in the garden at three
0:23:04 > 0:23:10in the morning. And not come out, and cover myself in a black blanket.
0:23:10 > 0:23:18I was cold, I wanted to go in because I was cold, and he would
0:23:18 > 0:23:25say, no, you don't deserve to. That kind of stuff.And this led to last
0:23:25 > 0:23:29November when you are tempted to take your own life multiple times in
0:23:29 > 0:23:34a short period of time, in ten days. You were taken to A&E a number of
0:23:34 > 0:23:40times. And then you would be released when the physical side of
0:23:40 > 0:23:46things had been cleared up, is that correct?Yes.What were you thinking
0:23:46 > 0:23:50when you were discharged?At that point in time, I was not in the
0:23:50 > 0:23:56right mindset. I was thinking, good, because I can do it again.Really?
0:23:56 > 0:23:59Speaking to your mother now, what were you thinking when she was
0:23:59 > 0:24:07discharged?God, yeah, what on earth?! From our point of view, once
0:24:07 > 0:24:14is enough. We have had to hold Sherry's hand when she has done
0:24:14 > 0:24:21things to herself and she is in a coma, and to nurse your child that
0:24:21 > 0:24:26your bedside, watching, no response to every single pressure point and
0:24:26 > 0:24:33every single thing they do to class you in a coma, and to see your child
0:24:33 > 0:24:39in that fragile state, it's a bit like today, it's surreal. Is this
0:24:39 > 0:24:43really happening? This can't really be happening. And when they let your
0:24:43 > 0:24:54child go, you're just like, what?! Do you know what I mean? So we were
0:24:54 > 0:24:59just left thinking, what the heck, literally, what the heck.And what
0:24:59 > 0:25:05was it like for you as Sherry's dad, knowing the potentially the physical
0:25:05 > 0:25:10side of things had been treated, but mentally, clearly, there was so much
0:25:10 > 0:25:14going on.It was a difficult time for everyone. It was try to get the
0:25:14 > 0:25:19nurses or somebody on our side, to say, will you listen to what we are
0:25:19 > 0:25:23saying to you, because if you release her, she will try and do the
0:25:23 > 0:25:28worst. It kept happening and happening.But what you were saying
0:25:28 > 0:25:33would happen, it would happen, and yet she would still be released.
0:25:33 > 0:25:37Exactly, and this was a pattern that happened not only in that ten days,
0:25:37 > 0:25:43but since she came onto the radar, if you like, of mental health, when
0:25:43 > 0:25:47she was 11. I remember the first time she self harm that 13. We
0:25:47 > 0:25:55looked at each other and thought, where did that come from? It was a
0:25:55 > 0:25:57progression we never ever anticipated. And that was really
0:25:57 > 0:26:13tough.You say Sherry was 11 when she was first assessed by CAMS.She
0:26:13 > 0:26:15said -- they said she was naughty and attention seeking and her
0:26:15 > 0:26:20delusions were fake.They said that within earshot of me when I was 11
0:26:20 > 0:26:24years old. They took me in for an assessment for ADHD and I heard the
0:26:24 > 0:26:31person who assessed me saying to my mother that she was an attention
0:26:31 > 0:26:36seeker, and it was a behavioural thing.That she was looking for
0:26:36 > 0:26:39attention. We have had to fight for her every step of the way. There
0:26:39 > 0:26:42hasn't been a day gone by that we haven't been exhausted by the fight.
0:26:42 > 0:26:47You get to the end of it and think, I can't take any more, and then
0:26:47 > 0:26:51something else happens. And every day you think, this is the bottom,
0:26:51 > 0:26:57we will get up now, because we are really positive people. But no,
0:26:57 > 0:27:02there is a new bottom. This kept happening and happening, over and
0:27:02 > 0:27:05over again. We have always wanted to launch a campaign, because we have
0:27:05 > 0:27:11always felt there is no help for young people. We are saying between
0:27:11 > 0:27:18the age of 10-25. Because even though you are an adult at 18,
0:27:18 > 0:27:26really, what makes you one day a child and 1-dayer adult?That's
0:27:26 > 0:27:30normality transition for somebody with mental health, at 17 you are
0:27:30 > 0:27:35still a child, but at 18 you have adult responsibilities. For somebody
0:27:35 > 0:27:38with mental health, who doesn't fit into the category of normal, it's a
0:27:38 > 0:27:43very stressful and hard time. There should be more support.But you were
0:27:43 > 0:27:48not getting that support when you are 17 either really. Until you
0:27:48 > 0:27:51section, which is what you wanted, which is after the ninth time you
0:27:51 > 0:27:58are tempted to... You were found at a train station. The police found
0:27:58 > 0:28:02you, and they took the decision to section you, which you were relieved
0:28:02 > 0:28:12about.The legs nearly went from under me. I was gobsmacked.
0:28:12 > 0:28:14under me. I was gobsmacked. PCP Turcotte and Dan Ayrton are our
0:28:14 > 0:28:23heroes, without a shadow of a doubt. -- PC Peter Coe. We can't thank
0:28:23 > 0:28:30those individuals enough.You say you were seen in that period of ten
0:28:30 > 0:28:32days by 18 different health care professionals. That's quite
0:28:32 > 0:28:37extraordinary. Are you saying that nobody was joining the dots up
0:28:37 > 0:28:43effectively?I don't think it was a case of them not joining the dots
0:28:43 > 0:28:47up. It was more a case of them not wanting to. I have been dealt with a
0:28:47 > 0:28:55lot in hospitals, main hospitals, paediatric wards, and there is a
0:28:55 > 0:29:00massive taboo about it. Nobody really wants to talk about it,
0:29:00 > 0:29:04nobody really wants to help. That's why I am continuing with this
0:29:04 > 0:29:09campaign.There are people who do want to help and organisations,
0:29:09 > 0:29:12because we have had them on this programme. It seems really sad you
0:29:12 > 0:29:18were not put in touch with one of those. Chris Conley you did this
0:29:18 > 0:29:25video that went viral. It's very poignant, I have to say. -- Chris,
0:29:25 > 0:29:29you did this video. What is the point of this, it has been seen
0:29:29 > 0:29:33millions of times, so what do you want to change as a result of your
0:29:33 > 0:29:38family's experience?All the bad my family has gone through, we want to
0:29:38 > 0:29:41make a positive change and help young people, give them support and
0:29:41 > 0:29:44let them know there are people there. The reason for doing the
0:29:44 > 0:29:53video was to give an insight into what it is like for Sherry, what she
0:29:53 > 0:29:57was suffering, and give people an insight on what it is like for
0:29:57 > 0:30:01parents who have children who suffer with mental health. I did the video
0:30:01 > 0:30:05thinking maybe a couple of hundred people would watch it, and every
0:30:05 > 0:30:11couple of days it would go up more and more.I have some messages.
0:30:11 > 0:30:15There is one I have left over there from a young woman called Georgina,
0:30:15 > 0:30:20who is 21. She talked about being diagnosed with mental health
0:30:20 > 0:30:24issues... I can't find it. I have just printed it out... It is so
0:30:24 > 0:30:31pertinent to you. Let me find it.
0:30:31 > 0:30:37I would like to share my experiences. I'm 21, diagnosed with
0:30:37 > 0:30:41clinical depression at 13 after a series of self harm issues. After
0:30:41 > 0:30:46visiting my school nurse and GP, it took eight months for me to be
0:30:46 > 0:30:50referred to talking therapy with a child and adolescent mental health
0:30:50 > 0:30:54service. The quality of the therapy was so poor it worse and my mental
0:30:54 > 0:30:58health and I was under the age of 18 I was refused any appropriate
0:30:58 > 0:31:02medication. I was patronised and dismissed by the person I was told
0:31:02 > 0:31:12to speak to.
0:31:15 > 0:31:18Discharged and then relapsed, it took a further five months to get an
0:31:18 > 0:31:21appointment with a psychologist. It was only when I reached 18 and 20
0:31:21 > 0:31:22university I receive treatment I needed. I have been on medication
0:31:22 > 0:31:26for over three years now and I am better than ever. Some of that, you
0:31:26 > 0:31:28can relate to?Terrible. I can totally relate to that.That is what
0:31:28 > 0:31:32struck us, it was not an isolated case, we knew that, but we did not
0:31:32 > 0:31:38realise just how many people are just like us and it gave us hope as
0:31:38 > 0:31:44well.Why don't you explain what this is, Sherry? Such a wonderful
0:31:44 > 0:31:48idea, you send this out to people who are feeling like nobody cares.
0:31:48 > 0:31:53On our website, we have at the bottom of the page a button that
0:31:53 > 0:31:59says, apply for a recovery box. I make them myself from scratch,
0:31:59 > 0:32:05handmade. I do absolutely everything.
0:32:05 > 0:32:13everything. There is a little inventory slip and a message that is
0:32:13 > 0:32:19always personalised, a poem, some sweet treats, a diary for thoughts,
0:32:19 > 0:32:27colouring, for destruction, stressed toys -- colouring for distraction,
0:32:27 > 0:32:42stress toys.This is going to a girl in Essex.Yes.Age?We're not sure.
0:32:42 > 0:32:49The Government promised in 2015 £1.4 billion over five years to transform
0:32:49 > 0:32:56child and adolescent mental health services and they are committed to
0:32:56 > 0:33:00employing more therapists and supervisors, what do you say?A
0:33:00 > 0:33:05little bit too late, really. The help needs to happen now, it is
0:33:05 > 0:33:09disgusting, when you look at primary school, you can start to see
0:33:09 > 0:33:16patterns of children's behaviour, we are talking about as young as year
0:33:16 > 0:33:21three, four, five, and, really, for us, it is not websites that are
0:33:21 > 0:33:25needed, paper information, ring this number, it is face to face. People
0:33:25 > 0:33:32need early intervention. Schools need to have a person, whether a
0:33:32 > 0:33:37specialist teacher or another type of classroom assistant, that is
0:33:37 > 0:33:45trained in recognising early-onset adolescent mental health issues.
0:33:45 > 0:33:51Because if Sherry had received the help at 11, just before crossing
0:33:51 > 0:33:54over to senior school, then she would have been on the right track
0:33:54 > 0:33:59and we may not have gone down the road of self harm and all of the
0:33:59 > 0:34:10other stuff. Actually, research shows, self harm is a cry because
0:34:10 > 0:34:15they get so far with their mental health, there is nowhere to go in
0:34:15 > 0:34:21their head, nowhere to go, and then you get self harm. We have heard
0:34:21 > 0:34:26stories of parents being given safe self harming kits, that is
0:34:26 > 0:34:32ludicrous. I do not understand, why would we be reactive sea society
0:34:32 > 0:34:38when we should be proactive and that means getting children the help they
0:34:38 > 0:34:45desperately need -- a reactive society. We are working so hard to
0:34:45 > 0:34:51help other parents, we have a secret group for parents, carers, foster
0:34:51 > 0:34:56carers, adoptive parents, whoever is caring for a young person, and we
0:34:56 > 0:35:03help them with different topics, Q&As weekly, they can ask whatever
0:35:03 > 0:35:09they like, we're not experts, we do not claim to be experts, but what we
0:35:09 > 0:35:15are is we are experienced in this through our own experience. If we
0:35:15 > 0:35:19can help, which they say we are helping, it does not feel like we
0:35:19 > 0:35:25are, but they say massively we are helping, and if we can help one set
0:35:25 > 0:35:30of parents, then, great. And Sherry has come on board with the campaign
0:35:30 > 0:35:36recently and she does more live things on the site and interacts
0:35:36 > 0:35:41with her audience and stuff like that. That has been really positive
0:35:41 > 0:35:47as well.Thank you. Well done. Thank you very much for being on the
0:35:47 > 0:35:53programme. If you want help or advice on mental health issues,
0:35:53 > 0:35:59please go to the BBC action line website and I have got some messages
0:35:59 > 0:36:04from you and a lot of love for you as well, Sherry. I will read some of
0:36:04 > 0:36:06those through the programme.
0:36:06 > 0:36:08Still to come...
0:36:08 > 0:36:10It's seven years since the war in Syria began.
0:36:10 > 0:36:12We'll speak to people living through the conflict.
0:36:12 > 0:36:18And could more than 100 homeless people seeking shelter
0:36:18 > 0:36:20in an empty commercial building in central London be
0:36:20 > 0:36:25forced to leave?
0:36:25 > 0:36:26Time for the latest news.
0:36:26 > 0:36:28Here's Annita.
0:36:28 > 0:36:30The BBC News headlines this morning.
0:36:30 > 0:36:33The White House has given its backing to Britain's
0:36:33 > 0:36:37decision to expel Russian diplomats in retaliation for the nerve
0:36:37 > 0:36:40agent attack on Sergei Skripal and his daughter.
0:36:40 > 0:36:44The US said it was a just response and America stood in solidarity
0:36:44 > 0:36:46with its closest ally.
0:36:46 > 0:36:50And in a hardening of President Trump's tone on Russia,
0:36:50 > 0:36:52his spokeswoman accused it of undermining the security
0:36:52 > 0:36:54of countries worldwide.
0:36:54 > 0:36:5723 staff at the Russian embassy in London have been given
0:36:57 > 0:36:59a week to leave the UK.
0:36:59 > 0:37:00However, the Kremlin continues to deny any involvement
0:37:00 > 0:37:04in the attempted murder.
0:37:04 > 0:37:07The labratory where scientists helped identify
0:37:07 > 0:37:10the nerve agent used in Salisbury is to get more funding from
0:37:10 > 0:37:13the Government as part of a defence modernisation programme.
0:37:13 > 0:37:16An extra £48 million for a new Chemical Weapons Defence
0:37:16 > 0:37:19Centre at Porton Down will be announced by Gavin
0:37:19 > 0:37:26Williamson in his first major speech as Defence Secretary later today.
0:37:26 > 0:37:28The investigation into the fire at Grenfell Tower has
0:37:28 > 0:37:31found the fire doors may not have been as effective as they
0:37:31 > 0:37:32were supposed to be.
0:37:32 > 0:37:34The Metropolitan Police tested a door designed to resist
0:37:34 > 0:37:37fire for half an hour and found that it only lasted 15 minutes.
0:37:37 > 0:37:44The investigation is ongoing.
0:37:44 > 0:37:48The Brexit Secretary, David Davis, has said he's prepared
0:37:48 > 0:37:50to accept the EU's offer of a shortened transition period,
0:37:50 > 0:37:54after the UK leaves the European Union in March, 2019.
0:37:54 > 0:37:57He said he would agree to a call for the transition to end
0:37:57 > 0:38:01in December, 2020, if that helped to secure a deal at
0:38:01 > 0:38:04next week's EU summit.
0:38:04 > 0:38:05The World Health Organization is to carry out
0:38:05 > 0:38:13a review of the potential impact of plastic on human health.
0:38:13 > 0:38:17It follows the release of a new study by US researchers -
0:38:17 > 0:38:19the largest of its kind - which discovered plastic particles
0:38:19 > 0:38:21in popular brands of bottled water.
0:38:21 > 0:38:23Scientists say that there is no evidence yet to suggest
0:38:23 > 0:38:26it is a cause for concern.
0:38:26 > 0:38:29In the past three years, parents across England and Wales
0:38:29 > 0:38:32have been fined about £24 million for failing to send
0:38:32 > 0:38:34their children to school.
0:38:34 > 0:38:36A BBC investigation also shows some councils are issuing
0:38:36 > 0:38:42penalties at rates five times higher than the average.
0:38:42 > 0:38:44Some parents say they now actively budget for the cost of fines
0:38:44 > 0:38:46when planning holidays.
0:38:46 > 0:38:48While some councils admit they have become stricter,
0:38:48 > 0:38:52they say they are protecting the education of children.
0:38:52 > 0:38:58That's a summary of the latest BBC News.
0:38:58 > 0:39:05We will bring you more detail on the story reported on them, the flat
0:39:05 > 0:39:10doors in Grenfell Tower could only hold back a blaze for half the time
0:39:10 > 0:39:14they were supposed to, according to investigators. Messages from Europe
0:39:14 > 0:39:20at the interview with Sherry, Marine A says, I'm so pleased she is
0:39:20 > 0:39:26receiving the treatment she deserves. Incredibly brave. From an
0:39:26 > 0:39:3118-year-old who does not wish us to use her name, I'm 18, struggling
0:39:31 > 0:39:35with depression and an eating disorder after turning 16, in my
0:39:35 > 0:39:40area, the way to be seen by a mental health specialist was just under
0:39:40 > 0:39:45three months. For someone struggling a lot. But someone struggling a lot,
0:39:45 > 0:39:50this time period was extensive and unsuitable. Once I was finally seen,
0:39:50 > 0:39:54it was difficult not to feel guilty because you were constantly told how
0:39:54 > 0:39:58many children were on waiting lists. I felt like saying, you may as well
0:39:58 > 0:40:03give it to them if they needed than me. When I turned 18, I was going to
0:40:03 > 0:40:10be discharged from the service. I was at my worst in terms of my
0:40:10 > 0:40:14mental state. Because of me becoming an adult, it was overnight by mental
0:40:14 > 0:40:18health team were no longer interested in treating me. I had to
0:40:18 > 0:40:24wait a further eight weeks to be reviewed by a and adult dental
0:40:24 > 0:40:29health team -- by an adult mental health team.
0:40:29 > 0:40:30Here's some sport now.
0:40:30 > 0:40:33Chelsea were the latest British team to be knocked out
0:40:33 > 0:40:35of the Champions League last night after a 3-0 defeat
0:40:35 > 0:40:36awat at Barcelona.
0:40:36 > 0:40:38Lionel Messi scored twice on the night.
0:40:38 > 0:40:40It means Manchester City and Liverpool are the only domestic
0:40:40 > 0:40:47sides in the hat for Friday's quarterfinal draw.
0:40:47 > 0:40:49Good news for Arsenal fans - the club secured its first piece
0:40:49 > 0:40:52of silverware this season as they shocked Manchester City
0:40:52 > 0:40:54to win the Continental Tyres Cup - it finished 1-0 thanks
0:40:54 > 0:40:55to Vivienne Miedema's winner.
0:40:55 > 0:40:58The Cheltenham Festival's all-time leading rider Ruby Walsh will miss
0:40:58 > 0:41:01the rest of this week's event after a fall.
0:41:01 > 0:41:05Walsh has a suspected leg fracture to the same leg with which he has
0:41:05 > 0:41:08just spent four months away from the sport with injury. Great Britain
0:41:08 > 0:41:14cannot win a medal in the wheelchair curling. Defeat to South Korea
0:41:14 > 0:41:18earlier and Norway's victory over Slovakia means the Brits cannot
0:41:18 > 0:41:23reach the medal play-offs. More sport in the next hour.
0:41:23 > 0:41:25Seven years ago today, the first deaths happened in what has
0:41:25 > 0:41:28become the war in Syria.
0:41:28 > 0:41:30It started as a peaceful uprising, and no-one expected the full-scale
0:41:30 > 0:41:32conflict that unfolded.
0:41:32 > 0:41:35Since then, more than half a million have been killed.
0:41:35 > 0:41:376 million people have been forced to leave their homes.
0:41:37 > 0:41:39And 13 million have needed humanitarian aid.
0:41:39 > 0:41:41It's a conflict that has demonstrated both the best
0:41:41 > 0:41:48and the worst of humanity.
0:41:48 > 0:41:50Allegations of a leader using chemical weapons on his own people
0:41:50 > 0:41:52and starvation and malnutrition in the harsh winter conditions.
0:41:52 > 0:42:00The Syrian people remain caught in an international power struggle
0:42:00 > 0:42:02between those that support and those that oppose President
0:42:02 > 0:42:03Bashar Al-Assad.
0:42:03 > 0:42:11This film is a snapshot of where we are today in Syria's history.
0:42:11 > 0:42:14It's complicated, so you might want to sit
0:42:14 > 0:42:17down and take it all in.
0:42:17 > 0:42:19Syria has now been at war for seven years.
0:42:19 > 0:42:27And if anything, it's getting worse.
0:42:27 > 0:42:30Peaceful protests turned into a civil war, but,
0:42:30 > 0:42:33and this is the key to understanding what's really going on,
0:42:33 > 0:42:35that civil war has now morphed into something else,
0:42:35 > 0:42:42a conflict of global dimensions playing out within Syria.
0:42:42 > 0:42:45In a second, we'll explore why, but first, who is involved?
0:42:45 > 0:42:50Well, you've still got the forces of President Bashar al-Assad.
0:42:50 > 0:42:53He's backed up by Russia, as well as Iran and various
0:42:53 > 0:42:54powerful Shia militias.
0:42:54 > 0:42:57Then you've got the rebels.
0:42:57 > 0:43:00Now, they've been taking an absolute battering,
0:43:00 > 0:43:02but they are still fighting on.
0:43:02 > 0:43:05Two of the biggest are called Jaysh al-Islam and Ahrar al-Sham.
0:43:05 > 0:43:08Up in the north are the Kurds.
0:43:08 > 0:43:11They're an ethnic group that are spread right across the region,
0:43:11 > 0:43:14and now hold large areas of the north of the country.
0:43:14 > 0:43:17They're allies of the US.
0:43:17 > 0:43:20There's also Turkey, which is fighting Kurdish forces.
0:43:20 > 0:43:26And Israel, which is launching air strikes in the South.
0:43:26 > 0:43:28And finally, the Islamic State group, the fanatical jihadists
0:43:28 > 0:43:31who took over large parts of Syria and Iraq, grabbing the world's
0:43:31 > 0:43:33attention with their brutality.
0:43:33 > 0:43:37They've lost almost all their territory,
0:43:37 > 0:43:40but they are still a threat.
0:43:40 > 0:43:43But if you really want to understand what's going on in Syria,
0:43:43 > 0:43:51you need to know why people are fighting.
0:43:52 > 0:43:55Since the very start, President Assad has had one
0:43:55 > 0:43:57objective - staying in power.
0:43:57 > 0:44:04And he's been prepared to do pretty much anything to achieve it.
0:44:04 > 0:44:09Although he denies it, the West has accused him of war crimes.
0:44:09 > 0:44:11From indiscriminate bombing, to using chemical weapons,
0:44:11 > 0:44:14his forces are thought to have been responsible for most
0:44:14 > 0:44:17of the conflict's deaths.
0:44:17 > 0:44:19Assad's main target has always been the groups that he calls terrorists,
0:44:19 > 0:44:21but most others call rebels.
0:44:21 > 0:44:23They share one aim - to overthrow him.
0:44:23 > 0:44:26But in truth, that's really all they have
0:44:26 > 0:44:28in common in many cases.
0:44:28 > 0:44:32They started fighting after the government's brutal
0:44:32 > 0:44:37crackdown on peaceful protests back in 2011.
0:44:37 > 0:44:40And at first, they included army defectors, members of civil society.
0:44:40 > 0:44:42But as the war has ground on and got more brutal,
0:44:42 > 0:44:45many of them have been pushed out or killed.
0:44:45 > 0:44:52Lots of the groups still fighting are now hardline Islamists.
0:44:52 > 0:44:56Finally, as I mentioned before, you've got the Kurds in the north.
0:44:56 > 0:44:59There is more than 20 million of them across the region,
0:44:59 > 0:45:03but they've never had their own state.
0:45:03 > 0:45:05Understanding that is crucial to understanding the Kurds.
0:45:05 > 0:45:08Soon after the start of the war, Kurdish forces took control
0:45:08 > 0:45:11of the area they call Rojava.
0:45:11 > 0:45:15That's after the government pulled out.
0:45:15 > 0:45:20Their main fight is for autonomy and against IS.
0:45:20 > 0:45:23But one of the reasons Syria is such a mess
0:45:23 > 0:45:26is because it's become a proxy war for international powers.
0:45:26 > 0:45:30So why did they get involved?
0:45:30 > 0:45:34Well, President Assad is Russia's closest ally in the region.
0:45:34 > 0:45:38If he fell, Russia would lose its key foothold in the Middle East.
0:45:38 > 0:45:41It would also lose Tartus, its only Mediterranean port.
0:45:41 > 0:45:45It could not let that happen.
0:45:45 > 0:45:48For Iran, this was partly about supporting an old ally,
0:45:48 > 0:45:50but more than that, it was about countering
0:45:50 > 0:45:52the influence of their regional rivals, Saudi Arabia,
0:45:52 > 0:45:56and spreading their own influence across the region.
0:45:56 > 0:45:59The consensus is that in achieving their goals,
0:45:59 > 0:46:02both Russia and Iran have outplayed everyone else.
0:46:02 > 0:46:05While the US, Turkey and the Gulf states offered some support
0:46:05 > 0:46:08to various rebel groups, Russia and Iran decided not only
0:46:08 > 0:46:11that they wanted Assad to win, but that they would make
0:46:11 > 0:46:13sure he did.
0:46:13 > 0:46:15Against Russian air power and Iranian-backed militias,
0:46:15 > 0:46:19the rebels have been badly outmatched.
0:46:19 > 0:46:21Now no one is seriously talking about Assad being
0:46:21 > 0:46:24forced to give up power.
0:46:24 > 0:46:27The US always said it wanted him to leave,
0:46:27 > 0:46:31but never took decisive action to actually make it happen.
0:46:31 > 0:46:39Maybe as it feared what would replace him.
0:46:40 > 0:46:43The rise of IS, with their gruesome propaganda, was a far more
0:46:43 > 0:46:45straightforward enemy, and became the focus.
0:46:45 > 0:46:47The US worked with, trained and armed a group called
0:46:47 > 0:46:49The Syrian Democratic Forces.
0:46:49 > 0:46:52Although they're mostly made up of Kurdish fighters called the YPG.
0:46:52 > 0:46:56They were crucial in driving IS out of north-eastern Syria.
0:46:56 > 0:47:00One of Turkey's main roles has been giving shelter to millions
0:47:00 > 0:47:03of Syrians fleeing the conflict, but they've also supported
0:47:03 > 0:47:08the rebel group called the Free Syrian Army,
0:47:08 > 0:47:11and are accused of funding jihadists.
0:47:11 > 0:47:14Turkey also fears Kurdish autonomy in Syria, as it thinks it would fuel
0:47:14 > 0:47:15separatism in Turkey.
0:47:15 > 0:47:17And so it's launched a war against the YPG,
0:47:17 > 0:47:20who it says are terrorists.
0:47:20 > 0:47:22Although remember, the YPG are the same fighters who are armed
0:47:22 > 0:47:25by and allied with the US.
0:47:25 > 0:47:28As a consequence, Turkey, a member of Nato, is now working
0:47:28 > 0:47:34closely with Russia.
0:47:34 > 0:47:37Down south, Israel's main concern has been the growing
0:47:37 > 0:47:40influence of its arch foe, Iran, and high-tech weaponry getting
0:47:40 > 0:47:45in the hands of Hezbollah.
0:47:45 > 0:47:48And so a global conflict plays out within Syria's borders,
0:47:48 > 0:47:51with Russia now calling the shots.
0:47:51 > 0:47:55The war in Syria is as complicated and bloody as ever.
0:47:55 > 0:47:56People are still dying.
0:47:56 > 0:47:59Lives are still being torn apart.
0:47:59 > 0:48:01And the nation, global powers and, most importantly,
0:48:01 > 0:48:04the people of Syria, are being drawn further
0:48:04 > 0:48:12into a situation that it's hard to see a way out of.
0:48:13 > 0:48:17Let's talk now to Ishmael Hamoud.
0:48:17 > 0:48:21He is the first unaccompanied child to enter the UK under
0:48:21 > 0:48:24the Dubs Amendment - that's a tweak to a piece of EU law
0:48:24 > 0:48:27which means a number of children with no family in the UK have been
0:48:27 > 0:48:31able to come here to live.
0:48:31 > 0:48:33Ahmad Khanshour lives in Eastern Ghouta where thousands
0:48:33 > 0:48:37of people have been killed over the past three weeks.
0:48:37 > 0:48:40Lina Shamy left Eastern Aleppo during the violence
0:48:40 > 0:48:47with her husband.
0:48:47 > 0:48:50Bissan Fakih is a human rights activist - she escaped from Syria
0:48:50 > 0:48:51to neighbouring Lebanon.
0:48:51 > 0:48:57Thank you for talking to us. We spoke to you a couple of weeks ago
0:48:57 > 0:49:02in Eastern Ghouta, and our audience knows it has been bombarded by your
0:49:02 > 0:49:07government. What's it been like since then?Good morning, and thank
0:49:07 > 0:49:12you for having me again.
0:49:13 > 0:49:18you for having me again. Assad exaggerates his violence, using
0:49:18 > 0:49:24another attempt, and his friends have made it clear they disrespect
0:49:24 > 0:49:31the whole world and international community. 600 civilians have been
0:49:31 > 0:49:36killed since the resolution in the UN was passed. I can read to your
0:49:36 > 0:49:43message from a doctor in a recently surrounded town in Eastern Ghouta.
0:49:43 > 0:49:49We heard last from him yesterday and nobody knows what has happened there
0:49:49 > 0:49:57since. He says, this town is being eliminated. The regime army has
0:49:57 > 0:50:03entered the town from the East. I tried to flee out but couldn't. Our
0:50:03 > 0:50:11whole family was killed in front of me by an air strike. I returned my
0:50:11 > 0:50:15children to the shelter and came out alone to tell our story. The army is
0:50:15 > 0:50:19advancing from different points. Tens of people have been killed,
0:50:19 > 0:50:25more than 5000 people in the town are threatened with elimination.
0:50:25 > 0:50:29Please send our message to the rest of the world. This may be the last
0:50:29 > 0:50:33message I can send. The wounded are on the streets and cannot be
0:50:33 > 0:50:42transferred. They are targeting any moving object. Families are trying
0:50:42 > 0:50:48to flee under shelling. We don't know what has happened to them. The
0:50:48 > 0:50:52regime army is shelling the town with all sorts of weapons and we
0:50:52 > 0:50:56don't know what happened to the family that fled under the shelling.
0:50:56 > 0:51:02There are many casualties on the streets, nobody is aiding them.
0:51:02 > 0:51:10Their fate is unknown. We don't know what will happen to us. There are
0:51:10 > 0:51:13machine guns, artillery shelling and air strikes targeting people who are
0:51:13 > 0:51:23trying to flee. Please help the town by bringing our voices to the world.
0:51:23 > 0:51:27We know we only have God, and this might be the last message from me
0:51:27 > 0:51:34and people in this town.And you don't know if the man who posted
0:51:34 > 0:51:41that message is alive or dead?No, we have no news about 5000 people in
0:51:41 > 0:51:47that town from last night. We hear all kinds of weapons are used there.
0:51:47 > 0:51:52It's very close to us but surrounded by the regime army. We are expecting
0:51:52 > 0:51:57the worst.
0:52:00 > 0:52:03the worst.Lina, you got out of Syria. What do you remember about
0:52:03 > 0:52:12the conflict beginning?Hello and thank you for having me here. First,
0:52:12 > 0:52:20let me put things in context. The situation in Syria is compensated
0:52:20 > 0:52:25just as the international community wants it to be complicated. -- is
0:52:25 > 0:52:35complicated. What happened was a revolution against the dictatorship.
0:52:36 > 0:52:45It's a brutal dictatorship, like Nazis in the Middle East.
0:52:45 > 0:52:47Nazis in the Middle East. The world and international community wants it
0:52:47 > 0:52:53to stay. What happened in Syria was a revolution against this
0:52:53 > 0:52:59dictatorship who is exterminating its people, doing a war against them
0:52:59 > 0:53:06with the help of the Russians and Iran, the help of Iranians militias,
0:53:06 > 0:53:09underground. And also with the help of the silence of the international
0:53:09 > 0:53:17community. These terrorist countries, Russia, the Assad regime,
0:53:17 > 0:53:25and Iran, were violating the international community resolutions.
0:53:25 > 0:53:33All these seven years. And there was no action at all. This is why the
0:53:33 > 0:53:39international community contributed in killing the Syrian people and
0:53:39 > 0:53:44violence, the depths of thousands and thousands of civilians, millions
0:53:44 > 0:53:49of them.
0:53:50 > 0:53:55of them.Let me ask for a reaction to that. Lina is right, the
0:53:55 > 0:53:59international community has past few resolutions and hasn't done a thing.
0:53:59 > 0:54:02This is the pattern we have seen since the absolute beginning of the
0:54:02 > 0:54:12uprising. Activists from the first day were risking their lives, images
0:54:12 > 0:54:16of the beautiful protest they were holding. They were disappeared for
0:54:16 > 0:54:19trying to communicate to the outside world that they were protesting for
0:54:19 > 0:54:24freedom and being shot at. The international community has shown so
0:54:24 > 0:54:28much indifference. You are right in saying earlier that this is the best
0:54:28 > 0:54:33and worst of humanity we are seeing in Syria. We have witnessed people
0:54:33 > 0:54:36fending for each other in the country. We have witnessed
0:54:36 > 0:54:40protesters risking their lives to tell the truth. We have witnessed
0:54:40 > 0:54:43doctors trying to treat patients under the lights of flashlights
0:54:43 > 0:54:47because there is no electricity. We have witnessed White helmets saving
0:54:47 > 0:54:51civilians from bombs. All this time we have known exactly what is
0:54:51 > 0:54:55happening because people risk their lives to show us, but we have let
0:54:55 > 0:54:58them down miserably. The international community has had
0:54:58 > 0:55:03absolutely no backbone and frankly we should be ashamed, particularly
0:55:03 > 0:55:06compared to the stunning bravery shown by the Syrian people in the
0:55:06 > 0:55:13last few years.How long do you think this war will go on for?Thank
0:55:13 > 0:55:21you for having me here. This war, after seven years of fighting and
0:55:21 > 0:55:27killing and the conflict in Syria, we hope it will finish soon, as soon
0:55:27 > 0:55:30as is because the international community should now move and work
0:55:30 > 0:55:37together. We want to build hope, British, French and American people,
0:55:37 > 0:55:41should try to stop the war there because Russia, the first
0:55:41 > 0:55:44responsible country of what is happening in the Syria now, with the
0:55:44 > 0:55:50support of the Iranians people, it's eight criminal and chemical
0:55:50 > 0:55:55government.You were 11 when the conflict started and you are now a
0:55:55 > 0:56:01young man. The conflict continues, despite your president crossing what
0:56:01 > 0:56:06was called a red line by then US president Obama by using chemical
0:56:06 > 0:56:09weapons against his people. What should happen?They should work
0:56:09 > 0:56:20together. Russia has used its vote more than ten times in the UN
0:56:20 > 0:56:23Security Council, creating problems for the Syrian people. They built
0:56:23 > 0:56:33their hope on the western war.Thank you so much for coming on the
0:56:33 > 0:56:39programme. We appreciate it, and will continue to report on it. We
0:56:39 > 0:56:44will see how and when it ends.
0:56:44 > 0:56:49We will bring you the latest news and sport in a moment.
0:56:49 > 0:56:52In the past half hour, we've had an update
0:56:52 > 0:56:54from the Metropolitan Police about the Grenfell
0:56:54 > 0:56:55Tower fire last June.
0:56:55 > 0:56:58Our correspondent, Lucinda Adam, is here.
0:56:58 > 0:57:05Tell us what they have told us. Witnesses to the Grenfell Tower Fire
0:57:05 > 0:57:08and emergency services were shocked by how quickly the fire spread
0:57:08 > 0:57:14around the building. We know 71 people died and dozens were injured
0:57:14 > 0:57:19when the fire happened last June in a tower block. Now a door from the
0:57:19 > 0:57:22Grenfell Tower, it has been found it could only hold backfire for half
0:57:22 > 0:57:26the time it was meant to. The Metropolitan Police told us that
0:57:26 > 0:57:30this morning. They have done tests on the door, it was designed to hold
0:57:30 > 0:57:34back a fire for 30 minutes, but after expert tests, they found it
0:57:34 > 0:57:38only held it back for 15 minutes, and the Metropolitan Police describe
0:57:38 > 0:57:42it as a much shorter period than expected.How does this lead into
0:57:42 > 0:57:47the wider enquiries as to how the fire happened and how it spread so
0:57:47 > 0:57:51rapidly?The Metropolitan Police are still in the middle of looking at
0:57:51 > 0:57:55that, carrying out forensic examinations at the scene and also
0:57:55 > 0:57:59expert tests off-site. They say they will not say at the moment whether
0:57:59 > 0:58:04any test results will have any implications on an overall criminal
0:58:04 > 0:58:06investigation, but they have said that officers have shared their
0:58:06 > 0:58:10findings with the Ministry of Housing and Department for
0:58:10 > 0:58:13Communities and Local Government, for them to take any action
0:58:13 > 0:58:18required.Housing Secretary Sajid Javid is going to make a statement
0:58:18 > 0:58:23on the subject from 11:30am which people can watch here on BBC news.
0:58:23 > 0:58:27No information yet on who made the doors, who manufactured them, who
0:58:27 > 0:58:32supplied them and who put them into Grenfell Tower. The news and sport
0:58:32 > 0:58:33is coming up at 10am.
0:58:33 > 0:58:36Let's get the latest weather update with Alina.
0:58:38 > 0:58:42I thought I would start with some sunshine, there has been some around
0:58:42 > 0:58:48today. For large parts of the country it has looks like this, a
0:58:48 > 0:58:51lot of rain around. Northern Ireland has seen 50 millimetres in the last
0:58:51 > 0:58:5724 hours with more to come. Rain in the short-term, but over the next
0:58:57 > 0:59:0224-48 hours it will turn colder. Picking up an easterly wind, and it
0:59:02 > 0:59:06will feed into some snow across the weekend. The band of rain this
0:59:06 > 0:59:11afternoon clearing away eventually in Northern Ireland and its way
0:59:11 > 0:59:14north east across northern ingot and south-west Scotland. North-east
0:59:14 > 0:59:19Scotland will stay largely dry but it's very windy with wind extending
0:59:19 > 0:59:23down the east coast. Some rain showers could be heavily heavy and
0:59:23 > 0:59:32thundery. We will keep the strength of the wind. Snow over higher ground
0:59:32 > 0:59:35in Scotland. Another band of showery rain pushing in from the south-west
0:59:35 > 0:59:40affecting parts of England and Wales and temperatures overnight between
0:59:40 > 0:59:44three and seven Celsius. Colder air coming into Scotland could see icy
0:59:44 > 0:59:48stretches tomorrow morning and further snow, both the other high
0:59:48 > 0:59:53ground but extending to lower parts in northern England. Sunshine and
0:59:53 > 0:59:56showers in the south, but they could be heavy and thundery with some hail
0:59:56 > 1:00:03thrown in. Mild across central and southern England but colder further
1:00:03 > 1:00:06north and a sign of what's to come over the weekend because we will
1:00:06 > 1:00:13once again pick up an easterly wind. The blue colours indicating the cold
1:00:13 > 1:00:17temperatures, not as cold as earlier in the month, but a dip in
1:00:17 > 1:00:22temperature and a sharp shock to the system on Saturday. We could see
1:00:22 > 1:00:25snow overnight. Sunny spells and snow showers. Adding on the strength
1:00:25 > 1:00:29of the wind and it will feel bitterly cold. Temperatures dropping
1:00:29 > 1:00:36in places by 8-10d. The monitor might read 2 degrees, but given the
1:00:36 > 1:00:39strength of the wind it will be bitterly cold. On Sunday, this
1:00:39 > 1:00:44feature will be pushing up from the south and it could potentially bring
1:00:44 > 1:00:51some significant snow to parts of southern England and Wales. In
1:00:51 > 1:00:54uncertainty to the timings but we will likely see some snow around on
1:00:54 > 1:00:58Sunday and it will feel really cold with temperatures struggling to get
1:00:58 > 1:01:01above freezing. Adding on the strength of the wind and it will
1:01:01 > 1:01:08feel subzero.
1:01:23 > 1:01:25Hello, it's 10am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire.
1:01:25 > 1:01:28President Trump comes out in support of the UK's decision to expel 23
1:01:28 > 1:01:30Russian diplomats from Britain after the nerve agent
1:01:30 > 1:01:31attack in Salisbury.
1:01:31 > 1:01:33The United States stands in absolute solidarity with Great Britain.
1:01:33 > 1:01:35The United States believes that Russia
1:01:35 > 1:01:38is responsible for the attack on two people in the United Kingdom, using
1:01:38 > 1:01:39a military grade nerve agent.
1:01:39 > 1:01:40We will get reaction.
1:01:40 > 1:01:42Also coming up on the programme...
1:01:42 > 1:01:45Sherry Denness was 17 when she attempted to take her own
1:01:45 > 1:01:47life nine times in ten days at the end of last
1:01:47 > 1:01:50year - before she got the help she needed.
1:01:50 > 1:01:52She told us about the problems she and her family faced
1:01:52 > 1:01:55in getting the right support.
1:01:55 > 1:02:05I have been dealt with a lot in hospitals, paediatric wards, and it
1:02:05 > 1:02:09is just... There is this massive to do about it and no one wants to talk
1:02:09 > 1:02:15about it, no one wants to help. One viewer says the entire mental health
1:02:15 > 1:02:18system in our country needs a complete overhaul and it is not fit
1:02:18 > 1:02:24for purpose in its current state. More messages from you so why will
1:02:24 > 1:02:29read those in the next hour. Also...
1:02:29 > 1:02:31Working repeated shifts for free - and with no offer
1:02:31 > 1:02:33of a job at the end.
1:02:33 > 1:02:36As calls to ban the practice of unpaid trial shifts are debated
1:02:36 > 1:02:38in Parliament, do let us know your experiences.
1:02:38 > 1:02:41And we'll hear about the latest fitness craze - beer yoga -
1:02:41 > 1:02:43where you can enjoy sipping a nice cold lager while doing
1:02:43 > 1:02:50the downward dog.
1:02:51 > 1:02:53Good morning.
1:02:53 > 1:02:54Here's Annita McVeigh in the BBC Newsroom
1:02:54 > 1:02:58with a summary of today's news.
1:02:58 > 1:02:59Good morning.
1:02:59 > 1:03:01The White House has given its backing to Britain's
1:03:01 > 1:03:03decision to expel Russian diplomats in retaliation for the nerve
1:03:03 > 1:03:06agent attack on Sergei Skripal and his daughter.
1:03:06 > 1:03:10The US said it was a just response and America stood in solidarity
1:03:10 > 1:03:12with its closest ally.
1:03:12 > 1:03:15Russia says it is working on retaliatory measures
1:03:15 > 1:03:21after 23 of its diplomats were expelled from Britain.
1:03:21 > 1:03:27The labratory where scientists helped identify the nerve agent used
1:03:27 > 1:03:29in Salisbury is to get more funding from the Government
1:03:29 > 1:03:31as part of a defence modernisation programme.
1:03:31 > 1:03:35An extra £48 million for a new Chemical Weapons Defence
1:03:35 > 1:03:40Centre at Porton Down will be announced by Gavin
1:03:40 > 1:03:46Williamson in his first major speech as Defence Secretary later today.
1:03:46 > 1:03:48The investigation into the fire at Grenfell Tower has
1:03:48 > 1:03:51found the fire doors may not have been as effective as they
1:03:51 > 1:03:52were supposed to be.
1:03:52 > 1:03:54The Metropolitan Police tested a door designed to resist fire
1:03:54 > 1:03:57for half an hour and found that it only lasted 15 minutes.
1:03:57 > 1:03:59The investigation is ongoing.
1:03:59 > 1:04:01The Brexit Secretary, David Davis, has said he's prepared
1:04:01 > 1:04:04to accept the EU's offer of a shortened transition period,
1:04:04 > 1:04:06after the UK leaves the European Union in March, 2019.
1:04:06 > 1:04:09He said he would agree to a call for the transition to end
1:04:09 > 1:04:12in December, 2020, if that helped to secure a deal at
1:04:12 > 1:04:18next week's EU summit.
1:04:18 > 1:04:22The World Health Organization is to carry out a review
1:04:22 > 1:04:24of the potential impact of plastic on human health.
1:04:24 > 1:04:29It follows the release of a new study by US researchers -
1:04:29 > 1:04:31the largest of its kind - which discovered plastic particles
1:04:31 > 1:04:38in popular brands of bottled water.
1:04:38 > 1:04:42Scientists say there is no evidence yet to suggest it is a cause for
1:04:42 > 1:04:45concern.
1:04:45 > 1:04:47A 20-year-old woman has been jailed for six months
1:04:47 > 1:04:50in the American state of Minnesota for fatally shooting her boyfriend
1:04:50 > 1:04:52in a botched YouTube video they hoped would go viral.
1:04:52 > 1:04:55Pedro Ruiz convinced Monalisa Perez to shoot him at close range
1:04:55 > 1:04:57with a powerful pistol, believing that a thick
1:04:57 > 1:05:00book he held in front of his chest would shield him.
1:05:00 > 1:05:07He died at the scene.
1:05:07 > 1:05:11In the past three years, parents across England and Wales have been
1:05:11 > 1:05:16fined around £24 million for failing to send their children to school. A
1:05:16 > 1:05:19BBC investigation shows some councils are you issuing penalties
1:05:19 > 1:05:23at rates five times higher than the average and some parents say they
1:05:23 > 1:05:27now actively budget for the cost of fines when planning holidays. Some
1:05:27 > 1:05:31councils admit they have become stricter but they say they are
1:05:31 > 1:05:35protecting the education of children. Some MPs and lawyers have
1:05:35 > 1:05:38called for a blanket ban on page shiftwork. Companies currently
1:05:38 > 1:05:45invite prospective employees to do trial shifts. But there has been a
1:05:45 > 1:05:49sixfold increase over three years in complaints about unpaid shifts
1:05:49 > 1:05:55according to the trade union Unite. On Friday a Private Members' Bill
1:05:55 > 1:06:00seeking to make unpaid trials illegal will get its second
1:06:00 > 1:06:01parliamentary reading.
1:06:01 > 1:06:03That's a summary of the latest BBC News.
1:06:03 > 1:06:05More at 10.30am.
1:06:05 > 1:06:09This tweet, I have borderline personality disorder, I often
1:06:09 > 1:06:13describe it as the angel on one shoulder, the devil on the other. I
1:06:13 > 1:06:18eventually received the right treatment. I hope the beautiful
1:06:18 > 1:06:22young woman on your programme today, Sherry, gets the right help.
1:06:22 > 1:06:27Caroline says, I was 45 and had of short-term psychotic breakdown. My
1:06:27 > 1:06:32brother-in-law took me to A&E with hallucinations and flashing lights
1:06:32 > 1:06:37at 3:30am, I asked her sleeping tablets, they sent me home with
1:06:37 > 1:06:42nothing. At 9pm the next night, I attempted to take my own life. A&E
1:06:42 > 1:06:47have failed me. There are a number of those which I will read through
1:06:47 > 1:06:51the next hour of the programme. If you want to send us an e-mail, you
1:06:51 > 1:06:56do not have to use your name, you can use Twitter, and if you text,
1:06:56 > 1:07:01you will be charged that the standard network rate.
1:07:01 > 1:07:03Here's some sport now with Hugh.
1:07:03 > 1:07:05Well, we knew it was a sizeable task for Chelsea in
1:07:05 > 1:07:07the Champions League, away at Spanish League leaders
1:07:07 > 1:07:11Barcelona, and as some may have predicted, a great performance
1:07:11 > 1:07:19from five-time Ballon D'or winner Lionel Messi was the difference.
1:07:20 > 1:07:22He scored two and set the other up in their 3-0 win.
1:07:22 > 1:07:25The first came after just a couple of minutes,
1:07:25 > 1:07:26deceiving Thibaut Courtois in the Chelsea goal,
1:07:26 > 1:07:28before his second - different end, different
1:07:28 > 1:07:36foot, same result.
1:07:36 > 1:07:38A 4-1 aggregate win for Messi and Barca which means
1:07:38 > 1:07:39Liverpool and Manchester City
1:07:39 > 1:07:42will be the two British clubs in the quarterfinal
1:07:42 > 1:07:43draw tomorrow.
1:07:43 > 1:07:49Our start was terrible, to concede a goal after only two minutes, but
1:07:49 > 1:08:00after this, I think we tried to play football. For a long time, we
1:08:00 > 1:08:03dominated, we created chances to score.
1:08:03 > 1:08:05There were better scenes for Arsenal's Women last night.
1:08:05 > 1:08:07They stunned favourites Manchester City to win
1:08:07 > 1:08:09the Continental Tyres Cup for a record fifth time
1:08:09 > 1:08:111-0, thanks to Vivianne Miedema's goal.
1:08:11 > 1:08:15England Rugby Union head coach Eddie Jones has apologised
1:08:15 > 1:08:19for making derogatory comments regarding Ireland and Wales.
1:08:19 > 1:08:24At a sponsors' talk last summer, it's emerged he described the Irish
1:08:24 > 1:08:29as "scummy" and Wales as, well, not a very nice little
1:08:29 > 1:08:32place, shall we say?
1:08:32 > 1:08:34Well, Jones has apologised unreservedly, adding, "No excuses,
1:08:34 > 1:08:39I shouldn't have said what I did."
1:08:39 > 1:08:41England host Ireland in the Six Nations at
1:08:41 > 1:08:42Twickenham on Saturday.
1:08:42 > 1:08:45It's day three of the Cheltenham Festival but it'll be missing one
1:08:45 > 1:08:46of racing's biggest stars.
1:08:46 > 1:08:49That's after a serious injury to jockey Ruby Walsh yesterday.
1:08:49 > 1:08:52He went to hospital with a suspected broken leg when he fell
1:08:52 > 1:08:53at the second last fence.
1:08:53 > 1:08:56He broke the same leg four months ago and had only just
1:08:56 > 1:08:58made his return to racing.
1:08:58 > 1:09:00Now he'll miss the rest of the festival, including
1:09:00 > 1:09:02Friday's Gold Cup.
1:09:02 > 1:09:07But on a difficult day for the Walsh family,
1:09:07 > 1:09:15there was some success for Ruby's sister, Katy.
1:09:17 > 1:09:18She won on board the 25-to-1 shot Relegate
1:09:18 > 1:09:21in the final race of the day.
1:09:21 > 1:09:24The big race of the day, though, was the Queen Mother Champion Chase.
1:09:24 > 1:09:27It was billed as a straight fight between the British trained Altior
1:09:27 > 1:09:28and Irish horse Douvan.
1:09:28 > 1:09:30But after Douvan fell with four fences to jump,
1:09:30 > 1:09:33the evens favourite Altior ridden by Nico de Boinville easily came
1:09:33 > 1:09:34home first in the end.
1:09:34 > 1:09:37And Great Britain can't win a medal in the wheelchair curling
1:09:37 > 1:09:38at the Winter Parlympics.
1:09:38 > 1:09:40Earlier they lost to hosts Korea in their penultimate
1:09:40 > 1:09:41round-robin match.
1:09:41 > 1:09:45That result meant they had to rely on others to see if they could make
1:09:45 > 1:09:47the medal playoffs.
1:09:47 > 1:09:51But in the afternoon session, Norway's victory over Slovakia means
1:09:51 > 1:09:53that Britain are out, even if they win their final pool
1:09:53 > 1:09:56match against China.
1:09:56 > 1:10:01More sport later on. Thank you.
1:10:01 > 1:10:04The United States says it stands in solidarity with the UK
1:10:04 > 1:10:06following the Prime Minister's decision to expel 23 Russian
1:10:06 > 1:10:08diplomats after Moscow refused to explain how a Russian-made nerve
1:10:08 > 1:10:11agent was used in a murder attempt on a former spy.
1:10:11 > 1:10:15Theresa May has also revoked an invitation
1:10:15 > 1:10:17to Russia's foreign minister and said the royal family would not
1:10:17 > 1:10:22attend the Fifa World Cup later this year.
1:10:22 > 1:10:25The Russian Embassy said the expulsions
1:10:25 > 1:10:27were "unacceptable, unjustified and short-sighted".
1:10:27 > 1:10:29In a hardening of President Trump's tone on Russia, his spokeswoman
1:10:29 > 1:10:32accused it of undermining the security of countries worldwide.
1:10:32 > 1:10:35The White House's comment were echoed by the US
1:10:35 > 1:10:37Ambassador to the UN, Nikki Haley, during an emergency meeting
1:10:37 > 1:10:43of the Security Council.
1:10:43 > 1:10:49The United States stands in absolute solidarity with Great Britain. The
1:10:49 > 1:10:52United States believes Russia is responsible for the attack on two
1:10:52 > 1:10:57people in the UK using a military grade nerve agent but this is not an
1:10:57 > 1:11:02isolated incident. The assassination attempt in Salisbury is part of an
1:11:02 > 1:11:06alarming increase in the use of chemical weapons. Russia must fully
1:11:06 > 1:11:11cooperate with the UK's investigation and come clean about
1:11:11 > 1:11:16its own chemical weapons programme. Russia is a permanent member of the
1:11:16 > 1:11:21Security Council. It is entrusted in the United Nations Charter with
1:11:21 > 1:11:24upholding international peace and security. It must account for
1:11:24 > 1:11:32exceptions.We have a lot of people to speak to. Let us introduce them.
1:11:32 > 1:11:34Let's speak now to Mark Lyall-Grant, a former National Security Adviser
1:11:34 > 1:11:38and UK Ambassador to the UN.
1:11:38 > 1:11:40Oliver Miles, Ambassador to Libya when PC Yvonne Fletcher
1:11:40 > 1:11:42was killed and Britain severed diplomatic ties with them,
1:11:42 > 1:11:44and Hamish De Bretton Gordon, who is the former commanding officer
1:11:44 > 1:11:46of the British Army's Chemical, Biological, Radiological
1:11:46 > 1:11:54and Nuclear Regiment.
1:11:55 > 1:11:56 Chris Bryant -
1:11:56 > 1:11:58Labour MP, Chair of the all-party group on Russia
1:11:58 > 1:12:00and member of the Foreign Affairs Select Committee.
1:12:00 > 1:12:05The significance of Donald Trump racking Theresa May.It is very
1:12:05 > 1:12:09significant, there were some concerns he had not been as
1:12:09 > 1:12:13forthright as he might have been -- racking Theresa May. Following
1:12:13 > 1:12:18comments by the ambassador at the UN last night, extremely strong, the
1:12:18 > 1:12:21White House itself has come out and echoed those comments and I think
1:12:21 > 1:12:26that is really important because part of the purpose behind last
1:12:26 > 1:12:30night's emergency meeting of the UN Security Council was to secure
1:12:30 > 1:12:35messages of support from our allies and friends around the world and to
1:12:35 > 1:12:39bring to the attention of the international community the facts of
1:12:39 > 1:12:45this horrendous case.Oliver Miles, what should happen now?I think
1:12:45 > 1:12:50there are two points I would like to make about the Libyan affair which I
1:12:50 > 1:12:53was involved in in 1984 when I was responsible for breaking off
1:12:53 > 1:12:57relations with the Libyan government. One which struck me when
1:12:57 > 1:13:01I read recently, I did not know at the time, was Mrs Thatcher, the
1:13:01 > 1:13:05Prime Minister at the time, very reluctant at first to break off
1:13:05 > 1:13:09relations because she could see the consequences were literally
1:13:09 > 1:13:15incalculable, unforeseeable. The second point I want to make, the
1:13:15 > 1:13:18consequences were in fact very bad for Britain because it was after we
1:13:18 > 1:13:22broke off relations that Gaddafi gave some text of the IRA which was
1:13:22 > 1:13:31I think the most damaging thing he ever did --
1:13:31 > 1:13:34ever did -- gave Semtex. The lesson I would draw in a word from that
1:13:34 > 1:13:40event to be applied in the present crisis is, think carefully before
1:13:40 > 1:13:44you act, take it slowly.Let me bring in Chris Bryant, Labour MP,
1:13:44 > 1:13:50that is potentially what your leader is saying, some believe he is, but
1:13:50 > 1:13:55there are Labour MPs criticising him for not condemning Russia, for not
1:13:55 > 1:13:59apportioning blame to Russia?I do not think the important point at
1:13:59 > 1:14:04this stage is what the Labour Party thinks, if I'm honest.The Leader of
1:14:04 > 1:14:08the Opposition, he wants to be in Number 10.I fully understand that,
1:14:08 > 1:14:13but I think this is really about how Britain make sure we in this country
1:14:13 > 1:14:17are safe, it is about how the international community comes
1:14:17 > 1:14:22together to say to Russia that we will not put up with this. I think,
1:14:22 > 1:14:29for instance, removing 23 diplomats from the UK will seriously degrade
1:14:29 > 1:14:32their ability to gather intelligence in the UK and that is an important
1:14:32 > 1:14:37factor. I do not think Theresa May has over at the pudding, if
1:14:37 > 1:14:43anything, she has gone admirably steadily and there may be further
1:14:43 > 1:14:48things she wants to do, I would be slightly critical of her in that it
1:14:48 > 1:14:52has taken quite a long time for us to get here. Actually, Putin's track
1:14:52 > 1:14:56record is very clear of readily and repeatedly using excessive violence,
1:14:56 > 1:15:05whether in the Moscow State siege or Ukraine, bringing down of the MH17
1:15:05 > 1:15:10plane, we have a track record here, a clear motive for Russia to be
1:15:10 > 1:15:15involved in this, and having read quite a lot... I am not a chemist,
1:15:15 > 1:15:22but having read quite a lot of the international chemists experts in
1:15:22 > 1:15:26this field, their reading of the situation, it seems to point very
1:15:26 > 1:15:31clearly to Putin.I will ask you again, why won't your leader, Jeremy
1:15:31 > 1:15:35Corbyn, condemn Russia for this chemical weapons attack?As I
1:15:35 > 1:15:40understand it, he has.He has called it an appalling attack, he has not
1:15:40 > 1:15:45apportion blame to Russia.I understand he has. The story has
1:15:45 > 1:15:51moved on and Emily Thornberry, and the Shadow Defence Secretary, they
1:15:51 > 1:15:55were clear we as a party stand full square...What has Jeremy Corbyn
1:15:55 > 1:16:01said?I have not seen the statement himself, I have only seen reports of
1:16:01 > 1:16:06it. You saw in the House of Commons yesterday, and the leader of the
1:16:06 > 1:16:08Welsh Labour Party on the Scottish Nationalists and the Welsh
1:16:08 > 1:16:12Nationalists, everybody is very clear that this is a question of
1:16:12 > 1:16:19national security and the country has to stand together.
1:16:20 > 1:16:22Hamish, can I ask you about the new
1:16:22 > 1:16:24Hamish, can I ask you about the new facility at Porton down being
1:16:24 > 1:16:30announced today, there were plans in the pipeline and it has been
1:16:30 > 1:16:33hastened on British soil, what difference will it make for people
1:16:33 > 1:16:37in Britain from eight chemical weapons attack?First of all we
1:16:37 > 1:16:48recognise there is a gap in capability. We were blindsided by
1:16:48 > 1:16:51the attack in Salisbury. Now the threat is apparent we need to make
1:16:51 > 1:16:56sure our military have the capability to be able to defend this
1:16:56 > 1:17:02country on our shores and outside with the right capability.If
1:17:02 > 1:17:05somebody's food or drink is spiked or a droplet of stuff sprayed in
1:17:05 > 1:17:10their face can kill them, how can this new facility potentially stop
1:17:10 > 1:17:17that happening again?I expect it is part of a range of capabilities. Now
1:17:17 > 1:17:22we know the threat exists, and I would say that the only people...
1:17:22 > 1:17:27The only tiny doubt the Russians are involved, only the Russians can help
1:17:27 > 1:17:36with that. We know they are the only ones who make this agent, and the
1:17:36 > 1:17:41Russians confirmed that yesterday. There is only one place where
1:17:41 > 1:17:46Novichok is made, and that is in Russia. If the Prohibition of
1:17:46 > 1:17:59chemical weapons envoy can go to Russia, at the moment it looks Irish
1:17:59 > 1:18:02is the only explanation. We will develop capabilities to keep people
1:18:02 > 1:18:05safe in this country.The Russian Foreign Ministry says Russia will
1:18:05 > 1:18:11expel British diplomats soon, we are just hearing. You would expect that.
1:18:11 > 1:18:21You would expect that, it see standard Russian response.
1:18:21 > 1:18:24standard Russian response. That was fully expected and factored into the
1:18:24 > 1:18:30government's original decision, I'm sure.Chris Bryant...I do agree,
1:18:30 > 1:18:34incidentally, that was obvious.Is that it for diplomatic relations
1:18:34 > 1:18:40between us and pressure for a period of time? Do we now enter potentially
1:18:40 > 1:18:45a second Cold War?No, because if we were to send the whole diplomatic
1:18:45 > 1:18:50team back, and suspend diplomatic relations, which we are clearly not.
1:18:50 > 1:18:52Incidentally, there are some questions that are not quite
1:18:52 > 1:19:01answered yet. It's not quite clear what the government's intention is
1:19:01 > 1:19:04with regard to people who are very close to the Putin regime who has
1:19:04 > 1:19:07significant assets in the UK on the basis of unexplained wealth. I hope
1:19:07 > 1:19:10we will freeze those assets as soon as possible. It's not quite clear
1:19:10 > 1:19:17what we will be doing about the Magnitsky Act or quite what the
1:19:17 > 1:19:20government intends. And it's not clear if we are suspending all
1:19:20 > 1:19:26operations with regard security for the World Cup. We did not suspend it
1:19:26 > 1:19:31with Sochi, meaning the Sochi Olympics could proceed safely. My
1:19:31 > 1:19:34anxiety, and I'm a Welshman, so it's none of my business whether England
1:19:34 > 1:19:38goes to play football in the World Cup, but my anxiety is whether it
1:19:38 > 1:19:45will actually be safe in Russia. We have often seen that Russian fans
1:19:45 > 1:19:50are sometimes inspired by Russian government activity and have been
1:19:50 > 1:19:54engaged in pretty violent attacks on other fans. My anxiety about the
1:19:54 > 1:19:57World Cup is whether it will be safe, simply.Thank you to all of
1:19:57 > 1:20:01you.
1:20:01 > 1:20:07Still to come, could it be possible to introduce individualised cancer
1:20:07 > 1:20:11vaccines? We will hear about major trials planned on both sides of the
1:20:11 > 1:20:18Atlantic that will start next year.
1:20:18 > 1:20:23Now a group of activists who have taken over a four-storey building
1:20:23 > 1:20:27that has been reportedly empty for 15 years in the centre of London. In
1:20:27 > 1:20:30order to give shelter to 100 homeless people. In their own words,
1:20:30 > 1:20:33they say they are saving people's lives because they have nowhere else
1:20:33 > 1:20:36to go.
1:20:36 > 1:20:38OK, so when we have somebody new come in,
1:20:38 > 1:20:40they come in the front door.
1:20:40 > 1:20:41They will be greeted here.
1:20:41 > 1:20:44We'll ask them what they need, how they are.
1:20:44 > 1:20:46What the priority is, whether they need to go
1:20:46 > 1:20:48straight to sleep, to eat.
1:20:48 > 1:20:51We have the kitchen down the end there.
1:20:51 > 1:20:53And we are providing hot, nutritious food all the time.
1:20:53 > 1:20:56There's tea and coffee.
1:20:56 > 1:20:59We have some medical supplies, and we have people who know how
1:20:59 > 1:21:01to look after people, so if somebody needs
1:21:01 > 1:21:05some attention to wounds or infections, we can do that.
1:21:05 > 1:21:09The sleeping area's on the ground floor here, and on the first floor.
1:21:09 > 1:21:11There was electricity already on in the building,
1:21:11 > 1:21:14and the water was already on.
1:21:14 > 1:21:17We just tidied up the plumbing where there were leaks and stuff,
1:21:17 > 1:21:19made sure everything was safe and secure.
1:21:19 > 1:21:21We have qualified electricians helping us, and I'm
1:21:21 > 1:21:24a plumber-builder as well, so we do safety checks every day,
1:21:24 > 1:21:27make sure there's nothing dangerous, no cables to trip over,
1:21:27 > 1:21:28everything's lit properly, so people don't...
1:21:28 > 1:21:31Yeah, we are keeping people safe.
1:21:31 > 1:21:33I left home at 15 years of age.
1:21:33 > 1:21:36I started going into the hostel system.
1:21:36 > 1:21:39There was a big battle because of social services,
1:21:39 > 1:21:43and a lot of things happened in a short amount of time.
1:21:43 > 1:21:47And I've been homeless recently due to a lot going on in my life.
1:21:47 > 1:21:49There was no help being given.
1:21:49 > 1:21:54There was nothing available, no services wanting to obviously
1:21:54 > 1:21:58understand or were willing to help, so I had no choice but to have
1:21:58 > 1:22:01nowhere to go, because there's nowhere for us to go.
1:22:01 > 1:22:04I mean, it's out there.
1:22:04 > 1:22:06I mean, it's hard out there.
1:22:06 > 1:22:09What about others that might say you've got no business being here,
1:22:09 > 1:22:11you don't own the building, that you're not paying
1:22:11 > 1:22:12rent for the building.
1:22:12 > 1:22:16What would you say to them?
1:22:16 > 1:22:19Our brothers and sisters have no business being on the street.
1:22:19 > 1:22:23Freezing, dying.
1:22:23 > 1:22:25And there are ten empty commercial buildings for every person who's
1:22:25 > 1:22:27registered street sleeping.
1:22:27 > 1:22:29Ten empty commercial buildings for every person who's registered
1:22:29 > 1:22:31as sleeping on the streets.
1:22:31 > 1:22:33I'm sorry.
1:22:33 > 1:22:36What business model is that?
1:22:36 > 1:22:38So, yeah, no business being here?
1:22:38 > 1:22:39We've a hundred people here.
1:22:39 > 1:22:41Eating, sleeping, comfortable.
1:22:41 > 1:22:45We're saving lives here.
1:22:45 > 1:22:48I'm sorry.
1:22:48 > 1:22:50Property.
1:22:50 > 1:22:55I've a disregard for that.
1:22:55 > 1:22:57When the building's been empty for 15 years,
1:22:57 > 1:22:58and we can save lives with it?
1:22:58 > 1:23:02It's our moral duty to save those lives.
1:23:02 > 1:23:08Here's an update: there was a legal hearing yesterday
1:23:08 > 1:23:11and the company that owns the building - W1 Properties -
1:23:11 > 1:23:14was issued with a possession order - meaning the firm has the legal right
1:23:14 > 1:23:16to evict those living the building.
1:23:16 > 1:23:19Lets talk now to Steve Broe who has been volunteering
1:23:19 > 1:23:27at the centre.
1:23:27 > 1:23:31Stush, who has been using the Centre since it opened on the 1st of March.
1:23:31 > 1:23:39And joining us from the Centre
1:23:39 > 1:23:43are Freddie and Rose, two of the Centre's users.
1:23:43 > 1:23:48How are you feeling this morning?It was kind of disappointing, but we
1:23:48 > 1:23:52did expect it. There's always a possibility to get more time to help
1:23:52 > 1:23:56people and get them relocated.Do you mean a bit of extra time in that
1:23:56 > 1:23:59building, or do you mean you have found another building?The thing
1:23:59 > 1:24:05about that is, we need a certain amount of notice. We had 160 people
1:24:05 > 1:24:11there last night. In what way can we just send them out to the streets?
1:24:11 > 1:24:17We are hoping to get a bit of leeway and time. Yes, there might be
1:24:17 > 1:24:24alternatives.It could be as early as tonight, is my understanding, if
1:24:24 > 1:24:28officials or bailiffs turn up and ask 160 people to leave, will they
1:24:28 > 1:24:36leave?...Will you leave?That's a very good question and one I can't
1:24:36 > 1:24:42answer until it happens.And would you leave?As Steve says, we will
1:24:42 > 1:24:47not know until the time occurs. But in general, if the bailiffs turn up,
1:24:47 > 1:24:53as they do, and a lot of time they are mob handed, for a better turn of
1:24:53 > 1:25:00phrase, they may leave us no choice in the matter. And depending if
1:25:00 > 1:25:03people do resist, because some people have literally fought tooth
1:25:03 > 1:25:08and nail their entire lives. Some of the people in the building have
1:25:08 > 1:25:11experience of homelessness that goes well beyond just sleeping on the
1:25:11 > 1:25:20street. If you had a guest on earlier who is suffering from the
1:25:20 > 1:25:25mental issues that she has, and a lot of people, if they didn't have
1:25:25 > 1:25:29one before, they've certainly got one now. And they will potentially
1:25:29 > 1:25:33fight tooth and nail just not to be put in potentially the same
1:25:33 > 1:25:38position. You can understand why somebody wouldn't want to be made
1:25:38 > 1:25:44homeless ahead of the weekend that is showing signs of having whether
1:25:44 > 1:25:48by you need to be inside. In a building that has been empty for a
1:25:48 > 1:25:51very long time, and was of no interest to the owner until this
1:25:51 > 1:25:57time.But it doesn't belong to you, that's what people say, it belongs
1:25:57 > 1:26:02to them.It's perfectly valid that it might belong to somebody, but if
1:26:02 > 1:26:06they are not using it and we can save lives with it, I don't see the
1:26:06 > 1:26:13problem with that.Let me bring in Freddie and Rose. Hello and good
1:26:13 > 1:26:19morning. Tell us what it's been like for you living there and what it has
1:26:19 > 1:26:24meant to use.
1:26:29 > 1:26:36meant to use.I am very, very friendly with the people. It is so
1:26:36 > 1:26:45hard for me. Seeing people outside sleeping. A few weeks ago four
1:26:45 > 1:26:54people died because of the snow. It's hard to me. I can't believe,
1:26:54 > 1:27:04London is a rich city, but there is a lot of people sleeping outside.
1:27:04 > 1:27:17It's raining, snowing. It's hard for me to see that.Freddie, where were
1:27:17 > 1:27:29you sleeping before you came to this building?Outside.I was sleeping in
1:27:29 > 1:27:35a cold and unheated domestic environment. I came here for a
1:27:35 > 1:27:38reason. I knew this building because for many years I was dispatch riding
1:27:38 > 1:27:43and I used to deliver and collect items from here. It seems ridiculous
1:27:43 > 1:27:49that when it ceases to be used, it just sits vacant, doing precisely
1:27:49 > 1:27:55nothing for anybody. Except maybe accruing in value, so it is a
1:27:55 > 1:28:04speculative tool rather than the incredibly
1:28:04 > 1:28:06incredibly creative and interesting environment that has been created to
1:28:06 > 1:28:11save people's lives in real terms. We can see the environment behind
1:28:11 > 1:28:15you, but describe it for those who want to know more about what's going
1:28:15 > 1:28:22on in the four stories.It's very simple. People need to have a
1:28:22 > 1:28:29temperature which will not endanger their lives. So for every degree
1:28:29 > 1:28:35above a certain point, people are far better off. This is a factory
1:28:35 > 1:28:42for saving lives. You could put it like that, because it does something
1:28:42 > 1:28:50real for people.Steve, a factory for saving lives, is that an apt
1:28:50 > 1:28:59description?Yes. What we have are people coming in, not just being fed
1:28:59 > 1:29:03and rested, but they socialise as well. There is an amazing amount of
1:29:03 > 1:29:08kindness, caring and empathy because everybody knows what it is like. You
1:29:08 > 1:29:14have people coming out after a good nights sleep and food. They think
1:29:14 > 1:29:21it's great, it feels wonderful. It's a phrase I have used a lot, you can
1:29:21 > 1:29:25see them wake up and shake off all that pressure they have been under.
1:29:25 > 1:29:31They will have breakfast and go, there are dishes to wash, I will do
1:29:31 > 1:29:36that. People are mopping floors, doing the dishes, helping to cook.
1:29:36 > 1:29:42People bring their skills. We have plumbers and carpenters, people who
1:29:42 > 1:29:47are finding something to do within their own skill set, and reminding
1:29:47 > 1:29:50themselves that it is possible and they might actually get back to work
1:29:50 > 1:29:56and get back into life. But out on the street when freezing cold, they
1:29:56 > 1:30:00can only concentrate on surviving. Give them a break from that and they
1:30:00 > 1:30:05start to think, maybe I can have the time now to look for work, maybe I
1:30:05 > 1:30:09can go to the building site down the road and get back on my feet.This
1:30:09 > 1:30:12is what Westminster City Council tell us, they say the building is
1:30:12 > 1:30:16privately owned and as such any further legal action is up to the
1:30:16 > 1:30:23owner to take. But Westminster has a well-established route to help
1:30:25 > 1:30:27people who might be sleeping rough and who are homeless through street
1:30:27 > 1:30:30link. The council spends £6.5 million per year on rough sleeping
1:30:30 > 1:30:37services and hostel and rough bed spaces are available every night and
1:30:37 > 1:30:44council workers are out every night offering help to rough sleepers.
1:30:44 > 1:30:51I will give you the polite version, it is not working, our organisation,
1:30:51 > 1:30:57they have been doing outreach in three different locations most
1:30:57 > 1:31:01nights of the week in London, Hackney, Central London, Camden,
1:31:01 > 1:31:06they talk to people, if somebody wants to be connected to StreetLink,
1:31:06 > 1:31:12we try to make phone calls, even if we gave our mobile numbers, call us
1:31:12 > 1:31:16back, they will say, if you get through to them, really hard, they
1:31:16 > 1:31:21might say, we will try to get to you within three hours. Get the person
1:31:21 > 1:31:25to stay where they are... We have quite a few stories of people
1:31:25 > 1:31:31staying in the same place for five days, no call-back, no pick-up.We
1:31:31 > 1:31:35will see what StreetLink have to say. Thank you. We will see what
1:31:35 > 1:31:40happens when the eviction occurs. Thank you for coming on the
1:31:40 > 1:31:47programme.Thank you for hearing us. Is not a problem.
1:31:47 > 1:31:50Time for the latest news.
1:31:50 > 1:31:53The BBC News headlines.
1:31:53 > 1:31:55The White House has given its backing to Britain's
1:31:55 > 1:31:58decision to expel Russian diplomats in retaliation for the nerve
1:31:58 > 1:32:00agent attack on Sergei Skripal and his daughter.
1:32:00 > 1:32:02The US said it was a just response and America stood
1:32:02 > 1:32:04in solidarity with its closest ally.
1:32:04 > 1:32:08Russia says it is working on retaliatory measures
1:32:08 > 1:32:11after 23 of its diplomats were expelled from Britain.
1:32:11 > 1:32:16The labratory where scientists helped identify
1:32:16 > 1:32:18the nerve agent used in Salisbury is to get more funding from
1:32:18 > 1:32:21the Government as part of a defence modernisation programme.
1:32:21 > 1:32:23An extra £48 million for a new Chemical Weapons Defence
1:32:23 > 1:32:25Centre at Porton Down will be announced by Gavin
1:32:25 > 1:32:33Williamson in his first major speech as Defence Secretary later today.
1:32:33 > 1:32:36The investigation into the fire at Grenfell Tower has
1:32:36 > 1:32:38found the fire doors may not have been as effective as they
1:32:38 > 1:32:40were supposed to be.
1:32:40 > 1:32:43The Metropolitan Police tested a door designed to resist
1:32:43 > 1:32:46fire for half an hour and found that it only lasted 15 minutes.
1:32:46 > 1:32:49The investigation is ongoing.
1:32:49 > 1:32:54That's a summary of the latest BBC News.
1:32:54 > 1:32:57Here's some sport now with Hugh.
1:32:57 > 1:33:00Chelsea were the latest British team to be knocked out
1:33:00 > 1:33:03of the Champions League last night after a 3-0 defeat
1:33:03 > 1:33:05away at Barcelona.
1:33:05 > 1:33:07Lionel Messi scored twice on the night.
1:33:07 > 1:33:11It means Manchester City and Liverpool are the only domestic
1:33:11 > 1:33:18sides in the hat for Friday's quarterfinal draw.
1:33:18 > 1:33:21Good news for Arsenal fans - the club secured its first piece
1:33:21 > 1:33:24of silverware this season as they shocked Manchester City
1:33:24 > 1:33:27to win the Continental Tyres Cup.
1:33:27 > 1:33:29It finished 1-0 thanks to Vivienne Miedema's winner.
1:33:29 > 1:33:31The Cheltenham Festival's all-time leading rider Ruby Walsh will miss
1:33:31 > 1:33:35the rest of this week's event after a fall yesterday.
1:33:35 > 1:33:40Walsh has a suspected leg fracture to the same leg
1:33:40 > 1:33:43with which he just spent four months away from the sport with injury.
1:33:43 > 1:33:45And Great Britain cannot win a medal in the wheelchair curling
1:33:45 > 1:33:47at the Winter Parlympics.
1:33:47 > 1:33:48Defeat to South Korea in their penultimate round-robin
1:33:48 > 1:33:51match and Norway's victory over Slovakia means the Britons cannot
1:33:51 > 1:33:52reach the medal play-off.
1:33:52 > 1:33:57They do have one match remaining. All the sport for now. More after
1:33:57 > 1:34:0011am.
1:34:00 > 1:34:03When you're drinking bottled water, do you know what you're
1:34:03 > 1:34:04putting into your body?
1:34:04 > 1:34:06Not just water, it seems, after a study suggested most major
1:34:06 > 1:34:08brands contain so-called microplastics - particles that
1:34:08 > 1:34:09are small enough to be ingested.
1:34:09 > 1:34:12The World Health Organization is now going to review the potential risks
1:34:12 > 1:34:15of plastic in drinking water.
1:34:34 > 1:34:41It absorbs to the surface of the plastics and under certain
1:34:41 > 1:34:48wavelengths of light, it causes them to basically sparkle like stars in
1:34:48 > 1:34:51the night sky.
1:35:55 > 1:36:05Let us talk now to Andrew Mayes, one of the pioneers of the Nile red
1:36:05 > 1:36:08technique, and managing director of food packaging foundation. What do
1:36:08 > 1:36:15you make of this, Andrew Mayes?A very interesting story and it
1:36:15 > 1:36:21highlights the fact micro-plastics all around us, everywhere look,
1:36:21 > 1:36:25everything we touch, our whole environment is full of plastic and I
1:36:25 > 1:36:30think this is an excellent highlight of the fact that it is in
1:36:30 > 1:36:37everything.Jane, we do not yet have the research suggesting what Chris,
1:36:37 > 1:36:43if any, there is to human beings, how do you react to this?-- what
1:36:43 > 1:36:49risk. It is reasonable to assume everyone is exposed to these plastic
1:36:49 > 1:36:53particles and that in itself means the risk is quite high. At the same
1:36:53 > 1:36:59time, what we do not know...We do not know that.We do not know what
1:36:59 > 1:37:03the toxicity is, that is what we do not know, but exposure seems to be
1:37:03 > 1:37:08very high, we know that.Do we need to change the way we bottled water?
1:37:08 > 1:37:14It is premature to say that. The next step should be to identify in
1:37:14 > 1:37:19great detail what the source is, is it the packaging, the bottling
1:37:19 > 1:37:23process or and environmental source? The next step is to reduce the
1:37:23 > 1:37:31exposure levels.Tell us more about the Nile red technique works.It is
1:37:31 > 1:37:35a method where you heard a fluorescent dye called Nile red to
1:37:35 > 1:37:41the sample and it binds to the surface of the tiny plastic
1:37:41 > 1:37:45particles -- wear you read. It makes them grow when you shine a blue
1:37:45 > 1:37:49light on them so you can observe the samples through an orange filter
1:37:49 > 1:37:54with blue light shining on it and you can see the particles glowing
1:37:54 > 1:37:58brightly so you can identify them and count them.Does it change... Go
1:37:58 > 1:38:07ahead.I was just going to say, the reason we developed this technique
1:38:07 > 1:38:11is to allow people to do studies exactly like this, to be able to do
1:38:11 > 1:38:17large-scale sampling, look at a very large numbers, and that way you can
1:38:17 > 1:38:21get a much clearer picture of what is going on in a situation like
1:38:21 > 1:38:25this.Does it change your behaviour when it comes to buying bottled
1:38:25 > 1:38:32water?Well, I would like to think I am quite environmentally focused
1:38:32 > 1:38:38anyway so I try very hard not to buy bottled water. But it is very clear
1:38:38 > 1:38:42that worldwide we have to do something about this problem because
1:38:42 > 1:38:48currently 480 billion bottles are being sold every year worldwide and
1:38:48 > 1:38:53it is more than one per person per week for the whole population of the
1:38:53 > 1:38:57planet and this is clearly insane. We need to think about this in an
1:38:57 > 1:39:01entirely different way.Would you agree with that?I do agree that we
1:39:01 > 1:39:07need to have a discussion as a society on how we use plastics and
1:39:07 > 1:39:12how we packaged food, consume foods and how we produce them. I agree
1:39:12 > 1:39:17that this is not a sustainable path forwards.Thank you very much, both
1:39:17 > 1:39:25of you.
1:39:25 > 1:39:30of you. Andrew Mayes, one of the pioneers of the Nile red technique.
1:39:30 > 1:39:35We spoke to water companies, this is a selection, Nestle told us it's
1:39:35 > 1:39:42internal testing began two years ago and they have not detected any above
1:39:42 > 1:39:45trace level, Coca-Cola said it has some of the most stringent quality
1:39:45 > 1:39:53standards and used a multistep filtration process. It acknowledged
1:39:53 > 1:39:57micro-plastics appear to be ubiquitous. Tenon said it could not
1:39:57 > 1:40:02comment on the study because, the methodology used is unclear, but it
1:40:02 > 1:40:10added its own bottles had food grade packaging. -- Danone.
1:40:11 > 1:40:14Big clinical trials are opening next year on both sides of the Atlantic
1:40:14 > 1:40:17to find out whether it's possible to produce individualised
1:40:17 > 1:40:19cancer vaccines to stop patients who've had cancer
1:40:19 > 1:40:20getting it again.
1:40:20 > 1:40:24A cancer vaccine is one of the holy grails of modern medical research.
1:40:24 > 1:40:26To talk about this, let me introduce you to Peter Johnson,
1:40:26 > 1:40:28Cancer Research UK's professor of medical oncology
1:40:28 > 1:40:29at the University of Southampton and director
1:40:29 > 1:40:34of the Francis Crick Institute Cancer Research Network.
1:40:34 > 1:40:36Dr Sophie Acton is a Cancer Research UK research fellow who
1:40:36 > 1:40:40specialises in immunology.
1:40:40 > 1:40:48And Adrian Webb who was diagnosed with skin cancer in 2012.
1:40:49 > 1:40:52He had treatment, but a year later was given the devastating news
1:40:52 > 1:40:54that his cancer had spread to his lungs, bowel,
1:40:54 > 1:40:59spine, liver and spleen.
1:40:59 > 1:41:01He immediately started on a course of targeted treatments, including
1:41:01 > 1:41:05immunotherapy drugs, and five years later, he's
1:41:05 > 1:41:11here to tell us all about it.
1:41:11 > 1:41:16I hope so!Starting with you, Peter Johnson. I want to talk about the
1:41:16 > 1:41:21clinical trials beginning next year, big clinical trials, there have been
1:41:21 > 1:41:25very small ones, into cancer vaccines. It is worth you explaining
1:41:25 > 1:41:28first of all how a vaccine works, we're all familiar with the measles
1:41:28 > 1:41:32vaccine, how does it work?We have thought for many years it should be
1:41:32 > 1:41:38possible to get the body's immune system to recognise what is
1:41:38 > 1:41:42different about cancer, they are different, the mutations, different
1:41:42 > 1:41:46to normal cells of the body, but it has been very difficult previously
1:41:46 > 1:41:51to get the immune system to lock onto them. In the last few years, we
1:41:51 > 1:41:54have had treatments switching the switches of the immune system so it
1:41:54 > 1:41:59cuts the brakes and allows it to recognise the cancer cells. Now we
1:41:59 > 1:42:03can do that, we want to steer it, instead of just cutting the brakes
1:42:03 > 1:42:15and letting it roll, we want to steer it against what is
1:42:15 > 1:42:17particularly abnormal in a particular person. The technology
1:42:17 > 1:42:20for sequencing the genes in a cancer cell is available so we can use that
1:42:20 > 1:42:23to work out what it is about the cancer that might be most visible to
1:42:23 > 1:42:25the immune system.You would take a biopsy of someone's cancer, sequence
1:42:25 > 1:42:33the genes, use it to make a potentially individualised vaccine.
1:42:33 > 1:42:38It is at the cutting edge. We have seen a few preliminary results in
1:42:38 > 1:42:40small numbers of patients and the exciting thing as it will now start
1:42:40 > 1:42:45going into much larger trials.Could you theoretically do that for all
1:42:45 > 1:42:51people who have had a cancer?At the moment, the cancer is responding
1:42:51 > 1:42:56best to the immune therapy are the ones with lots of mutations, lots of
1:42:56 > 1:43:01abnormalities. Those are the ones we will focus on, things like melanoma,
1:43:01 > 1:43:06lung cancer, bladder cancer, we know the way the cancer develops has
1:43:06 > 1:43:12caused damage to the DNA making the most visible.Two very small first
1:43:12 > 1:43:20aid Schumann trials have taken place using the newly created cancer
1:43:20 > 1:43:26vaccine -- human trials. But the results, would you say they are
1:43:26 > 1:43:31promising, 12 out of the 19 patients well cancer free up to two years
1:43:31 > 1:43:35later?Very exciting. Very preliminary and I do not want people
1:43:35 > 1:43:39watching to think this is going to be a routine treatment tomorrow,
1:43:39 > 1:43:45really important to emphasise, we need the evidence, but it is very
1:43:45 > 1:43:48exciting to see that using this technology, we can get the immune
1:43:48 > 1:43:53system to lock onto the cancers.We had a chat last week, you gave me a
1:43:53 > 1:43:57brilliant analogy of how cancer cells work and they work like a
1:43:57 > 1:44:00woman's placenta does when it stops the immune system attacking the
1:44:00 > 1:44:05foetus as it grows inside the uterus, fellow audience about that.
1:44:05 > 1:44:09One of the reasons cancers can escape the immune system, Sophie
1:44:09 > 1:44:13knows more about this, we have all sorts of defence mechanisms to stop
1:44:13 > 1:44:18the immune system attacking our body and particularly if you have to
1:44:18 > 1:44:23carry a baby, a baby is only half like you genetically.An alien thing
1:44:23 > 1:44:28inside you.It is a transplant you have to carry safely for nine
1:44:28 > 1:44:31months. The mechanisms in the placenta stopping the immune system
1:44:31 > 1:44:35getting to the baby are exactly the same as some programmes cancer can
1:44:35 > 1:44:40call on to evade the immune system themselves.Sophie, I will bring you
1:44:40 > 1:44:45in in a minute, I want to talk to a dream, skin cancer, one year later,
1:44:45 > 1:44:51it had spread to many of your organs -- I want to talk to Adrian. You
1:44:51 > 1:44:56were told you had 12 months to live, five years ago, what did they do to
1:44:56 > 1:45:02you?Immune therapy. I was fortunate enough at that time to be offered a
1:45:02 > 1:45:07trial drug programme. I was in Birmingham, I jumped at the
1:45:07 > 1:45:13opportunity, given only a potential 12 months to survive, and from then
1:45:13 > 1:45:19on, things moved on rather rapidly. Fortunately, my body, my immune
1:45:19 > 1:45:23system, it accepted the trial drug programme. I never really felt ill
1:45:23 > 1:45:26though we went through an instability where we got the balance
1:45:26 > 1:45:31right and the drug basically the volume of periodic drugs while body
1:45:31 > 1:45:37would feel comfortable with. And that was a 12 month programme. We
1:45:37 > 1:45:45changed that because I believed it was explained to me that melanomas
1:45:45 > 1:45:47are very aggressive, very intelligent cancer, they can
1:45:47 > 1:45:52potentially outthink the drugs. We went on then to an intravenous drug,
1:45:52 > 1:46:02and I had two successful different intravenous... Again, my body
1:46:02 > 1:46:08accepted it. Modern day chemotherapy type drugs, I accepted them quite
1:46:08 > 1:46:16well, one of the lucky ones.Your cancer has shrunk to what?If I dare
1:46:16 > 1:46:22say, a trace, if I dare say, today I am cancer free. It is an amazing...
1:46:22 > 1:46:27I have been two years drug-free, so this was all in the first three
1:46:27 > 1:46:33years. I have led a very active normal life in the drug periods and
1:46:33 > 1:46:41certainly now that, you know, I am very fortunate, through people
1:46:41 > 1:46:46around the table today, modern immune therapies, I was on early
1:46:46 > 1:46:49stages of the immune therapies, as Peter has explained, and things are
1:46:49 > 1:46:54changing.
1:46:54 > 1:47:00This immunotherapy is the latest frontier in terms of trying to treat
1:47:00 > 1:47:07cancer. Doctor Acton, in your work you are trying to figure out, under
1:47:07 > 1:47:12this label of immunotherapy, the tricks that cancer cells play so you
1:47:12 > 1:47:18can unlock those tricks and counter them with brand-new treatments.Yes,
1:47:18 > 1:47:23the treatments out there that patients are receiving now, as Peter
1:47:23 > 1:47:27described, to take the brakes off so cancer can trick your activated
1:47:27 > 1:47:31immune cells. Even if we had a great vaccine and get to the cancer cells,
1:47:31 > 1:47:35the Cancer can switch them off, so we want to stop them doing that.
1:47:35 > 1:47:38That's some of the immunotherapy out there now. But there are lots of
1:47:38 > 1:47:44other tricks and other healthy cells that cancer bring in and change
1:47:44 > 1:47:49their behaviour and we need to find new ways to design new drugs.There
1:47:49 > 1:47:53are several issues to unravel. Beginning with getting our own
1:47:53 > 1:47:57selves to recognise cancer cells and tumours.Yes, and it is difficult.
1:47:57 > 1:48:02Something like a vaccine against measles, as you suggest, it's a
1:48:02 > 1:48:07virus, foreign, definitely not a human cell and it's difficult for
1:48:07 > 1:48:12our immune system to see and attack. It knows it is foreign and can kill
1:48:12 > 1:48:18it, as it will kill infected cells. Cancer comes from the patient's on
1:48:18 > 1:48:21original healthy cells. While they are different, and we know they are
1:48:21 > 1:48:25misbehaving and we want to get rid of them, they look much more similar
1:48:25 > 1:48:33to healthy cells than a virus. So the breakthrough is there,
1:48:33 > 1:48:38sequencing the genomes to find the sequences and using them for the
1:48:38 > 1:48:41immune system to recognise and destroy those cells.The next issue
1:48:41 > 1:48:44is getting the cells inside the tumour to fight it.It's more
1:48:44 > 1:48:47competent than just getting activated immune cells, we need
1:48:47 > 1:48:52those cells to get into the tumours and find the cells and kill them.
1:48:52 > 1:48:59That much more complicated. A lot of tumours will going to active
1:48:59 > 1:49:08surrounding cells and form a kind of scar around them to protect
1:49:08 > 1:49:12themselves. These are other angles we can take to enhance
1:49:12 > 1:49:16immunotherapy.Why do healthy cells sometimes go wrong?There are a lot
1:49:16 > 1:49:19of environmental factors that we have heard about in the news and
1:49:19 > 1:49:24agencies like Cancer Research UK, giving us advice on how to avoid
1:49:24 > 1:49:30them and keep ourselves healthy. Fundamentally, the human body has
1:49:30 > 1:49:33trillions of cells, dividing all the time as we grow and age. Every time
1:49:33 > 1:49:38we defined, we have to make a perfect copy of our whole DNA. If
1:49:38 > 1:49:43you try to do that with trillions of sells for 90 years, there will
1:49:43 > 1:49:46sometimes be mistakes. Most of those mistakes are not harmful at all and
1:49:46 > 1:49:52the cells can cope or die. But sometimes those mistakes happen in
1:49:52 > 1:49:59key areas and that cell can become cancer.Cells going wrong is a
1:49:59 > 1:50:03natural consequence of us living so much longer?Partly, and partly some
1:50:03 > 1:50:09of the things we do to ourselves, like ultraviolet radiation in the
1:50:09 > 1:50:12sunshine, smoking cigarettes, being too heavy, and eating diets that are
1:50:12 > 1:50:16high in saturated fats, all these things increasing the damage and
1:50:16 > 1:50:20likelihood that some cells will go wrong. But quite a lot of cancer is
1:50:20 > 1:50:24just down to the play of chance in the genomes.A question I know not
1:50:24 > 1:50:33like, but I have to ask, we talked about the big clinical trial
1:50:33 > 1:50:37starting next year and to customise cancer vaccines, so how many years
1:50:37 > 1:50:41away from that potentially being on the market are we?It will take
1:50:41 > 1:50:44several years to get the trials and understand the results and see if it
1:50:44 > 1:50:49really works, but it moves incredibly fast, these checkpoint
1:50:49 > 1:50:52antibodies, cutting the brakes on the immune system, that we use quite
1:50:52 > 1:50:56widely now, were not even thought of ten years ago. So once you get the
1:50:56 > 1:51:00information and start to see the results of the trials, things can
1:51:00 > 1:51:03move very fast, but that's what we have to do.Thank you all very much
1:51:03 > 1:51:09for coming in.
1:51:10 > 1:51:16Some breaking news, a man called Neville horde has pleaded guilty at
1:51:16 > 1:51:22Bradford Crown Court for murdering a supermarket worker, stabbed to death
1:51:22 > 1:51:30outside and Aldi store just before Christmas. Jody Wilshere was stabbed
1:51:30 > 1:51:36to death in an Aldi store in Yorkshire just before Christmas.
1:51:37 > 1:51:39Have you ever worked a shift for free?
1:51:39 > 1:51:40Or even lots of shifts?
1:51:40 > 1:51:46With no job offer at the end of it all?
1:51:46 > 1:51:48A call to ban unpaid trial shifts is being
1:51:48 > 1:51:51debated in Parliament.
1:51:51 > 1:51:57We can speak to SNP MP Stuart McDonald who is raising the issue in
1:51:57 > 1:52:03Parliament. Daniel is a waiter who has done on page trials shift. And
1:52:03 > 1:52:07on the phone we have James, not his real name, who works in catering and
1:52:07 > 1:52:12has also done on page shifts and has recruited others to do them. James,
1:52:12 > 1:52:16why are you doing these unpaid shifts?You do them when you apply
1:52:16 > 1:52:24for a job. If you want to go for the job and get the job to pay your
1:52:24 > 1:52:30bills etc. On the other side, we are told as managers within the catering
1:52:30 > 1:52:34industry to recruit staff and go through the trial process. If you
1:52:34 > 1:52:39don't follow that then you could end up in disciplinary and stuff like
1:52:39 > 1:52:42that, because you haven't followed company procedure.How often do you
1:52:42 > 1:52:47give people a job at the end of an on page trials shift?It depends. We
1:52:47 > 1:52:52recruit kitchen porters, chefs, generally if you get a lot of
1:52:52 > 1:52:56applicants you will pick the best for the job. With a kitchen porter,
1:52:56 > 1:53:03you could get six or seven people applying.Why can't you just give
1:53:03 > 1:53:07somebody a job through the conventional process of looking at
1:53:07 > 1:53:13their CV and interviewing them? Sometimes it's a skill set. We want
1:53:13 > 1:53:16to make sure they fit in with a team, have the right enthusiasm and
1:53:16 > 1:53:20stuff like that. That's what we are told by the hate charred apartment,
1:53:20 > 1:53:27we need to look at that and make sure they fit in. -- by the HR
1:53:27 > 1:53:30department. We need to make sure they fit in and can do the job.Do
1:53:30 > 1:53:35you think it is fair?I don't. I'm a very unions person. I think it is
1:53:35 > 1:53:43unfair. I think people should be paid for what they do.Daniel, you
1:53:43 > 1:53:49had three trial shifts for jobs in the past. All of them unpaid. Did
1:53:49 > 1:53:54you get a job at the end of any of them?The third and final trials
1:53:54 > 1:53:59shift I went to, I was given the job, thank goodness. I was very
1:53:59 > 1:54:02relieved to be given a job as the previous trial shifts I had done
1:54:02 > 1:54:08were six hours unpaid, and they said they would get back to me within a
1:54:08 > 1:54:11week but I never heard from them again.Could that be you are not the
1:54:11 > 1:54:15right person for the job, or do you think they were taking the Mick?I
1:54:15 > 1:54:22think they were taking the Mick. Of the two trial shifts I never heard
1:54:22 > 1:54:27anything again, I had done a face-to-face interview, so they knew
1:54:27 > 1:54:31my personality. I don't think they had a reason not to get back to me.
1:54:31 > 1:54:36Did you try to contact them and ask what was going on?I did. Two of
1:54:36 > 1:54:40them I tried to ask what was going on and I was met with, sorry, you're
1:54:40 > 1:54:43not the right candidate for the role. There was no further
1:54:43 > 1:54:47explanation and they put the phone down on me.How did you feel about
1:54:47 > 1:54:55that?I was gutted. I'd worked six-hour shifts with the promise, if
1:54:55 > 1:54:58we think you are the right candidate and you do well on the shift, you
1:54:58 > 1:55:02will almost certainly get the job, and to have it taken away from you
1:55:02 > 1:55:04at the end when you have slaved in the restaurant, and they often put
1:55:04 > 1:55:09you on the busiest time of the week, so I was on a Saturday night,
1:55:09 > 1:55:13working six hours with the promise of a job, but it wasn't to be.
1:55:13 > 1:55:17Stuart McDonald, SNP MP. There is nothing illegal about asking a
1:55:17 > 1:55:21worker to do a voluntary trials shift, is there?As the law stands
1:55:21 > 1:55:25at the minute, I think it needs to be fixed. In 20 years of the
1:55:25 > 1:55:30national minimum wage act, there hasn't been a single place, a single
1:55:30 > 1:55:36tribunal, fine, ticking off, naming and shaming, nothing. In 20 years of
1:55:36 > 1:55:40the act, against the use of an unpaid trials shift. My bill
1:55:40 > 1:55:44proposes to amend the national minimum wage act to make it crystal
1:55:44 > 1:55:47clear that the cases your callers have explained this morning will be
1:55:47 > 1:55:52outlawed.Smaller businesses in particular rely on these kinds of
1:55:52 > 1:55:56things as part of a recruitment process. They absolutely have to get
1:55:56 > 1:55:59the right personality in a small business.They absolutely do, and
1:55:59 > 1:56:03this isn't about banning the practice of trialling people. Nobody
1:56:03 > 1:56:08would wish to do that. This is about unpaid trial shifts and the
1:56:08 > 1:56:11miserable, cynical exploitation that almost always seems to accompany
1:56:11 > 1:56:17them. It's aggravated by the fact your first call this morning can't
1:56:17 > 1:56:21even use his own name, so ashamed people in the industry of them,
1:56:21 > 1:56:26because he is forced to because of his bosses. I would say to
1:56:26 > 1:56:30businesses, employment law is currently so heavily stacked in
1:56:30 > 1:56:34favour of the ploy, why not put people on probation periods, as is
1:56:34 > 1:56:38normal in almost every other mainstream work? The people who
1:56:38 > 1:56:42suffer here are the lowest paid, and people who often don't know their
1:56:42 > 1:56:46rights in order to stand up for them. My bill brings in the
1:56:46 > 1:56:49protections to make sure people can't be exploited. That where they
1:56:49 > 1:56:53are offered a trial they are paid at least the minimum weight. I think
1:56:53 > 1:56:58that is good for business.Let me read a message, a Tweet, I have
1:56:58 > 1:57:03worked in bars before and been management before. I have been told
1:57:03 > 1:57:07by higher up people to give trials shift to people with not a chance of
1:57:07 > 1:57:10getting a job, just because it was an understaffed weekend.I hear that
1:57:10 > 1:57:14a lot. And can you think of a more cynical practice, and can you
1:57:14 > 1:57:19imagine if that was your first introduction to the world of work?
1:57:19 > 1:57:23Often people covering sicknesses or holidays of other staff members and
1:57:23 > 1:57:26being strung along. Often working long hours, without a job to give
1:57:26 > 1:57:31them at the end of it. It's time for parliament to put an end to it,
1:57:31 > 1:57:35that's what my bill does and I hope MPs will back it tomorrow.James, do
1:57:35 > 1:57:41you agree that trials shift is fine, but paid a person. Would you like to
1:57:41 > 1:57:44see that in law?Yes, I would. I think it's fair because they are
1:57:44 > 1:57:52giving up their time coming in. I think it's all about fairness. In my
1:57:52 > 1:57:5625 years of working in the catering industry, just the way they treat
1:57:56 > 1:58:02lower paid staff is quite bad. I believe this is another thing they
1:58:02 > 1:58:06use, being told, bring people in on busy shifts when you have lots of
1:58:06 > 1:58:10functions going on in your hotel. Bring in people so you don't have to
1:58:10 > 1:58:17pay that on your Labour budget. Thank you, James. Thank you to
1:58:17 > 1:58:20Daniel, and continued success with your job. And thank you to Stuart
1:58:20 > 1:58:24McDonald as well. Thank you for your company today. Have a good day, we
1:58:24 > 1:58:26will be back tomorrow at 9am. Thank