21/03/2018

0:00:08 > 0:00:15Hello. Welcome to the programme.

0:00:19 > 0:00:25After years of a 1% pay cap, the government is expected to announce a

0:00:25 > 0:00:27significant pay increase for NHS staff in England, apart from

0:00:27 > 0:00:33doctors.Staff have got to be addressed, vacancies have to be

0:00:33 > 0:00:37addressed. The issue of using agency staff has to be addressed. In that

0:00:37 > 0:00:43context it is significant that that pay award has been made.

0:00:43 > 0:00:48We get reaction from NHS workers. Plus, there has been a huge rise in

0:00:48 > 0:00:54the number of women using donated eggs to get pregnant.You get

0:00:54 > 0:00:57married and then your friends have kids and it's just not happening to

0:00:57 > 0:01:01you. It suddenly becomes the most important thing in your life, the

0:01:01 > 0:01:07only thing that you can focus on. And what next for the future of ant

0:01:07 > 0:01:13and tech? We look at what impact Ant McPartlin's arrest for drink-driving

0:01:13 > 0:01:18will have on the pair? And how lives are ruined by addiction to

0:01:18 > 0:01:28painkillers. Hello and welcome to the programme.

0:01:28 > 0:01:29We're live until 11.

0:01:29 > 0:01:32Throughout the morning we'll bring you the latest breaking news

0:01:32 > 0:01:34and developing stories and - as always - really

0:01:34 > 0:01:35keen to hear from you.

0:01:35 > 0:01:38A litle later we'll be talking to some of you who've

0:01:38 > 0:01:41deleted your Facebook account in protest at the company's data

0:01:41 > 0:01:43and privacy policies.

0:01:43 > 0:01:44If you've done it, do get in touch.

0:01:44 > 0:01:47If you don't want to message us on Facebook, you can do

0:01:47 > 0:01:49so a number of other ways.

0:01:49 > 0:01:50Use the hashtag Victoria live.

0:01:50 > 0:01:56And if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

0:01:56 > 0:01:59Our top story today - the government is poised to announce

0:01:59 > 0:02:01a significant pay rise for almost all NHS staff

0:02:01 > 0:02:02in England, apart from doctors.

0:02:02 > 0:02:05It's thought that around a million health workers will receive

0:02:05 > 0:02:08an average increase of 6% over three years, in a move which could cost

0:02:08 > 0:02:14the Treasury £4 billion.

0:02:14 > 0:02:20We can speak now to Catherine Burn 's, health correspondent. I know we

0:02:20 > 0:02:23don't have all of the details on this so far, but what details do we

0:02:23 > 0:02:31have?It seems to be a six to 6.5% increase over three years. That is

0:02:31 > 0:02:35the headline. The reality will be quite different. The average is

0:02:35 > 0:02:40going to be spread out. The biggest increase will ghost -- increases

0:02:40 > 0:02:45will go to the poorest paid people, porters, catering staff, cleaners.

0:02:45 > 0:02:50They could have an increase of 29% over three years. It is quite a big

0:02:50 > 0:02:57deal and quite a decisive end to pay caps. Since 2010, there have been

0:02:57 > 0:03:03pay freezes and pay cap Macs 1%. This is a big break.Porters could

0:03:03 > 0:03:12go from £15,000 to £19,000, a huge jump?It is. But the Royal College

0:03:12 > 0:03:16of Nursing is say that if you take in real terms and count in

0:03:16 > 0:03:20inflation, they have essentially had a pay cut 14%. Even though people

0:03:20 > 0:03:24will welcome this, they will not necessarily be jumping for joy.We

0:03:24 > 0:03:30don't know if it will be accepted? The unions are meeting today at 11.

0:03:30 > 0:03:33We are expecting them to sign off on this. There will be a lot of

0:03:33 > 0:03:38last-minute haggling. The interesting thing to look out for

0:03:38 > 0:03:44will be what sort of strings there are attached to this.

0:03:45 > 0:03:49are attached to this. NHS workers lost a day's pay over this. Sickness

0:03:49 > 0:03:54levels in the NHS may be one thing. There has been talk of increments,

0:03:54 > 0:03:59when NHS workers sort of get on-the-job pay rises. There has been

0:03:59 > 0:04:03talk of the more -- being more tightly controlled. It will be

0:04:03 > 0:04:09interesting to see what happens. Thank you. More on that later in the

0:04:09 > 0:04:12programme. If you do work for the NHS, get in touch. Would you accept

0:04:12 > 0:04:15this, would you support this?

0:04:15 > 0:04:17Joanna Gosling is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

0:04:17 > 0:04:19of the rest of the day's news.

0:04:19 > 0:04:21Good morning.

0:04:21 > 0:04:24Facebook will be questioned by politicians in Washington today,

0:04:24 > 0:04:26as the company comes under growing pressure to explain how data

0:04:26 > 0:04:30from 50 million accounts was used by a British company

0:04:30 > 0:04:32during the US presidential election.

0:04:32 > 0:04:35It's alleged that Cambridge Analytica used the data to target

0:04:35 > 0:04:38voters and influence the election outcome.

0:04:38 > 0:04:42That company's chief executive, Alexander Nix, has been suspended.

0:04:42 > 0:04:43Both firms deny any wrongdoing.

0:04:43 > 0:04:48Simon Jones reports.

0:04:48 > 0:04:51Facebook held a crisis meeting today...

0:04:51 > 0:04:57An international row about Facebook data making headlines

0:04:57 > 0:05:00in the States and in London, home to the consultancy,

0:05:00 > 0:05:01Cambridge Analytica.

0:05:01 > 0:05:03That company is accused of using the personal data

0:05:03 > 0:05:06of 50 million Facebook users to send highly targeted messages during

0:05:06 > 0:05:11the 2016 US election campaign.

0:05:11 > 0:05:13Secret filming by Channel 4 News shows Cambridge Analytica's boss,

0:05:13 > 0:05:15Alexander Nix, boasting about the role it played

0:05:15 > 0:05:22in Donald Trump's victory.

0:05:34 > 0:05:36The company has denied the Facebook information

0:05:36 > 0:05:39was used for this purpose.

0:05:39 > 0:05:42It said Mr Nix's comments do to not represent the values of the firm.

0:05:42 > 0:05:43He has been suspended.

0:05:43 > 0:05:49The Cambridge academic who created the app

0:05:49 > 0:05:51from which the data was harvested, has

0:05:51 > 0:05:55been banned from Facebook but says the only thing he did wrong was not

0:05:55 > 0:05:55to ask enough questions.

0:05:55 > 0:05:59My view is that I have been used as a scapegoat by Facebook

0:05:59 > 0:06:02and Cambridge Analytica.

0:06:02 > 0:06:06We thought we were acting perfectly appropriately, we thought we were

0:06:06 > 0:06:07doing something really normal.

0:06:07 > 0:06:10Facebook says it did break rules by donating data to third parties

0:06:10 > 0:06:18and says it has been deceived by Cambridge Analytica.

0:06:19 > 0:06:24Facebook denies it has done anything wrong but there is growing pressure

0:06:24 > 0:06:29from politicians in the US and the UK for its boss, Mark Zuckerberg, to

0:06:29 > 0:06:33break his silence about how his customers' information is protected.

0:06:33 > 0:06:36The Royal Air Force has confirmed that a member of its Red Arrows

0:06:36 > 0:06:39aerobatic team has died in a crash in North Wales.

0:06:39 > 0:06:42The engineer was killed when a Hawk jet came down near the RAF Valley

0:06:42 > 0:06:43base on Anglesey yesterday.

0:06:43 > 0:06:45The pilot, who is injured and receiving medical

0:06:45 > 0:06:46care, managed to eject.

0:06:46 > 0:06:49The jet came down shortly after taking off on a routine flight.

0:06:49 > 0:06:53There are no details about the cause of the crash.

0:06:53 > 0:06:56The mother of a two-year-old girl who died after she was pulled

0:06:56 > 0:06:59from a car found in a river, has said she will feel guilt

0:06:59 > 0:07:01for the rest of her life.

0:07:01 > 0:07:05Kiara Moore was found in the River Teifi in Cardigan,

0:07:05 > 0:07:09Ceredigion, after she had been left in the car while it was parked

0:07:09 > 0:07:12on a slipway on Monday.

0:07:12 > 0:07:15Her father said when the driver returned, the car was missing

0:07:15 > 0:07:16and initially feared stolen.

0:07:16 > 0:07:24But after a large police search the car was found in the water.

0:07:25 > 0:07:27A man has been injured after a parcel bomb exploded

0:07:27 > 0:07:30in the Texan city of Austin - the latest in a series

0:07:30 > 0:07:31of similar attacks.

0:07:31 > 0:07:33Five devices have detonated so far this month,

0:07:33 > 0:07:34which have killed two people.

0:07:34 > 0:07:37A sixth parcel bomb was intercepted before it exploded.

0:07:37 > 0:07:42The FBI now believes the attacks are the work of a serial bomber.

0:07:42 > 0:07:45President Trump is reported to have ignored warnings from his national

0:07:45 > 0:07:46security advisers not to congratulate Vladimir Putin

0:07:46 > 0:07:47on his re-election.

0:07:47 > 0:07:50The Washington Post is reporting that Mr Trump went

0:07:50 > 0:07:52against his advisers, and was even given a briefing note

0:07:52 > 0:08:00with the words "Do Not Congratulate" in capital letters.

0:08:02 > 0:08:06The amount of plastic in the ocean could trouble within a decade unless

0:08:06 > 0:08:13action is taken. A report from the UK government says plastics is just

0:08:13 > 0:08:18one issue facing the world's sees along with rising sea levels. It

0:08:18 > 0:08:23says much more knowledge is needed about the ocean. The government

0:08:23 > 0:08:28could face an additional bill of £300 million after on the claim

0:08:28 > 0:08:36benefit claims. The main sickness and that was predicted to cause the

0:08:36 > 0:08:40government £5 million. The National Audit Office says the true price

0:08:40 > 0:08:45could be more. Ministers say they are committed to paying everybody by

0:08:45 > 0:08:51April 20 19. Vulnerable mental health patients are being let down

0:08:51 > 0:08:54because of serious failings in their treatment, the Parliamentary and

0:08:54 > 0:08:58health service ombudsman has said. Issues with some mental health trust

0:08:58 > 0:09:03could lead to some patients suffering harm. It also found mental

0:09:03 > 0:09:07health care staff can like the skills and training they need to do

0:09:07 > 0:09:12their job properly. The government is expanding service provision.

0:09:12 > 0:09:15A group of MPs is warning of government complacency when it

0:09:15 > 0:09:17comes to security co-operation with the EU after Brexit.

0:09:17 > 0:09:19The all-party Home Affairs Committee says the transition period,

0:09:19 > 0:09:22which has recently been agreed, may need to be extended if public

0:09:22 > 0:09:23safety is not to be compromised.

0:09:23 > 0:09:27They say it's down to the complexity of issues such as data sharing,

0:09:27 > 0:09:30the European Arrest Warrant and Europol membership.

0:09:30 > 0:09:32Mark Easton reports.

0:09:32 > 0:09:35Membership of the EU means the UK enjoys access

0:09:35 > 0:09:37to valuable police data bases, the European Arrest Warrant scheme

0:09:37 > 0:09:40and the services of Europol.

0:09:40 > 0:09:43The government says it is optimistic about negotiating just as good

0:09:43 > 0:09:48a deal for when we leave, but after taking evidence

0:09:48 > 0:09:54from people from the National Crime Agency and other organisations

0:09:54 > 0:09:57which rely on EU security corporation, an all-party committee

0:09:57 > 0:09:59of MPs says it does not share that optimism.

0:09:59 > 0:10:02We are worried that a security treaty will not be signed

0:10:02 > 0:10:05and implemented in time for when the transition period ends

0:10:05 > 0:10:08and that could leave us without proper extradition

0:10:08 > 0:10:12arrangements if people flee justice and flee from crimes,

0:10:12 > 0:10:19but also without access to criminal data that the police properly need.

0:10:19 > 0:10:21Access to EU-wide data systems and the resources of Europol depend

0:10:21 > 0:10:28on legal obligations underpinned by the European Court of Justice.

0:10:28 > 0:10:30The UK has said being outside the European courts jurisdiction

0:10:30 > 0:10:34is a red line, but the MPs say the government should not be too

0:10:34 > 0:10:37rigid on such matters if it wants to get a good deal.

0:10:37 > 0:10:40And they reckon the complex technical and legal issues mean both

0:10:40 > 0:10:43sides need to be ready to extend the two-year transition

0:10:43 > 0:10:46before Brexit kicks in.

0:10:46 > 0:10:48Accusing the government of complacency, the committee warns

0:10:48 > 0:10:50the UK could be sleepwalking into a security crisis.

0:10:50 > 0:10:56Mark Easton, BBC News.

0:10:56 > 0:10:59Talk about springing a leak - these pictures are of a water main

0:10:59 > 0:11:05break in University City near San Diego yesterday.

0:11:05 > 0:11:09Local reports said a contractor hit a six-inch diameter blow-off valve

0:11:09 > 0:11:16connected to a water main causing the leak which saw water shoot up

0:11:16 > 0:11:17above the Californian highway.

0:11:17 > 0:11:19The break shut down the road for roughly 30 minutes,

0:11:19 > 0:11:23while crews worked to shut off the water.

0:11:23 > 0:11:25It's been a 25-year wait, but later today the first polar bear

0:11:25 > 0:11:30cub born in the UK for over two decades will make his public debut.

0:11:30 > 0:11:33Born in December, the bear is still to be named as keepers

0:11:33 > 0:11:36try to determine its sex.

0:11:36 > 0:11:40The cub has spent the last four months with it's mum Victoria

0:11:40 > 0:11:41in the maternity den at the Highland Wildlife

0:11:41 > 0:11:44Park in Scotland.

0:11:44 > 0:11:51That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30.

0:11:51 > 0:11:56Thank you, joiner. Let me bring you this news that we are getting in

0:11:56 > 0:12:01from Texas. Reports saying that the suspect in a series of bombings in

0:12:01 > 0:12:06the state capital of Austin has died. You can see pictures coming in

0:12:06 > 0:12:10from Austin. Those are live pictures. We understand a local

0:12:10 > 0:12:14television station is saying the suspect detonated a device while

0:12:14 > 0:12:20being pursued by police, and was killed. Earlier the FBI said it

0:12:20 > 0:12:23believed six separate attacks in Texas were the result of a serial

0:12:23 > 0:12:29bomber. A man being pursued by police as being killed. We will keep

0:12:29 > 0:12:36you with any news.

0:12:36 > 0:12:39This morning - is there enough help for people addicted

0:12:39 > 0:12:42to prescription painkillers?

0:12:42 > 0:12:45In the next few minutes we will be talking to a couple of people about

0:12:45 > 0:12:48the wrong painkiller addiction is. We will get a sense of what that is

0:12:48 > 0:12:52like. Also people who work at addiction clinics to talk about the

0:12:52 > 0:12:56sort of people they are treating and the stories they are hearing. One

0:12:56 > 0:13:00former councillor has told the BBC the NHS is creating drug addicts. Do

0:13:00 > 0:13:04you agree with that? We want your experiences this morning if you are

0:13:04 > 0:13:12addicted to these painkillers. To get in touch. If you text, you will

0:13:12 > 0:13:16be charged at the standard network rate. Mohsin sport.

0:13:16 > 0:13:23We can speak to John Motson. We need to talk about the World Cup. Big

0:13:23 > 0:13:29question, who is the England number one?That is central, really, with

0:13:29 > 0:13:34those World Cup places, the battle for them, Harding up. Particularly

0:13:34 > 0:13:40in goal. Nick Pope worked as a milkman nine years ago. Now he is

0:13:40 > 0:13:44battling out for the number one spot in the England squad. It is far from

0:13:44 > 0:13:48nailed down heading into those friendlies. We are taking him out

0:13:48 > 0:13:52because his story is fantastic. Having been released at 16, he had

0:13:52 > 0:13:56spells outside the football league before joining Burnley. He only got

0:13:56 > 0:14:00his chance because of injury to Tom Heaton. Now he could make his

0:14:00 > 0:14:03international debut in the forthcoming friendlies with the

0:14:03 > 0:14:07Netherlands and Italy. If you are questioning if he is the right pick

0:14:07 > 0:14:11for the job, he says he is a safe pair of hands having never dropped a

0:14:11 > 0:14:18bottle on his milk round. No, I was Kleenex Mac it was a

0:14:18 > 0:14:27float, electric.What is the best thing about England goalkeeper?Can

0:14:27 > 0:14:32I call myself that if I haven't played? I think it is just the

0:14:32 > 0:14:40honour, really. Obviously the moment from Thursday. Getting around people

0:14:40 > 0:14:43and been there from the start, people have travelled the journey

0:14:43 > 0:14:47with them -- with me. To share that with them is something I will never

0:14:47 > 0:14:51forget. It will be a great story of the does

0:14:51 > 0:14:55get selected. Fantastic to hear how much it means to represent his

0:14:55 > 0:14:59country. From internationals to the women's Champions League, which

0:14:59 > 0:15:03continues tonight. Manchester City in Chelsea in action. City are at

0:15:03 > 0:15:09home to their Swedish opponents. In the WSL this season they are second

0:15:09 > 0:15:12behind Chelsea, who play Montpellier. If both teams progress,

0:15:12 > 0:15:16it will be the first time in the competition's history that two

0:15:16 > 0:15:23British clubs have reached the semifinals.

0:15:23 > 0:15:28We don't our homework on, we know they are a good team and have

0:15:28 > 0:15:31dominated Swedish football so it will be a big game with tough

0:15:31 > 0:15:36opponents. Nice to have a home game, we're been awake for about ten games

0:15:36 > 0:15:41and it has been hard but we have great support at home and we love

0:15:41 > 0:15:47having them at home. Excited.One of several big games coming up in a

0:15:47 > 0:15:51busy end of the week.And a huge cricket match in Zimbabwe at the

0:15:51 > 0:15:54moment which could mean Scotland reached the World Cup?They are

0:15:54 > 0:15:59playing the West Indies with a place at the World Cup up for grabs next

0:15:59 > 0:16:04year. The huge match for Scotland. They make the best start, taking the

0:16:04 > 0:16:09key wicket of Chris Gayle with the very first ball of the day and he

0:16:09 > 0:16:18then removed Shai Hope to leave the West Indies at 2-2 but they are now

0:16:18 > 0:16:2499-2 after 24 overs. And we were talking about England goalkeepers at

0:16:24 > 0:16:28the World Cup, if you're hoping to be selected you will want to avoid

0:16:28 > 0:16:34something like this happening. This was a video on social media, some

0:16:34 > 0:16:41street football in Argentina. Superb skill. A little unfair on the

0:16:41 > 0:16:46goalkeeper! There is no coming back from that. We know that penalties

0:16:46 > 0:16:51might feature in the World Cup but I would be very impressed if anybody

0:16:51 > 0:16:57tries that! Amazing!Thank you, John.

0:16:58 > 0:17:01This morning - is there enough help for people addicted

0:17:01 > 0:17:04to prescription painkillers?

0:17:04 > 0:17:08Those who have been addicted to them have told this programme they have

0:17:08 > 0:17:15been failed at every step.

0:17:19 > 0:17:21Nearly 24 million painkillers, like Tramadol and morphine,

0:17:21 > 0:17:24were prescribed last year - that's about 2,700 packs an hour.

0:17:24 > 0:17:27We know that Ant McPartlin is taking a break from TV to enter

0:17:27 > 0:17:28rehab for a second time.

0:17:28 > 0:17:30Last year he revealed his addiction to prescription drugs

0:17:30 > 0:17:32following a routine knee operation.

0:17:32 > 0:17:35Later on in the programme, we'll look at what this could mean

0:17:35 > 0:17:41for the future of Ant and Dec - two of the biggest names in TV.

0:17:41 > 0:17:43But first, we want to look at the devastating impact addiction

0:17:43 > 0:17:46to prescription drugs can have and we want to hear from you too.

0:17:46 > 0:17:52Do get in touch with your experiences.

0:17:52 > 0:17:55We can talk now to Nicki Hari, who says her GP made an addict

0:17:55 > 0:17:58of her in prescribing them, but then had no idea how

0:17:58 > 0:18:02to help her dependency, which ended up lasting 25 years,

0:18:02 > 0:18:05Antony Corrigan was addicted to Tramadol, and says he had

0:18:05 > 0:18:10to fight his GP to get off the drug.

0:18:10 > 0:18:14Eytan Alexander, who runs Ukat, a private addiction centre that has

0:18:14 > 0:18:18referrals from NHS patients in need, to rehab for painkiller dependency.

0:18:18 > 0:18:20And Cathy Stannard joins us from Bristol,

0:18:20 > 0:18:23and is a pain consultant.

0:18:23 > 0:18:25She's developing a model of painkiller support services

0:18:25 > 0:18:29for NHS Gloucestershire.

0:18:29 > 0:18:37Thank you for joining us. I want to start with you, Nicki. You were very

0:18:37 > 0:18:43young when you put on in strong painkillers, just 14.I was 14 I had

0:18:43 > 0:18:48my first operation and I was given paracetamol and Nurofen also it was

0:18:48 > 0:18:54not until I was 18 that I was put on very strong painkillers after having

0:18:54 > 0:19:02my appendix out.What were you put on?Codeine, De Goede Mull, tramadol

0:19:02 > 0:19:10and at the time I realised that I actually really liked the feeling.

0:19:10 > 0:19:15It was like being on a pink fluffy cloud, all my worries and stresses

0:19:15 > 0:19:22went away. I felt relaxed about everything. The pain I thought I had

0:19:22 > 0:19:30disappeared. That was when it started. It did not continue

0:19:30 > 0:19:34solidly...I was going to ask, presumably you came off those drugs

0:19:34 > 0:19:39after the operation?I came off them out was not until I got into rehab

0:19:39 > 0:19:47and I looked at my journey from start to finish, well, not finish,

0:19:47 > 0:19:50because I have not finished it yet, but I realised I could see a pattern

0:19:50 > 0:19:59forming on how I loved having the feeling of prescription painkillers.

0:19:59 > 0:20:04It was very easy to manipulate the system. At the time the GPs were

0:20:04 > 0:20:07giving them out quite freely. I would say that I was in a lot of

0:20:07 > 0:20:14pain and be given a tramadol repeat prescription for six months so I did

0:20:14 > 0:20:19not even had to go to the GP. It doesn't take very long to become

0:20:19 > 0:20:27addicted, seven to ten days and you're hooked.I can see as you are

0:20:27 > 0:20:31speaking that Anthony is nodding. Was that your experience as well?

0:20:31 > 0:20:38Very much so, my story is very similar. I went to the doctor with

0:20:38 > 0:20:43severe pain in my back, I found myself not able to sit, standing up

0:20:43 > 0:20:48a lot and walking around so I went to the doctors and pretty much

0:20:48 > 0:20:55immediately they offered me tramadol and they thought I might have

0:20:55 > 0:20:59sciatica so they offered me another painkiller that I took. They told me

0:20:59 > 0:21:05to take up to 24 tablets per day, nothing at all. I came home and took

0:21:05 > 0:21:12the first dose and I was completely out of it. I was zombified. My

0:21:12 > 0:21:16partner was concerned and did not want me to continue but I put my

0:21:16 > 0:21:19trust in the doctor that this was what I needed and it was addressing

0:21:19 > 0:21:24a health need. I did not see it as a problem.How long were you on those

0:21:24 > 0:21:33drugs?In total about two and a half years. It started gradually, they

0:21:33 > 0:21:39said to take two tramadol every four hours, eight tablets a day and I was

0:21:39 > 0:21:47also taking gabapentin, that was four tablets a day. I was not able

0:21:47 > 0:21:54to function well. I was out of it, it caused me problems at work, I was

0:21:54 > 0:22:00in temporary work at the time so I was phoning in sick because I could

0:22:00 > 0:22:04not tolerate the pills and I ended up losing jobs because of it for so

0:22:04 > 0:22:09I felt the doctor was too ready to give it to me without talking about

0:22:09 > 0:22:15what might happen. He didn't even offer to send me for tests to see

0:22:15 > 0:22:19what the problem with my back would be, it was just, take these, these

0:22:19 > 0:22:24can help. I put my trust in my doctor to help me and I now have

0:22:24 > 0:22:28this feeling of absolute ignorance that I did not go home and research

0:22:28 > 0:22:34this result but why would I? I'm not the trained person here.I want to

0:22:34 > 0:22:41bring in Eytan, you looked surprised at the second drug he had been

0:22:41 > 0:22:48given?We see a whole host of drugs. The mainstream drugs but something

0:22:48 > 0:22:58like gabapentin, sleeping drug, any form of prescription drug not taken

0:22:58 > 0:23:03as prescribed can have an addictive process to it was up you form a

0:23:03 > 0:23:11chemical dependence on it. It is the same thing them if you are a heroine

0:23:11 > 0:23:16user, if you stop taking it, you go into withdrawal and the same with

0:23:16 > 0:23:20description drugs, you start feeling unwell and you think you need to

0:23:20 > 0:23:29take more. It is a self fulfilling prophecy.

0:23:29 > 0:23:34prophecy. Patients are unaware of what is actually happening, they

0:23:34 > 0:23:40just go and take it themselves.I was taking the medication purely as

0:23:40 > 0:23:46prescribed by Mike GP, I was not abusing the medication or increasing

0:23:46 > 0:23:54the dose is, I was taking what I was advised to take.OK.Again, I

0:23:54 > 0:24:02started off like that and like Eytan said, the pain went away but I felt

0:24:02 > 0:24:07the GPs were not actually dealing with the pain.I agree.I think

0:24:07 > 0:24:12there should be more pain management clinics, you should be given options

0:24:12 > 0:24:16of alternative medicines as opposed to prescribing such addictive

0:24:16 > 0:24:23painkillers to patients.I want to bring in Cathy. A lot of accusations

0:24:23 > 0:24:28being made about GPs giving out these kinds of drugs too readily. Do

0:24:28 > 0:24:33you think it is their criticism?I think it is difficult that if you

0:24:33 > 0:24:36are a health care professional with somebody in front of you who has

0:24:36 > 0:24:46pain, and the accounts of Anthony and Nicki are really tough, and it

0:24:46 > 0:24:50is tough to not give somebody when -- give something when somebody is

0:24:50 > 0:24:54in pain is that it is a complex interaction and the other thing it

0:24:54 > 0:25:00is there to say, what has changed is our knowledge and understanding of

0:25:00 > 0:25:03how these tablets work. No doubt that a few years ago we thought they

0:25:03 > 0:25:08were probably the best thing to give people with severe pain and it is

0:25:08 > 0:25:12only now we are better able to understand evidence and so on that

0:25:12 > 0:25:17we realise in the long term they are not the best thing. We all have to

0:25:17 > 0:25:19put up our hands and said we'd started patients on things that

0:25:19 > 0:25:25maybe now we would not do. I think two things that came clearly out of

0:25:25 > 0:25:33those stories, one from Nicki was that very soon she found that the

0:25:33 > 0:25:38medicines helped her with getting through life, made her feel floaty

0:25:38 > 0:25:43like being on a cloud, that is one of the things that keeps people

0:25:43 > 0:25:48using them. And both said the crucial thing to watch out for, when

0:25:48 > 0:25:54you stop taking them you feel worse so you continue to take them to stop

0:25:54 > 0:25:57feeling worse and that is the marker of when you have to have a

0:25:57 > 0:26:00conversation with your health care professional about how to support

0:26:00 > 0:26:05you in coming off.Let me read you some of the messages we are getting

0:26:05 > 0:26:12about this. A text from cat saying, I've been taking large quantities of

0:26:12 > 0:26:15morphine for over 17 years and I'm dependent on them, taking them for

0:26:15 > 0:26:21chronic pain in the spine after a hit and run. Ruth says she was

0:26:21 > 0:26:23predicted for years because of constant headaches and got to the

0:26:23 > 0:26:28point where she could not function without them. No investigations were

0:26:28 > 0:26:32carried out for 15 years until an MRI scan for a different issue found

0:26:32 > 0:26:36an aneurysm on the brain. I had to wean myself off the painkillers

0:26:36 > 0:26:42slowly and they controlled my life. Did it change the person you were?

0:26:42 > 0:26:46Completely, I did not see it but my friends and family did. I became

0:26:46 > 0:26:54vacant, absent from situations, family get-togethers I was not there

0:26:54 > 0:26:58for events at my children's school force up you literally did not go

0:26:58 > 0:27:05ought you were there and had no recollection? I didn't go, I had no

0:27:05 > 0:27:09motivation in life. Everything was just numb. It is hard to describe

0:27:09 > 0:27:19but you're in a cloud, a bubble and you can't find a way out. When you

0:27:19 > 0:27:23stop taking them, you realise you're going into severe withdrawal the

0:27:23 > 0:27:30same way a heroin addict would for submitting cramps, night sweats,

0:27:30 > 0:27:32shakes, your bones are aching and you don't understand what is

0:27:32 > 0:27:37happening. You think it is because of the pain you are in, whether it

0:27:37 > 0:27:42is your back or your knee or whatever but what it is is

0:27:42 > 0:27:48withdrawal from the medication. When I saw my GP there was no help with

0:27:48 > 0:27:53coming off it. You cannot just stop taking painkillers, you have to do a

0:27:53 > 0:27:58reduction programme and there is not that help available.Did you get

0:27:58 > 0:28:03that support, Anthony?I don't feel I did. I went to my GP several times

0:28:03 > 0:28:09and I said I felt I had a dependency on the tablets. I had managed to

0:28:09 > 0:28:14wean myself to a low dose but when I tried to not take that last small

0:28:14 > 0:28:19dose I was getting severe withdrawal and as Nicki said, I was getting hot

0:28:19 > 0:28:25sweats and cold flushes at the same time, shaking a lot, the insomnia

0:28:25 > 0:28:29was the worst I experienced, I would fall asleep and immediately jolt

0:28:29 > 0:28:33awake and could not get back to sleep. I was moody, my partner was

0:28:33 > 0:28:38completely concerned about me. It was helpful to exercise but because

0:28:38 > 0:28:43I was taking the tablets, up to the Defour per day, I could not motivate

0:28:43 > 0:28:51myself, I could not move around -- up to 24 per day. I was irritable

0:28:51 > 0:28:56and I relate to what Nicki is saying. I had to beg the doctor and

0:28:56 > 0:29:03plead and eventually they gave me zopiclone for one week, sleeping

0:29:03 > 0:29:08medication which I took to get over the initial period of withdrawal.

0:29:08 > 0:29:13Thankfully, with that, I was able to come through it. It took about three

0:29:13 > 0:29:19months from that point to not feel anything, the restless arms and

0:29:19 > 0:29:23legs, and had to have a pair of pliers in my hand to squeeze all the

0:29:23 > 0:29:29time to take that horrible peeling away and that was for about three

0:29:29 > 0:29:31months afterwards -- horrible feeling. I had not taken tramadol

0:29:31 > 0:29:37and gabapentin for a year but I still have the pain and the

0:29:37 > 0:29:42herniated disc but I would rather suffer the pain than the addiction

0:29:42 > 0:29:46and the withdrawal, I'm not prepared to go through that again.People are

0:29:46 > 0:29:50getting in touch echoing what you're saying. Paul says he has been on

0:29:50 > 0:29:54painkillers for 17 years because of bladder cancer, my doctor tried to

0:29:54 > 0:29:58cut back but my body will not have it. My doctor doesn't know the way

0:29:58 > 0:30:03of getting professional help and I'm still trying. Another text said they

0:30:03 > 0:30:07had an accident that resulted in taking tramadol, take them for six

0:30:07 > 0:30:11months before the GB stop them, advanced advice they went cold

0:30:11 > 0:30:14turkey and it was one of the worst experiences that you could go

0:30:14 > 0:30:22through. A final thought before we wrap it up, from all of you, we have

0:30:22 > 0:30:26heard Ant McPartlin has got into rehab again and now we know he had a

0:30:26 > 0:30:29stint in the summer for addiction to painkillers. Your thoughts on what

0:30:29 > 0:30:37he could be going through now and from your own experience?

0:30:37 > 0:30:42I was fortunate enough I had private medical insurance at the time. The

0:30:42 > 0:30:48only way I could get help was going into a private residential detox.

0:30:48 > 0:30:51And I think that's where, unfortunately, because there is no

0:30:51 > 0:30:59help on the NHS a lot of people are contacting helplines were they try

0:30:59 > 0:31:05and help people get into rehab. What he is probably feeling now is shame,

0:31:05 > 0:31:12guilt, that he has let everybody down. But having been in rehab, he

0:31:12 > 0:31:17came out and he went straight back into his old lifestyle, not

0:31:17 > 0:31:23realising, not really dealing with his Demons. So he needs to kind of

0:31:23 > 0:31:27understand the programme, have a complete detox. In rehab you are

0:31:27 > 0:31:38broken down. They are there to teach you, to break you down.It's easy to

0:31:38 > 0:31:43stop taking drugs through a detox. It's staying stopped which is the

0:31:43 > 0:31:47issue. Continuing the process of, what do I do after leaving

0:31:47 > 0:31:53treatment? How do I stay in recovery instead of going back to my old

0:31:53 > 0:31:56lifestyle and old behaviours? Maybe I'll just have one. The thought of

0:31:56 > 0:32:02that first one spirals again into the next process. It's very easy to

0:32:02 > 0:32:07fall back into the trap.With people like me who still have the issue,

0:32:07 > 0:32:13the issue has never been resolved. I have had scans that show the issue.

0:32:13 > 0:32:19I still have that problem. I know choose not to take the drug. Nicky

0:32:19 > 0:32:24said she had access to that private facility. Many people like myself, I

0:32:24 > 0:32:29don't have that. I have to put my trust in my GP. I have two trust

0:32:29 > 0:32:34where they refer me. I don't have any means to pay for private health

0:32:34 > 0:32:39care or things like that. Touching a little bit more on Ant McPartlin, I

0:32:39 > 0:32:43should imagine he feels embarrassed and ashamed that maybe he has failed

0:32:43 > 0:32:47the first time around. This is such a powerful addiction that it doesn't

0:32:47 > 0:32:53surprise me that is the case. I just hope he gets the help he needs.

0:32:53 > 0:32:57I think the main message is to talk about it. One of the things that we

0:32:57 > 0:33:01all hear is that people don't want to talk about it to the GP. They

0:33:01 > 0:33:06don't want to admit to addiction. GPs are maybe not looking for it.

0:33:06 > 0:33:10Get the diagnosis. Then I think there are a number of things.

0:33:10 > 0:33:13Sometimes people will do well with a gradual reduction. Sometimes you

0:33:13 > 0:33:19have to get help from NHS addiction services, which are thinly

0:33:19 > 0:33:23stretched. It is about admitting to a problem first of all. There are

0:33:23 > 0:33:28sources of help out there. One size does not fit all.Thank you

0:33:28 > 0:33:31all for coming in. I want to read this statement from the Department

0:33:31 > 0:33:36of Health. They say it has already become a big issue another overseas

0:33:36 > 0:33:38countries and we are determined to make sure it doesn't happen here.

0:33:38 > 0:33:42When we understand the scale of the problem, we will look at a range of

0:33:42 > 0:33:48policy options to tackle the issue. Thank you for coming in. After ten

0:33:48 > 0:33:51o'clock, we will ask about the future of ant and deck. We are keen

0:33:51 > 0:33:54to hear your experience of painkiller addiction.

0:33:54 > 0:34:02-- Anton deck. Tens of thousands of people with chronic illnesses are

0:34:02 > 0:34:07disabilities may have been paid too little in benefits due to an error.

0:34:07 > 0:34:13We hear from people who think they may have been affected.

0:34:13 > 0:34:14Time for the latest news.

0:34:14 > 0:34:16Here's Joanna.

0:34:16 > 0:34:19More than a million NHS staff are poised for a pay rise

0:34:19 > 0:34:22with a deal that could be worth as much as £4 billion

0:34:22 > 0:34:25being announced by lunchtime today.

0:34:25 > 0:34:29The BBC understands that health bosses and unions have reached

0:34:29 > 0:34:34an agreement that will mark an end to a seven-year cap and boost

0:34:34 > 0:34:37the salaries of workers including nurses, porters and paramedics,

0:34:37 > 0:34:38but not doctors.

0:34:38 > 0:34:40Facebook will be questioned by politicians in Washington today

0:34:40 > 0:34:43as the company comes under growing pressure to explain how data

0:34:43 > 0:34:46from 50 million users was used by a British Company

0:34:46 > 0:34:47during the US presidential election.

0:34:47 > 0:34:50It's alleged that Cambridge Analytica used the data to target

0:34:50 > 0:34:51voters and influence the election outcome.

0:34:51 > 0:34:53That company's chief executive, Alexander Nix, has been suspended.

0:34:53 > 0:35:01Both firms deny any wrongdoing.

0:35:02 > 0:35:05Reports from the United States say the suspect in a series

0:35:05 > 0:35:08of bombings in Texas is dead after blowing himself up.

0:35:08 > 0:35:11Five devices have detonated so far this month and killed two people.

0:35:11 > 0:35:16A sixth parcel bomb was intercepted before it exploded.

0:35:16 > 0:35:19The amount of plastic in the ocean could treble within a decade,

0:35:19 > 0:35:22unless action is taken to tackle the problem, a major

0:35:22 > 0:35:23report has warned.

0:35:23 > 0:35:26The Foresight Future of the Sea Report for the UK

0:35:26 > 0:35:28Government says plastics is just one issue facing the world's seas,

0:35:28 > 0:35:31along with rising sea levels and warming oceans.

0:35:31 > 0:35:39It also says much more knowledge is needed about the ocean.

0:35:40 > 0:35:44That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

0:35:44 > 0:35:50Thank you. You are still getting in touch with your experiences of

0:35:50 > 0:35:54painkiller addiction. Robin says he is so terribly sorry for the

0:35:54 > 0:35:59participants and their valour experiences. -- valid. He ended up

0:35:59 > 0:36:05at NA any last weekend. He was given the opportunity without judgment to

0:36:05 > 0:36:13outline his problem. Pain relief was given without question. "I Was so

0:36:13 > 0:36:16grateful for the common-sense approach. I didn't have to beg and I

0:36:16 > 0:36:19wasn't treated like an addict. Thanks to those doctors who make a

0:36:19 > 0:36:25good judgment call. " Share your experiences with us throughout the

0:36:25 > 0:36:25morning.

0:36:25 > 0:36:29Here's some sport now with John.

0:36:29 > 0:36:33Hello. Scotland are hoping to qualify for next year's Cricket

0:36:33 > 0:36:39World Cup. Beat the West Indies and the place is theirs. They dismissed

0:36:39 > 0:36:45Gale for naught. A short while ago the West Indies were 116-2. England

0:36:45 > 0:36:49captain Joel Ruud says the return of Ben Stokes to the England team is a

0:36:49 > 0:36:56huge boost. -- Joe Root. From milkman to the World Cup, Nick Pope

0:36:56 > 0:36:59will hope he can impress Gareth Southgate in England's friendlies

0:36:59 > 0:37:05with the Netherlands and Italy, nine years after he was released by

0:37:05 > 0:37:12Ipswich. And two British teams could reach the semifinals of the

0:37:12 > 0:37:17Champions League for the first time if Manchester City and Chelsea can

0:37:17 > 0:37:20come through their quarterfinal ties, the first of which are being

0:37:20 > 0:37:26played tonight. Some big matches to come later.

0:37:26 > 0:37:28That is all the sport for now.

0:37:28 > 0:37:32Tens of thousands of people with chronic illnesses

0:37:32 > 0:37:34or disabilities may have been paid too little in benefits due

0:37:34 > 0:37:37to an error in calculating the main sickness benefit,

0:37:37 > 0:37:40Employment and Support Allowance.

0:37:40 > 0:37:43Around 70,000 claimants are due a repayment of up to £20,000

0:37:43 > 0:37:48which could cost the government more than £800 million.

0:37:48 > 0:37:52Around 2.4 million people claim Employment and Support Allowance

0:37:52 > 0:37:55because they are unable or have limited capacity to work.

0:37:55 > 0:37:59We can talk to two people who think they may have been affected.

0:37:59 > 0:38:03Heidi Niel is on ESA, and had been on incapacity benefit

0:38:03 > 0:38:08after she had a massive heart attack at 38.

0:38:08 > 0:38:11Tracey Flynn, who lost her job after the birth of her second

0:38:11 > 0:38:15child because of her chronic rheumatoid arthritis.

0:38:15 > 0:38:17Also with us, Labour MP and member of Parliament's Work

0:38:17 > 0:38:25and Pensions Select Committee Neil Coyle.

0:38:25 > 0:38:30Thank you all for taking the time out to speak to us. Heidi, I want to

0:38:30 > 0:38:35start with you. I know that you have struggled since your benefits have

0:38:35 > 0:38:39changed. Explain in practical terms and in day-to-day life what that has

0:38:39 > 0:38:47meant to you?Well, initially I had no idea about this incapacity DSA. I

0:38:47 > 0:38:51just got a letter to say the name changed. Until I was notified

0:38:51 > 0:38:54literally yesterday morning there may be an issue, I literally had no

0:38:54 > 0:39:00idea. They tend to fudge you with paperwork, which grind you down

0:39:00 > 0:39:07continuously. My benefit was then stopped in August of this year, when

0:39:07 > 0:39:10it switched over to Universal Credit. And I'm now going through

0:39:10 > 0:39:17the appeals process to get me back onto DSA. Now I'm wondering if it

0:39:17 > 0:39:22should be an appeals process to get me back onto incapacity. It is so

0:39:22 > 0:39:28hard to keep up with where you were supposed to be. Thank heavens for

0:39:28 > 0:39:31the Citizens Advice Bureau. I'm sure they have been flooded with these

0:39:31 > 0:39:35problems. Day-to-day living has been an absolute nightmare. Wondering

0:39:35 > 0:39:39whether I can afford to have heating on. Basic stuff. Literally basic

0:39:39 > 0:39:45stuff. And being told you can use the food bank. I mean, where is that

0:39:45 > 0:39:51normal? To me it is not.You have also had bailiffs around, I

0:39:51 > 0:40:00understand?Yes. When your benefit is stopped, with the

0:40:00 > 0:40:04is stopped, with the incapacity DSA... They were trying to do it on

0:40:04 > 0:40:08the employment and support allowance as well. I have had to go back to

0:40:08 > 0:40:12certificates. I had been fully assessed and was told that I was

0:40:12 > 0:40:18effectively permanently unfit to work until deemed fit to work. So I

0:40:18 > 0:40:24had to go through that again. That has been an absolute nightmare.I

0:40:24 > 0:40:29want to also bring in Tracy to hear her experiences. I know that you

0:40:29 > 0:40:33have chronic rheumatoid arthritis. I also know that you have got pretty

0:40:33 > 0:40:37young children who are registered carers. So juggling all of this must

0:40:37 > 0:40:45be incredibly stressful for you.It is. And when you factor in DWP

0:40:45 > 0:40:48involvement, it is never straightforward. I was moved from

0:40:48 > 0:40:53incapacity benefit to employment and support allowance in 2011. I was

0:40:53 > 0:41:00actually found that I had a limited fitness to work. Despite the fact I

0:41:00 > 0:41:04have been retired on ill-health grounds from a government

0:41:04 > 0:41:08department. That was from a sedentary position. The amount of

0:41:08 > 0:41:13treatment that I have, and the amount of intervention by the NHS,

0:41:13 > 0:41:18my GP, my occupational therapist, my consultant, and the fact that my

0:41:18 > 0:41:20rheumatoid is not particularly well controlled, I have a suppressed

0:41:20 > 0:41:25immune system, and the amount of monitoring that goes on, means it's

0:41:25 > 0:41:29very difficult for me to hold down a job and provide effective and

0:41:29 > 0:41:35efficient services as an employee, which is the reason that I've lost

0:41:35 > 0:41:39my job in the first place. I just couldn't manage to get into work and

0:41:39 > 0:41:47do my job.Neil Coyle, I want to bring you in. 70,000 claimants here

0:41:47 > 0:41:54could be looking at a huge payment of Ulster £20,000. The average

0:41:54 > 0:41:58amount we understand will be £5,000. How on earth are we got in this

0:41:58 > 0:42:03position?

0:42:03 > 0:42:07position?Sadly, disability UK described it as a shambolic

0:42:07 > 0:42:11catalogue of errors. The Department for Work and Pensions, back in 2014,

0:42:11 > 0:42:15when this problem was first identified, four years ago, it could

0:42:15 > 0:42:20have been dealt with at the time. But it has been completely

0:42:20 > 0:42:23overstretched and under resourced. The coalition government axed

0:42:23 > 0:42:26thousands of civil servants and left those remaining are unable to make

0:42:26 > 0:42:31the decisions properly. We've got an assessment process the government

0:42:31 > 0:42:36pays millions of pounds to administer. It is failing disabled

0:42:36 > 0:42:42people routinely. We have had Universal Credit with its problems,

0:42:42 > 0:42:46Personal Independent Payment is, whether urban lot of problems. Now

0:42:46 > 0:42:49that we know that employment and support allowance, which only helps

0:42:49 > 0:42:53disabled people, we now know there were these 70,000 disabled people

0:42:53 > 0:42:59who are owed at least £2500. The government really needs to apologise

0:42:59 > 0:43:03and do it very quickly and make these payments, make these back

0:43:03 > 0:43:08payments as quickly as possible.The Department for Work and Pensions say

0:43:08 > 0:43:12they will not comment on individuals but say they are well under way with

0:43:12 > 0:43:16the plan to identify and repay people affected. Payments have

0:43:16 > 0:43:20already started. "We Are committed to making sure people get what they

0:43:20 > 0:43:23are entitled to as quickly as possible. Everybody who could be

0:43:23 > 0:43:28affected will be contacted directly by the Department." Heidi, what

0:43:28 > 0:43:35difference would it make if you had some money that came in, that was an

0:43:35 > 0:43:38average of £5,000? What difference would that make your life?Obviously

0:43:38 > 0:43:42in the media didn't help me pay off the debts that are now spiralling

0:43:42 > 0:43:51out of control. The more the money is not back in the... Without some

0:43:51 > 0:43:55sort of regular structure, which is what they had before, yes OK, it

0:43:55 > 0:44:00wasn't a brilliant amount, but I had worked out budgetary wise. Even if I

0:44:00 > 0:44:04could just get back to that state, initially, yes it would help me pay

0:44:04 > 0:44:12off some debts. But literally the whole system needs to be looked at.

0:44:12 > 0:44:15What is the saying, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Everything as

0:44:15 > 0:44:22far as I was concerned was OK. I was living not comfortably, not a

0:44:22 > 0:44:26luxurious life, but I had it all under control. They keep changing

0:44:26 > 0:44:30the goal post and it has thrown everybody into a tailspin,

0:44:30 > 0:44:32depression, suicide. It's just awful. I wouldn't wish this on my

0:44:32 > 0:44:37worst enemy, literally. Heidi, thank you for sharing your

0:44:37 > 0:44:45story. Thank you to Tracy and Neil Coyle first begin to us as well.

0:44:48 > 0:44:53America is good at electing celebrities into office. Six and the

0:44:53 > 0:44:56city star Cynthia Nixon, who played Miranda Hobbes in the series, is

0:44:56 > 0:45:02hoping to get in the act. Is launching a bid to get elected for

0:45:02 > 0:45:03the Democrats. She held an election rally

0:45:03 > 0:45:06overnight.

0:45:23 > 0:45:30New York is where I was was raised and where I'm raising my kids.

0:45:57 > 0:45:59And to the thousands of you standing in this square

0:45:59 > 0:46:02participating in history...

0:46:27 > 0:46:30The Cambridge psychologist who created an apt to harvest the

0:46:30 > 0:46:33personal data of millions of Facebook users has insisted he is

0:46:33 > 0:46:38done nothing wrong, it was claimed the information was used without

0:46:38 > 0:46:40permission to persuade people to vote for Donald Trump in the US

0:46:40 > 0:46:47elections. Doctor Alexander Kogan has been speaking to Radio 4.I am

0:46:47 > 0:46:52stunned by most of this, it has never been my understanding. The

0:46:52 > 0:46:57events of the past week have been a total shell shock. My view is that

0:46:57 > 0:47:03I'm being used as a scapegoat by Facebook and Cambridge Analytica

0:47:03 > 0:47:06when honestly we thought we were acting perfectly appropriately, we

0:47:06 > 0:47:13thought we were doing something normal and we were assured by

0:47:13 > 0:47:16Cambridge Analytica that everything was legal in terms of the terms of

0:47:16 > 0:47:22service.Cambridge Analytica, the London based firm that has been

0:47:22 > 0:47:24accused of harvesting Facebook information for political clients,

0:47:24 > 0:47:30has suspended its chief executive. It said comments made by Alexander

0:47:30 > 0:47:33Nix to an undercover reporter do not reflect its values. The undercover

0:47:33 > 0:47:39investigation showed Alexander Nix boasting he had met Donald Trump

0:47:39 > 0:47:45many times.

0:47:53 > 0:47:57Facebook has been used by political parties and campaign groups

0:47:57 > 0:47:59for over a decade now to try and spread their message

0:47:59 > 0:48:00and win over supporters.

0:48:00 > 0:48:04When does legitimate campaigning become unethical

0:48:04 > 0:48:07and potentially illegal?

0:48:07 > 0:48:10James McGrory is the executive director of Open Britain, a

0:48:10 > 0:48:11pro-EU campaign group.

0:48:11 > 0:48:14He was the head of press for the Stronger In campaign group

0:48:14 > 0:48:16during the Brexit referendum who argued that the UK

0:48:16 > 0:48:24should stay In the EU.

0:48:24 > 0:48:28What are the kinds of conversations that take place in political parties

0:48:28 > 0:48:33about the use of this kind of data? First and foremost it had to be

0:48:33 > 0:48:38legal for the big companies like Facebook and political parties as

0:48:38 > 0:48:40well as businesses and media organisations hold a lot of data

0:48:40 > 0:48:44about people and that's not a bad thing necessary as long as it has

0:48:44 > 0:48:50been got hold of correctly and used correctly. There are legitimate and

0:48:50 > 0:48:52good uses of social media campaigning amongst political

0:48:52 > 0:48:59parties. People say politics is too distant, so go where people are, to

0:48:59 > 0:49:02Facebook and Twitter and Instagram. What you had to be sure about it

0:49:02 > 0:49:06that you are gathering the data correctly and using it correctly.

0:49:06 > 0:49:11And that people know you have their data.When you sign up you are clear

0:49:11 > 0:49:15about what your data will and will not be used for and while I do not

0:49:15 > 0:49:18know every in and out of what has gone on, that appears to be the most

0:49:18 > 0:49:23serious allegation, that data has been so-called scraped without not

0:49:23 > 0:49:27only the consent of the users but the consent of many friends and

0:49:27 > 0:49:33family. That seems to be an appalling use of data. However, the

0:49:33 > 0:49:38idea that you go on Facebook and you say you are interested in the EU as

0:49:38 > 0:49:42an issue or the environment, why shouldn't political partisan

0:49:42 > 0:49:47campaigns say, we have an advert and a policy we think you're interested

0:49:47 > 0:49:55in and target that advert.Is it ethical?I don't see why not also if

0:49:55 > 0:49:59you give your details to Facebook and their clear in that example

0:49:59 > 0:50:04about what your data is and is not used for, you can get an advert from

0:50:04 > 0:50:10a political party or campaign and you can click on that, and it will

0:50:10 > 0:50:12take you are seeing this advert because this group of people want

0:50:12 > 0:50:15you to see it because you are interested in the environment. If

0:50:15 > 0:50:20you don't want to see any more, click here. Not every political

0:50:20 > 0:50:24party or campaign or business is going to be able to get the right at

0:50:24 > 0:50:27that at the right person all the time but they want to advertise. At

0:50:27 > 0:50:30the same time you should be able to say, I don't want to see this any

0:50:30 > 0:50:34more. It is about the rules and transparency with which you operate.

0:50:34 > 0:50:38In my opinion there is nothing wrong with political campaigns like any

0:50:38 > 0:50:41business or any group of people wanting to talk to people on social

0:50:41 > 0:50:46media.I wonder if people on social media as they did over those

0:50:46 > 0:50:50details, even if it is obvious, who read the terms and conditions? Is it

0:50:50 > 0:50:53fair when people are giving over that information that it gets used

0:50:53 > 0:50:59by political parties because they might not realise it.There is a big

0:50:59 > 0:51:02distinction to make it is not necessarily used by political

0:51:02 > 0:51:08parties...It is used to target.It is used to target by Facebook.You

0:51:08 > 0:51:13have never used it within political campaigning information you had to

0:51:13 > 0:51:17target particular voters?You can do that as well, it is nothing new.

0:51:17 > 0:51:20Political parties even before Facebook were delivering Leaf books

0:51:20 > 0:51:25to people that were different in one area to another, people are

0:51:25 > 0:51:28interested in their local communities. If you have a young

0:51:28 > 0:51:31family you might have interest in child care or shared parental leave

0:51:31 > 0:51:35and someone who did not a family might not be interested in that.

0:51:35 > 0:51:40People say that politics is too distant. There is merit in that also

0:51:40 > 0:51:43we can't say at the same time that we cannot allow political partisan

0:51:43 > 0:51:47campaigns to talk to people about the issues that we know matter to

0:51:47 > 0:51:52them. That is part and parcel of politics whether on the doorstep or

0:51:52 > 0:51:58on an app on your phone. While there are serious questions to answer in

0:51:58 > 0:52:02this, we have to be careful about throwing the baby out with the bath

0:52:02 > 0:52:09water and saying that all political campaigning online, as long as it is

0:52:09 > 0:52:11done appropriately and transparency and people can unsubscribe from all

0:52:11 > 0:52:15of the things that people should do and by and large do do, it can be a

0:52:15 > 0:52:17force for good.Thank you for coming in.

0:52:17 > 0:52:19The hashtag DeleteFacebook has been trending

0:52:19 > 0:52:22for the last 24 hours in protest at the company's data

0:52:22 > 0:52:23and privacy policies.

0:52:23 > 0:52:25Let's speak to two people who have deleted their accounts.

0:52:25 > 0:52:28James Giblin, who's been on Facebook for ten years and is

0:52:28 > 0:52:29training to be a teacher.

0:52:29 > 0:52:31And Eva Dull, who's been on it nine years

0:52:31 > 0:52:34and works in marketing.

0:52:37 > 0:52:40Is it a knee jerk reaction or had you thinking about getting off it

0:52:40 > 0:52:46for a while?I have been thinking about it for a while. This kind of

0:52:46 > 0:52:51thing has been common knowledge among people for a while, data

0:52:51 > 0:52:57breaches and stuff like that. And on the back of the Twitter campaign, I

0:52:57 > 0:53:01thought it was something to get behind to finally push Facebook into

0:53:01 > 0:53:07the past.What about you, Eva, why did you decide to the league now?I

0:53:07 > 0:53:14have been thought about deleting for two or three years. I think when

0:53:14 > 0:53:19Facebook became a bit frustrating, not sure if they ran ads before it

0:53:19 > 0:53:24is well, but it was two and a half years ago when it started

0:53:24 > 0:53:29frustrating the. I started using it less and less. I have not really

0:53:29 > 0:53:37posted anything in about a year. So I think this was kind of like what

0:53:37 > 0:53:42pushed me over the edge and I said, I don't actually get anything out of

0:53:42 > 0:53:55it.In that sense is it about trust or saying that I'm done?I think I

0:53:55 > 0:53:58kind of doubted the trust issue a while ago because I have been

0:53:58 > 0:54:03expecting some kind of a story like this to break for some time. I have

0:54:03 > 0:54:11been following Cambridge Analytica for just over a year. And I think

0:54:11 > 0:54:19this was kind of the final straw but at the same time I feel...It looks

0:54:19 > 0:54:26like we have lost the line with Eva. We can bring in James again. Do you

0:54:26 > 0:54:32think we are a bit naive in what we share on Facebook? It is free to

0:54:32 > 0:54:38use, they will want something out the deal, something back, and

0:54:38 > 0:54:44ultimately that is our information. I understand that but a lot of users

0:54:44 > 0:54:49might be over 50 and not really familiar with how the internet works

0:54:49 > 0:54:54and how Facebook works as a platform. Nobody is given a crash

0:54:54 > 0:54:58course in how to use the platform. They might be naive in the sense

0:54:58 > 0:55:03that they might share personal information like bank details to the

0:55:03 > 0:55:08partners and they are not aware of where the data has been stored or

0:55:08 > 0:55:12what it is being used for and things like that.Thank you for joining us

0:55:12 > 0:55:17this morning and explaining why you are deleting Facebook. More on the

0:55:17 > 0:55:21breaking news we brought you earlier, reports from Texas that a

0:55:21 > 0:55:27suspected serial bomber has died after being pursued by police. Some

0:55:27 > 0:55:31reports say he blew himself up. It follows a series of parcel bomb

0:55:31 > 0:55:35attacks in the city of Austin where to Maccabi blabbing killed and

0:55:35 > 0:55:41several injured. Our correspondent can tell us more -- where two people

0:55:41 > 0:55:46have been killed.The breakthrough happened yesterday where there were

0:55:46 > 0:55:51two devices found at two separate FedEx facilities, one look up and

0:55:51 > 0:55:57one did not. They were able to get DNA from that and also CCTV footage

0:55:57 > 0:56:02of a suspect. They released an image of the suspect in a cap and it

0:56:02 > 0:56:07appears this morning that they were able to locate the suspect at a

0:56:07 > 0:56:14hotel outside Austin. They blocked off Interstate 35, a highway, and

0:56:14 > 0:56:20they were pursuing him and it appears he blew himself up. An

0:56:20 > 0:56:24eyewitness was at home when he heard police sirens.They were close to

0:56:24 > 0:56:30the woods and obviously the cops saw us and they approached us. I don't

0:56:30 > 0:56:35know who it was, they were in military gear. They asked us to

0:56:35 > 0:56:41leave.You know that the Austin bombing suspect is dead?Is he

0:56:41 > 0:56:47really?We were able to confirm that.We can go live to Texas where

0:56:47 > 0:56:53police are giving a briefing.About the level of partnership that has

0:56:53 > 0:56:57taken place with our federal officials, our local officials and

0:56:57 > 0:57:04police department to bring this to an end. And through all of this hard

0:57:04 > 0:57:11work, we identified several leads throughout the course of the week 's

0:57:11 > 0:57:16but beginning within the past 24-36 hours a week started getting

0:57:16 > 0:57:20information on one person of interest that we continue to work on

0:57:20 > 0:57:25and continued to develop and as we continued to do our investigations,

0:57:25 > 0:57:31this person of interest ultimately moved to being a suspect and that is

0:57:31 > 0:57:35what we started focusing on, his involvement in these crimes. Late

0:57:35 > 0:57:40last night and early this morning we felt very confident that this was

0:57:40 > 0:57:47the suspect in the bombing incidents that took place in Austin. We had

0:57:47 > 0:57:53surveillance teams looking for the suspect and we ultimately located

0:57:53 > 0:57:58the vehicle that this suspect was known to be driving and witnesses

0:57:58 > 0:58:02told us he was driving and in fact we found that at a hotel right up

0:58:02 > 0:58:08the road here. We had multiple officers from both the police

0:58:08 > 0:58:14department and our federal partners that took up the dishes around the

0:58:14 > 0:58:20hotel awaiting the arrival of our tactical teams because we wanted to

0:58:20 > 0:58:24have ballistic vehicles here so we could attempt to take this suspect

0:58:24 > 0:58:28into custody as safely as possible. While we were waiting for those

0:58:28 > 0:58:33vehicles to get here, much time had passed and the vehicle started to

0:58:33 > 0:58:42drive away. We began following the vehicle, again, waiting to get the

0:58:42 > 0:58:46tactical vehicles here so we could make a stop. However, the vehicle

0:58:46 > 0:58:53ended up stopping in the ditch at the side of the road behind us. As

0:58:53 > 0:58:57members of the Austin police Department SWAT team approached the

0:58:57 > 0:59:03vehicle, the suspect detonated a bomb inside the vehicle, knocking

0:59:03 > 0:59:08one of our SWAT officers back and one of them fired at the suspect as

0:59:08 > 0:59:15well. The suspect is deceased and has significant injuries from a

0:59:15 > 0:59:21blast that occurred from detonating a bomb inside his vehicle. We cannot

0:59:21 > 0:59:25name the suspect at this time because he has not been positively

0:59:25 > 0:59:30identified yet by the medical examiner and next of kin have not

0:59:30 > 0:59:34yet been notified.That is a live press conference from Austin Texas

0:59:34 > 0:59:42with police giving us an update on the suspect linked to the parcel

0:59:42 > 0:59:46bomb attacks, giving the status of his death in the early hours of this

0:59:46 > 0:59:50morning. We will bring you updates on that in the programme. That get

0:59:50 > 0:59:51the latest weather now.

0:59:53 > 0:59:58It has been a chilly start for many, some lovely pictures coming in, some

0:59:58 > 1:00:03frost on the ground and sunshine to start the day as well. The sunshine

1:00:03 > 1:00:07some of us have will turn hazier through the day and that is because

1:00:07 > 1:00:11we have a weather front which continues its journey moving

1:00:11 > 1:00:15south-eastward and taking the cloud with it as it does and some will

1:00:15 > 1:00:21have some patchy rain and drizzle. It will be mild, the cloud in

1:00:21 > 1:00:26Scotland, Northern Ireland and England, colder in the South so we

1:00:26 > 1:00:33have the blues and even today later on and tomorrow, most of us will

1:00:33 > 1:00:37have milder conditions. The bright sunny skies across England and Wales

1:00:37 > 1:00:41will be replaced by hazier skies, again some patchy light rain and

1:00:41 > 1:00:46drizzle, mostly across northern England and Wales. Still some

1:00:46 > 1:00:53showery outbreaks in Scotland behind the main weather front. We could see

1:00:53 > 1:00:5412 Celsius this afternoon in Scotland and we have not had that

1:00:54 > 1:01:01for some time. Further south, 7-11d. This evening and overnight the

1:01:01 > 1:01:07weather front continues to move south eastwards, taking the rain

1:01:07 > 1:01:11with it, and the showery outbreaks continue in western Scotland. In

1:01:11 > 1:01:16between with clearer skies, some patchy mist and fog. Not many

1:01:16 > 1:01:18problems with frost because temperatures compared to this

1:01:18 > 1:01:25morning are much higher also this morning it was freezing or below but

1:01:25 > 1:01:29tomorrow it is 5-7d for that if there is any the likelihood it will

1:01:29 > 1:01:35be part of Wales and south-west England. Heading through the morning

1:01:35 > 1:01:41tomorrow, we will lose any patchy mist and fog and it will brighten up

1:01:41 > 1:01:45nicely with sunshine but like today the cloud will build on the west,

1:01:45 > 1:01:47turning the sunshine in Haiti ahead of this weather front which will

1:01:47 > 1:01:52bring some more substantial rain and windier conditions. Temperatures

1:01:52 > 1:02:01still in good shape, 10-12, a bit cool in Lerwick. This fund will move

1:02:01 > 1:02:05from West to east through the evening and overnight -- with this

1:02:05 > 1:02:11front. On Friday morning it will continue, claiming eastern Scotland

1:02:11 > 1:02:15and England but if you follow it around you can see the other end in

1:02:15 > 1:02:20the north and west of Scotland with some hill snow possible. This next

1:02:20 > 1:02:26band of rain is coming in from the south-west. The extent of it is

1:02:26 > 1:02:32questionable but still a bad -- a good day.

1:02:32 > 1:02:34Hello it's Wednesday, it's 10 o'clock, I'm Chloe Tilley

1:02:34 > 1:02:36in for Victoria Derbyshire.

1:02:36 > 1:02:39Our top story today - after years of a 1% pay cap,

1:02:39 > 1:02:41the government is expected to announce a significant pay

1:02:41 > 1:02:47increase for NHS staff in England, apart from doctors

1:02:47 > 1:02:51Staffing issues have to be addressed, vacancies have to be

1:02:51 > 1:02:57addressed. The whole issue of using agencies sat -- staff on double

1:02:57 > 1:03:01shifts has to be addressed. In that context it is significant that the

1:03:01 > 1:03:02pay award has been made.

1:03:02 > 1:03:05If you work for the NHS, do get in touch and tell us your reaction.

1:03:05 > 1:03:08Plus - there's been a huge rise in the number of women

1:03:08 > 1:03:14using donated eggs to get pregnant.

1:03:14 > 1:03:18You get married and then your friends have kids and it's just not

1:03:18 > 1:03:21happening to you. It suddenly becomes the most important thing in

1:03:21 > 1:03:25your life. The only thing you can focus on.

1:03:25 > 1:03:28We'll be talking live to a woman who's donated her eggs four times,

1:03:28 > 1:03:30and another women who's had a child thanks to a donation

1:03:30 > 1:03:33of an egg from her friend.

1:03:33 > 1:03:37And what next for the future of Ant and Dec?

1:03:37 > 1:03:40We'll look at what impact Ant's arrest on suspicion of drink-driving

1:03:40 > 1:03:43will have on the pair's many successful TV programmes.

1:03:48 > 1:03:54Good morning.

1:03:54 > 1:03:57Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

1:03:57 > 1:03:58Good morning.

1:03:58 > 1:04:01More than a million NHS staff are poised for a pay rise,

1:04:01 > 1:04:03with a deal that could be worth as much as £4 billion

1:04:03 > 1:04:05being announced by lunchtime today.

1:04:05 > 1:04:07The BBC understands that health bosses and unions have

1:04:07 > 1:04:10reached an agreement that will mark an end to a seven-year cap

1:04:10 > 1:04:12and boost the salaries of workers including nurses,

1:04:12 > 1:04:17porters and paramedics - but not doctors.

1:04:17 > 1:04:20Facebook will be questioned by politicians in Washington today, as

1:04:20 > 1:04:25the company comes under growing pressure to explain how data was

1:04:25 > 1:04:33used by a British company during the British general election. It is

1:04:33 > 1:04:39alleged the data was used to influence the income. Both firms

1:04:39 > 1:04:41deny any wrongdoing.

1:04:41 > 1:04:45Reports from the United States say the suspect in a series of bombings

1:04:45 > 1:04:47in Texas has died, after blowing himself up.

1:04:47 > 1:04:48Five devices have detonated so far this month,

1:04:48 > 1:04:49and killed two people.

1:04:49 > 1:04:56A sixth parcel bomb was intercepted before it exploded.

1:04:56 > 1:05:02As members of the Austin police Department SWAT team approached the

1:05:02 > 1:05:05vehicle, the suspect detonated a bomb inside the vehicle, knocking

1:05:05 > 1:05:12one of our SWAT officers back. One of our SWAT officers fired at the

1:05:12 > 1:05:17suspect as well. The suspect is deceased and has significant

1:05:17 > 1:05:20injuries from a blast that occurred from detonating a bomb inside his

1:05:20 > 1:05:21vehicle.

1:05:21 > 1:05:23Unemployment rose by 24,000 to 1.45 million

1:05:23 > 1:05:26in the three months to January.

1:05:26 > 1:05:29It was the second month in a row to show an increase.

1:05:29 > 1:05:31However, the rate of unemployment was down

1:05:31 > 1:05:32slightly, from 4.4% to 4.3%.

1:05:32 > 1:05:39Average earnings including bonuses rose by 2.8% in the same period.

1:05:39 > 1:05:47That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.30.

1:05:47 > 1:05:51Thank you very much. Let me read you some of the comments people are

1:05:51 > 1:05:54getting in touch with us about painkillers. We were talking about

1:05:54 > 1:06:01how easily -- two guests were talking about how easy it was for

1:06:01 > 1:06:04them to become addicted. David has been taking painkillers for 20

1:06:04 > 1:06:09years. Last month he was rushed into hospital with his stomach bleeding.

1:06:09 > 1:06:13He had blood transfusions, lost two stone in weight and is now having

1:06:13 > 1:06:18injections every three months. Simon has got in touch, saying in a bully

1:06:18 > 1:06:20went to three different doctors in five days with horrendous back pain

1:06:20 > 1:06:26and was giving increasing amounts of painkillers. He was paralysed from

1:06:26 > 1:06:32the waist down with the loss of bladder function due to our bladder

1:06:32 > 1:06:34-- an abscess. Do share your experiences.

1:06:34 > 1:06:36Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

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1:06:41 > 1:06:47Let me bring you this breaking news which we are getting from Nigeria.

1:06:47 > 1:06:52Boko Haram militants have released 76 of the 110 schoolgirls were

1:06:52 > 1:06:55abducted from the north-eastern town of Duchy back in February. Very

1:06:55 > 1:07:02similar to the Chibok girls many years ago. The government said this

1:07:02 > 1:07:08in a statement this morning. The information minister said 76 had so

1:07:08 > 1:07:12far been documented and they are adding details of that throughout

1:07:12 > 1:07:18the morning. As we get more details, we will bring it to you. Good news

1:07:18 > 1:07:22coming from Nigeria. 76 schoolgirls abducted in north-eastern Nigeria

1:07:22 > 1:07:27have been released. Now the sport with John. Good morning. A place at

1:07:27 > 1:07:30the Cricket World Cup hangs in the balance for Scotland. A victory over

1:07:30 > 1:07:34the West Indies and a place at the tournament next year in England and

1:07:34 > 1:07:41Wales is theirs. They made the best possible start. Chris Gale went with

1:07:41 > 1:07:47the first ball of the day. The Windies 2-2 at that stage. Did

1:07:47 > 1:07:55recover. Lewis made 50 from 63 balls. He went. Then the key wicket

1:07:55 > 1:08:01of Samuels followed. He was caught in the deep. Scotland have made

1:08:01 > 1:08:08another breakthrough. A short while ago 135-5, the West Indies. Going

1:08:08 > 1:08:13well in Zimbabwe with the world Cup spot in Scotland's reach. For

1:08:13 > 1:08:19England, immediate thoughts turn to their two test series with New

1:08:19 > 1:08:23Zealand. Ben Stokes is set to return. Captain Joel Ruud says he is

1:08:23 > 1:08:35a 31 player. And that Stokes is itching to get back. -- Joe Root.

1:08:35 > 1:08:37Coming back into high-intensity cricket, having spent a lot of time

1:08:37 > 1:08:45out of the game, and managing it quite shrewdly, has been really

1:08:45 > 1:08:49mature of him, actually. He is someone who likes to do things at

1:08:49 > 1:08:55150 million mph all the time. You can see the maturity starting to

1:08:55 > 1:08:59show through a bit more. That is only a good thing for us moving

1:08:59 > 1:09:04forward.The football World Cup is 85 days away and the battle for

1:09:04 > 1:09:09places is hotting up for England, in particular in goal. Nick Pope was

1:09:09 > 1:09:13working as a milkman nine years ago having been released by Ipswich

1:09:13 > 1:09:17Town. Now he is battling it out for the number one spot in the England

1:09:17 > 1:09:24squad. His story is pretty impressive. Having been released at

1:09:24 > 1:09:2716, he had spelt outside before bully before joining Burnley. He

1:09:27 > 1:09:32only got his chance this is season because of an injury to Tom Heaton.

1:09:32 > 1:09:36He has been rewarded with an England call-up and could make his

1:09:36 > 1:09:39international debut in the forthcoming friendlies with the

1:09:39 > 1:09:43Netherlands and Italy. If you are questioning a fee is the right pick

1:09:43 > 1:09:46for the World Cup, he says he is a safe pair of hands having never

1:09:46 > 1:09:55dropped a bottle on Isobel Grant. -- on his milk round.No, I was clean!

1:09:55 > 1:10:00I were on a float. Electric.What is the best thing about being an

1:10:00 > 1:10:07England player?Can I call myself that if I have not played? OK! I

1:10:07 > 1:10:15think it's just the honour, really. Obviously the moment from Thursday,

1:10:15 > 1:10:19being around people who've been there from the start, people who

1:10:19 > 1:10:22have travelled the journey with me, to share with them was something I

1:10:22 > 1:10:27will never forget. We wonder if that story will

1:10:27 > 1:10:32continue, of course. It would be pretty impressive if he does get

1:10:32 > 1:10:38selected for those friendlies. Lots of competition. The women's

1:10:38 > 1:10:39Champions League continues tonight. Manchester City and Chelsea in

1:10:39 > 1:10:49action. City host Linkopings. In the WS -- WSL they are second behind

1:10:49 > 1:10:52Chelsea, who play Montpellier tonight. If both teams progress, it

1:10:52 > 1:10:56would be the first time to British clubs have reached the semifinals of

1:10:56 > 1:11:01the competition. We have done our homework on them

1:11:01 > 1:11:05and we know they are a really good team. They have dominated Swedish

1:11:05 > 1:11:09football for a while. It will be a big game. Tough opponents. It will

1:11:09 > 1:11:13be nice to have a home game. We played a wafer about ten games in a

1:11:13 > 1:11:18row. It has been hard put to the home support, we have great

1:11:18 > 1:11:21supporters, great fans, and we love having them at home.

1:11:21 > 1:11:24Yeah, excited. Just one of two big games later.

1:11:24 > 1:11:32Now back to you. Let me bring you this news. Pope Francis is going to

1:11:32 > 1:11:36visit Ireland for six days in August. That news just reaching us.

1:11:36 > 1:11:44He will head to Ireland for six days this summer.

1:11:44 > 1:11:47The number of women using donated eggs to try

1:11:47 > 1:11:49and get pregnant has risen sharply in the past 10 years,

1:11:49 > 1:11:50latest figures show.

1:11:50 > 1:11:53In 2006, 1,912 women had IVF using a donor egg

1:11:53 > 1:11:58instead of their own - by 2016 that had risen 59% to 3,924.

1:11:58 > 1:12:00The Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority say

1:12:00 > 1:12:06the rise is down to a greater awareness of donation

1:12:06 > 1:12:12as an option, more donors, and more same sex couples,

1:12:12 > 1:12:15single and older women using them - as well as a rise in the number

1:12:15 > 1:12:16of women donating their eggs.

1:12:16 > 1:12:19BBC Look North reporter Ali Fortescue has spent time

1:12:19 > 1:12:22with two women who have gone through both sides

1:12:22 > 1:12:25of the process.

1:12:29 > 1:12:34It is the greatest gift that any woman can give to another.

1:12:34 > 1:12:38It can be a lifelong commitment, but really, it's a drop in the ocean

1:12:38 > 1:12:40compared to what the couples have to go through to make

1:12:40 > 1:12:44their baby possible.

1:12:44 > 1:12:50The road to parenthood isn't always easy.

1:12:50 > 1:12:53In her late 30s, Amanda was told she could not have children.

1:12:53 > 1:12:55But six years and four rounds of IVF later,

1:12:55 > 1:12:57thanks to an egg donor, Amanda has given birth

1:12:57 > 1:13:02to her son, Max.

1:13:02 > 1:13:06I had him when I was 44 so I was a really late starter.

1:13:06 > 1:13:09Not for want of trying, because we tried for about five

1:13:09 > 1:13:12years to have a baby naturally, and it was not until we went down

1:13:12 > 1:13:15the IVF route that we found out that it was never going to happen

1:13:15 > 1:13:16for us.

1:13:16 > 1:13:20Which, as you can imagine, was devastating.

1:13:20 > 1:13:24I just think it's something that people expect.

1:13:24 > 1:13:26It's something you expect will happen at some point.

1:13:26 > 1:13:31I was never broody but when you get married and then your friends have

1:13:31 > 1:13:34kids and it's just not happening to you, it suddenly becomes the most

1:13:34 > 1:13:37important thing in your life.

1:13:37 > 1:13:39The only thing that you can focus on.

1:13:39 > 1:13:43For somebody to be able to give that gift to another woman,

1:13:43 > 1:13:48it's such a selfless act.

1:13:48 > 1:13:51It's like the ultimate selfless act that a woman can do is,

1:13:51 > 1:13:52she's made my family.

1:13:52 > 1:13:54She's made me a family.

1:13:54 > 1:13:55It's amazing.

1:13:55 > 1:13:57It's something that people take for granted.

1:13:57 > 1:14:00It's something that I've tried so hard to achieve

1:14:00 > 1:14:04and it is my greatest achievement, having him.

1:14:04 > 1:14:07But Amanda's story isn't unique.

1:14:07 > 1:14:11The number of women having children over 40 is at its highest

1:14:11 > 1:14:12level for 70 years.

1:14:12 > 1:14:16And more than half of those over the age of 45 having

1:14:16 > 1:14:18IVF use donated eggs, which may explain the rise

1:14:18 > 1:14:26of nearly 60% in the number of women using donor eggs for IVF since 2011.

1:14:27 > 1:14:30Meet Cathy, another mother, expecting her third child.

1:14:30 > 1:14:35But before starting a family of her own, she donated eggs five

1:14:35 > 1:14:39times to families that she'd never met.

1:14:39 > 1:14:42Somebody in my family had been struggling with infertility for many

1:14:42 > 1:14:45years, and I'd had a close friend who had had multiple

1:14:45 > 1:14:48miscarriages, so there was nothing I could do to help either of those

1:14:48 > 1:14:49friends and family members,

1:14:49 > 1:14:52but it was quite frustrating watching them go through this

1:14:52 > 1:14:54heartbreaking journey, and then there was a really kind

1:14:54 > 1:14:56of straightforward way for me to help other couples

1:14:56 > 1:15:01who were going through fertility battles of their own.

1:15:01 > 1:15:03What was the actual process like of donating your eggs?

1:15:03 > 1:15:05It was quite straightforward really.

1:15:05 > 1:15:08I just had some tests and they all came back fine.

1:15:08 > 1:15:11It was a case of matching my menstrual cycle with the couple

1:15:11 > 1:15:14I was helping, and then it was about two weeks of taking

1:15:14 > 1:15:18drugs and having eggs collected at the end of that.

1:15:18 > 1:15:21A lot of people think that because you are doing the first half

1:15:21 > 1:15:23of an IVF cycle it's very gruelling on the body,

1:15:23 > 1:15:26pumping yourself full of hormones, but I think for a couple

1:15:26 > 1:15:29going through IVF themselves, yes, it's a gruelling process,

1:15:29 > 1:15:33because hormones can send you a bit doolally.

1:15:33 > 1:15:36But when you are an egg donor, you have got a vested interest

1:15:36 > 1:15:38in helping somebody, and usually it's a couple

1:15:38 > 1:15:41you don't even know.

1:15:41 > 1:15:44But at the end of the day, if it doesn't work out,

1:15:44 > 1:15:45then you have still tried to help.

1:15:45 > 1:15:48I don't think it's nearly as hard being an egg donor

1:15:48 > 1:15:51and going through an IVF cycle as it is being a couple

1:15:51 > 1:15:55and desperately wanting a child.

1:15:55 > 1:15:59Do you ever find it strange that in a sense, some of your children

1:15:59 > 1:16:03are out there and you don't really know them?

1:16:03 > 1:16:05I don't see it like that at all.

1:16:05 > 1:16:09I did most of my cycles in my 20s and 30s when I was mostly single,

1:16:09 > 1:16:13and really for me, each month I was going to be losing an egg,

1:16:13 > 1:16:15I wasn't going to be doing anything with that egg

1:16:15 > 1:16:17at so it was going to be a waste.

1:16:17 > 1:16:20It wasn't like I looked down the toilet I thought,

1:16:20 > 1:16:21that's a potential child I've flushed away.

1:16:21 > 1:16:24So I think, for me, what I was giving was something

1:16:24 > 1:16:27I wasn't using in my own life.

1:16:27 > 1:16:29Whereas if you give blood, if I give a pint of blood,

1:16:29 > 1:16:33then I feel it for a few days because that is something I do need

1:16:33 > 1:16:35in my body and I will replicate it again.

1:16:35 > 1:16:38I didn't feel like I was giving anything away that I was

1:16:38 > 1:16:39going to use for myself.

1:16:39 > 1:16:42So why do women donate their eggs?

1:16:42 > 1:16:44With nothing beyond £750 compensation, it is thought many do

1:16:44 > 1:16:49it as a simple gesture of goodwill.

1:16:49 > 1:16:52People who receive eggs are amazed that other women want to give them,

1:16:52 > 1:16:55but that is because at the end of their process they get this

1:16:55 > 1:17:02amazing baby, but for somebody who's giving eggs, it's...

1:17:02 > 1:17:05I mean, it's an involved process and it's a commitment, and obviously,

1:17:05 > 1:17:07it can be a lifelong commitment.

1:17:07 > 1:17:09But really, it's a drop in the ocean compared

1:17:09 > 1:17:11to what the couples have to go through to make

1:17:11 > 1:17:12their babies possible.

1:17:12 > 1:17:18Donor children are allowed to contact their biological parent

1:17:18 > 1:17:20at 18, but knowing Max isn't born from her egg has never

1:17:20 > 1:17:21bothered Amanda.

1:17:21 > 1:17:24It takes more than genetics to be a mum.

1:17:24 > 1:17:27I carried him, I nurtured him, I have given birth to him.

1:17:27 > 1:17:29I'm the one who gets up in the middle of the night.

1:17:29 > 1:17:31He's my son.

1:17:31 > 1:17:34The hope is that more donor eggs will mean more families like this

1:17:34 > 1:17:41and more men and women given a chance to become a parent.

1:17:46 > 1:17:48Joining us now, Sapphire Fielding who has donated her eggs four times.

1:17:48 > 1:17:55She also has four children of her own.

1:17:55 > 1:17:58As is Maxine, who received an egg donation from a friend when she

1:17:58 > 1:17:59had problems with conceiving.

1:17:59 > 1:18:01She now has a four-year-old son called Jake.

1:18:01 > 1:18:06Thank you for speaking to us. Sapphire, what made you want to

1:18:06 > 1:18:14donate your eggs not just once but four times?When I had people in my

1:18:14 > 1:18:21life who have struggled with infertility, I'm a blood donor and a

1:18:21 > 1:18:27marrow donor and it seemed like I could help these people who were

1:18:27 > 1:18:31like the people in my life. So I went looking for a way of going

1:18:31 > 1:18:40about it. And they made such a magical process. You know it is a

1:18:40 > 1:18:44good thing that you're doing but hearing stories of people who have

1:18:44 > 1:18:49struggled with infertility that are not close to you, if you could

1:18:49 > 1:18:55bottle the feeling from egg donation, it is a magical, warm

1:18:55 > 1:19:02feeling. Knowing you are help somebody create what I already have

1:19:02 > 1:19:07with Mike four children, I would wish it for everybody if I could. --

1:19:07 > 1:19:11my four children.And it was your chance to have your little boy?It

1:19:11 > 1:19:20was, I started my IVF treatment just before I was 40. I had been pregnant

1:19:20 > 1:19:25naturally a couple of times and unfortunately resulted in

1:19:25 > 1:19:34difficulties. That was the previous, I had the ectopic pregnancy. I met

1:19:34 > 1:19:38my partner and want to start a family and nothing was happening so

1:19:38 > 1:19:45we went to the GP and got referred and I was told I needed donor eggs.

1:19:45 > 1:19:48At the time I was pregnant naturally but did not know that at the time

1:19:48 > 1:19:54and that resulted in an ectopic pregnancy again so I had to go down

1:19:54 > 1:20:01the donation route.And you got a friend to donate an egg?I did, a

1:20:01 > 1:20:08close family friend donated for me. Several people had offered

1:20:08 > 1:20:12previously but change their mind and that is absolutely fine. It is

1:20:12 > 1:20:18amazing thing for somebody to even offer to do. We went down the IDF

1:20:18 > 1:20:25process and we just got the one legged -- IVF. That resulted in my

1:20:25 > 1:20:31little boy, Jake.He is gorgeous! A lot of people watching will have a

1:20:31 > 1:20:35million questions to both of you about the process and going forward

1:20:35 > 1:20:40what it means. You have given an incredible gift to four people and

1:20:40 > 1:20:45you have your little boy and nobody would argue with that. Sapphire, do

1:20:45 > 1:20:49you ever think, I have four of my own children but there are four them

1:20:49 > 1:20:57there and I don't know them, who they are and where they are?No

1:20:57 > 1:21:02because I haven't given birth to that child. The way I look at what I

1:21:02 > 1:21:07have donated, I have given somebody a seed and that's it. I don't know

1:21:07 > 1:21:17chit, help it grow from feel every movement inside, I am just giving

1:21:17 > 1:21:23that away. Although biologically we are kind of connected, that child

1:21:23 > 1:21:28has nothing really to do with me, that is a mum's job to be the month.

1:21:28 > 1:21:34I don't look at it as I have a child somewhere else, that is not how it

1:21:34 > 1:21:39feels and how it is. It is somebody else's child and I helped with the

1:21:39 > 1:21:40DNA also when they

1:21:44 > 1:21:52-- when the child turns 18, do they have rights to know who you are? You

1:21:52 > 1:21:57can write a letter before you donate your eggs and give a description

1:21:57 > 1:22:00about yourself and why you wanted to donate. They are allowed to read

1:22:00 > 1:22:08that at 18. I suppose they could come and look for you, but the way

1:22:08 > 1:22:12that a child born through egg donation, they are always brought up

1:22:12 > 1:22:16knowing that this is such a normal part of them, this is how they were

1:22:16 > 1:22:23made, I can't see them looking for a part of DNA because that's their

1:22:23 > 1:22:27mum. I'm nothing to do with that, I am literally just an egg. I did not

1:22:27 > 1:22:34have any part, like in an adoption, if you adopt a child, there is a

1:22:34 > 1:22:38part of you somewhere else out there. It's not the same with egg

1:22:38 > 1:22:44donation at all in my opinion.I can see you're getting quite emotional,

1:22:44 > 1:22:51Maxine.I just think it is a totally overwhelming experience and it is

1:22:51 > 1:22:59the most amazing gift that anybody could ever receive. It's just such a

1:22:59 > 1:23:04selfless act and to be able to be a mum to a beautiful little boy is the

1:23:04 > 1:23:11best thing ever. Without the help of ladies like Sapphire, people like me

1:23:11 > 1:23:16would not be able to be mums.This might be a strange question but it

1:23:16 > 1:23:21crossed my mind earlier, the pack your friend had donated an egg, does

1:23:21 > 1:23:26she ever have any say in the upbringing? Does she ever go, why

1:23:26 > 1:23:32are you doing that with Jake?Not at all. We have a close relationship,

1:23:32 > 1:23:38not in each other's pockets, I am godmother to her little boy and she

1:23:38 > 1:23:45is godmother to Jake and we are there were each other if need be.

1:23:46 > 1:23:48there were each other if need be. We will work around at the time when we

1:23:48 > 1:23:52need to tell them but now we carry on with our normal lives. We are

1:23:52 > 1:24:00always there for one another. The lady that did it stays just amazing.

1:24:00 > 1:24:03Thank you for speaking to us this morning, I'm grateful to you for

1:24:03 > 1:24:05sharing your stories.

1:24:06 > 1:24:08The government is expected to announce a significant pay rise

1:24:08 > 1:24:11for almost all NHS staff in England, apart from doctors.

1:24:14 > 1:24:20Norman Smith can tell us more. What do we know about the deal?We know

1:24:20 > 1:24:26it is a big deal and likely to cost around £4 billion and that will mean

1:24:26 > 1:24:32an average increase for NHS staff of around 6.5% over the next three

1:24:32 > 1:24:37years. The significance is that it is way above the public sector pay

1:24:37 > 1:24:43cap of 1% per year and seems to mark the death knell of the public sector

1:24:43 > 1:24:47pay cap which nurses and others in the public sector have had to endure

1:24:47 > 1:24:54for eight years, two years of the pay freeze and six years of the cap

1:24:54 > 1:24:58so they have seen their wages pressed down. Now they get this

1:24:58 > 1:25:04three-year deal, 3% this year, to present the following year and 1% in

1:25:04 > 1:25:10the final year. The interesting thing, most of the money will go to

1:25:10 > 1:25:17the lowest paid in the NHS. There will be rises for those on band one,

1:25:17 > 1:25:25the worst paid, people like cleaners and porters, some of them will get

1:25:25 > 1:25:35up to 29% over three years, a whopping rise. There will also be a

1:25:35 > 1:25:39rise in starting salaries for those coming into the NHS. To give you a

1:25:39 > 1:25:46sense of what it means in real money, for some porters earning

1:25:46 > 1:25:51around 15,000, their salaries will go up to nearly 20,000 so a really

1:25:51 > 1:25:56big increase for them. The other interesting thing is that this is

1:25:56 > 1:26:02money which the NHS is not going to have to magic up, it is coming from

1:26:02 > 1:26:08the Treasury and why that matters is because previous increases for the

1:26:08 > 1:26:14public sector, four example for the police who got 1.7%, they had to pay

1:26:14 > 1:26:18for that largely by finding the money themselves which caused a lot

1:26:18 > 1:26:23of anger among chief constables. This is a big cheese moment not just

1:26:23 > 1:26:27in terms of those who work in the NHS and particular the lowest paid

1:26:27 > 1:26:33but also in terms of austerity and the public sector pay cap.And is it

1:26:33 > 1:26:38clear if this is going to be accepted? It has been a long-running

1:26:38 > 1:26:42dispute.What was interesting was that this morning I was talking to

1:26:42 > 1:26:49some of the union people and I expect them to say, yes, it is

1:26:49 > 1:26:55-- is 6.5% but there is this and that but not a bit of it. They are

1:26:55 > 1:27:00pretty enthusiastic about what they have got and I think we'll recommend

1:27:00 > 1:27:03it to their members. They are not unhappy about the deal they have

1:27:03 > 1:27:10been offered. I suppose the question that follows is where does the money

1:27:10 > 1:27:14come from all the £4 billion is a lot of money when we are still

1:27:14 > 1:27:18borrowing a lot of money and when we have average debt for every

1:27:18 > 1:27:25household I think the Chancellor said of £65,000 so we borrowing an

1:27:25 > 1:27:29awful lot of money but the government has 4 billion more to

1:27:29 > 1:27:33give to nurses. Bear in mind that teachers would be saying that they

1:27:33 > 1:27:37want extra money as well and all of the public sector will be knocking

1:27:37 > 1:27:41on the door of the Treasury to say, if you're giving it to the NHS, what

1:27:41 > 1:27:45about us? The extra bill is likely to be more and that raises questions

1:27:45 > 1:27:51about what is going on in terms of government thinking. My take is they

1:27:51 > 1:27:55concluded that people feel we can't go on any longer with this sort of

1:27:55 > 1:28:01austerity, that austerity fatigue has bedded in and we have reached

1:28:01 > 1:28:08the outer limits with eight years of pay restraint.Thank you, Norman.

1:28:08 > 1:28:12Let's talk to John Williams, who's an A&E Nurse.

1:28:12 > 1:28:13He earns around £30,000.

1:28:13 > 1:28:15We've agreed not to identify the hospital he works at.

1:28:15 > 1:28:17And Fiona Johnson, who's from the independent

1:28:17 > 1:28:20health care charity, the Nuffield Trust.

1:28:20 > 1:28:27Thank you Paul speaking to us. John, are you happy with what has been put

1:28:27 > 1:28:35on the table?It is very welcome to receive this pay rise and that that

1:28:35 > 1:28:39those on the lower end of the scale are being rewarded. We worked

1:28:39 > 1:28:46incredibly hard on it he paces and are very much deserving of the rise

1:28:46 > 1:28:51-- on a daily basis.Do you think it is a good deal, Fiona?It is

1:28:51 > 1:28:56important there is a recognition we could not go on like this. The NHS

1:28:56 > 1:29:00is not the NHS without its staff and we have a massive problem of

1:29:00 > 1:29:04recruitment and retention with 100,000 vacancies soak a step in the

1:29:04 > 1:29:10right direction to in the eight years of pay restraint -- so a step.

1:29:10 > 1:29:14Do you think it will be accepted and moved forward quickly? It has been

1:29:14 > 1:29:18going on for a long time.I am not part of the negotiations but one of

1:29:18 > 1:29:22the crucial thing is if there is additional money coming in. The NHS

1:29:22 > 1:29:27could not afford to shoulder the extra £4 billion themselves because

1:29:27 > 1:29:31they have massive deficit is already so the Pledge made by the Chancellor

1:29:31 > 1:29:36seems to be coming through and that is really important for a

1:29:36 > 1:29:38hard-pressed NHS.What difference will this money make to staff

1:29:38 > 1:29:44working in the fund line and particularly the people like the

1:29:44 > 1:29:49porters and the lower paid staff? Is it likely more people will stay in

1:29:49 > 1:29:53the NHS instead of the droves leaving that we have seen?I would

1:29:53 > 1:29:59certainly hope that was true. It is very welcoming for the lower paid to

1:29:59 > 1:30:05have this large increase. I do worry about the staff who have been

1:30:05 > 1:30:08serving for a long time, from what I gather there will not be a huge

1:30:08 > 1:30:12increase in their wages. To be realistic, this pay rise over three

1:30:12 > 1:30:17years is not in line with inflation so it is still not a huge pay rise

1:30:17 > 1:30:23and in real terms it is perceived as a pay cut again.I guess many people

1:30:23 > 1:30:26are watching this in the private sector would say that their pay is

1:30:26 > 1:30:30not going up in line with inflation as well, it is tricky for everybody.

1:30:30 > 1:30:36It is, and it is worth remembering that the NHS has been cutting costs

1:30:36 > 1:30:40every year and probably around £2.5 billion of what it has managed to

1:30:40 > 1:30:45save recently is accounted for by staff before going salary increases.

1:30:45 > 1:30:50NHS staff have had to do their bit to keep costs down. And times are

1:30:50 > 1:30:59tough for everybody.Thank you for coming in.

1:30:59 > 1:31:00Still to come...

1:31:00 > 1:31:02Tens of thousands of grandparents looking after their grandchildren

1:31:02 > 1:31:05are missing out on a little known tax perk which can boost

1:31:05 > 1:31:11their State Pension by hundreds of pounds a year.

1:31:11 > 1:31:17And after Ant McPartlin's arrest on suspicion of drink-driving, what

1:31:17 > 1:31:22next for Ant and Dec's TV partnership?

1:31:22 > 1:31:24Time for the latest news - here's Joanna.

1:31:24 > 1:31:27More than a million NHS staff are poised for a pay rise,

1:31:27 > 1:31:30with a deal that could be worth as much as £4 billion

1:31:30 > 1:31:31being announced by lunchtime today.

1:31:31 > 1:31:33The BBC understands that health bosses and unions have

1:31:33 > 1:31:36reached an agreement that will mark an end to a seven-year cap

1:31:36 > 1:31:38and boost the salaries of workers including nurses,

1:31:38 > 1:31:44porters and paramedics, but not doctors.

1:31:44 > 1:31:46Facebook will be questioned by politicians

1:31:46 > 1:31:49in Washington today, as the company comes under growing

1:31:49 > 1:31:52pressure to explain how data from 50 million users was used

1:31:52 > 1:31:55by a British company during the US presidential election.

1:31:55 > 1:31:58It's alleged that Cambridge Analytica used the data

1:31:58 > 1:32:00to target voters and influence the election outcome.

1:32:00 > 1:32:03That company's chief executive, Alexander Nix, has been suspended.

1:32:03 > 1:32:08Both firms deny any wrongdoing.

1:32:08 > 1:32:11Police in the United States say the suspect

1:32:11 > 1:32:14in a series of bombings in Texas has died after blowing himself up.

1:32:14 > 1:32:16Five devices have detonated so far this month

1:32:16 > 1:32:17and killed two people.

1:32:17 > 1:32:24A sixth parcel bomb was intercepted before it exploded.

1:32:24 > 1:32:26As members of the Austin police Department SWAT team

1:32:26 > 1:32:32approached the vehicle, the suspect detonated

1:32:32 > 1:32:35a bomb inside the vehicle, knocking one of our SWAT officers back.

1:32:35 > 1:32:40One of our SWAT officers fired at the suspect as well.

1:32:40 > 1:32:42The suspect is deceased and has significant

1:32:42 > 1:32:44injuries from a blast that occurred from detonating a bomb inside

1:32:44 > 1:32:51his vehicle.

1:32:51 > 1:32:53Unemployment rose by 24,000 to 1.45 million

1:32:53 > 1:32:55in the three months to January.

1:32:55 > 1:32:58It was the second month in a row to show an increase.

1:32:58 > 1:33:00However, the rate of unemployment was down

1:33:00 > 1:33:04slightly, from 4.4% to 4.3%.

1:33:04 > 1:33:10Average earnings including bonuses rose by 2.8% in the same period.

1:33:10 > 1:33:13Reports from Nigeria say that Boko Haram militants have

1:33:13 > 1:33:15returned 76 schoolgirls abducted from Dapchi

1:33:15 > 1:33:21in the northeast of the country over a month ago.

1:33:21 > 1:33:22110 schoolgirls were abducted from their secondary school

1:33:22 > 1:33:23in February.

1:33:23 > 1:33:25It's feared at least five students may have died.

1:33:25 > 1:33:27Eyewitnesses said a convoy of vehicles dropped the students off

1:33:27 > 1:33:33before driving away immediately.

1:33:33 > 1:33:40That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

1:33:40 > 1:33:44Thank you. Let me read you this message which is come into us. We

1:33:44 > 1:33:49were talking about painkiller addiction earlier. A couple of

1:33:49 > 1:33:52people sharing their experiences. They were critical of GPs and how

1:33:52 > 1:33:57easily they were handing it out. One guest said it was as easy as handing

1:33:57 > 1:34:03out sweets. This text is quite long. "I'm A practising GP of 17 years and

1:34:03 > 1:34:08I'm sure there is a massive problem with dependency to prescribe drugs.

1:34:08 > 1:34:13However, this GP bashing agenda is quite frankly scandalous. Patients

1:34:13 > 1:34:16need to take some responsibility for their actions. Falsely claiming to

1:34:16 > 1:34:20be in pain when they are not is a conscious decision the patient has

1:34:20 > 1:34:26made in an attempt to falsely obtained medications. I would

1:34:26 > 1:34:29welcome a ban on prescribing many of these drugs if GPs are not

1:34:29 > 1:34:36competent. I would direct these patients to specialist painkillers.

1:34:36 > 1:34:39However, the patients currently wait several months to be seen. How is

1:34:39 > 1:34:43this additional demand going to be met? Who will deal with the patient

1:34:43 > 1:34:48while they're waiting months, not the incompetent GP, surely? The

1:34:48 > 1:34:50general public have no real understanding of the pressures of

1:34:50 > 1:34:55the NHS, and your is simply attributing responsibility for the

1:34:55 > 1:35:02failings of society to GPs, were quite frankly getting setup as

1:35:02 > 1:35:07reflected in the massive problems with recruitment." Your experiences

1:35:07 > 1:35:11welcome. Whether you are a GP, you work in the health service or you

1:35:11 > 1:35:12have an addiction to painkillers yourself.

1:35:12 > 1:35:13Share your stories with us.

1:35:13 > 1:35:18Here's some sport now with John.

1:35:18 > 1:35:22Good morning again. Scotland are eyeing a place at next year's

1:35:22 > 1:35:26Cricket World Cup. If they beat West Indies in Zimbabwe this morning, a

1:35:26 > 1:35:32place is theirs. They restricted West Indies to 117-6 this morning.

1:35:32 > 1:35:38Jason Holder was the last wicket to fall for just 12 runs. For England,

1:35:38 > 1:35:41with the test series against New Zealand starting on Thursday,

1:35:41 > 1:35:46Captain Joe Root says the return of Ben Stokes is a huge boost. He will

1:35:46 > 1:35:52play his first Redbook rigger for six months. Nick Pope will hope that

1:35:52 > 1:35:54he can impress England manager Gareth Southgate in forthcoming

1:35:54 > 1:36:00friendlies with the Netherlands and Italy. Nine years after he was

1:36:00 > 1:36:08released by Ipswich, he took place in a milk round. Places in the men's

1:36:08 > 1:36:14squad are up for grabs. Two English teams could reach the semifinals of

1:36:14 > 1:36:18the women's champions Victor An Manchester City and Chelsea can come

1:36:18 > 1:36:23through their quarterfinal ties. The first legs play tonight. City play

1:36:23 > 1:36:29Linkopings and Chelsea face Montpellier. That is all this board

1:36:29 > 1:36:31for now. Back to you. Thank you.

1:36:31 > 1:36:32Tens of thousands of grandparents who look

1:36:32 > 1:36:34after their grandchildren are missing out on a little

1:36:34 > 1:36:37known tax perk which can boost their state pension

1:36:37 > 1:36:38by hundreds of pounds a year.

1:36:38 > 1:36:41The number of families claiming the credit has increased

1:36:41 > 1:36:45from about 1,000 to 9,000 over the past year but up

1:36:45 > 1:36:48to 90,000 are eligible.

1:36:48 > 1:36:50We can talk now to Caren Satter in North London

1:36:50 > 1:36:52who looks after her grandchildren on Wednesdays so her

1:36:52 > 1:36:58daughter is able to work.

1:36:58 > 1:37:00And Mandy Phillips, who looks after her two young

1:37:00 > 1:37:08grandchildren part-time as both her daughters-in-law work.

1:37:09 > 1:37:12How old are the grandchildren you look after, Karen? How difficult is

1:37:12 > 1:37:20it?My grandson is five and a half and he is at school now. And my

1:37:20 > 1:37:25grand daughter, Megan, is too. Recently she has gone to nursery. As

1:37:25 > 1:37:30soon as I have finished with you, I will be picking her up, then I will

1:37:30 > 1:37:34bring her home and look after her for the rest of the afternoon until

1:37:34 > 1:37:38her mum comes home. How difficult is it? It is not difficult at all. It

1:37:38 > 1:37:43is wonderful. It is my pleasure. I love it. I couldn't wait for them to

1:37:43 > 1:37:47be old enough to be left with me. I'm excited to hear there might be a

1:37:47 > 1:37:52little bit of money that I can recycle, so I will probably go and

1:37:52 > 1:37:59buy some presents with it. It is a never-ending story. You bring of

1:37:59 > 1:38:07yours, you still -- you bring up there's.Mandy, are you at

1:38:07 > 1:38:14hairdressers?I am. I'm working as I speak.Tell me about your

1:38:14 > 1:38:19grandchildren. You look after them on a regular basis?Yes, every week.

1:38:19 > 1:38:24One of them is at school until three. I pick her up at three. The

1:38:24 > 1:38:30other one is a nursery until three but I pick her up at 2:30pm so I can

1:38:30 > 1:38:37get the other 143 o'clock.And you work. That has to be exhausting?No.

1:38:37 > 1:38:42I am a hairdresser. I take them both from, I feed them and I bathe them.

1:38:42 > 1:38:50One of my daughter-in-law is comes and she takes her home at about six

1:38:50 > 1:38:53o'clock. The other one stays with me overnight. I then have all day

1:38:53 > 1:38:57Tuesday because I don't work Tuesday. Her mum comes at six

1:38:57 > 1:39:01o'clock the following night. It is really Monday and Tuesday.I wonder

1:39:01 > 1:39:05if you think it is fair that you are effectively bringing up your

1:39:05 > 1:39:10grandchildren? I don't mean totally bringing them up. My generation of

1:39:10 > 1:39:17working mums, a lot of people rely on support of parents, don't they?

1:39:17 > 1:39:25They do. I have got friends whose children, many girls, who have

1:39:25 > 1:39:29virtually got full-time jobs. They are professional girls. They are

1:39:29 > 1:39:35working four to five days a week. I've got a friend with four

1:39:35 > 1:39:39grandchildren. She is in her 70s. She does more now as more

1:39:39 > 1:39:43grandchildren have been born, I won't say more than she did with her

1:39:43 > 1:39:47own children, would she is certainly under a lot of pressure. And she is

1:39:47 > 1:39:51actually a widow. She is under a lot of pressure. It is quite exhausting.

1:39:51 > 1:39:54I think she loves it but by the end of the week she is tired because she

1:39:54 > 1:40:01is doing her childcare job. We are not the age we should be bringing up

1:40:01 > 1:40:06children. You are supposed to be in your 30s, 40s. It will be

1:40:06 > 1:40:11interesting with your donation ladies, who are having Leyds

1:40:11 > 1:40:13donations, they may not have somebody grandparents to help them

1:40:13 > 1:40:19because we may not be there.I'm in my 40s. I'm an exhausted working

1:40:19 > 1:40:24mum. I know how tired I get looking after my kids. That is why I asked

1:40:24 > 1:40:31the question. It is demanding, isn't it, Mandy?It is demanding. But when

1:40:31 > 1:40:36you are tired and raising your own children and working, it's a

1:40:36 > 1:40:44different kind of tiredness. I'm tired whilst I'm looking after them.

1:40:44 > 1:40:48Having two together helps. They play with each other. I just organise.

1:40:48 > 1:40:52Then choose to have got the other one. She's a good child, so it's not

1:40:52 > 1:40:58a problem. You enjoy doing it so much. On Tuesday they are gone.

1:40:58 > 1:41:03Although I do see them other times in the week, maybe Sunday, whatever,

1:41:03 > 1:41:08it is not continual. You do know it is finite. With your own children

1:41:08 > 1:41:12you are tired because it is relentless. This isn't. There is a

1:41:12 > 1:41:15reason why you have a special relationship with your

1:41:15 > 1:41:20grandchildren, and it is because it is not continuous. If I couldn't do

1:41:20 > 1:41:25it, I wouldn't.Does this news that you could be getting extra tax

1:41:25 > 1:41:29breaks that will amount to several hundred pounds a year, make a

1:41:29 > 1:41:34difference? Or do you do it for the love of it. I'm guessing by your

1:41:34 > 1:41:41face that you think no right us I can't believe we are getting a tax

1:41:41 > 1:41:48break.Money would be wonderful who would not like more money. If I

1:41:48 > 1:41:52wasn't working and there was no tax break, I would still do it. They are

1:41:52 > 1:41:57your grandkids. It's what you do. Thank you both for speaking to us.

1:41:57 > 1:42:03Don't work too hard at your hairdressers!Thank you.

1:42:03 > 1:42:04What next for Ant and Dec?

1:42:04 > 1:42:06It's almost impossible to imagine one without the other.

1:42:06 > 1:42:08The pair have been inseparable for years both professionally,

1:42:08 > 1:42:10as Britain's best-known presenting duo, and personally, through their

1:42:10 > 1:42:11longstanding friendship.

1:42:11 > 1:42:15There you are, that's it, Toff is our winner.

1:42:15 > 1:42:18I hope you've all enjoyed the past three weeks as much as we have.

1:42:18 > 1:42:21All that is left for us to say now though is, Toff,

1:42:21 > 1:42:24you are a celebrity and you're Queen of the Jungle.

1:42:24 > 1:42:25Get yourself out of here!

1:42:25 > 1:42:27Well done, Toff.

1:42:27 > 1:42:35CHEERING.

1:42:37 > 1:42:38A massive fan of yours, George.

1:42:38 > 1:42:40So excited you're on the show tonight.

1:42:40 > 1:42:43Not as excited as I am.

1:42:43 > 1:42:46I grew up watching this show, it's amazing, thank you very much.

1:42:46 > 1:42:47You grew up watching the show?

1:42:47 > 1:42:49LAUGHTER.

1:42:49 > 1:42:51I'll be honest, I'm starting to go off him.

1:42:51 > 1:42:53He's a little bit chatty, isn't he?

1:42:53 > 1:42:55Stick to the singing, son.

1:42:55 > 1:42:57He'll be back later for the end of the show.

1:42:57 > 1:43:00George Ezra, everybody.

1:43:01 > 1:43:04OK then, here we go.

1:43:04 > 1:43:12The winner of Britain's Got Talent 2017 is...

1:43:16 > 1:43:23Tokio Myers!

1:43:23 > 1:43:24Well done, Tokio!

1:43:24 > 1:43:34But following Ant McPartlin's arrest on suspicion of drink driving,

1:43:34 > 1:43:36his much publicised painkiller and alcohol addiction and his split

1:43:36 > 1:43:38from his wife, there are now fears for their future.

1:43:38 > 1:43:42We know Ant won't be returning to this year's series

1:43:42 > 1:43:45of Saturday Night Takeaway on ITV, and Dec Donnelly is now

1:43:45 > 1:43:48working out what to do with the rest of the series.

1:43:48 > 1:43:50So what could happen next for the pair?

1:43:50 > 1:43:52Someone who knows Ant well is Colman Hutchinson.

1:43:52 > 1:43:54He's a former executive producer of ITV's Who Wants To Be

1:43:54 > 1:43:57A Millionaire and Blind Date.

1:43:57 > 1:44:00With me is Sam Wolfson, editor of Vice UK.

1:44:00 > 1:44:03He's written extensively about the pair's on-screen friendship.

1:44:03 > 1:44:05In Stoke-on-Trent is Emma Jackson-Bowers who is a huge

1:44:05 > 1:44:07fan of their Saturday Night Takeaway programme.

1:44:07 > 1:44:15Her husband got a tattoo of both Ant and Dec.

1:44:17 > 1:44:22Emma, I have to start with you. Why has your husband got a tattoo of ant

1:44:22 > 1:44:27and deck?We want to enter the competition to try and win the kids

1:44:27 > 1:44:33a place on the plane. The trigger competition was published just after

1:44:33 > 1:44:37the show on Saturday night. It was the best thing we could think of to

1:44:37 > 1:44:41try and win a place.That his commitment to the cause. That is on

1:44:41 > 1:44:50his arm, is it?Is on his calf.What you make of what has happened to the

1:44:50 > 1:44:55partnership over the last few months, and the challenges that Ant

1:44:55 > 1:45:01McPartlin has been feeling? Do you feel sympathy?I do feel sympathy.

1:45:01 > 1:45:06He is going through a rough patch. Everybody goes through rough

1:45:06 > 1:45:11patches. With his addiction, the divorce from his wife, he is in a

1:45:11 > 1:45:21really bad place at the moment. As for ant and deck as a duo, I feel

1:45:21 > 1:45:25for Declan as well. This is through no fault of his own that it could

1:45:25 > 1:45:31possibly affect his career as well. I want to bring you in, Coleman. I

1:45:31 > 1:45:35know you know Ant McPartlin quite well. I'm interested in some of the

1:45:35 > 1:45:40comments made by celebrities on TV in recent days. Phillip Schofield

1:45:40 > 1:45:44has been supportive yet critical about obviously drink-driving. And

1:45:44 > 1:45:49also Piers Morgan saying this Ant McPartlin is not the guy he knows.

1:45:49 > 1:45:54Is he the guy you know?

1:45:54 > 1:45:59First of all I had to say don't know him well, I have only met him at

1:45:59 > 1:46:02functions and had a meeting so I don't know him personally so I

1:46:02 > 1:46:07wouldn't be able to say what I feel personally because I'm not a friend

1:46:07 > 1:46:12of his and I don't know him on a personal level, I have met him a few

1:46:12 > 1:46:17times.With regards to his future and you looking at this from an

1:46:17 > 1:46:22executive point of view, his future and the future for Ant and Dec is a

1:46:22 > 1:46:28huge brand for ITV?Absolutely, it is massive. I think the brand has

1:46:28 > 1:46:33been so perfect, they are loved by the nation, everybody thinks they

1:46:33 > 1:46:37are perfect and wonderful and suddenly there is a chink in the

1:46:37 > 1:46:42armour over the last 12 months. And I figured it is frightening. These

1:46:42 > 1:46:48things can come to an end very quickly. You look at Michael

1:46:48 > 1:46:51Barrymore, he was huge in his day and could do no wrong and everybody

1:46:51 > 1:46:55adored him and it was wonderful and suddenly a few things go wrong and

1:46:55 > 1:47:01it is all over. It is terribly worrying for them I think.

1:47:01 > 1:47:06Particularly, I feel for both of them but particularly for Dec. He

1:47:06 > 1:47:13has not been involved in any of this, it is not down to him, and his

1:47:13 > 1:47:18career is under threat because of the actions of Ant, which is

1:47:18 > 1:47:21difficult.Talk about that friendship, you have written a lot

1:47:21 > 1:47:26about how strong it is, they lived near each other, it is quite an

1:47:26 > 1:47:29incestuous relationship!They are very close, they go to each other's

1:47:29 > 1:47:32houses and have dinner and go on holiday together and have always

1:47:32 > 1:47:36said that if the key to the success that they are friends first and the

1:47:36 > 1:47:40career has come from that. That is why I think it is so difficult now

1:47:40 > 1:47:43because they have said in the past that they would not go on TV which

1:47:43 > 1:47:51out the other -- without the other. If Ant is out of this series of

1:47:51 > 1:47:55Saturday Night Takeaway and Britain's Got Talent, presumably

1:47:55 > 1:48:00that means Dec is out as well. It can quite quickly fall apart because

1:48:00 > 1:48:07they have never really had a hiatus from TV. Since Pop Idol in 2001 they

1:48:07 > 1:48:11have been on Saturday night prime time three shows a year pretty much

1:48:11 > 1:48:16constantly. I think it will be particularly challenging for them to

1:48:16 > 1:48:22talk about this in a way that can kind of work within their act and

1:48:22 > 1:48:25who they are.They handled it brilliantly on I'm A Celebrity

1:48:25 > 1:48:31because when Ant came back they make jokes about it and because they drew

1:48:31 > 1:48:38attention to it, it worked well also slightly different if you look at

1:48:38 > 1:48:43addiction to painkillers against potentially a drink-driving offence.

1:48:43 > 1:48:46They have tried it this time, a couple of jokes and move on and

1:48:46 > 1:48:51clearly that has not worked because there has been another incident. I

1:48:51 > 1:48:56don't want to speculate on whether it is a relapse or whatever but it

1:48:56 > 1:49:00is a serious incident and at this point I think for the first time

1:49:00 > 1:49:05ever they might have do drop the act and talk seriously about what has

1:49:05 > 1:49:10happened to regain that trust with viewers. And also to be good

1:49:10 > 1:49:14spokespeople for depression and mental health issues.How much of

1:49:14 > 1:49:18this decision will be down to them and how much will be taken out of

1:49:18 > 1:49:22their hands by ITV and by the advertisers?I think the decision

1:49:22 > 1:49:29will be taken out of their hands, because I feel that ITV, their sense

1:49:29 > 1:49:32would be that we cannot have him on television at the moment when he is

1:49:32 > 1:49:38under suspicion of this drink-driving. It is a family show,

1:49:38 > 1:49:43they are looked up to and admired. They are role models for young

1:49:43 > 1:49:48people. I think it would be very difficult even if he wanted to

1:49:48 > 1:49:53continue for him to continue at the moment while this hangs over him. As

1:49:53 > 1:49:57I said, they are role models and that is what they are seen as an

1:49:57 > 1:50:00they will have to overcome this somehow. I think it is too early to

1:50:00 > 1:50:07do that at the moment.As a fan, what is your take on this? Do you

1:50:07 > 1:50:12think it would be appropriate to seek Ant back on TV or do you think

1:50:12 > 1:50:15it is too serious an allegation which he is facing and therefore he

1:50:15 > 1:50:22has to step back?I would love to see Ant back on TV but I think for

1:50:22 > 1:50:27the moment he has made the right decision by stepping away from his

1:50:27 > 1:50:31work commitments and he needs to get himself sorted and take some time

1:50:31 > 1:50:35out to heal himself and get in a better place but I would like to see

1:50:35 > 1:50:42him back on TV. He is a big role model for most of the kids.I would

1:50:42 > 1:50:47like you to have a look at this if you can, because since we have been

1:50:47 > 1:50:53on air, a viewer who want is that Weight Ant and Dec has said Abbot

1:50:53 > 1:50:57Point impact it had on their young son -- who watches Ant and Dec.Why

1:50:57 > 1:51:03are you crying?Because Ant and Dec is not on any more.Whose fault is

1:51:03 > 1:51:13that?Ant's fault.It certainly is. Come on now, stop crying.I can't!

1:51:15 > 1:51:20It's hard to watch. That is the problem, they had to connect with

1:51:20 > 1:51:26their audience and if their audience is cross...I think so come they

1:51:26 > 1:51:31have a broad audience, it is not little kids, it is mums and grandads

1:51:31 > 1:51:35and everything and there is a lot of the audience who will have dealt

1:51:35 > 1:51:38with similar things that Ant is going through and it is about

1:51:38 > 1:51:41connecting with that group and be able to talk openly about these

1:51:41 > 1:51:46things. Obviously the priority has to be his health and the safety of

1:51:46 > 1:51:51others, drink-driving is a serious crime. I am sorry for that kid, it

1:51:51 > 1:51:57is upsetting, sad that we will miss Saturday Night Takeaway as lobber

1:51:57 > 1:52:02they have given it a go trying to prioritise being on TV -- as well.

1:52:02 > 1:52:10There was some talk on Twitter about whether Scarlett Moffatt from goggle

1:52:10 > 1:52:13boxed, she was on Saturday Night Takeaway on Saturday, if she should

1:52:13 > 1:52:21have sent -- on goggle box also would ITV entertain the thought of

1:52:21 > 1:52:30him presenting with somebody else?I think it would be a huge ask for her

1:52:30 > 1:52:34to co-host with Dec, it is not an easy job, they are hugely talented

1:52:34 > 1:52:37and skilled at what they do and have honed their skills over many years.

1:52:37 > 1:52:42I think it would be virtually impossible to get somebody like

1:52:42 > 1:52:44Scarlett Moffatt, talented though she is, she does not have that

1:52:44 > 1:52:48quality is because she does not have the experience. I cannot imagine

1:52:48 > 1:52:54being in a position to be able to co-host the show with Dec. I am sure

1:52:54 > 1:52:57there are others who would be capable, whether they would have the

1:52:57 > 1:53:06same chemistry...They could get Tapili back.

1:53:08 > 1:53:14Tapili back. -- Cat Deely. Thank you all for coming back.

1:53:14 > 1:53:16This morning we've been asking if there's enough

1:53:16 > 1:53:18help for people addicted to prescription painkillers?

1:53:18 > 1:53:21Nicki Hari told us her GP made an addict of her in prescribing

1:53:21 > 1:53:24them, but then had no idea how to help her dependency, which ended

1:53:24 > 1:53:25up lasting 25 years.

1:53:25 > 1:53:29It wasn't until I was 18 that I was put on very strong painkillers

1:53:29 > 1:53:32after having my appendix out.

1:53:32 > 1:53:34What were you put on?

1:53:34 > 1:53:36On codeine, Co-codamol, I was given tramadol and at the time

1:53:36 > 1:53:43I realised that I actually really liked that feeling.

1:53:43 > 1:53:46It was like being on a pink fluffy cloud, all of

1:53:46 > 1:53:52my worries and stresses went away and I just

1:53:52 > 1:53:54my worries and stresses went away and I just felt really

1:53:54 > 1:53:56relaxed about everything.

1:53:56 > 1:53:58The pain that I thought I had had disappeared so that's when

1:53:58 > 1:54:02it started.

1:54:02 > 1:54:07Obviously it didn't continue solidly until much later.

1:54:07 > 1:54:15Presumably you came off those drugs after you had the operation?

1:54:16 > 1:54:18Yes, I came off them and it wasn't until I got into rehab and I looked

1:54:18 > 1:54:22at my journey from start to finish, well, not finish because I haven't

1:54:22 > 1:54:24finished my journey yet, but I realised I could see a pattern

1:54:24 > 1:54:32forming on how I loved having the feeling of

1:54:33 > 1:54:35prescription painkillers.

1:54:35 > 1:54:37And it was very easy to manipulate the system.

1:54:37 > 1:54:41At the time the GPs were giving them out quite freely.

1:54:41 > 1:54:44I would go to my GP, say I'm in a lot of pain in and be

1:54:44 > 1:54:48given a tramadol repeat prescription for six months so I didn't even have

1:54:48 > 1:54:51to go to the GP and it doesn't take very long to become addicted,

1:54:51 > 1:54:59seven to ten days and you're hooked.

1:55:02 > 1:55:04We can speak now to some of our viewers who've got

1:55:04 > 1:55:05in touch this morning.

1:55:05 > 1:55:07Agnes is in Manchester - she's addicted to painkillers

1:55:07 > 1:55:11but says they're the only option to address her pain.

1:55:11 > 1:55:13Bob, who's in Doncaster - his twin brother was

1:55:13 > 1:55:16addicted to painkillers.

1:55:16 > 1:55:19And Jo is in Glastonbury - she says she tried to take her

1:55:19 > 1:55:23own life after being addicted to painkillers.

1:55:23 > 1:55:27Thank you for talking to us. Tell me about your situation and how you got

1:55:27 > 1:55:36there.I started when I was pregnant with my now 12-year-old daughter. I

1:55:36 > 1:55:43had slipped discs and I was given Co-codamol at first but had a bad

1:55:43 > 1:55:48reaction to it and two years after I was given tramadol. A few years ago

1:55:48 > 1:55:57in 2013 I became ill with CFS, chronic fatigue syndrome, and I

1:55:57 > 1:56:02experienced a lot of muscle pain and this was basically the only thing

1:56:02 > 1:56:08that helped me. I have been referred to pain clinic, fried gabapentin,

1:56:08 > 1:56:14this is the only thing apart from coming off which might GB has

1:56:14 > 1:56:18suggested to come off and just bear the pain but it is not easy to live

1:56:18 > 1:56:26with this type of pain.I want to bring in Bob. It was your twin

1:56:26 > 1:56:30brother who was addicted to painkillers?That's right.Tell us

1:56:30 > 1:56:36what happened.He was knocked off his bicycle cycling to work one

1:56:36 > 1:56:43morning, he taught maths in high school, and subsequently had an

1:56:43 > 1:56:48operation on his back which do not go well and he was left in a lot of

1:56:48 > 1:56:53pain. He was prescribed numerous drugs over quite a period of time

1:56:53 > 1:56:57but each time he was given a different description he was not

1:56:57 > 1:57:01allowed to come down off the previous drug properly -- different

1:57:01 > 1:57:07prescription. These basically just fried his brain I think any tried on

1:57:07 > 1:57:11a number of occasions to commit suicide and in the end he managed to

1:57:11 > 1:57:17do it.It is desperately sad and I am so sorry to hear that. I wanted

1:57:17 > 1:57:28to bring in Jo, tell me your experiences.I'm approaching 50. I

1:57:28 > 1:57:35was

1:57:35 > 1:57:42was put on, tranquillisers, in my 20s. The dose was going up because I

1:57:42 > 1:57:46was getting used to them and the doctor was giving me more. What I

1:57:46 > 1:57:49did not realise was one of the side-effects was depression and that

1:57:49 > 1:57:56led to me trying to take my own life when I was about 21. A couple of

1:57:56 > 1:58:06years later I was diagnosed with various pain issues and put on very

1:58:06 > 1:58:10strong opiate medication. This is an exact TV stories we have had

1:58:10 > 1:58:14throughout the programme.Thank you all very much for sharing your

1:58:14 > 1:58:20experiences this morning. Thank you for your company and all of the

1:58:20 > 1:58:24messages you have been sending to us, we do read them all. Have a

1:58:24 > 1:58:32lovely day. Thank you for your company.