:00:00. > :00:00.tour. And in Ukraine, the millionaire
:00:00. > :00:00.confectioner dream magnate Petro Poroshenko 's looks to have won the
:00:07. > :00:25.first round of presidential elections. `` confectionery magnate.
:00:26. > :00:31.Good morning, live from Westminster. The UK Independence
:00:32. > :00:35.Party's emphatic victory in the European elections has sent a jolt
:00:36. > :00:40.through the other political parties. With results from Northern Ireland
:00:41. > :00:44.and Scotland still to come in, Nigel Farage and UKIP have won 23 seats so
:00:45. > :00:49.far, increasing its presence in the European Parliament by ten MEPs. The
:00:50. > :00:53.games have come largely at the expense of the Lib Dems, who lost
:00:54. > :00:57.all but one of their seats. The Conservatives lost seven seats in
:00:58. > :01:04.Brussels, whilst the Labour Party has gained the same amount following
:01:05. > :01:09.a poor showing last time round. Will the results change the prodigal
:01:10. > :01:16.landscape? In 2009 the Conservatives held the biggest share, now UKIP
:01:17. > :01:20.dominates. Earlier, party's spokesman said UKIP could no longer
:01:21. > :01:33.be dismissed as a protest vote. When you have won, champagne tastes
:01:34. > :01:35.good even if there are no glasses around.
:01:36. > :01:41.This was the East of England, but UKIP are celebrating everywhere.
:01:42. > :01:44.The people's army of UKIP have spoken tonight and delivered just
:01:45. > :01:49.about the most extraordinary result that has been seen in British
:01:50. > :01:54.politics for 100 years, and I am proud to have led them to that.
:01:55. > :01:59.Contrast that to these phases of defeat. The Lib Dems have almost
:02:00. > :02:03.been wiped out. Neither the Labour Party nor the
:02:04. > :02:08.Tories had the backbone to stand up to you by Schmeichel to UKIP. We
:02:09. > :02:11.took the unpopular side of the argument that are being punished but
:02:12. > :02:14.I would do it all over again. Labour have beaten the
:02:15. > :02:20.Conservatives, but only narrowly. It is a result that will worry the
:02:21. > :02:23.party. Both they and the Tories are now wondering what on earth to do
:02:24. > :02:27.about UKIP. We will respond by making clear that
:02:28. > :02:31.we can fix the relationship between Britain and Europe, we can deliver
:02:32. > :02:41.real change and give people a say in a referendum.
:02:42. > :02:46.UKIP have been a symptom of people's disaffection with politics
:02:47. > :02:49.and they are using their vote in the European parliamentary elections to
:02:50. > :02:54.express their dissatisfaction with politics. This was the scene at
:02:55. > :02:59.Manchester town Hall as BNP leader Nick Griffin arrived.
:03:00. > :03:03.He later lost his seat. It is snaps like these that tell the
:03:04. > :03:09.story of the night. Smiling for a picture has never been easier for
:03:10. > :03:12.UKIP. We will be speaking to William
:03:13. > :03:16.Hague, who will be with me in a moment, but the Prime Minister, who
:03:17. > :03:23.has already been on the radio giving his reaction to last night's
:03:24. > :03:28.results, let us listen to that. I take a clear message from the
:03:29. > :03:31.elections, that people are deeply disaffected with the European Union,
:03:32. > :03:35.they do not feel the current arrangements are working well enough
:03:36. > :03:39.for Britain and want change. I would say that message, as far as I am
:03:40. > :03:42.concerned, is absolutely received and understood. We have to
:03:43. > :03:47.demonstrate we are the ones with a plan to start out this relationship
:03:48. > :03:52.and give able choice in or out by the end of 2017 in the referendum.
:03:53. > :03:57.`` to sort out this relationship. That is what we have to focus on.
:03:58. > :04:01.There are those, particularly at the sceptical end of your party, many of
:04:02. > :04:05.whom are really sympathetic to UKIP, that say the problem with
:04:06. > :04:10.where you are now is that people do not trust you to really deliver a
:04:11. > :04:14.fair referendum. For example, they say you will have a phoney
:04:15. > :04:17.renegotiation and recommend that we stay income and the public will be
:04:18. > :04:22.bounced into voting into staying in the EU. Can you give reassurance on
:04:23. > :04:25.that front to those in your party and supporting that will not
:04:26. > :04:29.happen? I want to see a genuine
:04:30. > :04:32.renegotiation. I have set out some of the things I want to achieve in
:04:33. > :04:36.that renegotiation, but in the end it will be for the British people to
:04:37. > :04:40.decide whether they want to stay in a reformed European Union on leave.
:04:41. > :04:46.My view is it is in the national interest to stay in the European
:04:47. > :04:49.Union and it does take time to get the renegotiation done and to
:04:50. > :04:57.convince people about how genuine it is owned and how guaranteed `` how
:04:58. > :05:00.genuine it it `` how genuine it is and how guaranteed we are to get a
:05:01. > :05:04.referendum. The real test will be when people have a choice, do you
:05:05. > :05:07.want David Cameron and the Conservatives that will give you
:05:08. > :05:12.that referendum, or do you want Ed Miliband and labour who want the
:05:13. > :05:16.status quo in Europe to continue? I think that lies behind why Labour
:05:17. > :05:20.did so badly last night, they had so little to say about Europe, they try
:05:21. > :05:23.to talk about other things the rather than respect the voters and
:05:24. > :05:27.doc about the issues we were voting on.
:05:28. > :05:29.That was the Prime Minister in the last half hour.
:05:30. > :05:34.Let's speak to William Hague, who is with me. Good morning.
:05:35. > :05:37.Good morning. A pretty full set of results, when was the last time the
:05:38. > :05:42.Conservatives finished third in a national poll?
:05:43. > :05:46.It is an unusual set of results. It has not happened before that the
:05:47. > :05:49.fourth party wins a nationwide election, however from the
:05:50. > :05:54.conservative point of view we are only about 3% down on where we were
:05:55. > :05:58.five years ago. The governing party has always lost these elections for
:05:59. > :06:02.30 years, the official opposition have usually done much better than
:06:03. > :06:05.Labour have done, so I think these are creditable results from the
:06:06. > :06:10.Conservative's point of view, but UKIP have one and across Europe
:06:11. > :06:13.there is a deep disillusionment with the European Union. That message has
:06:14. > :06:17.to be heard loud and clear in Brussels.
:06:18. > :06:20.What are you going to do about that? You have tried ignoring UKIP,
:06:21. > :06:27.insulting them, aping them, what will you do?
:06:28. > :06:29.This is about the voters and their decision...
:06:30. > :06:32.But you cannot carry on as if nothing has happened.
:06:33. > :06:36.We have to make it clear that when it comes to a general election, it
:06:37. > :06:41.is not a free hit as the European election has been described by UKIP
:06:42. > :06:44.themselves. In that choice, it is the Conservative Party that offers a
:06:45. > :06:51.referendum on Europe. The other parties are against that...
:06:52. > :06:54.But in the local elections? In the local elections the
:06:55. > :06:58.Conservative Party was up on the previous year, and for a government
:06:59. > :07:03.in power it was a good set of results. By any previous comparison
:07:04. > :07:07.of local elections to general elections, it is the Labour Party
:07:08. > :07:11.that has a terrible set of results. We have two votes ahead of the
:07:12. > :07:16.general election. Your colleague, David Davis, said
:07:17. > :07:21.your policy on the referendum lacks clarity and credibility.
:07:22. > :07:22.Why do you not bring it forward to 2016?
:07:23. > :07:25.The whole point is to have a referendum when we are clear about a
:07:26. > :07:30.new relationship with Europe. That will take some time to
:07:31. > :07:34.negotiate, when the Conservative government is elected next year that
:07:35. > :07:38.has to be negotiated, a Europe that is more flexible, more democratic,
:07:39. > :07:42.lest centralised... Butterfat is that lack of clarity.
:07:43. > :07:47.Give me three clear things you plan to negotiate in terms of powers?
:07:48. > :07:50.We have already given example is a red cards for parliaments, National
:07:51. > :07:58.Power is a red cards for parliaments, national stop the union
:07:59. > :08:00.applying to the UK, being able to tighten up on so`called benefit
:08:01. > :08:03.tourism and abuse of the welfare system.
:08:04. > :08:08.These are among the things we like to see in Europe changed, and then
:08:09. > :08:14.we will have a referendum. You talk of abuses, but immigration,
:08:15. > :08:18.Nigel Farage is right ` there is fundamentally nothing you can do
:08:19. > :08:21.about immigration in the EU as you do not control borders, it is free
:08:22. > :08:24.movement of labour and there is nothing you can do about that. Look
:08:25. > :08:28.at immigration figures on polling day.
:08:29. > :08:35.We have already brought down immigration from outside of the EU
:08:36. > :08:38.to levels not seen since the 1990s. Inside the unit is tightening up on
:08:39. > :08:41.benefit claims and people coming here to take advantage of our
:08:42. > :08:44.welfare system. But legitimate people who come
:08:45. > :08:48.here, those are the numbers you have no control over.
:08:49. > :08:52.We do have some control by tightening up those systems. There
:08:53. > :08:56.is more we can do other than that and more we can do as a conservative
:08:57. > :09:01.only government, a Conservative majority government.
:09:02. > :09:06.We will gamble on those issues at the general election next year.
:09:07. > :09:11.Lord Ashcroft's own polling, Labour marginals, but Labour are in
:09:12. > :09:16.double`digit leads, that must be hugely worrying for you.
:09:17. > :09:19.We take nothing for granted in a general election but in all polls
:09:20. > :09:22.the Conservative Party has been improving as to where it has been
:09:23. > :09:25.over the last couple of years and that is a strong basis for the
:09:26. > :09:29.general election campaign next year...
:09:30. > :09:31.But you need your voters to come back.
:09:32. > :09:35.Clearly for me, tell me what you will do to try to entice them back?
:09:36. > :09:41.We're going to see a general election, unlike and European
:09:42. > :09:44.election, is a choice. You get a referendum, in or out of Europe with
:09:45. > :09:47.a Conservative government, and you do not get that any other way.
:09:48. > :09:53.The Prime Minister is just speaking on camera.
:09:54. > :09:56.People are disillusioned with the European Union and the waiters
:09:57. > :10:00.working, the way it is working for Britain, and they want change. The
:10:01. > :10:04.challenge is now for my party to demonstrate that we have the plan to
:10:05. > :10:08.deliver that change, to renegotiate Britain's place in Europe, to get a
:10:09. > :10:12.better deal for Britain, to change Europe and then put the choice to
:10:13. > :10:17.the British people in a referendum before the end of 2017. That is what
:10:18. > :10:21.do and the real test for that plan will, at the general election.
:10:22. > :10:25.There are people saying that votes for UKIP are not necessarily
:10:26. > :10:28.interested in Europe, and this is a kicking of the major parties and
:10:29. > :10:32.that perhaps you are completely out of touch on the issues people really
:10:33. > :10:37.care about. People use elections like this to send election `` send a
:10:38. > :10:40.message to the government. I absolutely receive and understand
:10:41. > :10:44.that message on Europe, that people want change. After a long and
:10:45. > :10:47.difficult recession, of course people have things they are
:10:48. > :10:51.frustrated about, they want to see more jobs and higher living
:10:52. > :10:55.standards, they want to see us complete our long`term economic
:10:56. > :10:58.plan, and I see that as a demand for us to deliver. We have to
:10:59. > :11:03.demonstrate that tackling immigration, reforming welfare,
:11:04. > :11:06.getting Britain's place right in Europe, all of these things are part
:11:07. > :11:11.of the economic plan that has seen an increase in the people of Adam
:11:12. > :11:17.Macklin another people in work, tax cuts, the deficit down, but there is
:11:18. > :11:21.work to do. How do you feel about UKIP now?
:11:22. > :11:35.Realistically, isn't packed good idea?
:11:36. > :11:39.`` isn't a coalition agreement. We are going to work harder, we're
:11:40. > :11:44.going to do more and convince people and that is what I will spend my
:11:45. > :11:48.time doing in the next 350 days. One question about Nick Clegg. He is
:11:49. > :11:52.due Deputy Prime Minister. Where does this leave the coalition
:11:53. > :11:57.if he goes? The coalition is a strong government
:11:58. > :12:01.and is delivering, it particularly in terms of turning around the
:12:02. > :12:04.economy, getting people back to work and cutting taxes. That work will
:12:05. > :12:07.continue. People should be in no doubt we have a strong and
:12:08. > :12:12.determined government with a very clear plan and that plan continues.
:12:13. > :12:16.At how does the coalition work without Nick Clegg?
:12:17. > :12:20.That is for the Liberal Democrats to decide themselves. I am very clear,
:12:21. > :12:23.we have a strong coalition government that is effectively
:12:24. > :12:27.changing our country, putting people back to work, cutting taxes, getting
:12:28. > :12:31.the deficit down. We have a very clear plan and my job as Prime
:12:32. > :12:36.Minister is to deliver that plan. That is what I will be working doing
:12:37. > :12:40.over the next 350 days. Well, there it is, we have a plan,
:12:41. > :12:43.we have to stick to it and deliver it.
:12:44. > :12:46.That is the assessment from the Prime Minister.
:12:47. > :12:51.We broke away from William Hague to listen to that, let us return for a
:12:52. > :12:56.final thought. The Prime Minister was talking about the referendum in
:12:57. > :13:01.2017. One final question on that, because does this result not
:13:02. > :13:04.underlined that David Cameron cannot control the way that referendum
:13:05. > :13:08.goes? He can put out the arguments coming
:13:09. > :13:11.weekend renegotiate and put out arguments to the population, but
:13:12. > :13:16.does this result not sure that actually there is every chance they
:13:17. > :13:20.could reject it and you will find yourself out?
:13:21. > :13:23.Well, it is democracy. We believe in democracy, and the reason we want a
:13:24. > :13:28.referendum is for the people to decide, one way or another. It is
:13:29. > :13:32.nearly 40 years since there was a referendum on Europe in the UK.
:13:33. > :13:36.People like me were too young to vote in that referendum. We believe
:13:37. > :13:40.in people having their say, irrespective of the result.
:13:41. > :13:46.William Hague, thank you for being with me this morning. We will assess
:13:47. > :13:50.the result in terms of what they mean for all of the parties through
:13:51. > :13:53.today. We are expecting to hear from Nick Clegg within the next hour, but
:13:54. > :13:59.let's take a look at the result across Europe.
:14:00. > :14:03.A big result in France, with that thought for the National Front fair,
:14:04. > :14:09.a big win for them. And the anti`EU parties from left to right have made
:14:10. > :14:15.significant gains in these elections, with MEPs across the 28
:14:16. > :14:18.member states. Love those countries looking and make an assessment of
:14:19. > :14:21.where they now. Let's go to our political
:14:22. > :14:23.correspondent, Ben Wright come in Brussels for us.
:14:24. > :14:35.The headline thought from where you are? For many years, the MEPs has
:14:36. > :14:39.seen Euroscepticism as particularly British but no longer, there has
:14:40. > :14:44.been a backlash across the continent and in polling booths across Europe,
:14:45. > :14:50.voters were queueing up to protest against the priorities of the EU.
:14:51. > :14:53.Victory for Marine Le Pen and a first for the Front National.
:14:54. > :14:57.One in four of the votes cast in France went to the anti`immigrant,
:14:58. > :15:05.The leader, Marine Le Pen, said that people have spoken loudly and wanted
:15:06. > :15:15.It was a vote against the unpopular socialist President and a vote
:15:16. > :15:24.The anti`EU Danish People's Party came first in Denmark.
:15:25. > :15:27.That was on a promise of taking power back from Brussels.
:15:28. > :15:31.When MEPs meet here next, more often than ever will be critics
:15:32. > :15:33.of the parliament they have been elected into.
:15:34. > :15:37.The mainstream centre`right and centre`left will have a majority,
:15:38. > :15:44.but anti`Europe MEPs will be a noisy and disruptive block of dissent.
:15:45. > :15:50.In Greece, the radical left Syriza Party topped the poll.
:15:51. > :15:53.The country has been hardest hit by austerity and it won
:15:54. > :16:01.The far`right Golden Dawn came third,
:16:02. > :16:05.There has been a backlash against Europe and immigration
:16:06. > :16:09.and it is Front National's victory in France and the UKIP win in
:16:10. > :16:29.Turnout was 43%, almost identical to the turn and five years ago in 2009.
:16:30. > :16:34.Most eligible voters did not think they would rather add it was not
:16:35. > :16:38.worth their while turning out to vote in this election. Letters look
:16:39. > :16:45.at the composition of the European Parliament as a result of this. The
:16:46. > :16:50.leading group, the People's party, on the centre`right, that remains
:16:51. > :17:00.the largest. They still have around 25%. Socialists and Democrats, about
:17:01. > :17:06.21% and then the Liberals and the Greens. The group that UKIP sitting,
:17:07. > :17:14.the freedom and democracy group, lost quite a few but Nigel Farage is
:17:15. > :17:18.showing and they remain at about 5%. This huge group is classed as other
:17:19. > :17:27.at the moment, including the front national in France and
:17:28. > :17:34.antiestablishment parties. The big story from Europe is that it is an
:17:35. > :17:41.extraordinary result in France and I am joined by Kristian Frazier. It
:17:42. > :17:51.was remarkable in Paris. What explains that? A lack of political
:17:52. > :17:56.trust. And Francois Hollande has not had a good first few years, and they
:17:57. > :18:04.do not like taxes and spending has been falling. Across the road,
:18:05. > :18:09.parliamentarians and within the National Front, they want to
:18:10. > :18:14.re`negotiate the treaty and that will be their biggest objective when
:18:15. > :18:20.they sit in this new parliament. Letters look at those figures, the
:18:21. > :18:24.first thing is to say this is not a regional victory for the National
:18:25. > :18:33.Front, finishing first in 70% of the departments. You can see from this
:18:34. > :18:44.graphic, 25.4%, that is a massive surge. They took just 6% last time
:18:45. > :18:56.with three Parliamentary seats. UMP, slumping. Nicolas Sarkozy, his
:18:57. > :19:03.leadership under threat, he has not got a coherent message on Europe.
:19:04. > :19:10.Socialists, what an appalling night. They were hoping for 16%. But they
:19:11. > :19:16.have lost about three or four seats. They will have just 13. The bigger
:19:17. > :19:22.parties licking their wounds today, the Cabinet had an emergency meeting
:19:23. > :19:26.this morning at 8:30am and the headline is that they are talking
:19:27. > :19:30.about tax cut for the low and middle income families. Just how he can
:19:31. > :19:34.afford that, we do not know. Three quarters of zero growth and he is
:19:35. > :19:40.under pressure from Brussels to bring the deficit into line. Some
:19:41. > :19:49.damp rides this morning. This is the right wing paper. Figaro.
:19:50. > :19:56.Earthquake. Another debacle for Francois Hollande. And approximately
:19:57. > :20:00.personal victory for Marine Le Pen, she has changed the party since
:20:01. > :20:05.taking over from her father. We knew, of course, that the National
:20:06. > :20:09.Front would do well but we thought it was just a stream to step over
:20:10. > :20:18.that, in fact, it is a raging torrent. Left`wing press. There is
:20:19. > :20:23.concern this morning that France will be identified by the far
:20:24. > :20:27.right. Extraordinary, when you think of the country that is the spiritual
:20:28. > :20:34.heart of Europe, it is the key sceptic voice. You can see some of
:20:35. > :20:37.these glum faces on the panel in the television studio. They talk about
:20:38. > :20:43.the crisis of leadership on the left. Socialists have to win back
:20:44. > :20:48.the working class vote because as they have been crunching these
:20:49. > :20:52.numbers, what is apparent for Socialists is they have lost the
:20:53. > :20:56.working class vote in many constituencies, over 55% in the East
:20:57. > :21:01.of voting for the National Front and the younger vote, 30% under 35
:21:02. > :21:10.voting for the far right. Some big things to think about. Thank you
:21:11. > :21:17.very much indeed. The question is, what will this mean for the future
:21:18. > :21:22.direction of the European Union? How will work done here? We have easily
:21:23. > :21:28.MEPs coming to Brussels, they might form a powerful the group and with
:21:29. > :21:32.that comes money and voting rights and speaking rights on the floor of
:21:33. > :21:36.the chamber and doubtful whether they will try hard to do that,
:21:37. > :21:40.because I think their differences are just too great. To get the
:21:41. > :21:45.numbers together. And the focus of parties like UKIP and the National
:21:46. > :21:51.Front is not here. This is the enemy, but the audience is domestic.
:21:52. > :21:54.We want to appeal to voters in Britain and France and Denmark. It
:21:55. > :22:00.might not change the way politics within the parliament is done but
:22:01. > :22:05.the response of the bureaucracy will be interesting. Were they think and
:22:06. > :22:13.listen and ask difficult questions about the momentum of the European
:22:14. > :22:18.project? The drive for closer union? Will will they stop and think and
:22:19. > :22:24.try to slow down? In response to this. I was talking to the Secretary
:22:25. > :22:29.General last week and he was pretty sanguine, he said we know there will
:22:30. > :22:34.be an upturn in Eurosceptic feelings but economies are pretty depressed
:22:35. > :22:39.and once they recover, that will die away. I think the real impact of
:22:40. > :22:45.these folks will be is felt in the national capitals with rational and
:22:46. > :22:47.governments to bring powers back from Brussels to the national
:22:48. > :22:57.capitals and really look at how the European Union works. Lots to choose
:22:58. > :23:03.over. Thank you. Let us look at the domestic ramifications. Nick
:23:04. > :23:09.Robinson is with me. What is your analysis? There were doubts when the
:23:10. > :23:13.phrase earthquake was used after the local elections and nobody can have
:23:14. > :23:20.any doubt now. No party other than the name to have won a national
:23:21. > :23:24.election in over 100 years and UKIP have done this and have shown they
:23:25. > :23:30.can win local contests as well as European and what that means is
:23:31. > :23:34.there is a fourth force in British politics and that is important,
:23:35. > :23:39.because by winning in Scotland and Wales, they have defied those who
:23:40. > :23:43.said they were merely a force in English and is and obviously they
:23:44. > :23:51.did less well in Scotland but they are going to get a seat. What that
:23:52. > :23:55.means in the end is at talk of UKIP getting MPs over there in
:23:56. > :24:02.Westminster, which would have seemed slightly risible two years ago,
:24:03. > :24:07.seems totally possible. Lastly, Nigel Farage said he would hope to
:24:08. > :24:11.hold the balance of power in 2015. Some people thought that was
:24:12. > :24:17.preposterous. It seems less so? But still difficult. These were
:24:18. > :24:20.elections and he described as a free head and these elections will and
:24:21. > :24:26.reformers proportional representation that means it is
:24:27. > :24:30.easier to get votes. They need to win above the parties in one or
:24:31. > :24:36.localised places and they have not been able to do that yet, Newark is
:24:37. > :24:46.go `` is coming up. It is interesting to hear what he wants to
:24:47. > :24:48.do, it was to copy Paddy Ashdown, not try to fight across the country
:24:49. > :24:52.but get in a lot of votes in a very small number of places. For all of
:24:53. > :25:02.the main parties, this is a headache, what to do? What is the
:25:03. > :25:06.impact of this? Awkward. The Tories, third for the first time in their
:25:07. > :25:11.history, losing a quarter of the European Parliament members, seeing
:25:12. > :25:16.the Conservative family fractured. They must hope that they simply
:25:17. > :25:19.saying to UKIP voters, you may not like David Cameron but you prefer
:25:20. > :25:23.him to Ed Miliband, you might not like our policies but you would
:25:24. > :25:29.refer the referendum, that will squeeze the vote. But there will be
:25:30. > :25:32.huge pressure to flesh out these rather vague promises. You try to
:25:33. > :25:38.get more out of William Hague about reforming Europe. And whether they
:25:39. > :25:43.could ever walk away from Europe if they did not get that? Labourer:
:25:44. > :25:47.Relieved because of it was afterwards in the capital, they were
:25:48. > :25:50.neck and neck with the Conservatives. `` labour. They would
:25:51. > :25:55.say they never do well in European elections. On the other hand, there
:25:56. > :26:00.are people in the party who will say, one year away from a General
:26:01. > :26:04.Election, we do not smell like winners and is this tension between
:26:05. > :26:09.the politics that is working for Labour in the capital and outside of
:26:10. > :26:15.the capital, and are not doing well at all there. Trying to reconcile
:26:16. > :26:19.that. And Nick Clegg, most people around him act him and said,
:26:20. > :26:27.changing the leader is not the way. The problem is, what is? Just
:26:28. > :26:32.returning to Labour and Conservative, they almost have the
:26:33. > :26:36.same strategy, which is to help and weighed just before the 25th
:26:37. > :26:45.election to say, it is either Ed Miliband or David Cameron. ``
:26:46. > :26:53.weight. That is dangerous? To be fair, Ed Miliband is doing more than
:26:54. > :26:56.that, he is going to Thurrock tomorrow, a council Labour Party did
:26:57. > :27:01.not get in a large part because of UKIP and he is going to make a
:27:02. > :27:06.speech that effectively says I know you did not back me, you are not yet
:27:07. > :27:11.convinced that I have the right answers. But I believe the
:27:12. > :27:15.disaffection you will feel the anger, this sense of alienation, is
:27:16. > :27:22.one we have the answers to. To be fair, he is trying to take head`on
:27:23. > :27:26.that view, not on issues of Europe and immigration but of the standards
:27:27. > :27:32.of living, wages, job security and so on. David Cameron is trying to
:27:33. > :27:38.double up the offer he made the promise of a European referendum.
:27:39. > :27:41.Thank you for that. Nick Robinson. Talking about some of the challenges
:27:42. > :27:49.and questions at the Labour Party have to look at. Graham Stringer is
:27:50. > :27:52.in our Salford studio. Critical after those local election results
:27:53. > :28:00.on Friday. What we were thoughts this morning? We did very well in
:28:01. > :28:06.London and very well in the North`West. There are a lot of
:28:07. > :28:09.marginal seats. Some of the responses from my leadership has
:28:10. > :28:15.been, we have to change and listen. But it is not clear how they will do
:28:16. > :28:19.that. While these elections were about Europe, and there is some
:28:20. > :28:24.protest votes, there were also people voting against the direction
:28:25. > :28:29.that this country is going in Europe. And unless we have a policy
:28:30. > :28:33.response to that, which has to be as a minimum to give people a
:28:34. > :28:39.referendum, we are going to lose votes. My constituents are concerned
:28:40. > :28:46.about immigration and jobs. The factors, the free movement of people
:28:47. > :28:51.is locked into the treaties of Europe and we cannot do anything
:28:52. > :28:54.about that unless we force fundamental change in the European
:28:55. > :29:01.Union and we're not doing anything. It is very attractive. Disabled for
:29:02. > :29:05.us, but we cannot do anything about the major concerns. Because Europe
:29:06. > :29:11.will not let us. We have to improve the offer. We cannot just keep
:29:12. > :29:18.saying, this has been a major wake`up call. But we're not going to
:29:19. > :29:21.do anything. Do you think those at the top of
:29:22. > :29:27.your party understand those concerns?
:29:28. > :29:32.When I was talking to Douglas Alexander on Friday he was littering
:29:33. > :29:36.to criticism and was making the point that you are almost a serial
:29:37. > :29:41.critic, if you go back to Gordon Brown you are criticising him.
:29:42. > :29:44.My concern has always been for the Labour Party to win the election.
:29:45. > :29:50.Douglas supported Gordon Brown at that time and we lost the election.
:29:51. > :29:53.We could have done better had we changed the leader.
:29:54. > :29:57.At the moment I believe we could do much better if we tighten up our
:29:58. > :30:02.organisation around Ed Miliband, the leader of the Labour Party, and we
:30:03. > :30:04.changed some of our policies so that we have more resonance with the
:30:05. > :30:09.electorate. It is very elitist and arrogant to
:30:10. > :30:13.carry on saying, we will just go the way that Europe is going, with ever
:30:14. > :30:17.deeper integration within the European Union. That is not what
:30:18. > :30:24.people who I represent what it is not what people in the UK want all I
:30:25. > :30:28.want to do is to improve the Labour Party's position for the next
:30:29. > :30:31.general election, and I think it is complacent by Douglas and some of
:30:32. > :30:36.the other people in the leadership to carry on with business as usual.
:30:37. > :30:40.We have do have some major organisational changes and some
:30:41. > :30:45.policy changes that will attract more voters to the Labour Party.
:30:46. > :30:49.So it is policy that has to change? Do you acknowledge also that perhaps
:30:50. > :30:52.your party has an Ed Miliband problem in terms of someone who can
:30:53. > :31:01.project himself as a leader? The opinion polls do not tell lies.
:31:02. > :31:10.Ed is not doing as well as David Cameron and the public's mind.
:31:11. > :31:12.He is a decent human being with a high intelligence and he is the
:31:13. > :31:17.leader of the Labour Party. What we have to do is improve the
:31:18. > :31:26.organisation around him, which frankly has been amateurish, and we
:31:27. > :31:29.have to end prove `` improve our policy offering.
:31:30. > :31:33.No party has won in the general election by the leader has been
:31:34. > :31:36.behind and we have been behind in economic policy.
:31:37. > :31:39.We have to improve the organisation around Ed but we also have to
:31:40. > :31:43.improve our basic economic policy, which means changing some of the
:31:44. > :31:47.policies on Europe. If we do not, we are in difficulty, despite as having
:31:48. > :31:52.good results over this weekend. We have also had some poor results and
:31:53. > :31:58.we have to improve in those areas. Graham Stringer, we are grateful for
:31:59. > :32:03.your time this morning. You are watching BBC News, it is a
:32:04. > :32:05.little after 9:30am as we take you through results and analyses of this
:32:06. > :32:11.European election. If you have just joined us on BBC
:32:12. > :32:15.News, welcome, because the politicians here are taking stock of
:32:16. > :32:18.another startling performance from UKIP.
:32:19. > :32:22.Nigel Farage has described the results as the most extraordinary
:32:23. > :32:28.results in British politics in 100 years.
:32:29. > :32:31.They have 23 MEPs, 27% share of the vote.
:32:32. > :32:36.The Liberal Democrats, well, they faced almost wiped out, winning only
:32:37. > :32:42.one MEP, pushed into fifth place. Labour have made gains, but only a
:32:43. > :32:46.little ahead of the Conservatives in terms of vote share. Elsewhere in
:32:47. > :32:49.Europe, it is the antiestablishment parties come again, that have
:32:50. > :32:54.performed strongly. In France, shock result there with the National Front
:32:55. > :32:57.winning. We will analyse those results in a
:32:58. > :33:00.little more detail in a moment, but first this report from our political
:33:01. > :33:12.correspondent, Ross Hawkins. It looked good for UKIP last night,
:33:13. > :33:15.toasting the result with champagne and, having topped the national
:33:16. > :33:15.vote, it looks even better this morning.
:33:16. > :33:21.My dream has become a reality. Despite the onslaught we faced in
:33:22. > :33:25.the last few weeks, as if the whole world was against us, the British
:33:26. > :33:27.public have stood firm, backed UKIP and we have won and national
:33:28. > :33:31.election. I am over the moon.
:33:32. > :33:36.Compared that with the fate and faces of Liberal Democrats, all but
:33:37. > :33:40.wiped out, left with a single MEP. It went wrong because there is a
:33:41. > :33:43.very feeble oil anti`European atmosphere in this country in the
:33:44. > :33:47.moment. `` and very febrile. There is a general death that
:33:48. > :33:50.Schmeichel disaffection with politicians.
:33:51. > :33:53.More votes and MEPs for Labour, beating the Conservatives but only
:33:54. > :34:00.just. Everyone is wondering how UKIP did so well.
:34:01. > :34:06.`` there is a general disaffection with politicians.
:34:07. > :34:08.Everyone was there are disaffection with politics generally.
:34:09. > :34:12.For the Conservatives come in third place, similar questions.
:34:13. > :34:15.I think the result showed a clear message, which is that people are
:34:16. > :34:18.disillusioned with the European Union, the way it is working for
:34:19. > :34:31.Britain. They want change. The in Europe ``
:34:32. > :34:39.to renegotiate Britain was Michael place in Europe.
:34:40. > :34:43.`` Britain's place. There were scuffles as the BMP
:34:44. > :34:46.arrived at Manchester town Hall, but Nick Griffin had already been beaten
:34:47. > :34:49.by the voters. The big picture, though, I UKIP
:34:50. > :34:52.triumph. The question is whether we will see
:34:53. > :34:59.more of this at the general election.
:35:00. > :35:01.With me is John Curtice, professor of politics at the University of
:35:02. > :35:05.Strathclyde. Welcome.
:35:06. > :35:10.What do you make of these results, specifically for UKIP, first of all?
:35:11. > :35:15.There is no doubt UKIP have achieved a remarkable feat in coming first in
:35:16. > :35:19.a nationwide election. It was the target Nigel Farage set for his
:35:20. > :35:22.party some month ago. Many thought he was at risk of exaggerating
:35:23. > :35:27.expectations of what his party could achieve but he has met his target.
:35:28. > :35:31.What we need to remember is that European elections are the occasion
:35:32. > :35:37.on which borders are, firstly, more willing to vote for smaller parties,
:35:38. > :35:42.and secondly, as we know from the 2004 and 2009 elections, more likely
:35:43. > :35:45.to vote for UKIP in particular. To that extent, we cannot presume that
:35:46. > :35:51.if there were a general election that UKIP would have come top with
:35:52. > :35:54.28% of the vote. What we know from a couple of opinion poll exercises is
:35:55. > :36:01.around half of the people who voted for UKIP on Thursday said they would
:36:02. > :36:05.vote for UKIP in the general election. We also know that people
:36:06. > :36:11.who voted for them in the European election did not fought for them
:36:12. > :36:19.locally. Roughly what the opinion polls have been saying for the time
:36:20. > :36:24.being is around 40% support for UKIP. That is not anything like
:36:25. > :36:28.enough for UKIP to win a Parliamentary seat, `` 14%, but it
:36:29. > :36:32.is enough to make sure that in the coming months the Conservatives and
:36:33. > :36:36.Liberal Democrats will be wanting to win back those votes.
:36:37. > :36:40.You talk about the national share potentially going to 14%, but it has
:36:41. > :36:45.been interesting watching their tactics, we heard them talking about
:36:46. > :36:49.how they would approach the general election.
:36:50. > :36:53.It is the Liberal Democrat model about not worrying on the headline
:36:54. > :36:57.national jab at targeting areas and hoping to receive the vote in those
:36:58. > :37:00.areas. That could be effective. That certainly could be what they need to
:37:01. > :37:07.do, because under our electoral system, unless a party that is very
:37:08. > :37:12.popular, if it has a geographical spread it loses out.
:37:13. > :37:19.What we see is UKIP developing an area of strength, the east coast of
:37:20. > :37:23.Kent, Basildon, Thurrock, Great Yarmouth, part of Lincolnshire.
:37:24. > :37:27.There is a strip down the eastern coast of England were UKIP seemed to
:37:28. > :37:30.have particular popularity, particularly well dug income and I
:37:31. > :37:36.undoubtedly think they will concentrate there.
:37:37. > :37:41.Can they build up such a strong local base in those areas within now
:37:42. > :37:45.less than 12 months? It is a long task building up a
:37:46. > :37:48.local base. For the main parties, take me
:37:49. > :37:52.through their challenges. The truth is there is a collective
:37:53. > :37:57.challenge to the board of all parties. In part, the reason UKIP
:37:58. > :38:01.are where they are is because of the collector called `` collector
:38:02. > :38:05.situation the three parties have. What I mean by that is that we have
:38:06. > :38:08.coalition for the first time. As a result, the Lib Dems are not
:38:09. > :38:12.available as a party of protest. That undoubtedly is one of the
:38:13. > :38:16.reasons UKIP have the opportunity they have. The coalition will not
:38:17. > :38:19.disappear tomorrow. The second big usual thing about Westminster
:38:20. > :38:23.politics at the moment is that all three party leaders are relatively
:38:24. > :38:28.unpopular. That is one of the reasons why Nigel Farage's apparent
:38:29. > :38:34.directness, his ability to hold people's attention is any booing his
:38:35. > :38:36.party. Those circumstances of the unpopular leaders and a coalition
:38:37. > :38:42.are not going to disappear, and that is why it will be forgot to get the
:38:43. > :38:46.UKIP thought Aaron. That said, the Conservatives this morning has said
:38:47. > :38:48.we will go on about Europe. This is not just about Europe, it is
:38:49. > :38:53.certainly not about wanting a referendum, it is either wanting to
:38:54. > :38:58.get out of Europe or a particularly about the consequence of Europe for
:38:59. > :39:02.immigration in an age of austerity. On the Lib Dems specifically, is it
:39:03. > :39:05.recoverable? They are in a dire situation and
:39:06. > :39:10.have been ever since the beginning of this Parliament. They will not
:39:11. > :39:13.lose all of their seats in the next general election but they could
:39:14. > :39:16.easily lose half of them. John Curtice, thank you for those
:39:17. > :39:20.thoughts. Let us get away from Westminster for
:39:21. > :39:23.a while because Graham Satchel is in Worksop, part of the East Midlands
:39:24. > :39:29.region where UKIP got the most votes, the Conservatives in second.
:39:30. > :39:36.Thank you. We are at a car`boot sale here near Worksop in North
:39:37. > :39:40.Nottinghamshire. It is a beautiful day, a lot of people out and about.
:39:41. > :39:42.UKIP did very well here in the East Midlands, they topped the poll and
:39:43. > :39:47.have come away with two MEPs. have come away with two MEPs.
:39:48. > :39:50.The Tories, also have two, and Labour have one.
:39:51. > :39:54.UKIP are up one on five years ago. Let us talk to some of the
:39:55. > :39:58.stallholders here in North Nottinghamshire.
:39:59. > :40:00.Brian Hugh has a stall with a lot of games and other bits of household
:40:01. > :40:06.items. Brian, how did you vote? I voted
:40:07. > :40:10.UKIP. Why? Well, it is different opinions,
:40:11. > :40:13.isn't it? You were not satisfied with the
:40:14. > :40:17.other parties? No. Why not?
:40:18. > :40:21.You cannot really comment on that, can you?
:40:22. > :40:25.You cannot! But you're not happy with the others?
:40:26. > :40:28.I have never voted in my life. This is your first time question
:40:29. > :40:32.mark first time I have voted. And you voted UKIP? Would you vote
:40:33. > :40:38.them in a general election? I would, yes.
:40:39. > :40:41.Like you very much, Brian. That is a first`time voters who
:40:42. > :40:43.voted UKIP because he was disillusioned with the other
:40:44. > :40:47.parties. Let's talk with Sandra.
:40:48. > :40:51.Sandra, can I bring you up? Sandra has a stall here as well, how
:40:52. > :40:56.did you vote? Labour. What did you think about
:40:57. > :41:00.UKIP coming Top Of The Pops everyone is entitled to their own opinion,
:41:01. > :41:03.but I feel people moving further that way in respect of immigration,
:41:04. > :41:12.I have concerns for the local area in general.
:41:13. > :41:17.Things may overspill. `` everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
:41:18. > :41:20.What do you mean about overspill? Well, I look around and everyone
:41:21. > :41:25.seems to speak a foreign`language. I am of the over `` older generation
:41:26. > :41:28.and I accept that, but if it becomes more I will find that difficult to
:41:29. > :41:31.live with. So you can see why people have voted
:41:32. > :41:36.UKIP? Yes, I can see that but I am labour,
:41:37. > :41:39.always have been, always will. It was my parents that said to me, you
:41:40. > :41:43.thought what you are, and that is what I have been.
:41:44. > :41:46.What is interesting, Sandra can is that a lot of people like you in the
:41:47. > :41:51.Labour heartland have decided enough is enough of a The Mall it `` Ed
:41:52. > :41:53.Miliband and they want action. Would you vote different in a general
:41:54. > :42:00.election? Nope, I am Labour.
:42:01. > :42:05.Lovely, Sandra, thank you very much. We have a by`election not far away
:42:06. > :42:08.from the next Thursday, in new work, whether it is probably the first big
:42:09. > :42:32.test for UKIP as far as Westminster is concerned. `` Neawrk `` tempt ``
:42:33. > :42:35.Newark. You vote? No. You are not alone,
:42:36. > :42:43.many people did not vote. What do you think would help?
:42:44. > :42:48.Just to listen to policies that people of this country believe in.
:42:49. > :42:51.They seem to ignore us. I just think we want it to return back to how
:42:52. > :42:55.good old Britain was. What does that mean creche and Mark
:42:56. > :42:58.you are worried about immigration? Yes, I think it worries everyone if
:42:59. > :43:04.I am honest. Government just seems to ignore...
:43:05. > :43:10.Yes, they are just ignorant about what people want, I think.
:43:11. > :43:14.What are you saying, quickly then, that you would like the door shut to
:43:15. > :43:17.future European immigration? Not essentially shut, but I think
:43:18. > :43:20.there should be limits on what is going on.
:43:21. > :43:23.Simon, thank you very much. There you are, Simon did not vote
:43:24. > :43:27.and he is certainly not alone because two thirds of people in the
:43:28. > :43:29.end did not vote. For all people saying this is a portable
:43:30. > :43:36.earthquake, we should perhaps keep that in mind, that one `` only a
:43:37. > :43:38.third of the electorate bothered to vote.
:43:39. > :43:41.There you see someone who did not, but still aligning himself with the
:43:42. > :43:46.philosophy of UKIP. Graham, thank you very much. We are
:43:47. > :43:48.still waiting for the results to be confirmed in Scotland and also
:43:49. > :43:52.Northern Ireland. Large areas of England and Wales
:43:53. > :43:56.turned from conservative blue to UKIP purple overnight.
:43:57. > :44:00.Those results, we should get them around midday from Scotland, when
:44:01. > :44:04.the full results are due to be announced around that time, with
:44:05. > :44:07.UKIP hoping to get their first NEP in Scotland.
:44:08. > :44:10.Jeremy Langdon has been looking in detail about where the party picked
:44:11. > :44:15.up ports and what results could mean for next year's election. And
:44:16. > :44:19.further afield in Europe. As huge election across 28
:44:20. > :44:23.countries, let us look at the dramatic events in the UK.
:44:24. > :44:29.This is the map last time in 2009. Under Gordon Brown pinned back to
:44:30. > :44:32.the north`east year. The Scottish Nationalists are
:44:33. > :44:35.painting Scotland yellow, but the rest of England is all conservative
:44:36. > :44:41.plan. 12 regions. Let us mark the map with
:44:42. > :44:44.the colours it was left after the 2014 European election and how
:44:45. > :44:49.dramatic is this? UKIP purple all over England, Labour
:44:50. > :44:51.first in Wales, the north`west and north`east.
:44:52. > :44:55.Scottish nationalist yellow in Scotland, and Labour are doing very
:44:56. > :44:59.well in London. The UKIP advance is really quite
:45:00. > :45:03.extraordinary. If I'm narrow down the map and get it to shore areas
:45:04. > :45:06.where parties came first by local council, there is quite a lot of
:45:07. > :45:13.conservative blue here, but when it flashes places, where the party that
:45:14. > :45:33.was first this time was not first class time, have a look. Second
:45:34. > :45:39.place, Labour have 20, the Conservatives had 26 last time. The
:45:40. > :45:44.Green party, in fourth place with three. That was a good night for
:45:45. > :45:50.them. And catastrophic for the Lib Dem 's, just one. And the others,
:45:51. > :46:00.nationalists among them. In terms of the share of the vote, these are the
:46:01. > :46:05.figures. You can see UKIP, 28%. Labour, the London effect lifting
:46:06. > :46:11.labour. It was touch and go but the Conservatives in third place. The
:46:12. > :46:18.Greens, 8% and the Lib Dems, only 7% and the others on 8%. Huge advances
:46:19. > :46:22.for UKIP and Labour not doing as well as they would want and the
:46:23. > :46:29.Conservatives pushed back but the Lib Dems are the real victims. And
:46:30. > :46:33.more widely, all over Europe, voters were standing up to make a point to
:46:34. > :46:38.the establishment. In France, the grey in that we'll shows the
:46:39. > :46:46.National Front, the hard right party, coming first. And in the
:46:47. > :46:53.South`East of Europe, Greece. The deep red is a hard left. Across
:46:54. > :47:04.Europe, we saw traditional parties being punished by outsiders. In
:47:05. > :47:14.Wales, Labour topped the polls but very narrowly. We should get the
:47:15. > :47:17.thoughts from there in a moment. The line has just dropped away.
:47:18. > :47:22.Apologies. The Conservatives had topped the poll last time around and
:47:23. > :47:29.Wales so a big turnabout in Wales. We will get thoughts there. Jeremy
:47:30. > :47:32.Vine taking us through the polling and the results in different parts
:47:33. > :47:41.of Europe. Letters look at the European perspective. With me is
:47:42. > :47:46.Matt Pearson, who promotes European reform and Peter Wilder. Who is in a
:47:47. > :47:57.campaign to keep Britain in the EU. Your headline for this? The big
:47:58. > :47:59.story across Europe is the rise of antiestablishment parties in seven
:48:00. > :48:06.different countries and the big question is, how can politicians
:48:07. > :48:12.respond) press ahead with more centralisation or choose a different
:48:13. > :48:16.path, reform? This is an amazing wake`up call for the established
:48:17. > :48:20.parties. Instead of cowering in the corner, they should recognise that
:48:21. > :48:25.this message is antiestablishment and what the British public wants is
:48:26. > :48:30.clear direction. And all three leaders, they could get that, but
:48:31. > :48:36.they have been frightened of the press and themselves for too long.
:48:37. > :48:41.Isn't the message clear, the public do not want the sort of Europe and
:48:42. > :48:47.structures that you want? Exactly. The unfortunate thing is, David
:48:48. > :48:54.Cameron and David Miliband and `` Ed Miliband and Nick Clegg agree that
:48:55. > :49:00.change should happen and those leaders have a very clear choice,
:49:01. > :49:04.either make change or lose Europe. For decades, peace and prosperity in
:49:05. > :49:13.Europe, built around these structures. If that is castaway,
:49:14. > :49:16.what are you left with? I would argue that you could be left with
:49:17. > :49:23.something far worse than the reform option. A system of nation states
:49:24. > :49:34.where people are set back several decades. Some people perhaps might
:49:35. > :49:39.want that. Europe with borders. And I think that would be the worst
:49:40. > :49:43.option so I think it is essential that we press on with some reforms
:49:44. > :49:49.and it is interesting to see that some of his founding members,
:49:50. > :49:55.including in France, have gone this way. Immigration has played so big.
:49:56. > :50:03.In terms of reforming that, how do you reform that when we have freedom
:50:04. > :50:08.of movement? We would argue that one way of doing that is to change the
:50:09. > :50:12.rules around access to benefits because if you look at a lot of
:50:13. > :50:17.these parties, one of the points are making is they come here... Is that
:50:18. > :50:23.a red herring? There might be people who come here for benefits but the
:50:24. > :50:28.majority of people come for jobs and although sorts of reasons,
:50:29. > :50:32.legitimately? I would argue that on the whole, free movement has been
:50:33. > :50:38.beneficial for the UK and other countries but this is about ensuring
:50:39. > :50:43.voters have confidence in the political system and showing voters
:50:44. > :50:47.we have transparent and sensible rose around access to benefits. That
:50:48. > :50:53.is an easy way to take away some of the oxygen from the stronger
:50:54. > :50:57.anti`immigration parties. You talk about trade and all of these reasons
:50:58. > :51:03.to be in the EU. Is the problem that am actually, a lot of people are not
:51:04. > :51:07.listening to that? They have trained eye to those thoughts because
:51:08. > :51:15.immigration is so big? `` trimmed out. People want firm direction,
:51:16. > :51:19.they want Britain to be powerful in Europe and the world and that is
:51:20. > :51:27.like Nigel Farage appeals, he has a clear message. `` that is why. 75
:51:28. > :51:29.percentage people here think we have zero influence in Europe and people
:51:30. > :51:35.think this country has been ganged up upon. The German and the French
:51:36. > :51:40.run the show. Nothing could be further from the truth and it is up
:51:41. > :51:45.to Westminster to make the case for British leadership clearly. After
:51:46. > :51:50.these results, how can this country be viewed by all of those countries
:51:51. > :51:55.and Brussels? This is not just a British phenomenon, this is across
:51:56. > :52:00.Europe. What has to happen is a member states who want to move
:52:01. > :52:04.Europe into a period of change with jobs and growth, they simply have to
:52:05. > :52:11.get around the table and say, the British have a plan, we have signed
:52:12. > :52:15.up to this plan, let us do it. In terms of David Cameron, his strategy
:52:16. > :52:21.has been laid out, negotiate, and more powers back, do these results,
:52:22. > :52:27.do they make it harder or easier for him in that discussion? It is a
:52:28. > :52:32.double`edged sword. On the one hand, of course, this might serve as a
:52:33. > :52:40.welcome Ashbury wake`up call to leaders. If you give voters a choice
:52:41. > :52:49.between no Europe or more, they will choose no Europe. `` wake`up call.
:52:50. > :52:55.On the other hand, the European Parliament itself might actually be
:52:56. > :53:00.more centralised because the main groups in the Parliament that tends
:53:01. > :53:05.to put the same have a strong incentive to gang up and freeze out
:53:06. > :53:09.the other contingent and the parliament will have a strong say
:53:10. > :53:17.over some of these items in the reform agenda. I disagree. The
:53:18. > :53:23.Parliament looks in on itself, it is a longer left versus right, it is in
:53:24. > :53:27.and out, it has no particular power or leadership to stage a member
:53:28. > :53:29.states, listen to us. It will not be an obstacle change because the
:53:30. > :53:36.member states need the change to happen. Thank you both very much for
:53:37. > :53:41.joining us. We have run out of time. Plenty more in the coming minutes.
:53:42. > :53:56.Let's return to the studio. Thank you very much. The Pope has paid the
:53:57. > :54:03.Holocaust memorial site a visit. He spoke of the boundless tragedy of
:54:04. > :54:10.the Holocaust, describing it is as an unfathomable abyss. He travelled
:54:11. > :54:18.there and kissed the hands of solid cost `` Holocaust survivors in the
:54:19. > :54:24.hall of remembrance. As you can see. He said, never again, Lord. We will
:54:25. > :54:28.have full coverage of this continuing visit, he has invited
:54:29. > :54:32.both sides of the conflict to the Vatican and they have so far given
:54:33. > :54:38.it positive response to that. More later on that. Pfizer is expected to
:54:39. > :54:42.make a statement today admitting defeat in the attempted takeover
:54:43. > :54:47.AstraZeneca. The latest offer was rejected by AstraZeneca's board and
:54:48. > :54:51.Pfizer has until 5pm to make a better offer or withdraw. Current
:54:52. > :55:00.rules say that public can try again after six months. Let's get the
:55:01. > :55:07.weather forecast. Carol is on the balcony.
:55:08. > :55:14.As they go through today, we're looking at a mixture of bright
:55:15. > :55:18.spells, sunshine and showers. The weekend that we get headers looking
:55:19. > :55:23.unsettled, breezy and it will feel cool but for some others, there will
:55:24. > :55:27.be sunny spells as well. Through the course of the early part of today,
:55:28. > :55:32.we have seen rain coming in, across the English Channel, particularly
:55:33. > :55:36.heavy towards the West and we have had a plethora of showers and they
:55:37. > :55:42.will continue through the day. In between, lovely blue skies. Low
:55:43. > :55:43.pressure in charge and through the latter part of today and
:55:44. > :55:46.pressure in charge and through the latter part tonight and tomorrow,
:55:47. > :55:52.this weather front is coming our way, ringing heavy rain. This
:55:53. > :55:55.morning, we still have showers, some merging to give longer spells of
:55:56. > :56:00.rain and still showers towards the West and in between, bright skies
:56:01. > :56:04.meaning high cloud and also some sunny spells also. They could be
:56:05. > :56:09.potent, particularly afternoon across Northern Ireland,
:56:10. > :56:13.where they could be thundery. Thundery showers for Scotland, not
:56:14. > :56:20.as heavy as yesterday in Edinburgh and sunshine in between. Northern
:56:21. > :56:26.England, Cumbria will see sunshine but for the rest, lots of cloud
:56:27. > :56:30.around and though showers. East Anglia, Essex and Kent, some
:56:31. > :56:35.sunshine through the afternoon again but we can also see showers and in
:56:36. > :56:40.the Midlands, some could be quite heavy. For the South`West, bright
:56:41. > :56:44.spells and sunny skies, one or two showers affecting parts of Wales but
:56:45. > :56:50.a lot of dry weather with sunny intervals. Overnight, lots of
:56:51. > :56:53.showers will drift towards the West and they will be replaced in the
:56:54. > :56:58.East by this next system coming from the continent and that will bring
:56:59. > :57:01.heavy rain. East Anglia and Leicestershire and Lincolnshire and
:57:02. > :57:06.South Yorkshire. That will be with us tomorrow and we will also drag in
:57:07. > :57:10.this onshore wind so it will feel particularly cold on the East Coast
:57:11. > :57:19.but inland, the wind will also be brisk. And still, some scattered
:57:20. > :57:22.showers towards the West. And in between, some bright spells and
:57:23. > :57:28.sunny intervals. As we move into Wednesday, more of the same, rain
:57:29. > :57:31.piling in from the East, moving into Northern Lincolnshire and southern
:57:32. > :57:35.Scotland and possibly West of Scotland as well. Still onshore
:57:36. > :57:38.winds and for the North of Scotland and parts of Northern Ireland and
:57:39. > :57:43.Wales and towards the South`West, we will see something Emma Dreier. At
:57:44. > :58:20.least we can keep right up to date online. `` something Dreier.
:58:21. > :58:35.National. This is BBC News live from
:58:36. > :58:39.Westminster where for the first time since 1910, nuclear Labour nor the
:58:40. > :58:42.Conservatives have won a national election.
:58:43. > :58:46.`` neither Labour nor the Conservatives. The UK Independence
:58:47. > :58:49.Party emerges as the major winner in the European electionings, topping
:58:50. > :58:52.the poll with almost 28% of the vote.
:58:53. > :58:56.My dream's become a reality and, despite the onslaught we face over
:58:57. > :59:00.the last few weeks as if the whole world was against us, the British
:59:01. > :59:05.public have stood firm, backed UKIP and we've won a national election.
:59:06. > :59:09.The challenge is now for my party to demonstrate that we have the plan to
:59:10. > :59:13.deliver that change, to renegotiate Britain's place in Europe to get a
:59:14. > :59:16.debt b better deal for Britain, then to put the choice to the British
:59:17. > :59:25.people in an in`out referendum before the end of 2017.
:59:26. > :59:30.The biggest losers failing to hold on to all but one of their seats,
:59:31. > :59:34.the Liberal Democrats. We have taken the unpopular side of
:59:35. > :59:38.an argument and we have been punished. I would do it all over
:59:39. > :59:41.again. Labour fails to break through in key battle grounds, but narrowly
:59:42. > :59:48.beat the Conservatives with 25% of the vote.
:59:49. > :59:52.Across the rest of Europe, Euro`Sceptic and antiestablishment
:59:53. > :59:59.parties make big gains In France, a platical earthquake,
:00:00. > :00:03.the first time the Front National of Marine Le Pen has won a national
:00:04. > :00:07.vote and they take fist place in 70% of departments around the country.
:00:08. > :00:11.We'll bring you the latest reaction and developments live as they happen
:00:12. > :00:16.throughout the day. The other headlines: Pope Francis
:00:17. > :00:20.visits Israel's Holocaust memorial on the third and final day of his
:00:21. > :00:28.Middle East tour. And in Ukraine, billionaire
:00:29. > :00:29.confectionary magistrate e`Mr Porochenko looks to have won the
:00:30. > :00:52.first election. Good morning and welcome live from
:00:53. > :00:57.Westminster as the politicians here take stock of last night's dramatic
:00:58. > :01:01.European election results. The UK Independence Party's emphatic
:01:02. > :01:04.victory in the European elections, well, it's sent a jolt through the
:01:05. > :01:09.other political parties with results from Northern Ireland and Scotland
:01:10. > :01:13.still to come in. Nigel Farage's UKIP's won 23 seats so far
:01:14. > :01:18.increasing its presence in the European Parliament by ten MEPs.
:01:19. > :01:22.Those gains have come largely at the expense of the Liberal Democrats who
:01:23. > :01:25.lost all by one of their seats. The Conservatives lost seven seats
:01:26. > :01:34.in Brussels, whilst the Labour Party has gained the same amount following
:01:35. > :01:39.its result last time around. In 2009, the Conservatives held the
:01:40. > :01:43.biggest share of the vote. Now UKIP dominates. Earlier, the party's
:01:44. > :01:48.Deputy Leader said the result shows support for UKIP could no longer be
:01:49. > :01:55.dismissed as a protest vote. Here is our Political Correspondent, Ross
:01:56. > :01:59.Hawkins. It looked good for UKIP last night,
:02:00. > :02:03.toasting the results with champagne in mugs and after having beaten
:02:04. > :02:09.their rivals nationwide, it looked better to their leader this morning.
:02:10. > :02:13.My dream's become a reality. Despite the onslaught, as if the whole world
:02:14. > :02:16.was against us, the British politic have stood firm, they have backed
:02:17. > :02:30.UKIP and we have won a national election. I'm over the moon.
:02:31. > :02:34.It went wrong because there's a very febrile anti`European atmosphere in
:02:35. > :02:38.this country at the moment. There's a general disaffection with politics
:02:39. > :02:42.and politicians. More votes and more MEPs for Labour, they beat the
:02:43. > :02:45.Conservatives but only just and everyone's wondering how UKIP did so
:02:46. > :02:50.well. This isn't really about Europe. We
:02:51. > :02:54.know that there was a huge amount of discontent, both with the economy
:02:55. > :02:57.really coming after the 2008`09 crash and with politics generally.
:02:58. > :03:01.For the Conservatives, in third place, similar questions.
:03:02. > :03:05.I think the results show a clear message which is people are deeply
:03:06. > :03:08.the disillusioned with the European Union, with the way that it's
:03:09. > :03:13.working for Britain and they want change, the challenge is now for my
:03:14. > :03:20.party to demonstrate that we have the plan to deliver that change.
:03:21. > :03:24.There were scuffles as the BNP arrived at Manchester Town Hall, but
:03:25. > :03:28.Nick Griffin had already been beaten by the voters. The big picture
:03:29. > :03:34.though, a UKIP triumph. The question is whether we'll see more of this at
:03:35. > :03:39.the general election. Joining me here at Westminster is
:03:40. > :03:42.Labour's Shadow Business Secretary, Chuka Umunna, thank you very much
:03:43. > :03:47.for your time. There was another poor showing wasn't it, defeated but
:03:48. > :03:56.UKIP and only marginally ahead of the Conservatives? I couldn't agree
:03:57. > :04:02.more. In this election, just passed, we got more than 25% of the vote, 20
:04:03. > :04:07.MEPs compared to 13. We are waiting for the final results. We expect
:04:08. > :04:12.around 20. That's coming off the back of a very solid performance in
:04:13. > :04:16.the local elections. Is that Be` complacent, given where you were in
:04:17. > :04:20.2009 with Gordon Brown, only just ahead of the Conservatives, as the
:04:21. > :04:25.main opposition party behind UKIP? Let's not forget, we haven't won a
:04:26. > :04:28.European election in over 20 years and that that includes during the
:04:29. > :04:31.premiership and leadership of Tony Blair when we got two landslide
:04:32. > :04:35.victories and a third general election victory. What happens in
:04:36. > :04:38.the European elections isn't necessarily indicative of what
:04:39. > :04:42.happens in a general election, of course. You will remember William
:04:43. > :04:47.Hague won the European elections in 1999 but went down to a landslide
:04:48. > :04:50.defeat in 2001. What we have seen is a good, solid performance, does that
:04:51. > :04:54.mean that the general election is in the bag next year? Absolutely not.
:04:55. > :04:59.We have got to keep building on the success and winning back more
:05:00. > :05:03.support. Sure. In terms of the local election result, you saw us putting
:05:04. > :05:06.on seats in the crucial marginal constituency seats. But there is a
:05:07. > :05:11.theme with UKIP isn't there, affecting all of the main parties,
:05:12. > :05:15.but is your colleague Jon Mann right that you made an error, you didn't
:05:16. > :05:19.take them on strongly enough? I don't agree with that. What I think
:05:20. > :05:22.you will see, going into the general election, UKIP have stated they want
:05:23. > :05:27.to get 20 seat at the general election, is that there'll be more
:05:28. > :05:30.scrutiny of their policies. Nigel Farage has been saying this is
:05:31. > :05:36.beyond... I'm talking ability you, Labour? But it comes to us because
:05:37. > :05:41.this is about policy, how it's going to affect your viewers' lives, is it
:05:42. > :05:45.going to affect them. But I'm asking how you plan to get the voters back.
:05:46. > :05:49.Is Ed Balls right when he says that you need to be clearer, talk more
:05:50. > :05:53.about immigration? We have been talking about immigration. He's
:05:54. > :05:57.talking about... Saying he'll toughen up on border control, we'll
:05:58. > :06:01.ensure people are counted in and out, he'll stop the exploitation of
:06:02. > :06:05.workers which is bad for migrant Labour because they get exploited,
:06:06. > :06:10.it's bad for Labour in this country because they get undercut. He's
:06:11. > :06:14.going to do things about that. All of the parties have been losing
:06:15. > :06:18.support to UKIP, but what UKIP has become is a repository for people's
:06:19. > :06:22.anger within the economy and the political system. I wouldn't deny,
:06:23. > :06:25.by the why there are people who vote UKIP because they believe they have
:06:26. > :06:29.got strong views on the European Union, but above and beyond, it's
:06:30. > :06:32.about people's discontent. You are slightly guessing, but I wonder if
:06:33. > :06:35.you have got a credibility problem in terms of what you did on
:06:36. > :06:41.immigration whilst you were in Government because, as you touched
:06:42. > :06:44.upon it, you have got a lot of policies that perhaps working class
:06:45. > :06:49.people would support the minimum wadge for example, zero hour
:06:50. > :06:54.contract, rent, all those thing, yet you are losing those people towel
:06:55. > :07:01.kip. That is a problem vsmt people tuned you out because they don't
:07:02. > :07:11.trust you on immigration `` people to UKIP. That is the problem. If you
:07:12. > :07:15.looked at Labour's vote between 1997 and 2005, we lost four to five
:07:16. > :07:21.million vote, including in heartland areas. Part of the problem was that
:07:22. > :07:24.the massive explosion in globalisation, technological change
:07:25. > :07:28.passed many communities by. If we say for example got rid of the
:07:29. > :07:32.Eastern European immigrants, pulled out the EU as UKIP suggests, would
:07:33. > :07:36.it solve the problem that so many of our businesses... Nigel Farage is
:07:37. > :07:41.right though, if you stay within the EU, you cannot control legitimate
:07:42. > :07:45.immigration? That is the problem isn't it? That's not right. There
:07:46. > :07:49.was a habitual residents test which you have to be able to comply with
:07:50. > :07:52.to claim benefits, you have to be able to show that you can work here
:07:53. > :07:57.for example. What I'm saying is, if all those Eastern Europeans that he
:07:58. > :08:01.talks about often in very unfavourable ways and nasty horrible
:08:02. > :08:05.terms, if they left our country, would the businesses be able to
:08:06. > :08:10.recruit people with the skills they need, no, because we need to sort
:08:11. > :08:13.out the skills system, to get more engineering and technical skills for
:08:14. > :08:19.young people and apprenticeships. UKIP in a way are subject to a test
:08:20. > :08:23.that we are not subject to. UKIP say to people, you are angry, we are
:08:24. > :08:26.angry too and that builds support. The job for prospective parties of
:08:27. > :08:29.Government is to come up with solutions and I want your viewers,
:08:30. > :08:33.their children who're watching this programme, I want to ensure they
:08:34. > :08:38.have got the right skills that our businesses need. That the solution.
:08:39. > :08:42.Sure but you are only 12 months out from an election. Why aren't you
:08:43. > :08:46.doing better? Do you think part of the reason is, Graham Stringer was
:08:47. > :08:49.critical of the strategy and the way the leadership's been directing the
:08:50. > :08:52.party and communicating with the public, do you have an Ed Miliband
:08:53. > :08:58.problem? I don't accept the picture you are painting. I've got lots of
:08:59. > :09:02.respect for Graham but let's not forget in May 2010, if you asked
:09:03. > :09:06.people whether Labour could be a one`term opposition, they would have
:09:07. > :09:11.laughed at you. People are seriously considering us as a proposition for
:09:12. > :09:15.Government next year now. We put on around 2,000 councillors before we
:09:16. > :09:18.went in. Sure, you made that point. Address the point about Ed Miliband
:09:19. > :09:23.because... I don't think... YouGov were saying they done polling, 56%
:09:24. > :09:30.of people saying they think he looks and sounds a bit weird. Poll goes up
:09:31. > :09:34.and down. What matters is. He's at the lowest in terms of possible
:09:35. > :09:40.ratings. Is that part of the problem? Yes.
:09:41. > :09:47.I will talk to you about how we put on 10% more. I talked to you about
:09:48. > :09:51.how we have dealt with things we need to do. I'm asking why you are
:09:52. > :09:55.not further ahead in the polls in two sets of elections after four
:09:56. > :10:01.years of austerity and I'm asking you is it to do partly with your
:10:02. > :10:06.leader? No, it's not. I ask you to remember, we went down to the second
:10:07. > :10:08.worst defeat in 2010 and we have sought to rebuild. That's what we
:10:09. > :10:13.have done. Approached this with humility in light of the big defeat
:10:14. > :10:18.we went down to in 2010. Safe in the knowledge that we have got to do
:10:19. > :10:23.even better than already to win next year. You will have pored over the
:10:24. > :10:27.weekend papers and seen your name mentioned as a possible successor to
:10:28. > :10:31.Ed Miliband, does that interest you? Not at all. I backed his leadership
:10:32. > :10:34.campaign before anybody thought he could become the leader of the
:10:35. > :10:37.Labour Party because I thought he was the one who was best qualified
:10:38. > :10:42.to become Prime Minister. That is still the case and any talk of soap
:10:43. > :10:46.opera nonsense that you get around this place is totally
:10:47. > :10:49.self`indulgent. What everybody is focussed on in the Labour Party is
:10:50. > :10:53.ensuring that we have Ed Miliband as our Prime Minister this time in next
:10:54. > :10:57.year to deliver a better tomorrow for your viewers. They've for your
:10:58. > :11:00.time here on BBC News. `` thank you very much for your time here on BBC
:11:01. > :11:05.News. We'll wait to hear from Nick Clegg. Still haven't heard from him.
:11:06. > :11:08.We heard from Tim Farron through the night in terms of their reaction to
:11:09. > :11:11.the devastating results for the Liberal Democrats, but the Prime
:11:12. > :11:15.Minister has been speaking in the last hour or so, and David Cameron
:11:16. > :11:18.said that people are deeply disillusioned with the EU. Let us
:11:19. > :11:23.hear that. I think the results show a very
:11:24. > :11:25.clear message which is people are deeply disillusioned with the
:11:26. > :11:29.European Union, the way that it's working and working for Britain and
:11:30. > :11:34.they want change. The challenge is now for my party to demonstrate that
:11:35. > :11:37.we have the plan to deliver that change, to renegotiate Britain's
:11:38. > :11:41.place in Europe, to get a better deal for Britain, to change Europe
:11:42. > :11:44.and then to put the choice to the British people in an in`out
:11:45. > :11:49.referendum before the end of 2017. That is what we'll do and the real
:11:50. > :11:53.test for that plan will come at the next general election. There are
:11:54. > :11:55.people saying that people voting for UKIP aren't necessarily just
:11:56. > :11:59.interested in Europe and that this is a kicking of the major parties,
:12:00. > :12:01.on the other hand perhaps you are completely out of touch on the
:12:02. > :12:05.issues that people really care about? Well, people use elections
:12:06. > :12:08.like this to send messages to the Government and the message on Europe
:12:09. > :12:13.I absolutely receive and understand which is people want change in
:12:14. > :12:16.Europe. Of course after a long and difficult recession, people do have
:12:17. > :12:20.other things they are frustrated about. Them to see more jobs, they
:12:21. > :12:24.want to see higher living standards and see us complete our long`term
:12:25. > :12:29.economic plan and I see that as a demand for us to deliver and we've
:12:30. > :12:32.got to demonstrate that tackling immigration, reforming welfare,
:12:33. > :12:36.getting Britain's place right in Europe, all of these things are part
:12:37. > :12:41.of our long`term economic plan that has seen an increase in the number
:12:42. > :12:44.of people in work, taxes cut, the deficit down, but there's a lot more
:12:45. > :12:48.to do. How do you feel about UKIP now? I know you are sticking to the
:12:49. > :12:52.line that really a vote next year is just for a Conservative Government.
:12:53. > :12:57.But realistically, isn't a pact a good idea?
:12:58. > :13:01.I believe we can win the next election outright and we should put
:13:02. > :13:03.in front of people our message which is let's complete the long`term
:13:04. > :13:06.economic plan which is turning this country around. So we can win that
:13:07. > :13:11.election, we are going to have to work harder, do more and convince
:13:12. > :13:15.more people and that is what I'll be spending my time doing this next 350
:13:16. > :13:18.days. One question about Nick Clegg. He's looking vulnerable. He is your
:13:19. > :13:19.Deputy Prime Minister. days. One question about Nick Clegg.
:13:20. > :13:24.He's looking vulnerable. He Where does in all leave the coalition,
:13:25. > :13:26.especially if he goes? Well, the coal six a sfroning Government
:13:27. > :13:29.that's delivering for Britain, particularly in terms of turning
:13:30. > :13:34.round our economy, getting people back to work, cutting tacks. That
:13:35. > :13:37.work will continue. People will be in no doubt, or should be in no
:13:38. > :13:40.doubt that we have a strong, determined Government with a clear
:13:41. > :13:43.plan and that plan continues. A coalition without Nick Clegg, how
:13:44. > :13:48.does that work though? Look, the Liberal Democrats, that's for them
:13:49. > :13:52.to decide themselves, I'm very clear, we have a strong coalition
:13:53. > :13:55.Government that is effectively changing our country, putting people
:13:56. > :13:59.back to work, cutting people eats taxes, getting the deficit down, we
:14:00. > :14:03.have a very clear plan. My job as Prime Minister is to stick to and
:14:04. > :14:05.deliver that plan. That's what I'll be working flat out doing over the
:14:06. > :14:13.next 350 days. The full Scottish result will be
:14:14. > :14:16.known until lunchtime, as no counting is permitted
:14:17. > :14:19.in the Western Isles on a Sunday. As it stands UKIP is on course to
:14:20. > :14:33.win its first Scottish while the SNP Significant, because when you look
:14:34. > :14:40.across the whole of the country, there is likely to be in UKIP
:14:41. > :14:44.presence. That is right. You cannot talk about a political earthquake in
:14:45. > :14:48.Scotland, because UKIP support is nowhere near what it is in other
:14:49. > :14:55.parts of the UK, but you could certainly say, Andy suggested, that
:14:56. > :14:58.it looks as though UKIP will have representation in Scotland as well
:14:59. > :15:03.as the rest of the UK, and that is a bit of a surprise for the
:15:04. > :15:08.established parties in Scotland. One of the big pictures before polling
:15:09. > :15:14.day last week was, vote for us to keep UKIP out of Scotland, and that
:15:15. > :15:19.appeal has failed to some extent and means that the SNP has some
:15:20. > :15:24.explaining to do as to how it is that this right`wing party seems to
:15:25. > :15:27.have gained some significance in a part of the UK and Scotland which is
:15:28. > :15:31.generally seen as being more left`wing than the rest of the
:15:32. > :15:36.country. People cannot have voted without
:15:37. > :15:39.thinking about the referendum, that is not that far away. Is there
:15:40. > :15:45.anything from these sets of results in the way people have voted that
:15:46. > :15:51.will perhaps any of the parties would be looking at them and
:15:52. > :15:58.thinking, idea like the way that has gone? If you look at the governing
:15:59. > :16:03.party in Scotland, their votes has held up, 29%, as it was more or less
:16:04. > :16:10.in 2009, so there is some comfort for them there. Labour's that has
:16:11. > :16:14.gone up and the Tory's that has gone up marginally. The Liberal Democrats
:16:15. > :16:20.are in sixth place below the Green Party and UKIP. To some extent,
:16:21. > :16:24.people's votes will have been polarized if they are thinking about
:16:25. > :16:34.the vote in the `` referendum in September. If they `` it is very
:16:35. > :16:39.difficult to extrapolate, because you cannot say that if you are
:16:40. > :16:42.voting SNP if you are in favour of independence, but all of the main
:16:43. > :16:48.parties will take some comfort from the fact that there votes have held
:16:49. > :16:57.up generally, apart from the Lib Dems, since 2009.
:16:58. > :16:59.In Wales, Labour narrowly came top in the polls,
:17:00. > :17:15.In terms of the story from Wales, the Tories won last time around in
:17:16. > :17:22.2009, so a big turnaround. It is a curious mix of all change, and as
:17:23. > :17:33.the shutter and the four Welsh seats in the European Parliament remained
:17:34. > :17:38.in the hands of Labour and UKIP. That is `` but look beyond that and
:17:39. > :17:43.there are have been some very big indeed in the number of votes, the
:17:44. > :17:47.share of the votes that each of those four parties have had. In
:17:48. > :17:52.2009, the Conservatives topped the poll, and this time it is Labour, no
:17:53. > :17:57.surprise there, very much in line with what the opinion polls were
:17:58. > :18:02.suggesting. But Labour has fallen considerably short of the number of
:18:03. > :18:06.votes it needed to win two seats in the European Parliament for Wales,
:18:07. > :18:11.that is the gold that was set, and they have not reached that. By
:18:12. > :18:16.contrast, UKIP are delighted, because they came second in Wales,
:18:17. > :18:22.just a whisker behind Labour, 0.6% of the vote, in fact. Throughout the
:18:23. > :18:28.campaign, UKIP had been saying they thought they had a chance of topping
:18:29. > :18:36.the poll in Wales. They very nearly did do that. 4500 votes short of
:18:37. > :18:40.what Labour had tallied. In 2009, UKIP had surprised even themselves,
:18:41. > :18:46.I think, by winning a seat in Wales, a contrast with last night
:18:47. > :18:48.where they came ahead of the Conservatives comfortably. The
:18:49. > :18:53.Conservatives have slipped back from 2009, in which they topped the polls
:18:54. > :19:02.in Wales, the first time in a very long time, the first time since 1918
:19:03. > :19:06.that Labour had not topped the poll. There were some polls suggesting
:19:07. > :19:12.that one party was in danger of losing its seat in the European
:19:13. > :19:18.element. Jill Evans is the party's and she been since 1999 and she is
:19:19. > :19:27.going to keep her seat. The `` the party's MEP. Things have really been
:19:28. > :19:49.shaken up. Let's have a look at a European story that's emerged. Let's
:19:50. > :19:55.look in`depth at what across Europe. Let's had to Brussels. An emergency
:19:56. > :20:02.cabinet meeting this morning. Yes, big shock in the UK and in France,
:20:03. > :20:08.where the national front is shaking things up for stop the president's
:20:09. > :20:13.own front has had its worst showing ever in European elections. But
:20:14. > :20:19.don't know if you can see behind me, the this is the up`to`date results
:20:20. > :20:26.here at the European Parliament. They are showing that the two big
:20:27. > :20:40.blocks, 214 on the right, 189 on the left, they are all pro`integration
:20:41. > :20:43.with the EU, and they are going to control the European Parliament. One
:20:44. > :20:48.insider said to me this morning that there might be a grand coalition
:20:49. > :20:53.that seeks to deepen the powers of the EU even further. We are not
:20:54. > :20:56.quite sure how much influence the insurgents can wield here, but they
:20:57. > :21:12.are certainly going to try to be disruptive. A first for the national
:21:13. > :21:15.front. One in four of the votes cast in France went to the
:21:16. > :21:21.anti`immigrant, far right party, a huge jump in support. The party's
:21:22. > :21:27.leader said that the sovereign people had spoken loudly and wanted
:21:28. > :21:32.to be masters of their own destiny. It was a vote against the unpopular
:21:33. > :21:45.socialist president but also against EU membership as well. The NT way
:21:46. > :21:52.macro Danish party `` when MEP meteor, they will be critical of...
:21:53. > :21:58.The mainstream centre`right and centerleft parties will have a voice
:21:59. > :22:03.here, but there will be a disruptive block of dissent.
:22:04. > :22:08.And they don't just come from the right. In Greece, a radical left
:22:09. > :22:12.party topped the poll. The country has been hardest hit by the
:22:13. > :22:19.austerity and one by opposing the cuts. The far right old and on came
:22:20. > :22:22.the third, winning MEP for the first time. There has been a backlash
:22:23. > :22:29.against Europe and immigration and it is the front national's win in
:22:30. > :22:36.France and the wind of UKIP in Britain that define this election.
:22:37. > :22:42.Let's go to France now, to our correspondent in Paris. An upsurge
:22:43. > :22:49.of anger against the establishment. How has the establishment reacted?
:22:50. > :22:53.Some gloomy faces around the establishment this morning. Good
:22:54. > :22:58.morning from Paris. You might agonize that big thing behind me.
:22:59. > :23:01.This was the scene of a massacre during the Revolution, and some
:23:02. > :23:08.might see a massacre in these figures for the two mainstream
:23:09. > :23:11.parties. There have been some revolutionary ideas about the way
:23:12. > :23:15.the French feel about Europe at the moment. It is not just a regional
:23:16. > :23:20.result, it is right across the country, they finished top, 17%
:23:21. > :23:25.around the country, and they have taken the bulk of the working`class
:23:26. > :23:29.vote and 30% of the votes of people who are under 35. Let's have a
:23:30. > :23:37.closer look at these figures and how they break down. 25.41% of the vote,
:23:38. > :23:42.a huge surge for the front national. They had just three seats
:23:43. > :23:48.in the European Parliament and now they will have between 23 and 25.
:23:49. > :23:56.The party of the former president Nicolas Sarkozy went down to 20%.
:23:57. > :24:06.They have lost between eight and ten seats. Just look at the socialists.
:24:07. > :24:09.A lamentable performance. A real crisis mode within the Socialist
:24:10. > :24:14.Party at the moment. They have lost between three and four seats. A
:24:15. > :24:19.crisis meeting of the cabinet this meet `` morning. The headline coming
:24:20. > :24:23.out of that is they are going to try and cut taxes for middle and lower
:24:24. > :24:29.income families. How they are going to do that, goodness only knows.
:24:30. > :24:33.They are under pressure from Brussels to cut this deficit that
:24:34. > :24:39.they have here in France. Lots of things to think about. Prices on the
:24:40. > :24:44.left and right. `` crises. Immigration will be looked at, and
:24:45. > :24:48.to think what you will get in that Parliament building behind you is a
:24:49. > :24:53.block of French parliamentarians who really want reform, not just the
:24:54. > :25:02.national front, but the UNP as well, and they are going to what answers
:25:03. > :25:05.in the months ahead. We are about to move to Berlin, but let me show you
:25:06. > :25:10.what is happening behind us. This is the leadership of one of the big
:25:11. > :25:14.parties, the party of European Socialists, and they are talking
:25:15. > :25:17.about what they do next, they are talking about growth, the need to
:25:18. > :25:21.make themselves relevant economically. We are going to take
:25:22. > :25:24.you to Berlin, where our correspondent has been watching the
:25:25. > :25:29.results. It was not the insurgent earthquake, but it was an
:25:30. > :25:32.interesting alternative. Not an earthquake but certainly a
:25:33. > :25:40.tremor, something for Chancellor Merkel to think about. And in the
:25:41. > :25:45.euro party got 70% of the votes, and that gets it into the political
:25:46. > :25:48.system, if you like, so there is a strong view that the euro has had
:25:49. > :25:56.its day. The majority parties remain. The voice is now in there.
:25:57. > :26:03.What does it mean for Britain? If the debate in Germany was two years
:26:04. > :26:05.ago, about how much power should go from Berlin to Brussels, in other
:26:06. > :26:10.words, an assumption that the movement was all in that direction,
:26:11. > :26:16.the presence of alternative for Deutsche land Dean's that will slow
:26:17. > :26:20.at that the `` means that will slow that process up. Angela Merkel knows
:26:21. > :26:24.there is skepticism about integration and that might make her
:26:25. > :26:28.more amenable to phone calls from David Cameron to do something about
:26:29. > :26:33.that process. On top of that, because of a change in the rules
:26:34. > :26:38.here, we have got a whole host of very small parties, all getting one
:26:39. > :26:43.seat. The far right have got one seat, some call them neo`Nazis, but
:26:44. > :26:51.they deny that, but they are certainly extreme right and they
:26:52. > :26:55.will have one seat. A party called the party, it gets one seat. The
:26:56. > :27:01.German contribution to the parliaments will be very mixed and
:27:02. > :27:08.very different ends very much harder to predict in its behaviour.
:27:09. > :27:12.Just briefly, you have talked about the way that Angela Merkel might be
:27:13. > :27:17.speaking with David Cameron, but you also have to think about the Franco
:27:18. > :27:19.German access at the heart of the European Union, and the French
:27:20. > :27:23.people are saying they would like to pull back.
:27:24. > :27:29.The one thing that comes from the governing party this year is, this
:27:30. > :27:32.morning, is dismayed about the situation in France, and I thing
:27:33. > :27:39.that will make Angela Merkel think, we really do need prison within the
:27:40. > :27:44.European Union, and also, how do we get this position of the euro back
:27:45. > :27:48.when there is this jaundiced view across the whole of the continent,
:27:49. > :27:51.this you that something has gone out later on, that's the direction has
:27:52. > :27:57.been a bit too fast in the wrong direction.
:27:58. > :28:02.Thank you very much. Just referring to what is happening behind me, what
:28:03. > :28:05.is being said by the party of European Socialists, is that their
:28:06. > :28:10.candidate for the president of the European Commission is a centerleft
:28:11. > :28:17.candidate and they want him to get that position that we have heard
:28:18. > :28:21.only a few minutes and the candidate on the centre`right says, it is my
:28:22. > :28:26.turn. There is haggling for the top jobs that could help design the
:28:27. > :28:36.weight Europe goes over the next five years.
:28:37. > :28:47.Thank you very much. Plenty more from around Europe and the major
:28:48. > :28:51.capitals in the next few moments. Ed Miliband giving his reaction to last
:28:52. > :28:54.night's results. Labour made good progress pushing the Tories into
:28:55. > :28:58.third place for the first time ever in a national election.
:28:59. > :29:02.But I think what last night also reflects, including among those who
:29:03. > :29:07.voted for UKIP, is a desire for Europe to work better for Britain
:29:08. > :29:11.and also a deep sense of discontent with the way this country is run and
:29:12. > :29:15.the way our economy works. I'm absolutely determined over the next
:29:16. > :29:25.year to show people that Labour can bring the change.
:29:26. > :29:29.Doesn't this tell you though it's time to think about offering the
:29:30. > :29:33.British public a referendum? We set our orposition for the election on
:29:34. > :29:36.the referendum. We'll have one if there's any transfer of power to the
:29:37. > :29:40.European Union. But I think these results go much deeper than what's
:29:41. > :29:44.happening in Europe. I think there are a lot about what's happening in
:29:45. > :29:47.Britain and that people think Britain doesn't work for them and
:29:48. > :29:51.our economy doesn't work for them. My priority as Prime Minister will
:29:52. > :29:58.be to tackle that and show we can tackle the big issues people worry
:29:59. > :30:03.about in this country. When you look at the turnout, you could say the
:30:04. > :30:07.winner was apathy, followed by Euro`Scepticism, people don't just
:30:08. > :30:10.want a referendum on power, but they want one on whether to be in Europe?
:30:11. > :30:14.I think you are right about the turnout. It's true that two thirds
:30:15. > :30:18.of people didn't vote. I think that's a sign that there is huge
:30:19. > :30:21.discontent with the political process and indeed all the party's
:30:22. > :30:25.standings from those that didn't vote. Our task is to show people
:30:26. > :30:30.that whether it's about their son or daughter getting a job, the
:30:31. > :30:34.cost`of`living crisis, the NHS, so many of the issues they are worried
:30:35. > :30:38.about that people talk to me around the country about, we cannance that
:30:39. > :30:42.call for change. It's all about changing Britain, that's what the
:30:43. > :30:49.Labour could would do `` can answer that call for change.
:30:50. > :30:55.There were people saying that you should have done better in the
:30:56. > :30:58.European elections. Do you take responsibility We won the local
:30:59. > :31:01.election, beat the Tories in the European elections, we were making
:31:02. > :31:04.gains in some of the key seats that we need to win for the general
:31:05. > :31:08.election. So these elections show Labour make program gross. We have
:31:09. > :31:11.got further to go and I'm absolutely determined we do that. Could you
:31:12. > :31:16.have done better and should you have? I think we did well from a
:31:17. > :31:21.party that in 2010 got one of its worst shares of the vote ever in an
:31:22. > :31:24.election. Labour is a party over the last few years that has been making
:31:25. > :31:27.progress. There's further to go but I believe we are in a position where
:31:28. > :31:32.we can win the general election. Are you election.` really on track for
:31:33. > :31:36.that though? The European elections and local election results don't put
:31:37. > :31:39.you in a strong enough position for a majority in Westminster next year.
:31:40. > :31:43.I think if you look in detail at what the results were in those local
:31:44. > :31:49.elections, you see that in lots of the key areas that we need to win
:31:50. > :31:52.right across Britain, they have been really important target seats.
:31:53. > :31:56.Labour was winning those key seats, if you look at the votes that were
:31:57. > :32:00.cast. I think that is a sign that Labour can win the general election,
:32:01. > :32:04.we have got further to go, but I'm determined that we do win.
:32:05. > :32:08.When you look at the big picture, the results show an electorate that
:32:09. > :32:12.in many ways is moving to the right. You are at the Head of A party which
:32:13. > :32:19.is in some ways moving to the left. Aren't you going the wrong way? I
:32:20. > :32:26.don't see it that way. I see deep discontent, a sense that it hasn't
:32:27. > :32:30.worked for people for some time now. People are asking whether any
:32:31. > :32:33.politician can turn it around. We are a party that says Britain
:32:34. > :32:37.does need to change, unlike the Conservatives who say everything's
:32:38. > :32:40.fixed and getting better. Our job over the next year is to show people
:32:41. > :32:43.that we can bring the change we need. We have convinced some people
:32:44. > :32:47.of that, we need to convince more of that. That's what I'm going to do.
:32:48. > :32:54.You seem to have done well in London in the sets of elections. You seem
:32:55. > :32:57.to be in tune with the country here, but less so beyond the capital.
:32:58. > :33:01.London in some ways save you from coming third in the European
:33:02. > :33:05.elections. Do you worry about how well you are
:33:06. > :33:10.doing outside London? It's a varying picture across the UK, as you saw at
:33:11. > :33:15.the local elections and the European elections last night. All I snow
:33:16. > :33:19.that across the country, people asking a similar question. They are
:33:20. > :33:23.asking questions about the future for their kids and whether they can
:33:24. > :33:30.make ends meet. They are asking about whether this
:33:31. > :33:34.country over a long period of time, why their hard work isn't being
:33:35. > :33:38.rewarded by life getting better. It's those questions that people
:33:39. > :33:40.were asking, and it's those fundamental questions that need to
:33:41. > :33:43.be answered and that's what I believe Labour will do.
:33:44. > :33:48.Finally, this has been an astonishing result for UKIP, topping
:33:49. > :33:52.a national pole without having a single MP. Would you like to
:33:53. > :33:57.congratulate Nige feel Raj? Of course I will congratulate him on
:33:58. > :34:00.winning the elections. I think the questions that will be asked about
:34:01. > :34:04.UKIP in the year ahead towards the general election is where they stand
:34:05. > :34:08.on some of the major issues that will be decided in a general
:34:09. > :34:10.election, where they stand on taxation and spending and the
:34:11. > :34:15.National Health Service, those questions will be asked of UKIP. But
:34:16. > :34:20.I think the task for Labour is to understand lessons of the elections
:34:21. > :34:24.and show that we can answer that desire for change. Many people
:34:25. > :34:27.voting for UKIP will say we are discontent with the way the country
:34:28. > :34:29.works and we are asking whether politics can answer that. I intend
:34:30. > :34:35.to show we can. Thank you very much.
:34:36. > :34:39.Ed Miliband there with his reaction to the results, saying there was
:34:40. > :34:42.deep discontent within the country. Our job, he said, is to show people
:34:43. > :34:49.we can bring the change. He was asked about the referendum position,
:34:50. > :34:52.no change in that position. We heard Graeme Stringer earlier urging him
:34:53. > :35:01.to trust the people. He said there would be no referendum unless there
:35:02. > :35:05.was a transfer of power. He was asked should he have done
:35:06. > :35:08.better and he made the point there's further to go, they are making
:35:09. > :35:11.progress he thought and he said they could still win the general
:35:12. > :35:14.election. Those the headline thoughts from the Labour leader.
:35:15. > :35:23.We'll have more from here in the coming minutes.
:35:24. > :35:27.Let's catch up with the weather. Boar Thank you. A contrast in
:35:28. > :35:32.weather conditions this Bank Holiday Monday. Northern areas seeing
:35:33. > :35:37.sunshine. Many areas will be unsettled with
:35:38. > :35:40.rain at times, breezy in the east. The best of the conditions will be
:35:41. > :35:44.across the extreme north and west of the UK. You have the rain across
:35:45. > :35:49.central southern areas into the south`east. Heavy bursts mixed in,
:35:50. > :35:52.but gradually it will fragment. Sunshine developing to spark off
:35:53. > :35:56.heavy showers, there are certainly some across Scotland and Northern
:35:57. > :36:00.Ireland, into the south`west, some thundery and slow`moving too.
:36:01. > :36:06.Tonight, a few showers still around, but the focus will be the rain
:36:07. > :36:17.moving in off the near continue tent into the counties.
:36:18. > :36:22.Breezy and cool down the East Coast. In the sunshine further west, it
:36:23. > :36:32.will feel warm with a top temperature of 18.
:36:33. > :36:39.We are taking stock of those We are taking stock of those
:36:40. > :36:42.European elections results And analysing what it mean force the
:36:43. > :36:46.main parties. We'll have reaction from across Europe in a moment, but
:36:47. > :36:51.if you are just joining us, welcome, we'll take you through.
:36:52. > :36:55.Nige feel Raj #15ied the dream has become a reality.
:36:56. > :37:02.Startling performance from UKIP in the European elections.
:37:03. > :37:06.23 MEPs with a 27% share of the vote. He said that was the most
:37:07. > :37:12.extraordinary result in British politics for 100 years. Now, the
:37:13. > :37:19.Liberal Democrats, they have faced almost wipe out, only winning one
:37:20. > :37:24.MEP, they have been pushed into fifth. Labour have made gains, only
:37:25. > :37:32.just ahead to the vote share of the Conservatives.
:37:33. > :37:38.UKIP making a gain of 10 MEPs in those seats that they have won. So
:37:39. > :37:41.those the results in so far. Still waiting for the results in the
:37:42. > :37:47.Northern Ireland and in Scotland. In Scotland we expect the results to
:37:48. > :37:52.come in around lunch time. Let's get the thoughts of Norman Smith and
:37:53. > :37:59.Norman, what is your analysis of the results we have had?
:38:00. > :38:03.Well, a huge, huge triumph, very obviously, for UKIP who now say they
:38:04. > :38:13.believe they are on course for seats at the general election and may even
:38:14. > :38:17.hold the balance of power. Whether it's an earthquake, we'll
:38:18. > :38:20.have to see, but the tea cups are rattling and the ground is shaking.
:38:21. > :38:30.Let's be honest, this is not a general election.
:38:31. > :38:35.Half of UKIP's supporters say they'll stick with them at the
:38:36. > :38:39.general election. That means their support goes down to 14% which makes
:38:40. > :38:47.it harder to win seats at a general election and we know his forically
:38:48. > :38:50.the first`past`the`post system is there, on top of which they are
:38:51. > :38:52.going to have to talk about other policies. They can't keep going on
:38:53. > :38:55.about Europe or immigration. policies. They can't keep going on
:38:56. > :38:59.about Europe They are going to have to come forward with issues on the
:39:00. > :39:06.NHS and the economy. That means they'll be far more open.
:39:07. > :39:11.Many Farage has already indicate head knows he cannot go on as a
:39:12. > :39:18.one`man band. But they are going to have to develop a broader range of
:39:19. > :39:25.credible, individuals, so there's still an awfully long way for you
:39:26. > :39:30.dip go. `` UKIP to go. Be in no doubt, they have caused three main
:39:31. > :39:34.parties huge disquiet and unease as they ponder what on earth they do
:39:35. > :39:38.and how they respond to the UKIP challenge. We have heard some of
:39:39. > :39:42.that. We listened to Ed Miliband, we have heard the Prime Minister
:39:43. > :39:46.earlier and we are waiting to hear from Nick Clegg after almost wipe
:39:47. > :39:52.out in these elections on top of what happened on Friday. Is it
:39:53. > :39:57.survivalable for him? `` survivable for him? I think things are perhaps
:39:58. > :40:08.more ominous for him than those around him appear to appreciate.
:40:09. > :40:12.Over the past few hours, we have heard from the party, like Paddy
:40:13. > :40:18.Ashdown and Tim Farron rallying round. It seems there is much more
:40:19. > :40:21.significant discontent and I've learned that the Liberal Democrat
:40:22. > :40:25.Parliamentary candidate, Helen Flynn, standing in the target seat
:40:26. > :40:31.of Harrogate, she's also added her voice to those calling on Nick Clegg
:40:32. > :40:34.to stand down. We have had three Lib Dem Parliamentary candidates who've
:40:35. > :40:40.gone public with demands for her to break ranks. Why I say it's more
:40:41. > :40:44.serious for Nick Clegg than he might realise is this is not an accident,
:40:45. > :40:49.there is a degree of coordination going on here and through the day, I
:40:50. > :40:53.expect we'll see other Liberal Democrats breaking cover to votes
:40:54. > :40:57.their view that the reason the Liberal Democrats did so badly last
:40:58. > :41:00.night and in the locals was very largely because of Nick Clegg who's
:41:01. > :41:05.toxic. They regard him as a leader who must take responsibility and
:41:06. > :41:10.accountability for last night's results and my sense is that we will
:41:11. > :41:16.see a carefully collaborated attempt to crank up the pressure on him.
:41:17. > :41:20.Will we see MPs coming forward to demand he goes? We may. I'm being
:41:21. > :41:24.told we should expect others to break cover. That suggests to me
:41:25. > :41:27.that there is now a view, certain think grass roots, maybe in sections
:41:28. > :41:34.of the Parliamentary party, that it's time for Nick Clegg to go.
:41:35. > :41:38.That's very interesting. We'll watch that through the course of the day.
:41:39. > :41:42.Norman Smith at headquarters, thank you very much for now. Let's get the
:41:43. > :41:47.thoughts of Natalie Bennett, the leader of the Green in England and
:41:48. > :41:52.Wales who is with me now. You made a gain last night. We did indeed. I'm
:41:53. > :41:58.very pleased that we have elected the south`west. This is a great gain
:41:59. > :42:01.and a step forward for us and we are seeing Green Party member numbers
:42:02. > :42:06.grow fast. We have a positive message from last night. Is that
:42:07. > :42:10.something you anticipated, to push the Liberal Democrats into fifth?
:42:11. > :42:12.That is what we were hearing. There was deep satisfaction as the vote
:42:13. > :42:27.shows. We are offering a positive change in
:42:28. > :42:32.a Society of Politics that workforce a common good, not just for the good
:42:33. > :42:38.of some. The UKIP vote will force the other main parties to change, is
:42:39. > :42:42.it not? The signs are encouraging. What they have been doing up to now
:42:43. > :42:45.is chasing after UKIP on issues ranging from immigration to climate
:42:46. > :42:51.change. They have been trying to out UKIP. We say we have to stand up to
:42:52. > :42:54.UKIP. The free movement of people in the European Union, for example, is
:42:55. > :42:57.a good thing, to be celebrate and they climate change is here, a
:42:58. > :43:01.reality and we need to act. That makes you, on the first point
:43:02. > :43:05.certainly, out of kilter with the vast swathe to have public that
:43:06. > :43:09.voted. You've saw how they voted yesterday? I think we have to look
:43:10. > :43:12.at what this vote was. It was a vote against things and a vote being
:43:13. > :43:19.driven by fear. How do you know that? Well... People might have
:43:20. > :43:24.looked at the literature, listened to the policies and thought, I like
:43:25. > :43:29.the sound of that? Mr Farage doesn't have any policies, but we hear on
:43:30. > :43:36.the doorstep saying I'm voting you dip give Labour a kicking. If you
:43:37. > :43:42.look at the statistics, the in`out referendum, people said they wanted
:43:43. > :43:45.to stay in Europe, 37% were against `` I'm voting UKIP to give Labour a
:43:46. > :43:50.kicking. A quick question of how you think
:43:51. > :43:54.the results and what happens in Brussels and Strasbourg, how you
:43:55. > :43:57.think it will work there now. You have a lot of antiestablishment
:43:58. > :44:00.representation there, people who almost want to bring the thing down?
:44:01. > :44:04.Yes. So what do you think the effect of that is going to be in terms of
:44:05. > :44:09.how the whole system works? I think that's going to be difficult. It's a
:44:10. > :44:13.problem and Beale there as Greens fighting on the proposal of US free
:44:14. > :44:17.trade deal and fighting to protect and improve environmental standards.
:44:18. > :44:21.I think what we are looking at is potentially creative chaos, just as
:44:22. > :44:26.if the Scots vote yes in the referendum, we are in a period of
:44:27. > :44:31.rapid, massive change that. Opens possibilities up `` that opens up
:44:32. > :44:53.lots of possibilities. Do you think things will slow down in the
:44:54. > :45:02.European Parliament? Let's have a look at how there has
:45:03. > :45:10.been a big vote for the establishment parties of the right.
:45:11. > :45:18.Let's jump around and see how those have gone in countries. Let's see
:45:19. > :45:25.what our correspondent in Athens has to say. What has the reaction been?
:45:26. > :45:31.It is very much the anti`austerity parties that have done well here in
:45:32. > :45:36.Greece, unsurprisingly considering that Greek people have been feeling
:45:37. > :45:40.the pain of austerity perhaps more than most. We have the left`wing
:45:41. > :45:45.party which has done particularly well, top of the polls in the
:45:46. > :45:50.European elections. It now has six MEPs, and its whole message has been
:45:51. > :45:54.about fighting austerity, and its leader has said that this proves
:45:55. > :45:58.that the people of Greece want a change and they want to push for
:45:59. > :46:03.early elections, and he will be meeting with the President of Greece
:46:04. > :46:08.sometime this lunchtime to discuss the possibility of that. It is not
:46:09. > :46:12.clear whether he will get what he is after. The Prime Minister, of new
:46:13. > :46:16.democracy, which came second, does not want there to be early elections
:46:17. > :46:20.in Greece, and we have been hearing in local media that he is likely to
:46:21. > :46:27.have a reshuffle sometime this week in response to these results. On the
:46:28. > :46:31.other side of the political spectrum we have Golden Dawn, who are seen in
:46:32. > :46:37.Greece as being a neo`Nazi party, but they are denying that. Their
:46:38. > :46:40.leader and some of the other politicians and the party are in
:46:41. > :46:47.jail and are being accused of being a criminal organisation. The
:46:48. > :46:51.political `` people have voted for them and they now have three MEP in
:46:52. > :46:56.the European Parliament and they are seen as being so right wing that
:46:57. > :46:59.even Marine Le Pen in France has said she would not want to work with
:47:00. > :47:03.them, so you certainly have both sides of the political spectrum here
:47:04. > :47:06.in Greece getting votes from people who have been feeling the pain of
:47:07. > :47:12.austerity and have been expressing that through the polls. Now we will
:47:13. > :47:21.see what is going on there. Poland see what is going on there. Poland
:47:22. > :47:29.is questioning itself, however in the European figure, just how he
:47:30. > :47:34.could get enough votes to send for MEP to Parliament. He is hugely
:47:35. > :47:38.controversial in this country. He is a self`proclaimed monarchist and
:47:39. > :47:42.thinks democracy is stupid. He has said that women are less intelligent
:47:43. > :47:46.than men so they should not be allowed to vote. There is really no
:47:47. > :47:52.outright winner in this country and stop the centre`right governing
:47:53. > :47:56.party is tied practically neck and neck with the Conservative
:47:57. > :48:00.opposition party. There is barely a percentage points between them and
:48:01. > :48:07.they are both sending 19 MEPs to Brussels. Arguably, the leader of
:48:08. > :48:12.the opposition party, he is saying that they have won because they
:48:13. > :48:17.gained MEPs, said they will be sending those 19 MEPs to boost the
:48:18. > :48:21.figures of the European Conservatives and reformists. The
:48:22. > :48:25.leader of the Civic platform, although they have lost MEPs, they
:48:26. > :48:31.are going together with another centre`right party and they will be
:48:32. > :48:35.sending 23 MEPs to support the European people's party, so they are
:48:36. > :48:41.saying that they have one, however there is no real winner, and with
:48:42. > :48:45.the turnout once again low, 23% bothering to turn up, and it is
:48:46. > :48:49.gloriously sunny here, but no`one is really the winner here in this
:48:50. > :48:55.country. Let's find out what the situation is like in Italy. On a
:48:56. > :48:59.night when Eurosceptics were prospering in so many parts of the
:49:00. > :49:04.continent, a night when so many parties in power were in retreat,
:49:05. > :49:09.here in Rome, the Prime Minister and his pro`European Democratic Party,
:49:10. > :49:16.but `` bucked that trend and eight grand style. They went far bigger
:49:17. > :49:21.than any pollster had dared to predict. They handed a defeat of
:49:22. > :49:25.something like 20 points to their rivals in the Euro five star
:49:26. > :49:30.movement. The movement went into something rather like the Nile
:49:31. > :49:39.through the night as its world collapsed around it. The leader had
:49:40. > :49:45.promised his supporters victory, but he broke cover later this morning to
:49:46. > :49:49.thank those 5 million or more people who did vote for his party, and he
:49:50. > :49:54.urged them to take a look at a rigid Kipling poem, which said, if you
:49:55. > :50:01.can't beat triumph and disaster and treat those both the same, not much
:50:02. > :50:06.more he could give in terms of advice. The Prime Minister emerges
:50:07. > :50:15.from this that very much strengthened and has a purl
:50:16. > :50:17.fulminate now to push through `` very much strengthened. He is
:50:18. > :50:27.talking about pulling Italy out of what he calls a quiet buyer. Back to
:50:28. > :50:34.you in London. Thank you.
:50:35. > :50:37.Let's talk more now on what impact the election results
:50:38. > :50:41.With me are Robert Oxley from Business for Britain and Lucy Thomas
:50:42. > :50:53.What we have seen here is a huge message about change. The voters who
:50:54. > :50:58.have voted over the weekend have chosen parties which are offering a
:50:59. > :51:03.referendum. The party which offered no change, they have been decimated
:51:04. > :51:11.alike twirly, so something is going to change. I've think that is partly
:51:12. > :51:16.right. `` decimated entirely. I've think that is partly right. If you
:51:17. > :51:26.look at recent polling, a majority of people are going to remain ``
:51:27. > :51:29.wants to remain in the EU. You want a better deal for Britain. Very
:51:30. > :51:35.clearly and simply, what is that deal, what do you want that there is
:51:36. > :51:40.not now? A better deal involves less regulation from the EU, a more
:51:41. > :51:43.competitive EU, and a Britain where British business, often you have to
:51:44. > :51:47.comply with all of the regulations of the single market but don't ever
:51:48. > :51:54.use it, so there is scope for change, and there could be in and to
:51:55. > :51:57.the union side of things. With the euros in crisis and an increased
:51:58. > :52:05.number of euros in countries working as a block, there needs to be...
:52:06. > :52:09.There needs to be a lock on that. In terms of the referendum, would it
:52:10. > :52:15.help or hinder to bring it forward to 2016? The timing is important. A
:52:16. > :52:21.referendum will be a component of renegotiation. If it is Ed Miliband
:52:22. > :52:26.or David Cameron, a referendum on have to be offered probably. If they
:52:27. > :52:29.go to the EU trying to get a change in our relationship, they will need
:52:30. > :52:35.a referendum in their back pocket to ensure they are taken seriously.
:52:36. > :52:38.Talking about directives from Brussels, apparently, the debates in
:52:39. > :52:47.Holland were dominated by vacuum cleaners after a directive that the
:52:48. > :52:50.power of section, it baffles many people. In urgent need for reform at
:52:51. > :52:58.the very least, isn't there? Absolutely. Businesses all across
:52:59. > :53:04.the country say that. Nobody thinks that the EU works perfectly. There
:53:05. > :53:08.has been over regulation, and something has to change. There has
:53:09. > :53:13.to be more listening to medium and small sized enterprises. You have to
:53:14. > :53:19.think about the impact on small businesses. The impact assessments
:53:20. > :53:22.have been done within the European Commission and that is not right, it
:53:23. > :53:26.needs to be independent, so there has to be much more thoughts about
:53:27. > :53:30.the impact of regulations, and when national governments disagree with
:53:31. > :53:36.things, they have to listen to, at the moment, the European Commission
:53:37. > :53:42.doesn't listen to them. How much do you think this is a reflection of
:53:43. > :53:47.basic economics? The first test after the global crash, the crisis
:53:48. > :53:52.within the eurozone, is there a chance that, actually, as there is
:53:53. > :53:57.sustained economic growth in the eurozone and people feel better off,
:53:58. > :54:01.some of these issues recede? Yes, I think that is right. This has been a
:54:02. > :54:06.momentous time over the last Parliament with Greece, Spain and
:54:07. > :54:13.others. Adopt the people particularly like that `` I don't
:54:14. > :54:19.think people particularly like that. I've think it is wrong to give a
:54:20. > :54:23.blanket of inclusion about all of the results. The problem with groups
:54:24. > :54:29.like Lucy's is that they have been behind the curve of what the British
:54:30. > :54:33.ones. The British public are not the silent majority of businesses have
:54:34. > :54:37.wanted a change, so I think that is ready movement is going, and
:54:38. > :54:41.clearly, a referendum is going to be on the agenda, and you have big
:54:42. > :54:47.business, along with other enterprises... They can just park
:54:48. > :54:52.themselves somewhere else. They do want a change in the polling shows
:54:53. > :54:58.that more people across a broad range of businesses find that the
:54:59. > :55:02.regulations coming out of the single market are worse than benefits, so
:55:03. > :55:07.there is a change, and that is what the polling reflects. We have run
:55:08. > :55:11.out of time. Thank you very much. We will have plenty more analysis here
:55:12. > :55:15.in the next few moments. It is creeping up to the top of the hour,
:55:16. > :55:16.so we will pause for a moment or two to find out what the weather is
:55:17. > :55:33.doing. For the week ahead, there will be
:55:34. > :55:36.rain pushing in from the east. Across eastern areas it will feel
:55:37. > :55:42.cool towards the north and west of the UK. To start off with, you can
:55:43. > :55:46.see on the radar, this rain that has moved off the continent, heavy rain
:55:47. > :55:52.in the South East corners will continue to come into the Midlands.
:55:53. > :55:57.As we head into towards the afternoon, it will continue to frag
:55:58. > :56:06.meant, some heavy bursts, Sean Murray bursts, I should say,
:56:07. > :56:16.certainly the case `` Shari bursts, I should say. Boundary sometime
:56:17. > :56:22.between the showers. The rain fragmenting. The sharp thundery
:56:23. > :56:31.sometimes. A bit of sunshine across eastern areas. Some heavy showers
:56:32. > :56:37.for the afternoon. The showers continue onto the evening. Your
:56:38. > :56:41.attention towards the eastern parts of England in the South East, the
:56:42. > :56:45.rain will become heavy and persistent in the latter part of the
:56:46. > :56:49.night, but with the clouds in the breeze, nowhere will be particularly
:56:50. > :56:55.cold tonight. Temperatures will be up to around 11 or 12 in the south.
:56:56. > :56:59.From Monday night onwards, an area of low pressure across the near
:57:00. > :57:04.continent which is associated to rain which will be persistent and
:57:05. > :57:10.heavy in eastern counties of England. The course of Tuesday, lots
:57:11. > :57:13.of rain is expected to fall in eastern counties. Localised flooding
:57:14. > :57:18.in places. The breeze will be lighter and there will be some
:57:19. > :57:26.around. Slow`moving, thundery showers. Temperatures will be in the
:57:27. > :57:32.mid to upper teens. On Wednesday, we continue to see that wet weather
:57:33. > :57:38.affecting west and central England. The best of the conditions will be
:57:39. > :57:42.in the north of Scotland in the South West corner. We will see some
:57:43. > :57:46.sunshine maybe a few showers again. Again. It'll be really wet on
:57:47. > :58:34.Tuesday and Wednesday across central parts. More details in an hour.
:58:35. > :58:36.Westminster. For the first time since 1910, neither Labour nor the
:58:37. > :58:41.Conservatives have won a nap election.
:58:42. > :58:47.The UK Independence Party is the big winner the European elections
:58:48. > :58:52.topping the poll with almost 28% of the vote.
:58:53. > :58:56.My dream's become a reality. Despite the onslaught we faced over the last
:58:57. > :59:00.few weeks as if the world was against us, the British public have
:59:01. > :59:03.stood firm and we have won a national election. David Cameron
:59:04. > :59:07.insists the Conservatives can win the next general election despite
:59:08. > :59:12.being pushed into third place as they are narrowly beaten by Labour.
:59:13. > :59:16.I believe we can win the next election outright and we should put
:59:17. > :59:19.in front of people our message which is, let's complete the long`term
:59:20. > :59:23.economic plan that is turning this country around.
:59:24. > :59:26.I think the results go much deeper than what's happening in Europe.
:59:27. > :59:29.There are a lot about what's happening in Britain and that people
:59:30. > :59:34.think that Britain doesn't work for them and our economy doesn't work
:59:35. > :59:38.for them. That's where the night's biggest losers, failing to hold on
:59:39. > :59:41.to all but one of their seats. Neither the Labour Party nor the
:59:42. > :59:46.Tories had the backbone to stand up to UKIP. We did. We have taken the
:59:47. > :59:49.unpopular side of an argument and we are being pubth punished, but I'll
:59:50. > :59:53.tell you what, I would do it all over again. Across Europe,
:59:54. > :59:56.Euro`sceptic and antiestablishment parties make big gains. In France,
:59:57. > :00:01.the far right National Front storms to victory.
:00:02. > :00:06.We will bring you all the latest reaction and developments live as
:00:07. > :00:11.they happen throughout the day. The other headlines:
:00:12. > :00:13.Pope Francis visits the most important holy sites for Muslims and
:00:14. > :00:41.Jews in Jerusalem's old city. Good morning live from Westminster.
:00:42. > :00:47.As the political world takes stock of those European election results.
:00:48. > :00:50.A dream has become reality says Nigel Farage as UKIP storms the
:00:51. > :00:56.European elections with a dramatic upsurge in the anti`EU vote.
:00:57. > :01:01.UKIP leader hails the results which saw the party take nearly 28% of the
:01:02. > :01:05.vote as extraordinary. It's sending shock waves through the
:01:06. > :01:09.other parties. UKIP has ten more MEPs, that's 23 seats in the
:01:10. > :01:14.European Parliament so far, results from Northern Ireland and Scotland
:01:15. > :01:17.are still to come. UKIP gains come largely at the
:01:18. > :01:22.expense of the Liberal Democrats. They had a dismal showing and lose
:01:23. > :01:25.all but one of their seats. The Conservative lost seven seats in
:01:26. > :01:29.Brussels, Labour gained seven but might have expected to do a lot
:01:30. > :01:32.better, just a year away from a general election.
:01:33. > :01:35.The results changed the political landscape. In 2009, the
:01:36. > :01:41.Conservatives held the biggest share of the vote, now though, UKIP
:01:42. > :01:43.dominates, according to its Deputy Leader, support for UKIP has long
:01:44. > :01:54.been dismissed as protest. It looked good for UKIP last night,
:01:55. > :02:01.toasting the results with champagne in mugs and having beaten their
:02:02. > :02:05.bigger rivals nationwide it looked even better to their leader this
:02:06. > :02:11.morning. My dream has become a reality. Despite the onslaught we
:02:12. > :02:14.faced as if the world was against us, the British public have stood
:02:15. > :02:18.firm and we have won a national election. I'm over the moon. Compare
:02:19. > :02:23.that with the fate and faces of the Liberal Democrats who were all but
:02:24. > :02:28.wiped out, left with a single MEP. It went wrong because there's a very
:02:29. > :02:33.febrile anti`European atmosphere in this country at the moment. There's
:02:34. > :02:39.a general disaffection with politics and politicians. Labour beat the
:02:40. > :02:44.Conservatives but only just. Everyone's wondering how Nigel
:02:45. > :02:47.Farage's party did so well. Of course I congratulate him on winning
:02:48. > :02:50.these elections. I think though the questions that will be asked about
:02:51. > :02:54.UKIP in the year ahead, as we come up to the general election, is where
:02:55. > :02:58.they stand on some of the major issues that will be decided at a
:02:59. > :03:01.general election, you know, where they stand on tax, spending, the
:03:02. > :03:05.National Health Service, those questions will be asked of UKIP.
:03:06. > :03:10.For the Conservatives in third place, similar questions.
:03:11. > :03:13.I think the results show a clear message which is, people are
:03:14. > :03:16.disillusioned with the European Union, with the way that it's
:03:17. > :03:20.working for Britain, and they want change.
:03:21. > :03:25.The challenge is now for my party to demonstrate that we have the plan to
:03:26. > :03:30.deliver that change. There were scuffles as the BNP
:03:31. > :03:34.arrived at Manchester Town Hall, but Nick Griffin had already been beaten
:03:35. > :03:38.by the voters. The big picture though, a UKIP triumph. The question
:03:39. > :03:48.is whether we'll see more of this at the general election.
:03:49. > :03:51.Let's speak to Naomi Smith from the national Lib Dem forum. Thank you
:03:52. > :03:55.very much for joining us for the Liberal Democrats. Pretty
:03:56. > :04:00.disastrous? Snklts utterly depressing. We woke up yesterday
:04:01. > :04:04.with 12 MEPs, we went to bed with just one. Diabolical results
:04:05. > :04:09.following awful council election results on Thursday mean that it's a
:04:10. > :04:13.very dark Dame to be a Lib Dem. Do you understand why? I think that
:04:14. > :04:17.we failed to make the case sufficiently for Europe because I
:04:18. > :04:21.think although we have a very good message, that message isn't being
:04:22. > :04:25.heard `` dark day. Nick Clegg hasn't been getting a fair hearing because
:04:26. > :04:30.he's no longer trusted by the voters and so I think the party needs to
:04:31. > :04:33.have a very strong look at its direction, its strategic direction
:04:34. > :04:38.and of course questions of leadership surround that.
:04:39. > :04:44.Do you think he should go? I do, and I signed a letter at Lib Dems along
:04:45. > :04:49.with 300 other members and I think that the voters have given us a
:04:50. > :04:53.clear message that it's time for a fresh start, a new leader who can
:04:54. > :04:57.get a fairer hearing. Why do you think it's the messenger and not the
:04:58. > :05:01.message? You debated with Nigel Farage. Why is it not to case that
:05:02. > :05:02.the public simply listened to the message and didn't like what they
:05:03. > :05:08.heard? I think we need to look at the fact
:05:09. > :05:12.that there needs to be a debate that's rooted in fact and not
:05:13. > :05:18.fiction. Nick Clegg made himself very much the spokesperson near
:05:19. > :05:23.campaign. It was all about Nick and he debated Farage and I commend him
:05:24. > :05:35.for that, that was brave, but people weren't listening, his personal poll
:05:36. > :05:41.ratings are minus 55%. I'm no ssephologis, but I think they are
:05:42. > :05:49.the worst results since voting polls began. `` psephologist. The message
:05:50. > :05:52.needs to change but the leader's changed message won't make any
:05:53. > :05:56.difference. Those around the leader will say this is partly as a result
:05:57. > :06:01.of going into Government and all of the Liberal Democrats signed up, you
:06:02. > :06:04.had three separate votes, MP, the wider party, all your hands are
:06:05. > :06:09.dipped in the blood, why should it be Nick Clegg that's thrown over the
:06:10. > :06:12.side? Well, just because the captain has to go down with the ship, it
:06:13. > :06:16.doesn't necessarily follow that the ship needs to go down with the
:06:17. > :06:21.captain. We did all make a decision to go into coalition and that was
:06:22. > :06:25.the right decision at the time, it was the NAHTs of the day, it was
:06:26. > :06:29.what the voters provided the country with. We had to do that. Nick was
:06:30. > :06:34.brave in doing that and taking us into that coalition. He's been a
:06:35. > :06:39.good Deputy Prime Minister, but in an increasingly presidential
:06:40. > :06:45.politics that we have today, as the media giving Farage the Spotlight
:06:46. > :06:49.for so long shows, it has to be now that the person delivering the key
:06:50. > :06:52.message, leadership at the top of the organisation, it needs to have
:06:53. > :06:57.someone who the voters give a fair hearing to. So you are saying it's
:06:58. > :07:01.basically suicidal electorally to continue with Nick Clegg. In terms
:07:02. > :07:07.of making a difference, do you think a party led by say Vince Cable, TMi
:07:08. > :07:11.Farron, would have a different result with the electorate? What I'm
:07:12. > :07:18.saying is that leadership is about the ability to unify people behind a
:07:19. > :07:22.common cause. Nick hadn't been able to do that. You think other members
:07:23. > :07:24.could do better? Other members within the very talented
:07:25. > :07:28.Parliamentary party would stand a much better chance of get ago fair
:07:29. > :07:32.hearing from voters. In terms of what you would then like to see in
:07:33. > :07:36.terms of the mechanics of this, there were petitions, but that has
:07:37. > :07:41.been dismissed, there's few in numbers, what would you like to see
:07:42. > :07:51.certainly MPs in this place do given the scale of these defeats? The real
:07:52. > :07:55.question to ask themselveses is that they would either lose potentially
:07:56. > :08:02.under Clegg or stand a chance of winning under a leader. Be` Thank
:08:03. > :08:09.you very much for those thoughts. A very ` clear call in terms of
:08:10. > :08:13.another voice saying clearly that Nick Clegg should go if the Liberal
:08:14. > :08:16.Democrats are to move forward. Let's go to our chief Political
:08:17. > :08:19.Correspondent, Norman Smith, in Westminster. He's outside the
:08:20. > :08:26.Cabinet Office. Norman, you were giving us a flavour
:08:27. > :08:32.of last time we spoke of how things are moving on this issue.
:08:33. > :08:35.What is your assessment? Very interesting Matthew. I had a
:08:36. > :08:43.conversation with those around Mr Clegg and they are adamant there is
:08:44. > :08:49.no cord nation. `` coordination. The three
:08:50. > :08:51.Parliamentary candidate who is've gone public, they say they respect
:08:52. > :08:55.the figures but they are not significant figures in the party, in
:08:56. > :09:00.other words their argument is OK, they tl may be a few who're unhappy
:09:01. > :09:04.but they do not represent a serious move to unseat Mr Clegg. My sense is
:09:05. > :09:09.these people are putting the heads above the parapet not in a sort of
:09:10. > :09:14.higgledy`piggledy way, there is a carefully collaborated move to crank
:09:15. > :09:17.up the pressure on Nick Clegg. I expect over the course of the day
:09:18. > :09:22.we'll see further individuals putting their heads up saying he
:09:23. > :09:25.must go in an effort blunt Deloitte destabilise Nick Clegg `` bluntly to
:09:26. > :09:29.destabilise Nick Clegg. We don't know how much support these people
:09:30. > :09:32.have, how serious their organisation is, and whether they do represent a
:09:33. > :09:37.significant challenge to his position. What we can say at the
:09:38. > :09:41.moment is the really key players are still on Nick Clegg's side. We have
:09:42. > :09:45.heard from Paddy Ashdown, we have heard from Tim Farron and Sir
:09:46. > :09:48.Menzies Campbell and they have all absolutely said Nick Clegg stays,
:09:49. > :09:53.leading us into the next election and beyond. But this is a moving
:09:54. > :09:56.picture and it's clear many Liberal Democrats will now be weighing up
:09:57. > :10:01.the full implications of last night's vote and what that means for
:10:02. > :10:05.them and their party at the next general election and whether they
:10:06. > :10:11.can expect any more provement if any ok negligent remains as leader ``
:10:12. > :10:15.can expect any more improvement if Nick Clegg remains as leader.
:10:16. > :10:21.They could say Fell if you get rid of Nick Clegg, you plunge the party
:10:22. > :10:25.into months of chaos and disruption that will only compound the
:10:26. > :10:29.electoral grief. The other people say he's toxic, we cannot recover
:10:30. > :10:33.while he leads us. The Labour supporters who came to us
:10:34. > :10:37.will never stick with us so long as Nick Clegg remains leader because of
:10:38. > :10:43.tuition fees and the coalition and so on. So there is diametrically
:10:44. > :10:46.opposed views. What we'll learn today is how much strength the
:10:47. > :10:50.critics of Nick Clegg have and whether they can mount a serious
:10:51. > :10:56.challenge to his position. Norman, thanks once again.
:10:57. > :11:00.Let's get away from Westminster and tell you the European story in terms
:11:01. > :11:05.of those election results through the course of last night. Big
:11:06. > :11:11.antiestablishment votes across Europe. Let's head back to Brussels
:11:12. > :11:14.and to Phillipa Thomas. Thank you very much.
:11:15. > :11:19.It's been a night for the insurgents across Europe. UKIP was one of the
:11:20. > :11:23.spectacular standout political stories, another the Front National
:11:24. > :11:27.of Marine Le Pen in France, but it's not all about the right of the
:11:28. > :11:32.political spectrum, you can look to the left. In Greece where a party
:11:33. > :11:36.there did very well, got a lot of voters angry at the impact of
:11:37. > :11:41.austerity. They think they have had to pay too high a price for the
:11:42. > :11:46.fallout from the economic crisis of 2008. So it's all to play for here
:11:47. > :11:50.in the sense that we don't know whether these different parties can
:11:51. > :11:52.come together to wield any meaningful power here at the
:11:53. > :11:57.European Parliament. I'll talk about that in a moment, but first Ben
:11:58. > :12:05.Wright has a round`up of the Europe`wide results. Victory for Le
:12:06. > :12:10.Pen and a first for the Front National. One in four votes cast in
:12:11. > :12:15.France went to the anti`immigration, anti`euro far right party, a huge
:12:16. > :12:19.jump in support. The leader, Marine Le Pen, said the sovereign people
:12:20. > :12:24.had spoken loudly and wanted to be masters of their own destiny.
:12:25. > :12:28.It was a vote against the unpopular socialist president, but it was a
:12:29. > :12:32.vote against the effects of EU membership too, particularly
:12:33. > :12:36.immigration. The anti`EU Danish People's Party
:12:37. > :12:40.came first in Denmark too on a promise of taking powers back from
:12:41. > :12:43.Brussels. When MEPs next meet, more than ever
:12:44. > :12:47.will be fierce critics of the Parliament they have just been
:12:48. > :12:51.elected to. The mainstream centre right and centre`left parties will
:12:52. > :12:57.still have a majority here, but anti`Europe MEPs will be a noisy,
:12:58. > :13:02.disruptive block of dissent. And they don't just come from the
:13:03. > :13:07.right. In Greece, the radical left party topped the poll. The country's
:13:08. > :13:12.been hardest hit by austerity and it won by opposing the cuts. The far
:13:13. > :13:17.right golden dawn came third winning MEPs for the first time. In two of
:13:18. > :13:21.the EU's biggest member states, there's been a backlash against
:13:22. > :13:24.Europe and immigration and it's the Front National's victory in France
:13:25. > :13:31.and UKIP's win in Britain that defined this election.
:13:32. > :13:34.Just before we go on to France and the upheaval there, I want to give
:13:35. > :13:43.you a look at the bigger picture. The BBC has the latest results of
:13:44. > :13:49.the European Parliament elections. The biggest block that you can see
:13:50. > :14:04.is the centre`right group, the centre right group, close league ``
:14:05. > :14:09.closely... There could be a grand coalition, the central power brokers
:14:10. > :14:10.who are all very pro the European Union and
:14:11. > :14:13.who are all very pro the European Union and keeping that hold on
:14:14. > :14:19.power. What happens to the others is what we are really interested now as
:14:20. > :14:23.far as looking at the anti`establish `` anti`establishment parties around
:14:24. > :14:27.Europe. The Green Party has not had quite a strong voice. They have come
:14:28. > :14:30.up with some interesting ideas about up with some interesting ideas about
:14:31. > :14:37.how to make Europe and its institutions closer to the voters.
:14:38. > :14:46.Let's take you now to the site of the other big people `` upheaval,
:14:47. > :14:54.which is where the Front National one about a quarter of the votes in
:14:55. > :15:00.France. Some gloomy faces around the establishment this morning. We are
:15:01. > :15:06.standing on the field of Mars. You might recognise this thing behind
:15:07. > :15:10.me, the scene of a massacre, and some would say a massacre in the
:15:11. > :15:16.figures for this party am a the first time the National Front has
:15:17. > :15:24.topped a vote and it sums up how the French feel at the moment. They
:15:25. > :15:27.finished top in 70% of the departments across the country and
:15:28. > :15:34.have taken the bulk of the working class event and 30% of the of the
:15:35. > :15:39.people under 35. Let's take a closer look at these figures and how they
:15:40. > :15:47.work down. The Front National taking 25.41% of the vote, from 6% in 2009.
:15:48. > :15:52.They have three seats in the European truck road they had three
:15:53. > :15:54.seats in the European Parliament and now `` they had three seats in the
:15:55. > :16:02.European Parliament and now they will have many more. The UNP has
:16:03. > :16:08.lost between eight and ten seats. Just look at the Socialists, a
:16:09. > :16:17.lamentable performance after in each cool flapping in the elections two
:16:18. > :16:20.months ago. `` and equal slapping. A crisis meeting of the cabinet this
:16:21. > :16:26.morning the men and the headline coming out of that is that they are
:16:27. > :16:29.going to try to cut taxes for lower and middle income families, though
:16:30. > :16:33.how they are going to do that, goodness only knows, with 0% growth
:16:34. > :16:40.in the last three quarters. They are under pressure from Brussels. Lots
:16:41. > :16:48.of things to think about. Crises on the left and right. Immigration is
:16:49. > :16:52.being looked at, and what you are going to get in the Parliament
:16:53. > :16:58.building behind you is a block of French parliamentarians who want
:16:59. > :17:06.reform, not just the National Front but the UNP as well, and they will
:17:07. > :17:11.be wanting answers. The movement of migrants from poorer
:17:12. > :17:22.parts of the EU to wealthier parts has obvious event a `` has been a
:17:23. > :17:27.big issue. It is perceived by some as an abuse of the welfare state and
:17:28. > :17:34.has been at the forefront of many voters minds. A few minutes ago and
:17:35. > :17:39.spoke to a former Prime Minister of Bulgaria, who is a senior socialist
:17:40. > :17:50.here, and he told me that reality is different. I know that's UKIP and
:17:51. > :17:55.others in northern Europe are saying, look, these poor eastern
:17:56. > :18:01.Europeans are coming in and taking our social protection assistance for
:18:02. > :18:05.them, but it does not correspond with the reality. In the overall
:18:06. > :18:08.United Kingdom, there are only 1000 Bulgarian nationals who are using
:18:09. > :18:14.the social protection system, and this is ridiculous.
:18:15. > :18:20.If we are talking about reality, let's look at the big issue of
:18:21. > :18:25.what's big parties like UKIP might be able to change the way that the
:18:26. > :18:32.European union is run. With me is a lot `` someone with a lot more
:18:33. > :18:38.knowledge about it than me. What can be done here? They could change a
:18:39. > :18:41.lot. They are not so interested in changing the European Parliament or
:18:42. > :18:47.legislation. They are left, right and centre or they don't agree on
:18:48. > :18:52.many things. There is no`one policy agenda here? They just come and make
:18:53. > :18:59.speeches for the home audiences and then leave without participating in
:19:00. > :19:04.the daily work of improving things. Some would say they want to change
:19:05. > :19:12.national politics. Yes. They want to be on the political scene. How can
:19:13. > :19:19.you deal with the National Front? Can they be a reply `` reliable
:19:20. > :19:25.partner for Angela Merkel? The same question for David Cameron. What
:19:26. > :19:29.things can be agreed when he has to deal with insurgency at home? One of
:19:30. > :19:33.the things David Cameron has been talking about is repatriating some
:19:34. > :19:38.powers, giving back powers from Brussels, and I have heard better
:19:39. > :19:44.this morning that has slimmed down... You just smiled. Why is it
:19:45. > :19:49.not going to happen? There have been big commissions on slimming down.
:19:50. > :19:56.Usually they don't come up with a lot. 27 member countries agreed to
:19:57. > :20:01.give these powers to the EU for good reason. It was more efficient to do
:20:02. > :20:08.it at this level. We want to get 28 member countries to say, we made a
:20:09. > :20:19.big mistake. That is not going to happen. There is a phrase about
:20:20. > :20:23.Turkey 's voting for Christmas. I think we are in a situation like
:20:24. > :20:27.this right now. What if the alternative was a wholesale
:20:28. > :20:31.rejection of the European union of a political entity by voters? If it is
:20:32. > :20:34.the `` if it is perceived that nothing is being done to reform
:20:35. > :20:43.things, these parties could do even better next time around. I do not
:20:44. > :20:49.think so. Usually people are frustrated about not getting a job.
:20:50. > :20:53.By having a problem on the streets with beggars or perceived
:20:54. > :20:57.immigrants, and that is what has to be done at the national level,
:20:58. > :21:01.because contrary to the impression that has been created, the
:21:02. > :21:06.responsibility for dealing with all of these issues is mainly at the
:21:07. > :21:10.national level. There is a framework and then it is up to the national
:21:11. > :21:16.policymakers to make an efficient politic out of it.
:21:17. > :21:22.Thank you very much for joining us, especially since you just got off
:21:23. > :21:27.the plane from Shanghai. A lot is going to be happening over the next
:21:28. > :21:31.few hours. More news conferences, more claims of who should run the
:21:32. > :21:36.place, and the leaders of the EU Estates will be coming here to get
:21:37. > :21:44.together for their big dinner. They have two figure out how to explain
:21:45. > :21:44.to voters back home, many whom are very angry.
:21:45. > :21:49.To discuss. Joining me is Professor Sara Hobolt,
:21:50. > :22:02.from the European Institute, This is really something that has
:22:03. > :22:07.happened across Europe. As you have seen in your report, in France, of
:22:08. > :22:10.course, it has been a shock election would the Front National, but in
:22:11. > :22:17.other places we have seen the far left doing while, in particular in
:22:18. > :22:22.Greece but we have seen it been doing well in Ireland and other
:22:23. > :22:27.places. In terms of going forward, how do
:22:28. > :22:35.you see them reacting to these results? There is the effect on the
:22:36. > :22:41.European Parliament, where there is still a quite strong pro`European
:22:42. > :22:46.consensus, with the centre`right groupings topping the poll, but the
:22:47. > :22:49.other aspect that might be more significant is the effect on how to
:22:50. > :22:52.national governments respond to this, because of national
:22:53. > :22:59.governments in Greece, France and Denmark, where Eurosceptic parties
:23:00. > :23:03.have topped, they will have to income up what they have to do
:23:04. > :23:07.differently for voters to shut up they will have to think about what
:23:08. > :23:11.they have to do differently for voters `` they will have to think
:23:12. > :23:17.about what they have to do differently for voters. On the far
:23:18. > :23:22.right, when we look at the National Front and other parties,
:23:23. > :23:28.anti`immigration has played a big role and perhaps a bigger role than
:23:29. > :23:32.the EU and Brussels. On the far left, in Spain and Greece and so on,
:23:33. > :23:34.it is much more in and yesterday vote.
:23:35. > :23:37.left, in Spain and Greece and so on, it is much more in and On
:23:38. > :23:44.immigration, what can be done to strike `` and vote. On immigration,
:23:45. > :23:50.what more can be done? It is interesting that in France, it is
:23:51. > :24:07.not entirely surprising that fronts national to 12. `` the Front
:24:08. > :24:12.National did well. One of... There is anticipation, saying what we can
:24:13. > :24:17.do, talking about how we can make it more difficult for people to move
:24:18. > :24:20.between countries in the EU. For David Cameron, he laid it out again
:24:21. > :24:26.this morning to renegotiate the terms, the way the EU works. Does
:24:27. > :24:32.this set of results make it more difficult, easier for him to do
:24:33. > :24:37.that? We should keep in mind that we are having this decision about
:24:38. > :24:43.renegotiations but it will be taken permanently in the Parliament. It
:24:44. > :24:49.will be `` the people that need to be persuaded is Angela Merkel and so
:24:50. > :24:54.on. The Prime Minister will will listen to the voters, and they might
:24:55. > :24:58.think, this is a message that we should be thinking about things on
:24:59. > :25:02.immigration, and what David Cameron called welfare tourism, that you can
:25:03. > :25:06.have access to benefits in other countries, so it might make it
:25:07. > :25:11.easier in that sense, because other parties in other member states have
:25:12. > :25:16.sent similar messages. Thank you very much for those
:25:17. > :25:21.thoughts. As we have seen, there have been significant gains for the
:25:22. > :25:25.UK Independence Party. We still expect those results from Northern
:25:26. > :25:29.Ireland and also Scotland's to come. We are expecting the Scottish
:25:30. > :25:35.results around lunch time. Let's analyse a little bit more about the
:25:36. > :25:40.European picture. A huge election across 28 countries,
:25:41. > :25:46.but let's look at the dramatic event in the UK. This is the map last
:25:47. > :25:54.time, in 2009. Later pinned back just to the north east here. The SNP
:25:55. > :26:01.in yellow, and the rest of England's `` Britain and live. 12 regions. ``
:26:02. > :26:08.the rest of Europe in blue. 12 regions. How dramatic a change is
:26:09. > :26:12.this? UKIP purple all over England. The northwest, the Northeast,
:26:13. > :26:18.Scottish Nationalists, yellow in Scotland, and Labour doing very well
:26:19. > :26:21.in London. But the UKIP Evans is really quite extraordinary. If by
:26:22. > :26:25.show areas where parties came first show areas where parties came first
:26:26. > :26:29.by local council, you will see there is a lot of Conservative blue hair,
:26:30. > :26:34.but when it flashes cases where the party was first, this time was not
:26:35. > :26:39.first this time, just have a look, so much flashing purple, places
:26:40. > :26:44.where UKIP has advanced to first place, a truly brilliant night for
:26:45. > :26:51.the party. Let's have a look at the camp of MEP and see how many each
:26:52. > :26:55.party is left with. 24 members of the European Parliament. Second
:26:56. > :27:00.place, Labour with 20, the Conservatives are down to 19 from
:27:01. > :27:05.26, the greens `` the Green Party are and three, a good night for
:27:06. > :27:09.them, and make the evening for the Liberal Democrats, who are down to
:27:10. > :27:12.just one, and then the others, the Nationalists among them. In terms of
:27:13. > :27:20.the share of the bed, these are the figures. You see that UKIP is and
:27:21. > :27:25.28%. Second place, the London effect lifting Labour above the
:27:26. > :27:32.Conservatives. The Conservatives in third and 24. The Green Party, 8%.
:27:33. > :27:41.The Lib Dems, have 27%, and the others, 8%. Laboured may not have
:27:42. > :27:46.done as well as they wanted to in the Conservatives `` laboured might
:27:47. > :27:52.not have done as well as they wanted to and the Conservatives were pushed
:27:53. > :27:56.back. We were with Norman Smith earlier. Plenty to chew over. We
:27:57. > :27:59.will be back in just a minute with more analysis. We will pause for a
:28:00. > :28:46.moment to find out what the weather is doing. Heavy rain will push
:28:47. > :28:50.towards the east and on the other hand will be a feature Tuesday and
:28:51. > :28:54.Wednesday. Cool and cold winds blowing down the East Coast there.
:28:55. > :28:58.Persistent heavy rain in central and eastern areas. Rainfall amounts
:28:59. > :29:17.mounting up. Sunshine and showers and some on the heavy side.
:29:18. > :29:25.I'm live at Westminster. A victory for UKIP at the European elections
:29:26. > :29:30.with most of the UK's 73 seats declared, the party's won 23. Nigel
:29:31. > :29:33.Farage says the people have spoken. My dream has become a reality and
:29:34. > :29:37.despite the onslaught we faced over the last few weeks as if the world
:29:38. > :29:42.was against us, the British public were stood firm, they backed UKIP
:29:43. > :29:44.and we've won a national election. David Cameron insayses the
:29:45. > :29:47.Conservatives can twin next general election, despite being pushed into
:29:48. > :29:51.third place as they were narrowly third place as they were narrowly
:29:52. > :29:56.beaten by Labour The challenge is now for my party to
:29:57. > :29:59.demonstrate that we have the plan to deliver that change, to renegotiate
:30:00. > :30:03.Britain's place in Europe to get a better deal for Britain, to change
:30:04. > :30:09.Europe and then to put the choice to the British people in an in`out
:30:10. > :30:13.referendum before the end of 2017. I think what last night also
:30:14. > :30:17.reflects, including among those who voted for UKIP, is a desire for
:30:18. > :30:20.Europe to work better for Britain and also a deep sense of discontent
:30:21. > :30:26.with the way this country's run and the way our economy works.
:30:27. > :30:32.The Liberal Democrats are all but wiped out in the European
:30:33. > :30:38.Parliament, retaining only one MEP. Neither the Labour Party nor the
:30:39. > :30:42.Tories have stood up to UKIP. Unpopular side of an argument and we
:30:43. > :30:46.have been punished, but I would do it again.
:30:47. > :30:50.The far right Euro`sceptic parties performed well. The National Front
:30:51. > :30:54.in France says that lean Le Pen tops the poll there.
:30:55. > :30:58.The other headline this is hour on BBC News: Pope Francis visits some
:30:59. > :31:04.of the holiest sites in Jerusalem on the third and final day of his
:31:05. > :31:08.Middle East tour. Billionaire confectionary magnate
:31:09. > :31:09.Petro Poroshenko claims victory in the Ukraine presidential elections,
:31:10. > :31:24.Russia says it's ready for dialogue. Time for sport now.
:31:25. > :31:28.Here a full round`up. Thank you very much. Rory McIlroy's
:31:29. > :31:31.moved from tenth to sixth in the world rankings of golf after winning
:31:32. > :31:35.his first title of the year yesterday. The Northern Irishman
:31:36. > :31:38.came from seven shots down to win the flagship event on the European
:31:39. > :31:44.Tour. The PGA Championship at Wentworth. He finished 14`under, one
:31:45. > :31:48.shot ahead of Ireland's Shane Lowry. The win came five days after he
:31:49. > :31:51.announced his split from the tennis player, Caroline Wozniaki.
:31:52. > :31:56.It's been a bit of a roller coaster, to be honest.
:31:57. > :32:01.Look, I find on the golf course it was nice, it was like a release for
:32:02. > :32:07.me and I could go about my business and play the way that I wanted to. I
:32:08. > :32:12.played solid and everything came together for me today. I upped and
:32:13. > :32:16.downed it when I needed to, did the putts at the right time and it
:32:17. > :32:22.seemed like everything fell my way and I'm delighted to be standing
:32:23. > :32:29.here as a champion. Adam Scott beat Jason duff ner to
:32:30. > :32:35.take the clonial tournament in Texas `` Duffne re. A finish outside the
:32:36. > :32:39.top 13 would have meant him relinquishing after one week. Colin
:32:40. > :32:42.Montgomerie finished four shots clear to win the senior PGA
:32:43. > :32:48.Championship, the first time in his career he'd won an official event in
:32:49. > :32:52.America. Nico Rosberg has overtaken Lewis
:32:53. > :32:55.Hamilton at the top of the Formula One drivers Championship after
:32:56. > :32:59.winning the Monaco Grand Prix. Rosberg led Hamilton for the whole
:33:00. > :33:03.race. He claimed the checkered flag for the second year in a row in the
:33:04. > :33:08.principality while Lewis Hamilton held off Daniel Ricardo to finish
:33:09. > :33:13.second. The cricketers we are soundly beaten in the one`day
:33:14. > :33:20.international against Sri Lanka yesterday. They lost by 157 runs as
:33:21. > :33:25.Sri Lanka levelled the series 1`1. England's winter of discontent left
:33:26. > :33:28.them with little to be chirpy about. Yet this summer's marked a new start
:33:29. > :33:33.with some new faces, but there was too much of the old England in the
:33:34. > :33:39.field, allowing Sri Lanka to get into their stride quickly. Dilshan's
:33:40. > :33:44.Dexterry also did some damage, he etop scored with 88. The tourists
:33:45. > :33:47.were helped most by more mishaps. Catch after catch dropped by
:33:48. > :33:51.England. A target of 257 should have been
:33:52. > :33:55.much lower. That figure appeared nigh on
:33:56. > :34:00.impossible after seven overs. England had already lost four
:34:01. > :34:03.wickets and 29 for 4 soon became 73 for 8, as England completely
:34:04. > :34:08.collapsed. More than a few things note for new
:34:09. > :34:12.head coach Peter Moors and the onlooking but injured Captain Cook.
:34:13. > :34:16.Only stand in skipper Owen Morgan put up a fight, getting to #40rks
:34:17. > :34:21.but coined for little in the end, England all out for 99 `` 40, but it
:34:22. > :34:27.counted for little in the end. This may be a new start but it's not a
:34:28. > :34:32.very good one. Day two of the French Open tennis.
:34:33. > :34:36.Roland Garros had a rain`delayed start.
:34:37. > :34:40.Britain's James Ward is set to play today. It's the first time he has
:34:41. > :34:44.made it into the main draw after becoming the first Brit to come
:34:45. > :34:49.through qualifying since 1973. He faces a tough first round draw
:34:50. > :34:56.against Robredo, the 17th seed. Djokovic and Nadal are also set to
:34:57. > :35:00.play today, weather`permitting. Sharapova currently on court at
:35:01. > :35:08.Roland Garros as well. More from me in the next hour.
:35:09. > :35:12.The impact of UKIP's achievement is sinking in. Nigel Farage says his
:35:13. > :35:16.dreams have come true. UKIP has ten more seats in the
:35:17. > :35:19.European Parliament, 23 so far, and it's fairly certain that in the next
:35:20. > :35:24.hour, we'll hear of another UKIP gain this time in Scotland.
:35:25. > :35:29.The Lib Dems have slumped, losing all but one MEP, the Conservatives
:35:30. > :35:33.have lost seven seats, Labour have gained seven but might have expected
:35:34. > :35:37.to do a good deal better. UKIP is saying these historic
:35:38. > :35:43.results mean it's no longer simply a protest vote.
:35:44. > :35:48.Well, in Wales, Labour narrowly came top in the polls but only by 0.6%
:35:49. > :35:53.ahead of UKIP. Let's go live to Cardiff and our correspondent Daniel
:35:54. > :35:57.Davies. Give us more details about how the Welsh voted? No change in
:35:58. > :36:01.who will represent Wales in the European Parliament in Strasbourg
:36:02. > :36:06.and Brussels. There are four seats in Wales. They go to Labour. The
:36:07. > :36:10.Conservatives, Plaid Cymru and UKIP. That's the situation that we've had
:36:11. > :36:15.since 2009 going into this European election last week. But what has
:36:16. > :36:19.changed and what's changed dramatically, is the number of votes
:36:20. > :36:23.and the share of the votes cast for the four parties.
:36:24. > :36:27.Labour has topped the poll. But it's fallen some way short of what it
:36:28. > :36:32.really wanted from this election in Wales which was two Welsh seats. In
:36:33. > :36:38.fact, Labour has only just squeaked into first place ahead of UKIP. UKIP
:36:39. > :36:44.about 0.6% of the vote behind Labour. It's fair to say that in
:36:45. > :36:48.2009 at the last European elections, UKIP surprised even themselves by
:36:49. > :36:51.winning a seat in Wales. That's certainly not the situation now. If
:36:52. > :36:54.they hadn't announced themselves on the political scene already, they
:36:55. > :37:01.certainly have with this election result. Just some 4,500 votes behind
:37:02. > :37:06.Labour in top spot. Throughout the campaign, Labour have been saying
:37:07. > :37:11.they haven't been picking up a surge in support on the doorstep. If that
:37:12. > :37:15.was the case, one wonders where they were knocking. UKIP have been saying
:37:16. > :37:21.they were in with realistic shout of winning the election and of topping
:37:22. > :37:23.the poll in Wales and the results in this morning show how close they
:37:24. > :37:26.came to doing that. The Conservatives, they couldn't
:37:27. > :37:30.recreate the heights of 2009 when they topped the poll in Wales, but
:37:31. > :37:33.they have kept their seat and the same with Plaid Cymru, the fourth
:37:34. > :37:36.party in this election. They have kept their seat. They'll be very
:37:37. > :37:40.pleased with that because there were some opinion polls out there
:37:41. > :37:44.suggesting that Plaid Cymru was in danger of losing its seat in the
:37:45. > :37:50.European Parliament to Labour. Thank you very much.
:37:51. > :37:56.It wasn't just in the UK and France where Euro`sceptic parties have
:37:57. > :38:03.seized ground in these euro elections. Let's find out what
:38:04. > :38:08.happened in Greece now with our correspondent, Susannah Mendonca who
:38:09. > :38:12.is in Athens. We are not going to go there at this
:38:13. > :38:15.very moment. I think we are going to go closer to home and find out the
:38:16. > :38:19.situation in Scotland, specifically Edinburgh.
:38:20. > :38:28.James Shaw is there. Bring us up`to`date on events there, James?
:38:29. > :38:32.We don't have an official result yet, one council area needs to bring
:38:33. > :38:36.its vote in. It's not really going to change the overall picture here
:38:37. > :38:42.though. What we have is a situation where the SNP got 29% of the vote,
:38:43. > :38:46.Labour 26, the Conservatives 17, UKIP 10. 5 and trailing behind them,
:38:47. > :38:49.the Greens who will consider that a good result for them, and then in
:38:50. > :38:54.sixth place, the Liberal Democrats, on 7%. A bit of a disaster for them.
:38:55. > :38:59.The headline really once you set aside the fact that the SNP topped
:39:00. > :39:03.the poll is that UKIP, it looks as though they are going to gain their
:39:04. > :39:07.first elected representative in Scotland. David Coburn is the
:39:08. > :39:11.leading candidate and it looks as though he'll be the sixth MEP
:39:12. > :39:15.representing Scotland in the European Parliament Not an
:39:16. > :39:19.earthquake as it has been in other parts of the UK, but certainly a
:39:20. > :39:28.tremor. A lot of people wouldn't have expected this. Least not the
:39:29. > :39:35.governing party. Clearly, there is a sizeable number
:39:36. > :39:39.of people on whom the UKIP message resonates. There is that core,
:39:40. > :39:43.perhaps a small core of a right`wing vote in Scotland that many people
:39:44. > :39:50.might not have expected to see. Thank you.
:39:51. > :40:00.Let's continue our European election coverage and go back to Matthew now.
:40:01. > :40:03.Thanks very much. Let's bounce around European
:40:04. > :40:09.capitals and take stock of those results in terms of the perspective
:40:10. > :40:15.from there. It wasn't just the UK and France Euro`sceptic parties,
:40:16. > :40:16.let's head to Greece and our correspondent there is Susannah
:40:17. > :40:30.Mendonca. Greek people have been feeling the
:40:31. > :40:38.pain of austerity here perhaps more than most. So we have the left`wing
:40:39. > :40:43.party. It's come top of the polls in the European parties. It used to
:40:44. > :40:45.have one MEP, now it has six. This whole message has been about
:40:46. > :40:50.fighting austerity and since the result, its leader's said this
:40:51. > :40:55.proves that the people of Greece want a change and want to push for
:40:56. > :40:57.early elections. They are going to be meeting the President of Greece
:40:58. > :41:00.this lunch time to discuss the possibility of that. It's the
:41:01. > :41:05.President who decides that, not clear whether he'll get what he's
:41:06. > :41:09.after. The Prime Minister of New Democracy which came second clearly
:41:10. > :41:15.does not want there to be elections in Greece and we have been hearing
:41:16. > :41:19.that he is likely to have a reshuffle some time this week in
:41:20. > :41:25.response to these results. On the other side of political section, you
:41:26. > :41:29.have got golden dawn, this has been a neo`Nazi result, something they
:41:30. > :41:32.deny, but the leader and the number of politicians are currently in jail
:41:33. > :41:36.and are waiting trial accused of being members of a criminal
:41:37. > :41:38.organisation. Now, the political establishment here had hoped that
:41:39. > :41:42.that would mean that people might not vote for them, but hasn't been
:41:43. > :41:49.the case, they have voted for them, they have got three MEPs in the
:41:50. > :41:54.European Parliament and they seem to be so right`wing that even Marine Le
:41:55. > :41:58.Pen has said she wouldn't want to work with them. You have both sides
:41:59. > :42:01.of the political spectrum getting votes from people who have been
:42:02. > :42:04.feeling the pain of austerity and they have been expressing that
:42:05. > :42:10.through their polls. Now we'll cross to Poland to my
:42:11. > :42:17.colleague to see what is going on there.
:42:18. > :42:24.Poland is questioning itself, how an anti`European figure such as Yanoush
:42:25. > :42:29.can get enough votes to send four MEPs to Parliament. He's hugely
:42:30. > :42:32.controversial in this country. He's a self`proclaimed Monarchist. He
:42:33. > :42:37.thinks that democracy is stupid, he's again to as far as to say that
:42:38. > :42:41.women are less intelligent than men so shouldn't be allowed to vote.
:42:42. > :42:46.There is really no outright winner in this country. The centre right
:42:47. > :42:52.governing party is tied practically neck and next with the Conservatives
:42:53. > :42:57.opposition party. It's barely a percentage point between them. They
:42:58. > :43:02.are sending 19 MEPs to Brussels. Now, arguably the leader of the
:43:03. > :43:06.opposition party of the Law And Justice Party is saying they've won
:43:07. > :43:10.because they gained MEPs sothey'll be sending the 19 MEPs to boost the
:43:11. > :43:14.figures of the European Conservatives and reformists.
:43:15. > :43:18.However, Donald Torse, the Prime Minister and leader of the civic
:43:19. > :43:23.platform, although they have lost MEPs, they are going together with
:43:24. > :43:28.another centre right party and will be together sending 23 MEPs to
:43:29. > :43:32.support the European People's Party, so arguably they're saying they have
:43:33. > :43:37.won. However, there is no real winner and with a turnout once again
:43:38. > :43:40.low, 23% bothering to turn out, of course, the $iously sunny here, but
:43:41. > :43:44.no`one really is the winner here. Let's find out what the situation is
:43:45. > :44:03.like in Italy. My colleague Alan Johnston is in Rome.
:44:04. > :44:09.Here in Rome, the Prime Minister and his pro`European party bucked the
:44:10. > :44:17.trend in a grand style. It went far bigger than any holster had dared to
:44:18. > :44:22.predict. They handed a defeat of 21 points to their rivals in the
:44:23. > :44:29.Eurosceptic 5`star movement. The movement went into denial through
:44:30. > :44:35.the night as its world collapsed around it. The leader of the moment
:44:36. > :44:40.`` movement had promised his supporters victory, but he broke
:44:41. > :44:44.those 5 million or more people who those 5 million or more people who
:44:45. > :44:51.did vote for his party, and urged them to take a look at a famous
:44:52. > :44:54.poem, with its famous lines on if you can meet triumph and disaster
:44:55. > :45:00.and treat those two imposters but the same, not much more he could
:45:01. > :45:06.the Prime Minister and merges from the Prime Minister and merges from
:45:07. > :45:12.this vote very much strengthened. `` advice. He can now push through his
:45:13. > :45:18.talks of being determined to pull talks of being determined to pull
:45:19. > :45:20.Italy out of what he calls its quagmire. From Rome, back to you in
:45:21. > :45:34.London. With me is Joe Twyman, Head of
:45:35. > :45:48.Political Research at the polling The long`term trend has been going
:45:49. > :45:53.up. Anyone 18 months ago would have been happy with this if they were in
:45:54. > :46:00.UKIP supporter. Is this the biggest breakthrough we have seen since the
:46:01. > :46:07.STP? The STP got over 50% in the opinion poll when they are at the
:46:08. > :46:11.height of their fame. UKIP are now managing 15%, but the influence of
:46:12. > :46:15.that UKIP can have over the Conservatives and also the Labour
:46:16. > :46:21.Party over the next 12 months could be enormous. I am going to cut you
:46:22. > :46:25.off and come back to you in a moment or two, but I am told that we have
:46:26. > :46:30.breaking developments, so let's go to our political correspondent. Tell
:46:31. > :46:35.us more. An indication as to just how bitter the Lib Dem arguments
:46:36. > :46:41.might be. One of the Lib Dem MPs have said to me that there should be
:46:42. > :46:44.a sharp review of the strategy and the leadership, the sort of thing he
:46:45. > :46:49.wasn't saying over the weekend, but he has hit out directly at Patty
:46:50. > :46:54.Ashdown. He has been one of the main defenders of Nick Clegg saying, we
:46:55. > :47:02.must stick with Nick Clack. It is being said that it is treacherous to
:47:03. > :47:09.metaphorically remove bits of cryptic's anatomies `` critics
:47:10. > :47:14.anatomies. That sounds like silly wording. Ashdown was quoted this
:47:15. > :47:18.morning as saying that he threatened to work Oakeshott, and he was
:47:19. > :47:22.obviously joking, but if he caused trouble right now, he would remove
:47:23. > :47:28.his hat or another bit of anatomy that I've might choose not to quote
:47:29. > :47:31.live on the television. He is saying that to argue that is to have a
:47:32. > :47:38.bunker psychology and not to have the swords of conversation that the
:47:39. > :47:46.`` the sorts of conversation that the Lib Dems need to have. Thank you
:47:47. > :47:52.very much. We had to get more on this at around 12:30 p.m.. Some
:47:53. > :47:56.pretty sharp criticism there. Let me bring Joe back in. Sorry to cut you
:47:57. > :48:01.off there. The Liberal Democrat story as moving through the course
:48:02. > :48:05.of the morning as they take stock of these catastrophic results. We were
:48:06. > :48:11.chatting a short while ago. Tommy Elizabeth Smart about how you see it
:48:12. > :48:22.going for the Liberal Democrats. `` towel me a little bit `` tell me a
:48:23. > :48:25.little bit. The local and European elections have been dreadful for
:48:26. > :48:31.them, so they need to think about what they are going to do over the
:48:32. > :48:35.next few months. The key strategy has to be, when do they split up
:48:36. > :48:42.this marriage of convenience with the coalition government? They need
:48:43. > :48:46.to divide and make a big break from the Tories and go their own way. And
:48:47. > :48:51.how soon, in your view, strategically, would they need to do
:48:52. > :48:56.that? If they do it too soon, they could be seen to have that it's
:48:57. > :49:00.because they did so badly, but Iraq in six months out, maybe after the
:49:01. > :49:10.summer `` but Iraq in six months out, maybe over the summer. Labour,
:49:11. > :49:14.how do you see influence playing there in terms of policy? Both
:49:15. > :49:22.Labour and Conservatives have lost voters to UKIP and have been very ``
:49:23. > :49:26.who have been very good at taking and dissatisfied people. They need
:49:27. > :49:33.to think about the core values they can use to appeal to these voters
:49:34. > :49:39.while at the same time realizing that UKIP could let Labour in. How
:49:40. > :49:45.fluid do you think the electorate is? Voters have moved in these two
:49:46. > :49:50.sets of elections. The help from both Labour and Conservative is that
:49:51. > :49:55.they moved back, but how much evidence is there for that sort of
:49:56. > :49:58.movement? We are not really sure. When we ask people in our surveys
:49:59. > :50:02.you are amazing UKIP how likely it is that they will vote for them in
:50:03. > :50:09.the general election, between half and two thirds say that they will,
:50:10. > :50:14.but as we stand now, they may very well change their mind as the issues
:50:15. > :50:20.moved more towards the economy, where UKIP really are not that
:50:21. > :50:25.strong to Mesto we are not sure of their staying power. It always drops
:50:26. > :50:30.off after the Europeans. We really are in an unpredictable world. Thank
:50:31. > :50:34.you for your thoughts. I will have more in the next few minutes. Let's
:50:35. > :50:39.head back to Julie in the studio. Thank you.
:50:40. > :50:42.Pope Francis has visited Israel's Holocaust Memorial on the third and
:50:43. > :50:48.He laid a wreath in the Hall of Remembrance and listened to
:50:49. > :50:52.Three previous pontiffs who have visited Jerusalem over the past 50
:50:53. > :51:06.Our Middle East editor spoke to a Holocaust survivor to hear his
:51:07. > :51:09.thoughts on the visit by the Pope. My father was already in a
:51:10. > :51:18.concentration camp, and my mother had followed `` my mother had false
:51:19. > :51:22.identification part versus `` papers. My father survived was
:51:23. > :51:29.liberated in Germany. My mother survived and came back and got me.
:51:30. > :51:32.The Pope is here today. Over the years, the Catholic Church Jewish
:51:33. > :51:38.religion have always had good relations. There is a controversy
:51:39. > :51:42.about the Pope who was there during the war and whether he could have
:51:43. > :51:47.done more or whether he actually collaborated in some way with the
:51:48. > :51:52.Holocaust. What is your view of the Holocaust. What is your view of the
:51:53. > :51:54.presence of the Pope in and of the relations between Jews and
:51:55. > :52:02.Catholics? Let me preface that by saying that my wife is Catholic. A
:52:03. > :52:10.practicing Catholic. I still have that feeling of the relationship...
:52:11. > :52:18.I was brought up as a Catholic. The title of one of the stories from the
:52:19. > :52:23.paper in Toronto was, brought up Catholic so he could survive as a
:52:24. > :52:28.Jew. I have mixed feelings. The archives are there. In the Vatican?
:52:29. > :52:32.In the Vatican. We could know more about what happened, but do we need
:52:33. > :52:39.to know at this point in time if he was a collaborator or a bystander?
:52:40. > :52:40.What is that... It might fracture the relationship with the church, so
:52:41. > :52:46.I've would hope that if they do I've would hope that if they do
:52:47. > :52:55.release it, they would show that he was not, and I've followed this a
:52:56. > :52:59.people he saved Jews during the war. people he saved Jews during the war.
:53:00. > :53:02.They were part of the access but I They were part of the access but I
:53:03. > :53:09.do not think their hearts were in it. Thank you very much. Here, of
:53:10. > :53:14.course, it is a vital day were anybody, any of the leaders to come
:53:15. > :53:18.to visit Israel, to come to this place where there is the most
:53:19. > :53:24.remarkable commemorations that happened of that awful tragedy
:53:25. > :53:29.during the Second World War. We can show you some pictures from
:53:30. > :53:34.the Pope's visit to Jerusalem now, and here you can see him in
:53:35. > :53:41.conversation with the Israeli Prime Minister, who has commanded the Pope
:53:42. > :53:44.for the various sites that he has visited in Jerusalem, specifically
:53:45. > :53:52.saying that he appreciated the decision to lay a wreath on the
:53:53. > :53:55.founder of modern Zionism. There you founder of modern Zionism. There you
:53:56. > :53:59.see the pictures, live from Jerusalem. There is a conversation
:54:00. > :54:07.going on between the Prime Minister and the Pope.
:54:08. > :54:09.Russia's Foreign Secretary has reiterated President Putin's stance
:54:10. > :54:11.that Russia will respect the will of the Ukrainian people.
:54:12. > :54:14.Early results suggest that the billionaire confectionary magnate
:54:15. > :54:17.Petro Poroshenko has won an outright first`round victory in the Ukrainian
:54:18. > :54:29.presidential elections with almost 55% of the vote.
:54:30. > :54:31.The American pharmaceutical company, Pfizer is expected to make
:54:32. > :54:34.a statement today, admitting defeat in its attempt to
:54:35. > :54:37.The company's latest offer was rejected by Astra Zeneca's board,
:54:38. > :54:40.and Pfizer has until five o'clock this afternoon to
:54:41. > :54:43.However, current rules say the company can
:54:44. > :55:14.For the week had a looks like it was a pretty wet at times, particularly
:55:15. > :55:19.in central parts of England, breezy as well stop you will have to have a
:55:20. > :55:25.bit further north west to find more of the war. `` as well. It will
:55:26. > :55:29.starts to fragment as it moves into the Midlands. Some heavy bursts
:55:30. > :55:33.still mixed in there. As we head towards the afternoon, it looks like
:55:34. > :55:38.or Scotland and Northern Ireland there will be quite a few thundery
:55:39. > :55:44.showers developing. The focus will be on Northern Ireland's and places
:55:45. > :55:50.north of the central belt. There will be locally torrential downpour
:55:51. > :55:56.is and temperatures at best will be around the mid teens. A lot of cloud
:55:57. > :56:08.around Rudy Midlands into central and southern areas. `` around the
:56:09. > :56:14.Midlands. It `` a few heavy showers. That is how it is looking.
:56:15. > :56:19.Overnight, a few showers across central and western areas. This area
:56:20. > :56:22.of rate is moving up into South East England and towards eastern
:56:23. > :56:27.counties. It will be heavier and persistent by the end of the night.
:56:28. > :56:32.With all of the cloud around, a pretty mild night, with temperatures
:56:33. > :56:37.around 11 or 12 in the south. Our focus is this area of low pressure.
:56:38. > :56:44.It is sending weather fronts out into the eastern parts of England.
:56:45. > :56:48.It is looking wet in these areas and rain will continue through the day,
:56:49. > :56:51.so warnings are in force for some localised flooding in some places,
:56:52. > :56:57.and with the breeze coming off the North Sea, it will feel particularly
:56:58. > :57:02.cold for the time of year. Further south is towards the far north,
:57:03. > :57:05.mixture of sunny spells and some thundery downpours, with top
:57:06. > :57:10.temperatures around 18 Celsius where you get the sunshine. Wednesday is
:57:11. > :57:14.looking thoroughly wet and it is going North into central and
:57:15. > :57:18.southern parts of Scotland. Cold as well and the breeze is continuing.
:57:19. > :57:25.The best conditions will be across the extreme South West. As he had
:57:26. > :57:31.further into the week, the high pressure is building, some things
:57:32. > :58:34.will get better, but unsettled until that point.
:58:35. > :58:38.Westminster where, for the first time since 1910, neither Labour nor
:58:39. > :58:43.the Conservatives have won a national election.
:58:44. > :58:48.The UK Independence Party is the big winner in the European elections,
:58:49. > :58:52.topping the poll with almost 28% of the vote.
:58:53. > :58:56.My dream has become a reality, despite the onslaught we faced over
:58:57. > :59:00.the last few weeks, as if the whole world was against us. The British
:59:01. > :59:04.public have stood firm and back to UKIP and we have won a national
:59:05. > :59:08.election. Growing pressure on Nick Clegg to resign after the Lib Dems
:59:09. > :59:13.lose all but one of their seats. Diabolical results following awful
:59:14. > :59:17.council election results on Thursday mean it is a very dark day to be a
:59:18. > :59:20.Liberal Democrat. David Cameron insists the
:59:21. > :59:23.Conservatives can win the next general election despite being
:59:24. > :59:29.pushed into third place as they are narrowly beating by Labour.
:59:30. > :59:32.`` beating. I believe we can win the election outright and we should put
:59:33. > :59:36.in front of people our message which is, let us complete the long`term
:59:37. > :59:39.economic plan turning this country around. I think these results go
:59:40. > :59:42.much deeper than what is happening in Europe.
:59:43. > :59:47.I think they are a lot about what is happening in Britain. People do not
:59:48. > :59:51.think Britain works for them. Across Europe, Eurosceptic and
:59:52. > :59:53.antiestablishment parties made big gains.
:59:54. > :59:58.In France, the far right National front storms to victory.
:59:59. > :00:00.All the latest reaction and developments live as they happen
:00:01. > :00:06.throughout the day. The other headlines at midday...
:00:07. > :00:11.Pope Francis visits the most important holy sites for Muslims and
:00:12. > :00:15.Jews in Jerusalem's all the city. And in Ukraine prospect of talks
:00:16. > :00:24.between Ukraine and Russia, after the confectionery tycoon John
:00:25. > :00:26.Curtice stands poised to triumph in the presidential elections. `` the
:00:27. > :00:40.confectionery tycoon, Petro Poroshenko.
:00:41. > :00:46.Good afternoon, live from Westminster, and Westminster is
:00:47. > :00:52.absorbing the impact of a surge in the anti`EU vote that has seen UKIP
:00:53. > :00:56.sweep to victory in the European elections, accompanied by an almost
:00:57. > :00:59.complete collapse in Liberal Democrat support and mounting
:01:00. > :01:03.pressure on the party leader, Nick Clegg.
:01:04. > :01:09.Nigel Farage has hailed the result as extraordinary. His party took
:01:10. > :01:13.nearly 28% of the vote, and now has ten more MEPs, 20 more seats than ``
:01:14. > :01:18.23 more seats in the European Parliament so far.
:01:19. > :01:21.Another significant gain is expected in Scotland in the next half`hour.
:01:22. > :01:25.The Lib Dems lose all but one of their seats in Brussels, whilst the
:01:26. > :01:29.Conservatives lose seven. Labour gained seven but might have
:01:30. > :01:33.expected to do better just one year away from a general election.
:01:34. > :01:36.UKIP promised an earthquake, and there has certainly been a lack ``
:01:37. > :01:43.radical change in the political landscape.
:01:44. > :01:44.Let us around it all up. Let us hear from our political correspondent,
:01:45. > :01:47.Ross Hawkins. It looked good for UKIP last night,
:01:48. > :01:55.toasting the results with champagne in mugs, and having beaten
:01:56. > :01:58.their bigger rivals nationwide, it looked even better to
:01:59. > :02:00.their leader of this morning. Despite the onslaught we faced
:02:01. > :02:05.in the last few weeks, as if the whole world was
:02:06. > :02:08.against us, the British public stood firm, they have backed UKIP, and we
:02:09. > :02:11.have won a national election. Compare that with the fate
:02:12. > :02:15.and the faces of Liberal Democrats who are all but wiped out,
:02:16. > :02:18.left with a single MEP. It went wrong
:02:19. > :02:21.because there is a very febrile anti`European atmosphere
:02:22. > :02:23.in this country at the moment. There is a general disaffection
:02:24. > :02:26.with politics and politicians. With more votes and MEPs, Labour
:02:27. > :02:31.beat the Conservatives, but only just, and everyone is wondering how
:02:32. > :02:36.Nigel Farage's party did so well. Of course I congratulate him
:02:37. > :02:41.on winning these elections. I think, though, the questions that
:02:42. > :02:45.will be asked about UKIP as we come up to the general election is where
:02:46. > :02:48.they stand on some of the major issues that will be
:02:49. > :02:51.decided in the general election. You know, where they stand
:02:52. > :02:55.on taxation, spending, the NHS. Those questions will be asked
:02:56. > :03:04.of UKIP. For the Conservatives,
:03:05. > :03:06.in third place, similar questions. I think the result showed
:03:07. > :03:17.a very clear message that people are disillusioned with the European
:03:18. > :03:20.Union, with the way it is working The challenge is there that is
:03:21. > :03:25.for my party to demonstrate we have There were scuffles as the BNP
:03:26. > :03:30.arrived at Manchester town Hall, but Nick Griffin had already been
:03:31. > :03:32.beaten by the voters. The big picture, though,
:03:33. > :03:34.a UKIP triumph. The question `
:03:35. > :03:44.whether we will see more of this Let us get more reaction, we have
:03:45. > :03:48.heard from the Prime Minister and Ed Miliband, let's speak to Steve
:03:49. > :03:50.Fallon, the chair of UKIP. He joined us here at Westminster. Thank you
:03:51. > :03:56.for your time. Is this beyond expectation?
:03:57. > :03:59.It is what we hoped for, and if we had written the script, this is what
:04:00. > :04:03.we would have written. What will you do with the mandate in Brussels?
:04:04. > :04:08.We will continue doing what we have been doing, which is to work towards
:04:09. > :04:11.the UK's exit from the European Union.
:04:12. > :04:17.Everyone that floats UKIP knows that what we have been sent to Brussels
:04:18. > :04:22.to do. You will have seen Lord Ashcroft's
:04:23. > :04:25.falling over the weekend, and that thinks that perhaps more than 50%
:04:26. > :04:32.will drift back before the election?
:04:33. > :04:35.Well, you have to take this into context with the council elections
:04:36. > :04:39.last week, and the two together are very interesting.
:04:40. > :04:42.The centre of gravity for the party has moved further north.
:04:43. > :04:48.We have made some stunning gains in old Labour territory, and this is
:04:49. > :04:54.really a four party system now. I don't think it is a flash in the
:04:55. > :04:58.pan in any respect. Lord Devlin said that UKIP stands
:04:59. > :05:02.for the worst in human beings, prejudice, fears.
:05:03. > :05:07.Did you succeed by playing on people's base instincts?
:05:08. > :05:11.I absolutely reject that. The problem is, what we have done is
:05:12. > :05:15.that we have opened up debates the other parties have been refusing to
:05:16. > :05:18.have. They are now admitting it today, saying that we should have
:05:19. > :05:22.been more open about some of these things. Yes, they should come and we
:05:23. > :05:26.have not been afraid to open these debates. It is no good just
:05:27. > :05:30.vilifying as for them, people want to talk about them.
:05:31. > :05:32.You are doing real damage to the Conservatives, does that not take
:05:33. > :05:40.you further away from actually where you want to end up?
:05:41. > :05:42.The EU in`out referendum? If you damage the Conservatives, perhaps
:05:43. > :05:47.you will get Labour and the Lib Dems and get any sort of referendum,
:05:48. > :05:48.because the Conservatives are really ones that can deliver that
:05:49. > :05:52.referendum. That is a big assumption about the
:05:53. > :05:58.Conservatives and the others. There are a lot of noises being made
:05:59. > :06:01.now about referendums and the European Union, how Eurosceptic
:06:02. > :06:04.everyone is and worried about immigration, but none of these
:06:05. > :06:09.things would be being said if we were not doing what we were doing.
:06:10. > :06:13.The referendum `` there have been calls for the referendum to be moved
:06:14. > :06:16.forward to 2016, would that make a difference?
:06:17. > :06:21.The sooner the better, definitely. In terms of your party, Ed Miliband
:06:22. > :06:25.was saying that in these next 12 months, your manifesto whenever you
:06:26. > :06:31.come up with it will be scrutinised. Are your days of being the outsiders
:06:32. > :06:36.quite limited now? You have 150 councillors, plus.
:06:37. > :06:38.You have a big input into brothels, you are now part of the
:06:39. > :06:44.establishment. In political terms, gas, we're not
:06:45. > :06:49.the outsiders. We are in `` we are an insurgent organisation. But we
:06:50. > :06:54.are prepared for scrutiny of our policies.
:06:55. > :06:58.In terms of... Even Nigel Farage has acknowledged a
:06:59. > :07:01.lot has fallen on his shoulders. One party official was describing it
:07:02. > :07:06.and said that last week it felt like we were carrying around a fragile
:07:07. > :07:08.and expensive fires through a crowded room.
:07:09. > :07:13.You acknowledge you are a bit of a one`man band still.
:07:14. > :07:16.These things become self`fulfilling. Nigel has become a big political
:07:17. > :07:20.star in the country and someone people admire and want to see.
:07:21. > :07:23.Clearly that means he is front and centre in the media, but as I am
:07:24. > :07:29.sure you will have seen in the past few days there are more of us than
:07:30. > :07:34.just Nigel. Taking a step back, we have seen two
:07:35. > :07:38.sets of election results in a few days, and your success in both.
:07:39. > :07:42.Do you think the country, as we stand, is more or less at ease with
:07:43. > :07:46.itself within its communities, with its neighbours?
:07:47. > :07:49.I actually think it is more at ease with itself, because there is one
:07:50. > :07:53.thing we're doing, and this comes back to us the doorsteps, which is
:07:54. > :07:57.that we are giving voice to things that are not being talked about and
:07:58. > :07:59.that makes people feel happier in many respects. A lot of people have
:08:00. > :08:04.become disengaged from the political environment in the last 20 years,
:08:05. > :08:07.and they are saying to us, I am going to vote for you because you
:08:08. > :08:12.were talking about things I think need to be talked about. If you
:08:13. > :08:15.suppress political strands, it is not healthy. I think we are now
:08:16. > :08:21.having debates we should have been having several years ago. Steve
:08:22. > :08:24.Fallon, thank you for your time. Let's head to our cheap little
:08:25. > :08:29.correspondent, Norman Smith, assessing all of those results and
:08:30. > :08:31.the reaction through the course of a busy morning.
:08:32. > :08:37.Norman, what are your thoughts this lunchtime?
:08:38. > :08:41.Matthew, I am outside a very nice Hotel in St James' Park, which has
:08:42. > :08:44.been booked by UKIP for their victory celebrations, which I think
:08:45. > :08:48.give you some sense they must have been pretty confident they were
:08:49. > :08:51.going to win if they have booked a presumably rather expensive hotel
:08:52. > :08:56.suite to have their victory celebrations.
:08:57. > :09:02.Let us not disguise it, it is a massive, massive victory for UKIP,
:09:03. > :09:04.but it is a victory in these sets of elections.
:09:05. > :09:09.We simply do not know whether it will roll over into the general
:09:10. > :09:12.election. You have to say, his group tells us that our electoral system
:09:13. > :09:16.is very adept at squeezing the life out of the smaller parties because
:09:17. > :09:19.of the first past the post system. You can bank up loads of votes all
:09:20. > :09:25.over the place but that does not mean you are going to win seats.
:09:26. > :09:30.That is a real challenge facing UKIP ` can they translate this big number
:09:31. > :09:34.of votes in two seats? Secondly, there is now a challenge facing
:09:35. > :09:37.Nigel Farage himself. When he was campaigning, I was out and about
:09:38. > :09:41.with him a bit and it was very obvious that the public liked him,
:09:42. > :09:46.but they know nothing about anyone else in UKIP. There is a challenge
:09:47. > :09:51.as to whether he can broaden the personality of his party, so that it
:09:52. > :09:56.is not just a one`man band, which at the moment it largely is. Thirdly,
:09:57. > :10:01.he now has to engage on a much broader palette of policies. He
:10:02. > :10:05.cannot just say I am not going to talk about our manifesto, it is all
:10:06. > :10:07.about immigration and Europe, he will now have doing gauge on issues
:10:08. > :10:12.like the health service, the economy, other places where the UKIP
:10:13. > :10:15.will have to spell out where they stand and that provides much more
:10:16. > :10:19.opportunity for the main parties to have a go at UKIP. I was struck this
:10:20. > :10:25.morning, listening to Chuka Umunna of the Labour Party, he was already
:10:26. > :10:30.flagging up UKIP's commitment to flat taxes that would amount to a
:10:31. > :10:32.tax cut for the wealthy. He mentioned the fact they had
:10:33. > :10:37.previously called for charging to visit GPs, to do away with things
:10:38. > :10:41.like maternity pay. You get a sense, certainly on the Labour side, that
:10:42. > :10:45.they are preparing now to play hardball with UKIP. No longer
:10:46. > :10:52.dancing around, Mr nicely nicely, they know they have doing gauge and
:10:53. > :10:55.`` they have to engage. A terrific result in these
:10:56. > :10:58.elections, a whole other ball game when it comes to the general
:10:59. > :11:02.election. Thank you, Norman, we will hear more
:11:03. > :11:05.from him during the day. We are still waiting for the
:11:06. > :11:09.official results in Scotland, so let us head to Edinburgh and speak to
:11:10. > :11:14.BBC Scotland editor, Brian Taylor. What can you tell us?
:11:15. > :11:20.We have the figures for the total share of the vote right now. The
:11:21. > :11:25.candidates are in a room nearby in Edinburgh city Chambers working out
:11:26. > :11:30.the system that is calculated in terms of seats, but I can say that
:11:31. > :11:36.the SNP has topped the poll in popular voting 28.9%, one for ice a
:11:37. > :11:41.fraction down from five years ago. They are winners, so are they happy?
:11:42. > :11:45.Not really, firstly because their vote is slightly down, and secondly
:11:46. > :11:48.because they had set themselves a target, particularly in the last few
:11:49. > :11:52.weeks of campaigning for the European elections, to go up from
:11:53. > :11:56.two seats, their present total, 23`macro. They were to use that
:11:57. > :12:03.winning the third seat to squeeze UKIP out of Scotland, as they put
:12:04. > :12:08.it. It looks on these figures as if UKIP will take a seat in Scotland.
:12:09. > :12:13.To explain the impact of that, UKIP currently, as we stand, until we get
:12:14. > :12:23.the declaration, UKIP have no MPs in Scotland, NOMS please, no MEPs `` no
:12:24. > :12:28.MPs. This would be their first foothold in any sense in politics in
:12:29. > :12:33.Scotland. Their share of the vote, Aaron 10%, is way down on what it is
:12:34. > :12:36.in England, and on Wales, but they have not been squeezed out of
:12:37. > :12:41.existence. Alex Salmond will argue very vigorously, his party have
:12:42. > :12:45.topped the polls, they have been accompanied by a squeeze on the UKIP
:12:46. > :12:48.vote. He will say that indicates Scotland still votes in a very
:12:49. > :12:52.different way from England and that argues perhaps for a difficult ``
:12:53. > :12:58.different style of politics and perhaps independence. But I think
:12:59. > :13:02.his prounion opponents will say, it is different, but not that
:13:03. > :13:05.different, UKIP have still managed to advance in Scotland.
:13:06. > :13:08.Like you for taking us through those figures, we are expecting that
:13:09. > :13:12.official declaration, the announcement, at 12:30pm.
:13:13. > :13:22.As soon as that start we will hear that live on BBC News.
:13:23. > :13:27.Let us discuss what we already know, with a Conservative MP.
:13:28. > :13:30.First of all, how do you view what we have seen?
:13:31. > :13:34.I think politicians have been offered a lesson by these election
:13:35. > :13:38.results, that if you do not engage with the electorate in a way that
:13:39. > :13:42.they think is relevant in a language that is appropriate, that they can
:13:43. > :13:45.respond to, they will simply go and vote for other parties. Whether
:13:46. > :13:50.politicians take up that lesson is another question. To me, the most
:13:51. > :13:55.distressing part of this is that the outcome of these European elections
:13:56. > :14:00.is that we will have a European Parliament that collectively will be
:14:01. > :14:04.more integrationist because those anti`parties will not be able to
:14:05. > :14:08.form a block to reform internally. I will come round to the workings of
:14:09. > :14:12.the Parliament in a moment, but do you see the results of last night as
:14:13. > :14:16.a vast swathe of this country rejecting what we have at the moment
:14:17. > :14:19.in terms of the relationship with Europe?
:14:20. > :14:23.I think it is a little bit about Europe, but also about what I have
:14:24. > :14:28.seen over the decades, really to speed Britain. I represent a coastal
:14:29. > :14:32.town that has a different economy to cities. We have to insure that
:14:33. > :14:37.economic recovery permeates every milk and cranny of the country and
:14:38. > :14:42.does not create this is connected between what is seen as a metro
:14:43. > :14:45.centric Whitehall, and what is happening on the ground.
:14:46. > :14:48.People have felt distance from power.
:14:49. > :14:53.It is not just Europe, they feel distant from the District Council. I
:14:54. > :14:57.think we have to turbo`charge localism and really embed power back
:14:58. > :15:01.with the people, rather than in institutions. But that means facing
:15:02. > :15:03.up to talking about the issues people are talking about and are
:15:04. > :15:06.concerned about. You think enough has been done on
:15:07. > :15:09.that issue? Yes, but we must also be careful
:15:10. > :15:15.that we are talking about the real issues. In my constituency, the
:15:16. > :15:20.average wage is ?17,500. What we have is a low income
:15:21. > :15:23.economy. It needs to have, you know, real boosting, and what we
:15:24. > :15:29.need to do is to ensure we are talking about optimistic future is,
:15:30. > :15:34.at about engaging with the public, but not necessarily using all of
:15:35. > :15:39.UKIP's euphemisms for the solutions. Nigel Farage has been the one that
:15:40. > :15:42.has been talking about immigration. He has said you have created a low
:15:43. > :15:46.income economy in Britain with immigration. Using `` and using
:15:47. > :15:53.gauging with the issue do you just raged `` the issue you just raised.
:15:54. > :15:55.Yes, but there are lots of different dimensional.
:15:56. > :16:01.We need to look at minimum wage. The Prime Minister a few weeks ago said
:16:02. > :16:05.he supported a call that I made that we should look at minimum wage and
:16:06. > :16:09.living wage. This is something that is crucial in areas that have
:16:10. > :16:13.pockets, periphery economies, that feel very left out of this very
:16:14. > :16:17.metro centric country that we live in.
:16:18. > :16:21.For your party, for Ed Miliband, what do you think the challenges are
:16:22. > :16:28.question marks do you think he is fully facing those?
:16:29. > :16:33.The challenge is to become a much more precise to stop we have had an
:16:34. > :16:39.election campaign where the parties have been talking in generalities
:16:40. > :16:47.and have been whipping up a lot of anger. What does Ed Miliband think
:16:48. > :16:54.should happen to the minimum wage? How should it be pitched? How does
:16:55. > :17:03.he think that border control should go? How can we successfully reform
:17:04. > :17:09.Europe? What are three key things he would do? He needs to be precise. He
:17:10. > :17:15.has restated that the Labour pivot `` he has restated the Labour
:17:16. > :17:20.position on the referendum. I have always been in favour of having a
:17:21. > :17:23.referendum. If Ed Miliband wanted to be Prime Minister, there are many
:17:24. > :17:28.other things he needs to do first, but those people who talk about a
:17:29. > :17:34.referendum, they are not spelling out what the alternatives are. The
:17:35. > :17:39.politicians are not asking where the work is we can really go to the
:17:40. > :17:47.electorate and say what in words means and outwards in. Do you not
:17:48. > :17:50.feel that not having a referendum is making a statement, and a lot of the
:17:51. > :17:58.issues around here is a not Europe, it is about people feel that
:17:59. > :18:04.politicians are not listening to them, and there is that issue about
:18:05. > :18:11.our connection with Europe. If the referendum goes on, we need work at
:18:12. > :18:15.government level which would spell out what going out would entail.
:18:16. > :18:19.Given the result we have had overnight, isn't having a referendum
:18:20. > :18:25.totally uncontrollable for David Cameron? He has campaigned for the
:18:26. > :18:31.last few weeks on a set agenda, which basically, the public in part
:18:32. > :18:37.have not listened to. Is that not the greatest danger for him? I think
:18:38. > :18:40.European elections are known as elections with people get the
:18:41. > :18:43.government a kicking. I think the Conservative Party has done really
:18:44. > :18:47.well at the Conservative Party has done really well at this election
:18:48. > :18:52.considering have got to look at the interests of Britain. I have a
:18:53. > :18:56.little bit of a different view from your other guest, and I believe we
:18:57. > :19:01.should stay in Europe, but we need a Europe that is working for our
:19:02. > :19:07.interests, ambitious, externally focused, looking at those trade
:19:08. > :19:13.deals, really pushing our agenda. You would not say you want a Europe
:19:14. > :19:20.that is unambitious. That is the problem which the electorate finds
:19:21. > :19:24.itself in. This is what UKIP has tapped into, a more precise
:19:25. > :19:27.language. We have to leave it there, but that is interesting, because
:19:28. > :19:32.that is why the party leaders are being pressed on, the exact details
:19:33. > :19:36.of how they respond to this set of results. We have a ready heard it
:19:37. > :19:42.from both David Cameron and Ed Miliband, but it was nice to hear
:19:43. > :19:47.from both of you. Let's head to our correspondent who is in the East
:19:48. > :19:53.Midlands, where UKIP got most of the votes. It is also the battle ground
:19:54. > :19:57.for the parliamentary by`election that is coming up in less than A4
:19:58. > :20:03.night. `` less than two weeks. One of the
:20:04. > :20:10.11 constituencies in Britain, here today come it has been a triumph for
:20:11. > :20:16.UKIP. Here are the results from overnight. The UKIP representatives
:20:17. > :20:23.to two MEP state, taking the biggest share of the overall vote. The
:20:24. > :20:28.Tories have two seats, and in last place, Labour, with just one seat.
:20:29. > :20:34.And unfortunate result for members of the Lib Dems. They only managed
:20:35. > :20:39.to get 6% of the Council votes here. Some people are now calling for Nick
:20:40. > :20:43.Clegg to resign, saying that he is not doing what he needs to do in the
:20:44. > :20:48.East Midlands to wind those people over. UKIP are hoping they will be
:20:49. > :20:52.able to carry on this winning momentum into the by`election, which
:20:53. > :20:59.was triggered by a resignation, someone had to resign after a
:21:00. > :21:04.scandal, so they are hoping they will bring that momentum over, but
:21:05. > :21:09.the Tories have a majority here, and they were campaigning hard here last
:21:10. > :21:14.week, and they feel that they are able to turn that into a succession
:21:15. > :21:16.in the by`election next week, but we will see if the UKIP can overturn
:21:17. > :21:23.the majority. They do very much.
:21:24. > :21:26.Let's take a more in depth look at what happened across Europe last
:21:27. > :21:29.night because anti`EU parties from the left and right are expected
:21:30. > :21:32.to gain significant numbers of MEPs across all 28 member states.
:21:33. > :21:48.Dealing with the shock waves of these results. Yes, and the biggest
:21:49. > :21:57.question will be, will they choose to deal with the shock waves. Will
:21:58. > :22:02.they say, well, that was a negative vote, maybe more than a protest of
:22:03. > :22:06.it, but it did not have an agenda that came with it, so we are going
:22:07. > :22:10.to focus on what we can do for the European economy. When you look at
:22:11. > :22:14.the results of overnight, yes, it was the night for the insurgents,
:22:15. > :22:22.but there was some very differing platforms politically there, from
:22:23. > :22:26.France to Greece, which is on the left, not right, so it is a
:22:27. > :22:30.collocated and fractured picture and certainly a lot more exciting that
:22:31. > :22:37.it was before. This worker complicated. Here is a round`up of
:22:38. > :22:44.the will stop `` combo kit. Here is a round up. One of four of the votes
:22:45. > :22:48.cast in France went to the Front National, a huge jump in support.
:22:49. > :22:53.The party's readers that the sovereign people have spoken loudly
:22:54. > :22:58.and wanted to be masters of their own destiny. It was a boat against
:22:59. > :23:04.the unpopular socialist president, but it was a vote against the effect
:23:05. > :23:09.of number ship as well, particularly immigration. The Danish people's
:23:10. > :23:14.party came first in Denmark on a promise of taking powers back from
:23:15. > :23:18.Brussels. When MEPs meet here, more of them and ever will be fierce
:23:19. > :23:22.critics of the parliaments they have just been elected to. The
:23:23. > :23:27.mainstream, centre`left and centre`right parties will still have
:23:28. > :23:32.a majority here, but anti`Europe MEP will be a disruptive block of
:23:33. > :23:38.dissent. And they do not just come from the right. In Greece, the
:23:39. > :23:42.radical left party topped the poll. Greece has been hit hard by
:23:43. > :23:49.austerity. The far right 's Golden Dawn came third, winning MEPs for
:23:50. > :23:53.the first time. There has been a backlash against Europe and
:23:54. > :23:59.immigration in some member states, and it is the Front National's win
:24:00. > :24:04.in France and UKIP's when in Britain that has defined the selection.
:24:05. > :24:10.Let's go to France, where we had that huge upset by the Front
:24:11. > :24:14.National. Christian Fraser is there for us. It has been a morning of
:24:15. > :24:20.political activity, hasn't it, reacting to that upset.
:24:21. > :24:26.Yes. The two mainstream parties are very much licking their wounds this
:24:27. > :24:31.morning. The socialists called an emergency meeting today at 830. On
:24:32. > :24:36.his way, the Prime Minister was saying that he wants to introduce
:24:37. > :24:42.income tax cuts for lower and middle income families, so they recognise
:24:43. > :24:47.the scale of the anger. Here are a couple of headlines. This is the
:24:48. > :24:52.French word for earthquake and you can see Marine Le Pen on the front.
:24:53. > :24:58.Here is a picture of the president. His party took just 14% of the vote
:24:59. > :25:02.which is their worst performance. Compare that to Angela Merkel's
:25:03. > :25:11.party in Germany who took almost one in three votes. This is the front
:25:12. > :25:14.page of a newspaper. People are worried that France will now be
:25:15. > :25:19.identified solely with the Front National. Another newspaper is
:25:20. > :25:24.saying that this has happened before, in 2002, when the father of
:25:25. > :25:27.Marine Le Pen went through to the second round of the presidential
:25:28. > :25:32.vote, but what is different this time is that there is not the same
:25:33. > :25:35.public act last to the result, no protests, no demonstrations in Paris
:25:36. > :25:41.today. There has almost been a shrug of the the tale of the results. The
:25:42. > :25:49.other things they asked Marco at the gala of the results. `` there has
:25:50. > :25:56.almost been a shrug at the scale of the results. There are questions
:25:57. > :26:03.about how the president can continue to govern for the next three years
:26:04. > :26:06.when his mandate looks so fragile. Thank you very much. There is
:26:07. > :26:12.certainly a lot to think about here in terms of how the institutions
:26:13. > :26:19.will be run, the policies, what challenges face them.
:26:20. > :26:22.Thank you. We not that far away from getting the official result in
:26:23. > :26:26.Scotland, so let's go back live to Edinburgh and show you the pictures
:26:27. > :26:32.there and talk again to our correspondence. A think we are about
:26:33. > :26:39.to get the declaration, so before we talk to Brian, let's listen in.
:26:40. > :26:46.Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. I have the result of the
:26:47. > :26:52.election for the electoral region of Scotland and European parliamentary
:26:53. > :26:59.elections of 2014. I am a regional returning officer at the European
:27:00. > :27:07.element elections held on May 22, 2014. The total number of valid
:27:08. > :27:11.events as notified to me, given to each registered party and to be the
:27:12. > :27:16.number of votes which such a party had at any stage when a seat with
:27:17. > :27:20.allocated to that party, the names in full in the home addresses and
:27:21. > :27:24.full of each candidate to fill a seat or to whom a seat has been
:27:25. > :27:28.allocated, and whether in the case of a party there are remaining
:27:29. > :27:32.candidates who have not been declared to be elected. First of
:27:33. > :27:39.all, total number of valid votes given to each registered party.
:27:40. > :27:53.Britain first, 13,639. British National Party, 10,216. Conservative
:27:54. > :28:05.Party, 231,000. Labour Party, 438,219. Liberal Democrats, 95,319.
:28:06. > :28:16.Not UKIP... Scottish Green Party, 108,305. Scottish National Party,
:28:17. > :28:31.389,503. UK Independence Party, 140,000, 534. `` 140,534. Whether or
:28:32. > :28:37.not a candidate is remaining on that list has the who has not been
:28:38. > :28:44.elected. The number one, the Scottish National Party, the number
:28:45. > :29:02.of a vote on the allocation of the seat with 389,503. In an address of
:29:03. > :29:05.the successful candidate... And there were still candidates
:29:06. > :29:08.remaining on the party list not declared elected.
:29:09. > :29:13.Seat number two is allocated to the Labour Party. The number of thoughts
:29:14. > :29:16.on the allocation of seats was 348,219, and the name and address of
:29:17. > :29:33.the successful and edit, David Martin, beers then. `` successful
:29:34. > :29:36.candidate from Bearsden. Seat number three was allocated to
:29:37. > :29:42.the Conservative Party. The number of votes on the allocation of the
:29:43. > :29:47.seat was 231,330, and the name and address of the successful candidate
:29:48. > :29:51.was Iain Duncan, Edinburgh. And there were candidates remaining
:29:52. > :30:04.on that party list not declared elected.
:30:05. > :30:09.Seat number four was allocated to the Scottish National party. The
:30:10. > :30:14.number of thoughts on the allocation of the seat was 194,752. The name
:30:15. > :30:21.and address of the successful candidate, Alan Smith, Edinburgh.
:30:22. > :30:24.Again, there were parties remaining on the party list not declared
:30:25. > :30:32.elected. APPLAUSE AND CHEERING
:30:33. > :30:42.Seat number five was allocated to the Labour Party. The number of
:30:43. > :30:47.thoughts on the allocation of this seat was 170 4000, 110. The name and
:30:48. > :30:53.address of the successful candidate, Catherine Styler, Dunfermline.
:30:54. > :31:01.There were still candidates remaining on the party list not
:31:02. > :31:04.declared elected. APPLAUSE
:31:05. > :31:11.the sixth and final seat for Scotland was allocated to the UK
:31:12. > :31:16.Independence Party. The number of votes on the
:31:17. > :31:18.allocation of seat was 140,534. The name and address of the
:31:19. > :31:27.successful candidate was David Adam Cockburn, Kensington, London.
:31:28. > :31:34.There were parties remaining on that party list not declared elected.
:31:35. > :31:41.APPLAUSE ladies and gentlemen, I am going to
:31:42. > :31:44.ask each of the successful candidates if they wished is a a few
:31:45. > :31:50.words to you, but I would like to thank the entire team in the
:31:51. > :31:54.regional returning officers' team, and the CAD collation team in
:31:55. > :31:57.particular, but also to thank all of the local returning officers around
:31:58. > :32:02.Scotland for a welly `` very well conducted election.
:32:03. > :32:08.There it is, the results in Scotland.
:32:09. > :32:11.UKIP, getting representation in Scotland for the first time.
:32:12. > :32:14.Let us bring in BBC Scotland editor, Brian Taylor, watching all
:32:15. > :32:18.of that. Brian, your assessment?
:32:19. > :32:27.It is a remarkable victory for... We're still the most popular party
:32:28. > :32:41.in terms of the vote... Jim Murphy, the member of the Shadow
:32:42. > :32:46.Cabinet has done a blog in which he says the SNP are in denial about the
:32:47. > :32:52.advance of UKIP in Scotland. There is a slight paradox for those
:32:53. > :32:56.who support the union in labour and Liberal Democrats and conservatives,
:32:57. > :33:00.but he says it indicates a pattern north and south of the border is not
:33:01. > :33:03.as great a distance as has been argued by the SNP.
:33:04. > :33:11.That is being completely countered by the lead SNB `` the lead SNP
:33:12. > :33:15.candidate. They see the difference is still
:33:16. > :33:21.extremely clear and sharp. The SNP acts effectively, they would argue,
:33:22. > :33:25.as the antidote to UKIP. Brian come is there anything from
:33:26. > :33:28.this set of election results that in any way please for the referendum
:33:29. > :33:32.that is coming in a few months? I think the element that makes the
:33:33. > :33:36.difference is that the SNP have topped the poll and they are
:33:37. > :33:39.delighted with that, they are pleased.
:33:40. > :33:41.Despite being in government for seven years.
:33:42. > :33:46.They have topped the poll while in the last few weeks they said they
:33:47. > :33:48.hoped to take three seats, not two, and to squeeze out UKIP as
:33:49. > :33:53.bodyguards. They have not done so.
:33:54. > :33:55.Brian Taylor, just taking us through those results in Scotland.
:33:56. > :34:01.Official confirmation thereof the seats in Scotland.
:34:02. > :34:05.We still wait for confirmation from Northern Ireland.
:34:06. > :34:08.Let us look at the picture for the Liberal Democrats, because that a
:34:09. > :34:12.story that is emerging through the course of this morning, UKIP has
:34:13. > :34:18.taken half of the available seats for Yorkshire and Humber and the
:34:19. > :34:23.area covers Sheffield, the home of Nick Clegg's constituency.
:34:24. > :34:29.Our correspondent is there, and we have seen games across the country
:34:30. > :34:35.for UKIP. There, also, it is home for Nick Clegg.
:34:36. > :34:38.Good afternoon. I am not sure Nick Clegg will be having a great bank
:34:39. > :34:42.holiday Monday today after the dismal results in both local and
:34:43. > :34:47.European elections. We argue in his constituency, which
:34:48. > :34:51.has been the case since 2005. It is Sheffield Hallam. It has an unusual
:34:52. > :34:55.make`up, because where we are standing now, and very busy student
:34:56. > :35:01.population, you can look around and it is pretty busy year, but also his
:35:02. > :35:04.constituency is made up of a very large rural population, as well,
:35:05. > :35:10.which takes in the Peak District. It is an unusual make`up, he has to
:35:11. > :35:12.please the rural people and student population.
:35:13. > :35:16.There are a couple of issues that may have come back to haunt him,
:35:17. > :35:20.that the coalition cuts will have hit people in rural areas, and
:35:21. > :35:24.students here, we have gotten a real sense this morning, has still not
:35:25. > :35:29.forgiven him for the furore over tuition fees.
:35:30. > :35:33.Before the last election he promised he would not raise them at all, then
:35:34. > :35:38.he got together with David Cameron and what does he do? He went back on
:35:39. > :35:41.his work. `` on his word.
:35:42. > :35:44.He apologised profusely, but it may have come back to haunt him.
:35:45. > :35:50.This has been the reaction from some people in the area earlier today.
:35:51. > :35:52.I think it is horrible. I think the country doesn't really have enough
:35:53. > :35:58.information on the whole subject and I think it has angrily voted, a sort
:35:59. > :36:04.of protest rather than actually wanting UKIP, shamefully.
:36:05. > :36:09.I am glad that Labour went up in quite a few areas.
:36:10. > :36:16.The game from Tories and stuff, I saw that on the website, that is
:36:17. > :36:16.good. To be honest, I do not bother voting.
:36:17. > :36:20.I know that probably sounds shocking I know that probably sounds shocking
:36:21. > :36:20.but I do not vote because I do not but I do not vote because I do not
:36:21. > :36:29.particularly agree with any party. I think we should be fighting back
:36:30. > :36:35.happens. the get in. We will have to see
:36:36. > :36:41.happens. That is the view from some people
:36:42. > :36:42.general feeling across the country general feeling across the country
:36:43. > :36:42.election `` European elections to that people have used the general
:36:43. > :36:42.election `` European elections to get back at the Coalition
:36:43. > :36:44.Government. Historically, this seat Government. Historically, this seat
:36:45. > :36:47.is unusual, it has never been a Labour heartland compared to some
:36:48. > :36:51.places in South Yorkshire, but it has always been a very safe Liberal
:36:52. > :36:55.Democrats seat. Whether that will be the case in the next election, it is
:36:56. > :37:00.looking quite uncertain. Charlotte, thank you very much.
:37:01. > :37:06.Asked to concentrate on the Liberal Democrats for the next few moments,
:37:07. > :37:10.they are taking stock of terrible they are taking stock of
:37:11. > :37:17.results. We had the local elections when they
:37:18. > :37:25.lost around 300 counsellors, and that was on top of councillors they
:37:26. > :37:35.have lost before. Then, last night, they have gone
:37:36. > :37:42.from 12 MEPs to a solitary MEP. We have seen through the course of the
:37:43. > :37:46.morning the criticism that is being directed at Nick Clegg. We have had
:37:47. > :37:47.one MP saying it is not the message, but the messenger. John Pugh was
:37:48. > :37:50.likening over the weekend to Nick Clegg and those at the top of the
:37:51. > :37:54.Liberal Democrat party generals at the Somme. We have topped about a
:37:55. > :37:56.deficit of trust with Nick Clegg. A lot of issues being directed to Nick
:37:57. > :38:00.Clegg. I hope to speak to John Pugh, one of
:38:01. > :38:05.those MPs come in a few minutes. But first, let's get the thought of
:38:06. > :38:12.some of the younger party Abbas, joining me is Becks Bailey, the
:38:13. > :38:17.youth representative from Labour, and the liberal representative for
:38:18. > :38:20.you. I was talking about the Liberal
:38:21. > :38:25.Democrats, it makes sense to turn to you first, what do you make of these
:38:26. > :38:28.results? It is a disappointment, but you have
:38:29. > :38:33.to bear in mind it is very different to what people think. It is not a
:38:34. > :38:38.Lib Dem wipe`out, because at the last European election we got 14%.
:38:39. > :38:41.It is not far off. Beren mind this is before the
:38:42. > :38:45.coalition, we were on 14% in the European elections. The biggest
:38:46. > :38:50.story is that turnout was pretty horrific...
:38:51. > :38:54.Turnout is not the story, come on. The UKIP surge is the story and the
:38:55. > :38:59.real impact on the Liberal Democrats and what it says in terms of its
:39:00. > :39:06.leader taking the party into two results like that. Would you like to
:39:07. > :39:13.see Nick Clegg continue on this strategy?
:39:14. > :39:22.I think we had a fantastic strategy, I am proud of the message we put out
:39:23. > :39:31.their... Even though the public rejected it?
:39:32. > :39:35.I think it had more to do with labour not joining us to tackle
:39:36. > :39:37.xenophobia. They should have had a character
:39:38. > :39:38.assassination of Nigel Farage. Instead of focusing on Nick Clegg
:39:39. > :39:40.for four years, which was an incorrect strategy. They completely
:39:41. > :39:42.ignored now `` Nigel Farage, and Nick Clegg was the only one to
:39:43. > :39:44.confronting head`on. It completely died looted the message we should
:39:45. > :39:46.have had as an entire country, which is not xenophobic.
:39:47. > :39:48.You would acknowledge that the public come in vastus waves, have
:39:49. > :39:49.rejected what your party put forward.
:39:50. > :39:56.I think it comes down to how much of the message actually got through.
:39:57. > :40:00.There was just one party putting forward the pro`EU message and
:40:01. > :40:03.Labour should have joined us in that.
:40:04. > :40:09.Was John man right which Mikey made a similar point that UKIP has made
:40:10. > :40:17.real inroads into labour support, `` was John man right?
:40:18. > :40:20.I think we did to an extent attack UKIP.
:40:21. > :40:23.We have seen in Lib Dem support dropping off that they have let
:40:24. > :40:27.young people dying, and young people voted according to that.
:40:28. > :40:32.Did you go after UKIP as strongly as you should?
:40:33. > :40:36.Yes, I think we did. Not at all. That is not right. I think what we
:40:37. > :40:38.have seen from these election results is that the public have
:40:39. > :40:44.recognised that. No, sorry, common struggle, Labour
:40:45. > :40:47.had a campaign that had nothing to do with Europe at all. They had a
:40:48. > :40:52.poster out talking about Nick Clegg, the person who put your VAT
:40:53. > :40:57.bill up. There has been no rise on VAT on
:40:58. > :41:00.food. The wall broadcast was shrieking mad
:41:01. > :41:05.about Nick Clegg. It is interesting because, after these results come in
:41:06. > :41:09.Ed Miliband is going out talking about all of those areas where UKIP
:41:10. > :41:13.have made gains. That is where he is now focused but
:41:14. > :41:16.perhaps it is a little late. I think if we look nationally the
:41:17. > :41:20.Labour Party has increased the vote share this time and all the other
:41:21. > :41:22.parties have seen their vote share decrease.
:41:23. > :41:27.Labour one year away from the general election should have topped
:41:28. > :41:30.the polls. We are in a fantastic position.
:41:31. > :41:35.We have been increasing our seats in the marginal constituencies, we are
:41:36. > :41:40.doing a good job in those areas. When you sat down and had a strategy
:41:41. > :41:45.at 2010, it probably was to focus on marginal seats in a straight,
:41:46. > :41:49.conservative` labour fight. Also to get voters from the Liberal
:41:50. > :41:53.Democrats, disgruntled voters. Doesn't that strategy now have to be
:41:54. > :41:59.thrown out of the window now that we are in four party politics?
:42:00. > :42:03.We are gaining votes from the Lib Dems and Tories.
:42:04. > :42:07.But losing them to UKIP. There are obviously concerns the voters have
:42:08. > :42:10.that we should be listening to, they feel shut out from politics.
:42:11. > :42:15.Labour has been consistently putting forward policies to counter that and
:42:16. > :42:19.making sure people feel involved in the economy and have that kind of
:42:20. > :42:22.voice, particularly 16`year`olds making sure... Are you making enough
:42:23. > :42:25.strides? 12 month out you should be much
:42:26. > :42:27.further ahead, should you not? We're winning the seats that
:42:28. > :42:32.matter. That is not what I am asking you.
:42:33. > :42:34.Shouldn't you be further ahead than you are after four years of
:42:35. > :42:38.hostility? I think it is a tough challenge to
:42:39. > :42:42.come back after one year of being out of government. We have increased
:42:43. > :42:47.our vote share, we have more local councillors, more councils...
:42:48. > :42:52.The interesting thing in terms the Labour perspective, despite the
:42:53. > :42:56.points you have raised and I have raised, they have come out with a
:42:57. > :43:00.number of policies, even in the areas where they face a challenge
:43:01. > :43:04.from UKIP they have come up with a policy on minimum wage. They have
:43:05. > :43:07.been talking about zero hours contracts, rent, a whole raft of
:43:08. > :43:11.policies that they will eventually will bring UKIP back.
:43:12. > :43:16.The Liberal Democrats, what are they going to do now, given what you have
:43:17. > :43:20.put forward has been rejected? Well, I think you have to Beren mind
:43:21. > :43:23.we have just been in government and managed to get the economy to rise
:43:24. > :43:27.up. `` of you have to bear in mind.
:43:28. > :43:31.We have policies we wish we could have done in the last 100 years, we
:43:32. > :43:34.raised the income tax threshold to ?10,000.
:43:35. > :43:38.We have introduced the people bring in, we had done so much in
:43:39. > :43:42.government as opposed to the reactionary shouting from the
:43:43. > :43:46.sidelines Miliband has been doing. Thank you so much for being with me
:43:47. > :43:49.for those thoughts, but I will edit them because we have been talking a
:43:50. > :43:53.lot about the Liberal Democrat MP for Southport.
:43:54. > :44:01.He is in our Liverpool 's studio. Thank you for your time. What do you
:44:02. > :44:05.make of these results question mark well, they are abysmal.
:44:06. > :44:13.We have lost 91% of our European MPs and a few days ago we lost 72% of
:44:14. > :44:16.the councillors that were standing. There are many areas that have no
:44:17. > :44:20.Liberal Democrat representation at any level. They are abysmal,
:44:21. > :44:24.worrying, undeserved, but we have to deal with it.
:44:25. > :44:28.How do you deal with it? I was reading some of your comments over
:44:29. > :44:33.the weekend specific to Nick Clegg. You likened him to generals at the
:44:34. > :44:38.Somme. Certainly the people at the top of the party. I agree with Paddy
:44:39. > :44:41.Ashdown, that we have to keep our heads.
:44:42. > :44:47.In these sort of is, where we have lost 91% of our Euro MPs, we have,
:44:48. > :44:51.after the greens in the European elections and lost a of councillors
:44:52. > :44:53.after the previous elections, in those circumstances, we are not
:44:54. > :44:58.going to have a review of strategy and leadership. In whatever
:44:59. > :45:06.circumstances would we have a strategy review.
:45:07. > :45:11.What should the considerations be when it comes to the issue of
:45:12. > :45:22.leadership? My personal preference would be for a succession. It is up
:45:23. > :45:27.to the polls to tell us what will make us successful and progressive
:45:28. > :45:33.come up the cannot just carry on as usual. If we do, we are exactly like
:45:34. > :45:40.those generals, because these results are her rent is. So you
:45:41. > :45:44.think it cannot just be businesses `` results are her rudeness. So you
:45:45. > :45:50.think the issue of ownership has to think the issue of ownership has to
:45:51. > :45:59.be decided. Decided now and decided quickly. We should reflect very hard
:46:00. > :46:02.and quickly, make some good decisions and get onto the election
:46:03. > :46:06.in better shape, but we can't go on into elections in the same shape
:46:07. > :46:11.that we went into the last lot of elections. I am puzzled, and maybe
:46:12. > :46:17.you can't explain, because in terms of going into the coalition, there
:46:18. > :46:22.were votes for the Liberal Democrats, you all signed up to it,
:46:23. > :46:28.in terms of a change, why would it be any different under Vince Cable,
:46:29. > :46:36.the name he just mentioned? We are proud of his achievements. Clearly,
:46:37. > :46:40.people in low income brackets are being helped. All that kind of thing
:46:41. > :46:44.is very good. The problem is that that could message is not getting
:46:45. > :46:47.across, and one of the fundamental problems is that a section of the
:46:48. > :46:54.electorate are not listening to Nick Clack at the moment `` Nick Clegg at
:46:55. > :46:58.the moment. That is unfortunate. We have got to deal with the world as
:46:59. > :47:03.we have it and not as we wish it to be. Why do you feel that if you
:47:04. > :47:07.throw him over the side, people will listen to Vince Cable or anybody
:47:08. > :47:16.else? Nobody is suggesting that, but I'd do think `` but one of the great
:47:17. > :47:19.criticisms of the established parties in this election is that
:47:20. > :47:24.they are being confronted with an unorthodox type of politician,
:47:25. > :47:32.someone who'd looks like he is not from the same stable as the rest of
:47:33. > :47:35.them. We have to get our message across because we have a powerful
:47:36. > :47:42.message that should deliver political goals. Reading the
:47:43. > :47:53.comments of the former and he who was saying the Chicago MP, he was
:47:54. > :47:58.saying `` and he, and the other that is part of the problem that, given
:47:59. > :48:05.tuition fees and other decisions, people simply do not trust him
:48:06. > :48:08.anymore? The tuition fees were a tremendous crisis for Nick Clegg and
:48:09. > :48:13.the party and it is a policy that did not work out, but the issue of
:48:14. > :48:19.trust is still lingering on, and we have to accept that that issue is
:48:20. > :48:22.still... I do not know what we can do in the short term, is how we
:48:23. > :48:27.present ourselves in the next general election as a party is of
:48:28. > :48:31.great concern. If we look as though we cannot be trusted be will not get
:48:32. > :48:36.a good result. In terms of debating all of these issues that you raise,
:48:37. > :48:42.openly as a Democratic party, you have had some pretty sharp words
:48:43. > :48:46.directed at Lord Ashdown this morning. Why are you so unhappy? He
:48:47. > :48:52.is suggesting that we just knuckle down and remain calm. We should
:48:53. > :49:00.definitely remain calm, but Ira Pete the point, not to rebuke the `` I
:49:01. > :49:04.repeat the point, that all of the same figures will be involved in the
:49:05. > :49:09.next election, and a think there is scope, opportunity for clear,
:49:10. > :49:15.precise thoughts about where we go next in a collegial way, in a
:49:16. > :49:18.consensual way, without bloodshed, and coming up with a solution that
:49:19. > :49:25.will work better than the solution we had these elections. On that, you
:49:26. > :49:30.were suggesting earlier in your first answer some sort of transition
:49:31. > :49:36.to Vince Cable. Flesh that out, that's the thought process a little
:49:37. > :49:40.more. Iran is going into details about how this might pan out or not
:49:41. > :49:44.pan out now, because there is obviously a lot of discussion that
:49:45. > :49:50.needs to be happened the `` that needs to happen. We do not want a
:49:51. > :49:54.long set of leadership elections. I agree that we do not want
:49:55. > :49:57.aggravation within the party and discord. We need to look at what the
:49:58. > :50:01.evidence is telling us about what will give us the best results, and I
:50:02. > :50:06.am open to arguments here myself, and then go with it, and if I am
:50:07. > :50:10.persuaded that I am wrong, I will happily knuckle down and work very
:50:11. > :50:16.hard in the same way I always intended to for the Liberal
:50:17. > :50:19.Democrats, who ever is the leader. You are there, sitting there in our
:50:20. > :50:24.studios, have you had any conversations with any other MPs?
:50:25. > :50:28.How widespread are the sorts of concerns that you have just
:50:29. > :50:33.articulated amongst other MPs? I think MPs all see the problem but
:50:34. > :50:37.they do not all agree on what exactly is the solution. Some people
:50:38. > :50:41.do exactly what the Lord Ashdown do exactly what the Lord Ashdown
:50:42. > :50:46.says, which is to plow on with plan A, and I think we need to look at
:50:47. > :50:50.plan A, because of until now, pursuing plan A, and I am talking
:50:51. > :50:55.about political strategy, has led to loss and loss of councillors in the
:50:56. > :51:02.ruination of many political careers, and they think the hardy is looking
:51:03. > :51:05.to those of us in Westminster to provide a platform at the next
:51:06. > :51:09.election that is far more satisfactory than what has been
:51:10. > :51:16.provided this election. How deep is that the satisfaction across the
:51:17. > :51:38.grassroots level? In a sense, you run the risk of almost becoming...
:51:39. > :51:43.Do you think if he just continued with no change to the leadership you
:51:44. > :51:50.risk electoral suicide? I am sitting in Merseyside now. A few years ago,
:51:51. > :51:57.the Liberal Democrats were running Liverpool and now they there `` and
:51:58. > :52:00.now there is a very serious problem, particularly for a party
:52:01. > :52:11.that used to represent all parts of the country. We have to come up with
:52:12. > :52:45.a strategy that will take us back to let's have a look at how the results
:52:46. > :52:55.panned out right across Europe. Let's get more from Jeremy. A huge
:52:56. > :53:23.election across 28 countries, but let's look at the dramatic events in
:53:24. > :53:24.in 2009, and Labour pinned back just in 2009, and Labour pinned back just
:53:25. > :53:26.to the north east here. The rest of to the north east here. The rest of
:53:27. > :53:28.all Conservative blue. 12 regions, all Conservative blue. 12 regions,
:53:29. > :53:29.let's mark the map now in the colours that were left by
:53:30. > :53:31.let's look at the dramatic events in the 2014 election, and look at
:53:32. > :53:32.this. For the Northeast, Scottish Nationalist yellow in Scotland, and
:53:33. > :53:33.but the UKIP advance is really quite but the UKIP advance is really quite
:53:34. > :53:35.extraordinary. If I've narrowed down the map and get it to show areas
:53:36. > :53:37.where parties came first by local council, you will see there is a lot
:53:38. > :53:49.of Conservative blue, but where it flashes where the party was first
:53:50. > :53:55.last time was not first ( but so much flashing purple, UKIP have
:53:56. > :54:15.advanced to first place, a truly brilliant night for Nigel Farage's
:54:16. > :54:30.party. UKIP in first place on the 24 members of the European Parliament.
:54:31. > :54:40.The Conservatives had 26 last time and they are down to 19. The Green
:54:41. > :54:53.Party is in fourth place, a good night for them. A catastrophic
:54:54. > :55:21.evening for the Liberal Democrats, who are down to just one, and then
:55:22. > :55:24.we have the nationalists among them. In