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0:00:13 > 0:00:15Hello there and welcome to Wednesday in Parliament.

0:00:15 > 0:00:18Coming up in the next half-hour After seven years in gestathon,

0:00:18 > 0:00:23Sir John Chilcot's report on the war in Iraq is finally published.

0:00:23 > 0:00:31David Cameron sets out the conclusions to MPs.

0:00:31 > 0:00:33Sir John finds that, at crucial points, Mr Blair

0:00:33 > 0:00:34said personal notes

0:00:34 > 0:00:37and made important commitments to Mr Bush that had not been

0:00:37 > 0:00:38discussed or agreed with Cabinet colleagues.

0:00:38 > 0:00:40At Prime Minister's Questions, government's urged to put

0:00:40 > 0:00:42an end to agency Britain.

0:00:42 > 0:00:44And the Health Secretary saxs he'll impose new contracts

0:00:44 > 0:00:46on England's junior doctors after they rejected a deal hammered

0:00:46 > 0:00:50out between the government and the doctors' union.

0:00:50 > 0:00:54An elected government, whose main aim is to improvd

0:00:54 > 0:00:56the safety and quality of care for patients,

0:00:56 > 0:01:00has come up against a union which has stirred up anger

0:01:00 > 0:01:03amongst its own members it hs now unable to pacify.

0:01:03 > 0:01:06But first, it was a day long awaited at Westminster, the publication

0:01:06 > 0:01:10of Sir John Chilcot's report into the Iraq war.

0:01:10 > 0:01:14The inquiry was set up in 2009 to look at the run-up to thd US led

0:01:14 > 0:01:18invasion in 2003 and its aftermath.

0:01:18 > 0:01:22It concluded that the decishon to go to war was made on the basis

0:01:22 > 0:01:24of flawed intelligence and troops were sent in before peaceful

0:01:24 > 0:01:29options had been exhausted.

0:01:29 > 0:01:31Sir John went on to criticise the planning for the period

0:01:31 > 0:01:34after the fall of Saddam Hussein and said many lessons

0:01:34 > 0:01:36could be learnt.

0:01:36 > 0:01:39Sir John said more than 200 British citizens died as a result

0:01:39 > 0:01:42of the conflict in Iraq and at least 150,000 Iraqis had been killed

0:01:42 > 0:01:49by 2009 as a result of the hnvasion and the instability it causdd.

0:01:49 > 0:01:51Outlining the report's findhngs in the Commons, David Cameron began

0:01:51 > 0:01:55with some of the central qudstions.

0:01:55 > 0:01:58Did the UK go to war on a f`lse premise and did Saddam Hussdin had

0:01:58 > 0:02:01weapons of mass destruction?

0:02:01 > 0:02:04David Cameron said the report had found there were some good reasons

0:02:04 > 0:02:06to believe at the time that Saddam Hussein had weapons

0:02:06 > 0:02:08of mass destruction.

0:02:08 > 0:02:10He'd given international we`pons inspectors the runaround for years

0:02:10 > 0:02:14and the report clearly refldcts that the advice given to

0:02:14 > 0:02:16the government by the Intelligence and Policy Community was th`t

0:02:16 > 0:02:19Saddam Hussein did indeed continue to possess and seek

0:02:19 > 0:02:23to develop these capabilitids.

0:02:23 > 0:02:27However, as we now know, by 200 , this long held belief no longer

0:02:27 > 0:02:29reflected the reality.

0:02:29 > 0:02:33Sir John says that, at no stage was the proposition that Ir`q might

0:02:33 > 0:02:36no longer have chemical, biological or nuclear

0:02:36 > 0:02:39weapons or programmes identified and examined,

0:02:39 > 0:02:44either by the JIC or the Policy Community.

0:02:44 > 0:02:47And, as the report notes, the late Robin Cook had shown

0:02:47 > 0:02:49it was possible to come to a different conclusion

0:02:49 > 0:02:53from an examination of the same intelligence.

0:02:53 > 0:02:56Sir John finds no evidence that intelligence was improperly included

0:02:56 > 0:03:00or that Number 10 Mr Blair personally improperly infludnced

0:03:00 > 0:03:04the text of the September 2002 dossier.

0:03:04 > 0:03:06But he does find that the use of joint intelligence committee

0:03:06 > 0:03:10material in public presentation did not make clear

0:03:10 > 0:03:14enough the limitations or the subtleties of assesslents.

0:03:14 > 0:03:17The inquiry had not expressdd the view on whether or not the UK's

0:03:17 > 0:03:21participation in the war was legal.

0:03:21 > 0:03:23Nevertheless, Sir John is hhghly critical of the processes

0:03:23 > 0:03:27by which the legal advice was arrived and discussed.

0:03:27 > 0:03:31He says this, the circumstances in which it was ultimately decided

0:03:31 > 0:03:34that there was a legal basis for UK participation were far

0:03:34 > 0:03:36from satisfactory.

0:03:36 > 0:03:39And I'm sure honourable gentlemen and ladies will want to study that

0:03:39 > 0:03:40part of the report carefullx.

0:03:40 > 0:03:42Sir John also finds that the diplomatic options had not

0:03:42 > 0:03:46at that stage been exhausted and that military action

0:03:46 > 0:03:49was therefore not a last resort

0:03:49 > 0:03:52He turned to the process of decision-making.

0:03:52 > 0:03:55A number of ministers had bden involved but there were specific

0:03:55 > 0:03:57criticisms of the process.

0:03:57 > 0:03:59Sir John finds that, at crucial points, Mr Blair said

0:03:59 > 0:04:03personal notes and made important commitments to Mr Bush that had not

0:04:03 > 0:04:06been discussed or agreed with Cabinet colleagues.

0:04:06 > 0:04:11However, while Sir John makds many criticisms of the process,

0:04:11 > 0:04:13including the way information was handled and presented,

0:04:13 > 0:04:17at no stage to see explicitly say that there was a deliberate attempt

0:04:17 > 0:04:20to mislead people.

0:04:20 > 0:04:23As for after the initial opdration, Sir John had concluded.

0:04:23 > 0:04:25The government, and here I lean officials in the military

0:04:25 > 0:04:29as well as ministers, remain too fixed on assumpthons

0:04:29 > 0:04:32that the Americans had a pl`n, that the UN would play a significant

0:04:32 > 0:04:34role with the international community sharing a burden

0:04:34 > 0:04:38and that the UK role would be over 3-4 months after the

0:04:38 > 0:04:40conflict had ended.

0:04:40 > 0:04:42Sir John concludes that the government's failure to prepare

0:04:42 > 0:04:46properly for the aftermath of the conflict reduced

0:04:46 > 0:04:49the likelihood of achieving the UK's strategic objectives in Irap.

0:04:49 > 0:04:52Overall, Sir John finds that the policy of Her Majesty's

0:04:52 > 0:04:55government fell far short of meeting its strategic objectives

0:04:55 > 0:05:00and helped to create a space for al-Qaeda.

0:05:00 > 0:05:03Mr Speaker, of course the ddcision to go to war came to a vote in this

0:05:03 > 0:05:06House and members on all sides who voted for military action

0:05:06 > 0:05:10will have to take our fair share of the responsibility.

0:05:10 > 0:05:12We cannot turn the clock back.

0:05:12 > 0:05:15Many of the failures in this report were not directly about the conduct

0:05:15 > 0:05:18of Armed Forces as they went into Iraq but rather the fahlures

0:05:18 > 0:05:21of planning before a shot w`s fired.

0:05:21 > 0:05:24Jeremy Corbyn said the invasion of Iraq was the most signifhcant

0:05:24 > 0:05:28decision taken by the British government in modern times.

0:05:28 > 0:05:32It divided this House and sdt the government of the day

0:05:32 > 0:05:36against a majority of the British people as well as against

0:05:36 > 0:05:38the weight of global opinion.

0:05:38 > 0:05:41The war was not, in any way, as Sir John Chilcot

0:05:41 > 0:05:44says, a last resort.

0:05:44 > 0:05:47Frankly, it was an act of mhlitary aggression launched on a false

0:05:47 > 0:05:51pretext, as the inquiry accdpts and has long been regarded

0:05:51 > 0:05:54as illegal by the overwhelmhng weight of international

0:05:54 > 0:05:57legal opinion.

0:05:57 > 0:06:02The decision to invade Iraq in 003, on the basis of what the Chhlcot

0:06:02 > 0:06:06report calls flawed intelligence about weapons of mass

0:06:06 > 0:06:10destruction, has had a far-reaching impact on us all

0:06:10 > 0:06:14It's led to a fundamental breakdown in trust in politics and in our

0:06:14 > 0:06:17institutions of government.

0:06:17 > 0:06:20The tragedy is that, while the governing class got it

0:06:20 > 0:06:23so horrifically wrong, many of our people

0:06:23 > 0:06:27actually got it right.

0:06:27 > 0:06:33Many, on the 15th of February 2 03, 1.5 million, spanning

0:06:33 > 0:06:38the entire political spectrtm, and tens of millions of othdr people

0:06:38 > 0:06:42across the world, marched against the impending war -

0:06:42 > 0:06:46the biggest ever demonstrathon in British history.

0:06:46 > 0:06:50Quite bluntly, Mr Speaker, there are huge lessons for dvery

0:06:50 > 0:06:51single one of us here today.

0:06:51 > 0:06:54We make decisions that have consequences that do not just go

0:06:54 > 0:06:56on for the immediate years.

0:06:56 > 0:06:59They go on for decades and decades afterwards.

0:06:59 > 0:07:04We need to reflect very serhously before we take any decisions again

0:07:04 > 0:07:07to take military action without realising the consepuences

0:07:07 > 0:07:11of those will live with all of us for many decades to come and have

0:07:11 > 0:07:15often incalculable consequences as a result.

0:07:15 > 0:07:19The SNP leader at Westminstdr was equally damning.

0:07:19 > 0:07:22The lack of planning has also been evident

0:07:22 > 0:07:28since in relation to Afghanhstan, to Libya, to Syria and, most

0:07:28 > 0:07:35recently, with absolutely no plan whatsoever in regards to Brdxit

0:07:35 > 0:07:39So when will UK governments of either Tory or Labour hud

0:07:39 > 0:07:42actually start learning from the mistakes of

0:07:42 > 0:07:46the past so we are not condemned to repeat them?

0:07:46 > 0:07:48I hope and I expect that, in the months ahead,

0:07:48 > 0:07:52there will be the opportunity to hold to account those

0:07:52 > 0:07:57who are associated and responsible with taking the UK the war hn Iraq

0:07:57 > 0:08:03that has only caused hundreds of thousands of deaths.

0:08:03 > 0:08:04Not just that.

0:08:04 > 0:08:07It has undermined people's faith in Parliament and government

0:08:07 > 0:08:10in the UK and left an indelhble stain on Britain's

0:08:10 > 0:08:12standing in the world.

0:08:12 > 0:08:15Angus Robertson.

0:08:15 > 0:08:17The Lib Dem leader turned to the role of his predecessor,

0:08:17 > 0:08:21Charles Kennedy, who led much of the opposition to the invasion.

0:08:21 > 0:08:23So will the Prime Minister now take the opportunity,

0:08:23 > 0:08:26on behalf of his party and this House, to acknowledge that

0:08:26 > 0:08:29Charles Kennedy was right all along in leading the opposition

0:08:29 > 0:08:33across this country against the counter-producthve war?

0:08:33 > 0:08:37And should not those who accused Charles Kennedy of appeasemdnt,

0:08:37 > 0:08:40some of whom are still on these benches today, apologised

0:08:40 > 0:08:43to him, to his family, to our service men and women,

0:08:43 > 0:08:46to our country and to the people of Iraq?

0:08:46 > 0:08:50People who voted for the war, like me, have to take their share

0:08:50 > 0:08:51of responsibility.

0:08:51 > 0:08:52That's important.

0:08:52 > 0:08:54But I don't think it's right to accuse people who voted

0:08:54 > 0:08:55against of appeasement.

0:08:55 > 0:08:57But deep divisions after thd war remained.

0:08:57 > 0:09:00Each of us in Cabinet or in this House are responsible

0:09:00 > 0:09:04and should take responsibilhty for our own individual decisions,

0:09:04 > 0:09:10albeit taken in good faith on the basis of evidence before us.

0:09:10 > 0:09:14But equally, does he agree that the men of hatred and death

0:09:14 > 0:09:17in al-Qaeda and Daesh/Isil should take responsibility

0:09:17 > 0:09:23for their actions and for the blood and honour they inflict on others?

0:09:23 > 0:09:29The horrors of Saddam Hussehn, what he did to his own people were

0:09:29 > 0:09:32clearly documented and I thhnk we were right to take part hn that

0:09:32 > 0:09:35invasion.

0:09:35 > 0:09:38The main element in that debate which is the debate upon

0:09:38 > 0:09:43which parliament decided on 13th March 2003, wasn't the 45-mhnute

0:09:43 > 0:09:50claim, which wasn't mentiondd anywhere in those hours of debate.

0:09:50 > 0:09:56It was the fact that Saddam Hussein and his murderous sons had spent 13

0:09:56 > 0:10:01years running rings around the United Nations, ignoring 17 UN

0:10:01 > 0:10:05resolutions, including resolutions calling

0:10:05 > 0:10:07for all necessary means to

0:10:07 > 0:10:11stop him.

0:10:11 > 0:10:13Wasn't that the main issue in that debate?

0:10:13 > 0:10:15And has the Prime Minister found any evidence

0:10:15 > 0:10:20whatsoever of any lies told to parliament on that day?

0:10:20 > 0:10:23I can't see in here an accusation of

0:10:23 > 0:10:26deliberately deceiving people but there is

0:10:26 > 0:10:28certainly information that

0:10:28 > 0:10:32wasn't properly presented, different justifications given before and

0:10:32 > 0:10:36subsequently for the action that was taken and a number of other

0:10:36 > 0:10:39criticisms about processes but deliberate deceit, I can't find a

0:10:39 > 0:10:41reference to it.

0:10:41 > 0:10:44Sir John has been very careful about avoiding accusing

0:10:44 > 0:10:47the previous Prime Minister of lying to the House but a lot of the

0:10:47 > 0:10:49evidence here suggests he dhd.

0:10:49 > 0:10:52What action can this House take in dealing with that?

0:10:52 > 0:10:54I now have to listen and wrdstle with my own

0:10:54 > 0:10:57conscience and shame on me, the then Prime Minister must wrestle

0:10:57 > 0:10:59with his own conscience.

0:10:59 > 0:11:03Will my right honourable friend agree with me that

0:11:03 > 0:11:08the then Prime Minister must take full responsibility for encouraging

0:11:08 > 0:11:12this House to take the decision that it did with disastrous consdquences

0:11:12 > 0:11:16in destabilising the world?

0:11:16 > 0:11:20Amid all this stuff about ilproving processes, which is fantasthcally

0:11:20 > 0:11:23important and I acknowledge it, is it not at the end of the dax people

0:11:23 > 0:11:26that make decisions?

0:11:26 > 0:11:27And in our search for responsibility wouldn't

0:11:27 > 0:11:32it help if individuals responsible were held accountable?

0:11:32 > 0:11:36Given this, the undermining of the UN and the disastrous and horrible

0:11:36 > 0:11:41consequences, is it not inconceivable that MrBlair should be

0:11:41 > 0:11:44held to account for his acthons

0:11:44 > 0:11:48This is not a day for soundbites but does the Prime Minister not agree

0:11:48 > 0:11:53that the hand of history should be feeling somebody's collar?

0:11:53 > 0:11:56I don't think it is a grey wash or a white

0:11:56 > 0:11:58wash or anything else wash, I think this from

0:11:58 > 0:12:00what I have seen so far is

0:12:00 > 0:12:02a thorough effort at trying to understand

0:12:02 > 0:12:04that the narrative of the

0:12:04 > 0:12:09events, the decisions that were taken and the mistakes that were

0:12:09 > 0:12:12made, and I think there's a huge amount to learn and I think everyone

0:12:12 > 0:12:18who has played a part in it has to take their responsibilitx for it.

0:12:18 > 0:12:21One of the greatest scandals out of this whole episode is, of course,

0:12:21 > 0:12:23the lack of resources for our troops sent

0:12:23 > 0:12:26in to battle without the

0:12:26 > 0:12:30equipment that they needed `nd this must never be allowed to happen

0:12:30 > 0:12:31again.

0:12:31 > 0:12:34Parts of the Ministry of Defence, including the chiefs of staff,

0:12:34 > 0:12:37were not delivering the advhce that the Government needed

0:12:37 > 0:12:41and elements of the Foreign Office had succumbed to a form of group

0:12:41 > 0:12:44think that leaves me deeply concerned as to the structure

0:12:44 > 0:12:47and advice governments can get.

0:12:47 > 0:12:50Whatever we think about the judgment that was made, we should acknowledge

0:12:50 > 0:12:52that the bond of trust between the Government,

0:12:52 > 0:12:56this House and the public h`s been damaged by the decision

0:12:56 > 0:12:59that was taken in 2003.

0:12:59 > 0:13:03And we here in this place today now have an absolute need to put that

0:13:03 > 0:13:06right for the future.

0:13:06 > 0:13:08The Prime Minister should bd prepared to accept a mistakd,

0:13:08 > 0:13:10a Government should be prep`red to accept a mistake

0:13:10 > 0:13:14and a parliament should be prepared to accept a mistake.

0:13:14 > 0:13:17If this House today does not accept that the invasion of Iraq

0:13:17 > 0:13:19was a disastrous mistake thdn we have learned nothing

0:13:19 > 0:13:21whatsoever from this.

0:13:21 > 0:13:23My responsibility is to handle the publication of this,

0:13:23 > 0:13:26to draw out the lessons, which I think I have

0:13:26 > 0:13:29done, and to let others who were responsible at the time

0:13:29 > 0:13:32account for themselves.

0:13:32 > 0:13:34You're watching Wednesday In Parliament with me, Alicha

0:13:34 > 0:13:37McCarthy.

0:13:40 > 0:13:42Jeremy Corbyn has demanded the government puts an end to what

0:13:42 > 0:13:45he called Agency Britain and helps communities which feel left behind.

0:13:45 > 0:13:49At Prime Minister's Questions, the Labour

0:13:49 > 0:13:51leader claimed the North was

0:13:51 > 0:13:54being neglected in favour of investment in the South.

0:13:54 > 0:13:56But David Cameron attacked Labour's opposition

0:13:56 > 0:13:59to the economic choices which had to be made.

0:13:59 > 0:14:02The Labour leader began with a specific case he wanted to

0:14:02 > 0:14:10raise.

0:14:10 > 0:14:1230 years ago, Mr Speaker, the Shirebrook Colliery employed

0:14:12 > 0:14:14thousands of workers in skilled well-paid, unionised

0:14:14 > 0:14:15jobs digging coal.

0:14:15 > 0:14:19Today, thousands of people work on the same site - the vast majority

0:14:19 > 0:14:22on zero hours contracts, no union recognition,

0:14:22 > 0:14:27where the minimum wage isn't even paid.

0:14:27 > 0:14:31Doesn't Shirebrook sum up Agency Britain?

0:14:31 > 0:14:34On the issue of what has happened in our coalfield communities to see

0:14:34 > 0:14:39new jobs and new investment come, we have made sure that therd is not

0:14:39 > 0:14:42only now a minimum wage but now a national living wage.

0:14:42 > 0:14:47And yes, he talks about one colliery.

0:14:47 > 0:14:50I very recently visited the site of the Grimethorpe Colliery where,

0:14:50 > 0:14:54actually, there is now one business there -

0:14:54 > 0:14:57Asos, I think - now employing almost 5000 people.

0:14:57 > 0:15:01So we are never going to succeed as a country if we try to hold

0:15:01 > 0:15:03onto jobs of industries that have become uncompetitive.

0:15:03 > 0:15:05We've got to invest in the industries of the future

0:15:05 > 0:15:07and that's what this government is doing.

0:15:07 > 0:15:09Jeremy Corbyn said the problem was that, for people

0:15:09 > 0:15:12on zero hours contracts, their earnings did not add tp

0:15:12 > 0:15:14to a weekly living wage.

0:15:14 > 0:15:18He moved on to the Chancellor's decision to end his plan

0:15:18 > 0:15:21for a budget surplus by the end of this Parliament.

0:15:21 > 0:15:24The Chancellor finally did this week what the Shadow Chancellor `sked him

0:15:24 > 0:15:27to do in the Autumn Statement and what I asked the Prime Linister

0:15:27 > 0:15:30to do last week, and abandoned a key part of the fiscal rule.

0:15:30 > 0:15:36We now know the deficit was supposed to vanish by 2015,

0:15:36 > 0:15:38won't even be gone by 2020.

0:15:38 > 0:15:42Isn't it time to admit that austerity is a failure and the way

0:15:42 > 0:15:47forward is to invest in infrastructure, invest

0:15:47 > 0:15:49in growth and invest in jobs?

0:15:49 > 0:15:51Prime Minister.

0:15:51 > 0:15:53What he says is simply not the case.

0:15:53 > 0:15:56The rules we set out always had flexibilities in case growth did not

0:15:56 > 0:15:58turn out the way...

0:15:58 > 0:16:01But the point I'd make to hhm, I would take his advice mord

0:16:01 > 0:16:04seriously if I could think of a single spending reducthon

0:16:04 > 0:16:08that he had supported at anx time in the last six years.

0:16:08 > 0:16:11The fact is, this government and the last one, the Coalition

0:16:11 > 0:16:14Government, had to take difficult decisions to get our

0:16:14 > 0:16:17deficit under control.

0:16:17 > 0:16:20It's gone from 11% of GDP that we inherited, the biggdst

0:16:20 > 0:16:22almost in the entire world, to under 3% this year.

0:16:22 > 0:16:25That's because of difficult decisions.

0:16:25 > 0:16:29The Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills has stated

0:16:29 > 0:16:32he wants the UK to borrow tdns of billions of pounds to crdate

0:16:32 > 0:16:34a Growing Britain fund worth up to ?100 billion.

0:16:34 > 0:16:38Can I ask the PM whether thhs is a formal plan or whether this

0:16:38 > 0:16:41is merely an attempt to conjure up a plan amid a leadership vacuum

0:16:41 > 0:16:43of the UK Government?

0:16:43 > 0:16:46Clearly, my colleagues, during a leadership election,

0:16:46 > 0:16:49and at least on this side of the House we actually having

0:16:49 > 0:16:52a leadership election rather than the never-ending...

0:16:52 > 0:16:54I thought you wanted one!

0:16:54 > 0:16:56You don't want one?

0:16:56 > 0:17:01Hands up who wants a leadership election!

0:17:01 > 0:17:03Oh, they don't want a leadership election?

0:17:03 > 0:17:07I'm so confused.

0:17:07 > 0:17:10One minute it's like the Eagle is going to swoop, and the next

0:17:10 > 0:17:13minute, it's Eddie the Eagld at the top of the ski jump,

0:17:13 > 0:17:15not knowing whether to go or not!

0:17:15 > 0:17:17Anyway, in case you hadn't noticed, we are having

0:17:17 > 0:17:18a leadership election!

0:17:18 > 0:17:21David Cameron.

0:17:21 > 0:17:24The Health Secretary, Jeremx Hunt, has said the government will impose

0:17:24 > 0:17:27a new contract on junior doctors in England.

0:17:27 > 0:17:30It follows a decision of junior doctors and medical students

0:17:30 > 0:17:34to reject the latest deal in a ballot by 58% to 42%.

0:17:34 > 0:17:38Soon after that result was announced, the chairman

0:17:38 > 0:17:43of the British Medical Association Junior Doctors Committee resigned.

0:17:43 > 0:17:47Jeremy Hunt told MPs the new deal had won the support of the lajority

0:17:47 > 0:17:50of the Royal Colleges in the health service.

0:17:50 > 0:17:53Unfortunately, because of the votes, we are now left in a no man's land

0:17:53 > 0:17:56that, if it continues, can only damage the NHS.

0:17:56 > 0:18:00An elected government, whose main aim is to improvd

0:18:00 > 0:18:04the safety and quality of care for patients,

0:18:04 > 0:18:07has come up against a union which has stirred up anger

0:18:07 > 0:18:11amongst its own members it is now unable to pacify.

0:18:11 > 0:18:15Mr Hunt said there was no one from the BMA side able to ldad any

0:18:15 > 0:18:18further negotiations.

0:18:18 > 0:18:21I have come at this morning, decided that the only realistic way

0:18:21 > 0:18:25to end this impasse is to proceed with the phased introduction

0:18:25 > 0:18:28of the exact contract that was negotiated,

0:18:28 > 0:18:33agreed and supported by the BMA leadership.

0:18:33 > 0:18:37So it will be introduced from October this year for lore

0:18:37 > 0:18:41senior obstetrics trainees, then in November and Decembdr

0:18:41 > 0:18:44for Foundation Year 1 doctors taking up new posts and Foundation Year 2

0:18:44 > 0:18:47doctors on the same rotas as their current contract expires.

0:18:47 > 0:18:50Protracted uncertainty, at precisely the time we gr`pple

0:18:50 > 0:18:54with the enormous consequences of leaving the EU, can only be

0:18:54 > 0:18:57damaging for those working in the NHS and on the patients

0:18:57 > 0:19:01who depend on it.

0:19:01 > 0:19:05At this time of general instability, I would urge the government

0:19:05 > 0:19:09to reconsider imposing this contract at all.

0:19:09 > 0:19:12It has not helped for the government to treat junior doctors

0:19:12 > 0:19:15like the enemy within.

0:19:15 > 0:19:19It has not helped their mor`le to imply, at one time,

0:19:19 > 0:19:23that the only barrier to a seven-day NHS is their reluctance to work

0:19:23 > 0:19:26weekends when so many of thdm are already working unsocial hours,

0:19:26 > 0:19:30sacrificing family life in the process.

0:19:30 > 0:19:35Public opinion is not on the government's side.

0:19:35 > 0:19:41It is evident that the publhc will have faith in its doctors long

0:19:41 > 0:19:44after they have lost faith hn this or any other government.

0:19:44 > 0:19:48It is not too late to changd course.

0:19:48 > 0:19:50I, too, am disappointed at the outcome of the ballot

0:19:50 > 0:19:54yesterday, and I think it h`s to be recognised that this

0:19:54 > 0:19:57reflects a real desperation among junior doctors,

0:19:57 > 0:20:00a real unhappiness.

0:20:00 > 0:20:03They are dealing with incre`sed demand, they are dealing

0:20:03 > 0:20:05with increased pressure and they have felt that, at times,

0:20:05 > 0:20:08the tone of the negotiations has left a lot to be desired.

0:20:08 > 0:20:12The threat of imposition was there from the start and they felt

0:20:12 > 0:20:15that hanging over them.

0:20:15 > 0:20:17The former mayor of London, Boris Johnson, has spoken

0:20:17 > 0:20:20in the Commons for the first time since the EU referendum.

0:20:20 > 0:20:22A prominent figure in the Ldave campaign, he had been one

0:20:22 > 0:20:25of the favourites to replacd David Cameron as Conservative

0:20:25 > 0:20:28leader and Prime Minister, but things changed dramatic`lly

0:20:28 > 0:20:31when fellow Leave campaign Michael Gove cast doubt

0:20:31 > 0:20:34on his suitability.

0:20:34 > 0:20:38Boris Johnson spoke in a debate initiated by Labour about the fate

0:20:38 > 0:20:42of EU nationals living and working in the UK.

0:20:42 > 0:20:45The motion in front of MPs said the British government should

0:20:45 > 0:20:49guarantee that anyone from an EU country should bd

0:20:49 > 0:20:52allowed to stay in the UK.

0:20:52 > 0:20:56I think it is absolutely right to issue the strongest posshble

0:20:56 > 0:20:59reassurance to EU nationals in this country, not just for moral

0:20:59 > 0:21:04or humanitarian reasons but for very sound economic reasons as wdll.

0:21:04 > 0:21:08They are welcome, they are necessary, they are a vital part

0:21:08 > 0:21:11of our society and I will bd passionately supporting

0:21:11 > 0:21:13this motion tonight.

0:21:13 > 0:21:17The Shadow Home Secretary urged other MPs to back Labour's lotion.

0:21:17 > 0:21:20We can send a message out from this Parliament today to Europe

0:21:20 > 0:21:23and the rest of the world.

0:21:23 > 0:21:26Yes, people have expressed frustrations about the EU

0:21:26 > 0:21:29but our country and its people have not changed.

0:21:29 > 0:21:32We are still that same placd that has been renowned the world over

0:21:32 > 0:21:37for doing the fair and right thing, for doing the decent thing.

0:21:37 > 0:21:40Amidst all the chaos in our politics, let's take a step

0:21:40 > 0:21:44back today toward sanity and stability and pass this

0:21:44 > 0:21:48motion overwhelmingly.

0:21:48 > 0:21:51EU nationals can have our ftll and unreserved reassurance

0:21:51 > 0:21:54that their right to enter, work, study and live

0:21:54 > 0:21:57in the UK remains unchanged.

0:21:57 > 0:22:00We value the tremendous contribution they are making every day in towns,

0:22:00 > 0:22:02cities and villages up and down the country.

0:22:02 > 0:22:06We fully expect that the legal status of EU nationals living

0:22:06 > 0:22:09in the UK and that of UK nationals in EU states will be

0:22:09 > 0:22:13properly protected.

0:22:13 > 0:22:18Given that both the UK and DU wants to maintain a close relationship,

0:22:18 > 0:22:22we are confident that we will work together and that both EU and

0:22:22 > 0:22:28British citizens will be protected through reciprocal arrangemdnts

0:22:28 > 0:22:30The ayes to the right, 245.

0:22:30 > 0:22:32The noes to the left, two.

0:22:32 > 0:22:35And when it came to the votd, MPs backed Labour's motion rejecting

0:22:35 > 0:22:38the use of EU nationals as bargaining chips and calling

0:22:38 > 0:22:41on the government to give ET nationals currently living hn the UK

0:22:41 > 0:22:44the right to remain.

0:22:44 > 0:22:48The result, however, isn't binding on the governlent

0:22:48 > 0:22:52Now, let's go back to the Chilcot report which was repeated l`ter

0:22:52 > 0:22:54in the day in the House of Lords.

0:22:54 > 0:22:57Does the noble Earl, the minister, not agree

0:22:57 > 0:23:00that the duty of a military man is to fight for his country,

0:23:00 > 0:23:04and whatever he has been told to do in terms of fighting

0:23:04 > 0:23:08for his country, and that the people who were involved in Iraq dhd

0:23:08 > 0:23:11that to their very core and their families and friends

0:23:11 > 0:23:14should be very proud of thel for doing their duty?

0:23:14 > 0:23:18And often, in history, our service people have fought

0:23:18 > 0:23:21in wars that one may think, well, why on earth did that happen?

0:23:21 > 0:23:24That is not the point in terms of them and their behaviour,

0:23:24 > 0:23:28and it is very important, I think, for their families,

0:23:28 > 0:23:30friends and everyone to realise they did their duty,

0:23:30 > 0:23:38they did it well and these are the issues, in a sense, yes

0:23:38 > 0:23:41they are important but they don t have any stain on those

0:23:41 > 0:23:42people involved.

0:23:42 > 0:23:45Mr Blair and his colleagues were not actuated by it noble motives.

0:23:49 > 0:23:52Mr Blair and his colleagues were not actuated by ignoble motives.

0:23:52 > 0:23:54Rather, they were seeking to sustain the national interest.

0:23:54 > 0:23:57And I say that as one who w`s not misled by what happened.

0:23:57 > 0:23:58I voted against the Iraq war.

0:23:58 > 0:24:02I'm glad to say that I playdd a part in drafting the motion against it.

0:24:02 > 0:24:05I also had a motion on the order paper in the Other House,

0:24:05 > 0:24:07calling for Mr Blair to be called to account

0:24:07 > 0:24:08if necessary by impeachment.

0:24:08 > 0:24:11But that said, is it not right that we should temper our criticisms

0:24:11 > 0:24:14by bearing in mind that Mr Blair and his colleagues were seeking

0:24:14 > 0:24:16to serve the national interdst and were not motivated

0:24:17 > 0:24:18by noble motives?

0:24:18 > 0:24:21The Lords also heard from mdmbers of Tony Blair's Cabinet at the time,

0:24:21 > 0:24:23one reflecting on the attempts to get a second resolution

0:24:23 > 0:24:24at the United Nations.

0:24:24 > 0:24:27Would it not be perverse in the extreme if we were not able,

0:24:27 > 0:24:32in future, to be able to john with our allies because our action

0:24:32 > 0:24:35was vetoed by Vladimir Putin at a moment when he himself

0:24:35 > 0:24:37is bombing civilians in Syrha without any process or authorisation

0:24:37 > 0:24:45sought by this government and the previous government?

0:24:45 > 0:24:49Will he perhaps join me in recognising three certainties

0:24:49 > 0:24:57that have emerged from his report - first that there was no

0:24:57 > 0:25:03falsification of the intellhgence, second that the Cabinet was not

0:25:03 > 0:25:05deceived and third but therd was no undisclosed plan

0:25:05 > 0:25:09between the Prime Minister and the President of

0:25:09 > 0:25:12the United States to go to war before the processes

0:25:12 > 0:25:22of government were invoked?

0:25:22 > 0:25:23I welcome the report.

0:25:23 > 0:25:25I will study it carefully.

0:25:25 > 0:25:26We will learn the lessons.

0:25:26 > 0:25:30But at the end of the day, it is elected ministers who must

0:25:30 > 0:25:34exercise the judgment on sole of these questions.

0:25:34 > 0:25:35John Reid.

0:25:35 > 0:25:39And that's it for now but do join me at the same time tomorrow when MPs

0:25:39 > 0:25:42ask environment questions and debate online abuse while the Lords asked

0:25:42 > 0:25:45questions about televising the Paralympic Games.

0:25:45 > 0:25:52But until then, from me, Alicia McCarthy, goodbye.