:00:10. > :00:16.This is Wednesday in Parliament, our look at the day at Westminster.
:00:17. > :00:19.On the programme, the Government unveils proposals to help combat
:00:20. > :00:32.It will give the men and women of hours security and intelligence
:00:33. > :00:38.agencies and our law enforcement agencies who do so much to keep a
:00:39. > :00:41.safe and secure the powers they need to protect our country.
:00:42. > :00:44.The Prime Minister tackles questions on tax credit cuts and the NHS
:00:45. > :00:53.We suffered a defeat in the House of Lords, so we have taken the tax
:00:54. > :00:56.credit proposals are away and are looking at them.
:00:57. > :01:00.And MPs expressed concern about the future of policing.
:01:01. > :01:05.I believe this government is about to cause serious damage to our
:01:06. > :01:10.police service. But first, the Government has
:01:11. > :01:12.unveiled its latest proposals to help the police and security
:01:13. > :01:14.services tackle criminal and terrorist activity
:01:15. > :01:15.online. The draft Investigatory Powers Bill
:01:16. > :01:17.contains more safeguards, after a previous attempt to update
:01:18. > :01:20.the law in 2012 was dubbed who argued it was too intrusive
:01:21. > :01:24.and had to be abandoned. The Home Secretary said law
:01:25. > :01:25.enforcement and intelligence gathering had become a lot more
:01:26. > :01:46.difficult in the digital age. It is right, therefore, that those
:01:47. > :01:49.who are charged with protecting us should have the powers they need to
:01:50. > :01:52.do so, but it is the role of Government and Parliament to ensure
:01:53. > :01:55.that there are limits to those powers. Let me be clear: the draft
:01:56. > :01:58.Bill we are publishing today is not a return to the draft communications
:01:59. > :02:01.data Bill of 2012. It will not include powers to force UK companies
:02:02. > :02:04.to capture and retain third party internet traffic from companies
:02:05. > :02:07.based overseas; it will not compel overseas communications service
:02:08. > :02:09.providers to meet our domestic retention obligations for
:02:10. > :02:11.communications data; and it will not ban encryption or do anything to
:02:12. > :02:13.undermine the security of people's The Home Secretary said law
:02:14. > :02:16.enforcement agencies would not have access to people's full internet
:02:17. > :02:18.browsing history, and an internet connection record
:02:19. > :02:20.would only demonstrate which social media sites
:02:21. > :02:21.had been accessed. And for communications to be
:02:22. > :02:24.intercepted, there would need to be a warrant from the Home Secretary
:02:25. > :03:10.formally approved by a judge. It will provide safeguarding
:03:11. > :03:13.powers. It will give the men and women of our intelligence agencies
:03:14. > :03:17.and our line force and agencies who do so much to keep us safe and
:03:18. > :03:38.secure the powers they need to protect our country.
:03:39. > :03:41.The issues the proposed legislation seeks to tackle go way beyond party
:03:42. > :03:44.politics. Any Government will face a difficult task in balancing the
:03:45. > :03:46.security of the nation with the privacy and liberties of individual
:03:47. > :03:50.citizens. As someone who was in the Home Office on 7/7, I know that that
:03:51. > :03:53.challenge has got harder in recent years. We will examine carefully the
:03:54. > :03:56.detail of the draft Bill and seek to improve the safeguards to build
:03:57. > :03:58.trust. Having listened carefully to what the Home Secretary has said
:03:59. > :04:01.today, I believe that she has responded to legitimate concerns and
:04:02. > :04:04.broadly got that difficult balance right.
:04:05. > :04:07.Her last Bill on this fraught but important subject hit the buffers.
:04:08. > :04:10.The current Bill is a much improved model, although I have the feeling
:04:11. > :04:13.that, under the bonnet, it retains some of the flaws of its
:04:14. > :04:16.predecessor. The Home Office has clearly put in a lot of work, which
:04:17. > :04:19.I welcome, as I do the dropping of some of the key provisions on
:04:20. > :04:35.We are concerned that a hybrid system-involving both political and
:04:36. > :04:37.judicial authorisation-might add an unnecessary layer of bureaucracy and
:04:38. > :04:40.lead to error and delay in urgent situations. Can she give us any
:04:41. > :05:05.We have every confidence that the process will not add greater
:05:06. > :05:07.bureaucracy, but will add the necessary independent judicial
:05:08. > :05:09.authorisation. In emergency warrant cases, the Secretary of State will
:05:10. > :05:12.be able to authorise a warrant immediately, but that will be
:05:13. > :05:15.followed by a speedy review by the judge to ensure there is still
:05:16. > :05:30.However much we all agree that action is necessary to combat
:05:31. > :05:33.terrorism and other forms of criminality, I remain concerned,
:05:34. > :05:36.even if I am one of only a few who do, about the excessive powers that
:05:37. > :05:39.will be given to the security authorities in addition to what they
:05:40. > :05:42.already have, although judicial involvement is better than no
:05:43. > :05:44.The Home Secretary said the bill strengthens safeguards.
:05:45. > :05:47.The bill is still in draft form and can be amended,
:05:48. > :05:48.even before it begins its journey through Parliament.
:05:49. > :05:51.At PMQs this week, both the Prime Minister and the Labour Leader
:05:52. > :05:54.began their stint at the dispatch box by marking Remembrance Sunday,
:05:55. > :05:56.paying tribute to those who lost their lives in conflict.
:05:57. > :06:00.Last week, Labour Leader Jeremy Corbyn used all of his allotted
:06:01. > :06:09.Last week I asked him the same question six times. Now he has had a
:06:10. > :06:17.week to think about it. Canny guarantee that next April nobody
:06:18. > :06:24.will be worse off as a result of cuts to working tax credits. Let me
:06:25. > :06:29.be clear. There lobby and 11,000 personal allowance, so you can earn
:06:30. > :06:36.?11,000 before you pay tax. There will be a national living wage of ?7
:06:37. > :06:43.20, giving the lowest paid in our country at ?20 per week pay rise. We
:06:44. > :06:47.suffered the defeat in the House of Lords, so we have taken the
:06:48. > :06:52.proposals away, we're looking at them, we will come forward with new
:06:53. > :06:53.proposals in the Autumn Statement. At that point in three weeks' time I
:06:54. > :06:57.will be able to answer his question. The Prime Minister said that if
:06:58. > :07:00.the Labour Leader wanted to ask the he was sure he would find that
:07:01. > :07:11.very entertaining and interesting. This isn't about entertainment, Mr
:07:12. > :07:16.Speaker. A serving soldier, a private in the Army with two
:07:17. > :07:21.children and a partner with us over ?2000 next April. I ask a question,
:07:22. > :07:28.surely that is the whole point of our Parliament, that we are able to
:07:29. > :07:41.put questions to those in authority? So I have a question from Kieran, a
:07:42. > :07:45.veteran of the first Gulf War. His family are set to lose out. He
:07:46. > :07:48.writes, it is a worry to the family, this fear and trepidation,
:07:49. > :07:55.about whether we are going to be able to get by. Is this how the
:07:56. > :07:59.government treats veterans of the armed services? All soldiers will
:08:00. > :08:04.benefit from the ?11,000 personal allowance, so they will be able to
:08:05. > :08:08.earn more money before they even start paying tax. What I say to the
:08:09. > :08:13.serving soldier is that he is now dealing with an opposition party the
:08:14. > :08:17.leader of which said he couldn't see any use for UK forces anywhere in
:08:18. > :08:21.the world at any time. That serving soldier wouldn't have a job if the
:08:22. > :08:29.honourable gentleman ever got anywhere near power. We remember all
:08:30. > :08:35.sacrifices from the past and present conflict. We sure our respect to
:08:36. > :08:38.service men and women and their families. Many service widows
:08:39. > :08:42.continue to be deprived of their forces pensions if there is a change
:08:43. > :08:46.in their personal circumstances. Does he agree this is a clear breach
:08:47. > :08:55.in the spirit of the military covenant? We made a big change last
:08:56. > :08:59.who had remarried were able to get who had remarried were able to get
:09:00. > :09:03.their pensions. That was a big step forward, welcomed by the British
:09:04. > :09:09.Legion. If there are further steps we need to look at, I am happy to
:09:10. > :09:13.look at them and see what can be done.
:09:14. > :09:14.The Prime Minister answering SNP's
:09:15. > :09:19.Did he use all the questions on the issue of tax credits?
:09:20. > :09:22.No, he moved on to ask the prime about the NHS.
:09:23. > :09:30.I quote Doctor Clive Mantle, the president of the Royal College of
:09:31. > :09:35.emergency medicine, who said this winter will be worse than last
:09:36. > :09:42.winter. Last winter was the worst winter we have ever had in the NHS.
:09:43. > :09:43.Can the Prime Minister guarantee there will be no winter crisis in
:09:44. > :09:46.the NHS this year? Jeremy Corbyn began
:09:47. > :09:48.his questions saying he was awaiting details on the proposals for pay
:09:49. > :09:58.for junior doctors. When it comes to the Royal College
:09:59. > :10:06.of Emergency Medicine, the support what we're saying a 7 day NHS and
:10:07. > :10:12.the junior doctor. I would urge all junior doctors who are watching this
:10:13. > :10:15.to go on the Department of Health website and look at the pay
:10:16. > :10:18.calculator, because they will be able to see there that no one
:10:19. > :10:27.working legal hours will lose out in any way at all. This is only 11%
:10:28. > :10:34.basic pay rise and pottable deliver is a stronger and safer NHS.
:10:35. > :10:37.As for the state of our NHS more generally, it is benefiting from the
:10:38. > :10:40.?10 billion that we are putting in-money that the Labour party at
:10:41. > :10:44.the last election said it did not support. I believe the NHS has the
:10:45. > :10:47.resources that it needs, and that is why we are seeing it treating more
:10:48. > :10:50.patients, with more treatments, more drugs being delivered and more tests
:10:51. > :10:53.being carried out. It is a much stronger NHS, and the reason is
:10:54. > :10:54.You are watching Wednesday in Parliament.
:10:55. > :10:57.The Home Secretary announces ways to tackle online crime
:10:58. > :11:00.Still to come... There is no place like home.
:11:01. > :11:02.Could prefab buildings provide the houses of the future?
:11:03. > :11:04.Now, when are three runways quieter than two?
:11:05. > :11:07.A committee of MPs found the answer when they met
:11:08. > :11:08.Heathrow Airport bosses and Sir Howard Davies,
:11:09. > :11:18.the man who chaired the commission which backed the idea of building
:11:19. > :11:21.a new third runway at Heathrow. Sir Howard was giving evidence
:11:22. > :11:23.to the Environmental Audit Committee, when Labour's
:11:24. > :11:25.Geraint Davies posed the question, how could a third runway
:11:26. > :11:30.On some noise measures, a new three-runway airport would,
:11:31. > :11:32.in fact, be less irritating than an existing two-runway
:11:33. > :11:34.airport, partly because of the different configuration
:11:35. > :11:37.of the flights. You could put them further to the north and over-flying
:11:38. > :11:40.fewer people. You have got flights coming in at a higher level.
:11:41. > :11:43.Some of the flights coming in low over central London in the
:11:44. > :11:45.morning would not be coming in low over central London
:11:46. > :11:48.in the morning. They would be coming in over the less-populated areas
:11:49. > :11:51.a bit further to the north and they would be higher.
:11:52. > :11:53.So, for some of the measures, a three-runway airport
:11:54. > :11:56.is less noisy than a two-runway airport, at that time.
:11:57. > :12:04.Earlier in the session, Heathrow chief executive,
:12:05. > :12:06.John Holland-Kaye, outlined to the committee how successful
:12:07. > :12:13.he believed the airport can be at limiting sound pollution.
:12:14. > :12:15.And he was pushed on limiting night flights
:12:16. > :12:30.It is something we need to keep working on. We need to discuss it
:12:31. > :12:42.with airlines and the government. We will make our statement on that in
:12:43. > :12:45.due course. When is that? When we have concluded the agreement. We are
:12:46. > :13:01.not in a position to do that at the moment. With regard to what John
:13:02. > :13:11.said about Nate flakes, the fourth runway as a matter for government. I
:13:12. > :13:15.realise this is an easy of great controversy, but I have to as people
:13:16. > :13:22.watching in the public gallery not to intervene. Please, beer weathers,
:13:23. > :13:39.listen to the evidence. My apologies. I am interested in your
:13:40. > :13:47.views on the fourth runway. The session last year, you said the
:13:48. > :13:53.succession of a third runway would pave the way for the campaign for a
:13:54. > :14:01.fourth runway. What we have said is that Heathrow is capable of
:14:02. > :14:13.expanding, if that were the case. That is entirely a question for the
:14:14. > :14:14.future. On the specific question, this is for the government to
:14:15. > :14:19.decide. The government has said it
:14:20. > :14:21.will make a decision on whether to go ahead with expansion
:14:22. > :14:23.at Heathrow At Lords' Question Time,
:14:24. > :14:27.Liberal Democrat peer Lord Marks asked a question on the current
:14:28. > :14:29.policy towards the treatment of transgender individuals
:14:30. > :14:31.In the criminal justice system. Prison rules say that prisoners
:14:32. > :14:33.should be placed according to their gender,
:14:34. > :14:35.as recognised by UK law, usually, as stated on
:14:36. > :14:37.their birth certificate or, if a person has a gender
:14:38. > :14:39.recognition certificate, giving them a new birth certificate
:14:40. > :14:41.in their acquired gender. The National Offender Management
:14:42. > :14:47.Service Policy on the care and management of transexual
:14:48. > :14:51.prisoners states that prisoners are normally placed
:14:52. > :14:54.according to their legally-recognised gender.
:14:55. > :14:56.The guidelines allow, however, some room for discretion and,
:14:57. > :14:58.in such cases, senior prison management will review
:14:59. > :15:01.the circumstances with relevant experts,
:15:02. > :15:05.to protect the prisoner's safety and well-being and that
:15:06. > :15:08.of other prisoners. Tara Hudson, a woman after
:15:09. > :15:11.six years of gender reconstruction, was originally imprisoned
:15:12. > :15:12.at HMP Bristol - a tough prison for 600 men,
:15:13. > :15:21.causing her great distress. She was moved to a women's
:15:22. > :15:24.prison only after the judges considering her case appeal
:15:25. > :15:26.suggested that the prison service reconsider. How can prison
:15:27. > :15:29.allocation be so insensitive to transgender offenders,
:15:30. > :15:31.particularly in light of the noble lord's answer?
:15:32. > :15:40.And will the noble lord's department ensure that,
:15:41. > :15:42.in the future, if a transgender offender
:15:43. > :15:44.is at risk of a custodial sentence, then full and careful
:15:45. > :15:48.thought should be given to allocation before sentence,
:15:49. > :15:54.rather than after placement? It is the policy of the Ministry
:15:55. > :15:56.of Justice Executive Agency But I can, however, without
:15:57. > :16:02.breaching any of the obligations, assure the House that she is being
:16:03. > :16:05.held in an appropriate environment and is receiving the care
:16:06. > :16:10.that she needs. There is deep concern about
:16:11. > :16:12.treatments within the criminal justice system.
:16:13. > :16:15.There are, however, good works being undertaken,
:16:16. > :16:18.such as at HMP Stafford. Will he commit and reassure
:16:19. > :16:22.the House that there is ongoing training and awareness-raising
:16:23. > :16:24.on the issue of transsexuality, particularly when the criminal
:16:25. > :16:33.justice aspects are outsourced? There is an emphasis on the prison
:16:34. > :16:36.officer training, which has been extended in its length
:16:37. > :16:38.and its content refreshed. It is all about respecting the needs
:16:39. > :16:41.and the rights of each individual prisoner in their care
:16:42. > :16:45.and there is a component of the mandatory training which
:16:46. > :16:48.addresses the Equality Act, and the nine characteristics
:16:49. > :16:50.protected under that legislation. The minister seem to suggest that it
:16:51. > :16:55.was at the point of prison Surely, when a person is
:16:56. > :17:00.leaving court, they need to be in the right van to go to the correct
:17:01. > :17:03.person. So, should the decision not be taken earlier, before they leave
:17:04. > :17:11.court? And can he assure us that the staff there are properly trained
:17:12. > :17:14.and a decision is taken My noble lady makes an
:17:15. > :17:16.important point. The National Offender Management
:17:17. > :17:19.Service is currently looking at ways of facilitating the proper
:17:20. > :17:21.recording of this information, through the introduction of an
:17:22. > :17:23.equalities self-declaration form, to be completed by all defendants
:17:24. > :17:31.who are adjourned for Labour has predicted
:17:32. > :17:33.a dangerous future for policing if the government proceeds with
:17:34. > :17:34.funding cuts. Shadow Home Secretary Andy Burnham
:17:35. > :17:36.warned that, if cuts went beyond 10%, public
:17:37. > :17:40.safety would be put at risk and some But Home Secretary Theresa May
:17:41. > :17:43.insisted that communities in England and Wales were safer than ever
:17:44. > :17:46.and accused Labour When the Home Secretary gets it
:17:47. > :17:53.right, she will have my support. I have just offered her that
:17:54. > :18:01.on the Investigatory Powers Bill. But where she
:18:02. > :18:03.and the government get it wrong, then, Madam Deputy Speaker,
:18:04. > :18:06.I am not going to hold back from saying so, particularly where public
:18:07. > :18:14.and community safety is at risk. I believe this government is
:18:15. > :18:20.about to cause serious damage to I spoke to my Police
:18:21. > :18:25.Crime Commissioner yesterday. He confirmed to me, and I quote,
:18:26. > :18:35."We are in a strong position to face future financial challenges, whilst
:18:36. > :18:36.maintaining frontline services." Does he agree with me, that many
:18:37. > :18:39.factors influence performance, That may well be the case,
:18:40. > :18:42.Madam Deputy Speaker. But could I gently point out to her
:18:43. > :18:50.that it is not the case everywhere. I would refer her to
:18:51. > :18:52.the comments made by the Chief Constable of Lancashire
:18:53. > :18:54.yesterday, before the Home Affairs Select Committee, when he said,
:18:55. > :18:57."Going forward, if the cuts come through, people in Lancashire will
:18:58. > :19:04.not be as safe as they are now." Three weeks from now,
:19:05. > :19:13.the Chancellor of the Exchequer will be standing at the dispatch box
:19:14. > :19:15.announcing his spending review. If he follows through
:19:16. > :19:18.on what he said at the Budget, the country will soon have
:19:19. > :19:20.a very different police force, providing a much-reduced service
:19:21. > :19:23.from the one he has just described. As it stands, like other unprotected
:19:24. > :19:25.departments, the Home Office is in line for cuts over the next five
:19:26. > :19:32.years of between 25-40%. If we assume the government are
:19:33. > :19:35.working towards keeping it at the lower end of that spectrum, that is
:19:36. > :19:41.still a massive hit on resources. As I understand his position,
:19:42. > :19:44.he is saying that cuts of up to 10% could safely be made now, because
:19:45. > :19:50.he accepts, in the terms of this motion, that further efficiencies
:19:51. > :19:53.could be made in the police budget. Therefore, by definition,
:19:54. > :19:55.he has accepted the efficiencies that have been made so far have not
:19:56. > :20:01.damaged policing - by definition. If further cuts can be made,
:20:02. > :20:08.up to 10%, he therefore accepts that the reductions which have been made
:20:09. > :20:13.to date have not damaged policing. Is it not, therefore,
:20:14. > :20:16.not extraordinarily that the Labour Party opposed those
:20:17. > :20:18.reductions in spending, said that Is it not the case that they are
:20:19. > :20:24.saying exactly the same thing now? I am glad the honourable
:20:25. > :20:32.gentleman has intervened. I am not saying anything
:20:33. > :20:34.of the kind. I am not saying that
:20:35. > :20:37.the cuts they have managed, to date, I have just been describing how
:20:38. > :20:40.functions as important as I have also pointed to
:20:41. > :20:48.the fact that crime is rising. These reforms are working
:20:49. > :20:51.and crime is falling. This government has achieved
:20:52. > :20:53.something that no other We have proved that it is possible
:20:54. > :21:00.to improve services and maintain public trust and confidence, whilst
:21:01. > :21:02.saving money for the taxpayer. It is with some dismay that I see
:21:03. > :21:05.the party opposite making exactly the same mistakes as they did
:21:06. > :21:08.in 2010 - misusing statistics, worrying decent members of the
:21:09. > :21:11.public and wilfully ignoring the I am really surprised to hear
:21:12. > :21:17.her say that crime is falling. In Cleveland, we have seen
:21:18. > :21:21.an increasing in crime of 21% - that includes a 77% increase
:21:22. > :21:25.in violence against the person. That does not accord with what
:21:26. > :21:28.she says about crime falling. Under the last Labour government,
:21:29. > :21:31.crime fell by 43%. We are very proud of that record
:21:32. > :21:35.and it is disappointing to see this I think I am right in saying that
:21:36. > :21:45.the figures she quotes for crime falling under the last Labour
:21:46. > :21:47.government were from exactly the same basis as the figures I have
:21:48. > :21:51.quoted for crime falling over the last five years -
:21:52. > :21:53.namely the Independent Crime Survey. Now, could prefab buildings be
:21:54. > :21:58.the solution to Britain's housing They were the answer to many
:21:59. > :22:02.of the housing problems after World War II and they conjure up
:22:03. > :22:04.images of flat-roofed, wooden-clad, In Westminster Hall,
:22:05. > :22:10.Conservative MP Damian Collins said new techniques and technologies
:22:11. > :22:12.for building homes and factories While the number
:22:13. > :22:21.of finished new homes was increasing at 130,000 per year, he says it
:22:22. > :22:27.remains below the target figure. Modern prefabrication could be
:22:28. > :22:45.the solution. The warrant prefabrication conjures
:22:46. > :22:52.up images for many overs of the post-World War II situation, brought
:22:53. > :23:02.into solve the huge housing need we were faced with. But on-site
:23:03. > :23:12.manufacturer assembly have transformed the application for a
:23:13. > :23:16.modern housing. A project in Islington Manchester can pre-order
:23:17. > :23:21.and design their own home before it is assembled. It can be assembled
:23:22. > :23:30.on-site at a lower cost than would normally be the cost for standard
:23:31. > :23:36.construction. Other companies will have similar schemes. I think we are
:23:37. > :23:36.having an exciting new technology which will revolutionise
:23:37. > :23:38.house-building in this country. The Local Government minister,
:23:39. > :23:39.Brandon Lewis, was similarly optimistic
:23:40. > :23:50.about the possible solutions offered We need to build more homes in our
:23:51. > :23:59.country. We need to build them in our communities. We all appreciate
:24:00. > :24:05.the high quality, thoughtful design and built quickly in the right
:24:06. > :24:11.places. Fast housing manufacturer can achieve all this. It has a
:24:12. > :24:15.normal potential for new growth as the factory industry. I would
:24:16. > :24:24.recommend that we look at this more often. And finally, what do you do
:24:25. > :24:31.in the absence of the front bench spokesman? This was faced by the
:24:32. > :24:39.Melbourne-based Deputy Speaker. We now come, I am purposely speaking
:24:40. > :24:47.rather slowly. We know come to the opposition Day motion in the name of
:24:48. > :24:53.the leader, I cannot go much more slowly than this. Some filling and
:24:54. > :25:04.was provided by an honourable member from the Conservative benches. On a
:25:05. > :25:08.point of order, obviously, the house is in anticipation of important
:25:09. > :25:17.papers. What procedures are in place if someone does not cannot? The
:25:18. > :25:24.honourable gentleman makes an excellent and most immediate point.
:25:25. > :25:33.All is well that ends well. Just as I was looking for a solution, the
:25:34. > :25:37.passion of a certain member of a person appearing at the door, I no
:25:38. > :25:47.longer need to consider that solution. We know come to the
:25:48. > :25:52.opposition day motion, to be moved. Thank you very much and I beg to
:25:53. > :25:58.move the motion in my name and those of my right honourable and
:25:59. > :26:02.honourable friends. Why see a little out of breath? That is all for me.
:26:03. > :26:04.Thank you for watching. Goodbye.