:00:15. > :00:15.Hello and welcome to Wednesday in Parliament.
:00:16. > :00:19.David Cameron faces questions about Europe while the Labour leader
:00:20. > :00:24.accuses him of not delivering on education.
:00:25. > :00:30.One third of families promised 30-hours free childcare now won't
:00:31. > :00:32.receive it. This is a broken promise.
:00:33. > :00:34.While David Cameron mocks Labour for taking economic advice
:00:35. > :00:37.from the former Greek Finance Minister.
:00:38. > :00:42.That is Labour's policy in two words.
:00:43. > :00:44.We're used to arguments about rich versus poor,
:00:45. > :00:51.A committee of MPs looks at the idea of intergenerational fairness.
:00:52. > :00:54.There's outrage in the Commons as an MP discovers that British
:00:55. > :01:04.Imagine it, you open your distinguished service order or CBE
:01:05. > :01:06.it says made in France. Every day at Westminster brings
:01:07. > :01:10.a new salvo in the debate On Wednesday morning,
:01:11. > :01:13.the Government published an analysis of the UK's options if it left
:01:14. > :01:16.the EU, suggesting they would all be worse for the economy
:01:17. > :01:19.than staying in. But Iain Duncan Smith -
:01:20. > :01:23.one of five Cabinet ministers campaigning in favour
:01:24. > :01:26.of a vote to leave the EU - said the Government was "in denial"
:01:27. > :01:30.about the risk of remaining a member, adding that, "this dodgy
:01:31. > :01:34.dossier won't fool anyone." It was the SNP's Westminster
:01:35. > :01:48.leader who raised Europe Millions of UK citizens live
:01:49. > :01:55.elsewhere in the European Union. European decisions have helped the
:01:56. > :01:59.environment. Relations between 28EU member states happens often
:02:00. > :02:03.imperfectly but through dialogue and agreement which surely is a huge
:02:04. > :02:07.improvement on confrontation and wars of the past. Will the Prime
:02:08. > :02:13.Minister concentrate on the positive arguments for EU membership and
:02:14. > :02:17.reject the approach of Project Fear? My arguments about being stronger in
:02:18. > :02:21.the reformed European Union, safer in the reformed European Union, and
:02:22. > :02:25.better off in the reformed European Union are all positive arguments. I
:02:26. > :02:28.would add the point he makes, that of course things like pollution
:02:29. > :02:31.crosses borders and so it makes sense to work together. I think the
:02:32. > :02:37.fundamental point he makes is one worth thinking about. He and I are
:02:38. > :02:40.both post-war children. But we should never forget, when we sit
:02:41. > :02:44.around that table, just 70 years ago, these countries were murdering
:02:45. > :02:48.each other on the continent of Europe. For five or six years,
:02:49. > :02:53.national insurance numbers issued to EU migrants have been hundreds of
:02:54. > :02:58.thousands higher than the official immigration figures. This emplies
:02:59. > :03:02.the official immigration figures may a dramatic underestimate. We can
:03:03. > :03:07.only know the truth of the matter if they release the data on active EU
:03:08. > :03:13.national insurance numbers, they have refused to do. Will the Prime
:03:14. > :03:17.Minister instruct HMRC to release the statistics immediately so we can
:03:18. > :03:21.understand the truth of EU immigration? You can get a national
:03:22. > :03:25.insurance number for a short-term visit. People who are already here
:03:26. > :03:30.but without a national insurance number can apply for them. These
:03:31. > :03:33.numbers are complex. The HMRC has given greater information I will
:03:34. > :03:35.continue to make sure that continues to be the case.
:03:36. > :03:38.Away from Europe, the Labour leader focussed on childcare
:03:39. > :03:43.for three and four-year-olds in England.
:03:44. > :03:48.The national audit report confirms one third of families promised
:03:49. > :03:54.30-hours free childcare now won't receive it. This is a broken
:03:55. > :03:59.promise. The report also warns that many childcare providers are not
:04:00. > :04:04.offering the new entitlement due to insufficient funding. There are
:04:05. > :04:08.41,000 three-year-olds missing out on free early education as a result
:04:09. > :04:11.of this. Will the Prime Minister intervene and ensure those children
:04:12. > :04:14.get the start in life that they deserve? We want all of these
:04:15. > :04:19.children to have the start in life they deserve. I'm glad he mentioned
:04:20. > :04:24.the National Audit Office report. Let me read him some of the things
:04:25. > :04:30.it says. "The department has successfully implebened the
:04:31. > :04:35.entitlement to free childcare with three or four-year-olds with almost
:04:36. > :04:36.takeup." We should be congratulating the Secretary of State.
:04:37. > :04:43.David Cameron turned on Jeremy Corbyn's economic strategy.
:04:44. > :04:52.I can announce to the House, his adviser, he was the Greek Finance
:04:53. > :04:55.Minister who left his economy in ruins. That is Labour's policy in
:04:56. > :05:00.two words. Acropolis now. Jeremy Corbyn moved onto the number
:05:01. > :05:03.of teachers in England's schools, accusing David Cameron of being
:05:04. > :05:12.in denial over teacher shortages. When 70% of Head teachers warned
:05:13. > :05:15.they are now having to use agency staff to staff their classrooms,
:05:16. > :05:20.isn't it time the Government intervened and looked at the real
:05:21. > :05:25.cost of this, which is damage to children's education, but also 1.3
:05:26. > :05:30.billion spent last year on agency teachers? If you want to look at
:05:31. > :05:34.enkourageing people to go into teaching you have to know you have a
:05:35. > :05:39.good school system with more academies, free schools and higher
:05:40. > :05:42.qualifications making sure we have rigour and discipline in our
:05:43. > :05:45.classroom. All of which improved. That is only possible if you have a
:05:46. > :05:47.strong and growing economy to fund the schools that our children need.
:05:48. > :05:51.David Cameron. The Government has defended a review
:05:52. > :05:54.of the state pension age which will look at whether or not
:05:55. > :05:57.it will need to rise A former head of the CBI,
:05:58. > :06:01.John Cridland, will lead the first Experts have suggested people
:06:02. > :06:08.joining the workforce now may have to wait until their mid-70s before
:06:09. > :06:12.they can retire. Labour have said such a review
:06:13. > :06:16.could throw the plans of millions But the Work and Pensions Secretary
:06:17. > :06:22.told MPs there'd be no immediate change and ministers had to respond
:06:23. > :06:33.to rising life expectancy. Future generations would rightly
:06:34. > :06:35.expect that we should reflect those changes in the nature of how we set
:06:36. > :06:39.the pension. and they wouldn't thank us,
:06:40. > :06:43.I think - and we very rarely hear anybody talk about future
:06:44. > :06:45.generations - but they would not thank us if we didn't take the right
:06:46. > :06:48.decisions at the right time and have the courage to ensure
:06:49. > :06:50.pensions are sustainable, to avoid them having to pick
:06:51. > :06:53.up an increasing bill which would make their lives
:06:54. > :07:00.even more difficult. Finally, Mr Speaker,
:07:01. > :07:02.can the Minister tell us what he thinks the upper limit
:07:03. > :07:05.is for the state pension age? Is it 80, as his former colleague,
:07:06. > :07:09.the Pensions Minister, warned today? Isn't it the truth, Mr Speaker,
:07:10. > :07:13.that the new pension promise is not the 75p they're always banging
:07:14. > :07:16.about, it's the 75 years you'll have to work and wait under this
:07:17. > :07:19.Tory Government before Mr Duncan Smith reminded Labour it
:07:20. > :07:28.had agreed to regular reviews and described that response
:07:29. > :07:49.as "utter idiocy." Can I just say to the House that
:07:50. > :07:53.I think, sadly, he gives a bad That was so pathetic as a response
:07:54. > :07:57.to a u-cue that was asked from an opposition that has no
:07:58. > :08:00.policy, jumps around opposing everything, racking up
:08:01. > :08:01.spending commitments. No wonder they haven't a hope
:08:02. > :08:04.in hell of being in Government. Healthy life expectancy is not
:08:05. > :08:06.rising at the same speed In fact, the gap between
:08:07. > :08:09.the two is widening. Given the Government's reductions
:08:10. > :08:12.in support for sick and disabled people of working-age,
:08:13. > :08:14.indeed changes we're due to discuss later today, can we have any
:08:15. > :08:16.confidence that further increases pension age will not simply condemn
:08:17. > :08:19.thousands of older people with serious health conditions
:08:20. > :08:22.to an impoverished old age on state benefits prior to their
:08:23. > :08:24.official retirement? Inevitably, there are bound to be
:08:25. > :08:26.loud complaints from those who are so unlucky that they're born
:08:27. > :08:29.at a stage when they're just affected by the change,
:08:30. > :08:32.but a Government has a duty to proceed in the interests
:08:33. > :08:34.of the country and in the interests of future generations of working
:08:35. > :08:37.taxpayers who will not be able to afford to sustain our system
:08:38. > :08:40.unless we respond to reality. I'm not going to get angry,
:08:41. > :08:43.but I am going to gently point out to the Secretary of State
:08:44. > :08:49.that he Is quite wrong to say that there is a
:08:50. > :08:51.consensus about this. Indeed, he has broken the consensus
:08:52. > :08:54.he put in place with the excellent former Pensions Minister,
:08:55. > :08:56.Steve Webb, because that agreement was that the independent reviews
:08:57. > :08:59.that would happen every five years would look at life expectancy
:09:00. > :09:02.and fairness of those paying in. But he's now introducing
:09:03. > :09:05.affordability into that, which was not part of that,
:09:06. > :09:08.as well as bringing it forward. Will the Secretary of State rule out
:09:09. > :09:11.the prospect of the retirement age being increased to 84
:09:12. > :09:14.as a result of this review, as was predicted by the previous
:09:15. > :09:17.Pensions Minister, Steve Webb? Mr Speaker, is there any limit
:09:18. > :09:20.that this Government is prepared to set on the upper limit
:09:21. > :09:25.of the state retire am age? It is that somehow that her party
:09:26. > :09:31.opposes an independent and regular I hear the frontbench shouting
:09:32. > :09:39."rigged." The only thing rigged
:09:40. > :09:41.here is the way that he got onto the frontbench to be
:09:42. > :09:54.the Opposition spokesman. Meanwhile, a committee of MPs has
:09:55. > :09:59.been looking at where the balance lies between making life better
:10:00. > :10:01.for young people and improving it The Work and Pensions Committee
:10:02. > :10:05.is looking at the issue Its first witnesses were two
:10:06. > :10:08.ex-ministers with an interest David Willetts is a former
:10:09. > :10:11.Universities Minister, who's recently written a book
:10:12. > :10:13.on intergenerational issues, and Steve Webb is a former
:10:14. > :10:22.Pensions Minister. In terms of the two crucial assets
:10:23. > :10:25.people build up during their working lives, both owning a home
:10:26. > :10:27.and having a funded pension, much harder for the younger
:10:28. > :10:29.generation to get started When we look at someone who's 60ish
:10:30. > :10:34.and looks relatively comfortable, I think the wrong conclusion
:10:35. > :10:36.would be, therefore, because 20-year-olds are struggling
:10:37. > :10:38.to get on the housing ladder, and here's a comfortable
:10:39. > :10:41.60-year-old, therefore we must break the triple-lock on the pension
:10:42. > :10:43.or scrap the winter fuel Not recognising that the 60-year-old
:10:44. > :10:48.was probably 20, when we had 30, when we we had mass unemployment
:10:49. > :10:57.in the 80s. You know, if she's a woman,
:10:58. > :11:00.she may well have started work when there wasn't even legislation
:11:01. > :11:03.to stop discrimination against women So the challenge I think
:11:04. > :11:07.for the inquiry, is to see people over the course of their whole lives
:11:08. > :11:11.and I think then you get a rich Nowadays, those challenges that,
:11:12. > :11:18.I hope across parties we believe in, owning your own home,
:11:19. > :11:20.settling down, building up a funded pension,
:11:21. > :11:22.those things which were pretty much automatic are now massive policy
:11:23. > :11:24.issues and challenges. I think, in the long run,
:11:25. > :11:27.a society where people are getting into their 30s or older and don't
:11:28. > :11:40.have a place of their own and haven't got a funded pension,
:11:41. > :11:43.is one where the younger generation Feel that then they're getting
:11:44. > :11:47.a raw deal. So, just generally, your views
:11:48. > :11:49.on Government policies, have they helped or hindered this
:11:50. > :11:51.problem? We've had a decline
:11:52. > :11:53.in the number of mature students So in places where different
:11:54. > :11:56.generations mix, if you look at the UK kind of social attitudes
:11:57. > :11:59.evidence, we are more We're more likely to work
:12:00. > :12:02.alongside people our own age, study alongside them, have houses
:12:03. > :12:04.and accommodation alongside them. That does make it easier for these
:12:05. > :12:08.kind of pictures of a different age group to build up, including I think
:12:09. > :12:10.often very unfair caricatures Could I just add one point to that,
:12:11. > :12:16.if I may. Normally, the National Pensioners
:12:17. > :12:18.Convention gave people like me a hard time,
:12:19. > :12:21.but their strategy on this issue is really quite surprising because,
:12:22. > :12:23.rather than just bang on for pensioners, they have
:12:24. > :12:25.specifically allied themselves So that rather than have
:12:26. > :12:30.this kind of battle, they've sort of said, actually,
:12:31. > :12:32.our generation do care So do you think that
:12:33. > :12:37.intergenerational distribution of wealth of income is a more
:12:38. > :12:39.pressing issue than disparities I think that the danger of -
:12:40. > :12:45.I mean, at the risk... Someone said the other day,
:12:46. > :12:48.they were quoted as saying. At 64, I was a benefits scrounger,
:12:49. > :12:51.at 65 I was a national treasure. Suddenly, you know,
:12:52. > :12:56.all the pensioners we see Actually, we are hugely
:12:57. > :13:00.diverse within generations. There's been virtually no increase
:13:01. > :13:03.in employment for young There's barely been an increase
:13:04. > :13:08.for middle aged people. The surge in employment has been
:13:09. > :13:10.amongst the over 60s. There are lots of pensioners
:13:11. > :13:13.who are also working. That's where the labour market
:13:14. > :13:16.flexibilities have really Indeed, one quarter of all free
:13:17. > :13:25.pensioner bus pass journeys in London are older people
:13:26. > :13:30.travelling to work. Despite, you know, very vast
:13:31. > :13:38.and sort of deep intellectual argument about the intergenerational
:13:39. > :13:43.challenges, the bottom line is that the political imperative
:13:44. > :13:47.around propensity to vote amongst older people trumps any analysis
:13:48. > :13:56.that either of you have. I mean, we can discuss this as long
:13:57. > :14:00.as we like but you know, as well as I do,
:14:01. > :14:02.that's the imperative. The worst advice young people ever
:14:03. > :14:05.got was Russell Brand telling them That was such bad advice when,
:14:06. > :14:08.in reality, you're right, I do think older people worry now
:14:09. > :14:12.about their children and grandchildren and we partly got
:14:13. > :14:15.into this mess because we just We just didn't think when pensions
:14:16. > :14:21.were being regulated more and more heavily,
:14:22. > :14:23.does this mean that there won't be any funded company pensions
:14:24. > :14:25.for the next generation? So I think that when be you get
:14:26. > :14:29.people into this cast of mind, You're watching Wednesday
:14:30. > :14:40.in Parliament, here on BBC Parliament, with me,
:14:41. > :14:43.Alicia McCarthy. How should Europe respond
:14:44. > :14:46.to the migrant crisis? Thousands of migrants have amassed
:14:47. > :14:50.in Greece after neighbouring On Monday, hundreds tried to break
:14:51. > :14:56.through, but were blocked by Macedonian police
:14:57. > :15:00.who fired tear gas at them. The European Commission has
:15:01. > :15:02.announced a multi-million-pound emergency aid programme to help
:15:03. > :15:08.Greece and other countries overwhelmed by an
:15:09. > :15:10.influx of migrants. In the Commons, an SNP MP
:15:11. > :15:13.asked an urgent question. The International Development
:15:14. > :15:29.Secretary said there would be But as the Secretary of State agree
:15:30. > :15:32.that rubber bullets and tear gas does not amount to an appropriate
:15:33. > :15:39.response and Greece cannot manage the situation alone? This country
:15:40. > :15:44.has a proud and honourable tradition that is being honoured now. The EU
:15:45. > :15:48.response has been chaotic and the honourable gentleman is right.
:15:49. > :15:54.Rubber bullets and tear gas against children is not the answer. When my
:15:55. > :16:07.Mac and my right honourable friend seek to convene a European meeting
:16:08. > :16:12.to garner a holistic response. That would be a summit to come up with a
:16:13. > :16:16.more appropriate response. What is the Government doing to work with
:16:17. > :16:22.fellow members of the European family of nations to be more
:16:23. > :16:28.effective against the people traffickers? Provide a safe routes
:16:29. > :16:33.for refugees and above all how can we turn our backs on the people of
:16:34. > :16:37.Greece who risked being overwhelmed because of the absence of a
:16:38. > :16:47.strategic approach and humanitarian approach to this issue by all of the
:16:48. > :16:51.EU nations, including the UK? I think I would strongly disagree with
:16:52. > :16:56.her last statement because the reality is we are the largest
:16:57. > :17:01.contributor to the humanitarian response in Europe. We are working
:17:02. > :17:05.across the EU to ensure this humanitarian crisis is averted and
:17:06. > :17:09.the most vulnerable people are protected and given shelter. We are
:17:10. > :17:11.monitoring the situation closely and stand ready to meet other priority
:17:12. > :17:15.On the backbenches there were calls for the Government to take more
:17:16. > :17:21.of the migrants, including unaccompanied children.
:17:22. > :17:28.I remain convinced we have a greater leadership role to play in ensuring
:17:29. > :17:33.Greece is supported and not left to be abandoned by the rest of Europe,
:17:34. > :17:38.which is what is happening now. In the mix of all, sorry mess there are
:17:39. > :17:44.unaccompanied, let's call them what they really are, orphaned children
:17:45. > :17:48.who are still there and in need of our care and I believe the UK and
:17:49. > :17:58.other countries have moral obligation to house them. Blankets
:17:59. > :18:01.are not enough. Last year there were 19,000 unaccompanied children
:18:02. > :18:07.registered and applied for asylum in Europe. Does that not demonstrate
:18:08. > :18:12.the modesty of the col botanist country to take 3000? Surely this
:18:13. > :18:15.the time when the Government should say yes to that very modest call for
:18:16. > :18:18.say yes to that very modest call for political leadership?
:18:19. > :18:21.The Government's policy is to take migrants from camps in countries
:18:22. > :18:26.neighbouring Syria and not those who have fled to Europe.
:18:27. > :18:27.A number of Conservatives congratulated the Government
:18:28. > :18:38.The refugees we see from the Middle East are the victims of terrorists
:18:39. > :18:42.and traffickers and simply, to take refugees who have already made the
:18:43. > :18:48.safety of Europe into the UK is playing into the hands of those
:18:49. > :18:51.traffickers that are appallingly exploiting people.
:18:52. > :18:54.Down the corridor in the Lords, it was the turn of peers to debate
:18:55. > :18:56.the forthcoming referendum on our EU membership.
:18:57. > :18:59.In a wide ranging discussion, one former EU commissioner strongly
:19:00. > :19:00.supported the deal David Cameron had done.
:19:01. > :19:09.Once the die is cast, there will be no turning back.
:19:10. > :19:16.We cannot leave the European Union and for economic and trade purposes
:19:17. > :19:19.be treated as if we are still in it, that is the unescapable fact
:19:20. > :19:35.The case for getting out seems to me to rest on a strangely
:19:36. > :19:37.old-fashioned, almost Victorian, view of sovereignty -
:19:38. > :19:40.of Bagehot and Dicey, when all power rested
:19:41. > :19:45.I suspect that there is now more power resting on the global stage
:19:46. > :19:47.today that affects the lives of ordinary citizens than is vested
:19:48. > :19:49.in the institutions of nation states like ourselves.
:19:50. > :19:58.Nothing is-not our local councils, not our own families or football
:19:59. > :19:59.clubs, not even your Lordships' House.
:20:00. > :20:02.Does that mean we should opt out of them too?
:20:03. > :20:09.The EU does need reform, which is why we need to be right
:20:10. > :20:12.there on the pitch as a key player, not sitting in the stands,
:20:13. > :20:14.moaning as a spectator and suffering in cold isolation.
:20:15. > :20:19.The problem is that we are not and cannot be on the sidelines.
:20:20. > :20:23.Whether we like it or not, we are and will remain on the pitch.
:20:24. > :20:25.We therefore have a vested interest in helping to deliver
:20:26. > :20:29.Those of us who wish to leave the EU are asked to say
:20:30. > :20:31.what our alternative is to our membership,
:20:32. > :20:36.The alternative to being a member of the European Union is not
:20:37. > :20:40.being a member of the European Union.
:20:41. > :20:46.It may come as a great shock to the little Europeans
:20:47. > :20:49.in our midst, but most of the world, including significantly
:20:50. > :20:51.the fastest-growing countries in the world, are not
:20:52. > :21:08.I have come to the conclusion that in its present form the EU is a
:21:09. > :21:12.flawed project which is making its inhabitants worse off than they
:21:13. > :21:17.should be and because it is failing, contrary to what has been said by
:21:18. > :21:25.The Health and Safety Executive has censured the Ministry of Defence
:21:26. > :21:28.over the deaths of three soldiers in 2013 on an SAS training exercise.
:21:29. > :21:30.The Executive said that but for Crown Immunity,
:21:31. > :21:34.125 service personnel died on training exercises between 2000
:21:35. > :21:45.and 2015 and the Commons Defence sub committee is conducting an inquiry:
:21:46. > :21:53.During this enquiry we have heard some conflicting views. Improved
:21:54. > :21:58.design and delivery of training and better regulation of who is
:21:59. > :22:04.responsible has been expressed but we have also been told there is a
:22:05. > :22:10.higher rate of injury and fatalities while practising for war than in
:22:11. > :22:13.combat and we were told a blase attitude to attrition rates,
:22:14. > :22:21.particularly in training. How do these statements fit together? I
:22:22. > :22:26.would question some of those statements. I think, I can
:22:27. > :22:31.understand if you are trying to make a judgment about this why you might
:22:32. > :22:39.compare this on operations to those in training, but I would say that is
:22:40. > :22:44.not a helpful comparison. Clearly, though there will be undiagnosed
:22:45. > :22:50.heart conditions, things that arrives, you want to mitigate all
:22:51. > :22:57.deaths in training. I think one of the key point I would make is unless
:22:58. > :23:01.you have training that is rigorous enough and exposes people to the
:23:02. > :23:08.kind of thing they will experience in combat, you are failing in your
:23:09. > :23:11.duty of care to them. Nobody on the committee and not myself, we
:23:12. > :23:15.shouldn't waste time in stating the obvious. No one has a problem of
:23:16. > :23:20.arduous training. Everybody understands that in order to perform
:23:21. > :23:25.on operations you must have your training at the set levels. The
:23:26. > :23:28.problem I have got is some of that governors about that training,
:23:29. > :23:35.something has gone wrong and that is what we're trying to get to bottom
:23:36. > :23:40.of. We have had a number of concerns expressed to us about the ability of
:23:41. > :23:46.the MOD to police itself when it comes to Armed Forces in training.
:23:47. > :23:53.When I have looked at particular cases where there have been deaths
:23:54. > :23:58.and training it has been because policy has not been bowled, ought
:23:59. > :24:05.the wrong people have been carrying out particular training, a catalogue
:24:06. > :24:13.of feelings, and we need to look at why that happened, why it does not
:24:14. > :24:20.happen in other places and we must address that. I am confident that
:24:21. > :24:25.although there are still enquiry is going on into some incidents that
:24:26. > :24:30.have taken place, where we have identified why a particular thing
:24:31. > :24:34.wasn't followed or buy a particular individual wasn't conducting that
:24:35. > :24:39.aspect of training, those measures have been identified.
:24:40. > :24:40.Finally, Back to prime minister's questions,
:24:41. > :24:43.where a Labour Mp was outraged by the discovery of where British
:24:44. > :24:47.People in the Midlands are furious to learn that the Government have
:24:48. > :24:50.awarded a contract to make British medals to some French company.
:24:51. > :24:55.Imagine opening your Distinguished Service Order
:24:56. > :25:08.or your CBE to find "Fabrique en France" on it.
:25:09. > :25:09.I have visited Midlands' medal manufacturers in Birmingham's
:25:10. > :25:12.jewellery quarter, and they are the best in the world.
:25:13. > :25:14.The Prime Minister should go back to Downing Street,
:25:15. > :25:19.call in the Cabinet Office Minister and get this scandal sorted out.
:25:20. > :25:24.The only point I would make is that I am sure that all those
:25:25. > :25:28.in the Royal Mint in Wales would want to contest that claim
:25:29. > :25:32.and argue that they make the final medals in the United Kingdom.
:25:33. > :25:36.I am sure the competition between them and Birmingham is intense.
:25:37. > :25:38.I will certainly take away what the
:25:39. > :25:42.I was not aware of the issue, but where we can make
:25:43. > :25:52.something in Britain, we should make it in Britain.
:25:53. > :25:58.is it for now but join me at the same time tomorrow, including a
:25:59. > :26:03.debate on gangs and youth violence. Until then, goodbye.