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:00:19. > :00:23.Coming up, the government sees off calls for an end to cuts to public

:00:24. > :00:29.services and the public sector pay cap.

:00:30. > :00:35.The eyes to the right, 309, the nose to the left, 323.

:00:36. > :00:37.Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn clash at their first

:00:38. > :00:40.Prime Minister's Questions of the new parliament over

:00:41. > :00:46.whether counsel cuts were a factor in the Grenfell fire.

:00:47. > :00:58.When you cut local authority budgets by 40%, we all pay a price in public

:00:59. > :01:00.safety. The cladding of tower blocks began under a Tony Blair government.

:01:01. > :01:02.And the government's told to rethink its approach to trade

:01:03. > :01:11.The government's Brexit policy is one of trying to fill a swimming

:01:12. > :01:13.pool with a teaspoon. But first, after a couple of months

:01:14. > :01:16.away for a general election, which produced a result few had

:01:17. > :01:21.rejected, it was time which produced a result few had

:01:22. > :01:23.predicted, it was time for Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn

:01:24. > :01:26.to face each other for the first prime ministers questions

:01:27. > :01:28.of the new parliament. Much as happened since MPs last met,

:01:29. > :01:30.including terrorist attacks in Manchester and London

:01:31. > :01:33.and the fire at Grenfell Tower, which is thought to have

:01:34. > :01:35.claimed at least 80 lives. Add in the aftermath of the tower

:01:36. > :01:38.block fire which dominated the exchanges between Theresa May

:01:39. > :01:44.and Jeremy Corbyn in the session. PMQs was coming just ahead

:01:45. > :01:47.of the fifth day of debate on the Queen's speech,

:01:48. > :01:50.where Labour had down an amendment calling on the government to end

:01:51. > :01:52.the public service pay cap and to recruit more

:01:53. > :01:55.police and fire officers. Theresa May began with

:01:56. > :02:09.an update on cladding tests. As of this morning the cladding from

:02:10. > :02:10.120 tower blocks across the country in 37 local authority areas had been

:02:11. > :02:24.tested and had failed the test. Under her predecessor, fire safety

:02:25. > :02:30.audits and inspections work at by a quarter, Fire Authority budgets were

:02:31. > :02:33.cut by a quarter, can the Prime Minister give an assurance to the

:02:34. > :02:44.House that the further 20% cuts to the Fire Service planned by 2020

:02:45. > :02:49.will now be halted? Can I say to him that in his reference to the

:02:50. > :02:53.building regulations I think he has missed part of the point in this

:02:54. > :02:59.which is it is not a question of what laws you have, it is how those

:03:00. > :03:04.are being applied and that is the issue. We have the building

:03:05. > :03:10.regulations about compliant materials. The question is, why is

:03:11. > :03:13.it that despite that, we have seen in local authority area after local

:03:14. > :03:20.authority area materials being put up that appear not to comply with

:03:21. > :03:26.those building regulations. When you cut local authority budgets by 40%,

:03:27. > :03:34.we all pay a price. In public safety. Fewer inspectors, fewer

:03:35. > :03:41.building control inspectors, fewer planning inspectors, we all pay a

:03:42. > :03:48.price. And those cuts to the Fire Service have meant there are 11,000

:03:49. > :03:51.fewer firefighters, the public sector pay cap is hitting

:03:52. > :03:56.recruitment and retention right across the public sector. What the

:03:57. > :04:02.tragedy of Grenfell tower has exposed is the disastrous effect of

:04:03. > :04:08.austerity. I urge the Prime Minister to come up with the resources needed

:04:09. > :04:14.to test and remove cladding, sprinklers, properly fund the Fire

:04:15. > :04:20.Service and the police, so that all of our communities can truly feel

:04:21. > :04:31.safe in their own homes. Mr Speaker, this disaster must be a wake-up

:04:32. > :04:40.call. The cladding of tower blocks did not start under this government.

:04:41. > :04:43.It did not start under the previous coalition government. The cladding

:04:44. > :04:51.of tower blocks began under a Tony Blair government. That is why I say

:04:52. > :04:57.to him, this should be an issue that across this House we recognise is a

:04:58. > :05:02.matter that has been developing over decades, is a matter that has

:05:03. > :05:08.occurred under governments of both colours, under councils of all

:05:09. > :05:18.political persuasions and is something I would hope we would say

:05:19. > :05:24.just come together and ensure that we get to the answers of why this

:05:25. > :05:26.has happened over many years. What has gone wrong and how do we stop it

:05:27. > :05:27.from happening in the future. A Labour backbencher

:05:28. > :05:37.turned to policing. Britain's for most senior police

:05:38. > :05:41.officers, the commission of the Met, heads of counterterrorism, the

:05:42. > :05:45.National Crime Agency and the police chief's counsel all wrote to the

:05:46. > :05:51.government saying the counterterrorism policing and

:05:52. > :05:55.protecting security grant is being cut by 7.2%. We have protected

:05:56. > :06:01.counterterrorism policing. We have put money end. We have also put

:06:02. > :06:08.money into an uplift for an uplift in armed policing and the commission

:06:09. > :06:11.of the Metropolitan Police has made the point that the Metropolitan

:06:12. > :06:14.Police are well resourced and have a wide diversity of tools they can use

:06:15. > :06:16.in countering terrorism. Well, when PMQs was over,

:06:17. > :06:19.it was onto the debate on the Queen's speech,

:06:20. > :06:22.where Labour had down that amendment demanding an end to 1% pay cut

:06:23. > :06:26.for public sector staff and an end to cuts in the police

:06:27. > :06:35.and Fire Service. The question ministers have the

:06:36. > :06:41.answer is this. How long are they going to continue to peddle hard

:06:42. > :06:47.line austerity when their own targets for closing the deficit

:06:48. > :06:51.received ever further away, raising the question as to whether savage

:06:52. > :06:57.cuts are not counter-productive in terms of encouraging growth and how

:06:58. > :07:03.long are they going to pursue austerities when any parent who has

:07:04. > :07:05.a child at school, anybody that uses an accident or emergency

:07:06. > :07:11.departments, anyone who has an elderly relative in need of social

:07:12. > :07:15.care, can see for themselves that cuts have consequences and that

:07:16. > :07:16.there is a human price to pay for Tory austerity.

:07:17. > :07:19.The Home Secretary tackled claims about cuts the essential

:07:20. > :07:23.services and the response to the Grenfell fire.

:07:24. > :07:34.The fire crew was on the scene at Grenfell tower within six minutes

:07:35. > :07:37.and over firefighters 200 responded. Can the Shadow Home Secretary really

:07:38. > :07:41.suggest the numbers were inexcusably low? We should also a member that

:07:42. > :07:44.the number of fire incidents has halved in the last decade but the

:07:45. > :07:47.number of firefighters had fallen by less than 20%.

:07:48. > :07:51.She said police budgets had been protected since 2015.

:07:52. > :07:59.The real point is that the party opposite have cut budgets not since

:08:00. > :08:03.2015 but since 2010. He is right there were cuts between 2010 and

:08:04. > :08:07.2015 but I would say to him, we must look at what the outcome is and

:08:08. > :08:12.crime fell by a third during that period. She is presumably not wholly

:08:13. > :08:16.taken in by the Shadow Home Secretary posturing as a defender of

:08:17. > :08:20.people safety when in 1989 she famously signed an early day motion

:08:21. > :08:26.calling for the scrapping of MI5 and the Metropolitan Police special

:08:27. > :08:30.Branch. I want to hear that outcomes and I know that recently one of the

:08:31. > :08:34.outcomes for West Midlands Police was that as police officers are

:08:35. > :08:42.pulled away onto anti-terrorist alerts and more high alert policing

:08:43. > :08:45.the call-outs on other crimes have to be downgraded and one of the

:08:46. > :08:48.things that was downgraded and outcome of it not being police the

:08:49. > :08:56.West Midlands was call-outs on domestic violence. I would say to

:08:57. > :08:59.her that the past three months have seen an extraordinary series of

:09:00. > :09:04.attacks that have put pressure on our police and generally they have

:09:05. > :09:08.dealt incredibly well with it by having mutual aid coming from

:09:09. > :09:12.different areas to support them. We recognise there has been a

:09:13. > :09:15.particular struggle. I don't think her point holds water that we need

:09:16. > :09:18.to operate at this level as if there were this level of attacks every

:09:19. > :09:23.three months but I do recognise and I will be in gauging with police and

:09:24. > :09:26.police chief officers to find out whether they have the support we

:09:27. > :09:32.expect them to have despite the additional work they need to do. In

:09:33. > :09:34.the SNP we believe that they have sufficient power that their disposal

:09:35. > :09:39.and the real issue the government should be looking at is whether the

:09:40. > :09:44.police and security services have sufficient sources to fight

:09:45. > :09:47.terrorism. It is already a crime to incite violence. People suspected of

:09:48. > :09:52.terrorist activity can already be stopped and searched and people who

:09:53. > :09:54.aid terrorists are already imprisoned and those convicted of

:09:55. > :10:01.plotting an attack can be locked up for life so we have the powers.

:10:02. > :10:04.Somehow the government can find ?1 billion to support Northern Ireland

:10:05. > :10:08.and to support the government keeping its own jobs but cannot

:10:09. > :10:11.support the additional resources that the police and emergency

:10:12. > :10:12.services need to support their jobs at this difficult time as well.

:10:13. > :10:24.Apart from the immense complexities and difficulties and grave

:10:25. > :10:27.uncertainties of the Brexit negotiations, this country has more

:10:28. > :10:35.than its fair share of major issues with which the government has got to

:10:36. > :10:40.close. What is it in our system that seems to mean that we cannot arrive

:10:41. > :10:45.at the same national plan, like Denmark, the Netherlands or Japan,

:10:46. > :10:50.that deals effectively, humanely and decently with careful the elderly in

:10:51. > :10:55.all its complexity? I say to the government, just get on and do it

:10:56. > :10:56.and work across all the parties and all the considerable expertise that

:10:57. > :10:59.this country has to get this done. Well, at the end of the evening MPs

:11:00. > :11:03.voted on Labour's amendment to end the public sector pay cap and end

:11:04. > :11:10.cuts to the police and Fire Service. The eyes to the right, 309. The noes

:11:11. > :11:17.to the left, 323. The government winning that

:11:18. > :11:19.first vision of this MPs will hold their final

:11:20. > :11:22.day of debate and vote You're watching Wednesday In

:11:23. > :11:35.Parliament with me, Alicia McCarthy. Talks to restore the devolved

:11:36. > :11:38.government in Northern Ireland are continuing as the deadline

:11:39. > :11:40.for a deal approaches. Meanwhile, the implications

:11:41. > :11:42.of an agreement between the Democratic Unionists

:11:43. > :11:47.and the Conservatives to ensure the government has a majority

:11:48. > :11:49.at Westminster are becoming clearer. DUP have secured over ?1 billion

:11:50. > :11:53.in funding in return for their support to enable

:11:54. > :11:56.ministers to get key The DUP's leader at

:11:57. > :12:01.Westminster, Nigel Dodds, was anxious to explain that the ?1

:12:02. > :12:09.billion of havoc spending would be was anxious to explain that the ?1

:12:10. > :12:12.billion of public spending would be spent in areas such

:12:13. > :12:21.as mental health. Isn't it time people recognised this

:12:22. > :12:23.is the delivery for people all across Northern Ireland, all

:12:24. > :12:26.sections of the community and it will help some of the most

:12:27. > :12:32.vulnerable and disadvantaged people in Northern Ireland and people

:12:33. > :12:39.should get behind it and welcome it. P makes a very important point on

:12:40. > :12:44.this. It is the case as we said in the agreement that we recognise the

:12:45. > :12:47.particular circumstances of Northern Ireland that have arisen as the

:12:48. > :12:51.result of Northern Ireland's history and as he says, there will be

:12:52. > :12:52.mental-health issues that arise as a result of that.

:12:53. > :12:54.Earlier, the Northern Ireland Secretary was questioned

:12:55. > :12:58.about what some see as conflict of interest.

:12:59. > :13:13.We are in a odd position where each DUP MP is worth more than Ronaldo.

:13:14. > :13:18.LAUGHTER Does the Secretary of State agree

:13:19. > :13:26.that it is now impossible for the UK Government to be evenhanded in

:13:27. > :13:30.Northern Ireland? No, identical James Brokenshire I. A deal between

:13:31. > :13:35.the Conservatives and the DUP, which will see an extra ?1 billion go to

:13:36. > :13:41.Northern Ireland rankled. The new leader of the SNP at Westminster

:13:42. > :13:44.register at Prime Minister's Questions, asking what the Scottish

:13:45. > :13:48.Secretary, David Mundell, had known about the deal. The Scottish

:13:49. > :13:52.Secretary insisted Scotland would see increased funding if the DUP

:13:53. > :13:59.secured money for Northern Ireland as part of a confidence and supply

:14:00. > :14:03.deal consisting, I am not going to deal between Gregory to anything

:14:04. > :14:07.that could be structured as back door funding to Northern Ireland.

:14:08. > :14:09.The Prime Minister receive any representation from a Scottish

:14:10. > :14:18.Secretary about the DUP deal either before or after it was signed? Of

:14:19. > :14:21.course, when we look at what has happened in terms of funding for the

:14:22. > :14:24.rest of the United Kingdom, in the Autumn Statement last year my right

:14:25. > :14:29.honourable friend the Chancellor that aside and infrastructure fund

:14:30. > :14:34.of ?23 billion. We're putting more money into our NHS, more money into

:14:35. > :14:39.our schools and there is an impact on Scotland as a result of that

:14:40. > :14:44.Autumn Statement. ?100 billion extra spending is going to Scotland. As a

:14:45. > :14:51.result of the budget, ?350 million extra going to Scotland -- ?800

:14:52. > :14:53.million extra going to Scotland. The honourable gentleman complaining

:14:54. > :15:01.about more money going to Northern Ireland. But of course he is a

:15:02. > :15:06.nationalist and not a unionist. A Asma MP turned to Brexit. -- a

:15:07. > :15:22.Labour MP ten to Brexit. People have no confidence in the

:15:23. > :15:26.ministers in charge of the Brexit deal, and fear that our country is

:15:27. > :15:29.going to be deeply damaged in terms of our economy and our role in the

:15:30. > :15:35.world if we do not get our act together. I have to say to the

:15:36. > :15:38.honourable gentleman that the Brexit negotiations have not started

:15:39. > :15:44.former, the formal negotiations have not started. And there was a very

:15:45. > :15:46.positive start to those negotiations, with my right

:15:47. > :15:51.honourable friend the Secretary of State for exiting the EU and the

:15:52. > :15:56.appointed negotiator, we have set up three working groups dealing with

:15:57. > :16:00.key issues initially, including citizens not about rights, I'm very

:16:01. > :16:03.pleased about that, and started a dialogue on the issue of the border

:16:04. > :16:06.between Ireland and Northern Ireland, which is important for

:16:07. > :16:09.Northern Ireland but also for the whole of the United Kingdom. We are

:16:10. > :16:13.published, we have set out our objective, we have published our

:16:14. > :16:16.white papers, we will break our repeal bill before this house, we

:16:17. > :16:21.know the plan we have got, the part that doesn't know its plan for

:16:22. > :16:28.Brexit is his party. A new Conservative MP raised Jeremy

:16:29. > :16:35.Corbyn's history on Trident. I was deeply alarmed to hear a report made

:16:36. > :16:39.by the opposition at Glastonbury Festival that in power, she would

:16:40. > :16:42.abandon Trident and a Chila undermine the security and safety of

:16:43. > :16:46.our country. Would my right honourable friend the Prime Minister

:16:47. > :16:49.agree that it is only her Government and the Conservative Party that can

:16:50. > :17:00.provide the safety and security our country needs? Can I first well,

:17:01. > :17:05.honourable friend, in this house, I am sure he is going to be a fine

:17:06. > :17:09.representative of the fine people of the Aldershot constituency. I can I

:17:10. > :17:13.join with him in saying that I think people were shocked to hear that in

:17:14. > :17:17.public, the Leader of the Opposition appeared to support Trident, but in

:17:18. > :17:27.private, said he wanted to scrap it. It's only the Conservative Party...

:17:28. > :17:30.Only the Conservative Party that is clear about retaining our nuclear

:17:31. > :17:33.deterrent and in the case of the leader of the position, it appears

:17:34. > :17:39.he says one thing to the many and another thing to the few. Theresa

:17:40. > :17:42.May. Well, the session had started just after the news broke that six

:17:43. > :17:47.senior figures will be prosecuted over the 1989 Hillsborough disaster.

:17:48. > :17:49.96 Liverpool fans were fatally injured in a crush at

:17:50. > :17:53.Today, the Crown Prosecution Service announced charging decisions

:17:54. > :17:57.I know from working closely with the families

:17:58. > :18:01.when I was Home Secretary that this will be a day of mixed

:18:02. > :18:04.But the house will understand that I cannot say anything further

:18:05. > :18:07.on matters that are not subject to a criminal prosecution.

:18:08. > :18:11.This prosecution, the enquiry, and this development only happened

:18:12. > :18:15.because of the incredible work done by the Hillsborough Justice

:18:16. > :18:17.Campaign, Andy Burnham, Steve Rotherham and other colleagues

:18:18. > :18:24.I think we should pay tribute to all of those that spent a great

:18:25. > :18:29.deal of time trying to ensure there was justice for those that

:18:30. > :18:43.Securing trade deals after Brexit will be

:18:44. > :18:45.like "filling a swimming pool with a teaspoon",

:18:46. > :18:46.one of the Government's top infrastructure

:18:47. > :18:49.Labour's Lord Adonis, the head of the National

:18:50. > :18:52.Infrastructure Commission was moving an amendment to the the Queen's

:18:53. > :18:54.Speech regretting that it contained no plan for Britain to remain

:18:55. > :18:59.in the customs union and the single market.

:19:00. > :19:04.If we are leaving the EU, we should not jeopardise our trade with the EU

:19:05. > :19:10.because upon it depends the jobs and prosperity

:19:11. > :19:13.because upon it depends the jobs and prosperity of tens

:19:14. > :19:17.In total, more than 60% of, 60% of our trade is with the

:19:18. > :19:20.EU or third countries where we enjoy free

:19:21. > :19:27.of the customs union and single market membership.

:19:28. > :19:32.My Lords, the Government's Brexit policy is

:19:33. > :19:35.basically one of trying to fill a swimming pool with a teaspoon.

:19:36. > :19:39.It is an interesting and very challenging

:19:40. > :19:41.idea, but don't jump in for about three centuries.

:19:42. > :19:46.Taking back our own control over our own affairs, includes regaining

:19:47. > :19:50.control of our borders and setting our own immigration policies.

:19:51. > :19:54.It is also clear that to respect the referendum outcome,

:19:55. > :20:00.we cannot end up being half in and half out of the EU.

:20:01. > :20:04.So, my Lords, we will be leaving the single market and Customs union.

:20:05. > :20:08.I would approach her job with immense trepidation.

:20:09. > :20:10.She is carrying an invaluable Ming vase across a

:20:11. > :20:17.In the Government's hands is the future our

:20:18. > :20:20.economy and thus the well-being of our people.

:20:21. > :20:22.How the Government negotiates our future with the EU

:20:23. > :20:25.will have immense consequences for the nation.

:20:26. > :20:27.Our businesses, workers, consumers, young people,

:20:28. > :20:37.Every time the minister attacks those who ask questions about the

:20:38. > :20:40.details of Brexit as unpatriotic, people on the continent as well as

:20:41. > :20:42.here become more suspicious that the Government

:20:43. > :20:47.still does not know the answers.

:20:48. > :20:50.To those who want to stop Brexit, and I heard one

:20:51. > :20:53.or two speeches that seem to say they would like to, we must listen

:20:54. > :20:55.to the democratic decision of the people.

:20:56. > :20:58.I was particularly struck by Lord Adonis, who made a very good

:20:59. > :21:00.speech, but it seemed to me that he was ignoring

:21:01. > :21:02.the fact that we had a referendum.

:21:03. > :21:06.The public recognise the need to control our borders.

:21:07. > :21:10.Not least at a time when you publish an

:21:11. > :21:20.increased last year about 580,000 people.

:21:21. > :21:23.Of course we will still, with control, be able to

:21:24. > :21:25.import into this, have come as immigrants into this country people

:21:26. > :21:29.with the necessary skills or the necessary on skilled people

:21:30. > :21:33.with the necessary skills or the necessary unskilled people

:21:34. > :21:37.But the public have made it very clear that they wanted

:21:38. > :21:41.Once one has accepted that, once one has

:21:42. > :21:44.also accepted free trade, the logic is inescapable that one must leave

:21:45. > :21:49.What I believe, and my nose which is close to the

:21:50. > :21:54.ground, is that in the future there will be blood on the streets because

:21:55. > :21:59.at the level that we are, we cannot give the benefit of the doubt, we

:22:00. > :22:02.cannot go to people who we know are not doing

:22:03. > :22:08.as well as we could and say to them, "Let's work together."

:22:09. > :22:11.And when it was said earlier that in fact the poor

:22:12. > :22:14.are going to pay for Brexit, I say, OK.

:22:15. > :22:17.How can the House of Lords and House of Commons stop

:22:18. > :22:26.Back now to the Commons, where Labour's Dame Rosie Winterton

:22:27. > :22:30.has been elected as one of the Commons Deputy Speakers.

:22:31. > :22:34.She'll join Labour MP Lindsay Hoyle and Conservative Eleanor Laing

:22:35. > :22:40.Meanwhile, new MPs have continued making their first

:22:41. > :22:46.There are 84 brand new MPs, here's a smattering of those

:22:47. > :22:52.who spoke in the Queen's speech debate.

:22:53. > :22:55.I come to this house with no gilded lineage, but

:22:56. > :23:00.My mother, born in Britain but grew up in Nigeria,

:23:01. > :23:04.My father, born and bred in Nigeria,

:23:05. > :23:08.Both came to this country in the 1980s in

:23:09. > :23:18.In particular, Mr Deputy Speaker, they believed that a good

:23:19. > :23:23.quality education is the key, not just for giving a child,

:23:24. > :23:27.an individual, a decent start in life, but being

:23:28. > :23:34.future health and prosperity of our society as a whole.

:23:35. > :23:36.As a family doctor, everyday, I have seen too

:23:37. > :23:39.many people who have been left behind.

:23:40. > :23:45.People battling mental health problems, besieged by

:23:46. > :23:47.loneliness and people with learning disabilities

:23:48. > :23:51.This holds people back and it drains their potential.

:23:52. > :23:53.Not only is it unjust, but it is damaging

:23:54. > :23:59.When a person's health becomes so poor that they can't

:24:00. > :24:09.work, or someone's father dies a premature death, we all lose.

:24:10. > :24:17.made on the doorsteps of Edinburgh West last

:24:18. > :24:20.to stand up for the constituents' view,

:24:21. > :24:24.clearly expressed now in two referendums and

:24:25. > :24:26.in the recent general election that while it's overwhelming

:24:27. > :24:29.preference is to remain a part of the EU,

:24:30. > :24:32.they will have no truck with independence

:24:33. > :24:35.will be as part of this United Kingdom.

:24:36. > :24:37.Gordon is an outward-looking constituency.

:24:38. > :24:39.A confident area, an area of optimism and

:24:40. > :24:40.growth, ready to embrace opportunities, including Brexit.

:24:41. > :24:42.Through the democratic process, Gordon has fiercely defended its

:24:43. > :24:49.Madam Deputy Speaker, I would suggest to the

:24:50. > :24:51.honourable members opposite, this country needs to talk up its

:24:52. > :24:55.opportunities, talk up its position in the world and be positive about

:24:56. > :25:07.A new Conservative use to teach medieval history.

:25:08. > :25:08.I see a great many resonances between that

:25:09. > :25:12.You might want to take the Peasants' Revolt, 1381,

:25:13. > :25:14.which started on the high street in Brentwood.

:25:15. > :25:16.A rebellion against vexatious taxation, levied by a

:25:17. > :25:25.I would warn the house that my constituents' attitude

:25:26. > :25:31.to taxation has changed very little in the intervening 636 years.

:25:32. > :25:35.And that's it from me for now, but do join us at the same time

:25:36. > :25:38.tomorrow for another round-up of the day here at Westminster.