0:00:18 > 0:00:22Hello, and welcome to Wednesday in Parliament, our look at the best
0:00:22 > 0:00:24of the day in the Commons and the Lords.
0:00:24 > 0:00:27In a day of high drama at Westminster, MPs tell
0:00:27 > 0:00:29the government to hand over their assessments of the impact
0:00:29 > 0:00:32of Brexit to a committee of MPs.
0:00:32 > 0:00:35With allegations of harassment swirling around Westminster,
0:00:35 > 0:00:38Theresa May says she'll work with other party leaders to get
0:00:38 > 0:00:45a grip on the problem.
0:00:45 > 0:00:50There are proper processes in this Parliament for people to be able to
0:00:50 > 0:00:56report misconduct and for that to be dealt with.
0:00:56 > 0:00:59And a trio of ministers drop- in on the committee corridor,
0:00:59 > 0:01:01including one Foreign Secretary.
0:01:01 > 0:01:07I don't want to deceive the committee.He is making a very good
0:01:07 > 0:01:09job of it!I don't think the committee could be misled by
0:01:09 > 0:01:11anything I have said because I haven't said anything.
0:01:11 > 0:01:13In a development which shook Westminster, the defence
0:01:13 > 0:01:15Secretary Sir Michael Fallon suddenly resigned late on Wednesday,
0:01:15 > 0:01:16following allegations of past behaviour.
0:01:16 > 0:01:18He told the BBC he believed it was the right
0:01:18 > 0:01:20thing to do to resign.
0:01:20 > 0:01:22He said that his behaviour in the past had fallen short
0:01:22 > 0:01:24of the standards expected by the military.
0:01:24 > 0:01:27The BBC understands his decision was not in relation to any
0:01:27 > 0:01:29new or specific allegations.
0:01:29 > 0:01:31He said it was right that the Prime Minister
0:01:31 > 0:01:34and Parliament are now taking this issue seriously.
0:01:34 > 0:01:36Earlier, the Prime Minister has asked other party leaders
0:01:36 > 0:01:38to meet her to discuss an independent process for tackling
0:01:38 > 0:01:44sexual harassment at Westminster.
0:01:44 > 0:01:51Allegations of misconduct by MPs towards more junior staff have been
0:01:51 > 0:01:52surfacing almost daily.
0:01:52 > 0:01:54Mrs May's close colleague, the First Secretary
0:01:54 > 0:01:56of State, Damian Green, has said claims that he made
0:01:56 > 0:01:58inappropriate advances towards a Conservative activist
0:01:58 > 0:01:59are completely false.
0:01:59 > 0:02:00He's contacted his lawyers.
0:02:00 > 0:02:03Damian Green was sitting a few feet away, as Theresa May addressed
0:02:03 > 0:02:11the issue as soon as she stood up at Prime Minister's Question Time.
0:02:11 > 0:02:15Mr Speaker, members on both sides of the House have been deeply concerned
0:02:15 > 0:02:19about allegations of harassment and this treatment here in Westminster.
0:02:19 > 0:02:23This demands a response that is why my right honourable friend, the
0:02:23 > 0:02:25leader of the House, has been meeting with their counterparts and
0:02:25 > 0:02:28we're hoping all sides can work together quickly to resolve this. I
0:02:28 > 0:02:31have written to war party leaders, inviting them to a meeting early
0:02:31 > 0:02:36next week so we can discuss common and independent grievance procedure
0:02:36 > 0:02:40for all of those working in Parliament. We have a duty to ensure
0:02:40 > 0:02:43that everyone coming here to contribute to public life is treated
0:02:43 > 0:02:50with respect.Just put on record that I am happy to meet with the
0:02:50 > 0:02:52Prime Minister and all party leaders to discuss this. We need better
0:02:52 > 0:02:57protections for all in this House. This House must involve workplace
0:02:57 > 0:03:02trade unions in that but it is also incumbent on all parties to have
0:03:02 > 0:03:06robust procedures in place to protect and support victims of
0:03:06 > 0:03:10sexual abuse and harassment.It is absolutely essential, and he is
0:03:10 > 0:03:15right that we have processes that political parties have processes to
0:03:15 > 0:03:21deal with allegations of misconduct and also that obviously we have the
0:03:21 > 0:03:25mysterious code and proper investigations take place against
0:03:25 > 0:03:28the ministerial code when that is appropriate and I believe it is also
0:03:28 > 0:03:33crucial for everyone working in this Parliament, be they working for a
0:03:33 > 0:03:36member of Parliament or the House authorities or a journalist working
0:03:36 > 0:03:41in this Parliament that there are proper processes in this Parliament
0:03:41 > 0:03:45for people to be able to report misconduct and for that to be dealt
0:03:45 > 0:03:50with and I think that is very important and I am grateful for him
0:03:50 > 0:03:55for saying that he will meet with me and I hope other political party
0:03:55 > 0:03:59leaders, I see the leader of the SNP is nodding his head at this point,
0:03:59 > 0:04:03to look at this issue.Can I associate myself with the remarks
0:04:03 > 0:04:07made by the Prime Minister when she spoke about zero tolerance for these
0:04:07 > 0:04:14sexual processes. I would like to work with the government to make
0:04:14 > 0:04:17sure we have a system that we can be proud of to protect all members of
0:04:17 > 0:04:18the houses of Parliament.
0:04:18 > 0:04:20It's long been rumoured that the party whips who enforce
0:04:20 > 0:04:23discipline keep a note of MPs' misdemeanours to use as leverage
0:04:23 > 0:04:24against individuals.
0:04:24 > 0:04:26One Labour MP accused the Prime Minister of ignoring
0:04:26 > 0:04:28concerns about that.
0:04:28 > 0:04:33I would like to thank the Prime Minister for her opening words about
0:04:33 > 0:04:36the role of the revelations this week but can I say to her that three
0:04:36 > 0:04:42years ago I brought evidence to her in this House that whips had used
0:04:42 > 0:04:47information about sexual abuse to demand loyalty from MPs. I brought
0:04:47 > 0:04:51that information to her in this House and I warned her at the time
0:04:51 > 0:04:56that unless real action was taken we risked repeating those injustices
0:04:56 > 0:05:03again today. On three occasions I asked her to act and on three
0:05:03 > 0:05:08occasions she did not so can I ask her, in this, of all weeks, for the
0:05:08 > 0:05:15fourth time will she finally take concrete action to tackle this?I
0:05:15 > 0:05:18will, of course, look back at the questions that the honourable lady
0:05:18 > 0:05:22had said that she raised with me this House. I assume she raised
0:05:22 > 0:05:27those with me when I was Home Secretary. I will say to her that I
0:05:27 > 0:05:32am very clear that the whips office, I hope this goes for all whips
0:05:32 > 0:05:36offices across this House, should make clear to people that where
0:05:36 > 0:05:40there are any sexual abuse allegations that could be of a
0:05:40 > 0:05:44criminal nature that people should go to the police, it is not
0:05:44 > 0:05:47appropriate for those to be dealt with by whips offices, they should
0:05:47 > 0:05:51get the police and that continues to be the case. I will look at the
0:05:51 > 0:05:54questions that she raised with me but I am very clear that we take
0:05:54 > 0:06:00action against those where there are allegations that we see and the
0:06:00 > 0:06:03evidence is there that there has been misconduct.
0:06:04 > 0:06:05Theresa May.
0:06:05 > 0:06:08Ministers don't want to publish the results of studies on 58
0:06:08 > 0:06:10different economic sectors and the impact leaving
0:06:10 > 0:06:12the EU will have on them.
0:06:12 > 0:06:15They say it's because disclosure might damage the UK's
0:06:15 > 0:06:16negotiating position.
0:06:16 > 0:06:19In the Commons, Labour opted to use a rather obscure parliamentary
0:06:19 > 0:06:21technique designed to make a vote on releasing the documents
0:06:21 > 0:06:24binding on the government.
0:06:24 > 0:06:31But let's concentrate on the main substance of the assessments.
0:06:31 > 0:06:37Looking at the list which I have here, two things are obvious. The
0:06:37 > 0:06:40first is that in many ways it is unremarkable and could and should
0:06:40 > 0:06:48have been published months ago. The second is that the wide range of
0:06:48 > 0:06:51sectors analysed demonstrate why it is so important for members of this
0:06:51 > 0:06:58House to see the impact assessments. I am going to highlight three
0:06:58 > 0:07:02sectors on the list. Construction and engineering where there are 2.9
0:07:02 > 0:07:06million jobs involved, medical services and social care, where
0:07:06 > 0:07:10there are 3 million jobs involved and pharmaceuticals where there are
0:07:10 > 0:07:1450,000 jobs involved. These are just three of the 58 sectors and it is
0:07:14 > 0:07:15obvious why this is of such importance.
0:07:15 > 0:07:17But one Conservative didn't like the way Labour
0:07:17 > 0:07:20was going about this.
0:07:20 > 0:07:27This is a foolish and irresponsible debate to have been called. He knows
0:07:27 > 0:07:32that there is a blanket ban on disclosing advice to ministers. It
0:07:32 > 0:07:36is in the ministerial code and in the civil service code, that is
0:07:36 > 0:07:40absolutely standard. It is normal for select committees themselves to
0:07:40 > 0:07:45request information, not to get the official opposition to do it on
0:07:45 > 0:07:48their behalf. This is gameplay.
0:07:48 > 0:07:52Sir Keir Starmer was surprised at Bernard Jenkin's remarks.
0:07:52 > 0:07:56This is a shared concern across the House. That intervention, I am
0:07:56 > 0:08:00afraid, is typical of what has been going on for 16 or 17 months, which
0:08:00 > 0:08:08is that every time somebody raises a legitimate question it is suggested
0:08:08 > 0:08:10that somehow they are frustrating or undermining the process.
0:08:10 > 0:08:12The Brexit minister said many thousand of documents
0:08:12 > 0:08:18were being prepared with regard to the UK's exit from EU.
0:08:18 > 0:08:21Some of these would not undermine our negotiating position though
0:08:21 > 0:08:25others might have more of an impact. The House will appreciate that the
0:08:25 > 0:08:28more information that is shed more widely the less secure our
0:08:28 > 0:08:31negotiating position and the harder it becomes to secure the right deal
0:08:31 > 0:08:35for the British people. The House is the right to require the release of
0:08:35 > 0:08:41documents but I sincerely hope in what is requested in terms of how
0:08:41 > 0:08:44they guaranteed confidentiality going forward and how much is
0:08:44 > 0:08:47guaranteed, the select committee and the House will be mindful of the job
0:08:47 > 0:08:51that ministers need to do and that job is to secure the vital national
0:08:51 > 0:08:55interest of the United Kingdom as we negotiate our departure from the
0:08:55 > 0:08:59European Union.We can discuss all sorts of processes and whether it
0:08:59 > 0:09:03will undermine negotiations but will you not agree that withholding this
0:09:03 > 0:09:07information is now becoming very counter-productive and it looks like
0:09:07 > 0:09:12it is hiding bad news.Absolutely! The government will always take a
0:09:12 > 0:09:16careful view where we have disclosed plenty of information during the
0:09:16 > 0:09:20course of this process where we see it is in the national interest to do
0:09:20 > 0:09:25so, of course we will.The damage caused by Brexit could be even worse
0:09:25 > 0:09:31than any of us had previously feared and that would weaken the UK 's
0:09:31 > 0:09:35negotiating position. It would fatally undermined the UK's
0:09:35 > 0:09:39negotiating position. It could be that analysis shows that Brexit is
0:09:39 > 0:09:43such a catastrophic decision that we shouldn't do it at all. What kind of
0:09:43 > 0:09:46government in possession of that kind of information would choose to
0:09:46 > 0:09:50hide it rather than to act on it? It seems to me that the only scenario
0:09:50 > 0:09:55in which releasing any information can possibly undermine the UK's
0:09:55 > 0:09:59position is if that information shows that the damage caused by
0:09:59 > 0:10:02Brexit is worse than any previous analysis has indicated.
0:10:02 > 0:10:04The chairman of the Brexit Committee said impact assessments
0:10:04 > 0:10:07were published all the time.
0:10:07 > 0:10:12But on the single most important decision that we have taken because
0:10:12 > 0:10:16of the result of the referendum, as the country since the end of the
0:10:16 > 0:10:20Second World War, nothing has been published in the way of an impact
0:10:20 > 0:10:24assessment by government.As to the papers themselves, I have no
0:10:24 > 0:10:27particular view that this is a normal circumstances a matter for
0:10:27 > 0:10:31the government and I would have gone along with the government had it
0:10:31 > 0:10:34wished to oppose today's motion, but in the event that it does not it
0:10:34 > 0:10:42must publish these papers to the Brexit select committee in full.
0:10:42 > 0:10:45People like me except that we are going to leave the European Union
0:10:45 > 0:10:50but I am not going to stand by and see the future of my children's
0:10:50 > 0:10:54generation and the grandchildren that I hope will follow being
0:10:54 > 0:11:00trashed and ruined without any form of debate and disclosure as to the
0:11:00 > 0:11:05consequences, and arguably the options that might be available, as
0:11:05 > 0:11:08disclosed in all these documents that cover, as we know, so many
0:11:08 > 0:11:14sectors in so many ways. This is grown-up, Sirius Star. The days of
0:11:14 > 0:11:23carping from the sidelines, I say to honourable members on this side,
0:11:23 > 0:11:26have gone. You have one and you are in charge of this and now you have
0:11:26 > 0:11:29to face up to the responsibility of delivering a Brexit that works for
0:11:29 > 0:11:31everybody in this country and for generations to come.
0:11:31 > 0:11:33And in dramatic, if confusing, scenes at the end of the debate,
0:11:33 > 0:11:36the Government abstained on the motion, which meant Labour's
0:11:36 > 0:11:38call for the documents to be handed over was passed.
0:11:38 > 0:11:41MPs then demanded ministers act on the Commons' vote.
0:11:41 > 0:11:45You're watching Wednesday in Parliament with me, Mandy Baker.
0:11:48 > 0:11:50Now, a string of Secretaries of State sat down in front
0:11:50 > 0:11:52of committees this Wednesday.
0:11:52 > 0:11:55And one of them was Michael Gove.
0:11:55 > 0:11:58The question facing him was: will the price of our food
0:11:58 > 0:11:59go up after Brexit?
0:11:59 > 0:12:02And if so, by how much?
0:12:02 > 0:12:05It's one of the issues a Committee of Peers is looking into.
0:12:05 > 0:12:07Lord Krebs, a former Chairman of the Food Standards Agency,
0:12:07 > 0:12:11told the Environment Secretary that some of the major retailers
0:12:11 > 0:12:15believed that cutting formal ties with the EU,
0:12:15 > 0:12:17or leaving with no deal at all, would result
0:12:17 > 0:12:20in significant price increases.
0:12:20 > 0:12:27The chairman of Sainsbury's estimated about 10% or thereabouts,
0:12:27 > 0:12:30so I wondered what the figures are that your officials have come up
0:12:30 > 0:12:32with in different scenarios?
0:12:32 > 0:12:34I think it's almost impossible to predict with accuracy,
0:12:34 > 0:12:38for a variety of reasons.
0:12:38 > 0:12:41One of them is that some of the biggest factors which bear
0:12:41 > 0:12:45on food prices are beyond any politician's control,
0:12:45 > 0:12:49so there are world commodity prices, and it's also the case
0:12:49 > 0:12:52that there are the prices of inputs, like energy and so on.
0:12:52 > 0:12:55It's also the case that, if you have reform in the supply chain,
0:12:55 > 0:13:00you can also bring prices down and ensure that you have a greater
0:13:00 > 0:13:04degree of competitiveness.
0:13:04 > 0:13:08So tariff barriers are simply one factor in many that
0:13:08 > 0:13:10help to determine what food prices might be.
0:13:10 > 0:13:17It is the case that, if we were to have significant
0:13:17 > 0:13:20tariff barriers, then we would find ourselves in a position where,
0:13:20 > 0:13:27depending on the foodstuff, the tariffs in their own terms
0:13:27 > 0:13:30could add to what otherwise might be the cost of food,
0:13:30 > 0:13:33but it is also the case that, if you erect tariff barriers,
0:13:33 > 0:13:36then there will be a process of import substitution as well,
0:13:36 > 0:13:40and it may well be the case that, at the same time as there
0:13:40 > 0:13:48being domestic suppliers replacing those who were exporting to this
0:13:48 > 0:13:51country, you might also find that there are opportunities
0:13:51 > 0:13:54to ensure that those domestic suppliers become more efficient.
0:13:54 > 0:14:01Michael Gove.
0:14:01 > 0:14:06All of this is a way of saying that to focus purely on the process of
0:14:06 > 0:14:10leaving the European Union and the moment at which we leave and the
0:14:10 > 0:14:14creation of any tariffs as having a decisive impact on food prices in
0:14:14 > 0:14:18the absence of anything else is to look only at one part of the
0:14:18 > 0:14:24landscape.Since the food industry has come up with estimates of its
0:14:24 > 0:14:29own, perhaps I can put the question the other way around, do you agree
0:14:29 > 0:14:33or disagree with what the chairman of Sainsbury's and British Retail
0:14:33 > 0:14:36Consortium are saying?I have huge respect for everything that they had
0:14:36 > 0:14:40said and I wouldn't want my name or my department 's name alongside any
0:14:40 > 0:14:47specific prediction.I will take that as a no, you do not agree.I do
0:14:47 > 0:14:52not want to be impolite to people who I think are doing a great job in
0:14:52 > 0:14:59running fantastic industries but I... We must choose our own words
0:14:59 > 0:15:03carefully so I wouldn't want to disagree or distance myself from
0:15:03 > 0:15:07them, simply say that I would express my own approach towards
0:15:07 > 0:15:14these issues in a slightly different way.You saw that the impact Brexit
0:15:14 > 0:15:23on food prices is a problem but are you prepared to release anything to
0:15:23 > 0:15:29the public?The first thing I would say is as the Secretary of State for
0:15:29 > 0:15:32exiting European Union has made clear, it is a very important
0:15:32 > 0:15:36addition of the UK civil service that it should be able to offer
0:15:36 > 0:15:41advice to ministers candidly and that there should be, as the
0:15:41 > 0:15:44secretary of state pointed out a safe space during which civil
0:15:44 > 0:15:48servants can offer advice ministers can challenge and you can have a
0:15:48 > 0:15:51robust conversation that would go on to show good policy. The second
0:15:51 > 0:15:57thing to is that while I have the highest regard for civil servants,
0:15:57 > 0:16:02it is not as though within the department or anywhere else there is
0:16:02 > 0:16:08a magic formula that can explain what will happen post-Brexit which
0:16:08 > 0:16:16nobody else could possibly access so supermarkets have made their
0:16:16 > 0:16:19judgment and other economists have made theirs and it is impossible to
0:16:19 > 0:16:23predict with accuracy but what the informed citizen can do is to look
0:16:23 > 0:16:27at a variety of factors and draw their own conclusions about what the
0:16:27 > 0:16:29policy interventions should be in order to achieve the maximum
0:16:29 > 0:16:34possible benefit.
0:16:34 > 0:16:35Michael Gove.
0:16:35 > 0:16:38Another Secretary of State to face a committee was Boris Johnson.
0:16:38 > 0:16:41He told the Foreign Affairs Committee that he's not seen any
0:16:41 > 0:16:42evidence that Russia interfered in British elections.
0:16:42 > 0:16:43He was asked about a possible Russian role in UK affairs.
0:16:44 > 0:16:47Is it your belief that the Russians have played any role in British
0:16:47 > 0:16:52elections and referendums?
0:16:52 > 0:16:55I haven't seen any evidence of that.
0:16:55 > 0:17:03You seem uncertain about whether you've seen it or you haven't.
0:17:03 > 0:17:11I can confirm to you, Mr Bryant, that I don't think...
0:17:11 > 0:17:12I haven't seen...
0:17:12 > 0:17:13Not a sausage!
0:17:13 > 0:17:14Niet!
0:17:14 > 0:17:17So you don't think the Russians played any role or sought to play
0:17:17 > 0:17:19any role in the elections?
0:17:19 > 0:17:22I don't know about sought to play but, as far as I know,
0:17:22 > 0:17:23they have played no role.
0:17:23 > 0:17:26During more than two hours in front of the committee,
0:17:26 > 0:17:28Boris Johnson was asked about relations with many countries
0:17:28 > 0:17:30and many organisations.
0:17:30 > 0:17:32The new chairman of the committee, the Conservative Tom Tugendat, had
0:17:32 > 0:17:35a question about the Islamist group Hamas.
0:17:35 > 0:17:40Does the UK have any direct links with Hamas?
0:17:40 > 0:17:50We, obviously, talk to a wide range of people across the world.
0:17:51 > 0:17:58I'm sure that, in the course of contacts with...
0:17:58 > 0:18:00I wouldn't want to rule out, Mr Chairman...
0:18:00 > 0:18:03Is that a yes?
0:18:03 > 0:18:05I wouldn't want to rule out or to mislead the
0:18:05 > 0:18:08committee on this matter.
0:18:08 > 0:18:10I wouldn't want to exclude the possibility of our talking
0:18:10 > 0:18:16to Hamas but, let me just say, on Hamas, that...
0:18:16 > 0:18:19That's not a yes or a no, is it?
0:18:19 > 0:18:22No, it's not!
0:18:22 > 0:18:27I don't want to exclude the possibility that we are...
0:18:27 > 0:18:31In the end, good diplomacy involves talking to all sorts of people
0:18:31 > 0:18:33who are not necessarily...
0:18:33 > 0:18:34That sounds like a yes!
0:18:34 > 0:18:36I think that sounds like a yes!
0:18:36 > 0:18:37I'm not saying...
0:18:37 > 0:18:42I don't wish to disappoint you, but I'm not going to offer you...
0:18:42 > 0:18:43Are you aware of any contact?
0:18:43 > 0:18:48If I were, I couldn't tell you.
0:18:48 > 0:18:53What I will say is that...
0:18:53 > 0:18:55I don't want to mislead the committee.
0:18:55 > 0:18:57You're doing a very good job of it!
0:18:57 > 0:19:00On the country!
0:19:00 > 0:19:02I don't think the committee can possibly be misled
0:19:02 > 0:19:05by anything I've said since I haven't said anything...
0:19:05 > 0:19:06Exactly!
0:19:06 > 0:19:08..on this matter!
0:19:08 > 0:19:10Boris Johnson.
0:19:10 > 0:19:12And not to be left out, Liam Fox appeared before
0:19:12 > 0:19:14the International Trade Committee.
0:19:14 > 0:19:17He said he was "frustrated" by the fact that the European Council
0:19:17 > 0:19:21had not yet given the green light for talks to move on from any
0:19:21 > 0:19:24divorce deal to discuss the future trade relationship.
0:19:24 > 0:19:29I am very keen that we get a deal with the European Union,
0:19:29 > 0:19:33but I'm not afraid of not getting a deal and I think that we need
0:19:33 > 0:19:36to work within those parameters.
0:19:36 > 0:19:39I think that those who say we want the deal at any price
0:19:39 > 0:19:42undermine our negotiating hand, and those who say we want no deal
0:19:42 > 0:19:45and we want to walk away are not taking a realistic view
0:19:45 > 0:19:46of our economic position.
0:19:46 > 0:19:48Are you not equally frustrated by the lukewarm
0:19:48 > 0:19:51attitude of the Chancellor of the Exchequer towards Brexit?
0:19:51 > 0:19:53I had a very constructive meeting with the Chancellor yesterday,
0:19:53 > 0:19:55and it was far from lukewarm!
0:19:55 > 0:19:59Nigel Evans turned to the European Union's attitude to Brexit.
0:19:59 > 0:20:03There does seem to be this image that certain people
0:20:03 > 0:20:05within the European Union just want to punish Britain to stop
0:20:05 > 0:20:09anybody else from leaving and to also pay us back,
0:20:09 > 0:20:11so who do think is going to win this battle?
0:20:11 > 0:20:14I think the language, which is regrettable,
0:20:14 > 0:20:17that some people want to punish Britain for leaving in case
0:20:17 > 0:20:21any other people would want to leave is the language of a gang,
0:20:21 > 0:20:23not the language of the club.
0:20:23 > 0:20:26And I think I think it should be avoided because it doesn't make...
0:20:26 > 0:20:28Who's employing that language, do you feel?
0:20:28 > 0:20:30Is that the language of the European Union?
0:20:30 > 0:20:36I think there have been some unwise phrases used.
0:20:36 > 0:20:39I think it's much better for us to get away from the hyperbole.
0:20:39 > 0:20:41In the longer term, it's in the interests
0:20:41 > 0:20:44of all European Union citizens to maintain an open liberal
0:20:44 > 0:20:49trading environment, and I would add, one thing to that -
0:20:49 > 0:20:51to go back to the international investors...
0:20:51 > 0:20:52Just a minute.
0:20:52 > 0:20:54Would part of that hyperbole be that the European Union
0:20:54 > 0:20:56will whistle for its money?
0:20:56 > 0:20:59I think we need to stay away from language that suggests we don't
0:20:59 > 0:21:03want to deal or we want a deal at any price.
0:21:03 > 0:21:06You campaigned vigorously for Leave and you stood by that bus that said
0:21:06 > 0:21:08£350 million would be saved every week from leaving
0:21:08 > 0:21:10the European Union.
0:21:10 > 0:21:14Are you prepared for any of that money to be paid to the EU
0:21:14 > 0:21:17to access the single market on a favourable trade deal?
0:21:17 > 0:21:21Well, if I am, with due respect, I'm not going to set out any Cabinet
0:21:21 > 0:21:26negotiation position here, and I think that we need,
0:21:26 > 0:21:31before we make any offer on any financial settlement,
0:21:31 > 0:21:35to know what we're getting as that end stage, and I think,
0:21:35 > 0:21:38as I said to one of my fellow ministers in another country,
0:21:38 > 0:21:42would they be willing to guarantee us a sum of money before we told
0:21:42 > 0:21:44them what the agreement that we were signing up to was,
0:21:44 > 0:21:48and they said absolutely not, so why should we?
0:21:48 > 0:21:50The committee moved on to contingency planning
0:21:50 > 0:21:52in the event there was no deal.
0:21:52 > 0:21:56Would you advise the private sector to develop contingency plans
0:21:56 > 0:21:59and to execute them for a no deal?
0:21:59 > 0:22:01No, because, on balance, at the present time,
0:22:01 > 0:22:05I think that we are more likely to get a deal, but I think it
0:22:05 > 0:22:11would be reasonable for them to develop such plans.
0:22:11 > 0:22:13Clearly, the longer we take to get into end state discussions
0:22:13 > 0:22:16with the European Union, the greater the likelihood that
0:22:16 > 0:22:19people would want to implement as well as develop, which is why
0:22:19 > 0:22:22I think it's in all our interests to get into those end state
0:22:22 > 0:22:24discussions as early as possible so that business has greater
0:22:24 > 0:22:26certainty about what the potential end state looks like.
0:22:26 > 0:22:29Liam Fox.
0:22:29 > 0:22:32A Labour peer has said he's sent the Chancellor details of a British
0:22:32 > 0:22:34bank's involvement in laundering money allegedly stolen
0:22:34 > 0:22:39from South Africa.
0:22:39 > 0:22:41The former Cabinet minister and one-time anti-apartheid
0:22:41 > 0:22:44campaigner Lord Hain has previously named other financial institutions
0:22:44 > 0:22:47involved in a corruption scandal linked to the wealthy Gupta family
0:22:47 > 0:22:51and the South African President Jacob Zuma.
0:22:51 > 0:22:53In the Lords, the peer gave a warning.
0:22:53 > 0:22:57There are disturbing questions, around both the complicity,
0:22:57 > 0:23:01witting or unwitting, of UK global financial
0:23:01 > 0:23:05institutions in the Gupta-Zuma transnational criminal network,
0:23:05 > 0:23:09and also about these institutions' wilful blindness to the reality
0:23:09 > 0:23:14that the laundering process most often necessitates financial systems
0:23:14 > 0:23:17with lax regulation and controls.
0:23:17 > 0:23:19Unless we urgently find ways to leverage our respective
0:23:19 > 0:23:23capabilities to coordinate and influence action
0:23:23 > 0:23:27between the law-enforcement and banking sectors domestically
0:23:27 > 0:23:30here in the UK and globally, we cannot win this battle.
0:23:30 > 0:23:35Mr Zuma and the Guptas deny any wrongdoing.
0:23:35 > 0:23:38A report into the experiences of the families of the Hillsborough
0:23:38 > 0:23:41victims has called for a change in culture to stop the "burning
0:23:41 > 0:23:46injustice" in the way bereaved relatives are treated.
0:23:46 > 0:23:51It was in 1989 that 96 Liverpool fans died in the crush at an FA Cup
0:23:51 > 0:23:55semifinal match against Nottingham Forest.
0:23:55 > 0:23:57In a second inquest into the tragedy last year, the coroner ruled
0:23:57 > 0:24:00they were unlawfully killed.
0:24:00 > 0:24:04At Prime Minister's Questions, the report was raised by a Labour MP.
0:24:04 > 0:24:08An hour ago, the government published this report -
0:24:08 > 0:24:11the Patronising Disposition of Unaccountable Power.
0:24:11 > 0:24:13It's a report of right reverend James Jones,
0:24:13 > 0:24:17which the Prime Minister herself commissioned to ensure that the pain
0:24:17 > 0:24:21and suffering of the Hillsborough families is not repeated.
0:24:21 > 0:24:25But, Mr Speaker, given what we've heard in this session and given
0:24:25 > 0:24:29the events surrounding the Grenfell Tower disaster,
0:24:29 > 0:24:33I think that I worry that the pain and suffering of the Hillsborough
0:24:33 > 0:24:37families is already being repeated.
0:24:37 > 0:24:41So can the Prime Minister commit her government to supporting
0:24:41 > 0:24:45both the duty of candour for all public officials and,
0:24:45 > 0:24:48as this report requires, and end to public bodies spending
0:24:48 > 0:24:52limitless funds, providing themselves with representation
0:24:52 > 0:25:00which surpasses that available to families?
0:25:00 > 0:25:02I've always been very clear that the experience
0:25:02 > 0:25:05that the Hillsborough families had should not be repeated.
0:25:05 > 0:25:08That's why we have looked and we are committed to the concept
0:25:08 > 0:25:11of the public advocate, because we want to ensure that
0:25:11 > 0:25:15people have the support that they need, and it's important
0:25:15 > 0:25:18that we learn the lessons from Hillsborough.
0:25:18 > 0:25:20I was, as she knows, involved in making the decision that
0:25:20 > 0:25:25enabled the Hillsborough families to have legal support on a basis
0:25:25 > 0:25:28that I felt was fair in relation to the other parties involved
0:25:28 > 0:25:33in that inquest, and I can assure her that we will not forget
0:25:33 > 0:25:35the Hillsborough families.
0:25:35 > 0:25:36Theresa May.
0:25:36 > 0:25:38And that's all we've got time for.
0:25:38 > 0:25:44So from me, Mandy Baker, goodbye.