0:00:22 > 0:00:27Coming up in the next half-hour defeat for the Government on the
0:00:27 > 0:00:44Brexit bill. The ayes to the right 209, the noes 305.CHEERING
0:00:44 > 0:00:48Order!
0:00:51 > 0:00:58I'm sure you want to hear the result to make sure it is correct. The ayes
0:00:58 > 0:01:06to the right, 309. The noes to the left, 305. The ayes Cavett, the ayes
0:01:06 > 0:01:16habit. A lock. Hear, hear!.And last minute ... Downing Street was said
0:01:16 > 0:01:21it was the disappointed despite strong assurances. The Government
0:01:21 > 0:01:28will now decide if further changes to the Bill are needed.
0:01:28 > 0:01:33Throughout the seven a detailed consideration of the EU rebellion
0:01:33 > 0:01:37bill it was afoot. It was the fault of Klaus mine. I know you're
0:01:37 > 0:01:41following diminution of this so I want me to tell you, but just in
0:01:41 > 0:01:45case, Clause nine combines the twin concerns of government is taking
0:01:45 > 0:01:48power away from Parliament and whether Parliament will get a
0:01:48 > 0:01:53meaningful vote before the deal was finalised. The key amendment was
0:01:53 > 0:01:56number seven table by the former conservative Attorney-General,
0:01:56 > 0:02:01Dominic grieve. The Debate ran for eight hours, but the arguments began
0:02:01 > 0:02:06even before with curtain raiser at Prime Minister's question.The Prime
0:02:06 > 0:02:11Minister says she wants a meaningful vote on Brexit before we leave the
0:02:11 > 0:02:17European Union event at the last moment, would she be so good as to
0:02:17 > 0:02:21accept the right honourable and learned gentleman's amendment seven
0:02:21 > 0:02:29in the spirit of unity for everybody here and in the country. Hear, hear!
0:02:29 > 0:02:32My right honourable friend makes an important point about the concerns
0:02:32 > 0:02:35that people have had in this House about having a meaningful vote on
0:02:35 > 0:02:40this particular issue before we complete the deal. As I set out in
0:02:40 > 0:02:45the earlier answer I gave to my right honourable friend that is what
0:02:45 > 0:02:50we will have. We will ensure that there is a meaningful vote on this,
0:02:50 > 0:02:54and this House that will then be an opportunity for Parliament to look
0:02:54 > 0:02:58at the withdrawal agreement and implementation bill. The fact that
0:02:58 > 0:03:02there will be no meaningful vote has been set out, confirm by my right
0:03:02 > 0:03:06honourable friend the Brexit Secretary or an Everett and
0:03:06 > 0:03:11ministerial statement today. We were very clear that we won't commit any
0:03:11 > 0:03:14statutory instruments until that meaningful vote has taken place, but
0:03:14 > 0:03:19as currently drafted, what the amendment says is that we should not
0:03:19 > 0:03:22make any of those, put any of those arrangements for statutory
0:03:22 > 0:03:26instruments into place until the withdrawal agreement has read the
0:03:26 > 0:03:31statute book. That could be at a very late stage in the proceedings
0:03:31 > 0:03:36which could mean that we're not able to have the orderly and smooth exit
0:03:36 > 0:03:44from the European Union that we to have.And so the scene was set in
0:03:44 > 0:03:48the real debate again.The reality of this bill is that it would allow,
0:03:48 > 0:03:53and Clause nine, allow Ministers to start implementing it withdrawal
0:03:53 > 0:03:56agreement entirely through secondary legislation and allow Ministers to
0:03:56 > 0:04:01do so even before Parliament has endorsed the withdrawal agreement.
0:04:01 > 0:04:05We are recovering from a situation where as members of the European
0:04:05 > 0:04:09Union we have handed over these decisions lock stock and barrel to
0:04:09 > 0:04:14the European Union. This is a massive improvement. To address this
0:04:14 > 0:04:22attempt to reverse Brexit...That is absolute rubbish!It is nothing but
0:04:22 > 0:04:32a can't.Oh my, what Stalinism is this that somehow any attempt to
0:04:32 > 0:04:38disagree with the way in which this bill is drawn up is somehow a
0:04:38 > 0:04:44betrayal of Brexit. What rubbish!Is not a question I may say to my
0:04:44 > 0:04:50desperately paranoid Eurosceptic friends that somehow I am trying in
0:04:50 > 0:04:55some surreptitious, Remainer weight, to put a spoke in the wheels of the
0:04:55 > 0:05:00fast progress of the United Kingdom towards the destination to which we
0:05:00 > 0:05:09are going. They don't know what we've mean.And the case of
0:05:09 > 0:05:13amendment seven we seem to frankly have run out of road, and what
0:05:13 > 0:05:18happens in the circumstances, I regret to say is that all rational
0:05:18 > 0:05:24discourse starts to evaporate. The purpose of the amendment the nature
0:05:24 > 0:05:29of it is entirely lost and eight confrontation in which it is
0:05:29 > 0:05:33suggested that the underlying purpose is the sabotage of the will
0:05:33 > 0:05:39of the people, which it most manifestly is not. Hear, hear! That
0:05:39 > 0:05:42is then followed by a hurling a public abuse, large numbers of
0:05:42 > 0:05:46people telling one that one is a traitor. Some, I have to say with
0:05:46 > 0:05:50regret of one's honourable and right are no more fines, saying things
0:05:50 > 0:05:57which I find slightly startling. Amendment seven is very well
0:05:57 > 0:06:00drafted, I don't think it's deficient. We will definitely
0:06:00 > 0:06:06support it and withdraw a New Clause 66 if you press to do a vote. And
0:06:06 > 0:06:13then I will conclude by saying... I give we.This amendment either has
0:06:13 > 0:06:16to be accepted by my honourable friend on the Treasury bench there
0:06:16 > 0:06:21will be put to a vote.Hear, hear! I'm very pleased to hear that and we
0:06:21 > 0:06:25will support him and the amendment and that eventuality. Hear, hear! We
0:06:25 > 0:06:33need to reserve the ability to use Clause nine as soon as practically.
0:06:33 > 0:06:36If we waited for Royal assent for final legislation and might be too
0:06:36 > 0:06:40late and we will be too squeezed for time, even then scenario where we
0:06:40 > 0:06:44reach an agreement in October as is our current aim. Critically, and I'm
0:06:44 > 0:06:48not sure all honourable members that picked this up, but the power only
0:06:48 > 0:06:52emperors until exited. Shorter than the operation of the Clause seven
0:06:52 > 0:06:55and in practice on the Government's current expected timetable it would
0:06:55 > 0:06:59in fact his only be used for around six months. Its not be used for
0:06:59 > 0:07:02around six months. It's not the open-ended power like some have
0:07:02 > 0:07:05suggested an good-faith.The Government was standing firm, but
0:07:05 > 0:07:10just as the 11th hour was approaching, this happened.I can
0:07:10 > 0:07:14tell my honourable friend that we are willing to return at report
0:07:14 > 0:07:17stage to put an amendment on the face of the Bill making crystal
0:07:17 > 0:07:20clear that statutory instruments under Clause mind will not enter
0:07:20 > 0:07:26into force until we've had a meaningful in Parliament.But was it
0:07:26 > 0:07:31enough?I have to say, it is too late. I'm sorry. You cannot treat
0:07:31 > 0:07:37the House in this fashion. And she may agree with me that the best way
0:07:37 > 0:07:41of actually getting progress in this area is by moving amendment seven in
0:07:41 > 0:07:45securing and then delete back there after we can co-operate.The
0:07:45 > 0:07:48Government lost by four votes. You're watching Tuesday in
0:07:48 > 0:07:55Parliament with me Mandy Baker. Well, the day was not all about
0:07:55 > 0:08:05Brexit.
0:08:06 > 0:08:10Over an increase in the waiting list for social housing, but the session
0:08:10 > 0:08:14started on a more sombre note as the party leaders remembered the fire at
0:08:14 > 0:08:19Grenfell Tower in west London in June.This week marks the six-month
0:08:19 > 0:08:24anniversary of the Grenfell Tower fire. I will be attending the
0:08:24 > 0:08:26national memorial service tomorrow and I'm sure I speak for members
0:08:26 > 0:08:30across the House when I say it remains at the forefront of our
0:08:30 > 0:08:33minds is a truly unimaginable tragedy and should never have
0:08:33 > 0:08:37happened. Many who survived the fires lost everything that night,
0:08:37 > 0:08:40and I can assure the House that we continue to do everything we can to
0:08:40 > 0:08:44support those affected and take the necessary steps to make sure it can
0:08:44 > 0:08:56never happen again.This week does indeed Mark six months since the
0:08:56 > 0:08:59avoidable and tragic fire at Grenfell Tower which took the lives
0:08:59 > 0:09:01of 71 people and injured and traumatised many more, and I too
0:09:01 > 0:09:04will be at the service tomorrow in memory of them. But that fire also
0:09:04 > 0:09:06shone a light on the neglect of working-class community all over
0:09:06 > 0:09:08this country. And since this Government came to power,
0:09:08 > 0:09:14homelessness is up by 50%. Rough sleeping has doubled. Homelessness
0:09:14 > 0:09:19and rough sleeping have doubled every single year -- risen every
0:09:19 > 0:09:23single year since 2010. Will the Prime Minister pledged today that
0:09:23 > 0:09:272018 will be the year when homelessness starts to go down?
0:09:27 > 0:09:33Hear, hear!Across the cells we don't want to see anybody who is
0:09:33 > 0:09:37homeless or sleeping rough on our streets. That is why the Government
0:09:37 > 0:09:42is putting £500 million into the question of homelessness. That's why
0:09:42 > 0:09:46we backed the Bill that was brought forward by my honourable friend, the
0:09:46 > 0:09:52Member for Brent, I'm sorry for Harrow. And it's why we have ensured
0:09:52 > 0:09:56that we are putting into place a number of projects that will deal
0:09:56 > 0:10:00with this issue of rough sleeping.I asked the Prime Minister for a
0:10:00 > 0:10:05pledge to reduce the amount of homelessness next year. The pledge
0:10:05 > 0:10:09was not forthcoming. 128,000 children will spend Christmas
0:10:09 > 0:10:16without a home to call their own. 60% up on 2010. It's too late for
0:10:16 > 0:10:22this Christmas, but will the Prime Minister promised out by Christmas
0:10:22 > 0:10:282018, fewer children will be without a home to call their own?I say to
0:10:28 > 0:10:32the right honourable gentleman, again, that we of course want every
0:10:32 > 0:10:37child to wake up and their own home. Particularly at Christmas, but it is
0:10:37 > 0:10:40incredibly important, even though they can keep a roof over their
0:10:40 > 0:10:42heads in the most desperate circumstances, that is why we making
0:10:42 > 0:10:46sure that councils can place families and it brought a range of
0:10:46 > 0:10:49homes that they fall into the circumstances.Jeremy Corbyn turn to
0:10:49 > 0:10:54the state of privately rented houses.When it comes to housing, Mr
0:10:54 > 0:10:59Speaker, this government has an absolute disgrace. After seven
0:10:59 > 0:11:06years, more people are living on the streets. More families in temporary
0:11:06 > 0:11:10accommodation. More families and homes not fit for human habitation,
0:11:10 > 0:11:16and fewer people owning their own home. One is this government going
0:11:16 > 0:11:19to get out of the pockets of property speculators and rogue
0:11:19 > 0:11:24landlords and get on the side of tenants and people with out a home
0:11:24 > 0:11:33of their own this Christmas?Prime Minister.Under Labour, health
0:11:33 > 0:11:38building down, homes bought and sold down, and social housing down. One
0:11:38 > 0:11:41thing, I'll tell him one thing did go up under the last Labour
0:11:41 > 0:11:47government, the number of people on the social housing waiting list.
0:11:47 > 0:11:531.74 million people waiting for a home under a Labour government.
0:11:53 > 0:12:01Staying with PMQs, the SM SNP leader and Blackford urged
0:12:01 > 0:12:06the Prime Minister... To close branches. The bank has announced
0:12:06 > 0:12:15that it is shedding more than 250 branches in the UK.
0:12:15 > 0:12:16including nearly 200 operating
0:12:16 > 0:12:20under the NatWest banner.
0:12:20 > 0:12:26In 2017, the Royal Bank of Scotland are paying us back by turning their
0:12:26 > 0:12:29backs and 259 of our communities. Given we have the majority
0:12:29 > 0:12:32shareholder, will be Prime Minister stepped in and tell the Royal Bank
0:12:32 > 0:12:36of Scotland to stick to their commitment and not close the last
0:12:36 > 0:12:42bank entirely?I think my right honourable gentleman knows the
0:12:42 > 0:12:45decision to open and close branches is a commercial decision taken by
0:12:45 > 0:12:50the banks without intervention from the Government but we recognise the
0:12:50 > 0:12:53impact this has on communities and the Secretary of State for Scotland
0:12:53 > 0:12:58raise concerns of the housing expressed on this issue in the
0:12:58 > 0:13:01meeting with RBS.She said the Government wanted to ensure all
0:13:01 > 0:13:06customers have access to bank.Or not is why we established the access
0:13:06 > 0:13:10to banking standards which commits banks to carry out a number of sets
0:13:10 > 0:13:13before closing a branch Post Office have also reached an agreement with
0:13:13 > 0:13:18banks that will allow my customers to use post office services.The
0:13:18 > 0:13:22Labour MP said she did not have a clue about the concerns of
0:13:22 > 0:13:27small-town.And they don't has to market towns have been so that they
0:13:27 > 0:13:32are not West bridges are to close. That is too more on top of a
0:13:32 > 0:13:36record-breaking 700 bank branch closures this year and that is
0:13:36 > 0:13:43despite delivering 13.5 billion half-year profits. For the Prime
0:13:43 > 0:13:46Minister admit that the Government's access to banking protocol has
0:13:46 > 0:13:50failed to keep a single branch opened and will she restore the bank
0:13:50 > 0:13:54levy and use some of it to stop communities losing their last bank
0:13:54 > 0:14:10branch.Ancillary, she said they were raising more than the banks
0:14:10 > 0:14:21did. But calls for changing the law, and England or Wales were debated by
0:14:21 > 0:14:29MPs in Hall. Young when a person commits horrendous kinds, they
0:14:29 > 0:14:32cannot be allowed to pull the strings from inside a prison cell. I
0:14:32 > 0:14:38have seen cases where convicted sex offender has the rights of the
0:14:38 > 0:14:42father. And influences the lives of the children who were his
0:14:42 > 0:14:53victims all
0:14:58 > 0:15:02stoppedshould have specialist training to it understand the
0:15:02 > 0:15:06dynamics. And to be able to recognise coercive, controllers and
0:15:06 > 0:15:11the tactics used by abusive parents, to mutilate that children of my life
0:15:11 > 0:15:16from inside prison walls.Questions have been raised of the
0:15:16 > 0:15:19effectiveness of these orders and how they can be best used to protect
0:15:19 > 0:15:26the child with care from the abusive exercise of it a parent in prison.
0:15:26 > 0:15:30Any change to remove parental responsibility automatically, on
0:15:30 > 0:15:34conviction of certain criminal offences would involve some in
0:15:34 > 0:15:37porting considerations for my department. We would need to be
0:15:37 > 0:15:42clear that such a change in the law would be in the best interest of all
0:15:42 > 0:15:47children for whom the current law provides maximum flexibility.But in
0:15:47 > 0:15:52all all the prisoners are abusive presence and they want to maintain
0:15:52 > 0:15:57family ties what in jail.Families play an important part in this
0:15:57 > 0:16:02process. I want to spend a few moments looking at the needs work
0:16:02 > 0:16:04prisoners to fulfil their parental responsibilities. I believe this
0:16:04 > 0:16:09could be and should be a focus for reform. Bringing men in particular
0:16:09 > 0:16:13face-to-face with their enduring response abilities to the family, is
0:16:13 > 0:16:19indispensable to the rehabilitation culture we urgently need to develop
0:16:19 > 0:16:28in our penal system.One of three women are locked up, our mothers,
0:16:28 > 0:16:39and one in five days their children being taken away from them. This is
0:16:39 > 0:16:42all but them to lose her job, their home, and their children, not just
0:16:42 > 0:16:50for those six months but forever. Plaintiff surface about a scandal
0:16:50 > 0:16:55involving thousands of steelworkers. In just over a week's time we had to
0:16:55 > 0:16:58decide what to do with their pension savings when the old Priddis still
0:16:58 > 0:17:02pension scheme ends. The financial authority has intervened to stop
0:17:02 > 0:17:04several firms
0:17:04 > 0:17:15offering advice to steelworkers.
0:17:22 > 0:17:25We had a little bit about the clip from earlier owns about the sorts of
0:17:25 > 0:17:28questions they would like to see is asking. Those were exactly the
0:17:28 > 0:17:32questions we do ask. We go in and when we see high numbers of
0:17:32 > 0:17:37transfers going through, we ask them expressly why it is in the context
0:17:37 > 0:17:41of transfers where for most people most of the time staying in a DB
0:17:41 > 0:17:44scheme is a better outcome. They have satisfied themselves that it is
0:17:44 > 0:17:48suitable in so many cases to transfer. It is exactly where we go
0:17:48 > 0:17:52with our line of questioning and with our file testing. As a result
0:17:52 > 0:17:56of this, for firms have stopped providing pensions advices as a
0:17:56 > 0:18:01direct result of our intervention. Either by directing invitations on
0:18:01 > 0:18:08their permissions or by voluntary or separate a ration provided to them.
0:18:08 > 0:18:12A conservative MP asked whether workers will have to move to a
0:18:12 > 0:18:17personal pension fund or PPS after the deadline.What will happen if
0:18:17 > 0:18:23you reach this, and there are still thousands of people outstanding.
0:18:23 > 0:18:26Unfortunately, the difficult position is the state in the pension
0:18:26 > 0:18:37scheme will stop you cannot. We have been trying very hard to get that
0:18:37 > 0:18:41message out.The student loan system is failing and needs to be replaced,
0:18:41 > 0:18:45according to labour. At the general election, the party pledged to scrap
0:18:45 > 0:18:49university tuition fees and the government said it will carry out a
0:18:49 > 0:18:53review of higher education funding. At question time in the House of
0:18:53 > 0:18:56Lords, Labour seized on the fact that only around a third of students
0:18:56 > 0:19:02would ever repay their loans fully. We also know that up to 45% of the
0:19:02 > 0:19:07total loan outplay will never be paid. My lords, the poorer students
0:19:07 > 0:19:14and up with the biggest debt, and last week, the national office said
0:19:14 > 0:19:17that two thirds of students consider universities do not provide value
0:19:17 > 0:19:23for money and that proper independent advice is not available
0:19:23 > 0:19:27to students when they make these decisions, which have such a large
0:19:27 > 0:19:33financial consequence upon them. My lords, how can we have confidence in
0:19:33 > 0:19:36the forthcoming review, when the government resolutely defends the
0:19:36 > 0:19:42president Brexit system so determinedly. My lords, will the
0:19:42 > 0:19:46noble Lord except that the current system is failing. We need a new
0:19:46 > 0:19:52system, which is fair to students. Bayley raise a number of points, but
0:19:52 > 0:19:56we believe the student loan system is working well. There is always
0:19:56 > 0:19:59room for improvement. But on one of his point, we do believe that
0:19:59 > 0:20:03students do get a good advice before they take on the lens and indeed
0:20:03 > 0:20:08they have to sign some papers for that. But on some of his more major
0:20:08 > 0:20:14points, we are very keen to see the value for money approach. They have
0:20:14 > 0:20:17been quite clear that universities much provide value for money for
0:20:17 > 0:20:23students. Can I also say that as the house knows, the whole graduate
0:20:23 > 0:20:27student payment system is designed with a deliberate subsidy in place.
0:20:27 > 0:20:31And we are on track with a complicated formula to achieve it.
0:20:31 > 0:20:36At the moment, we have a situation where degrees have become monetized.
0:20:36 > 0:20:40Would it not be a good idea that we have a good long hard look at having
0:20:40 > 0:20:44some form of graduate tax brought in which would remove this idea of what
0:20:44 > 0:20:51a huge debt hanging over those who take on the degree.Certainly, the
0:20:51 > 0:20:55noble man is right. The tax was considered as part of the reform
0:20:55 > 0:20:58that were considered several years ago. We do not think this is the
0:20:58 > 0:21:03right approach, but we do think it is right that the students are able
0:21:03 > 0:21:09to take out loans, which the noble lord I am sure will agree. Increases
0:21:09 > 0:21:14aim of having more disadvantaged people at universities.Are there
0:21:14 > 0:21:23any other government agencies charge is 611% on loans?There is a
0:21:23 > 0:21:30question I will not answer that question. Can I say, the interest
0:21:30 > 0:21:34rates are very much set and I has I have said before, these are being
0:21:34 > 0:21:38kept under constant review and there will be a review forthcoming on
0:21:38 > 0:21:42higher education and funding.Has a government made any assessment on
0:21:42 > 0:21:48whether there will be any material difference in the signs repaid over
0:21:48 > 0:21:54the decades if interest rates were set at eight last level.I am sure
0:21:54 > 0:21:59they have been drawn out. I do not have is with me. Can I say, actually
0:21:59 > 0:22:0598% of all those who entered repayment of April 2015 or earlier
0:22:05 > 0:22:08have fully repaid or meeting their repayment obligations and I think
0:22:08 > 0:22:13that is a testament to the fact that the payment source system were
0:22:13 > 0:22:20complicit of HMR seat is working well. I did to exempt journalists
0:22:20 > 0:22:23and others from data protection provisions have been condemned in
0:22:23 > 0:22:30the Lords as one hostage here explained.These amendments are
0:22:30 > 0:22:36representations of all sides. Which sort of copper mines, a way to
0:22:36 > 0:22:41protect this free expression rights of publishers and ensures the public
0:22:41 > 0:22:45are protected.By a former Supreme Court judge opposed the plans.The
0:22:45 > 0:22:53opposed change would inhibit prepublication, prepared to work, in
0:22:53 > 0:22:59particular, work of investigation and research, with a view to
0:22:59 > 0:23:05publication, which may in the end never actually resolved in
0:23:05 > 0:23:10publication. It would provide a field day for those who are seeking
0:23:10 > 0:23:19to impede academic work, artistic expression, literary expression as
0:23:19 > 0:23:23well as journalism, which they do not welcome. It would inevitably
0:23:23 > 0:23:31create a chilling effect on work in academia, the arts, literature and
0:23:31 > 0:23:35journalism.The executive director of the telegraph media group said
0:23:35 > 0:23:38the proposals would cripple investigative journalism.It would
0:23:38 > 0:23:44create a deeply repressive regime for all those involved in
0:23:44 > 0:23:48journalistic academic literary and artistic activities. It is not just
0:23:48 > 0:23:51the journalists on the national newspapers who are so clearly
0:23:51 > 0:23:59targeted by these amendments, who would be tonnage. But the local
0:23:59 > 0:24:04press, the broadcasters, academics, film producers, playwrights, book
0:24:04 > 0:24:08producers, and many others. Because they all use data regularly in the
0:24:08 > 0:24:12course of their kiddies. It would make their day-to-day work almost
0:24:12 > 0:24:20impossible.But some peers support it.All you journalists, you can put
0:24:20 > 0:24:26your editorials, suggesting we are oppressing freedom, we do know it is
0:24:26 > 0:24:31rubbish. You know it is not true. But unless you deal with the real
0:24:31 > 0:24:39hurt, the real problem, the real exposed faults of the media, then
0:24:39 > 0:24:46this will continue.I cannot give his house a legal opinion. I can
0:24:46 > 0:24:52give them one of experience and give might interest that I attended the
0:24:52 > 0:25:00level of inquiry and a legal typing of my found. Public interest was not
0:25:00 > 0:25:04offended there, the public interest was defined by the evidence in the
0:25:04 > 0:25:11papers.The labour spokesman said that it had been let down and action
0:25:11 > 0:25:13was needed. He urged the lady to withdraw her amendment which she
0:25:13 > 0:25:20did.I want to wait and see what is going to emerge from the
0:25:20 > 0:25:26consultation, and I do hope that it will be forthcoming before we reach
0:25:26 > 0:25:31the meaning of this bill. I would like to withdraw my dominion --
0:25:31 > 0:25:36amendment.And that was Lord Prescott first expressing his
0:25:36 > 0:25:50frustration. Do join me tomorrow, but for now, goodbye.