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:00:24. > :00:28.Welcome. The epicentre of the financial crisis, at least at the

:00:28. > :00:35.moment, maybe in Europe, but its effects are being felt as far away

:00:35. > :00:39.as China. The world's second- slowest pace in three years. Can

:00:39. > :00:49.the new political line-up to live that a prosperous and stable

:00:49. > :00:53.

:00:53. > :01:00.Sachs management. And the chairman of a research company.

:01:00. > :01:08.Has a soft landing be achieved in China? What China? Whatt mean?

:01:08. > :01:12.whole soft versus hard is very simplistic. Given al

:01:12. > :01:20.in the future. To think of China and landing is probably a mistake.

:01:20. > :01:24.It will keep travelling. A soft landing is broadly seen as an

:01:24. > :01:32.economy slowing down. But sustainable at a lower rate of

:01:32. > :01:38.growth. There is more evidence to support the soft landing crowd

:01:38. > :01:43.rather than the hard landing crowd. But I would also add that one of

:01:43. > :01:47.the reasons China has slowed, the slowest in many years, is because

:01:48. > :01:54.the policy makers deliberately slowed it. Their biggest battle has

:01:54. > :01:58.been inflation. Would you agree with that? We should not worry

:01:58. > :02:06.about it? And it has very little to do with the European financial

:02:06. > :02:12.crisis. Not really. We calculate Chinese GDP. Many do not believe

:02:12. > :02:19.the official figures, in terms of real growth. Last year, it was 4%.

:02:19. > :02:25.By Chinese standards, he is a hard landing. That sounds quite

:02:25. > :02:34.ambitious, measuring the growth. Reduce their numbers and

:02:34. > :02:40.recalculate the inflation rate. -- we used their numbers. Let's

:02:40. > :02:44.address this issue for the needs of China to be balance is economy if

:02:44. > :02:50.it is to move forward. What is the main priori main priorimore

:02:50. > :02:56.domestically generated. It is funny how I get two people to look as

:02:56. > :03:03.something and they have such different views. For a long time, I

:03:03. > :03:09.was leading a group are calculated China's GDP. We have had this one

:03:09. > :03:17.for 15 years, it is somewhere between six -8. I do not agree much

:03:17. > :03:21.with what Charles has said. Chart - - consumption has started to rise.

:03:21. > :03:27.This need to rebalance the economy, is it something a new political

:03:27. > :03:34.line-up can achieve? Prices have come down a long way. Wages have

:03:34. > :03:41.come down a bit, but not enough. The difference between the two, it

:03:41. > :03:47.has gotten wider. Why do you one wages to go down? The businesses

:03:47. > :03:53.compared compared to where they were before.

:03:53. > :03:59.Labour costs are up 2% but the prices are down to present. There

:03:59. > :04:07.is a squeeze on margins. They are paying much higher interest rates.

:04:07. > :04:12.It is 6% but the inflation rate is -3 %. That is plus 9%. People do

:04:12. > :04:18.not want to spend. Businesses will go into it a burn mode. It means

:04:18. > :04:24.reducing wages as well as everything else. China has to

:04:24. > :04:33.become an economy which has more value anywh value anywhannot just be a

:04:33. > :04:38.cheap manufacture. Is it going see that as a problem. The days of

:04:38. > :04:43.China been the low-value producer of the world is behind us. It is

:04:44. > :04:50.the natural stage of evolution and development. He see it relocating

:04:50. > :04:54.to other pa to other pae world. Mexico is a big winner of it. And because

:04:54. > :04:58.of the leaked -- the low energy costs, the US is showing some

:04:59. > :05:04.modest signs of benefiting as well. I do not worry about that from a

:05:04. > :05:08.Chinese perspective. That was inevitable. The rise of income is

:05:08. > :05:14.wide the consumer is already starting to do better. One it comes

:05:14. > :05:19.to the leadership, their job is to sort of make sure it does not steal

:05:19. > :05:22.off course too much. Luckily for them, the incoming leadership

:05:22. > :05:29.appeared at a time when there is evidence of this adjustment taking

:05:29. > :05:35.place. They have a nice deck of cards that has been given to them.

:05:35. > :05:45.Let's talk about some of the obstacles, notably banking. Some

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:05:48. > :05:56.people say they are highly liquid. hidden. I take the bad loan view.

:05:56. > :06:05.where commission mac income is earned a half of the total output.

:06:05. > :06:09.It is unusual. Business and government income is much higher.

:06:09. > :06:14.Half of up port in the government income and just under half of up

:06:15. > :06:18.are being invested. Yet, the money does not get there it easily. It

:06:18. > :06:23.has to go through the banking system. It means China is taking

:06:23. > :06:27.away money from the probable places, inside the corporate state, and

:06:27. > :06:37.giving it to a bunch of provincial people who set up plants that do

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:06:40. > :06:50.plagued other plants. A low was the return of capitals. -- it results

:06:50. > :06:50.

:06:50. > :06:59.in a low return. Shine that engages in a state capitalism. -- China

:06:59. > :07:09.engages. Dame did not have the a way

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:07:11. > :07:20.a democracy can. -- des do not. How long can that model sustain China?

:07:20. > :07:26.It former's -- it forces a limitation. It is very tricky. You

:07:26. > :07:31.look at some of the dilemmas in the West at the moment. Alternative

:07:31. > :07:35.energy and energy efficiencies, for example. By the end of this decade,

:07:35. > :07:42.China may have made of progress and some of these areas than in the

:07:42. > :07:52.to give the capital that is needed. In some areas, it is a distinct

:07:52. > :07:56.advantage. Battery-operated cars, for example. They have a much

:07:56. > :08:02.better chance of getting somewhere dead than elsewhere because it is

:08:02. > :08:06.not private capital having to deal with stock market risks. If you

:08:06. > :08:15.listen carefully to what those close to the leaders are saying,

:08:15. > :08:25.dismantling the degree of dominance corner. It is part of the

:08:25. > :08:26.

:08:26. > :08:36.implementation of this five-year These

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:08:37. > :08:47.These big organisations will not be quite as dominant. I think it is a

:08:47. > :08:51.

:08:51. > :08:55.distinct advantage. Dr Gray, Charles? -- do you agree. I like to

:08:55. > :09:05.hear companies like Goldman Sachs explaining the advantages of state

:09:05. > :09:10.capitalism. No, is the short answer. They need better allocation of

:09:10. > :09:14.capital. If the look of the growth rate of China, which is 10%, it

:09:14. > :09:24.depends more and more on capital employed and less and less on

:09:24. > :09:24.

:09:24. > :09:32.genuine productivity. Jim is right in the centre of the stability.

:09:32. > :09:35.But they want to reduce the capital input. You have to raise the growth

:09:35. > :09:40.of real productivity and that means proper allocation of capital, and

:09:40. > :09:49.that is what you do not get when you get the government telling you

:09:49. > :09:54.what to do. Corruption is a big is that capital spending pops the

:09:54. > :10:04.economy up. We are looking backwards again. It is quite clear

:10:04. > :10:08.

:10:08. > :10:15.in the econ in the econ weakened significantly. That is

:10:15. > :10:22.part of the reason why the economy has closed. The consumer has

:10:23. > :10:27.accelerated. Winup get -- we cannot tomorro

:10:27. > :10:37.tomorrow. It is something that takes time, but we are moving in

:10:37. > :10:44.

:10:44. > :10:48.deep right direction. One of the spend any time with the leaders of