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0:00:07 > 0:00:11- Tonight, I'm filming - behind the doors of a Masonic hall.
0:00:15 > 0:00:17- I can't see the ceremony proper...
0:00:17 > 0:00:21- ..but members have agreed - that we can film this rehearsal...
0:00:21 > 0:00:23- ..for the opening of a new temple.
0:00:28 > 0:00:31- There are 70 brothers - coming here today.
0:00:32 > 0:00:36- I'm delighted - to be in Builth Wells today...
0:00:36 > 0:00:38- ..to consecrate a new temple.
0:00:41 > 0:00:45- I've filmed with the Freemasons - in South Wales for three months.
0:00:47 > 0:00:51- Some suspect it to be a secret - society with something to hide.
0:00:53 > 0:00:55- But what exactly do Masons do?
0:00:56 > 0:00:59- You conduct ceremonies. What else?
0:00:59 > 0:01:00- You conduct ceremonies. What else?- - Well, we do business.
0:01:01 > 0:01:05- I dedicate this hall to Freemasonry.
0:01:05 > 0:01:08- There are 13,000 members in Wales.
0:01:09 > 0:01:12- Tonight, I ask how much influence - does the society have.
0:01:13 > 0:01:16- There's a tendency - to think that Freemasons...
0:01:16 > 0:01:19- ..look after each other - and help each other to get jobs.
0:01:19 > 0:01:23- If you know someone, you have - more chance of getting a job.
0:01:23 > 0:01:27- The more people you know - in a business, the easier it is.
0:01:27 > 0:01:30- I scatter corn on this temple...
0:01:30 > 0:01:34- Because these members - want to be more open...
0:01:34 > 0:01:38- ..tonight, I get a unique look - behind the hall's doors.
0:01:39 > 0:01:43- The aim of Freemasonry...
0:01:43 > 0:01:47- ..is to make good men better men.
0:01:57 > 0:02:01- Swansea's Masonic Hall - is in the city centre.
0:02:02 > 0:02:06- A local member has agreed - to show me around the hall.
0:02:09 > 0:02:13- This is the main Masonic hall - in Swansea.
0:02:15 > 0:02:20- Most of Swansea's lodges meet here.
0:02:21 > 0:02:26- We're now walking - across the pavement...
0:02:27 > 0:02:30- ..in the direction - of the Master's chair.
0:02:31 > 0:02:33- This is the Master's chair.
0:02:33 > 0:02:36- He is the chairman of the lodge.
0:02:38 > 0:02:42- Every lodge has a master, - with numerous officials under him.
0:02:43 > 0:02:45- But they all bow to the authority...
0:02:45 > 0:02:49- ..of the United Grand Lodge - of England in London.
0:02:50 > 0:02:53- The hall is full - of unfamiliar images...
0:02:53 > 0:02:57- ..and I want to understand - what some of them signify.
0:02:57 > 0:03:01- You mentioned the black and white - chequered pavement.
0:03:01 > 0:03:03- What does that represent?
0:03:03 > 0:03:06- What does that represent?- - Well, it represents day and night.
0:03:06 > 0:03:12- What they call the trials - and tribulations of life...
0:03:12 > 0:03:14- ..the white and the black.
0:03:14 > 0:03:20- The hope is that, one day, we come - out of the dark and into the light.
0:03:21 > 0:03:25- There's a big eye looking down on us - in the centre of the room.
0:03:25 > 0:03:26- Yes, yes.
0:03:26 > 0:03:28- What's that?
0:03:28 > 0:03:33- Well, it reminds us - of the Supreme Being himself.
0:03:34 > 0:03:36- That he is watching us...
0:03:37 > 0:03:42- ..and is keeping a tally - of our activities in this world.
0:03:44 > 0:03:48- Every Mason must believe in a god...
0:03:48 > 0:03:51- ..but not necessarily - a Christian god.
0:03:52 > 0:03:55- But Freemasonry - isn't a religious society.
0:03:55 > 0:03:58- I want to know more - about their rituals.
0:03:59 > 0:04:03- People who know a little about - Freemasonry will have heard...
0:04:04 > 0:04:08- ..that Masons are blindfolded - when they enter the Masonic hall...
0:04:08 > 0:04:11- ..and that a sword - is held to their breast.
0:04:11 > 0:04:13- It sounds sinister, but is it true?
0:04:14 > 0:04:17- A lot of things - are said, aren't they?
0:04:18 > 0:04:19- But it's a drama.
0:04:20 > 0:04:24- As I said earlier, we come - out of the darkness into the light.
0:04:25 > 0:04:28- A blindfold is part of the ceremony.
0:04:29 > 0:04:33- It shows him - that he is coming into the light...
0:04:34 > 0:04:37- ..and hopefully shows him...
0:04:37 > 0:04:42- ..that, as a Mason, - he will lead a richer life.
0:04:44 > 0:04:47- In the Dulais Valley, - the Onllwyn Male Voice Choir...
0:04:47 > 0:04:49- ..is led by a Freemason.
0:04:50 > 0:04:56- # Great was Christ in eternity #
0:04:56 > 0:05:00- I had considered Freemasonry - as a club for middle-aged men.
0:05:01 > 0:05:04- But Matthew Sims is 32, - and has been a Mason since 2008.
0:05:04 > 0:05:09- # Great dying on Calvary #
0:05:10 > 0:05:16- I became a Freemason - because a friend asked me to join.
0:05:17 > 0:05:22- I had a background - in Freemasonry previously...
0:05:22 > 0:05:27- ..but it was nice - to be invited by a friend.
0:05:31 > 0:05:34- He has been Master - of a lodge in Swansea...
0:05:34 > 0:05:37- ..and has benefited personally - from being a Mason.
0:05:37 > 0:05:39- I'm a singer.
0:05:39 > 0:05:45- The Freemasons helped me - financially to go to university.
0:05:45 > 0:05:49- I now have a Masters degree - because of that help.
0:05:49 > 0:05:53- Last year, - he was co-founder of a new club...
0:05:53 > 0:05:57- ..under Freemasonry's umbrella, - to attract more young men.
0:05:58 > 0:05:59- The Colonnade Club.
0:05:59 > 0:06:05- The Colonnade Club is for young - people, for young Freemasons.
0:06:05 > 0:06:09- We don't normally meet very often...
0:06:09 > 0:06:15- ..but the club gives us a chance - to meet and go to different places.
0:06:15 > 0:06:20- Pubs, shopping, - breakfast clubs and so on.
0:06:20 > 0:06:23- It gives us - a network of young members.
0:06:24 > 0:06:28- But young men aren't - the only members to surprise me.
0:06:28 > 0:06:36- # Amen #
0:06:43 > 0:06:46- The Order of Women Freemasons...
0:06:46 > 0:06:50- ..has seven lodges - and some 150 members in South Wales.
0:06:51 > 0:06:55- Although a separate organization, - they operate in a similar way.
0:06:56 > 0:07:00- As far as the ceremonies go, - we use the same book...
0:07:01 > 0:07:04- ..and the ceremonies - follow the same order.
0:07:04 > 0:07:07- We have the same ranks - as male Freemasons...
0:07:07 > 0:07:10- ..and go up through the same levels.
0:07:11 > 0:07:15- Ann Marie Boland - is a children's nurse in Swansea.
0:07:15 > 0:07:17- This year, she and other members...
0:07:18 > 0:07:22- ..will run Swansea's Race For Life - to raise money for Cancer Research.
0:07:23 > 0:07:26- She views Freemasonry - as a chance to socialize...
0:07:26 > 0:07:29- ..and to contribute to good causes.
0:07:29 > 0:07:33- If you wanted to join an institution - to raise money and socialize...
0:07:33 > 0:07:37- ..why not join Merched y Wawr - or the Women's Institute?
0:07:37 > 0:07:38- Why did Freemasonry attract you?
0:07:38 > 0:07:41- Why did Freemasonry attract you?- - If I'd joined Merched y Wawr...
0:07:42 > 0:07:45- For me, Merched y Wawr - hold coffee evenings and knit.
0:07:45 > 0:07:47- I don't know what else they do.
0:07:47 > 0:07:52- This was available and I enjoyed it.
0:07:52 > 0:07:56- I do something for others - but for myself as well.
0:07:56 > 0:07:59- It's time away from the family.
0:07:59 > 0:08:05- When I'm at a meeting, I'm not - expected to do anything but my part.
0:08:05 > 0:08:09- I'm no-one's mother or daughter - or nurse, just myself.
0:08:09 > 0:08:14- The women aren't willing for any - of their ceremonies to be filmed.
0:08:14 > 0:08:18- But they do allow us - to show their ceremonial robes.
0:08:19 > 0:08:22- They also want to be more open...
0:08:22 > 0:08:26- ..partly in order to attract - new members.
0:08:27 > 0:08:28- It is difficult.
0:08:29 > 0:08:34- A lot of Freemasons are now older...
0:08:34 > 0:08:37- ..and not many young women - are joining.
0:08:38 > 0:08:41- We are trying to be more open, - especially these days.
0:08:41 > 0:08:43- We need to attract more members.
0:08:46 > 0:08:51- Traditionally, you needed - to be invited to become a Freemason.
0:08:51 > 0:08:54- By now, you can apply online.
0:08:55 > 0:08:59- Seventy men made initial enquiries - in South Wales last year.
0:08:59 > 0:09:04- Of those, ten are now taking part - in Masonic meetings and ceremonies.
0:09:05 > 0:09:07- What do you do at these meetings?
0:09:07 > 0:09:10- You conduct ceremonies, - but what else do you do?
0:09:10 > 0:09:12- Well, we do business.
0:09:12 > 0:09:16- As you can see, we have a secretary, - a treasurer and a vice-secretary.
0:09:19 > 0:09:22- We have an annual meeting.
0:09:24 > 0:09:31- The finances and charitable work - need organizing, and new members.
0:09:31 > 0:09:37- The same things that happen in any - meeting of any other institution.
0:09:39 > 0:09:42- In part two, I try to find out - how many police officers...
0:09:43 > 0:09:47- ..councillors and politicians - in Wales are Freemasons.
0:09:47 > 0:09:50- If there's nothing to hide, - if it makes no difference...
0:09:51 > 0:09:54- ..why does it matter - if it's declared at the outset?
0:09:54 > 0:09:59- I also ask how much influence - Freemasons really have.
0:09:59 > 0:10:04- Would you say that a Freemason - gets better career and life chances?
0:10:05 > 0:10:06- Maybe, yes.
0:10:06 > 0:10:07- Do you see anything wrong with that?
0:10:07 > 0:10:08- Do you see anything wrong with that?- - No.
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0:10:22 > 0:10:25- Brothers, help me open the lodge.
0:10:26 > 0:10:30- In Bridgend, some of - the Dewi Sant Lodge Freemasons...
0:10:30 > 0:10:33- ..have agreed for us to film them.
0:10:33 > 0:10:37- This is the only lodge that holds - part of its rituals in Welsh.
0:10:38 > 0:10:40- Brother Inner Guard.
0:10:40 > 0:10:42- Will you ensure that the lodge - is tyled.
0:10:43 > 0:10:46- The whole ceremony - can't be in Welsh.
0:10:47 > 0:10:51- But these Masons do some in Welsh - before changing to English.
0:10:51 > 0:10:56- Brother Junior Warden. - The lodge is tyled.
0:10:56 > 0:10:58- Worshipful Master...
0:10:58 > 0:11:01- In a full meeting, - the seats are taken by members.
0:11:02 > 0:11:06- But as this is a rehearsal - of the opening part of the ritual...
0:11:06 > 0:11:08- ..only officers are present.
0:11:08 > 0:11:12- Brother Senior Warden, - what is our next care?
0:11:12 > 0:11:14- That only Freemasons are present.
0:11:15 > 0:11:19- People are very curious about you - and your secrecy.
0:11:19 > 0:11:22- Is the secrecy - part of the appeal to you?
0:11:22 > 0:11:24- Um, well...
0:11:24 > 0:11:29- It's more about the traditional side - than the secrecy.
0:11:29 > 0:11:33- But I think the biggest appeal - for most members...
0:11:33 > 0:11:38- ..is that - we can contribute to good causes...
0:11:38 > 0:11:41- ..both locally and nationally.
0:11:42 > 0:11:46- Worthy Past Master, where is - the Master's situation in the Lodge?
0:11:46 > 0:11:47- In the east.
0:11:47 > 0:11:53- I've asked to stay to see - the ritual in its entirety.
0:11:54 > 0:11:57- But I'm not welcome - at the ceremony proper.
0:11:58 > 0:12:02- Why don't you allow camera crews - to film your ceremonies?
0:12:02 > 0:12:06- There are some secrets - we use in the three acts...
0:12:06 > 0:12:09- ..which belong to the movement.
0:12:09 > 0:12:14- To keep everything secret, - to help the candidate coming in...
0:12:15 > 0:12:17- ..we have something different.
0:12:17 > 0:12:19- Those are the reasons.
0:12:19 > 0:12:21- We're open that we're members...
0:12:22 > 0:12:26- ..so the only hidden thing...
0:12:26 > 0:12:29- ..is what goes on in the drama.
0:12:29 > 0:12:33- Brothers, I proclaim - that this lodge is opened.
0:12:34 > 0:12:36- Brothers, take a seat.
0:12:39 > 0:12:41- In Carmarthenshire in November...
0:12:41 > 0:12:45- ..the Freemasons came under the - microscope of the local authority.
0:12:46 > 0:12:50- A councillor in the chamber - asked whether elected members...
0:12:50 > 0:12:53- ..should declare - if they were Freemasons.
0:12:54 > 0:12:58- According to council leader - Emlyn Dole, the rules are clear...
0:12:58 > 0:13:02- ..that councillors who are - Freemasons should declare it.
0:13:04 > 0:13:07- If a county councillor - who's been voted in...
0:13:07 > 0:13:10- ..and who has a political mandate...
0:13:10 > 0:13:15- ..for whatever party - on a county council...
0:13:15 > 0:13:18- ..I think the declaration - should be made.
0:13:19 > 0:13:22- After the discussion, - Carmarthenshire County Council...
0:13:22 > 0:13:27- ..received a furious reply from the - Freemasons' headquarters in London.
0:13:27 > 0:13:30- I've seen an email - sent to the council's lawyer...
0:13:30 > 0:13:33- ..from - the United Grand Lodge of England.
0:13:33 > 0:13:36- The email - says that forcing councillors...
0:13:36 > 0:13:40- ..to declare membership of the - Masons breaches their human rights.
0:13:40 > 0:13:42- The author calls on the council...
0:13:42 > 0:13:45- ..to change their - declaration of interest forms...
0:13:45 > 0:13:48- ..and delete any records - noting membership.
0:13:48 > 0:13:51- They feel that the Freemasons - are being targeted.
0:13:52 > 0:13:55- The email goes on, "Please - be assured that our members...
0:13:55 > 0:13:59- "..will voluntarily disclose - membership of Freemasonry...
0:13:59 > 0:14:02- "..in the unlikely event - it becomes relevant...
0:14:02 > 0:14:05- "..to a matter under consideration."
0:14:05 > 0:14:09- The council has dismissed the reply, - saying that Freemasons...
0:14:10 > 0:14:14- ..are treated the same as members - of any other club or society.
0:14:16 > 0:14:20- The response I'd expect from - an open and transparent society...
0:14:20 > 0:14:22- ..which was confident - in its members...
0:14:23 > 0:14:25- ..and in their ability - to be effective...
0:14:26 > 0:14:30- ..is that they'd tell their members - to say that they belong...
0:14:30 > 0:14:33- ..because there was nothing to hide, - no secrets.
0:14:34 > 0:14:36- The fact - they want to hold it back...
0:14:36 > 0:14:41- ..until the time they say - it's relevant suggests otherwise.
0:14:42 > 0:14:45- According - to the email I've obtained...
0:14:45 > 0:14:49- ..the Freemasons - aren't a secret society.
0:14:49 > 0:14:53- If members use their membership - for personal ends...
0:14:53 > 0:14:56- ..they'd be thrown out - of the society.
0:14:56 > 0:15:00- "In contrast to similar movements," - the email says...
0:15:00 > 0:15:02- "..networking is not permitted."
0:15:03 > 0:15:06- But when I went to talk - to one of the founders...
0:15:06 > 0:15:09- ..of the South Wales Masons' - Colonnade Club...
0:15:09 > 0:15:13- ..he admitted that it is a benefit - of being a Freemason.
0:15:15 > 0:15:18- Freemasons are thought of as people - who look after each other...
0:15:19 > 0:15:21- ..who help each other find jobs.
0:15:21 > 0:15:24- Is this true from your experience - as a member?
0:15:24 > 0:15:25- Yes.
0:15:25 > 0:15:31- If you know someone, you have - a better chance of getting a job.
0:15:31 > 0:15:34- The more people you know - in business, the easier it is.
0:15:35 > 0:15:39- However, we do look after other - people too, not just ourselves.
0:15:39 > 0:15:42- We give a lot of money - to charities...
0:15:42 > 0:15:46- ..which don't have anything to do - with the Freemasons.
0:15:46 > 0:15:50- You've almost admitted that you do - help each other find jobs.
0:15:51 > 0:15:53- Isn't there something wrong - with that?
0:15:54 > 0:15:58- You help each other and influence - important bodies and so on.
0:15:58 > 0:16:01- No, I don't think - we have a major influence.
0:16:01 > 0:16:03- You just know the person...
0:16:03 > 0:16:09- ..and the opportunities that are - presented from knowing that person.
0:16:09 > 0:16:13- But you'd say that a Freemason - would have better opportunities...
0:16:13 > 0:16:16- ..in terms of their career - and their lives.
0:16:16 > 0:16:17- Maybe, yes.
0:16:17 > 0:16:18- Do you see anything wrong with that?
0:16:18 > 0:16:19- Do you see anything wrong with that?- - No.
0:16:20 > 0:16:23- I wanted to find out - how many Freemasons...
0:16:23 > 0:16:26- ..have been elected - to represent the people of Wales.
0:16:26 > 0:16:30- I made a Freedom of Information - request to every county council...
0:16:31 > 0:16:34- ..the National Assembly - and the House of Commons.
0:16:34 > 0:16:36- Members of Parliament...
0:16:36 > 0:16:39- ..don't have to declare - whether they're Freemasons.
0:16:40 > 0:16:42- Assembly Members have to do so.
0:16:42 > 0:16:45- But none of the current AMs - have specified this.
0:16:45 > 0:16:48- The response from local authorities - was mixed.
0:16:48 > 0:16:51- It's unclear - if county councillors...
0:16:51 > 0:16:54- ..have to declare whether or not - they're Freemasons.
0:16:55 > 0:16:59- Only 25 councillors said - they were Masons throughout Wales.
0:17:01 > 0:17:04- I took the results to - the South Wales Police Commissioner.
0:17:05 > 0:17:08- Alun Michael - has called on the Masons...
0:17:08 > 0:17:10- ..to be more transparent - in the past.
0:17:10 > 0:17:15- He helped to pass a law forcing AMs - who are Masons to declare this.
0:17:15 > 0:17:20- When he was a Home Office minister, - he forced policemen to do so too.
0:17:22 > 0:17:25- If they have to declare it, - it takes the pressure off.
0:17:25 > 0:17:29- If they don't, there are whispers, - "Oh, he's a Freemason."
0:17:29 > 0:17:33- You get rid of that - if there's a declaration.
0:17:34 > 0:17:38- He says that local authority rules - are unclear...
0:17:38 > 0:17:41- ..with many councils - saying they need to declare...
0:17:42 > 0:17:47- ..a private club membership that's - "operating within the authority".
0:17:48 > 0:17:51- If you put it like that...
0:17:51 > 0:17:56- ..that you have to define - 'operating'...
0:17:57 > 0:17:59- ..it's hard.
0:17:59 > 0:18:03- I also asked Wales's police forces - about their rules.
0:18:03 > 0:18:08- Dyfed-Powys and Gwent staff - don't have to declare membership.
0:18:08 > 0:18:11- But North Wales - and South Wales Police...
0:18:11 > 0:18:13- ..have - a voluntary declaration scheme.
0:18:14 > 0:18:17- In the south, two police officers - and three PCSOs...
0:18:17 > 0:18:20- ..have said that they're Freemasons.
0:18:20 > 0:18:23- In the north, three sergeants - and six constables...
0:18:23 > 0:18:25- ..have declared their membership.
0:18:26 > 0:18:31- South Wales Police have a voluntary - scheme of declaring membership.
0:18:31 > 0:18:34- Is there any point in that - if it's voluntary?
0:18:35 > 0:18:39- If you expect people - to give information...
0:18:39 > 0:18:42- ..it creates the right atmosphere.
0:18:43 > 0:18:46- The police force - has changed a lot over the years.
0:18:47 > 0:18:49- There was a time...
0:18:49 > 0:18:54- ..when the pressure - from Masonic interest...
0:18:54 > 0:18:56- ..was very effective.
0:18:56 > 0:18:59- There were big questions - to be answered.
0:19:00 > 0:19:01- That's no longer a problem.
0:19:02 > 0:19:04- How do you know - it's not a problem...
0:19:04 > 0:19:07- ..if declaring a membership - is voluntary?
0:19:07 > 0:19:08- As I said...
0:19:08 > 0:19:13- ..if it's an atmosphere of asking a - question and expecting an answer...
0:19:13 > 0:19:16- ..that provides - the correct standards.
0:19:16 > 0:19:20- That's how I'd frame the method - of dealing with the issue.
0:19:22 > 0:19:25- Alun Michael - is calling for one simple system...
0:19:25 > 0:19:28- ..of declaring membership - of the Freemasons.
0:19:28 > 0:19:33- It would be better to have the same - criteria in every local council...
0:19:33 > 0:19:38- ..in the police, the health boards - and so on.
0:19:38 > 0:19:42- Then, everyone is treated the same.
0:19:44 > 0:19:48- But the Freemasons say there's - no need to be suspicious of them...
0:19:49 > 0:19:51- ..and that they're trying - to help society.
0:19:51 > 0:19:56- Here in Porthcawl, a care home is - run by one of their four charities.
0:19:58 > 0:20:03- John Davies is the South Wales - Masons' charity officer.
0:20:03 > 0:20:05- Have you been here a while?
0:20:05 > 0:20:07- Three weeks.
0:20:07 > 0:20:12- He says that they give money to - those who aren't Freemasons too...
0:20:13 > 0:20:15- ..through their 'grand charity'.
0:20:16 > 0:20:17- Before Christmas...
0:20:18 > 0:20:19- ..we had the pleasure...
0:20:20 > 0:20:25- ..of donating 72,000 - to Tenovus in Cardiff.
0:20:26 > 0:20:32- The money comes from London - to support charities...
0:20:32 > 0:20:35- ..who don't have direct links - with the Freemasons.
0:20:37 > 0:20:40- In a court hearing two years ago...
0:20:40 > 0:20:43- ..it came to light - that the United Grand Lodge...
0:20:43 > 0:20:46- ..had donated 82 million in a year - to charities...
0:20:47 > 0:20:51- ..but almost three-quarters - were to ones linked to the Masons.
0:20:51 > 0:20:54- The main historical accusation - against the Masons...
0:20:55 > 0:20:58- ..is that - you look after each other...
0:20:58 > 0:21:03- ..that you're a secret club, an old - boys club finding each other jobs.
0:21:03 > 0:21:07- Is that true from your experience?
0:21:07 > 0:21:08- Not at all.
0:21:08 > 0:21:11- Quite the opposite.
0:21:12 > 0:21:18- It is something for people - from all parts of society.
0:21:18 > 0:21:22- You go into a lodge...
0:21:22 > 0:21:25- ..and you don't know - who's sat beside you.
0:21:25 > 0:21:28- He may be - at the bottom of the ladder...
0:21:29 > 0:21:32- ..with the guy on the other side - on top of the ladder.
0:21:32 > 0:21:36- It reflects the society - we live in.
0:21:36 > 0:21:39- A number of prominent - South Wales Masons...
0:21:39 > 0:21:43- ..have agreed to talk to me - over the past few months.
0:21:43 > 0:21:46- But many have refused and want - to keep the Masons' secrets...
0:21:47 > 0:21:49- ..behind the doors of the temple.
0:21:49 > 0:21:52- Many of your members are - uncomfortable appearing on camera...
0:21:53 > 0:21:56- ..uncomfortable discussing - Freemasonry in an interview.
0:21:56 > 0:21:58- Why do you think this is true?
0:21:59 > 0:22:01- If you don't have anything - to hide...
0:22:01 > 0:22:05- ..why wouldn't other Freemasons - talk to me like you are doing?
0:22:05 > 0:22:08- You'd have to ask them.
0:22:08 > 0:22:11- That's the honest answer.
0:22:11 > 0:22:14- Also, I think...
0:22:14 > 0:22:18- ..that some believe - there's a conspiracy.
0:22:18 > 0:22:22- Some people still think...
0:22:22 > 0:22:28- ..there's something wrong with - the way we conduct our business.
0:22:28 > 0:22:31- I don't agree with that, - I'm completely open.
0:22:32 > 0:22:38- The more we talk and show - what goes on in our buildings...
0:22:38 > 0:22:42- ..the more people will understand.
0:22:43 > 0:22:47- Next week, with the increase - in attacks against Muslims...
0:22:47 > 0:22:49- ..we ask - why there are Welsh people...
0:22:50 > 0:22:53- ..among those who preach - an anti-Muslim message in Britain.
0:22:54 > 0:22:56- No more refugees!
0:22:56 > 0:23:00- We hear from Muslims who say - they're being persecuted in Wales.
0:23:01 > 0:23:05- Things are happening. - The community is speaking out.
0:23:06 > 0:23:10- Y Byd ar Bedwar, - next Tuesday at 9.30pm.
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