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0:00:02 > 0:00:06- Cancer diagnosis rates in Wales - are among the slowest in Europe.
0:00:06 > 0:00:09- Last week, - in its annual cancer report...
0:00:09 > 0:00:13- ..the Welsh Government - admitted it needed to be improved.
0:00:14 > 0:00:16- Tonight, we follow the family...
0:00:17 > 0:00:21- ..of a 24-year-old man - with bowel and brain cancer...
0:00:21 > 0:00:24- ..who fear - that he won't pull through.
0:00:24 > 0:00:27- You're always feeling...
0:00:27 > 0:00:31- ..that if they had - done more, sooner...
0:00:31 > 0:00:36- ..that it wouldn't have spread - as much as it has now.
0:00:36 > 0:00:40- We also talk to the widow - of cameraman Andrew Davies.
0:00:40 > 0:00:45- She wants changes to the system - to help GPs spot symptoms sooner.
0:00:46 > 0:00:49- I'm certain he'd be here today - living a healthy life...
0:00:49 > 0:00:51- ..had he had an early diagnosis.
0:00:52 > 0:00:57- More and more of us - are dying from cancer every year.
0:00:58 > 0:01:00- How do we stop that growth?
0:01:02 > 0:01:05- Cancer - stopping the growth
0:01:07 > 0:01:12- Last October, and a fundraising gig - for Cronfa Andrew Pwmps.
0:01:12 > 0:01:16- The fund, named after - the Llanpumsaint cameraman...
0:01:16 > 0:01:21- ..will provide financial aid - for sick freelance workers like him.
0:01:21 > 0:01:25- Among the crowd - is Andrew's widow, Llio.
0:01:25 > 0:01:28- Tonight has been remarkable.
0:01:29 > 0:01:33- Music encompasses so much, - doesn't it?
0:01:33 > 0:01:37- It brings back memories, emotions...
0:01:37 > 0:01:38- ..the time I met Andrew.
0:01:42 > 0:01:46- Ail Symudiad and Eryr Wen - are playing tonight.
0:01:47 > 0:01:51- Back in the 1980s, - Andrew was Eryr Wen's drummer.
0:01:53 > 0:01:56- Eryr Wen was close to his heart.
0:01:56 > 0:02:01- The band was a very big part - of his development as a person...
0:02:01 > 0:02:05- ..and his best friends - were in the band.
0:02:08 > 0:02:11- Also there - were countless friends of Andrew...
0:02:11 > 0:02:14- ..who supported the whole family...
0:02:14 > 0:02:19- ..after he was diagnosed with cancer - back in 2014, aged just 50.
0:02:21 > 0:02:25- The aim of tonight - is to launch the fund.
0:02:25 > 0:02:26- Cronfa Andrew Pwmps.
0:02:27 > 0:02:33- It will help others who were - in the same situation as us.
0:02:40 > 0:02:42- Llio lives in Ammanford.
0:02:42 > 0:02:46- She and Andrew - moved to this house in March 2014...
0:02:46 > 0:02:50- ..just months - before he was diagnosed with cancer.
0:02:50 > 0:02:52- Hello, Catrin. It's nice to see you.
0:02:52 > 0:02:55- He was a television cameraman...
0:02:55 > 0:02:59- ..and I'd worked with him myself - before he fell ill.
0:03:00 > 0:03:04- About six months, maybe more, - before we moved house...
0:03:04 > 0:03:08- ..he looked tired all the time, - and pale.
0:03:09 > 0:03:12- He went to the doctor.
0:03:12 > 0:03:15- He was very good - about going to the doctor.
0:03:15 > 0:03:19- Statistics show that men - aren't all that good about doing so.
0:03:20 > 0:03:21- But he was good.
0:03:22 > 0:03:28- He'd been telling me for five years - that he felt weak.
0:03:28 > 0:03:32- That he had no strength, no energy.
0:03:32 > 0:03:37- Andrew had been to see his GP - many times during this period...
0:03:37 > 0:03:40- ..because of his worries - about his health.
0:03:40 > 0:03:43- He was advised to tackle - his high blood pressure.
0:03:44 > 0:03:49- Then, one day, - he saw a different doctor.
0:03:49 > 0:03:54- He told him that he wanted him - to have blood tests immediately.
0:03:54 > 0:03:58- Those blood tests - showed that he was anaemic.
0:03:58 > 0:04:02- The worried doctor - sent him for further tests.
0:04:04 > 0:04:07- He went for the colonoscopy...
0:04:08 > 0:04:10- ..and we were both called in.
0:04:11 > 0:04:14- And, oh...
0:04:17 > 0:04:21- You know, they just said - that there was a growth there.
0:04:21 > 0:04:23- In the bowel.
0:04:25 > 0:04:27- Then I thought, oh...
0:04:28 > 0:04:32- ..it's possible - to get treatment for this.
0:04:32 > 0:04:33- Then they said...
0:04:34 > 0:04:39- ..that, unfortunately, - it had spread to the lungs.
0:04:39 > 0:04:41- They were looking at us...
0:04:43 > 0:04:46- ..fairly seriously.
0:04:49 > 0:04:53- The first step was to remove - the tumour from the bowel.
0:04:56 > 0:04:59- It was at the time - of the Llanelli Eisteddfod.
0:04:59 > 0:05:01- He went in the previous week.
0:05:01 > 0:05:06- He had a big operation, you know...
0:05:06 > 0:05:10- ..to remove this big lump...
0:05:10 > 0:05:12- ..and it was a massive lump.
0:05:15 > 0:05:20- After speaking - to the doctor afterwards...
0:05:21 > 0:05:25- ..we realized that the cancer - had been in his body...
0:05:25 > 0:05:29- ..for about six years.
0:05:31 > 0:05:33- Llio finds it hard to accept...
0:05:33 > 0:05:37- ..that it took so long - to recognize the symptoms of cancer.
0:05:38 > 0:05:39- We knew within a week.
0:05:40 > 0:05:45- It was a matter of blood tests - and a colonoscopy, and we knew.
0:05:45 > 0:05:46- As simple as that.
0:05:49 > 0:05:52- A year later, in August 2015...
0:05:52 > 0:05:56- ..Andrew heard that the cancer - had spread to his brain.
0:05:57 > 0:06:00- Things looked bleak, - but he tried his best to beat it...
0:06:01 > 0:06:04- ..including alternative therapy - in Malaga.
0:06:04 > 0:06:08- He said that he couldn't believe - the care he received.
0:06:08 > 0:06:10- Incredible care from the NHS.
0:06:10 > 0:06:14- But we have to do something - about the diagnosis.
0:06:19 > 0:06:23- Twenty months after the diagnosis...
0:06:23 > 0:06:27- ..on 1 February 2016, Andrew died.
0:06:35 > 0:06:37- It's 7.00am, - and in Penrhyndeudraeth...
0:06:38 > 0:06:41- ..another man - has been diagnosed with cancer.
0:06:41 > 0:06:43- Osian Jones is 24 years old.
0:06:43 > 0:06:47- Along with his mother, - he's going to Glan Clwyd Hospital...
0:06:47 > 0:06:51- ..for his daily - radiotherapy session.
0:06:52 > 0:06:54- What's this? The sixth week?
0:06:54 > 0:06:56- What's this? The sixth week?- - Yes, this is the sixth week now.
0:06:57 > 0:07:01- This is the latest - in two years of treatments...
0:07:01 > 0:07:04- ..to try to deal with the cancer - that began in his bowel.
0:07:07 > 0:07:11- It's affecting me a lot more now, - fatigue and so on.
0:07:11 > 0:07:17- It was tiredness that first took him - to the doctor in October 2014.
0:07:17 > 0:07:20- He was living and working - in Cardiff at the time.
0:07:21 > 0:07:23- I just felt tired all the time.
0:07:24 > 0:07:28- If I sat down, - I'd fall asleep straight away.
0:07:29 > 0:07:31- I had no energy at all.
0:07:31 > 0:07:34- On one occasion, - I went to the doctor.
0:07:34 > 0:07:36- He put it down to exhaustion.
0:07:38 > 0:07:42- Back in Penrhyndeudraeth - over Christmas 2014...
0:07:42 > 0:07:45- ..Osian had stomach ache - and found a lump.
0:07:46 > 0:07:49- Initially, the doctor - diagnosed appendicitis.
0:07:49 > 0:07:52- He was told to come back - if the pain persisted.
0:07:52 > 0:07:57- The next day, his mother sent him - back to insist on blood tests.
0:07:57 > 0:08:00- Within two days, - he was rushed to hospital.
0:08:01 > 0:08:04- They thought - that my appendix had burst.
0:08:04 > 0:08:06- I was taken to Bangor.
0:08:07 > 0:08:12- They treated me - and found signs of bowel cancer.
0:08:16 > 0:08:19- After learning - about the tumour in the bowel...
0:08:19 > 0:08:21- ..his mother was frustrated...
0:08:21 > 0:08:24- ..that he hadn't been sent for tests - months earlier.
0:08:27 > 0:08:29- I do feel...
0:08:29 > 0:08:34- ..that if they'd done - a blood test at that time...
0:08:36 > 0:08:39- ..I'm convinced that something - would have shown up then.
0:08:40 > 0:08:43- They'd have caught it - and it wouldn't have spread.
0:08:44 > 0:08:48- Last October, they learnt that the - cancer had spread to the liver...
0:08:49 > 0:08:52- ..and also found a new tumour - on his brain.
0:08:52 > 0:08:54- They've told me that it's grade 4.
0:08:55 > 0:08:56- An aggressive tumour.
0:08:56 > 0:08:58- They have removed it all.
0:08:59 > 0:09:02- It's gone, - but it will definitely grow back.
0:09:02 > 0:09:07- So, they're giving me radiotherapy - and some chemotherapy.
0:09:07 > 0:09:11- That'll slow it down a little, - but it'll definitely grow back.
0:09:11 > 0:09:14- There's no way to stop it, really.
0:09:14 > 0:09:16- Osian feels that the NHS...
0:09:16 > 0:09:20- ..needs to find better ways - of recognizing cancer symptoms...
0:09:21 > 0:09:23- ..especially in people like him...
0:09:23 > 0:09:26- ..who aren't - in the usual risk categories.
0:09:27 > 0:09:31- Basically, they need a way - to diagnose them sooner.
0:09:31 > 0:09:34- The testing should be much better.
0:09:34 > 0:09:37- It should be different, - and include young people.
0:09:38 > 0:09:40- Better safe than sorry.
0:09:42 > 0:09:47- In part two, fears that Wales - lags behind in diagnosing cancer...
0:09:47 > 0:09:51- ..and the Welsh Government's plans - to tackle the matter.
0:09:51 > 0:09:56- Wales, with other UK countries, has - relatively poor cancer survival...
0:09:56 > 0:09:59- ..compared to most - of Western Europe.
0:10:00 > 0:10:02- Part of the cause - is late diagnosis.
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0:10:14 > 0:10:16- Glan Clwyd Hospital.
0:10:16 > 0:10:20- Osian Jones is undergoing - six weeks' radiotherapy treatment...
0:10:21 > 0:10:24- ..after an operation - to remove a brain tumour.
0:10:26 > 0:10:28- It felt sore last night.
0:10:28 > 0:10:32- Well, yes. It's a bit red now.
0:10:34 > 0:10:35- It's dry.
0:10:35 > 0:10:40- Two years ago, doctors told him - he was suffering from exhaustion...
0:10:40 > 0:10:42- ..and then that he had appendicitis.
0:10:43 > 0:10:47- But after emergency surgery, - they found that he had bowel cancer.
0:10:47 > 0:10:49- Osian Jones?
0:10:52 > 0:10:54- But, in November last year...
0:10:54 > 0:10:58- ..he was told that the cancer - had spread to his liver...
0:10:58 > 0:11:01- ..and that there was also - a tumour on his brain.
0:11:01 > 0:11:04- At the previous diagnosis...
0:11:04 > 0:11:08- ..I could see an end to it.
0:11:08 > 0:11:10- To all of it.
0:11:11 > 0:11:13- But this time...
0:11:13 > 0:11:16- ..he won't get better.
0:11:19 > 0:11:20- It's just a matter of time.
0:11:21 > 0:11:24- It's a terrible thing - for a 24-year-old man to hear.
0:11:26 > 0:11:27- It's just awful.
0:11:28 > 0:11:31- To be honest, - I don't know how he carries on.
0:11:41 > 0:11:45- Although - they've removed the brain tumour...
0:11:45 > 0:11:48- ..and given him - radiotherapy treatment...
0:11:49 > 0:11:51- ..the tumour is likely to grow back.
0:11:57 > 0:12:01- I'm terrible - - I tend not to talk to him about it.
0:12:01 > 0:12:03- I get upset every time.
0:12:06 > 0:12:10- He's starting to speak out more now.
0:12:13 > 0:12:16- He was talking about things - the other day...
0:12:16 > 0:12:18- ..talking about funerals.
0:12:18 > 0:12:20- His own funeral.
0:12:25 > 0:12:28- I'm the one who holds back, not him.
0:12:32 > 0:12:36- It has to be done. That's the thing.
0:12:36 > 0:12:39- It's one of those things - that has to be done.
0:12:40 > 0:12:43- No mother wants to bury her child.
0:12:47 > 0:12:51- But for now, - Osian hopes that the treatment...
0:12:51 > 0:12:54- ..will slow the regrowth - of the tumour.
0:12:54 > 0:12:58- He takes every day as it comes - with family and friends.
0:13:07 > 0:13:10- A year ago, - Llio Silyn lost her husband.
0:13:10 > 0:13:14- He lost his battle with cancer - that started in his bowel.
0:13:16 > 0:13:20- I'm certain he'd be here today - living a healthy life...
0:13:20 > 0:13:23- ..had he had an early diagnosis.
0:13:24 > 0:13:29- The cancer had spread from his - bowel, to his lungs and his head.
0:13:29 > 0:13:31- It was terrible.
0:13:33 > 0:13:34- He was incredibly brave.
0:13:35 > 0:13:40- We need to save patients - and families from all that.
0:13:42 > 0:13:45- Andrew Davies went back and forth - to his GP for years...
0:13:45 > 0:13:48- ..before he discovered - the size of the problem.
0:13:50 > 0:13:54- "Imagine how much this is - all costing," he used to say.
0:13:54 > 0:13:57- "How many thousands - all this is costing."
0:13:57 > 0:14:01- "It could all have been saved, - if I'd been screened before now."
0:14:02 > 0:14:06- There's no point getting an - early diagnosis for breast cancer...
0:14:06 > 0:14:09- ..and cancer of the uterus...
0:14:09 > 0:14:14- ..when all the other cancers - are left behind.
0:14:16 > 0:14:20- There is screening for bowel cancer, - but only for those over 60.
0:14:20 > 0:14:24- At 52, Andrew was too young.
0:14:26 > 0:14:30- Almost 9,000 people died of cancer - in Wales in 2014.
0:14:31 > 0:14:33- A 7% increase - on the previous decade.
0:14:33 > 0:14:37- At the launch of his Cancer - Annual Report last Wednesday...
0:14:37 > 0:14:41- ..Health Secretary Vaughan Gething - said that an early diagnosis...
0:14:42 > 0:14:46- ..was key to improvements in - prognosis for those battling cancer.
0:14:48 > 0:14:50- I went to meet Dr Richard Neal.
0:14:50 > 0:14:55- He works with the International - Cancer Benchmarking Partnership...
0:14:55 > 0:14:58- ..comparing the health systems - of 22 countries.
0:14:59 > 0:15:02- He says that Wales is - notably slow in diagnosing cancer.
0:15:03 > 0:15:06- Wales compares poorly - to other similar countries.
0:15:06 > 0:15:09- When we compare Wales - with other UK countries...
0:15:10 > 0:15:14- ..and other countries with similar - health systems like Denmark...
0:15:14 > 0:15:17- ..Canada, Australia - and bits of Scandinavia...
0:15:17 > 0:15:19- ..the diagnosis times - tend to be longer.
0:15:19 > 0:15:24- He says that GPs are reluctant - to send people for hospital tests...
0:15:24 > 0:15:28- ..because they fear negative - feedback over too many referrals.
0:15:29 > 0:15:35- GPs are very wary - about being seen as high referrers.
0:15:35 > 0:15:38- That's seen as being - a bad GP and bad medicine.
0:15:38 > 0:15:42- That can sometimes deter GPs - from referring the people...
0:15:42 > 0:15:45- ..that they might need to sometimes.
0:15:45 > 0:15:48- He is leading a project - with Bangor University...
0:15:49 > 0:15:50- ..to try to encourage GPs...
0:15:51 > 0:15:54- ..to consider the possibility - of cancer sooner.
0:15:54 > 0:15:59- This is challenging because they are - under pressure to save resources.
0:15:59 > 0:16:03- GPs are excellent at keeping people - away from hospitals.
0:16:03 > 0:16:07- That's great for the health service - because it keeps costs down...
0:16:07 > 0:16:11- ..makes it cost-effective - and prevents a lot of harms.
0:16:11 > 0:16:15- It may be that in Wales, - GPs are better at that...
0:16:15 > 0:16:18- ..which is the worst thing - for cancer.
0:16:20 > 0:16:24- Dr Clifford Jones - practises in Ebbw Vale.
0:16:24 > 0:16:28- He leads a team of GPs and nurses - who are trying to improve...
0:16:28 > 0:16:32- ..the services available - for people with cancer in Wales.
0:16:32 > 0:16:35- The numbers are very small.
0:16:35 > 0:16:38- This practice has 8,000 patients.
0:16:40 > 0:16:46- We probably only have about thirty - new cancer diagnoses in a year.
0:16:47 > 0:16:50- Around 82,000 people a year - in Wales...
0:16:50 > 0:16:54- ..are referred - for emergency examinations...
0:16:54 > 0:16:56- ..because cancer is suspected.
0:16:57 > 0:17:01- But only about 40% of patients - exhibit obvious symptoms.
0:17:01 > 0:17:04- Most exhibit serious - non-specific symptoms...
0:17:04 > 0:17:06- ..or low-risk ambiguous symptoms.
0:17:07 > 0:17:13- If I see someone with symptoms where - I'm not sure what's going on...
0:17:13 > 0:17:17- ..but I know that something is - wrong, I refer them to a specialist.
0:17:17 > 0:17:20- I will request a CT scan.
0:17:21 > 0:17:24- But if they don't have - the 'alarm' symptoms...
0:17:24 > 0:17:27- ..that make me think of cancer...
0:17:27 > 0:17:33- ..then it may not be possible - to get them tested quickly.
0:17:34 > 0:17:40- Instead of waiting - a few weeks for the test...
0:17:40 > 0:17:42- ..they may wait months.
0:17:43 > 0:17:46- The Welsh Government - says that they are tackling this...
0:17:47 > 0:17:49- ..by improving access to tests.
0:17:49 > 0:17:53- They say that pilot schemes for - diagnostic centres are planned...
0:17:54 > 0:17:57- ..for two health boards, Cwm Taf - and Abertawe Bro Morgannwg...
0:17:58 > 0:18:00- ..based on the Danish system.
0:18:00 > 0:18:04- This means that doctors could refer - patients who may have cancer...
0:18:04 > 0:18:07- ..in order - to get a quicker diagnosis.
0:18:07 > 0:18:12- Dr Clifford Jones has been to - Denmark to see the system there...
0:18:12 > 0:18:14- ..and he supports the scheme.
0:18:14 > 0:18:19- The Danish government has said that - every region of Denmark...
0:18:20 > 0:18:22- ..must have a diagnostic centre.
0:18:23 > 0:18:29- At the moment, in Wales, we're - talking about piloting one or two.
0:18:29 > 0:18:33- If they work and we think - it's a system we should adopt...
0:18:33 > 0:18:37- ..then the government - must follow through with it.
0:18:37 > 0:18:41- They must make the resources - available...
0:18:41 > 0:18:45- ..so that this service is available - to the people of Wales.
0:18:46 > 0:18:50- The Welsh Government says that - the success of the pilot scheme...
0:18:51 > 0:18:54- ..will be evaluated - before being extended.
0:18:54 > 0:19:00- What's in the Cancer Delivery Plan - is a good start.
0:19:00 > 0:19:06- What needs to follow on from that - are the resources, funding...
0:19:06 > 0:19:10- ..and staff...
0:19:10 > 0:19:13- ..to see it through...
0:19:14 > 0:19:18- ..and to make the changes - needed for our patients.
0:19:18 > 0:19:22- We requested an interview - with the Health Secretary...
0:19:22 > 0:19:24- ..but he declined.
0:19:24 > 0:19:28- Instead, a statement was issued - by a spokesperson...
0:19:28 > 0:19:30- ..on behalf of the Welsh Government.
0:19:30 > 0:19:35- It said that they aim to diagnose - cancer as quickly as possible...
0:19:35 > 0:19:39- ..and that GPs have a key role - to play in recognising symptoms.
0:19:39 > 0:19:44- The statement also pointed out that - GPs have to follow NICE guidelines.
0:19:44 > 0:19:47- Since the changes made - to those guidelines...
0:19:47 > 0:19:51- ..the number of patients referred - for cancer investigations...
0:19:51 > 0:19:54- ..has risen by 12% - between 2015 and 2016.
0:19:56 > 0:20:02- Osian lived and worked in Cardiff - before his diagnosis two years ago.
0:20:05 > 0:20:09- Last week, he had the chance - to return to the city.
0:20:10 > 0:20:12- This weekend has been brilliant.
0:20:12 > 0:20:15- It's the happiest I've felt - for quite a while.
0:20:15 > 0:20:18- Mam said I was like a child again - yesterday...
0:20:18 > 0:20:20- ..because I knew - I was going to Cardiff.
0:20:21 > 0:20:24- Back in Penrhyndeudraeth, - Osian has a twin.
0:20:24 > 0:20:27- Catrin has been very supportive - of her brother.
0:20:27 > 0:20:30- But she finds it hard - to accept the situation.
0:20:30 > 0:20:33- I thought, "Why does he - have to go through all this?"
0:20:34 > 0:20:36- He's never done any harm to anyone.
0:20:37 > 0:20:42- There are a lot worse people in this - world who get everything on a plate.
0:20:43 > 0:20:48- He had a happy life in Cardiff, - and now this has happened to him.
0:20:50 > 0:20:52- It's shit, really.
0:20:54 > 0:20:57- She's had tests herself, - just in case.
0:20:57 > 0:21:01- She is clear of bowel cancer but she - expects to undergo more tests.
0:21:01 > 0:21:05- But for now, being strong for Osian - is her priority.
0:21:05 > 0:21:07- I try not to think about him.
0:21:07 > 0:21:11- At the start, I couldn't sleep - for thinking about him.
0:21:11 > 0:21:13- But now, I try not to...
0:21:13 > 0:21:17- ..because always thinking the worst - will spoil my life.
0:21:17 > 0:21:23- I just need to make as many memories - with him now as I can.
0:21:24 > 0:21:29- At the end of this month, the pair - are going to Iceland together.
0:21:29 > 0:21:33- Osian wants to see the northern - lights, the Aurora Borealis.
0:21:34 > 0:21:38- I just carry on and try to live - as normal a life as possible.
0:21:38 > 0:21:41- I don't really think about - how much time I've got.
0:21:42 > 0:21:45- There's no point. I just carry on.
0:21:52 > 0:21:55- In 2008, - before Andrew Davies became ill...
0:21:55 > 0:22:00- ..he and his wife Llio - bought Siop y Pentan in Carmarthen.
0:22:00 > 0:22:02- For me...
0:22:02 > 0:22:08- It reminds me in a very positive way - of Andrew.
0:22:08 > 0:22:11- What he did for us as a family.
0:22:11 > 0:22:16- The love and security - he gave us all.
0:22:17 > 0:22:22- He always made sure we were OK - and that we were safe.
0:22:27 > 0:22:31- He was always reminding me - of things I had to do...
0:22:31 > 0:22:33- ..and made sure I'd done - this and that.
0:22:35 > 0:22:41- I still feel his presence - very strongly here.
0:22:41 > 0:22:44- I think it will stay that way.
0:22:45 > 0:22:49- Throughout his career, - Andrew was behind the camera...
0:22:49 > 0:22:52- ..filming other people's stories.
0:22:52 > 0:22:56- But tonight, Llio wanted to draw - attention to his story...
0:22:56 > 0:22:59- ..to emphasise the importance - of early diagnosis.
0:22:59 > 0:23:03- He was a special person. - A father, husband and friend.
0:23:05 > 0:23:08- He was loving, that's the word. - Loving and mischievous.
0:23:13 > 0:23:16- Next week, Conner Marshall - was horrifically murdered...
0:23:16 > 0:23:20- ..by an offender who was in the care - of the probation service.
0:23:20 > 0:23:23- We follow his mother's battle - for justice.
0:23:23 > 0:23:28- There is more support for those - who do these awful things...
0:23:28 > 0:23:33- ..than for us, the innocent family.
0:23:33 > 0:23:37- Concerns are raised about - the planned privatisation...
0:23:37 > 0:23:40- ..of the probation service.
0:23:40 > 0:23:42- That's next Tuesday on S4C.
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