0:00:00 > 0:00:00- .
0:00:00 > 0:00:03- What's this? An injection.
0:00:04 > 0:00:06- I don't like doing this.
0:00:08 > 0:00:11- Two years ago, - we filmed with a young woman...
0:00:11 > 0:00:13- ..who was waiting for a kidney.
0:00:14 > 0:00:19- Once a week. Every Tuesday night.
0:00:19 > 0:00:22- At the time, - Wales was introducing a new law...
0:00:22 > 0:00:26- ..about organ donation - - deemed consent.
0:00:31 > 0:00:34- Tonight, Llio Dudley is back - on Y Byd ar Bedwar.
0:00:35 > 0:00:40- She's taking us on a journey to meet - people waiting for a transplant.
0:00:40 > 0:00:42- You go to very dark places.
0:00:42 > 0:00:44- No-one wants to be ill forever.
0:00:44 > 0:00:47- No-one wants to be in and out - of hospital all the time.
0:00:49 > 0:00:52- She asks how much difference - has the new law made.
0:00:54 > 0:00:57- Do you think it's made - a difference...
0:00:57 > 0:01:00- ..to you as someone - who's on the waiting list?
0:01:00 > 0:01:01- Waiting list for a heart?
0:01:01 > 0:01:02- Waiting list for a heart?- - Yes.
0:01:02 > 0:01:04- Not at all. Not at all.
0:01:06 > 0:01:10- With patients waiting in vain - for organs every year...
0:01:10 > 0:01:15- ..Llio asks the health secretary - about the value of the policy.
0:01:17 > 0:01:19- Do you think the policy is failing?
0:01:19 > 0:01:22- I don't you can put this down - to the policy.
0:01:32 > 0:01:34- I'm Llio Dudley.
0:01:34 > 0:01:37- Two years ago, I had a kidney - from my sister, Ffion.
0:01:38 > 0:01:41- I'm on my way to the clinic - in Ysbyty Gwynedd.
0:01:42 > 0:01:44- It's a specialist kidney clinic.
0:01:45 > 0:01:47- It's a journey I take - every three months...
0:01:47 > 0:01:50- ..for a check-up - and to make sure everything's OK.
0:01:52 > 0:01:54- Hello, how are you?
0:01:54 > 0:01:55- Hello, how are you?- - OK, thanks.
0:01:55 > 0:02:01- Between April 2014 and 2015, - Llio was one of 172 people...
0:02:01 > 0:02:04- ..to receive a transplant in Wales.
0:02:04 > 0:02:07- She's fully recovered now...
0:02:07 > 0:02:11- ..but still remembers the strain - during the darker times.
0:02:11 > 0:02:17- I just felt like I hadn't done most - things other young people had done.
0:02:17 > 0:02:23- I was worried about the future - - would I be able to have children...
0:02:23 > 0:02:26- ..would I be able to lead - a normal life?
0:02:26 > 0:02:30- So many things - were racing through my mind.
0:02:30 > 0:02:31- Llio Meleri Dudley?
0:02:32 > 0:02:36- She still attends - regular hospital appointments.
0:02:36 > 0:02:40- She will take medication - for the rest of her life.
0:02:40 > 0:02:42- Hello, nice to meet you.
0:02:43 > 0:02:46- And you as well. Are you OK?
0:02:46 > 0:02:47- How are you?
0:02:48 > 0:02:52- Llio was fortunate to receive - a kidney from her sister.
0:02:52 > 0:02:55- She didn't have to stay - on a waiting list.
0:02:55 > 0:02:59- After meeting several people - who were still on a waiting list...
0:03:00 > 0:03:04- ..she contacted us to suggest - a programme on deemed consent.
0:03:06 > 0:03:09- Thank you very much. - Bye now. Thank you.
0:03:12 > 0:03:14- She welcomed the new law - two years ago...
0:03:15 > 0:03:19- ..and tonight, she tries to discover - if it's made a difference.
0:03:20 > 0:03:25- I hope so. I can't tell you - for certain if it has.
0:03:25 > 0:03:30- That's why making this programme - will help me find the answers.
0:03:31 > 0:03:33- Today, Llio's journey begins...
0:03:34 > 0:03:38- ..with a visit to see someone - who's waiting for a kidney.
0:03:39 > 0:03:43- Well, it's 7.00am.
0:03:43 > 0:03:46- We're on our way to Llandysul.
0:03:46 > 0:03:50- We're meeting a man - who's waiting for two transplants...
0:03:50 > 0:03:52- ..a kidney and a pancreas.
0:03:53 > 0:03:55- I'm looking forward - to hearing his story...
0:03:55 > 0:03:59- ..and finding out - what he's been through...
0:03:59 > 0:04:02- ..and hearing his views - on the new law.
0:04:09 > 0:04:14- Carwyn Jones is 31 years old. - He became ill 18 months ago.
0:04:15 > 0:04:17- I was ill all the time.
0:04:18 > 0:04:20- I kept on going back - to see my doctor.
0:04:20 > 0:04:23- I'd recover but had to go back - to see the doctor again.
0:04:24 > 0:04:29- They discovered that things weren't - right. My heart was enlarged.
0:04:29 > 0:04:31- I had an irregular heartbeat.
0:04:32 > 0:04:36- From then on, we realised - that my kidneys had failed.
0:04:37 > 0:04:40- He was rushed to Morriston Hospital - for treatment...
0:04:40 > 0:04:44- ..and he discovered - he needed a kidney transplant.
0:04:44 > 0:04:47- He also has diabetes.
0:04:48 > 0:04:53- He was told he needed a double - transplant - kidney and pancreas.
0:04:54 > 0:04:58- I was quite depressed about it, - as anyone would be.
0:04:58 > 0:05:01- I worried about recovering.
0:05:02 > 0:05:04- Would I be able to carry on?
0:05:04 > 0:05:06- Everything goes through your mind.
0:05:06 > 0:05:10- Millions of questions - go through your mind.
0:05:10 > 0:05:15- Ten people in Wales are waiting for - a kidney and pancreas transplant.
0:05:15 > 0:05:19- Carwyn isn't strong enough - to be on the waiting list...
0:05:19 > 0:05:23- ..and he visits the gym once a week - to strengthen his body.
0:05:24 > 0:05:26- It's turned my life upside-down.
0:05:27 > 0:05:29- I used to be physically active.
0:05:30 > 0:05:33- Before I returned to the gym, - I could hardly walk.
0:05:34 > 0:05:36- Walking made me tired.
0:05:36 > 0:05:39- Visiting the gym helps.
0:05:40 > 0:05:43- Carwyn lives in Pontsian - near Llandysul.
0:05:43 > 0:05:46- Llio has called to see him.
0:05:47 > 0:05:50- Hello, Carwyn. - How are you? I'm Llio.
0:05:51 > 0:05:53- Nice to meet you. Come in.
0:05:58 > 0:06:03- Well, the first thing we should do - is take our tablets together!
0:06:03 > 0:06:06- It's a daily routine.
0:06:08 > 0:06:12- Before becoming ill, Carwyn - used to play rugby at scrum-half...
0:06:13 > 0:06:16- ..and he ran - a tyre-changing business in Crymych.
0:06:17 > 0:06:22- Llio wants to see how his life - has changed over the past two years.
0:06:22 > 0:06:25- I'll take my coat off - and then we'll have a chat.
0:06:27 > 0:06:31- How has it affected your life? - You're not working now, are you?
0:06:31 > 0:06:36- I tried to carry on, carry on living - as I was. I wanted to carry on.
0:06:36 > 0:06:41- The more time went on, you could - feel it affecting you even more.
0:06:42 > 0:06:46- What seemed to be easy to do before, - it wasn't easy anymore.
0:06:46 > 0:06:48- Walking.
0:06:48 > 0:06:52- Out of breath because of the fluids - building up in the body.
0:06:53 > 0:06:56- I can only drink - a litre of fluid a day.
0:06:56 > 0:06:58- A litre?
0:06:59 > 0:07:03- That includes everything - - water, tea, coffee.
0:07:03 > 0:07:06- Jelly and ice cream.
0:07:06 > 0:07:08- A day?
0:07:08 > 0:07:09- Do you find that difficult?
0:07:09 > 0:07:11- Do you find that difficult?- - It's difficult, it really is.
0:07:11 > 0:07:16- You find that friends drift away. - You hear less from them.
0:07:16 > 0:07:18- They can't deal with the facts.
0:07:18 > 0:07:20- You can't up and go.
0:07:21 > 0:07:23- You can't go out.
0:07:24 > 0:07:29- They're still there but they don't - want to do as much with you...
0:07:29 > 0:07:31- ..as you used to do.
0:07:31 > 0:07:33- It affects everyone.
0:07:33 > 0:07:35- Everyone.
0:07:36 > 0:07:40- Steve Griffith from Cardiff - is also waiting for a transplant.
0:07:42 > 0:07:45- He's 53 years old - and a father to two children.
0:07:46 > 0:07:51- He's under the care of cardiologists - in Cardiff and Birmingham.
0:07:52 > 0:07:56- I'm on my way to the Heath Hospital - in Cardiff.
0:07:56 > 0:07:59- I'm off to see the doctor.
0:08:00 > 0:08:04- I'll see how it goes with him.
0:08:05 > 0:08:09- Five years ago, - he started feeling ill and tired.
0:08:12 > 0:08:16- After visiting the doctor, - he realised he'd had a heart attack.
0:08:18 > 0:08:24- I was out of breath. I couldn't - put my shoes and socks on.
0:08:27 > 0:08:31- I went back to see the boy - in the hospital...
0:08:32 > 0:08:35- ..and he said, - "Something's wrong here."
0:08:35 > 0:08:40- He said, - "You're in end stage heart failure."
0:08:40 > 0:08:43- I thought, "That sounds great. - What's end stage?"
0:08:44 > 0:08:48- "What it says on the tin. - End stage is end stage."
0:08:48 > 0:08:51- The left side of his heart - has stopped working.
0:08:51 > 0:08:53- An LVAD electrical device...
0:08:53 > 0:08:56- ..is keeping the blood - flowing through his body.
0:08:57 > 0:08:59- But it doesn't solve the problem.
0:09:02 > 0:09:04- I'd like to walk and talk - at the same time.
0:09:05 > 0:09:07- That's difficult. - This is only going at one pace.
0:09:08 > 0:09:10- I can only do certain things.
0:09:10 > 0:09:15- It is... It does hinder me slightly.
0:09:15 > 0:09:18- I'd rather have it and still be - alive than not have it.
0:09:19 > 0:09:22- The consequences - of not having it were pretty dire.
0:09:23 > 0:09:27- In the past year, - 12 Welsh people received new hearts.
0:09:27 > 0:09:32- Steve says he's been waiting - for years for a transplant.
0:09:32 > 0:09:36- If a heart became available now, - would you accept it?
0:09:36 > 0:09:38- Of course I would. Absolutely.
0:09:39 > 0:09:41- How do you think - it would change your life?
0:09:42 > 0:09:46- I'd just be relying on not being - attached to 12 inches of cable...
0:09:47 > 0:09:49- ..and plugging into the mains - at night.
0:09:50 > 0:09:53- It'll free me up. I could have - a proper shower and bath.
0:09:53 > 0:09:56- I can't do that with this machine.
0:09:56 > 0:09:59- It's silly little things, - silly little things.
0:09:59 > 0:10:02- I'm still here - and that's the main thing.
0:10:02 > 0:10:05- After the break, - Llio meets a nurse...
0:10:05 > 0:10:09- ..who breaks bad news to relatives - when loved ones pass away.
0:10:09 > 0:10:12- I can look at the register to see - if someone's made a decision...
0:10:13 > 0:10:18- ..to opt in or out - but we have to speak to the family.
0:10:18 > 0:10:20- We speak of donating as an option.
0:10:21 > 0:10:25- She also asks how effective - the policy really is.
0:10:28 > 0:10:30- The number on the transplant - waiting list...
0:10:30 > 0:10:34- ..has increased - in the last two years.
0:10:34 > 0:10:37- Has that got anything to do - with the policy?
0:10:38 > 0:10:41- It's hard to say if it's got - anything to do with the policy.
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0:10:51 > 0:10:53- Glangwili Hospital, Carmarthen.
0:10:54 > 0:10:56- Three times a week...
0:10:57 > 0:11:01- ..Carwyn Jones comes here - for six hours of dialysis.
0:11:01 > 0:11:03- He needs a new kidney - and pancreas...
0:11:04 > 0:11:07- ..and the treatment - manages his condition.
0:11:07 > 0:11:08- Another one done.
0:11:08 > 0:11:10- Another one done.- - Six hours!
0:11:10 > 0:11:14- Yes, six hours. I'm tired now.
0:11:14 > 0:11:16- I feel weak.
0:11:16 > 0:11:21- It has to be done. It's what - keeps me and lots of people alive.
0:11:22 > 0:11:26- Two years ago, Llio Dudley - had a new kidney from her sister.
0:11:27 > 0:11:31- She's on a journey to discover more - about the deemed consent law.
0:11:32 > 0:11:37- She's meeting a specialist nurse - who discusses organ donation...
0:11:37 > 0:11:39- ..with bereaved families.
0:11:41 > 0:11:45- This opt-in, opt-out business. - What's your role with that?
0:11:45 > 0:11:47- Does it make it easier?
0:11:47 > 0:11:53- The doctor speaks to us. He asks us - to speak with the bereaved families.
0:11:53 > 0:11:55- We check the list before we meet.
0:11:55 > 0:11:59- We check the register to see - if someone's made a decision...
0:11:59 > 0:12:02- ..to opt in or opt out.
0:12:03 > 0:12:05- It's a conversation - with the families.
0:12:05 > 0:12:09- We sit down and make sure - they understand what's happening.
0:12:09 > 0:12:14- We give them plenty of time - to come to terms with the news.
0:12:15 > 0:12:18- It's really difficult for them - to take everything in.
0:12:19 > 0:12:22- We speak to them - about the option of donation.
0:12:22 > 0:12:25- I've made a decision - about organ donation.
0:12:25 > 0:12:28- To encourage conversation - about organ donation...
0:12:28 > 0:12:30- ..the government released - this advert.
0:12:31 > 0:12:33- Dad, no!
0:12:33 > 0:12:36- Last year, the families - of 21 people in Wales...
0:12:36 > 0:12:41- ..refused to donate the organs - of their loved ones...
0:12:41 > 0:12:43- ..to people on waiting lists.
0:12:43 > 0:12:47- None had opted out - and many had opted in.
0:12:47 > 0:12:50- Talk about organ donation.
0:12:50 > 0:12:53- Or maybe someone else - will speak on your behalf.
0:12:53 > 0:12:57- As a nurse working in this field, - Lucy emphasises the importance...
0:12:58 > 0:13:01- ..of families - speaking about organ donation.
0:13:01 > 0:13:04- It's really important - to speak to your families...
0:13:05 > 0:13:07- ..about what you want.
0:13:07 > 0:13:09- If they see something on TV...
0:13:09 > 0:13:13- ..that helps them decide - to donate organs...
0:13:13 > 0:13:16- ..it's easier for the family - to know what they want.
0:13:19 > 0:13:23- A very interesting chat - with Lucy there.
0:13:23 > 0:13:28- I must say that I'm still - not sure what's going on...
0:13:28 > 0:13:30- ..in terms of...
0:13:30 > 0:13:36- Lucy said that she - and the other specialist nurses...
0:13:36 > 0:13:39- ..still talk to parents - and families...
0:13:40 > 0:13:44- ..even when their loved one - has opted in or opted out.
0:13:44 > 0:13:49- If that person has opted in, why - are they having the conversation?
0:13:49 > 0:13:52- That person has already made - the decision.
0:13:53 > 0:13:56- As she said, - that conversation is critical...
0:13:56 > 0:14:00- ..the conversation between - the family and the potential donor.
0:14:01 > 0:14:05- 242 people are waiting - for organ donations in Wales.
0:14:06 > 0:14:10- Llio is on her way to the home of - one of the ten waiting for a heart.
0:14:12 > 0:14:15- This afternoon, - I'm meeting Steven Griffith.
0:14:15 > 0:14:20- I'm hoping to discover his attitude - towards the new policy...
0:14:20 > 0:14:24- ..and find out if it's made - any difference to him...
0:14:24 > 0:14:27- ..since he's on a waiting list - for a heart transplant.
0:14:28 > 0:14:32- Steve has been waiting for - a transplant for over four years.
0:14:32 > 0:14:34- Hello, Steve, how are you?
0:14:35 > 0:14:37- Hello, come in.
0:14:38 > 0:14:41- He has doubts - about the value of the new law.
0:14:42 > 0:14:47- Has it made a difference to someone - like you who's on a waiting list?
0:14:48 > 0:14:49- For a new heart?
0:14:49 > 0:14:50- Yes.
0:14:50 > 0:14:52- Yes.- - Not at all. Not at all.
0:14:53 > 0:14:54- Why not?
0:14:55 > 0:14:59- I asked! I asked in Birmingham - and they said not at all.
0:15:02 > 0:15:05- With a heart, - as I mentioned earlier...
0:15:05 > 0:15:07- ..someone has to die.
0:15:07 > 0:15:10- There's a lot of stigma - with hearts.
0:15:10 > 0:15:15- They told me up in Birmingham that - when it comes to a transplant...
0:15:15 > 0:15:17- ..people sometimes - change their minds.
0:15:18 > 0:15:22- "You can have everything else - but don't take the heart."
0:15:22 > 0:15:26- The man's dead and that heart - can save someone's life.
0:15:27 > 0:15:34- Do you think that asking someone's - wife, husband or parents...
0:15:34 > 0:15:39- ..do you think it's right - that nurses and doctors ask them?
0:15:39 > 0:15:42- If they've opted in, no.
0:15:42 > 0:15:46- They might have lost someone - that's dear to them.
0:15:46 > 0:15:50- It's the wrong time - to ask a family...
0:15:51 > 0:15:53- After losing someone.
0:15:53 > 0:15:56- That's what I say, don't do it.
0:15:56 > 0:15:58- Respect their wishes.
0:15:58 > 0:16:01- True enough. - That's how I would feel.
0:16:04 > 0:16:07- I've just visited Steven. Wow.
0:16:07 > 0:16:10- He's a very positive man.
0:16:10 > 0:16:13- I admire him greatly.
0:16:14 > 0:16:18- As he was saying, - both of us feel it's so important...
0:16:18 > 0:16:24- ..that families discuss the subject - of organ donation after death.
0:16:24 > 0:16:29- For someone like Steven - who's waiting for a heart...
0:16:29 > 0:16:33- ..it's crucial - that the family are aware...
0:16:33 > 0:16:37- ..of the wishes - of the individual after they die...
0:16:37 > 0:16:42- ..and whether he or she wants - to donate their organs.
0:16:45 > 0:16:47- 39% of people in Wales - have opted in...
0:16:47 > 0:16:50- ..and 6% have opted out - of organ donation.
0:16:51 > 0:16:55- Over half the population - haven't made a decision.
0:16:57 > 0:17:02- Health service figures show that the - waiting list for receiving organs...
0:17:03 > 0:17:06- ..has increased - since the new law was introduced.
0:17:06 > 0:17:11- At the end of March 2015, 220 people - were waiting for a transplant.
0:17:13 > 0:17:16- Today, 242 are on the waiting list.
0:17:19 > 0:17:21- That's an increase of 10%.
0:17:24 > 0:17:27- The number of people - on the transplant waiting list...
0:17:27 > 0:17:30- ..has increased - in the last two years.
0:17:30 > 0:17:34- Has that got anything to do - with the policy?
0:17:34 > 0:17:37- It's hard to say if it's got - anything to do with the policy.
0:17:38 > 0:17:41- More people have positively - registered in Wales.
0:17:41 > 0:17:44- There's been a rise - in registrations.
0:17:44 > 0:17:47- Some people have registered - to opt out as well.
0:17:48 > 0:17:51- That has to be real - because part of the concern was...
0:17:51 > 0:17:55- ..that the state would take over - and decide for you what to happen.
0:17:55 > 0:17:58- Despite a longer waiting list...
0:17:58 > 0:18:01- ..Vaughan Gething claims - that changing the law...
0:18:01 > 0:18:05- ..makes people more aware - of the importance of organ donation.
0:18:05 > 0:18:09- The other thing that's changed - is the culture around donation.
0:18:09 > 0:18:13- That's part of what we want to see - happen, that donation is expected.
0:18:13 > 0:18:18- We have this mismatch between people - who accept an organ as a donation...
0:18:19 > 0:18:23- ..and those who say they positively - give if in a position to do so.
0:18:23 > 0:18:25- There's then also the family...
0:18:26 > 0:18:30- ..and how the family - support the choices people make.
0:18:30 > 0:18:32- That's a barrier - to donation taking place.
0:18:33 > 0:18:37- A longer waiting list isn't - the only surprising development.
0:18:37 > 0:18:40- It appears - that the deemed consent law...
0:18:41 > 0:18:43- ..has made little difference...
0:18:43 > 0:18:46- ..to the number of transplants - Welsh people receive.
0:18:47 > 0:18:50- During the 2013-14 financial year...
0:18:50 > 0:18:56- ..157 organs were donated - from the bodies of the deceased.
0:18:56 > 0:18:59- During the first year - after passing the law...
0:19:00 > 0:19:02- ..this increased to 168.
0:19:06 > 0:19:11- Last year, the number was 135, - a drop of 20%.
0:19:14 > 0:19:17- Do you think the policy is failing?
0:19:17 > 0:19:20- I don't think you can put it down - to the policy.
0:19:21 > 0:19:24- The first two years were important - in people understanding the changes.
0:19:25 > 0:19:29- Do you think maybe next year or the - year after, you'll see a difference?
0:19:30 > 0:19:35- I hope we see an improvement in the - number of donations taking place.
0:19:35 > 0:19:39- The first two years - were always going to be difficult.
0:19:39 > 0:19:43- Next year, we're focusing - on that family conversation.
0:19:43 > 0:19:47- After five years, - there'll be a more rounded place.
0:19:47 > 0:19:49- Look over the five years - to see where we are.
0:19:50 > 0:19:55- Wales is the only country in the UK - to introduce deemed consent...
0:19:55 > 0:19:57- ..but there's no guarantee...
0:19:57 > 0:20:01- ..that Welsh patients - are the ones to benefit.
0:20:01 > 0:20:03- According to recent figures...
0:20:03 > 0:20:07- ..76 patients have received organs - under the new law.
0:20:07 > 0:20:09- Only 11 came from Wales.
0:20:13 > 0:20:15- After speaking with the minister...
0:20:16 > 0:20:20- ..Llio is surprised that the law - hasn't made a greater impact.
0:20:22 > 0:20:26- I must say, I'm disappointed - from my perspective...
0:20:26 > 0:20:30- ..that two years - will have passed by December...
0:20:30 > 0:20:35- ..and we haven't necessarily - seen a difference up to now.
0:20:36 > 0:20:38- We'll have to wait and see...
0:20:38 > 0:20:42- ..if there is a difference - in the policy in the coming years.
0:20:43 > 0:20:48- At his home in Pontsian, - Carwyn Jones has received good news.
0:20:49 > 0:20:53- Within a fortnight, he will undergo - tests at Cardiff's Heath Hospital.
0:20:53 > 0:20:57- He's hoping to join the ten...
0:20:57 > 0:21:00- ..on a waiting list - for a double transplant.
0:21:00 > 0:21:03- He has a message for anyone - who questions the value...
0:21:04 > 0:21:06- ..of the deemed consent law.
0:21:06 > 0:21:10- When it was introduced, I never - thought I'd be in this position.
0:21:11 > 0:21:16- It's a difficult time when you - lose a family member or friend...
0:21:16 > 0:21:21- ..but you can save many lives - and give someone a new life.
0:21:21 > 0:21:24- People like me - and hundreds of other people.
0:21:24 > 0:21:30- I urge everyone to speak to - their families, partners, friends.
0:21:31 > 0:21:34- If they could see how much - it helps people like me...
0:21:35 > 0:21:37- ..they could see the good it does...
0:21:38 > 0:21:41- ..when an organ donation is made - by the deceased.
0:21:43 > 0:21:47- Llio Dudley now works - in Ysgol Eifionydd, Porthmadog.
0:21:53 > 0:21:56- Before she received a new kidney - from her sister in 2015...
0:21:57 > 0:22:01- ..she also relied on dialysis.
0:22:03 > 0:22:06- I felt completely different - after the transplant.
0:22:06 > 0:22:11- I can't describe the difference. - I can remember how ill I was.
0:22:11 > 0:22:13- I live like to the full.
0:22:13 > 0:22:18- I wake up in the morning and I - don't complain because I'm not ill.
0:22:20 > 0:22:23- Not everyone - is as fortunate as Llio.
0:22:23 > 0:22:27- On average, two people die - each month in Wales...
0:22:27 > 0:22:29- ..while waiting for a transplant.
0:22:31 > 0:22:33- By doing this programme...
0:22:33 > 0:22:38- ..seeing different statistics - and meeting different people...
0:22:38 > 0:22:43- ..I've realised that this new law - has made no difference at all.
0:22:43 > 0:22:45- I'm disappointed.
0:22:45 > 0:22:49- I expected to see - an improvement after two years.
0:22:49 > 0:22:52- Thank you. Ta-ra.
0:22:52 > 0:22:56- At the end of her journey, - Llio wants to see more done...
0:22:56 > 0:23:01- ..to ensure that people receive - organ donations in the future.
0:23:01 > 0:23:04- I really hope - that a change will happen...
0:23:05 > 0:23:08- ..during the next year, - over three years...
0:23:08 > 0:23:10- ..in five years...
0:23:10 > 0:23:13- ..for those who desperately need - an organ here in Wales.
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