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0:00:04 > 0:00:08- While the number of accidents - on our roads is decreasing...

0:00:08 > 0:00:12- ..the number of bikers killed - or badly injured is on the increase.

0:00:14 > 0:00:17- Tonight, we're on the road - with the police.

0:00:19 > 0:00:21- There's a time to go - and a time to hold back.

0:00:22 > 0:00:24- A few overtakes there - shouldn't have happened.

0:00:25 > 0:00:28- This year, North Wales Police - released this footage...

0:00:29 > 0:00:31- ..of motorbikes doing 140mph.

0:00:31 > 0:00:34- Are some bikers to blame - for the accidents?

0:00:34 > 0:00:37- Some bikes come past...

0:00:37 > 0:00:42- ..and it's a wonder - that they can turn the corner.

0:00:42 > 0:00:44- Some of them are a disgrace.

0:00:45 > 0:00:48- Or should other drivers - be more alert?

0:00:48 > 0:00:51- Car drivers - should ride a motorbike...

0:00:51 > 0:00:54- ..before they get a licence - to drive a car.

0:00:54 > 0:00:56- That's where - a lot of the trouble lies.

0:00:57 > 0:01:01- Tonight, we talk to relatives - of vulnerable bikers.

0:01:01 > 0:01:04- I said, "Is he alive or dead?"

0:01:04 > 0:01:06- And...

0:01:09 > 0:01:11- ..I knew in my heart...

0:01:11 > 0:01:14- ..that I was going to hear...

0:01:14 > 0:01:17- ..the worst news - you can hear as a parent...

0:01:19 > 0:01:20- ..as a mother.

0:01:32 > 0:01:36- It's a Sunday afternoon, and I'm - on patrol with North Wales Police.

0:01:38 > 0:01:41- Solid whites, - the middle and the back riders.

0:01:43 > 0:01:47- Gerallt Williams is travelling - in an unmarked car on the A5.

0:01:48 > 0:01:52- Two motorbikes have just crossed - the solid central white line.

0:01:53 > 0:01:55- They were going quite fast as well.

0:01:55 > 0:01:56- They were going quite fast as well.- - Yes.

0:01:58 > 0:02:00- Well over 30mph.

0:02:02 > 0:02:05- The shift is part - of Operation Darwen...

0:02:05 > 0:02:10- ..a Wales-wide campaign to cut the - number of bikers killed or injured.

0:02:10 > 0:02:12- SIREN

0:02:12 > 0:02:17- This time, he's following - a group of German bikers.

0:02:18 > 0:02:20- Are you all alright with English?

0:02:20 > 0:02:21- No, he can't...

0:02:21 > 0:02:22- No, he can't...- - OK.

0:02:23 > 0:02:26- The reason I've stopped you, - the first one...

0:02:26 > 0:02:29- ..you're just going - a bit quick, OK?

0:02:29 > 0:02:31- You can't cross solid white lines.

0:02:32 > 0:02:34- You've crossed one, - and you have as well.

0:02:35 > 0:02:36- We crossed the line?

0:02:36 > 0:02:37- We crossed the line?- - Yes.

0:02:37 > 0:02:39- HE SPEAKS GERMAN

0:02:46 > 0:02:49- One of the aims of the job - is to educate.

0:02:49 > 0:02:52- This time, it's a word of advice...

0:02:52 > 0:02:55- ..rather than a fine - and penalty points.

0:02:56 > 0:02:59- I had a word with all three - to explain why I stopped them...

0:03:00 > 0:03:04- ..just to point out - what they had done...

0:03:04 > 0:03:10- ..and the potential dangers - of crossing the white lines.

0:03:10 > 0:03:12- We don't want them doing that...

0:03:13 > 0:03:16- ..or breaking the 30mph limit - in Capel Curig.

0:03:16 > 0:03:19- Just point it out to them - and send them on their way.

0:03:20 > 0:03:22- Hopefully, they'll take note.

0:03:23 > 0:03:29- Motorbikes make up about 1% - of all the traffic on Welsh roads.

0:03:29 > 0:03:33- But although their numbers - may be comparatively small...

0:03:33 > 0:03:37- ..almost 25% of those killed - or seriously injured on our roads...

0:03:37 > 0:03:39- ..are riding motorbikes.

0:03:42 > 0:03:46- Three years ago, Clare Calveley's - life was shattered...

0:03:46 > 0:03:49- ..when her brother Ben - was killed on his motorbike.

0:03:51 > 0:03:55- Every week, she visits the site - of the accident on Anglesey.

0:03:56 > 0:03:58- I always bring balloons.

0:03:59 > 0:04:00- I don't bring flowers.

0:04:00 > 0:04:04- Ben wasn't one for flowers, - so I bring balloons.

0:04:06 > 0:04:08- They remind me of him, really.

0:04:08 > 0:04:10- Maybe I'll bring sweets.

0:04:11 > 0:04:13- He loved sweets.

0:04:14 > 0:04:20- Ben was 19 years old, - but he had passed his test aged 16.

0:04:20 > 0:04:23- He spent a lot of time - with fellow bikers.

0:04:26 > 0:04:30- He went out a lot with friends, - to Betws-y-Coed on a Sunday.

0:04:30 > 0:04:33- He had a lot of friends - in the biking world.

0:04:34 > 0:04:39- He had gone racing at Preston Docks - since he was quite young...

0:04:39 > 0:04:42- ..so he had friends that way too.

0:04:42 > 0:04:44- On the night of the accident...

0:04:44 > 0:04:47- ..Ben had been - to see friends in Llangefni.

0:04:47 > 0:04:52- Because the Rali Mon rally was on, - he had to go home a different way.

0:04:52 > 0:04:57- Near Bodffordd, he crashed head-on - into a 4x4 vehicle.

0:04:57 > 0:04:59- They just crashed into each other.

0:05:00 > 0:05:02- Why it happened, I don't know.

0:05:02 > 0:05:04- No-one knows. We can't say.

0:05:08 > 0:05:13- At the inquest, it became clear - that neither driver was speeding.

0:05:13 > 0:05:16- However, witnesses - and the coroner said...

0:05:16 > 0:05:19- ..that Ben - was on the wrong side of the road.

0:05:19 > 0:05:22- But his sister - still finds that hard to believe.

0:05:23 > 0:05:28- What I can say - is that I'm certain...

0:05:28 > 0:05:30- ..one hundred per cent certain...

0:05:30 > 0:05:33- ..that all Ben was doing - was trying to get home.

0:05:34 > 0:05:37- On Ben's part, - I don't think he did anything wrong.

0:05:40 > 0:05:43- The accident - has affected the family.

0:05:43 > 0:05:46- Clare's parents' health - has suffered.

0:05:46 > 0:05:51- Her father has just come home - after undergoing heart surgery.

0:05:52 > 0:05:54- Dad's had problems with his heart.

0:05:55 > 0:05:58- Basically, he has a broken heart.

0:05:59 > 0:06:00- It's not working properly.

0:06:02 > 0:06:03- So, yes...

0:06:12 > 0:06:14- Back on the A5, - PC Gerallt Williams...

0:06:14 > 0:06:18- ..is looking for bikers - who are driving dangerously.

0:06:18 > 0:06:21- How big a problem are motorbikes?

0:06:21 > 0:06:23- How big a problem are motorbikes?- - A lot of them come to North Wales...

0:06:23 > 0:06:25- ..especially at weekends.

0:06:27 > 0:06:28- They come from all over.

0:06:30 > 0:06:34- They usually come in groups.

0:06:34 > 0:06:38- What we're trying to do - with Operation Darwen...

0:06:38 > 0:06:42- ..is getting the message across - about riding safely.

0:06:44 > 0:06:49- Many of the riders are attracted - by North Wales' winding roads.

0:06:49 > 0:06:53- Those roads are busy, - especially on fine weekends.

0:06:53 > 0:06:55- SIREN

0:06:56 > 0:07:01- He has spotted a group of bikers - speeding through Corwen.

0:07:07 > 0:07:08- Are you alright?

0:07:09 > 0:07:10- OK.

0:07:11 > 0:07:13- Why do you think I've stopped you?

0:07:13 > 0:07:14- Don't know.

0:07:14 > 0:07:16- Don't know.- - Going a bit over 60?

0:07:17 > 0:07:23- The four men are going home - to Bristol after a weekend in Wales.

0:07:24 > 0:07:25- Look at this first, OK.

0:07:25 > 0:07:28- This is me coming out of Corwen, - that village back there.

0:07:29 > 0:07:30- What do you think - these people are thinking?

0:07:31 > 0:07:32- The way you're riding now.

0:07:32 > 0:07:33- The way you're riding now.- - Probably not impressed.

0:07:34 > 0:07:38- I can only apologise. - Obviously, I try to keep safe gaps.

0:07:38 > 0:07:40- I saw you behind me, - you put your hand up...

0:07:41 > 0:07:43- ..then your mate goes flying past.

0:07:43 > 0:07:44- We're just by the 60s.

0:07:45 > 0:07:47- That's my speed, - so how much is he doing?

0:07:47 > 0:07:50- There's a time to go - and a time to hold back.

0:07:50 > 0:07:53- A few overtakes there - shouldn't have happened.

0:07:53 > 0:07:54- It wasn't safe.

0:07:55 > 0:07:58- What if something came - round the corner at the same speed?

0:07:58 > 0:08:01- What I don't want - is you going round that bend...

0:08:01 > 0:08:03- ..and things going wrong.

0:08:04 > 0:08:09- Two of them get tickets for having - illegal registration plates...

0:08:09 > 0:08:13- ..but they get off with a warning - for their excess speeding.

0:08:14 > 0:08:17- Why did you decide - not to take the matter further?

0:08:18 > 0:08:19- I spoke to all four.

0:08:19 > 0:08:24- I showed the video to all four, - just to show why I stopped them.

0:08:24 > 0:08:28- I spoke to them, to make them aware - of what can go wrong...

0:08:28 > 0:08:32- ..and what can happen on roads - that are unfamiliar to them.

0:08:35 > 0:08:37- Last year in Wales...

0:08:38 > 0:08:42- ..273 bikers were killed - or seriously injured on our roads.

0:08:45 > 0:08:51- Nine motorcyclists have died in the - Dyfed Powys Police area this year.

0:08:54 > 0:08:56- They aren't all young men.

0:09:00 > 0:09:02- Just under a month ago...

0:09:03 > 0:09:07- ..here on the A40 - between Llandovery and Halfway...

0:09:07 > 0:09:12- ..two bikers were killed in a crash - with a van towing a trailer.

0:09:12 > 0:09:16- Philip Martin Brimble - from Bridgend was 47...

0:09:16 > 0:09:21- ..and Philip Wayne Edwards - from Merthyr Tydfil was 44.

0:09:27 > 0:09:29- Are you coming? Come on.

0:09:31 > 0:09:35- Myra Herbert - lives near Amlwch on Anglesey.

0:09:35 > 0:09:38- Every day, - she takes her son's dog for a walk.

0:09:39 > 0:09:42- He was a very kind son.

0:09:42 > 0:09:46- If he liked you, - he'd do anything for you.

0:09:47 > 0:09:49- If he didn't, - he didn't want to know.

0:09:49 > 0:09:51- That's what Chris was like.

0:09:53 > 0:09:57- Chris Shaw had been interested - in motorbikes since he was young.

0:09:58 > 0:10:03- He lived next door to his mother - and she often saw him on his Ducati.

0:10:04 > 0:10:08- In March 2013, - he went on the bike to Amlwch.

0:10:09 > 0:10:14- I heard that he was coming back - through Cerrig-man...

0:10:15 > 0:10:20- ..and that a man had stepped - from the pavement onto the road.

0:10:21 > 0:10:25- Of course, Chris hit him, - and they were both killed.

0:10:27 > 0:10:29- The inquest heard that the bike...

0:10:30 > 0:10:33- ..had reached speeds - of between 67 and 80mph.

0:10:33 > 0:10:37- The legal limit - on this stretch of road is 40mph.

0:10:38 > 0:10:42- There were cars on the road - and they said he had passed them.

0:10:43 > 0:10:44- He was going too fast.

0:10:45 > 0:10:47- If he'd been going more slowly...

0:10:48 > 0:10:51- ..he could have stopped - or gone around or something.

0:10:55 > 0:10:57- This is his suit. It's very heavy.

0:10:58 > 0:11:01- I can't get rid of the suit, - and these are the boots.

0:11:03 > 0:11:05- Chris Shaw was 37.

0:11:05 > 0:11:08- The man he hit, George Pugh, was 78.

0:11:09 > 0:11:13- According to the coroner, - Chris Shaw was speeding.

0:11:13 > 0:11:16- If he hadn't been, - both men would be alive today.

0:11:16 > 0:11:20- Would he feel guilty - for causing the other man's death?

0:11:20 > 0:11:22- I'm sure he would, yes.

0:11:23 > 0:11:24- Yes.

0:11:25 > 0:11:27- I don't think he thought...

0:11:27 > 0:11:31- ..that something like this - would happen to him...

0:11:31 > 0:11:33- ..because he could ride a motorbike.

0:11:34 > 0:11:35- That's what I tell people.

0:11:35 > 0:11:37- It could happen to anyone.

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0:11:51 > 0:11:53- Good evening, how are you, ladies?

0:11:54 > 0:11:59- Jasmine Wilson is at Devil's Bridge - to speak to Merched Y Wawr.

0:12:00 > 0:12:04- She visits social groups frequently - to speak about her life, her work...

0:12:05 > 0:12:08- ..and to promote the message - of road safety charity Brake.

0:12:08 > 0:12:10- I won't say any more.

0:12:11 > 0:12:13- I'll just welcome Jasmine.

0:12:13 > 0:12:14- Thanks very much.

0:12:17 > 0:12:23- On the 22nd of November 2003, - I lost my son, Aled.

0:12:23 > 0:12:25- Aled was 31 years old.

0:12:25 > 0:12:29- He lived with his partner, - they had two small children...

0:12:29 > 0:12:33- ..a five-year-old daughter - and his son, Adam was 18 months.

0:12:33 > 0:12:35- They lived in Milton Keynes.

0:12:35 > 0:12:39- Aled was well liked - both in the military and back home.

0:12:41 > 0:12:44- Aled Wilson - was a motorbike instructor.

0:12:45 > 0:12:49- One Saturday while travelling on the - V8 Road in Milton Keynes...

0:12:50 > 0:12:52- ..a car pulled out in front of him.

0:12:52 > 0:12:56- Aled was one - of Jasmine's three sons.

0:12:56 > 0:13:01- One of her other sons, Rhydian, - came to the house to break the news.

0:13:01 > 0:13:04- I could see through the glass - in the door who was there.

0:13:04 > 0:13:08- I knew instantly that something big - had happened.

0:13:08 > 0:13:12- He insisted I come in to sit down - before telling me.

0:13:12 > 0:13:19- I remember asking "Aled or Brython?" - and he said "Aled."

0:13:19 > 0:13:21- And I asked "is he still alive?"

0:13:23 > 0:13:25- I knew in my heart...

0:13:25 > 0:13:31- ..that I was going to hear - the worst possible news...

0:13:31 > 0:13:35- ..that you can receive - as a parent...

0:13:35 > 0:13:38- ..and as a mother.

0:13:40 > 0:13:43- The driver of the car was found - to be driving carelessly.

0:13:44 > 0:13:47- He wasn't wearing the spectacles - he required to drive.

0:13:48 > 0:13:51- He was fined and banned from driving - for two years.

0:13:52 > 0:13:57- There's a purpose to bringing - Brake's message across.

0:13:57 > 0:13:59- We want people to be safe - on the roads.

0:13:59 > 0:14:03- We can keep ourselves safe - and speak to everyone...

0:14:03 > 0:14:08- ..about what they can do to make - sure that family members are safe...

0:14:08 > 0:14:12- ..and that none of us are likely - to cause an accident.

0:14:16 > 0:14:21- It's a Saturday and I'm in an - unmarked car with PC Leighton Webb.

0:14:21 > 0:14:23- We're on the road to Llandovery.

0:14:24 > 0:14:28- Recently, we've had - a lot of complaints...

0:14:29 > 0:14:33- ..about speed through the town here.

0:14:36 > 0:14:42- Today, Dyfed Powys Police have three - cars and two bikes on patrol.

0:14:43 > 0:14:45- It's part of Operation Darwen.

0:14:50 > 0:14:55- He's doing 70mph there now. - We'll follow him through.

0:14:58 > 0:15:01- He doesn't want to stop - the motorbike straight away...

0:15:01 > 0:15:05- ..he wants to let him travel further - to assess the way he's driving.

0:15:05 > 0:15:09- You can see he's using his brakes in - the corners which is very dangerous.

0:15:15 > 0:15:17- He's still moving quite quickly.

0:15:17 > 0:15:19- He's still moving quite quickly.- - Yes, he's up to 70 mph.

0:15:20 > 0:15:21- SIREN

0:15:26 > 0:15:28- With a clear road...

0:15:28 > 0:15:32- ..he finds a suitable spot to stop - the motorcyclist for a word.

0:15:33 > 0:15:36- You obviously didn't see me in the - unmarked car, did you?

0:15:36 > 0:15:37- No.

0:15:37 > 0:15:41- Your speeds were above the posted - speed limits, weren't they?

0:15:41 > 0:15:42- Yeah.

0:15:42 > 0:15:46- There'll be a record held now on the - Dyfed Powys Police system...

0:15:46 > 0:15:50- ..it generates an intel log saying - I've discussed your speed with you.

0:15:51 > 0:15:55- If you are stopped again, there'll - be no option of this verbal warning.

0:15:57 > 0:15:59- Is that what Operation Darwen - is about?

0:16:00 > 0:16:04- Not catching and prosecuting - everyone but speaking to people.

0:16:04 > 0:16:09- I would say advice is more important - than fines and punishments.

0:16:09 > 0:16:13- These days, people tend - to take that advice on board.

0:16:14 > 0:16:18- They do tend to adopt it - into their style of riding.

0:16:22 > 0:16:26- The police work with other emergency - services and other partners...

0:16:26 > 0:16:30- ..to raise awareness among - motorcyclists of road dangers.

0:16:30 > 0:16:33- At the Owl's Nest Cafe - near Llandovery...

0:16:34 > 0:16:38- ..Carmarthenshire County Council - organise contact days...

0:16:38 > 0:16:42- ..with bikers to encourage safe - practices amongst them.

0:16:42 > 0:16:47- I wanted to know how motorcyclists - react to events like this one.

0:16:49 > 0:16:52- Does safety worry you - when you're out?

0:16:52 > 0:16:56- The way I think about it is - that you have to ride defensively.

0:16:57 > 0:17:01- You shouldn't be allowed to drive a - car until you've driven a motorbike.

0:17:01 > 0:17:05- That's where a lot of the worry is.

0:17:05 > 0:17:10- They don't look hard enough - for motorbikes.

0:17:12 > 0:17:16- For one 78 year old rider, - some riders are to blame too.

0:17:17 > 0:17:19- Some bikes go past you...

0:17:20 > 0:17:24- ..and it is astonishing - that they can turn or make a corner.

0:17:24 > 0:17:28- They'll be travelling - at incredible speeds.

0:17:29 > 0:17:32- It's deplorable - what some of them do.

0:17:36 > 0:17:39- According to emergency services - workers...

0:17:40 > 0:17:44- ..advanced training can reduce - the chances of collisions.

0:17:44 > 0:17:49- We don't want to preach to - experienced drivers and riders.

0:17:49 > 0:17:52- We just want to pass on the - knowledge we've gained...

0:17:53 > 0:17:55- ..from the collisions we've seen.

0:17:56 > 0:17:58- According to official figures...

0:17:58 > 0:18:03- ..16% fewer people are killed - or injured on Welsh roads...

0:18:03 > 0:18:06- ..than the comparative figure - from 10 years ago.

0:18:06 > 0:18:10- For motorbikes, - today's figure is 6% higher.

0:18:11 > 0:18:15- The Welsh Government say they're - committed to improving road safety.

0:18:16 > 0:18:20- In particular for motorcyclists - who are more likely to be injured.

0:18:21 > 0:18:27- They say they're looking at measures - to lower the number of collisions.

0:18:29 > 0:18:32- They're also funding schemes - to reduce deaths.

0:18:33 > 0:18:35- At Imperial College in London...

0:18:36 > 0:18:39- ..a company has won a grant from - the Welsh Government...

0:18:39 > 0:18:42- ..to make motorbike helmets - more effective.

0:18:42 > 0:18:45- A Welshman from Monmouthshire - is behind the new device.

0:18:46 > 0:18:50- We've been developing energy - absorbing materials...

0:18:50 > 0:18:53- ..that can go in to helmets and - improve their performance...

0:18:53 > 0:18:55- ..and improve survivability.

0:18:56 > 0:18:59- The company has developed material - that changes the defence...

0:18:59 > 0:19:02- ..depending on the shock it - receives.

0:19:02 > 0:19:04- The harder it's hit, - the bigger the reaction.

0:19:05 > 0:19:08- They're hoping to revolutionise - motorbike helmets.

0:19:09 > 0:19:10- This is a standard helmet.

0:19:10 > 0:19:12- You have a hard outer shell...

0:19:12 > 0:19:14- ..energy absorbing foam - and comfort liner.

0:19:15 > 0:19:19- We're adding the armour gel - components behind the liner.

0:19:19 > 0:19:23- You've actually got these energy - absorbing components in here.

0:19:23 > 0:19:27- These absorb energy differently - depending where you hit them.

0:19:29 > 0:19:34- According to the company, the disks - can minimise the effects...

0:19:34 > 0:19:37- ..of a hit on a rider's - brain by between 20%-40%...

0:19:38 > 0:19:40- ..compared to a helmet - without the disks.

0:19:42 > 0:19:46- We've been working on this - specifically for motorcycles.

0:19:46 > 0:19:49- We're working with - leading manufacturers...

0:19:49 > 0:19:51- ..to get those in - to their helmets now.

0:19:51 > 0:19:54- By the end of the year - or early next year...

0:19:54 > 0:19:56- ..we should be seeing those - in the market place.

0:19:57 > 0:20:01- The situation in the UK is similar - to that in Wales.

0:20:01 > 0:20:04- According to recent statistics...

0:20:04 > 0:20:07- ..365 bikers are killed every year - in the UK.

0:20:07 > 0:20:10- That corresponds to one every day.

0:20:11 > 0:20:15- Bikers are most likely to be - in a collision at a junction.

0:20:17 > 0:20:19- Three years ago in Norfolk...

0:20:19 > 0:20:24- ..David Holmes was travelling home - on his bike when he was killed.

0:20:24 > 0:20:29- His mother released these images - of the accident and his death.

0:20:29 > 0:20:33- Her intention was to show - how fragile motorcyclists are.

0:20:47 > 0:20:51- Three years have passed since - Clare Calveley lost her brother.

0:20:52 > 0:20:54- He loved motorbikes and cars.

0:20:54 > 0:20:57- This year, - he would have been 21 years old.

0:20:58 > 0:21:01- The family bought this car - in his memory.

0:21:04 > 0:21:07- He never got it - and he would have loved it.

0:21:08 > 0:21:13- We thought we'd get this for him - so he didn't miss out on anything.

0:21:13 > 0:21:16- We're still buying stuff - for him as if he's still here.

0:21:22 > 0:21:25- He was an incredibly nice lad.

0:21:25 > 0:21:27- He was ready to help everyone.

0:21:27 > 0:21:32- He had this wonderful smile. He - could break hearts with that smile.

0:21:34 > 0:21:39- Every day, every second, - everything I do, I think of him.

0:21:41 > 0:21:45- In Amlwch, Myra Herbert - visits her son's grave weekly.

0:21:45 > 0:21:50- He was a father of five before he - died and six shortly afterwards.

0:21:50 > 0:21:54- His mother has a clear message - for motorcyclists.

0:21:55 > 0:21:58- Don't drive like an idiot - on the road.

0:22:00 > 0:22:03- It'll happen to someone else, - it happens too often.

0:22:03 > 0:22:07- It happens very often on Anglesey. - We know so many people.

0:22:07 > 0:22:11- I'm just saying, be careful - and watch your speed.

0:22:12 > 0:22:16- Aled Wilson's ashes were spread - near Strata Florida Abbey.

0:22:17 > 0:22:21- His mother still campaigns - for biker safety.

0:22:22 > 0:22:26- I don't want someone else to go - through what we went through.

0:22:27 > 0:22:30- Please, please - make sure you slow down...

0:22:30 > 0:22:33- ..and you look twice - to check for a motorbike.

0:22:37 > 0:22:41- Then we'll be able - to lower the numbers...

0:22:41 > 0:22:45- ..who are killed and injured - on the roads.

0:22:47 > 0:22:53- As the UK prepares to leave the EU, - we meet people who voted to leave.

0:22:54 > 0:22:56- We ask them what they really wanted.

0:22:57 > 0:23:02- All of my friends, people I work - with, they all voted to leave.

0:23:02 > 0:23:05- We'd prefer to have control - of ourselves if we can...

0:23:05 > 0:23:09- ..and do it from London - which is closer than Brussels.

0:23:09 > 0:23:12- We ask - what Brexit will mean for Wales.

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