0:00:00 > 0:00:03Welcome back. Will you be voting tomorrow?
0:00:03 > 0:00:05If so, who for?
0:00:05 > 0:00:09We'll be focusing on the European elections tonight on Y Sgwrs.
0:00:18 > 0:00:20Good evening.
0:00:20 > 0:00:22Joining me tonight are Llyr Roberts,
0:00:22 > 0:00:25a senior business lecturer at Coleg Cymraeg Cenedlaethol,
0:00:25 > 0:00:29the journalist and business owner Iola Wyn,
0:00:29 > 0:00:33and over in Dublin, a journalist with RTE, Bethan Kilfoil.
0:00:33 > 0:00:38And as usual, Vaughan Roderick is here with his analysis.
0:00:38 > 0:00:41Welcome to the programme.
0:00:41 > 0:00:44There's only one subject tonight - Europe.
0:00:44 > 0:00:48The polling booths will open at 7am tomorrow and, over the weekend,
0:00:48 > 0:00:52people in 28 countries will choose their parliamentary members for
0:00:52 > 0:00:54Brussels and Strasburg.
0:00:54 > 0:00:58The successful candidates will decide how the Union spends its money,
0:00:58 > 0:01:02they will legislate on issues like the environment,
0:01:02 > 0:01:04workplace law and trade.
0:01:04 > 0:01:09And four of them will represent Wales. Here's Janet Ebenezer.
0:01:09 > 0:01:11# La mer
0:01:13 > 0:01:15# Qu-on voit danser
0:01:15 > 0:01:19# Le long des golfes clairs... #
0:01:21 > 0:01:27Tomorrow, the people of the UK will vote to decide who
0:01:27 > 0:01:30will represent us in the European parliament.
0:01:30 > 0:01:32There are four seats in Wales
0:01:32 > 0:01:36so let's hear from the five main parties.
0:01:36 > 0:01:41They have the time it takes us to cook a crepe
0:01:41 > 0:01:45to explain why people should vote for their party.
0:01:45 > 0:01:49Une crepe au chocolat, s'il vous plait.
0:01:49 > 0:01:54Plaid Cymru says it's the only party fighting for Wales' needs in Europe
0:01:54 > 0:01:58and wants to see skilled migrants like doctors or lecturers
0:01:58 > 0:02:00being encouraged to move to Wales.
0:02:00 > 0:02:04Plaid Cymru is the only party to put Wales first.
0:02:04 > 0:02:09What that means in Europe is a strong voice for the people of Wales
0:02:09 > 0:02:15but also looking after Wales' needs and representing Wales' ambition.
0:02:15 > 0:02:21We're not answerable to anyone in London, only the people of Wales.
0:02:21 > 0:02:26We want to see Wales being transformed,
0:02:26 > 0:02:28strengthening our economy.
0:02:28 > 0:02:32The Tories say they're the only party to have promised to hold
0:02:32 > 0:02:35a referendum on the European Union.
0:02:35 > 0:02:41If you want reform in Europe, if you want to discuss our relationship
0:02:41 > 0:02:45with Europe, and if you want to have your say on Europe,
0:02:45 > 0:02:49you have to have a referendum, and only the Welsh Conservatives
0:02:49 > 0:02:54can achieve all three of those things on May 22nd.
0:02:54 > 0:02:58A vote for the Tories will bring about a significant change
0:02:58 > 0:03:00to our relationship with Europe.
0:03:00 > 0:03:05Only the Tories can achieve that for the people of Wales.
0:03:05 > 0:03:09The Liberal Democrats emphasise the benefits to Wales
0:03:09 > 0:03:15of being part of the European Union, by saying one in ten jobs in Wales
0:03:15 > 0:03:18rely on trade EU trade.
0:03:18 > 0:03:23It's important in terms of jobs. One in ten jobs in Wales
0:03:23 > 0:03:26now relies on Europe.
0:03:26 > 0:03:30As well as that, the money that comes from structural funds
0:03:30 > 0:03:32and in agriculture.
0:03:32 > 0:03:37It also gives us an opportunity to discuss with our European partners
0:03:37 > 0:03:40in terms of improving the environment
0:03:40 > 0:03:45and protecting the future of our children in Europe.
0:03:45 > 0:03:50UKIP hopes to win a seat by campaigning for a referendum
0:03:50 > 0:03:52to leave the European Union.
0:03:53 > 0:03:57I want everyone to think about pulling out of Europe
0:03:57 > 0:03:59so that we can have our country back.
0:03:59 > 0:04:04We're losing out. For every pound we get for farmers in grants,
0:04:04 > 0:04:07we're spending over two pounds.
0:04:07 > 0:04:10We've lost close to £9 billion a year.
0:04:10 > 0:04:16It's important that we get our villages back.
0:04:16 > 0:04:20I think it's important that we get our country back.
0:04:20 > 0:04:25According to Labour, they're the only party to offer solid policies
0:04:25 > 0:04:28to deal with the cost of living crisis.
0:04:28 > 0:04:32Welsh Labour has secured a further £500 million of investment
0:04:32 > 0:04:35over the next five years.
0:04:35 > 0:04:39We're also fighting to protect people's rights in the workplace
0:04:39 > 0:04:44and we must remember that 190,000 jobs here in Wales rely on Europe.
0:04:44 > 0:04:48It's vital that we stay within the European Union.
0:04:48 > 0:04:52We also have an opportunity to send a message to David Cameron
0:04:52 > 0:04:54to say we're not happy with his policies.
0:04:54 > 0:04:57We want two seats for Labour in Europe.
0:05:01 > 0:05:05The five parties have completed the challenge
0:05:05 > 0:05:10but we'll have to wait until Sunday to find out who has won seats
0:05:10 > 0:05:12in the European parliament.
0:05:12 > 0:05:17In the meantime, I'm going to enjoy this crepe au chocolat.
0:05:17 > 0:05:21De nouveau a vous dans le studio, Bethan.
0:05:22 > 0:05:25# Pour la vie. #
0:05:26 > 0:05:28Merci bien.
0:05:28 > 0:05:30Show off! Show off!
0:05:30 > 0:05:32Janet Ebenezer, there.
0:05:32 > 0:05:35There are 11 parties standing in Wales
0:05:35 > 0:05:38and a list of all the candidates is on the BBC website
0:05:38 > 0:05:40and the details are on the screen.
0:05:40 > 0:05:45Vaughan, this campaign has garnered a lot of attention.
0:05:45 > 0:05:47Which party has had the best campaign?
0:05:47 > 0:05:52Well, it's hard to tell who has had the best campaign
0:05:52 > 0:05:55because there isn't a visible campaign.
0:05:55 > 0:06:00People have received leaflets, phone calls, seen stalls, maybe,
0:06:00 > 0:06:04but it's hard to campaign in every part
0:06:04 > 0:06:07of large constituencies like Wales.
0:06:07 > 0:06:09Every party, bar Labour,
0:06:09 > 0:06:13there are parts of Wales where they have no presence.
0:06:13 > 0:06:19The big story of the campaign in the media is UKIP.
0:06:19 > 0:06:24Whether that has benefited UKIP or damaged UKIP, we'll see.
0:06:24 > 0:06:28The publicity hasn't all been favourable,
0:06:28 > 0:06:32but in one sense the party has achieved something
0:06:32 > 0:06:35which hasn't happened in Britain before -
0:06:35 > 0:06:40Europe was the main talking point during the campaign.
0:06:40 > 0:06:42That is unusual.
0:06:42 > 0:06:46In the past, all kinds of things - send a message to the government
0:06:46 > 0:06:48or another issue arises.
0:06:48 > 0:06:52This time, Europe has been central to the debate.
0:06:52 > 0:06:57That's a development which might increase the number of people who
0:06:57 > 0:07:01turn out to vote, because the numbers that usually turn out
0:07:01 > 0:07:04in these elections are very low.
0:07:04 > 0:07:08Have you've been bombarded with leaflets in the west, Iola Wyn?
0:07:08 > 0:07:14I don't know about very low, but it's been a very boring campaign.
0:07:14 > 0:07:17I've travelled... I was in Llanarth yesterday, for example.
0:07:17 > 0:07:19I was in Talyllychau today.
0:07:19 > 0:07:22I haven't seen anything on the side of the roads.
0:07:22 > 0:07:27I saw one field near Llandeilo with the Welsh Conservatives.
0:07:27 > 0:07:29It's difficult in the west.
0:07:29 > 0:07:34I was in Llanarth yesterday and there's a noticeboard in the town
0:07:34 > 0:07:36and I decided to take a look
0:07:36 > 0:07:40and the names and addresses of the candidates
0:07:40 > 0:07:42in these elections were there.
0:07:42 > 0:07:45I was looking for the names of their homes
0:07:45 > 0:07:50and noticed how few have homes in the west or come from the west.
0:07:50 > 0:07:53There was one or two in Port Talbot or Swansea.
0:07:53 > 0:07:57Because people don't recognise them, they're not interested.
0:07:57 > 0:08:00In terms of the themes,
0:08:00 > 0:08:03has immigration taken in parts of west Wales?
0:08:03 > 0:08:06Not the same immigration.
0:08:06 > 0:08:09In terms of the Welsh-speaking community,
0:08:09 > 0:08:14there's concern about immigration from over Offa's Dyke,
0:08:14 > 0:08:17more so than people coming from other European countries.
0:08:17 > 0:08:21The feeling is that Welsh-speaking communities
0:08:21 > 0:08:23change overnight.
0:08:23 > 0:08:26I've been living there for seven or eight years
0:08:26 > 0:08:29and I've seen a big change - not immigrants from Europe
0:08:29 > 0:08:33but English people coming in, and that's a bigger concern.
0:08:33 > 0:08:37But because it's a British picture or campaign...
0:08:37 > 0:08:40or an English picture in reality,
0:08:40 > 0:08:44that's not raised - I've never heard UKIP talking about that
0:08:44 > 0:08:47It's always the English language and protecting the English language.
0:08:47 > 0:08:51In terms of the business world, Llyr,
0:08:51 > 0:08:54in terms of trade with Europe,
0:08:54 > 0:08:57is that an important theme for the electorate?
0:08:57 > 0:09:01Not the electorate, no. I think they switch off straight away
0:09:01 > 0:09:04with any business story, unfortunately.
0:09:04 > 0:09:07The public aren't interested.
0:09:07 > 0:09:12When you cut it down, if you say jobs instead of business,
0:09:12 > 0:09:15there's an interest in jobs - economic subjects.
0:09:15 > 0:09:18But once you use the word "business"...
0:09:18 > 0:09:22And the money from Europe - that has been important in Wales.
0:09:22 > 0:09:25Certainly in the media...
0:09:25 > 0:09:29and I'm sure it has been in west Wales and mid Wales
0:09:29 > 0:09:33and the Valleys - areas which receive European funding.
0:09:33 > 0:09:38But in the south-east, I haven't seen much talk about it.
0:09:38 > 0:09:43The campaigning that I've come across has been very UK-based.
0:09:43 > 0:09:48Let's go to a country with a different kind of campaign.
0:09:48 > 0:09:53What's the atmosphere and the enthusiasm like in Ireland, Bethan?
0:09:53 > 0:09:55I don't know about enthusiasm,
0:09:55 > 0:09:58but it's been a lively and colourful campaign.
0:09:58 > 0:10:01There are plenty of posters around the country.
0:10:01 > 0:10:06We have two by-elections and local county council elections as well.
0:10:06 > 0:10:10The voting takes place on Friday here, not tomorrow.
0:10:10 > 0:10:14I don't think there's a lamppost in the country
0:10:14 > 0:10:18that has not got at least three posters on it.
0:10:18 > 0:10:22In terms of themes, it is completely different here.
0:10:22 > 0:10:25Europe itself hasn't been a talking point.
0:10:25 > 0:10:31Immigration isn't an issue or a factor here in Ireland.
0:10:31 > 0:10:37Emigration is the main problem here because of the economic recession.
0:10:37 > 0:10:39It has only...
0:10:39 > 0:10:43If Europe has come up as a talking point at all,
0:10:43 > 0:10:46it is because of the economy.
0:10:46 > 0:10:51Some people blame the banks in Europe and the IMF
0:10:51 > 0:10:57and the European Bank and Germany for the strict financial measures
0:10:57 > 0:10:59that have been set in Ireland.
0:10:59 > 0:11:02But for every person who complains about that,
0:11:02 > 0:11:05and some of the parties take advantage of that,
0:11:05 > 0:11:09but for every person who complains, another will say that without Europe
0:11:09 > 0:11:12and Germany and the IMF,
0:11:12 > 0:11:16we would still be in an economic shambles.
0:11:16 > 0:11:20They are thankful to Europe for starting to bring Ireland
0:11:20 > 0:11:23out of the recession.
0:11:23 > 0:11:29To what degree could this election transform things for Sinn Fein
0:11:29 > 0:11:32because I've seen that Sinn Fein is expected to win a seat
0:11:32 > 0:11:38in every electorate, despite the trouble with Gerry Adams.
0:11:38 > 0:11:42That is one of the interesting things.
0:11:42 > 0:11:45It will be interesting to see how Sinn Fein do.
0:11:45 > 0:11:51We have been cut from four to three constituencies.
0:11:51 > 0:11:56Sinn Fein are bound to win in Dublin,
0:11:56 > 0:11:59will almost certainly win in the south,
0:11:59 > 0:12:01and maybe in the central region.
0:12:01 > 0:12:05That would be a big change.
0:12:05 > 0:12:08The independent parties are also going to do well.
0:12:08 > 0:12:13How much of a protest against the Government this will be
0:12:13 > 0:12:19because of the economy and government policies,
0:12:19 > 0:12:25or how much of a positive vote for Sinn Fein,
0:12:25 > 0:12:31because Sinn Fein oppose the government on almost everything,
0:12:31 > 0:12:33especially the economy.
0:12:33 > 0:12:38The arrest of Gerry Adams has been an interesting factor.
0:12:38 > 0:12:41It hasn't had much of an effect
0:12:41 > 0:12:45on the way people say they will vote.
0:12:45 > 0:12:50The opinion polls show that support for Sinn Fein has gone up
0:12:50 > 0:12:55since the arrest of Gerry Adams, although almost half of the people
0:12:55 > 0:13:00in one opinion poll said they don't believe what he was saying.
0:13:00 > 0:13:03They think Gerry Adams is lying
0:13:03 > 0:13:06but they will still vote for Sinn Fein.
0:13:06 > 0:13:11In a way, what has happened with the arrest
0:13:11 > 0:13:14possibly won't affect the vote.
0:13:14 > 0:13:17Certainly not on Sinn Fein's party faithful.
0:13:17 > 0:13:21Perhaps people who had thought about voting for Sinn Fein
0:13:21 > 0:13:26but Sinn Fein have been careful to choose new, fresh faces,
0:13:26 > 0:13:29young people who aren't from the same background
0:13:29 > 0:13:31as the old Sinn Fein.
0:13:31 > 0:13:34And that has ignited the campaign there.
0:13:34 > 0:13:38Why is the European election not grabbing people's attention here?
0:13:38 > 0:13:41It divides the parties but doesn't interest the people.
0:13:41 > 0:13:43Why not?
0:13:43 > 0:13:47I think it's because they don't understand.
0:13:47 > 0:13:50There are so many different levels.
0:13:50 > 0:13:53We talk of Europe and we talk about Westminster,
0:13:53 > 0:13:55which has other powers,
0:13:55 > 0:13:58and then we come down to the Assembly.
0:13:58 > 0:14:02People don't know what they are voting for.
0:14:02 > 0:14:05Do people know what they do in Europe?
0:14:05 > 0:14:07No, they don't.
0:14:07 > 0:14:13We ask people and I doubt people would be able to name the MEPs,
0:14:13 > 0:14:16not to mention say what they do.
0:14:16 > 0:14:19The point I would make, unlike other elections
0:14:19 > 0:14:24like parliamentary, Assembly and local elections,
0:14:24 > 0:14:27the percentage who vote in the European election
0:14:27 > 0:14:29has been increasing.
0:14:29 > 0:14:33The lowest vote in the European elections
0:14:33 > 0:14:38was the vote in 1999 when it was down to 24% in Wales.
0:14:38 > 0:14:41It's now above 30%.
0:14:41 > 0:14:44Which is still very low.
0:14:44 > 0:14:47It is, but it doesn't follow the same pattern as other elections
0:14:47 > 0:14:51where there's less interest today then 15 or 20 years ago.
0:14:51 > 0:14:56I think Iola was right when she said people's don't know the candidates.
0:14:56 > 0:15:01With local elections, they know their local councillors.
0:15:01 > 0:15:03The same with the Assembly elections.
0:15:03 > 0:15:06Is the patch too big - a whole country?
0:15:06 > 0:15:10They're voting for parties rather than individuals.
0:15:10 > 0:15:16This time, as well, perhaps, three of the individuals
0:15:16 > 0:15:18are quite new faces.
0:15:18 > 0:15:21They aren't familiar faces to the electorate.
0:15:21 > 0:15:26I've spoken to them and they try to go everywhere in the constituency
0:15:26 > 0:15:28- but it's huge.- Massive.
0:15:28 > 0:15:32And how do you get that relationship
0:15:32 > 0:15:36when everyone reads the newspapers from England?
0:15:36 > 0:15:40I'd expect to have pamphlets through my letterbox
0:15:40 > 0:15:44but they've only come from two parties in Westmi... St Clear's!
0:15:44 > 0:15:47I'm giving myself too much credit!
0:15:47 > 0:15:50The Palace of St Clear's!
0:15:50 > 0:15:53But two parties have delivered pamphlets
0:15:53 > 0:15:58which shows that people don't feel very strongly about this.
0:15:58 > 0:16:01- They don't have fire in their bellies.- Will you be voting?
0:16:01 > 0:16:05I will be voting because I feel I am duty bound to do so.
0:16:05 > 0:16:08On European issues or domestic issues?
0:16:08 > 0:16:12I'll be voting because I think we have a duty to.
0:16:12 > 0:16:15If I don't, I don't have the right to complain.
0:16:15 > 0:16:19But will Europe decide?
0:16:19 > 0:16:24My views on Europe will be leading my judgment.
0:16:24 > 0:16:27Some will vote.
0:16:27 > 0:16:30I don't want to sound like the old lady of Kidwelly
0:16:30 > 0:16:33but I think the numbers will be low because of the weather.
0:16:33 > 0:16:37The weather could effect different parties,
0:16:37 > 0:16:40depending on the age of voters and so on.
0:16:40 > 0:16:45There was one party which showed me a weather forecast
0:16:45 > 0:16:50and said it will be wet everywhere apart from the north-west.
0:16:50 > 0:16:54They were delighted with that. You can guess who.
0:16:56 > 0:16:58Let's move on.
0:16:58 > 0:17:02Staying with Europe, tomorrow won't be a referendum
0:17:02 > 0:17:06but there has been plenty of talk of one throughout the campaign.
0:17:06 > 0:17:10The last time Britain voted on its relationship with Europe
0:17:10 > 0:17:12was back in 1975.
0:17:12 > 0:17:16Vaughan remembers it well.
0:17:23 > 0:17:28June 5th 1975, and the question for the voters was,
0:17:28 > 0:17:33should the UK stay in the Common Market?
0:17:33 > 0:17:36It was one of the 64% who voted that day -
0:17:36 > 0:17:38the first time I voted.
0:17:38 > 0:17:42There were lively campaigns on both sides.
0:17:42 > 0:17:45There's absolutely no doubt about this.
0:17:45 > 0:17:47We're getting the message across.
0:17:47 > 0:17:51People realise that there's no benefits come froing the EEC.
0:17:51 > 0:17:53They realise the dangers of staying in.
0:17:53 > 0:17:56They realise there's a positive alternative for Britain.
0:17:59 > 0:18:03When we started the campaign and this is no way due to us,
0:18:03 > 0:18:06it's due to the awareness of the Welsh people,
0:18:06 > 0:18:09we were way behind in terms of opinion.
0:18:09 > 0:18:11Now we are slightly ahead.
0:18:11 > 0:18:14But there was no doubt about the result.
0:18:14 > 0:18:17Contrary to what the polls suggested months earlier,
0:18:17 > 0:18:22more than 67% voted in favour of staying in the European Community
0:18:22 > 0:18:25and Prime Minister Harold Wilson was delighted.
0:18:25 > 0:18:28The British people, in clear and unmistakable terms,
0:18:28 > 0:18:31have made their historic decision,
0:18:31 > 0:18:35that Britain shall remain a member of the European Community.
0:18:35 > 0:18:39Every county in Wales voted in favour.
0:18:39 > 0:18:43Powys was the county with the highest Yes vote - 74%.
0:18:43 > 0:18:49Mid Glamorgan had the lowest percentage, with 56% voting Yes.
0:18:49 > 0:18:52Will there be an opportunity for voters to have their say again?
0:18:52 > 0:18:55That's another question.
0:18:55 > 0:18:57I was looking at the flairs there!
0:18:57 > 0:18:59There's nothing better than archive footage.
0:18:59 > 0:19:03The day of the European referendum was my 18th birthday.
0:19:03 > 0:19:05I'm not that old!
0:19:05 > 0:19:09I celebrated my birthday with my first vote.
0:19:09 > 0:19:15At that time, the parties were almost completely different on Europe.
0:19:15 > 0:19:19The Conservatives were in favour of being in Europe.
0:19:19 > 0:19:22There were some exceptions, like Enoch Powell.
0:19:22 > 0:19:26The Liberals were where you'd expect - in favour of staying in.
0:19:26 > 0:19:28Labour was divided.
0:19:28 > 0:19:33Wilson brought up the issue. It was a farce, to be honest.
0:19:33 > 0:19:35Not much had changed.
0:19:35 > 0:19:38But it was enough to change the opinion polls.
0:19:38 > 0:19:40Until two months before the referendum,
0:19:40 > 0:19:44they suggested there would be a No vote.
0:19:44 > 0:19:47But as can happen in a referendum, fear kicked in,
0:19:47 > 0:19:50"What happens if...?"
0:19:50 > 0:19:52Wilson won comfortably in the end.
0:19:52 > 0:19:56The people against at the time were people like Tony Benn
0:19:56 > 0:20:00and the left of the Labour Party, the unions, Barbara Castle,
0:20:00 > 0:20:03and the far-right - that hasn't changed.
0:20:03 > 0:20:07The National Front was in favour of pulling out of Europe.
0:20:07 > 0:20:12Europe, Bethan, has always divided political parties,
0:20:12 > 0:20:14especially the Conservatives.
0:20:14 > 0:20:18During your time as a European correspondent for BBC Wales,
0:20:18 > 0:20:20they were always divided.
0:20:20 > 0:20:25Has Cameron managed to bring the party together,
0:20:25 > 0:20:28compared to Hague, on this?
0:20:29 > 0:20:33It's difficult to say.
0:20:33 > 0:20:37Europe still divides parties.
0:20:37 > 0:20:41It divides parties and still divides Conservative members.
0:20:41 > 0:20:45I think that's as true today as it was then
0:20:45 > 0:20:49or they wouldn't have to offer a referendum.
0:20:49 > 0:20:53It's still a problem for David Cameron. It's a deep problem.
0:20:53 > 0:20:57When it comes to a referendum, we know that there will be one
0:20:57 > 0:21:00if David Cameron is in power by 2017.
0:21:00 > 0:21:05Whatever is renegotiated, there will be one.
0:21:05 > 0:21:08- That would grab people's attention, Iola.- Would it?
0:21:09 > 0:21:12I'm not so sure.
0:21:12 > 0:21:16I feel that if there isn't a clear campaign
0:21:16 > 0:21:20and people know exactly what they are voting for
0:21:20 > 0:21:24and what the consequences of that might be,
0:21:24 > 0:21:27then it's not fair.
0:21:27 > 0:21:30People have to understand exactly what they're voting for.
0:21:30 > 0:21:33- It's a simple question.- Is it?
0:21:33 > 0:21:39Yes, but people who are against it will think it's a simple question.
0:21:39 > 0:21:44What's more difficult is how you inspire people
0:21:44 > 0:21:48who want to who want to stay in or who are uncertain.
0:21:48 > 0:21:51Trying to get them out to vote.
0:21:51 > 0:21:55Especially after the problems of the last four years
0:21:55 > 0:21:58with the euro and so on, people who were in favour of staying in
0:21:58 > 0:22:01may be more likely to vote to leave.
0:22:01 > 0:22:03If you look at the forecasts,
0:22:03 > 0:22:07during the time the UKIP vote has been increasing,
0:22:07 > 0:22:10the support for staying in the Common Market, the EU,
0:22:10 > 0:22:13has also been increasing.
0:22:13 > 0:22:16It's probably because the economy has been improving.
0:22:16 > 0:22:18If the economy is healthy,
0:22:18 > 0:22:22we don't want anything that could change that.
0:22:22 > 0:22:28Bethan, it has been said recently that Britain needs to be treated
0:22:28 > 0:22:30a little differently.
0:22:30 > 0:22:33How is Britain viewed from Ireland?
0:22:33 > 0:22:37Are we seen as making a fuss again?
0:22:37 > 0:22:39What's the opinion?
0:22:39 > 0:22:43It would be very difficult for Ireland if Britain pulled out.
0:22:43 > 0:22:46Ireland has most of its trade with Britain.
0:22:46 > 0:22:50It will create so many problems.
0:22:51 > 0:22:56This kind of thing does not come up in Ireland.
0:22:56 > 0:23:00Ireland has done well out of Europe over the years.
0:23:00 > 0:23:03It's never talked about.
0:23:03 > 0:23:08Sinn Fein is the only party that has been against Europe in the past.
0:23:08 > 0:23:12But they have changed their tune a little bit now.
0:23:12 > 0:23:18Ireland will be hoping that Britain stays in.
0:23:18 > 0:23:22Llyr, will the other parties offer a referendum?
0:23:22 > 0:23:25I don't think Labour will. They won't.
0:23:25 > 0:23:28Plaid Cymru won't either.
0:23:28 > 0:23:31- I don't think the other parties will offer one.- Vaughan?
0:23:31 > 0:23:35Well, if Labour was going to offer a referendum,
0:23:35 > 0:23:38they would have done so by now.
0:23:38 > 0:23:42Any damage the Labour Party would suffer from not having
0:23:42 > 0:23:45a referendum has already happened.
0:23:45 > 0:23:51It would look like a panic reaction if they did offer a referendum now.
0:23:51 > 0:23:56But there is agreement between the parties
0:23:56 > 0:23:59that a referendum will have to be held
0:23:59 > 0:24:03if there is a change in the European Constitution.
0:24:03 > 0:24:06How is David Cameron hoping to renegotiate it?
0:24:06 > 0:24:11Is it possible that changes can be made?
0:24:12 > 0:24:17I think that will be easier than some of the other things
0:24:17 > 0:24:20the Conservatives would like to see.
0:24:20 > 0:24:24You can opt out of something that doesn't mean much
0:24:24 > 0:24:26and is a declaration of principle.
0:24:26 > 0:24:30It is much more difficult to make changes that will affect
0:24:30 > 0:24:32all the countries financially.
0:24:32 > 0:24:36Thank you very much. That is all for tonight.
0:24:36 > 0:24:41Thank you to our guests and to you for your company.
0:24:41 > 0:24:44We won't have a programme during half-term
0:24:44 > 0:24:47but we will be back in a fortnight.
0:24:47 > 0:24:50Thanks for watching. Good night.