:29:59. > :30:04.Organisations start to engage with this government, what they do is
:30:05. > :30:11.they engage with other... The government tries to sideline these
:30:12. > :30:16.organisations who tried to engage and give alternatives. The
:30:17. > :30:24.government looks at the echo chamber and only agrees with people they
:30:25. > :30:28.actually want to agree with. You have the same thing with the junior
:30:29. > :30:34.doctors. You have a government that does not want to listen, that wants
:30:35. > :30:49.to bulldoze its way and push its own issues. All I say is look at the
:30:50. > :30:54.events of... S the reason this person has gone through is because
:30:55. > :31:00.you've got so many referrals of issues that don't matter. You've got
:31:01. > :31:07.kids that, because they said the word cucumber wrong, have been
:31:08. > :31:12.referred. You've got lots of people being referred and there is so much
:31:13. > :31:23.noise and it causes more work for people. You say nonsense but he
:31:24. > :31:29.feels like this. In terms of the line on homophobia, what is it? When
:31:30. > :31:37.it came to the main manifesto they said they support the rights of all
:31:38. > :31:43.people. What did it say about homophobia? What do you mean? The
:31:44. > :31:49.discrimination act? Can I bring the Liberal Democrats into this? There
:31:50. > :31:54.is one thing I forgot to say, prevent only tackles one aspect of
:31:55. > :31:58.places where people are radicalised and I would say it really misses the
:31:59. > :32:07.point because the major radicalisation of young Muslims who
:32:08. > :32:11.are susceptible to it takes place online, on social media, out of
:32:12. > :32:20.sight. That aspect really needs to be tackled because the tools the
:32:21. > :32:28.extremists use are very similar to the psychological tools of
:32:29. > :32:36.paedophile grooming. We completely missed the point if we don't address
:32:37. > :32:40.that which happens online. The government has a role to play and
:32:41. > :32:43.Theresa May as Home Secretary did nothing to stop these hate preachers
:32:44. > :32:55.who contributed to the fuelling of hate. It took them ten years to
:32:56. > :33:04.extradite one of the hate preachers... It shows the lack of
:33:05. > :33:09.investment into the Muslim population. They have cut the
:33:10. > :33:12.number, they don't listen to the community, then when something
:33:13. > :33:25.happens they run around like headless chickens wondering what has
:33:26. > :33:28.happened. At the back... I will give you the alternative. Everybody needs
:33:29. > :33:33.to go back to school, journalists, with respect, I think you need to
:33:34. > :33:40.understand to tackle radicalisation you've also got to tackle
:33:41. > :33:44.marginalisation of the community. You also need someone from the
:33:45. > :33:49.community that will come out with a narrative that Islam and the
:33:50. > :34:00.fundamentalists don't condone terrorism. It is time we had an
:34:01. > :34:07.intermediary between someone and our community, I think we need a chief
:34:08. > :34:14.imam. Do you think there is a lack of strong Muslim leadership?
:34:15. > :34:20.Definitely. Academics have also respected that. I think it is time
:34:21. > :34:23.we had a narrative that not only represents our interest with
:34:24. > :34:28.government ministers but also with our own community. Li Yan, you were
:34:29. > :34:35.talking about working in communities. Could that be a
:34:36. > :34:38.solution to stronger leadership? That is one solution. The main thing
:34:39. > :34:45.is we've got to talk about this. What are the issues that are making
:34:46. > :34:50.people commit these acts? I think foreign policy plays a part in it,
:34:51. > :34:54.even if it acts as a propaganda tool. The main thing is discussion
:34:55. > :35:00.and debate and trying to challenge some of those ideas and ideologies
:35:01. > :35:16.and belief systems that make people carry out these acts. I think we
:35:17. > :35:19.could talk forever. As far as the Internet is concerned, or for a
:35:20. > :35:22.quarter of a million unlawful terrorist related material has been
:35:23. > :35:30.taken off-line as a direct result of this government's policies. Heat
:35:31. > :35:40.preachers have been denied entry as a consequence of the policies. Abu
:35:41. > :35:48.Hamza stayed here for ten years because of European laws and the
:35:49. > :35:56.right to appeal. There were five warnings about Abedi ignored. There
:35:57. > :35:59.is always room for improvement but what is your problem with 150
:36:00. > :36:03.British people going to Syria to learn to fight, and coming back to
:36:04. > :36:08.this country and doing barbaric acts? You're speaking against the
:36:09. > :36:14.programme that actually stops people... I am not speaking against
:36:15. > :36:24.that programme, what I am speaking against... Let us play nice... I
:36:25. > :36:34.want to pick up... You had ample warning. I want to pick up fleece
:36:35. > :36:41.cuts. We've not got a lot of time. -- police cuts. This was something
:36:42. > :36:45.the Conservative Government were accused of following the aftermath
:36:46. > :36:53.of the Manchester bombings, you cut the number of police. If there were
:36:54. > :37:01.more police on the streets this would not have happened, that was
:37:02. > :37:12.said. As far as general policing is concerned, crime is down by a third.
:37:13. > :37:22.What that tells you is this is not just numbers and bodies on the
:37:23. > :37:33.streets. I've been to these centres. We've got people watching 20, 30
:37:34. > :37:42.video screens. We can direct people to those areas of difficulty. We
:37:43. > :37:49.need to look at the way policing is done. As far as counterterrorism
:37:50. > :37:56.activity is concerned, as I said at the outset, this government has
:37:57. > :38:06.protected the counterterrorism fund. It is also said there should be an
:38:07. > :38:09.additional 1900 officers. I suspect everyone will have a go at the
:38:10. > :38:16.government. In all fairness you will allow me to put the government's
:38:17. > :38:19.argument forward. Can you make it brief? Given there are people who
:38:20. > :38:26.are going to have a go at my record. You're wasting time now. An
:38:27. > :38:28.additional ?140 million has been spent in terms of training officers
:38:29. > :38:39.for firearms and dealing with terrorism activities. You read the
:38:40. > :38:44.point of police cuts, Leanne Wood. The police themselves have been
:38:45. > :38:50.complaining about it. There is a point about community connectivity.
:38:51. > :38:58.They've got their ear to the ground. It is the same point that I made.
:38:59. > :39:04.People have to be trained, given the time and space and when cuts are
:39:05. > :39:08.happening and people need to work extra workloads it is difficult to
:39:09. > :39:10.do that. There is a question of investment in public services and
:39:11. > :39:17.I'm afraid the Tories are not prepared to accept that. They will
:39:18. > :39:26.return more if they have a bigger mandate. That is the danger. I want
:39:27. > :39:34.to get our next question from Kieran. I don't know where you have
:39:35. > :39:44.been living or sleeping with crime going down, I can assure you and I
:39:45. > :39:50.can assure you it has not. It is an independent analysis of these
:39:51. > :39:59.figures. You are slipping somewhere because this is real, this is what
:40:00. > :40:04.is going on in the streets. I have the largest electorate in the
:40:05. > :40:07.country. The people I represent, it is one of the largest electorate in
:40:08. > :40:18.mainland Britain and I have my ear to the ground. I talked to the
:40:19. > :40:23.police on a regular basis. We will agree to disagree. You can come
:40:24. > :40:29.round, the invitation is open. You can come round to my place too. With
:40:30. > :40:39.hate crime being on the increase, what are the government doing to
:40:40. > :41:00.tackle that issue? Ukip. What would you do? He crime is on the rise.
:41:01. > :41:06.Ukip are fuelling it. Paul Nuttall did come out and said he was right
:41:07. > :41:13.about the cancer of radical Islam. His main point is to ban the burqa.
:41:14. > :41:17.How will that help? Everybody has their own views. The way to stop
:41:18. > :41:28.radicalisation to have police force is working with the community to
:41:29. > :41:34.overcome hate crime. The burqa ban, would you back it? I believe in
:41:35. > :41:42.today's modern society any form of covering your face is not required.
:41:43. > :41:47.I don't see the need for it. You think it is OK for a man to tell a
:41:48. > :41:53.woman what to wear. It has got to be a level playing field for everyone.
:41:54. > :42:00.I would not want it for just one community. I don't mean to be rude,
:42:01. > :42:10.I don't have a political vacuum, they say the right things... You are
:42:11. > :42:17.an undecided voter. I don't think it will happen. Can I bring the make
:42:18. > :42:22.bones of this lady in the front. I disagree. It is kind of like, do you
:42:23. > :42:27.really have a right to tell people what to wear? Do you really have a
:42:28. > :42:33.right to tell women what to wear? I understand it's an issue of security
:42:34. > :42:38.but we live in a democracy, we try to live in a democracy, politicians
:42:39. > :42:47.are constantly coming to the young people, where the hell are you for
:42:48. > :42:53.the rest of the year? You come to us at election time. People like us are
:42:54. > :42:58.undecided voters. You say you're throwing millions of pounds in
:42:59. > :43:04.mental health services. Why are we not seeing that money in practice?
:43:05. > :43:10.Where is it? We will get to the issue of health. On the point about
:43:11. > :43:16.the burqa, and the point about it fuelling hate, do you agree?
:43:17. > :43:18.Completely. I've known young woman walking down the road with
:43:19. > :43:27.headscarves, they've had them ripped off them. That is assault. It is,
:43:28. > :43:30.and people get away with it. These young women are scared to leave
:43:31. > :43:36.their houses, to do normal things and it is unacceptable the way
:43:37. > :43:40.people get away with it. I've been walking down the road, people have
:43:41. > :43:47.said, have you got a bomb in your bag, I'm having to justify myself to
:43:48. > :43:52.you as a young Muslim, sure my bag and say, I've got some curry in my
:43:53. > :43:59.bag. Do I need to sure you and justify that I've got food in my
:44:00. > :44:07.bag? These stories are not rare. Whose fault is it? Some of the
:44:08. > :44:14.language we've been hearing since the referendum has been fuelling
:44:15. > :44:23.this. Some of the images the Leave campaign, the one led by my Ukip
:44:24. > :44:29.person here on the left, I'm not able to call him a colleague. The
:44:30. > :44:33.one led by his leader, Nigel Farage, when he stood in front of that
:44:34. > :44:41.revolting poster of desperate Syrian refugees saying, breaking point.
:44:42. > :44:48.Those images leave a lasting impact and they fuel some of the hate crime
:44:49. > :44:56.we've been seeing. Those posters were used in Germany in the 1930s.
:44:57. > :45:04.They are exact carbon copies. The week after the campaign, hate crime
:45:05. > :45:12.went up 43%. It says it all. Can I bring in the Conservative party
:45:13. > :45:15.member. We need to deal with these issues sensitively. We need to be in
:45:16. > :45:24.mind that what we say has consequences. I'm happy to say, I
:45:25. > :45:27.was a Remainer during the campaign but some of the language that was
:45:28. > :45:32.used could have been worded differently. There was a rise in
:45:33. > :45:38.hate crime. When it happens, we have to deal with it. The police forces
:45:39. > :45:42.dealt with it as best as they could. It was wonderful to see the British
:45:43. > :45:47.community rally around as well. I remember at the time that while
:45:48. > :45:56.there was an increase in hate crime, millions of people said, I don't
:45:57. > :46:03.like this. It was small communities all over the place but were giving
:46:04. > :46:13.comfort. It was a very sad and regrettable incident. The strength
:46:14. > :46:20.of this country is that the majority of people are decent people.
:46:21. > :46:31.I am not saying hate crime doesn't exist, it does. Khalid Mahmood from
:46:32. > :46:34.Labour, if Jeremy Corbyn becomes Prime Minister, what is he planning
:46:35. > :46:50.to do to tackle this sort of hate crime? He is planning to introduce
:46:51. > :46:57.10,000 more police on the streets. I would prefer community support
:46:58. > :47:01.officers on the ground as well. I have a fantastic community support
:47:02. > :47:06.officer in my constituency, who goes to people's houses. He understands
:47:07. > :47:10.what is going on. Let's not be reactive, let's be proactive in
:47:11. > :47:14.relation to the police. Jeremy Corbyn is saying we are going to
:47:15. > :47:19.increase the police forces. A lot of comments have been made about the
:47:20. > :47:24.crime. It is going up. If you look at the proper crime figures in terms
:47:25. > :47:29.of burglary, personal safety and mouth crime, it has gone up because
:47:30. > :47:33.we haven't got those people. I live in my constituency and we see what
:47:34. > :47:38.is going on. I have people here from my constituency who have had issues
:47:39. > :47:43.in relation to this and I speak to local people day in, day out. They
:47:44. > :47:47.can't put up with it. If you have an incident, you have to wait a few
:47:48. > :47:50.hours before the police turn up because they haven't got the
:47:51. > :47:53.resources. We need to have police back on the streets and not have
:47:54. > :47:59.them looking at some monitors or doing an IT job. The police's job is
:48:00. > :48:06.to gain intelligence on the ground and be proactive. We have so many
:48:07. > :48:11.other questions to get through. Let me look at another issue that is
:48:12. > :48:19.very important for voters in this election. Let's get the question. To
:48:20. > :48:25.the Ukip person, women should wear whatever they want to wear. If they
:48:26. > :48:29.don't want to wear it, they don't need to wear it. It is not something
:48:30. > :48:35.you should be saying about banning the hugger. No. Women should wear
:48:36. > :48:38.whatever they want to wear. -- banning the burqa. Women have come
:48:39. > :48:46.so far away from that now. We should be able to wear what we want to
:48:47. > :48:50.wear. My question is, how do you plan to lead us through Brexit
:48:51. > :48:56.successfully, what measures we take to make sure it is successful for
:48:57. > :49:01.the British people? Liberal Democrats? Firstly, to tie in Brexit
:49:02. > :49:05.with what we were discussing before, I think Theresa May's version of a
:49:06. > :49:11.hard Brexit where we crash out of the EU without a deal will pose a
:49:12. > :49:15.real problem to our national security, because we will lose the
:49:16. > :49:21.European arrest warrant, which was responsible for arresting one of the
:49:22. > :49:28.21-7 failed bombers. If we lose that ability, we will lose cooperation
:49:29. > :49:35.with Europol and we will lose access to databases in Europe. Nick Clegg
:49:36. > :49:43.was talking about the database which gives us mutual access, the 27
:49:44. > :49:47.countries in Europe, to each other's information and we share that. I
:49:48. > :49:58.think the British government uses it 16 times a second. It helps us stop
:49:59. > :50:01.suspected terrorists anywhere in Europe and vice versa, anyone
:50:02. > :50:07.flagged up in Europe as being at possible terrorist can be picked up
:50:08. > :50:14.in the UK. I believe your party is the only one offering another
:50:15. > :50:19.referendum on the Brexit bail. -- the Brexit deal. That is a key
:50:20. > :50:26.point. When we were asked to vote last year, we had two questions, yes
:50:27. > :50:31.or no? It didn't mention immigration, didn't mention the
:50:32. > :50:34.single market, didn't mention the rights of EU workers or our
:50:35. > :50:41.security. It didn't mention so many other things. In two years' time,
:50:42. > :50:49.nobody knows what the final deal will look like, least of all Theresa
:50:50. > :50:54.May. And given that we have a Prime Minister who has you turned after
:50:55. > :51:03.U-turn and has been shown to be weak and wobbly rather than strong and
:51:04. > :51:07.stable, should we give her the right over what future generations in
:51:08. > :51:11.Britain will have to live with? The Liberal Democrats say no. You, the
:51:12. > :51:16.people, should have the final say on what kind of Britain we live in. Let
:51:17. > :51:24.me bring in the Conservatives and Plaid Cymru. Let me bring the
:51:25. > :51:27.microphone to this lady. My name is Anya Choudhury. If we do have
:51:28. > :51:32.another referendum on Brexit, will it lead to voter fatigue and very
:51:33. > :51:43.undemocratic just to wait for the result we want? Can you briefly
:51:44. > :51:52.answer that? It is a valid point. There is voting fatigue. We are
:51:53. > :51:57.where we are. This started with a referendum last year asking the
:51:58. > :52:05.people, and democracy dictates that it finishes with a referendum and
:52:06. > :52:11.not one person taking the decision. The baroness speaks of democracy.
:52:12. > :52:15.17.4 million people in that referendum said they wanted to leave
:52:16. > :52:21.the European Union. They didn't say they wanted to leave the single
:52:22. > :52:28.market. If you let me finish, I can point out your in your accuracies --
:52:29. > :52:39.your inaccuracies. The referendum asked, in or out. 17.4 million
:52:40. > :52:49.people voted for out. They didn't vote for out of the single market,
:52:50. > :52:55.though. Brexit is about leadership. Theresa May wouldn't even turn up
:52:56. > :53:02.last night. 11 days after the general election, we have Theresa
:53:03. > :53:07.May negotiating with 27 European leaders, or Jeremy Corbyn. The
:53:08. > :53:11.people of Britain have to decide. It is very simple. You have only two
:53:12. > :53:15.candidates to be Prime Minister. One person was Home Secretary for six
:53:16. > :53:23.years and has a track record of dealing with the European Union. And
:53:24. > :53:30.U-turns, and failing to show up. Or Jeremy Corbyn, who basically has no
:53:31. > :53:34.confidence from his own party. 174 Labour members voted against him in
:53:35. > :53:39.a no-confidence motion, compared to 40 who supported him. Let me tell
:53:40. > :53:44.you what is at stake here. If we get the negotiations right, we will lock
:53:45. > :53:51.in the economic gains we have made in the past seven years. And also,
:53:52. > :54:01.the deficit is down by three quarters. You are sparking a lot of
:54:02. > :54:05.reaction with your comments. We want a good deal which will ensure that
:54:06. > :54:13.our economy continues to grow and by doing so, all the public services
:54:14. > :54:16.that everyone is concerned about, if we get the deal right, there will be
:54:17. > :54:24.more money for those services. If we get it wrong, the people complaining
:54:25. > :54:27.about the cuts, if Jeremy Corbyn is leading the negotiations, we will
:54:28. > :54:34.get a worse deal and they will find it will be worse. We will continue
:54:35. > :54:39.in a minute, Labour Party and Plaid Cymru. Let me take a question from
:54:40. > :54:43.the audience. I'm sorry, I have been watching all the election coverage
:54:44. > :54:47.and that is ridiculous. Jeremy has actually gone out and met people.
:54:48. > :54:51.Yours hides and she is brewed when she turns up. She didn't turn up
:54:52. > :54:58.last match. If she is so strong, what can she not defend that? Labour
:54:59. > :55:02.had a costed policy. There are 60 costed pledges in your manifesto.
:55:03. > :55:08.How are we supposed to vote for the Tories when you can't even give us?
:55:09. > :55:17.Let Khalid Mahmood from the Labour Party respond to some of that. The
:55:18. > :55:21.Tories say no deal is better than a bad deal. Who is going to create a
:55:22. > :55:25.bad deal? They are. Europe will put out a list of things they want to
:55:26. > :55:30.negotiate and the cost of those. Nobody in the Government is looking
:55:31. > :55:34.at that. Nobody has bothered to see what it is. Until they realise that
:55:35. > :55:37.this is more than rhetoric, this is about sitting down and negotiating
:55:38. > :55:42.properly, this is not about showing how hard and nasty Mrs May can be
:55:43. > :55:46.somebody who takes a U-turn through her election campaign at the start
:55:47. > :55:50.of her own manifesto. That is how strong she is. When she comes up
:55:51. > :55:56.against something, she doubles back straightaway. In terms of Brexit, we
:55:57. > :56:00.want a Brexit that allows our companies... The West Midlands here
:56:01. > :56:07.is a base of manufacturing. There will huge problems in terms of the
:56:08. > :56:10.way we import and export. In terms of world trade, there will be a huge
:56:11. > :56:15.cost to our manufacturing industry. How are we going to survive? They
:56:16. > :56:19.haven't got an answer to stop they are not telling of a single detail.
:56:20. > :56:25.They say, we are the best negotiators. That is because they
:56:26. > :56:30.are running scared of Jeremy Corbyn. They know he is becoming strong, so
:56:31. > :56:43.instead of looking at the issues, they are playing the player rather
:56:44. > :56:46.than playing the ball. Theresa May has a televised debate every week
:56:47. > :56:58.with Jeremy Corbyn when Parliament is sitting. Oh, come on. Shias out
:56:59. > :57:03.their the people who are going to be voting -- she is out there. But she
:57:04. > :57:12.didn't take part in the debate last night. Leanne Wood. A good deal is
:57:13. > :57:17.better than a bad deal, and a no-show is better than a bad show.
:57:18. > :57:24.That was why she wasn't there last night. She can't defend her
:57:25. > :57:34.policies. Let me try and get through everybody. Khaled, your words would
:57:35. > :57:37.have greater meaning if Jeremy Corbyn had not gone hand-in-hand
:57:38. > :57:44.with Theresa May through the lobbies in Westminster, supporting Article
:57:45. > :57:54.50 without any safeguards on the free movement of EU citizens already
:57:55. > :58:04.in the UK and without safeguards on keeping Britain in the single
:58:05. > :58:09.market. Leaving the single market would damage our economy beyond
:58:10. > :58:13.repair for decades. Let me bring Ukip's Bob Dylan into this. Leaving
:58:14. > :58:17.the European Union was the centrepiece of your party. What is
:58:18. > :58:21.the point of your party now? There is a lot of work to be done after
:58:22. > :58:25.leaving. Do you believe the Conservatives would deliver Brexit?
:58:26. > :58:38.I am disappointed at both the options the public have got, Theresa
:58:39. > :58:43.May or Jeremy Corbyn. Paul Nuttal? Well, I am disappointed because if
:58:44. > :58:48.they came in front of me in the boardroom, I would take them apart.
:58:49. > :58:58.This would be a separate show, I think! Do you still think your party
:58:59. > :59:03.has a point? Villa we have the Commonwealth nations that we do 95%
:59:04. > :59:09.of our trade with, and 5% with Europe. Our companies in the
:59:10. > :59:14.Midlands are going with confidence and winning orders. It is so hard to
:59:15. > :59:20.get into the European market that most of them don't even try. So I
:59:21. > :59:27.don't understand why we are fussing about the EU. It leaves us more than
:59:28. > :59:35.we need them. 20% of their trade is with us. 5% of vases with them. One
:59:36. > :59:40.issue that was mentioned with Brexit was immigration. We know it was an
:59:41. > :59:50.issue for them. Let me talk about immigration and integration.
:59:51. > :59:56.Community is made up of people coming from halfway across the world
:59:57. > :00:02.are accused of not integrating by the likes of Ukip and others on that
:00:03. > :00:07.panel. Spike integrating with one another, what needs to improve in
:00:08. > :00:17.British society and policy in order to accommodate the integration
:00:18. > :00:25.process? Leanne Wood? There needs to be strong statements from
:00:26. > :00:31.politicians about how everybody who lives on this land has to live
:00:32. > :00:38.together. We need to live together, there needs to be no racism and
:00:39. > :00:42.politicians should take the lead on that statement. One of the reasons I
:00:43. > :00:46.think it is on the rise is because of the political debate that has
:00:47. > :00:59.happened. Not just about Brexit but the question of immigration in
:01:00. > :01:04.particular. As the leader of Plaid Cymru I would say that for everyone
:01:05. > :01:08.in Wales, it can be a home for you, it is about a civic project,
:01:09. > :01:12.building up the nation and making sure everybody feels part of those
:01:13. > :01:19.communities. When politicians like Ukip and the Tories send out those
:01:20. > :01:24.signals that people ought to go back or are not welcome, or that numbers
:01:25. > :01:27.need to be cut, then I think we're doing the absolute opposite. The
:01:28. > :01:36.other thing I would like to see if there has a deliberate conflation of
:01:37. > :01:43.free movement of people and refugees and asylum seekers. You cannot,
:01:44. > :01:46.through voting to come out of the European Union, make any difference
:01:47. > :01:50.to the question of how many refugees come here. We have signed up to
:01:51. > :01:56.international treaties. We would want the same if we were escaping
:01:57. > :02:06.our state. We would not want to go to other countries and not be safe.
:02:07. > :02:12.We should comply with our international obligations and be
:02:13. > :02:17.prepared to support refugees. I just want to come to that point of
:02:18. > :02:25.integration. Whose responsibility is it to integrate? Is it people in the
:02:26. > :02:28.community, the government? I think you need to focus on what immigrants
:02:29. > :02:36.bring instead of what they take away. My mum works in a children's
:02:37. > :02:43.centre, I work for the NHS for five years, we bring a lot more to
:02:44. > :02:51.society than we take away. Do you feel the parties make you feel like
:02:52. > :02:58.they do not contribute? I feel we are a real value to society and this
:02:59. > :03:04.rhetoric will scare immigrants away. I hold very strong British values, I
:03:05. > :03:08.am a British person who will give this country everything I have and
:03:09. > :03:14.my parents were immigrants and I just feel that this rhetoric needs
:03:15. > :03:24.to stop, stop using immigrants as an excuse for your policies to get your
:03:25. > :03:28.message across. It is ridiculous. Whenever I come across the topic of
:03:29. > :03:34.immigration and immigrants being people that take things away I find
:03:35. > :03:44.it quite ironic because historically the first immigrants were Europeans.
:03:45. > :03:51.Nobody asked for colonisation. When we look at things like immigration,
:03:52. > :03:56.the Brexit role really revealed and gave voice to the elephant in the
:03:57. > :04:03.room that people have been walking past four years. The fact that a
:04:04. > :04:11.woman who is not white, is not rich, did not go to Eton is less likely to
:04:12. > :04:15.gain access, that has been going on for a long time. Before I got
:04:16. > :04:22.involved, to me, politics was bald, white and rich. I decided it was
:04:23. > :04:27.very important and if I'm going to be attacked, instead of complaining
:04:28. > :04:34.I will try and bring about some change. I think what politicians
:04:35. > :04:38.need to take into consideration is, how are we going to ask ourselves
:04:39. > :04:45.the real question, why is it the foundation on the ground is between
:04:46. > :04:51.white people and everybody else, the divide that has been there for years
:04:52. > :04:55.that people have avoided or used political correctness to go around,
:04:56. > :05:02.when are you going to take a stand and face it? Thank you for that
:05:03. > :05:11.question. Do you think there is a divide. Let me say, speaking as the
:05:12. > :05:18.son of an immigrant carpenter, I remember seeing bed-and-breakfast
:05:19. > :05:23.signs which said no blacks, no coloured, no dogs and no Irish. I
:05:24. > :05:33.remember as a Boy Scout about to press a doorbell when it said
:05:34. > :05:40.another discriminatory term. I know what it is like but let me tell you,
:05:41. > :05:45.politics has changed. It has people like me, the son of an immigrant
:05:46. > :05:51.carpenter. State educated throughout. Redbrick university.
:05:52. > :05:59.Ending up in Parliament as a conservative MP and as a minister.
:06:00. > :06:05.The world of politics has changed but that is not to say it cannot be
:06:06. > :06:07.improved. The thing about the Conservative Party is we're not
:06:08. > :06:15.saying that are stopping immigration. We are talking about
:06:16. > :06:20.reducing immigration. As politicians we have to listen to what the people
:06:21. > :06:26.of Britain are saying and 17.4 million people voted to leave the EU
:06:27. > :06:29.and many of those people voted that way because they are concerned about
:06:30. > :06:38.the central criteria of the single market, which talks about freedom of
:06:39. > :06:42.movement and Labour. When you have unelected people sitting in the
:06:43. > :06:49.Lords, ignoring the will of the people, is there any wonder the
:06:50. > :06:55.public is disenchanted? No wonder. We gave you the chance to reform the
:06:56. > :07:02.House of Lords and your party turned it down so do not accuse me of being
:07:03. > :07:06.unelected. You want to cut down on immigration. Ukip wants to
:07:07. > :07:15.immigration to zero -- reduce immigration. Can I ask this
:07:16. > :07:22.question, where are you going to cut immigration from? Who are you going
:07:23. > :07:27.to stop coming into the country? As somebody who has been a member of
:07:28. > :07:30.Parliament for the last 14 years, people say to me they are unemployed
:07:31. > :07:38.but they have the qualifications, and I think we as a country have a
:07:39. > :07:42.duty. Who are you going to stop them coming into the country? I assume
:07:43. > :07:47.you're talking about your appearance being in professions and I wonder if
:07:48. > :07:56.that is what you are interested to know about? Who are they going to
:07:57. > :08:03.stop? Well this is a biased presenter. I have let you speak a
:08:04. > :08:11.lot. You a cheap shot. Who are you going to cut? We would like to have
:08:12. > :08:15.less people coming here for jobs so that our own people can have those
:08:16. > :08:22.jobs and what we are going to do is increase the levy charged from
:08:23. > :08:25.employers when they pay annually are charged for people that they employ
:08:26. > :08:35.from overseas. We are doubling that in our manifesto and it would be
:08:36. > :08:42.used to train a raw and people -- our own people. Where there is a
:08:43. > :08:47.skilled vacancy, of course we will allow people in. They have hardly
:08:48. > :08:54.put anything into apprentices over the last seven years. I am a
:08:55. > :08:59.properly trained apprentice so I know what they are. Putting someone
:09:00. > :09:05.on a six-month course does not qualify you as an apprentice. We
:09:06. > :09:14.want to apply young people and give them a proper location. All they are
:09:15. > :09:20.doing is cutting the numbers. If you're looking at people come in
:09:21. > :09:26.then allow a points-based system. Why do you put a number on it? We
:09:27. > :09:31.will not have an open gate, we will have it as industry needs, as the
:09:32. > :09:37.community needs to comment, if they have the right skills they will, and
:09:38. > :09:49.on that basis, which will make a contribution to the Exchequer. What
:09:50. > :09:55.we will do in terms of integration, reflecting our institutions, in
:09:56. > :10:10.Birmingham we have a huge wealth of people. We have all these people.
:10:11. > :10:15.You get all walks of life. You get Muslims, Christians, that is what
:10:16. > :10:27.integration is about. Celebrating the best of our communities. You
:10:28. > :10:33.said we can train our home-grown population. It takes ten years to
:10:34. > :10:39.train a doctor. We have a shortage of doctors. We want a new medical
:10:40. > :10:44.school. We've been working hard for that. It will take ten years to
:10:45. > :10:53.train them. In the meantime we are cutting off our supply. How will the
:10:54. > :11:00.NHS cope with fewer doctors and nurses because of this drive to
:11:01. > :11:04.close? Can I just bring in Ukip, I want to get the audience into this.
:11:05. > :11:16.What will you do to encourage integration? I am all in favour of
:11:17. > :11:22.investing in the ladies and gentlemen of this university.
:11:23. > :11:29.Immigration is far too high. Governments have allowed it to go to
:11:30. > :11:39.80 million. I have no problem with immigrants coming in as long as it
:11:40. > :11:43.is points-based. Let him finish. Shut the door. You said you want a
:11:44. > :11:50.points-based system which is our policy so I don't know what you're
:11:51. > :11:54.talking about. We want, like Canada, New Zealand and elsewhere, where
:11:55. > :12:00.there is a shortage we will allow people in. 20 million people, we've
:12:01. > :12:08.got to let them have time to integrate. That will help. Over the
:12:09. > :12:11.years from the 1960s to 2000, we had major integration and there's never
:12:12. > :12:17.been a problem but in a short space of time we've had too many. Ideally
:12:18. > :12:27.want to go to the audience. Can I start with someone who's not ask a
:12:28. > :12:30.question. Surely the best way for integration is to have more
:12:31. > :12:35.diversity among the policymakers, among the police, the people that
:12:36. > :12:47.wield the powers in our institutions? Get involved in
:12:48. > :12:49.politics. Not just politics, we talk about the institutions you
:12:50. > :12:55.mentioned. Isn't it more important to have diversity in the police
:12:56. > :13:02.force? Can I get comments from other people? I just want to ask a
:13:03. > :13:08.question to the Tory and Ukip representatives. Would your parents
:13:09. > :13:16.have passed that system to let you into the country? Quickly, yes or
:13:17. > :13:31.no. The world is a lot different from the 1960s. That is not yes or
:13:32. > :13:34.no. Yes or no? This is hypocrisy. You are the children of immigrants
:13:35. > :13:42.and you are preventing the same rates you had and opportunities you
:13:43. > :13:46.had and that is wrong. Can we bring the microphone to the gentleman with
:13:47. > :13:57.the glasses. I want to get your comments. The Conservative MP keeps
:13:58. > :14:00.bringing this figure of 25% of the population and on top of that there
:14:01. > :14:07.was nothing on the ballot that promote we talked about immigration.
:14:08. > :14:17.It is simply a huge leap to claim it is. And the UCL Centre for analysis
:14:18. > :14:21.on migration released a paper that showed immigration did not depress
:14:22. > :14:28.wages, but it increased the economic output for the country. The
:14:29. > :14:36.statement that immigrants train the economy is simply not factual. I'm
:14:37. > :14:42.so sorry, I know that everyone wants to get their say, I want to get onto
:14:43. > :14:51.the issue of the NHS which is really important to our listeners.
:14:52. > :14:55.I am from Birmingham and I have been treated at the wonderful Queen
:14:56. > :15:00.Elizabeth Hospital here. I was diagnosed with cancer at the age of
:15:01. > :15:05.17. I'm 33 today and I still have it. Having been part of the NHS for
:15:06. > :15:10.over 15 years, I have personally seen its decline. That has gone from
:15:11. > :15:13.three cancelled operations, a missed tumour growth while I was pregnant
:15:14. > :15:18.with my first child that nearly resulted in my death, to now,
:15:19. > :15:22.delayed MRI scans because there aren't enough technicians to report.
:15:23. > :15:27.When that MRI scan is delayed, I have to marker buoys at home. My
:15:28. > :15:32.life is on hold. What are you going to do to reassure not just me, but
:15:33. > :15:35.the thousands of people who have been diagnosed with cancer, not
:15:36. > :15:40.getting treated and dying as a result, and why aren't they being
:15:41. > :15:46.diagnosed? Because our NHS is badly underfunded and in a crisis.
:15:47. > :15:49.Labour's Khalid Mahmood? The Conservatives claim they will boost
:15:50. > :15:54.funding for the National Health Service. If we carry on the way we
:15:55. > :16:02.are carrying on, we will have a huge waiting list. The Labour Party gave
:16:03. > :16:05.a guarantee of eight weeks to see cancer patients. I myself had a
:16:06. > :16:14.transplant in 2014, a kidney transplant. I had a ward where the
:16:15. > :16:19.nurses looking after me had to work additional hours without extra pay
:16:20. > :16:22.to support me, because they were the bravest people of all, supporting us
:16:23. > :16:27.without getting any pay and taking additional time out. The supervising
:16:28. > :16:32.nurse on that shift had to work four hours on top to get my release form
:16:33. > :16:40.sorted out. So they do a tremendous amount of work. The Conservative
:16:41. > :16:43.Party have now decided to drop the waiting times, because it doesn't
:16:44. > :16:47.matter if they are lying on trolleys in A They have consistently
:16:48. > :16:50.abused that. They say they are the party of the national health
:16:51. > :16:56.service. All they want to do is privatise it and give it to their
:16:57. > :16:58.mates. Is that what you want to do? Firstly, I am sorry to hear about
:16:59. > :17:06.the lady's health complaint and I wish you well in the future. As far
:17:07. > :17:11.as the NHS is concerned, the facts are that over the next five years in
:17:12. > :17:17.real terms, there will be an additional ?8 billion going into the
:17:18. > :17:26.NHS. There are record amounts of money going to mental health
:17:27. > :17:31.treatment. It is not enough. In the past seven years, there have been
:17:32. > :17:40.more than 11,000 doctors. We have put in place more than 12,000 nurses
:17:41. > :17:46.and midwives. Clearly, there has to be a recognition that there isn't a
:17:47. > :17:55.bottomless pit. I understand it is not a bottomless pit, but over 15
:17:56. > :18:00.years, it has never been this bad. I was asking for pain relief and I was
:18:01. > :18:04.waiting two hours. The nurse came to me in tears saying, I am so sorry
:18:05. > :18:16.you waited, my love, I haven't got enough staff. That is not good
:18:17. > :18:21.enough. As I say, in the past seven years, there are more than 12,000
:18:22. > :18:29.more nurses and midwives. I am sorry about your circumstances. Where are
:18:30. > :18:35.they? Madam, they are there. These are independently assessed figures.
:18:36. > :18:40.This is not just me. If we had longer, I could give you examples of
:18:41. > :18:43.other patients who have also suffered these delays. I have had a
:18:44. > :18:47.woman who got so fed up, she discharged herself and went home,
:18:48. > :18:50.and she was living on paracetamol. She then called me and she has died
:18:51. > :18:54.now because she didn't get chemotherapy in time. She was left
:18:55. > :18:59.waiting three months. With cancer, that can mean life or death. That
:19:00. > :19:04.doesn't reassure me. For me, voting for you is like signing my death
:19:05. > :19:09.warrant! That is how I feel. That certainly isn't the case. There are
:19:10. > :19:13.millions of other people who are not speaking up. Because the people who
:19:14. > :19:21.are speaking up telling you how bad it is and you not listening.
:19:22. > :19:26.Isolated incidents... No, they are not isolated. While I sympathise
:19:27. > :19:31.your circumstances, on a general basis, there are millions of people
:19:32. > :19:36.who are not speaking up because they are having good treatment in the
:19:37. > :19:40.NHS. As somebody who has been a parliamentarian for 14 years, I have
:19:41. > :19:51.had people coming to my surgeries... Try being in the system for 14 years
:19:52. > :19:56.and then try telling me that. The NHS is in crisis. The Liberal
:19:57. > :20:01.Democrats want to go back to basic principles. When the NHS was
:20:02. > :20:06.founded, it was on the principle that everybody pays in and those of
:20:07. > :20:13.us who are unfortunate enough to get ill have a service that will be
:20:14. > :20:17.equal for everyone. We have proposed that we will put a penny on income
:20:18. > :20:24.tax that everyone will pay. If you are unfortunate enough to need it,
:20:25. > :20:27.then you will benefit. John Nicholson, the former NHS chief, has
:20:28. > :20:38.said that the Liberal Democrats have the only credible plan to fund the
:20:39. > :20:45.NHS. And what we would do with that 1p on income tax is ring-fence it.
:20:46. > :20:50.That would provide service for the NHS, social care, no more dementia
:20:51. > :20:55.tax and mental health services. That is in the short term. Longer term,
:20:56. > :20:59.we want to have a cross-party commission that will take the
:21:00. > :21:06.politics out of the NHS and stop it being a political football. 6
:21:07. > :21:15.billion will be raised from a penny on income tax every year. Leanne
:21:16. > :21:19.Wood? Plaid Cymru has a plan to invest in 1000 doctors and 5000
:21:20. > :21:25.nurses. We have also put together a cancer plan to reduce waiting times.
:21:26. > :21:28.One element of that plan was to allow people to access read drugs
:21:29. > :21:36.and treatments. We worked on that with a campaigner and his wife.
:21:37. > :21:43.Sadly this week, he passed away. We owe it to him and his family to keep
:21:44. > :21:47.that campaign going. But there is a major question facing his wife now
:21:48. > :21:56.that he has passed, and that is the question of benefit cuts. To those
:21:57. > :22:00.families where a parent has died. Rebecca is now very concerned about
:22:01. > :22:05.the money she will be able to access, and all those families in
:22:06. > :22:10.the UK who, on top of this incredible worry about providing for
:22:11. > :22:14.children in the absence of a parent, have extra money worries on top. It
:22:15. > :22:20.shows that the Conservatives to be callous and pernicious with their
:22:21. > :22:23.benefit reforms. The NHS is a passionate subject for so many of
:22:24. > :22:30.you. Let me get a few more comments. I am a member of the community on
:22:31. > :22:35.mental health issues. The way you are talking is just lip service. I
:22:36. > :22:39.have been on a waiting list since September. When you talk about the
:22:40. > :22:44.increase in funding, why am I not seeing it? On top of that, within
:22:45. > :22:47.the black and minority ethnic community, there are still stigma
:22:48. > :22:53.around mental health issues. I would ask you all as members of
:22:54. > :22:57.minorities, what you have done. One in four people suffer from mental
:22:58. > :23:06.health issues. We can only tackle things if we talk about subjects
:23:07. > :23:10.which are taboo. Bob Dylan, Ukip? Congratulations on speaking up. The
:23:11. > :23:15.National Health Service is underfunded. We have a person in
:23:16. > :23:17.charge, Jeremy Hunt, who has said he wants to privatise the National
:23:18. > :23:28.Health Service. Privatisation started under Labour. Paul Nuttall
:23:29. > :23:32.wants to privatise the NHS too. He has said he doesn't. I am talking
:23:33. > :23:36.about what I am saying. . Paul Nuttall is your party leader,
:23:37. > :23:40.bright? The National Health Service has been good to me and my parents.
:23:41. > :23:44.They looked after my dad when he had a stroke. My mum was in a
:23:45. > :23:50.wheelchair. So I have admiration for all the staff who work in it and
:23:51. > :23:54.work long hours. If I was a doctor or nurse in today's NHS, I wouldn't
:23:55. > :24:02.want to work on it, it is so stressful. I have seen people
:24:03. > :24:08.leaving in droves. I don't think you answered the question, Bob. The
:24:09. > :24:18.gentleman was asking about mental health.
:24:19. > :24:26.Ukip would invest money from the City. I wasn't asking about
:24:27. > :24:32.politics, I ask you, what can we do to get rid of the stigma surrounding
:24:33. > :24:41.mental health in BAME communities? My friend was going to ask another
:24:42. > :24:43.question. What are you going to do about mental health student
:24:44. > :24:46.suicides? Student suicides have grown 50% in the last ten years. How
:24:47. > :24:49.many more times are we going to watch our friends and family take
:24:50. > :24:56.their own lives because they are on a waiting list? I have lost my best
:24:57. > :24:59.friend in 2015 due to suicide. Bristol universities have lost over
:25:00. > :25:05.six young people. These are people who are 18 to 25. Only after six
:25:06. > :25:09.young people have committed suicide, only then has a mental health review
:25:10. > :25:14.been launched. Why do we have to wait until people kill themselves to
:25:15. > :25:16.looked a review? You can give me all this lip service, saying we are
:25:17. > :25:22.investing all this money into the NHS, but where is this money? Where
:25:23. > :25:25.are the nurses, where are mental health services? How many more
:25:26. > :25:27.people are going to die at the hands of this government? And all the
:25:28. > :25:31.other parties, claiming you are going to put money in, I am fuming.
:25:32. > :25:34.I'm not going to wait for any parties to tell me they are going to
:25:35. > :25:40.put more funding in. I'm not going to which for more people to die. I
:25:41. > :25:43.am going to harass you all until something gets done about this
:25:44. > :25:46.mental health crisis. I am not going to lose any more friends. And I am
:25:47. > :25:49.not going to see more people on Facebook saying they are not going
:25:50. > :25:56.to be here any more. How would you feel if you lost your friends and
:25:57. > :26:06.family? We have a couple of minutes left. We are running out of time. We
:26:07. > :26:15.will get everyone talking after the show has finished. One more
:26:16. > :26:22.question. When will the British electorate be ready to vote for an
:26:23. > :26:30.Asian Prime Minister? We thought we would end with a light question.
:26:31. > :26:34.Khalid Mahmood. When were the political parties be in a position
:26:35. > :26:38.to elect a leader who can then be Prime Minister? We don't operate an
:26:39. > :26:40.American system. Until we get the political parties to elect somebody
:26:41. > :26:48.as a leader, then they will become the Prime Minister. Liberal
:26:49. > :26:54.Democrats? The Liberal Democrats have nine MPs, as you know. Sadly,
:26:55. > :27:00.we lost a lot in the previous parliament. No narration or black.
:27:01. > :27:04.Absolutely, because we don't have safe seats like Labour or the
:27:05. > :27:15.Conservatives, where you can parachute in Asian candidates. If we
:27:16. > :27:20.did have an Asian MP and he was on the right calibre, this is not about
:27:21. > :27:25.tokenism. If they were of the right calibre, they would surely become
:27:26. > :27:31.Prime Minister. But it would need you to elect Liberal Democrat MPs.
:27:32. > :27:39.Bob Dylan of Ukip? Hopefully sooner rather than later. The Conservatives
:27:40. > :27:44.have had two women prime ministers. I am confident that the first Asian
:27:45. > :27:48.Prime Minister will be in the Conservatives. Leanne Wood? I would
:27:49. > :27:54.like to say as soon as possible. That is it from us here in
:27:55. > :28:00.Birmingham with the Asian Network's election debates. A week from today,
:28:01. > :28:03.the polls were open. You will be voting for the politicians and MPs
:28:04. > :28:06.who will represent us in Parliament and of course the Prime Minister.
:28:07. > :28:16.Apologies to our audience for not being able to ask all your
:28:17. > :28:17.questions. For now, from me, the audience and our panel of guests,
:28:18. > :29:02.goodbye. To survive in politics, you have to
:29:03. > :29:07.be bold, and one such bold man was Chief Magistrate Mr Brascan Crosby.
:29:08. > :29:12.He was a champion of the liberty of the press at a time when publishing
:29:13. > :29:18.reports of the Muntari debates was considered a breach of the
:29:19. > :29:20.privileges of the House. Printers were frequently punished. In 1771,