First Round

:00:00. > :00:00.have been on the steep streets to ensure security. We now have a

:00:00. > :00:18.special programme, France Decides, with Christian Fraser in Paris.

:00:19. > :00:25.Hello and a very warm welcome to our special results programme from

:00:26. > :00:29.Paris. It's a lovely evening here in the French capital, the

:00:30. > :00:33.Champs-Elysees behind us looking resplendent in the evening sunshine.

:00:34. > :00:37.A fascinating night in prospect, with regards to the election

:00:38. > :00:40.campaign. 11 candidates on the ballot paper today, two will go

:00:41. > :00:45.through to the final round, the second round of voting a week on

:00:46. > :00:48.Sunday. We will talk about those candidates in a second but let's

:00:49. > :00:52.focus on the French people. This election taking place in the context

:00:53. > :00:56.of those awful events on the Chantilly sake Thursday, in which a

:00:57. > :01:03.policeman was killed. Security has been stepped up today. The Interior

:01:04. > :01:06.Ministry put 50,000 extra security personnel at the polling stations up

:01:07. > :01:10.and down the country. It seems to have done the trick. Some healthy

:01:11. > :01:14.cues up and down the country. The turnout rate which has been

:01:15. > :01:19.predicted so far somewhere near where it was in 2012. Yet again, in

:01:20. > :01:23.the face of terrorism, the French people showing themselves to be

:01:24. > :01:27.hugely resilient. Which is a good thing because we can focus on the

:01:28. > :01:32.election, the candidates, the policies that matter to the French

:01:33. > :01:36.people. Not since 1958, in the founding of the fifth Republic, have

:01:37. > :01:40.we seen something like what we are witnessing here tonight. Politics in

:01:41. > :01:43.France has been dominated by the two party system but it could well be

:01:44. > :01:49.this evening that the main two parties are eliminated in the first

:01:50. > :01:55.round. We see. Let's talk about the focus candidates we need to focus

:01:56. > :01:59.on. Emmanuel Macron, 39. He would be the youngest president of modern

:02:00. > :02:04.times. Formerly the economy minister in the Socialist party but spirit

:02:05. > :02:10.and a year ago started own party, En Marche! . He was at the top of the

:02:11. > :02:15.polls on Friday evening. We will show you that in a second. There he

:02:16. > :02:20.is voting earlier today. The other person we are focusing on,

:02:21. > :02:25.of course, Marine le Pen of the Front National, the far right party,

:02:26. > :02:30.who has been voting today. It is a little like the rust belt of France

:02:31. > :02:33.where she was voting, a bit like the northern states for Donald Trump

:02:34. > :02:36.that did so well for him in the election. She gets a lot of support

:02:37. > :02:40.up there, a regional councillor there. She was just behind Emmanuel

:02:41. > :02:45.Macron in the polls on Friday evening at the end of the campaign.

:02:46. > :02:48.Running her close, quite extraordinary, because Francois

:02:49. > :02:51.Fillon has been dogged by allegations throughout the campaign.

:02:52. > :02:56.He has hung on. For recent days and weeks he has shown himself to be

:02:57. > :02:59.quite resilient in the polls. Here he is voting in Paris today, the

:03:00. > :03:05.former Prime Minister still in with a very good shout indeed. He will

:03:06. > :03:11.run Marine le Pen close. So the far left candidate also, Jean-Luc

:03:12. > :03:13.Melenchon. Quite an extraordinary campaign, Hayley has been around for

:03:14. > :03:22.a long time. Aligned with the Communist Party. Run his campaign, I

:03:23. > :03:25.think last week he was in Dijon. Campaigning in six cities through

:03:26. > :03:30.his hologram. He has connected with young people through social media

:03:31. > :03:35.and got himself into a prominent position in the polls. Really, the

:03:36. > :03:40.sorry story, you would have to say, off the campaign has been the

:03:41. > :03:43.socialist candidate, Benoit Hamon, who has never taken. Suffering under

:03:44. > :03:46.the legacy of Francois Hollande, many people perceive in France not

:03:47. > :03:50.to have done a good job over the last five years. Whether that is

:03:51. > :03:55.fair or not. He was in single digits in the polls on Friday. He really

:03:56. > :03:58.would be considered to be the outsider in this race. It

:03:59. > :04:21.followed by Marine le Pen, and also we have Francois Fillon and Jean-Luc

:04:22. > :04:25.Melenchon. Back with us for another election is Dominique, a very good

:04:26. > :04:30.friend of the BBC, French political scientist Amorsino councillor of the

:04:31. > :04:35.think tank in Paris. A warm welcome to you, thank you for being with us.

:04:36. > :04:42.Have you seen an election as unpredictable as this before? Never,

:04:43. > :04:47.no. And the global director of one of the main polling agencies here in

:04:48. > :04:51.France. You are going to help us through the first projections we

:04:52. > :04:54.will see this evening. Tell me a bit about those projections, where do

:04:55. > :05:00.they come from, how are they gathered? What is important to say,

:05:01. > :05:05.we're not polling people at all. This is ballot counting. We have

:05:06. > :05:10.built a big sample of polling stations, and that's why it's a bit

:05:11. > :05:15.more difficult today, because we have one hour less to do so,

:05:16. > :05:20.considering the polling stations are closing later. So we are here to

:05:21. > :05:29.assist to the counting of the ballot, and then we consolidate the

:05:30. > :05:33.result until the moment. It will be an evolving picture through the

:05:34. > :05:38.evening. Absolutely. There is also a possibility, we need to say this,

:05:39. > :05:43.that we will fine tune the result throughout the night. OK. It will be

:05:44. > :05:47.so close, because as I was saying, we have not seen an election like

:05:48. > :05:54.this probably in the entirety of the fifth Republic. No, this time it's

:05:55. > :05:59.different, this time it's different because the big classical figures of

:06:00. > :06:07.French politics that were Nicolas Sarkozy, Francois Hollande... The

:06:08. > :06:17.former Prime Minister, are not present. They were simply eliminated

:06:18. > :06:22.or chose not to run, because their unpopularity was too high, in the

:06:23. > :06:27.case of Francois Hollande. This time it's different because the two

:06:28. > :06:31.classical parties may simply not be present on the second round. This

:06:32. > :06:37.time it's different because you have someone that seems to be coming from

:06:38. > :06:44.nowhere, very young, very attractive, Emmanuel Macron, who is

:06:45. > :06:50.trying to do what has never been achieved. In other words, to win an

:06:51. > :06:54.election by saying I am neither right nor left, I select from the

:06:55. > :07:00.left programme what I think is good for France, and I select from the

:07:01. > :07:03.programme of the right what is good for France. We are looking to see if

:07:04. > :07:07.the trend we have seen in Britain with Brexit and in the United States

:07:08. > :07:13.with Donald Trump, if it follows in the third biggest economy here in

:07:14. > :07:20.Europe. Strictly speaking a manual macron is not an outsider? He is the

:07:21. > :07:28.incarnation of the French elite. National School of administration,

:07:29. > :07:34.banker... But he's also a complete outsider in the sense that he is so

:07:35. > :07:43.new in politics. He's never run for office. I don't think it would be

:07:44. > :07:47.possible in another country. He's a romantic, literary figure. His wife

:07:48. > :08:00.says it's difficult to live with someone who takes himself for Joan

:08:01. > :08:05.of Arc. But physically -- Bernard part.

:08:06. > :08:15.When people look at the polls they will be, -- will be amazed Francois

:08:16. > :08:20.Fillon is still hanging around. Would it be possible anywhere else?

:08:21. > :08:29.How has he hung on? I think we are doing lots of core research, as

:08:30. > :08:34.well. In that research you cannot change people from the right, some

:08:35. > :08:43.of them. So they told us, OK, first the others are doing the same, but

:08:44. > :08:47.also he is probably the only one, even if it is by default, is the

:08:48. > :08:54.only one. They are focused on his programme. So I think yes, by the

:08:55. > :08:58.way, has dropped a lot from the beginning. Because he was the

:08:59. > :09:04.fancied candidate. In a really good position right now. We will see

:09:05. > :09:10.tonight, but I think it's complicated for him. A respected of

:09:11. > :09:12.the result, there will be millions of people in France who have voted

:09:13. > :09:18.for far right and far left. What does that say about the French

:09:19. > :09:24.system at the moment? Well, it says a lot about the French mood. It says

:09:25. > :09:27.a lot about populist at large. In fact, you can read the French

:09:28. > :09:34.election in comparing them with the Brexit result in Great Britain or

:09:35. > :09:39.with the election of Donald Trump in the United States. From that

:09:40. > :09:45.standpoint you have three keywords: anger, anger at the elite, rejection

:09:46. > :09:51.of them a fear of the future and of the other and a strong element of

:09:52. > :09:56.nostalgia for a France that no longer exists. That was much less

:09:57. > :10:01.diverse. You were telling me that for all the policies that have been

:10:02. > :10:04.discussed in this campaign. You still believe Europe with the

:10:05. > :10:09.central core issue? Absolutely. First it was a bit like the elephant

:10:10. > :10:16.in the room. It became more and more explicit afterwards. We have a usual

:10:17. > :10:22.dividing lines between right and left, of course, between also

:10:23. > :10:28.liberalism and elitism, but there is a third one, which was a much more

:10:29. > :10:36.important one for selection, which are openness, Europe, globalism,

:10:37. > :10:40.versus closure and sovereignty and nationalism. I think it really made

:10:41. > :10:48.the difference, because every subject was related, were related to

:10:49. > :10:52.that. Immigration, security, even taxation and environment, everything

:10:53. > :10:57.was related to Europe. I think this is pretty new. And of course all

:10:58. > :11:03.eyes in Europe will be on this election. You have two Eurosceptic

:11:04. > :11:07.candidates in the top four, Jean-Luc Melenchon and Marine le Pen. There

:11:08. > :11:12.are lessons in this not just for France but those in Brussels as

:11:13. > :11:15.well. Very much so. In fact, the French today are voting for Europe

:11:16. > :11:21.or against Europe. They are voting for democracy against democracy.

:11:22. > :11:26.This is the first time you could say this is the year of France, in

:11:27. > :11:31.electoral terms. This is not only the most uncertain election in the

:11:32. > :11:41.history of the fifth Republic, but it is the most important one, coming

:11:42. > :11:45.interpretations. Never two without interpretations. Never two without

:11:46. > :11:51.three may mean Brexit, Trump and Marine le Pen or numbered two

:11:52. > :11:56.without three can mean Austria, the Netherlands and no France, a beacon

:11:57. > :12:01.of hope in the fight against populism. I'm bound to ask you, for

:12:02. > :12:04.our British viewers who are watching, which of these candidates

:12:05. > :12:09.would be better for Brexit and which would be worse for Brexit? It

:12:10. > :12:14.depends which Brexit you mean! Chappell there is the debate itself.

:12:15. > :12:20.When we see Theresa May, I'm not sure what she will go for, you

:12:21. > :12:28.know... Emmanuel Macron threatening to take jobs! But probably, maybe

:12:29. > :12:35.Dominique will complete my answer, but probably the negotiations will

:12:36. > :12:41.be harder for the UK with Emmanuel Macron than it would be with Marine

:12:42. > :12:45.le Pen, of course. I will get your thoughts on that in a second. Our

:12:46. > :12:45.worldview is going to go away for a break.

:12:46. > :13:03.You are watching BBC News. OK. We focused a bit of voters in

:13:04. > :13:07.France today. Good queueing up and down the country, and lots in

:13:08. > :13:11.London. A big constituency in London. I believe they were waiting

:13:12. > :13:15.over an hour and a half in London where they were voting. Important

:13:16. > :13:19.constituency. Hugh Schofield has been out and about today testing the

:13:20. > :13:24.mood, and he has been to the seven are spot in France where many people

:13:25. > :13:33.have been voting today. Let's take a look.

:13:34. > :13:36.You join me in the 17th zone of Paris where the school has been

:13:37. > :13:41.turned into a polling station. I'm not allowed to go and film inside

:13:42. > :13:45.the polling station but I have been inside personally and I can tell you

:13:46. > :13:49.that are long, long queues of people in that. It is very busy indeed,

:13:50. > :13:53.suggesting that the terrorist attack not far from here three days ago now

:13:54. > :13:57.has not had any impact on people's willingness to turn out and vote.

:13:58. > :14:03.Across the country they are saying at lunchtime is 28%, 29%, which is

:14:04. > :14:12.pretty good, and broadly in line with past presidential elections

:14:13. > :14:15.when turnout does tend to be very high indeed. We go down here and we

:14:16. > :14:17.will see in a moment the long line of election posters for all 11

:14:18. > :14:20.candidates. 11 candidates overall, but only four have got any serious

:14:21. > :14:26.chance of getting through to the second round. Marine le Pen,

:14:27. > :14:30.Francois Fillon, Emmanuel Macron and Jean-Luc Melenchon. One of the key

:14:31. > :14:35.factors in this election, I think, is going to be to see how much

:14:36. > :14:39.tactical voting goes on. Because there will be some people, but how

:14:40. > :14:43.many we don't know, who are tempted to vote for Marine le Pen but will

:14:44. > :14:46.in fact vote for Francois Fillon, in order to keep out Emmanuel Macron.

:14:47. > :14:50.At the other end of the spectrum there will be people who want to

:14:51. > :14:55.vote for Jean-Luc Melenchon but will say no, we will vote for Emmanuel

:14:56. > :15:01.Macron in order to prevent Marine le Pen and Francois Fillon going

:15:02. > :15:12.through. It's an points out that this election will hinge.

:15:13. > :15:18.We have our correspondence out and about at all of the headquarters of

:15:19. > :15:22.the main candidates this evening. Let's go around the country and

:15:23. > :15:26.visit some of them. First in the Calais region. What kind of day have

:15:27. > :15:34.you had there, catty Adler? I can tell you it's pretty full

:15:35. > :15:38.linear but pretty full outside as well. A lot of the party faithful

:15:39. > :15:46.queueing and shouting their support for Marine le Pen outside the gate.

:15:47. > :15:51.Here there is a lot of tension, as there is across France today. Marine

:15:52. > :15:55.le Pen has spoken in her campaign in the name of the people. She has

:15:56. > :15:58.talked about revolution and tried to do something revolutionary, by

:15:59. > :16:02.having her party outside Paris, away from those she calls the elite. And

:16:03. > :16:06.in northern France where she made her political name. The problem for

:16:07. > :16:09.her and her supporters, along with her being at the top of the polls,

:16:10. > :16:14.three others have been as well. It has been too close to call. There is

:16:15. > :16:18.a lot of nail-biting going on in the room tonight. No body is quite sure.

:16:19. > :16:25.Polls will be closing very soon now and we will get an idea if she is in

:16:26. > :16:32.or out of the second round. What is it about their that mean she does

:16:33. > :16:36.well? Is it deindustrialisation, employment, poverty, a combination

:16:37. > :16:39.of all those things? It is all of that. If you look at the history of

:16:40. > :16:44.the National front, it's known as the far right racist party. It was

:16:45. > :16:48.the party of Marine le Pen's father. When she took it over, she tried to

:16:49. > :16:52.make the party more attractive to mainstream voters. She was inspired

:16:53. > :16:58.to do that here. She was a local councillor here. She saw for herself

:16:59. > :17:02.the damage that was done in areas of France where big industrial towns

:17:03. > :17:06.were suddenly shut down and became depressed economically. Youth

:17:07. > :17:10.unemployment here runs at 30%. People feel forgotten and hidden

:17:11. > :17:14.away. That is why she has chosen to put her election party here, to say,

:17:15. > :17:19.I haven't forgotten you. She's very strong in her campaign, not only

:17:20. > :17:22.anti immigration but pro-welfare state. Helping France's poorer

:17:23. > :17:26.families, writes for the workers. She says France for the French and

:17:27. > :17:36.all of the friend, not just the rich but the poorer as well. That rings

:17:37. > :17:38.very true here. She is very loved. This is absolutely a National front

:17:39. > :17:41.stronghold, but the same cannot be said for the whole of the French

:17:42. > :17:44.Republic, of course. I remember in 2012 when she took over the party

:17:45. > :17:49.from her father. It is a different party to the one that her father ran

:17:50. > :17:53.until that point. Some would say the DNA of the party is still very much

:17:54. > :17:59.the same, but do you think in the eyes of some voters she's managed to

:18:00. > :18:03.change the image of the National front? Absolutely. When you ask the

:18:04. > :18:07.party faithful, and I'm talking about the more mainstream party

:18:08. > :18:12.faithful, young university students who are strong followers of the

:18:13. > :18:17.National Front, we've spoken to. They say, we are not racist, because

:18:18. > :18:20.if you have an identity card, whoever you are, Christian, Jewish

:18:21. > :18:25.or Muslim, whatever the colour of your skin, you are French. If you

:18:26. > :18:31.are French your party should be Front National. That's how they

:18:32. > :18:35.fear. They decried a racist image the party still has. If you scratch

:18:36. > :18:38.underneath the surface, of course, there is the extremist element still

:18:39. > :18:43.there but there is more mainstream element as well this is it enough

:18:44. > :18:45.for Marine le Pen to get through to the second round? People here will

:18:46. > :18:49.be dreadfully disappointed if she doesn't. There was much talk in the

:18:50. > :18:52.last few weeks she could either make it to that top position, to

:18:53. > :18:56.President itself. If she doesn't get through to the second round there

:18:57. > :19:03.will be a lot of glum faces and a very depressed environment in here,

:19:04. > :19:06.that's for sure. I can well imagine. Good to hear

:19:07. > :19:08.from you. We will hear from you again later. Now we can go to

:19:09. > :19:12.Emmanuel Macron's camp. I would imagine James, a great sense of

:19:13. > :19:17.anticipation there? There is. There is a reasonably

:19:18. > :19:21.buoyant mood here. Every time a French TV switches to a shot here,

:19:22. > :19:23.lots of young people in the audience waving their flags. They are

:19:24. > :19:28.essentially a few minutes away from finding out whether or not this

:19:29. > :19:33.campaign was based on something more than promises and vagueness. Whether

:19:34. > :19:38.it will be promised and based on real actual votes. There is a

:19:39. > :19:41.significant hope here that Emmanuel Macron will move forward to the

:19:42. > :19:45.second round. What is it, do you think, about

:19:46. > :19:50.Emmanuel Macron that has captured the imagination of the French

:19:51. > :19:55.people? He's given a fresh look at things.

:19:56. > :20:00.The irony, the paradox of his campaign is he really is an insider.

:20:01. > :20:04.He went to prestigious universities, he worked as an investment banker,

:20:05. > :20:08.worked and served as the economy minister, but he's reinvented

:20:09. > :20:12.himself as an antiestablishment outsider. I think that's what's

:20:13. > :20:17.captured the imagination of some French people. In some ways this is

:20:18. > :20:19.almost a throwback campaign to Europe 20 years ago, when

:20:20. > :20:23.centre-left candidate following Clinton and Tony Blair used to run

:20:24. > :20:27.campaigns like this. That has caught the attention of some young people,

:20:28. > :20:33.some educated people and some people in France's cities, as well.

:20:34. > :20:38.OK, thank you. We will come back to you when we get that first

:20:39. > :20:42.projection. Interesting what James was then, that the campaign that

:20:43. > :20:46.Emmanuel Macron has run, if you had to put your finger on it, it's quite

:20:47. > :20:51.difficult, it's a little bit vague, isn't it? Yes, but by the end of the

:20:52. > :20:57.day they will vote for the person, not for the programme. The

:20:58. > :21:06.anticipation of what the person can do, and a mood. In the 2017 campaign

:21:07. > :21:12.there was one candidate of hope, one candidate that projected optimism.

:21:13. > :21:20.Will he win? We will know. We will see. MNU Earle, it is probably the

:21:21. > :21:24.right guy at the right place at the right moment. As the landscape is

:21:25. > :21:32.really polarised, the centre, the moderate camp, you can represent

:21:33. > :21:37.that. I think this is true for him and also... With the Francois Fillon

:21:38. > :21:46.allegations as well, everything is aligned for him. There is no real

:21:47. > :21:50.enthusiasm against Emmanuel Macron. He is also a candidate by default.

:21:51. > :21:56.This is probably the worst common denominator in a way. I think this

:21:57. > :21:59.is why he could be about to gather lots of people around him. But

:22:00. > :22:05.afterwards, there will be other elections. Yes. Has he also

:22:06. > :22:10.benefited from the fact he's managed to break away from Francois Hollande

:22:11. > :22:15.and the Socialist party? I sort of remember when I was here we used to

:22:16. > :22:17.joke about the Socialist party, the Prime Minister and Francois Hollande

:22:18. > :22:22.really wanted a social Democrat party and they were held by the hard

:22:23. > :22:26.left of their party. Is Emmanuel Macron really where Francois

:22:27. > :22:31.have liked to be, could have been, have liked to be, could have been,

:22:32. > :22:39.in a way, if he had not been prisoner of the false promises he

:22:40. > :22:43.made during the 2012 campaign. He should have immediately said, I'm

:22:44. > :22:48.sorry, I didn't realise the state of the economy, we have to move towards

:22:49. > :22:52.reform much more rapidly than we should have done. And, in fact, that

:22:53. > :22:56.was a programme of Emmanuel Macron. He is more a combination of the

:22:57. > :23:04.social liberal and social Democrat. Yes. We heard lots of people would

:23:05. > :23:07.be desperately disappointed if they don't get through to the second

:23:08. > :23:13.round, having been at the top of the poll since the beginning of last

:23:14. > :23:19.year. Absolutely. I think it would also be a problem for the Front

:23:20. > :23:28.National, because there are two lines within the Front National, and

:23:29. > :23:36.Robert Blay the elitist line Marine le Pen and others are wearing have

:23:37. > :23:42.difficulty, apart from the other line, more liberalist, more

:23:43. > :23:47.Europe... Is it her all what they call the Republican front that keeps

:23:48. > :23:51.her out and the far right out of power? Is it the job she's done that

:23:52. > :23:55.will be criticised if they don't get through? I think it's her,

:23:56. > :24:02.personally. She hasn't run a convincing campaign? You don't

:24:03. > :24:06.think? I think she's done a bad campaign, hesitating to choose

:24:07. > :24:10.between two clear lines. Returning at the very end to what you called

:24:11. > :24:20.the DNA of the National Front. The memory of the regime, and that, of

:24:21. > :24:26.have played a great role. We'll have played a great role. We'll

:24:27. > :24:31.explain the glass ceiling. Lets pontificate for a second. Let's say

:24:32. > :24:35.that Francois Fillon miraculously gets into the second round after all

:24:36. > :24:39.he's been through and in a run off with Emmanuel Macron, a manual

:24:40. > :24:42.macron has the benefit of two pockets of left-wing voters who are

:24:43. > :24:46.suddenly going to look for someone to vote for. Is he always going to

:24:47. > :24:52.be in a stronger position than any of the other candidates? Absolutely.

:24:53. > :25:00.Of course, this will be, after tonight, another election. So this

:25:01. > :25:05.is probably premature, but we also asked the question of this second

:25:06. > :25:11.round. Each time, it didn't matter the consideration, Emmanuel Macron

:25:12. > :25:15.is... He wins, whether he faces, in your polling? Yes. He has to get

:25:16. > :25:19.through first, of course, we don't know! This would be a new election

:25:20. > :25:24.because we don't know anything yet, this would be a new election, and

:25:25. > :25:30.there would be another campaign in two weeks. Yes. If Francois Fillon

:25:31. > :25:34.was to get through, at the expense of Marine le Pen, what would he have

:25:35. > :25:39.to do to beat Emmanuel Macron? It would be very difficult. It would

:25:40. > :25:46.look to the world as a victory of reason, moderation and democracy.

:25:47. > :25:51.The extreme left and extreme right would not be present on the second

:25:52. > :25:54.ballot. You anticipate that would be a good thing for France if it

:25:55. > :25:59.happened? For the image of France and reality of Europe. And what if,

:26:00. > :26:03.the other reality, we might not know for another ten minutes, but what if

:26:04. > :26:08.it is the National Front and the hard left? What would that mean for

:26:09. > :26:15.France? A catastrophe, people would lead. -- would leave. The bank would

:26:16. > :26:22.be in a difficult position. The market would fall tomorrow. That is

:26:23. > :26:30.the horror scenario, which is not completely impossible to anticipate,

:26:31. > :26:34.but hopefully very unlikely. Also for Europe. And also for Europe,

:26:35. > :26:39.because you would have two Eurosceptic parties there. Let's

:26:40. > :26:41.talk about Jean-Luc Melenchon. An extraordinary character. I do smile

:26:42. > :26:50.when I see him on the campaign trail. He is there in his jacket, an

:26:51. > :26:53.admirer of Hugo Chavez, aligned with the Communists, how is he up there

:26:54. > :27:00.at the top of the polls? Where is he pulling his supporters from? He is

:27:01. > :27:09.the most popular in our surveys, compared to the other candidates.

:27:10. > :27:13.There is nothing to say. He is popular, backed by the communists,

:27:14. > :27:26.of course, but popular also, you know, with the Socialists. I think

:27:27. > :27:31.too close to him... He is taken Benoit Hamon? The main Socialist

:27:32. > :27:36.candidate? He has totally stolen the voters of NOR Hamon. I think it

:27:37. > :27:40.explains his hype now. It's very interesting, was by far the best

:27:41. > :27:48.candidate. He is a combination of the spirit of 68, let's rock the

:27:49. > :27:58.boat completely, and the language of the Communist Party in the 1940s and

:27:59. > :28:05.1950s. This is this combination of total anachronism and totally

:28:06. > :28:11.revolutionary spur. Another man that fits the moment? It was the best

:28:12. > :28:15.also during the debates, the debates, the meetings. He is a great

:28:16. > :28:20.actor. Years and a very good turn of phrase. There were a couple of

:28:21. > :28:28.moments in the debate where he skewered his opponents, didn't he?

:28:29. > :28:34.Doing this... Let's stop very briefly about Mr Hollande. A

:28:35. > :28:40.disappointing campaign for him. Maybe not entirely his own fault.

:28:41. > :28:46.No, but largely his own fault. Do you think so? He was the candidate

:28:47. > :28:53.of the rejection of Hollande, and he went quite far to the left, to the

:28:54. > :29:00.risk, that happened, of dividing the party. The moderate went to a

:29:01. > :29:06.Emmanuel Macron and the left went to Jean-Luc Melenchon. He had no space,

:29:07. > :29:13.but he created that for him. His strategy was suicidal. I think he

:29:14. > :29:18.has won the primaries for the same reason he will lose the presidential

:29:19. > :29:22.election. Well, it is fascinating. You are

:29:23. > :29:25.both going to stay with us, I hope, and see what we get from the

:29:26. > :29:29.projections. We get our first projections in a little over a

:29:30. > :29:33.minute's time. Of course, they are about to close all the polling

:29:34. > :29:37.stations around the country. The first count will begin. It may be

:29:38. > :29:42.that we don't get a final result for several hours. We may get a front

:29:43. > :29:48.runner and that we may get two or three candidates following up close

:29:49. > :29:51.behind. It may be so close, if you look at the polling you could throw

:29:52. > :29:54.a tea towel over them. It might be so close we don't know who is going

:29:55. > :29:57.through to the second round, be two or three hours. That is the

:29:58. > :30:01.situation. It's fascinating. It's going to be an exciting night for

:30:02. > :30:06.everybody who is watching. We are going to go straight through to the

:30:07. > :30:11.new hour. You are watching BBC News and we are in Paris. We are in a

:30:12. > :30:16.beautiful setting, with the Arc de Triomphe lit up behind us by the

:30:17. > :30:18.late evening sunshine. The Champs-Elysees is full of people,

:30:19. > :30:21.which tells a bit about the resilience of the French people.

:30:22. > :30:28.They have been going out to polls. Let's have a little look.

:30:29. > :30:39.I am just looking at French television. We are looking at the

:30:40. > :30:44.top of the protection. 23% for Emmanuel Macron and Marine Le Pen

:30:45. > :30:50.with Francois Fillon and Jean-Luc Melenchon at 19%. This is a

:30:51. > :31:00.projection, not a final result. Only a projection from the early votes

:31:01. > :31:08.that have been counted. This is the same. You have Emmanuel Macron on

:31:09. > :31:14.23%, and Marine Le Pen, as well. So net and neck. As the ball still

:31:15. > :31:19.does, Francois Fillon and Jean-Luc Melenchon turning up in third and

:31:20. > :31:23.fourth. Neck and neck as well. This is not a final result, it is a

:31:24. > :31:31.projection from the early votes that are counted. Yes, but this is the

:31:32. > :31:37.information we think we can release right now. We will do some fine

:31:38. > :31:46.tuning throughout the evening, but this is the result. Just looking at

:31:47. > :31:51.pictures from the Marine Le Pen camp. The flags waving. They think

:31:52. > :31:57.they are going through to the second round. What does that mean for

:31:58. > :32:03.French politics? It is a double earthquake. She is in the second

:32:04. > :32:13.round, plus this is the elimination of the classical political forces in

:32:14. > :32:19.France. This has never happened before in history. The 2-party

:32:20. > :32:23.system is over. It is the end of the fifth Republic as we knew it. It

:32:24. > :32:32.will not be the sixth Republic. The man who wanted to create the sixth

:32:33. > :32:36.Republic probably won't qualify. As the results are coming, it is fair

:32:37. > :32:41.to say that the next president of France will probably be Emmanuel

:32:42. > :32:52.Macron, because all of the projections are that he would win,

:32:53. > :32:56.all going in his direction. Let's go to the paddock Calais region in the

:32:57. > :33:06.north. I think people there would be quite optimistic? That's right. It

:33:07. > :33:10.is pretty chaotic, pretty noisy. They are celebrating as though it

:33:11. > :33:17.has been confirmed that Marine Le Pen, their candidate, has won as

:33:18. > :33:20.famous victory. We are working with projections from French TV year.

:33:21. > :33:26.Those projections are showing her a little by Heinz Emmanuel Macron. The

:33:27. > :33:32.worry for the Front National is that it is very hard for them to win

:33:33. > :33:37.transfers from people who voted from other mainstream parties in the

:33:38. > :33:44.first round. That is for the future. They are chanting we are going to

:33:45. > :33:50.win. They are waiting for their heroine. They believe that this is

:33:51. > :33:54.an enormous political achievement for the National front, something of

:33:55. > :33:58.another breakthrough moment for that party. That is how it looks from

:33:59. > :34:04.here. The second time that they have got through to the second round

:34:05. > :34:08.since 2002 cents Jean-Marie Le Pen took them into the second rounds.

:34:09. > :34:14.For her, is this vindication of the way she has taken the party and

:34:15. > :34:21.moulded it in her image? Yes, National Front supporters... She has

:34:22. > :34:26.done a lot to make the party feel a little closer to the centre, not

:34:27. > :34:31.very much but a little. She would have done something in the eyes of

:34:32. > :34:37.political scientists to detoxify the party. The problem for Marine Le Pen

:34:38. > :34:40.is that she would say France has changed, political critics would say

:34:41. > :34:44.that she has changed. That mountain to climb is obvious from what

:34:45. > :34:48.happened to her father in the second round of that election when the

:34:49. > :34:56.Front National made it three in the past. He got less than 20% of the

:34:57. > :34:59.second-round vote as there was an enormous rallying of voters from the

:35:00. > :35:04.left and right to keep out the National Front. That is their

:35:05. > :35:07.problem. That is how the French mainstream will play the second

:35:08. > :35:13.round if it is proved to be the case, as we believe, the 20th macro

:35:14. > :35:17.will make it. The pollution on the other side will be to get behind the

:35:18. > :35:21.other candidate to keep her out. That is a problem that none really

:35:22. > :35:29.of the other first-round candidates would have faced. The fascination in

:35:30. > :35:33.the weeks to come is what she tries to do about it. That is the only

:35:34. > :35:40.path to winning and that is a very difficult one. Kevan, stay with us.

:35:41. > :35:46.We are going to go to James Reynolds who is at the Emmanuel Macron HQ. I

:35:47. > :35:49.imagine they are pleased to see that they are at least through to the

:35:50. > :35:59.second round, if not eating Marine Le Pen. I am checking to see if the

:36:00. > :36:03.roof is still on here because there was an almighty cheer five minutes

:36:04. > :36:09.ago when the first projections came up. Everybody started waving their

:36:10. > :36:13.flags. A tremendous amount of noise. The first projection is exactly what

:36:14. > :36:17.they wanted. They wanted to get through to the second round. They

:36:18. > :36:21.believe that Emmanuel Macron will be able to get the votes of the other

:36:22. > :36:25.candidates who may have been knocked out, particularly the left-wing

:36:26. > :36:32.candidates. In a straight fight between Emmanuel Macron and Le Pen,

:36:33. > :36:37.he might get enough votes to become the President of France. This is a

:36:38. > :36:40.first projection, but the singing of the supporters behind me gives you

:36:41. > :36:45.an indication of the kind of mood there is here tonight. As Kevin was

:36:46. > :36:53.saying, they will feel very confident because according to the

:36:54. > :37:01.polling, he wins in the second round quite convincingly. Yes, all the

:37:02. > :37:05.polls have shown in recent months that a matchup between these two

:37:06. > :37:12.candidates, Emmanuel Macron and Le Pen would have Emmanuel Macron

:37:13. > :37:17.winning convincingly. This is the start that they wanted. Bearing in

:37:18. > :37:21.mind that Emmanuel Macron has never won an elected office before. He

:37:22. > :37:26.served two years as an Economy Minister. He started his own party

:37:27. > :37:29.and now he stands on the verge of getting through to the second round

:37:30. > :37:36.of the presidential election and possibly even winning the vote. The

:37:37. > :37:39.French normally collect highly experienced Presidents. It would be

:37:40. > :37:46.a first Emmanuel Macron gets through. Thank you. Let's go to the

:37:47. > :37:55.Francois Fillon HQ. I imagine the mood is very different there. Yes, I

:37:56. > :37:58.clear sense of disappointment here when the results, the first

:37:59. > :38:05.projections, were announced. Only a few supporters were here and it is a

:38:06. > :38:12.very sober mood all evening waiting for the first results to come out.

:38:13. > :38:18.Remember, Francois Fillon got off to a great start in this campaign. A

:38:19. > :38:23.few months ago he was the favourite in this presidential race, then his

:38:24. > :38:29.campaign was hit by allegations of corruption. That is when it all went

:38:30. > :38:33.wrong. The Republican candidate slipped in the polls and that is

:38:34. > :38:39.when Emmanuel Macron and Marine Le Pen took the lead. He wasn't able to

:38:40. > :38:44.come back. There was a hope that he would be able to pull it off, that

:38:45. > :38:49.he would be able to convince undecided voters on voting day that

:38:50. > :38:52.they would be able to cast their ballots for the Republican

:38:53. > :38:58.candidate. It hasn't been this way. I clear sense of disappointment

:38:59. > :39:05.here. They will be looking ahead to the Parliamentary elections, were

:39:06. > :39:09.obviously the big question now will be if Emmanuel Macron or Marine Le

:39:10. > :39:16.Pen is confirmed in the run-off, is how will they govern. Thomas, for

:39:17. > :39:21.the moment, thank you very much. Hugh Schofield has joined us on the

:39:22. > :39:27.balcony. You have been watching this for months. Are you surprised? Not

:39:28. > :39:36.surprised. The pollsters predict this. The polls predicted also that

:39:37. > :39:40.Francois Fillon had not collapsed. I know pollsters have had an awful

:39:41. > :39:44.time of it in the last year, but they were broadly right and they

:39:45. > :39:49.were consistent. I am not that surprised. What is surprisingly in

:39:50. > :39:55.the bigger picture is what it means. The whole political landscape has

:39:56. > :39:58.been torn out. We have neither a socialist or a Republican,

:39:59. > :40:03.representatives of the main blocs in French politics that have structured

:40:04. > :40:10.politics for 60 years, in the final. The next president will not be from

:40:11. > :40:13.one of these two big blocks. We have this independent character, Emmanuel

:40:14. > :40:21.Macron, he is so likely to be the next president. In August when he

:40:22. > :40:24.launched his bid he was asked could be the next president, he said,

:40:25. > :40:29.well, it could be the next president. It did feel like a long

:40:30. > :40:36.shot. I did say he could be, not that it couldn't. The stars have

:40:37. > :40:46.aligned for him they have. The system of the primaries here, what

:40:47. > :40:52.did was forced both parties into their extreme camps. On the right

:40:53. > :40:57.you saw people for Francois Fillon he positioned himself closer to the

:40:58. > :41:04.Front National on identity and hard line on the economy. On the left you

:41:05. > :41:09.saw the same thing again with Benoit Hamon who was on the left of the

:41:10. > :41:16.party. This "Hard for Emmanuel Macron to stroll down. We can go

:41:17. > :41:29.back to the Emmanuel Macron HQ. What is your reaction to the projection

:41:30. > :41:37.that we have had? Can you hear us? Can you hear us? Give us your

:41:38. > :41:48.reaction to the projection you have seen tonight. I feel it is a new

:41:49. > :41:55.history starting for French politics. It is huge. One year ago

:41:56. > :42:01.En Marche was not even here and is it is new pages for French politics.

:42:02. > :42:08.It is a very important day. We feel great responsibility. We have

:42:09. > :42:16.explained that we want to gather progressives together, and that is

:42:17. > :42:20.what we will do. We are very happy because we are first, in front of

:42:21. > :42:26.Marine Le Pen, and it is an important thing for democracy, as

:42:27. > :42:34.well. What kind of France will it be under Emmanuel Macron if he becomes

:42:35. > :42:43.the president? Can you repeat the question? What kind of France would

:42:44. > :42:48.be under Emmanuel Macron? It will be a France, confident about itself. An

:42:49. > :43:00.inclusive France. A chance for everybody. It will be an open

:43:01. > :43:07.France. I am very excited. It is a new leader, and new vision, new

:43:08. > :43:12.ideas, new people around him. It is an important day today, that is what

:43:13. > :43:20.we feel. A few months ago everybody told us it was an impossible bet and

:43:21. > :43:27.look at us tonight! It is huge and we feel the responsibility of that.

:43:28. > :43:33.So what will the priority be overdid next two weeks? This is only the

:43:34. > :43:38.first round, it goes into a run-off with Marine Le Pen a week on Sunday.

:43:39. > :43:42.What will the priorities be? The priority will be to explain our

:43:43. > :43:47.values, gather progressives together. We always say is what

:43:48. > :44:00.matters is value and to agree on the project. We are an movement based on

:44:01. > :44:05.that. We will gather around a France that is not closed, not afraid. That

:44:06. > :44:11.will be the next big focus for us in the next two weeks. I am confident,

:44:12. > :44:19.I believe in my country. What they did tonight is insane. It's awesome!

:44:20. > :44:28.OK, well done to you. Thank you very much. I am just seeing the results

:44:29. > :44:34.here for Benoit Hamon. 7%. Is that the end of the Socialist party? Does

:44:35. > :44:42.it need to rebuild? Will it come back something else? It is the end.

:44:43. > :44:51.It is a terrible blow to the party. It will explode within the next two

:44:52. > :44:58.weeks. It will have to be rebuilt on totally new basis, with probably

:44:59. > :45:06.totally new people. Yes, we see the end of the socialist party as we

:45:07. > :45:11.have known it. Is this the legacy of Francois Hollande, really? It is

:45:12. > :45:19.interesting, the Socialist party has always prided itself of being a

:45:20. > :45:26.party of ideas. On the right, those parties are links to individuals.

:45:27. > :45:35.Going back to the beginnings of the socialist movement... It is all the

:45:36. > :45:40.more painful. Francois Hollande's presidency can only be regarded as a

:45:41. > :45:44.failure as he failed to make the grade for running again. He

:45:45. > :45:50.disqualified himself. The level of dissatisfaction with him was so high

:45:51. > :45:54.that he could not keep it together. The thing that a lot of people say

:45:55. > :46:00.about Francois Hollande is that he is very good at synthesising, like a

:46:01. > :46:06.sticking plaster over this party for a long time, but now that sticking

:46:07. > :46:10.plaster has flown away and these constituent elements can be seen.

:46:11. > :46:12.There have always been warring elements in the socialist party but

:46:13. > :46:19.there is nothing to keep them together. Nobody feels any great

:46:20. > :46:23.loyalty any more. In the past that was loyalty, the same way in Britain

:46:24. > :46:28.and he would have loyalty to the Labour Party, that mattered, it

:46:29. > :46:34.meant something. Now we are going to of teachers and nurses... Not even

:46:35. > :46:37.nurses. There is nothing there. Looking at the pictures from the

:46:38. > :46:41.Emmanuel Macron camp when they when they learned they were top of the

:46:42. > :46:51.pole this evening, look at this. They are waiting for their man. A

:46:52. > :46:56.lot of people will say, is this not really Francois Hollande's man? At

:46:57. > :46:59.former adviser to him, former economic ministers to him. His

:47:00. > :47:04.thinking was in line with the president. It is not beyond the

:47:05. > :47:08.realms to think that Francois Hollande would take you couldn't run

:47:09. > :47:13.as a socialist but mean deformed your own party. Have they been very

:47:14. > :47:17.clever in what they have done? You could say it is a conspiracy theory.

:47:18. > :47:23.There was a division of labour between the father and the son. But

:47:24. > :47:27.it is not that. To a large extent what happens to the Socialist Party

:47:28. > :47:33.in France can't be compared to the Labour Party in Great Britain. And

:47:34. > :47:45.the emergence of Emmanuel Macron is for the first time, probably since

:47:46. > :47:51.1974 and the wind then, a victory of the centre. It is remarkable that in

:47:52. > :47:57.this moment of Euroscepticism, pessimism, in this moment of

:47:58. > :48:04.populism, the French are about to elect a man with just the opposite

:48:05. > :48:11.of that, who incarnates hope, who will fight on the idea of Europe and

:48:12. > :48:18.he is passionately moderate at a time when people go towards the

:48:19. > :48:24.extreme. In the way, the French seem to have been making the exact

:48:25. > :48:29.opposite choice of the Americans are few months ago. Here is a very

:48:30. > :48:39.cultivated man, a man who reads, a man who likes to quote literary

:48:40. > :48:45.figures. Our man he is young and whose passion is moderation and he

:48:46. > :48:54.tries not to object, not to ostracise others. Will he succeed?

:48:55. > :48:58.That is another story. We were equally confident about Hillary

:48:59. > :49:01.Clinton, then we just didn't see what was coming. The populist anger

:49:02. > :49:09.that there was in the country. There is no question she will win. We have

:49:10. > :49:13.polls that are showing that the electorate of Francois Fillon will

:49:14. > :49:21.divide itself into three categories. 30% will go for Emmanuel Macron, 30%

:49:22. > :49:26.will go for Le Pen, 30% may have steam. The majority of the left will

:49:27. > :49:35.go for Emmanuel Macron. Some will abstain. Every other candidate will

:49:36. > :49:39.call for Emmanuel Macron, I imagine. There is still this idea of the

:49:40. > :49:43.Republican vote and even though everything has changed, people still

:49:44. > :49:46.identified themselves up to a point of whether or not they can't

:49:47. > :49:55.countenance the idea of the National Front. People feel viscerally about

:49:56. > :50:01.it. She didn't do that well. She will be good for 5% better than her

:50:02. > :50:07.father did in 2002. I think somewhere, and this is the

:50:08. > :50:10.difference between 2002 and 2015, we may see at the end of the second

:50:11. > :50:16.ballot at the results that the National Front has doubled its

:50:17. > :50:26.representation. The father did a little more than 20, they might get

:50:27. > :50:34.40. These are the pictures when they got news of the result for Marine Le

:50:35. > :50:41.Pen. When you look at the polls, the final result from round one in 2012,

:50:42. > :50:46.she was on 16%. Now she is on 23%. Even if she loses this time, she

:50:47. > :50:51.might say that there is a pattern here and there is huge

:50:52. > :50:54.responsibility on the shoulders, if he becomes president, huge

:50:55. > :50:59.responsibility on the shoulders of Emmanuel Macron or in five years'

:51:00. > :51:04.time it could well be Marine Le Pen. The French are putting in 2017 like

:51:05. > :51:11.the Americans did in 2008. They voted for hope. If Emmanuel Macron

:51:12. > :51:16.does not succeed, in five years the Americans will vote like -- the

:51:17. > :51:24.French will vote like the Americans did in 2016. Now we know roughly

:51:25. > :51:28.what the ship is going to be, but whatever was going to happen in this

:51:29. > :51:35.election there was going to be change. Something was going to be

:51:36. > :51:39.different. I know the right likes to betray Emmanuel Macron as the

:51:40. > :51:46.candidate of continuity, but he is not. There will be an marriage of

:51:47. > :51:56.liberal social ideas of what you might call modern, or consistent

:51:57. > :52:02.with other countries's appeal, and it would be easy. There have always

:52:03. > :52:09.been vested interest against that. These are the latest projections.

:52:10. > :52:17.Based on a partial count showed that Emmanuel Macron is on 24%, Marine Le

:52:18. > :52:23.Pen on 21.8%, so both qualifying for the second round. Again, this is an

:52:24. > :52:28.early projections, still a lot of votes to kind. We had some reaction

:52:29. > :52:32.from Benoit Hamon, the first candidate to come out. He said I

:52:33. > :52:37.feel to avoid the disaster that had been announced months ago. He is

:52:38. > :52:41.encouraging everyone to fight as hard as they can to fight the

:52:42. > :52:46.extreme right and to fight for Emmanuel Macron. He is urging his

:52:47. > :52:52.supporters to go over and support the centrist Emmanuel Macron. Part

:52:53. > :52:59.two expert here, Kevin, give Le Pen no chance in the second round. What

:53:00. > :53:05.do they say their? The political arithmetic is against her, everyone

:53:06. > :53:11.knows that. There will be a tendency of the mainstream voters of left and

:53:12. > :53:14.right to rally against Marine Le Pen and the National Front, to rally

:53:15. > :53:18.against the extreme right. The interesting question for the next

:53:19. > :53:23.two weeks is whether she has some kind of strategy to deal with that.

:53:24. > :53:27.She knows that underlying reality in French politics as well as anybody

:53:28. > :53:30.else. Clearly, all the people you speak to hear shed those doubts

:53:31. > :53:37.about what will happen in the second round, but the doubts are for the

:53:38. > :53:41.days and weeks to come. Tonight here it is about celebrating. They

:53:42. > :53:45.believe this is a breakthrough moment for Marine Le Pen. They are

:53:46. > :53:48.aware what happened the last time the National Front got through to

:53:49. > :53:53.the second round, it lost by Miles, got less than 20% in the second

:53:54. > :53:57.round. They don't think that will happen again. They think she is a

:53:58. > :54:02.more popular second round candidate than her father, so they have faith

:54:03. > :54:06.in her. The reality remains. She will have to think of something

:54:07. > :54:10.pretty special if she is not to suffer the same second round fate as

:54:11. > :54:14.her father did all those years ago. That is what makes French politics

:54:15. > :54:21.fascinating and that is what will make the next two weeks here

:54:22. > :54:27.fascinating. Kevan, we will be back with you through the evening. If you

:54:28. > :54:30.are just joining us, to remind you, we have had the initial projections

:54:31. > :54:36.in the first round of the French election and it is Emmanuel Macron

:54:37. > :54:40.he appears to be out in front. 24% of the vote, head of Marine Le Pen

:54:41. > :54:44.on 21% of the vote. That would mean that the two of them go through to

:54:45. > :54:49.the second round of week on Sunday. We'll bring you plenty more reaction

:54:50. > :55:03.from here in Paris. You're watching BBC News.

:55:04. > :55:07.Whether you like it or not, even the risk of snow

:55:08. > :55:10.In the short term, the weather is quiet, relatively mild,

:55:11. > :55:14.but by the time we get to Monday and Tuesday, some of us could see

:55:15. > :55:22.Most of us will not get snow, we just feel the chill,

:55:23. > :55:28.The satellite picture shows lots of clear weather,

:55:29. > :55:30.scattered fairweather cloud across central and southern areas.

:55:31. > :55:37.Most of the UK will stay dry for the rest of the day.

:55:38. > :55:48.Beautiful end to the day, lovely sunset, the wind is light.

:55:49. > :55:51.We go to the north, the cloud starting to increase

:55:52. > :55:55.across Northern Ireland, spots of rain getting into western

:55:56. > :56:01.Look at the temperature drop in Lerwick.

:56:02. > :56:04.This is a sign of the colder air coming in, and it

:56:05. > :56:10.The cold front is the leading edge of that much-colder Arctic air

:56:11. > :56:13.that will be setting in, and that means some snow

:56:14. > :56:19.To the south, it will still be relatively mild.

:56:20. > :56:33.To the south, a bit of cloud and sunshine,

:56:34. > :56:40.We might need our brollies for a time.

:56:41. > :56:43.To the north, the much-brighter weather.

:56:44. > :56:54.Wintry showers down to low levels across the north of Scotland.

:56:55. > :56:57.Through the course of Monday night into Tuesday, the cold air

:56:58. > :57:05.Wintry showers possible almost anywhere.

:57:06. > :57:07.Especially these western and eastern areas.

:57:08. > :57:13.In the shade, it will feel particularly chilly as we go

:57:14. > :59:19.On Thursday, things warm up just a little.

:59:20. > :59:25.Hello, a warm welcome, welcome back to our special results programme

:59:26. > :59:29.from Paris. I do have a 5-star setting around me. Looking at the

:59:30. > :59:36.sun setting and behind me the sun is lighting up the Champs-Elysees and

:59:37. > :59:41.the Arc de Triomphe. It is a lovely setting. It's been a fascinating

:59:42. > :59:44.evening so far. We've had the early projections in this election. We

:59:45. > :59:49.know Emmanuel Macron is out in front, Marine le Pen not far behind.

:59:50. > :59:53.They look to be, and a moment, the two candidates going through to the

:59:54. > :59:59.second round. Let's get some analysis of that.

:00:00. > :00:05.Tell us the latest projections you have at the moment? The latest

:00:06. > :00:13.estimate puts Emmanuel Macron a little ahead of Marine le Pen. 23%

:00:14. > :00:17.of the voters versus 22% of the voters, so it is close. Is it fair

:00:18. > :00:23.to say there are still a vast amount of votes to be counted, early days?

:00:24. > :00:27.Yes, absolutely. But I think it will be stable in one hour, but it won't

:00:28. > :00:34.change anything on the two finalists. I was standing a Thursday

:00:35. > :00:37.evening, that dreadful event on the Champs-Elysees, we were talking

:00:38. > :00:41.about if it would affect the turnout. What are the early

:00:42. > :00:49.projections for turnout tell us? For today? Yes. We were exactly at the

:00:50. > :00:58.same level that it happened tonight. You projected... It was a turnout at

:00:59. > :01:12.78%. So you can hold your head high! We are really happy. Well done you,

:01:13. > :01:18.a job well done. And of course we've improve the methodology improved it

:01:19. > :01:22.works. 22% abstention rate, that doesn't mean that everybody has

:01:23. > :01:26.voted for the candidates among those that have voted? Some have voted

:01:27. > :01:29.blank, they are allowed to do that? I'm not sure for this first round,

:01:30. > :01:38.but I'm sure for the second one there will be lots of white ballots.

:01:39. > :01:43.So even though we have 78% of people voting, they are not necessarily

:01:44. > :01:50.voting for candidates? Yes, in that case, yes, absolutely. Lots of

:01:51. > :01:52.people are asking for the recognition of white ballots, but

:01:53. > :01:58.they are not counted. That's the reason I asked, it's fascinating. 11

:01:59. > :02:01.candidates, some people say they don't see anyone they want to vote

:02:02. > :02:06.for. They will look at that when the votes are finally counted. It might

:02:07. > :02:09.be that in the second round there are fewer people that are going to

:02:10. > :02:15.vote than in the first round. Absolutely. Some people will say I

:02:16. > :02:23.don't recognise myself in any of the candidates and I abstain. But so far

:02:24. > :02:31.there are three winners tonight. First the pollsters, they were

:02:32. > :02:36.right. Thank you. Everyone said you could see in Great Britain or the

:02:37. > :02:42.United States, there would be a new method of counting... No, classical

:02:43. > :02:46.polling did it. They were right in 2012 as well. Is there something

:02:47. > :02:52.about the way French polls are conducted that is different to

:02:53. > :02:56.Britain or America? I think we really improved the methodology. We

:02:57. > :03:03.didn't change it radically, but we also added some social media, some

:03:04. > :03:10.more columns, triangulation to better analyse the results and to be

:03:11. > :03:18.in a better position. So I think, yes, it works. Some early reactions

:03:19. > :03:21.to give our viewers. The interior minister has been speaking tonight.

:03:22. > :03:26.The presence of the far right candidate in elections 15 years

:03:27. > :03:29.after the shock of April 2002 marks a clear and strong position of all

:03:30. > :03:34.of the Republic. It's the reason I call everyone to vote for Emmanuel

:03:35. > :03:39.Macron. I'm just wondering, if it helps a

:03:40. > :03:42.manual macron that suddenly all the prominent Socialist suddenly come

:03:43. > :03:45.out and say, we are going to vote for Emmanuel Macron and so should

:03:46. > :03:52.use. If they were not to vote for him, that would be a great

:03:53. > :03:56.impediment for Emmanuel Macron. The left, in its great majority vote for

:03:57. > :04:04.Macron and the rights will be divided. And by the end, if we look

:04:05. > :04:09.at the figures, then I say the mathematics look very strongly for

:04:10. > :04:15.Macron. Everybody thought that Marine le Pen would not only come to

:04:16. > :04:24.the second round, but would come first in the first ballot. And it

:04:25. > :04:30.seems not to be the case. I was just making the point to our guests here,

:04:31. > :04:35.if all the Socialists come out and a back a manual macron, I would assume

:04:36. > :04:39.Marine le Pen is going to say, there you are, this is the continuity

:04:40. > :04:44.candidate? I think she will. She will also argue this is a

:04:45. > :04:49.legitimate choice for French people, to vote for her party, so she will

:04:50. > :04:55.argue there is no need for a kind of great mainstream rally to the centre

:04:56. > :04:58.to defeat her. The big question is, has she succeeded in detoxifying

:04:59. > :05:03.this party to the point where other conservatives feel comfortable

:05:04. > :05:06.voting for or mainstream conservatives will feel they also

:05:07. > :05:11.have to join that great rally to the centre and vote for Emmanuel Macron.

:05:12. > :05:16.Because, of course, he would look like a candidate of the left unless

:05:17. > :05:19.he can also attract some right wing votes. The tactics of French

:05:20. > :05:23.politics are pretty clear. In the second round they are both going to

:05:24. > :05:27.have two tack to the centre and argued there are reasons why people

:05:28. > :05:33.should be prepared to support them. That, as we've said, is a much

:05:34. > :05:38.harder argument Marine le Pen make them Emmanuel Macron, but her

:05:39. > :05:42.supporters hope she is a more attractive candidate personally than

:05:43. > :05:46.her father ever was. They hope that France has changed enough to change

:05:47. > :05:50.the rules of the political arithmetic. Most of us who follow

:05:51. > :05:55.French politics would rather doubt that, but that is where her pathway

:05:56. > :05:58.to the second round lies. Arguing that she is not the candidate her

:05:59. > :06:05.father was. The National Front is not the party it was in the old

:06:06. > :06:09.days, and that also France finds itself in changed circumstances, to

:06:10. > :06:12.which she is the answer. I don't necessarily believe French voters

:06:13. > :06:16.are going to buy those arguments, but do expect to hear them, maybe

:06:17. > :06:22.starting tonight when she appears on this podium just behind me, and we

:06:23. > :06:27.are expecting her at any moment. I remember being there a few years ago

:06:28. > :06:30.in a sugar beet factory at close down, the old industry had gone and

:06:31. > :06:34.it had disappeared to other parts of Europe. There was an anti-Europe

:06:35. > :06:39.feeling. I wonder what Marine le Pen's progression into the second

:06:40. > :06:49.round says about the division in France, between urban France and

:06:50. > :06:54.what they call nonurban France. When we come from outside we tend to talk

:06:55. > :06:57.about National Front in terms of its policy on immigration, in terms of

:06:58. > :07:03.its attitudes toward Islam, for example. All of that is valid and

:07:04. > :07:08.interesting. But I was in another part of provincial France last week,

:07:09. > :07:11.Nannes, and a journalist told me he thought there was more the

:07:12. > :07:15.correlation between support for the National Front and a sense that you

:07:16. > :07:19.belong to a kind of forgotten France. Yes, a place where industry

:07:20. > :07:23.has closed down, a place where state services aren't as good as they used

:07:24. > :07:27.to be. The National Front and Marine le Pen in particular will be

:07:28. > :07:30.positioning themselves as the champions of those parts of France

:07:31. > :07:36.which don't feel prosperous, which aren't made prosperous by contact

:07:37. > :07:40.with Europe. We've seen industry collapsing, coal mining has

:07:41. > :07:45.collapsed here in the old North. So there are more votes out there that

:07:46. > :07:51.she will regard as possible votes for her. As I say, the whole

:07:52. > :07:56.question is, to what extent she has changed the image of this party in

:07:57. > :07:59.the minds of French voters. Having a French voters been encouraged to

:08:00. > :08:04.seek the National Front as being different than it used to be in the

:08:05. > :08:08.old days, when Jean-Marie Le Pen was given to talking about the Holocaust

:08:09. > :08:13.and his attitudes on race and immigration were just too strong for

:08:14. > :08:17.ordinary mainstream French voters. Very, very interesting question

:08:18. > :08:21.which also gives you that soap opera quality to French politics. As the

:08:22. > :08:27.daughter succeeded in changing the party that her father created?

:08:28. > :08:30.Kevin, we will come back to you shortly. I know Marine le Pen is

:08:31. > :08:34.going to speak in about ten minutes time. We will go straight back to

:08:35. > :08:38.that when she does. I am reading here that if he is

:08:39. > :08:41.elected as president, Emmanuel Macron would be the youngest

:08:42. > :08:49.resident ever in the Republic, younger than Louis Napoleon

:08:50. > :08:58.Bonaparte, is that right? It depends whether you speak of Bonaparte the

:08:59. > :09:06.first council Napoleon the Emperor of France. Younger than Napoleon but

:09:07. > :09:08.older than Bonaparte. When I was here used to school me about what

:09:09. > :09:16.people thought about their president. You said to me they like

:09:17. > :09:19.someone who is conservative and reserved, they see it as the

:09:20. > :09:23.figurehead of the state and it is the Prime Minister who should be the

:09:24. > :09:27.fall guy. You always used to say to me, look at Francois Fillon, he is

:09:28. > :09:30.more statesman-like than Nicolas Sarkozy and that is why they don't

:09:31. > :09:37.like Nicolas Sarkozy. What are they going to make of a 39-year-old

:09:38. > :09:48.sitting in that position? There an old tradition in France scored

:09:49. > :09:51.Bonaparte is. The tradition to go for the provincial man in

:09:52. > :10:00.exceptional circumstances. I think Macron sees himself, inhibited by

:10:01. > :10:07.this vision of himself as being the saviour of France. He is saving

:10:08. > :10:12.France from popular tourism -- populism, saving Europe from the

:10:13. > :10:18.ghost of populism. Will it work? The task is enormous, but that is, I

:10:19. > :10:21.think, his vision. Maybe in the exercise of power he may be more

:10:22. > :10:27.authoritarian than people would like him to be. I'm always confused by

:10:28. > :10:32.the French. They always say, we want change. All these 11 candidates have

:10:33. > :10:35.one thing in common, the system is broken. But then when a Prime

:10:36. > :10:39.Minister president comes along and says, we are going to change it, out

:10:40. > :10:48.they come to the barricades and they stop it, as they did with Hollande.

:10:49. > :10:51.You've raised an inquest in -- interesting question, the Prime

:10:52. > :10:57.Minister question. I think now we see that there will probably be more

:10:58. > :11:04.than 70% of people that need to reconsider their vote, of course,

:11:05. > :11:09.for the second round. But Macron is in a good position, of course. But

:11:10. > :11:14.then, the most important election now will be the legislative one in

:11:15. > :11:23.June. Because he doesn't have a majority. So who will be chosen for

:11:24. > :11:27.having the role of Prime Minister? I think you will need to choose

:11:28. > :11:31.someone that also balances his qualities, his traits, and also his

:11:32. > :11:39.weaknesses. How is that going to work? It is a fundamental issue that

:11:40. > :11:50.you raise. Is Macron feeling strong enough tonight? Tehran alone? --

:11:51. > :11:55.Tehran alone? Or will he announces ticket for Prime Minister in the

:11:56. > :11:57.coming days? Sorry, we are going to break away because Francois Fillon

:11:58. > :12:13.is speaking. Let's tune into that. TRANSLATION: Citizens, in spite of

:12:14. > :12:18.all my effort, in spite of my determination, I haven't managed to

:12:19. > :12:25.convince you. The obstacle that was thrown in my road were too numerous

:12:26. > :12:30.and too painful. The truth of that election will be written down, but

:12:31. > :12:35.for the moment I take on board my responsibility, and that defeat is

:12:36. > :12:40.mine. It's for me and only for me to bear the weight of that failure. To

:12:41. > :12:46.all of those who voted for me, or those who have been supporting me

:12:47. > :12:50.for four years, with courage, all I can address is a message of

:12:51. > :12:56.friendship and sorrow. I will never forget them, and at the time of the

:12:57. > :13:02.legislative election they will be able to have the voice of the right

:13:03. > :13:06.and the centre. Do not disappear, remain united.

:13:07. > :13:10.Your strength is going to be important and France need it.

:13:11. > :13:16.Meanwhile we have to choose, we have to choose what is preferable for our

:13:17. > :13:22.country. I do not do that with a light heart, but abstention isn't

:13:23. > :13:26.something that belongs to me, particularly when there is an

:13:27. > :13:33.extremist party ready to pounce on power. The National Front, created

:13:34. > :13:40.by Jean-Marie Le Pen, its history is well known. Violent, intolerant,

:13:41. > :13:44.it's economic and social policy would lead our country to failure

:13:45. > :13:53.and also there would be the European chaos with abandoning the euro. So

:13:54. > :13:56.extremism, do trust me, can only produce misfortune and division for

:13:57. > :14:02.France. So there is no other choice but to fight and vote against the

:14:03. > :14:13.extreme right, and therefore I will vote for Emmanuel Macron. I feel

:14:14. > :14:16.that it is my duty to tell you that very honestly, and it's for your

:14:17. > :14:22.conscience now to think about what is the best for your country, but

:14:23. > :14:27.also for your children. My dream for our children, that they should be

:14:28. > :14:32.able to live in a country where they are proud of themselves, where they

:14:33. > :14:38.are not faced with decline, where the promises of our motto is

:14:39. > :14:42.something that becomes the truth. That was my ambition, that was my

:14:43. > :14:46.project, that was my dream. And that dream is something that should be

:14:47. > :14:51.within you. It is for you to find and unite to make it a reality. The

:14:52. > :14:57.future of France, first and foremost, is in your hands. I trust

:14:58. > :15:02.you. I will tell you that I am very proud to be one of you, to be a

:15:03. > :15:06.French person, a French man who loves his country and is going to go

:15:07. > :15:10.on trusting his country. Long live France and long live the Republic.

:15:11. > :15:17.APPLAUSE So, that was Francois Fillon, the

:15:18. > :15:20.former Prime Minister conceding defeat, even though at the moment

:15:21. > :15:23.votes are still being counted. The projections we are showing you,

:15:24. > :15:29.some of them differ. It depends which polling agency they come from

:15:30. > :15:33.but broadly the same, Emmanuel Macron just narrowly ahead of Marine

:15:34. > :15:37.le Pen, who is in second place and Francois Fillon, as you've just

:15:38. > :15:41.think in third place, now conceding defeat. One by one these candidates

:15:42. > :15:46.are urging their supporters to fall behind Emmanuel Macron. That is what

:15:47. > :15:51.Francois Fillon was saying. It is your responsibility, he said. He

:15:52. > :15:54.also, as he was speaking, accepted responsibility for his defeat. There

:15:55. > :15:58.will be a lot of soul-searching within the Republican Party about

:15:59. > :16:02.what happened here. Back in January he was very much the favourite and

:16:03. > :16:05.it was the allegations he was facing that undermined his campaign, and a

:16:06. > :16:10.lot of people in his party felt he should have stood aside.

:16:11. > :16:15.Let's go to the manual macron camp. James Reynolds watching what I

:16:16. > :16:19.imagine is a party? -- Emmanuel Macron camp. It is fascinating, they

:16:20. > :16:23.were watching the Francois Fillon concession speech behind me. He

:16:24. > :16:32.talked about abstention, they looked nervous, then he said he would vote

:16:33. > :16:35.for temps -- Emmanuel Macron. It's astonishing how quickly those

:16:36. > :16:41.endorsements are coming in. It seems going against Marine le Pen is an

:16:42. > :16:45.advantage because he hoovers up quickly the votes for the other

:16:46. > :16:47.candidates. There is believe he is strong

:16:48. > :16:52.favourite to win the second round of the election. Bear in mind it was a

:16:53. > :16:55.risk for him to pitch his campaign in the centre ground, but it turns

:16:56. > :17:02.out he has done much better than many people expected. Have we heard

:17:03. > :17:07.anything from Emmanuel Macron so far? When is he going to speak? I

:17:08. > :17:14.think there's been one line that he's given to the news agency. We do

:17:15. > :17:20.expect him to come to the podium here and speak at some point. Events

:17:21. > :17:23.are moving so quickly, endorsements and concessions are coming so

:17:24. > :17:27.quickly he might not have to wait much longer. There will be huge

:17:28. > :17:30.cheers for him. We have seen people embracing, people saying their

:17:31. > :17:33.strategy has been vindicated, that decision to stand for the centre

:17:34. > :17:36.ground, which in Europe in recent years seems to have been

:17:37. > :17:42.evaporating, appears to have paid off. Sometimes they say about the

:17:43. > :17:47.centre ground, there's nothing in the middle except dead armadillos.

:17:48. > :17:51.Macron might be proving a counter to that point, that it is possible to

:17:52. > :17:54.win an election in Europe from the centre ground.

:17:55. > :17:59.Very interesting point. When he gets the endorsement of the Socialist

:18:00. > :18:03.party, will he welcomes that, do you think? Or does it put him in a

:18:04. > :18:09.sticky position? We have just seen looking at those figures how

:18:10. > :18:12.unpopular Benoit Hamon is. I'm wondering if it really helps if the

:18:13. > :18:17.Socialists come across to support him?

:18:18. > :18:21.I think it probably does, because the Socialists have approached him,

:18:22. > :18:24.he hasn't had to approach the Socialists. That potentially means

:18:25. > :18:27.he doesn't have to change his programme. If he had to go back for

:18:28. > :18:32.support and possibly changes programme, look at rethinking some

:18:33. > :18:36.of his social policies, that might have affected him. What has happened

:18:37. > :18:39.to my, because he is having to face Marine le Pen, the others are coming

:18:40. > :18:43.to him. The centre ground for him appears to be holding. He might pick

:18:44. > :18:47.up the votes without having sacrifice much of his programme.

:18:48. > :18:52.OK, for the moment, thank you. We will come back to you when a manual

:18:53. > :18:57.macron appears. We are joined by human rights and civil liberties

:18:58. > :19:01.activist. Marine le Pen into the second round. There will be many

:19:02. > :19:05.people, particularly in the suburbs of Paris and the cities around the

:19:06. > :19:11.country who will be disappointed to see her in the second round. 11.2

:19:12. > :19:17.million people have voted for her, which is quite worrisome. History

:19:18. > :19:21.will remember all the candidates didn't barter to be first but second

:19:22. > :19:26.behind Marine le Pen. That is worrying that people gave in. Maybe

:19:27. > :19:29.she didn't win because she was better but people gave up and didn't

:19:30. > :19:40.want to fight. Right now the choice is between a fascist party and in

:19:41. > :19:49.manual macron. -- Emmanuel Macron. He tried to be appeasing. There is

:19:50. > :19:53.no point in saying he is evil, if he implements a liberal agenda. Some

:19:54. > :19:59.people warned it would be very tense in the suburbs this evening if she

:20:00. > :20:02.got through to the second round, we will have to watch that. A lot of

:20:03. > :20:06.people when they were interviewed in the campaign said, we don't have an

:20:07. > :20:09.interest in this election. Might they have a greater interest in it

:20:10. > :20:13.because the far right is in the second round? Far right I did have

:20:14. > :20:17.been in power for many years, actually under Francois Hollande

:20:18. > :20:21.many far right ideas were implemented. The last five years

:20:22. > :20:24.especially, when it comes to security and identity politics.

:20:25. > :20:30.People are talking and saying, the far right might be an extreme party,

:20:31. > :20:36.but the right as well as the left agree on many issues. It's more

:20:37. > :20:41.about what's going to come after. First the election and then the

:20:42. > :20:45.Parliamentary election. Emmanuel Macron, it's not clear if he will

:20:46. > :20:50.have a Parliamentary majority to run the country. The second point is we

:20:51. > :20:57.have had left-wing populism versus right-wing populism. This might be a

:20:58. > :21:03.good joke for Jean-Luc Melenchon who might be in a position of strength

:21:04. > :21:10.to destroy the Socialist party. Dominique, is that a worry for you,

:21:11. > :21:15.how the suburbs will react to this? Of course. It is an essential issue.

:21:16. > :21:24.But I would say that Emmanuel Macron, contrary to the Prime

:21:25. > :21:37.Minister in the Netherlands, never went to the right. He was always the

:21:38. > :21:42.candidate of moderation. And I think he can have some kind of majority.

:21:43. > :21:46.Maybe not the traditional majority. Maybe it will be a kind of

:21:47. > :21:53.coalition, in the style more of Germany than in France. You think it

:21:54. > :21:58.was in favour Francois Fillon? After event here on Thursday he turned bit

:21:59. > :22:03.toward security... The mistake for Francois Fillon was not to resign

:22:04. > :22:11.after the beginning of the scandal, because it was really the moment for

:22:12. > :22:13.the Republicans to win. If they had had another candidate, the result

:22:14. > :22:19.might have been completely different. So this was the real

:22:20. > :22:27.mistake of Francois Fillon, but he tried desperately to win. He used

:22:28. > :22:32.some kind of arguments that were not dignified. He will have to come in a

:22:33. > :22:43.way, bear the responsibility for that in the eyes of history. In 2012

:22:44. > :22:46.the migrant population and the inner cities in France had a candidate in

:22:47. > :22:52.Francois Hollande who was promising a lot of things. It was all about

:22:53. > :22:58.jobs, reducing unemployment below 10%, it never happened. Do they just

:22:59. > :23:04.feel there is a string as far back as you can see of broken promises

:23:05. > :23:09.here in France. I just came back from a conference last night in a

:23:10. > :23:15.small suburb. The keyword, the key idea is for once the Socialist party

:23:16. > :23:19.had a candidate that stood against racism. He got boycotted by the

:23:20. > :23:28.Socialist party and they all fled to Emmanuel Macron. Benoit Hamon? Yes.

:23:29. > :23:34.People of my generation on the one before swore to never again vote for

:23:35. > :23:37.the Socialist party. I think his mistake was running for the

:23:38. > :23:46.Socialist party rather than as an independent. The ratings for 5%, if

:23:47. > :23:50.not less than that. Now it might be an opportunity for people actually

:23:51. > :23:51.get more involved into politics, not by joining the parties but by

:23:52. > :24:11.becoming more organised and pushing was asking people who came and we

:24:12. > :24:14.interviewed people who had... Terrorist experts, if part of the

:24:15. > :24:21.problem in fighting terrorism is there is no information coming? The

:24:22. > :24:24.division between urban farms and the division with the police as well is

:24:25. > :24:29.such that they don't get the intelligence they need? Absolutely

:24:30. > :24:35.false. All the organisations have been working with the police. Many

:24:36. > :24:42.activists work with the police and in return get put under house arrest

:24:43. > :24:49.on mere suspicion. There is no Sharon of information between

:24:50. > :24:52.agencies. We haven't defined what is radicalisation question my nobody

:24:53. > :24:57.knows. We know it has to do with terrorism but nothing more than

:24:58. > :25:01.that. The difficulty with this is even our domestic intelligence has

:25:02. > :25:05.been calling on the French government since 2013-14, to

:25:06. > :25:09.actually change its strategy and to act, to work with the communities

:25:10. > :25:16.instead of singling them out. That was not done. There was this

:25:17. > :25:19.one-upmanship on security. The fact we focused on changing the

:25:20. > :25:24.constitution to strip people of their citizenship shows terrorism is

:25:25. > :25:30.not French. I'm sorry, if a person is born and raised in France and

:25:31. > :25:34.commit an act of terror in France, it's a French problem. I'm bound to

:25:35. > :25:38.ours, a couple of tense weeks ahead of us, because there are some

:25:39. > :25:41.theories that the extremists want to get involved in this election and

:25:42. > :25:46.change the tone of the debate, maybe even change the final result. So

:25:47. > :25:52.France will be under some quite tight security in the next two

:25:53. > :25:59.weeks? Yes, of course. They are outside forces that want chaos in

:26:00. > :26:03.France, or that want extreme is to win in France. But I think the

:26:04. > :26:08.French have proven to be more resilient than their adversaries

:26:09. > :26:14.bought, more rational, much more moderate. There was a terrible

:26:15. > :26:21.attack on this avenue a few nights ago, and it had little if no impact

:26:22. > :26:25.on the French election. Thousands of people on the Champs-Elysees this

:26:26. > :26:30.evening. We were just talking about the state of emergency. Has that, do

:26:31. > :26:35.you think, created some of the division in French society over the

:26:36. > :26:41.last two years? I don't think so. I think the majority of the French

:26:42. > :26:50.have accepted the rationales for the state of emergency. They understand

:26:51. > :26:54.it is for their security. France has not become a police state. There

:26:55. > :27:00.were people applauding the policeman on the Champs-Elysees on Friday, on

:27:01. > :27:08.the day after the event. I don't want to paint too rosy a picture is

:27:09. > :27:11.that they are much more complex realities underground. There are

:27:12. > :27:17.things that are not fine when you give too much power to some people,

:27:18. > :27:26.it can go wrong. But on the whole, what you have to realise is that the

:27:27. > :27:31.man who has been playing the card of repentance in Algeria, the man who

:27:32. > :27:38.has been preaching moderation, the man who has been leading optimism,

:27:39. > :27:45.being a beacon of hope in an ocean of despair is number one tonight.

:27:46. > :27:49.And he is very likely to be the next president of France. For all that

:27:50. > :27:54.hope it would be a very brave new president that ended the state of

:27:55. > :27:59.emergency here in France, given the state of the threat France faces. I

:28:00. > :28:09.would have two disagree. The state of emergency caused division, mostly

:28:10. > :28:12.against Muslim families fit. These measures were targeting

:28:13. > :28:19.indiscriminately against Muslims specifically. And people being

:28:20. > :28:24.targeted. Targeting practising Muslims. I do agree with you,

:28:25. > :28:30.nevertheless, extremists speak the same language. When Isis published

:28:31. > :28:35.their paper in February 2015, they called for the impossible, the

:28:36. > :28:37.impossibility of peace between Muslims and non-Muslims. The

:28:38. > :28:43.security measures adopted have failed again and again. We had a

:28:44. > :28:52.Bastille Day attack. Killed police officers. The solution is not more

:28:53. > :28:56.oppression. Fascinating issues. Very much topical at the moment and they

:28:57. > :28:59.will be in the next two weeks. Back to Emmanuel Macron's headquarters.

:29:00. > :29:06.James has a couple of guests with him.

:29:07. > :29:11.Yes, I have a couple of young campaign workers. You worked on the

:29:12. > :29:16.campaign, and you are a Macron voter. What is your reaction

:29:17. > :29:24.tonight? I am really glad he actually made it. We were not sure

:29:25. > :29:30.that he was going to win. We were really believing in his political

:29:31. > :29:37.agenda, the programme he made. We were really believing, but you

:29:38. > :29:41.cannot be certain that it is going to work. Very, very glad. Do you

:29:42. > :29:50.share that? Was this a surprise for you? It is not a surprise. We hoped.

:29:51. > :29:56.He was the leader of the campaign, so I was confident about his victory

:29:57. > :30:01.tonight. His campaign was based on promises, a lot of promises. He's

:30:02. > :30:04.now got to deliver promises to win the second round. You're going to

:30:05. > :30:10.have to answer some serious questions from Socialist party

:30:11. > :30:16.voters,? That is what's best about Emmanuel Macron, that he chose to be

:30:17. > :30:22.not with the Republicans or not with the Socialists. He said all along

:30:23. > :30:26.the campaign he would take the best areas from one and another.

:30:27. > :30:34.Actually, it's best, because it is absolutely new. You can always stay

:30:35. > :30:40.in this huge gap between left and right. He chooses to be able

:30:41. > :30:46.progressive and that can go with left and right.

:30:47. > :30:56.He is only 39 years old, this is his first election, is France taking a

:30:57. > :31:03.giant risk? I don't think so. We had a young President. He was 48? Yes.

:31:04. > :31:09.In my opinion, he was a great President so I don't think his age

:31:10. > :31:21.is a problem for France. I think he is young so it's a value. We can

:31:22. > :31:27.have... Search for the words! You will look forward to the second

:31:28. > :31:31.round. We are all now waiting for the candidate to appear on stage.

:31:32. > :31:35.The roof nearly lifted off this place a while back when he first

:31:36. > :31:38.projections were announced and there has been repeated cheering when a

:31:39. > :31:44.defeated candidate comes on and suggests they are about to endorse

:31:45. > :31:49.Emmanuel Macron. Thank you, James. Interesting CND

:31:50. > :31:55.supporters, very young supporters. They will be out campaigning for him

:31:56. > :32:03.over the next couple of weeks. -- interesting seeing his supporters.

:32:04. > :32:08.If you are just joining us, at the top of the projections at the

:32:09. > :32:22.moment, Emmanuel Macron of the centrist on March movement. Followed

:32:23. > :32:29.by Marine Le Pen. We are expecting to hear from Jean-Luc Melenchon and

:32:30. > :32:33.also from Marine Le Pen. Let's go to the Pas-de-Calais region in the

:32:34. > :32:38.north of the country. You are still waiting for Marine Le Pen, what is

:32:39. > :32:42.the reaction from the party? The party is delighted. I've been

:32:43. > :32:48.speaking to the headquarters senior figures who say this is a clear

:32:49. > :32:51.victory. For Marine Le Pen's vision of France and France in Europe and

:32:52. > :32:55.they have a lot of confidence going into the second round. Of course

:32:56. > :32:58.they have to say that, everyone knows they have an electoral

:32:59. > :33:02.mountain to climb because of the way in which centrist voters and those

:33:03. > :33:07.from right and left are encouraged to rally against the National Front.

:33:08. > :33:16.She said she has a strategy to deal with that. The room has gone a

:33:17. > :33:20.little quiet, sometimes that means people have been told Marine Le Pen

:33:21. > :33:24.is on her way in. We have been watching the other candidates

:33:25. > :33:30.conceding defeat and booing when there are calls from people like

:33:31. > :33:35.Francois Fillon for his supporters to rally against Marine Le Pen in

:33:36. > :33:38.the second round. The people in the National Front know that when they

:33:39. > :33:42.went into the second round before, it went badly for them. They believe

:33:43. > :33:46.France has changed since then and so are the party and they believe

:33:47. > :33:51.Marine Le Pen is a much better candidate than her father was. All

:33:52. > :33:55.of that will be put to the test in the next couple of weeks. This is a

:33:56. > :34:02.very important speech for Marine Le Pen I think. She knows, as her

:34:03. > :34:05.supporters know, that that process where defeated candidates from right

:34:06. > :34:08.and left stuck to call on their supporters to vote against her, to

:34:09. > :34:13.rally against her, to keep the National Front out, that process

:34:14. > :34:17.started almost the moment the polls closed in France this evening. We

:34:18. > :34:21.would expect her to have some con of answer, I would think, to those

:34:22. > :34:26.defeated candidates and some kind of appeal to those who supported those

:34:27. > :34:30.defeated candidates so a very important speech. The first round of

:34:31. > :34:34.the election is not really over yet. We are working with projections and

:34:35. > :34:38.they are still counting in the background all over France. The

:34:39. > :34:41.second round of the selection, make no mistake, is already underway and

:34:42. > :34:47.what Marine Le Pen has to say tonight will be a crucial first blow

:34:48. > :34:52.in that second round of campaigning. We will come back to you, Kevin,

:34:53. > :34:57.when Marine Le Pen speaks. You will have seen on your screens the

:34:58. > :35:02.polling from the Kantar polling agency. You might see other results

:35:03. > :35:05.on screen from time to time. There are other projections but they are

:35:06. > :35:08.pretty much the same and as Kevin said, the interesting thing is that

:35:09. > :35:13.the other candidates have already conceded. We have had a speech from

:35:14. > :35:18.Francois Fillon, urging his supporters to back Emmanuel Macron.

:35:19. > :35:24.Benoit Hamon has also spoken and we are waiting to hear from the hard

:35:25. > :35:31.left candidate Jean-Luc Melenchon. The well-known French journalist and

:35:32. > :35:36.broadcaster Christine has joined us. Tell us a little bit about your

:35:37. > :35:41.feeling of the first round, is it what you expected? First of all,

:35:42. > :35:46.it's a political earthquake in this country. The two major political

:35:47. > :35:51.parties who have really ruled the country for 50 years are out.

:35:52. > :35:56.Collapsed, dead. The Socialist party is dead and so was the Conservative

:35:57. > :36:01.Party. You will have bloodshed starting tomorrow morning if not

:36:02. > :36:10.tonight because obviously, all the leaders, they are all calling to

:36:11. > :36:17.support Macron now and they will decide how to get there. I have to

:36:18. > :36:20.interrupted you. It is Marine Le Pen, she is at their headquarters in

:36:21. > :36:23.Henin-Beaumont in the north of the country in the Pas-de-Calais region.

:36:24. > :36:39.Let's listen in. TRANSLATION: Fellow citizens, you

:36:40. > :36:44.have projected me into the second round of the presidential election.

:36:45. > :36:49.And I'm aware of the honour you are giving me. And I'm humble and

:36:50. > :36:57.grateful. I would like to express to you French patriots, how grateful I

:36:58. > :37:05.am. The first step which should lead France to the future is already

:37:06. > :37:11.covered. It's an historical result and it's for me to take on board the

:37:12. > :37:16.enormous responsibility of defending France, being responsible for its

:37:17. > :37:21.culture, its prosperity, and independence and its security. And

:37:22. > :37:28.it's something to do with French pride, a country that raises its

:37:29. > :37:32.head, is surer of its values and trusts into the future. I'm sure

:37:33. > :37:36.absolutely every French person has been aware of the fact that the

:37:37. > :37:41.system tried through every possible means, to stifle the big political

:37:42. > :37:49.debate, that the election should have been but that big debate is

:37:50. > :37:54.going to take place at long last. French people have to take on board

:37:55. > :38:03.that historical challenge because the challenge of that election is

:38:04. > :38:10.wild globalisation which attacks our very society. Either we carry on to

:38:11. > :38:15.total deregulation without any borders or protection and the

:38:16. > :38:20.consequences that entails, with international unfair competition,

:38:21. > :38:24.mass immigration, the free trade and the free circulation of terrorists,

:38:25. > :38:30.or you choose the France with borders that are going to protect

:38:31. > :38:34.our employment and our national identity. So you have two choices

:38:35. > :38:39.and that's the real alternate. The real one, not the one where

:38:40. > :38:42.government merely changes without nothing serious ever-changing. What

:38:43. > :38:49.I'm suggesting is that we should aim for the real alternatives, which

:38:50. > :38:54.will put in place a new type of politics, new faces and a real

:38:55. > :39:00.renewal. It is not with the air of Francois Hollande and all the

:39:01. > :39:04.failure, this catastrophic five years was that alternative is ever

:39:05. > :39:06.going to come. The time has come to free the French population and the

:39:07. > :39:13.whole of the French population without forgetting friends overseas

:39:14. > :39:17.that trusted me and I'm very proud of the confidence they manifested

:39:18. > :39:22.towards me. The time has come to get rid of all the arrogant people who

:39:23. > :39:28.want to dictate to the population what they should do. I am the

:39:29. > :39:33.candidate for the people. And it's an appeal to all the sincere

:39:34. > :39:37.patriots, whether they come -- wherever they come from and whatever

:39:38. > :39:43.their origin and whoever they voted for in the first round, I invite

:39:44. > :39:46.them all to join us and abandon old-fashioned quarrels and

:39:47. > :39:54.concentrate on what is the superior interest of our country. That was

:39:55. > :39:59.really essential. That's what will ensure the survival of France. I

:40:00. > :40:09.call upon you to unite behind our project of renewal and there will be

:40:10. > :40:19.our brothers. In the 8th of August 1943, Charles de Gaulle reminded us

:40:20. > :40:23.of the grandeur of people and there have been 1500 years of the past

:40:24. > :40:31.behind France and that's the principle and going to implement.

:40:32. > :40:35.Gathering together of what all the French dream of, it can only happen

:40:36. > :40:38.through France, long live the Republic, long live France and long

:40:39. > :40:47.live the population and the people of France. CHANTING

:40:48. > :40:53.There we are, a beaming Marine Le Pen amid the tricolore is at her

:40:54. > :40:57.headquarters at Henin-Beaumont. Through to the second round of that

:40:58. > :41:02.vote, trailing Emmanuel Macron, a huge battle ahead of them if they

:41:03. > :41:07.are to take the Elysee Palace. Let's get the thoughts of Christian who is

:41:08. > :41:13.with us. I cut you off in your prime. What we heard from Narine,

:41:14. > :41:16.pretty predictable, about borders and national identity, she is the

:41:17. > :41:21.real alternative. That's what we will hear plenty of in the next two

:41:22. > :41:29.weeks. Indeed and Le Front National also been due faith Emmanuel Macron

:41:30. > :41:39.because he is the caricature of the system. I'm sure there would have

:41:40. > :41:49.feared much more, having to face either Fillon or Melenchon because

:41:50. > :41:55.Ben -- Benoit Hamon's candidate never really sprang up. It will be a

:41:56. > :42:01.predictable fight in the next two weeks. Emmanuel Macron has already

:42:02. > :42:11.got the support of all the leaders of the system, be they socialist or

:42:12. > :42:15.Conservative will of course amuse many voters of traditional families

:42:16. > :42:23.and they will follow that advice and vote for him. Again, there will be

:42:24. > :42:31.many people who say, I will not go for the Republican upsurge that we

:42:32. > :42:35.saw in 2002 when Jacques Chirac lost 82% of the vote. I don't think

:42:36. > :42:45.that'll happen this time around. I don't it will be as high. But still,

:42:46. > :42:49.I think Le Front National is a very tough fight ahead, even if and

:42:50. > :43:00.that's a remarkable achievement of Marine Le Pen's side, I must say,

:43:01. > :43:04.their ideas, the themes will really remain in the national debate and

:43:05. > :43:08.that's very much her doing. I will come back to you but let's get a

:43:09. > :43:13.word from Kevin Connolly who was there at the HQ of Marine Le Pen in

:43:14. > :43:17.Henin-Beaumont. You are watching these scenes, I know it is very

:43:18. > :43:22.loud. Christine was saying, this will now be a battle and she will

:43:23. > :43:28.try to cast it as a battle between her party and the establishment.

:43:29. > :43:32.That's exactly right. She talked about this system being against her.

:43:33. > :43:36.We have spoken to a senior figure in the National Front and they say the

:43:37. > :43:41.entire French mainstream media is running against them. We got a

:43:42. > :43:47.little taster of the campaign to come. The National Front, she

:43:48. > :43:50.touched on immigration but also on globalisation, uncontrolled and

:43:51. > :43:55.unfettered globalisation. The threat to the French way of life. She

:43:56. > :43:59.invited all French people to rally behind the National Front because

:44:00. > :44:03.her messages going to be that this is not about being extreme right any

:44:04. > :44:08.more, it's about being patriotic and standing up to the European Union,

:44:09. > :44:12.standing up against globalisation, concerns lots of French voters have

:44:13. > :44:17.and she's trying to tap into that. Marine Le Pen sending a signal that

:44:18. > :44:20.she is a candidate that all French people should be comfortable

:44:21. > :44:27.rallying behind. Will that message resonate? There is overwhelming

:44:28. > :44:30.opposition from the defeated candidates calling to support

:44:31. > :44:36.Emmanuel Macron. Marine Le Pen has made a pretty good start in front of

:44:37. > :44:39.a sympathetic audience here in Henin-Beaumont and we wait to find

:44:40. > :44:48.out to what extent her answers and words resonate in France on a wider

:44:49. > :44:52.scale. You say the system is against her here but she has had some quite

:44:53. > :45:01.high profile backing from President Putin of Russia and also from Donald

:45:02. > :45:05.Trump in America as well. She has. She represents to some extent I

:45:06. > :45:11.suppose, an antiestablishment impulse which we have seen abroad

:45:12. > :45:15.elsewhere in global politics and in what is now still a deafening room,

:45:16. > :45:22.a senior representative of the National Front, I will ask you to

:45:23. > :45:26.introduce yourself and we will talk about what this means for the party

:45:27. > :45:33.and for France and what Marine Le Pen's chances are in the second

:45:34. > :45:41.round. I am a member of the strategy and a joint Marine Le Pen two years

:45:42. > :45:45.ago for the presidency bid. You used to be an MP for another French

:45:46. > :45:50.Conservative Party and you saw nothing toxic about the National

:45:51. > :45:53.Front, to use that word, you think it's a party that other French

:45:54. > :46:00.voters who support other parties can get behind question I believe so, if

:46:01. > :46:04.I joined Marine Le Pen and if many people will vote for her, it's

:46:05. > :46:10.because the one expressing a very strong project for France based on

:46:11. > :46:13.two key elements, one is identity and the other is sovereignty. She

:46:14. > :46:17.wants and she believes France has a great future to offer French

:46:18. > :46:24.citizens and I am very happy the outcome of the election is going to

:46:25. > :46:29.be a run between Macron and Marine Le Pen as Macron has a completely

:46:30. > :46:34.different view of the future for France. He does not believe France

:46:35. > :46:37.has a future, he wants to dissolve front inside the European Union. He

:46:38. > :46:41.doesn't believe in our identity. He even said France doesn't have any

:46:42. > :46:46.culture. He believes more migrants should come into France. Marine Le

:46:47. > :46:51.Pen stands for a very different project. She believes very clearly

:46:52. > :46:54.and simply that France has a future, but we can rebuild our identity and

:46:55. > :46:59.that we can rebuild the nation together without having to ask

:47:00. > :47:03.Brussels what they want us to do. Using the system and media is

:47:04. > :47:08.against her. All the other candidates are against air. She has

:47:09. > :47:12.a mountain to climb, can she win? The first round was already a

:47:13. > :47:17.mountain. The entire media system is owned by people backing our

:47:18. > :47:22.adversary Emmanuel Macron, so the first run was already made for her

:47:23. > :47:25.to trip and she did not trip so now people who voted for Francois Fillon

:47:26. > :47:28.they voted for him because they believed he was talking about

:47:29. > :47:31.France. We don't think he was being honest and I think a lot of people

:47:32. > :47:36.joined us in the first round straightaway. People who believed

:47:37. > :47:39.Francois Fillon were not talking about France are going to join us

:47:40. > :47:44.because we are the only ones talking about France. The National Front

:47:45. > :47:49.suffered a disaster a couple of years ago, will it be different next

:47:50. > :47:55.time? First of all I am not part of Le Front National, I joined Marine

:47:56. > :48:02.Le Pen and an assembly of people that believe France can offer is

:48:03. > :48:06.future to the French people. I am very optimistic because of the

:48:07. > :48:11.clarity of the debate. Thank you. We will speak to you in the second

:48:12. > :48:15.round I hope. That is the mood here at the National Front gathering in

:48:16. > :48:20.Henin-Beaumont. There is confidence they can get that message across

:48:21. > :48:25.that Marine Le Pen has detoxified the National Front, it's a safe

:48:26. > :48:30.party for the mainstream to vote. Of course they would. She has two weeks

:48:31. > :48:34.to make that argument on a wider French stage. Lots of worries and

:48:35. > :48:40.outs for the party because they know Emmanuel Macron is a very strong

:48:41. > :48:44.favourite candidate in the second round but tonight is a night to

:48:45. > :48:48.celebrate and tomorrow will be when the strategising and the doubts and

:48:49. > :48:53.worries become more serious. An earthquake of noise greeted Marine

:48:54. > :48:57.Le Pen's speech. The question we are waiting for now is to what extent

:48:58. > :49:01.that speech resonated with other French voters listening at home on

:49:02. > :49:06.TV. It will certainly resonate with her supporters. But it may well

:49:07. > :49:13.divide other parts of France. I want to show you some pictures we are

:49:14. > :49:16.getting in from Bastille in the centre of Paris and these are

:49:17. > :49:22.clashes between supporters of Emmanuel Macron and those of Marine

:49:23. > :49:26.Le Pen. It tends to be a focus in Paris for demonstrations. You can

:49:27. > :49:31.see the riot police involved and some fairly ugly scenes. There were

:49:32. > :49:35.fears this might happen if Marine Le Pen got into the second round and

:49:36. > :49:39.clearly some people very angry that she has managed to defeat some of

:49:40. > :49:47.the more traditional parties to get through to the next part of the

:49:48. > :49:51.vote. It kind of followers, Christine, that over the next few

:49:52. > :49:55.weeks with her in the second round, it is not only seems like this

:49:56. > :49:58.concerning people but also, we're bound to focus on the terrorism.

:49:59. > :50:05.There are some that want to change the tone of the debate and even the

:50:06. > :50:09.results possibly. Of course, I'm not sure if these are actually

:50:10. > :50:15.supporters of either side fighting. You also have people who always take

:50:16. > :50:18.the opportunity to have a good fight and break a few windows

:50:19. > :50:25.unfortunately, in that part of town. That being said, yes, let's not

:50:26. > :50:30.forget that here, we have been living in this country for the past

:50:31. > :50:35.16 months and the state of emergency. Although people have

:50:36. > :50:41.shown extraordinary resilience in going about their lives as usual,

:50:42. > :50:48.this is going to be of course, it will add again to the tension

:50:49. > :50:57.between these two candidates for the two weeks to come. Marine Le Pen was

:50:58. > :51:00.actually the only candidate it seems, who took advantage of the

:51:01. > :51:06.last attack here in the Chavancy lycee last Thursday night. Her

:51:07. > :51:16.ratings went up one point at the time.

:51:17. > :51:22.Those scenes will worry you because the focus will be on the suburbs of

:51:23. > :51:32.Paris as well. Kevin was saying that the message about immigration and

:51:33. > :51:35.closing the borders against the open facing Emmanuel Macron, that is the

:51:36. > :51:38.message we will get over the next few weeks. What sort of reaction are

:51:39. > :51:43.we likely to get from migrant populations in France? They spoke

:51:44. > :51:47.about the clash is happening in the centre of Paris, not the suburbs. We

:51:48. > :51:58.haven't seen that many immigrants getting into those clashes. This

:51:59. > :52:06.shows French society, the choices being imposed by no, it's the hope

:52:07. > :52:14.of big corporations, a type of economy and identity politics. Now

:52:15. > :52:18.the question to be answered is how long this system will go on because

:52:19. > :52:26.of his anti-corruption scandals, of the election, the current scores of

:52:27. > :52:32.Macron and Le Pen, tell us that at the end of the fifth Republic, the

:52:33. > :52:36.Socialist party and its message, Le changement, c'est maintenant, the

:52:37. > :52:47.question is how long can this party state up and running? What do you

:52:48. > :52:51.want to here from Emmanuel Macron that is different to what we have

:52:52. > :52:54.heard so far in the campaign? We grew up with people making promises

:52:55. > :52:58.and breaking them after every election. The reason why I don't

:52:59. > :53:03.believe anything today is because we have had an example with Francois

:53:04. > :53:06.Hollande who was elected on the left-wing programme and applied

:53:07. > :53:10.right-wing to some extent, a far right programme when it comes to

:53:11. > :53:14.identity and security holidays so regardless of what Emmanuel Macron

:53:15. > :53:19.says, nothing will oblige him to actually bring about positive

:53:20. > :53:24.change. But what he can do is actually implement a new system and

:53:25. > :53:29.work with everybody in this country to give some more counter powers and

:53:30. > :53:34.more checks and balances for the average citizens and to hold into

:53:35. > :53:40.account. He has a lot of responsibility on his shoulders.

:53:41. > :53:44.Indeed and he will have to be very contradictory and meet contradictory

:53:45. > :53:50.expectations. Unemployment is very high in the country, especially

:53:51. > :53:55.among young people. Many people feel excluded of the decision-making

:53:56. > :54:00.system. Emmanuel Macron has promised as he has no political party, he has

:54:01. > :54:06.actually promised that for the parliamentary elections which will

:54:07. > :54:14.follow next June, he will have candidates from what we called

:54:15. > :54:22.nonprofessional society. People who would try to get elected -- for the

:54:23. > :54:26.first time. How will these people be elected? How will that balance with

:54:27. > :54:33.all the former Socialist MPs, Conservative MPs, rallying, starting

:54:34. > :54:39.tonight. It will be a very difficult exercise. In political terms and

:54:40. > :54:43.even more so in social terms. We are watching pictures from Mr Macron's

:54:44. > :54:49.HQ and we will go to that when he appears. They are expecting him to

:54:50. > :54:53.come out and speak any second. As Christine says, there may be

:54:54. > :54:57.conflicting messages from Mr Macron. He is useful and has the support of

:54:58. > :55:02.young people and talks about En Marche, let's get France going

:55:03. > :55:06.again. At the same time, you would expect he would keep the state of

:55:07. > :55:09.emergency in place, he will want to control immigration so you doesn't

:55:10. > :55:15.upset the right wing of his party. How will the balance those

:55:16. > :55:20.conflicting interests. If it is vague, it is definitely fake. Macron

:55:21. > :55:24.has been swinging between here and there and trying to please as many

:55:25. > :55:28.people as possible but the time crunch will be under until the

:55:29. > :55:31.legislative election. Maybe he will make sure you will be rushing to

:55:32. > :55:38.have as many candidates as possible without due process and without

:55:39. > :55:44.selecting the most competent ones. Many Socialist candidates began to

:55:45. > :55:48.rally before the election. The message is sent to the people of

:55:49. > :55:55.what you would call the suburbs or of ethnic background, when the only

:55:56. > :56:00.spokesperson of minority background and a Muslim person was put under

:56:01. > :56:05.pressure by the far right, the immediately dismissed him in a few

:56:06. > :56:08.hours, just not to resist the cause of the far right because that person

:56:09. > :56:14.actually shared messages about this and that organisation. Does this

:56:15. > :56:23.represent some of the frustration there is for mainstream politicians?

:56:24. > :56:33.I don't share your pessimism. I think the fact that voters have gone

:56:34. > :56:41.to vote, even if the abstention rate remains as usual, around 20%, there

:56:42. > :56:46.is indeed an appetite for change in this country and that is

:56:47. > :56:52.paradoxically, what the two winners show. And they are diametrically

:56:53. > :57:00.opposed. But it shows that in the democracy in this country is indeed

:57:01. > :57:03.very vibrant and very vivacious and people go for it. And again, just

:57:04. > :57:08.think of the French, always depicting themselves about being so

:57:09. > :57:15.depressed and so morose, consuming so much medicine to be in a better

:57:16. > :57:23.mood. These people have gone to vote. But he is right, his campaign

:57:24. > :57:29.or his policies have been vague. Marine Le Pen made this point in one

:57:30. > :57:33.of the TV debates and he said -- she said what he said was waffle and she

:57:34. > :57:40.didn't know what Macron stood for. There will be other people who agree

:57:41. > :57:45.in the country. Yes. He has his coming two weeks. He has been very

:57:46. > :57:52.vague. It has worked for him, hasn't it? So now, indeed, there will be a

:57:53. > :57:58.lot of pressure requesting him to be more precise about his programme.

:57:59. > :58:02.Although his economic programme is pretty precise, especially

:58:03. > :58:07.concerning taxes. But of course, the French, our politics always goes

:58:08. > :58:12.through a lot of words. We love words. That's what our culture is

:58:13. > :58:17.about. So we expect Macron indeed to be much more vocal and much more

:58:18. > :58:27.engaging and indeed much more precise in what he will offer to

:58:28. > :58:33.oppose Marine Le Pen. He is nothing if not contrary, Jean-Luc Melenchon,

:58:34. > :58:37.he is the only one we have not seen from this evening and he is refusing

:58:38. > :58:42.to concede at this moment. He says he will refuse to allocate a score

:58:43. > :58:47.based on polls and the big city results are yet unknown so I call

:58:48. > :58:50.everyone to be cautious. In the projections we have seen, he is neck

:58:51. > :58:54.and neck with Francois Fillon in third place so he would have to make

:58:55. > :58:59.up quite a lot to get into the second round. But we will keep an

:59:00. > :59:04.eye on. There are no incentives for Macron to be more vocal because

:59:05. > :59:08.people would be voting not for him but actually against Marine Le Pen.

:59:09. > :59:12.Just as they did for Francois Hollande and against Nicolas

:59:13. > :59:15.Sarkozy. We have seen in elections that voting for the lesser of two

:59:16. > :59:21.evils does not bring about positive change. The problem now is that we

:59:22. > :59:28.also have to look beyond the elections and to get out of this, in

:59:29. > :59:32.quotation marks, that everything will be solved during elections. We

:59:33. > :59:39.need to look at the bigger picture at our institutional favouritism.

:59:40. > :59:43.Right now the fact you vote for someone does not guarantee that

:59:44. > :59:46.anything will change. That is a good point because looking at Emmanuel

:59:47. > :59:53.Macron, trying to paint him as an outsider, but he's not. He comes

:59:54. > :00:00.from where all the politicians come from. He knows how the state machine

:00:01. > :00:03.works. You could look at it another way and say he is one of the same as

:00:04. > :00:06.all the rest. Where are the political candidates from civil

:00:07. > :00:14.society? That is what he is supposed to bring

:00:15. > :00:21.about for the Parliamentary elections. Let's see if he keeps

:00:22. > :00:30.that promise. That was one of the appealing argument he expressed at

:00:31. > :00:33.the beginning. He said, we are all tired of the usual crowds. And so I

:00:34. > :00:38.promise, said Macron. We will see whether he keeps to his word. He

:00:39. > :00:44.said, I will bring about new people to Parliament. He also wants, which

:00:45. > :00:48.would go in your way, to put down the number of Parliament receipts.

:00:49. > :00:55.You'd think there are too many. He also wants to introduce a proportion

:00:56. > :01:02.of proportional vote. We have a system here which, as opposed to a

:01:03. > :01:06.British one, is a two round majority vote which always favours the large

:01:07. > :01:13.political parties and eliminates the smaller ones. Would you welcome

:01:14. > :01:17.that? If France moves towards a more proportional representation system,

:01:18. > :01:22.it would open the door to smaller parties and move politics away from

:01:23. > :01:28.a two party system. They are dead anyway. I stopped believing in

:01:29. > :01:33.promises a long time ago. This is interesting. You have said that

:01:34. > :01:37.several times. You are so disgusted with French politics. I come from a

:01:38. > :01:44.generation of French people who grew up being lied to. At an age when you

:01:45. > :01:50.vote, it does not work. In 2002, I will never forget that day. Four

:01:51. > :01:55.years after the winning of the World Cup, the so-called black Arab and

:01:56. > :01:59.white national team, in the second round of the election that we had a

:02:00. > :02:03.series of actual disappointments. Today the question is not about

:02:04. > :02:12.expecting the best but it is for us to expect the best. But prepare for

:02:13. > :02:19.the worst. Why don't you run for parliament? That would be most

:02:20. > :02:25.interesting. If I am alone against 700... Why would you be alone? You

:02:26. > :02:32.would be an example for other people will stop it is all too easy...

:02:33. > :02:37.Actually I work actively. I think change will come from civil society.

:02:38. > :02:42.I am about influencing those in power for the rest of us. We are

:02:43. > :02:51.looking at the projections as they stand. It really reflects on what

:02:52. > :02:55.you are saying. There are plenty of young people who feel so despondent.

:02:56. > :03:01.The worrying thing is when you look at Marine Le Pen, when you look at

:03:02. > :03:07.her numbers, it is paradoxically different to the way the UK is

:03:08. > :03:10.structured. Young people are voting against Europe, against

:03:11. > :03:14.globalisation, against the establishment. In Britain,

:03:15. > :03:19.conversely, it is the older people who are voting for that. Especially

:03:20. > :03:25.in France, it depends on the level of education. That is the sad

:03:26. > :03:31.phenomenon. Young people with lower education, who cannot find a job,

:03:32. > :03:37.who are really angry they go for Marine Le Pen. That is obvious. In

:03:38. > :03:44.no European countries, the dividing line between what can be called the

:03:45. > :03:50.populist appeal and the more classical approach. It has been

:03:51. > :03:54.great to get your thoughts. We have enjoyed your company. A very

:03:55. > :04:01.different perspective. That's cross over to Nice, the scene of the

:04:02. > :04:06.dreadful terror attacks last year. You have been talking to lots of

:04:07. > :04:11.people today. What is the reaction to the result as it stands? These

:04:12. > :04:15.are two people that many young people have spoken to me about. This

:04:16. > :04:21.link to your guests, it was interesting talking about young

:04:22. > :04:25.people. 25% are unemployed. That figure came up. They are talking

:04:26. > :04:30.about who might be the best person to help them get out of that when it

:04:31. > :04:35.comes to their economy. The other part, of course, you mentioned

:04:36. > :04:41.bastille day, 2016. Not too far from where I am speaking, that terror

:04:42. > :04:45.attack took place. 86 people were killed and hundreds injured. There

:04:46. > :04:50.were other attacks around the country. With the security that has

:04:51. > :04:58.been part of the election day and part of the city since the state of

:04:59. > :05:04.emergency was installed in 2015. People are talking about that. Some

:05:05. > :05:09.of them, it is a stronghold for Marine Le Pen in some ways and her

:05:10. > :05:15.father before her. They talk about security in some of them to link it

:05:16. > :05:19.to immigration. They feel it is to open. The border to Italy is 35

:05:20. > :05:26.calamities away from where I'm speaking to you. We have had very

:05:27. > :05:30.vibrant debates. The other part is the European Union. A very clear

:05:31. > :05:37.choice when it comes to voters. If they are voting for Mr Macron or

:05:38. > :05:44.miss Marine Le Pen. All the others who voted for the other candidates,

:05:45. > :05:53.some people we have spoken to say, what do they do now? Who do they

:05:54. > :05:58.throw their support behind? Some other siding that both candidates

:05:59. > :06:05.are difficult for them to get behind and support. Some indeed for a

:06:06. > :06:12.majority of the youth I have been speaking to over the last couple of

:06:13. > :06:17.days. You are down there during the terrorist attack. The migrant

:06:18. > :06:20.community, the French Algerian and French Tunisian population, they

:06:21. > :06:24.were very nervous about some of the reaction. Will they be nervous about

:06:25. > :06:30.Marine Le Pen getting into the second round? Very much so. It'll be

:06:31. > :06:34.interesting to see, once we get the exact details in the coming hour,

:06:35. > :06:41.how does exactly break down in this region? One area has been a place

:06:42. > :06:46.where many migrants and refugees have come through. There has been

:06:47. > :06:50.criticism, not only of the migrants and refugees but the people who have

:06:51. > :06:55.helped them in that particular area. Then we go to a small town not too

:06:56. > :06:59.far from here. There are people who are quite hard line and agree with

:07:00. > :07:04.Marine Le Pen. They would like to see her do immediately exposed as a

:07:05. > :07:08.cutback on the number of immigrants. Populations are very much worried

:07:09. > :07:18.about her. Mr Macron will be a more obvious choice for them. People are

:07:19. > :07:21.French but of different ethnicities. We have had a passionate discussions

:07:22. > :07:27.about what it means to be French now. This is also of course an

:07:28. > :07:31.election for cultural insecurity was the term that was brought up again

:07:32. > :07:37.and again. What does it mean to be French? What does a person had to

:07:38. > :07:41.do, believe or speak to be recognised as French? When we get

:07:42. > :07:47.some numbers through, who voted where, how and why, we will have a

:07:48. > :07:53.picture that will be an interesting two weeks coming up. Good to see

:07:54. > :07:57.you. Thank you for those thoughts. Just looking at the results on the

:07:58. > :08:07.bottom of the screen. As the votes are being counted, the gap between

:08:08. > :08:11.Mr Macron and Marine Le Pen, that is a different way around. The Interior

:08:12. > :08:20.Ministry result on the bottom of the screen. That is after the actual

:08:21. > :08:25.vote count, after 20 million votes have been counted. A bit of a

:08:26. > :08:30.surprise, a bit reversal of what we saw in the earlier projections.

:08:31. > :08:36.Let's get some reaction to that. Christine is still here. What do you

:08:37. > :08:41.make of that? That is slightly different to what we were seeing

:08:42. > :08:45.earlier. What sort of message would that send around Europe? It is more

:08:46. > :08:50.in line with what we have been talking back in the last few weeks.

:08:51. > :08:53.In a way, they should not be as much of a surprise. What is really

:08:54. > :08:59.important is we have Marine Le Pen against Macron in the second round.

:09:00. > :09:06.That is quite an indictment on the French political system. If you look

:09:07. > :09:13.at the results, Francois Fillon, the traditional left, they are together

:09:14. > :09:20.doing about 25% of the votes. These two aqua parties have governed

:09:21. > :09:24.France. In the round, the new party. The National Front was created 40

:09:25. > :09:33.years ago. How many millions of voters are we talking about? Voting

:09:34. > :09:38.for a far right party, what is that? Someone gave us a figure earlier on,

:09:39. > :09:53.probably too early. I guess it will be around 16 million. 24% of 20

:09:54. > :09:58.million... There we have around 20 million votes. Probably 5 million

:09:59. > :10:05.voted for Marine Le Pen. That is an extraordinary number of people. We

:10:06. > :10:10.will see to what extent she makes any progress in the next round. Her

:10:11. > :10:14.father did not make that much progress between the two rounds. In

:10:15. > :10:23.this case, the question would be, what happens to people who supported

:10:24. > :10:28.Jean-Luc Melenchon, would they support Macron? Presumably, for

:10:29. > :10:33.them, Macron is not as bad as Francois Fillon. He will still

:10:34. > :10:42.represent those from the neoliberals. We also may have former

:10:43. > :10:46.Jean-Luc Melenchon supporters who may go back to Le Front National.

:10:47. > :10:55.There were strange moments, I remember in Marseille particularly,

:10:56. > :11:00.people were being interviewed. They were saying, I thought I would vote

:11:01. > :11:03.for Marine Le Pen but Jean-Luc Melenchon is more exciting and more

:11:04. > :11:13.fun. Is now because the economic platform is virtually

:11:14. > :11:19.indistinguishable? Absolutely. The capitalism of the European Union...

:11:20. > :11:25.There may be more of a switch. There is a difference in terms of family

:11:26. > :11:33.values. Ten, crew is more progressive than Marine Le Pen. Fall

:11:34. > :11:40.a pen, the economic programme is very blurry. -- for Marine Le Pen.

:11:41. > :11:49.There are some evidence that makes her difficult to locate. The DNA of

:11:50. > :11:54.Le Front National hasn't changed. A lot of people around the world

:11:55. > :11:59.voting for Donald Trump, Brexit, will say this is in line with what

:12:00. > :12:03.we think. We do not like globalisation and the fact we do not

:12:04. > :12:10.have a nationalist boys in our country. That is gathering strength

:12:11. > :12:14.across Europe. -- voice. Yes, and noble study did not happen in

:12:15. > :12:21.Holland. They did not make that much progress. In Germany, the far right

:12:22. > :12:27.has split up two days ago. So, I think, that is the shock of wrecks

:12:28. > :12:38.it. I do not believe it is true that we Europeans, actually, are

:12:39. > :12:45.condemned to go through such a wave of populism. Again, I think,

:12:46. > :12:51.whatever the final score of Macron tonight may be, it is an

:12:52. > :12:57.extraordinary positive phenomenon, in a sense that again he has been

:12:58. > :13:03.promoting Europe, he has been promoting optimism, as opposed to

:13:04. > :13:10.what Marine Le Pen has been saying. It is complicated to compare this

:13:11. > :13:16.vote with the Brexit vote. Some elements are familiar. It is a vote

:13:17. > :13:24.of pessimism. People who were left behind. It is also a very different

:13:25. > :13:30.type of consultation. It is the type of election that French people are

:13:31. > :13:35.used to. In a way, it is showing that French people have learned the

:13:36. > :13:39.lessons, I would say, of the US and the UK and have actually thought

:13:40. > :13:43.about voting strategically or voting with their reasoning rather than

:13:44. > :13:49.with their hearts to avoid something they fear would be much worse. The

:13:50. > :13:56.figures we are showing you from the Interior Ministry will stop they put

:13:57. > :14:02.Marine Le Pen on 24.3% and Macron on 22%. I am being told that does not

:14:03. > :14:07.include the city votes. This includes votes outside the city, so

:14:08. > :14:12.it may indeed shift again. I was on the left bank the other day and I

:14:13. > :14:15.could not find anyone who was not supporting Jean-Luc Melenchon, I

:14:16. > :14:20.have to say. That is the explanation. The inner cities,

:14:21. > :14:27.Paris, for example, the progression of the National Front has been in

:14:28. > :14:35.place. Just as the Brexit vote has been in rural places, in the former

:14:36. > :14:40.industrial areas, places where people are struggling against

:14:41. > :14:44.globalisation, struggling against the economic situation. Put your

:14:45. > :14:50.political scientist hat back on for us. Explain to me how it will work

:14:51. > :14:53.in the National Assembly. It is a presidential system. He is a

:14:54. > :14:58.movement and not a party. We have just been saying the two party

:14:59. > :15:03.system is dead. Lots of politicians belong to those two parties. What

:15:04. > :15:07.will happen between now, the second round of this vote, and those

:15:08. > :15:18.regional, Parliamentary elections in June? Well, what they are trying to

:15:19. > :15:22.do is find candidates. Macron has said he would have 50% of the

:15:23. > :15:28.candidates who would be newcomers into politics. He really intends to

:15:29. > :15:33.renew the political class. A new political class? If it happens,

:15:34. > :15:41.it'll be interesting. First there be some outcome is. There is a lot of

:15:42. > :15:47.uncertainty about whether he will have actually a majority in

:15:48. > :15:54.parliament or whether he will be in coalition with some of the other

:15:55. > :15:59.parties. To be elected, you need people who campaign and people who

:16:00. > :16:03.are outgoings. People who have voted sometimes have a certain loyalty

:16:04. > :16:10.towards them. To assume they will necessarily be ousted is hard in a

:16:11. > :16:15.way. I suppose, the question is, if you are putting a big, reforming

:16:16. > :16:20.platform forward, you have to be aborted Paul from right and left.

:16:21. > :16:25.The problem for President Francois Hollande is he could not. Here is

:16:26. > :16:35.Emmanuel Macron just arrived in his HQ. He could not count on some of

:16:36. > :16:41.his party to support him. I think President Francois Hollande there's

:16:42. > :16:47.a huge responsibility in the collapse of the Socialist party. For

:16:48. > :16:55.all his cleverness, always finding compromises, he was not able to

:16:56. > :17:01.actually rally the various clans within the Socialist party, which is

:17:02. > :17:07.now again a dead corpse. I think what Macron will try and do, it will

:17:08. > :17:13.be very difficult, by the way. Apparently there are many people who

:17:14. > :17:17.want to get engaged and want to get elected. But, as you said, they do

:17:18. > :17:24.not have the experience or the local connections. It is a very delicate

:17:25. > :17:29.selection to make. I was interested the other night when they won the

:17:30. > :17:36.television debate after the dreadful incident on the Shonda Lee say. What

:17:37. > :17:39.is your plan for terrorism and to control immigration? You cannot

:17:40. > :17:50.expect me to come up with a plan of the car. Francois Fillon wrote a

:17:51. > :17:56.book and the man who could be their next president does not have a

:17:57. > :18:02.policy. Remember Donald Trump in the debate against Hillary Clinton

:18:03. > :18:13.saying, I am much too clever. I never reveal my plan to defeat Isil.

:18:14. > :18:18.It can also be interpreted as, I do not have a plan, a rabbit out of a

:18:19. > :18:27.hat. That is what I was trying to get at. I understand that. Look at

:18:28. > :18:35.the trick killers. They are in buoyant mood. What would they make

:18:36. > :18:41.of the man who names his movement with his initials? It is his

:18:42. > :18:46.movement, Emmanuel Macron. In France, political parties do not

:18:47. > :18:50.accept themselves for political parties. They can be called

:18:51. > :18:55.political parties. They are always called something else. With the

:18:56. > :19:02.exception of parties on the left, Communist and Socialist parties, it

:19:03. > :19:06.is part of this tradition. Let's contrast two camps. There you have

:19:07. > :19:13.En Marche and they are waiting for Emmanuel Macron. Now let's go to the

:19:14. > :19:20.headquarters of Francois Fillon. I imagine it is quiet and a bit

:19:21. > :19:24.depressed, is it? Yes, fairly quiet. There are still a few journalists,

:19:25. > :19:30.as you can see behind me, doing lives, as we are now. Supporters

:19:31. > :19:35.have mainly left and guests have also left. We have seen a few tears

:19:36. > :19:45.among supporters watching Francois Fillon's session speech will stop he

:19:46. > :19:50.said that, despite his efforts and determination, there were too many

:19:51. > :19:54.obstacles put in his way. He said there will be a moment when the

:19:55. > :20:00.truth about this election will come out. He said that Le Front National

:20:01. > :20:06.is known for its violence and intolerance. That is why he will

:20:07. > :20:18.vote against a Marine Le Pen in the second round. He was put in his

:20:19. > :20:22.place. The obstacles were things he put into place himself. He is not

:20:23. > :20:30.taking any responsibility for the defeat at all. Exactly. What has

:20:31. > :20:38.happened is that he was well on track to win this presidential race.

:20:39. > :20:46.Remember, when he won his party's primary, he was the favourite of

:20:47. > :20:51.this presidential election race. A corruption scandal emerged, in which

:20:52. > :21:00.he was accused of having paid his wife and children for alleged fake

:21:01. > :21:06.jobs. His campaign was hit by these scandals. He slipped in the polls.

:21:07. > :21:13.He was never far behind the front runners in the polls. His supporters

:21:14. > :21:15.were hoping that his experience as a former Prime Minister would actually

:21:16. > :21:26.convince the undecided on voting day. Indeed. We are watching

:21:27. > :21:35.pictures of the Emmanuel Macron head quarters. He is about to speak very

:21:36. > :21:38.shortly. We are going to talk in a second to a member of the Republican

:21:39. > :21:46.Party. We will see what he makes. He is just trying to say, hello. We

:21:47. > :21:50.have just been hearing about what Francois Fillon has been saying. I

:21:51. > :21:57.was making the point that he is saying obstacles were put in his

:21:58. > :22:01.way. What do you make of that? That does not mean that he is not

:22:02. > :22:07.responsible for the defeat. This is a defeat. There is no other way to

:22:08. > :22:11.You cannot rebuild history. You cannot rebuild history.

:22:12. > :22:16.Everything has gone. Everything next will play the next round, the

:22:17. > :22:24.legislative, I am campaigning for that. Nothing is set yet. For

:22:25. > :22:30.Macron, it will be difficult. He does not have so many people well

:22:31. > :22:35.implemented in each constituency. I know there are some turmoils among

:22:36. > :22:42.his people because some have come from the left, some from the right.

:22:43. > :22:46.That will also be difficult. We will battle anyway. You think there has

:22:47. > :22:53.been a tug of war and you will pull him this way? I think we may have a

:22:54. > :22:58.national assembly that will be very divided and no real majority. There

:22:59. > :23:04.is a danger that we may have, as we used to have before 1958, all

:23:05. > :23:11.talented majority for each subject, each item. I think it can be very

:23:12. > :23:14.difficult and it may also lead to a new dismissal of the National

:23:15. > :23:21.Assembly in a year's time. What do you make of that? That is a danger

:23:22. > :23:25.for Mr Macron, that he gets pulled in two directions and cannot fulfil

:23:26. > :23:35.a programme. It is a real danger. The idea that the Socialist party

:23:36. > :23:40.would carry on without being too affected themselves is probably a

:23:41. > :23:46.bit optimistic. I think they will try to remain as far as possible.

:23:47. > :23:56.The effort by Macron will be to build his own party. It will be

:23:57. > :24:02.difficult. What will happen to your partly? Now you are the Republican

:24:03. > :24:10.Party. Will it be another reincarnation? We will have lots at

:24:11. > :24:15.an emotional level. In my constituency, I am sorry to say it

:24:16. > :24:25.is quite important because we are many, many MPs who may also win

:24:26. > :24:28.again. I do believe that we will have a second round. The second

:24:29. > :24:33.round coming in a fortnight, it will be difficult for many people who

:24:34. > :24:43.have voted for Francois Fillon to work for Macron. There should be a

:24:44. > :24:48.lot of blank votes. We will go straight to Jean-Luc Melenchon of

:24:49. > :24:57.the hard left, who is speaking. In any case... It is certainly not the

:24:58. > :25:05.result that was announced that will be the right one because the Home

:25:06. > :25:15.Office is waiting until midnight tonight to produce official results.

:25:16. > :25:18.By then, various oligarchs and media specialists are extremely pleased.

:25:19. > :25:26.There is nothing more exciting for them than the second-round between

:25:27. > :25:31.two candidates who have proved and want both to prolong the present

:25:32. > :25:38.institutions and who seem to have no ecological conscience, and are

:25:39. > :25:46.unaware, it seems, as to the peril that threatens human civilisation

:25:47. > :25:50.and both once again will fight again the social app acquired rights which

:25:51. > :25:56.are so fundamental for our country. Nonetheless, in any case, once the

:25:57. > :26:06.official results are known, we will respect those results. I cannot say,

:26:07. > :26:13.or do more, at present. It is for each one of you, in your own

:26:14. > :26:27.conscience, to decide what your duty is. And I will follow that. I have

:26:28. > :26:34.received no mandate from the 457 people who decided to put forward my

:26:35. > :26:42.candidacy. And they did not give me their right to express myself on

:26:43. > :26:46.behalf of them. It will be for them to decide upon the platform and the

:26:47. > :26:57.result of their expression will be made public.

:26:58. > :27:08.My beautiful country, my homeland, Mike dutiful homeland. All of you,

:27:09. > :27:20.its people, we can be proud of what we started together, what we managed

:27:21. > :27:25.to do. We are a force, a strength fall of awareness and enthusiasm. I

:27:26. > :27:35.invite you to remain grouped together, to go on moving forward.

:27:36. > :27:45.There are various challenges we designated without hiding any of the

:27:46. > :27:51.difficulties, which are contained in them. Well, these challenges, we

:27:52. > :28:01.still have to face them. Those people today would like to represent

:28:02. > :28:07.all of us. They have already proved we are unable to think about these

:28:08. > :28:16.challenges. The hours and the days to come have to do with the

:28:17. > :28:23.conscience, where people, you, the people, my homeland so much loved.

:28:24. > :28:29.It is like if you were at the dawn of a new morning, a new morning that

:28:30. > :28:41.is emerging. It is important to be faithful to the Republic. Long live

:28:42. > :28:49.the Republic and long live France at scrummage Mark -- long live France!

:28:50. > :28:55.So, Jean-Luc Melenchon not conceding just yet. We will respect the result

:28:56. > :29:00.when he get it, he says. He is resolute. He will speak to us a

:29:01. > :29:05.little bit later. We are still waiting to hear from Emmanuel

:29:06. > :29:10.Macron. We have seen the scenes at his headquarters. There are the

:29:11. > :29:17.cameras waiting for Emmanuel Macron to speak. It is interesting, isn't

:29:18. > :29:26.it? He seems to be delaying so that he is the one speaking last. That is

:29:27. > :29:38.part of the job. Look presidential. Come out last. He has also shown

:29:39. > :29:45.great strategic thinking in planning his position on the political

:29:46. > :29:48.spectrum. He has been helped by the radicalisation of both parties

:29:49. > :29:54.through the primary selection process. He is right in the middle.

:29:55. > :29:59.He is clearly good at analysing politics. Yes. If you are just

:30:00. > :30:04.joining us, there are two slightly different projections we have at the

:30:05. > :30:08.moment. One from the Interior Ministry which puts Marine Le Pen in

:30:09. > :30:17.front of Emmanuel Macron after 20 million votes have been counted.

:30:18. > :30:24.Marine Le Pen on 24% and Macron on 22. Looking at the projections, they

:30:25. > :30:28.have it the other way around. They have Emmanuel Macron in front and

:30:29. > :30:35.Marine Le Pen behind with Jean-Luc Melenchon and Francois Fillon on

:30:36. > :30:38.19%. There you go. They are the pollsters that have been helping us

:30:39. > :30:46.through this evening. En Marche is making the point they have not

:30:47. > :30:48.counted the votes from the cities. -- Jean-Luc Melenchon. Here's hoping

:30:49. > :30:58.he is in with a shout. You have been very generous to

:30:59. > :31:02.Francois Fillon tonight. I spoke to the former Europe minister from your

:31:03. > :31:06.party the other night and he was similarly charitable to Francois

:31:07. > :31:10.Fillon, there must be a lot of soul-searching deep down in your

:31:11. > :31:17.party because this was there for the taking? Yes, but the point is, if we

:31:18. > :31:23.begin to quarrel too much, I think we will lose also the third round.

:31:24. > :31:28.If I have a piece of advice to give to Pierre who is a friend of mine, I

:31:29. > :31:33.would say keep cool because we need absolutely to unite and to really

:31:34. > :31:39.run for the third round in the best position. It doesn't mean that of

:31:40. > :31:47.course Pierre asks Fillon to resign. Who will lead the party into these

:31:48. > :31:53.elections? I think there will be a kind of team because Fillon I think

:31:54. > :32:01.is no more in a position to lead the party as such. But there are many

:32:02. > :32:07.others who tried to act let's say, if each region, to force the victory

:32:08. > :32:13.in the third round. So I think we may have in the coming days, a kind

:32:14. > :32:18.of counting situation, which will mean to win the third round which

:32:19. > :32:23.will force us to have a united front towards the Macron candidates. Where

:32:24. > :32:30.are you going to be over the next two weeks? Campaigning against

:32:31. > :32:35.Marine Le Pen or abstaining? I tell you frankly, I think both candidates

:32:36. > :32:39.in my opinion are not accepted for France because I have a lot of

:32:40. > :32:43.difference with Macron in terms of Europe, because you know he is

:32:44. > :32:50.dreaming of a federal Europe which has been rejected by the French. And

:32:51. > :32:56.I think it is a big mistake. Secondly for Le Pen, everyone knows

:32:57. > :33:01.what she wants and this is not also accepted by many French voters. So

:33:02. > :33:04.would my view, I will be in my constituency going and shaking hands

:33:05. > :33:10.and saying, you have a good MP, keep it. We had pollsters with us earlier

:33:11. > :33:15.who said this election very much was about Europe. You raised your

:33:16. > :33:19.eyebrows when we said the idea of a federal Europe was finished. Do

:33:20. > :33:26.people in France still harbour ambitions of a federal France? I

:33:27. > :33:29.think it is very important for the selection, Europe, but rather than

:33:30. > :33:39.talking about a federal Europe, it shows a resistance to Frexit. It

:33:40. > :33:42.comes from learning the lessons of what has happened before. It may not

:33:43. > :33:51.be a federal Europe but talking to our European partners, to change

:33:52. > :33:55.Europe and to prepare for Frexit as well. Indulge me, and say you get

:33:56. > :33:59.enough MPs in the National Assembly to pull Mr Macron over to your side,

:34:00. > :34:04.what sort of relationship will you have with Britain and what can we

:34:05. > :34:09.expect from the Brexit negotiations? I belong to the community which has

:34:10. > :34:14.talked about Brexit. We need to keep Britain in Europe, geographically

:34:15. > :34:22.so, because we are partners in defence, in many fields and we have

:34:23. > :34:27.the best relationship with Britain so we are not going to shoot a gun

:34:28. > :34:35.in our face. There is a need to keep good relations with Britain. If I

:34:36. > :34:41.come back... Would it be a softer... A Macron presidency and the

:34:42. > :34:44.Republic... I don't think we will have a hard Brexit with Britain

:34:45. > :34:52.because we know Britain is a major partner in terms of Europe imbalance

:34:53. > :34:55.because we have been battling through two world balls and we're

:34:56. > :35:01.not going to start a third one in the opposite camp. The question is

:35:02. > :35:07.not Frexit or Brexit. For us, it is to reform Europe and the question

:35:08. > :35:16.is... The point is I'm not sure Macron has understood. We need an

:35:17. > :35:22.integrity commanding to everyone. I think there is a need to rebuild

:35:23. > :35:25.Europe. It doesn't need to throw Europe away. We need European

:35:26. > :35:33.corporation, we don't need Europe interior is. We spoke to this person

:35:34. > :35:36.a little earlier and she is warming up the Macron crowd although I am

:35:37. > :35:43.not sure she needs much -- they need much warming up! Emmanuel Macron is

:35:44. > :35:50.in the building and I think we are about to see him any second now.

:35:51. > :35:56.Just while we wait for Emmanuel Macron, some of the things you have

:35:57. > :36:06.been hearing about them pulling Macron over to their side,... I

:36:07. > :36:11.think the idea that Macron will bring a soft Brexit, I don't think

:36:12. > :36:18.it depends on Macron but on the strategy of the 27 and also on the

:36:19. > :36:23.position of the UK and what the two sides are prepared to negotiate

:36:24. > :36:26.together without actually throwing threats at each other. So working

:36:27. > :36:35.together will actually be what is important. Of course, all 27

:36:36. > :36:38.countries are sad to see the UK go. But it's about negotiation divorce

:36:39. > :36:44.and then negotiating the relationship after the divorce. It

:36:45. > :36:49.can be many different things. You are both overindulged me, let's move

:36:50. > :36:54.back to France, I shouldn't really turn it to Brexit when it is about

:36:55. > :36:56.the French election tonight! I am interested, when we talk about

:36:57. > :37:02.Emmanuel Macron and how he will change the country, summary was very

:37:03. > :37:07.senior in your party once said to me that the President has to work very

:37:08. > :37:11.quickly within 100 days if he is to change France because the mood

:37:12. > :37:15.shifts after the presidential election. Macron will have to get

:37:16. > :37:22.his act together quite quickly? Yes and I am not so sure he is going to

:37:23. > :37:26.do it. His programme is step-by-step and in fact, we don't know much of

:37:27. > :37:35.his programme, especially how he is going to finance things. I think he

:37:36. > :37:41.might start with glee. This is why I question his ways.

:37:42. > :37:50.I even believe that in fact he will be stuck very rapidly by turmoil in

:37:51. > :38:00.the streets because for instance if you take Melenchon who has been

:38:01. > :38:08.combating and if Macron goes to quickly into this way, there will be

:38:09. > :38:13.trouble on the streets. Far less turmoil than Fillon would have had

:38:14. > :38:17.if he had won. The first thing they must focus on is the second round.

:38:18. > :38:22.Let's not forget there is a second round and he has to win people from

:38:23. > :38:28.the left and the right. Before we start making plans... Let's explore

:38:29. > :38:32.that. We are talking about him because we are just expecting him.

:38:33. > :38:43.Let's explore hypothetically Marine Le Pen as President. We have trouble

:38:44. > :38:47.in the street straightaway. Rejecting the Euro... The question

:38:48. > :38:52.is not the euro as such because the question of the euro is not whether

:38:53. > :38:57.we want to leave Europe, it is the way the euro is going to leave us.

:38:58. > :39:02.Europe prices are ahead of us. This is something very important. The

:39:03. > :39:07.interest rate on the very high French debt? It is owned by the

:39:08. > :39:15.French themselves. Don't forget that. This is not the same case as

:39:16. > :39:18.Argentina. It will be that we transform if there is any but leave

:39:19. > :39:26.that because I think this is not something that any French government

:39:27. > :39:30.will solve by a political decision. I think the situation on this

:39:31. > :39:35.question of Eurozone will come later on because of the international

:39:36. > :39:38.markets themselves. Let's talk about Marine Le Pen's programme because

:39:39. > :39:43.some people might not be familiar with it. She won the Central Bank to

:39:44. > :39:47.print more money to reduce the cost of the debt, she wants more welfare

:39:48. > :39:51.and she will borrow more. She would have a referendum on the European

:39:52. > :39:56.Union. We talked about Macron's potential difficulty in having

:39:57. > :40:03.Parliament supporting him, she will have the same problem because she

:40:04. > :40:06.needs to win a number of constituencies. She is probably very

:40:07. > :40:13.unlikely to win enough constituencies. I can't imagine it.

:40:14. > :40:16.Where are the similarities between the French and American system?

:40:17. > :40:21.Donald Trump has said, you've got to back me because the country voted

:40:22. > :40:24.for me. He says it is my programme they want, with the National

:40:25. > :40:29.Assembly have to follow? Whoever it is? They will both do the same, they

:40:30. > :40:36.will both claim we need presidential majority behind us. There is a

:40:37. > :40:42.degree of polarisation. There are people who are already elected who

:40:43. > :40:45.will fight for their seat. It is not a done deal, not to switch from one

:40:46. > :40:51.party to the other. It will be difficult. I agree because I think

:40:52. > :40:59.we will not have a huge majority for Macron or four Le Pen which is not

:41:00. > :41:07.considerable tonight. I think we may have National Front because I'm sure

:41:08. > :41:14.they will gain some in the south. You will have socialist left and you

:41:15. > :41:21.will also have the republican MPs. That will be rather difficult. It

:41:22. > :41:25.will be on a policy by policy issue? It can be ace shifting majority on

:41:26. > :41:31.each issue and sometimes also a blockade. I do believe we might have

:41:32. > :41:35.a difficult situation in the coming year. It's been good to have your

:41:36. > :41:41.company this evening, thank you both very much. It's been a pleasure.

:41:42. > :41:46.Good to see you. Quite a setting we have here with the Arc de Triomphe

:41:47. > :41:49.lit up behind us and plenty of people incidentally, we talk about

:41:50. > :41:53.the resilience of the French, there are thousands of people on the

:41:54. > :41:58.Champs-Elysees and they have come out to vote in big numbers. The

:41:59. > :42:01.turnout pretty much as it was in 2012 so they won't be defeated by

:42:02. > :42:05.the terrorism which is perhaps the bright spot of the evening. This is

:42:06. > :42:10.our special results programme and we have got a long way to go still in

:42:11. > :42:14.account but we think we have a pattern of where this first round is

:42:15. > :42:19.going. Emmanuel Macron and Marine Le Pen out in front. Let's get a

:42:20. > :42:28.round-up of the night from Caroline Hawley.

:42:29. > :42:34.At the headquarters of Emmanuel Macron, the cheers said it all. He

:42:35. > :42:38.has made it through to the second round of the most closely fought

:42:39. > :42:41.election in recent history. Macron is only 39 and has never stood for

:42:42. > :42:46.election before. The former investment banker resigned as

:42:47. > :42:51.economy minister last year to fight for the presidency as head of the

:42:52. > :42:55.new party En Marche, on the move. He certainly is.

:42:56. > :43:01.He will stand in two weeks' time against Marine Le Pen of the far

:43:02. > :43:04.right, the woman who would be President and she has vowed to

:43:05. > :43:12.suspend all illegal immigration and give jobs, welfare and housing two

:43:13. > :43:16.French nationals before foreigners. TRANSLATION: Time has come to get

:43:17. > :43:19.rid of all the arrogant people who want to dictate to the population

:43:20. > :43:24.what they should do. I am a candidate for the people. It's an

:43:25. > :43:30.appeal to all the sincere patriot, whether they -- wherever they come

:43:31. > :43:34.from, their origin or whatever they voted for in the first round, I

:43:35. > :43:39.invite them all to join us and to abandon old-fashioned quarrels and

:43:40. > :43:45.to concentrate on what is the superior interest of our country.

:43:46. > :43:48.That was really essential. Votes are still being counted but the

:43:49. > :43:53.political establishment in France has been roundly beaten. The man

:43:54. > :43:57.once tipped for France's top job, the Conservative Francois Fillon has

:43:58. > :44:03.conceded defeat. His vote will go in the next round to Emmanuel Macron.

:44:04. > :44:09.TRANSLATION: Extremism, do trust me, can only produce and fortune...

:44:10. > :44:14.Misfortune and division for France, so there is no other choice but to

:44:15. > :44:21.fight and vote against the extreme right and therefore, I will vote for

:44:22. > :44:28.Emmanuel Macron. And I feel that it's my duty to tell you that very

:44:29. > :44:32.honestly and it's for your conscience now, to think about what

:44:33. > :44:37.is the best for your country but also for your children. On a

:44:38. > :44:42.seventh, the people of France will turn out to vote again. The choice

:44:43. > :44:48.they make will shape not just a country but it is continent.

:44:49. > :44:53.Let's cross straight to the headquarters of En Marche, the party

:44:54. > :44:58.of Emmanuel Macron, just coming out into the crowd. Their areas, taking

:44:59. > :45:02.the congratulations of his supporters. They have waited

:45:03. > :45:09.patiently for him and baby never a couple of hours and they are in full

:45:10. > :45:14.mood. The tricolore being waved among the crowds and we are waiting

:45:15. > :45:17.to hear what sort of form he will be campaigning on. Our guests have

:45:18. > :45:22.talked about the vague promises he has made and some of the policy is

:45:23. > :45:28.not very clearly defined. It's quite obvious that many of the candidates

:45:29. > :45:33.who have already conceded thinking principally of Benoit Hamon and

:45:34. > :45:36.Francois Fillon, they have thrown their weight behind Emmanuel Macron

:45:37. > :45:41.so he can probably count on the support of a large proportion of

:45:42. > :45:46.their voters. According to the polls, that will probably see him

:45:47. > :45:50.home a week on Sunday. But a lot of campaigning between now and then and

:45:51. > :45:59.Marine Le Pen equally confident. She casting it as a battle between her

:46:00. > :46:03.ideals against immigration, globalisation. Obviously

:46:04. > :46:06.Eurosceptic. Against the establishment which Emmanuel Macron

:46:07. > :46:10.represents. More of the same, she says Angie tries to paint him as the

:46:11. > :46:16.continuity candidate, more Francois Hollande. He was his economy

:46:17. > :46:21.minister until he resigned and started this En Marche movement last

:46:22. > :46:27.April. Some people very much see him as part of the establishment, the

:46:28. > :46:31.Socialist party. You wonder whether the support of Francois Hollande,

:46:32. > :46:34.the President of the key ministers, whether that will do him any good

:46:35. > :46:39.over the next two weeks but I suppose better to have their support

:46:40. > :46:42.than not. He is being miked up and ready to speak to the crowd. We will

:46:43. > :47:10.listen in. We will just talk a little bit over

:47:11. > :47:15.the top of him while he get up as the adoration of the crowd. That

:47:16. > :47:21.lady to the left is his wife. She was formerly his teacher and when he

:47:22. > :47:25.was 17 years old, I read today, he said, I'm going to marry you and she

:47:26. > :47:30.was already married with children and indeed he did marry her and then

:47:31. > :47:34.he went on to work for Rothschilds bank and he made quite a penny for a

:47:35. > :47:39.period of time before he joined Francois Hollande as an adviser. He

:47:40. > :47:42.was quite a brilliant student, came through the system, everyone who

:47:43. > :47:50.comes across and says he has a very sharp mind. He was scrawled at the

:47:51. > :47:56.-- he was scrawled at where most of the politicians in France have come

:47:57. > :48:02.from. Looks like he's about to speak. CHEERING

:48:03. > :48:49.CHANTING TRANSLATION:, here we are. My fellow

:48:50. > :48:57.citizens, today, Sunday, 23rd of April, the people of France

:48:58. > :49:03.expressed their views. This country is living through a very unexpected

:49:04. > :49:07.part of its history, characterised by terrorism, social difficulties,

:49:08. > :49:20.ecological problems, they gave the most beautiful answer by voting on a

:49:21. > :49:23.massive scale. The French people decided to put me ahead in the first

:49:24. > :49:51.round of votes. CHANTING I'm aware of the honour and

:49:52. > :49:55.responsibility that rests on my shoulders and I would like to pay

:49:56. > :50:10.homage to the various candidates that took part in that first round.

:50:11. > :50:13.Natalie Arturo, Francois Fillon, Benoit Hamon, Jean La Salle, and

:50:14. > :50:32.others. Thank you for applauding all of

:50:33. > :50:45.them, it is very much your image, our image. I know how those who

:50:46. > :50:51.supported them may be disappointed. I thank Benoit Hamon and Francois

:50:52. > :51:02.Fillon for asking that they vote on my candidacy in the second round.

:51:03. > :51:09.To all of those that have supported me since April, 2016, by creating En

:51:10. > :51:13.Marche and making it something alive, I would like to tell them

:51:14. > :51:24.this, in the space of a year, we have changed the face of political

:51:25. > :51:32.life in France. The deep feeling, the organic feeling that is always

:51:33. > :51:36.carried along by people, the commitment to one's homeland, energy

:51:37. > :51:50.for common interest beyond vision, that's what won the party tonight. I

:51:51. > :51:58.will never forget the determined will, the energy that thousands of

:51:59. > :52:04.you deployed. In over a year, everywhere in France, you have

:52:05. > :52:08.played your role in the national destiny and you were able to show

:52:09. > :52:14.that hope in our country was not a dream, wasn't a bubble, but was a

:52:15. > :52:23.determined will and a beneficial, a positive will.

:52:24. > :52:38.You gave your days, you gave your nights, when it wasn't enough. And

:52:39. > :52:44.tonight, tonight, my friends, it is something I owe you and I'm

:52:45. > :52:49.perfectly aware of it. It's for you to carry on with that vibrant

:52:50. > :52:55.commitment, until the end and even beyond, you must never give up, you

:52:56. > :52:58.must never forget. Never forget those moments during which you

:52:59. > :53:03.changed the fate of our country and you have to remain courageous,

:53:04. > :53:10.demanding, as you are, and it's for you to follow that road. From this

:53:11. > :53:15.very evening, I feel it's my duty to go beyond and to gather together

:53:16. > :53:28.everyone in France. I'll always be close to you and I'll always needs

:53:29. > :53:40.you. To the millions of French men and women who trusted me by voting

:53:41. > :53:53.for me, I have to say thank you. CHANTING

:53:54. > :54:01.I have to assert that I'm aware of the way it will present and it is a

:54:02. > :54:05.serious joy but a lucid joy that inhabits me and on your behalf and

:54:06. > :54:11.in your name, for the second round of the selection, I will express

:54:12. > :54:27.optimism and the voice of hope that we want our country for Europe.

:54:28. > :54:34.To my teens, I want to say thank you, and to those who are here and

:54:35. > :54:37.who are no longer there because there is nothing you can do that is

:54:38. > :54:40.going to forget who you are and where you come from. To thank you to

:54:41. > :55:11.all of my family. CHANTING She is always present and without

:55:12. > :55:19.her, I wouldn't be myself. From now on, my friends, it is for us to

:55:20. > :55:22.gather a wider base and we have to reconcile France so that in a

:55:23. > :55:25.fortnight, we are able to win and tomorrow we will be able to preside

:55:26. > :55:56.our country. CROWD CHANT "NO" CHANTING I had her doubts about fear

:55:57. > :56:02.and rage from the people of France, that strong desire to change things

:56:03. > :56:06.and that's what led France to move away from responsibility, the two

:56:07. > :56:17.big parties that have been governing France over the last 30 years. So

:56:18. > :56:26.tonight, I want to talk to all the citizens in France, but also, the

:56:27. > :56:31.France overseas. I know your expectations and I wish that in a

:56:32. > :56:44.fortnight, I will become your President. I want to become the

:56:45. > :56:49.President of the whole people of France, the President of the

:56:50. > :57:01.patriots in the face of the threat represented by nationalists. A

:57:02. > :57:06.President able to protect, to transform, and to build up, a

:57:07. > :57:14.President who is able to allow those willing to create innovative, start,

:57:15. > :57:21.work, to do it faster, more easily. I want to be a President who is

:57:22. > :57:27.going to support and help the more fragile among us, those who have

:57:28. > :57:40.been upset by life, and do that through help, school, work,

:57:41. > :57:50.solidarity. I heard your inspiration towards a real vitality and your

:57:51. > :57:53.ecological and economic expectations. We want to build a

:57:54. > :57:58.possible future that will make France stronger in Europe and that

:57:59. > :58:00.will be able to protect us and for that, I will need a vote and your

:58:01. > :58:17.trust. My dear fellow citizens, in a

:58:18. > :58:26.fortnight, I will work hard so that together, we can gather as large as

:58:27. > :58:29.possible around my candidacy. The strength of that gathering together

:58:30. > :58:39.will be essential to be able to preside and govern.

:58:40. > :58:50.From tonight, the challenge is not just to go and vote against flu or

:58:51. > :58:54.whoever, no, the challenge is to decide and reject totally a system

:58:55. > :59:00.that was enabled to answer and face the problems that exist in our

:59:01. > :59:07.countries that have been in place for more than 30 years. The

:59:08. > :59:18.challenge is to open a new page in our life and act so that everyone,

:59:19. > :59:28.with justice and efficiency, is able to find justice in France and in

:59:29. > :59:34.Europe. This is what our challenges. That's the reason why, my dear

:59:35. > :59:42.fellow citizens, from now on, I want to build up a majority for governing

:59:43. > :59:49.and a transformation, something new which will be made up of new people,

:59:50. > :59:55.new talent and everyone can find its place in that new structure. I'm not

:59:56. > :59:59.going to ask, from people who are joining me, where they come from,

:00:00. > :00:06.but merely whether they agree for a renewal of our political life. To

:00:07. > :00:10.guarantee the security of French people, for freeing work, for

:00:11. > :00:15.reorganising schools and making it possible for all of us to progress

:00:16. > :00:18.in society, whatever the origins and to relaunch the building of a strong

:00:19. > :00:51.Europe. From tonight, you have to assume a

:00:52. > :01:00.certain risk and you must join me, me and the Parliamentary majority I

:01:01. > :01:07.will build from tomorrow onwards. My fellow citizens, you have done it.

:01:08. > :01:10.You, the ones who have carried us forward. And you demonstrated that

:01:11. > :01:25.in our country there was no fatalities. You are above face of

:01:26. > :01:34.that rebirth. You are in the face of hope, French hope. In a fortnight, I

:01:35. > :01:46.want us to win will stop -- I want us to win.

:01:47. > :02:08.My fellow citizens, there are not different France says. Just the one

:02:09. > :02:11.France. It will be an enormous and immense task. I will be actively on

:02:12. > :02:27.your side. The struggle to be able to be the

:02:28. > :02:33.leader of our country starts tonight and we will win that struggle. Long

:02:34. > :02:38.live the Republic and long live France.

:02:39. > :02:47.So, there is Emmanuel Macron taking the adoration of his supporters.

:02:48. > :02:53.Talking about the fact he is the candidate of optimism and hope. He

:02:54. > :02:57.said he wants to relaunch the European project. He understands the

:02:58. > :03:02.expectations they have of him. Not much in terms of policy. We will

:03:03. > :03:06.talk about that in a second. He did say he wants to bring new people and

:03:07. > :03:10.new talents to French politics. He is looking forward to the

:03:11. > :03:18.parliamentary elections in June. This is a movement, En Marche, not a

:03:19. > :03:22.party does to be is talking about bringing a whole, new political

:03:23. > :03:29.class to the National Assembly. As we watch those pictures, I will

:03:30. > :03:33.bring in a campaigner for Jean-Luc Melenchon. Also this is a civil

:03:34. > :03:41.rights campaigner for the blood talk to you first. You have to be at

:03:42. > :03:45.other events this evening. -- a civil rights campaigner. Emmanuel

:03:46. > :03:55.Macron, still a little bit light on policy. It is not clear what his

:03:56. > :04:03.programme was. We have started a campaign more than a year ago with a

:04:04. > :04:09.programme and grassroots movement. This is why Jean-Luc Melenchon

:04:10. > :04:14.announced earlier tonight that we will ask people's opinion, consult

:04:15. > :04:23.our members on what to do in a second term. On the general line,

:04:24. > :04:30.what we can see with this election which is new is that the old world

:04:31. > :04:35.is dying and a new era is coming. Do you consider Emmanuel Macron part of

:04:36. > :04:42.that dying political class? Is he more of the same? He is part of the

:04:43. > :04:48.establishment. You said it earlier, he is a former banker from

:04:49. > :04:53.Rothschild bank. He is backed by a lot of mainstream media. He went

:04:54. > :05:00.abroad to seek full financial support. That is absolutely contrary

:05:01. > :05:09.to what we have done, trying to make a grassroots movement. It is more of

:05:10. > :05:18.a French, cultural identity. Kind of sounds more like Ernie Sanders tried

:05:19. > :05:26.to do in the US, for example. A fascinating character. He has the

:05:27. > :05:30.support of the Communist Party. He has the support of the Communist

:05:31. > :05:37.Party. He wants 95% tax rate for those above a certain amount in

:05:38. > :05:42.wages. A lot of people in France believe in theirs. What can you do

:05:43. > :05:48.if he does not get through to the next round. What is the next step?

:05:49. > :05:55.Can you bring people into Parliament who believe those sorts of things?

:05:56. > :06:01.The next upcoming challenge for us will be bringing in a lot of new

:06:02. > :06:05.MPs, a lot of youngsters who were involved in this campaign.

:06:06. > :06:11.Youngsters, women, young women also to that campaign. That was a major

:06:12. > :06:17.achievement in our campaign. To go back on what you are saying, Chavez

:06:18. > :06:22.did what he did in the Latin American world, which is very

:06:23. > :06:27.different, the level of poverty is very different to what we are having

:06:28. > :06:37.here. Here, the situation is considerably challenging as well. It

:06:38. > :06:45.is not a model. It is not our society. We do not have any of them.

:06:46. > :06:50.We only have the French history and the French republican values. Stay

:06:51. > :06:55.with us for a few minutes. I want to cross to James Reynolds who is at

:06:56. > :07:00.Macron's headquarters. You are listening to Emmanuel Macron. What

:07:01. > :07:06.did they make of it? They cheered along. From their point of view, it

:07:07. > :07:11.was not a particularly jubilant speech that it was a statesman-like

:07:12. > :07:15.speech. That gave you an indication was speaking to. He was not

:07:16. > :07:20.threatening himself to the people in the room. You are ready has their

:07:21. > :07:24.votes stop he is already thinking of the second round and make sure he

:07:25. > :07:29.ties up the other votes from the Socialist party and from Francois

:07:30. > :07:38.Fillon as well. It is about someone looking beyond his supporters.

:07:39. > :07:43.James, we were just talking here. There is a lot of hope and optimism

:07:44. > :07:49.expressed by Mr Macron. A lot of our guests are saying they still need to

:07:50. > :07:54.seek policies and manifested. What will you do to actually change

:07:55. > :08:02.France? -- seed policies and manifestos. A lot of promises about

:08:03. > :08:07.being pro-EU, pro-business and pro-social welfare. At what point

:08:08. > :08:11.will this be crystallised? They say he will go around and get as many

:08:12. > :08:15.votes as he can from others. That would be the central question asked

:08:16. > :08:19.of him and his supporters in the next couple of weeks. It is all

:08:20. > :08:23.rather having promises converted into a number of votes in the first

:08:24. > :08:28.round but what about real specifics it should be a governing programme?

:08:29. > :08:32.He is the strong favourite and might have one eye on the Parliamentary

:08:33. > :08:36.elections in June. No point being president if you do not have a

:08:37. > :08:44.parliament wanted to carry out your wishes. OK, James. For the moment,

:08:45. > :08:48.thank you very much. Let me just remind you of the first partial

:08:49. > :08:53.results that were released by the French Interior Ministry. 28 million

:08:54. > :09:05.votes have been counted so far which showed Marine Le Pen on 23.6%.

:09:06. > :09:13.Emmanuel Macron on 22.78%. Jean-Luc Melenchon on 18 point 43%. A good

:09:14. > :09:16.result for him, nonetheless. We must point out this result does not

:09:17. > :09:20.include votes from the big cities where the polls close later than the

:09:21. > :09:25.rest of the country. The final result might be different. Before I

:09:26. > :09:33.let you go, you are not giving in yet. He is saying, let's wait till

:09:34. > :09:36.you get the final result. Yes. Considering the amount of voters in

:09:37. > :09:41.the big cities and the voters who are more inclined to vote for

:09:42. > :09:50.Jean-Luc Melenchon. He can still hope to be number three. To go on to

:09:51. > :10:00.the previous debate we had, for us, Macron, the danger is that he is

:10:01. > :10:06.their hair to President Francois Hollande's austerity. We have been

:10:07. > :10:13.accused of being radical far left. I do not consider myself to be a

:10:14. > :10:16.radical, I am a true socialist, in a way. Let's go to the Jean-Luc

:10:17. > :10:19.Melenchon camp and sewer happens with the rest of that camp. Let's

:10:20. > :10:31.have a look at the projection results. The centrist Emmanuel

:10:32. > :10:41.Macron is on 23.8%. A slight reversal in the results. Marine Le

:10:42. > :10:46.Pen on 21.7%. Francois Fillon is on 19.8% and Jean-Luc Melenchon, the

:10:47. > :10:52.far left candidate on 19.2%. The real sorry story of the evening is

:10:53. > :10:59.the Socialist party. Look at that. Down there at barely 7%. The same

:11:00. > :11:03.party as the serving president, President Francois Hollande, who was

:11:04. > :11:10.not able to stand. The most unpopular president by some margin.

:11:11. > :11:14.With these margins, we can assume that Macron and Marine Le Pen will

:11:15. > :11:24.be fighting in the second round, a week on Sunday. They are not

:11:25. > :11:32.conceding, not just yet. I can also introduce you to the editor of the

:11:33. > :11:37.right leading cause magazine. Let me just ask you, since you have been

:11:38. > :11:43.waiting. We talk to you a few days ago about what people would make in

:11:44. > :11:47.this election. What will they make of the final result now that Marine

:11:48. > :11:52.Le Pen is into the second round? We have known that Marine Le Pen would

:11:53. > :12:00.be into the second round of the elections. It is not a surprise for

:12:01. > :12:04.anyone. Her party has not won the last two elections. The European

:12:05. > :12:07.elections or she has been in the landscape for a long time put it is

:12:08. > :12:14.no surprise. What really surprises me is the way her and Emmanuel

:12:15. > :12:22.Macron present themselves as people who are new to the political French

:12:23. > :12:27.system that actually, Marine Le Pen, inherited it from her father. She is

:12:28. > :12:35.the product of a party that has been in the political landscape for a

:12:36. > :12:42.long time. Her father was the Minister of the budget and he really

:12:43. > :12:45.succeeded in marketing himself as someone new that he is still a

:12:46. > :12:53.representative of the establishment. It is interesting to see. I have

:12:54. > :12:56.tried to listen to his speech. I do not understand what he stands for.

:12:57. > :13:07.That is probably the reason why he was able to attract people from a

:13:08. > :13:12.former communist man. Someone from the party of temper Asaid it was a

:13:13. > :13:23.marketing man's. Full of rhetoric that light on policy. -- Jean-Luc

:13:24. > :13:28.Melenchon. He can say one thing one day and on the contrary the other

:13:29. > :13:35.day. There was a former communist who was the mayor of the city of

:13:36. > :13:41.Saint Denis. Also people who used to back Nicholas are cosy. It is a

:13:42. > :13:49.large amount of people. Your readers, will they be happy with

:13:50. > :13:54.what they have seen this evening? I think, first of all, the fact that

:13:55. > :13:58.the nation state and the relation to Europe in the centre is good news

:13:59. > :14:04.for them. It has been quite a long time that we have been trying to say

:14:05. > :14:09.that the real political partition line is no longer right or left but

:14:10. > :14:15.it is about borders, it is where democracy is, sovereignty is. Now we

:14:16. > :14:19.have the two candidates that represent two views will do wonders

:14:20. > :14:24.for the European project, which will go all the way to a kind of United

:14:25. > :14:28.States of Europe, which is legitimate, and the other is that

:14:29. > :14:34.the nation state has a very important role to play and actually

:14:35. > :14:41.that we do not know if democracy is possible outside of a nation state.

:14:42. > :14:46.Do stay with us. I want to cross to Gavin who is at the Bastille. We

:14:47. > :14:50.showed you clashes between the police and we thought they were

:14:51. > :14:54.left-wing demonstrators clashed with far right protesters. Maybe Gavin

:14:55. > :15:00.can shed some light. Tell us about what happened and what the situation

:15:01. > :15:06.is at the moment. It has calmed down quite a lot. There is still a group

:15:07. > :15:11.of protesters. You can see and hear the riot police. On the Bastille, it

:15:12. > :15:15.is a bit quieter. A couple of hours ago, we can show you those pictures.

:15:16. > :15:23.There were clashes, ugly scenes. Shouting about Marine Le Pen,

:15:24. > :15:27.neither Macron. There were actually some families. Students I was

:15:28. > :15:32.speaking to. There were also men in masks who are intent on causing

:15:33. > :15:36.trouble. Things have calmed down and the police have backed away

:15:37. > :15:39.slightly. There are trigger points you may see in the background with

:15:40. > :15:45.protesters throwing things at the police. We'll bring in some people

:15:46. > :15:52.who arrived a short while ago. There was a call to come here. Tell me

:15:53. > :15:57.about that. Some people told us we have to come here in Bastille to

:15:58. > :16:02.protest against Marine Le Pen and protest against the vote. So, we

:16:03. > :16:06.went here but there was nobody, so I don't know why. We want to protest

:16:07. > :16:17.because that is the first sign that Marine Le Pen, it is historical. We

:16:18. > :16:22.want to protest against that. We don't want Marine Le Pen for

:16:23. > :16:29.president. They wanted to protest against that but there is nobody.

:16:30. > :16:33.So, you're looking for where to voice your thoughts, you're upset

:16:34. > :16:44.about Marine Le Pen making it through. We want some people to hear

:16:45. > :16:51.that we are upset. In a time of trouble, it is about the Government,

:16:52. > :16:57.every people, saying, this is not normal, this is historical. In 2002,

:16:58. > :17:03.there was not that score with the election. That is historical. We

:17:04. > :17:14.have to do something. We don't want Brexit. We want something else. What

:17:15. > :17:18.will you do now? You both voted for left-wing candidates. What will you

:17:19. > :17:24.do with the choice of Macron or Marine Le Pen? I'm going to vote for

:17:25. > :17:28.Macron because I do not want to see Marine Le Pen as president. I think

:17:29. > :17:33.the all should vote as Macron because we do not want Marine Le Pen

:17:34. > :17:40.as president. You were saying you want a blank vote, by putting nobody

:17:41. > :17:47.on the scoresheet. Yes, I will have nobody on my vote. I think so. Maybe

:17:48. > :17:51.I can change my mind. I will have nobody on my vote because both of

:17:52. > :17:57.them don't deserve my vote. There was trouble here, we saw it a moment

:17:58. > :18:01.ago. People like you just here to stand and show defiance. What will

:18:02. > :18:06.you do for the rest of the night? Willoughby showing up to protest and

:18:07. > :18:17.keep your voice heard? That is a good question. What about the

:18:18. > :18:20.repression? We have done the emergency state and everything. The

:18:21. > :18:26.police should do what the police will do. We will see if there are

:18:27. > :18:31.protests going on. A quick look around at the moment and thanks to

:18:32. > :18:35.both of you. I appreciate that. A lot of tactical coordination going

:18:36. > :18:43.on. Ultimately a lot calmer than the scenes we saw before. Gavin, thank

:18:44. > :18:48.you very much. Bastille was a focus of demonstrations, of course. Not

:18:49. > :18:52.that unusual to see demonstrations, particularly on a night like this.

:18:53. > :18:56.There will be some people who are upset about seeing Marine Le Pen in

:18:57. > :19:04.the second round and we may see that protest in the coming weeks. I have

:19:05. > :19:09.seen on social media calls to protest at French embassies around

:19:10. > :19:16.the world. People do not want to see that in our country. We sent the

:19:17. > :19:18.largest number of MPs from the far right in the European Parliament.

:19:19. > :19:24.Today we have Marine Le Pen running for the second round. There is one

:19:25. > :19:28.thing. The only thing I found interesting in the second round of

:19:29. > :19:32.years it is the first time in the Republic that we have two candidates

:19:33. > :19:38.who are under 50. That means that people in France are willing to get

:19:39. > :19:42.rid of the older generations, the establishment and the older

:19:43. > :19:47.generations. That is interesting. If Mr Macron is really part of the

:19:48. > :19:54.establishment. He is. He was saying he is changing the face of the

:19:55. > :19:59.French politics. At the same time, changing the face is very

:20:00. > :20:04.superficial. We really need people who will change French politics in a

:20:05. > :20:10.deep way. OK. Thank you bromance. Let's focus on what Marine Le Pen

:20:11. > :20:19.has been talking about tonight. She said the time has come for what she

:20:20. > :20:29.said was the real all talented. -- alternative. Fellow citizens, you

:20:30. > :20:32.have projected me to the second round of the presidential election.

:20:33. > :20:38.I am aware of the honour you are giving me. I am humble and grateful.

:20:39. > :20:47.I would like to express to you, French Patria is, how grateful I am.

:20:48. > :20:53.The first step, which should lead France to the Elysee is already

:20:54. > :20:59.covered. It is a historical result and it is for me to take on board

:21:00. > :21:04.the enormous responsibility of defending France, being responsible

:21:05. > :21:12.for its culture, its prosperity, its independence, its security. It is

:21:13. > :21:17.something to do with French pride. A country that raises its head, which

:21:18. > :21:21.is sure of its values and thrust into the future. I am sure

:21:22. > :21:26.absolutely every French person has been aware of the fact that the

:21:27. > :21:30.system tried through every possible means to stifle the big political

:21:31. > :21:38.debate that election should have been. That the debate will take

:21:39. > :21:43.place at long last. Breen depends speaking at her headquarters in the

:21:44. > :21:49.Calais region. -- Marine Le Pen. Let's introduce you to the Minister

:21:50. > :21:55.of State for the current government. Commiserations. Not a very good

:21:56. > :22:01.night for your candidate. Yes, and no. No, because of course it is

:22:02. > :22:06.defeat for the Socialist candidate. Yes, because, at least, the

:22:07. > :22:12.progressives are represented in the second round. My fear was to see no

:22:13. > :22:23.pro-European candidate. Now the choice is very clear between Marine

:22:24. > :22:34.Le Pen. I backed the candidacy of Macron. Does the withdrawal of the

:22:35. > :22:39.socialist candidate reflect the broken promises of the last five

:22:40. > :22:45.years? It is impossible to tell this evening. Person who has taken part

:22:46. > :22:50.in five years of political action, to see that this is not being

:22:51. > :22:56.discussed at all because the presidential debate was not for or

:22:57. > :23:04.against what was done in re-elections. But that is my

:23:05. > :23:09.personal opinion. I have spent five years of my life trying to act for

:23:10. > :23:15.the better, the best. It is a non-subject. I want to build a

:23:16. > :23:20.future. I think the best way to do it is with Emmanuel Macron. We will

:23:21. > :23:30.have plenty of time to reflect on the future of the left in France and

:23:31. > :23:35.in Europe. Some say, it may be conspiracy theorists, that he is a

:23:36. > :23:40.political plant. Emmanuel Macron, former economy minister, has been

:23:41. > :23:46.put in the centre. That is really where President Francois Hollande,

:23:47. > :23:49.that is where they wanted to be. They said you cannot campaign within

:23:50. > :23:57.the Socialist party and win, you have to form your own. You save

:23:58. > :24:02.plucked. I am not aware of any strategic plans that might have been

:24:03. > :24:09.imagined last year. I don't think so. I think maybe Macron was smart

:24:10. > :24:17.enough to understand that there was political space to fill. The more

:24:18. > :24:25.radical left was very upset and frustrated about the Government

:24:26. > :24:37.because of Francois Fillon was not that popular. With all the scandals

:24:38. > :24:41.that emerged, it was wide open. Is it a conspiracy theory that Macron

:24:42. > :24:47.had been put there by the Socialists? I don't think so. He

:24:48. > :24:51.erupted like a dog in a crooked game and disturbed everyone's game. They

:24:52. > :24:54.tried to make defeat looked like victory, so they tell us stories

:24:55. > :25:02.about them being behind and pushing and pulling the wires. I don't think

:25:03. > :25:07.so. He is very clever, very ambitious, and he saw the train

:25:08. > :25:13.slowing down in his station and he jumped on it. You think he will win

:25:14. > :25:17.in the second round? I think it is very probable he will win. The

:25:18. > :25:24.opinion polls were quite accurate and I see no reason to doubt it in

:25:25. > :25:29.the future. Thank you for being with us. We think we have a result this

:25:30. > :25:33.evening. It looks like Emanuel Macron and Marine Le Pen going

:25:34. > :25:37.through to the second round. How will France react to that? We will

:25:38. > :25:42.see in the course of the next two weeks. We will leave you in Paris. A

:25:43. > :25:49.beautiful evening. The Eiffel Tower behind us. The lights are on. We

:25:50. > :25:52.will see, over the course of the next two weeks, how the debate on

:25:53. > :26:09.the presidential round two develops. Good evening. After a fine and

:26:10. > :26:10.reasonably warm day for