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:00:31. > :00:34.programme and our weekly coverage of first Minister's questions. The

:00:34. > :00:37.measles epidemic in Swansea continues to be causing concern

:00:37. > :00:43.amongst Assembly Members. The latest figures show an increase in the

:00:43. > :00:45.number of cases. There are also questions tabled for Carwyn Jones on

:00:45. > :00:50.the changes to Social Security and his government's spending

:00:50. > :00:54.priorities. That is what is on the mind of AMs but what's on your

:00:54. > :00:58.mind? Let us know. Whether it's something on the programme or

:00:58. > :01:06.anything else politics related, we are on Twitter or you can send us an

:01:06. > :01:12.e-mail. Business has kicked off in the Chamber already so let's go

:01:12. > :01:17.there now for questions to the First Minister. The National Assembly for

:01:17. > :01:24.Wales is now in session. The first item this afternoon is questions to

:01:24. > :01:26.the First Minister. Question one is Paul Davies. Will the First Minister

:01:26. > :01:33.make a statement on what the Welsh Government is doing to improve

:01:33. > :01:40.transport connect over tea in West Wales? The national transport plans

:01:40. > :01:47.set out a number of major road and rail schemes in Wales. They will

:01:47. > :01:53.improve collectivity in that area. Constituents have contacted me

:01:53. > :01:57.recently expressing concerns about transport to the team in certain

:01:57. > :02:04.areas. These legs are important to two is and the Welsh economy as a

:02:04. > :02:06.whole. It appears that train timetables on the Irish site don't

:02:06. > :02:12.correspond with the ferry timetables, which makes it difficult

:02:12. > :02:16.for people to travel. I have written to the Irish government asking them

:02:16. > :02:19.to deal with the situation but can I ask you whether you would consider

:02:19. > :02:25.discussing this issue with the government of Ireland to ensure that

:02:25. > :02:34.the situation is improved? I have asked this informally already and I

:02:34. > :02:38.have raised this with them. The reason that the station has been

:02:38. > :02:42.discussed and relation to the morning ferry, is a train link in

:02:42. > :02:48.the morning but with the later ferry, there isn't that link. This

:02:48. > :02:57.has been a problem for around 20 years but it isn't a situation that

:02:58. > :03:07.is beneficial. In terms of people travelling on the trains on that

:03:08. > :03:10.

:03:10. > :03:15.side of the sea, there are no plans to withdraw that service. Thank

:03:15. > :03:23.you. First Minister, the work has just been completed on jewel in rail

:03:23. > :03:32.tracks. I was pleased to visit the bridge to see the works. The impact

:03:32. > :03:42.of this programme funded by the Welsh Government. Can you give me an

:03:42. > :03:42.

:03:42. > :03:47.update on whether services will be met with fewer cancellations?

:03:47. > :03:52.has been agreed is that there will be six trains stopping in every

:03:52. > :04:00.direction during the week. There will be one service from Cardiff to

:04:00. > :04:04.Swansea, which will be extended to lie mentally and there will be a

:04:04. > :04:11.better service which has been agreed with Riva trains without any

:04:11. > :04:18.additional cost to the taxpayer. That improvement that Keith Davies

:04:18. > :04:23.has referred to is going to ensure that improved or enhanced train

:04:23. > :04:28.services can be provided. As he given any consideration to devolving

:04:28. > :04:31.the functions of network rail, such as the situation is in Scotland? Do

:04:31. > :04:37.you believe that would lead to further investment in Wales? What

:04:37. > :04:47.isn't clear is whether that would mean there would be money available

:04:47. > :04:56.to us to be invested in the railways in Wales. We are looking to support

:04:56. > :05:00.schemes but it's not clear. Will the First Minister please make a

:05:00. > :05:06.statement on grass-roots sport participation across Wales?

:05:06. > :05:09.support the developer to grass-roots sport across Wales. We want to

:05:09. > :05:14.ensure that young people have good quality opportunities to participate

:05:14. > :05:20.in a range of sports. I would like to thank him for his answer. Last

:05:20. > :05:26.week I had the pleasure of hosting an event in the Senedd to mark the

:05:26. > :05:27.launch of a report covering the first ten years of a McDonald's

:05:27. > :05:36.grass-roots football partnership, spearheaded by Sir Geoff Hurst and

:05:36. > :05:44.Ian Rush amongst others. I'm sure that you will share my

:05:44. > :05:50.disappointment in News of the last 24 hours of the sad demise of

:05:50. > :05:56.Llanelli AFC but we have seen a number of after-school sports clubs

:05:56. > :06:01.increase by 12,000. Given the increase in success in Wales's

:06:01. > :06:04.national football teams, which is to be commended, and the role the

:06:04. > :06:08.grass-roots sport plays in sustaining that for the future, what

:06:08. > :06:15.measures is your government prepared to undertake to deliver and ensure

:06:15. > :06:18.the continuity of that success in the future? The schools and physical

:06:18. > :06:26.activity work unfinished group -- task unfinished group has been

:06:26. > :06:31.established. This year sport Wales will invest �5.3 million in the

:06:31. > :06:35.governing bodies to support grassroots development. That covers

:06:35. > :06:39.a wide range of sport and I was pleased to be in Newport last

:06:39. > :06:46.Saturday where I opened the National football Centre at Dragon Park,

:06:46. > :06:49.which will be a fantastic facility to develop high-level foot all and

:06:49. > :06:56.in terms of providing access to that high-level for youngsters across

:06:56. > :06:58.Wales. One of the issues that has arisen recently with schools and

:06:58. > :07:02.getting kids engaging with playing soccer is the availability of land

:07:02. > :07:05.unsuitable football pitches. With the growth of demand, local

:07:05. > :07:12.authorities are doing an excellent job at it seems to be there is an

:07:12. > :07:21.opportunity for a review of the availability and suitability of

:07:21. > :07:28.sports pictures with a view to the use of public land and so on.

:07:28. > :07:35.noticed the member used the word soccer which I think has caused a

:07:35. > :07:39.frenzy of indignity sometimes. I think we mean association football -

:07:39. > :07:45.let's be clear. There are difficulties in playing regular

:07:45. > :07:49.matches, particularly when there is bad weather. Sport Wales are

:07:49. > :07:52.currently carrying out a mapping exercise of the state of our sports

:07:52. > :07:55.facilities across Wales and that will help to inform those partner

:07:55. > :08:04.organisations in the future as to what resources will need to be

:08:04. > :08:08.invested in order to bring those up to scratch. First Minister, local

:08:08. > :08:13.amateur sports clubs and leaves in Cardiff are seriously concerned by

:08:13. > :08:18.the Labour-controlled council decision to impose large increases

:08:18. > :08:24.at in fees for sports facilities. These will damage grass-roots sports

:08:24. > :08:30.and send out the wrong message at a time when health is high on the

:08:30. > :08:36.agenda and we are trying to build on the Olympic legacy. Will the First

:08:36. > :08:40.Minister join me in condemning these unpopular, unwise and unfair charges

:08:40. > :08:50.on grass-roots sports in Cardiff? That is a matter for Cardiff

:08:50. > :08:52.

:08:52. > :08:55.Council. I am and always have been a rugby fan, first and foremost, but I

:08:55. > :09:03.don't think you need to be a big fan of football to realise the inner

:09:03. > :09:07.equable treatment it does receive. The Welsh Rugby union reportedly

:09:07. > :09:12.gave �27 million to grass-roots Welsh rugby clubs, with significant

:09:12. > :09:16.millions going directly to community rugby. We've heard what you plan to

:09:16. > :09:19.do to improve the grass-roots football game in Wales but do you

:09:19. > :09:25.plan on beating with the two Premier League clubs and the football

:09:25. > :09:30.Association of Wales to see how best your government, and football, can

:09:30. > :09:37.work together to improve the game for all, to ensure that future

:09:37. > :09:42.Gareth Bales can stay in Wales? meet with the clubs regularly and I

:09:42. > :09:45.met with the FA last Saturday and we were able to contribute �400,000 to

:09:45. > :09:52.the building of Dragon Park, which demonstrates the Welsh Government's

:09:52. > :09:54.commitment to development in football in Wales. Following David

:09:55. > :09:59.Cameron's projection of Tanni Grey-Thompson as the chair of us

:09:59. > :10:06.ought England despite being recommended for the appointment by

:10:07. > :10:12.the appointing panel, will there be more opportunities for Ross in Wales

:10:12. > :10:19.to use her in grass-roots sports participation? -- rejection of Tanni

:10:19. > :10:23.Grey-Thompson as the chair of Sport England. I hope she will be of great

:10:23. > :10:27.use to us. We would certainly consider the best way to use her

:10:28. > :10:30.wealth of experience in the future. We now move to questions from the

:10:30. > :10:39.party leaders and first this afternoon, the leader of the

:10:39. > :10:42.opposition. First Minister, last week your flagship housing scheme

:10:42. > :10:46.was cancelled by your government after months of stalling. The day

:10:46. > :10:50.before, your flagship employment scheme Genesis was scrapped as well

:10:50. > :10:58.and you chose to break the UK government. Why was your housing

:10:58. > :11:03.scheme, after months of stalling, shelled last week? Events have

:11:03. > :11:08.overtaken us in terms of the UK government scheme. Consideration is

:11:08. > :11:13.now being given to an interim scheme to help those who would have been

:11:13. > :11:15.helped but clearly the scheme could not continue given the fact that the

:11:15. > :11:25.housebuilders Federation and the Council of mortgage lenders they

:11:25. > :11:30.couldn't support it. Thank you but that scheme would have made a

:11:30. > :11:33.difference in a stagnant housing market where a first-time buyer

:11:34. > :11:37.today is 36 years old. It cannot be the case that the housebuilders'

:11:37. > :11:41.Federation did not support the scheme. The managing director of a

:11:41. > :11:46.building company said they wanted the skin to start on June three and

:11:46. > :11:50.said he was sure every developer in Wales still supported the scheme.

:11:50. > :11:54.The Royal certified Institute of surveyors said, " we believe that

:11:54. > :11:57.this scheme would have worked well in conjunction with the help to buy

:11:57. > :12:03.as the scheme together would have addressed both the new-build market

:12:03. > :12:08.and the second home market". Is it not the case that you clearly have

:12:08. > :12:12.failed to offer any support to the housing market here in Wales and is

:12:12. > :12:19.it not the case that, again, your government has failed to deliver for

:12:19. > :12:23.the people of Wales when in your opening remarks to years ago, you

:12:23. > :12:29.talked about the mantra of delivery for the people of Wales. -- two

:12:29. > :12:34.years ago. His party introduced the bedroom tax so how can he talk about

:12:34. > :12:37.putting roofs over people's heads? The Council of mortgage lenders and

:12:37. > :12:41.the house builders Federation both said in writing, because I've seen

:12:41. > :12:46.the letters, that they could not support the scheme in its present

:12:46. > :12:50.guise because of the introduction of the UK scheme. No minister could

:12:50. > :12:53.ignore that, which is why the Minister made clear that we are now

:12:53. > :13:00.looking at a different scheme that could be fermented to prove more

:13:00. > :13:06.attractive to those two bodies. just quoted the regional director of

:13:06. > :13:14.a building company and he has quoted colleagues of his who shared his

:13:14. > :13:18.discuss. -- discussed. We've also is shown what the surveyors have been

:13:18. > :13:22.saying about this scheme. As I said to you time and time again, there is

:13:22. > :13:26.no change in the mantra of your government and previous Assembly

:13:26. > :13:28.Government and you are failing to deliver for the people of Wales. The

:13:28. > :13:35.Scottish Government see no compromise in their scheme and they

:13:35. > :13:40.are happy to run the two schemes in parallel. Why is it the case that

:13:40. > :13:44.time and time again when you bring policies forward, they fall at the

:13:44. > :13:48.first hurdle? �36 million last week shelved because of the Genesis back

:13:48. > :13:51.to work programme failure and the house builders are having to face

:13:51. > :14:01.the same inadequacies from your government. Is it not quite simply

:14:01. > :14:02.

:14:02. > :14:08.that as the regional director of Red Row Homes said, it simply is not

:14:08. > :14:15.good enough? If the director of Red Row Homes disagrees with

:14:15. > :14:17.Housebuilders' Federation, he should say so. Either the Housebuilders'

:14:17. > :14:20.Federation cars in some way untruthful or they are not

:14:20. > :14:30.representing their members. That is something for them and Red Row

:14:30. > :14:34.Homes. We will consider it as we continue scheme in place. We have

:14:34. > :14:38.all seen what happens when his party runs things in London. We all see

:14:38. > :14:41.the mess that's been made of the economy. The real problem with the

:14:41. > :14:47.housing market is that people don't have access to credit, don't have

:14:47. > :14:52.money, can't buy houses, and that's all down to his party. The leader of

:14:52. > :14:57.Plaid Cymru, Leanne Wood. First Minister, the secretary of state

:14:57. > :15:00.tells us that there is a recovery taking place in Wales. However the

:15:00. > :15:04.shadow secretary of state for Wales says that Wales's living standards

:15:05. > :15:09.have fallen and have been falling faster than almost every other part

:15:09. > :15:14.of Europe. Can you tell us, who do you agree with - your spokesperson

:15:14. > :15:19.in Westminster or the UK government? I'm always asked to

:15:19. > :15:23.agree with somebody in Westminster. I agree with the secretary of state

:15:23. > :15:27.in terms of what he says about the economy. One of the biggest tests

:15:27. > :15:32.the leader of the opposition will face is when and if his party decide

:15:32. > :15:36.to support the abolition of stand duty. We could do a tremendous

:15:36. > :15:39.amount with stamp duty to help the housing market. Will his party

:15:39. > :15:44.deliver on it? We will wait and see whether he can deliver on something

:15:44. > :15:50.that he supported or will his secretary of state leave him high

:15:50. > :15:54.and dry? The reality is, with the reality is that the economy has

:15:54. > :16:04.faced since 2008, the leader of Plaid Cymru will be fully aware of

:16:04. > :16:10.

:16:11. > :16:17.what we have done to assist people. Under employment is part of the

:16:17. > :16:21.productive gap in Wales that only leaves 134,000 people are under

:16:21. > :16:25.employed, an increase of 50,000 since before the recession began.

:16:25. > :16:30.These are hard working people who want to work or people doing jobs

:16:30. > :16:38.for which they're overqualified. If our country cannot reach its

:16:38. > :16:41.potential at all, if our people are not reaching their potential. A

:16:41. > :16:46.Plaid Cymru government would work with businesses to help with child

:16:46. > :16:50.care and fight for research and development jobs and work with small

:16:50. > :16:57.businesses to create work. What are you doing to tackle this problem?

:16:57. > :17:06.All these things. When we look at the past, I do believe Plaid Cymru

:17:06. > :17:13.are guilty of some kind of amnesia, because they were in charge then.

:17:13. > :17:22.She asked about qualifications, we have the apprenticeship schemes and

:17:22. > :17:29.we have finance Wales the the growth fund and loans to SMEs and the

:17:29. > :17:36.Digital Development Fund and we saw good news yesterday with the

:17:36. > :17:42.announcement by Ford and we have helped Airbus and of course we will

:17:42. > :17:51.be supporting Horizon as they place jobs in Anglesey. It is good to hear

:17:51. > :17:54.you're supporting so many of Plaid Cymru's ideas. A survey by the

:17:54. > :18:01.Federation of Master Builders said the construction industry is more

:18:01. > :18:08.positive about the future of the economy. It is good news which could

:18:08. > :18:12.be related to the Welsh Government's announcement in support of Plaid

:18:12. > :18:17.Cymru's plan to have better use of the public pound. But the BBC

:18:17. > :18:22.reports only two out of 22 local authorities in Wales are meeting

:18:22. > :18:29.these public procurement standards. First Minister, are you now prepared

:18:29. > :18:34.to fully back Plaid Cymru's proposals and agree to legislate to

:18:34. > :18:38.improve public sector procurement. Sometimes it is like those people

:18:38. > :18:48.who turn up at a bar and they're always late and say, I'm too late to

:18:48. > :18:50.

:18:50. > :18:59.buy the round. None of these are Plaid Cymru idea, the apprentice

:18:59. > :19:05.ship is not a Plaid Cymru idea. But I'm surprised to hear that support

:19:05. > :19:09.for Wylfa B is a Plaid Cymru idea. That is something new. If that is

:19:09. > :19:13.the situation, I very much welcome that. It would provide jobs in

:19:13. > :19:17.Anglesey and beyond and we are committed to supporting it. As I

:19:17. > :19:23.have said many times, there are many schemes in place helping businesses

:19:23. > :19:27.in Wales and we see examples such as Ford yesterday and where more than

:19:27. > :19:34.500 jobs were preserved as a result of Welsh Government action working

:19:34. > :19:44.with that company. Now the leader of the Welsh Liberal Democrats. First

:19:44. > :19:45.

:19:45. > :19:50.Minister, could I return to the issue of help for first time buyers?

:19:50. > :19:53.English first time buyers had a scheme announced by the Westminster

:19:53. > :19:59.Government, discussions between Welsh Liberal Democrat and your

:19:59. > :20:03.Government on a scheme for Wales started in January 2012 and in May

:20:04. > :20:08.2012 you announced help would be available. 12 months down the line,

:20:08. > :20:12.that scheme has collapsed. Why has it taken you 12 months to provide

:20:12. > :20:20.help that first time buyers need and now that you have made reference to

:20:21. > :20:25.an interim scheme, will you assure us that first time buyers won't have

:20:25. > :20:29.to wait another 12 months. reality is that there was a

:20:29. > :20:35.substantial amount of discussion with lenders in Wales and a lot of

:20:35. > :20:40.work put in to put a scheme in. The scheme was scheduled for 3rd June.

:20:41. > :20:44.The UK scheme then of course superseded the original scheme. But

:20:44. > :20:54.I can say that we are now looking to see what scheme might be put in

:20:54. > :21:00.place that would be workable as for as the council of mortgage lenders

:21:00. > :21:07.are concerned. It is crucial you have a good working relationship

:21:07. > :21:12.with potential house builders. You will be aware of the disappointment

:21:12. > :21:18.expressed by Red Row about the collapse of the scheme and are you

:21:18. > :21:23.aware that Taylor Wimpey on their web-site is still advertising a

:21:23. > :21:28.scheme that your Government scrapped? What discussions have you

:21:28. > :21:36.had with those people that will build these homes to ensure that we

:21:36. > :21:41.won't see another fiasco and this interim scheme not developing into

:21:41. > :21:43.real help? It comes down to question as to whether the householder --

:21:43. > :21:49.house builders federation have represented the view of their

:21:49. > :21:53.members. I have seen what has been put down, Read Row have said

:21:53. > :21:57.something different and that is a matter for them to take up with the

:21:57. > :22:01.house builders federation. We have to talk to the industry body. It is

:22:01. > :22:06.useful to know there are companies who are willing to work towards a

:22:06. > :22:12.new scheme. That is something we will with talk -- be talking to them

:22:12. > :22:16.about. I am not clear why you have to speak exclusively to the industry

:22:17. > :22:22.body and not to individual construction companies. So far today

:22:22. > :22:26.we have established that it has taken your Government a year to do

:22:26. > :22:31.nothing. And that tit has collapsed because another government has dared

:22:31. > :22:36.to come up with something better. That aside, and given your

:22:36. > :22:40.announcement on an interim scheme today, when will Welsh first time

:22:40. > :22:45.buyers and the construction industry see a scheme up and working in

:22:45. > :22:52.Wales, a simple date would be a very acceptable answer. Of course, they

:22:52. > :22:56.will have access to the UK scheme. We work with the, with those in the

:22:56. > :23:01.industry to make sure we have a workable scheme. The only thing I

:23:01. > :23:11.have to say is who do you expect us to talk to, if not the industry

:23:11. > :23:15.

:23:15. > :23:22.body. It is a simple assumption to assume they will represent their

:23:22. > :23:29.members. Now to questions on the order papers. Well the First

:23:29. > :23:33.Minister detail what lessons have been learned from the the failure of

:23:33. > :23:38.Genesis Two programme? That is part of arrangements being taken forward

:23:38. > :23:45.with local authorities and those arrangements will be evaluated this

:23:45. > :23:51.year to see better delivery from 2014. Thank you. Lessons do need to

:23:51. > :23:56.be learned. If you look at the figures behind the project, they are

:23:57. > :24:00.staggering, only 5% of original tar get of helping 20,000 people into

:24:00. > :24:03.work has been reached. It is not surprising your Government has

:24:03. > :24:07.pulled the plug on this scheme. How can the people of Wales have

:24:07. > :24:13.confidence in you and the Welsh Government that other schemes being

:24:13. > :24:20.run by the Welsh Government in terms of employment are fit for purpose

:24:20. > :24:28.and not falling at the first hurdle like Genesis Two. Jobs worth Wales

:24:28. > :24:38.is a success. That is one example among many of where this Government

:24:38. > :24:38.

:24:38. > :25:28.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 50 seconds

:25:28. > :25:32.regional variations between the areas this scheme is operating? I

:25:32. > :25:38.have been approached by people who feel it was making a big difference

:25:38. > :25:44.and others felt it was making less of a difference. What lessons can be

:25:44. > :25:48.learned about the difference between different urban and rural locations

:25:48. > :25:53.in the delivery of the scheme? important that we examine why and

:25:53. > :25:57.the member is right, there was a difference in terms of the numbers

:25:57. > :26:00.being assisted through the scheme in different parts. As part of the

:26:00. > :26:04.discussions with the local authorities and as part of thinking

:26:04. > :26:14.on the way forward, that disparity will be examined in order to make

:26:14. > :26:14.

:26:14. > :27:36.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 50 seconds

:27:36. > :27:42.sure it does not happen to the same comparable EU figures shows is

:27:42. > :27:46.although youth unemployment in Wales was far lower than in the borrow,

:27:46. > :27:51.bust and bailed out nations in Greece and Spain, it was higher than

:27:51. > :27:57.the EU average and the UK average. The latest figures show it is still

:27:57. > :28:03.2. 5% higher than in England. For what consideration has the Welsh

:28:03. > :28:10.government given to intergrating its on initiatives with those provided

:28:10. > :28:15.on a UK basis in order to get best bank for the buck? The member

:28:15. > :28:22.assumes the UK Government would want to see that sbe fwrags. --

:28:22. > :28:27.integration. But the Secretary of State for education said he wanted a

:28:27. > :28:33.separate qualification. What I can say in terms of informing member

:28:33. > :28:38.what is has been... Other issues being taken forward, during the

:28:38. > :28:48.apprenticeship work the deputy First Minister announced plans for an

:28:48. > :28:49.

:28:49. > :28:52.additional 40 million for the programme in Wales. A one-off

:28:52. > :28:56.payment for small businesses to cover the time and cost they said

:28:56. > :29:03.were a barrier to recruiting apprentices and money to support

:29:03. > :29:07.those who want to complete their training in waesh. -- Welsh. There

:29:07. > :29:14.is a comprehensive package in place to help young people to get

:29:14. > :29:20.employment. But we don't underestimate the scale of the task.

:29:20. > :29:23.What discussions has the Welsh Government had with the UK

:29:23. > :29:30.Government regarding post offices. We have had no discussion in the

:29:30. > :29:36.last six months. Thank you. The post office in Rhyl is under threat of

:29:36. > :29:41.being moved from a crown post office to that of a franchise. This is part

:29:41. > :29:45.of crown post office attempts to what they say down size their

:29:45. > :29:50.operations. The crown post office in Rhyl is vital to not the centre of

:29:50. > :29:56.Rhyl, but to people in the area who have no access to internet and it is

:29:56. > :30:00.in the poorest part of Wales and a lot of people use it. I stood with

:30:00. > :30:05.the CWU members who walked out as part of their protest at what the

:30:05. > :30:10.crown post office is trying to do. I received a lot of support from

:30:10. > :30:15.people who want to see the post awes if kept open. What cannure

:30:15. > :30:25.Government do to persuade those in the UK Government to listen to

:30:25. > :30:28.

:30:28. > :30:32.people of Rhyl? It is a nod vaulter matter but what we are informed is

:30:32. > :30:42.that the location of any franchise office would depend on the retail

:30:42. > :30:44.

:30:44. > :30:49.partner. -- a non-devolved matter. I see no argument being put forward in

:30:49. > :30:52.favour of change. I'm sure that's something that concerns not just

:30:52. > :30:55.those who work at the Crown Post Office in real that the people of

:30:55. > :31:01.Rhyl themselves and until such an argument is made with some

:31:01. > :31:07.conviction, then I believe things should remain as they are. -- in

:31:07. > :31:10.Rhyl. What specific actions has your government taken to ensure as many

:31:10. > :31:15.public services as possible are delivering throughout post office

:31:15. > :31:25.network? We have the post office diversification awards, which have

:31:25. > :31:29.

:31:29. > :31:35.helped greatly over the years. The awards for the October 2012 rounds

:31:35. > :31:38.were awarded recently. We have assisted post offices in terms of

:31:38. > :31:43.their diversification. It can be difficult because so much business

:31:43. > :31:46.is now conducted online. Rather than try to turn the clock back, what's

:31:46. > :31:54.important is that post offices are able to find you sources of business

:31:54. > :31:58.and thrive as a result. -- new. have a similar problem to the issue

:31:58. > :32:01.that Anne Jones has raised in Neath. Some people say that it was put out

:32:01. > :32:07.to the retail sector, that would be tantamount to marketisation of the

:32:07. > :32:11.post office network. I wondered whether you had any discussions with

:32:11. > :32:16.the UK government in regards to looking at alternative models, be it

:32:16. > :32:24.some kind of works' buy-out, where the cashier's could have some kind

:32:24. > :32:31.of vested interest. -- workers' buy-out. I think there is merit in

:32:31. > :32:35.that. But this is not a matter that we have control over. But I do think

:32:35. > :32:37.it's important where consideration is being given to the change of

:32:37. > :32:43.business model that full consideration is to alternative

:32:43. > :32:50.models. Once that we know are workable. They might well include

:32:50. > :32:53.the model number has described. may be aware that a number of local

:32:53. > :32:58.authorities in England are working with the post office to deliver a

:32:58. > :33:06.wide range of services through local branches. This is a marvel which is

:33:06. > :33:09.being actively marketed by the post office. Would this be transferable

:33:09. > :33:13.to Wales? If it was, it would help to guarantee the future of a large

:33:13. > :33:17.number of post offices while enabling a more efficient and

:33:17. > :33:21.accessible delivery of local government services. It is

:33:21. > :33:26.potentially transferable. It's a for local authorities in terms of how

:33:26. > :33:28.practical such a scheme would be and how they would seek to implement it.

:33:29. > :33:31.But if there are authorities in Wales that would consider such a

:33:31. > :33:38.scheme, it's something we would certainly look to encourage them to

:33:38. > :33:43.take forward. Could the First Minister confirm the position of the

:33:43. > :33:45.Welsh Government is taking regarding the post office network and a

:33:45. > :33:50.potential tie in with credit unions and whether those discussions are

:33:50. > :33:59.not only taking place with the UK government and also directly with

:33:59. > :34:02.the post office itself, especially on having a common IT platform?

:34:02. > :34:10.These matters would help to sustain credit unions' sustainability in the

:34:10. > :34:16.future. About 15 years ago we saw a substantial number of branch closes

:34:16. > :34:21.and post offices were able to offer banking facilities in communities

:34:21. > :34:26.that had lost the bank services. This would be a natural step forward

:34:26. > :34:32.for me in terms of the ability to provide fair financial services to

:34:32. > :34:35.those who live in those communities. What discussions as the Welsh

:34:35. > :34:41.Government had with local authorities regarding changes to

:34:41. > :34:46.Social Security? We've had considerable discussion with VW

:34:47. > :34:54.nanograms, the local authorities involved in the UK government's

:34:54. > :34:59.involved in the welfare reforms. We want to mitigate where we can impact

:34:59. > :35:02.of those changes on Wales. Thank you. No doubt you will be aware that

:35:02. > :35:09.some local authorities in other parts of the UK have already said

:35:09. > :35:12.they intend to adopt and no eviction policy for those who suffer the

:35:12. > :35:17.consequences of the bedroom tax and, of course, your government has set a

:35:17. > :35:20.great deal about the bedroom tax in this Chamber and outside. Will you

:35:20. > :35:27.tell us which social landlords in Wales are also going to adopt this

:35:27. > :35:32.policy? That is a matter for local authorities to decide and I well

:35:32. > :35:35.understand the thinking behind the no eviction policy but it is for

:35:35. > :35:44.each local authority to decide how it wishes to approach this

:35:44. > :35:49.inequitable situation. Some 91,000 people on the housing list in Wales

:35:49. > :35:55.in the 2011 census. It shows many households classed as overcrowded.

:35:55. > :35:57.In my constituency, I see many families absolutely desperate for

:35:57. > :36:03.appropriate sized accommodation and your road housing minister in

:36:03. > :36:07.London, in the last government, said, " we have reiterated time and

:36:07. > :36:12.again the need to ensure that houses that are too large for people's

:36:12. > :36:17.current needs are allocated accordingly". However here, we hear

:36:17. > :36:21.constant scaremongering and only yesterday I note that one of your

:36:21. > :36:28.own departments is now using the Labour pejorative, negative spin

:36:28. > :36:34.classed as bedroom tax. The spare room subsidy is the UK

:36:34. > :36:40.government's... Are you coming to the question? Would you please get

:36:40. > :36:45.to it? First Minister, instead of carping, whingeing and criticising

:36:45. > :36:51.the UK government for actually taking proactive steps, what is your

:36:51. > :36:55.government doing to actually help these families in need? I am truly

:36:55. > :37:00.astounded, I have to say, by that question. I can only assume the

:37:00. > :37:04.member has not had people coming to a surgery, sometimes in tears, who

:37:04. > :37:07.were being affected by the bedroom tax - and we use that term because

:37:07. > :37:11.that's what people call it. We are not going to hide behind

:37:11. > :37:15.bureaucratic jargon. To say on one hand this is a situation where we

:37:15. > :37:19.whingeing and on the other ask what we can do to help these people

:37:19. > :37:22.strikes me as an incredible attitude take. There are many thousands in

:37:22. > :37:27.Wales who will find themselves in a situation where they can't afford to

:37:27. > :37:31.sustain accommodation, put food on the table, cannot afford the

:37:31. > :37:37.everyday necessities of life, purely because of the vindictiveness of her

:37:37. > :37:41.party, while at the same time millionaires get a tax freeze. We're

:37:41. > :37:45.all in it together, they say. Well, just to adapt what George Orwell

:37:45. > :37:51.said, we're all in it together but some people - particularly at the

:37:51. > :37:54.bottom - are more in it than others. Will he make a statement on his role

:37:54. > :37:59.in determining the spending priorities of the Welsh Government?

:37:59. > :38:04.I am ahead of the government so I clearly a key role. As a result of

:38:04. > :38:10.your government's decision that you read, the NHS is facing the biggest

:38:10. > :38:13.cuts in its history. The health trust that serves my constituency is

:38:13. > :38:18.having to find savings of �1.5 million per week in this current

:38:18. > :38:22.financial year. How do you expect them to meet that savings target,

:38:23. > :38:26.given that they have already chopped back significant services which are

:38:26. > :38:32.available to the public and that their reorganisation plans are not

:38:32. > :38:36.about saving money. I seem to be astounded a lot this afternoon but I

:38:36. > :38:40.am again. We have been upfront in terms of the challenges we faced

:38:40. > :38:45.financially. His party has hidden. It has claimed that its increased

:38:45. > :38:48.spending on health but instead, it's cut spending on health and been

:38:48. > :38:52.found out by those bodies that monitor government. That's the

:38:52. > :38:58.reality of the situation. We have sought to protect the health service

:38:58. > :39:02.as best we can. Yes, it is a challenge but the reality of the

:39:02. > :39:07.situation is that his party has no alternatives. Instead it says we

:39:07. > :39:13.should increase Campbell tax by 20%, but education by 20%, cut services

:39:13. > :39:21.by those who are poorest. -- increase council tax and cut

:39:21. > :39:24.education by 20%. We'd love to know how they can do it. We have sought

:39:24. > :39:29.to protect the health service as best we can, given the resources

:39:29. > :39:33.that we have, whereas his party has done its best to pull the wool over

:39:33. > :39:35.people's eyes and whenever this is pointed out to them, they whinge and

:39:35. > :39:38.bone and whenever this is pointed out to them, they win Jan Bowmen

:39:38. > :39:40.tried to show people down. The people of Wales know who is

:39:40. > :39:50.responsible for the problems and the party opposite will find out in

:39:50. > :39:53.

:39:53. > :39:58.2015. -- they whinge and moan. week, a 1200 -year-old tree, one of

:39:58. > :40:02.Europe's oldest, and an icon of the heritage, collapsed. Will you look

:40:02. > :40:08.at the priorities of natural resources in terms of the priority

:40:08. > :40:11.of Heritage trees across our country, examining the strengthening

:40:11. > :40:19.of tree preservation orders or advice for owners, and whether it

:40:19. > :40:24.could help preserve things for the future? I understand what mechanisms

:40:24. > :40:27.are available is currently being investigated. Depending on the

:40:27. > :40:31.conclusions, we will look at what appropriate changes to legislation

:40:31. > :40:35.may be required and if they are, they will be brought forward as soon

:40:35. > :40:38.as possible. Let's leave first Minister's

:40:38. > :40:48.questions there but you can see more coverage of the Assembly online via

:40:48. > :40:49.

:40:49. > :40:52.the BBC Wales Democracy Life page. Let's pick up on some of that with

:40:52. > :40:57.our Welsh affairs editor who has been watching down in the bay. What

:40:57. > :41:05.did you make of that? It was very much a mixed bag. No great themes

:41:05. > :41:08.coming out. A lot of argy-bargy around UK issues like the bedroom

:41:08. > :41:12.tax and government spending cuts from Westminster. I suppose if there

:41:12. > :41:17.was a theme, it was the issue Kirsty Williams and Andrew RT Davies went

:41:17. > :41:24.on which is the cancellation of the scheme to help first-time buyers in

:41:24. > :41:30.Wales. But government says that industry support had disappeared

:41:30. > :41:34.because of the introduction of a UK scheme. The opposition crowed

:41:34. > :41:37.builders who say they still wanted it. I have to say there were letters

:41:37. > :41:41.which the BBC has seen that made it clear from the industry bodies that

:41:41. > :41:45.they felt the scheme couldn't continue, so I think that's why

:41:45. > :41:49.Carwyn Jones was referring to this issue of whether the builders should

:41:49. > :41:51.really be taking it up with their trade bodies and what their trade

:41:51. > :41:56.bodies were saying to the government, rather than complaining

:41:56. > :41:59.about the government. It was interesting because it was too

:41:59. > :42:09.different arguments, and both seemed very sure of their own ground.

:42:09. > :42:09.

:42:09. > :42:11.That's right. Companies like Red Row have said what they have said the

:42:11. > :42:16.government says that flatly contradicts what the government was

:42:16. > :42:21.told by the industry trade bodies. You have to take your choice of what

:42:21. > :42:24.happened here but it seems either that the builders didn't want it but

:42:25. > :42:29.didn't want to be seen to be criticising or abandoning it in

:42:29. > :42:32.public, or there was some disconnect between what their trade bodies were

:42:32. > :42:39.telling the Welsh Government and what they were telling the trade

:42:40. > :42:43.body. Interesting on benefit reform, as well, I thought. A full throttle

:42:43. > :42:47.defence of the Conservative policy of the spare room subsidy, as she

:42:47. > :42:50.calls it, and of course that discussion from Carwyn Jones about

:42:50. > :42:57.the bedroom tax. He wouldn't be Jordan on the no hyphen eviction

:42:57. > :43:02.policy, though. What I found interesting was the framing and the

:43:02. > :43:08.wording of this. Those of us who remember the arguments surrounding

:43:08. > :43:12.the poll tax /community tax charge will remember how important it was

:43:12. > :43:15.in that that the then Labour opposition managed to get it called

:43:15. > :43:19.the poll tax on the streets rather than community charge. That's

:43:20. > :43:25.exactly what's happening here and it does seem that it's the bedroom tax

:43:25. > :43:30.word that is catching on, much to the conservatives' shag run because

:43:30. > :43:35.strictly speaking, it isn't a tax. Another message that language is

:43:35. > :43:37.important. Thank you very much. That's it for today. I'll be back at

:43:37. > :43:42.the same time next week with more coverage of first Minister's

:43:42. > :43:49.questions. If you want more on Welsh politics before them, join me for