:00:11. > :00:17.Who should be the next Prime Minister? This election is about
:00:18. > :00:20.your future. So, who will get your vote on June 8th welcome to Ask The
:00:21. > :00:36.Leader. Good evening. Welcome to Ebbw Vale.
:00:37. > :00:41.In the last of our series, tonight we ask what the Liberal Democrats
:00:42. > :00:44.have to offer. They have shared power the Conservatives in
:00:45. > :00:48.Westminster. But were nearly wiped out at the last election. Is it time
:00:49. > :00:51.for a come back? Please welcome to lead ore the party in Wales, Mark
:00:52. > :01:06.Williams. Our audience is a mix of undecided
:01:07. > :01:12.voters and supporters of the main parties. They have plenty of
:01:13. > :01:23.questions. So, let's kick off with our first question tonight. Good
:01:24. > :01:29.evening, Mr Williams. I and the majority voted to exited the
:01:30. > :01:35.European Union. You were asking for a second referendum. Why can't you
:01:36. > :01:37.accept the decision of the people? Well...
:01:38. > :01:44.Well, thank you for that question. It is not the first time the
:01:45. > :01:47.question has been asked in the last few weeks. I dare say the next
:01:48. > :01:53.couple of weeks that question will be asked again. It is on a second
:01:54. > :01:57.question. I voted remain on June 23rd last year, in good faith, a as
:01:58. > :02:01.you did. I will not say for a start you didn't understand what you were
:02:02. > :02:05.doing because you did. You were voting for exit. Where I think we're
:02:06. > :02:08.in a problem now is the uncertainty as we move forward. It's such an
:02:09. > :02:13.important issue. Such an important issue. We think about the impact of
:02:14. > :02:16.leaving single market, the impact on our farming community, on the
:02:17. > :02:20.manufacturing sector, with the support we've had in the past from
:02:21. > :02:24.Europe will come forward again. We don't know what the terms will look
:02:25. > :02:30.like. Yes, the country voted for departure. But the destination was
:02:31. > :02:34.unclear. And that's why I believe that the country should have the
:02:35. > :02:38.vote. I should say from the outset, there will be a vote because Mrs May
:02:39. > :02:42.has conceded there'll be a vote in the House of Commons. Whether it is
:02:43. > :02:46.me or Members of Parliament elected, when the negotiations conclude,
:02:47. > :02:50.there'll be a vote on the terms of the negotiations. The question the
:02:51. > :02:55.public need to reflect on is whether that should be a vote for
:02:56. > :02:58.politicians alone or yourself? I just believe that if democracy
:02:59. > :03:04.started the process, and the country did speak. My area didn't. Your area
:03:05. > :03:07.did. I am very mindful. I had to walk down Ebbw Vale high street and
:03:08. > :03:11.people were strong in their opinions, as one would expect them.
:03:12. > :03:13.With democracy started the process and I believe it should end the
:03:14. > :03:23.process as well. The gentleman at the back. The
:03:24. > :03:29.destination was leave, leave all of it. So, what's the point of electing
:03:30. > :03:34.Members of Parliament if you're going to keep giving us referendums
:03:35. > :03:39.until you get what you want? I don't accept. That again it is a
:03:40. > :03:44.fair point and a point that's been made repeatedly. I don't think we
:03:45. > :03:47.can understate the enormity of the decision that is before us. 40
:03:48. > :03:52.years, some would say 40 bad years. Others would say 40 years in which
:03:53. > :03:57.money has come into Wales. Money we have relied on. Are we going to
:03:58. > :04:02.allow that to go by issuing just a very clear bank cheque for Theresa
:04:03. > :04:06.May to negotiate and conclude as she sees fit? That is what is asked of
:04:07. > :04:11.you. This is a Brexit general election. That is why it was called.
:04:12. > :04:16.Theresa May is asking for a blank cheque. I don't think many of you
:04:17. > :04:22.would give people blank cheques if you didn't have some indication of
:04:23. > :04:27.what the outcome would look like. Mark Williams n your Welsh manifesto
:04:28. > :04:33.today and in your UK manifesto, you talk about a second referendum A
:04:34. > :04:39.ratification. In case it wrecks the future of the children. Is that not
:04:40. > :04:43.scaremongering. It is emotive language. I accept that. This is
:04:44. > :04:48.about the future, the children are our future. When I talk to farmers
:04:49. > :04:53.who are very concerned about what the payment regime will look like in
:04:54. > :04:58.the future, when I talk to businesses and communities that have
:04:59. > :05:01.benefitted from convergence funding, and this area, as you know, has
:05:02. > :05:06.benefitted from funding from Europe as well, there are many, many
:05:07. > :05:10.unanswered questions. We need the assurances that funding support, the
:05:11. > :05:16.support for manufacturing industry, through the single market, or as the
:05:17. > :05:19.First Minister says and I applaud him for saying it access to the
:05:20. > :05:24.single market. We need those assurances. There are worries. This
:05:25. > :05:29.is why we need clear opposition in the House of Commons. Not to
:05:30. > :05:32.obstruct Brexit, but to ask constructive questions about our
:05:33. > :05:41.future. Let's take a few points. The lady at the back. Money has been
:05:42. > :05:49.used so far, given that the schools, there is one being built elsewhere,
:05:50. > :05:54.however we haven't the jobs in the area for people leaving these
:05:55. > :06:05.schools to benefit from. And the two train stations in Ebbw Vale, they
:06:06. > :06:11.are taking people out to look for employment in the cities. However,
:06:12. > :06:16.we need them here. With regards to Brexit and you mention farming, I
:06:17. > :06:21.live on the border. Much of my shopping is done in Herefordshire. I
:06:22. > :06:25.cannot find Welsh lamb in the supermarkets in England. So, why are
:06:26. > :06:30.we worrying about trying to sell to Europe when we are not doing it
:06:31. > :06:34.within the UK? We worry about the future of the lamb market in Europe
:06:35. > :06:39.because 93% of our lamb currently goes to that market of 500 million
:06:40. > :06:42.people. You are quite right, there is promotion which needs to be done
:06:43. > :06:46.in the United Kingdom. I agree with that. There is promotion. Let's not
:06:47. > :06:49.lose sight of where the markets are that are benefiting Welsh farmers
:06:50. > :06:54.now and they are largely European ones at the moment. That is not to
:06:55. > :06:58.say there are not opportunities. I give that seed of doubt that we need
:06:59. > :07:03.those markets about they are not guaranteed. That causes huge worry.
:07:04. > :07:06.The question the lady made. It was a valid point about jobs. When I talk
:07:07. > :07:12.to people in Ebbw Vale a few months ago when I was here, people were not
:07:13. > :07:16.acknowledging that money had not come, but were concerned about how
:07:17. > :07:21.local people didn't input into the way that that money was spent.
:07:22. > :07:25.Moving forward, if the Conservative Party, if the Conservative Party are
:07:26. > :07:29.going to give us the equivalent of monies that we've had from Europe,
:07:30. > :07:31.we need the assurances that local people are fully and appropriately
:07:32. > :07:34.consulted in the way that money is spent. That is a big issue in this
:07:35. > :07:42.community. You talk about the money the EU have
:07:43. > :07:46.given us. It is our money to begin with. It is our money they have
:07:47. > :07:51.given us back. All I would say is that Wales, the figures have proved
:07:52. > :07:58.it has been a net beneficialry over and above the money we have
:07:59. > :08:01.contributed. The money we've had, years we live in, have benefitted
:08:02. > :08:06.more than the money we have sent. More money has come into our
:08:07. > :08:10.economy. Still a small proportion of public spending though. The lady at
:08:11. > :08:13.the back. Alongside the Brexit negotiation should we take the
:08:14. > :08:18.opportunity to educate ourselves and understand better the impact that
:08:19. > :08:22.leaving the EU will have on trade? We talk about jobs, we may not
:08:23. > :08:27.direct I will be trading ourselves, but actually to understand the true
:08:28. > :08:31.value trade has on the economy in the UK and specifically on Wales, so
:08:32. > :08:38.we understand what Brexit means to us? It is the route issue. We a
:08:39. > :08:43.trading nation. We have to trade. That argument is well placed. I hear
:08:44. > :08:48.a lot. Let's get to the nub of the issue. We can talk as politicians do
:08:49. > :08:55.about the jargon, this, at the end of the day, is about people's jobs
:08:56. > :08:59.and livelihoods. If we, if the negotiations are concluded, when Mrs
:09:00. > :09:04.May wanted them to, the divorce proceedings and the trade
:09:05. > :09:07.negotiations running together, within two years, maybe, all the
:09:08. > :09:10.worries are not valid. That will not happen. The negotiations are not
:09:11. > :09:13.going to be concluded within two years. Partly because we are having
:09:14. > :09:19.a general election now. The trade will not follow on. Therefore, Welsh
:09:20. > :09:24.products will be subjected to World Trade Organisation tariffs, with
:09:25. > :09:30.possibly dire implications for 43% on agricultural products. That is a
:09:31. > :09:33.real and genuine concern. You worry about the timetable but a second
:09:34. > :09:37.referendum would make it even longer. There'll be a vote in the
:09:38. > :09:41.House of Commons. I go back to my original point. If it is good enough
:09:42. > :09:45.for politicians to have a vote on the terms whenever they are
:09:46. > :09:49.concluded, I think as we proceed there may be more of an appetite for
:09:50. > :09:57.the general public to look at these issues than currently perhaps the
:09:58. > :10:03.polls are suggesting. Two points. Will you have a referendum until you
:10:04. > :10:09.get the right answer? Can I say, no, I lead the Welsh Liberal Democrats.
:10:10. > :10:15.I give that assurance. About half a billion pounds has been spent in
:10:16. > :10:23.Blaenau Gwent. We have not benefitted from jobs.
:10:24. > :10:28.Why is that money wasted in Blaenau Gwent? The message loud and clear
:10:29. > :10:37.from the audience. On to our third question. Time is flying. And from
:10:38. > :10:42.David Simpson. When will politicians venture beyond political correctness
:10:43. > :10:48.and tackle the critical problem of Islamic Jihadist terrorism? Well,
:10:49. > :10:53.it's a very profound question in a very profound week indeed. I think
:10:54. > :10:57.we were all, every one of us here, all viewers were horrified by what
:10:58. > :11:01.we saw in Manchester. As a politician, who was in the House of
:11:02. > :11:06.Commons on the day the House of Commons was attacked and a brave
:11:07. > :11:09.police officer lost his life and pedestrians on Westminster Bridge,
:11:10. > :11:15.the emotions are very raw for many of us. And I think, I don't know, I
:11:16. > :11:18.will use the term political correctness, but what I am saying is
:11:19. > :11:22.we need to address the issues full on. I am not sure the stuff we've
:11:23. > :11:25.had today in the papers about extra police officers is necessarily the
:11:26. > :11:32.answer. Though that is an important bit of it. When you hear statistics
:11:33. > :11:37.like, for instance at MI5 are looking at 5,000 individuals around
:11:38. > :11:41.the country. When they foiled, I think six or seven terrorist attacks
:11:42. > :11:47.since the London attack, you know that this issue is very real and
:11:48. > :11:51.very live. And I believe that it has to come from a community-based
:11:52. > :11:55.approach. The Government have a prevent scheme, which is designed to
:11:56. > :12:01.alert the security forces to activity which could lead to
:12:02. > :12:05.terrorism. I believe that we need to have a more robust community-based
:12:06. > :12:08.approach of identifying potential terrorists and dealing with them.
:12:09. > :12:12.Just on the police, you mention there, are you saying you don't want
:12:13. > :12:16.extra police? No. No. I don't think that is the whole solution. It is
:12:17. > :12:23.easy to say recruit more police officers. My party's committed to an
:12:24. > :12:27.extra 276 million on more police officers. In Wales, ?7. 57 million.
:12:28. > :12:32.That is very important. Very valid. There is certainly a case for giving
:12:33. > :12:35.more resources to MI5 to tackle the 3,000 individuals that they are
:12:36. > :12:39.working on at the moment. It is a worrying figure.
:12:40. > :12:43.And you know... The most frightening thing of all, I could walk around my
:12:44. > :12:49.area. You could walk around yours. We don't know - that is the worrying
:12:50. > :12:53.thing. When the way in which people have been, what's the word,
:12:54. > :12:59.fundamentalised. Radicalised, we don't know. I am afraid that's why
:13:00. > :13:06.MI5 need extra resources as do our security sources. 3500 they do know
:13:07. > :13:10.that are under some sort of surveillance, 3500, when are one of
:13:11. > :13:14.the political parties going to see past political correctness and get
:13:15. > :13:20.on with the job of actually dealing with this? That was the question. It
:13:21. > :13:23.will not be yourself. I don't disagree with what you are saying. I
:13:24. > :13:28.want the security forces to do what you say. We need the resources. It
:13:29. > :13:34.is very chilling indeed when we have heard that the young coward that did
:13:35. > :13:43.what he did in Manchester was already known to MI5 and somehow
:13:44. > :13:47.escaped the... Why do we always have to wait, when that person who is
:13:48. > :13:53.known to the security people? Why do we always have to wait? My thoughts
:13:54. > :13:56.are, I have just sent a message to our local MP asking him, put
:13:57. > :14:00.pressure on the UK Government, because if we know these people are
:14:01. > :14:07.in this country, then surely there must be some kind of law that they
:14:08. > :14:10.would be able to actually detain them if they. If they are not
:14:11. > :14:14.British citizens I believe they should be deported. If they are
:14:15. > :14:16.British it is Seines they should go to Her Majesty's pleasure. They
:14:17. > :14:28.should not be walking our streets. This is not an issue unique to
:14:29. > :14:31.people overseas. People are radicalised within the country and
:14:32. > :14:36.that needs to be dealt with. You said extra money for the
:14:37. > :14:41.intelligence services. Yet when it came to the investigatetory powers
:14:42. > :14:44.bill which some called the snoopers charter, perhaps many of your party
:14:45. > :14:48.supporters did, you voted against it. Let's be mindful of the fact
:14:49. > :14:53.that the civil Lib aerts these people are out to destroy, by their
:14:54. > :14:57.actions, by the thuggery, the terrorism and the murder, we need to
:14:58. > :15:02.be mindful of the need to protect civil liberties because if they are
:15:03. > :15:06.destroyed or removed, that allows themes to win, that's why it was
:15:07. > :15:11.wholly appropriate to have three days in effect of mourning and
:15:12. > :15:15.solidarity with our brothers and sisters in Manchester, but the
:15:16. > :15:18.democratic process has to carry on. Otherwise they will win. Let's take
:15:19. > :15:22.a point from the back there. Thank you. Although I agree that in the
:15:23. > :15:27.short-term obviously it's important to monitor the people that are seen
:15:28. > :15:31.to be radicalised and arrest them if needs be, surely we should be
:15:32. > :15:34.thinking long-term, how do these people get radicalised in the first
:15:35. > :15:37.place? People always talk about immigration but I think the main
:15:38. > :15:40.problem is the integration. These people feel they're not part of
:15:41. > :15:43.British society, they feel because they're Muslim they're seen as
:15:44. > :15:47.different to most people in Britain. The main solution to this long-term,
:15:48. > :15:52.rather than locking everyone away who has a radical opinion as to why
:15:53. > :15:54.do they get radicalised and how can we integrate them more into British
:15:55. > :15:57.society? APPLAUSE
:15:58. > :16:05.I think you are right, let's be clear, when we are talking about the
:16:06. > :16:07.3500 people we are talking about those extremely divisive damaging
:16:08. > :16:12.individuals imaginable. I agree with you, and that's why I go back to
:16:13. > :16:18.what I said at the start about a strong community-based approach.
:16:19. > :16:23.That is essential too. The idea that we can tar Muslims p per se with
:16:24. > :16:28.what has happened is a disgrace. Others in other political parties
:16:29. > :16:30.have allowed that and that must not be allowed to be perpetuated.
:16:31. > :16:35.APPLAUSE Thank you very much. We move on to
:16:36. > :16:43.the next question from Martin. Welcome to Ebbw Vale. Thank you. As
:16:44. > :16:46.a wheelchair user I don't trust the Conservatives with their welfare
:16:47. > :16:52.cuts. You went into power with the Conservatives, why should I trust
:16:53. > :16:54.you now? Well, can I just say the circumstances are different, perhaps
:16:55. > :16:57.a politician would say that, wouldn't he? Seven years on from
:16:58. > :17:03.going into the coalition with the Tory Party, some of us bear the
:17:04. > :17:08.scars of that particular episode in my party's history. My leader
:17:09. > :17:14.incidentally has been very clear that will not happen again and I
:17:15. > :17:18.will reiterate tonight, no coalition with Jeremy Corbyn, no coalition
:17:19. > :17:22.with Theresa May. There were aspects of the coalition Government which
:17:23. > :17:26.quite frankly were deplorable, there were successes but there were others
:17:27. > :17:30.- I cite one thing, the bedroom tax, something that I voted against in
:17:31. > :17:34.the House of Commons and I am very glad that, been a catch-up perhaps
:17:35. > :17:39.now with my party, the party would scrap it because it was a damaging
:17:40. > :17:43.ill-conceived policy and would never work because we haven't got the
:17:44. > :17:47.housing stock to move people. There are reform that is we need to push
:17:48. > :17:51.forward, not least the work capability assessment which many
:17:52. > :17:56.people are subjected to, doesn't work, is damaging, is cruel, and it
:17:57. > :18:01.needs to be replaced. Many of the cuts that the Tory Party, many of
:18:02. > :18:05.the cuts the Tory Party on things like universe credit, ESA,
:18:06. > :18:09.system-21-year-olds in housing benefit, need to be reversed and my
:18:10. > :18:15.party is committed to reverse them. You touch on something else, and
:18:16. > :18:20.it's called trust. And I am new to this job, the leader of my party,
:18:21. > :18:23.the Welsh political party, the Welsh Liberal Democrats, and that's your
:18:24. > :18:28.call. You just have to make that judgment. But what I can assure sup
:18:29. > :18:36.that the notion of my party going into coalition with the Tory Party
:18:37. > :18:42.will not happen again on my watch. What about... Coalition witness We
:18:43. > :18:45.have one member of the nab Assembly, the First Minister I think made a
:18:46. > :18:48.wise choice in... But that's a coalition, isn't it. You are in bed
:18:49. > :18:54.with Labour in Cardiff Bay, aren't you? I think that expression in bed
:18:55. > :19:00.with is such a crude expression in terms of political relationships.
:19:01. > :19:04.The First Minister made a choice of a person, my party reinforced that.
:19:05. > :19:08.This is a Westminster election. This is a Westminster election on June
:19:09. > :19:13.8th when there has been all sorts of nonsense talked about, coalitions of
:19:14. > :19:16.chaos, Liberals marching around with Nicola Sturgeon and Leanne Wood and
:19:17. > :19:19.Jeremy Corbyn, that's not going to happen. An old Tory line that had
:19:20. > :19:23.some effect at the last general election, we are not having a
:19:24. > :19:27.coalition, my party needs to have an election whatever you think of it,
:19:28. > :19:32.fought on its own principles, its own convictions. OK. We will see
:19:33. > :19:37.what happens as a consequence. Are you convinced? No, not really. I can
:19:38. > :19:41.remember when you said about the tuition fees, you know and then what
:19:42. > :19:46.you did to students was disgusting, getting into bed with the Tories,
:19:47. > :19:49.that was disgusting. Would you honestly prefer Theresa May as Prime
:19:50. > :19:53.Minister than having a coalition with Jeremy Corbyn? Would you rather
:19:54. > :19:56.see the Conservatives in? APPLAUSE
:19:57. > :20:00.I am not having a coalition with anybody. You would rather see the
:20:01. > :20:04.Tories? We will fight our own principles and convictions... You
:20:05. > :20:07.would rather see a Tory Government continue to do... I have spent my
:20:08. > :20:10.political life fighting the Tories and being part of a coalition with
:20:11. > :20:14.the Tory Party was a horrible experience. What about the question?
:20:15. > :20:18.On the issue of tuition fees? No, the question on would you rather a
:20:19. > :20:23.Conservative Government than a coalition with Jeremy Corbyn? I have
:20:24. > :20:28.always identified myself on the progressive left of British
:20:29. > :20:32.politics. Therefore, you can take it, any way you want... Would you
:20:33. > :20:37.prefer a Tory Government or a coalition with Labour Government? I
:20:38. > :20:39.want a Liberal one, might seem far off, I want a Liberal one.
:20:40. > :20:42.APPLAUSE Can I just say on the issue of
:20:43. > :20:45.tuition fees, you are right to raise that issue and I have to say the
:20:46. > :20:51.issue of trust, Liberal Democrats got a lot it answer for on the issue
:20:52. > :20:57.of trust because of what happened. I and... They wanted a Liberal
:20:58. > :21:00.Government. Let me answer this point first. Two Liberal Democrats
:21:01. > :21:04.colleagues from Wales voted against the Government on tuition fees. And
:21:05. > :21:07.I disagreed with the policy, I disagreed with it fundamentally,
:21:08. > :21:12.it's why I voted against it. Is there anything you did agree with
:21:13. > :21:17.the Conservative Party? Well, it's interesting, interesting things, now
:21:18. > :21:21.you see the Tory Party are trying to jettison thing. We issued the
:21:22. > :21:25.raising of tax thresholds, the Tories now claim it as their own.
:21:26. > :21:27.The Tories now want to damage the triple lock on pensions. A Liberal
:21:28. > :21:31.Democrats policy, they want to reduce it to a double lock, whatever
:21:32. > :21:36.that means. You did have some things in common. OK. Let's go to our final
:21:37. > :21:42.question tonight. It comes from Donna.
:21:43. > :21:49.Why do you think people can afford to pay more income tax? I have to
:21:50. > :21:54.say that no one in this room, no one in this room will not be touched
:21:55. > :22:00.with the social care issue facing this country. There is a demographic
:22:01. > :22:04.timebomb in our country and I am afraid politicians of all parties,
:22:05. > :22:07.even some of mine, have failed to address the social care crisis that
:22:08. > :22:13.is hitting this country. They've also failed to address the issue of
:22:14. > :22:17.MEP tal health and the way mental health services are the Cinderella
:22:18. > :22:21.service in the health service. That's why my party has said there
:22:22. > :22:25.should be a tax specifically for one purpose, the one penny on income tax
:22:26. > :22:29.to fund the National Health Service, raise ?6 billion in one year of
:22:30. > :22:33.which ?300 million would come to the Assembly. I am not going to dictate
:22:34. > :22:37.what car win and his colleagues and others spend it on, but ?300 million
:22:38. > :22:41.extra for the National Assembly and I hope they will, I hope there will
:22:42. > :22:44.be public pressure to make them spend those resources. Why do you
:22:45. > :22:48.think we can afford to pay that money? Not what you are going to do
:22:49. > :22:51.with that money if you raise it, how do you think we have that money? I
:22:52. > :22:56.think it will be a huge challenge for many people. It will. I think it
:22:57. > :22:58.is an issue so important, so important, that there is a
:22:59. > :23:02.widespread acknowledgement that something must be done. If you are
:23:03. > :23:08.asking me about pay, then I can tell you for a start that one pence cap,
:23:09. > :23:12.the one penny in the pound on teachers pay on nurses pay, on the
:23:13. > :23:19.public sector... Needs to be increased. How much would that cost,
:23:20. > :23:25.the average wage? ?3 a week. And you would cover the whole range of
:23:26. > :23:28.salaries, why not focus on the richer people like the Labour Party
:23:29. > :23:31.and others are suggesting? I understand that, that is an option.
:23:32. > :23:36.This way I think there is acknowledgement that all families
:23:37. > :23:41.will benefit, all families will appreciate the significance of the
:23:42. > :23:47.small amounts of money. It needs to be vast because of the problem that
:23:48. > :23:53.needs to be solve solved. ?150 for the medium wage in Wales s that too
:23:54. > :24:00.much to pay extra a year? The lady says yes. Why don't you target the
:24:01. > :24:04.companies with profits offshore? There is a welter of tax loopholes
:24:05. > :24:08.that company use that need to be tackled in that way and that could
:24:09. > :24:12.generate extra resources to spend on the National Health Service. Instead
:24:13. > :24:15.of impacting on the general public, the hard working people, you know. I
:24:16. > :24:19.do understand the issue and I understand where you are coming
:24:20. > :24:25.from. I just feel that again, I go back to the fundamental point, this
:24:26. > :24:28.is an issue that will affect everyone of us in this room.
:24:29. > :24:32.Therefore, we need something bold to deal with the problem. I really
:24:33. > :24:37.think that we need to face this issue head on because it is that
:24:38. > :24:41.serious. I have had constituents of mine unable to access any social
:24:42. > :24:45.care at all in the area that I represented, having to travel vast
:24:46. > :24:48.distances to get any care at all. That needs to be addressed. Mental
:24:49. > :24:52.health services that should be available and delivered in the
:24:53. > :24:58.communities in which people live, not 60 or 70 miles away. It is a
:24:59. > :25:01.simple issue. Maybe it's too simplistic the way we are presenting
:25:02. > :25:05.it, we need to tackle this, we need to raise those funds in order for us
:25:06. > :25:08.all to benefit should we need the support. What are you going to say
:25:09. > :25:14.to people who have gone back to work because they believe that's the best
:25:15. > :25:20.thing for them so they can inspire their families, their children to
:25:21. > :25:24.work, social handouts, having to use food banks more? What I am saying is
:25:25. > :25:29.that there are measures in place to support those people, I have talked
:25:30. > :25:33.about lifting caps on some sectors of the economy and those on benefits
:25:34. > :25:37.need to have... That's it. The debate will continue. Thank you to
:25:38. > :25:43.Mark Williams and to our audience here in Ebbw Vale. That's it. You
:25:44. > :25:48.can join Huw Edwards when he will host the BBC Wales leaders debate
:25:49. > :25:54.with all five main Welsh party leaders and an invited audience from
:25:55. > :26:01.across Wales at 8. 8.30pm here on BBC One Wales. From all of us here,
:26:02. > :26:04.Nos, da, good night.