:00:41. > :00:44.Hello and welcome. I am at the Cambridge union building, just down
:00:45. > :00:46.the road from that very lively and passionate debate. Passionate, as I
:00:47. > :00:48.say. A few fireworks. Theresa May didn't turn up but Jeremy Corbyn was
:00:49. > :00:48.there. I am at the Cambridge
:00:49. > :00:51.union building, just down the road from that
:00:52. > :00:53.very lively and Theresa May didn't turn up
:00:54. > :01:01.but Jeremy Corbyn was Let's get a flavour of some of the
:01:02. > :01:04.sparks that flew tonight. This is one exchange between Jeremy Corbyn
:01:05. > :01:07.and Amber Rudd, discussing the need for social care. We are a party who
:01:08. > :01:12.always supports those in most need. And the welfare bill for helping
:01:13. > :01:21.people on disabilities has gone up ?7 billion in the last three years.
:01:22. > :01:25.We will always provide that safety net. Amber, you try to remove safety
:01:26. > :01:30.nets from people on disabilities and turned around on that. You are not
:01:31. > :01:33.credible. I know there is no extra payments you do not want to add, no
:01:34. > :01:36.tax you do not want to rise but the fact is that we have to concentrate
:01:37. > :01:40.our resources on the people who need it most and we have to stop
:01:41. > :01:47.thinking, as you do, that there is a magic money tree. You have to be
:01:48. > :01:51.accountable. Just one of the highlights from the debate this
:01:52. > :01:55.evening. I am pleased to say that Damian Green from the Conservatives
:01:56. > :01:58.as Whitney. We heard Tim Farron in his closing argument is basically
:01:59. > :02:01.say that as far as Theresa May is concerned, she didn't care about the
:02:02. > :02:06.voters because she did not bother turning up tonight. How do you
:02:07. > :02:09.answer that? That is clearly ridiculous, like a lot of what was
:02:10. > :02:12.said during this evening. What you saw tonight illustrated the
:02:13. > :02:16.differences between the parties. Amber Rudd, Carl Manning control,
:02:17. > :02:20.realistic, discussing difficult issues in an adult weight and Jeremy
:02:21. > :02:25.Corbyn, use what is government would be like because although the other
:02:26. > :02:29.parties, by and large, agree on higher taxes, higher spending, more
:02:30. > :02:33.borrowing, higher immigration, they still disliked each other and
:02:34. > :02:37.squabbles. So that was the coalition of chaos made flesh. That is what a
:02:38. > :02:45.Jeremy Corbyn led government would look like. You can see that it is a
:02:46. > :02:49.clear choice for the British people. Emily Thornberry has just turned up
:02:50. > :02:57.in the spin room for an impromptu chat. Yes, Jeremy Corbyn turned up.
:02:58. > :03:02.And the belief, perhaps, from those within the Labour Party, is that
:03:03. > :03:06.that put Theresa May on the back foot. I just don't understand why
:03:07. > :03:13.she was not here. What is she afraid of? I have to say, I think to
:03:14. > :03:16.myself, if she cannot get out and debate, how the hell can she be
:03:17. > :03:22.saying to the British public that she can negotiate? Why is she such a
:03:23. > :03:26.coward? That is a ridiculous thing to say. No, it's not ridiculous. She
:03:27. > :03:30.is talking to real people and she has a lot of respect. She has been
:03:31. > :03:34.here more often than Jeremy Corbyn. What is she doing tonight? She has
:03:35. > :03:38.been in the West Country. She has done twice as many meetings, taken
:03:39. > :03:42.more questions from the public and from journalists than Jeremy Corbyn
:03:43. > :03:46.ever did. He makes a speech to a Momentum rally and goes away. She is
:03:47. > :03:53.engaging with real people. We did see the choices evening. You start a
:03:54. > :03:56.Conservative government calmly getting about taking difficult
:03:57. > :04:02.decisions, and making sure that we are in a good place. I think what we
:04:03. > :04:05.saw tonight was a Conservative Prime Minister hiding from the British
:04:06. > :04:10.people and not being prepared to come out and answer questions in the
:04:11. > :04:13.way that Jeremy Corbyn did. Jeremy, tonight, was passionate and
:04:14. > :04:17.principled and pine in a cereal. You have a choice, you can either have a
:04:18. > :04:22.Prime Minister like that or you can have a Prime Minister hiding behind
:04:23. > :04:25.the curtains at Number Ten, and just switching on the Great British Bake
:04:26. > :04:29.Off. Did he and the suggestion that there is some kind of magic money
:04:30. > :04:33.tree? He is going to pay for all the policies that you have in the
:04:34. > :04:37.manifesto? We have a fully costed manifesto. How much will you pay for
:04:38. > :04:42.the energy industry? How much borrowing would you do? In your
:04:43. > :04:45.manifesto, apart from page numbers, are there any numbers? You are so
:04:46. > :04:50.arrogant that you are not even going to pretend to cost things. You claim
:04:51. > :04:55.that you would buy a lot of industries and put no money in at
:04:56. > :04:58.all. You say trust us, trust Theresa May, but no, we do not take the
:04:59. > :05:02.public for granted. You get out there and argued your corner.
:05:03. > :05:06.Because it is really worth having a decent government, appeared to
:05:07. > :05:10.answer questions. But the magic money tree, if you read the
:05:11. > :05:15.costings, it does not include any money to buy the energy industry, to
:05:16. > :05:18.buy the railways and the National Grid, to buy the water industry. You
:05:19. > :05:22.say that will come from borrowing but it does not count as borrowing
:05:23. > :05:25.because we will be able to pay the borrower back. That is the most
:05:26. > :05:30.economically illiterate thing any major party has put forward since
:05:31. > :05:35.Labour's 1983 manifesto. All I can say is that if the ISS says that we
:05:36. > :05:41.have a fully costed manifesto, and they have said that we are going to
:05:42. > :05:46.put... We're going to put ?1, for every ?1 we pretend we increase
:05:47. > :05:49.economy. And what you're suggesting, you are just suggesting more
:05:50. > :05:52.austerity. We have that seven years of it and that is all you have
:05:53. > :05:56.promised. You are promising more pain to the British people, another
:05:57. > :06:00.ten or 15 years, more austerity, and no idea. And we can show that we
:06:01. > :06:04.have the lowest unemployment since the 1970s because of the responsible
:06:05. > :06:07.economic decisions we have taken, we have shown that we are able to
:06:08. > :06:12.introduce the national living wage, taking 4 million people out of tax
:06:13. > :06:17.altogether. But how people cannot pay their bills? How come people...
:06:18. > :06:20.You can have higher borrowing and higher taxes, every Labour
:06:21. > :06:24.government has left office with unemployment higher than when it
:06:25. > :06:28.took office. Jeremy Corbyn will multiply that. Why is it that living
:06:29. > :06:32.standards now are lower than they were before the recession started?
:06:33. > :06:36.People cannot pay their bills and you have no plans for how the
:06:37. > :06:40.country is going to get a pay rise. The best route out of poverty is
:06:41. > :06:47.work. We have got more people in work than any government. There are
:06:48. > :06:50.are 3% of people at work in this country on zero hours contracts and
:06:51. > :06:56.the average hours they work is 25 hours. The number of people on zero
:06:57. > :06:59.hours contracts who are happy with their work is 70%. Those are the
:07:00. > :07:04.facts. I know Labour has difficulty with figures. We have nurses going
:07:05. > :07:08.to food banks. I can tell you about people not being able to put food on
:07:09. > :07:13.the table and that is under your watch. And you have no right to
:07:14. > :07:16.that. Like all previous Labour governments, you would destroy the
:07:17. > :07:22.British economy. You would spend too much and is taxed too much. I will
:07:23. > :07:27.have to leave it there. Thank you very much. Emily Thornberry talking
:07:28. > :07:28.about the banks. There was a good exchange in the debate involving
:07:29. > :07:35.Jeremy Corbyn speaking about that very issue. I will say this, since
:07:36. > :07:39.Amber Rudd seems so confident that this country is at ease with itself,
:07:40. > :07:49.have you been to a food bank and seen people sleeping in our
:07:50. > :07:53.stations? Let me answer that. Have you seen the levels of poverty that
:07:54. > :08:00.exists because of your government's conscious decisions on benefits? The
:08:01. > :08:04.way to have people not using food banks... There are two of you coming
:08:05. > :08:12.at me now, I'm not sure which one I'm going to take. Another powerful
:08:13. > :08:16.exchange. Tim Farron had to reach out today, no question. Do you think
:08:17. > :08:20.you did that? I think he did really well. He got applause on a
:08:21. > :08:23.significant number of his policies, principles and values that the Lib
:08:24. > :08:26.Dems stand for and he made it absolutely clear that we are the
:08:27. > :08:30.ones providing real opposition to the Conservatives at the moment.
:08:31. > :08:36.With the selection is about Brexit, Labour just handed Theresa May a
:08:37. > :08:39.black check -- blank cheque. But he seems to come unstuck about the
:08:40. > :08:44.amount of money being put forward for the NHS in your manifesto? ?6
:08:45. > :08:48.billion, a drop in the ocean by all accounts. As he said, that is the
:08:49. > :08:52.initial funding and we are waiting for the independent commission to
:08:53. > :08:55.come through to talk about how we fund health and social care in the
:08:56. > :08:59.future. We know that needs to be tackled properly. The dementia tax
:09:00. > :09:02.is not the way to do it. It goes against all the advice of the Dilnot
:09:03. > :09:05.Commission. We supported that then and it needs to be updated which is
:09:06. > :09:09.why the Lib Dems are providing that extra penny for the NHS and social
:09:10. > :09:13.care until we get the results of that commission. And as a country,
:09:14. > :09:15.we can then take a proper way forward. We are showing live
:09:16. > :09:22.pictures of Jeremy Corbyn leaving the venue in Cambridge. His decision
:09:23. > :09:25.to turn up here was taken at lunchtime, apparently. He made it
:09:26. > :09:29.clear in the run-up to tonight that he was not going come here if
:09:30. > :09:32.Theresa May didn't herself show up. She has always made clear that she
:09:33. > :09:37.was not going to be here but Jeremy Corbyn, perhaps buoyed by the
:09:38. > :09:42.success of his campaign so far and the tightening of the polls over the
:09:43. > :09:50.last few days and weeks, decided that he would turn up here, and face
:09:51. > :09:53.the audience questions, about 130 people picked from all social
:09:54. > :10:01.economic groups, representing all political views in the hall here in
:10:02. > :10:04.Cambridge this evening. Finally, the fact of the matter is that the
:10:05. > :10:08.Liberal Democrats, the surge that a lot of people were hoping forward in
:10:09. > :10:13.the party, particularly after the Brexit vote, and the promise within
:10:14. > :10:17.your manifesto of a second referendum on any deal, has that
:10:18. > :10:23.really got any traction? Hasn't really sunk in? We are in absolutely
:10:24. > :10:27.no doubt that the surge is happening in our strongest seats. It echoes
:10:28. > :10:31.the by-election victories that we have had over the past 18 months,
:10:32. > :10:34.and it is going really well but I would agree that there has not been
:10:35. > :10:38.a surge across the country. However, I think people will be pleasantly
:10:39. > :10:43.surprised by the number of seats we win in a week. It is good to see you
:10:44. > :10:48.and thank you very much indeed. It has been a lively debate and one hot
:10:49. > :10:51.button issue throughout the campaign tonight has certainly been
:10:52. > :10:57.immigration. Let's hear part of that exchange. Ukip has just claimed that
:10:58. > :11:02.people voted to leave the European Union and in so doing they also
:11:03. > :11:06.voted to curb immigration. I don't think we can read that into the
:11:07. > :11:09.results. Some people may well have voted to curb immigration but there
:11:10. > :11:14.was only one question on the ballot paper and immigration was not on it.
:11:15. > :11:19.I'm afraid that you can keep using this issue. They want to put up
:11:20. > :11:26.people's hatred, division and fear, and that is why they talk about
:11:27. > :11:32.immigration. Stop lying about immigration. Stop lying. Listen,
:11:33. > :11:35.this isn't about immigrants, it's about government policy, and the
:11:36. > :11:39.government have got it wrong time and time again. Amber, for example,
:11:40. > :11:42.her party has said in three manifestos now that they are going
:11:43. > :11:47.to get immigration down to the tens of thousands. Well, it is Jackanory,
:11:48. > :11:50.it is not going to happen. Jeremy will not give your figure because
:11:51. > :11:53.Labour will make immigration go up. There is only one party on this
:11:54. > :11:56.platform that will see a drop in immigration, which is what the
:11:57. > :12:01.majority of British people want. Poll after poll shows this time and
:12:02. > :12:05.time again. We have seen today that you are looking at ?1 billion in
:12:06. > :12:07.additional cost to the health service because of the government's
:12:08. > :12:11.bungling of the deal with Europe which means that we will have
:12:12. > :12:15.thousands of pensioners from Europe, British pensioners returning to the
:12:16. > :12:19.United Kingdom. Can I say, I think this debate shames and demeans us
:12:20. > :12:26.all. I do not think anyone in this room or anyone watching this debate
:12:27. > :12:28.from Cornwall to Caithness does not understand of the positive
:12:29. > :12:31.contribution that people have made to this land who've come from the
:12:32. > :12:33.rest of Europe and the rest of the world and demonising those people is
:12:34. > :12:50.totally unacceptable. A pretty heated exchange their own
:12:51. > :12:55.immigration. Let stock to Peter Whittle from Ukip. It is good to see
:12:56. > :12:59.you and thanks for joining us. We heard a clip of Paul Nuttall and
:13:00. > :13:04.Angus Robertson suggesting that the debate about immigration has
:13:05. > :13:10.actually shamed the country, and he is firmly putting the blame for that
:13:11. > :13:13.at the door of Ukip. Well, that is unbelievable, monstrous and
:13:14. > :13:19.ridiculous. The fact is that this is a subject which is probably top of
:13:20. > :13:22.most people's concerns and has been for a long time. It doesn't mean
:13:23. > :13:27.that people are racist. What he is actually saying is that he is trying
:13:28. > :13:30.to close down the debate yet again. I think what is interesting about
:13:31. > :13:35.tonight is the fact that Paul Nuttall was the only one of the
:13:36. > :13:38.leaders they are actually talking in a constructive way about how we get
:13:39. > :13:43.managed migration. Everybody else just fell on him, and then they
:13:44. > :13:47.wonder why people are disengaged, if you like, from other parties,
:13:48. > :13:53.because the fact is that none of them will actually even look at this
:13:54. > :13:56.issue seriously. But the suggestion is that you have underestimated the
:13:57. > :14:00.importance of immigration to this country and the fact that you want
:14:01. > :14:05.an Australian points system, the system that they stand there, that
:14:06. > :14:07.that will not fit this country because they want much more
:14:08. > :14:12.immigration into Australia and that would not work for the UK. That is
:14:13. > :14:17.the beauty of the points system. You work out what you need and what you
:14:18. > :14:21.want. The fact is, they are just using that as an excuse because they
:14:22. > :14:26.do not want any discussion on this issue. Labour ones open borders and
:14:27. > :14:30.the greens want open borders. Ideological, they do. The Tories
:14:31. > :14:36.have no will, and certainly have no desire or intent to get down to the
:14:37. > :14:40.famous tens of thousands. We are the only party saying that we will cut
:14:41. > :14:46.migration by half. Do you believe that Paul Nuttall has managed to
:14:47. > :14:53.lodge in the minds of voters and there is tonight the idea that Ukip
:14:54. > :14:58.still has a relevance, despite the referendum result? Absolutely
:14:59. > :15:01.because in the referendum, we were formed for Brexit, true, but we have
:15:02. > :15:06.gone on to other things. Immigration is one of those things. When you
:15:07. > :15:09.have the display that we had today, which shows that the establishment
:15:10. > :15:13.is still not listening on this issue, and the reason for Ukip is
:15:14. > :15:19.very clear. I think that all muddle has emerged in the past week. He did
:15:20. > :15:22.the into new with Andrew Neil, and he was very robust tonight. There
:15:23. > :15:29.she did the interview with Andrew Neil. On his comments about
:15:30. > :15:33.terrorism this evening, he showed great courage. But the reaction from
:15:34. > :15:36.a lot of people in the hall suggested that perhaps Ukip is
:15:37. > :15:44.unfairly targeting Muslims. The fact is, I have to say, this is a hugely,
:15:45. > :15:51.it is a Remainer constituency. It is rather a biased audience. The fact
:15:52. > :15:55.is, there is no way that we have ever done this. In the debate he
:15:56. > :16:00.says he's not talking about the majority of Muslims, but to say that
:16:01. > :16:04.there is a terrorist inspired by radical Islam carrying out attacks,
:16:05. > :16:09.it is just to be in complete denial, and I think, or do we do if we want
:16:10. > :16:14.to fight this matter if we cannot even name what it is? That is the
:16:15. > :16:17.point is making and in the current climate, that takes a lot of
:16:18. > :16:24.courage, I think. Peter Whittle from Ukip, thank you for joining us.
:16:25. > :16:27.Let's get a little bit more all from the debate. Caroline Lucas was
:16:28. > :16:33.talking about the relevance or irrelevance of Trident. We would
:16:34. > :16:37.stop spending money on things we simply do not think is a good use of
:16:38. > :16:41.money. And Trident nuclear weapons would come pretty close to the top
:16:42. > :16:47.of that list. We will scrap nuclear weapons, which would give us around
:16:48. > :16:52.?130 billion over the next 30 years. We would not be building HS2, or
:16:53. > :16:55.going ahead giving massive subsidies to nuclear power stations. First of
:16:56. > :16:59.all, the thing you do is you stop wasting money, and then you have a
:17:00. > :17:03.principle that says that those people who have more money, who have
:17:04. > :17:06.the broader shoulders, should be giving more into our system. So
:17:07. > :17:11.essentially what we need to be doing is to be levying things like the
:17:12. > :17:14.wealth tax, looking at issues around, as I said before,
:17:15. > :17:17.corporation tax. I think it is wrong that we are going for this bargain
:17:18. > :17:21.basement tax haven. I think we should be looking at a country where
:17:22. > :17:26.corporations pay their tax. But the bottom line is that this country is
:17:27. > :17:30.not a par country. The money is in the wrong hands. There is vast
:17:31. > :17:35.inequality in this country. And if we were to sort out that problem,
:17:36. > :17:39.then we would have a much better chance of ensuring that public
:17:40. > :17:43.services are properly paid for it. Take the NHS. We have far less input
:17:44. > :17:47.into the NHS than most other countries of a similar GDP and
:17:48. > :17:50.similar wealth. We do not put that money in public services and
:17:51. > :17:56.therefore we do not have world-class public services that we demand. Let
:17:57. > :18:03.stock to Kirsty Blackmon from the SNP. Good to see you. -- lets talk
:18:04. > :18:06.to. Can you explain why Nicholas Turgeon was not here? Angus
:18:07. > :18:09.Robertson is our leader at Westminster. The decision was taken
:18:10. > :18:13.that Angus would do tonight's debate and he has been the real opposition
:18:14. > :18:17.to Theresa May, we can and week out so it was publicly reasonable that
:18:18. > :18:21.our Westminster leader was there. And how do you sum up how well he
:18:22. > :18:25.did? I think he did really well. I think his comments were clear and he
:18:26. > :18:36.was clearly putting the Tories on the back foot, having them justify
:18:37. > :18:39.their manifesto, which is unjustifiable. It was obvious that
:18:40. > :18:41.the SNP are strong voice for Scotland and I think Angus's voice
:18:42. > :18:43.came through clearly. He was showing a real leadership. But how do you
:18:44. > :18:46.justify putting of balancing the books and dealing with the deficit
:18:47. > :18:49.for longer, and borrowing no longer? Putting off dealing with the deficit
:18:50. > :18:52.longer. Actually we are looking at longer. Actually we are looking at
:18:53. > :18:55.balancing the books and returning things to the pre-crash average.
:18:56. > :18:59.We're looking at making responsible fiscal decisions but at the same
:19:00. > :19:02.time we're not going to implement the massive austerity that the
:19:03. > :19:06.Tories haven't commented. We do not believe that the most vulnerable in
:19:07. > :19:10.society should have to balance the books on their backs. We are making
:19:11. > :19:14.decisions to prioritise the people who are struggling the most and not
:19:15. > :19:18.the wealthiest. But it means pushing the can further down the road for
:19:19. > :19:22.future generations to deal with? Very marginally. We are looking at
:19:23. > :19:26.having a balanced budget in not that much longer a time then the Tories
:19:27. > :19:30.are looking at having it. We're looking at making responsible fiscal
:19:31. > :19:34.decisions, and we're looking at our budget involving ?120 billion of
:19:35. > :19:39.savings, things like spending on the NHS, which we will use to make sure
:19:40. > :19:44.that pensioners are prioritised, that we do not have the austerity
:19:45. > :19:48.and welfare cuts that we have seen. They do very much for joining us. I
:19:49. > :19:53.will remind you that we are here in the spin room, at Cambridge
:19:54. > :19:58.University, and this is where the journalists and bloggers, the
:19:59. > :20:02.pundits are all putting together their interpretation of the debates
:20:03. > :20:05.tonight, and that is what you will see on the front pages tomorrow
:20:06. > :20:09.morning, we will be reading about it in the papers and also watching on
:20:10. > :20:15.television and on the radio. And to my left, Sian Berry of the Green
:20:16. > :20:19.Party. Good to see you. Right, how do you think it went for the Green
:20:20. > :20:22.Party and Caroline Lucas? I think she was absolutely the standout
:20:23. > :20:27.performer in that debate. Well, you would, wouldn't you? She was calm
:20:28. > :20:32.and compassionate, and credible. She was the only one getting under the
:20:33. > :20:36.skin of Amber Rudd. Landing blows on her, pointing out that it is working
:20:37. > :20:40.people who use the banks, who have been pushed into poverty by the cuts
:20:41. > :20:43.of the Tories, calling out for arms sales to Saudi Arabia. I think it
:20:44. > :20:47.shows the kind of thing is that the Green Party would do when any party
:20:48. > :20:51.is in power. We call people out on the important issues and we are
:20:52. > :20:53.there to challenge whoever is there. People watching today will see what
:20:54. > :21:12.a difference a green and paint makes to the debate and they will
:21:13. > :21:17.want more -- a green MP makes to the debate. But are they wanting more of
:21:18. > :21:19.that on their doorstep? You know, the proposals for a progressive
:21:20. > :21:21.alliance, that has not taken off. Kvitova debates today, you can see a
:21:22. > :21:23.remarkable amount of agreement between different parties. There is
:21:24. > :21:25.a consensus emerging against the austerity parties, the
:21:26. > :21:27.anti-immigration rhetoric, and that came from the audience. If you
:21:28. > :21:29.picked a balanced audience today, every time somebody made a point
:21:30. > :21:31.about fairness and equality, everyone constantly made a point
:21:32. > :21:33.about welcoming our fellow citizens, about togetherness crops Europe and
:21:34. > :21:38.there was wild applause. I think the country is deciding on a different
:21:39. > :21:42.direction and I think several parties are deciding on that
:21:43. > :21:45.direction. It is an interesting opportunity. You have the
:21:46. > :21:48.opportunity to speak to many different people this afternoon. Do
:21:49. > :21:51.you think Caroline Lucas do that effectively? We have a choice in
:21:52. > :21:55.many seats to be green MPs in Parliament and we have the
:21:56. > :21:58.opportunity to send messages to other points of Parliament. I think
:21:59. > :22:02.it has been a good election for us so far and Caroline is incredible.
:22:03. > :22:09.We love her. Sian Berry from the Green Party there. And to my right,
:22:10. > :22:16.here is Stephan Lewies from Clyde Comrie. -- by Comrie. A big night
:22:17. > :22:19.for the smaller parties and an opportunity to get your voice out to
:22:20. > :22:24.millions of people. Was it heard loudly enough? Once again, I think
:22:25. > :22:29.Leanne Wood's character, likeability and authenticity shone through. And
:22:30. > :22:31.once again, Plaid Cymru is the party putting Wales on the UK political
:22:32. > :22:36.landscape. The question facing the people of Wales next week will be,
:22:37. > :22:39.do we want to keep Wales on that political landscape and after the
:22:40. > :22:44.votes have been counted and the only way we can do that is with a strong
:22:45. > :22:50.field of Plaid Cymru MPs. I think unless we have Plaid Cymru speaking
:22:51. > :22:53.up for Wales in the new parliament, at next Thursday, the voice of Wales
:22:54. > :22:56.will be lost and Wales would be invisible to whichever party forms
:22:57. > :23:00.the next government. A slightly sticky moment when a question was
:23:01. > :23:04.put to Leanne Wood about immigration, and the suggestion that
:23:05. > :23:09.your party once more immigration for part of the country, are part that
:23:10. > :23:13.voted, randomly in favour of Brexit. It was a sticky moment for the
:23:14. > :23:17.presenter that are not quite got the manifesto passage correct. Why
:23:18. > :23:22.Comrie is advocating a Welsh Visa system under the new immigration
:23:23. > :23:25.system, so that there are skills gaps in the Welsh economy, the Welsh
:23:26. > :23:30.public sector, that we would be able to fill with work visas as part of a
:23:31. > :23:32.wider UK visa and immigration policy. Something similar to what
:23:33. > :23:37.they have in Australia where different states are allowed to
:23:38. > :23:40.issue a certain number of visas. Bachelet, it was clarified that we
:23:41. > :23:44.cannot have a one size fits all Brexit. Wheels is the only country
:23:45. > :23:49.in the UK that is a net exporter of goods and if we do not have the deal
:23:50. > :23:54.that allows us to freely trade with our European partners, that will be
:23:55. > :23:57.a threat for many Welsh jobs. Leanne To night put Welsh interests on the
:23:58. > :24:01.agenda and we are determined to keep them at the top of the agenda after
:24:02. > :24:10.the election. Thank you very much indeed. Let's take a bit of a breath
:24:11. > :24:14.with all this, and get the view of an expert pollster from you cover.
:24:15. > :24:18.It is good to see you, Joe. Interesting the Jeremy Corbyn
:24:19. > :24:22.decided he wanted to turn up tonight. -- from you Gava. Did
:24:23. > :24:26.Jeremy Corbyn turn up? There was very little from today that will
:24:27. > :24:30.resonate over the next few days, which is what you want if you're
:24:31. > :24:34.coming to these debates. You want something to go viral, in modern
:24:35. > :24:38.islands. You want a line that will resonate, not just tonight, not just
:24:39. > :24:41.on the news tonight but over the next few days. My impression was
:24:42. > :24:45.that there was not really anything coming out from tonight that will do
:24:46. > :24:50.that. Jeremy Corbyn, his performance was perfectly fine but I don't think
:24:51. > :24:54.anybody who was present actually made a mistake. If a story comes out
:24:55. > :24:57.it will be about the absence of Theresa May. But I do not think that
:24:58. > :25:02.any of this will have a long-lasting effect on the poll ratings for
:25:03. > :25:06.anyone or any of the parties. So no discernible hit on the polls. It
:25:07. > :25:16.made sense in Theresa May's opinion to not be here? With these things,
:25:17. > :25:19.it is a debate between what is to win and what is to lose and a you
:25:20. > :25:22.are the Prime Minister, everyone can turn on you and you have more to
:25:23. > :25:27.lose than gain. You are directed to defend that nobody else does, so it
:25:28. > :25:31.places you in a difficult position. If I was a Conservative strategist I
:25:32. > :25:36.would agree that staying away was the right thing but I do not think
:25:37. > :25:41.they will take a massive hit tonight. I feel like a bit of video
:25:42. > :25:44.you'll tonight, as seen from left to right. Let's get a final thought
:25:45. > :25:49.with our chief Political Correspondent, Vicki Young. An
:25:50. > :25:56.interesting debate. Quite raucous, talking over each other at times,
:25:57. > :25:59.and stocking over each other. Michelle Hussein having trouble
:26:00. > :26:03.keeping control over some of it. What was your impression? It was
:26:04. > :26:06.obvious that Amber Rudd was under the most pressure, obvious because
:26:07. > :26:08.they have been in power for seven years and she has a record to
:26:09. > :26:15.defend. But if you saw the attacks that she was under about funding and
:26:16. > :26:19.cuts to disable payments, pensioners, police cuts, education,
:26:20. > :26:23.the NHS, talk about people going into food banks and all of that, she
:26:24. > :26:27.was under sustained attack from the others, as you would expect. But
:26:28. > :26:30.what was obvious is that there is a very clear choice out there. It was
:26:31. > :26:33.her were presenting the Conservatives and Jeremy Corbyn, who
:26:34. > :26:37.came here and decided that he would come and debate and make his point,
:26:38. > :26:39.very quickly making it clear what he wants to do. He wants to lessen the
:26:40. > :26:59.gap between rich and poor. He openly
:27:00. > :27:02.said that he will put up taxes, raising taxes on the rich. He says
:27:03. > :27:04.he wants to give more money to public services. The comeback from
:27:05. > :27:07.Amber Rudd was to say that it is all very well with his magic money tree
:27:08. > :27:10.but when you are in government you have to make difficult decisions. We
:27:11. > :27:10.will leave it there. Thank you for that.
:27:11. > :27:14.That is it from what has been a large and raucous debate tonight.
:27:15. > :27:16.Seven parties taking part. And I should say thank you to the
:27:17. > :27:19.Cambridge union for allowing us into the hall here. And hopefully we will
:27:20. > :27:22.not leave it in too much of a mess, but from this BBC election special
:27:23. > :27:38.on BBC News, many thanks to you for watching. Bye-bye.
:27:39. > :27:42.for large swathes of the United for large swathes of the United
:27:43. > :27:44.Kingdom. A pretty decent