Diane Abbott

:00:14. > :00:21.And we will be taking some questions on the back of this, so will you

:00:22. > :00:22.please welcome the Shadow Home Secretary, Diane Abbott.

:00:23. > :00:44.APPLAUSE Good afternoon. Let me try that

:00:45. > :00:54.again, good afternoon! Thank you for inviting me to address you to day.

:00:55. > :00:58.It is an honour to be here and address you as Shadow Home

:00:59. > :01:07.Secretary. I know you made a presentation to my colleague, Tobias

:01:08. > :01:15.Ellwood, MP, this morning but I do want to take a minute to recollect

:01:16. > :01:21.PC Palmer, Parliament is a village, in a good way and I think that

:01:22. > :01:31.almost every member of Parliament new PC Palmer eyesight. And so, it

:01:32. > :01:36.was shocking. Bass Magala new PC Palmer by sight.

:01:37. > :01:43.It was shocking and holeable the way he died but the way he died with the

:01:44. > :01:55.police service at its best, running towards danger and doing job. Before

:01:56. > :02:01.I go on to the bulk of my speech, it may be helpful to introduce myself.

:02:02. > :02:09.I am the Shadow Home Secretary, but I was born and brought up and

:02:10. > :02:16.represent parts of London where crime is often higher then it should

:02:17. > :02:22.be. I know the cost of crime, the fear that stops people, particularly

:02:23. > :02:28.women, leaving their homes. The loss of property and valuables. The cost

:02:29. > :02:34.in violence and assault. Particular Unite crime. I will come to later.

:02:35. > :02:38.The terror that gangs can bring to neighbourhoods. -- particularly

:02:39. > :02:40.knife crime. The fear of mothers concerned that the children will be

:02:41. > :03:06.sucked up into that lifestyle. And so I know the value of policing.

:03:07. > :03:11.Unlike this Government, who I would contend know the price of everything

:03:12. > :03:19.but the value of nothing. And it is precisely because it is the poorest

:03:20. > :03:26.communities who suffer the most from crime and violence than any

:03:27. > :03:30.progressive politician should take the fight against crime and violence

:03:31. > :03:38.very seriously indeed. Some of you would say, if she knows so much how

:03:39. > :03:43.come she fumbled the Nick Ferrari interview? You see, I can read

:03:44. > :03:48.minds! LAUGHTER

:03:49. > :03:56.I would only ask as to which is more newsworthy. Diane Abbott fluffs a

:03:57. > :04:02.line in a radio interview, or the fact that homicide is rising and

:04:03. > :04:08.continues to rise. I would argue, and this may come as a shock to some

:04:09. > :04:11.of you, I would argue that the Tories, whether in Government on

:04:12. > :04:20.their own as they have been since 2015, or leading the coalition from

:04:21. > :04:26.2010 until 2015, have not been good for policing. They say they are the

:04:27. > :04:34.party of law and order, but I put it to you, would a real party of law

:04:35. > :04:39.and order cut over 20,000 police officers and staff? Would a real

:04:40. > :04:47.party of law and order leave police forces overstretched? And would a

:04:48. > :04:56.real party of law and order cut the police budgets in cash terms? I

:04:57. > :04:59.would remind you that the Tories pledged to protect police budgets in

:05:00. > :05:04.real terms but instead they have cut it in real terms. They are cutting

:05:05. > :05:11.it even in cash terms. And inflation will cut away at real spending

:05:12. > :05:16.power. And if they are allowed to carry out their plans, this would

:05:17. > :05:22.almost certainly mean further job losses, erosion of pensions and cuts

:05:23. > :05:29.to real pain. I think you deserve better. The Labour Party thinks you

:05:30. > :05:31.deserve better. You have heard from Tory politicians at this conference

:05:32. > :05:36.and you will hear tomorrow about their support for the police, but I

:05:37. > :05:45.would argue their speeches say one thing but there are cuts to funding

:05:46. > :05:50.the another. Tory austerity has hit policing as much as the NHS or

:05:51. > :05:57.education and other parts of the public sector, and in the long run I

:05:58. > :06:04.believe that Tory austerity and Tory cuts to the police budget may prove

:06:05. > :06:11.even more damaging to the public than the cuts to the NHS and

:06:12. > :06:19.education are proving now. We know that in this financial year the

:06:20. > :06:23.police grant will be ?682 million lower than the grant three years

:06:24. > :06:29.ago. This is not the action of a party that genuinely puts policing

:06:30. > :06:34.first or fighting crime first. Now, Tory ministers like to see that cuts

:06:35. > :06:40.to the NHS and education have no consequences. We all know that that

:06:41. > :06:45.is not true. You can go into A any Saturday night and see the long

:06:46. > :06:49.waits, the people there, for whom there are no beds, lie on trolleys

:06:50. > :06:55.or even parked up ambulances. Schools up and down the country are

:06:56. > :07:04.going to lose staff and facilities because of cuts. And the same is

:07:05. > :07:14.true of policing. Cutting back on policing budgets is not a no cost

:07:15. > :07:18.economy. It has consequences. It has consequences for police officers and

:07:19. > :07:26.staff in real time, and it has consequences I believe in terms of

:07:27. > :07:35.the rate of crime. You will have heard that one of the Labour Party's

:07:36. > :07:42.policies is that we want to bring in 10,000 more community police and

:07:43. > :07:48.women -- policemen and women. We do not think that is all that needs to

:07:49. > :08:01.be done, but that singles our intent to make good the of that promise. We

:08:02. > :08:04.know this because that is what the office of research tells us. Theresa

:08:05. > :08:07.May both as Home Secretary and as Prime Minister, under Theresa May,

:08:08. > :08:24.the police had more cuts... And although overall crime

:08:25. > :08:31.numbers may be flat or falling the most serious crimes, gun crime,

:08:32. > :08:42.knife crime, assault, they are going up. In the Met gun crime has gone by

:08:43. > :08:46.42%, and knife crime by. Alongside that -- knife crime by 24%.

:08:47. > :08:53.Alongside that there's been a fall in the numbers of summons and

:08:54. > :08:58.charges for gun crime, knife crime and hate crime. You don't have to

:08:59. > :09:03.believe me. In March, Her Majesty's Inspector of Constabulary said

:09:04. > :09:08."Policing in England and Wales is in a potentially perilous state, as

:09:09. > :09:11.Government cuts lead to investigations being shelved,

:09:12. > :09:20.vulnerable victims being let down, and tens of thousands of potentially

:09:21. > :09:23.dangerous subjects at large." It continues, "We have seen a tendency

:09:24. > :09:31.to downgrade emergency calls to justify a slow response, a tendency

:09:32. > :09:37.to reclassify domestic abuse, and ad hoc rationing as forces adapt to

:09:38. > :09:39.austerity." That is what the Inspectorate of Constabulary said in

:09:40. > :09:46.March, and Chief Superintendent Gavin Thomas, head of the

:09:47. > :09:53.Association of England and Wales, said there are now 34,000 fewer

:09:54. > :10:00.staff working in policing than there were in 2010. Including over 19,000

:10:01. > :10:05.fewer police officers. Your own chair of the federation said the

:10:06. > :10:14.federation has been pointing out the pitfalls of continually taking the

:10:15. > :10:17.axe to police budgets, and we have warned it will hurt the very people

:10:18. > :10:28.we are pledged to protect, members of the public. Your chair has also

:10:29. > :10:36.said, "Police personnel have endured 15% in real terms pay cut in recent

:10:37. > :10:40.years, which has led to an exodus of experienced officers were quitting

:10:41. > :10:47.the front line for safer, better paid jobs in the private sector."

:10:48. > :10:52.And, you know, I have spoken about the direct effect of austerity and

:10:53. > :11:01.cuts on policing, but there is also an indirect effect of austerity and

:11:02. > :11:05.cuts on policing. The more local authorities are obliged to cut

:11:06. > :11:11.housing services, obliged to cut mental health services, obliged to

:11:12. > :11:19.cut social work budgets, it ends in police officers being the social

:11:20. > :11:25.service of last resort. It does not deal with underlying social issues,

:11:26. > :11:32.it shifts costs, wastes resources, and highly skilled police officers.

:11:33. > :11:36.It is a false economy. As I said earlier, it is striking to me that

:11:37. > :11:44.this Government, who claim to be the party of law and order, have also

:11:45. > :11:49.presided over a rise in recorded crime. Now, whenever anybody says

:11:50. > :11:52.that particularly a Labour politician, Tory politicians jump up

:11:53. > :11:57.and say this is all due to better recording by the police. There is

:11:58. > :12:04.better recording, but the rise in recorded crime is not just due to

:12:05. > :12:12.better paperwork. There were 697 homicides in England and Wales in

:12:13. > :12:18.2016, an increase of 9% compared to 2010-11, up from 21% in 2015. It is

:12:19. > :12:25.serious, shocking and the rise in the homicide rate can't possibly be

:12:26. > :12:30.due just to better recording. This is what the official statisticians

:12:31. > :12:34.said on this rise. There appear to be smaller but genuine increases in

:12:35. > :12:39.some of the lower volume but high harm categories of police recorded

:12:40. > :12:43.violence including homicide and knife crime. But ministers are in

:12:44. > :12:47.denial about this - they cannot accept their policies overall and

:12:48. > :12:52.their policies on crime and policing have led to this. But they have.

:12:53. > :12:58.Sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting is not policy. It is no

:12:59. > :13:05.way to conduct the serious business of Government. Now, we all make

:13:06. > :13:09.mistakes. You may have heard I have made one or two back myself over the

:13:10. > :13:17.years, but as I said earlier. What is more newsworthy? Me fluffing a

:13:18. > :13:21.line or the rate of homicide? An interviewer tripping up at Labour

:13:22. > :13:25.spokesperson, or the fact that over 20,000 police officers and staff had

:13:26. > :13:30.been cut? The reality is that all the sound and fury on this signifies

:13:31. > :13:34.nothing. It is simply designed to obscure the real facts. Under the

:13:35. > :13:38.Tories, police in Britain have been cut. The promises to protect the

:13:39. > :13:45.police budget have been broken, and crime is higher, including the most

:13:46. > :13:49.serious crimes which cause the most feared to the public. Our pledge on

:13:50. > :13:52.policing is straightforward. We will restore 10,000 police officers to

:13:53. > :13:56.the police forces in England and Wales. This is the equivalent of an

:13:57. > :14:01.extra police officer in every ward in the country. This is not a total

:14:02. > :14:05.answer to rebuilding after the Tory cuts but it is the beginning and it

:14:06. > :14:08.is a pledge of intent. This pledge follows from our beliefs. We

:14:09. > :14:14.strongly believe two things. Fewer police officers means police that

:14:15. > :14:19.necessarily are more remote to the public. It means police who will

:14:20. > :14:27.tend to be either the social worker of last resort or a force that

:14:28. > :14:34.rushes in when the situation is close to or beyond breakdown. Fewer

:14:35. > :14:41.police officers means less effective policing, and also potentially means

:14:42. > :14:44.more police officers putting themselves in harm's way. The reason

:14:45. > :14:47.we are talking about community police officers is we want to

:14:48. > :14:51.rebuild the link between the police forces and the communities they

:14:52. > :14:56.serve. Together, we believe they can be the eyes and ears of the

:14:57. > :15:01.community, to check everything from anti-social behaviour and vandalism

:15:02. > :15:04.through to drug dealing and even the emerging issues relating to

:15:05. > :15:09.terrorism. In this country, we have a proud history of policing by

:15:10. > :15:14.consent. But if the blue line is stretched too thin, the link to the

:15:15. > :15:23.community is endangered. We want to confirm that link, we want to build

:15:24. > :15:26.and rebuild community policing. Our policy of bringing 10,000 more

:15:27. > :15:32.community policemen and women will be fully funded, it will be paid for

:15:33. > :15:35.by reversing the Tory cuts, we believe it is simply not right that

:15:36. > :15:39.those who make money simply by owning property or speculating on

:15:40. > :15:43.the markets pay even less tax but ordinary people are paying more tax

:15:44. > :15:48.and suffering worst public services such as policing. The Government

:15:49. > :15:53.says there is no money. After making all of its tax giveaways to the

:15:54. > :15:57.rich. If you ever wondered, those of you of curious disposition, why the

:15:58. > :16:02.media treats policies like this with such hostility, ask yourself

:16:03. > :16:06.something like this Mrs Merton question, why are the billionaires

:16:07. > :16:11.who own Britain's media so hostile to policies were billionaires a more

:16:12. > :16:16.tax? To fund services for ordinary people. Put it like that and the

:16:17. > :16:22.question answers itself. You know why, I know why, they don't want to

:16:23. > :16:29.pay more tax and they do not seem to understand the need of the public

:16:30. > :16:36.for visible police officers and more police officers on the beat. People

:16:37. > :16:40.with their own bodyguards and Private security teams, gated

:16:41. > :16:43.housing, generally they are not big fans of paying for ordinary

:16:44. > :16:48.policing, but Labour's policing policy is for the many, not the few.

:16:49. > :16:54.All my political life I've campaigned against discrimination

:16:55. > :16:58.and forcible liberties and I continue to campaign for the

:16:59. > :17:07.importance of more women police officers. -- and civil liberties. I

:17:08. > :17:14.congratulate the police on the progress that they have made up to

:17:15. > :17:19.date. I am a strong advocate of body warned police cameras, I believe

:17:20. > :17:25.they represent a win- win for the police and the public. They bring

:17:26. > :17:32.bluer Sunni fewer complaints against the police when they are and greater

:17:33. > :17:36.public confidence in the police. -- they bring complaints against the

:17:37. > :17:44.police. A small investment in technology can lead to huge savings

:17:45. > :17:48.in reducing wasted police time. Before I conclude my remarks I

:17:49. > :17:51.wanted to talk about something which is a particular issue in our great

:17:52. > :17:57.cities and that is the rise in knife crime. There has been a frightening

:17:58. > :18:03.rise in knife crime in cities like London, in London alone 13 people

:18:04. > :18:11.have died from knife crime in the three weeks. I support the lease

:18:12. > :18:23.Commissioner's determination to act. I support the mess Derry

:18:24. > :18:31.undoubtedly, we need more. We need to collect proper data on victims

:18:32. > :18:36.and predators. We need to look into whether the mental health issues

:18:37. > :18:40.involved. We need to establish, beyond question, the links where

:18:41. > :18:45.they exist between knife crime and gang crime. I think there should be

:18:46. > :18:52.an anonymous hotline in all our great cities where people that have

:18:53. > :18:56.evidence, or knowledge, of people carrying knives or weapons can ring

:18:57. > :19:01.in anonymously. We need to look at what works in cities like New York.

:19:02. > :19:06.Let me say this, I was with my brother commanded just the other day

:19:07. > :19:12.and when talking about this issue. -- I was with my bullock Amanda.

:19:13. > :19:16.When you look at the pictures of the knives and swords that people are

:19:17. > :19:20.carrying around, nobody can put and they carry those knives in their

:19:21. > :19:25.back pocket to peel an apple. We're talking about knives which procured

:19:26. > :19:32.and carried around to make terrible damage and mutilation to the human

:19:33. > :19:37.body. I am in favour of all the steps we can take to make a decisive

:19:38. > :19:44.move against the rise in knife crime. Finally, I would like to

:19:45. > :19:49.speak to the theme of the conference, protecting the

:19:50. > :19:51.protectors will stop I was proud that my first debate as Shadow Home

:19:52. > :19:56.Secretary in the House of Commons to Secretary in the House of Commons to

:19:57. > :20:02.lead the debate on assaults against the police. There were some amazing

:20:03. > :20:09.speeches not least by my friend Holly he was coming on to speak

:20:10. > :20:16.later. We live in a time when people assault and abuse public servants in

:20:17. > :20:20.a way which was not thought of when I was growing up. Not just the

:20:21. > :20:25.police, ambulance men and women, people that work in ANA. On the

:20:26. > :20:32.point of view of protecting the protectors.

:20:33. > :20:35.# People that work in A The police in particular, because you

:20:36. > :20:40.are people who put yourself in harms way to protect society. I believe

:20:41. > :20:44.there should be a change in legislation, tougher sentences, I

:20:45. > :20:48.believe there should be batted training and access to equipment. I

:20:49. > :20:52.believe we need more accurate data on police assault and I believe we

:20:53. > :20:57.need to improve welfare support. Finally, I would like to conclude

:20:58. > :21:03.with the central message. Labour stands for better policing, because

:21:04. > :21:08.policing, more effective policing, policing, more effective policing,

:21:09. > :21:13.and more policing. The police serve the entire community and that is

:21:14. > :21:17.right. The people that suffer most from rising crime ordinary working

:21:18. > :21:22.people, they are the ones who benefit most from effective

:21:23. > :21:29.policing, the Tories cut police numbers and broke the pledge. We

:21:30. > :21:34.will restore the minimal number of 10,000, and with the focus on

:21:35. > :21:38.community policing. I believe, and I've always believed there was no

:21:39. > :21:43.contradiction between valuing law and order and wanting to see more

:21:44. > :21:49.police on the beat and upholding Civil Liberties. Policing by consent

:21:50. > :21:57.means more effective policing and this is what Labour wants. This is

:21:58. > :22:01.what Labour would deliver in office. As a previous Labour leader, John

:22:02. > :22:09.Smith said, I think it was the night before he died, the chance to serve

:22:10. > :22:14.is all we ask. We stand for the many not the few, whether this policing

:22:15. > :22:19.and crime or the economy or housing or the NHS. So, with thank you very

:22:20. > :22:24.much for taking the time to hear what I have to say. Thank you.

:22:25. > :22:30.APPLAUSE I know that Diane will stay with us

:22:31. > :22:34.for a few questions, as well. Thank you to the Shadow Home Secretary. We

:22:35. > :22:40.have some questions coming in. Just a point on that 10,000 figure. I

:22:41. > :22:45.will ask you what it costs? You have clearly been through all of that.

:22:46. > :22:51.Who came with the number? What was the thinking behind it. It wasn't

:22:52. > :22:55.that we think the police needs 10,000 extra police officers, it

:22:56. > :23:01.seemed to is a doable number, given the resources. We will be recruiting

:23:02. > :23:04.over for five-year period. In the end, the decision as to how many in

:23:05. > :23:10.different parts of the country will be a matter of the Chief constables

:23:11. > :23:18.and PCC 's. On that point, this comes from Paul who says, I will

:23:19. > :23:24.come to that one second... This from Simon who says, Diane Abbott why do

:23:25. > :23:26.not support police forces using spit gods? You now have a great

:23:27. > :23:35.opportunity to set the record straight. You have been vocal about

:23:36. > :23:41.this in the past. Well, I have been looking at the evidence in relation

:23:42. > :23:48.to spit gods. They continued to look at the evidence in relation to them.

:23:49. > :23:53.I have never said I'm against them in principle. But, like any fresh

:23:54. > :24:00.equipment or power, I want to see the evidence as to what they would

:24:01. > :24:05.do in particular in relation to the health risks that many... Can I help

:24:06. > :24:09.you out, I'm not an aspect on this, I think the theory is that if

:24:10. > :24:13.someone spits in your face use the spit gods stop them that.

:24:14. > :24:23.APPLAUSE -- you use the spit guardss. I was

:24:24. > :24:29.talking about health, statistically. One of the groups I have consulted

:24:30. > :24:35.with the group that represent sufferers from hepatitis C and the

:24:36. > :24:46.groups that work with HIV sufferers. They are not, they argue that you do

:24:47. > :24:51.not catch hepatitis C or HIV... That is what they say. That is why say

:24:52. > :24:56.I'm looking that the recess. It is about checking whether that person

:24:57. > :25:02.beforehand is... It is about looking at the research and coming to a

:25:03. > :25:06.considered view. I have to tell you, particularly the people that

:25:07. > :25:09.represent people with hepatitis C, they are concerned that there is an

:25:10. > :25:15.assumption that you can catch edge it by someone spitting at you. Does

:25:16. > :25:19.not will about that, is it? When you are in the sort of environment...

:25:20. > :25:25.APPLAUSE It is not a medical assessment at

:25:26. > :25:28.that moment, it is a riot situation, and arrest situation, where someone

:25:29. > :25:31.is kicking off in a way that you need to somehow restrain them a

:25:32. > :25:36.number of different methods. That would be one of them. We will hear

:25:37. > :25:42.the story in the next session about what happened to a police officer in

:25:43. > :25:46.this very scenario. Police officers look at this piece of kit is

:25:47. > :25:51.something that is very helpful. But, we know that the Metropolitan Police

:25:52. > :25:55.are still looking into it. They have something going on in London.

:25:56. > :25:59.Something I make here is the result of the trial. A question from Paul,

:26:00. > :26:05.the one I was going to ask, has anyone asked the question about

:26:06. > :26:09.whether is the 10,000 more police are police officers or community

:26:10. > :26:14.support officers? Police officers. Any extra community support

:26:15. > :26:19.officers? Well, my Shadow Chancellor tomorrow is going to give a detailed

:26:20. > :26:23.presentation of our manifesto together with costings, but I would

:26:24. > :26:28.be above my pay grade now promising view anything other than 10,000

:26:29. > :26:34.extra police officers. OK. Let's get a question from the floor. Things

:26:35. > :26:40.are coming, today. My name is Mark I'm from Somerset died in the bottom

:26:41. > :26:44.bit of the country. -- down in the bottom bit of the country.

:26:45. > :26:49.LAUGHTER Two things, I want to reiterate what a win is just said,

:26:50. > :26:53.spit guards are not about the contagious effect of being spat on,

:26:54. > :26:56.it is about being spat on. It is something to protect us from being

:26:57. > :27:01.assaulted by Lee. Any consideration you give that in the future, it is

:27:02. > :27:05.not about contracting something it is but not being spat on. If you

:27:06. > :27:08.could bear that in mind I would appreciate that.

:27:09. > :27:11.APPLAUSE The second point I would like to

:27:12. > :27:17.ask, I'm putting you on this but I don't apologise for that. As Shadow

:27:18. > :27:21.Home Secretary, or Home Secretary, will you hear today commits to was,

:27:22. > :27:25.we'd already had today the difficulties around the changing of

:27:26. > :27:32.legislation to protect urgency drivers... Adding catch that?

:27:33. > :27:36.Urgency drivers. We have no protection in laws when we drive our

:27:37. > :27:41.police cars with sirens on, I would like to commit to data was that you

:27:42. > :27:47.would seek to address that to offer us protection. Get the protectors.

:27:48. > :27:52.Can you do that? I was certainly undertake to look at how the Labour

:27:53. > :27:55.Party, whether in government, I hope, or in opposition, can alter

:27:56. > :28:02.the legislation to give police divers the protection they need. A

:28:03. > :28:08.statement of intent from you then? That is what I call a statement of

:28:09. > :28:15.intent. Your stamen and then? Thank you. He was a question from Adam

:28:16. > :28:24.from Norfolk. Does he -- does Diane Abbott believe that the increase in

:28:25. > :28:29.knife crime result from the decrease in stop and search? You been vocal

:28:30. > :28:32.on stop and search in the past, as well what are your thoughts on the

:28:33. > :28:36.correlation between those two? I live in a border, Hackney, where

:28:37. > :28:41.I've worked closely with my border I've worked closely with my border

:28:42. > :28:45.commander on these issues and in Hackney we have managed to bring

:28:46. > :28:51.Pringle levels of prosecution. I Pringle levels of prosecution. I

:28:52. > :28:56.believe, there is a strong case for more use of evidence -based stop and

:28:57. > :29:00.search in relation to knife crime. The well community groups that are

:29:01. > :29:03.calling through it. But, I've always been a sceptic of random stop and

:29:04. > :29:13.search, which set in the past identified relatively small amounts

:29:14. > :29:16.of criminal activity. And had a poor effect on police community

:29:17. > :29:22.relations. However, with the current crisis in knife crime and with some

:29:23. > :29:27.community organisations calling for more targeted stop and search, that

:29:28. > :29:31.is something I am happy to look at. I am told we only have time for one

:29:32. > :29:40.more question which was just going in order of who was first out of the

:29:41. > :29:46.traps on the last one remaining. I'm from Nottinghamshire Police, in

:29:47. > :29:52.relation to spit guards, everything that goes with them, the key point

:29:53. > :29:57.you are missing is health and safety piece of equipment. If you of stroke

:29:58. > :30:05.that, expect a lawsuit to sit on your lap when it lands. I am aware,

:30:06. > :30:10.if I wasn't aware, I've got that sense from the audience today, that

:30:11. > :30:16.spit codes is a complex subject. There is health and safety, there is

:30:17. > :30:20.health, there was a whole range of issues, but your question is about

:30:21. > :30:26.if the government, or the Met to Poulton police, because they are the

:30:27. > :30:33.first major police force that will allow spit huts, which will

:30:34. > :30:43.potentially allow them... Sally? Well, they are in use. Sorry? If the

:30:44. > :30:47.Mets police allow spit huts across the Metropolitan Police area or they

:30:48. > :30:54.refuse to, then they may find themselves subject to lawsuits, I

:30:55. > :30:57.will certainly take that back to the Metropolitan Police. If they did not

:30:58. > :31:05.understand it and show it will inform the thinking going forward.

:31:06. > :31:08.Finally... OK. Finally, it was a pleasure to come here, it's a

:31:09. > :31:16.pleasure to hear your views on a range of issues, and as I said right

:31:17. > :31:18.at the beginning, what ever other parties may say to you about being

:31:19. > :31:27.the party of law and order, you need the party of law and order, you need

:31:28. > :31:31.to compare the record an police funding and reflect on the reality

:31:32. > :31:37.of that claim. Thank you, very much. Sorry, can I bring in a question on

:31:38. > :31:41.the front. I think it is in the two... Chairman of the Metropolitan

:31:42. > :31:46.Police Federation. I served in the borough next to yours for 25 years.

:31:47. > :31:50.I do not know where you are getting your facts and figures on around the

:31:51. > :31:55.spit guards. I've done huge amount of work and I will gladly sit down

:31:56. > :31:59.with you. If you look at the last Notting Hill Carnival, 82 of my

:32:00. > :32:03.colleagues were injured 16 had it Hospital, so I find it quite amazing

:32:04. > :32:08.some of the things you are there and saying. This is an on the spot

:32:09. > :32:15.requirement. Please, we need them. Final words, Diane Abbott.

:32:16. > :32:22.APPLAUSE My final word this, I understand

:32:23. > :32:26.your point of view the point of view of thousands of officers opened down

:32:27. > :32:33.the country and that is why I am working closely with them the and

:32:34. > :32:38.his deputy mayor, who was in charge of policing on this issue. They are

:32:39. > :32:45.doing the pilots, they will come to a conclusion and I will be guided by

:32:46. > :32:48.the conclusions of that Pilate. Shadow Home Secretary, Diane added.

:32:49. > :32:52.Thank you very much indeed. APPLAUSE