:00:23. > :00:29.My name is Angela Smith, I am the leader of the Labour group in the
:00:30. > :00:35.House of Lords. Thank you the coming. What we are talking about
:00:36. > :00:40.today is about the threat posed to our public services if we were to
:00:41. > :00:45.have five more years of the Tories. And how we, as Labour, would take a
:00:46. > :00:50.different approach. We have a plan to reverse the decline we have seen
:00:51. > :00:55.under this Conservative government. We will hear from Angela Rayner, our
:00:56. > :01:00.Education Secretary, and Jonathan Ashworth, our Shadow Health
:01:01. > :01:05.Secretary. We are also launching our latest election poster, which is
:01:06. > :01:11.there now, you can see behind us, about what could happen to an NHS
:01:12. > :01:16.waiting list, they will soar if the Tories return to government. First,
:01:17. > :01:24.it is my pleasure to ask Jeremy Corbyn to ask -- say a few words
:01:25. > :01:30.about this campaign. Good morning. Thank you all very much for coming
:01:31. > :01:33.this morning. Thank you, Angela, for the introduction. The future of our
:01:34. > :01:39.NHS and other schools is at stake in this election. These states that the
:01:40. > :01:44.Conservatives have left our NHS, our schools in, is anything but strong
:01:45. > :01:47.and stable. Over the last seven years, they have starved public
:01:48. > :01:52.services who rely on those resources, at every turn they have
:01:53. > :02:01.chosen tax giveaways for the view over public services for the many.
:02:02. > :02:08.Patients are suffering wait in long walks, A maternity wards and
:02:09. > :02:12.hospitals are threatened with closure. Children are crammed into
:02:13. > :02:18.overcrowded and crumbling classrooms. Schools send begging
:02:19. > :02:25.letters to the parents. It has two chains. Together, we can make it
:02:26. > :02:29.chains on the 8th of June. Labour will invest in our schools and
:02:30. > :02:36.hospitals. We will cut school class sizes, but not schools. Take a
:02:37. > :02:43.million people off the waiting list, not as more. Ensure people get the
:02:44. > :02:47.care they deserve. And guarantee that dedicated staff get a pay rise.
:02:48. > :02:50.Another five years of the Conservatives would be disastrous
:02:51. > :02:58.for our public services. If they carry on as they are now, by 2022
:02:59. > :03:05.there could be 5.5 million people on the NHS England waiting list. 1.5
:03:06. > :03:15.million older people with unmet care needs. 650,000 pupils crammed into
:03:16. > :03:21.primary classes of over 30. Families left almost ?450 worth of her child
:03:22. > :03:26.as a result of the Tories' plan to scrap free school meals to 1.7
:03:27. > :03:31.million children. That is the conservative vision for Britain. But
:03:32. > :03:38.don't take my word for it. Last week, BIF F made clear the
:03:39. > :03:41.Conservative manifesto, promises no new money to the NHS and a real
:03:42. > :03:48.terms cut in pupil funding for schools. That vision does not has to
:03:49. > :03:55.become a reality. On 8th of June, they is only one party that can
:03:56. > :04:01.improve public services for the many not the few. That is Labour. We will
:04:02. > :04:07.build an NHS and social care system for the many, we will invest ?37
:04:08. > :04:13.billion into the NHS, and take 1 million people of the waiting list
:04:14. > :04:19.by 2022. We will invest ?8 billion in social care over the next five
:04:20. > :04:24.years. And lay the foundations for a National Care Service, to integrate
:04:25. > :04:29.health and social care. Labour will build a national education service
:04:30. > :04:37.and invest in our children's futures. We will cap class sizes at
:04:38. > :04:41.30, 4546 and seven-year-old and Labour will provide free school
:04:42. > :04:45.meals to all primary school children. The Conservatives would
:04:46. > :04:50.take that away and replace it with a thimble full of rice crispies for
:04:51. > :04:53.each child. In the fifth richest country in the world,
:04:54. > :05:03.it is not acceptable for people to be left in hospitals without care.
:05:04. > :05:06.It is not right and does not make sense to undermine the future of our
:05:07. > :05:12.next generation. We believe those who can afford it should pay just a
:05:13. > :05:18.little bit more. To fund care, dignity and opportunity for all. It
:05:19. > :05:28.gives me great pleasure to introduce our Health Secretary, John Ashworth,
:05:29. > :05:34.to take you through the details over our concerns with the NHS. Over to
:05:35. > :05:36.you. Thank you Germany. Good morning. The Tories thought they
:05:37. > :05:41.could glide to this election with nothing more than trite slogans. But
:05:42. > :05:47.the British people ensure that that will not go to plan. They want
:05:48. > :05:50.answers on how many pensioners stand to lose from Tory plans. They want
:05:51. > :05:56.answers on what the school funding cuts will mean for their children.
:05:57. > :05:59.And the British people want answers the wider NHS is being pushed
:06:00. > :06:05.backwards, why they're waiting longer longer for health care. On
:06:06. > :06:12.the morning of their manifesto launch, the current Conservative
:06:13. > :06:18.Health promised to increase spending on the NHS above promises made to
:06:19. > :06:28.date. But within a matter of days, the Institute for Fiscal Studies can
:06:29. > :06:29.Toure confirmed their plans had no extra for health services. This is
:06:30. > :06:42.not the time the agreement were not the they used misleading figures for
:06:43. > :06:49.spending. The head of the NHS executive accused the Prime Minister
:06:50. > :06:56.at stretching it by asking for the money it asked for. The Tory cash
:06:57. > :07:00.crisis in our NHS is getting worse. Last week, leaked figures estimate
:07:01. > :07:05.that hospitals in England ended the financial year more than ?700
:07:06. > :07:10.billion in the red. A funding crisis has left the NHS is weak and
:07:11. > :07:15.unstable. With patients being forced to pay the price. The British people
:07:16. > :07:21.an honest picture about the state of our health service. We are
:07:22. > :07:25.publishing a dossier setting out our new analysis on the scale of the
:07:26. > :07:31.underfunding of the NHS and the projected impact on patient care of
:07:32. > :07:35.another five years of Conservative. Now, first on infrastructure. We are
:07:36. > :07:41.all familiar with the recent cyber security attack on the NHS. It
:07:42. > :07:45.affected more than 40 hospitals across England. Many experts warn
:07:46. > :07:48.that investment in NHS infrastructure including IT, had
:07:49. > :07:53.been cut back over the last seven years. Today, based on evidence we
:07:54. > :07:56.collected through Freedom of information request, we can reveal
:07:57. > :08:02.the impact of these infrastructure cuts. Hospitals left crumbling,
:08:03. > :08:06.patient care at risk, staff being forced to work in facilities that
:08:07. > :08:12.are simply no longer fit for purpose. We can reveal that in a
:08:13. > :08:15.hospital in south London, a wheelchair-bound client had to be
:08:16. > :08:20.seen outside on the steps of the building as a result of the disabled
:08:21. > :08:25.lift being out of order. In Coventry, a leak from the ceiling
:08:26. > :08:37.onto an operating table, meant that patient had to be re-routed to
:08:38. > :08:43.other. In Cornwall, power cuts. In Essex, award was closed and patient
:08:44. > :08:46.had to be moved. In the Isle of Wight, a contamination cause
:08:47. > :08:53.flooding on the level eight out patient department. It was out of
:08:54. > :08:56.action for the days, resulting in fast patient breaches. And in a
:08:57. > :09:10.Surrey Hospital, in the Health Health Secretary's backyard,
:09:11. > :09:15.patients could not be seen. We can't go on like this. Staff and patients
:09:16. > :09:20.deserve better, our loved ones deserve better. Secondly on
:09:21. > :09:25.standards of care. Since the 2015 election, the Tories have failed on
:09:26. > :09:32.every single major standard of care. Patients across England are being
:09:33. > :09:37.failed and the blame lies firmly at the door of ten Downing St. The 18
:09:38. > :09:45.week referral to treatment target was last met in February 20 16. A 62
:09:46. > :09:50.day cancer waiting time targets, at last met December 20 15. The four
:09:51. > :09:58.hour a and E target, last met the lie 2015. -- delighted 715. The 80
:09:59. > :10:03.minute ambulance response target, for urgent calls, last night made
:10:04. > :10:07.2015. The consequence of these failings as millions of more people
:10:08. > :10:11.every year, waiting in pain for urgent care or waiting with
:10:12. > :10:16.discomfort for routine treatments. Before the general election was
:10:17. > :10:21.called, you will recall the chief executive of NHS admitting that
:10:22. > :10:24.because of Tory underfunding, the 18 week target for treatment would not
:10:25. > :10:32.be met for at least several years. Legal opinion, we have sought from
:10:33. > :10:35.the QC, suggest this is a breach of legal rights in the NHS
:10:36. > :10:40.Constitution. But the analysis we are publishing today, reveals under
:10:41. > :10:46.the Conservatives, waiting lists are set to grow even further. Another
:10:47. > :10:51.five years of the Tory government, would bring five more years of
:10:52. > :10:56.underfunding, five more years of growing waiting lists, and five more
:10:57. > :11:01.years of patients being let down. On current projections, if the Tories
:11:02. > :11:10.are re-elected by 2022, a 3.5 million people will wait more than
:11:11. > :11:17.four hours in A each year. 800,000 will wait more than four hours in
:11:18. > :11:21.hospital trolleys. 2 million hospital bed days will be lost
:11:22. > :11:27.because of delayed transfers of care. 1.5 million people will have
:11:28. > :11:33.an met care needs. And more than a 5.5 million people will be on the
:11:34. > :11:38.waiting list for NHS treatment. In other words, thousands of patients
:11:39. > :11:42.every single day being let down by the Tories, being denied the care
:11:43. > :11:46.they need and deserve, and having their health but at risk because of
:11:47. > :11:50.the damaging policies of the right wing Tory government who do not
:11:51. > :11:56.believe in our NHS. Labour has been very clear in this election about
:11:57. > :12:02.our plans for the NHS. ?27 billion extra funding over the parliament.
:12:03. > :12:07.?10 billion of capital funding to invest in NHS infrastructure.
:12:08. > :12:13.Patient guarantees to legal rights to be enshrined in the NHS
:12:14. > :12:17.Constitution. And a renewed focus on keeping people fit and well to
:12:18. > :12:24.reduce demands on the NHS. At the same time, the Conservatives in this
:12:25. > :12:28.election are misleading voters about their record and are being dishonest
:12:29. > :12:33.with voters about their plans for the future. In conclusion, the
:12:34. > :12:36.choice of this election is now clear. It's a choice between
:12:37. > :12:41.investment in the NHS with Labour, but is now more money for the NHS
:12:42. > :12:48.under the Tories. It is a choice between waiting lists falling by a
:12:49. > :12:52.million with Labour, versus waiting lists rising by a million under the
:12:53. > :12:57.Tories. Patients and people first with Labour, versus cuts and
:12:58. > :13:01.closures under the Tories. A vote for Labour next Thursday is a vote
:13:02. > :13:06.for our children's education, it is a vote for our NHS, it is a vote for
:13:07. > :13:15.Britain but what future, average for the many, not the few, thank you. --
:13:16. > :13:23.a vote for the future, a vote for the many. Thank you. Our schools
:13:24. > :13:26.have reached crisis point. The Tories are cutting school budgets
:13:27. > :13:31.for the first time since the mid-19 90s. There is a crisis in her
:13:32. > :13:39.teacher and recruitment retention that is getting worse every year.
:13:40. > :13:45.Schools up and down the country are struggling to keep the lights on.
:13:46. > :13:50.And are constantly faced with the impossible decisions of which
:13:51. > :13:59.teacher to make redundant. Or which subject to be removed from the
:14:00. > :14:03.curriculum. That is the impact of the Conservatives' education policy.
:14:04. > :14:09.A crisis in our schools which is narrowing our children's horizons
:14:10. > :14:14.and opportunities. Just last month, a school in the Prime Minister's own
:14:15. > :14:17.constituencies sent a letter home to parents telling them that due to the
:14:18. > :14:21.cuts, they were letting go of teachers. Getting rid of subjects.
:14:22. > :14:31.And their school library. Theresa May can't even keep the
:14:32. > :14:38.promises she makes to her own constituents, so how is anyone to
:14:39. > :14:42.trust a word she says? At the same time that the Tories are cutting
:14:43. > :14:48.school budgets, they are also failing to recruit the teachers our
:14:49. > :14:51.children need. They have missed their own teacher recruitment
:14:52. > :14:58.targets for the previous five years and the number of unqualified
:14:59. > :15:04.teachers have shot up by 52% since the Tories relaxed the rules on
:15:05. > :15:12.teacher quality in 2012. This is the reality of education in England at
:15:13. > :15:18.under Theresa May. We are here today to set out what five more years of
:15:19. > :15:23.Tories could spelt out for our schools. The ISS have confirmed that
:15:24. > :15:31.the supposed extra money that Tories will put into our schools will still
:15:32. > :15:37.leave cuts to per-pupil spending of around 7% between 2016 and 2022 of
:15:38. > :15:43.the next Parliament. So what would that mean? The education select
:15:44. > :15:48.committee have been clear about the cuts to our school budgets and what
:15:49. > :15:54.that will mean. Larger class sizes and more reliance on unqualified
:15:55. > :15:59.teachers. If class sizes increase at the same rate, and they will if the
:16:00. > :16:06.Tories continue to spend scarce resources on building free schools
:16:07. > :16:09.where they are not required, we could see 650,000 children in class
:16:10. > :16:17.sizes of over 30. And as schools sizes of over 30. And as schools
:16:18. > :16:24.struggle to plug the holes left by the Tory cuts, it is likely that
:16:25. > :16:28.they will rely more on more -- more and more on unqualified teachers who
:16:29. > :16:34.are cheaper to employ. At the current rate we could be looking at
:16:35. > :16:41.40,000 unqualified teachers in our schools by 2022. The Tories are a
:16:42. > :16:50.threat to the excellent school standards our children deserve.
:16:51. > :16:54.There is nothing in the Tory manifesto about school buildings,
:16:55. > :17:03.despite the fact that the school estate is crumbling with over 60% of
:17:04. > :17:08.school buildings being built before 1976. They also appear to have
:17:09. > :17:14.remained on the commitment to not allow schools to be run for
:17:15. > :17:23.not-for-profit. The Tories over this country some honesty. Why would they
:17:24. > :17:30.allow this damaging practice? If they do, we will see a race to the
:17:31. > :17:33.bottom in school standards, as has happened in other countries. And
:17:34. > :17:39.what is all the more shocking is that against this backdrop of
:17:40. > :17:43.failure and neglect the Tories are choosing to concentrate on building
:17:44. > :17:54.a handful of new selective schools for a handful of better of children.
:17:55. > :17:58.They are the same old Tories. Our schools and our children's teachers
:17:59. > :18:05.are not safe under the Tories and Labour would do things differently.
:18:06. > :18:11.We will build a unified national education service to support
:18:12. > :18:20.everyone in our country through education from cradle to grave. We
:18:21. > :18:23.believe education is a right and not the privilege it has become in Tory
:18:24. > :18:27.England. We will invest in our schools make sure they are resourced
:18:28. > :18:37.Byrum reversing the short-sighted Tory cuts. A Labour government will
:18:38. > :18:42.cap class sizes at 34 five, and seven-year-olds to make sure that
:18:43. > :18:48.children get the attention they need and teachers can effectively
:18:49. > :18:52.reinstate order to our classrooms. We will deliver free school meals
:18:53. > :19:00.for all primary school children to make sure that no child is allowed
:19:01. > :19:04.to go hungry at school and we will pay for it by removing the VAT
:19:05. > :19:10.exemptions on private schools because it is the right thing to do.
:19:11. > :19:18.We would celebrate teachers and not talk them down. Our children deserve
:19:19. > :19:25.the best this country can give them an under a Labour government and
:19:26. > :19:29.with me as your Secretary of State for Education, every child across
:19:30. > :19:41.Britain will be able to reach their full potential. Angela, thank you
:19:42. > :19:44.very much. I think you got a star pitcher there from Jeremy, Jonathan
:19:45. > :19:49.and Angela of what the outcomes could be of another five years of a
:19:50. > :19:53.Tory government. We have time for a few questions. If you could say who
:19:54. > :20:01.you are first that will be really helpful. Laura and then John.
:20:02. > :20:04.Immigration has been one of the public's and serves many years. You
:20:05. > :20:09.said it will probably come down under your government mother can you
:20:10. > :20:17.tell us how your immigration policy would work exactly? And if not, why
:20:18. > :20:21.not? May also ask you to put us out of our misery to say whether or not
:20:22. > :20:29.you will be attending the BBC debate later this evening whether you were
:20:30. > :20:33.send someone else in your place? I'll take the questions in groups of
:20:34. > :20:36.three. We might not built to help you out on that one just yet Laura,
:20:37. > :20:49.but you will be one of the first to know. Jonathan? Andy Bell. Sorry.
:20:50. > :20:54.It's been said that your tax-and-spend plans are not you
:20:55. > :21:00.being honest with the British public. It said you will have to
:21:01. > :21:10.find more tags from other people. Is there one more? Jack. The is a
:21:11. > :21:14.surprising poll in the Times this morning, suggesting we are all calls
:21:15. > :21:18.for a hung parliament. I will be interested to ask Jeremy how would
:21:19. > :21:23.you respond in that situation, if next Friday there is hung parliament
:21:24. > :21:33.and you need to form a coalition. What will you do? Who wants to go
:21:34. > :21:38.first on those of questions? Anju? I don't trust polls. Anyone who does
:21:39. > :21:45.trust them at the moment is naive to say the least. The Labour Party are
:21:46. > :21:49.in it to win it. We have just outlined what a disastrous seven
:21:50. > :21:53.years the Tories have been to Britain and we have just said what
:21:54. > :21:57.an opportunity it will be for Britain if they elect a Labour
:21:58. > :22:04.government because I believe our manifesto is finishing the work of
:22:05. > :22:07.the manifesto we brought out, the Labour government of 1995. Our
:22:08. > :22:11.national education service will transform Britain so that our young
:22:12. > :22:15.people don't feel left behind and our older people aren't asked to pay
:22:16. > :22:21.for their care by the governments matching the houses,, which may I
:22:22. > :22:29.add, Margaret Thatcher wanted to buy in the first place. -- wanted them
:22:30. > :22:32.to buy in the first place. We think we can raise the money from the tax
:22:33. > :22:39.changes we are proposing. It is difficult for us to do an analysis
:22:40. > :22:50.against the Conservative Party figures because it's not clear what
:22:51. > :22:54.they are proposing to do. They have broken tax promises before. They
:22:55. > :22:58.said previously they would not increase VAT and they have. This
:22:59. > :23:09.Prime Minister wanted to increase national insurance, despite the
:23:10. > :23:14.pledge previously. Our plans for expenditure on the NHS and schools,
:23:15. > :23:20.they do recognise we will be putting in more money than the Conservatives
:23:21. > :23:25.are proposing. I take you back to the start of my hesitation. Jeremy
:23:26. > :23:29.Hunt told the people that the Conservatives will be putting more
:23:30. > :23:34.money into the NHS. Within days that claim has been blown apart by the
:23:35. > :23:39.independent ISS and this election is a big choice now between investment
:23:40. > :23:42.in the national health service with the Labour Party or continued
:23:43. > :23:47.financial squeeze on the NHS under the Conservatives would the impact
:23:48. > :23:48.that standards of care for patients will deteriorate further if the
:23:49. > :23:58.Conservatives get re-elected next week. John and Angela could not put
:23:59. > :24:05.it better. Essentially the choice is, do you continue with the damage
:24:06. > :24:08.to our public services, damage to education and health, or do you
:24:09. > :24:12.elect a Labour government that will do things in a totally different
:24:13. > :24:22.direction and different way. That is the message we're out today. On the
:24:23. > :24:26.questions of immigration, Laura. When we moved the European Union,
:24:27. > :24:31.Freedom movement ends within the European Union as far as Britain is
:24:32. > :24:35.concerned. We've made that clear. We've made it clear we will
:24:36. > :24:42.legislate immediately, as we tried to do when Andy Burnham announced
:24:43. > :24:49.the resolution to this effect regarding EU nationals having the
:24:50. > :24:53.right to remain in Britain. The same applies to UK nationals in Europe.
:24:54. > :24:58.Under manage migration which will come after we leave the European
:24:59. > :25:03.Union, it will be based on the needs of our economy and rights of family
:25:04. > :25:10.reunion, and it will absolutely prevent unscrupulous employers
:25:11. > :25:14.importing whole scale workforces from lower paid regimes in order to
:25:15. > :25:19.come to this country and undercut people that work in this country. So
:25:20. > :25:24.we will end that appalling race to the bottom which does so much damage
:25:25. > :25:31.to community cohesion and relations between workers was the employer was
:25:32. > :25:35.-- whilst the employer laughs all the way to the bank. I am not going
:25:36. > :25:41.to make false promises in the way that Theresa May did in 2010 and
:25:42. > :25:45.2015 and as she is making at this time. We will manage migration based
:25:46. > :25:50.on the needs of this country. We also have to be very clear that we
:25:51. > :25:55.have a skill shortage because this government has not invested enough
:25:56. > :26:00.in training and education and that skill shortage has to be met from
:26:01. > :26:04.somewhere. If we did not have migrant workers, either from outside
:26:05. > :26:06.or inside Europe working in our national health service, as I am
:26:07. > :26:11.sure John will confirm, it would be sure John will confirm, it would be
:26:12. > :26:14.in an even worse state than it is at the present time. Likewise the
:26:15. > :26:18.thousands who teach in our schools and help our children. Where
:26:19. > :26:24.communities have had large numbers of people moving in and greater
:26:25. > :26:29.demands have been placed on local public services, we will reinstate
:26:30. > :26:31.the special fund that the previous Labour governments instituted to
:26:32. > :26:39.assist local authorities in both areas. I simply say this. There is
:26:40. > :26:44.something very odd about going down to sky-macro the other night. Being
:26:45. > :26:48.brought in front of the audience, happy to do so. I sat in front of
:26:49. > :26:53.Jeremy Paxman and an utter pleasure it was as well to be having a chat
:26:54. > :26:57.with Jeremy Paxman for a while. There is no finer way to spend
:26:58. > :27:03.Monday evening. And then the Prime Minister is hiding away in a room
:27:04. > :27:11.upstairs, only to come down and do exactly the same. Howard Apuleius --
:27:12. > :27:20.how ridiculous is that? Come on Prime Minister, let's have a chat. I
:27:21. > :27:26.am sure she is watching this. She's not that busy. Come and have a
:27:27. > :27:33.debate, change your mind. On Andy's question on the ISS. The ISS has
:27:34. > :27:39.stated in stark terms what the Conservative government would do if
:27:40. > :27:49.re-elected. It has also analysed our plans. They have not costed the
:27:50. > :27:52.effect of our new taxes on overseas property, for example, because they
:27:53. > :27:57.don't exist that the present time and therefore they did not feel able
:27:58. > :28:01.to give a prediction of the income from them. We are very confident
:28:02. > :28:04.that everything we have put forward in this document is about funding
:28:05. > :28:10.our manifesto is a robust and will stand up and will deliver a step
:28:11. > :28:16.change the people of this country and 95% will pay no more in tax on
:28:17. > :28:20.national insurance, will benefit from Alberta Health Services, better
:28:21. > :28:25.schools and investment across the whole country in all regions of
:28:26. > :28:29.England as well as in Scotland and Wales on improved infrastructure.
:28:30. > :28:33.And on the last point that Jack so kindly raised, I never comment on
:28:34. > :28:39.opinion polls, but this election campaign is going very well.
:28:40. > :28:44.Thousands of people are joining our campaign and joining the Labour
:28:45. > :28:49.Party and do you know what? The average donation online at our party
:28:50. > :28:53.head office is ?22. This is ordinary people giving their money because
:28:54. > :28:56.they want a political change in this country and I am looking forward to
:28:57. > :29:09.the result which will be announced on June the 9th. Thank you Jeremy.
:29:10. > :29:13.And plead to Theresa May it's not too late for her to change her mind.
:29:14. > :29:25.I will take three more. From here, but back and over there. Following
:29:26. > :29:36.on Laura's question, you talked about migrant workers being needed.
:29:37. > :29:43.I would like your comments on whether or not you will be allowing
:29:44. > :29:56.unskilled workers into the country. Also do you have a plan regarding
:29:57. > :30:05.the Brexit talks? Man in the white shirt and then the blue tie? Polls
:30:06. > :30:15.aside, voters have a right to know the party's potential negotiating
:30:16. > :30:21.stance in advance. You rule of coalition. Do you have any deal to
:30:22. > :30:26.keep the Tories out? If we have time, we will do three more
:30:27. > :30:34.afterwards. Jeremy, you have tweeted this morning that yourself and Kvyat
:30:35. > :30:40.Dugdale are of one mind of over the Scottish referendum. If you become
:30:41. > :30:44.Prime Minister, will you tell Nicola Sturgeon to take it off the table
:30:45. > :30:48.for at least the next five years. And whilst you were working for
:30:49. > :30:50.peace in Northern Ireland, did you ever publicly call for an IRA
:30:51. > :30:59.ceasefire? Is OK. Thanks for your question.
:31:00. > :31:05.What you have been reading is a document that was being discussed
:31:06. > :31:10.between researchers in our teens as happens every day of the week in
:31:11. > :31:14.every party and all around Parliament. Our policy is in our
:31:15. > :31:22.manifesto. That is the policy that will be carried out. On the plan for
:31:23. > :31:31.Brexit, we accept the result of the referendum. We are leaving the EU.
:31:32. > :31:36.Strong negotiation is one, tariff free access to the European market,
:31:37. > :31:41.too. We will legislate and protect the rights of EU nationals living in
:31:42. > :31:45.Britain. Three, we will protect the rights and regulations that we have
:31:46. > :31:51.achieved through EU membership. And there will be other areas especially
:31:52. > :31:57.that we want to remain part of. Such as security sharing, issues of
:31:58. > :32:03.environment pollution and control. All those things are very important.
:32:04. > :32:06.Crucially, it has to be tariff free trade access to the European market,
:32:07. > :32:11.much of our Manufacturing industry relies both on a market in Europe
:32:12. > :32:14.and also a supply chain in Europe. Quite a lot of European industry
:32:15. > :32:19.also relies on a supply chain from this country. That will be the key
:32:20. > :32:24.points of negotiation that we are putting forward. Keir Starmer is an
:32:25. > :32:28.extremely experienced and very well qualified legal brain. There is no
:32:29. > :32:32.finer legal brain even in this room than Keir Starmer. He will be the
:32:33. > :32:37.one to lead our negotiations. I'm looking forward to key are doing
:32:38. > :32:42.that, and obviously all those other capital will be part of it. George,
:32:43. > :32:47.I think you spend too much time at Westminster, if I say so. You should
:32:48. > :32:53.get out of it more. I really believe that. What you would see outside is
:32:54. > :32:56.a very different story. The enthusiasm, the change, the whole
:32:57. > :33:02.ambition of people to win this election for Labour, to elect a
:33:03. > :33:06.Labour government with a majority to carry out what will be an agenda
:33:07. > :33:11.double radically improve the lives of so many people and give young
:33:12. > :33:18.people confidence in their own future, rather than a future of
:33:19. > :33:21.debt, underfunded schools, insecurity and low-paid jobs. I
:33:22. > :33:26.invite you to join us when we celebrate victory. Is that all
:33:27. > :33:29.right, George? If you want to see the enthusiasm around the country,
:33:30. > :33:35.please join us. It's fun. You'll enjoy it, I promise you. You really
:33:36. > :33:42.well. Kevin. Your question on the Scottish referendum. Obviously the
:33:43. > :33:47.Scottish Parliament has taken a view will stop I believe that the last
:33:48. > :33:53.thing Scotland needs now is that debate. What is needed now is a
:33:54. > :33:57.serious debate about the problems of underfunding public services in
:33:58. > :34:00.Scotland. The way in which the SNP government has declined to use the
:34:01. > :34:05.tax-raising powers it has in order to ameliorate the effects of
:34:06. > :34:09.austerity by the Westminster government, and I think it would be
:34:10. > :34:13.extremely wrong and unwise to go into a referendum while the Brexit
:34:14. > :34:18.negotiations are going on. The invitation I would give to the
:34:19. > :34:23.Scottish Government is, think again. The important thing now is to get a
:34:24. > :34:26.deal with the European Union that guarantees trade access to the
:34:27. > :34:32.European markets, to protect our jobs and our industries in this
:34:33. > :34:37.country. Over Northern Ireland, I always wanted there to be a
:34:38. > :34:41.ceasefire. I supported ceasefires, there was one ceasefire under the
:34:42. > :34:44.Major government which unfortunately collapsed, but another one was
:34:45. > :34:48.instituted very quickly on the election of the Labour government in
:34:49. > :34:54.1997. I think we should pay huge tribute to that government in
:34:55. > :35:01.achieving that. The peace process is achieving that. The peace process is
:35:02. > :35:06.something people from all around the world have learned from. There were
:35:07. > :35:11.people on both sides in Northern Ireland who met, but the principle
:35:12. > :35:14.of the ceasefire and the 1997 agreement, the Good Friday
:35:15. > :35:19.Agreement, was that both sides had to recognise there was a shared and
:35:20. > :35:23.different cultural history in the past in Ireland and that stood the
:35:24. > :35:26.test of time. We still have that government system in Northern
:35:27. > :35:30.Ireland and I think we should be pleased about that. Those of us that
:35:31. > :35:34.took up cases of what we believe to be miscarriages of justice, I think
:35:35. > :35:37.we are right to do so. Those that try to encourage people to come to
:35:38. > :35:43.the table and talk, I think were absolutely right to do so. Thanks
:35:44. > :35:46.Jeremy. Only time the two more questions now, apologies. To the
:35:47. > :35:50.back and the lady in red who has been waving. And the lady in the
:35:51. > :35:56.grey jacket here. Please state your names. Thank you. Tamara Cohen from
:35:57. > :36:01.Sky News. You criticise the Conservatives on social care, but
:36:02. > :36:05.what does Labour think is a reasonable amount for people to pay
:36:06. > :36:13.for social care over their lifetime? Is it the ?72,000 and judo mats
:36:14. > :36:16.nested, or if not, what is it? Theresa May said yesterday that if
:36:17. > :36:20.you were negotiating Brexit, she said you would be alone and naked in
:36:21. > :36:32.the negotiating chamber. What would you say to her? Not a pretty sight.
:36:33. > :36:38.Sorry! Over here. I'm only joking. Kate Dublin, from the Herald. Mr
:36:39. > :36:42.people on both sides of the divide people on both sides of the divide
:36:43. > :36:47.in Northern Ireland. I'm wondering if during those years, you ever met
:36:48. > :36:52.with political representatives of loyalist militant groups? John, do
:36:53. > :36:59.you want to pick up on social care first of all? Social care, as we all
:37:00. > :37:04.know, has quite rightly become one of the big issues of the selection
:37:05. > :37:06.following the chaos of the Tory manifesto with the dementia tax. It
:37:07. > :37:12.is something which has been raised all the time on the doorstep,
:37:13. > :37:15.particularly in marginal constituencies across the country.
:37:16. > :37:19.We know that social care has been in crisis for some time. 4.6 billion
:37:20. > :37:24.has been cut from social care over the last six or seven years. Surrey
:37:25. > :37:29.County Council were pleading for special arrangements with the
:37:30. > :37:31.government because social care crisis hitting their area. We have
:37:32. > :37:35.some will put more money into social care. It needs an emergency
:37:36. > :37:39.injection of money and we will provide that. We will do 8 billion
:37:40. > :37:44.across Parliament. On specifics of a cap, you will also recall Jeremy
:37:45. > :37:50.Hunt on the today programme, on the morning of the manifesto launch,
:37:51. > :37:53.ruling out a cap. Quite clear and stark terms, he has been made to
:37:54. > :37:59.look rather silly now, consequently following the prime ministers
:38:00. > :38:06.panicked, chaotic manoeuvre. But we believe that the principles of
:38:07. > :38:09.sound. We will want to consult on the principles of deal not, and we
:38:10. > :38:16.will want to move over a Parliament to a national care service. We
:38:17. > :38:21.believe we have to proceed with consensus. We are happy and keen to
:38:22. > :38:25.talk to other political parties across Parliament, opposition
:38:26. > :38:31.parties, conservatives and liberals. About what that final social care
:38:32. > :38:35.settlement looks like. What you have not got with us is the
:38:36. > :38:38.shilly-shallying around of social care that you have seen with the
:38:39. > :38:44.Conservative government. We're going to but substantive... The people who
:38:45. > :38:53.have been denied social care deserve better. I'm going to ask Jeremy to
:38:54. > :38:57.respond to the other questions. John has made the points on social care
:38:58. > :39:04.that we will put money in immediately. The fact the
:39:05. > :39:07.Conservatives have done a U-turn on the manifesto is I think a record
:39:08. > :39:13.breaker in British political history. We will fund social care
:39:14. > :39:15.properly, we will have a national social care system, and please
:39:16. > :39:24.understand the stress that families and individuals go through.
:39:25. > :39:27.Individuals, often the elderly and alone, stuck in hospital beds
:39:28. > :39:31.because they cannot get the care they need. Families stressed out
:39:32. > :39:34.because a relative cannot get the support they need, and people,
:39:35. > :39:38.work to care for them. Those with work to care for them. Those with
:39:39. > :39:41.multiple needs disabled children or those with learning difficulties not
:39:42. > :39:46.getting the support they need. Social care, I think, is fundamental
:39:47. > :39:50.to how you live in a decent civilised society. We are determined
:39:51. > :39:56.to achieve a good quality social care system that takes stress away
:39:57. > :39:58.from people. On the attitude the Prime Minister takes towards
:39:59. > :40:02.negotiations, I certainly would not use language like that myself. I
:40:03. > :40:09.think it's totally inappropriate to describe anyone as naked. Even me.
:40:10. > :40:12.We will approach the negotiations as I have set out in a very serious
:40:13. > :40:19.way. Primarily to gain and continue this
:40:20. > :40:23.tariff free access to the EU market. But we are not approaching
:40:24. > :40:26.negotiations by threatening Europe. By threatening that if you do not
:40:27. > :40:33.give us everything we want on day one, we will walk away, slash
:40:34. > :40:36.corporation tax, given lots of giveaways to very big corporations
:40:37. > :40:41.in order to set up some kind of rival tax haven on the shores of
:40:42. > :40:45.Europe. We are leaving the EU, we are still going to have to have a
:40:46. > :40:49.relationship with Europe in the future. That will be the basis of
:40:50. > :40:54.our negotiations. We will approach them obviously immediately after the
:40:55. > :40:58.election on those principal basis. We have been reaching out already.
:40:59. > :41:04.Keir Starmer has visited most of the capitals across Europe, met the
:41:05. > :41:08.27 parliaments are going to have to 27 parliaments are going to have to
:41:09. > :41:12.ultimately vote on this as well as the European Parliament. Of course
:41:13. > :41:17.the commission as well. We have been standing up for the needs of the
:41:18. > :41:22.economy and people of this country but we will be having sensible and
:41:23. > :41:26.serious negotiations, and that is our determination to achieve that
:41:27. > :41:31.tariff free access to the European market. On the points that Kate
:41:32. > :41:36.raised, yes, I met many people in Northern Ireland over many years. On
:41:37. > :41:43.both sides, I had long conversations with David Ervine. And others. Who
:41:44. > :41:47.had out of the different traditions in Northern Ireland. But let's be
:41:48. > :41:54.positive. A peace process was achieved. By the leaders of all of
:41:55. > :41:59.the major parties, stepping out of their comfort zone in order to meet
:42:00. > :42:03.each other and agree a long-term peace strategy. Absolutely
:42:04. > :42:06.remarkable achievement. It's been used as a template for peace
:42:07. > :42:11.processes in other parts of the world. I think it is something a lot
:42:12. > :42:15.of people should be very proud of, that that was achieved, because the
:42:16. > :42:18.alternative is to go back to the horrors of the troubles, the horrors
:42:19. > :42:26.of the suspension of so much of the normal liberties of people in
:42:27. > :42:27.Northern Ireland, because of the troubles at that time. Let's be
:42:28. > :42:30.positive at the achievements that were made during that period. This
:42:31. > :42:35.conference is about our future, it is about health, it is about
:42:36. > :42:39.election, our party is putting election, our party is putting
:42:40. > :42:43.something positive forward, confident, hopeful and optimistic
:42:44. > :42:48.for the people of Britain. We are not threatening with another five
:42:49. > :42:51.years of cuts, closures and loss of jobs and lower wages. That is the
:42:52. > :42:58.difference between us and the Conservatives. The final word,
:42:59. > :43:01.Angie? Since being elected to Parliament two years ago, I have
:43:02. > :43:06.talked a lot about my upbringing and the fact that I grew up on a council
:43:07. > :43:11.estate and my mum could not read or write. The deprivation that I saw
:43:12. > :43:16.when I was going up. I do not do it because I'm extraordinary, I do it
:43:17. > :43:21.to show how ordinary I am. I do it to tell the British public about
:43:22. > :43:27.what the National education service that Labour are producing will mean
:43:28. > :43:31.to them. The sure start centres that Labour instigated in the last
:43:32. > :43:36.government that allowed me to be a better parent enabled me to be a
:43:37. > :43:41.good mum at 16. I'm proud of Labour's legacy and I'm hurt, and
:43:42. > :43:47.other communities are hurt, by the devastation of the cuts and the
:43:48. > :43:51.losses to that programme. The childcare, working for barely any
:43:52. > :43:57.money as a woman to keep a foot on the ladder, the career ladder,
:43:58. > :44:01.because we know if we leave our careers to go off we will not be
:44:02. > :44:06.able to continue. That inequality grows in our country. Many working
:44:07. > :44:12.families across the UK cannot afford the childcare in this country. Our
:44:13. > :44:15.National education service and our announcement yesterday on the 30
:44:16. > :44:21.hours of free childcare for all two to four-year-olds and the investment
:44:22. > :44:26.back into our sure start centres shows you that under Labour,
:44:27. > :44:31.children like me, all children, adults across the UK, will get those
:44:32. > :44:34.opportunities. I think that is what Britain is asking for, demanding,
:44:35. > :44:39.and the Tories will tell you you can have it. Well, Britain. You can.
:44:40. > :44:46.It's your judgment on junior eight. Vote Labour and the change. Thank
:44:47. > :45:20.you. Passion and pragmatism in one leap. Thanks everybody.
:45:21. > :45:29.The 2017 general election is upon us. Every day BBC Parliament will
:45:30. > :45:30.have key speeches from the main players, awful and uncut, as