Live Labour Campaign Conference

:02:09. > :02:13.Theresa May has a clear plan for Brexit and for a better future for

:02:14. > :02:17.our country. She has the strength and ability needed to see that plan

:02:18. > :02:19.through. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome the Prime Minister,

:02:20. > :02:53.Theresa May. Thank you very much. Today, as we

:02:54. > :02:58.face this critical election for our country am I launched my manifesto

:02:59. > :03:06.for Britain's future. A manifesto to see us through Brexit and beyond. A

:03:07. > :03:11.plan for a stronger, fairer, more prosperous Britain. They plan to

:03:12. > :03:15.seize the opportunities ahead. And to build a country that our children

:03:16. > :03:24.and grandchildren are proud to call home. It is a detailed programme for

:03:25. > :03:29.government. Rooted in the hopes and aspirations of ordinary working

:03:30. > :03:34.people across the land. But it is more than that. It is a vision for

:03:35. > :03:38.Britain. A portrait of the kind of country I want this nation to be

:03:39. > :03:45.after Brexit. As we chart our own way in the world. For at this

:03:46. > :03:50.defining moment for the United Kingdom, as we embark on this

:03:51. > :03:54.momentous journey for our nation, we have a chance to step back and ask

:03:55. > :04:01.ourselves what kind of country we want to build together. I believe

:04:02. > :04:06.that our United Kingdom can emerge from this period of national change

:04:07. > :04:13.than ever before. I believe we can than ever before. I believe we can

:04:14. > :04:17.be a country that stands tall in the world and provides leadership on

:04:18. > :04:24.some of the greatest challenges of our time. And I believe we can and

:04:25. > :04:28.must take this opportunity to build a great meritocracy here in Britain.

:04:29. > :04:34.Let me be clear about what that means. It means making Britain a

:04:35. > :04:40.country where everyone, whatever background, has the chance to go as

:04:41. > :04:56.far as their talent and hard work will take them. It means making

:04:57. > :05:01.Britain were not just for the privileged few but for everyone. A

:05:02. > :05:04.country where it doesn't matter where you were born, what your

:05:05. > :05:09.accent sounds like, what God you worship, whether you are a man or

:05:10. > :05:14.woman, gay or straight, or black or white. A country in which all that

:05:15. > :05:18.matters is the talent you have and how hard you are prepared to work.

:05:19. > :05:24.And that is the kind of Britain I want us to build together. Because

:05:25. > :05:28.as we leave the European Union and set ourselves a new course, we need

:05:29. > :05:35.to make the most of all the talent in this country. For Britain to

:05:36. > :05:39.succeed, we need to unleash the ability of every person, harnessed

:05:40. > :05:42.the creativity of every business, support the ambition and

:05:43. > :05:49.entrepreneurialism in every sector. We need to embrace what is before

:05:50. > :05:54.us, believing in Britain and the enduring power of the British

:05:55. > :06:01.spirit. And we need to look forward not back. Believing that despite our

:06:02. > :06:11.great heritage, we have an even greater future. And that we can

:06:12. > :06:12.build that brighter future together. It is no doubt that it will not be

:06:13. > :06:26.easy. Many will Willis to fail. But, with

:06:27. > :06:31.discipline and focus effort and hard work and above all a unity of

:06:32. > :06:36.purpose stretching across this precious union of nations from north

:06:37. > :06:42.to south and east to west, I believe we can and must go forward together.

:06:43. > :06:47.To do that we need a new contract between government and people. We

:06:48. > :06:52.need a government that is strong enough to act and humble enough to

:06:53. > :06:57.listen. Responsive enough to people's needs and stable enough to

:06:58. > :07:02.get on with the job and deliver. We need to unite behind a clear plan to

:07:03. > :07:09.make the most of the opportunities ahead. That is what this manifesto

:07:10. > :07:15.offers a clear plan to meet the big challenges we face together. A

:07:16. > :07:21.credible, deliverable programme for government around which the country

:07:22. > :07:25.can unite. A plan that, unlike the offerings of other parties, is

:07:26. > :07:31.upfront and honest about the scale of the task we face, what we say in

:07:32. > :07:39.it we will do and the scale of our ambition is clear. Because it is the

:07:40. > :07:44.responsibility of leadership to be up front and straight with people

:07:45. > :07:48.about the challenges ahead about the difficult decisions and trade-offs

:07:49. > :07:56.that need to be made. And the hard work required to overcome the

:07:57. > :08:01.obstacles in Norway. That is what this manifesto does. -- with the

:08:02. > :08:06.obstacles in our way. It identifies the five great challenges that we

:08:07. > :08:12.a strong economy, too, responding to a strong economy, too, responding to

:08:13. > :08:20.Brexit and a changing world, three, tackling enjoying social division,

:08:21. > :08:26.fore, responding to an ageing society, and five, facing up to fast

:08:27. > :08:36.changing technology. It sets out what we will do to address each one.

:08:37. > :08:42.And in doing so it offers a vision for Britain in the years and decades

:08:43. > :08:45.ahead, a stronger Britain where everyone has the economic security

:08:46. > :08:48.they need to and the chance to live a secure and full life. And more

:08:49. > :08:51.prosperous Britain where each prosperous Britain where each

:08:52. > :09:01.generation can do better than the last. But, all of this depends on

:09:02. > :09:05.getting the next five years right. Make no mistake, the central

:09:06. > :09:11.challenge we face as negotiating the best deal for Britain in Europe. Our

:09:12. > :09:14.future prosperity, our place in the world, standard of living, the

:09:15. > :09:20.opportunities we want our children and our children's children, each

:09:21. > :09:24.and everyone depends on having the strongest possible hand as we enter

:09:25. > :09:30.the negotiations in order to get the best Brexit deal but families across

:09:31. > :09:34.the country. If we fail, the consequences for Britain and for the

:09:35. > :09:39.economic security of ordinary working people will be dire. If we

:09:40. > :09:46.succeed the opportunities ahead others are great. I have negotiated

:09:47. > :09:50.but Britain in Europe and I know the best place to start is to be clear

:09:51. > :09:56.about where you stand on what you want. That is why I have been clear

:09:57. > :10:02.that we do not seek to forge this issue, to be harping in and half out

:10:03. > :10:07.the newcomer the British people made their choice, I respect that. -- to

:10:08. > :10:13.be half in and half out. I respect the view of the other European

:10:14. > :10:17.leaders who agree. So, we will leave the European Union and take control

:10:18. > :10:24.of our money, our borders, pig control of our laws. We will forge a

:10:25. > :10:31.new deep and special partnership with Europe. -- pig control of our

:10:32. > :10:35.laws. We will strike new deals with old allies and new friends around

:10:36. > :10:41.the world, as well. We will make the decisions that matter to Britain,

:10:42. > :10:47.here in Britain. And be a great global trading nation stands tall in

:10:48. > :10:51.the world once again. If we get Brexit right, we will use this

:10:52. > :10:55.moment of change to bring a stronger, the more prosperous

:10:56. > :11:02.Britain here at home. That is the real prize, the gold towards which

:11:03. > :11:06.we must work. The too many people in Britain today, life is simply much

:11:07. > :11:13.harder than many seem to think all realise. They are not ideological,

:11:14. > :11:18.they do not buy into grand visions, they aren't fools by politicians who

:11:19. > :11:22.promise the earth but claim notes hot choices are required. They make

:11:23. > :11:26.this choice is every day in the own lives. -- book claim no tough

:11:27. > :11:30.choices are required. They understand the politicians much do

:11:31. > :11:33.the same. They do not ask for much, they just want to get on with their

:11:34. > :11:40.lives and do the best the children and be given the chance. They look

:11:41. > :11:45.to the government for and support. This party, the conservative and

:11:46. > :11:49.Unionist party will be that government. For while it is never

:11:50. > :11:54.true that government has all the answers, government put squarely at

:11:55. > :11:59.the service of ordinary working people, can and should be a force

:12:00. > :12:03.for good. A force that steps up and at in the interests of ordinary

:12:04. > :12:08.working people, that does not ignore the more walk unlike on the other

:12:09. > :12:14.side, but serves the interests of the mainstream of the British

:12:15. > :12:17.public. With the right Brexit deal secured, my mainstream government

:12:18. > :12:22.will deliver for mainstream Britain. All those who work hard and make

:12:23. > :12:26.this country what it is, people who have the job but don't always have

:12:27. > :12:30.job security, people that own the home but worry about paying the

:12:31. > :12:34.mortgage, people that can just about manage, but worry about the cost of

:12:35. > :12:38.living in getting their children into a good school. That is why the

:12:39. > :12:44.government I leave that will ensure that every area of this United

:12:45. > :12:46.Kingdom is able to prosper with a modern industrial strategy to spread

:12:47. > :12:51.opportunity across the whole country. Why the government I lead

:12:52. > :12:54.will build a Britain in which work pays, with a higher national living

:12:55. > :13:00.wage and proper rights and protection at work, whether

:13:01. > :13:04.government I lead keep taxes low and cap with an energy tariffs to help

:13:05. > :13:08.families who were working or the hours they can to pay the bills, why

:13:09. > :13:16.we will help those struggling to afford a home of their own to afford

:13:17. > :13:20.more affordable homes. It is why the government I lead will build a

:13:21. > :13:24.Britain with a strong economy to support world-class public services,

:13:25. > :13:28.with the most ambitious programme of investment in technologies and

:13:29. > :13:34.building that the NHS has ever seen. Record and fair funding the schools

:13:35. > :13:42.real technical education for young people and the first-ever proper

:13:43. > :13:46.plan to pay for and provide social care. Because, strong public

:13:47. > :13:50.services do not just provide security and enhance opportunity

:13:51. > :13:53.they are bike tour local and national institutions that Pringles

:13:54. > :13:56.altogether. -- they are vital local and national institutions. That

:13:57. > :14:09.Pringles altogether. For injustice is a scar on the soul

:14:10. > :14:15.of our nation and I will fight it where ever it is found, so for

:14:16. > :14:20.example, we will introduce the first new mental health Bill the 30 years

:14:21. > :14:25.to put parity of esteem at the heart of treatment and end the stigma of

:14:26. > :14:32.mental illness once and for all. But, most important of all, the

:14:33. > :14:37.government I lead will provide strong and stable leadership to see

:14:38. > :14:42.us through Brexit and beyond, tackling the long-term challenges we

:14:43. > :14:48.face and ensuring everyone in our country has the chance to get on in

:14:49. > :14:53.life. We need that strong and stable leadership now more than ever. For

:14:54. > :14:58.the next five years will be among the most challenging in our

:14:59. > :15:03.lifetime, a defining period for our nation, a turning point for Britain

:15:04. > :15:07.that will determine the kind of country we are and the kind of

:15:08. > :15:14.future generations that come afterwards will see. That is why now

:15:15. > :15:19.more than ever put in need strong and stable government, wine now more

:15:20. > :15:26.than ever Britain need strong leadership to make the most of the

:15:27. > :15:31.opportunities Brexit will bring, now more than ever Britain needs a clear

:15:32. > :15:38.plan and the determination and the will to see it through. And it is

:15:39. > :15:44.why in this election, more than any before it is time to put the old

:15:45. > :15:49.tribal politics behind us and to come together in the national

:15:50. > :15:54.interest United in our desire to make a success of Brexit, united in

:15:55. > :16:01.our desire to get the right result for Britain because every vote from

:16:02. > :16:05.me and my team in the selection will strengthen my hand in the

:16:06. > :16:10.negotiations to calm, every vote for me and my team will be a vote to get

:16:11. > :16:15.on with the job of delivering Brexit and delivering a strong animosity or

:16:16. > :16:20.future for all. Every vote for me and my team will be a vote for a

:16:21. > :16:24.stronger, fairer, more prosperous Britain and after all that is passed

:16:25. > :16:31.that is a vision of the future that can bring us together. So, I offer

:16:32. > :16:36.myself as your Prime Minister with a resolute determination to get on

:16:37. > :16:41.with the job of delivering Brexit, optimism that I can get a deal that

:16:42. > :16:46.works for all and confident in the belief that we have the vision, the

:16:47. > :16:54.plan and the will to use this moment to build a better Britain, with the

:16:55. > :16:59.right deal for Britain abroad is taking back control of our borders,

:17:00. > :17:02.our money and our laws, and a better deal for ordinary working people at

:17:03. > :17:08.home will stop a modern industrial strategy to spread prosperity around

:17:09. > :17:12.the country, exploiting the opportunities of technology to

:17:13. > :17:17.attract the jobs of the future to Britain, relief and family energy

:17:18. > :17:21.bills and the cost of living, more secure well paid jobs and new

:17:22. > :17:27.protections for workers, the chance to own a home and more affordable

:17:28. > :17:33.housing, a good school place every child with more money for schools

:17:34. > :17:40.every year. A strong economy to fund our NHS and give you the security

:17:41. > :17:45.you need, a stronger, fairer, more prosperous Britain that works for

:17:46. > :17:50.everyone not just a privilege you, that is the goal, that is the plan

:17:51. > :17:57.and now is the time. So, join me on this journey come with me as I lead

:17:58. > :18:02.Britain, strengthen my hand as I eyed the Britain and stand with me

:18:03. > :18:05.as I deliver for Britain and with confidence in ourselves and the

:18:06. > :18:07.unity of purpose in our country let us all go forward to get the.

:18:08. > :19:06.APPLAUSE APPLAUSE

:19:07. > :19:14.Thank you. Now, I apologise because I see the media the back of the

:19:15. > :19:17.room. Laura's thank you Prime Minister, BBC News, you are ditching

:19:18. > :19:22.much of the manifesto that you in your party stood on just two years

:19:23. > :19:27.ago. More families, including traditional Tory voters will have to

:19:28. > :19:31.pay more for elderly care, many families will lose heart mills for

:19:32. > :19:36.the children at school just a time when people are feeling the pinch.

:19:37. > :19:40.-- lose hot meals. You're pushing back balancing the books and

:19:41. > :19:44.immigration proposals might cost billions to the economy. When you

:19:45. > :19:52.put that altogether would in some voters be quite entitled to conclude

:19:53. > :19:54.that adds up to quite a bleak picture that you are putting

:19:55. > :19:56.forward? No, not at all what I'm putting forward is a vision for

:19:57. > :19:59.opportunity and prosperity across the whole of the country for the

:20:00. > :20:04.future, I've been clear there are some hard choices but active that is

:20:05. > :20:08.what strong and stable government and leadership is about, making sure

:20:09. > :20:13.we are honest with the public about the hard choices, but if you look at

:20:14. > :20:17.what we're doing for the first time ever we have a proper long-term plan

:20:18. > :20:22.for social care to ensure that all people have dignity in old age, but

:20:23. > :20:26.a plan that is further across the generations, yes, ensuring we are

:20:27. > :20:30.putting more money into our schools and giving every primary school

:20:31. > :20:34.child a breakfast before they start the school day, to set the school

:20:35. > :20:39.day off as well. In showing that we're putting more money into our

:20:40. > :20:41.NHS which is the biggest ever investment in technology and

:20:42. > :20:47.buildings in our national Health Service. But, you can only do that

:20:48. > :20:51.if we have a strong economy and having a strong economy is central

:20:52. > :20:56.to what we as conservatives do implement and to do that we also

:20:57. > :21:01.need to make sure it we get the Brexit negotiations right, so having

:21:02. > :21:04.that right leadership to take us in with a strong hand in the

:21:05. > :21:09.negotiations is so important and that is why I said every vote for me

:21:10. > :21:14.and my team will strengthen my hand in those Brexit negotiations to get

:21:15. > :21:21.the best double Britain. -- to get the best deal for Britain. Sky News,

:21:22. > :21:24.Prime Minister in the manifesto on page 36 you repeat we continue to

:21:25. > :21:31.believe that note deal is better than a bad deal for the UK, is this

:21:32. > :21:35.document a mandate but no deal? Are voters who vote for you except in

:21:36. > :21:40.that a possibility within the five years is that there could be no

:21:41. > :21:44.deal, and if that not the definition of potential chaos? This is a

:21:45. > :21:48.manifesto, this manifesto is a mandate and this election I want to

:21:49. > :21:52.give a mandate to a strong hand in the negotiations to get the best

:21:53. > :21:56.possible deal by the UK and by that I mean the best possible deal that

:21:57. > :22:01.everybody the United Kingdom, but to do that we need a strong hand in the

:22:02. > :22:05.negotiations and that is why as I said, every vote for me and my team

:22:06. > :22:09.is about that will strengthen my hand in those Brexit negotiations,

:22:10. > :22:16.we want to get the best double Britain, we want a deal that works

:22:17. > :22:19.every part of the United Kingdom and that is what we are determined to

:22:20. > :22:23.do. Did I see Andy Bell? Thank you very much, Andy Bell, Channel five

:22:24. > :22:27.news. Do you except under your social collapse plan that the

:22:28. > :22:32.majority of people currently receiving care in their own homes

:22:33. > :22:37.will end up worse off under your plaid? -- do you except under your

:22:38. > :22:42.social care plan. Aren't you turning your back a bit on the traditional

:22:43. > :22:47.Middle England that is put the Conservatives into power because you

:22:48. > :22:52.think you can find votes elsewhere? This is the first time that we have

:22:53. > :22:55.seen a proper long-term plan for the sustainability and social care in

:22:56. > :22:58.this country. We face a great challenge of an ageing population

:22:59. > :23:03.and it is right that anybody who wants to be Prime Minister faces up

:23:04. > :23:06.to that challenge and set it out clearly the people. What will we see

:23:07. > :23:10.we're making, we will see that those we're making, we will see that those

:23:11. > :23:14.elderly people who've been worried about how they pay the care in the

:23:15. > :23:18.home will not have to worry about that in the future, they will not

:23:19. > :23:25.have to pay while they are still alive, they wait to sell the home

:23:26. > :23:29.while they are living in it, what we also see his that those people who

:23:30. > :23:32.are worried that the savings, who have done the right thing and say to

:23:33. > :23:36.the life and worried the savings will dwindle to wretchedly nothing,

:23:37. > :23:44.we are quadrupling the threshold at which assets will be... What else do

:23:45. > :23:47.experts see from this? I expect to see action and improvement in the

:23:48. > :23:51.quality of social care that is available to people, expect people

:23:52. > :23:55.to be able to stay in their own homes longer, and that will mean

:23:56. > :24:04.less pressure on the NHS. I think I saw Gary... You said you wanted to

:24:05. > :24:08.be straight, can I just ask you following on from the previous

:24:09. > :24:15.question, everyone says there was a cart to getting net migration down,

:24:16. > :24:20.is it in billions? You said you wanted, throughout the manifesto,

:24:21. > :24:25.close injustice gaps, is there not a danger you are creating a whole new

:24:26. > :24:29.one between children of slightly better off parents who may be die of

:24:30. > :24:33.a heart attack or are treated for a medical condition, and slightly

:24:34. > :24:39.better of children of someone who has dementia? It looks like they get

:24:40. > :24:43.very different treatment under a Theresa May government under these

:24:44. > :24:50.plans. Throughout the manifesto, you give this is a hard time, energy

:24:51. > :24:57.companies with big names have slightly conned the customers,

:24:58. > :25:01.housing builders have been building quality houses, you say, do you

:25:02. > :25:05.think the Conservatives over the years have got to cosy with business

:25:06. > :25:11.and business has been too greedy? Festival, you put right a few issues

:25:12. > :25:15.in that question I have to say. LAUGHTER I think that was more than

:25:16. > :25:19.the one question which most people are asking. Just pick up on the

:25:20. > :25:23.immigration issue, I think it is right that we want to bring net

:25:24. > :25:28.migration to sustainable levels, in the tens of thousands, because of

:25:29. > :25:30.the impact that that uncontrolled migration has on people,

:25:31. > :25:35.particularly at the lower end of the income scale because it can hold

:25:36. > :25:40.down people's wages, it can mean a displacement of jobs, it puts

:25:41. > :25:45.pressure also on public services. What we are saying is that yes we

:25:46. > :25:49.want to increase the skilled charge, but that is because then that money

:25:50. > :25:54.can be put into ensuring that people here are being trained up to be able

:25:55. > :25:57.to take the jobs, I want to see people here having the skills to

:25:58. > :26:00.take on these jobs while we still have a system that brings the

:26:01. > :26:05.brightest and the best into the United Kingdom, and that is exactly

:26:06. > :26:12.what we will be doing. In terms of the question of business I think, we

:26:13. > :26:16.absolutely, clearly, said Al in the manifesto the key thing that we want

:26:17. > :26:20.to do the business which is to ensure that we have that strong

:26:21. > :26:24.economy and we want to be the best place for businesses to be set up,

:26:25. > :26:30.to grow, and to provide those jobs and investment here in the United

:26:31. > :26:33.Kingdom, but we do believe in responsible business. I think if you

:26:34. > :26:38.talk to business people they will also say that it is better to have

:26:39. > :26:41.an engaged workforce that is a content workforce that increases and

:26:42. > :26:45.improved productivity, and that is why think it is right to say that we

:26:46. > :26:49.need to ensure that workers have proper protections, but we do also

:26:50. > :26:54.want to insure that we set that economic framework in which business

:26:55. > :26:59.creates jobs. Since 2010, two .9 million jobs have been created, we

:27:00. > :27:05.see employment at record levels, employment higher now than it has

:27:06. > :27:08.been since records began and unemployment lower than it has been

:27:09. > :27:16.since the mid-19 70s. That is what a strong economy can do and to build

:27:17. > :27:20.on that the future. Is the area? Prime Minister, and you trying to

:27:21. > :27:24.redefine what it means to be a conservative? And your critics on

:27:25. > :27:32.social care who say your child implementer to tax, what would be

:27:33. > :27:40.your reason? -- who say you are trying to implement a death tax.

:27:41. > :27:44.This is a real challenge to implement a proper plan on social

:27:45. > :27:48.care, it's been blocked by governments are too long, we are

:27:49. > :27:53.prepared to stand up to that challenge and put forward this plan

:27:54. > :27:58.which, as I say, will protect higher level of assets than is currently

:27:59. > :28:02.protected for individuals, it will take away the worry from people

:28:03. > :28:05.about how they will pay for the care whether the savings would be

:28:06. > :28:11.depleted to virtually nothing and I think it will lead to an improvement

:28:12. > :28:15.in social care. What we believe in is, yes, insuring we are providing a

:28:16. > :28:19.system that provides people with dignity in their old age, but doing

:28:20. > :28:28.it in a way that is the across the generations. I think the Guardian is

:28:29. > :28:36.here. There's a microphone coming to you. Hello. You are going to means

:28:37. > :28:40.test the winter fuel allowance for pensioners, replace the triple lock

:28:41. > :28:44.guarantee on the basic state pension with a less generous double lock,

:28:45. > :28:52.and wealthy pensioners will have to pay more for the clay include links

:28:53. > :28:56.the at home... -- more for the care including care at home. Are you

:28:57. > :29:00.being honest with pensioners that they have to bear more of the costs

:29:01. > :29:04.of the best society you are talking about? If you access look at the

:29:05. > :29:07.manifesto when we set out what we're doing in relation to the pensions

:29:08. > :29:12.triple lock we make the point that that was introduced at the time when

:29:13. > :29:15.there was a significant disparity in relationship to pensioner's incomes

:29:16. > :29:22.now what we see as a result of the changes that have been made, an

:29:23. > :29:26.increase of ?1250 a year and some older people worry about axe to the

:29:27. > :29:31.is now a disparaging for the younger generation and would they be better

:29:32. > :29:37.off in the future? Pensions will continue to go up, we will have a

:29:38. > :29:41.double lock, which will ensure the pensions will go up either at the

:29:42. > :29:45.rate of average earnings or inflation, which ever is housed of

:29:46. > :29:49.pensioners will continue to be protected against rising prices. But

:29:50. > :29:52.it is important that we ensure that changes that come in are changes

:29:53. > :30:04.that are fair across the generations. Tom? Prime Minister,

:30:05. > :30:09.from The Sun, you are taking money off which pensioners and giving it

:30:10. > :30:15.support young families, you delight in using the power of big government

:30:16. > :30:23.to beat up on UL issuing traditional right wing Tory dogma like

:30:24. > :30:27.libertarianism, do you accept you are moving to the political centre

:30:28. > :30:35.ground and are you proud of your new monkey, a red Tory? -- your new

:30:36. > :30:40.moniker and red Tory? The Conservative Party has always been

:30:41. > :30:46.on the central ground, we believe in managing the economy, spending tax

:30:47. > :30:49.payers money responsibly, encouraging business to create

:30:50. > :30:53.high-paid jobs, we went to see a good school place for every child so

:30:54. > :30:57.that young people get the best possible start in life, we want to

:30:58. > :31:01.ensure we get the economy to bond the support in public services do

:31:02. > :31:07.the NHS and other services, these are all good principles underpinning

:31:08. > :31:13.conservativism and continued to. Crucially, we want to give people

:31:14. > :31:17.opportunity and inchoate aspiration, we want people to know that in

:31:18. > :31:23.Britain on debt a Conservative government how far you go in life

:31:24. > :31:25.depends on you, your talents and your hard work, not where you came

:31:26. > :31:39.from. APPLAUSE

:31:40. > :31:59.I think, did ICJ should? From the mail -- did ICJ said?

:32:00. > :32:10.Would you expect those in your party and the House of Lords, and can I

:32:11. > :32:16.ask, the theme of the day, do you consider yourself a Thatcherite? On

:32:17. > :32:19.the question of the single market, what we want is a comprehensive free

:32:20. > :32:27.trade agreement with the European Union which is about having good, as

:32:28. > :32:30.tariff free and frictionless access to the single market but you can't

:32:31. > :32:34.be a member of the single market without effectively still being a

:32:35. > :32:38.member of the European Union. The British people have been clear that

:32:39. > :32:47.we should leave the European Union. We will be leaving the EU and

:32:48. > :32:51.negotiating the best deal we can. We will still cooperate with the

:32:52. > :32:56.European Union on many issues and on trade, we want that competence of

:32:57. > :33:00.free trade agreement that will be good for businesses here in the

:33:01. > :33:04.United Kingdom and good for jobs and ordinary working families here in

:33:05. > :33:07.the United Kingdom. Margaret Thatcher was a conservative, I'm a

:33:08. > :33:33.conservative, this is a Conservative manifesto. I think I saw Ben. You

:33:34. > :33:38.are elected in 2010 and 2015 on reducing immigration by the

:33:39. > :33:43.thousands, you are Home Secretary between 2010 and 2016 and you didn't

:33:44. > :33:47.meet that pledge, why should you believe it today? I was working on

:33:48. > :33:50.this for six years as Home Secretary. The figures are starting

:33:51. > :33:54.to come down again. There is no single thing you can do in relation

:33:55. > :33:58.to the net migration figures that will make all the difference. You

:33:59. > :34:14.need to work at this issue constantly. We need rules where we

:34:15. > :34:18.have not had the opportunity to use them before. I have explained why I

:34:19. > :34:21.think it is important that migration should be at sustainable levels

:34:22. > :34:25.because uncontrolled immigration has an impact on people and public

:34:26. > :34:30.services and also on people, particularly at the lower end of the

:34:31. > :34:34.income scale. Suppressing wages and sometimes displacing jobs. That is

:34:35. > :34:39.why it is important we maintain that commitment and continue to work on

:34:40. > :34:50.it. I handed just went up at the back. Louise Adamson. I wanted to

:34:51. > :34:58.ask what this manifesto says about you personally and you'll political

:34:59. > :35:01.philosophy? I think it tells me that I'm a good conservative. And it

:35:02. > :35:07.tells you that I believe in ensuring we have a strong economy and we have

:35:08. > :35:12.good public services and opportunities for all. That is

:35:13. > :35:16.crucial, I want to see Britain as a global Britain standing tall in the

:35:17. > :35:20.world, trading around the world and taking our place in the world but

:35:21. > :35:24.also a Britain where people in this country know how far they go depends

:35:25. > :35:27.on them and their hard work and talents. Was that Paul I saw

:35:28. > :35:44.somewhere? Prime Minister, Halifax voted 55%

:35:45. > :35:48.leave and like many seats, Labour seats you are targeting in this

:35:49. > :35:54.election, if you win the seats, those new MPs and voters will want

:35:55. > :35:58.to hold your feet to the fire to get a firm Brexit? If that is the case,

:35:59. > :36:04.isn't David Cameron deluded to think that the greater the majority, the

:36:05. > :36:09.greater the chance of a soft exit? Iden took about soft or hard Brexit,

:36:10. > :36:19.I want the right deal for Britain. That is what we are going to do. I

:36:20. > :36:30.don't know if we can get a microphone upfront here. You have

:36:31. > :36:35.been asked repeatedly in the campaign about taxes on higher

:36:36. > :36:38.earners and you have always answered wait for the manifesto, the

:36:39. > :36:44.manifesto doesn't really have any detail about what taxes they might

:36:45. > :36:47.face or if they will face increases in national insurance. You are

:36:48. > :36:51.asking higher earners to vote for you without knowing what kind of

:36:52. > :37:00.attack rates -- tax rates they might be paying, what do you say to them

:37:01. > :37:04.now the manifesto is out? To earners across the board, when they vote at

:37:05. > :37:10.the election, they have a clear choice. The clear choice is between

:37:11. > :37:17.a Conservative Party that has always been and always will be a low tax

:37:18. > :37:20.party and in government is to reduce taxes on businesses and working

:37:21. > :37:25.families and a Labour Party whose national instinct is to increase

:37:26. > :37:29.taxes. What we saw from the Labour manifesto this week, with costing

:37:30. > :37:32.that didn't seem to be worth the paper it was written on, is that

:37:33. > :37:40.ordinary working families will pay the price of labour. They will get

:37:41. > :37:44.lower wages and higher taxes and fewer jobs. Ordinary working people

:37:45. > :37:52.will pay the price of labour. My last question here. Picking up on

:37:53. > :37:57.Jason Groves's questions, it is occasionally said it is difficult to

:37:58. > :38:05.define what is meant by May is. But it says you reject the cold of self

:38:06. > :38:10.individualism and regard rigid dogma and ideology dangerous, that's as

:38:11. > :38:17.like a rejection of Thatcherism, is it rejection and are you personally

:38:18. > :38:24.rejecting the comparisons between you and Margaret Thatcher? There is

:38:25. > :38:35.no May is. I know you like to write about it. There is good solid

:38:36. > :38:38.conservatism. Which puts the interests of the country and

:38:39. > :38:40.ordinary working people at the heart of everything we do in government.

:38:41. > :39:26.Thank you. This is a constituency of enormous

:39:27. > :39:30.importance to the future of the United Kingdom. The election on the

:39:31. > :39:34.8th of June is going to be about what kind of country we are. Are we

:39:35. > :39:40.to imagine on the 9th of June how things might be for places like

:39:41. > :39:44.this? If Therese of May records the kind of landslide victory that

:39:45. > :39:48.Margaret Thatcher recorded in the 1980s. Imagine what that might mean

:39:49. > :39:53.for our hospitals and schools and imagine especially what it might

:39:54. > :39:58.mean for our older people. On this day of all days, we will discover if

:39:59. > :40:02.you or your loved one has dementia, Theresa May is coming for you. A

:40:03. > :40:06.dementia tax on people around this country is utterly heartless and

:40:07. > :40:12.born out of the fact that Theresa May assumes that the election is

:40:13. > :40:15.already won. We look at what happens to health and social care in this

:40:16. > :40:19.country and the Liberal Democrats are being honest with you, will if

:40:20. > :40:23.we want the best health and social care in the world, we will have to

:40:24. > :40:29.pay for it. We will ask each of you to put a penny on income tax to pay

:40:30. > :40:35.for the best health and social care anywhere. Something you can rely on

:40:36. > :40:40.for your future. On the 9th of June, there will still be plans by the end

:40:41. > :40:45.of this academic year for two out of three headteachers in this country

:40:46. > :40:50.to sack at least one teacher by the beginning of the new term. Theresa

:40:51. > :40:54.May has no doubt, she is planning to do with schools as she is already

:40:55. > :40:58.doing with hospitals. That is why winning here is so important. If

:40:59. > :41:03.Theresa May wins with a land slide, she will assume she has a mandate

:41:04. > :41:06.for the dementia tax and the hospital cuts and to take out

:41:07. > :41:12.teachers from our schools. If you want to make sure you are not taken

:41:13. > :41:16.for granted, you must vote for the Liberal Democrats. It went very

:41:17. > :41:20.well. The opportunity to set out to the country that we don't need to

:41:21. > :41:27.accept the bleak direction that the extreme version of Brexit will lead

:41:28. > :41:30.towards for our children. It is an opportunity to challenge the Prime

:41:31. > :41:35.Minister, she called this election and then chose not to turn up, that

:41:36. > :41:39.shows a complete lack of respect for the people she is expecting to put

:41:40. > :41:43.her back in number ten. I was pleased to set out my case that the

:41:44. > :41:48.Britain I love is not lost yet. If you believe the people should have

:41:49. > :41:53.the final say on the Brexit deal, the Liberal Democrats are for you.

:41:54. > :41:59.Your message has been about the dangers of a hard Brexit, you

:42:00. > :42:05.haven't had the Lib Dem fightback you promise, will that change? We

:42:06. > :42:09.have three weeks where many people have felt that given that Jeremy

:42:10. > :42:13.Corbyn and Labour have just gone on with Theresa May's plan for an

:42:14. > :42:19.extreme version of Brexit, the UK provision, that all is lost. The

:42:20. > :42:22.Liberal Democrats are giving fresh hope that things can end differently

:42:23. > :42:27.and that if you believe you should have the final say on the referendum

:42:28. > :42:37.and the Brexit deal and not the politicians, the Liberal Democrats

:42:38. > :42:43.are your only hope. How do you defend it to people to say they are

:42:44. > :42:47.being penalised? People on higher tax rates and receiving benefits, it

:42:48. > :42:51.is right when you are trying to balance the books that you look at

:42:52. > :42:54.those payments and see if you can spend them differently. The

:42:55. > :42:58.Conservative plans elsewhere are utterly heartless. The ending of the

:42:59. > :43:02.triple lock and the pension guarantee, the Liberal Democrats

:43:03. > :43:07.brought that to government, it means the poorest paid pensioners will end

:43:08. > :43:12.up back in poverty thanks to Theresa May. Even worse than that, is the

:43:13. > :43:16.dementia tax that Theresa May is introducing. What she is now

:43:17. > :43:20.proposing is that if your husband has dementia and has to go into a

:43:21. > :43:24.nursing home, your family home will have to be cashed in to pay for it.

:43:25. > :43:28.If you have dementia or one of your loved ones does, trees make this

:43:29. > :43:32.coming for you. We must fight against it, the Liberal Democrats

:43:33. > :43:47.are absolutely to term and to keep a cap what it costs. The 2017 general

:43:48. > :43:51.election is in front of us. We have the key speeches from the main

:43:52. > :43:58.players in full and uncut. As well as the big campaign events. Don't

:43:59. > :44:01.miss the big moments. Pure politics from the UK's only dedicated

:44:02. > :45:20.politics channel. A couple of weeks ago in Kidlington

:45:21. > :45:32.near Oxford, I met a bloke called Malcolm. He started shouting at me

:45:33. > :45:36.in that it. You might have seen it on the news or the Internet. In the

:45:37. > :45:40.end, we actually got a long but he was angry with me for not getting

:45:41. > :45:45.behind Theresa May and backing Brexit. I think I calmed him down a

:45:46. > :45:52.bit when we spoke. But I'm fairly sure I didn't change his mind. And

:45:53. > :45:58.that is fine. When the referendum took place last year, I campaigned

:45:59. > :46:04.harder than anyone else to remain. I believe passionately that our

:46:05. > :46:13.children would have a brighter future in Britain if Britain

:46:14. > :46:20.remained in the European Union. But we lost and I accept that. But that

:46:21. > :46:25.does not mean that I have changed what I believe. I believe that our

:46:26. > :46:28.children will have a brighter picture if we are inside the

:46:29. > :46:32.European Union. That they will be safer and better off. Our economy

:46:33. > :46:36.will be stronger and our country will have more influence in the

:46:37. > :46:41.world. At just because I believe that doesn't mean I think that

:46:42. > :46:47.people who voted to leave are bad people. Of course they are not. We

:46:48. > :46:52.just disagree. I grew up in Preston, Lancashire. Most folks impressed and

:46:53. > :46:56.voted to leave. There are parts of Lancashire where two thirds of the

:46:57. > :47:02.people voted to leave. Friends of mine did. Members of my family did.

:47:03. > :47:12.They won't admit it to me. But I know that they did because you told

:47:13. > :47:19.my sister, didn't you? These feeble, they are my people. I love those

:47:20. > :47:23.people. They are good people. They are decent people. And as it

:47:24. > :47:27.happens, I liked Malcolm as well, once he stopped shouting at me. But

:47:28. > :47:34.here is the difference between me and Theresa May. I want Malcolm, and

:47:35. > :47:40.everyone here in Preston, every single one of you, to have your say

:47:41. > :47:47.over what comes next. Nobody knows what exit will look like. The choice

:47:48. > :47:51.Theresa May will make will affect your life and the country for

:47:52. > :47:55.decades. Your shop, your weekly shopping, your job, your

:47:56. > :47:59.environment, your safety, where you can travel and where you can live

:48:00. > :48:03.and she is already making choices that will affect those things.

:48:04. > :48:05.Including the most profound choice she could make, taking Britain out

:48:06. > :48:18.of the single market. That decision alone is a time bomb

:48:19. > :48:24.under our economy and it will low up taking art schools with it. It will

:48:25. > :48:29.wreck of Huh is a choice, hedgerows, plain and simple. It was not

:48:30. > :48:33.inevitable there was nothing on the ballot paper last year that said we

:48:34. > :48:37.were choosing to pull out of the single market. There were other

:48:38. > :48:42.people that our outside of the EU and in the single market. Norway and

:48:43. > :48:45.Switzerland. There was nothing on that ballot paper that said that

:48:46. > :48:49.people from Europe to have made this country the home will be left in

:48:50. > :48:53.limbo not knowing if they can stay in the country they respect kitchen.

:48:54. > :48:58.There was nothing on the ballot paper that said we were ten friends,

:48:59. > :49:02.art neighbours, our allies into enemies and yet here we are with our

:49:03. > :49:06.government making accusations with our neighbours and even threatening

:49:07. > :49:09.wall of Spain. The choices Theresa May makes and the compromises she

:49:10. > :49:16.negotiate with the bureaucrats in Brussels will affect our children's

:49:17. > :49:20.future the decades to come. My children, your children, Malcolm's

:49:21. > :49:26.grandchildren, in June that year we voted for a departure but we did not

:49:27. > :49:27.vote for a destination. I want you to have your choice over your

:49:28. > :49:41.future. APPLAUSE

:49:42. > :49:51.Someone, someone, it is really obvious when you think about it,

:49:52. > :49:57.someone is going to have the final say over the final Brexit deal. It

:49:58. > :50:00.could be the politicians all it could be the people, I believe it

:50:01. > :50:10.must be the people. CHEERING

:50:11. > :50:14.You, you, should have the say over whether Theresa May's Brexit deal is

:50:15. > :50:19.right for you, right for your family in a referendum, and if you do not

:50:20. > :50:21.like that feel you should have a choice to remain in the European

:50:22. > :50:34.Union. CHEERING

:50:35. > :50:40.Giving you the choice over your future is exactly what our manifesto

:50:41. > :50:44.is all about, I'd want you to change Britain's future, I want you to

:50:45. > :50:48.imagine a brighter's future, imagine a future where our children can grow

:50:49. > :50:52.up in a country where people are decent to each other, well we have

:50:53. > :50:57.good schools and hospitals where we take the challenge of climate change

:50:58. > :51:01.seriously, where we give our teachers and nurses and soldiers,

:51:02. > :51:06.the pay rise they deserve for the service they give for our country

:51:07. > :51:11.where they have an open, innovative economy where we treat the poorest

:51:12. > :51:14.and most honourable with compassion. Where we do not turn our back on

:51:15. > :51:16.desperate refugees, that is the Britain I love...

:51:17. > :51:32.CHEERING The Britain I want to lead.

:51:33. > :51:39.But, that is not the Britain, that is not the future that Theresa May

:51:40. > :51:42.is offering due. If you want to know the most revealing thing that has

:51:43. > :51:48.been set to join the selection, just look at Nigel Farage's twitter, not

:51:49. > :51:55.too often but look at it just this once. To Theresa May, in his very

:51:56. > :52:01.words, Theresa May is using the exact words and phrases I've been

:52:02. > :52:07.using for 20 years. Now, think of outback for a minute. Nature branch

:52:08. > :52:11.says the exact words and phrases the Prime Minister of our country saying

:52:12. > :52:18.the same things that Nigel Farage has been saying for 20 years. --

:52:19. > :52:24.Nigel Farage says the exact words and phrases. Not just words but

:52:25. > :52:28.policies, as well. That is what Ukip MEP said this week. Brexit never did

:52:29. > :52:35.just mean Brexit, the Nigel Farage it was always part of the package, a

:52:36. > :52:39.worldview. It is a worldview that include shunning climate change,

:52:40. > :52:45.shrinking the state-by-state being our schools and our NHS underfunding

:52:46. > :52:49.that they need, it includes turning up accidents are the poorest and

:52:50. > :52:54.Theresa May did when she shamefully Theresa May did when she shamefully

:52:55. > :53:01.closed the door and desperate child refugees. That is Nigel Farage's

:53:02. > :53:06.worldview, the same one that leads to Donald Trump banning Muslims and

:53:07. > :53:10.building a wall, the same one that Marine Le Pen tried to impose on the

:53:11. > :53:18.decent people of France, Nigel Farage's vision for Britain is now

:53:19. > :53:22.Theresa May's. He has taken over the Conservative Party, and Europe, anti

:53:23. > :53:29.the Bee Gees, slashing funding to schools and hospitals, no wonder

:53:30. > :53:33.Ukip. -- anti-refugees. Who needs Ukip if the Tory government is doing

:53:34. > :53:39.what they want anyway. Somebody has to stand up to them, somebody has to

:53:40. > :53:44.fight for the decent compassionate Britain that we love, but it will

:53:45. > :53:48.not be Jeremy Corbyn, on the biggest issue, facing us all, for a

:53:49. > :53:54.generation when all of this is that staked Jeremy Corbyn's Labour hasn't

:53:55. > :53:59.even shown up. Jeremy Corbyn ordered his MPs and his Lords to go into the

:54:00. > :54:03.lobbies and vote with the Tories and Ukip, not against them, with them,

:54:04. > :54:08.before the vote and Article 50. He said he would order his party to

:54:09. > :54:13.vote in favour of, even if the government made no concessions to

:54:14. > :54:19.them whatsoever. So, surprise surprise, they made no concessions,

:54:20. > :54:24.whatsoever, Jeremy Corbyn did not need to do that he could have voted

:54:25. > :54:28.with us to stay in the single market or to give European citizens living

:54:29. > :54:34.here the right to stay, he chose not to Jeremy Corbyn and labour chose

:54:35. > :54:37.not to. Now, Jeremy Corbyn has always been pro-Brexit, he

:54:38. > :54:42.campaigned against Europe for years so we should not be surprise, but we

:54:43. > :54:45.should be bitterly disappointed. APPLAUSE

:54:46. > :54:56.Labour are supposed to be... APPLAUSE

:54:57. > :55:01.Labour are supposed to be the opposition but they have not posed

:55:02. > :55:04.anything, they are supposed to stand up working people but they have not

:55:05. > :55:09.stood up anyone. They are supposed to care our children's future but

:55:10. > :55:11.they are letting the Conservatives wreck it. They have lost the right

:55:12. > :55:29.to call themselves the opposition. APPLAUSE

:55:30. > :55:36.Labour has lost its purpose, but we have found ours. The brighter future

:55:37. > :55:41.we want for all our children is at stake, our economy is at stake, our

:55:42. > :55:45.schools and our hospitals are at stake. This is about the future of

:55:46. > :55:50.the open, tolerant, united front with that we love. I am here tonight

:55:51. > :55:54.to tell you that we will not roll over, a few weeks ago in France the

:55:55. > :56:02.two parties that had run the country together for decades came third and

:56:03. > :56:08.fifth, third and fifth! The decent people of France decided they did

:56:09. > :56:12.not want to simply accept one of the two tired old parties so they

:56:13. > :56:15.rejected them and when the two old establishment parties had been

:56:16. > :56:22.eliminated the decent people of France faced a stark choice, a

:56:23. > :56:27.liberal, pro-European candidate who believes in open, tolerant and

:56:28. > :56:32.united France versus the leader of the National front. Hope versus

:56:33. > :56:41.fear, a brighter future versus a cold, mean-spirited one, Nigel

:56:42. > :56:51.Farage hint his colours to the mast. When he backs Trump he backed

:56:52. > :56:55.anti-Europe, anti-refugee, he backed the National front, when the

:56:56. > :56:58.National Front lost. Do not let anybody tell you that the only

:56:59. > :57:03.choice you have in this election is between Jeremy Corbyn and Theresa

:57:04. > :57:08.May. This election is your choice about your future, it is about your

:57:09. > :57:12.future and you can choose a brighter future where our children grow up in

:57:13. > :57:16.a country where people are decent to each other, where the we have good

:57:17. > :57:21.schools and hospitals so that our children have a fair chance in life

:57:22. > :57:26.and our elderly are treated with dignity. Where we have a clean

:57:27. > :57:30.environment and innovative economy, the more liberal Democrat MPs you

:57:31. > :57:33.will act, the better deal will get on your work, the more Liberal

:57:34. > :57:38.Democrat MPs you get the more jobs, the more money for our NHS and for

:57:39. > :57:44.schools, the more Liberal Democrat MPs you get the brighter the future

:57:45. > :57:50.for our children, Theresa May and Nigel Farage's cold, mean-spirited

:57:51. > :57:55.Britain is not the written I love. Britain I love is generous, and it

:57:56. > :58:00.is compassionate, the Britain I love is one where we are decent to each

:58:01. > :58:05.other, the Britain I loved is open, tolerant and united. If that is the

:58:06. > :58:12.pretty new look to then this is the moment to stand up. -- if that is

:58:13. > :58:16.the Britain you love as well. I am here tonight because when my

:58:17. > :58:21.children are my age I want to look them in the eye and tell them

:58:22. > :58:25.honestly when the moment came to stand up for the future I stood up.

:58:26. > :58:30.I am determined that our children will grow up in a country where

:58:31. > :58:36.people are decent to each other, I'm here tonight because the Britain I

:58:37. > :58:37.love is not lost yet. That is the country I want to lead. Thank you

:58:38. > :59:07.APPLAUSE When in London there are the few

:59:08. > :59:09.landmarks that every tourist must see.

:59:10. > :59:15.Westminster Abbey, Nelson's column, Buckingham Palace, and of course the

:59:16. > :59:19.houses of Parliament including Big Ben. But as all purists will power

:59:20. > :59:22.you the bed is not the name of the clock or the tower but just the name

:59:23. > :59:27.of the bell. -- but as all purists of the bell. -- but as all purists

:59:28. > :59:31.will tell you. Intel recently the power was known as the clock tower

:59:32. > :59:35.but now it is called the Elizabeth power. It is that the clock tower to

:59:36. > :59:43.be built in Parliament's grounds, the best was demolished when it

:59:44. > :59:48.became dilapidated. A massive fire almost destroyed all the buildings,

:59:49. > :59:53.here. Said Charles Barry won the contest to design a new Houses of

:59:54. > :00:00.Parliament. His assistant work on the final design for the Gothic

:00:01. > :00:06.tower. Work on the 315 structure took 13 years, it was completed in

:00:07. > :00:11.1859. But, in recent years the power's teachers come into question

:00:12. > :00:16.because it is leaning. In fact, it is almost half a metre out of the

:00:17. > :00:22.top, leaning north-west. Experts say could topple over in around 10,000

:00:23. > :00:26.years. Campaigning has started for the general election which will be

:00:27. > :00:31.held on May the 6th, Gordon Brown said he wanted a clear and

:00:32. > :00:36.straightforward mandate... Author than telling the time and housing

:00:37. > :00:42.the famous bell it has had other uses. -- other then. There used to

:00:43. > :00:48.be a prison cell for badly behaved members of parliament, the last one

:00:49. > :00:52.was locked up in 1887 members of Parliament needn't worry. There were

:00:53. > :00:58.334 steps from the base to the Belfry and 759 to the very top. The

:00:59. > :01:03.eight shields between the Belfry in the cast iron roof to pick the three

:01:04. > :01:07.kingdoms and the various members of the House of Judah. At one time it

:01:08. > :01:14.was common to see wisps of smoke coming out of the top of the power.

:01:15. > :01:18.-- the House of Tudor. A furnace was kept burning at the base, used

:01:19. > :01:30.when... In 2012, in honour of the Queen's

:01:31. > :01:33.Diamond jubilee the tower was renamed the Elizabeth power by the

:01:34. > :01:42.Speaker of the House of commons. I hereby declare that the below that

:01:43. > :01:47.clock tower, one of the best known site is, not only in this country

:01:48. > :01:58.but around the world is now officially renamed, The Elizabeth

:01:59. > :02:05.Tower. Thank you. So the Elizabeth Power it is. And with love and

:02:06. > :02:08.attention it will continue to be the backdrop for thousands of tourist

:02:09. > :03:03.snaps all over the world. And if you can't beat them, join them.

:03:04. > :03:13.This is where power resides. It is intoxicating, magical. The interior

:03:14. > :03:20.was designed by a psychotic named Pugin. People build is getting older

:03:21. > :03:27.than we are able to deal with it. The stonework is crumbling beyond

:03:28. > :03:31.recognition. It's so rare to see it from up here and yet it is so

:03:32. > :03:36.familiar. The outlines of this building, the colour of the stone,

:03:37. > :03:45.the towers and the turrets and the gargoyles. Yet this building has

:03:46. > :03:49.hidden Demons two, expensive ones. Look behind the grandeur, look

:03:50. > :03:58.behind the guilt. There is decay, some of it dangerous. Fires and

:03:59. > :04:05.floods are not uncommon in this architectural masterpiece of our

:04:06. > :04:07.democracy. But it is the grandest of grand designs. Now, even the

:04:08. > :04:14.position of the books on the shelves position of the books on the shelves

:04:15. > :04:20.in the Lords library is listed. Touching anything, let alone keeping

:04:21. > :04:23.the building standing is more complicated than the Lou Reed

:04:24. > :04:28.patterns on the carpets. You'll agree the building is getting older

:04:29. > :04:31.faster than we can deal with it. The end point of that is you wouldn't be

:04:32. > :04:35.able to use the building, it would literally begin to crumble. We are

:04:36. > :04:40.talking about the intricate, priceless Victorian artwork and

:04:41. > :04:45.books in this case. And they could be lost forever. There comes a point

:04:46. > :04:50.beyond which you don't want to go there to get to that state where

:04:51. > :05:00.effectively you are working in a ruin. To fix it, the cost will be

:05:01. > :05:04.phenomenal. The annual DIY bill is already around ?30 million. Some of

:05:05. > :05:12.the worst damage is on the famous skyline. It hardly even feels as if

:05:13. > :05:21.anyone has been up here for 150 years. Let alone looked after it

:05:22. > :05:25.properly. But to restore it and make it safe will cost taxpayers dear.

:05:26. > :05:32.Newsnight has been told to working assumption for the cost of restoring

:05:33. > :05:33.the Palace is ?3 billion. One senior insider said I would be surprised if

:05:34. > :05:47.it stayed at that. Alternatives are everyday, and that a decision is

:05:48. > :05:55.delayed, the fabric of the building gets worse. This is Cloister Court.

:05:56. > :05:58.It dates back to the 14th century. Historians here tell us that no

:05:59. > :06:04.member of the public has ever been in here. Until the end of the Second

:06:05. > :06:09.World War, it was where MPs would come to go, Churchill, Gladstone,

:06:10. > :06:16.Disraeli, have hung there had to. It is a beautiful and secret space but

:06:17. > :06:21.it is falling down. The main problem as you can see, stone decay. You can

:06:22. > :06:25.see the stone is crumbling where it is weathered badly. It's of the

:06:26. > :06:34.facade are missing. But also there is a problem, some of the facades in

:06:35. > :06:39.the courtyard are actually sinking. We're going to have do investigate

:06:40. > :06:45.that very soon. It is crumbling and sinking. It is not sinking very fast

:06:46. > :06:50.but it warrants investigation. These buildings are treasures, hundreds of

:06:51. > :06:54.years old but they won't last another hundred like this. This is

:06:55. > :06:57.the wall of Westminster Hall, one of the most important parts of

:06:58. > :07:05.Parliament and the stone facade here is so weak that you can crumble it

:07:06. > :07:11.off in your hand. The real mess is below ground. Asbestos, leeks and

:07:12. > :07:18.pipes and wiring that is decades old. It says welcome to hell on the

:07:19. > :07:22.door. It was fully congested with pipes and cables. This is the most

:07:23. > :07:28.significant because it runs from the basement up to the roof. They would

:07:29. > :07:33.need 2000 of these cables and it took 18 months to identify where

:07:34. > :07:38.they go to. 18 months just to sort out this one part of the building.

:07:39. > :07:43.Untagged in all of this will not just be expensive, it will be one of

:07:44. > :07:47.the most, located restoration projects ever attempted. Until now,

:07:48. > :07:54.it has just been patched up and fixed up with real ingenuity. But it

:07:55. > :07:59.can't last. The relatively small round of maintenance already costs a

:08:00. > :08:15.fortune. Someone told me there is ?75 for every single tile.

:08:16. > :08:24.Is the crisis in living standards. Yesterday, the Conservative Party

:08:25. > :08:27.published their manifesto. Far from addressing that crisis, their

:08:28. > :08:34.proposals present a clear threat to living standards. Today, we will be

:08:35. > :08:38.hearing from John McDonnell, Labour's Shadow Chancellor and

:08:39. > :08:42.Rebecca Long Bailey, Labour's Shadow Business Secretary, about this

:08:43. > :08:49.threat. And the choice facing the British people on the 8th of June.

:08:50. > :08:54.We are also launching today our punchy and hard-hitting poster.

:08:55. > :08:58.Which demonstrates the risk of the Tories to pensioners living

:08:59. > :09:08.standards and security. John, over to you. As Andrew said, this week,

:09:09. > :09:13.Labour published its manifesto for the general election. It was a bold

:09:14. > :09:19.and transformational programme for government. Designed to rebuild our

:09:20. > :09:24.economy and deliver for working people. Yesterday we saw the Tory

:09:25. > :09:29.manifesto. This was a manifesto that promised more of the same. More Tory

:09:30. > :09:35.failure on living standards and a manifesto that fails working people

:09:36. > :09:44.and especially pensioners. Is a's manifesto dropped the triple lock.

:09:45. > :09:48.Dropped the tax and dropped their commitment to raising living

:09:49. > :09:55.standards. There is not a single reference to living standards in the

:09:56. > :09:59.entire manifesto. This is extraordinary. Living standards are

:10:00. > :10:04.falling under the Tories, a situation described by experts as

:10:05. > :10:12.dreadful. And severe. Theresa May couldn't promise that she would seek

:10:13. > :10:17.to address this. There is a clear and unambiguous threat to living

:10:18. > :10:23.standards. An attack on pensioners and on working people. Today,

:10:24. > :10:25.Rebecca and I will set out what this threat means for working people and

:10:26. > :10:40.for pensioners. The Tories have launched an all-out

:10:41. > :10:47.attack on pensioner incomes by abandoning the triple lock, cutting

:10:48. > :10:50.winter fuel payments, raising the state pension age and breaking

:10:51. > :10:56.promises on social care and GP access. They have laid bare the

:10:57. > :11:00.threat they pose to pensioners security and living standards. And

:11:01. > :11:04.have shown beyond a doubt that they are turning their back on older

:11:05. > :11:10.people. And future generations pensioners. Those people who worked

:11:11. > :11:15.hard, they did everything asked of them. They put their blood, sweat

:11:16. > :11:19.and tears into making Britain great. And today they must feel they have

:11:20. > :11:24.been kicked in the teeth quite frankly. Theresa May's message to

:11:25. > :11:30.them and millions of workers is now this, work for years longer only to

:11:31. > :11:36.receive far less generous support in old age. Not even a carriage clock

:11:37. > :11:40.for your years of service, just sort yourselves out now. And Theresa May

:11:41. > :11:46.had the cheek to say she would end her party's pursuit of selfish

:11:47. > :11:51.individualism. Let's look at the evidence. On the triple lock,

:11:52. > :11:57.Theresa May used to support the triple lock. In a debate in the

:11:58. > :12:00.House of Commons in 2011, she acknowledged how crucial it is for

:12:01. > :12:05.pensioners when she said it gives real security and a decent income.

:12:06. > :12:12.It was a firm commitment in the last Tory manifesto. Now only two years

:12:13. > :12:17.later, she is refusing to commit to the triple lock for the lifetime of

:12:18. > :12:22.the next Parliament. Under the Tories, after 2020, the state

:12:23. > :12:29.pension would be upgraded by average earnings, growth rate or inflation,

:12:30. > :12:34.not be guaranteed 2.5%. There is one very big problem with that. The

:12:35. > :12:40.Tories record on pay is absolutely atrocious. Real wages are lower than

:12:41. > :12:47.they were in 2010 and they are now falling again. If the Tories's

:12:48. > :12:51.abysmal record is anything to go by, pensioners are set to be hundreds of

:12:52. > :12:58.pounds worse off if the Tories get back into power. Analysis we are

:12:59. > :13:02.publishing today shows just how weak Theresa May's new double lock would

:13:03. > :13:07.have been over the last seven years compared to the triple lock. Older

:13:08. > :13:11.people receiving the basic state pension would have been ?330 worse

:13:12. > :13:20.off since 2010 under the double lock. The Tory record on wage growth

:13:21. > :13:25.is so weak that in 2015, under the double lock, the basic state pension

:13:26. > :13:35.would have been operated by a measly ?1 36 a week. That's not good enough

:13:36. > :13:40.to guarantee the real value of older People's pensions. They deserve a

:13:41. > :13:46.lot better than this. They deserve respect. That is why I repeat today

:13:47. > :13:50.the firm commitment that Labour has made to pensioners. Unlike the

:13:51. > :13:55.Tories, we won't cut your pension. We will protect your income by

:13:56. > :13:59.keeping the triple lock over the lifetime of the next Parliament. And

:14:00. > :14:04.the next Labour government will keep winter fuel payments as well. The

:14:05. > :14:12.last Labour government introduce them in 1997. Between then and 2010,

:14:13. > :14:16.they helped lift over 900,000 pensioners out of poverty. The

:14:17. > :14:20.Tories have tried to suggest that they are cutting winter fuel

:14:21. > :14:26.payments only from the richest in society. What we have got in the

:14:27. > :14:31.Tory manifesto yesterday was a substantial cut in support for

:14:32. > :14:35.millions of pensioners. According to the resolution foundation, 10

:14:36. > :14:42.million pensioners could be at risk of losing their winter fuel payments

:14:43. > :14:47.worth up to ?300. That is 10 million pensioners. That would not just be a

:14:48. > :14:52.cut for the very rich, that is a cut for five out of every six pensioners

:14:53. > :14:58.in Great Britain. When the averaging, for retired households is

:14:59. > :15:02.just under ?20,000 a year and pensioner poverty has risen by

:15:03. > :15:08.300,000 under the Tories, this cut is nothing more than an attack on

:15:09. > :15:13.pensioners. It's morally wrong. The Tories should come clean about what

:15:14. > :15:18.their plans would mean. How many pensioners would lose out and by how

:15:19. > :15:22.much? But we are quite clear on this. We introduced winter fuel

:15:23. > :15:28.payments, they worked. We will keep them to protect pension's living

:15:29. > :15:34.standards. Let us move on to the state pension age. The Tories wrote

:15:35. > :15:41.their own review in the pension age. We got a clue as to why that might

:15:42. > :15:44.be. Instead of setting out their plans, they said they would only

:15:45. > :15:50.ensure the state pension age reflects increases in life

:15:51. > :15:55.expectancy. Worryingly, this suggests to many that the Tories

:15:56. > :15:58.could adopt the recommendations of a review bringing forward increases to

:15:59. > :16:05.the state pension age for millions of workers. Figures provided by the

:16:06. > :16:10.House of Commons library shows that plans to increase the state pension

:16:11. > :16:13.age would mean that 34 million people will work longer if the

:16:14. > :16:19.Conservatives win this general election. In contrast, Labour's

:16:20. > :16:25.manifesto, sues to leave the state pension age at 66. We have

:16:26. > :16:33.commissioned a new review of the state pension system tasks with a

:16:34. > :16:40.flexible retirement policy to reflect the wide variations in the

:16:41. > :16:44.British workforce. This is a threat facing pensioners. Lower incomes,

:16:45. > :16:49.less support and a shorter retirement. That is what the Tories

:16:50. > :16:57.are offering pensioners. And that is the thanks they are giving them for

:16:58. > :17:02.a lifetime of dedication to Britain. And their attacks don't stop there.

:17:03. > :17:05.The Tory squeeze on working families is just as severe. John, it is over

:17:06. > :17:19.to you. As Becky says, the threat to working

:17:20. > :17:20.families is real and severe. We are currently witnessing the worst

:17:21. > :17:32.decade for pay in 200 years. Real wages are still lower today

:17:33. > :17:37.than aware when the Tories came to power in 2010. This week got news

:17:38. > :17:41.that the situation is deteriorating further. Real wages ten negative in

:17:42. > :17:46.the last few months which means that prices outstrip pay packets leaving

:17:47. > :17:52.working people worse off, it is worth pointing out how extraordinary

:17:53. > :17:58.bases, according to the OECD, the UK is the only advanced major economy

:17:59. > :18:03.where growth has returned since the crash, or wages have fallen, and it

:18:04. > :18:07.is unlikely to stop that, experts have warned that with the cost of

:18:08. > :18:12.living increasing, household incomes are set to be squeezed even further,

:18:13. > :18:18.under the Tories, working families are paying more in tax and there are

:18:19. > :18:23.further tax rises in the pipeline. Since 2010 the average household is

:18:24. > :18:30.paying more in both direct and indirect taxation, a total of nearly

:18:31. > :18:35.?2000. Under current proposals the net tax rises of 14.4 billion, or

:18:36. > :18:43.not bring 6% of national income in the pipeline between now and

:18:44. > :18:51.2021-22. This is a net figure and takes into account any tax cuts.

:18:52. > :18:55.These 14.4 billion of tax rises is equivalent to ?760 per family. That

:18:56. > :19:04.means, under the Tories, the tax burden is set to reach the highest

:19:05. > :19:09.level since 1986, 1987. And what it would get yesterday's the scrapping

:19:10. > :19:18.of the commitment to no increase in VAT. An extension possibly of VAT.

:19:19. > :19:22.This is a clear and unambiguous threat to working people. Labour is

:19:23. > :19:29.promising no increase in taxation and lower middle earners. The

:19:30. > :19:35.Tories, in contrast, have increased taxes on working people before and

:19:36. > :19:40.will do it again. Tory fell year on wages and Tory tax rises are feeding

:19:41. > :19:45.through to the worst squeeze on household since modern records

:19:46. > :19:50.began. Today, we are publishing what it means that households, under the

:19:51. > :19:56.Tories, the UK is set to experience the worst decade in real household

:19:57. > :20:01.disposable income since 1949. This has a material impact on household

:20:02. > :20:07.finances. The average household is ?1000 worse off this year alone as a

:20:08. > :20:11.result of the Tory's abysmal record on living standards relative to what

:20:12. > :20:15.households could have expected under Labour. In the 2070 manifesto, the

:20:16. > :20:20.Tories have scrapped their commitment to raise living

:20:21. > :20:25.standards, the 2050 manifesto promised to raise living standards

:20:26. > :20:30.yet living standards has been omitted from yesterday 2070

:20:31. > :20:37.manifesto, without a single reference to living standards in the

:20:38. > :20:43.entire document. -- 2070 manifesto. This manifesto offers working

:20:44. > :20:47.families and pensioners in security. Gone was the commitments to raise

:20:48. > :20:50.working people's living standards or not to raise taxes on working people

:20:51. > :20:57.and gone with the commitment to protect pensioners' incomes of the

:20:58. > :21:02.triple lock. This signals a clear threat to working people and

:21:03. > :21:06.pensioners. The choice, at this election, is clear. A threat to

:21:07. > :21:11.working people and pension's living standards of the Tories re-elected

:21:12. > :21:15.on the 8th of June or Labour pan to support working people. Labour plan

:21:16. > :21:24.that will introduced every living wage of ?10 now by 2020. A plan that

:21:25. > :21:27.will commit to no income tax rises, no increase in VAT and no increase

:21:28. > :21:31.in National Insurance contributions under Labour plan that will invest

:21:32. > :21:38.in our vital public services. That is the choice at this election. A

:21:39. > :21:41.clear threat to working people's living standards or a Labour Party

:21:42. > :21:52.that will stand up for the many, not the few. Let me just mention, the

:21:53. > :21:55.issue with regard to older people. Yesterday the Conservative Party

:21:56. > :22:03.abandoned older people, there was a triple whammy, the tearing up of the

:22:04. > :22:07.triple lock, the attack on the winter fuel allowance, and the plans

:22:08. > :22:15.on care costs where people could lose control of the homes. Just want

:22:16. > :22:20.to mention the winter fuel allowance, to be frank I am angry.

:22:21. > :22:27.I1 of those people who campaigned against fuel poverty for number of

:22:28. > :22:32.years. -- I am one of those people. There is 1 billion pensioners and

:22:33. > :22:38.more living in fuel poverty, 30,000 excess deaths a year in winter in

:22:39. > :22:43.this country. It looks as though, as the resolution foundation has said,

:22:44. > :22:49.the means test could hit all those not on pension credit, 10 million

:22:50. > :22:54.people. We also know that a third, because it is a means tested

:22:55. > :23:00.benefit, as I do not claim. This is a savage attack on vulnerable

:23:01. > :23:06.pensioners, particularly those who are just about managing. It is

:23:07. > :23:10.disgraceful and we are calling upon the Conservative Party now to

:23:11. > :23:16.withdraw it, today. To withdraw it today. We will not stand by and

:23:17. > :23:21.allow pensioners winter fuel allowance to be cut in this way and

:23:22. > :23:26.the so many of them to be back in a situation where they have to choose

:23:27. > :23:29.whether they heat or eat. This is the fifth richest country in the

:23:30. > :23:37.wealth we should be of keep our pensioners say in winter and war. --

:23:38. > :23:43.in winter and warm. Thank you John and Rebecca. We have a little time

:23:44. > :23:47.to question from the media, I will take them in groups of three said

:23:48. > :23:55.Tammy you name where you're from. Tamara Cohen, first. Thank you, I'm

:23:56. > :24:00.Tamara Cohen from Sky News, why should the likes of Mick Jagger or

:24:01. > :24:05.Alan Sugar gets ?300 year from the tax payer when it could be spent on

:24:06. > :24:09.working age people which you and Jeremy Corbyn has championed, would

:24:10. > :24:14.you lie not to see any restrictions at all on the winter fuel payment?

:24:15. > :24:17.Secondly, you have not mentioned one of the more glaring promises on

:24:18. > :24:20.immigration that the Conservatives have mentioned. Is that because you

:24:21. > :24:26.have no plans to reduce immigration if you win the election? The whole

:24:27. > :24:31.point of introducing a non-means tested benefit the winter fuel is

:24:32. > :24:36.because they do have a deterrent effect on claim. We have seen that

:24:37. > :24:43.on pension credits, a third who are entitled are not claiming. Largely

:24:44. > :24:49.because means testing is so complex, the pension credit bombers 19 pages

:24:50. > :24:52.long, so, historically it is dimension to Bob at universal

:24:53. > :24:59.benefits actually reach the people that need it. -- the pension credit

:25:00. > :25:03.form is 19 pages long. Those people who have higher incomes pay through

:25:04. > :25:07.their taxes and that is the way that you introduce the fairness into the

:25:08. > :25:13.system of overall. We are putting at risk large numbers of pensioners

:25:14. > :25:19.this winter if the Tories get re-elected. That is why we are

:25:20. > :25:24.demanding, actually, that they withdraw this proposal immediately.

:25:25. > :25:29.Because, it introduces and in security up to 10 million pensioners

:25:30. > :25:33.in this country. Most of them, the vast majority, are on lower middle

:25:34. > :25:37.endings, as Becky says they have done everything asks them in terms

:25:38. > :25:41.of working throughout the life contributing to taxes in National

:25:42. > :25:44.Insurance, and saving. With regard immigration, let's make this

:25:45. > :25:53.absolutely case, questions, we've just had a manifesto published

:25:54. > :25:59.yesterday completely un-costed, 60 pledges with no costings beside them

:26:00. > :26:03.at all. When the Labour Party manifesto we published our cost inks

:26:04. > :26:08.alongside it and we are open to discussion and debate around those

:26:09. > :26:13.costings. -- costings alongside it. Yesterday there was an un-costed

:26:14. > :26:16.manifesto 60 pledges and the immigration pledge, it has been into

:26:17. > :26:20.Conservative manifesto is that the last two elections and has not been

:26:21. > :26:24.met and now known costed commitment again. When it was put to Michael

:26:25. > :26:28.Fallon last night he sell apart unable to respond on the costs,

:26:29. > :26:36.although we know there is a range of independent assessments of anything

:26:37. > :26:39.of the cost between 4- ?6 billion a year. In terms of immigration we are

:26:40. > :26:42.saying, our immigration policy will be managed and the and based upon

:26:43. > :26:46.the needs of this country. We will not undermine our economy on the

:26:47. > :26:51.basis of setting unrealistic targets the way this Conservative Party

:26:52. > :26:54.have. Remember who was responsible the implementing in achieving these

:26:55. > :26:59.targets, Theresa May in the Home Office. So, what we want is a

:27:00. > :27:04.realistic immigration policy based upon comic yes Ben is a management,

:27:05. > :27:15.but also upon the needs of the economy. -- yes, fairness and

:27:16. > :27:20.management. Hello, I'm from ITV News, John, what you think it is

:27:21. > :27:23.about Labour's reputation that means that you have to cost everything

:27:24. > :27:28.where was the Conservatives seem to feel that they do not have to cost

:27:29. > :27:34.anything in the manifesto? Secondly, they said yesterday that they would

:27:35. > :27:37.expand Heathrow, you are against the expansion of Heathrow and Labour's

:27:38. > :27:43.manifesto is unclear on what she would do about Heathrow, what is the

:27:44. > :27:48.party position and is it finish up personal position? A good point on

:27:49. > :27:53.the issue of casting, I think it is outrageous, here we had the Labour

:27:54. > :27:55.Party coming forward with a costing programme in detail, some people

:27:56. > :27:59.might disagree on the way we are turned raise the funds but at least

:28:00. > :28:06.they know what choices are and yet there was nothing in terms of the

:28:07. > :28:10.costing... 60 promises and pledges an costed and those questions need

:28:11. > :28:13.to be asked of the Conservative Party. What we will do this

:28:14. > :28:16.afternoon is we will issue generalist with the key questions to

:28:17. > :28:21.ask the Conservatives which will improve your journalistic careers.

:28:22. > :28:26.LAUGHTER What we will try to do is measure productivity and harmony

:28:27. > :28:30.questions you actually ask. I think it is important we pin them down on

:28:31. > :28:35.this, I think Howard getting away bit? I do not think they are any

:28:36. > :28:39.more. I think you've got a job that you can help the general public,

:28:40. > :28:42.part of the Democratic debate, at some point by point what the

:28:43. > :28:48.costings are? Some of these questions are serious or stop the

:28:49. > :28:51.issue around that winter fuel is serious, is putting pensioners, many

:28:52. > :28:56.under severe threat is the result of that feeling extremely insecure this

:28:57. > :29:02.morning. I think the difference between hours is that actually, we

:29:03. > :29:06.have now broken through as a party. It is innovative of us to lay out in

:29:07. > :29:10.detail in general election exact details of funding and I think we

:29:11. > :29:15.have set a new standard for political parties to follow. Ickes

:29:16. > :29:20.backed the Conservative Party to do that, if they can. -- I expect the

:29:21. > :29:24.Conservative Party to do that. They have the advantage that they and

:29:25. > :29:31.government, they have the Treasury. We asked the Treasury models and

:29:32. > :29:37.access to help us get information, they denied is that access. What

:29:38. > :29:40.we've had to do is draw upon the Treasury information we can get an

:29:41. > :29:45.independent assessment what we're done. Yes, open to challenge but

:29:46. > :29:50.letters have that debate. Let them put the figures out that. We will

:29:51. > :29:53.issue the 30 questions this afternoon, measure your productivity

:29:54. > :29:57.and you never know they might be apprised of the most productive

:29:58. > :30:00.generalist and answering them. With regard to Heathrow, the position in

:30:01. > :30:03.the manifesto is clear that the Labour Party supports the work of

:30:04. > :30:07.the airports commission and as you know that is recommended at third

:30:08. > :30:12.runway at Heathrow but the Labour Party's position is that any

:30:13. > :30:16.development on aviation expansion in the London Southeast is subject to

:30:17. > :30:21.conditions that are about environmental protection and

:30:22. > :30:24.economic benefits to area itself. Obviously as the constituency MP I

:30:25. > :30:27.have historically campaigned against it being expanded because I do

:30:28. > :30:32.nothing it can meet those conditions, and as in all these

:30:33. > :30:36.instances there was the responsibility of an MP to represent

:30:37. > :30:42.their constituencies. Thank you, John. The lady there. Thank you,

:30:43. > :30:45.Alex Forsyth BBC News, on the winter fuel allowance you are quoting the

:30:46. > :30:49.resolution foundation figures that 10 million people could be affected,

:30:50. > :30:54.but we do not know, is the truth of it, so I knew scaremongering around

:30:55. > :30:59.the? No, no. Do you have a reaction to the fact that we're not expecting

:31:00. > :31:03.the best fit figures for NHS trusts to be published before the election?

:31:04. > :31:08.Leicester on this issue with regard to how we are trying to arrive at

:31:09. > :31:12.some understanding of what the Conservatives are 20 do run into

:31:13. > :31:20.pure land. -- let's get on to this issue. Of what the Conservatives

:31:21. > :31:24.want to do an winter fuel allowance. At the last Parliamentary question

:31:25. > :31:27.Time I saw that they said they would raise 1.4 billion, so that is why

:31:28. > :31:30.the resolution foundation and others have said they want to save such a

:31:31. > :31:35.significant sum they will have to go down to the pension credit level, if

:31:36. > :31:38.not please let us know. Because, actually, we want to be working on

:31:39. > :31:42.what they really mean. This is the problem with having an costed

:31:43. > :31:47.manifesto, you send out messages that scare people. We don't, that is

:31:48. > :31:53.the reality. It isn't as the Kaymer with the 10,000,000th ago was

:31:54. > :31:58.resolution foundation. -- it isn't as they came up with the 10,000

:31:59. > :32:01.figure. We have to say to the Conservative Party that politics

:32:02. > :32:05.have moved on and people expect honesty, transparency and openness.

:32:06. > :32:10.That is what we have done this week, we have a fully costed manifesto we

:32:11. > :32:16.expect out of them. I think the guy was to do otherwise credibility is

:32:17. > :32:21.shot. With regard to the last publication, this our game and has

:32:22. > :32:28.been used about hard not to publish this information. I'm sceptical of

:32:29. > :32:31.that. I really am. In the interest of openness and transparency, said

:32:32. > :32:34.people have all the information before the when the go to vote in

:32:35. > :32:35.June the 8th, I think it is important that information is out

:32:36. > :32:56.there. Why do you need the winter fuel

:32:57. > :33:00.allowance and what do you spend it on and secondly, I met a former

:33:01. > :33:04.Labour voter who is deeply concerned about what the proposed Tory

:33:05. > :33:10.proposals are on social care and worried and angry that free school

:33:11. > :33:12.meals for infants is to be taken away but he will almost at me vote

:33:13. > :33:16.for the Conservatives because they say they have no alternative because

:33:17. > :33:25.of Jeremy Corbyn. How does that make you feel? What I say on the latter

:33:26. > :33:29.question, start exploring more. As we drag information had of the

:33:30. > :33:34.Conservative Party, and it is like extracting teeth at the moment. As

:33:35. > :33:39.we drag it out of them, it is more about the consequences of what they

:33:40. > :33:43.are promising. We have laid out our policies and we have tried to draw

:33:44. > :33:49.out the information from them and we have been rising in the polls. It is

:33:50. > :33:54.quite interesting, when we have looked elsewhere, the issue when you

:33:55. > :33:58.mention Jeremy Corbyn, it has no difference whatsoever. We are

:33:59. > :34:02.finding that people are respecting the fact we have a politician in

:34:03. > :34:06.Jeremy Corbyn who is honest and decent and open. We cannot have a

:34:07. > :34:10.situation going into an election where a major political party, like

:34:11. > :34:15.the Conservatives, refused to tell us what they will do in government

:34:16. > :34:20.or cost what they will do in government. They have to come clean

:34:21. > :34:26.now. In regards of the winter fuel allowance, I spend it on winter

:34:27. > :34:29.fuel. I am on an MP's salary, I get taxed and as a result of that, it

:34:30. > :34:34.contributes to the Exchequer and that is the fairest way of doing it.

:34:35. > :34:39.What I don't want, I have campaigned on this for a number of years, I do

:34:40. > :34:46.not want means testing introduced on winter fuel because we know, ask age

:34:47. > :34:52.UK, at least a third do not claim pension credits. If you look at the

:34:53. > :34:58.figures on the costings other means tested benefit against non-means

:34:59. > :35:08.testing, it is staggering. It is a more efficient way of getting the

:35:09. > :35:13.money where it is really needed. On pension credits are you saying that

:35:14. > :35:18.hasn't worked as a way of helping poor pensioners? An idea put in by

:35:19. > :35:26.Labour. Are you saying it hasn't worked? I think it has had. Labour

:35:27. > :35:31.lifted 900,000 pensioners out of poverty. I am just demonstrating how

:35:32. > :35:38.would the difficult means tested benefits are. It is a 19 page form

:35:39. > :35:42.on the website. A third don't get it so if we are linking winter fuel

:35:43. > :35:47.allowance to that as well, we know a number of people will not get winter

:35:48. > :35:51.fuel allowance. The last Labour government was terrific in terms of

:35:52. > :35:55.lifting children and pensioners out of poverty. It has its drawbacks and

:35:56. > :36:00.we should not translate those two banks onto something that means

:36:01. > :36:09.people can heat their homes in winter. 30,000 excess deaths, it

:36:10. > :36:14.doesn't happen in Scandinavian countries, it is about in selecting

:36:15. > :36:17.your home and it is also about energy prices and that is why we are

:36:18. > :36:24.doing stuff around the energy industry as well.

:36:25. > :36:32.You said that the polls are moving in Labour's favour but even though

:36:33. > :36:37.some of your policies are liked, you are still a long way behind, what

:36:38. > :36:41.can we expect from the party in the remaining weeks that you think will

:36:42. > :36:45.change voters minds? And a quick cheeky one, on your poster, how

:36:46. > :36:51.exactly is the person holding the third boxing glove? It is jab jab

:36:52. > :37:02.swing. When I saw it, I thought John

:37:03. > :37:05.Prescott has returned. I am really pleased you said our policies are

:37:06. > :37:18.well liked, could that be a Telegraph headline? Report honestly.

:37:19. > :37:23.You have seen a shift in the polls. I think there is an underlying

:37:24. > :37:28.subterranean move across the country where people are waking up that the

:37:29. > :37:33.election is in a few weeks' time. They are beginning to explore the

:37:34. > :37:37.policies and the real debate has happened now. Now the manifestos are

:37:38. > :37:44.out there, they know what we are about and they know what the Tories

:37:45. > :37:48.are about. Although there is no detail of incremental age and, that

:37:49. > :37:54.is the one thing they cannot say about us. I think the real debate is

:37:55. > :38:00.starting. I just wished that Theresa May would debate with Jeremy Corbyn

:38:01. > :38:06.live on TV. I have challenged Philip Hammond to come and have a debate

:38:07. > :38:11.with me on TV. I wonder if he is the architect of this winter fuel

:38:12. > :38:18.allowance thing. It smacks of Philip Hammond, like the last budget which

:38:19. > :38:32.disappeared after 24 hours. First question, when you say

:38:33. > :38:35.pensioners would be at risk from the removal of the winter fuel

:38:36. > :38:40.allowance, are you saying people will die as a result of Tory policy?

:38:41. > :38:44.In the past, you said you would wade through vomit to prevent cuts to

:38:45. > :38:48.welfare, here we have a Labour manifesto throwing money at students

:38:49. > :38:52.regardless of whether they are wealthy, throwing money at

:38:53. > :38:56.pensioners regardless of if they are wealthy but when it comes to working

:38:57. > :39:01.age benefits, you are not lifting the freeze although you will

:39:02. > :39:06.mitigate it slightly. Why are you no longer going to wade through vomit

:39:07. > :39:11.to help those people? It is not necessary, in the overall costings,

:39:12. > :39:18.we have ?4 billion then, we are scrapping the bedroom tax,

:39:19. > :39:24.implementing the PIP legal ruling. And then ?2 billion for funding

:39:25. > :39:29.universal credit as we start the reform of the system. You will see a

:39:30. > :39:36.reform of the welfare system to ensure we tackle deep problems in

:39:37. > :39:43.our society, particularly with disabled people themselves. We don't

:39:44. > :39:47.need to swim through vomit under a Labour government. You would be

:39:48. > :39:58.walking down a path which ensures we have progress for our country. What

:39:59. > :40:05.I am saying is this, I don't want to be in a situation where people do

:40:06. > :40:08.not get the winter fuel allowance they are getting now and as a

:40:09. > :40:13.result, this winter, they will not be able to afford their heating

:40:14. > :40:18.bills. I do not want our pensioners cold this winter. That is why we

:40:19. > :40:28.introduced the winter fuel allowance. I appeal to the Tories,

:40:29. > :40:37.withdraw it today. This is a bad policy, not costed and in my view,

:40:38. > :40:39.it is extreme concern to anyone who has concerns about elderly people in

:40:40. > :40:58.this country. What do you say to pensioners who

:40:59. > :41:02.remember the IRA bombing of the British mainland in 70s, 80s and 90s

:41:03. > :41:05.who might be concerned about the man who says that because of the bravery

:41:06. > :41:13.of the IRI, people like Bobby Sans, we now have a peace process,

:41:14. > :41:17.becoming Chancellor. I apologise for those words but if you also look at

:41:18. > :41:23.what I said, I said no cause is worth an innocent life. I made that

:41:24. > :41:28.explicitly clear. I also did everything I possibly could to

:41:29. > :41:32.secure the peace process in Northern Ireland. At times, that was

:41:33. > :41:36.contentious of course. We were trying to talk to people who at that

:41:37. > :41:39.point of time, you were condemned the talking but we discovered

:41:40. > :41:44.governments were talking to them anyway. I apologise my language but

:41:45. > :41:51.I have made it clear that everything I did about securing peace and no

:41:52. > :41:58.innocent life lost is worth it. The peace process was the result of a

:41:59. > :42:03.dialogue and if I contributed in any small way, I was pleased to do so. I

:42:04. > :42:09.made it absolutely clear that I have apologised for the language I used.

:42:10. > :42:18.I made it clear then, I did a Guardian article, no cause is worth

:42:19. > :42:21.the loss of an innocent life. This morning you dismissed Len

:42:22. > :42:27.McCluskey's comments that Labour might only get 200 seats on June

:42:28. > :42:33.eight. But the Tory manifesto with a shameless pitch to the centre. It

:42:34. > :42:38.was last night called Labour seat of Halifax. And the regional polls show

:42:39. > :42:44.Labour trailing in Yorkshire and falling down in the northern

:42:45. > :42:49.heartlands, surely you must be concerned about making significant

:42:50. > :42:53.losses in places like Yorkshire and other northern heartlands? I think

:42:54. > :42:57.it is turning rapidly. The more we have the policy debate and the more

:42:58. > :43:00.people see what the Tories are about, like the winter fuel

:43:01. > :43:06.allowance and the triple lock on pensions. Living standards and the

:43:07. > :43:09.burden on ordinary working families. The more the Tories are exposed in

:43:10. > :43:15.that way and you can help us as journalists. The more we expose

:43:16. > :43:21.that, the more people are realising that the threat that there is with

:43:22. > :43:23.Theresa May going back into government. That is why I am

:43:24. > :43:32.confident we will have a Labour government. Can I think you all for

:43:33. > :43:39.your time, it is a real issue that the Tory triple whammy on pensioners

:43:40. > :43:45.is a big issue now in this election campaign. We've got to make sure we

:43:46. > :43:48.fight hard for our pensioners in this country, to maintain their

:43:49. > :43:55.living standards and to make sure they aren't hurt by a future Tory

:43:56. > :43:59.government. Which is why we need to make sure they understand the

:44:00. > :44:20.importance of voting Labour on June eight. Thanks for your time today.

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